| 00:00.02 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: Ossom. Still sorting browser tabs at the moment though, hehe. Then I have to make sure I find the right instructions. |
| 00:00.06 | BCMM | i actually prefer that to the proper word and am going to start using it |
| 00:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: make sure you man mount.ubifs |
| 00:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever |
| 00:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | root is mtd5 |
| 00:01.00 | Kilroo1 | I shall make a note of that |
| 00:01.10 | Kilroo1 | Oh, what was that command... |
| 00:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | not even alterego knew what to do with ubi ;-P |
| 00:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | mtd5 doesn't show in maemo "mount" |
| 00:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | of course, since it's rootfs that's defined on kernel cmdline by NOLO |
| 00:03.37 | Kilroo1 | one of my coworkers wanted to know how to do something on one of the linux servers once and I told him to ssh into it and type "man <something>" and he started laughing... |
| 00:03.56 | Kilroo1 | I'm sure "man mount" would have amused him even more. |
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| 00:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | and the "Mount options for ubifs" would make him fall off his chair |
| 00:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, for your convenience: |
| 00:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc) |
| 00:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | which now first time makes some sense to me |
| 00:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 00:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | 0=device, :rootfs = name of NAND partition |
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| 00:14.01 | SpeedEvil | nox-: Or - in this case - losing volatile shopping carts. Grr. |
| 00:14.22 | nox- | :( |
| 00:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 00:15.08 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Firefox - nvm |
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| 00:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | aah, k |
| 00:15.53 | nox- | loss of `close all tabs' prompt |
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| 00:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | ^F nox did the trick |
| 00:16.56 | nox- | ^f ? |
| 00:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | ctrl-f, in Konversation |
| 00:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | "find" |
| 00:17.24 | nox- | oh ok :) |
| 00:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | btw another somewhat borked feature in xchat |
| 00:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 00:18.39 | nox- | ah yeah only goes back in whatever still is in the scollback... |
| 00:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | of course a nonexistent feature in maemo-xterm |
| 00:19.12 | nox- | and a borked one in microb too |
| 00:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: that'd be the expected behaviour |
| 00:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, in microb too |
| 00:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | related to zooming in mircrob, it seems |
| 00:19.54 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, so sometimes xchat doesnt even do that? |
| 00:20.02 | nox- | oh, n900 xchat? |
| 00:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: sometimes I think it doesn't multiple searches |
| 00:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, n900 xchat |
| 00:20.42 | nox- | ah ok i usually dont irc from that little screen... |
| 00:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | like here ^F nox [prev] [prev] |
| 00:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | the [prev] aka [ENTER] fails on xchat iirc |
| 00:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | or it also misslocates, like microb |
| 00:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | haven't used it in a while |
| 00:22.05 | nox- | haha and now i have a bunch of blank lines... |
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| 00:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | so just recall it's borked |
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| 00:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | seem to recall |
| 00:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | headache, o/ |
| 00:23.01 | nox- | well something is definitely broken there yeah |
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| 00:34.37 | Kilroo1 | Mythbusters is making me laugh so hard I'm crying. |
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| 00:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | mythbusters are clows with no clue. They wouldn't have passed physics tests of highschool |
| 00:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | buolding a model of a suspension bridge like golden gate, and then forgetting about mounts for the strings, that's sooooo lame |
| 00:46.40 | Sazpaimon_ | so like |
| 00:46.50 | Sazpaimon_ | i have an sd to microsd adapter |
| 00:46.51 | Kilroo1 | Clowns causing explosions are fun to watch though |
| 00:47.10 | Sazpaimon_ | not the other way around mind you |
| 00:47.32 | Sazpaimon_ | if i get an sdxc card, you think itll work? |
| 00:48.47 | cehteh | iirc sdhc is not compatible to sdxc ... but ask wikipedia or someone else to be sure |
| 00:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 00:49.50 | Sazpaimon_ | i read theyre electronicly compaitble |
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| 00:52.47 | Sazpaimon_ | I may be wrong though |
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| 01:38.41 | blizzow | I'm having a nightmare of a time getting tethering to work with T-Mobile and my n900. |
| 01:39.44 | blizzow | I've tried the prebuilt mobile profiles for ubuntu, and it just keeps saying GSM network disconnected. |
| 01:40.41 | SpeedEvil | you plug the n900 into USB, and select 'pc-suite' mode? |
| 01:42.15 | blizzow | SpeedEvil: did that. |
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| 01:51.08 | ds3 | or use slirp on the n900 |
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| 03:12.56 | Kilroo | This is weird...the rmmod trick seems to have stopped working. |
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| 03:56.51 | Kilroo | I wonder if this was the wrong meego to try out. |
| 03:57.49 | Kilroo | Seems all right so far, just slow as molasses |
| 03:58.12 | Kilroo | which is probably moreso the fault of my sd card |
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| 04:13.20 | Jade | hi |
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| 04:25.48 | Kilroo | Rats! |
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| 05:21.01 | RST38h | The U.S. government spent $2 trillion combating bin Laden over the past decade, more than 20 percent of the nations $9.68 trillion public debt. |
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| 05:23.52 | derf | That's okay, we spent something like $20tln bailing out Wall Street in 2008 and 2009 alone. |
| 05:24.07 | derf | Though of course most of that will never show up on the books. |
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| 05:44.35 | RST38h | derf: hasn't most of this money been returned to the fed though? |
