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| 00:11.18 | Macer | are there any maemo4 repos? |
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| 00:14.24 | Macer | oh... nm |
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| 01:32.25 | djszapiN900 | has anybody tried to do an internet connection sharing from fremantle to the laptop without customized kernel ? |
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| 01:50.49 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:51.19 | SpeedEvil | bring USB-network connection up manually, and then use socks-proxy through ssh |
| 01:51.49 | SpeedEvil | Or just select 'pc-suite' mode when plugged in, and treat it as a normal USB modem |
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| 02:49.27 | JZA | hi how can I tether the n900 on Mandriva linux |
| 02:50.50 | JZA | I do get the usb N900 as well as an alternative port but none of the get's it |
| 02:52.28 | SpeedEvil | Plug it in, select 'pc suite' mode. |
| 02:52.36 | SpeedEvil | then set it up as any other 3g modem |
| 02:53.00 | JZA | SpeedEvil: great, I never set up a 3g modem |
| 02:53.02 | JZA | :) |
| 02:53.07 | SpeedEvil | No idea. |
| 02:53.10 | JZA | like I said I found 2 interfaces |
| 02:53.19 | JZA | usb0 and another one |
| 02:53.22 | SpeedEvil | I did it last time with pppd, and /etc/ |
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| 02:53.58 | SpeedEvil | Google to find out how to setup a 3g modem. It should appear as /dev/ttyACM0 I think. |
| 02:54.09 | SpeedEvil | Though the name may vary |
| 02:55.28 | JZA | SpeedEvil: will do, thanks |
| 02:57.34 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - no idea how to set it up 'normally' - I used pppd and /etc/pppd/peers/* |
| 02:57.56 | JZA | seems this might work http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?p=560159#p560159 |
| 02:58.04 | JZA | well I can try pppd |
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| 04:14.22 | Macer | well... maemo4 ftw |
| 04:14.32 | Macer | back in the days where it was done right |
| 04:14.43 | Macer | :) |
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| 04:54.46 | robbiethe1st | lo |
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| 05:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | lo |
| 05:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: (maemo4 ftw) for tethering modem to mandrax linux? |
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| 06:18.36 | Dantonic | hey guys what's the cli command to turn to "phone mode" and to "tablet mode?" |
| 06:20.08 | Dantonic | is there one? |
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| 06:26.37 | cehteh | Dantonic: the app which does this switch issues serveral dbus commands iirc, figure out with the source |
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| 06:27.40 | cehteh | (or dbus monitor) |
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| 06:42.20 | Dantonic | cehteh how do I monitor dbus? do I have to install an app? |
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| 06:43.41 | inz | Dantonic, with dbus-monitor, iirc included in stock image |
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| 06:45.53 | Dantonic | inz not sure do I just call dbus-monitor in terminal and then select tablet mode? |
| 06:47.25 | inz | Dantonic, something like dbus-monitor --system type=method_call might do the trick |
| 06:47.46 | inz | Dantonic, google gives you man page for more options |
| 06:52.32 | Dantonic | inz I entered that command and it shows changes when I change from tablet to phone or viceversa... I'm just not sure that those are commands |
| 06:52.51 | Dantonic | I'm not too savvy with linux |
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| 07:14.04 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: hahah |
| 07:14.15 | Macer | damn. i just found it and it took a dive |
| 07:14.40 | Macer | i had it in my jacket pocket and it slid out.. slid down something... and smacked right into the ground |
| 07:14.55 | Macer | the rails are a little messed up now :-( |
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| 07:15.17 | Macer | and it got a little scratched.. not the screen but the casing a bit |
| 07:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | are you talking about N8x0? |
| 07:15.31 | Macer | yeah |
| 07:15.48 | Macer | had it been my htc and not a nokia it would have shattered into pieces |
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| 07:16.19 | Macer | i hate nokia a lot nowadays.. but they do make sturdy stuff |
| 07:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | throws a few Freerunner pucks at Macer |
| 07:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | used to drop them 180cm to concrete, just for fun |
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| 07:20.05 | Macer | i like my n810 tho |
| 07:20.12 | Macer | even if it runs maemo4 |
| 07:20.15 | Macer | :) |
| 07:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | (I probably wouldn't have done this if I hadn't built them and had to pay for each device) |
| 07:20.36 | Macer | it is the only device that doesnt run symbian that works properly with my su8w |
| 07:20.59 | Macer | i might just go ahead and get a new bt keyboard |
| 07:21.16 | Macer | something that works properly with my g2 |
| 07:21.30 | Macer | since the n900 doesnt seem to like my su8w |
| 07:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | I actually wonder how hard it can be to get fremantle on N8x0 |
| 07:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | sips his second coffee |
| 07:22.00 | Macer | probably impossible and not worth it |
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| 07:22.36 | Macer | im debating getting the meego phone when it comes out.. or if really |
| 07:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~su8w |
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| 07:22.50 | Macer | heh |
| 07:23.07 | Macer | i got the su8w for my n95 back in the symbian days |
| 07:23.20 | Macer | when symbian wasnt a bad os to have on a phone |
| 07:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~wiki su8w |
| 07:23.54 | Macer | ~wiki su-8w |
| 07:24.01 | Macer | wow |
| 07:24.13 | Macer | ~wiki nokia su-8w |
| 07:24.19 | Macer | wtf |
| 07:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 07:24.25 | Macer | ah well |
| 07:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
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| 07:27.39 | Dantonic | hey any of u familiar with dbus send commands? |
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| 07:28.13 | Dantonic | trying to figure out how to send a command to turn off cellular radio |
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| 07:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | phonecontrol wiki |
| 07:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | Dantonic: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
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| 07:35.23 | cehteh | Dantonic: didnt dbus-monitor yield anything useable? |
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| 07:38.14 | Dantonic | cehteh it yields information of what's going on, just trying to figure out how to turn it into a command |
| 07:39.02 | Macer | hm. looks like i found an actual android bt kb |
| 07:39.31 | Dantonic | like this |
| 07:39.32 | cehteh | Dantonic: dbus-send |
| 07:39.34 | Dantonic | signal sender=:1.19 -> dest=(null destination) serial=6787 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=cellular_system_state_change |
| 07:39.39 | Dantonic | byte 0 |
| 07:39.39 | Macer | wow. if i find a damn cups app and an office suite that does od then im in business |
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| 07:40.01 | Dantonic | so I need to change that setting to byte 0 for it to be turned off |
| 07:40.08 | Dantonic | byte 1 is 2G |
| 07:40.14 | Dantonic | byte 2 is 3g |
| 07:40.28 | Dantonic | but idk how to turn that into a command |
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| 07:40.42 | cehteh | doesnt know the details, only the tools, i would have to figure out whats exactly going on too |
| 07:41.17 | cehteh | Dantonic: another way would be to get the source of the tablet/phone switching app and make a commandline tool out of it |
| 07:41.31 | cehteh | a bit C hacking i assume :) (i dont even know if its implemented in C) |
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| 07:42.54 | Dantonic | ya I'll probe around some more maybe I can find that code |
| 07:43.00 | Dantonic | thanks for your help |
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| 07:47.40 | cehteh | Dantonic: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=cell-modem-ui;a=blob;f=etc/systemui/cell-modem-ui.xml;h=bb4e9274d6c72355437b4fb18c26fa1d666d0b21;hb=26698f2fb1eb27989ce4a0cf53a7119fd780b771 |
| 07:48.01 | cehteh | not an app at all, just a config option for systemui |
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| 07:48.18 | cehteh | but this can be easily turned into a dbus-send script |
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| 07:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | Dantonic: you seen the link I gave you?? |
| 07:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if he +q himself :-/ |
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| 07:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | really, no more spoon feeding available here |
| 07:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | even the URL was exactly to the point |
| 07:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
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| 08:23.18 | Dantonic | thanks I saved those links, I'll check them out in the morning |
| 08:23.24 | Dantonic | ty very much |
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| 08:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | remoos |
| 08:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: why do you suggest some xml code when somebody is asking a simple dbus-send cmd question? Something missing that I missed to notice, on phone_control? |
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| 08:42.02 | eichi | hello ;) on n900 maemo. how do you do contacts like doctor? just first name "doctor <firstname> and on lasname the lastname? |
| 08:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | btw what dantonic pasted here was a dbus-SIGNAL, which usually isn't worth anything for giving commands. Signals are 1 to many broadcasts without response, easy to tell by "signal" and "dest=(null destination) |
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| 08:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Enable_cellular_radio: >>dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:true<< |
| 08:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | soory folks, grumpy mood today |
| 08:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | eichi: good question. I'm still without any decent standard for that |
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| 08:48.51 | chem|st | re |
| 08:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | eichi: luckily (at least pr1.3) contacts search does instring matches just fine, at least for first- and last-name |
| 08:51.15 | chem|st | eichi: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 08:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | so <firstname>Dentist</firstname> <lastname>Smith, Dr.</lastname> is found by searchstr "dr" |
| 08:51.29 | chem|st | Dr. Samuel Jackson |
| 08:51.56 | trx | can be found like Dr S too i think |
| 08:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if <company> is searched as well |
| 08:52.48 | chem|st | I sort by surname and put anything sorting by in front of it |
| 08:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | alas number at least is NOT searchable (a PITA sometimes) |
| 08:54.21 | chem|st | in your case <lastname>doctor who</lastname> |
| 08:54.58 | chem|st | so you get in portrait mode all doctor sorted in "D" |
| 08:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | as there are no sub-addrbooks, I even got entries like <lastname>ttt query account</lastname> <number>*103#</number>, where ttt stands for "technical&admin" |
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| 08:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'll find it nicely listed among other ttt, when looking at "t" in sort order, but also can search for "balance" |
