| 00:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | so now users bitch and whine at all devels of formerly perfectly working (with ALSA) audio apps, to get PA support into those apps as the ALSA interface ceased to work with contemporary PA based distros |
| 00:02.16 | merlin1991 | is debian pa based? |
| 00:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 00:02.52 | DocScrutinizer | judging by maemo, I'd say yes |
| 00:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | not even Nokia is mad enough to opt in deliberately for PA, esp on an embedded device |
| 00:06.04 | SpeedEvil | I question that. |
| 00:06.24 | SpeedEvil | The software in sseveral aspects doens't seem to have been designed taking an embedded perspective. |
| 00:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'm already asking "who said that?" |
| 00:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's quite obvious. The question is why we got it on maemo nevertheless |
| 00:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what it is that Lennart got to convince everybody to adopt his BS. Sexy? mountains of money to bribe? Brutal? Just unbearable for longer than 5 min? yeah that's it :-P |
| 00:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | I watched a livestream of CCC last xmas, with ~180s of Lennart. I'm sure it's been tha last point that allowed him to push PA into every distro he found |
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| 00:12.20 | mer_ge | my firefox 4.0 doesn't update to 4.0.1 automatically. I use http://moff.mozilla.com/latest-beta/maemo/multi/dists/fremantle/release/binary-armel/ |
| 00:13.23 | mer_ge | what's the right way to install firefox from the latest-beta repo? |
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| 01:01.05 | megomaniak | who in here still has the n900? |
| 01:01.14 | SpeedEvil | Me. |
| 01:01.29 | megomaniak | why? |
| 01:01.33 | SpeedEvil | The vast majority of peeps here I imagine. |
| 01:01.46 | SpeedEvil | megomaniak: Because it's basically the only openish linux phone. |
| 01:02.08 | megomaniak | why is that important? |
| 01:02.08 | SpeedEvil | Also, because I bought one, and it's not died yet, and I like it. |
| 01:02.34 | SpeedEvil | Because I find it useful to me to be able to do some things that are tricky with other phones. |
| 01:02.55 | megomaniak | i bought mine in Dec 2009 and the usb on broke |
| 01:03.03 | SpeedEvil | Where are you? |
| 01:03.21 | megomaniak | right now UK |
| 01:03.32 | SpeedEvil | If it was bought in the EU, it's still under warranty. |
| 01:03.35 | ShadowJK | has two, pessimistic about any other usable phones arriving anytime soon |
| 01:03.51 | SpeedEvil | And you can ebay it once fixed if you don't want it. |
| 01:03.55 | cehteh | what other phone can run emacs? :) |
| 01:04.01 | megomaniak | i called nokia and they basically told me to f-off |
| 01:04.11 | SpeedEvil | megomaniak: Where was the phone bought? |
| 01:04.28 | megomaniak | USofA |
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| 01:04.45 | SpeedEvil | Ah - US warranty sucks. :/ |
| 01:04.59 | megomaniak | SpeedEvil - yes it does |
| 01:05.20 | megomaniak | is the maemo OS dead? |
| 01:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | well, seems SpeedEvil , ShadowJK and me all have 2 |
| 01:05.52 | ShadowJK | In the US, retail stores and chains prefers shorter manufacturer warranties. They make lots of money on selling overpriced insurance, and there's no consumer protection laws regarding expected lifetimes |
| 01:06.36 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Black-Mobile-Phone-32GB-Smartphone-Faulty-/260778280475?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cb798c61b |
| 01:06.45 | SpeedEvil | For example. |
| 01:06.51 | megomaniak | i see |
| 01:06.58 | SpeedEvil | megomaniak: Maemo is dead - long-live meego. Sort-of. |
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| 01:07.13 | pupnik | morning |
| 01:07.13 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:07.18 | megomaniak | yeah but meego is POS |
| 01:07.19 | megomaniak | no? |
| 01:07.34 | megomaniak | nobody interested in it |
| 01:07.38 | SpeedEvil | There has been no(?) meego device. |
| 01:07.49 | SpeedEvil | Nokia has committed to releasing one meego device. |
| 01:07.57 | megomaniak | i heard today that LG device is POS |
| 01:11.06 | pupnik | it will be hard for meego to win me over |
| 01:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe give SHR a try eventually, they just finish call voice audio |
| 01:12.01 | SpeedEvil | SHR would be good. |
| 01:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I bitched enough there |
| 01:12.43 | ShadowJK | wonders where they're at with Nokia's "MeeGo-related device", is LF going to let them call it MeeGo? |
| 01:13.24 | SpeedEvil | Who knows. |
| 01:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | heard rumours of giveaway develdevs on next event |
| 01:14.47 | ShadowJK | What does SHR consist of? |
| 01:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | might be about time, esp since they got no proper schematics review from a professional skeptic scrutinizer |
| 01:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 01:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: how to answer that? |
| 01:17.07 | pupnik | This is the Central Scrutinizer... It is my job to enforce the laws that haven't been passed yet. |
| 01:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | the white zone is for loading and unloading only |
| 01:18.55 | ShadowJK | also heard that rumour that devel devices can't interoperate with Ovi^WNokia Store and other services, and if you do anything remotely interesting straying outside the straighjacket/sandbox your device gets permanently "downgraded" to devel device |
| 01:19.16 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, X, no X, gtk/something else, etx |
| 01:19.18 | ShadowJK | etc |
| 01:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | E, X, FSO, up-to-date kernel |
| 01:20.29 | pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Garage never realized it had so much background to it |
| 01:20.53 | ShadowJK | E? :-) |
| 01:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | enlightenment, edjie, e* whatever |
| 01:21.44 | ShadowJK | yeah it just surprised me |
| 01:22.27 | ShadowJK | tbh I haven't seen enlightenment since 1999 and my P133 32M ram. It was kinda sluggish |
| 01:22.31 | ShadowJK | and excessively pretty |
| 01:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, there has to be a reason Raster was our chief "desktop" developer at OM |
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| 01:24.02 | ShadowJK | he was? |
| 01:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 01:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | was a funny time when we were both at TPE |
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| 01:28.54 | Macer | enlightenment was pretty good back in the day |
| 01:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's not getting worse :-D |
| 01:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | a bit dusty, but still... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=related |
| 01:33.50 | pupnik | "it looks just like a telefunken u-47" |
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| 01:34.36 | ShadowJK | back then all the cool kids used E |
| 01:35.01 | SpeedEvil | Nowadays E is not E, it's been replaced with much nastier drugs, with much worse side-effects. |
| 01:35.06 | SpeedEvil | (though I've not done E) |
| 01:35.32 | ShadowJK | and enlightenment |
| 01:35.32 | ShadowJK | drank coke and ran AfterStep |
| 01:36.17 | pupnik | nice choice |
| 01:36.34 | ShadowJK | :P |
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| 01:37.24 | pupnik | it was so fun to read linux magazin back then |
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| 01:38.04 | pupnik | i was giddy that i could buy it at the gas station |
| 01:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | back in my time Byte was the only magazine you could find in Germany, wit a lot of luck, on the main railway station |
| 01:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | then a new epoch started when I spotted the first c't mag there, right next to Byte |
| 01:41.00 | merlin1991 | when did ix come along? |
| 01:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | omg, laaaater |
| 01:41.23 | Kilroo | Compute's Gazette |
| 01:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
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| 05:23.25 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/16/mono_founders_launch_new_company/ <-- hehe can't keep a zombie down... |
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| 05:46.20 | RST38h | still wants an ability to ignore people on tmo, after all that time |
| 05:46.33 | RST38h | abill_uk is a serious source of background noise |
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| 05:52.29 | RST38h | "Fabrice Bellard, the initiator of the QEMU emulator, wrote a PC emulator in JavaScript. You can now boot Linux in your browser, provided it is recent enough." -- eek |
| 05:53.43 | robbiethe1st | Heh. We'll have Linux taking over everywhere /except/ the desktop. |
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| 05:55.38 | RST38h | "No segment limit and right checks when accessing memory (Linux does not rely on them for memory protection, so it is not an issue. The x86 emulator of QEMU has the same restriction)." |
| 05:55.54 | RST38h | laughs satanically, whispers "wimp!" |
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| 07:10.04 | mensoif | Hi, I have a proble with my n900. |
| 07:10.53 | mensoif | When someone calls me, I often hang up, just by taking my phone out of it's case |
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| 07:12.15 | mensoif | is there a settings that does not unlock the screen when in the case (usin the light sensor) |
| 07:13.02 | mensoif | or a similar workaround? If I have to unlock the phone manually each time, it's not a big issue for me. |
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| 07:15.43 | slonopotamus | mensoif: updated to latest maemo release? it improved situation *a bit* |
| 07:16.01 | mensoif | yes, I even use CSSU |
| 07:16.48 | geaaru | hi, is there a way to turn off keyboard led when r&d mode is enable? thanks in advance |
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| 07:19.37 | cityLights | haha I got a working program with a UI! |
| 07:19.40 | cityLights | YES |
| 07:19.48 | cityLights | so happy, now need to package it |
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| 08:19.54 | Coke | Is someone here kind enough to check this out http://lohmanders.se/test/index.sv.html and tell me if the GIF at the bottom right is displayed properly. |
| 08:21.02 | ruskie | any specific browser you would like to have it tested? |
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| 08:22.40 | Coke | ruskie: the default one on N900 |
| 08:23.04 | ruskie | ahh nope... won't be trying to get that url there... |
| 08:23.15 | Coke | ruskie: I've already concluded that it has some severe bugs, failing on SVG rendering so now I'm checking if the GIF works |
| 08:23.46 | Coke | In my browser the GIF is cut off. |
| 08:23.54 | Coke | Making the default N900 browser even more broken than IE7 |
| 08:23.58 | Coke | (which is quiet a feat in itself) |
| 08:24.19 | ruskie | you sure it's broken? |
| 08:24.39 | Coke | the only other person I know (who has access to an N900) isn't using it anymore so no batts and no charger. |
| 08:24.43 | Coke | ruskie: 99% |
| 08:24.56 | Coke | ruskie: the rendering behavior is irratic and makes no sense. |
| 08:25.48 | ruskie | 'erratic' and it works just fine here |
| 08:25.52 | Coke | ruskie: it does? |
| 08:25.55 | ruskie | yup |
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| 08:26.00 | Coke | you see the full round red gif? |
| 08:26.04 | ruskie | yup |
| 08:26.11 | Coke | what version of the built-in browser do you use? |
| 08:26.13 | ruskie | I opened the page in vimprobable2 as well on my desktop |
| 08:26.20 | ruskie | the page looks the same with to diffs |
| 08:26.33 | Coke | i dont know what vimprobable2 is, I'm talking about the default browser in N900 |
| 08:26.57 | ruskie | yes as am I |
| 08:27.47 | Coke | how do I find out what version my browser is? |
| 08:27.51 | ruskie | 2.9.5-1.23+0m5 |
| 08:27.59 | ruskie | dpkg -l | grep microb |
| 08:28.01 | ruskie | is what I used |
| 08:28.19 | Coke | argh |
| 08:28.24 | Coke | i have no pipe char on this keyboard |
| 08:28.41 | ruskie | 20100401-1.9.2-5.2+0m5 <-- for the microb-engine |
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| 08:29.40 | Coke | ok I have to go through a monster list of installed packages to find it |
| 08:29.47 | ruskie | you don't |
| 08:29.57 | ruskie | since you can get the pipe symbol iirc |
| 08:29.58 | Coke | ok the package is named microb-engine |
| 08:30.02 | Coke | 20100401-1.9.2 |
| 08:30.08 | ruskie | 20100401-1.9.2-5.2+0m5 |
| 08:30.15 | Coke | nothing +-5.2+0m5 |
| 08:30.18 | Coke | where did you get it? |
| 08:30.41 | ruskie | maybe it just got cut off for you since it was a full list |
| 08:30.55 | ruskie | formating and what not... |
| 08:31.30 | ruskie | btw you can get the pipe symbol from the special symbols virtual keyboard |
| 08:31.35 | ruskie | fun+sym key |
| 08:32.35 | Coke | oh great, bash history still doesnt save?? |
| 08:32.44 | ruskie | wouldn't know |
| 08:32.47 | ruskie | I use zsh |
| 08:33.15 | Coke | I'm a bash user |
| 08:33.41 | Coke | it has worked for me since early 90's on every platform, even Windows. maemo is the first platform I don't have proper hsitory in bash |
| 08:34.26 | Coke | apt-get says ive got the latest microb when I try to update it |
| 08:34.38 | ruskie | try dpkg -l | grep microb |
| 08:34.39 | Coke | the GIF is cut off in my browser |
| 08:35.07 | Coke | fun+sym doesnt do anything |
| 08:35.30 | ruskie | erm... |
| 08:35.31 | Coke | (the blue arrow up/right and Sym/ctrl keys) |
| 08:35.34 | ruskie | yup |
| 08:35.39 | Coke | nada |
| 08:35.48 | ruskie | that should display a symbol selection virtual keyboard |
| 08:36.12 | Coke | it doesn't. |
| 08:36.18 | ruskie | atleast when in a terminal or app |
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| 08:36.27 | Coke | im in the x terminal |
| 08:36.39 | robbiethe1st | Press alt(blue arrow), release it, then ctrl. |
| 08:36.52 | Coke | that worked |
| 08:37.03 | Coke | similarly, is there a way to drop out from fullscreen? |
| 08:37.39 | ruskie | bottom right |
| 08:37.43 | Coke | ruskie: yep, same version number as you have |
| 08:37.55 | ruskie | should be an up arrow thingy or something |
| 08:38.16 | Coke | up arrow? |
| 08:38.28 | Coke | 20100401-1.9.2-5.2+0m5 |
| 08:38.30 | ruskie | on the display |
| 08:38.36 | ruskie | for fullscreen |
| 08:38.48 | Coke | no i meant, sometimes apps take over the phone |
| 08:38.51 | Coke | i cant get out of the app |
| 08:38.58 | ruskie | ctrl+backspace |
| 08:39.03 | ruskie | will get you to the app switcher |
| 08:39.09 | Coke | tapping or simultaneously? |
| 08:39.15 | ruskie | simult |
| 08:39.19 | Coke | ok |
| 08:39.20 | Coke | yes. |
| 08:39.32 | Coke | so... my browser seems to be completely bonkers |
| 08:40.35 | ruskie | btw how is it cut off? bottom or right or both??? |
| 08:40.38 | Coke | I've confirmed it to work on FF4, FF3.5, Midori, Safari, iphone, android, IE9 and your N900 |
| 08:40.59 | ruskie | note I don't have flash so if there is any flash content on the site it might cause issues as well |
| 08:41.05 | Coke | no flash |
| 08:41.11 | Coke | except for the GIF I'm using only standards |
| 08:41.17 | ruskie | hmm |
| 08:41.24 | Coke | which sucks bigtime, because the ONLY browser in the world to actually support the standards is Firefox |
| 08:41.33 | ruskie | opera as well iirc |
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| 08:41.38 | Coke | ah, havent tried opera |
| 08:41.55 | Coke | whaddya know. it even has support for SVG smil |
| 08:41.59 | ruskie | the webkit stuff ought to work as well for the most part... |
| 08:42.00 | Coke | So add opera to that list |
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| 08:43.01 | chx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.20 | Coke | ruskie: yeah, i thought that about gecko too, but obviously it doesnt in whatever microb is |
| 08:43.34 | ruskie | microb is gecko |
| 08:43.52 | Coke | can't be |
| 08:43.55 | ruskie | it is |
| 08:44.01 | Coke | so why isn't it rendering properly? |
| 08:44.17 | ruskie | 20100401-1.9.2-5.2+0m5 <-- the version itself is a hint here: 1.9.2 xulrunner version |
| 08:44.39 | ruskie | maybe something is badly configured on your device? maybe some extension for it? |
| 08:45.21 | Coke | you mean browser extensinos? |
| 08:45.26 | ruskie | yup |
| 08:45.30 | ruskie | using wifi or 3g? |
| 08:45.38 | Coke | wifi |
| 08:45.41 | Coke | and 3g |
| 08:45.45 | Coke | right now its in wifi mode |
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| 08:46.00 | ruskie | well with 3g I would assume some cellco proxy somewhere in between mangling crap for no good reason |
| 08:46.04 | Coke | I have Flashblock installed |
| 08:46.10 | ruskie | that could be an issue |
| 08:46.15 | ruskie | or adblock |
| 08:46.20 | Coke | uh, but theres no flash on my page |
| 08:46.37 | Coke | not using adblock |
| 08:46.49 | Coke | besides flashblock i have disabled single sign on and geo location |
| 08:46.56 | ruskie | same here |
| 08:47.02 | ruskie | but I don't run flashblock |
| 08:47.06 | ruskie | simply don't have flash at all |
| 08:47.09 | Coke | ok, uninstalling flashblock |
| 08:47.23 | ruskie | extensions can have adverse effects on rendering |
| 08:47.27 | ruskie | since they hook into there |
| 08:47.57 | Coke | Wow. |
| 08:48.00 | Coke | You were absolutely right. |
| 08:48.22 | Coke | Why the heck would Flashblock even be activated on a page completely void of flash? |
| 08:48.37 | ruskie | it needs to be active to detect if there is anything flashy on the page |
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| 08:48.57 | Coke | ruskie: but after detecting nothing, why bother telling the browser how and what to render? |
| 08:49.13 | Coke | anyway, thanks a lot ruskie |
| 08:49.17 | ruskie | that could be a bug or by design |
| 08:49.26 | Coke | i dont think I would have ever thought that flashblock would mess up GIFs |
| 08:49.28 | ruskie | or it could do stuff with gifs just because it can |
| 08:49.36 | Coke | but why cut the top 1/3 off? |
| 08:49.38 | Coke | makes no sense |
| 08:49.48 | Coke | Im pretty sure this is indeed a bug in flashblock. |
| 08:50.22 | ruskie | personally prefered method to get rid of flash is to just remove it |
| 08:50.32 | Coke | ruskie: mm. I'll consider that. |
| 08:50.40 | ruskie | I haven't found any sites that I need flash for frankly |
| 08:50.47 | Coke | ruskie: I'm an avid youtuber |
| 08:50.52 | ruskie | youtube-dl for watching youtube stuff |
| 08:50.54 | Coke | altho I dont use my phone for anything except a terminal |
| 08:51.12 | Coke | I found that the mail client is suboptimal and the phone is just to laggy and slow for me to feel productive with it. |
| 08:51.30 | Coke | The worst part is: I can't get rid of it. It's the ONLY phone that can do X forwarding which is why I use it for work |
| 08:51.34 | ruskie | I just download a pile of youtube stuff using youtube-dl and then watch it when I have time without bothring about a connection etc... |
| 08:51.43 | Coke | Once this phone breaks I'll be sent back to 1995, no cellphone |
| 08:51.55 | ruskie | for me every mail client outside of alpine is suboptimal |
| 08:52.03 | Coke | ruskie: Im a mutt fan |
| 08:52.07 | ruskie | but ssh helps there to connect to my server |
| 08:52.32 | ruskie | as for phone... I'm planing on getting a second n900... but when those breaks... I want a simple s40 device for calls |
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| 08:53.06 | Coke | s40? |
| 08:53.34 | ruskie | s40... yeah nokia s40 |
| 08:53.36 | Coke | Ah, that one. Yes, there's no phone on the market right now that can actually replace a N900 |
| 08:53.47 | ruskie | I doubt there will ever be one |
| 08:53.52 | Coke | why is the industry and consumers so phukking retarded? |