| 05:45.47 | slonopotamus | wonders when the hell diablo extras sign key will be fixed |
| 05:45.55 | derf | RST38h: No, the Fed got "collateral", otherwise known as the worthless shit they couldn't sell on the open market. |
| 05:46.04 | derf | Priced at whatever the banks said it was worth. |
| 05:47.05 | derf | But the Fed is only part of the picture... there were at least a dozen different programs beyond the famous ones like TARP. |
| 05:47.31 | RST38h | What a fail in the making... |
| 05:48.12 | derf | My favorite being ABCPMMMFLF. |
| 05:48.47 | RST38h | OMG google actually finds this thing |
| 05:48.55 | derf | I'm not making this up. |
| 05:49.21 | RST38h | Some bureaucrat had vivid bureaucratic imagination |
| 05:49.34 | derf | It was their finest hour, I'm sure. |
| 05:49.41 | achipa | Venemo: no, but the gl stuff can be tricky, i.e. die because of not apparent reasons |
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| 05:50.12 | RST38h | going-to-work time... |
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| 06:48.00 | Termana | good morning |
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| 07:25.39 | mece | I can has final qtmobility1.2 for maemo plz? |
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| 07:31.10 | mece | hello |
| 07:31.35 | achipa | me yesiree, one fresh qtmobility1.2 coming up |
| 07:31.40 | achipa | mece: ^^ |
| 07:32.11 | achipa | also will update the qtm-11 packages to 1.1.3 |
| 07:35.18 | mece | WOOHOO! |
| 07:35.56 | mece | I'm actually having some trouble with qml-location plugin, hopefully it will work with the final version |
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| 07:36.26 | mece | qml location stuff is absolutely epic! I already have like 10 apps planned. |
| 07:36.35 | mece | Also, can we push it to extras now that it's final? |
| 07:40.52 | Venemo | mece, what're those 10 apps? |
| 07:41.05 | mece | ok maybe a small exaggeration |
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| 07:44.25 | mece | one is a program where you track friends who share location in realtime (0.5 - 1 updates per second) and another is a tourism map thing for certain areas in the baltic sea (Turku archipelago in Finland, the Estonian islands and Roslagen in Sweden) |
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| 07:45.31 | mece | I have some other vague plans too, but nothing concrete |
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| 07:47.38 | mece | achipa, anyway in qml, MapMouseArea and MapCircle for example doesn't work properly in the current version of qtm12 for maemo. |
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| 07:49.46 | mece | I love that we're first with everything new :) |
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| 08:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | mece: yeah, esp with unique new bugs ;-D |
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| 08:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | "sorry developer. We have to report that qtm is broken to the bones, and your app using qtm can't qualify for extras due to excessive battery drain caused by qtm. Please wait until we *eventually* fix this issue, or rewrite your app to use another API/lib TK thatn qtm" |
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| 09:17.21 | RST38h | Doc: Won't "Fuck off" be more concise, while retaining both the meaning and the tone of the message? |
| 09:17.24 | mece | DocScrutinizer, a whaa? |
| 09:18.00 | mece | DocScrutinizer, where did that come from? |
| 09:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | outa my arse, though *ought* come from qtm devels |
| 09:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | based on "< MohammadAG > yeah, qtm-sensors eats 35% of my CPU" (OWTTE) |
| 09:19.41 | mece | is there a particular bug you're referring to? |
| 09:20.06 | mece | DocScrutinizer, which qtm version was that then? |
| 09:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | sure, qtfilesensor-object is polling |
| 09:22.28 | RST38h | The funny part is, they would not have to do it if Maemo Platform guys implemented proper Linux-friendly sensor APIs |
| 09:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG |
| 09:22.57 | RST38h | For which there even was a bug in Bugzilla, but they disregarded it |
| 09:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: listening to lis302 directly is a layering violation as that'S a task best performed by a middleware (like mce, fso) that needs root and exclusive access to sensors like lis302 |
| 09:24.13 | mece | DocScrutinizer, seems to be fixed: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1505 |
| 09:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | so qtm tries to do things in userland that definitely should be root daemons - this can't pan out |
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| 09:28.30 | ruskie | hehe |
| 09:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | mece: that's utter bullshit, they simply changed the sampling rate rsp made it user-configurable. It's still polling. POLLING!!! this is absolutely completely definitely brainfucked concept |
| 09:29.55 | mece | DocScrutinizer, so don't use it. |
| 09:31.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I said: don't use qtm on maemo, it's bad to the bones |
| 09:31.53 | mece | I want to. |
| 09:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | so don't hope for your app passing QA as it will rape the battery |
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| 09:35.06 | ShadowJK | is the interrupt line even connected to anything |
| 09:35.14 | DocScrutinizer | wait, wasn't that exactly what I said initially? |
| 09:36.05 | ShadowJK | my screen is too small |
| 09:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: which one? the both IRQ lines of e.g. lis302dl?of course they are connected to SoC |
| 09:36.40 | mece | DocScrutinizer, are you saying everything in qtm eats up battery? |
| 09:37.05 | ShadowJK | Are those IRQs exposed by the kernel? |
| 09:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | QObject filesensor is broken by design |
| 09:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | so yes |
| 09:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure, usually they are |
| 09:37.52 | ShadowJK | I don't remember seeing them in /sys anywhere |
| 09:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | one way or another |
| 09:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | the somewhat suboptimal lis302.ko shall cause a kevent when updating coord |
| 09:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | it shall update coord when IRQ happens |
| 09:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | IRQ should fire (set up to do that) when actual device orientatiopn changes |
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| 09:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | a way nicer concept is what we got on OM/OE for lis302.ko, which creates a /dev/input/* device that simply blocks on read until next *new* data from lis302 arrives |
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| 09:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. until the IRQ of lis302 fires, however it's configured (data-ready which means chip-clocked 'polling', IRQ-WU-FF which can be set via thresholds to fire only when device gets moved...) |
