| 00:02.09 | FIQ|n900 | http://i56.tinypic.com/11htrug.png |
| 00:02.14 | FIQ|n900 | I prefer black |
| 00:02.17 | FIQ|n900 | background |
| 00:02.55 | MohammadAG | same as my xchat |
| 00:03.11 | MohammadAG | I did have kinetic scrolling in userlist at one point |
| 00:03.48 | merlin1991 | hah now I know you're on quakenet too ;) |
| 00:04.00 | FIQ|n900 | :P |
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| 00:07.56 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: did you post to n4g.com about the GMail hacking? |
| 00:08.25 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, no, I'm not sure it's related to PSN |
| 00:08.30 | MohammadAG | the IP is finnish |
| 00:08.46 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, yeah, my very old WoW account got the same treatment. |
| 00:08.57 | merlin1991 | http://i55.tinypic.com/2jd2sk3.png |
| 00:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | But there's an EddyD posting about it with your avatar. :P |
| 00:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://n4g.com/news/752319/psn-hacked-my-gmail-hacked/com |
| 00:10.28 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: You don't have any NDAd material the hacker could release do you? |
| 00:10.58 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, on my WoW account? *g* |
| 00:11.03 | GeneralAntilles | And, no, nothing from Nokia floating around. |
| 00:11.07 | GeneralAntilles | Been too long off the council. ;) |
| 00:11.40 | SpeedEvil | That's a relief. :) |
| 00:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | Thank goodness not much shared that password. |
| 00:12.50 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, nah, not me :P |
| 00:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | Coincidence, then. |
| 00:14.49 | SpeedEvil | http://jonoscript.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/pass_hist.png |
| 00:14.52 | SpeedEvil | I find revealing. |
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| 00:18.36 | BCMM_ | GeneralAntilles: great truncation there! |
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| 01:07.39 | MohammadAG | I hate facebook |
| 01:07.52 | MohammadAG | they're breaking all apps by October 1st |
| 01:07.57 | nox- | just doesnt use it |
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| 01:09.32 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you mean not allowing other than non-approved clients? |
| 01:09.39 | Kilroo | ...you know, if I'm planning on repartitioning the emmc anyhow, I imagine there isn't a great deal of point in also putting supplemental swap space on an SD card, is there. |
| 01:09.52 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, something about SSL certificates |
| 01:10.00 | MohammadAG | https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/497 |
| 01:12.06 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:12.23 | MohammadAG | this might only be related to apps that use JS to login |
| 01:13.36 | MohammadAG | oh well, I'll see about that in october |
| 01:14.57 | Kilroo | Febtober. |
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| 03:34.29 | pauly | anyone want to buy n900 with broken usb in usa |
| 03:35.24 | cehteh | again? :) |
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| 03:36.13 | pauly | yes |
| 03:36.22 | pauly | u never replied |
| 03:37.09 | pauly | cehteh hello |
| 03:37.23 | cehteh | i hoped you want to give it away for really cheap :P |
| 03:37.29 | cehteh | i am not in usa anyway |
| 03:37.45 | pauly | oh |
| 03:37.55 | pauly | 250 usd |
| 03:37.56 | cehteh | i could use a 2nd device for spare parts, experimentation and software tests |
| 03:38.10 | cehteh | but i dont want to spend much money on it |
| 03:38.44 | pauly | i want to get galaxy s 4g 21 mbps down hspa+ |
| 03:39.13 | pauly | i like speed |
| 03:39.16 | pauly | lol |
| 03:39.38 | pauly | is 250 usd to much |
| 03:42.09 | cehteh | yes |
| 03:42.19 | cehteh | way too much :) |
| 03:42.51 | cehteh | so much too much that we dont need to discuss this any further :P |
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| 03:49.33 | chx | pauly: my friend, 300 USD buys me a functional N900 off eBay any day |
| 03:49.51 | chx | pauly: with a litlte luck 250 can be achieved |
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| 03:58.16 | krayon | chx: 300 is the upper from my experience (and ebay completed listings would seem to support this) |
| 03:58.51 | cehteh | and that are working devices, not ones with broken usb port :P |
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| 04:02.03 | genewitch | what is the CHOST target for the arm architecture? IE what does gcc -v output? |
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| 04:14.31 | genewitch | no one? |