| 08:54.27 | Coke | I don't really care that the animations and menus are slow on my N900, at the end of the day it's a very small laptop on which I can do everything from writing budget reports to accessing our production system |
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| 08:55.28 | Coke | ruskie: how can S40 replace N900? It's a shitty symbian. |
| 08:55.49 | Coke | Symbian and Winmo are by far the worst creations I have ever had the misfortune of ever having in my target platform list. |
| 08:56.26 | Sicelo_ | s40 is not symbian |
| 08:56.46 | ruskie | Coke, the thing is I don't need a fancy smartphone |
| 08:57.00 | ruskie | for phone I'm happy with a 10 year+ nokia 5110 funcitonality |
| 08:57.04 | Coke | I see. |
| 08:57.13 | Coke | S60 is the symbian based one |
| 08:57.16 | ruskie | yup |
| 08:57.31 | Coke | ruskie: i dont need a smartphone either, but pretty soon thats all youll be able to get |
| 08:57.35 | Sicelo_ | and series 80 & 90, long extinct :P:P |
| 08:57.40 | Coke | ive got one of them really old ericsons at home |
| 08:57.51 | Coke | it nwo has an uptime of some 700 days |
| 08:58.08 | Coke | THAT is the type of quality I expect from software. If it means reducing the number of features, than so be it |
| 08:58.10 | ruskie | I have a bunch of old phones |
| 08:59.20 | ruskie | 5110, 3210, 5140i, n95 |
| 08:59.23 | Coke | Tbh, I only use my phone as a small laptop. The only time and place its used as a phone is in the office |
| 08:59.26 | chx | Series 80???? |
| 08:59.43 | Coke | I wonder if Intel will ever release morestown |
| 08:59.44 | chx | wow |
| 09:00.05 | ruskie | Coke, I hardly use my n900 other than when I'm not @home or @work |
| 09:00.29 | Coke | ruskie: I use it as a remote control to my media station at home |
| 09:00.55 | ruskie | ahh |
| 09:01.06 | ruskie | I'd get n8xx for that |
| 09:01.13 | Coke | what is n8xx ? |
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| 09:02.10 | ruskie | n800 or n810 |
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| 09:02.20 | Coke | ruskie: they can do remote X over SSH too? |
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| 09:03.03 | ruskie | others will have to answer that but I thought they had proper X |
| 09:03.06 | ruskie | afk lunch |
| 09:03.20 | Coke | Might be an alternative. |
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| 09:04.47 | Sicelo_ | yup Coke, nokia 9500 and it's brothers were series 80. 7710 was only series 90 |
| 09:05.36 | Sicelo_ | still uses 9300i series 80 nokia, hoping to get n900 soon |
| 09:07.43 | RST38h | "An Israeli couple inspired by the spawn of Zuckerberg have dubbed their unfortunate daughter "Like", the BBC reports." |
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| 09:22.23 | crashanddie | In other news, the BBC reports that people are still stupid. No cure has been found, other than education; even though this has proven a failure in the past already. |
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| 09:23.59 | ruskie | education does not unstupify people |
| 09:24.03 | Macer | heh |
| 09:24.08 | Macer | sure doesn't |
| 09:24.15 | Macer | i have seen some pretty stupid smart people out there |
| 09:24.25 | ruskie | education has more to do with knowledge |
| 09:24.33 | chx | not. quite. |
| 09:24.47 | khertan | Morning |
| 09:24.47 | Macer | ruskie: education also aids in social interaction |
| 09:24.56 | chx | good education esp at a university has more to do with teaching you how to learn |
| 09:25.10 | crashanddie | Education teaches you to think. Intelligence just makes your thinking process faster, or allows you to see links others might not make immediately. |
| 09:25.10 | ruskie | glad you come from a place where that is true |
| 09:25.13 | Macer | chx: i always figured early education did that |
| 09:25.46 | chx | it's called 'university' because it gives you universal knowledge, a certain... attitude i could say? |
| 09:25.52 | Macer | college seemed more like spitting out something someone said about something |
| 09:26.02 | ruskie | I still don't see how craming a bunch of books into my head and then promptly forgetting them after the exam gives me anything |
| 09:26.03 | chx | it matters less than you'd think whether you get that by studying archeology or programming |
| 09:26.14 | Macer | while having notes on where they said it |
| 09:26.24 | Macer | heh |
| 09:26.51 | RST38h | last ab |
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| 09:29.30 | chem|st | Coke: for your notice... I tried that svg lately in firefox on windows and got to know that it converts it to png instantly |
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| 09:29.44 | Coke | chem|st: really? i had it working in my ff on win |
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| 09:30.06 | chem|st | and your gif is showing fine on microb |
| 09:30.41 | Coke | chem|st: yeah it was an addon for blocking Flash |
| 09:30.44 | Coke | chem|st: it was buggy |
| 09:30.48 | Macer | maemo ftw |
| 09:30.56 | Coke | chem|st: anyway, SVG's work just fine in FF on windows |
| 09:31.08 | Coke | chem|st: if it doesnt for you, I recommend you upgrade to 3.6 or newer |
| 09:31.13 | chem|st | ff on maemo shows too |
| 09:31.16 | Macer | i don't care how old and outdated it gets.. it works with my bt keyboard :) |
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| 09:31.23 | chem|st | Coke: 4.x |
| 09:31.26 | Macer | there's ff for maemo? |
| 09:31.33 | chem|st | Macer: yes |
| 09:31.35 | Coke | chem|st: "shows too" == ? |
| 09:31.40 | Coke | shows the SVG with SMIL animations? |
| 09:31.47 | Macer | it isn't that mobile one that meego is using is it? |
| 09:31.49 | chem|st | gif in ff on maemo |
| 09:31.52 | Macer | i can't remember what it is called |
| 09:31.58 | chem|st | not cut or anything |
| 09:31.59 | Macer | it was horrible |
| 09:32.09 | Coke | chem|st: that is probably because it's SVG animation is disabled, just like on microb |
| 09:32.12 | chem|st | Macer: it is the fennec |
| 09:32.16 | Macer | yeah |
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| 09:32.19 | Coke | chem|st: but FF on windows shouldn't have SVG SMIL disabled. |
| 09:32.19 | Macer | fennec was sooo bad |
| 09:32.30 | Macer | why can't someone make a chromium for maemo :) ? |
| 09:32.33 | chem|st | and the damn sync plugin isnt working since the last upgrade |
| 09:32.36 | Coke | chem|st: perhaps you forgot to build it with smil support |
| 09:32.41 | Macer | tear is webkit right? |
| 09:32.50 | Coke | Macer: why not just have a proper FF build?? |
| 09:32.50 | Macer | meh. webkit is only half of it |
| 09:32.59 | Macer | Coke: because ff is total bloatware |
| 09:33.06 | Macer | it is the non ms alternative to ie |
| 09:33.11 | chem|st | Coke: as I build anything for windows O_o |
| 09:33.28 | Coke | chem|st: well, FF 3.6 and newer do work fine with animations on windows |
| 09:33.41 | Coke | chem|st: so you must have DL'ed a crippled version or maybe not hit refresh? :) |
| 09:34.01 | Coke | I'm looking at a 3.5, it works too |
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| 09:34.38 | chem|st | as I said it converts "your" svg to png (didn't check others) |
| 09:34.51 | Coke | chem|st: it shouldn't convert anything |
| 09:35.02 | chem|st | Coke: I gave it the direct link to the svg |
| 09:35.10 | Coke | http://lohmanders.se/test/images/decor/comp_animation.sv.svg |
| 09:35.24 | chem|st | exactly |
| 09:35.31 | Coke | chem|st: I don't know what to say. I've tried every FF I have for Windows 7, all work fine with SVG's |
| 09:35.46 | Coke | you must have some extension, plugin or setting that disables interactive SVG |
| 09:35.53 | chem|st | I am on xp maybe thats the difference |
| 09:35.56 | Coke | Macer: http://lohmanders.se/test/images/decor/comp_animation.sv.svg |
| 09:36.03 | Coke | chem|st: worked fine on XP too last time I checked. |
| 09:36.21 | Coke | chem|st: besides, why would Mozilla upstream disable animation events for the XP build explicitly? |
| 09:36.24 | Coke | Macer: http://lohmanders.se/test/images/decor/comp_animation.sv.svg |
| 09:36.32 | Coke | Macer: does chromium load and animate this SVG properly? |
| 09:37.16 | chem|st | on 3.6.17 I get that file info data:image/png;base64... |
| 09:37.18 | Coke | Gecko and Webkit both support it. |
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| 09:37.33 | Coke | chem|st: you have some messed up setting. |
| 09:38.05 | Coke | It's either a GIF or an SVG. If it's converted to PNG it's something local to your browser. |
| 09:38.21 | piggz | hmmm, thats new...my rootfs is full / |
| 09:38.24 | piggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.38 | chem|st | piggz: that's new? |
| 09:40.25 | piggz | chem|st: its never been full before, and im in a catch-22 situation, i cant uninstall anything, becuase i need to run dpkg --configure -a first, which cant becuase the filesystem is full |
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| 09:42.19 | chem|st | piggz: just move one of the bigger files away like localizations stuff |
| 09:42.32 | chem|st | piggz: don't forget to symlink! |
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| 09:43.45 | piggz | chem|st: where are they kept? |
| 09:43.57 | piggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.02 | chem|st | one sec |
| 09:44.46 | piggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.54 | piggz | that should do |
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| 09:46.23 | chem|st | there was "one" file about 24MB somewhere... |
| 09:46.56 | SpeedEvil | find / -mount -size +1000000 |
| 09:49.31 | chem|st | piggz: /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 09:50.06 | chem|st | ~20MB |
| 09:50.09 | piggz | chem|st: ta |
| 09:52.18 | piggz | chem|st: i found the culprit...i had installed libqtm-11-* .... which included all the -dbg packages :) |
| 09:52.29 | piggz | now have 65mb free on / |
| 09:52.42 | chem|st | ouch |
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| 10:04.46 | chem|st | ~facepalm |
| 10:04.46 | infobot | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
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| 10:05.24 | chem|st | now I see an animated graphics on his site... it is 4 pngs in a svg container |
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| 10:08.00 | auenf | 4 png's in a svg container sounds like a poor mans mng |
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| 10:09.17 | piggz | hmmm, why does the N900_PORTRAIT_SENSORS hack not seem to work |
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| 10:11.01 | chem|st | auenf: he is already considered "noob" |
| 10:11.37 | chem|st | and spirit is again messing up! the whole device gets unresponsive when logged on to skype |
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| 10:17.39 | pupnik | RST38h: jim rogers named his daughter 'happy' |
| 10:19.31 | piggz | is anyone familiar with the N900_PORTRAIT_SENSORS hack ? |
| 10:19.38 | piggz | sorry, wrong chanel |
| 10:19.46 | piggz | meant to be #qt :) |
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| 10:33.03 | cehteh | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/17/0242244/Boot-Linux-In-Your-Browser ... works in fennec! :P |
| 10:37.19 | robbiethe1st | Hm... can we boot Linux inside of Linux booted inside of Linux inside our browser> |
| 10:37.50 | cehteh | not yet :P |
| 10:38.19 | cehteh | the emulator has only serial console output (connected to a terminal in the browser) |
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| 10:38.50 | cehteh | well links2 once had a javascript engine .. but they removed it because it was too buggy |
| 10:38.59 | SpeedEvil | Fabrice Bellard is _so_ awesome. |
| 10:39.13 | cehteh | if someone get a browser with javascript working on that :) |
| 10:42.33 | robbiethe1st | Now, if only it worked in Firefox... I get "Invalid arguement on line 9" |
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| 10:43.26 | pupnik | why SpeedEvil |
| 10:43.55 | pupnik | oh nm |
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| 10:53.20 | ruskie | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/17/0242244/Boot-Linux-In-Your-Browser |
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| 10:57.47 | Venemo | good afternoon guys |
| 10:57.55 | pupnik | hi |
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| 11:04.33 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 11:04.37 | MohammadAG | my LED is blinking red |
| 11:04.47 | MohammadAG | (PatternError) |
| 11:04.52 | Venemo | MohammadAG, that is the 'error' pattern by default |
| 11:05.21 | chem|st | never got this apart from camera "on" |
| 11:05.25 | MohammadAG | yes, I know, but why |
| 11:05.38 | chem|st | syslog? |
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| 11:06.13 | MohammadAG | what's [46218.779052] in normal time formats? |
| 11:06.20 | MohammadAG | chem|st, that's a steady red, not blinking |
| 11:07.39 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 11:07.54 | MohammadAG | I was browsing repos yesterday and installed lowbatled |
| 11:08.11 | MohammadAG | of all patterns, it uses the error one to indicate battery low |
| 11:08.29 | Venemo | heheheh |
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| 11:14.40 | chem|st | lol |
| 11:16.12 | lcuk | MohammadAG, that is seconds from bootup isn't it? |
| 11:16.48 | chem|st | is sipwitch integrating with the phone software or standalone? |
| 11:18.23 | chem|st | how do I reset my battery to proper readings? |
| 11:19.07 | MohammadAG | lcuk, no idea, SpeedEvil mentioned something about kernel times last week iirc |
| 11:19.11 | chem|st | it sais 19 cycles since learning but CI is still 1 |
| 11:19.16 | MohammadAG | though I can't seem to remember that |
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| 11:20.54 | ShadowJK | With bme: run from fully charged until shutdown. 4 times. With luck, it'll work. |
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| 11:22.43 | chem|st | is there anything to replace that piece of sh|t yet? |
| 11:23.20 | ShadowJK | Without bme: run from fully charged running "./bq27200.sh 5" constantly until EDV1 column becomes 1. Careful, there's only a minute or so between EDV1 and hard shutdown, which is extremely risky and might damage or corrupt the emmc, onenand and microsd. |
| 11:23.56 | ruskie | yay use more battery to report that the battery is low ;) |
| 11:24.11 | ShadowJK | Repeat 3 times or so |
| 11:24.18 | ruskie | gah I hate when I'm scrolled up |
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| 11:33.47 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/Pw136.gif you might know this pic ... i found the source .. enjoy (ntsfw) |
| 11:34.35 | Corsac | pupnik... |
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| 11:35.24 | pupnik | ever research computer graphics Corsac |
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| 11:36.30 | Corsac | pupnik: I think everyone knowing Lenna knows the source |
| 11:36.46 | pupnik | i didn't |
| 11:36.55 | pupnik | http://imgur.com/gallery/BkdrN nice aquarium |
| 11:36.58 | merlin1991 | didn't either |
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| 11:38.42 | pupnik | What British people say vs what the rest of the world hears http://imgur.com/gallery/lHPEn |
| 11:39.16 | merlin1991 | lmao |
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| 11:40.29 | ruskie | pupnik, well my vocab apparently is closer to british than rest of the world |
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| 11:42.50 | pupnik | funny to me how out of balance the picture looks when the crop is different |
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| 11:53.27 | chem|st | finally someone made use of it... http://imgur.com/gallery/wD3cT |
| 11:55.26 | vldcnst | chem|st: indeed, excellent |
| 11:57.44 | Macer | hm. is there a way to print directly in maemo? |
| 11:57.53 | Macer | i think the limitation would be abiword wouldn't it? |
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| 11:59.32 | Macer | i could do it from easydeb but that would be lame :) |
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| 12:00.39 | BCMM | Macer: there's an app in extras that prints |
| 12:00.57 | Macer | really? which one? |
| 12:01.02 | BCMM | Macer: it works by ssh'ing to a machine with a CUPS server though |
| 12:01.07 | Macer | oh |
| 12:01.15 | BCMM | did you want to use a USB printer with HEN? |
| 12:01.15 | Macer | i guess that would be kind of cool too |
| 12:01.22 | Macer | no ... networked printer |
| 12:01.29 | Macer | but the printer is independent |
| 12:01.41 | Macer | i doubt it has a way to ssh to it :) |
| 12:01.53 | Macer | although i suppose i can set up cups on something in order to do it |
| 12:02.02 | BCMM | yeah, you'd need to run a cups server somewhere |
| 12:02.07 | BCMM | assuming there is a cups driver for it |
| 12:02.18 | Macer | there is for the printer. i'm using kde to print to it |
| 12:02.29 | Macer | it's an older brother hl |
| 12:02.44 | Macer | awesome printer for how much i paid for it when it was new :) only b/w but that's all i really need |
| 12:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | I seen cups for fremantle |
| 12:03.09 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: well in 2025 when meego for n900 is done maybe i'll try it :) |
| 12:04.27 | Macer | although i do believe i'll look into the ssh printing option. not sure how it works tho.. a ps converter then send it to an ssh tunnel to the cups server? |
| 12:04.47 | Macer | that would actually be kind of cool to print while on the road and come home and grab what i printed :) |
| 12:05.08 | Macer | and a little safer than opening an unprotected cups port on the router |
| 12:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: haha .oO(???) |
| 12:05.21 | Macer | huh? |
| 12:05.58 | Macer | i'm a firm oo user :) abiword is great tho for a portable word processor |
| 12:06.18 | Macer | i used it last night to make a whole report using my su8w that i finally got working flawlessly |
| 12:06.37 | Macer | it's like a laptop in the pocket.. it's wonderful. if it could print on its own then it would be perfect |
| 12:07.05 | Macer | i actually don't care that maemo won't ever get updated anymore.. maybe there are still a few devs out there that will support it since it is rather n900 specific |
| 12:07.21 | Macer | i don't really see the kernel needing anything more .. the hardware works :) |
| 12:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | there IS CUPS for maemo!!! |
| 12:07.38 | Macer | oh yeah? |
| 12:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | so WTF shouldn't it be able to print like a laptop? |
| 12:08.09 | Venemo | sure, I have a cup too, although I couldn't say for certain that it is "for maemo". |
| 12:08.16 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: well.. for one.. i don't think there are any good apps that have a printing option or have been built against cups |
| 12:08.41 | Macer | at least abiword doesn't which is probably the only word processor worth using |
| 12:08.52 | Macer | nor gnumeric which seems to be the only good spreadsheet app worth using |
| 12:09.40 | Macer | if the ssh printing/cups option works by choosing a file to print that will work :) |
| 12:10.07 | Macer | but right now i have to finish proofing the report i did last night so i don't have time to tinker.. i'm happy enough that my su8w is working. i haven't used my G2 in 2 days haha |
| 12:10.10 | Macer | n900 ftw |
| 12:10.23 | Macer | it just found new life |
| 12:10.32 | Macer | to think i was about to ebay it too :) |
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| 12:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | apt-cache show cups-bsd - fool |
| 12:20.50 | merlin1991 | Macer: abiword has 3 missing images for me :D |
| 12:21.39 | merlin1991 | in the main ui the ones for bold / underlined / italic |
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| 12:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | >>.. has its own filtering driver model for handling various document types.<< >>This package provides the BSD commands for interacting with CUPS.<< |
| 12:22.27 | Venemo | why BSD? |
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| 12:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | legacy? |
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| 12:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. because OSX is also based on BSD? |