| 09:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | the upstream lis3lv02.ko driver predates both the maemo and OM driver, and is written with joysticks and coninuous data sampling in mind, so it doesn't support any proper IRQ driven concept |
| 09:43.35 | mece | DocScrutinizer, curiously the qtm1.2 app I'm running right now uses a massive 1% cpu. |
| 09:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | for sensors like proxy / ALS sitaution is similar or even worse |
| 09:44.27 | flux | mece, what is the application doing? |
| 09:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | constantly using 1% for NOTHING is absolutely no yota better than eating 35% |
| 09:44.56 | flux | mece, if it's not doing anything, 1% is more than enough for bringing the CPU out of its power saving mode.. |
| 09:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 09:45.41 | flux | but, I can understand if some app framework uses polling for sensors. or has someone actually proven (with code) that interrupt-driven IO can bring the same abilities? |
| 09:45.54 | flux | but if it does everything in a polling manner, then something has gone awfully wrong. |
| 09:46.16 | mece | well now it's using 0.0% cpu... |
| 09:46.33 | flux | powertop would tell you if it causes wakeups |
| 09:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | flux: mce has proven it |
| 09:46.38 | flux | if not, then it's great |
| 09:46.52 | flux | docscrutinizer, mce runs as root, though? |
| 09:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's my point, scroll up! |
| 09:47.39 | flux | well, maybe they don't like to do daemons. once a proper solution arrives, I'd imagine they are happy to use it. |
| 09:47.45 | achipa | mece: yes, libqtm-12 is going to extras after we give it a shake |
| 09:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-12 11:23:41] <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: listening to lis302 directly is a layering violation as that'S a task best performed by a middleware (like mce, fso) that needs root and exclusive access to sensors like lis302 [2011-05-12 11:24:14] <DocScrutinizer> so qtm tries to do things in userland that definitely should be root daemons - this can't pan out |
| 09:47.57 | flux | it doesn't like a great deal of refactoring would be required to make use of better facilities |
| 09:48.38 | flux | I can understand if some people want to use sensors, but don't want to write system software to do it, if some other way is available. |
| 09:49.20 | mece | what exactly does "using sensors" mean? |
| 09:49.20 | achipa | ... hm, should also update the MADDE rootstraps with this one so they would be usable from QtSDK... |
| 09:49.53 | mece | achipa, yes, it's really annoying to when I can't test stuff on desktop |
| 09:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | that other way has immanent issues though, as "no resource sharing", "no proper usage of kevent or other sane concepts to keep CPU in c5"... |
| 09:50.01 | flux | mece, have functionality that depends on sensor input? |
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| 09:50.10 | mece | flux, what counts as sensors? |
| 09:50.24 | flux | mece, a component that reacts to real-world operations.. |
| 09:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | the whole concept of qtm is buggy |
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| 09:50.50 | mece | flux, umm.. like the keyboard? |
| 09:51.06 | flux | mece, like a keyboard. keyboards have great interrupt-driven support throughout the systems. |
| 09:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | in a way that's hard or even impossuble to fix |
| 09:51.41 | flux | mece, some other sensors, like the proximity sensors, doesn't have that level of support. |
| 09:51.54 | mece | flux, ok... |
| 09:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | exactly that's the problem |
| 09:52.30 | flux | and it's slightly more difficult anyway. for example how do you describe the hardware that exact condition when you want an interrupt, if you're not satisfied with a simple level triggering. |
| 09:52.42 | flux | and what if there are multiple applications that all want a different triggering level |
| 09:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | proximity sensor is connected to a CPU GPIO that probably can easily be set up to create an IRQ |
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| 09:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | flux: fuzzy, but to the point however. That's why you need a root middleware sensor handler |
| 09:54.05 | flux | docscrutinizer, which might just end up polling, if it supports complex triggering events.. |
| 09:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | and that in turn is why qtm never will pan out |
| 09:54.14 | flux | of course, it's better to have one poller than many |
| 09:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense, the hardware is designed to avoid polling |
| 09:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such case like mutually exclusive sets of triggers |
| 09:55.36 | flux | proximity sensor gives our a number I imagine? |
| 09:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 09:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | it gives one bit |
| 09:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | 1/0 |
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| 09:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | to a GPIO (general purpose input/output) of the SoC |
| 09:56.21 | flux | oh, I was thinking it might have some states in-between as well, the final value being considered as the boolean being a tunable matter. |
| 09:56.25 | mece | well regardless, DocScrutinizer, you comment that my app that uses qtm12 will drain battery, and thusly not be able to make it to extras, is just plain wrong, even with the problems you're describing, because you actually have to use those components of qtm to have the problems. |
| 09:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's true I *guess* |
| 09:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | I'd hope qtm wouldn't poll sensors if you don't even include or whatever them |
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| 09:57.51 | timeless_w7ip | odd |
| 09:58.03 | flux | I would expect you need to manually setup the class etc to get access to sensors. |
| 09:58.03 | timeless_w7ip | got a call from "reception" asking about a package |
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| 09:58.38 | flux | timeless_w7ip, but the thing is, you don't have reception?! |
| 09:58.39 | flux | ;) |
| 09:58.44 | mece | DocScrutinizer, well as I said it used 0.0% cpu. so qtm location bits seem fine. |
| 09:58.48 | DocScrutinizer | but then otoh you never know which stuff in qtm is using the sensors for their own purposes, like "QOrientation" (if there's such a thing), display ratio which is based on orientation, etc etc |
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| 09:59.18 | flux | docscrutinizer, how does the current web browser detect the orientation change, btw? |
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| 09:59.28 | flux | I guess it can just use the same mechanism. or if it doesn't, it could in the future. |
| 09:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, ask MohammadAG |