| 08:56.36 | chem|st | company abreviations I use like DocScrutinizer uses his "ttt" |
| 08:56.39 | eichi | DocScrutinizer okay thanks. but fact is, dr. or dr. dent. should be in the NAME ;) |
| 08:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | s/balance/account/ |
| 08:57.27 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: just put balance as firstname so you find both^^ as you get irritated by writing it here already! |
| 08:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, there's fieldname "profession" and "company", but no "title" |
| 08:58.55 | chem|st | mmh lmc if it searches for it |
| 08:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: actually it's been a beautified makeup |
| 08:59.25 | chem|st | hehe |
| 08:59.37 | chem|st | nope it only searches for names |
| 08:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's firstname Konto, lastname ttt |
| 09:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | and the missing search in "comment" field is a real major flaw and PITA |
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| 09:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | the whole contact app is so plain vanilla without any advanced functions, it could only get better when opening up the source |
| 09:01.51 | chem|st | +1 |
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| 09:03.11 | eichi | hm, and adress should be work with maemo mappers ;) i dont like the avi maps thing |
| 09:03.12 | chem|st | at least some functionality is available |
| 09:03.36 | chem|st | eichi: you can script that your own |
| 09:03.59 | eichi | okay. is this python somewhere= |
| 09:04.02 | eichi | ? |
| 09:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, like a nasty hack to get ringtone per contact into it, but only via app menu and not as a proper field in the contact |
| 09:04.29 | chem|st | idk but the location api does support all kind of extraction and conversion |
| 09:04.33 | eichi | do you all use avi maps or maemo mappers? |
| 09:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | s/avi/OVI/ ? |
| 09:05.01 | eichi | ops, yes ;) |
| 09:05.02 | chem|st | mappero - columbus |
| 09:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | mappero, marble |
| 09:05.20 | chem|st | onshore - offshore |
| 09:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, I'm missing the integration into contacts |
| 09:05.54 | chem|st | some setup defaults file would be nice |
| 09:06.34 | chem|st | like default browser default mplayer default maps-app etc |
| 09:07.38 | eichi | oh, i should try marble too. only use it on desktop at the moment |
| 09:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if there isn't such a thing already |
| 09:08.01 | eichi | i just thought, marble would be very slow on n900 |
| 09:08.09 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I don't know about changing the dbus calls |
| 09:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | nach, it's quite nice |
| 09:08.29 | eichi | k, i will give it a try |
| 09:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | might be related to mimetypes |
| 09:09.04 | chem|st | street address is a mimetype? |
| 09:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 09:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 09:09.21 | chem|st | ;) |
| 09:09.43 | chem|st | its the dbuscall behind that button |
| 09:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | geo-coords might be though |
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| 09:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | and afaik geo-coords is what contacts stores to a contact, to refer to map |
| 09:10.28 | chem|st | the location api is bound to ovi-maps afair |
| 09:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: well, there are dbus policies ;-) |
| 09:11.15 | chem|st | no the address is stored in plain text and gets geo-coords via a dbus call |
| 09:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | forbid contacts to talk to location, and use dbus-scripting to fire up whatever you want instead |
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| 09:13.04 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: (stored plain text) right |
| 09:13.07 | chem|st | both ways should be made available in some tools, a workaround would be a "mapstarter" as the contacts ar readable |
| 09:14.02 | chem|st | so you read from contacts and whatever the map-tool you like reads gets converted by a dbus call |
| 09:14.27 | chem|st | the location api converts in both ways |
| 09:14.52 | chem|st | from coords to streetaddress and the other way round |
| 09:15.26 | chem|st | afair "show" starts the ovi-map |
| 09:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | "show"? |
| 09:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | wonders where he seen the 'geo address' added as tuple of coords to the contact. Must've been winmoob6 |
| 09:18.07 | chem|st | ShowPlaceGeo on interface com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider |
| 09:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | aka route66 |
| 09:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 09:18.37 | chem|st | if you know how to change MapProvider |
| 09:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | navigation. is evidently OVI maps app |
| 09:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | you can try via .desktop edit |
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| 09:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | not *exactly* mimetype, but close |
| 09:19.59 | chem|st | well we want to change the behaviour of the contacts address button right? |
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| 09:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 09:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | less nokia-maps.desktop |
| 09:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: thought we want to change the semantics/behaviour of a certain dbus message |
| 09:24.08 | chem|st | does it call from anywhere else than contacts? |
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| 09:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | possibly |
| 09:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: gconftool-2 -R /|grep -A10 '/apps/osso/navigation' |
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| 09:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: gconftool-2 -R /|grep -A4 '/apps/osso/navigation' |
| 09:33.39 | chem|st | thats the converters |
| 09:34.12 | chem|st | if we get another "service" it might work |
| 09:34.50 | chem|st | so replacing the location service with one more "configurable" |
| 09:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | well, messing up one gconf key and checking if opening ovimaps from contacts still works, that's simple enough |
| 09:35.21 | chem|st | hehe |
| 09:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | not for me ATM though, rather exhausted |
| 09:36.13 | chem|st | still? |
| 09:36.18 | chem|st | are you ill? |
| 09:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | kinda |
| 09:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | don't feel like messing with maemo system settings right now |
| 09:37.50 | chem|st | looking backwards in the irc history... it is again us two... |
| 09:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 09:43.09 | haj | SpeedEvil: did you try this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60947&page=3 |
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| 09:56.27 | Necc | afternoon |
| 09:56.59 | Necc | how i can fix broken inode table when that goodamn crappy /home is mounted and no way to umount it? |
| 09:57.30 | ruskie | use a rescue kernel |
| 09:57.36 | ruskie | iirc meego has something like that |
| 09:58.21 | Necc | ... |
| 09:58.30 | robbiethe1st | Backupmenu'd do it, IIRC |
| 09:58.43 | Necc | robbiethe1st your backupmenu fails |
| 09:59.00 | robbiethe1st | So connect it to a PC, login via terminal, and run the command yourself? |
| 09:59.10 | Necc | it says (translated) sorry i can't fix it. error code: 4 |
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| 10:00.01 | robbiethe1st | That'll be because FSCK won't fix it without user input, because it could destroy your data instead of fixing it |
| 10:00.09 | Necc | sec, i copy&paste the full error code |
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| 10:00.16 | Necc | usb networking also doesn't works |
| 10:00.21 | robbiethe1st | Uh, what? |
| 10:00.25 | robbiethe1st | why not? |
| 10:00.48 | Necc | if i would have any idea, i would know... but shortly: does it works under windows? |
| 10:00.54 | robbiethe1st | Have you configured your host PC properly? |
| 10:01.04 | robbiethe1st | Uh, it should... but it'd need some configuration. |
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| 10:01.10 | Necc | aaah damn headache... |
| 10:01.24 | Necc | there's no network device for it so nothing to configure. |
| 10:01.56 | robbiethe1st | I'd just boot your PC into a Linux LiveCD, then follow the Linux instructions |
| 10:01.57 | Necc | (under windows) |
| 10:02.11 | Necc | linux fails to load |
| 10:02.17 | Necc | it crashes right after login |
| 10:02.26 | robbiethe1st | Uh... Ubuntu LiveCD? |
| 10:02.31 | Necc | yup |
| 10:02.37 | robbiethe1st | Whjat version? |
| 10:02.46 | Necc | uhm... 9.x :D |
| 10:03.01 | robbiethe1st | Grab 10.10 |
| 10:03.42 | robbiethe1st | Either that, or go in and edit Backupmenu to do what you want: Just edit /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item (it's a shell script) |
| 10:03.54 | robbiethe1st | search for fsck and add the options you want |
| 10:05.00 | Necc | btw... fsck fails on directory structure |
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| 10:05.26 | robbiethe1st | Well, erm... I'm not sure what I can say |
| 10:05.27 | Necc | when i tried to fix it when optFS was mounted, i killed everything (-> backupmenu -> restore -> happy) |
| 10:06.29 | Necc | but it happened again -.- |
| 10:06.31 | robbiethe1st | try the following: go into backupmenu, and use the Extra functions -> Wipe optfs |
| 10:06.40 | robbiethe1st | then run fsck, then restore |
| 10:06.44 | robbiethe1st | Might work |
| 10:07.01 | Necc | i will see... |
| 10:07.05 | robbiethe1st | Alternately, go in and find the fsck line, and add "-y" to it. |
| 10:07.22 | robbiethe1st | #525 IIRC |
| 10:07.28 | robbiethe1st | (line #) |
| 10:08.15 | Necc | xD |
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| 10:08.23 | Necc | i'm so dumb that i just don't roll |
| 10:08.50 | Necc | looking for the file while phone in backupmenu mode |
| 10:09.10 | robbiethe1st | *sigh* Next version, yea, I'll add a format optfs section... |
| 10:09.37 | Necc | that's not in extras already? (extras menu) |
| 10:10.07 | robbiethe1st | I can't get it into Extras until all dependancies are there I think... |
| 10:10.17 | robbiethe1st | and I have no clue how to actually /promote/ it either |
| 10:10.24 | Necc | in extras menu under backupmenu |
| 10:10.31 | robbiethe1st | Oh |
| 10:10.33 | robbiethe1st | erm |
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| 10:10.53 | robbiethe1st | format? no. It just wipes it(rm /opt -rf basically) |
| 10:11.19 | robbiethe1st | fdisk may be loaded now, but unless you've got a serial console... no way to run it |
| 10:13.52 | Necc | fsck -p -v $backup_optFS_part_loc 2> /tmp/fsckstatus |
| 10:13.57 | Necc | this is that line right? |
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| 10:51.04 | SpeedEvil | haj: yes - that did not fix. |
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| 10:57.46 | haj | SpeedEvil: mine has just now started just saying that all communication is disabled when I boot it.... going to try another SIM later today, if that doesn't help it'll go to service... just annoying... :/ |
| 10:58.52 | SpeedEvil | It diddn't ever do communication disabled for me. |
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| 11:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | "communication disabled" sounds like post-boot flashing to me |
| 11:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | haj: do you by any chance use the USA version of fiasco image? |
| 11:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | when flashing the device |