| 12:26.42 | Venemo | wtf cares about OSX? |
| 12:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | cups been a child of apple |
| 12:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | for quite some time |
| 12:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if still |
| 12:27.25 | ruskie | sure it is |
| 12:27.42 | ruskie | it actually has some nice ideas... though as with all printing subsystems... it's a hack upon hack |
| 12:28.19 | pupnik | it got a lot easier to configure a couple years ago, following a complaint by... alan cox i think |
| 12:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | the point is: if your app can not print, then you need to export your document to some semi-popular format like pdf, ps2, txt, whatever, and feed this to cups directly |
| 12:29.19 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: hehe |
| 12:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | >>.. has its own filtering driver model for handling various document types.<< |
| 12:30.16 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i'll lookinto it |
| 12:30.21 | ruskie | has a dot matrix printer he can just do cat plaintext.txt > /dev/lp0 -> prints it |
| 12:30.31 | Macer | wow.. dot matrix :) |
| 12:30.34 | Macer | how nostalgic |
| 12:30.49 | Macer | back in the carbon copy era haha |
| 12:30.52 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, ah, I understand |
| 12:31.42 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i never did an apt-cache search for cups |
| 12:31.45 | Macer | wow |
| 12:31.54 | pupnik | i had a typewriter with serial interface |
| 12:32.02 | Macer | cups-common |
| 12:32.03 | pupnik | i could cat files to it |
| 12:32.05 | Macer | :) |
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| 12:32.18 | Macer | and there is a cups-client as well |
| 12:32.37 | pupnik | there was something awesome about the sound of an electric typewriter pecking-out your reports |
| 12:32.51 | ruskie | Macer, well it works even got new tapes for it |
| 12:32.51 | Macer | pupnik: hahaha |
| 12:32.58 | ruskie | just need to set it up sometime |
| 12:33.00 | psycho_oreos | a busy typist |
| 12:33.06 | Macer | ruskie: oh i'm sure it does. those things are tanks :) |
| 12:33.08 | ruskie | I need to reorganize my space for taht |
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| 12:33.26 | ruskie | even have some of that infinite paper for it |
| 12:33.27 | pupnik | i also miss the fizz sound of a dot-matrix |
| 12:33.37 | pupnik | fizzbt fizzbt fizzzzzzzzbt fizbt |
| 12:33.38 | Macer | pupnik: that noise would drive me crazy |
| 12:33.46 | Macer | like scratching a chalk board |
| 12:33.51 | ruskie | I have 2 printers that are currently not in use... a hp laserjet 4l and that dot matrix |
| 12:33.52 | pupnik | yeah but it sounded like work was being done |
| 12:34.14 | ruskie | need to find them room and possibly print servers |
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| 12:35.51 | ruskie | of course now-a-days you enter a computer store and say I need a parallel/lpt port cable with a centronix connector... all the y'ng ones with not even any hair on their chins will just stare wide-eyed at you |
| 12:36.14 | ruskie | or even a centronix print server |
| 12:36.25 | trx | haha |
| 12:36.29 | trx | true |
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| 12:39.15 | ruskie | and apparently they lack a definition of "good hardware" |
| 12:39.56 | ruskie | is this plasticky switch any good since it's the only one you have on offer... erm ow yeah no probs at all... has been chugging along for the past year... |
| 12:40.19 | ruskie | hook up... ok works... pass 9 months... part of the network stops working |
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| 12:43.57 | chem|st | Macer: post network printers speak postscript or any common language and you can send files in that format to them without queue if the ram of the printer is huge enough |
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| 12:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | glares at his hp lj-p1505 |
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| 12:58.22 | Macer | chem|st: heh. well. i will dick around with getting maemo to print tomorrow. too much to do now. |
| 12:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | just amazing it works at all under linux |
| 12:58.41 | Macer | like i said.. i was happy enough i was able to use my su8w like an actual keyboard |
| 12:58.47 | Macer | i typed up a huge report all on my n900 :) |
| 12:59.07 | Macer | i haven't had a need for gnumeric tho.. i'm glad both apps save as od? |
| 12:59.40 | Macer | well. actually both apps save as pretty much anything :) they're aweswome for a portable office suite |
| 12:59.56 | Macer | at the very least better than anything android has atm |
| 13:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | spell: andridiot |
| 13:01.24 | pupnik | http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/ listen to music via RF from your CRT monitor |
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| 13:01.54 | Macer | maybe but at least the hardware manufacturers for android phones seem a lot more open with getting their hardware to work with the community than nokia has ever been |
| 13:03.25 | Macer | i've never heard cyanogen saying "we can't get the camera going after 3 years because htc..." |
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| 13:07.17 | SpeedEvil | Aren't android 'ROMs largely simply reusing the original - not OS - apps without proper licencing? |
| 13:07.42 | Macer | who cares.. it works and they're not getting sued over it :) |
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| 13:08.17 | Macer | companies probably just turn a blind eye to it because it draws people to their phones.. google turns a blind eye because they advance android and draw more people to them.. it's win win |
| 13:08.22 | Macer | a concept nokia never understood |
| 13:09.24 | Macer | i've rooted and installed cyanogen on friends' G1s and G2s and they love it.. later they come with someone else asking me to do the same |
| 13:10.11 | Macer | and people are wondering why android is taking over the world.. because they are simply doing it right. they're starting to crush iphones |
| 13:10.34 | Macer | nokia is on its way out sooner or later after this ms disaster |
| 13:10.54 | Macer | palm is a joke |
| 13:11.17 | Macer | symbian might have a chance on the $5 prepay phones that can't do shit |
| 13:11.21 | pupnik | no repositories |
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| 13:13.14 | Macer | cyanogen probably added another year to my G1 :) since TMob saw no need to actually put out updates in a timely fashion. Wow did android suck when it first came out.. but look at how far it has coome.. you can use the dev argument about dalvik this and that... no xorg.. blahblah.. but it works and that's what is important. and has apps and features people actually want |
| 13:13.44 | pupnik | google momentum |
| 13:14.00 | pupnik | if nokia had pushed maemo big, they would have had nokia momentum |
| 13:14.04 | pupnik | 2007-2008 |
| 13:14.05 | Macer | pupnik: maybe. but google makes things people want too |
| 13:14.11 | Macer | pupnik: that's hindsight |
| 13:14.18 | pupnik | that was my foresight |
| 13:14.19 | Macer | of course they could have |
| 13:14.27 | Macer | but they dropped the ball and are now out of the game |
| 13:14.34 | pupnik | they were early |
| 13:14.34 | chem|st | Macer: nokia is aware of further loss of at least 15% marketshare for smartphones due to transitional gaps, they still remain leading supplier of mobile devices |
| 13:14.56 | Macer | chem|st: heh. that gap is going to grow |
| 13:15.24 | chem|st | Macer: yeah it is a realy dumb idea to dodge maemo and "wait" for wp7 |
| 13:15.30 | Macer | only thing keeping nokia alive are its cheap phones that they sell to india indians |
| 13:15.59 | Macer | chem|st: it sure was. if they put their full weight behind maemo and dropped symbian when they had a chance then maemo would be doing amazing things |
| 13:16.10 | Macer | not to mention their half assed "community support" which was just for marketing |
| 13:16.18 | chem|st | actualy I'd like to see wp7 for enterprise solutions and maemo/meego for all other smartphones and keep symbian for the lowcost devices |
| 13:16.41 | Macer | chem|st: symbian has to go to the low cost devices.. nobody wants it anymore |
| 13:16.51 | Macer | it is pretty much a worthless throw away os |
| 13:17.04 | chem|st | Macer: it is not a matter of want it is a matter of price |
| 13:17.16 | Macer | demand drives price |
| 13:17.37 | chem|st | still symbian is one of the best enterprise solutions I know which do not need extra servers for everything |
| 13:17.56 | Macer | i would have thought the blackberry stuff was better |
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| 13:18.15 | Macer | which is why i am sure blackberries still own the cooperate world :) |
| 13:18.21 | chem|st | enterprise solutions do not need to do fancy they need to work, safe, secure and reliable |
| 13:18.35 | chem|st | Macer: yes |
| 13:18.50 | Macer | most people don't think "secure" when they think windows |
| 13:19.20 | Macer | be it because of their market share of PCs runnign windows.. but windows is always the one which is attacked the most and also the easiest to do it to |
| 13:19.40 | chem|st | but still companies like Daimler let their emps choose between a blackberry and a nokia for the sole reason to have not "only" one supplier at hand |
| 13:20.18 | pupnik | robustness has gotten more attention since the japan quakes |
| 13:20.33 | Macer | pupnik: the word? :) |
| 13:20.39 | chem|st | huge companies cycle suppliers over time to keep the market running (at least the intelligent systems) |
| 13:20.45 | Macer | i am kind of sick of hearing "cloud" myself |
| 13:20.49 | pupnik | Macer: alternatives |
| 13:21.20 | pupnik | Macer: in designing systems and outsourcing solutions, you can optimise but sometimes that optimisation leads to fragility |
| 13:21.58 | chem|st | all my closer friends move back to "phone just phone" but for the dirty bit, waterproof >2m for 30mins, dustproof et al |
| 13:22.15 | chem|st | no more fancy stuff |
| 13:22.37 | Macer | heh. i have a g1 g2 and n900.. just because the su8w started to work with my n900.. i almost see no moe need for the g2 |
| 13:22.53 | Macer | android is pretty ... but maemo just found a special place in my heart again |
| 13:22.57 | chem|st | and for sure as soon as I get a UMPC as light and durable as the n900 I dodge the smartphone market again |
| 13:23.01 | Macer | and the n900 has actually turned into a sensible office solution |
| 13:23.11 | chem|st | true |
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| 13:23.42 | Macer | if maemo concentrated on things like bt keyboards and printing when it first came out.. it would be leading the pack :) |
| 13:23.44 | chem|st | I thought of buying one or two in spare account just to have untouched hardware for the next years before they stop selling it |
| 13:23.52 | Macer | especially considering the powerful linux based apps it can run |
| 13:24.18 | Macer | nothing beats abiword in android.. and i've tried them all heh |
| 13:24.32 | pupnik | maybe meego device will be a phone |
| 13:24.37 | Macer | but then again i'm a big kde4 fan so maybe it's just me :) |
| 13:24.53 | Macer | pupnik: i am incredibly skeptical about meego.. nokia turned meego into sega |
| 13:25.13 | chem|st | just recently "no you are not... damn you are... freak... to keep the list short... how good is it with the coffeemaker?" |
| 13:25.22 | Macer | abandon this for that.. then abandon this for that.. and so on and so forth until nobody wants it because it will be abandoned again |
| 13:25.36 | Macer | as they proved with maemo |
| 13:25.53 | Macer | and i can't think of any other manufacturer who will pick up meego as their os |
| 13:26.04 | Macer | intel will probably release some pad that will fail |
| 13:26.28 | chem|st | Macer: meego is already on a productive device |
| 13:26.37 | chem|st | I mean "sold" with |
| 13:27.47 | chem|st | Macer: http://wetab.mobi/en/product/ |
| 13:29.38 | chem|st | damn I need to nice things like tar and stuff by default... |
| 13:29.49 | chem|st | music stopped again :\ |
| 13:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | (meego)-> [2011-05-17 13:29:21] <kjokinie> alterego: about uptime.. I haven't run measurements lately, though jhnikula made couple of patches to fix the audio parts, we should be in the ballpark of 15mA consumption when idling currently... battery is 1320mAh, you can do the math yourself :) |
| 13:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-17 13:30:26] <kjokinie> alterego: that's still almost 3 times the maemo consumption |
| 13:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-17 13:31:24] <kimju> I'm seeing quite a lot cpu activity, we are not staying idle that much |
| 13:31.48 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: idle wifi logged in with a few accounts gives 20mA^^ |
| 13:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-17 13:37:02] <kimju> and another issue is that sometimes the device stays "idling" around ~65mA level. no idea about what is causing that |
| 13:33.16 | Macer | :) |
| 13:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | </quote> and that's not going to change any time soon for meego-arm, as they rely on a general-purpose upstream kernel and middleware that's written by guys ignorant of the particular needs of an embedded device |
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| 13:34.28 | Macer | meego uses fennec by default. that should say it all right there :) |
| 13:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | so better don't hold your breath for a *proper* true meego based phone |
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| 13:37.39 | Macer | chem|st: "based on meego" that would make me nervous to buy one right there |
| 13:37.42 | GAN900 | Another dual-core Android monster phone. |
| 13:37.45 | Macer | wonder how much they sell them for |
| 13:37.50 | GAN900 | N950 better kick ass. |
| 13:38.01 | edheldil | Macer: 500e |
| 13:38.20 | Macer | edheldil: ah. so judging by the Greece problems.. $20US? |
| 13:38.26 | Macer | :) jk |
| 13:39.08 | DocScrutinizer | judging by the US deficit, probably around 1500USD |
| 13:39.13 | Macer | euro banks are better at bailing countries out than our treasury dept.. when they're not off raping maids and what not |
| 13:39.26 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: the european deficit is probably just as much ;) |
| 13:39.39 | edheldil | Macer: heard about immininet US bankrupcy on TV, so I would not be as impertinent ;-) |
| 13:39.47 | GAN900 | Hooray for collectivist assholes. |
| 13:39.54 | Macer | edheldil: it's ok.. we have tanks :) |
| 13:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | well, EU hastn't received a credibility warning of a top notch rating agency yet |
| 13:40.18 | Macer | "yet" |
| 13:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | so what, USA actually has |
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| 13:40.44 | Macer | hahaha.. fair enough :) |
| 13:40.57 | Macer | $US is still gaining on the euro every day |
| 13:41.05 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, as your politicians seems more agressively collectivist across the board, I don't think it'll take too long. :P |
| 13:41.18 | Macer | only thing slowing it down is europe.. talk about chicken and the egg |
| 13:41.28 | Macer | too many EU investments here |
| 13:41.38 | Macer | free trade in a nutshell i suppose |
| 13:41.46 | Macer | at least we dragged everybody down with our housing market :) |
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| 13:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 13:42.21 | Macer | you don't think we love free trade because of the profits do you? it's really just to make sure when we go we take everybody else with us |
| 13:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | and it's actually harder to get 37 credit cards each holding debit, in random EU country |
| 13:42.34 | GAN900 | Macer, this situation has very little to do with free trade. ;) |
| 13:42.53 | Macer | GAN900: :) the situation here does. |
| 13:43.16 | GAN900 | More like protectionism, government-sponsored credit overextension, out-of-control entitlement spending, corporatism, etc. |
| 13:43.20 | chem|st | OPEC already dropped $ out of their funds cycle, now its EUR YEN and their own currency |
| 13:43.34 | GAN900 | None of those have anything to do with the free market or capitalism. |
| 13:43.51 | pupnik | the latter word gets used to mean different things |
| 13:43.52 | chem|st | mexico sold all their $ balances |
| 13:43.52 | GAN900 | Since what we practice in the US bears only a passing resemblance. |
| 13:44.13 | Macer | so just piss poor world wide government fiscal irresponsibility? |
| 13:44.33 | Macer | chem|st: how do you know that isn't the grand plan? :) |
| 13:44.53 | GAN900 | Macer, that's a big part of it, but there's also the nasty corporate cronyism between politicians and monopolists. |
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| 13:45.19 | Macer | tell the nasdaq to reduce the rating.. drop the value.. buy it back incredibly cheap... then await the housing market return and sell AIG at a huge gain eliminating the debt |
| 13:45.55 | GAN900 | Also: stop paying people just for getting old. |
| 13:46.09 | Macer | well. :) |
| 13:46.19 | Macer | social security is more so a mess because it was the cookie jar |
| 13:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | funds bartertown |
| 13:46.33 | Macer | not to mention people are paid more than they put in which was not its intent |
| 13:46.39 | Macer | but old people vote so they get what they want :) |
| 13:47.11 | GAN900 | Ponzi scheme |
| 13:47.19 | Macer | sure is |
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| 13:47.26 | Macer | worst one ever made :) |
| 13:47.29 | pupnik | wb wazd |
| 13:47.35 | Macer | had good intentions tho |
| 13:47.53 | GAN900 | The road to hell and whatnot. |
| 13:47.53 | pupnik | so did pol pot |
| 13:48.04 | GAN900 | Collectivism just doesn't get you anywhere. |
| 13:48.27 | GAN900 | And, frankly, I don't think it ever had good intentiond. |
| 13:48.30 | pupnik | what youtube viewer do you use on n900? |
| 13:48.33 | GAN900 | It's always about control. |
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| 13:48.44 | GAN900 | Quieting the discontented masses. |
| 13:48.48 | GAN900 | MicroB |
| 13:49.01 | chem|st | Macer: grandplan? the us is actualy bankrupt |
| 13:49.13 | pupnik | GAN900: i'd prefer not using the flah vm |
| 13:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: now you begin to see why I refuse to own a credit card |
| 13:49.26 | pupnik | chem|st: and germany isn't? |
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| 13:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: definitely not yet |
| 13:49.53 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, because collectivists want to bribe everybody into believing they're not evil? |
| 13:50.05 | BCMM | talking of youtube, are there any hardware-accelerated HTML5 <video> implementation for the n900? |
| 13:50.11 | GAN900 | There's nothing wrong with reasonable credit |
| 13:50.11 | chem|st | pupnik: as long as you get deposit your at least save |
| 13:50.14 | BCMM | i mean, the hardware ought to be capable of it |
| 13:50.24 | GAN900 | Only way to grow an economy with any sort of speed. |
| 13:51.13 | pupnik | BCMM: there's .flv player (mplayer) that does the job much better than flash |
| 13:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | bartertown is the future |
| 13:51.34 | BCMM | pupnik: most stuff does most stuff better than flash :) |
| 13:51.34 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I run bartertown |
| 13:51.45 | nid0 | I fail to see how my credit card is in any way evil :\ |
| 13:51.53 | chem|st | can we please get rid of flash and java?! |
| 13:51.54 | BCMM | but mplayer still isn't hardware-accelerated, is it? |
| 13:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I'll call you Turner |
| 13:52.28 | pupnik | barter is not the future, it's the deep past |