| 10:00.09 | flux | in any case, I can see (reiterating my point) that the QT Mobility team doesn't consider writing daemons to platforms beloinging into the project scope. |
| 10:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 10:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | but that's no excuse for doing botch |
| 10:01.38 | mece | DocScrutinizer, have you filed bugs? |
| 10:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | you can't base the architecture of a general purpose lib on what you like to write and what you don't |
| 10:02.22 | flux | indeed. better say "this is impossible, because it results in non-optimal battery consumption." |
| 10:02.43 | flux | I really really doubt that is an architectural decision, btw. |
| 10:02.51 | flux | rather the implementation of one class. |
| 10:03.00 | flux | qt is really built to be very asynchronous. |
| 10:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I as well wondered why they went for this concept there |
| 10:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | mece: (ticket) ask Venemo |
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| 10:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | flux: (better say "this is impossible, because it results in non-optimal battery..) also in race conditions when several concurrent apps try to access the same sensor, esp when it's a configurable sensor like lis302dl g-meter that *needs* some reasonable configuration and management |
| 10:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | flux: this qtm approach is kinda DOS-minded - "I'm *the* (only) app running on this machine, so I can pretty much do what I want as long as I clean up befor quit" |
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| 10:21.03 | timeless_w7ip | flux: correct, the call was from Nokia reception |
| 10:21.07 | timeless_w7ip | and i don't work for nokia |
| 10:21.16 | timeless_w7ip | they were very funny |
| 10:21.22 | timeless_w7ip | first they accused me of coming in this morning |
| 10:21.28 | timeless_w7ip | then they accused me of coming in yesterday morning |
| 10:21.39 | timeless_w7ip | then they accused me of having received a package |
| 10:22.04 | timeless_w7ip | ... what i actually did was attempt to *leave* a box for nokia <to be trashed by an authorized employee> yesterday afternoon! |
| 10:23.46 | timeless_w7ip | (it was the box for my corporate DSL modem, i had returned the modem when I resigned and discovered the box later) |
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| 10:39.42 | ShadowJK | You resigned? |
| 10:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | he did |
| 10:45.01 | frals | timeless_w7ip: so where are you going now, RIM? |
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| 10:55.08 | RST38h | timeless: No longer at Nokia? Where to then? |
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| 11:01.04 | timeless_w7ip | frals: yes |
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| 11:05.01 | SpeedEvil | imagines for a moment RIM going open-source. |
| 11:05.06 | SpeedEvil | has doubts. |
| 11:05.21 | sp3000 | has a cold |
| 11:05.23 | sp3000 | trade? |
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| 11:22.00 | timeless_w7ip | speedevil: these days most companies use some open source software |
| 11:22.39 | timeless_w7ip | RIM bought Torch Mobile |
| 11:24.20 | timeless_w7ip | but i won't be working on software |
| 11:24.26 | timeless_w7ip | so i'm not going to care |
| 11:24.36 | timeless_w7ip | my goal is to improve the life of normal people |
| 11:24.54 | timeless_w7ip | and while i work on software, my goal is to develop skills i can market to future employers |
| 11:25.14 | timeless_w7ip | working on open source software at one employer is a marketable skill when i talk to my next prospective employer |
| 11:25.24 | timeless_w7ip | working on a product which is full of trade secrets, is not |
| 11:25.34 | timeless_w7ip | and if that product never ships, then i have very little to show |
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| 11:26.40 | timeless_w7ip | grr |
| 11:26.43 | timeless_w7ip | hates this stuff |
| 11:26.57 | timeless_w7ip | someone is bugging me to add ~5 extra lines to a patch |
| 11:27.07 | timeless_w7ip | but that requires getting access to $random_lame_vcs |
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| 11:31.42 | RST38h | "You're awesome! Thanks for trying Google Chrome!" <== what is with the "awesome" part? How is downloading this thing making me awesome? |
| 11:32.19 | RST38h | writes it off as incomprehensible figure of speech |
| 11:34.04 | ShadowJK | After babysitting users trying to use facebook, just the fact that they manage to click a link and download something makes them quite awesome, relatively speaking |
| 11:34.08 | robbiethe1st | RST38h: You gave them /free/ data! How much more awesome can you get? |
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| 11:34.35 | RST38h | Not yet. |
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| 11:35.07 | lardman|home | RST38h: they just know that you in particular are awsome because they've already been tracking your web usage ;) |
| 11:35.14 | lardman|home | or awesome even :) |
| 11:35.17 | RST38h | Ah |
| 11:35.24 | RST38h | awwsome, indeed |
| 11:41.51 | flux | rst38h, you know how everyone thinkgs that they are not special enough to be tracked? well, with google chrome you ARE that awesome! |
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| 11:55.28 | Venemo_N900 | meh |
| 11:55.50 | Venemo_N900 | since I've reflashed my N900, transmission (again) refuses to work |
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| 12:05.31 | Venemo_N900 | how can I get apt-get to ignore the dependencies of something? |
| 12:06.32 | Sicelo_ | ~aiui |
| 12:06.32 | infobot | aiui is, like, As I Understand It |
| 12:09.11 | mece | Venemo_N900, --ignore-missing |
| 12:12.01 | Venemo_N900 | thx mece |
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| 12:13.19 | Venemo_N900 | mece, it doesn't work |
| 12:14.14 | mece | Venemo_N900, what does it say? |
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| 12:16.18 | Venemo_N900 | same thing it says without that option |
| 12:16.38 | mece | Venemo_N900, bugger. well then wget the deb and do dpkg --force-conflicts -i file.deb |
| 12:17.33 | mece | Venemo_N900, or you can apt-get --download-only if you don't feel like looking for the file |
| 12:18.13 | mece | they end up somewhere... was it ~/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/ perhaps |
| 12:18.40 | mece | anyway good luck with that. I'm off. |
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| 12:23.14 | Venemo_N900 | eh |
| 12:23.22 | Venemo_N900 | this crap froze |
| 12:23.33 | Venemo_N900 | and now I get 'readonly filesystem' |
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| 12:29.20 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, could you repeat me what to do when I get readonly filesystem? |
| 12:30.12 | trx | actually readonly fs would be usefull when conecting to windows pc's via usb |
| 12:30.25 | trx | i usually pickup all kind of crap |
| 12:30.31 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
| 12:30.36 | Venemo_N900 | yeah |
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| 12:34.06 | merlin1991 | andjust the mass storage sh? :D |
| 12:34.11 | merlin1991 | *adjust* |
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| 13:50.00 | arvut | haj haj im so.. |