| 04:16.10 | krayon | genewitch: Do you mean in the scratchbox? |
| 04:18.02 | genewitch | if you type gcc -v on an arm machine, what's the CHOST |
| 04:18.09 | genewitch | arm-none-linux-gnu? |
| 04:18.19 | genewitch | arm-unknown? arm-generic? |
| 04:18.46 | genewitch | arm-undermydesk-pc-gnu? (freebsd jokes... hilarious) |
| 04:19.48 | genewitch | i'm setting up a toolchain elsewhere and i need the chost for a template |
| 04:19.53 | krayon | genewitch: The scratchbox reports target as arm-none-linux-gnueabi but I don't have gcc on the N900 :/ |
| 04:20.04 | genewitch | what does eabi stand for |
| 04:20.19 | chx | genewitch: if you google you do not need to click, i'ts in the result list! |
| 04:20.24 | chx | genewitch: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%2BCHOST+n900&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= |
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| 04:20.35 | chx | genewitch: CHOST=armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi |
| 04:21.34 | genewitch | chx: sweet. i'll hit both and see which one sticks. |
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| 06:51.29 | Pillum | anyone here familiar with multiboot and kernel v47 |
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| 06:51.44 | Pillum | and meego |
| 06:51.46 | Pillum | ? |
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| 06:55.30 | Pillum | I've run "apt-get install kernel-power-bootimg" but this didnt do anything |
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| 07:13.59 | Hukka | Hm |
| 07:14.31 | Hukka | I've been thinking about getting bluetooth headphones, but remember reading that N900 had some potentially huge problems with connectivity and quality. Has that changed since the early times? |
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| 07:17.15 | krayon | Hukka: I use the cheapest ones I could find off eBay (their Bluetooth ID thingy is 01:02:03:04:05:06 etc) |
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| 07:18.02 | krayon | Hukka: They work 100% perfectly, all the time, connecting and disconnecting whilst playback works fine, buttons on it work fine for controlling media player, and the range is pretty damn good too, so much so I lost my phone at home once whilst I was listening to stuff. |
| 07:18.27 | krayon | Oh, quality is good too, although I mainly listen to podcasts |
| 07:19.03 | Hukka | I think back in 09 people reported that some models (at least Jawbones) didn't work at all, and some worked perfectly |
| 07:19.08 | Hukka | Seemed like a hit-or-miss thing |
| 07:19.37 | Hukka | But perhaps Nokia phones are more reliable to work with it? |
| 07:20.01 | Hukka | These are second hand BH905s, thinking about how much they would be worth for music |
| 07:20.25 | Hukka | They also have cable connection, so if they are ok I could use them at home/work too just for music |
| 07:20.28 | krayon | Well, I've only used a Jabra headset and these cheap ass headphones but both A-OK |
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| 07:21.51 | krayon | Hukka: FWIW the ones I have look something like these: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260617451262 |
| 07:22.27 | krayon | The only issue I had with them was they stopped charging so I had to open them up and solder a broken join but that's all. Had them 2 - 2.5 years maybe. |
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| 07:44.21 | _berto_ | they're starting to announce microsoft's plans for skype |
| 07:44.26 | _berto_ | http://a.yfrog.com/img615/6462/453c.gif |
| 07:45.23 | dm8tbr | _berto_: http://www.bfst.de/funpix/we_are_doomed.jpeg |
| 07:45.34 | robbiethe1st | Yup |
| 07:45.35 | krayon | LMAO nice |
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| 07:46.09 | robbiethe1st | I've got a good idea! Boycott Skype and MS! |
| 07:46.14 | _berto_ | haha, I had seen that one too |
| 07:46.14 | robbiethe1st | hands out Linux CDs |
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| 08:35.16 | mece | daaaamn! Zehjotkah is teasing on twitter. |
| 08:36.05 | mece | @zehjotkah: I could use a worthy successor to my Nokia N900... which I can actually use in public... #MeeGo |
| 08:36.11 | mece | @zehjotkah: If you plan to buy an Android device or an iPhone: just wait two weeks, they won't run away! #MeeGo |
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| 08:39.18 | petteri | I fear you wont get N950 from the shops by 23.5, but hopefully someday in the summer |
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| 08:39.51 | citylights | hi |
| 08:40.34 | citylights | say how do I add an item to the main drop down window |
| 08:40.41 | citylights | like openvpn applet |