| 13:52.32 | BCMM | but yeah, even on my desktop i typically watch youtube in mplayer |
| 13:52.47 | pupnik | correct BCMM |
| 13:52.56 | BCMM | i have a short script that uses youtube-dl to get the URL, then plays it in mplayer |
| 13:53.20 | pupnik | there's also a youtube-shell that will let you search and launch youtubes from command line |
| 13:53.28 | BCMM | there ought to be a firefox extension to replace youtube vids with an mplayer-starting button |
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| 13:54.18 | pupnik | or a *anything* starting button |
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| 13:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: see? history running in circles |
| 13:55.26 | pupnik | raise the transaction costs too high and civilization collapses into a new dark age |
| 13:55.54 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: Masterblaster please |
| 13:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: clubs are weapons of the deep past as well, still Einstein said he doesn't know about WW3, but he's sure clubs are the weapons of WW4 |
| 13:56.30 | nid0 | except he misspoke |
| 13:56.52 | nid0 | there'll still be someone somewhere with a gun for ww4, and he'll beat the clubs hands-down |
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| 13:58.30 | chem|st | what is the definition of WW3? Terrorist VS western hemisphere sounds pretty much like WW3 |
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| 13:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: that might be true for guns and clubs (though I doubt), but it doesn't apply to power of money and stock market speculations in the financial war. Bartering won't simply care about little papers with funny printings on them, no matter how much of then anybody got |
| 13:59.44 | nid0 | well, until that day comes along, im perfectly happy with the convenience of swiping my shiny little bit of plastic to pay for things :) |
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| 14:00.49 | chem|st | nid0: worst case, this year already... some huge countries are walking the razoredge already |
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| 14:02.26 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yes, fiat currency is ridiculous. |
| 14:02.36 | GAN900 | Doesn't mean barter is a viable alternative. |
| 14:02.49 | GAN900 | What you're actually looking for is the gold standard. :P |
| 14:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | sure, never claimed that |
| 14:03.35 | DocScrutinizer | just playing one of my sarcastic fatalistic jokes on our modern world |
| 14:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | not all of a joke, when you look at Greece getting economy-bombed back to ~1920 |
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| 14:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | next: Ireland, Portugal, USA, the world |
| 14:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 14:06.43 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | thought we got alpha for that |
| 14:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | compositing isn't a bluebox |
| 14:07.52 | pupnik | it means that your text is unreadable |
| 14:08.10 | pupnik | it's the wrong solution |
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| 14:08.43 | pupnik | thwaps linux kids with Foley & Van Damme |
| 14:09.18 | Macer | word |
| 14:09.25 | Macer | damn sshguard |
| 14:09.38 | Macer | :) i didn't whitelist my local subnet |
| 14:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
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| 14:13.41 | Macer | love west wing |
| 14:13.53 | Macer | best damn thing martin sheen was ever in |
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| 14:24.13 | ShadowJK | http://bellard.org/jslinux |
| 14:24.25 | ShadowJK | ultimate madness: running that in fennec on n900 |
| 14:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 14:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | please don't tell me some fool implemented the kernel in js |
| 14:25.03 | Macer | haha |
| 14:25.08 | Macer | yup |
| 14:25.16 | jaska | its just x86 emu |
| 14:25.25 | Macer | no chromium for maemo? |
| 14:25.32 | ShadowJK | It's qemu implemented in js |
| 14:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | PFFFF |
| 14:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.14 | ShadowJK | 2.5 minutes: kernel booted, init starting |
| 14:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | <YAAAWN> |
| 14:26.37 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: yah.. me too hahaha |
| 14:26.41 | Macer | old microb |
| 14:26.51 | ShadowJK | oh hey I have a prompt |
| 14:26.56 | Macer | is microb even being developed anymore? |
| 14:26.57 | ShadowJK | is running it in fennec |
| 14:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | I couldn't think of anything more useless atm - maybe that changes on my next booze |
| 14:28.24 | ShadowJK | I'm surprised this boots on n900 at all |
| 14:28.31 | ShadowJK | in a time less than the expected age of the universe |
| 14:29.10 | Macer | haha |
| 14:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | meh, you don't assume this to be some serious thing |
| 14:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | you do? |
| 14:30.03 | ShadowJK | fabrice always does crazy tech demos |
| 14:30.19 | ShadowJK | like the tcc compile+boot kernel in 8 secs |
| 14:30.35 | mece | jacekowski, ping |
| 14:31.04 | ShadowJK | or producing valid DVB-T signal by drawing the right patterns of pixels to framebuffer |
| 14:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | o,O |
| 14:32.01 | ShadowJK | only in the VHF band, but still :) |
| 14:32.40 | pupnik | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/16/android_impersonation_attacks/ 99% of Android phones leak secret account credentials anyone miss this? |
| 14:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | andridiot, meh. who cares |
| 14:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | as if I had expected anything different - of course each andridiot system is leaking all info to google |
| 14:34.47 | mece | pupnik, #obvious |
| 14:35.20 | mece | pupnik, although I always enjoy spreading dirt on google, so thanks for the link :) |
| 14:36.16 | mece | speaking of evil, I mean google, has anyone tried to compile chromium 11 for maemo? |
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| 14:36.43 | pupnik | hahah |
| 14:36.51 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 14:36.51 | pupnik | how many GB source does it require |
| 14:38.20 | pupnik | Well done Google, authentication tokens over plain HTTP, top marks for stupidity. |
| 14:39.54 | ShadowJK | I recently saw someone's hotmail account taken over for exact same reason |
| 14:40.45 | ShadowJK | apparently https is "optional" and you have to go into settings (and there are like 5 different settings links, taking you to different subsets of settings with no apparent pattern) |
| 14:40.51 | ShadowJK | and enable https |
| 14:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | hexavalent chromium (Cr(VI) or Cr6+) is very toxic and mutagenic |
| 14:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexavalent_chromium#Toxicity |
| 14:42.58 | mece | pupnik, talking to me? |
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| 14:43.21 | pupnik | mece: me? |
| 14:43.32 | mece | pupnik, (05:37:06 PM) pupnik: how many GB source does it require |
| 14:43.34 | pupnik | yes, the chromium source |
| 14:43.57 | mece | pupnik, no idea. I was just curious. |
| 14:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | is waiting for a browser caled VX |
| 14:44.59 | mece | pupnik, I've tried to make sense of Capt'n Corrupt's ramblings on tmo regarding chrome os, and afaik chrome browser == chrome os in practice. |
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| 14:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | isn't chrome OS basically a bloated browser to do everything as HTML? |
| 14:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | >> Since Google Chrome OS is aimed at users who spend most of their computer time on the Internet, the only application on the device will be a browser incorporating a media player.<< |
| 14:49.06 | chem|st | reality got me back.... |
| 14:49.27 | mece | DocScrutinizer, yes. |
| 14:49.45 | mece | DocScrutinizer, so chrome os < ALL OTHER OS's |
| 14:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | fsckit |
| 14:50.04 | chem|st | stupitity is no excuse^^ |
| 14:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest a kernel with built-in X, so all you do at boottime is open a X port and connect to a remote server |
| 14:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | *BLAERGH* |
| 14:51.46 | mece | DocScrutinizer, a whaa? |
| 14:52.39 | pupnik | remember thin clients |
| 14:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | I know, I know |
| 14:53.42 | chem|st | ~400mW with wifi and playback of mp3s over headset is not that bad would love to have that on my netbook... there my system up "only" is 10W |
| 14:53.42 | infobot | that's too long, chem|st |
| 14:54.14 | chem|st | ~IDK |
| 14:54.14 | infobot | hmm... idk is I don't know |
| 14:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~kick chem|st |
| 14:54.42 | infobot | ACTION kicks chem|st |
| 14:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 14:55.23 | chem|st | ~coffee DocScrutinizer |
| 14:55.23 | infobot | ACTION steals some of ZogG's special coffee and gives it to DocScrutinizer on a silver platter. |
| 14:55.26 | ShadowJK | I sounds low, but if it's playback of mp3 on N900, it makes sense |
| 14:55.39 | Macer | hm |
| 14:55.47 | Macer | let me try out firefox |
| 14:55.55 | chem|st | 70mA at 4.xV |
| 14:56.03 | Macer | maybe it is just because i used fennec while it w2as n[Cw |
| 14:56.09 | Macer | was new |
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| 14:57.06 | chem|st | I needed to purge fennec and install it from scratch as some of the upgrades did screw it |
| 14:57.15 | Macer | omg why is app manager so slow |
| 14:57.34 | Macer | i blame python |
| 14:57.39 | lcuk | macer with -devel enabled, it has every version of every package |
| 14:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | because of the huge repos it has to update and rebuild the local db |
| 14:58.03 | Macer | oh |
| 14:58.16 | lcuk | suggestions in the past would be to have the repositories including only required dependencies I think |
| 14:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | hi lcuk |
| 14:58.45 | lcuk | hi DocScrutinizer \o |
| 14:59.14 | ShadowJK | app manager on my N900 does "Hcecking for updates" after every single tap |
| 14:59.34 | ShadowJK | and doesn't update automatically when not running HAM |
| 14:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | that's indeed the unique feature of HAM |
| 14:59.40 | chem|st | Macer: 18MB repos if all extras are enabled |
| 15:00.17 | lcuk | I am guessing it would be possible to scan and filter to specifically required packages |
| 15:00.37 | lcuk | so that all dependencies are cared for |
| 15:00.45 | lcuk | but that would be server side |
| 15:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: speaking outa my a... I'd say that's almost exactly what HAM does |
| 15:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, server side - good point |
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| 15:01.30 | edheldil | there is also a possibility to run apt-get install and apt-cache search directly ;-) |
| 15:01.43 | Macer | no flash in fennec? |
| 15:01.45 | lcuk | edheldil, PITA for end users |
| 15:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | edheldil: also dangerous |
| 15:02.01 | chem|st | and incremental diff support to not have a download of xMB each update |
| 15:02.13 | mece | Macer, you can do some about:config setting hack to enable flash |
| 15:02.34 | ShadowJK | I just tapped "Update". So one repo died, it popped up message about that. Upon tapping "Details", to see which repo failed, it went "Checking for updates" again. |
| 15:02.39 | chem|st | Macer: about:config^^ |
| 15:02.52 | chem|st | Macer: its just not activated |
| 15:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's odd |
| 15:03.15 | chem|st | ShadowJK: vlc died lately |
| 15:03.19 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 15:04.05 | Macer | chem|st: ok. i will hunt it down |
| 15:04.19 | ShadowJK | sygic too |
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| 15:11.41 | Macer | chem|st: uhm |
| 15:11.54 | GeneralAntilles | teehees. |
| 15:12.01 | Macer | what do i enable |
| 15:12.13 | Macer | about:config has a million options |
| 15:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/firmware-hack-can-transform-a-2009-mac-pro-into-a-12-core-monster.ars |
| 15:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | monster as in "no sw support for those friggin cores"? |
| 15:13.56 | pupnik | n900fly is on maemo-select >_< |
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| 15:14.12 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: OS X is quite good on the SMP. |
| 15:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: do a lot of video and CGI stuff that parallelizes well, too. ;) |
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| 15:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, the URL wording is massively misleading. It's about a physical CPU upgrade and how to support it via EFI. I thought they're going to enable user to use some "hidden" cores - like the shaders in gfx or sth - which wouldn't exactly match the def for SMP |
| 15:18.45 | ShadowJK | the fact you have to hack firmware to do a cpu upgrade... |
| 15:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | is bad enough |
| 15:18.55 | ShadowJK | spot the facepalm |
| 15:19.28 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: yes, well. ;) |
| 15:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK: yes, I agree. |
| 15:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | But the damn thing was free. |
| 15:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | what? your 2009 mbp? |
| 15:21.36 | mece | anyway back to android bashing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6hienXEd0Y |
| 15:21.42 | mece | I LOL'd |
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| 15:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, my late-2004 G5 (water cooled) leaked early in 2009 and killed itsely. |
| 15:23.26 | GeneralAntilles | s/itsely/itself |
| 15:23.30 | mece | the video brings up the question are both processors actually used on the atrix? |
| 15:24.20 | chem|st | isnt fring the microsoft facebook? |
| 15:24.24 | GeneralAntilles | Took about 5 months, but I eventually got Apple to replace it wholesale after first having them agree to a free repair of: motherboard, PSU, case, and CPUs, which was DOA. |
| 15:25.14 | mece | N9 trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg |
| 15:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | OK, who wants to collect the screengrabs and post them on Talk for Thanks!+++++++ |
| 15:27.47 | Lynoure | mece: the real device will come with even longer shots of beautiful people and scenery? :) |
| 15:28.48 | GeneralAntilles | "Your watched item, Nikon Nikkor 85mm f1.4, is ending soon" clearly filmed by a photographer. |
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| 15:29.44 | ShadowJK | Someone reply with "What about flash10 and 3g video calls?!" to that youtoob |
| 15:29.54 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 15:31.49 | ShadowJK | hm, so.. No lens cover, single flash (led or xenon?), portrait mode, cocaine dispenser, hw keyboard N97 style, |
| 15:32.17 | ShadowJK | and too thin for a proper battery. No visible battery door? |
| 15:32.31 | ShadowJK | This should set tmo on fire :) |
| 15:32.35 | Jaffa | Nokia've been moving away from those for ages |
| 15:32.40 | Jaffa | People still read TMO? |
| 15:34.48 | ShadowJK | wonders how long until MeeGo DE on N9 |
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| 15:37.14 | ShadowJK | I wonder what became of Nokia's fuel cell prototypes |
| 15:37.29 | ShadowJK | fuel cell and a Li-Ion battery in a phone |
| 15:37.39 | ShadowJK | it did hotswap :( |
| 15:38.56 | merge | hey, i run mozillas latest-beta repo and don't get version 4.0.1 |
| 15:39.07 | merge | why is that |
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| 15:51.43 | chem|st | ShadowJK: no cocaine dispenser would be a show stopper! |
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| 15:54.00 | mece | GeneralAntilles, good idea! :D http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1008281&postcount=505 |
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| 15:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: where from you got those hw spec details? |
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| 15:58.10 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: The video on YouTube claiming to be a teaser for the N9 |
| 15:58.14 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: ^ |
| 15:58.28 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Aspects of it look convincing that it's *some* form of Harmattan device |
| 15:58.39 | MohammadAG | it seems to be harmattan, indeed |
| 15:58.55 | MohammadAG | wanna bet you'll get it at meegoconf? |
| 15:59.02 | MohammadAG | (And I won't, /me cries) |
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| 16:00.51 | Jaffa | Not sure I'd bet on it for meegoconf |
| 16:01.37 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, pretty sure it'll be there, at least as a developer device like the 300 one in Amsterdam |
| 16:01.39 | Jaffa | Would be nice to get something shiny |
| 16:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | frowns and turns away |
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| 16:03.29 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, if that's true then can I blame my exams for not getting one? |
| 16:04.34 | Jaffa | hopes Harmattan isn't an enormous regression in usability (e.g. good hardware keyboard, terminal, SSH, hackability) |
| 16:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: isn't there a devel dev queue for N9? |
| 16:04.53 | lardman | MohammadAG: I wonder if I can blame needing to move house? |
| 16:05.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm guessing there's nothing until they announce it |
| 16:05.51 | nid0 | tbh, the keyboard cant be much worse than the n900's, but from that trailer it looks like it is a crummy n900-style 3-line job |
| 16:05.53 | MohammadAG | at least as a dev issue |
| 16:05.53 | lardman | I quite like the look of the E7 though, if it ran Linux |
| 16:06.10 | MohammadAG | lardman, moving is one thing, exams is another :p |
| 16:06.27 | Jaffa | The E7 feels a lot flimsier and more delicate than the N8, cos of the big sliding keyboard |
| 16:07.03 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. In principle I could get to meego 2011 - but without any money to spend once I got there. |
| 16:07.13 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, ever used an N97? |
| 16:07.14 | SpeedEvil | was idly wondering. |
| 16:07.23 | SpeedEvil | I have way more sane things to spend cash on. |
| 16:07.26 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I have. |
| 16:07.30 | lardman | MohammadAG: hey I have to invigilate some exams :p |
| 16:07.56 | lardman | so what was that a trailer for? |
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| 16:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: if Nokia fails to send me a N9 evaluation PV sample, after I've proven on N900to find all the bugs in hw, then they're more ignorant than I ever thought |
| 16:08.29 | Jaffa | lardman: Looks to be RM-680, a Harmattan device. |
| 16:08.41 | lardman | Jaffa: ah, finally it breaks cover |
| 16:08.43 | Jaffa | Whether that's the "N9" or the "N9 Dev Device" or... |
| 16:08.48 | lardman | I have given up reading TMO |
| 16:08.51 | nid0 | thank christ its not edof |
| 16:08.54 | MohammadAG | N9 isn't the name afaik |
| 16:09.03 | MohammadAG | that's for Windows Phone 7 stuff |
| 16:09.10 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Oh? |
| 16:09.43 | MohammadAG | Yeah, I thought they went back to NXXX |