| 13:52.07 | arvut | I think I just came up with an algorithm for a crypto.. |
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| 13:52.58 | SpeedEvil | Generally some of the most ill-advised words in coding. |
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| 13:53.28 | SpeedEvil | Right along with 'naah - I don't think I need to salt these passwords'. |
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| 13:53.59 | SpeedEvil | And 'I'll just use the encrypted seconds since epoch as my key. |
| 13:59.47 | edheldil | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 14:00.15 | ShadowJK | arvut, does it involve ^ |
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| 14:10.51 | edheldil | ShadowJK: no, it does (n+3)%26 with each letter of the plaintext ;-) |
| 14:12.41 | edheldil | SpeedEvil: even better is "let's remove this MD_update() since valgrind thinks it's unassigned data" :-D |
| 14:13.23 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 14:14.32 | SpeedEvil | That also shows a more subtle problem. |
| 14:14.47 | SpeedEvil | Namely the lack of reviews in security code. |
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| 14:16.20 | edheldil | One could argue that the act of review was the problem :) |
| 14:18.31 | SpeedEvil | I suppose that's the major reason why I think linus is wrong that 'security bugs are just bugs' |
| 14:19.02 | SpeedEvil | In that there is at least a subset of them where tehy work just fine for 'normal' users, and only exhibit flaws for attackers. |
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| 14:26.55 | edheldil | SpeedEvil: Agreed in the sense that for sys admins deciding whether to install a new kernel there's a huge difference between a bug which does not affect them during normal operation and an exploitable flaw |
| 14:27.45 | jacekowski | have you heard that nokia has applied for FCC certification for N9 |
| 14:27.54 | SpeedEvil | Not quite that - I mean that security issues may be utterly silent until you have an attacker. It will never ever cause normal users an issue. So it can only be found on cod review. |
| 14:27.56 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 14:28.05 | SpeedEvil | decides on fish-fingers for tonight. |
| 14:28.11 | SpeedEvil | And I meant code review of course. |
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| 14:28.59 | Nanohcv | hello, who is responsible for the repositories? Or how can I remove my Application from extras-devel? |
| 14:29.15 | jacekowski | you can't |
| 14:29.25 | jacekowski | once uploaded it stays there forever |
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| 14:29.50 | Nanohcv | Nobody can remove it? |
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| 14:30.05 | jacekowski | somebody can remove it |
| 14:30.07 | jacekowski | but he's not here |
| 14:31.38 | Nanohcv | thanks! Where can I find somebody? :-) |
| 14:32.58 | edheldil | Nanohcv: why remove it? :) |
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| 17:04.01 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: how do you tweak it? |
| 17:04.27 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: usbnetworking or wifi? |
| 17:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | what's it? |
| 17:05.04 | chem|st | ssh to off device it was |
| 17:05.16 | chem|st | mce.ini you said |
| 17:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | aah, it seems there's some setting in mce.ini to define if device should stay "online" (aka wifi on) during act_dead |
| 17:06.18 | chem|st | act_dead is that boot state for charging |
| 17:06.31 | chem|st | ?! |
| 17:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | right atm I'm unsure if it's been mce.ini, but I think it was |
| 17:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | act_dead is charging while "off" |
| 17:07.12 | chem|st | so predefined network to logon to by IAP_ID or what? |
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| 17:07.43 | chem|st | have a google search phrase in mind or a link already? |
| 17:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | I've not looked into it thoroughly, just noticed some comment regarding this somewhere |
| 17:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | wait a minute |
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| 17:08.23 | chem|st | mmh would be interesting to have it provide an usb interface |
| 17:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | [SoftPowerOff] |
| 17:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | # Connectivity policy with charger connected |
| 17:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | et al, in mce.ini |
| 17:09.33 | chem|st | softpoweroff is not in use in rx51 |
| 17:09.48 | chem|st | thats for <810 afaik |
| 17:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 17:10.24 | chem|st | at least that is what I remember from a discussion about that softpoweroff-state |
| 17:12.09 | chem|st | gtg |
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| 17:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, act_dead aka soft-poweroff is an init-state. So you always can tailor etc/rc5(?).d/* to meet your idea of what this state should really do |
| 17:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ^^^ |
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| 17:36.51 | blizzow2 | I used to have an N900, then I lost it skiing, so I picked up a new one and a new SIM card from T-mobile USA. I had tethering working on my old N900, but now it doesn't. I called T-mobile and they said I needed to add a tethering plan to my already unlimited data/web. I don't believe the customer service guy, does anyone here know how I should be setting up tethering? (With Ubuntu Natty) |
| 17:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | pondering about that, I come to think it might well be worth to #define act_sane act_dead |
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| 17:38.00 | Venemo | blizzow2, tethering is not really good without a data plan anyway |
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| 17:39.04 | blizzow2 | It worked well enough with my old N900 Venemo. |
| 17:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. make act_dead a state where you get a minimalistic but guaranteed to work system, that's not influenced by any tweaks to normal initstate tweaks like messing with mounts and other tweaks to init, settings, widgets, whatever |
| 17:39.20 | blizzow2 | C0s3.14pho! |
| 17:39.50 | e-yes | only way to disable tethering i see is set TTL on incoming IP packets to 1. is this what they really do? |
| 17:40.16 | ShadowJK | does the usual browser work? |
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| 17:42.42 | ShadowJK | 80% C4 |
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| 17:42.51 | ShadowJK | quiet time of day on irc I guess |
| 17:42.59 | Proteous | too quiet |
| 17:43.04 | Venemo | yeah |
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| 17:57.53 | jacekowski | e-yes: you can work around ttl as well |
| 17:58.27 | blizzow2 | Venemo: plus, I do have a data plan. From my N900 I can ssh, surf the web, or use bittorrent... I shouldn't have to pay $15/month just to hook my laptop up to it. |
| 17:58.35 | e-yes | yea. if so (TTL=1) it's possible to fix it via iptables, me thinks. |
| 17:58.57 | Venemo | blizzow2, okay, then it should indeed work |