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| 08:43.27 | citylights | I read openvpn-applet.py and see it uses hd_plugin_type which I found here http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop |
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| 08:46.57 | mece | petteri, might be true, still, I can't help being excited. I won't buy anything until november when I can stop paying for my N900. |
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| 08:52.50 | chem|st | morning |
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| 09:09.46 | RST38h | ZiiLabs outs dual-core ZMS-20 and quad-core ZMS-40 for Honeycomb tablets, clocks 'em at 1.5GHz |
| 09:09.50 | RST38h | QUADcore |
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| 09:13.05 | SpeedEvil | QUADCOAR! |
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| 09:15.20 | Khertan | Morning |
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| 09:25.44 | dm8tbr | just means it can burn through the battery much faster *eg* |
| 09:26.39 | SpeedEvil | It depends, there are interesting possibilities of very asymetric cores. |
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| 09:27.36 | SpeedEvil | For example, imagine a core that is similar logically to the other three cores, but manufactured so it's got a maximum speed of a few dozen megahertz. This has vastly lower power. |
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| 09:28.51 | SpeedEvil | It handles all the interrupty stuff and avoids waking the main CPU, but if it's working for a sustained period - say 10ms or more - it is suspended, the register and state-set transferred to a faster core, and that's turned on. |
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| 09:32.14 | robbiethe1st | Why not just run the main core at a few dozen mhz? You could vastly undervolt it, and even if not the time spent switching(and thus, power loss) would be negligable... |
| 09:33.08 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't work. |
| 09:33.21 | SpeedEvil | Undervolting saves - perhaps - half the power. |
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| 09:33.44 | SpeedEvil | Lower speed processors can run at a hundredth of the power. |
| 09:34.39 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: we could try doing that wirh rapuyama |
| 09:34.53 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: move stuff to rapuyama and send main omap to sleep |
| 09:34.57 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:35.05 | jacekowski | unless you need screen or keyboard omap can be sleeping |
| 09:35.12 | SpeedEvil | If you can open rapuyama. :) |
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| 09:35.16 | jacekowski | but we don't know how to run stuff on rapuyama |
| 09:42.31 | robbiethe1st | SpeedEvil: My point was that, why use a whole new chip? why can't the main core be /very/ much underclocked? Perhaps using a second crystal or something |
| 09:42.50 | robbiethe1st | Unless the chip design's different, it shouldn't use much/any more power |
| 09:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Because semiconductor physics doesn't work that way. |
| 09:43.17 | robbiethe1st | Uh... what? |
| 09:43.35 | SpeedEvil | If you undervolt and underclock the device to 1/100th of its nominal speed, it will still use around a third to a half of the normal operating power. |
| 09:43.52 | SpeedEvil | Due to threshold variation of the devices on chip, and other factors. |
| 09:44.45 | jacekowski | robbiethe1st: it would be unstable if underclocked |
| 09:44.58 | robbiethe1st | Uh, why? |
| 09:45.11 | robbiethe1st | Undervolt+underclock, perhaps, but just underclock? |
| 09:45.25 | jacekowski | nope |
| 09:45.26 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: Because semiconductor devices are run on the ragged edge between instability and not working at all. |
| 09:45.30 | chem|st | there are limits where transistors do funny things |
| 09:45.40 | SpeedEvil | Underclocking and the leakage current kills you. |
| 09:46.11 | SpeedEvil | Due to process variations and variations across the wafer - and underlying physics - transistors in modern processors don't turn all the way on and off. |
| 09:46.16 | SpeedEvil | They go between on and mostly off. |
| 09:46.47 | SpeedEvil | Mostly off is fine for functionality, but it adds to massive power usage if you actually try to keep the chip active in standby, just not clocked. |
| 09:46.48 | robbiethe1st | Oh, so the problem is that the transistors are leaking a small amount, and unless it's switched back off/on, it'd slowly increase the voltage between it and the next transistor until that one turns on |
| 09:47.01 | robbiethe1st | That makes sense |