| 16:09.49 | MohammadAG | like N950 |
| 16:09.57 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: There's been no public talk about a name. There was the "N950" to set expectations over what you'd get, and there was the Settings translations debacle which contained |
| 16:10.21 | Jaffa | ..."About my N9" - but that could change at any point. |
| 16:10.22 | MohammadAG | anyway, I guess we should refer to it as the RM-680 |
| 16:10.30 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Or "Harmattan device" |
| 16:10.33 | MohammadAG | it's a shame it won't have an RGB LED, that's a big regression imo |
| 16:11.04 | lcuk | the n900 has 384001 RGB leds :P |
| 16:11.12 | SpeedEvil | No it doesn't. |
| 16:11.17 | Jaffa | No it... snap |
| 16:11.18 | SpeedEvil | It has one. |
| 16:11.26 | lcuk | ok it has 384000 RGB lcd thingies |
| 16:11.29 | lcuk | and 1 led |
| 16:11.41 | MohammadAG | by the looks of it, the N950 will also lack lasers |
| 16:11.45 | MohammadAG | is disappointed |
| 16:11.52 | lardman | and a couple of RGB ones which have the same output on each channel |
| 16:11.54 | Jaffa | And a tea's made |
| 16:11.57 | SpeedEvil | What about lazors? |
| 16:12.04 | Jaffa | s/made/maid/ |
| 16:12.12 | SpeedEvil | lardman: more than that - keyboard and display LEDs too |
| 16:12.15 | SpeedEvil | lardman: a dozenish |
| 16:12.17 | lcuk | will it come with seabass attachment though? |
| 16:12.21 | lardman | SpeedEvil: true :) |
| 16:12.43 | MohammadAG | I want the one that shoots portals! |
| 16:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | those aren't RGB |
| 16:13.18 | lcuk | MohammadAG, interesting |
| 16:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | they're evidently BY aka white |
| 16:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | N8 seems to have OLED screen? |
| 16:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe RX680 as well? |
| 16:14.32 | MohammadAG | RM-680 |
| 16:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | then indeed it has quite a number of RGB LEDs |
| 16:14.43 | MohammadAG | that's what MeeGo's sources say |
| 16:14.53 | MohammadAG | well, mce's sources |
| 16:15.09 | lardman | browses Google looking for Harmattan goodies and finds lots of pages from '09 |
| 16:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | say what? |
| 16:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | OLED or RM-680? |
| 16:15.55 | MohammadAG | err, what? |
| 16:16.10 | MohammadAG | I think you're confused, I was talking about the notification light :p |
| 16:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 16:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, idiocy |
| 16:16.34 | MohammadAG | I have it red for SMS, green for IM, blue for emails, fading in and out red/blue for missed calls |
| 16:16.40 | MohammadAG | one light can't indicate all those |
| 16:16.45 | MohammadAG | so that's a regression for me |
| 16:16.46 | SpeedEvil | Morse. |
| 16:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | as a RGB LED isn't really more expensive than a silly white one |
| 16:16.55 | MohammadAG | cba to learn that :p |
| 16:17.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm guessing they went with an N8 look |
| 16:17.18 | SpeedEvil | It's a bit more expensive. I'd guess 15 cents, not 5 |
| 16:17.27 | MohammadAG | I hope they add in hardware buttons for s(end) |
| 16:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no way |
| 16:17.56 | MohammadAG | 15 cents won't break Nokia anyway |
| 16:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | marginally more expensive, but in the range of 5ct rather than 15 |
| 16:18.20 | lardman | lol, I thought you were talking about the finish of the device |
| 16:18.40 | MohammadAG | the screen's probably a 4" AMOLED, ala E7 |
| 16:19.14 | SpeedEvil | The cheapest LED I see in 1000s is $.37 at digikey |
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| 16:19.22 | MohammadAG | chances are Nokia learned from the N900, so a 32GB eMMC will hold rootfs |
| 16:19.40 | lardman | so do we reckon dual core then? |
| 16:19.44 | MohammadAG | which in turn probably means flashing = removing user data |
| 16:19.51 | Sc0rpius | N9 will have 64 GB or so I heard |
| 16:19.55 | lardman | Cortex A9? |
| 16:20.04 | MohammadAG | lardman, I'm guessing single core 1.0 - 1.2 |
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| 16:20.32 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, I really hope so at this point. |
| 16:20.34 | MohammadAG | don't mind a dual core device, would need software optimizations but at least the HW's safe |
| 16:20.39 | GeneralAntilles | Coming out of the gate with an OMAP3630 is going to be bad news. |
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| 16:20.56 | MohammadAG | wb alter |
| 16:21.01 | MohammadAG | tab fail |
| 16:21.01 | alterego | I have to say, that teaser trailer is very sexy |
| 16:21.04 | GeneralAntilles | mece, more pictures. |
| 16:21.10 | alterego | I actually did a little wee in my pants. |
| 16:21.28 | nid0 | the lack of dedicated number row on the keyboard is disappointing though :( |
| 16:21.30 | alterego | And I like the new rocky style promo video |
| 16:21.41 | GeneralAntilles | notes the dimmer TRIAC on one of the overhead lights is now pulsing at 3hz in the "off" position. . . . |
| 16:21.53 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, I really hope I'm wrong about the single core guess but... |
| 16:21.54 | alterego | Much cooler than the normal Nokia (look how nice and green we are) |
| 16:22.11 | MohammadAG | the same N9 was around in what? November? |
| 16:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, I don't think you are. |
| 16:22.26 | lardman | well whatever the case I hope they just get on with it, am getting bored of waiting |
| 16:22.27 | GeneralAntilles | But there were those rumors about delays to update hardware. |
| 16:22.31 | alterego | MohammadAG: unless they've updated the previous hardware (OMAP3650 |
| 16:22.32 | GeneralAntilles | lardman: +++++++++++++++++++ |
| 16:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | ok, been wrong. Actually digikey has then in the 30ct range |
| 16:22.37 | lardman | in fact I was getting bored of waiting 8 months ago |
| 16:22.38 | alterego | It will be single core. |
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| 16:22.58 | MohammadAG | hears the sound of dreams shattering |
| 16:22.58 | alterego | 12MP Carl Zeiss, I'm happy with that :) |
| 16:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (digikey) yes ^^^ |
| 16:23.15 | alterego | It looks like an aluminum back cover (like the N810 had) too |
| 16:23.15 | nid0 | and AF \o/ |
| 16:23.17 | MohammadAG | 12MP is meh, bring on 25! |
| 16:23.30 | alterego | MohammadAG: 12MP is about as high as I'm willing to go for that size tbg |
| 16:23.37 | alterego | Hell, it's arguable too high for that size. |
| 16:23.47 | MohammadAG | alterego, 25 isn't realistic, your sarcasm detector's borked |
| 16:23.55 | GAN900 | orders a real backpack for SF. |
| 16:23.56 | alterego | So's your face. |
| 16:24.01 | MohammadAG | fu :p |
| 16:24.26 | alterego | GAN900: we're all meeting for drunks in the Hyatt bar on Saturday night if you're interested? |
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| 16:24.34 | alterego | s/drunks/drinks/ |
| 16:24.42 | lardman | hmm, wish I'd applied for SF now that work has tailed off |
| 16:24.43 | alterego | Freudian slip ... |
| 16:24.44 | lardman | ah well |
| 16:24.48 | GAN900 | alterego, was thinking dinenr sometime before that. |
| 16:25.10 | alterego | GAN900: I arrive at 3:30pm, I'd be happy to wander around with you ;) |
| 16:25.17 | GAN900 | And the mwkn during/after drinking. |
| 16:25.20 | alterego | I'm arriving with Jaffa |
| 16:25.28 | GAN900 | Got a dozen or so people in for dinner. |
| 16:25.33 | alterego | Sounds good |
| 16:25.43 | MohammadAG | alterego, ever wondered if columbus worked in flight? |
| 16:25.45 | lardman | do we know if there will be streaming coverage of the talks in SF? |
| 16:25.51 | GAN900 | Apparently the council is meeting up sometime in the evening for their secret planning meeting. |
| 16:25.53 | Jaffa | GAN900: MWKN drinks/food is Sunday, no? |
| 16:25.54 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'll be testing it :P |
| 16:25.56 | GAN900 | So maybe after that. |
| 16:26.05 | GAN900 | Oh, yes. |
| 16:26.12 | GAN900 | Saturday != Sunday |
| 16:26.31 | lardman | depends if your logic is fuxxy |
| 16:26.35 | lardman | fuzzy even |
| 16:26.53 | GAN900 | Well maybe if we get drunk enough it wont matter. |
| 16:26.59 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 16:27.06 | lardman | well that's a definition of fuzzy :) |
| 16:27.07 | alterego | Hahah |
| 16:27.10 | GAN900 | lardman, I'm planning on providing a live IRC blog. |
| 16:27.17 | alterego | GAN900: me too! |
| 16:27.24 | MohammadAG | <alterego> MohammadAG: I'll be testing it :P <-- sure the speed digits will fit? |
| 16:27.32 | lardman | cool :) |
| 16:27.37 | alterego | MohammadAG: heh |
| 16:27.42 | MohammadAG | I doubt you'll be traveling at 100-999 kmph speeds :p |
| 16:27.45 | alterego | MohammadAG: overflow ftw! :) |
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| 16:27.56 | GAN900 | alterego, I may be in for Saturday. I'm getting in in the evening and staying with a friend. He may want to do dinner. |
| 16:27.59 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, rootfs on emmc is going to be such a lagfest once you marginally even approach using more than 70% ram it wont even be funny anymore :) |
| 16:28.07 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'll update it to include an extra 0 :P |
| 16:28.11 | ShadowJK | especially if they're still using ext3 |
| 16:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Columbus too the ship |
| 16:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | tok* |
| 16:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | damn |
| 16:28.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, I'd start adding division |
| 16:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Columbus took a ship |
| 16:28.51 | MohammadAG | so alterego's hijacking the plane? |
| 16:29.01 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, I'll do a branch called "Wright" :P |
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| 16:29.42 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, I'm getting my license tomorrow :p |
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| 16:31.13 | alterego | notes "Ovi Maps" in this screeny - http://nokiagadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/lLLLLL.jpg |
| 16:31.17 | lardman | ah, it seems there will indeed by live streaming :) http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming |
| 16:31.22 | alterego | TV & Video? |
| 16:31.23 | lardman | s/by/be |
| 16:31.23 | ShadowJK | wonders if sandisk's "iSSD" is actually non-stupid |
| 16:31.32 | alterego | Oh no .. |
| 16:31.50 | lardman | heads for home |
| 16:31.52 | lardman | cu chaps later |
| 16:32.20 | SpeedEvil | I was interested to see that samsungs newer 'emmc' line offers something similar to trim. |
| 16:33.16 | ShadowJK | Yeah... and Nokia has trim support iirc |
| 16:33.21 | ShadowJK | (in harmattan) |
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| 16:34.30 | ShadowJK | I'm not sure trim helps much if they're still using the same fundamental algorithms as on typical sd/mmc/usbflash though.. |
| 16:36.43 | alterego | notices the camera app icon looks somewhat reminiscent of this - http://a.abcnews.com/images/Technology/ap_hal_080415_ssh.jpg |
| 16:37.36 | SpeedEvil | Trim helps modestly to avoid fragmentation on flash. |
| 16:37.58 | SpeedEvil | It means that the flash controller explicitly knows what parts of the disk are not wanted, and can be zeroed. |
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| 16:38.12 | SpeedEvil | Rather than having to interpret. |
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| 16:38.28 | SpeedEvil | This means that there is more 'free space' for wear leveling to happen in. |
| 16:38.59 | SpeedEvil | In a normal SD card, the 'free space' is only the space specifically allocated to wear leveling. |
| 16:39.16 | SpeedEvil | In a trim-supporting card, it's potentially that, plus any empty space. |
| 16:39.26 | ShadowJK | And allocation takes place in erase block sizes anyway.. |
| 16:40.02 | ShadowJK | And there's a limited (1-4, according to linaro's research) amount of pages it can keep "open" simultaneously |
| 16:40.07 | SpeedEvil | Potentially. |
| 16:40.15 | alterego | Ooo, the on screen keyboard looks nice. |
| 16:40.23 | SpeedEvil | wishes that the micro was exposed, and programmable again. |
| 16:40.28 | pupnik_ | elop looks like something out of a cthulhu book |
| 16:40.55 | ShadowJK | So that means if you have two apps writing 4k sequentially, it is translated into repeated 256k (or 512k, whatever erase block size is) read-modify |
| 16:41.22 | ShadowJK | so class rating speed divided by 64 :P |
| 16:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: wtf are you talking about? |
| 16:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, N9/N950 trailer |
| 16:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | I fsckng haven't seen a vknd looking nice there |
| 16:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | nor do I get how anybody can find out about "no visible battery door" |
| 16:45.31 | pupnik_ | thin is in |
| 16:45.56 | alterego | Sort of looks like it could be Malik |
| 16:46.00 | alterego | But probably not. |
| 16:49.09 | frals | trailer wat? |
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| 16:52.02 | alterego | frals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg |
| 16:52.49 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: just look at the first few seconds when it rotates to show the back. |
| 16:52.53 | alterego | Looks like brushed metal |
| 16:52.56 | alterego | Not saying it is. |
| 16:53.13 | alterego | Just saying it reminds me of the N810, especially with the edges at the top |
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| 16:54.48 | alterego | The flash looks a bit puney though |
| 16:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: which timemark? |
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| 16:55.12 | alterego | ~3seconds |
| 16:55.24 | ShadowJK | alterego, but atleast it wont blind itself with the flash |
| 16:55.28 | ShadowJK | like n900 |
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| 16:55.38 | alterego | Has anyone managed to read a disk that hasn't been finalized under windows on a Linux PC? |
| 16:57.29 | MohammadAG | <-- |
| 16:58.09 | alterego | How? |
| 16:58.47 | MohammadAG | just pop it in and press play |
| 16:58.49 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 16:58.55 | MohammadAG | it works as is for me |
| 17:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: that's quite a blurry sth I can't tell anything from, at ~3s |
| 17:00.30 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, it sort of comes in and out of focus. |
| 17:00.45 | alterego | I think I'll download the video and watch it on my local machine ;) |
| 17:00.50 | alterego | Seems to have a 1080p source .. |
| 17:01.05 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you in SF next week? |
| 17:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | alas not, no CC |
| 17:01.31 | alterego | Aw :( |
| 17:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: you may try to find sb who understands about why to send me an evaluation sample, an NDA + a schematics |
| 17:03.03 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: we'll see. |
| 17:03.17 | alterego | I bet you'll all be offered dev devices |
| 17:03.21 | SpeedEvil | Wish I had spare funds to get to SF. |
| 17:03.46 | alterego | I'm still quite hesitant to believe they'll me giving them out in SF |
| 17:03.53 | alterego | Seems pretty unlikely to me .. |
| 17:03.59 | alterego | s/me/be/ |
| 17:04.11 | alterego | ffs .. |
| 17:05.08 | alterego | Heh, there's an advert for an E7 next to the N9 vid in my browser. |
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| 17:05.45 | lardman | one thing I did forget to ask, is do we reckon it will have a digital compass? |
| 17:05.49 | lardman | hopes so |
| 17:06.18 | alterego | lardman: I'm pretty sure it will. |
| 17:06.24 | alterego | They're sticking them in all the others. |
| 17:06.48 | lardman | well that was the case with the N97 too, but I do hope so |
| 17:06.49 | alterego | I imagine peripheral wise it should be similar to N8, so I'm hoping for HDMI, USB OTG &, compo, compass etc. |
| 17:07.09 | ShadowJK | what about a gyro |
| 17:07.43 | lardman | for position information in lifts? ;) |
| 17:08.00 | ShadowJK | for attitude info |
| 17:08.19 | lardman | can't one determine that with a 3 axis accelerometer? |
| 17:08.41 | ShadowJK | no |
| 17:08.57 | lardman | assuming one is standing still on the ground, why not? |
| 17:09.02 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 17:09.11 | ShadowJK | but not determine which way you're pointing |
| 17:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | camera antishake is done with gyro |
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| 17:09.21 | ShadowJK | like for star gazing |
| 17:09.24 | alterego | ShadowJK: that's why the compass is there. |
| 17:09.53 | lardman | the gyro would need to have its orientation and heading set otherwise anyway |
| 17:09.57 | ShadowJK | compass is slow, inaccurate and prone to interference.. |
| 17:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 17:10.18 | lardman | ok fair enough, so use compass to setup gyros? |
| 17:10.27 | lardman | that would work I suppose |
| 17:11.15 | lardman | afaicr the Galaxy Tab has a gyro, and it doesn't improve the behaviour of the compass that's for sure! :) |
| 17:11.19 | rm_you | hrm, wonder what the status of meego on n900 is now <_< |
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| 17:12.07 | MohammadAG | Not bad - good |
| 17:12.12 | lardman | the whole Meego thing has really put me off, I would like some hardware though and a toolchain that will work with it |
| 17:12.19 | ShadowJK | Yeah, compass, accelerometer to setup gyro. Gyro gives fast response, and can distinguish between acceleration and rotation |
| 17:12.31 | lardman | and thereby some sort of goal and platform on which to work |
| 17:12.43 | GeneralAntilles | What a mess. |
| 17:13.01 | lardman | ShadowJK: ok, would require decent sw to decide how to setup the gyro, but certainly doable |
| 17:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: eh? |
| 17:14.05 | rm_you | Meego seems like it is moving super slowly and i'm not really sure what their real goal is, they've generalized so much, will it work RIGHT for *any* platform? >_> |
| 17:14.06 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo |
| 17:14.22 | lardman | GAN900: yeah, not the ideal way to try to get your developer community doing anything imho |
| 17:14.34 | GeneralAntilles | Unsurprising, though. |
| 17:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | rm_you: quite to the point, yes |
| 17:14.39 | GeneralAntilles | Intel only knows how to deal with OEMs. |
| 17:14.45 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia is thrashing itself to death. |
| 17:14.46 | lardman | rm_you: exactly, almost as if they have withdrawn into OEM only mode |
| 17:14.56 | rm_you | yeah i was very disappointed by the the state of meego when they first announced it, and nothing has really changed my mind |
| 17:15.46 | rm_you | you'd think if they really wanted a community to support it, they would have done some sprints to get it functioning properly and usably on n900 or SOME hardware ASAP |
| 17:15.54 | rm_you | by now, no one really cares anymore |
| 17:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, except alterego |
| 17:16.20 | lardman | well the N900 is pretty old and slow now, so that is part of the issue |
| 17:16.26 | lardman | certainly not shiny and new |
| 17:16.36 | rm_you | pft, old and slow? :P still pretty good compared to many handsets |
| 17:16.50 | rm_you | only things that beat it are the really new fancy ones, but they're not THAT much faster |
| 17:16.51 | lardman | hmm, clock is slow, it's a brick too |
| 17:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | Still my main. |