| 17:58.58 | jacekowski | blizzow2: well, you should |
| 17:59.09 | jacekowski | blizzow2: T&C says that data plan is to be used only on phone |
| 17:59.25 | jacekowski | but well, what is the problem |
| 17:59.32 | jacekowski | you get any error messages or something |
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| 18:20.41 | blizzow2 | jacekowski: no error messages. |
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| 18:26.20 | Hukka | Ok... so I updated media player, and now the album list is ignoring my flac albums |
| 18:27.08 | Hukka | It's not that it doesn't understand the metadata; if I select a file to play via file view, it adds it and the player shows the album and artist correctly |
| 18:27.26 | Hukka | Nor is it a matter of resetting tracker, did that and it still only adds mp3 albums |
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| 18:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | blizzow2: just ignore that |
| 18:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | there's basically zero difference between you surfing via microb on N900, and you surfing via FF on PC which it tethered to N900 |
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| 18:43.32 | ShadowJK | the point about TTL though.. |
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| 18:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | maemo is tethered to modem same way as any buntkuh on a PC, in PC-Suite mode |
| 18:45.29 | ShadowJK | hm.. |
| 18:47.38 | ds3 | use slirp to tether |
| 18:47.57 | ds3 | so it becomes just an app doing weird data access |
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| 18:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | damn, what's been the command to erase single lines from chanlog? povbot! erase RE .*tweak.*tweak.*tweak.* ? |
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| 18:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for that line, seems I suffered from a general pariry error on stack |
| 19:00.52 | RST38h | Doc: what line? =) |
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| 19:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | the one matching that RE, isn't that obvious ;-D |
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| 19:20.06 | yigal | how do I completely erase my N900 |
| 19:20.54 | Hukka | Write over with the default images |
| 19:21.46 | Hukka | Both the "firmware" and the default contents. That restores the 9 trailer etc |
| 19:21.47 | yigal | I tried with RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin, but I think there's something else I need to use? |
| 19:22.02 | Hukka | Yeah, that's just the programs, not the contents of the home |
| 19:22.09 | Hukka | Don't remember the filename, but it's out there |
| 19:22.46 | yigal | ok, one sec I'll throw names at you |
| 19:22.49 | Hukka | What was the page? |
| 19:22.53 | yigal | eMMC image |
| 19:22.59 | yigal | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 19:23.02 | yigal | ? |
| 19:23.57 | Hukka | yigal: Yeah, that's the one |
| 19:24.01 | Hukka | The emmc image |
| 19:24.07 | yigal | cool, thought so :D |
| 19:24.40 | chx | So anyone knows more about that n900 successor that guy was tweeting about the other day? |
| 19:24.52 | chx | my finger is twitching to buy a Veer :/ |
| 19:24.53 | yigal | ? sounds cool |
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| 19:24.57 | yigal | chx: :D |
| 19:25.00 | Hukka | chx: I imagine that if someone does, they can't tell |
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| 19:25.14 | Hukka | Besides, we've had N9 rumours for a year now *sigh* |
| 19:25.25 | chx | honestly, my problem with the n900 is that it's too large. the Veer looks tiiiiny |
| 19:26.03 | GeneralAntilles | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/11/nokia-rm-680nokia-n950n9-passes-fcc-looks-like-the-qwerty-n9-leaked-from-last-year/ |
| 19:26.38 | chx | OH |
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| 19:26.59 | yigal | similar form factor but 4 row keyboard, thumbs UP |
| 19:27.41 | yigal | why 3 rows for a hacking device? |
| 19:27.47 | yigal | could never understand this |
| 19:28.06 | chx | weight will decide. the 180gr of the n900 is killing me. |
| 19:28.23 | GeneralAntilles | yigal: keeps your fingers closer to the touchscreen. |
| 19:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | As Maemo is very touch-oriented, this works out better. |
| 19:29.16 | yigal | ok, that type of use makes sense, thanks for a sensible rational |
| 19:29.36 | Venemo | chx, 180g is killing you??? |
| 19:29.54 | yigal | lift some weights good on so many levels |
| 19:30.02 | chx | yes, a phone shouldnt be more than 100gr |
| 19:30.09 | chx | i still ues my E51 more because it's light |
| 19:30.27 | chx | Now come on I exercise daily that does not mean i like a 180gr brick in my pocket :/ |
| 19:30.29 | Venemo | I never understand why people thing that 180g is heavy. |
| 19:30.34 | yigal | :D |
| 19:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | chx, a phone, maybe, but a pocketable laptop is something else. ;) |
| 19:30.54 | Venemo | 20 kg may be heavy. 50 kg is definitely heavy. 180 g is not heavy. at all. |
| 19:31.18 | yigal | I have a viliv S5 390g, this is still fine with me |
| 19:31.28 | yigal | but I understand |
| 19:33.55 | merlin1991 | pokes X-Fade cloak? |
| 19:34.40 | yigal | 30s more of downloading emmc image looking forward to getting my partition back |
| 19:37.57 | yigal | yes, it's writing, I'm a happy man |
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| 19:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | >>In 1956, the worldâs first partly automatic car phone system, Mobile System A (MTA), was launched in Sweden. MTA phones were composed of vacuum tubes and relays, and had a weight of 40 kg<< |
| 19:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | now THAT'S heavy |
| 19:49.32 | yigal | but who cares if it's attached to a car |
| 19:49.42 | RST38h | Not if it is permanently attached to a car |
| 19:49.44 | RST38h | heh |
| 19:49.47 | yigal | it's not like you have to heft all 40kg+ |
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| 19:50.17 | RST38h | actually remembers transistor based systems like that |
| 19:50.49 | yigal | I've heard carrying ~20% of one's weight continuously is quite good for endurance and overall strength |
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| 19:51.14 | yigal | so maybe that's the way to go, though that's more on the order of ~20kg at most |
| 19:51.51 | RST38h | Meanwhile, 100% of Fukushima Unit-1 rods are melted |
| 19:52.18 | yigal | so sad |
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| 19:52.39 | RST38h | so fun |
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| 19:53.20 | Hukka | rd: Apparently they have stopped covering it completely over here |
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| 19:54.21 | yigal | Hukka: here? |
| 19:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | one time in two years when a hope for somebody jumping up yelling "this is MOT a phone" - meh.... |
| 19:55.13 | yigal | MOT or NOT? |
| 19:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | N900 definitely is the smallest lightest 600MHz 256MB RAM 32GB storage PC I ever touched |
| 19:55.19 | yigal | yes |
| 19:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | NOT of course |
| 19:55.35 | yigal | sorry I'm being a grammar nazi |