| 09:47.04 | SpeedEvil | Not really - but that can be an issue too. |
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| 09:47.38 | SpeedEvil | If that was the only problem it would be possible to reengineer so that it could be in standby unclocked. |
| 09:47.45 | chem|st | thats why tripplecores nowadays are quadcores with one core turned off.. thats not by choice that is by "not-so-good-working-state" |
| 09:48.01 | robbiethe1st | Well, half of them are. |
| 09:48.03 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that each partly-on transistor leaks current and wastes it. |
| 09:48.43 | robbiethe1st | What if you simply reduced the number of things that need to be updated during sleep? And or align the timers together so the chip can turn on, update a bunch of stuff in 1ms or so, then turn back off |
| 09:48.51 | chem|st | and turning off one core by software uses more power than throttle them to c0 |
| 09:49.32 | chem|st | applies to multicore machines |
| 09:49.38 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: And yes, that helps. |
| 09:49.41 | robbiethe1st | chem|st: Isn't that sort of what a power-gate in the new procs is supposed to do? Flip at least part of it completely off. |
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| 09:50.16 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: The issue is that it's rather inflexible - if you want to do something the hardware can't quite in software in the background - you can't. |
| 09:50.26 | chem|st | robbiethe1st: but you actualy do not want it to be off as turning it on when needed has a damn high latnecy |
| 09:50.54 | robbiethe1st | chem|st: It seems to work with the omap on the n900; turning on and off 100 times per second at least |
| 09:50.57 | SpeedEvil | For example - logging data from the accellerometer, then interrupting if certain gestures are found. |
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| 09:51.10 | chem|st | robbiethe1st: ehrm that is not off |
| 09:51.20 | SpeedEvil | It's not turning on and off 100 times a second - it's considerably less than that into C4 |
| 09:51.25 | chem|st | that is a sleep state that is something else |
| 09:51.37 | robbiethe1st | isn't that sleep state good enough, then? |
| 09:51.44 | chem|st | it is |
| 09:52.15 | SpeedEvil | It has a very large latency though. |
| 09:52.18 | chem|st | what drains your battery are some python apps, daemons, telepathy and hildon-home gone wild |
| 09:52.24 | robbiethe1st | Yes. |
| 09:52.49 | robbiethe1st | Well, and the screen. But in "standby" mode, yes., |
| 09:52.58 | chem|st | had a skype-telepathy hickup 2 days ago... 4 hours to flat |
| 09:53.34 | chem|st | the screen backlight is the drainer the lcd itself doesn't use that much |
| 09:54.11 | robbiethe1st | On our N900, what we sort of need is a power-watchdog; something that can kill apps that seem to be taking to much(which also reports the problem to the app dev) |
| 09:54.36 | chx | heh irc would be dead all the time :) |
| 09:54.43 | jacekowski | pausing the app wouldn't be bad |
| 09:54.53 | robbiethe1st | 'Cause IMHO, it'd be better having the browser or skype killed after an hour of standby then to have the battery dead |
| 09:55.08 | jacekowski | just pause it |
| 09:55.24 | jacekowski | and then resume whenever required |
| 09:55.30 | chem|st | but you dont want msg be paused |
| 09:55.44 | robbiethe1st | That's a good idea, and would work in some cases, but in others the solution might be to kill a daemon, which would then restart |
| 09:55.49 | jacekowski | tbh. all apps that are not important should be paused while you're not looking |
| 09:55.56 | robbiethe1st | aand, yes. |
| 09:56.10 | robbiethe1st | Would be nice to be able to leave web pages open without additional power drain |
| 09:56.36 | chem|st | robbiethe1st: ever heard of timeouts? |
| 09:56.53 | chem|st | simply you cannot |
| 09:57.14 | robbiethe1st | Uh, /stop/ the damn javascript whenever the screen goes off, IMHO. |
| 09:57.18 | chem|st | the framework controlling it would use more power than you get |
| 09:57.33 | robbiethe1st | Just have it remove all JS timers at some point, and pause. |
| 09:58.11 | chem|st | just deaktivate JS! |
| 09:58.16 | robbiethe1st | I mean, sure, it could cause some issues, but probably less than the current JS paused after 30 seconds thing. |
| 09:58.24 | chem|st | k->c sry |
| 09:58.36 | robbiethe1st | yea, and that's what I've taken to, but having JS available is nice. |
| 09:58.40 | chem|st | that k - c thing happens to me quiet often lately |
| 09:58.49 | robbiethe1st | and remembering to disable it all the time... not so easy or fun |