| 17:16.59 | lardman | I do love it still, but times have changed |
| 17:17.03 | lardman | still mine tpp |
| 17:17.04 | rm_you | yeah |
| 17:17.05 | lardman | too |
| 17:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: if your system can't get to work properly on "old" hw like N900, then you got some fundamental problems |
| 17:17.11 | rm_you | still using it as my main :P |
| 17:17.29 | rm_you | i'd put n900 "middle of the road" for the current gen |
| 17:17.30 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: certainly, just thinking about the appeal of writing sw for something |
| 17:17.40 | lardman | rm_you: for smartphones? |
| 17:17.50 | rm_you | yes |
| 17:18.04 | lardman | hmm, clock is quite low for current day |
| 17:18.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you have to keep up with competitors in the end |
| 17:18.25 | MohammadAG | people like eye candy, the N900 can't do a lot of stuff people want in that field |
| 17:18.32 | MohammadAG | and MeeGo seems to add a lot of it |
| 17:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | who's competitor to meego-arm? |
| 17:18.38 | MohammadAG | to Nokia |
| 17:20.01 | lardman | for me the poor calendar and maps are the major issue, plus slow (if complete) browser |
| 17:20.06 | lardman | oh, and slow connection |
| 17:20.32 | lardman | but other than those it's fine, not too bothered about bling, but I think it should be available to wow people |
| 17:20.56 | GeneralAntilles | I want more RAM. |
| 17:20.57 | nid0 | my girlfriend still gets all starry-eyed by gasballs on the n900 |
| 17:21.00 | lardman | screen size does it no favours too |
| 17:22.20 | pupnik_ | gasballs ? |
| 17:23.03 | nid0 | pupnik_: http://store.ovi.com/content/51436 - A visual demo thing nokia released quite a while ago |
| 17:23.15 | lardman | ah the dreaded Ovi store |
| 17:23.15 | rm_you | i never got my Ovi store working :/ |
| 17:23.17 | lardman | :) |
| 17:23.44 | lardman | nor did I, other than manually through HAM, and I try not to use HAM as I'm sure you'll all agree |
| 17:25.44 | lardman | Nice work on the CSU though, I've not used the camera for ages and did so today and found some random distance numbers on the screen |
| 17:25.55 | lardman | not sure what they do, but they looked nice |
| 17:26.36 | rm_you | lolol |
| 17:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | useless autofocus thing |
| 17:26.47 | derf | Useless? |
| 17:26.58 | derf | mbarcode really needed some autofocus. |
| 17:27.08 | rm_you | ooo how is mbarcode doing |
| 17:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | but no random numbers telling you... what? |
| 17:27.34 | rm_you | last version of that i had was the version i built for n800 with the onboard UPC database :P |
| 17:28.23 | SpeedEvil | mbarcode now doesn't crash for me on n900 - which is nic e- I just now need to work out how to get it to spit out barcodes to a named pipe, or a file. |
| 17:28.27 | SpeedEvil | or dbus |
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| 17:34.35 | MohammadAG | <lardman> not sure what they do, but they looked nice |
| 17:34.40 | MohammadAG | distance from focused object |
| 17:36.06 | pupnik_ | can i use it to make a shoping list and track prices? |
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| 17:39.48 | RST38h | http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/ron-paul-suggests-basic-freedoms-come-second-to-property-rights/ |
| 17:41.58 | alterego | MohammadAG: my QML based dialer will be in the handset images for N900 DE starting from tomorrow ;) |
| 17:42.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, non-trolling question, how much ram does it take? |
| 17:42.34 | alterego | No idea |
| 17:42.36 | alterego | checks |
| 17:42.53 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what's your point? |
| 17:42.56 | MohammadAG | alterego, another thing, slide to answer? pwease? |
| 17:43.02 | alterego | 16.9% when not shown. |
| 17:43.12 | MohammadAG | wtf |
| 17:43.28 | alterego | 15% when shown |
| 17:43.30 | MohammadAG | so 16.9% of RAM when it's not being used? |
| 17:43.34 | MohammadAG | damn that's a lot :/ |
| 17:43.36 | alterego | chuckles. |
| 17:43.42 | alterego | Yeah, gonna need to look into that. |
| 17:43.49 | MohammadAG | you can't |
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| 17:43.52 | MohammadAG | it's QML :P |
| 17:44.01 | alterego | It's QML+MTF actually |
| 17:44.12 | alterego | And a load of other shit that isn't really needed. |
| 17:44.26 | alterego | I imagine it could be streamlined a bit more, but that's quite typical for QML really. |
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| 17:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (distance from focused object) would need some proper calibrating and compensation for a number of factors. It's just the current sent to an electromagnet moving the lens against some sping |
| 17:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so the conversation of this electric current value to some proper distance numbers needs quite some bits of mangling, probably even including device orientation relative to earth g |
| 17:49.22 | pupnik_ | http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/ron-paul-suggests-basic-freedoms-depend-on-property-rights/ RST38h |
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| 17:50.02 | pupnik_ | nothing new about that really |
| 17:50.13 | RST38h | heh |
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| 17:55.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, a reason I hate QML tbh |
| 17:55.38 | MohammadAG | my mediaplayer's entraintainment view doubles ram usage |
| 17:55.43 | MohammadAG | that's why it's not there by default |
| 17:56.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no idea, it's a number returned by digicam (the backend) |
| 17:56.03 | Treibholz | good bye guys! I switched to android... |
| 17:56.09 | Treibholz | with a heavy heart... |
| 17:56.25 | MohammadAG | You'll be back |
| 17:56.27 | MohammadAG | Eventually |
| 17:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yeah, and to there from v4l2 or sth |
| 17:56.55 | Treibholz | MohammadAG: I won't sell the n900! :-) |
| 17:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nevertheless aiui it's not calibrated anywhere |
| 17:57.20 | Treibholz | it will stay on my desk until I find something usefull, I can do with it. |
| 17:58.20 | MohammadAG | Treibholz, see? You're already back |
| 17:58.46 | trx | lol |
| 17:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: If you haven't managed to find anything by now, odds are it's definitely the wrong device/OS/concept for you and there'll be nothing any more exciting in the future |
| 17:59.56 | Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: the Maemo Concept was great, it's just dead. |
| 18:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | oh? mine is pretty fine and alive here |
| 18:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | and the basic idea of having the option to port basically arbitrary linux stuff to my pocket computer still delivers |
| 18:02.57 | Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: Oh, my old Palm Vx is still working, too. |
| 18:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | moot point |
| 18:05.55 | trx | is there any good MySQL "explorer" on n900? |
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| 18:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | some weeks ago there's been a major new version of opera, and yesterday I updated marble |
| 18:08.33 | RST38h | Funny: http://www.concept-phones.com/ |
| 18:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | rather depressing |
| 18:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | trx: maybe openoffice |
| 18:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | or any of the things that pop up on packet searck for "mysql" |
| 18:14.08 | trx | DocScrutinizer searched packages, no results |
| 18:14.20 | trx | (proper results) |
| 18:14.44 | trx | its actually a good news |
| 18:14.55 | trx | i'm gonna write one :) |
| 18:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't know of any mysql explorer, no matter on which platform |
| 18:15.35 | lardman | sorry, was cooking |
| 18:15.44 | chx | DocScrutinizer: http://www.arabic-ps.com/?q=node/8 ? |
| 18:15.54 | lardman | rm_you: mbarcode, doing ok, though on a break as it's been my end of year review time, so lots on at work |
| 18:16.08 | trx | DocScrutinizer PhpMyAdmin is really good, but web based.. |
| 18:16.10 | lardman | the thought of new hw is making me think of addressing various bugs though |
| 18:16.24 | GeneralAntilles | I hate that 5400RPM drives have had a resurgence. |
| 18:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | trx: what's "web based"? |
| 18:16.42 | lardman | MohammadAG: I assumed as much (re autofocus distance) though it wasn't the right number and didn't change (probably in macro mode I guess) |
| 18:16.45 | GeneralAntilles | I keep seeing them on Slickdeals and thinking they're real drives. |
| 18:16.56 | trx | DocScrutinizer its written in php, so you need a http server running |
| 18:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | well, there seems to be a few to run on maemo ;-D |
| 18:17.30 | lardman | pupnik_: re shopping lists, not quite, though it would be very easy to do, but I need to make it so |
| 18:17.50 | lardman | heads back to the kitchen bbl |
| 18:20.34 | piggz | alterego: awesome....will it accept calls without the dialler running? |
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| 18:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | (<alterego> I imagine it could be streamlined a bit more, but that's quite typical for QML really.) I think that's typical for current "generation" of embedded developers and projects at large. Nobody cares about lean code and performance, everybody jumps on the "it's so OO and cross-platform" train |
| 18:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | even qtmob demonstrating an amazing ignorance when it comes to system architecture details taking into account the real target platform |
| 18:31.52 | RST38h | Doc <-- riding his favorite horse again =) |
| 18:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:32.15 | RST38h | Doc: Lemme throw a bit more wood onto the fire.... |
| 18:32.59 | RST38h | Doc: http://www.concept-phones.com/ |
| 18:33.10 | RST38h | Sorry, this link: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/08/25/improving-the-string-performance-with-more-simd-or-not/ |
| 18:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h: I'm bored. |
| 18:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | naaaah, not this again |
| 18:33.27 | RST38h | Doc: sorry it was stuck in my paste buffer, use the second one |
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| 18:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | oh, and that one doesn't look any better |
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| 18:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | tales from the land of trolls and fools |
| 18:34.18 | RST38h | Doc: I mean, haven't people finished optimizing string.h contents 10-15 years ago? |
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| 18:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | you dunno qstrings :-P |
| 18:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | where every char is an object |
| 18:38.22 | RST38h | noooo...can't be |
| 18:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | no kidding |
| 18:39.01 | alterego | It's not that inefficient though |
| 18:39.03 | alterego | Not really. |
| 18:39.12 | alterego | And a QChar isn't realy an object so to speak .. |
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| 18:39.21 | alterego | At least, not a QObject |
| 18:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | just that a Qtextedit box has an overhead of textsize * 1000 to *10000 |
| 18:40.10 | RST38h | I do suspect that sizeof(QChar) is 1 |
| 18:40.10 | alterego | Why? |
| 18:40.15 | RST38h | anyone willing to check? |
| 18:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | err, *100 to *1000 |
| 18:40.27 | alterego | It just needs to load the vtable once. |
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| 18:40.39 | alterego | A string and a character are still the size they would otherwise be. |
| 18:40.47 | RST38h | aha |
| 18:40.48 | alterego | (in memory) |
| 18:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | and funny enough I've seen this gorgeous amount of used RAM just doubling on *closing*(!!) of that Qtestedit box |
| 18:42.17 | alterego | How do you know the memory is to do with the string and not the widget itself? |
| 18:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | I don't |
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| 18:43.55 | SpeedEvil | I was today amused at NXP - pushing 'an enhanced 32-bit RISC processor featuring improved coding efficiency and up to 32MIPs performance, a fully compliant 2.4GHz IEEE802.15.4 transceiver, 128kB of ROM and 128kB of RAM'. As the one computer per light-bulb solution. |
| 18:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | just know opening logs in twinkle is a friggin poor idea, when you got a logfile of ~1MB like I do |
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| 18:44.46 | RST38h | Doc: I do suspect it is mostly for rich text annotation |
| 18:44.56 | RST38h | still would not requirethat much ram though |
| 18:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be amazed if a QString can't hold richtext as well |
| 18:45.33 | RST38h | Speed: Got an email from someone who wanted to run VGB on the NXP chip today |
| 18:45.58 | RST38h | Doc: Why not ask at #meego? Maybe they can tell you why? |
| 18:46.13 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: VGB? |
| 18:46.21 | alterego | Gameboy emulator |
| 18:46.25 | pupnik_ | Wow RST38h thanks for that link, the comments are an education for me |
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| 18:52.14 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: here are some pics that kind of see what I saw: http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/05/17/nokia-n9-n950-meego-nseries-teaser-leaked/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoCentral+%28The+Handheld+Blog%29 |
| 18:52.30 | alterego | Ignore the guys comments though, he's doing a fair amount of guess work in there .. |
| 18:53.28 | slonopotamus | compiled 2.6.38 openwrt kernel for n800... time to try it |
| 18:55.16 | RST38h | yeah |
| 18:57.17 | Sicelo_ | ~nda |
| 18:57.17 | infobot | I'm not allowed to tell you |
| 18:57.29 | Sicelo_ | lol |
| 18:57.34 | RST38h | ~lol |
| 18:57.34 | infobot | well, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 18:57.35 | AcTiVaTe | I have been unable to connect to Facebook chat on my N900. Did anything change that caused it to stop working or is my install just fubar? |
| 18:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: for all I know it could be a photoshopped hoax made from http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277338 and a few other sources |
| 18:58.15 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: they are all stills from the video |
| 18:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | I meant the video |
| 18:58.33 | alterego | Oh right |
| 18:58.48 | alterego | Yes, that is certainly a possibility, I find it quite unlikely. |
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| 19:00.07 | alterego | The models actually look very similar really. Though those leaked photos you just linked to do look like they're a prototype rather than the more refined design pictured in the video. |
| 19:00.40 | GeneralAntilles | Good lord what sort of odious pedant wrote that factoid. . . . |
| 19:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo lol |
| 19:01.35 | infobot | lol -- last modified at Tue Aug 31 04:12:29 2004 by mentor!~matthew@mentor.registered; it has been requested 163 times, last by RST38h, 4m 1s ago; it has been locked by mentor. |
| 19:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | mentor HAHA LOL |
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| 19:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | nomen est omen ;-D |
| 19:02.58 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so you'll be at the meego conf? |
| 19:03.06 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 19:04.25 | AcTiVaTe | wonders if anyone even uses FB chat on their N900... |
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| 19:04.38 | alterego | GAN900: will you be joining the rest of us running N900 Developer Edition? |
| 19:05.00 | rm_you | AcTiVaTe: not really :? |
| 19:05.14 | alterego | I do actually, |
| 19:05.14 | rm_you | AcTiVaTe: i had problems once a while back, doing an apt-get upgrade fixed it |
| 19:05.33 | rm_you | there was some lib that got held back from the application manager upgrade, had to force it |
| 19:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | alterego: if it's not shit. |
| 19:06.04 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you: yes. |
| 19:06.06 | AcTiVaTe | Perhaps that's my prob, I did a reflash recently and then a restore which already caused more probs. Such as the rtcom event db that I had to let recreate |
| 19:06.39 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: well, that depends what you mean, it's obviously not as feature full as Maemo, but it works quite nicely as is, making calls, receiving calls, sms etc. |
| 19:06.49 | alterego | Haven't really used the calendar yet. |
| 19:07.14 | GeneralAntilles | I need working XChat, working GTalk/AIM, working FBReader, working browser, working SMS and working call. |
| 19:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | and I don't feel like spending a week making that happen. :P |
| 19:07.26 | alterego | Not likely then :) |
| 19:07.37 | alterego | Don't you have a second N900? |
| 19:08.18 | GeneralAntilles | One has a borken USB, the other is water damaged. |
| 19:08.25 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:08.35 | alterego | None are under warranty? |
| 19:08.47 | alterego | got one replaced last week |
| 19:08.55 | rm_you | heh i had three n900s at one point |
| 19:09.06 | GeneralAntilles | The USB one is a proto, the water one is, but I haven't worked myself up to sending it in yet. |
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| 19:09.18 | rm_you | one with broken USB and one that had some serious hardware issue, possibly bad RAM |
| 19:09.27 | alterego | You should put in the number for the water damaged one, and send in the usb one. |
| 19:09.31 | alterego | They wont check IMEI |
| 19:09.35 | GeneralAntilles | My DDP device is currently on loan to a friend. |
| 19:09.38 | alterego | And they wont repair water damage for free. |
| 19:09.50 | GeneralAntilles | The proto says "Property of Nokia" on the inside. |
| 19:09.58 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:09.58 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:10.02 | alterego | Okay :P |
| 19:10.04 | GeneralAntilles | It wasn't a lot of water. |
| 19:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | It was just the perfect amount to short out something important. |
| 19:10.14 | alterego | Have you tried asking for another one? :P |
| 19:10.19 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a working one. |
| 19:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | So, no. |
| 19:10.31 | alterego | :) |
| 19:10.44 | alterego | Well, I've got a spare spare, if you needed one |
| 19:10.55 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, I've got one in good shape, so I'm OK. |
| 19:11.59 | alterego | I could stare at the MeeGo orientation transition for hours |
| 19:12.03 | alterego | So silky smooth .. |
| 19:12.47 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/intel-promises-smartphones-in-first-part-of-next-year-we-put/ |
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| 19:14.07 | yigal | I want to install Angry Birds, I tried out the Chrome version recently and realized I could easily waste 3 minutes/day playing this game |
| 19:14.11 | rm_you | rofl |
| 19:14.12 | rm_you | " Intel blamed its partnership with Nokia, calling it a mistake. "In hindsight, Nokia was the wrong partner to have picked," said Otellini" |