| 19:55.55 | Hukka | It's not grammar |
| 19:55.59 | Hukka | It's spelling... |
| 19:56.11 | Hukka | Sorry for being a semantic smartass |
| 19:56.11 | yigal | yes |
| 19:57.55 | yigal | no that's syntax |
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| 20:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | yigal: that's been a typo |
| 20:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | a simple mechanical 1-off typo |
| 20:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | at least on NY keyboard ;-P |
| 20:02.49 | yigal | :D |
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| 20:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | btw syntax definitions only apply loosely to natural speech |
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| 20:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | it even seems natural speech has a fuzzy dynamic syntax, if any |
| 20:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 20:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 20:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | imho |
| 20:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | even ore on IRC (and SMS) |
| 20:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | Nore |
| 20:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | XD |
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| 20:50.41 | yigal | DocScrutinizer: tru dat, 4 sure |
| 20:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 20:54.26 | RST38h | "Bin Laden wanted to attack U.S. on 9/11 anniversary" <== so sentimental! |
| 20:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | fine. I've not been sure about anybody getting my point |
| 20:55.06 | RST38h | "In one particularly macabre bit of mathematics, bin Laden's writings show him musing over just how many Americans he must kill to force the U.S. to withdraw from the Arab world." |
| 20:55.39 | SpeedEvil | I'm surprised they haven't brought up his massive porn collection. |
| 20:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 20:56.03 | SpeedEvil | Of him rogering pigs, or something. |
| 20:56.41 | RST38h | SPeed: probably confiscated it and are now enjoying it themselves |
| 20:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | completely useless. They've tried this with several al qaida dudes - arab world ignores it |
| 20:57.19 | RST38h | ok, pigs no longer work, neither do skyscrapers. |
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| 20:57.32 | RST38h | will both sides take it to the next level? =) |
| 20:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | nothing US can do will impress those fanatics. They don't even believe Al Qaida that bin laden is dead |
| 20:58.47 | RST38h | hey I do not even wholly believe bin Laden has ever been alive! |
| 20:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | when sth comes from the west, is related to the west, or involves actions of the west, it's for sure a hoax. At least for them |
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| 21:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you're probably pretty close to all fanatic islamists: "Our blood is no real blood. Only your blood is real blood" |
| 21:01.54 | RST38h | Doc: Nah, that is too deep for me |
| 21:02.37 | RST38h | Doc: I simply suspect the whole bin Laden craze to be a hoax, on the basis of it being a little bit too convenient |
| 21:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | seems they have a tendency to think of *this* life as something unreal, and it's a good thing to escape from it |
| 21:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | so wait 50 years, I bet they tell us Bin Laden never existed as a real human being, but more like some incarnation of god that's immortal by definition |
| 21:03.59 | RST38h | Doc: This approach is not specific to Islam though, mostly specific to places with a lot of piss poor single 16-25 years old males with no prospects for advancement |
| 21:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 21:04.39 | yigal | crusades, poor ass Germany WWII |
| 21:04.40 | RST38h | Doc: In the middle ages, wars usually took care of weeding these out |
| 21:04.54 | DocScrutinizer | you forgot "and with abysmal education" |
| 21:04.56 | yigal | stop the poor ass males from going crazy, please |
| 21:05.37 | RST38h | yigal: you find a solution for this problem, and they will give you a Nobel Peace Prize at the very least |
| 21:06.03 | RST38h | [hint: concentration camps have been tried before, think harder] |
| 21:06.10 | yigal | damnit |
| 21:06.13 | rm_work | umm, huge porn drops? |
| 21:06.24 | rm_work | just keep them in their rooms all day |
| 21:06.25 | Hukka | RST38h: They weren't run by women |
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| 21:06.46 | Hukka | Ergo not all of the poor ass males were on the right side |
| 21:07.17 | rm_work | IMO free porn == problem solved |
| 21:07.18 | RST38h | Hukka: this does not actually matter at the end |
| 21:08.11 | RST38h | Hukka: You have got male group A watching male group B. The only difference between those is the fence placement and the weaponry |
| 21:08.39 | Hukka | Yeah, but if it was a female group watching the males it might end up differently |
| 21:08.48 | yigal | :D |
| 21:08.51 | RST38h | Hukka: Smarter dictators had constant rotation between these two groups |
| 21:08.56 | Hukka | Might be interesting if all the armed forces were changed female only |
| 21:09.23 | RST38h | Hukka: "Female group watching the males" is pretty much a definition of any modern education system |
| 21:09.37 | Hukka | Not in our university it isn't |
| 21:09.51 | yigal | are you monks or are they all lezbians? |
| 21:09.56 | RST38h | Ok, primary-through-high school education. |
| 21:10.00 | Hukka | And more often than not the principals even in lower levels are men |
| 21:10.18 | RST38h | Depends. |
| 21:10.21 | yigal | Hukka: ah separation of the sexes, so sad |
| 21:10.37 | rm_work | I went to a private gradeschool where our principle actually WAS a nun T_T |
| 21:10.56 | yigal | did she beat you with a meter stick? |
| 21:11.23 | RST38h | rm_work: Have you been shown a sculpture of some crucified guy and told his grades were really low? =) |
| 21:11.32 | yigal | lol |
| 21:11.37 | Hukka | RST38h: Good one |
| 21:11.42 | rm_work | lol |
| 21:11.45 | nox- | haha |
| 21:11.54 | Hukka | "Always look into the bright side..." |
| 21:12.13 | nox- | at the bright side... |
| 21:12.16 | nox- | :) |
| 21:13.31 | jani | RST38h: url ? |
| 21:14.28 | mc_teo | Irlandais, douze points |
| 21:16.22 | yigal | great song either way |
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| 21:24.21 | RST38h | 11~1 |
| 21:25.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n8-00-3-2-touch-screen-dual-camera-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-w-java-tf-red-71210 - I wonder how much it'd be to get one of these vendors to release something useful. |
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| 21:35.19 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: as in an open operating system on it? |
| 21:35.54 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 21:36.01 | SpeedEvil | Well - not this specific model. |
| 21:36.20 | SpeedEvil | Though it probably could run linux of a form - it's not going to do much well. |