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| 11:08.06 | rd | I just read the n900 spec on the German Nokia page: it says 280h standby time for GSM, 250h UMTS (3G). Does anybody get close to that? |
| 11:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 11:08.35 | rd | how do you get that? |
| 11:08.43 | rd | What do you disable, switch-off? |
| 11:09.03 | ruskie | I get 4 days idle time |
| 11:09.24 | ruskie | with auto disconnect, and switch to 2g when not in use |
| 11:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | leaving device alone, on a place with good 2G signal, locked to 2G, no app or crap running, no APN configured, no data |
| 11:09.59 | jacekowski | rd: it's like with car fuel consumption figures |
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| 11:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | no autoconnectiong to any wlan or GPRS! |
| 11:10.15 | ruskie | but 10 days... I don't think so... |
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| 11:10.31 | rd | how do you switch to 2g? |
| 11:10.51 | ruskie | you can select it someplace under settings iirc |
| 11:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | err, got some applet for that |
| 11:10.53 | rd | I think I can only choose between UMTS and GSM. |
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| 11:11.00 | ruskie | gsm == 2g |
| 11:11.11 | ruskie | but there is an app that will keep it 2g until you initiate a data connectiong |
| 11:11.18 | rd | isn't gsm==2g or 2.5g ? |
| 11:11.19 | ruskie | then switch to 3.5/3g |
| 11:11.23 | ruskie | edge is 2.5 |
| 11:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | 2.5 is data, you won't see it as long as not connected to an APN |
| 11:11.51 | edheldil | 2g is less secure, though |
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| 11:12.32 | ruskie | if you consider any phone network secure then you have other problems |
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| 11:12.41 | rd | ah....ok. |
| 11:12.42 | chem|st | ruskie: +1 |
| 11:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | oh yeah, almost as insecure as your DSL wires running to the exchange, way safer than WEP though |
| 11:13.35 | edheldil | Look at a GSM hacking defcon video :-P |
| 11:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | I almost *did* that video ;-P |
| 11:14.13 | rd | How much difference is between auto-disconnect and no APN configured? |
| 11:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | a lot |
| 11:15.04 | rd | Is there an Applet which allows you to quickly deconfigure and re-configure an APN? |
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| 11:15.41 | psycho_oreos | fAPN, but it doesn't do with the ones provided by your telco |
| 11:15.49 | SpeedEvil | With APN configured, GSM connected, in a not very good posiiton on the floor, I get 5 days or so. |
| 11:15.50 | psycho_oreos | s/do/deal/ |
| 11:16.13 | psycho_oreos | s/doesn't do/doesn't deal/ |
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| 11:16.41 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have experience with charges for nokia repairs if they fail to find anything wrong? |
| 11:16.45 | SpeedEvil | warranty. |
| 11:17.08 | rd | SpeedEvil, what have you done to get such a long standby time? |
| 11:17.24 | SpeedEvil | rd: nothing |
| 11:17.42 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer: ok :). How does having no apn configured makes difference against disconnected data? |
| 11:17.52 | edheldil | (just asking) |
| 11:17.52 | SpeedEvil | Don't install stuff that is active. |
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| 11:18.53 | rd | do you use auto-disconnect? |
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| 11:23.39 | rd | I install auto-disconnect and disable jabber....let me check where that brings me to. |
| 11:24.04 | SpeedEvil | jabber or any active IM will kill battery. |
| 11:24.04 | rd | What is the minimum-traffic volume for a GPRS/connection?? |
| 11:25.56 | rd | Hmm....can I configure the interval in which emails are checked in an imap account? |
| 11:27.56 | ruskie | yup |
| 11:28.44 | rd | How? Inside modest, I did not find anything. |
| 11:29.32 | rd | I found it, thanks. |
| 11:29.52 | rd | Needed to wait until if completed email check. |
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| 11:42.39 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/16/nokia_kills_ovi_brand/ <-- hmm |
| 11:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - they've been trying to do that for ages. |
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| 11:44.01 | jaska | well, i hadnt heard of ovi until someone mentioned it here |
| 11:44.30 | ruskie | they are actually rebranding it to nokia ;) |
| 11:45.34 | Macer | damn |
| 11:45.48 | Macer | i'm still a little sad inside my damn n810 took a damn dive |
| 11:45.58 | Macer | at least it isn't too damaged.. i wonder if i can find some new tracks for it |
| 11:46.04 | jaska | my n810 hung and had to be rebooted :( |
| 11:46.12 | jaska | it barely had a year of uptime |
| 11:46.16 | Macer | do they even have casings for it? |
| 11:46.28 | Macer | if i wanted to replace the exterior of it since it got scratched |
| 11:46.52 | ruskie | probably could find some third party stuff |
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| 11:47.13 | Macer | i just got my su8w hooked up to it :) |
| 11:48.40 | Macer | damn |
| 11:49.00 | Macer | to replace the parts is just as expensive as just buying a new one |
| 11:49.11 | Macer | isn't worth it just because it doesn't slide smoothly anymore heh |
| 11:50.18 | Macer | nobody hasthe aliding assembly ins tock |
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| 11:56.14 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 12:03.02 | Macer | SpeedEvil: no big deal.. i am ebaying a new used one for $50 |
| 12:03.04 | Macer | heh |
| 12:03.23 | Macer | no point in hunting down a slider assembly or parts that would make it a waste |
| 12:04.18 | Macer | places charge $30 for just the slider assembly.. the front and back got scratched pretty bad too and the kickstand is out of place.. so buying new parts for this old ass thing would be p ointless |
| 12:04.58 | Macer | the one thing that made me love the n810 was that my nokia bt keyboard worked with it out the box.. wtf happened with that option in maemo 5? |
| 12:05.14 | Macer | then the devs were total pricks when it came to bugs |
| 12:05.41 | Macer | i hope the whole lot of them got fired when ms took over the os |
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| 12:13.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | Macer, then you would have more bugs because it would be more proprietary |
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| 12:24.30 | crashanddie | GNUtoo|laptop, that's stupid. |
| 12:25.37 | GNUtoo|laptop | I think it's more a company policy issue |
| 12:25.45 | GNUtoo|laptop | if the company(nokia) don't care about bugs |
| 12:25.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | what could user do |
| 12:25.55 | GNUtoo|laptop | if they don't have the source |
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| 12:27.30 | cityLights | hi all |
| 12:27.41 | cityLights | cant find this obvius question |
| 12:28.01 | cityLights | does maemo check the rootfs on boot using fsck? |
| 12:28.14 | RST38h | Nokia finally gives Ovi brand a mercy bullet |
| 12:28.28 | cityLights | in case I had a suddun power failere - need I fsck rootfs? |
| 12:28.54 | MohammadAG | RST38h, seriously? |
| 12:29.04 | MohammadAG | cityLights, I doubt maemo even uses fsck by default |
| 12:29.07 | RST38h | Yes |
| 12:29.16 | cityLights | what? |
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| 12:29.21 | RST38h | People at their Boston research center must be packing now |
| 12:29.23 | cityLights | no more Ovi? |
| 12:29.38 | cityLights | MohammadAG: hi there |
| 12:29.56 | MohammadAG | hi |
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| 12:30.04 | cityLights | what can I do to check the rootfs in case I lost power? |
| 12:30.10 | cityLights | like taking the battary out |
| 12:30.16 | MohammadAG | RST38h, so it's Nokia App Store now? |
| 12:31.53 | MohammadAG | you don't need to do anything |
| 12:32.26 | cityLights | thanks mate |
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| 12:32.48 | cityLights | did you see the wazes version for N900? |
| 12:34.47 | cityLights | waze |
| 12:34.47 | cityLights | seem a guy in the forum made it available for us |
| 12:34.47 | cityLights | in talk.maemo.org |
| 12:34.48 | cityLights | wish I knew QT like you and could help.... |
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| 12:36.07 | MohammadAG | nope, haven't seen it |
| 12:36.08 | RST38h | Mohammad: It is Nokia Services Application Store :) |
| 12:36.16 | MohammadAG | And if you want to learn Qt, you can |
| 12:36.22 | RST38h | Mohammad: But I guess it will be Microsoft Live from now on |
| 12:37.03 | cityLights | I need a reason to learn QT |
| 12:37.07 | RST38h | cityLights: The "I wish I knew computer programming so I could help" thing is really lame, avoid it. |
| 12:37.30 | MohammadAG | Indeed, I used to say that :p |
| 12:37.37 | RST38h | If you can help, do so, otherwise keep quiet =) |
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| 12:37.51 | merlin1991 | I whis I knew how to help so I could help |
| 12:37.56 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 12:38.18 | merlin1991 | but what is waze? |
| 12:38.26 | Lynoure | cityLights: plenty of other ways to help, too. |
| 12:38.37 | RST38h | some gps app |
| 12:38.51 | MohammadAG | <RST38h> If you can help, do so, otherwise keep quiet =) |
| 12:38.56 | MohammadAG | or learn how to help |
| 12:38.59 | Lynoure | cityLights: what can you do, what kinda stuff? |
| 12:39.00 | MohammadAG | Qt is very easy |
| 12:39.39 | MohammadAG | Qt taught me C++ and C, in a way |
| 12:39.49 | RST38h | Looks liek Waze is pretty useless outside of some parts of the US where developers live |
| 12:40.29 | MohammadAG | tbh, all map applications are useless for me |
| 12:40.39 | RST38h | Mohammad: No .IL maps? |
| 12:40.52 | RST38h | I mean, NOT .IL maps at all??? |
| 12:40.57 | MohammadAG | Israel's maps are only available on iOS's google maps |
| 12:40.57 | MohammadAG | or maps.google.com |
| 12:40.58 | MohammadAG | the API doesn't show them |
| 12:41.04 | merlin1991 | ouch, according to waze I live 3 blocks from my actually house (I did put in the address) |
| 12:41.36 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: o israel maps on openstreetmap? |
| 12:41.57 | RST38h | Mohammad: Weird. Why? |
| 12:42.14 | MohammadAG | no idea, the API returns a white map |
| 12:42.20 | cityLights | I am currently finishing up this: |
| 12:42.21 | cityLights | an applet to quiet the phone when the calender sees I am in a meeting |
| 12:42.22 | cityLights | then when the meeting ends - return the profile to normal |
| 12:42.24 | RST38h | Should I ask some giigkers? |
| 12:42.24 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, no idea about that, but I doubt it |
| 12:42.28 | RST38h | googlers, sorry |
| 12:42.38 | MohammadAG | would be helpful to know tbh |
| 12:42.53 | MohammadAG | only maps.google.com and the official iPhone maps can show them |
| 12:43.03 | Macer | well |
| 12:43.10 | Macer | no su-8w layout in extkbd :( |
| 12:43.13 | MohammadAG | even maps shown through Facebook for iOS return a white map |
| 12:43.16 | Macer | wtf |
| 12:43.23 | cityLights | I made this run as a service |
| 12:43.23 | cityLights | and added a UI to start/stop it |
| 12:43.23 | cityLights | , but I still need to finish it up |
| 12:43.24 | cityLights | hope to publish this soon |
| 12:43.26 | Macer | this is like the twilight zone getting these damn keyboards to work |
| 12:43.44 | Macer | someone should sell a phone with an included bt keyboard :) |
| 12:43.58 | chem|st | Macer: there is |
| 12:44.22 | cityLights | I am so happy maemo is debian based, as start-stop-service is very helpfull |
| 12:44.24 | Macer | chem|st: do you know how i can make my enter key work on this with the phone closed? |
| 12:44.26 | chem|st | two piece slider phone where you can detach the keyboard |
| 12:44.39 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: using mappero with openstreetmap as map backend gives me maps on israel |
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| 12:44.46 | Macer | hitting enter on the keyboard brings up the vkb when the phone is closed |