| 19:14.14 | GeneralAntilles | Like Intel's any better than Nokia. |
| 19:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | Both of them are amazingly incompetent. |
| 19:14.32 | yigal | hey guys here is the GMA 500 |
| 19:14.42 | yigal | it will never really work very well for you, ya we're Intel |
| 19:14.44 | rm_you | i need to check that thing i signed for nokia a while back |
| 19:14.59 | rm_you | i think it said i wasn't allowed to say anything negative about them for several years... |
| 19:15.08 | yigal | WOW! |
| 19:15.11 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:15.21 | alterego | Yes, the normal Nokia agreement ;) |
| 19:15.39 | alterego | I wouldn't take that _too_ seriously tbh |
| 19:15.43 | yigal | just state the facts |
| 19:15.51 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:16.04 | alterego | "You are not allowed to state the facts, if the facts make us look bad" |
| 19:16.10 | alterego | Nope, can't do that either :P |
| 19:16.35 | yigal | :D, well that was expected |
| 19:16.51 | yigal | how many years is this supposed to go on? |
| 19:17.01 | alterego | infinity |
| 19:17.02 | rm_you | dunno, that's what i was gonna check :P |
| 19:17.31 | alterego | rm_you: that was the thing you signed to get the device in Amsterdam right? |
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| 19:20.11 | rm_you | no |
| 19:20.13 | alterego | Actually wasn't one of the clauses you weren't allowed to talk about it? |
| 19:20.25 | alterego | Oh, sounds like that one. |
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| 19:20.43 | rm_you | "I will not during the Term give any interview, provide any information or make any statement, whether in writing or orally, to any person, television company, radio station, newspaper, magazine or other media organisation, website or internet service which is or can be construed as being defamatory, derogatory or disparaging of W+K, the Client, its affiliates or employees or otherwise likely to adversely affect the commercial use of my Co |
| 19:20.43 | rm_you | ntent;" |
| 19:21.20 | rm_you | the Client = Nokia |
| 19:21.25 | rm_you | the Term = 50 years |
| 19:21.26 | rm_you | rofl |
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| 19:23.43 | SpeedEvil | A _50_ year NDA? |
| 19:23.45 | SpeedEvil | Wow. |
| 19:25.44 | SpeedEvil | You can however freely express your views on the product by Mime, interpretive dance, art, sculpture, ... |
| 19:27.25 | kerio | how do you mime nokia? |
| 19:27.36 | kerio | shake your hand? |
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| 19:28.56 | yigal | is Ovi store open right now, and can I download Angry Birds somehow from it - I've never actually used Ovi store, never thought it would amount to much, self fulfilling prophecy perhaps |
| 19:32.06 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:32.22 | alterego | rm_you: is it "50 years or if we sink, whatever comes first" ;) |
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| 19:39.05 | rm_you | i suppose :P |
| 19:40.43 | lardman | just seeing what I missed when I dropped out |
| 19:41.09 | lardman | I sent off a "Property of Nokia" N900 for a warranty screen fix and got some strange reactions |
| 19:41.17 | lardman | they seemed to think I'd nicked the thing |
| 19:41.25 | lardman | never sent it back to me of course |
| 19:42.05 | yigal | lol |
| 19:42.22 | ds3 | speaking of screen nicks, is the touch panel surface considered part of the case (for the purposes of looking at replacement parts)? |
| 19:47.26 | yigal | anyone using natively compiled texlive for TeXing? |
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| 19:55.35 | yigal | ah well had to change the general.useragent.override back to the original to get my Angry Birds, yay man I'm so behind the times |
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| 20:29.21 | dRbiG | grr, witter left the led blinking blue - can I somehow kill that without resetting the whole device? |
| 20:30.14 | dRbiG | hmm |
| 20:34.43 | dRbiG | done |
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| 20:39.55 | mece | I guess you can :D |
| 20:47.51 | piggz | space invaders 0.3 uploaded to extras-devel, now with global hi scores, so, get competing! |
| 20:48.03 | piggz | :) |
| 20:48.09 | RST38h | yooooo |
| 20:50.41 | piggz | and, please dont break the minor security i added to prevent fraudulent scores...im not running the playstation network! |
| 20:53.06 | Gh0sty | hmm fraudulent scores ^^ |
| 20:53.11 | RST38h | Now, once you have said that.... =B)~ |
| 20:53.22 | Gh0sty | wonder what would be the hardest ... beating the game or beating your coode :p |
| 20:54.23 | piggz | i suspect it would be harder to break the code if it wasnt open source! |
| 20:54.38 | RST38h | Ah holy fuck: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/8512408/Roswell-was-Soviet-plot-to-create-US-panic.html |
| 20:54.39 | ruskie | tcpdump works well ;) |
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| 20:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://skysurvey.org/ |
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| 21:15.01 | lardman | RST38h: The Grundian has some interesting things in it sometimes, like this: http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/4956385434/the-first-zombie-proof-house |
| 21:15.22 | lardman | sorry I meant Guardian of course ;) |
| 21:20.04 | pupnik | in some ways that looks pretty |
| 21:21.19 | lardman | not sure I like the roller blinds at the front when all the other openings have nuclear-proof concrete slabs! :) |
| 21:21.47 | RST38h | lardman: But...mmm.... don't they break through the glass? |
| 21:22.05 | RST38h | moos at javispedro |
| 21:22.58 | javispedro | moos back |
| 21:23.18 | javispedro | pardon the absence, but believe me, it was well worth it :) |
| 21:23.31 | lardman | RST38h: scroll down a bit, I think the concrete shutters stop that |
| 21:23.34 | RST38h | lardman: Anyway, you have got the housing, while we have got ZOMBIES: http://idu-shagayu.livejournal.com/2527348.html#cutid1 |
| 21:23.38 | lardman | and the roller blind |
| 21:23.39 | pupnik | what you been doing javispedro |
| 21:23.56 | RST38h | javispedro: Was it WebOS or the opposite gender? =) |
| 21:23.59 | javispedro | graduated this very morning, and even has a job in mind, so life's in order |
| 21:24.08 | pupnik | congrats! |
| 21:24.14 | lardman | RST38h: hmm, my Russian is a little rusty, time to get Google on the case |
| 21:24.29 | RST38h | lardman: forget the text, pictures say it all |
| 21:24.45 | lardman | lol Google reckons that's Italian on auto-detect :D |
| 21:24.47 | javispedro | pupnik: ty |
| 21:25.01 | RST38h | javispedro: ! |
| 21:25.38 | lardman | javispedro: indeed congratulations :) |
| 21:25.53 | pupnik | is that zombie eating borscht? |
| 21:26.31 | lardman | pupnik: you know that's a sure sign of a zombie, have you not read the guide? ;) |
| 21:27.37 | pupnik | i think it's something else made with paprikas |
| 21:28.02 | RST38h | lardman: + http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5604/bender008.20/0_66075_4d7424e4_orig |
| 21:28.23 | javispedro | ty lardman :) |
| 21:29.22 | lardman | RST38h: no I want the link to #18! |
| 21:29.36 | lardman | "18. Mmm what a girl in the red. " |
| 21:29.51 | lardman | unfortunately the web seems to be going vvvveeeeeeerrrrrrrryyy slowly here |
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| 21:31.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey javispedro \o/ - long time no see! |
| 21:32.14 | javispedro | heya DocScrutinizer51 |
| 21:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, indeed. Long time no see. |
| 21:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully productive things distracted you from this bs. |
| 21:32.49 | lardman | javispedro: don't try blaming the exams, MohammadAG has already used that excuse ;) |
| 21:33.24 | javispedro | exams? thesis! |
| 21:33.31 | RST38h | qwerty12 used that excuse to quit! |
| 21:33.44 | RST38h | before he used his second excuse that is. |
| 21:33.58 | lardman | lol |
| 21:34.16 | lardman | javispedro: ok thesis is a new one, we'll give you that one :D |
| 21:34.29 | Macer | RST38h: which was? |
| 21:34.42 | Macer | was that the maemo community sucked rant? |
| 21:34.48 | lardman | Android has better hw? |
| 21:34.56 | Macer | :) which was true i suppose |
| 21:34.56 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, ah congraduations to your gradumalation. |
| 21:35.26 | Macer | javispedro: do your thesis in abiword on your n900 with a bt keyboard |
| 21:35.33 | Macer | it will give you a sense of satisfaction about buying it |
| 21:35.55 | Macer | or should is say... FINALLY give you a sense of satisfaction haha |
| 21:36.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey Dr. javispedro |
| 21:36.12 | javispedro | undergrad thesis =) |
| 21:36.16 | lardman | Macer: lol, I wrote a 3rd year project on a Psion series 5. That was bloody painful |
| 21:36.30 | RST38h | javispedro: that obviously has to be fixed |
| 21:36.31 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: so no dr (yet) ;) |
| 21:36.34 | Macer | lardman: i did my fair share of stuff like that on my n95 |
| 21:36.51 | RST38h | lardman: I have seen a guy who did his thesis in MS Word |
| 21:36.54 | Macer | usiong this same keyboard as a matter of fact |
| 21:36.58 | Macer | wow this thing is pretty old heh |
| 21:37.00 | lardman | javispedro: DocScrutinizer and I are both Doctors, so perhaps we could do you an honorary one ;) |
| 21:37.02 | javispedro | there's still a chance I get a cum laude for it, so it's been quite a bit of hard work |
| 21:37.05 | Macer | but it works SO good in maemo now |
| 21:37.09 | Macer | i can just molest it |
| 21:37.17 | RST38h | lardman: He was completely bold and had to type it in 20-page chunks, because Word crashed on bigger documents |
| 21:37.18 | mece | \o |
| 21:37.25 | RST38h | s/bold/bald/ |
| 21:37.44 | Macer | RST38h: hahaha |
| 21:38.01 | Macer | would sure suck if it crashed after typing 19 |
| 21:38.04 | lardman | RST38h: Bloody M$ Word wasn't happy with my thesis, at the last minute it started arsing about with page breaks, section formatting, the whole lot. Craptastic |
| 21:38.05 | RST38h | Entering mathematical formulas was particularly tricky |
| 21:38.17 | Macer | i'm guessing he was saving it every 10 seconds |
| 21:38.23 | RST38h | lardman: Real men use LaTeX |
| 21:38.28 | Macer | HAHAH |
| 21:38.30 | lardman | yeah yeah! |
| 21:38.33 | javispedro | used LaTeX.... and beamer... |
| 21:38.41 | Macer | latex.. woooo! |
| 21:38.45 | RST38h | lardman: [keeps them from overusing graphics too, given how painful it is to prepare graphics for latex] |
| 21:39.01 | lardman | RST38h: yeah I've heard that about it :) |
| 21:39.38 | Macer | goes back to his west wing |
| 21:39.43 | Macer | love this show |
| 21:39.58 | mece | Wow, I love the Zombie house! Absolutely beautifyl! |
| 21:40.00 | javispedro | now has a few days of "nothing to do" until paperwork is done, so I'm pondering what project update first |
| 21:40.12 | lardman | Macer: when you said that earlier I thought of Green Wing and was going to suggest Campus (which was shot on my campus) |
| 21:40.22 | Macer | haha |
| 21:40.22 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/ |
| 21:40.36 | lardman | mece: got to wonder how long it would take to close the blast doors though in case of zombie attack.... |
| 21:40.39 | RST38h | javispedro: preenv? ;) |
| 21:40.52 | javispedro | very probably, got a lot of patches to merge... |
| 21:41.31 | javispedro | either way. what's new and cool? |
| 21:41.44 | RST38h | Well...N9 (or N950) has passed the FCC |
| 21:41.52 | RST38h | and some promo videos started showing up |
| 21:42.19 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: btw, was quite unsatisfied with Portal2. Way too short. (I bet you bought it? ;) ) |
| 21:42.20 | RST38h | According to Eldar (sic), Nokia will start discussing selling its mobile division to MS in a week, expecting to finish the deal by the end of 2011 |
| 21:42.44 | lcuk | javispedro, is it playable? |
| 21:42.47 | lardman | javispedro: what does one do in Portal? |
| 21:42.49 | lcuk | has not yet tried it |
| 21:42.54 | lardman | I'm playing Crysis 2 atm |
| 21:43.14 | lcuk | lardman, original portal was puzzle based on jumping through a pair of portal windows you could fire at different parts of the room |
| 21:43.39 | lcuk | highly addictive, me and jake would play for hours |
| 21:43.39 | lardman | so it's a cross between puzzle and FPS? |
| 21:43.39 | mece | gaah! the N9/50 speculations are turning my hair grey |
| 21:43.55 | lardman | passes the Just For Men |
| 21:44.04 | javispedro | lcuk: obviously, it is nice, a bit of an evolution from the first game, no big surprises... but sadly, just a bit longer. less than 8h total single-player game for me, and I'm quite slow. |
| 21:44.05 | lcuk | lardman, FPS arena with brainwork to solve the puzzles |
| 21:44.12 | RST38h | mece: FCC filing is no speculation |
| 21:44.13 | lardman | ok |
| 21:44.31 | javispedro | RST38h: saw fcc stuff, no fmtx =( |
| 21:44.47 | lardman | RST38h: do you have a link for the FCC stuff? |
| 21:44.53 | RST38h | javispedro: does not mean it is not there |
| 21:45.06 | javispedro | but "it should" mean that |
| 21:45.23 | RST38h | lardman: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=233837&fcc_id=%27LJPRM-680 |
| 21:45.35 | lardman | hmm, interesting: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Forbidden-LEGO-Models-Parents-Against/dp/1593271379/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1305668702&sr=8-5 |
| 21:45.37 | javispedro | in my brief contact with real life paperwork I've come to learn that one should use the word SHOULD more often.. |
| 21:45.38 | lardman | the title at least |
| 21:45.46 | lardman | thanks RST38h |
| 21:46.54 | RST38h | javispedro: may just be disabled |
| 21:47.24 | RST38h | javispedro: the planned production volume is rumored to be in the 100000 range |
| 21:47.54 | lardman | so it has n-band Wifi |
| 21:48.01 | lardman | n-mode even |
| 21:48.15 | javispedro | oh, I thought that 100000 was the MSRP =) |
| 21:48.17 | mece | RST38h, where'd you get those numbers? |
| 21:48.53 | RST38h | mece: no longer remember, but looked semi-credible(i.e. had a source attached) |
| 21:50.00 | RST38h | The most intriguing question is not what it has, but how are we going to get one... Given all the havoc at Nokia, will they even sell those to normal people? |
| 21:50.06 | mece | hehehe http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1008605&postcount=112 |
| 21:50.27 | javispedro | video? |
| 21:50.36 | RST38h | mece: *yawn* |
| 21:50.37 | mece | RST38h, that's the part that's giving me grey hairs. |
| 21:50.59 | mece | javispedro, "btw. I had a phone call with Nokia some hours ago. They will start investigation who leaked that video tomorrow. Someone is in serious trouble..." |
| 21:51.11 | javispedro | zehjotkah is really enjoying his position... |
| 21:51.15 | mece | yep |
| 21:51.18 | Sc0rpius | what video?!?!? |
| 21:51.23 | lardman | RST38h: are we normal people? |
| 21:51.24 | Sc0rpius | lemme see the video! |
| 21:51.35 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.36 | mece | Sc0rpius, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg |
| 21:51.36 | javispedro | I met him at MWC, iirc he joined intel... |
| 21:51.39 | Sc0rpius | thx |
| 21:51.57 | pupnik | zekot has a job? |
| 21:52.08 | mece | he said he's a blogger |
| 21:52.18 | lardman | Battery BL-4D, how many mAh is that i wonder |
| 21:52.28 | mece | 1.2Ah |
| 21:52.35 | lardman | thanks |
| 21:52.49 | javispedro | pupnik: his position was more of "community engager" or sth along the lines |
| 21:52.52 | pupnik | it's gorgeous, i hope they really make em |
| 21:53.05 | mece | pupnik, indeed. |
| 21:53.12 | pupnik | i'll miss the clickey keys |
| 21:53.17 | pupnik | spongy keys arenm't as fun |
| 21:53.27 | RST38h | lardman: Yes we are, until stated otherwise |
| 21:53.30 | mece | pupnik, I think those are clicky |
| 21:53.52 | lardman | RST38h: :( |
| 21:53.55 | pupnik | i'll bet you a beer they'll be spongy |
| 21:53.58 | RST38h | lardman:At the moment,I have to assume that there is not going to be any developer program, so, yea, we are normal |
| 21:54.21 | lardman | well we can all cross our fingers and toes |
| 21:54.32 | javispedro | pfft |
| 21:54.33 | mece | RST38h, actually as I understand it there are 2 different devices, one which is dev device. |
| 21:54.40 | javispedro | they no longer have the budget to even ship the devices |
| 21:54.51 | RST38h | pupnik: I think there were some disassembled photos, they do show clicky-like membranes |
| 21:55.03 | pupnik | yaay |
| 21:55.16 | lardman | javispedro: that is more worrying of course |
| 21:55.37 | alterego | sighs |
| 21:55.41 | RST38h | javispedro:I will happily BUY the bloody device if they tell me where. |
| 21:55.46 | alterego | People are getting very worked up about this N9 device. |
| 21:56.01 | RST38h | alterego:There ain't any alternatives |
| 21:56.07 | pupnik | if it has drivers for maemo then yaay |
| 21:56.17 | lardman | RST38h: back of the production facility in Korea? ;) |
| 21:56.22 | RST38h | alterego: Hence is the unhealthy interest |
| 21:56.34 | mece | pupnik, leaky pics: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277330 |
| 21:56.40 | javispedro | assuming the device will even go into production! |
| 21:56.46 | alterego | Yeah |
| 21:56.57 | mece | pupnik, clicky membrane spotted. |
| 21:57.10 | lardman | well that FCC filing is quite recent, no point in doing that if you're not going to produce it I'd have thought |
| 21:57.11 | alterego | I think a lot of people make some guesses, then these stupid guesses snow ball into "fact" :/ |
| 21:57.15 | RST38h | alterego:I checked the Android devices. If it comes to worst, yes, I will go with Android, some very nice hw there |
| 21:57.18 | pupnik | maybe the project is endangered and the leaker wants to generate interest |
| 21:57.28 | alterego | I don't even think Nokia will be handing anything out next week |
| 21:57.35 | RST38h | alterego: But the sw....meh |
| 21:57.46 | alterego | I'd love to be prooved wrong, but I don't get that same feeling I had about Amsterdam. |
| 21:57.53 | lardman | alterego: as long as they send stuff out too to those of us who couldn't make it ! |
| 21:57.58 | RST38h | alterego:It will be Intel's conference. |
| 21:57.59 | alterego | Admittedly that was more of a sods law feeling, as I was heading to Iceland :) |
| 21:58.08 | RST38h | alterego:So, no, no Amsterdam |
| 21:58.31 | pupnik | what's the screensize on that n9 prototype |
| 21:58.35 | RST38h | 4" |
| 21:58.40 | alterego | People are guessing 4" |
| 21:58.43 | javispedro | prolly the best part of the device.. |
| 21:58.51 | alterego | It's capacitive :P |
| 21:58.54 | javispedro | argh |
| 21:59.03 | alterego | Now what's the best part? |
| 21:59.06 | alterego | chuckles |
| 21:59.08 | pupnik | i like being able to click with gloves |
| 21:59.09 | RST38h | goes to train himself on the E7 screen |
| 21:59.11 | javispedro | thanks for ruining my good humour |
| 21:59.14 | mece | alterego, no kidding. with microsoft coming charging like 600 ton turd, I'm not feeling the maemo love from Nokia... |
| 21:59.50 | RST38h | javispedro: at least it will be multitouch |
| 21:59.55 | pupnik | i see a career in malware in my future |
| 22:00.02 | RST38h | javospedro: those damn game conrols will finally become workable |
| 22:00.07 | mece | alterego, big screen, 4 row keyboard, slim, fast, linux :) |
| 22:00.14 | lardman | pupnik: targetting Iranian centrifuges? |
| 22:00.16 | javispedro | pupnik: go directly to jail. do not pass go. do not collect $200 ;) |
| 22:00.23 | alterego | mece: I'd say that's a lot of love where it counts |
| 22:00.39 | pupnik | javispedro: no, just badly written software for wp7 so people will go 'THIS SUCKS!' |
| 22:00.42 | alterego | If the device is as refined as it looks in the adverts, I think it'll be a nice thing to see. |
| 22:00.53 | mece | alterego, well if we and by we I mean I, can get our hands on the thing, then it's ok. |
| 22:00.55 | *** join/#maemo shamus (~shamus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) |
| 22:01.00 | lardman | it'll be nice to see no matter what |