| 21:36.35 | cehteh | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sm-w968-1-2-touch-screen-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-watch-with-bluetooth-headset-black-33641 |
| 21:36.37 | cehteh | haha |
| 21:37.08 | cehteh | 190grams |
| 21:37.18 | cehteh | gives a good punch :) |
| 21:37.41 | jani | not that much ui design effort in those screenshots |
| 21:38.33 | cehteh | these things are not made for brand recognition or sustainable user experience |
| 21:38.50 | cehteh | the only point is to produce them as cheap as possible and sell them |
| 21:38.51 | jani | no shit =) |
| 21:39.22 | cehteh | anyone ever tried to get a warranty repair for such a phone? |
| 21:39.38 | cehteh | that must be an interesting experience |
| 21:40.56 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: Sure. |
| 21:41.09 | jani | i wonder if they bought gsm licenses from nokia ? =) |
| 21:41.14 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: The problem the west has is that it's not going to stay this way. |
| 21:42.10 | SpeedEvil | On the battery of above watch. |
| 21:42.19 | SpeedEvil | 'To preven tinjury or burns' |
| 21:42.24 | cehteh | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n900-2-5-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-33953 |
| 21:42.28 | cehteh | haha n900 mini :) |
| 21:42.33 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't that just inspire you as to the quality and attention to detail in the product. |
| 21:43.14 | cehteh | there where some really good n900 fakes |
| 21:43.34 | cehteh | (good as in looking almost like the original) |
| 21:44.46 | cehteh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t27QMN5AH2c |
| 21:46.13 | jani | cehteh: damn, it booted fast! |
| 21:46.49 | SpeedEvil | I love portrait mode hands. |
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| 22:12.50 | Venemo | cehteh, lol |
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| 22:18.39 | GAN900 | Ubuntu: Continually useless. |
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| 22:19.13 | Venemo | GAN900, why don't you give a try to F15? |
| 22:19.43 | Venemo | GAN900, it's still beta, but definitely worth a try |
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| 22:21.25 | GAN900 | If a laptop is supposedly "Supported" shouldn't things actually work? |
| 22:21.56 | Venemo | yeah |
| 22:22.18 | GAN900 | Certified, I should say. |
| 22:22.56 | Venemo | "certified" is supposed to be better than just "supported" |
| 22:25.37 | SpeedEvil | Why smart devices are a bad idea. |
| 22:25.41 | SpeedEvil | http://i.imgur.com/S0UZQ.jpg |
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| 22:28.07 | rm_work | ROFL |
| 22:28.12 | clmbr | hi all |
| 22:28.37 | nox- | haha |
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| 23:44.37 | Jaffa | Hmm, trying to connect to my IrSSI session in screen via Terminus on the iPad. Seems to be working well :-) |
| 23:45.07 | Venemo | Jaffa, you have an iPad? |
| 23:45.30 | Jaffa | Venemo: bought it yesterday whilst in the US |
| 23:45.56 | Venemo | Jaffa, does it worth its money? |
| 23:46.14 | Jaffa | For when the N900 is too small or battery life too shit. |
| 23:46.33 | Venemo | mhm |
| 23:46.35 | merlin1991 | Jaffa, can you lart X-Fade for me? :D |
| 23:46.41 | Jaffa | I liquidated some other gadgets to get the xash |
| 23:46.46 | merlin1991 | my cloak is still mia :P |
| 23:46.48 | Jaffa | s/xash/cash/ |
| 23:46.52 | Venemo | for such cases, I'd rather have some android tablet which I can hack meego on |
| 23:47.08 | Jaffa | X-Fade: pping re merlin1991's cloak... |
| 23:47.24 | SpeedEvil | Is the ipad jailbroken yet? |
| 23:47.42 | Jaffa | I played with some |
| 23:48.03 | Jaffa | Venemo: It's still shit and the reviews are right. |
| 23:48.13 | Venemo | Jaffa, "it"=? |
| 23:48.18 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: No, and that is one of my cpncerns |
| 23:48.25 | Jaffa | Venemo: Honeycomb |
| 23:48.48 | Venemo | Jaffa, well, that doesn't really matter much. as I said, I'd hack meego onto it |
| 23:50.07 | Jaffa | Venemo: There're still vendor-specific jailbreaks required, aren't there; or do those not required for the big boys? |
| 23:50.20 | Venemo | dunno |
| 23:50.48 | Venemo | what I do know is archos for example opened up their devices |
| 23:51.17 | GAN900 | Well, after the 10.10 installer helpfully nuked my W7 partition and I reinstalled 11.04 from scratch resume seems to be working. |
| 23:51.20 | GAN900 | Woo |
| 23:51.32 | Venemo | GAN900, congrats :) |
| 23:51.45 | GAN900 | Jaffa, how's Detroit. Immigration control didn't abuse you too terribly I hope? |
| 23:51.56 | Venemo | anyway now, it's 2 AM and I'll have an exam tomorrow... so I'd better get some sleep |
| 23:52.02 | Venemo | so, good evening guys :) |
| 23:52.33 | GAN900 | Later |
| 23:52.53 | Venemo | bb |
| 23:53.58 | yigal | I have a UMPC that has a female micro usb port. I've just installed Ubuntu 11.04 on it, I'm wondering if there's a way to ssh into the new device via usb as I would on an N900? If someone has any clue and is willing to share I'd be grateful. |
| 23:54.38 | xd13 | when i can actually afford it i want to buy an imac and put slackware on it put a ban sticker on the apple logo and a penguin one 2......the only problem is i'll b supporting apple by purchasing the laptop |
| 23:54.52 | xd13 | macbook not imac |
| 23:55.16 | SpeedEvil | yigal: You need to setup sshd listening on the port, and then setup a USB-gadget-ethernet driver on the port. |
| 23:55.27 | Venemo | xd13, lol |
| 23:55.30 | SpeedEvil | xd13: Steal it. |
| 23:55.31 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:55.34 | xd13 | na |
| 23:56.02 | xd13 | apple has to be the company i hate more than any other |
| 23:56.35 | xd13 | i'm not saying they have bad products by any means they just control the living shit out of everything and i will hate them endlessly for it |
| 23:56.46 | Venemo | actually, google is even more evil |
| 23:56.50 | yigal | SpeedEvil: how do I do the "USB-gadget-ethernet driver on the port" business? |
| 23:57.10 | xd13 | google can turn super evil at any second |
| 23:57.20 | Venemo | google _is_ super evil |
| 23:57.31 | xd13 | at least they give free products |
| 23:57.35 | yigal | SpeedEvil: is this a pretty standard business, should I just rtfm e.g. google it? |
| 23:57.40 | GAN900 | xd13, Apple doesn't lie about it, though. |
| 23:57.47 | xd13 | very true |
| 23:57.54 | xd13 | but it sucks that people don't care |
| 23:57.57 | GAN900 | xd13, Google just PRETENDS to be Open. |
| 23:57.58 | xd13 | they just give in |
| 23:58.00 | GAN900 | Which is fine |
| 23:58.02 | Venemo | xd13, android does the same thing as apple. the difference is, apple admits openly that it is evil, but google doesn't. |
| 23:58.14 | SpeedEvil | yigal: pretty much. |
| 23:58.16 | xd13 | if they ever join forces |
| 23:58.16 | Venemo | google lies about itself; this makes it more evil |
| 23:58.24 | SpeedEvil | yigal: maemo isn't doing anything special. |
| 23:58.33 | Venemo | [01:57] <xd13> but it sucks that people don't care ----> sucks indeed |
| 23:58.56 | xd13 | i have an ipod video with rockbox on it |
| 23:59.07 | yigal | SpeedEvil: that's great! ok I have my next move planned then |
| 23:59.35 | xd13 | best mp3 player ever right now but if this thing dies i will have 2 find me something that i can just drag and drop files onto no way am i dealing with a humongo piece of software just to copy my music over |