| 12:44.48 | cityLights | waze = navigation with traffic updates, supplied from other users |
| 12:44.49 | Macer | it's driving me nuts. |
| 12:44.57 | Macer | disabling it makes enter do nothing at all |
| 12:44.59 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: package name is maemo-mapper |
| 12:45.15 | chem|st | Macer: no idea |
| 12:45.23 | merlin1991 | but you'll have to edit the settings, I think it uses google maps by default, but that's in the ui so easily done |
| 12:45.28 | RST38h | Mohammad: got the answer |
| 12:45.32 | chem|st | remap the key to KP_Enter |
| 12:45.40 | Macer | RST38h: where does it keep the layout? |
| 12:45.44 | chem|st | Macer: you are on a 810 right? |
| 12:45.47 | Macer | no |
| 12:45.47 | RST38h | WHO? |
| 12:45.48 | Macer | n900 |
| 12:45.55 | chem|st | mmh |
| 12:46.02 | Lynoure | cityLights: the app sounds nice. Though it would backfire on me. |
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| 12:46.24 | RST38h | Mohammad: The googler says they are restrcted by map data license |
| 12:46.25 | MohammadAG | <RST38h> WHO? was this the answer? |
| 12:46.27 | Lynoure | cityLights: Example: my meeting starts. The other person is not there yet. They call about delay/cancel. |
| 12:46.28 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 12:46.38 | MohammadAG | RST38h, oh |
| 12:46.44 | RST38h | Mohammad: They simple do not have the license right to show this data through apps |
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| 12:46.52 | Macer | RST38h: RST38h there has to be two mappings |
| 12:46.57 | Macer | one for opened qwerty and one for closed |
| 12:46.58 | RST38h | Mohammad: What about Ovi Maps data though? Is it any better? |
| 12:47.01 | flux | lynoure, wouldn't you typically take out your phone if the person doesn't seem to be there, though |
| 12:47.06 | MohammadAG | RST38h, why Israel though? |
| 12:47.08 | RST38h | Macer: Ah, that |
| 12:47.17 | Macer | would you happen to know what exactly i would have to edit in order to get it to work with it closed? |
| 12:47.25 | RST38h | Mohammad: They are getting maps from different sources. The .IL ones were licensed this way |
| 12:47.26 | chem|st | Macer: I think it works with turned of vKB |
| 12:47.29 | Macer | RST38h: yes. with the kb opened it works fine |
| 12:47.34 | chem|st | s/of/off/ |
| 12:47.36 | Macer | chem|st: no. doesn't. tried to disable it |
| 12:47.43 | chem|st | #uhm |
| 12:47.45 | RST38h | Macer: Have to admit I no longer remember, been a while since I had to tweak it |
| 12:47.55 | Macer | if i disable it the enter key won't work at all |
| 12:48.08 | Macer | if the vkb is enabled the vkb opens when pressing enter |
| 12:48.25 | chem|st | sorry do not remember how that worked |
| 12:48.32 | MohammadAG | RST38h, nah, ovi's worse |
| 12:48.51 | Macer | damn |
| 12:48.53 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: use mappero with openstreetmap :D |
| 12:49.01 | merlin1991 | I just checked and it does give me maps for israel |
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| 12:49.20 | Lynoure | flux: not right away, I'm a patient person when it comes to others |
| 12:49.30 | cityLights | Lynoure: 1. nice handle 2. I can solve that issue |
| 12:49.31 | Lynoure | flux: also, some of my meetings are phone conferences |
| 12:49.40 | cityLights | my next app will solve that issue too |
| 12:49.52 | flux | lynoure, ..even more so reason to take our your phone?-) |
| 12:49.54 | Lynoure | (or rather, scheduled phonecalls) |
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| 12:50.21 | Lynoure | flux: two separate issues. and just because I take it 'out' does not mean I make a call, sometimes I expect one. |
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| 12:50.39 | cityLights | ok, thanks MohammadAG , for the fsck advice |
| 12:50.47 | flux | lynoure, in any case, putting the phone on vibration would perhaps address that problem |
| 12:50.52 | cityLights | did anyone saw this issue I am having: |
| 12:51.04 | Lynoure | flux: yes, probably :) |
| 12:51.13 | cityLights | when I open the N900 keyboard the screen dims and power is lost |
| 12:51.21 | cityLights | the N900 shuts down |
| 12:51.39 | cityLights | this happens when battry is half |
| 12:51.49 | cityLights | is the battry dead? its a new one |
| 12:51.56 | Macer | RST38h: sucks searching tons of forums trying to find a solution |
| 12:51.57 | Macer | :) |
| 12:52.00 | Macer | there has to be an easy fix for this |
| 12:52.04 | Macer | i bet it is a one liner |
| 12:52.04 | scoobertron | I can't mount my n900 on my debian box. dmesg shows it as recognising 2 disks -sdb and sdc- but no partitions. the phone works fine and fsck on /dev/mmcblk0p1 comes in clean. any ideas? |
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| 12:54.10 | scoobertron | oh, and fdisk can't see it either. |
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| 12:54.41 | Macer | starts pounding his head on the desk |
| 12:54.44 | Macer | ugh. i will find this later |
| 12:54.46 | RST38h | Mohammad: If you have a good scan of the Israeli map, it can be used for display |
| 12:54.55 | RST38h | Mohammad: Inside Mappero at least |
| 12:55.15 | Trewas | scoobertron: there is no partition table, it mounts directly as /dev/sdx |
| 12:57.01 | scoobertron | Trewas: ok, now I feel like a fool. thanks, it worked right away. |
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| 13:05.14 | Necc | 14:28 cityLights in case I had a suddun power failere - need I fsck rootfs? -> only FAT filesystems needs such thing. In case of power faulire no files are corrupted, normally. However this is the 2-nd time when i suck with optFS, contains billions of errors and system goes slow like hell next day -.- |
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| 13:05.48 | Necc | if you want to use it, you can check manually by: fsck.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0pX -n -v |
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| 13:11.57 | Macer | omg you would think this would be the easiest thing to find |
| 13:12.13 | Macer | but evidently there aren't any clear cut instructions on how to remap the fucking key! |
| 13:12.16 | Macer | argh1@#!@ |
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| 13:18.08 | cityLights | Necc: one needs to umount before fsck |
| 13:19.38 | khertan | http://www.maemofrance.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Nokia-Handset-in-Real-Steel-Trailer-600x375.png |
| 13:19.40 | khertan | :) |
| 13:19.48 | khertan | a n950 ? |
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| 13:21.35 | khertan | http://youtu.be/T75j9CoBVzE <- 0:16 |
| 13:22.42 | cityLights | ok |
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| 13:23.08 | SpeedEvil | Looks fake. |
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| 13:33.37 | khertan | SpeedEvil: of course it s a movie :) |
| 13:33.48 | khertan | SpeedEvil: like in tron the n8 was looking fake :) |
| 13:34.10 | khertan | and the ui is surely fake :) |
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| 14:02.36 | djszapi | can I use the internet of my phone on my laptop/desktop with no customized kernel somehow ? |
| 14:02.39 | djszapi | hi btw :) |
| 14:03.26 | djszapi | it was easily viable on Symbian, but it seems to be a bit harder action on fremantle and N900. |
| 14:03.35 | Wizzup | Try Mobile Hotspot |
| 14:03.46 | djszapi | that requires custom kernel, actually. |
| 14:03.54 | Wizzup | It makes your phone a little hot, but it works. Otherwise try USB Networking |
| 14:04.02 | Wizzup | djszapi: I thought you meant kernel on the laptop/desktop ;p |
| 14:04.27 | merlin1991 | djszapi windows -> ovi suite |
| 14:04.31 | SpeedEvil | djszapi: you mean USB tethering? |
| 14:04.37 | Wizzup | was assuming he used Linux |
| 14:04.41 | djszapi | Wizzup: no, on the phone. |
| 14:04.42 | merlin1991 | Linux -> use as modem |
| 14:04.52 | SpeedEvil | Plug in - select 'pc suite' - then configure it as a normal 3g modem |
| 14:05.05 | djszapi | Wizzup, you are right, linux on the desktop/laptop. |
| 14:05.10 | Wizzup | should call himself merlin1990 |
| 14:05.23 | merlin1991 | Wizzup? |
| 14:05.32 | Wizzup | Well, it's my name plus birth year. |
| 14:05.46 | djszapi | SpeedEvil: how to configure ? |
| 14:06.04 | Wizzup | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 14:06.18 | djszapi | I am just reading it: http://www.nokian900applications.com/mobile-hotspot-for-nokia-n900/ |
| 14:06.25 | merlin1991 | in my case it's only the birthyear :P |
| 14:06.31 | Wizzup | oh. |
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| 14:07.21 | djszapi | mobile hotspot would be all kind of brilliand, if I had not to use this custom kernel... |
| 14:07.37 | Wizzup | has no problems with power kernel |
| 14:08.29 | SpeedEvil | djszapi: That's entirely a question about your distribution |
| 14:08.39 | merlin1991 | remembers he still has to install power kernel after the last reflash |
| 14:08.40 | SpeedEvil | djszapi: you configure it exactly as you would a 3G modem dongle. |
| 14:08.56 | djszapi | SpeedEvil: usb networking is a distribution independent thing |
| 14:09.08 | djszapi | same command everywhere I used it heretofore. |
| 14:09.29 | merlin1991 | Ubuntu has it in the ui afaik |
| 14:10.17 | djszapi | oh sure, ui solutions are different things, I meant the console way. |
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| 14:10.39 | Macer | finally |
| 14:10.46 | Macer | Sts helped me out.. got it working |
| 14:10.59 | Macer | it's working like a champ now .. typing from it now with the slider closed :) |
| 14:11.13 | Macer | i need to try out abiword |
| 14:12.37 | djszapi | Wizzup: are you using this custom kernel with mobilehotspot ? |
| 14:13.26 | Wizzup | It's a pretty known kernel, kernel for power users |
| 14:13.38 | Wizzup | s/kernel/custom &/ |
| 14:13.46 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/71515/ |
| 14:13.50 | djszapi | Wizzup: how about that output ? |
| 14:14.19 | Wizzup | doesn't know what you're trying to do atm |
| 14:14.27 | djszapi | install mobilehotspot |
| 14:14.32 | djszapi | and this package is a dependency |
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| 14:15.49 | merlin1991 | The flasher version would be the normal way |
| 14:15.50 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/71557/ -> that is also an output, actually. |
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| 14:16.02 | merlin1991 | while the img is for uboot |
| 14:16.53 | djszapi | my sources.list is empty somehow. |
| 14:17.14 | merlin1991 | It's in sourses.lisdt.d/something |
| 14:17.28 | merlin1991 | While something is the only file in that folder |
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| 14:17.51 | lardman | afternoon |
| 14:17.56 | djszapi | has no clue what is going on |
| 14:18.04 | djszapi | why cannot I install this mobilehotspot stuff ? |
| 14:18.46 | Wizzup | Try installing the kernel for power users from the application manager |
| 14:18.58 | lardman | is glad to hear Nokia are killing Ovi off |
| 14:19.43 | edheldil | does it mean there won't be ovi shop anymore? |
| 14:19.52 | lardman | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13409318 |
| 14:19.57 | lardman | that's all I know |
| 14:20.46 | djszapi | Wizzup: why |
| 14:20.53 | djszapi | console is just a fine interface. |
| 14:21.01 | djszapi | I would not like to use any gui, sorry. |
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| 14:21.18 | djszapi | it is a simple apt-get install whatever, anyway... |
| 14:21.27 | merlin1991 | Yep |
| 14:21.43 | Wizzup | If you want to do it the hard way then don't ask silly questions :) IMO |
| 14:21.56 | djszapi | silly questions ? |
| 14:22.05 | djszapi | hard way as in apt-get install whatever, huh ? |
| 14:22.26 | Wizzup | Well it seems to be hard... |
| 14:22.42 | merlin1991 | Apt-get install kernel-power-flasher |
| 14:22.45 | Wizzup | kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel |
| 14:22.50 | Wizzup | apt-cache search power |
| 14:22.54 | djszapi | nice to hear I am asking silly questions :( |
| 14:23.54 | Wizzup | They're not particularly silly, but they seem silly to me if you insist on doing it with the console |
| 14:24.00 | Wizzup | \o/ |
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| 14:24.29 | merlin1991 | ~lart apt-worker |
| 14:24.29 | infobot | flings poo at apt-worker |
| 14:24.56 | chem|st | ~botsnack |
| 14:24.56 | infobot | :), chem|st |