| 22:01.00 | javispedro | pupnik: have you been doing this "job" already? because I see people already saying wp7 sucks ;) |
| 22:01.09 | lardman | lol |
| 22:01.12 | mece | wp7 sucks! |
| 22:01.14 | pupnik | :) |
| 22:01.19 | mece | I think it's a fair assumption |
| 22:01.25 | pupnik | i ar winning |
| 22:01.27 | alterego | mece: I'd ignore tmo, in Nokias eyes a developer is anyone that wants to buy the device for development. |
| 22:01.40 | mece | yay, that's me! |
| 22:01.55 | alterego | mece: and I think people are getting confused about the few that Nokia tend to give out cheap to platform and application developers with the ones that are paid for full price by noirmnal consumers. |
| 22:02.00 | alterego | They're not different devices. |
| 22:02.12 | javispedro | alterego: you can hope the same crazy head who decided to send those forum nokia freebies will also be around this team |
| 22:02.17 | alterego | And Elop and the other guy said explicitiy there will be a meego device later this year. |
| 22:02.20 | mece | alterego, no, but people are claiming they are infact different in this case. |
| 22:02.22 | alterego | To me "a" means one. |
| 22:02.23 | RST38h | javispedro: WP7 does not need pupnik to suck. |
| 22:02.36 | RST38h | Handles the job on its own, quite admirably |
| 22:02.43 | javispedro | indeed. |
| 22:02.50 | alterego | mece: those threads are so noisy someone whispers "dev device" and everyone suddenly thinks there are two |
| 22:03.05 | alterego | Someone mentions "but there was a rumour 6 months ago that we wouldn't have a keyboard" |
| 22:03.13 | mece | wait, does pupnik suck on his own, or were you referring to wp7? |
| 22:03.24 | alterego | So now the _other_ fictional device doesn't have a keyboard. |
| 22:03.24 | RST38h | alterego: In Nokia's eyes, a developer is anyone the manager responsible for developer relations deems a developer |
| 22:03.41 | alterego | RST38h: good point, I never had an N900 DDP ... |
| 22:03.42 | RST38h | alterego: This may vary from conference attendees to Forum Nokia members |
| 22:03.47 | alterego | My karma was too low apparently :) |
| 22:03.52 | RST38h | completely random |
| 22:04.07 | alterego | I don't think Forum Nokia had anything to do with Maemo in the past. |
| 22:04.07 | lardman | alterego: you need to lay off the fly swat |
| 22:04.27 | alterego | Can't see that happening now either. |
| 22:04.28 | RST38h | lardman: And get the RAID? |
| 22:04.36 | alterego | Except maybe to drum up more interest in MeeGo |
| 22:04.41 | javispedro | naively kills a damn stupid fly |
| 22:04.43 | lardman | well perhaps one gets more karma for a quick death...? |
| 22:05.03 | RST38h | Anyway, it doesnot make sense to speculate. Let us wait and see. |
| 22:05.04 | alterego | lardman: I don't understand what you mean about the flies :P |
| 22:05.31 | alterego | Or is it a metaphor for this "shitty" situation? ;) |
| 22:05.32 | mece | alterego, well you have plenty of karma now :) |
| 22:05.47 | alterego | Really? I thought it was still like 180 or something |
| 22:05.50 | lardman | alterego: you know reincarnation, karma and all that |
| 22:05.52 | alterego | I swear it never changes. |
| 22:05.55 | mece | alterego, tswindell? |
| 22:05.59 | alterego | mece: yes |
| 22:06.01 | mece | http://maemo.org/profile/view/tswindell/ |
| 22:06.04 | mece | 450 |
| 22:06.12 | alterego | pfft, that's f'all |
| 22:06.22 | mece | alterego, 100 was needed last time... |
| 22:06.31 | alterego | I think it was actually 300 |
| 22:06.38 | mece | I'm pretty sure it was 100 |
| 22:06.44 | alterego | Or 250, certainly more than 100 |
| 22:07.00 | mece | hm whatever. you are in the top 100 karma class at least. |
| 22:07.06 | alterego | Wow, I've got 220 points from ITT thanks?! |
| 22:07.17 | javispedro | karma is more worthless than ever though |
| 22:07.18 | alterego | Nice. |
| 22:07.23 | alterego | Indeed |
| 22:07.30 | alterego | They wont make the karma mistake again |
| 22:07.37 | alterego | Intel have a nice ninja programme |
| 22:07.51 | SpeedEvil | 502. Almost meaningless. |
| 22:07.58 | lardman | if you survive you get a device? |
| 22:07.59 | alterego | I signed up for the intel app up developer thing on Sunday |
| 22:08.18 | alterego | I hope they give out exopc's like they have at the others' .. |
| 22:08.20 | alterego | chuckles |
| 22:08.28 | javispedro | exopcs? |
| 22:08.35 | javispedro | I've only seen more lenovos |
| 22:08.56 | alterego | They're basically the same as a wetab |
| 22:09.05 | alterego | But normally come with WP7 |
| 22:09.12 | javispedro | *W7 |
| 22:09.27 | alterego | Intel buy them cheap, stick meego tablet on it and have been handing them out at App Up developer workshops |
| 22:09.37 | alterego | Yeah, W7, sorry, freudian slip |
| 22:11.50 | mece | lardman, LOL! |
| 22:14.01 | javispedro | so the Mono guy now started his own Mono company? Maybe he wants to be bought out by Microsoft... |
| 22:14.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 22:14.56 | javispedro | laughs briefly at the idea... |
| 22:15.25 | pupnik | Say's Law: production is the means whereby we empower ourselves to purchase other things |
| 22:15.27 | mece | hehehe I like how daperl changed his avatar to a pic from the leaked video :D |
| 22:16.12 | javispedro | heh |
| 22:16.23 | javispedro | I bet that will all the leaked stuff registrations to meegoconf will now be filling _fast_ |
| 22:16.56 | pupnik | maybe |
| 22:17.39 | alterego | Heh, there's a sign on the sf2011 site, "Oh, so _NOW_ you want to come to the conference ... " |
| 22:18.03 | javispedro | that would be frigging hilarious |
| 22:18.13 | pupnik | do you guys use hdparm -S on laptops? |
| 22:18.37 | mece | javispedro, yep. actually there was a tweet about that: @MeeGoConference: Registrations are filling up fast. If you want to attend #MeeGoConf, register now before we are full! |
| 22:18.37 | alterego | pupnik: you mean sleep? |
| 22:18.37 | alterego | No, |
| 22:18.37 | pupnik | ywa |
| 22:18.40 | pupnik | yea |
| 22:18.49 | alterego | Spin down pisses me off |
| 22:18.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | not anymore |
| 22:18.56 | javispedro | pupnik: my laptop has one of the stupid western dig. hdds that tends to spin down after every 5 seconds of idleness |
| 22:18.59 | mece | pupnik, damn, it's late. I need to hfparm -S on myself |
| 22:19.06 | alterego | Especially considering how Ubuntu fucked it up for about 2 releases. |
| 22:19.23 | javispedro | pupnik: so I use hdparm -B to disable it when I cannot stand the visible UI pauses while the disk spins up any more |
| 22:19.26 | pupnik | i kind of like fan off, drive off |
| 22:19.31 | alterego | My load cycle count probably did the equivalent of 10 years in a week. |
| 22:19.31 | pupnik | hmm |
| 22:19.41 | javispedro | ah, load cycle. |
| 22:19.45 | javispedro | *s |
| 22:20.03 | pupnik | makes the thinkpad feel like an arm device with no moving parts |
| 22:20.10 | SpeedEvil | 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 151 151 000 Old_age Always - 148103 |
| 22:20.11 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 22:20.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | is killing HDD |
| 22:20.25 | javispedro | funny story. After a brief email exchange with the WD hdd support guy about how their stupid 5 seconds idle timer was making the load cycle count go over the roof |
| 22:20.30 | pupnik | how do i see the number of spinups |
| 22:20.45 | javispedro | I basically decided to end by saying "Ok, I will do nothing about it. If the disk dies early, I'm going to shove it up your ass." |
| 22:20.47 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: smartctl -a /dev/whatever |
| 22:20.54 | javispedro | and he basically agreed... |
| 22:21.14 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Well - disk drives are getting smaller, and with less protrusions. |
| 22:21.15 | alterego | javispedro: :) |
| 22:21.28 | pupnik | 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 001 001 000 |
| 22:21.41 | javispedro | is already preparing some petrolium jelly for when the inevitable happens... |
| 22:21.47 | javispedro | I wouldn't want to be that guy... |
| 22:21.51 | SpeedEvil | Then of course there are microSDs. |
| 22:22.08 | alterego | pupnik: doesn't look like you've got smart enabled. |
| 22:22.10 | lardman | SpeedEvil: is it a 2.5" or a 3.5" though, that's the real sticking point, so to speak |
| 22:22.23 | alterego | pupnik: or your HDD is really dodgy :P |
| 22:22.26 | SpeedEvil | I find it mind-boggling that you can swallow a terabyte of storage in one gulp. |
| 22:22.51 | pupnik | llol lardman |
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| 22:23.10 | pupnik | how about a quantum 'bigfoot' drive |
| 22:23.20 | lardman | ouch |
| 22:23.22 | SpeedEvil | I have a couple of those somewhere. |
| 22:23.31 | Kilroo | SpeedEvil: I would want some kind of a casing or sauce or something, or that could really hurt. |
| 22:23.39 | SpeedEvil | Also a 60M double-height SCSI. |
| 22:23.41 | lardman | sauce! lol |
| 22:23.51 | lardman | chocolate perhaps? |
| 22:23.54 | ShadowJK | it makes sense, 001 is one step away from failure |
| 22:24.10 | SpeedEvil | Kilroo: I was meaning for example 30 32G microSDs. |
| 22:24.20 | Kilroo | SpeedEvil: So was I. |
| 22:24.49 | Kilroo | I have a 32G microSD. It has sharp corners. |
| 22:25.00 | Kilroo | Oh! |
| 22:25.20 | Kilroo | I need to go thank that thread where they posted the fixed drivers so the damn thing would work. |
| 22:25.53 | mece | SpeedEvil, are your bigfoot drives still working? they were the crappiest drives ever. Lasted about a week in my computer at the time iirc. |
| 22:26.09 | pupnik | almost bankrupted the company mece |
| 22:26.17 | mece | pupnik, yep |
| 22:26.22 | SpeedEvil | mece: Stopped working after I dropped the computer onto concrete. |
| 22:27.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh! shouldn't, really |
| 22:27.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-P |
| 22:28.37 | Kilroo | I'm trying to decide which project to work on after dinner...installing debian on my new Archos101, or seeing if I can get it to tether to my n900 for internet and use my n900+Columbus for GPS at the same time |
| 22:28.55 | Kilroo | When what I should be doing is cooking dinner first and worrying about that later. |
| 22:28.58 | javispedro | finishes answering tmo private messages... booooooooooring |
| 22:29.08 | SpeedEvil | If you plug it in with USB tethering, it 'just works'. |
| 22:30.04 | alterego | People actually use Columbus? |
| 22:30.10 | lardman | bed time, nice chatting chaps, catch you on the morrow |
| 22:30.13 | Kilroo | SpeedEvil: Well, using it for GPS over Bluetooth worked pretty easily once I figured out where Android expects you to tell it you have a bluetooth GPS for it to connect to. |
| 22:30.15 | javispedro | cya lardman |
| 22:30.18 | javispedro | alterego: you bet! |
| 22:30.38 | alterego | feels guilty he's neglected it for so long |
| 22:30.50 | javispedro | (though /me prefers less flashy graphics) |
| 22:30.56 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:31.03 | SpeedEvil | I used it once or twice on the bus. |
| 22:31.44 | alterego | People catually use the USB tethering in Columbus?! |
| 22:31.49 | Kilroo | alterego: I googled how to use my n900 as a bluetooth GPS for another device, and Columbus came up via a post along the lines of "Awesome, a replacement for the minigpsd that I can't install." |
| 22:32.03 | alterego | Hah |
| 22:32.06 | Kilroo | I didn't have a usb cable with me so I did bluetooth instead of usb though. |
| 22:32.20 | alterego | Yeah, those -devel packages are still broken |
| 22:32.25 | alterego | -testing even .. |
| 22:32.30 | mece | alterego, now that qtm12 is out you could pimp columbus with some maps :) |
| 22:32.37 | alterego | I promise I'll make a release shorty after SF ;) |
| 22:32.49 | Kilroo | And I have not yet gotten the "let me share my ipv6 beta connection" scripts for usb and bluetooth from google code |
| 22:33.02 | alterego | mece: I had something slightly contemporary in the way of maps planned. |
| 22:33.11 | Kilroo | I have the mobilehotspot clone one but I haven't gotten it working yet. |
| 22:33.21 | mece | alterego, well takes about 5 lines of qml to show the map ;) |
| 22:33.28 | alterego | mece: though using qtm for maps will probably be a part of it. |
| 22:33.32 | mece | loves qml |
| 22:33.39 | javispedro | requiring connectivity would make this way less useful |
| 22:33.55 | alterego | mece: this is what we're demoing at SF: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/meego/screenshots/handset/ |
| 22:34.02 | alterego | It's my QML based dialer application :) |
| 22:34.12 | alterego | Ignore first and last screenshot .. |
| 22:34.24 | javispedro | goes directly to first screenshots |
| 22:34.27 | Kilroo | I will admit, though, that for what I've done with it so far Columbus could just as well be a daemon I could toggle through the status menu or something. |
| 22:34.56 | SpeedEvil | ponders a 'Bounce' based dialer. |
| 22:34.59 | mece | javispedro, columbus? |
| 22:35.14 | javispedro | mece: yep, maps |
| 22:35.26 | mece | javispedro, obviously it shouldn't be a requirement |
| 22:35.35 | javispedro | it uses the ovimaps data? |
| 22:35.53 | alterego | Kilroo: well, they are just plugins |
| 22:35.56 | mece | javispedro, at least if you put "nokia" as the plugin |
| 22:36.02 | javispedro | nice to know! |
| 22:36.05 | alterego | Kilroo: I was planning on doing different use case types like that at some point. |
| 22:37.31 | alterego | Kilroo: so yeah, basically desktop widgets and standalone service plugins. |
| 22:37.35 | alterego | But I got distracted. |
| 22:37.43 | Kilroo | alterego: Cool. For the time being, though, assuming I do get both interwebs and gps connected between the devices at the same time, yay I get to try Google Navigation on a 10 inch screen. |
| 22:37.46 | javispedro | TMO has gone so downhill that I bet posts about android now add to a sizable amount. |
| 22:38.09 | alterego | javispedro: I think the largest thread is that android one |
| 22:38.13 | Kilroo | And I can definitely understand getting distracted. Kudos for getting distracted at a point where stuff actually works. |
| 22:38.34 | *** join/#maemo rm_you (~Adam@72-48-68-89.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 22:38.41 | alterego | Kilroo: well, after you actually manage to install it ;) |
| 22:39.00 | javispedro | Kilroo: that's most open source software for you! problem appears, developers solves the problem, creates gigantic plans of future development for the little project, wanders off |
| 22:39.13 | javispedro | is starting to realize that he is repeating such cycle too... |
| 22:39.20 | Kilroo | Now that I have an android tablet I feel considerably less motivated to see whether I'd brick my phone trying to make nitdroid use uboot... |
| 22:39.20 | mece | javispedro, there are posts about android on tmo? |
| 22:39.50 | javispedro | mece: there's a lot of NitDroid questions. 10% of the PMs I got were about android. |
| 22:40.07 | javispedro | (can you port this to androidthis or help me doing X on nitdroidthat) |
| 22:40.09 | Kilroo | alterego: Manage? I selected it in fapman and it installed...I've done that at least three times, the most recent being when I actually had something to use it for...never had any difficulties. |
| 22:40.10 | alterego | javispedro: why are they sending you questions about android? |
| 22:40.15 | mece | javispedro, I've so shut out everything android that I don't even notice that stuff |
| 22:40.29 | javispedro | alterego: the question I always ask myself is: why they do send me PMs? |
| 22:40.32 | alterego | Kilroo: oh, I think it was an issue when you upgraded from the last release. |
| 22:40.40 | alterego | javispedro: I get hardly any. |
| 22:40.49 | alterego | The occasional one about "How did you get Columbus to do this" |
| 22:40.55 | javispedro | alterego: I am way too friendly on other boards... |
| 22:41.00 | alterego | "Do you want to work for me?" |
| 22:41.16 | alterego | "Can I have your babies" |
| 22:41.20 | alterego | "Where did you go?!" |
| 22:41.31 | pupnik | you released emulators |
| 22:41.32 | javispedro | I know that music indeed. |
| 22:41.53 | alterego | "Why don't you answer my calls anymore?!" |
| 22:42.02 | alterego | "I'm standing outside your window .... " |
| 22:43.13 | javispedro | (if anyone reads the logs, and wonders if I'm talking about his PM: if you're reading the IRC logs, you are very probably not the kind of person I'm complaining about) |
| 22:44.20 | mece | oh man, speaking of android, did you see the N8 vs Atrix video on youtube? |
| 22:44.43 | Kilroo | I am now imagining someone just sitting and reading through IRC logs for hours |
| 22:44.50 | mece | LOL |
| 22:44.58 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:45.02 | Kilroo | It was hard to imagine until I realized I could very easily end up doing so under certain circumstances |
| 22:45.23 | javispedro | Kilroo: "tvtropes^W#maemo irc logs will ruin your life" |
| 22:46.50 | javispedro | mece: just saw the video. the nvidia tegra sucks as expected =) |
| 22:47.02 | pupnik | explain javispedro ? |
| 22:47.04 | mece | javispedro, yeah, that is just embarassing. |
| 22:47.16 | mece | pupnik, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6hienXEd0Y |
| 22:47.33 | mece | pupnik, we're talking 2x1000Mhz vs 680Mhz processors here :D:D:D |
| 22:47.53 | javispedro | pupnik: there was a lot of complaining here about how embarrasingly slow the tegra1 was when compared to virtually any other arm core |
| 22:48.16 | mece | javispedro, you think it's just the processor? |
| 22:48.18 | pupnik | n8 doesnt use tegra1 |
| 22:48.27 | javispedro | pupnik: watch the video |
| 22:48.42 | pupnik | kk |
| 22:49.05 | javispedro | (the atrix iirc uses tegra2) |
| 22:49.22 | mece | I don't really care about symbian, other than the fact they use Qt, so I can make stuff for them, but that video just feels like victory :D |
| 22:49.31 | mece | is not a fan of android |
| 22:50.15 | Kilroo | is not a fan of android or iOS either, but is something of a fan of Words with Friends, particularly since none of his friends seem interested in wabble.org |
| 22:50.17 | alterego | It's thmb and doesn't have hardfp |
| 22:50.18 | ds3 | except the tegra2 is crippled |
| 22:50.22 | alterego | ~thumb |
| 22:50.22 | infobot | Configurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/ |
| 22:51.17 | pupnik | hey nice video ty |
| 22:51.33 | mece | dammit infobot! That url goes nowhere! |
| 22:54.02 | javispedro | ponders going to bed early.. |
| 22:54.11 | javispedro | or playing some portal2... |
| 22:55.11 | pupnik | see the second keynes vs hayek video? |
| 22:55.19 | pupnik | btw nice big screen on the motorola |
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| 22:58.55 | pupnik | the fight continues |
| 23:02.02 | javispedro | well, gnite folks. a pleasure to see the lights are still running here ... ;) |
| 23:04.49 | pupnik | cua |
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| 23:13.20 | mece | gah what the hell am I still doing here! Damn all these rumors, keeping me up late! |
| 23:15.31 | ShadowJK | N8x0 "has" hardfp :) |
| 23:15.50 | ShadowJK | it's an ABI thing more than a hw thing |
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| 23:32.13 | alterego | ShadowJK: it's a hardware thing with the tegra |
| 23:32.33 | alterego | The tegra core can't do hardfp |
| 23:36.53 | GAN900 | Tegra sux |
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| 23:41.23 | pupnik | why was the motorola so slow in picture zooming |
| 23:43.08 | alterego | Poor coding, poor floating point |
| 23:43.08 | alterego | Could be a number of things |
| 23:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.eye.fi/products/mobilex2 nice SD card |
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| 23:48.51 | SpeedEvil | Those have been around for ages. |
| 23:49.17 | SpeedEvil | There are IIRC cracks to make them work 'properly' |
| 23:49.26 | SpeedEvil | without the eye-fi server in the middle. |
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| 23:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, a SitM |
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| 23:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | annoying shit |
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