| 14:25.00 | djszapi | fails to see how it is a silly question if someone would like to use a cli for solving issue because he prefers it. |
| 14:25.21 | djszapi | I think it is arrogant to say it and not to respect it, actually. |
| 14:25.38 | chem|st | djszapi: console solves problems the time you know your way around on console |
| 14:25.46 | djszapi | merlin1991: sigterm after installing the power kernel: http://paste.kde.org/71593/ |
| 14:25.59 | djszapi | chem|st: yeah, I would like to know ofc. |
| 14:26.02 | djszapi | what is your point ? |
| 14:26.12 | chem|st | djszapi: solving "issues" or "problems" when you don't know what the way is gives even "more" problems |
| 14:26.52 | djszapi | please do not be tiring, if I would like to know how to solve it from cli, then that is my question, that is |
| 14:27.26 | merlin1991 | Uh oh did you have uboot installed djszapi? |
| 14:27.33 | djszapi | merlin1991: indeed |
| 14:27.40 | djszapi | I use maemo, meego dual boot with uboot. |
| 14:27.53 | djszapi | with this "run noloboot" command for maemo |
| 14:28.04 | chem|st | djszapi: you don't learn your way around by doing things from a list of cli lines but from proper how-to's |
| 14:28.27 | djszapi | time to ignore you ;) |
| 14:28.44 | chem|st | ~ignore djszapi |
| 14:28.44 | infobot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, djszapi!" |
| 14:29.41 | djszapi | merlin1991: so I should not use the flasher then ? |
| 14:30.38 | merlin1991 | Iirc then flashing a kernel while having uboot ruins your boot |
| 14:30.46 | djszapi | mmh, kernel-power-bootimg went fine |
| 14:31.12 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/71605/ |
| 14:31.51 | djszapi | merlin1991: still the same error while trying to install this mobilehotspot application. |
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| 14:32.16 | merlin1991 | Docscrutinizer: was it uboot that broke kernel flashes? |
| 14:32.19 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/71629/ |
| 14:33.28 | merlin1991 | Djszapi did you read the error at the end? |
| 14:33.30 | merlin1991 | Could not resolve host: downloads.maemo.nokia.com (Could not contact DNS servers) |
| 14:33.46 | djszapi | yes, no idea what that means and how to solve it. |
| 14:33.48 | djszapi | that is why I am asking, really :) |
| 14:33.54 | merlin1991 | And then: : Unable to fetch some archives |
| 14:34.24 | merlin1991 | It fails todo a dns lookup for downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 14:34.30 | djszapi | apt-cache search wireless-tools |
| 14:34.31 | djszapi | wireless-tools - Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions |
| 14:34.49 | merlin1991 | Djszapi apt is fine you connection isn't |
| 14:34.51 | djszapi | yes, but no idea why |
| 14:35.01 | djszapi | nameserver 8.8.8.8 -> from the /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:35.46 | merlin1991 | What does nslookup downloads.maemo.nokia.com give you? |
| 14:36.01 | djszapi | nslookup downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 14:36.01 | djszapi | Server: 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:36.25 | djszapi | Address 1: 8.8.8.8 |
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| 14:37.51 | djszapi | merlin1991: nslookup: can't resolve 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com' |
| 14:38.30 | merlin1991 | Can you even ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:38.52 | merlin1991 | Because I did a dns lookup against it and it resolved fine |
| 14:39.04 | djszapi | no, I cannot, actually. |
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| 14:39.17 | merlin1991 | Wich should work anyway, I made it just to be sure :D |
| 14:39.30 | merlin1991 | Well there's your problem |
| 14:39.38 | merlin1991 | No connection to dns |
| 14:39.46 | djszapi | that is fairly odd... |
| 14:40.15 | djszapi | no clue what is going on :o |
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| 14:41.12 | djszapi | any idea ? |
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| 14:42.21 | merlin1991 | How's your n900 connected? |
| 14:42.33 | djszapi | usb |
| 14:42.42 | djszapi | pc suite mode |
| 14:43.13 | merlin1991 | No I mean the n900 <> internet connection |
| 14:43.18 | djszapi | usb |
| 14:43.59 | djszapi | http://repository.maemo.org can be solved, but not the downloads.maemo.nokia.com, odd... |
| 14:45.40 | djszapi | actually com, not org, but still |
| 14:49.32 | djszapi | any idea |
| 14:50.12 | Wizzup | Yeah, repository was still cached. Your DNS no work |
| 14:50.32 | djszapi | yes, obviously, why not |
| 14:51.01 | Wizzup | shrugs |
| 14:52.20 | merlin1991 | Well I have no idea why you can't reach the dns |
| 14:52.26 | merlin1991 | try another one? |
| 14:52.37 | djszapi | another what ? |
| 14:54.16 | djszapi | ok, mobilehotspot is installed manually now. |
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| 14:55.01 | djszapi | mh...just wep encryption...does not sound good... |
| 14:55.06 | merlin1991 | Another dns server I meant |
| 14:55.23 | djszapi | how to do that ? |
| 14:56.03 | djszapi | anyway, no need for that really after the installation was fine manually. |
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| 15:05.46 | djszapi | I could start by using the button in the mobilehotspot application, but it cannot really be seen from the desktop/laptop, what do I do wrong ? |
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| 15:08.05 | djszapi | or at least how to debug it, etc. |
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| 15:25.58 | djszapi | or does this wep mean "wpa" in fact ? |
| 15:26.21 | djszapi | I always get "WPA Authentication/Association Failed", anyway |
| 15:27.28 | djszapi | it does not even work with open, odd stuff :) |
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| 15:33.55 | chem|st | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48075&highlight=hotspot <-- for consideration, just in general --> http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 15:34.05 | chem|st | djszapi: ^^ thats for you |
| 15:34.07 | djszapi | well, read them |
| 15:34.13 | chem|st | both? |
| 15:34.17 | djszapi | yep |
| 15:35.01 | chem|st | listening to the backend should show whats wrong, there is no WPA or even WPA2... only WEP |
| 15:35.12 | chem|st | afair |
| 15:35.14 | chem|st | gtg |
| 15:35.16 | chem|st | bye |
| 15:35.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | o/ |
| 15:38.04 | djszapi | that is too bad... |
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| 15:44.41 | crashanddie | haha |
| 15:44.44 | crashanddie | Ovi getting the boot |
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| 15:45.00 | crashanddie | that's probably one of the only Elocalypse actions that I don't mind |
| 15:46.53 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 15:48.15 | ShadowJK | oh, just the brand |
| 15:48.32 | djszapi | mobilehotspot is not a working application here. |
| 15:48.34 | djszapi | this is too bad. |
| 15:48.46 | djszapi | how about the commercial tool, has anybody any experience about that ? |
| 15:48.54 | ShadowJK | Ovi Music is the only musicstore that is actually usable for me, excluding piracy which aren't stores :P |
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| 16:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: mobile HS needs PK |
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| 16:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 16:19.02 | djszapi | pardon ? |
| 16:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | powerkernel |
| 16:19.30 | djszapi | so what ... ? |
| 16:19.37 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, did you watch eurovision? |
| 16:19.38 | djszapi | I could not install the tool without that really. |
| 16:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | so do you have PK installed? |
| 16:19.57 | djszapi | ^ |
| 16:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 16:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: nah, I'm already depressed |
| 16:21.02 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, the german could've changed your mind |
| 16:21.05 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: no idea what is going on really. |
| 16:21.11 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, she was kinda good looking last year, hot this year. |
| 16:21.30 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: this tool seems to be very hard to use to me. |
| 16:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | I think she's a stupid bitch |
| 16:21.38 | djszapi | nothing else I did then installing it. |
| 16:21.54 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, hey, I'm taking about her looks, not her brain |
| 16:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: really sorry I can't help, as I never gave MHS a shot |
| 16:23.00 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: time to give :p |
| 16:23.09 | djszapi | there is a "business" reason for it ;) |
| 16:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | usually I resort to my friends ifconfig, route, and ping though |
| 16:23.25 | djszapi | it is odd really why it does not work. What bugs me is that, Symbian works like a charm, out-of-the-box. |
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| 16:26.41 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: and there are couple of bugs in this small application, fex. if I type a wep password, it inserts X zeros at the end. |
| 16:26.59 | slonopotamus | how i downgrade from cssu to stock maemo? |
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| 16:29.56 | slonopotamus | anyone? |
| 16:34.28 | slonopotamus | has the feeling that over time this channel gets less and less useful |
| 16:34.53 | khertan | slonopotamus: sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R |
| 16:36.06 | slonopotamus | khertan: that's too bruteforce. you could even suggest buying new n900 or going back in time. |
| 16:36.28 | slonopotamus | khertan: is there any normal apt-get way? |
| 16:36.29 | khertan | slonopotamus: it s not bruteforce it s the proper way ! |
| 16:36.54 | khertan | the apt way is hackish, unstable and will bring more problem |
| 16:37.06 | slonopotamus | no, it isn't. maemo has a package manager after all. |
| 16:37.12 | khertan | LOL |
| 16:37.30 | khertan | slonopotamus: even debian warn about downgrade using apt |
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| 16:38.02 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 16:38.13 | slonopotamus | gentoo gets +1 point again |
| 16:38.23 | khertan | mouarf |
| 16:38.45 | khertan | none gentoo couldn't be considered as Stable |
| 16:39.41 | khertan | slonopotamus: remove the cssu repository and do a apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 16:40.11 | khertan | slonopotamus: remove the cssu repository and do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 16:40.16 | slonopotamus | khertan: complains about unsatisfied deps, too new versions of packages installed |
| 16:40.40 | khertan | which package exactly ? |
| 16:41.09 | khertan | will probably remove it too too much qt problem |
| 16:41.21 | khertan | and for testing apps with old qt version :) |
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| 16:41.32 | slonopotamus | modest, qt, several hildon packages |
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| 16:42.40 | khertan | except qt i didn 't have other problem |
| 16:43.10 | khertan | slonopotamus: so it s perfectly normal ... what s the problem ? |
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| 16:44.10 | slonopotamus | nothing depends on newer qt packages, why this thingie cannot simply uninstall them? |
| 16:44.46 | khertan | slonopotamus: let me try |
| 16:45.38 | slonopotamus | btw, what does "selecting previously deselected package X" mean? |
| 16:45.41 | khertan | currently downloading new version of qt |
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| 16:45.55 | khertan | slonopotamus: that it s selection deselected package |
| 16:46.13 | slonopotamus | what is a deselected package? |
| 16:46.30 | khertan | a package which hasn't been selected |
| 16:46.33 | khertan | or installed |
| 16:46.49 | slonopotamus | selected == installed? |
| 16:47.00 | khertan | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:47.05 | khertan | same problem here :) |
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| 16:47.53 | wazd | khertan: Nokia N01 :P |
| 16:48.10 | khertan | ? |
| 16:48.11 | wazd | Looks like iPhone 1 tho :) |
| 16:51.07 | wazd | Anyway I'd watch Real Steel just because of Evangeline Lilly |
| 16:51.26 | khertan | :) |
| 16:51.42 | slonopotamus | according to google, downgrade should be doable via apt-get dist-upgrade, but it is broken on maemo, wants to pull in coreutils for some reason |
| 16:51.44 | khertan | http://pastebin.com/Te08dXtY |
| 16:51.47 | khertan | ^^oups |
| 16:52.18 | Corsac | downgrade through dist-upgrade? I don't think so |
| 16:52.29 | khertan | :) |
| 16:52.33 | lcuk | wazd, I would agree too |
| 16:52.43 | piggz | has anyone used qtmobility 1.2 in qml yet? |
| 16:52.47 | slonopotamus | edit: it wants to pull in debianutils that conflicts with busybox and wants to purge half of maemo :) |
| 16:53.17 | slonopotamus | Corsac: that doesn't change the fact that dist-upgrade is broken in maemo |
| 16:54.25 | slonopotamus | khertan: nice :) |
| 16:54.38 | slonopotamus | smth like that here |
| 16:54.54 | slonopotamus | at least, it will free 234mb :) |
| 16:55.52 | slonopotamus | now i see why debian had to invent epoch number |
| 16:56.06 | Corsac | slonopotamus: don't use it |
| 16:56.17 | slonopotamus | Corsac: debian? okay |
| 16:56.32 | Corsac | what? |
| 16:57.02 | slonopotamus | no, i should ask "what", not you |
| 16:57.08 | Corsac | what? |
| 16:57.32 | slonopotamus | Corsac: loop? |
| 16:57.48 | Corsac | you don't make any sense |
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| 16:58.26 | slonopotamus | Corsac: practice that for several years already :) |
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| 16:58.42 | slonopotamus | okay, you said "don't use it". what "it"? |
| 16:59.27 | Corsac | the âitâ which is broken in maemo? |
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| 17:01.06 | Darth_Root | hi |
| 17:01.09 | Darth_Root | i've got a problem |
| 17:01.22 | Darth_Root | while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic |
| 17:01.33 | Darth_Root | an unexpected reboot happend |
| 17:01.38 | Darth_Root | *happened |
| 17:01.53 | Darth_Root | and whenever i try to load any easy debian app |
| 17:02.09 | Darth_Root | i got error, for example, while running apt=get |
| 17:02.37 | Darth_Root | "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6" |
| 17:02.41 | Darth_Root | what should i do? |
| 17:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: honestly I don't think there's any proper clean way to downgrade from cssu to stock, other than flashing COMBINED |
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| 17:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | or restoring a full image backup done by backupmenu |
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| 17:09.28 | Darth_Root | while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6". what should i do? |
| 17:10.35 | Darth_Root | could somebody help? |
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| 17:15.23 | Darth_Root | while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib |
| 17:15.48 | Darth_Root | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.52 | Darth_Root | as if no libs were seen |
| 17:16.25 | Darth_Root | what should i do? |
| 17:17.15 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: |
| 17:17.18 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: indeed |
| 17:17.29 | khertan | there is so many cross dependancies |
| 17:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | btw downgrading pr1.3->pr1.2 as well doesn't work. And apt-get dist-upgrade is notorious to break your system, even for upgrading |
| 17:21.17 | khertan | LOL |
| 17:21.24 | khertan | there is a really easy solution |
| 17:21.35 | khertan | reinstalling all package with the previous version |
| 17:21.42 | khertan | and the easiest way is : |
| 17:21.46 | khertan | apt-get install aptitude |
| 17:22.12 | khertan | apt-get remove mp-fremantle-community-pr |
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| 17:22.23 | khertan | aptitude install mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 17:23.09 | Darth_Root | while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib |
| 17:23.15 | Darth_Root | as if no libs were seen |
| 17:23.20 | Darth_Root | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.27 | Darth_Root | what should i do? |
| 17:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | even that is nonsense. What do you do with the arbitrary config file that got additional keys unknown to prior PR version? Downgrade KDE4->KDE3, enjoy! Downgrading has immanent issues that can't get fixed on a general basis |
| 17:23.36 | piggz | is the version of libqtm-12 in extras the latest? |
| 17:23.48 | piggz | (ie, final released) |
| 17:24.22 | Darth_Root | what should i do with easy debian |
| 17:24.22 | piggz | version string looks like ~tp1-0fn~fremantle13 |
| 17:24.23 | Darth_Root | ? |
| 17:25.56 | piggz | ah, i guess its in the process....build failed http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/qt-mobility/1.2.0-0fn~fremantle0/ |
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| 17:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: you had to not only remove but also purge(?) all packages, and that's really silly as it will take hours and *at best* will result in a system you get via flashing in seconds |
| 17:27.51 | Darth_Root | what should i do with easy debian |
| 17:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | there simply is no such thing like downgrade, for a whole system. You can downgrade a single app, if you *completely* remove it - incl all config files, data and proj files etc - then nstall the lower version |
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| 17:29.32 | Darth_Root | while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib |
| 17:29.33 | Darth_Root | what should i do with easy debian |
| 17:29.38 | Darth_Root | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | if you do that for each pkg of a whole system, then you for sure are better off with a fresh install |
| 17:29.46 | Darth_Root | as if no libs were seen |
| 17:30.23 | Darth_Root | is anybody familiar with easy debian here??! |
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| 17:32.16 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: in seconds not sure as it will take time to redownload applications package |
| 17:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | hm, granted |
| 17:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | restore a backuped image, best you can do |
| 17:33.19 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: it s didn't take hours ... it s take 5 min |
| 17:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | because you didn't do it properly |
| 17:33.56 | khertan | :) |
| 17:34.03 | Darth_Root | what should i do with easy debian |
| 17:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | smoke it? |
| 17:34.31 | Darth_Root | while installing audacity via easy debian's synaptic i had an unexpected reboot happened and whenever i try to load any easy debian app i got an error, for example, while running apt-get "error while loading shared library: libstdc++.so.6: No such file or directory". what should i do? the library exist in /usr/lib |
| 17:34.35 | Darth_Root | as if no libs were seen |
| 17:34.43 | Darth_Root | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.51 | Darth_Root | any debian app, after all |
| 17:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | starts to squint up/down |
| 17:37.17 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: lol downgrade successful :) |
| 17:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | Darth_Root: avrg reply delay on this chan is from 5s...12h |
| 17:37.52 | Darth_Root | sh*t.... i'm frustrated with that easy debian, which ain't easy :P |
| 17:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: definitely not. You got no clean system |
| 17:38.04 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: are you sure ? |
| 17:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes, as you can't tell for sure which config files were altered by a new version in a way the old version blows chunks at |
| 17:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | emphasis on "for sure" |
| 17:39.05 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: which config does cssu change ? |
| 17:39.17 | khertan | it just add optional option in config file |
| 17:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | except you'd do a md5 hash across your whole storage and compare to a virgin PRn-1 system |
| 17:39.37 | idont | my package seems to be stuck in the autobuilder, is there anyone in here who can help me with that? |
| 17:39.38 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: of course ! |
| 17:40.11 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: hum i'm not talking about pr n-1 downgrade |
| 17:40.12 | idont | both the armel and i386 build look finished (there are debs in the results/ folder), but the autobuilder hasn't completed the build process yet for some reason (it's 'building' for 1:15h+ now) |
| 17:40.33 | khertan | but pr1.3 community testing ssu to pr1.3 |
| 17:40.38 | khertan | not the same |
| 17:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | sure the same |
| 17:41.00 | khertan | nope ... look at the package |
| 17:41.01 | khertan | :) |
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| 17:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | btw since when we got a cssu-testing?? o.O |
| 17:41.41 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Cssu |
| 17:42.16 | khertan | it s called testing ... but i ll more call that cssu-dev |
| 17:42.17 | khertan | :) |
| 17:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | meh, ohmy |
| 17:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | this should be "unstable" |
| 17:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | we only could declare that "testing" when all the hacking would've been done outside cssu, in some private space like it's been before cssu |
| 17:44.14 | n900-dk | Which app is the best at the moment for voice navigation? |
| 17:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | matan's H-D been tested for several month, hosted on some random webpage, when it finally got into cssu |
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| 17:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | nowadays bleeding edge crap goes directly into cssu before it even ran on >10 systems |
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| 17:47.40 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: the worst part i think is the qt version 4.7.2 which is the official qt one, but the raster engine have some crappy bug |
| 17:48.06 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: but some bug are fixed in this version ... and some new appears |
| 17:48.07 | khertan | :( |
| 17:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and it's evidently not been tested anywhere, prior to dumping that shitload to the enduser |
| 17:48.49 | Darth_Root | ok i found out what was the key to easy debian |
| 17:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | definitely bold |
| 17:49.11 | Darth_Root | i had to replace the .ext2.lzma and .ext2 with the original ones |
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| 17:49.18 | Darth_Root | and now everything's allright |
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| 17:58.25 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: when even the experienced hackers start to moan and swear and ask for a downgrade or alternatively please finally get a true testing based on the release 2 steps ago, then you know you are in severe trouble with your distro project. RST38h asks for a modest downgrade, everybody frowns and swears about qt4.7.2... - tell me how is cssu *ever* going to become the better alternative to a stock maemo5 that users know all the bugs it has |
| 17:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | and learned to live with them? CSSU is doomed if it continues that path |
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| 18:01.32 | ShadowJK | I used to be afraid of Nokia's software updates. CSSU makes those seem like non-events :) |
| 18:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
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| 18:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | the aim of fixing bugs in stock fremantle got completely forgotten in favour of a featuritis that doesn't care about end users at all, neither about quality control |
| 18:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | (in cssu) |
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| 18:06.08 | E0x | true |
| 18:06.18 | FrieT | ieps.. Do any of you guys know where the files queued for upload using the "share" service are stored? |
| 18:06.51 | E0x | i think everything relate to the share framework at maemo 5 |
| 18:06.57 | E0x | is close source |
| 18:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | not really, I'd start searching in /var |
| 18:07.26 | FrieT | i looked inside /var for a few minutes already |
| 18:07.33 | FrieT | find nor grep show up much |
| 18:07.36 | FrieT | not in gconf eiter |
| 18:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | find is your friend ;-) |
| 18:07.48 | FrieT | i know, but not in this case :p |
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| 18:08.01 | FrieT | i need to cancel one of those uploads, and the GUI just barks at me |
| 18:08.10 | FrieT | it shows the dialog and it immediately closes it |
| 18:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | share a file, look at clock, find for files changed/created at that time |
| 18:08.35 | FrieT | you are a genius /D |
| 18:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | heh, how could I know you already borked it? |
| 18:09.17 | FrieT | ow |
| 18:09.21 | FrieT | i did not mean sarcasm |
| 18:09.31 | FrieT | i'll schedule a new file |
| 18:09.39 | FrieT | and check for most recently modified files |
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| 18:09.41 | FrieT | it makes sense |
| 18:10.21 | FrieT | wait |
| 18:10.25 | FrieT | ~/.sharing |
| 18:10.27 | FrieT | lol |
| 18:10.39 | FrieT | i just figured it might be in the user dir |
| 18:10.41 | FrieT | and it is:D |
| 18:11.01 | FrieT | hurray for me, and thanks DocScrutinizer;-) |
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| 18:11.40 | FrieT | i found this chan to be weird before.. people actually trying to help out.. |
| 18:11.42 | FrieT | freaky stuff |
| 18:14.07 | FrieT | hmmm can any of you still use the facebook photo upload thing? |
| 18:14.15 | FrieT | that and flickr freak out on me |
| 18:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | never used it |
| 18:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | reminds me to ponder how long ovi share will work |
| 18:15.45 | FrieT | yeah trying that now |
| 18:15.49 | FrieT | wasn't that partly shut down already? |
| 18:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | heard some rumour today |
| 18:16.04 | FrieT | hmh it just hangs |
| 18:16.13 | FrieT | progress is "sending" |
| 18:16.17 | FrieT | 0%. zip. |
| 18:16.23 | FrieT | but an incoming phonecall ;D |
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| 18:19.22 | FrieT | mk share via service on ovi ain't working here |
| 18:19.35 | FrieT | ditto for flickr |
| 18:19.39 | FrieT | awesome |
| 18:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | FrieT: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10127 |
| 18:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | WFM |
| 18:21.12 | FrieT | dmd |
| 18:21.22 | FrieT | what did i bork |
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| 18:26.50 | Venemo | ~wfm |
| 18:26.50 | infobot | somebody said wfm was (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me |
| 18:26.57 | Venemo | hah |
| 18:27.25 | FrieT | ~hah |
| 18:27.25 | infobot | i guess hah is everone's second favorte word (see bah, heh) |
| 18:27.26 | FrieT | ?.D |
| 18:27.27 | FrieT | :) |
| 18:27.30 | FrieT | lol. |
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| 18:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha, click on "HOME" upper left of a ovishare page. browser either explodes or spits a "recursive link!" at you |
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| 18:30.58 | FrieT | is that the thing signups have been closed for for ages? |
| 18:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | Es liegt eine auf sich selbst verweisende Verknüpfung vor Adresse: http://share.ovi.com/ |
| 18:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/home.aspx?SAMLart=AARnYoU6/ZbJFfjRP3cckEAJmxKhSmx8MHRlTVd1eXRYYlhh..... |
| 18:32.00 | FrieT | nice loop |
| 18:32.11 | FrieT | undercover apache benchmark? |
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| 18:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | masochism - when your server helps create the DoS attack |
| 18:32.47 | FrieT | :) |
| 18:33.26 | FrieT | hmmm is there a way of exporting and importing all gconf entries? |
| 18:33.49 | Venemo | all of them? probably by copying and pasting gconf's data files |
| 18:34.11 | FrieT | --dump & --load ? |
| 18:34.14 | FrieT | Venemo |
| 18:34.17 | FrieT | no |
| 18:34.20 | FrieT | that's not what i'm looking for |
| 18:34.30 | FrieT | i think i'm lacking some entries |
| 18:34.41 | FrieT | i'd restore the old ones, and then reimport my current ones |
| 18:34.44 | Venemo | FrieT, I meant 'cp /usr/share/gconf.....' |
| 18:34.45 | FrieT | leaving the missing ones in place |
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| 18:38.16 | FrieT | the builtin backup tool doesn't back up the full gconf tree does it? |
| 18:38.37 | Wolli | hey, is it possible to add more touch-buttons to xterm? |
| 18:38.40 | FrieT | (i'm assuming that since that'd make this too easy...) |
| 18:41.59 | FrieT | hmmm seems it just might do that |
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| 18:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | --dump and --load sound just fine |
| 18:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | also restore isn't supposed to unset keys, as the backups might be partial |
| 18:45.23 | FrieT | that's what i was counting on |
| 18:45.27 | FrieT | load not unsetting keys |
| 18:45.40 | FrieT | so i can overwrite and keep current settings while restoring the ones that are missing |
| 18:46.07 | FrieT | or just fail miserably and roll back to a month ago :< |
| 18:46.08 | FrieT | : |
| 18:46.08 | FrieT | ) |
| 18:48.18 | FrieT | does anyone here still have omweather working properly? |
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| 18:48.32 | FrieT | it broke down for me a month or 2 ago |
| 18:48.40 | FrieT | saying it can't fetch updates |
| 18:49.55 | madalu | Wolli: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926 |
| 18:52.59 | Sicelo_ | thanks madalu :) |
| 18:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | alas it seems impossible to add qualifier keys like AltGr |
| 18:59.56 | FrieT | anyone else here having trouble running the power kernel? A few releases ago worked just fine for me |
| 19:00.01 | FrieT | now all i get is ext3 corruption |
| 19:00.54 | FrieT | stock kernel does no such thing, and i'm not over/down/* clocking |
| 19:00.57 | FrieT | or volting |
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| 19:03.47 | Jef91 | My n900 is telling me there is a maemo update - is that from nokia or the community SSU I added? |
| 19:03.54 | FrieT | ssu |
| 19:04.28 | FrieT | when you see a microsoft update, it's nokia. |
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| 19:07.35 | Jef91 | LOL |
| 19:08.01 | Jef91 | FrieT its also telling me I need to plug it into my computer to update it - does that mean there is an SSU image somewhere I need to download and flash? |
| 19:08.18 | FrieT | huh? you sur it's not telling you to plug in a charger? |
| 19:09.20 | FrieT | that's what it usually tells me.. "not enough battery to update", yadayada |
| 19:10.35 | Jef91 | oh good call |
| 19:10.37 | Jef91 | let me try that... |
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| 19:11.58 | FrieT | kay guys i should be going.. thanks! |
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| 19:59.37 | SpeedEvil | Can someone PM me something? |
| 20:01.09 | SpeedEvil | thanks all. |
| 20:01.49 | Cor-Ai | haha |
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| 20:09.11 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: how many pms did you get? :D |
| 20:11.48 | SpeedEvil | Enough. |
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| 20:16.37 | RST38h | The company is showing off a range of LCDs for cellphones that top out at an almost imperceptibly fine 367ppi on its 4-inch HD (720 x 1280) model. (Toshiba) |
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| 20:27.02 | Macer | well |
| 20:27.08 | Macer | going to see if tablet-encode really works |
| 20:27.59 | Macer | haha.. the damn mp4 is bigger than the avi :) |
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| 20:46.50 | Jef91 | Anyone know how I can use the power kernel with the multi boot menu? |
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| 20:55.17 | merlin1991 | Jef91: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Issues_after_multiboot_or_Nitdroid_installation |
| 20:55.36 | Jef91 | just got there merlin1991 thanks :) |
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| 20:55.44 | Jef91 | googling as I post the questions here |
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| 20:59.34 | Jef91 | getting "can't flash kernel, required files not found" |
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| 21:18.20 | geaaru | hi, how can i turn off keyboard led when i'm on r&d mode? thanks in advance |
| 21:20.29 | SpeedEvil | Why do you think you want R&D mode? |
| 21:21.01 | geaaru | to see boot menu at startup and choice boot from sd or boot from flash |
| 21:22.16 | geaaru | why with r&d led must be turn on all time ? i don't understand this. :) |
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| 21:30.00 | thopiekar | hi |
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| 21:31.07 | SpeedEvil | Somewhat random. _ages_ ago, I got a BT VOIP box-thing. I still have it. Do BT still do a BOIP solution - SIP - I can't seem to find it on their website, I may be using the wrong keywords. |
| 21:31.40 | thopiekar | wanna buy a N900 on ebay which isn't working (thats what the seller says). he said that he can'T turn it on.. it is just vibrating.. he hasn't said anything about what he can see on the display.. is that fixable via flashing? |
| 21:32.29 | SpeedEvil | It's not impossible it might be. |
| 21:32.44 | SpeedEvil | Could also be hardware fail. |
| 21:38.31 | Sicelo_ | how much is this thopiekar ? |
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| 21:38.55 | thopiekar | SpeedEvil: k |
| 21:39.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: search for 3GN, NGN, or sth like that |
| 21:39.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | SIP in disguise |
| 21:39.35 | thopiekar | Sicelo_: in Germany: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150604475408&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:DE:1123#ht_500wt_1156 |
| 21:39.49 | thopiekar | I really would like to get one.. |
| 21:40.00 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:40.36 | thopiekar | I also would like to add software, even console applications from Ubuntu as I did for diablo |
| 21:40.50 | thopiekar | streamripper for example |
| 21:40.58 | thopiekar | and so on.. |
| 21:43.31 | Sicelo_ | best wishes buddy :) |
| 21:44.12 | Macer | what is that? |
| 21:44.42 | Macer | thopiekar: what is that thing? |
| 21:45.16 | thopiekar | Macer: what? streamripper? a internet radio recorder.. |
| 21:45.26 | thopiekar | check sourceforge |
| 21:45.38 | Macer | the ebay page you showed with the n900 lying on a suitcase heh |
| 21:45.45 | thopiekar | :D |
| 21:45.53 | Macer | is the n900 the detonator |
| 21:45.56 | Macer | ? |
| 21:46.03 | Macer | it was in ze german??C |
| 21:46.07 | Macer | heh |
| 21:46.36 | Macer | wish i could figure out how to get these su8w special keys to work |
| 21:46.42 | Macer | like the email and menu key. that would be cool |
| 21:46.55 | Macer | maybe later i will capture the codes and see if i can map them to something |
| 21:47.12 | thopiekar | huh? I did get what you mean.. which keys? is something wrong with that device? |
| 21:47.24 | Macer | no... i finally got it working correctly |
| 21:47.40 | Macer | it can even type with the qwerty closed now :) but it has symbian special keys |
| 21:47.50 | Macer | like the email key and the menu key |
| 21:48.20 | Macer | also a left middle and right key... keys that you would normally use on an n95 |
| 21:48.53 | Macer | i would love to figure out a way to map the menu key to the actual maemo5 menu |
| 21:49.02 | Macer | where it would be like tapping the upper left corner |
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| 21:49.21 | thopiekar | has the N900 the application xev? |
| 21:49.41 | thopiekar | it would show you how the button is called that is pressed.. |
| 21:49.43 | Macer | don't know.. haven't looked into it much other than getting the mappings right and setting up bt hid on it |
| 21:50.01 | Macer | i'm actually using it right now for irc .. it's great |
| 21:50.14 | Macer | can't wait to just use abiword on my n900 instead of lugging around a laptop |
| 21:50.41 | Macer | i wish there was a full blown openoffice for it... that would be awesome too.. or cups support |
| 21:50.53 | thopiekar | if you know how the key is called you could use xbindkeys to do the trick.. |
| 21:50.54 | Macer | if i could print from this thing i would ejaculate |
| 21:51.27 | Macer | yeah... i will work on that later.. right now i am just happy it works at all and very well i might say |
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| 21:51.36 | thopiekar | lets say getting the menu is a dbus function, you could bind the menu key to the dbus signal |
| 21:52.02 | thopiekar | do it ;) |
| 21:52.04 | Macer | i need to find out how it is called though coming from the keyboard |
| 21:52.10 | Sicelo_ | iirc, there's been some kind of success in printing from n900. check tmo |
| 21:52.19 | Macer | lol. i don't even know where to start thopiekar |
| 21:52.31 | Macer | but right now i need to sleep. i work tonight |
| 21:52.31 | thopiekar | if you are lucky and I'll get a N900 you can expect Ill work on such tweaks :P |
| 21:52.44 | Macer | lmao.. are you getting one? |
| 21:52.45 | thopiekar | Macer: see yaaaa |
| 21:52.49 | Macer | they're still pretty expensive |
| 21:52.56 | Macer | i guess supply issues? |
| 21:53.02 | thopiekar | Macer: can't get one for a low price atm |
| 21:53.12 | thopiekar | no money issues |
| 21:53.13 | thopiekar | :D |
| 21:53.26 | Macer | yeah. they are rather expensive but honestly i think they will go up later if meego actually gets going on it |
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| 21:53.40 | thopiekar | sure? |
| 21:53.43 | Macer | which is honestly doubtful that will happen any time soon but wishful thinking |
| 21:54.02 | Macer | i think so.. lots of people might want to suck one up if meego doesn't totally suck |
| 21:54.16 | thopiekar | hopefull not such a wishful thinking like N8x0's will get their §D driver |
| 21:54.19 | thopiekar | *3D |
| 21:54.20 | Macer | how is maemo development lately? i know they released the cssu stuff |
| 21:54.28 | Macer | hahahah |
| 21:54.33 | Macer | yeah that one will never happen either |
| 21:54.43 | Macer | my n810 is just sitting on my desk collecting dust |
| 21:54.55 | Macer | i am going to use it for carman |
| 21:55.00 | thopiekar | I use my N800 for music in my car |
| 21:55.05 | thopiekar | me too |
| 21:55.07 | Macer | i have the obd2 bt transmitter |
| 21:55.25 | Macer | i need the window mount for it :) |
| 21:55.29 | thopiekar | bought for it also a transmitter > 20⬠from china |
| 21:55.29 | thopiekar | :D |
| 21:55.39 | thopiekar | got one.. |
| 21:55.43 | Macer | mine was around 50 |
| 21:55.56 | Macer | i thought the pidgen friend tracking was kind of neat |
| 21:56.02 | Macer | i'm not sure how well carman has been developed lately |
| 21:56.12 | Macer | but it seems like one of the better reasons to have an n810 |
| 21:56.17 | thopiekar | carman has many missing features.. |
| 21:56.25 | Macer | heh |
| 21:56.31 | Macer | well.. it gives you check engine status |
| 21:56.41 | Macer | which is more than most.. :) |
| 21:56.44 | thopiekar | tested another app for my N95... it was able to read many more values |
| 21:57.00 | Macer | ah was it? |
| 21:57.10 | thopiekar | mom |
| 21:57.13 | Macer | so it is missing sensor information from the obd2 port? |
| 21:57.40 | thopiekar | ODBscope |
| 21:57.44 | thopiekar | i think |
| 21:58.07 | Macer | there is no carman for n900 is there? |
| 21:58.16 | thopiekar | carman is just using the minimal info from ODB |
| 21:58.28 | thopiekar | there is as far as I know |
| 21:58.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh, canbus? |
| 21:58.40 | Macer | it gets check engine codes for you |
| 21:58.55 | Macer | doesnt it get a description of the code as well? |
| 21:59.14 | Macer | canbus? |
| 21:59.14 | thopiekar | carman isn't even checking which data is available.. the app on my N95 checks the data and tells ok can view you the following.. |
| 21:59.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wiki canbus |
| 21:59.43 | thopiekar | carman can't it just visualizes the data.. and if not available value=0 |
| 21:59.53 | thopiekar | stupid app |
| 22:00.19 | thopiekar | thats why I'm coding my own OBD system now |
| 22:00.34 | Macer | heh... but carman lets you track your buddy that you are racing down the highway |
| 22:00.39 | thopiekar | a mix of Carman, Canola and Meego IVI |
| 22:00.56 | thopiekar | navit can do it, too |
| 22:01.17 | Macer | navit does obd? |
| 22:01.20 | thopiekar | the menu from Meego IVI and plugin'able UI |
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| 22:01.26 | thopiekar | written in PyQt |
| 22:01.39 | thopiekar | navit can track other people.. |
| 22:02.03 | Macer | heh.. that wou.d be good if meego worked |
| 22:02.04 | thopiekar | just need to setup their GPS rfcomm as UDP-Server |
| 22:02.15 | thopiekar | in navit |
| 22:02.32 | Macer | did meego get the gps working? |
| 22:02.45 | Macer | i thought the gps and cams were still a no go |
| 22:02.50 | Macer | as is voice calling |
| 22:02.53 | thopiekar | dunno |
| 22:03.43 | thopiekar | why it code my own application I'll take care on os-independency.. it should work at the end on every os.. windows, linux and hopefully mac but haven'T got one so can't check |
| 22:03.44 | thopiekar | :P |
| 22:04.04 | Macer | heh |
| 22:04.21 | thopiekar | k, need to get some sleep as well, Macer |
| 22:04.26 | thopiekar | see you soon |
| 22:04.32 | Macer | night |
| 22:04.38 | thopiekar | it's 00:04 here |
| 22:05.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | voice calling on SHR is almost working |
| 22:05.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | partially working actually |
| 22:09.34 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:11.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | and they're implementing my alsa based PA killer \o/ |
| 22:12.20 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 22:13.09 | merlin1991 | "PA killer" ? |
| 22:13.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | the living proof ALSA is better than PA |
| 22:14.49 | merlin1991 | realizes PA is pulseaudio |
| 22:15.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | pukeaudio |
| 22:15.12 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 22:15.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | or polypaudio (no kidding) |
| 22:16.00 | merlin1991 | I don't know much about pa vs alsa, only that everyone seems to be bashing pa, but what's the actuall drawback of pa, the system itself or the implementation? |
| 22:17.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | the idea why it's done, how it's done, and who done it |
| 22:18.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | a typical NIH thing |
| 22:18.58 | merlin1991 | ~nih |
| 22:18.58 | infobot | nih is, like, \"Not Invented Here\" - a syndrome often suffered by developers and companies who tend to reinvent the wheel for no reason other than being able to put their name on it. |
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| 22:27.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | PA claimed to be the inevitable improvement on ALSA, doing everything better. In fact they attributed problems to ALSA that were never existing, caused by pebkac, or simple to fix. Then their friggin implementation had exactly the problems they attributed to ALSA, just worse. Plus they shoved that shit down everybody's throat and en passant broke working ALSA systems by not providing a properly workng compatibility layer |
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| 22:31.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | but the worst been the spreading of lies about ALSA - like 'alsa doesn't support per-app volume', 'alsa has no mixing' and similar BS |
| 22:36.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | in fact probably ALSA is more versatile than PA even today, and one thing's evident: PA still needs ALSA to work at all, while ALSA doesn't need PA for anyrhing (except audio over ethernet) |
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| 22:59.25 | rdvonz | Probably not the right place to ask this, but I just dug up my old n810 out of my drawer. Of course its taken apart (because the charger wasn't working) and the back side of the device is nowhere to be found! Anyways, my question is this: does anyone have a spare n810 they would mind selling for parts? |
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| 23:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | should send Lennart Poettering a copy of the nice Openmoko lis302dl.ko driver source. Best with GPL and (C) removed. Sure bet for getting it into linus kernel after 3 months, and kick out the braindead lis3lv02.ko joystick driver |
| 23:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | but, wait... Lennart never hyped and pushed anything tha looked nice. So probably that plan will fail epically |
| 23:31.15 | merlin1991 | meet DocScrutinizer the seasoned zynic ;) |
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| 23:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I tuned my ALSA for like 6 years to get an absolutely charming system working with concurrent audio, no latency, excellent quality and compatible to all apps no matter whether OSS, ARTS, ALSA... Then came PukeAudio and all distros' audio subsystem got fscj |
| 23:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | ked |
| 23:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | what do you think I feel about PA and Lennart |
| 23:48.32 | merlin1991 | love him like your son? |
| 23:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 23:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 23:49.06 | merlin1991 | btw I didn't get oss apps to run properly on a crappy soundcard on pretty basic ubuntu |
| 23:49.27 | merlin1991 | unless I used preload hacks to load alsa symbols into them :P |
| 23:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | no wonder, buntkuh is using PA |
| 23:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | did I mention PA doesn't care about working bugfree compatibility layers? |
| 23:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | you should feel happy the buntkuh PA crap was gracious enough to let your app work with ALSA-OSS compatibility layer |
| 23:52.00 | merlin1991 | wasn't alsa-oss |
| 23:52.16 | merlin1991 | actual ld_preload to replace oss calls with alsa calls in the app binarly |
| 23:52.19 | merlin1991 | *binary* |
| 23:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | duh? no ld_preload aoss ? |
| 23:53.01 | merlin1991 | for some reason even that didn't work :P |
| 23:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | aoss works usually flawlessly, on ALSA machines |
| 23:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | well, replacing oss by alsa janus stubs via ld_preload is exactly what aoss is doing |
| 23:54.36 | merlin1991 | the aoss stuff shipped with ubuntu didn't work |
| 23:54.43 | merlin1991 | then again, ubuntu :P |
| 23:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | ooops |
| 23:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | cat /usr/bin/aoss |
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| 23:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | libaoss.so does exactly that - provide open(), close(), read(), write() and intercept access to /dev/dsp and convert it to genuine ALSA calls |
| 23:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | the same shit shipped with PA for converting ALSA calls to PA doesn't work at all, and Lennart doesn't care (actually he can not fix it, as ALSA is way more versatile than PA, so some more exotic calls to ALSA can't get maped to PA API) |