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| 10:00.21 | robbiethe1st | What I'd /like/ is a nice daemon that handles all this stuff say 5 minutes after the screen turns off; it'd pause all but a selected list of apps, disable certain timers etc. Heck, they might even have built-in functionality it could be connected to: hildon home seems to do a good job of that |
| 10:00.47 | robbiethe1st | what with the clock not being updated with the screen off(nor anything else really) |
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| 10:10.21 | SpeedEvil | Some things you want active, and can't do without something being active - for example gesture recognition. |
| 10:12.57 | cityLights | I am so gratfull openvpn-applet was written , it makes it so easy to get the UI I seek |
| 10:13.19 | cityLights | s/gratfull/grateful/ |
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| 10:47.25 | Venemo | good morning Maemo guys :) |
| 10:47.42 | merlin1991 | Morning Venemo |
| 10:48.01 | Venemo | morning merlin1991 |
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| 11:07.56 | Hukka | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=959367&postcount=35 Sounds like BT on N900 is still bad |
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| 12:17.38 | cityLights | did anyone apply electro static shock to the N900? |
| 12:17.51 | cityLights | I just did by mistake, and it rebooted |
| 12:18.23 | cityLights | I was wearing rubber shoes and when I touched it , then was a shock |
| 12:18.34 | RST38h | the syndrome particularly common among American clergymen of falsely claiming to be a former US Navy SEAL has risen to prominence, as the risk of being exposed as such a liar has risen severely. |
| 12:18.43 | RST38h | eeks |
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| 12:29.53 | cityLights | is Mikko Vartiainen here? if so I like to thank him, as I am using his code |
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| 12:33.41 | SpeedEvil | What's the code? |
| 12:34.18 | cityLights | openvpn-applet |
| 12:34.28 | cityLights | it is very helpfull |
| 12:34.36 | cityLights | easy to read |
| 12:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: ESD protection is not meant to keep running the device's processes without any impact. Though I had that 'shock' several times now and never seen it reboot |
| 12:36.56 | cityLights | yes, its not the first time, but this time , it did reboot |
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| 12:37.16 | cityLights | I just hope the new N900 will soon be out to replace this |
| 12:37.26 | cityLights | as I think this may have caused harm |
| 12:37.30 | ZogG | MohammadAG, ping |
| 12:37.52 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer waiting people to make solid work =) |
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| 12:38.15 | cityLights | "solid work"? |
| 12:38.21 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, they told expo is not that good idea, said it would be nice to use glue gun or something |
| 12:38.25 | ZogG | what do you think? |
| 12:38.46 | ZogG | cityLights, micro usb got ripped out |
| 12:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: sure, if you're willing to have a steel gaze in front of LCD, and a device that's 80% heavier |
| 12:39.10 | ZogG | ok i'll stick with expo |
| 12:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'd use epoxy 2-component glue, hot glue is not really that strong |
| 12:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | however practice with some similar objects first |
| 12:41.08 | cityLights | btw, we where using a windows mobile pre 7 yesterday, htc edge hd, and it actually halted in the middle of the trail |
| 12:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | make sure you don't tuin the receptacle by glue flowing into the receptacle |
| 12:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | ruin* |
| 12:42.05 | cityLights | imagine missing a turn becasue the gps freezes |
| 12:42.55 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer i'm scared =) |
| 12:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | you better are |
| 12:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | hot glue can be removed when you screw up. Epoxy not |
| 12:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | at least not that easy |
| 12:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | otoh hotglue is a joke |
| 12:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | kinda better stickytape |
| 12:44.44 | ZogG | that's what he said |
| 12:44.53 | ZogG | i can't remove expo opnce i used it |
| 12:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | you can, using a Dremel :-D |
| 12:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | a sharp scalpel |
| 12:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | also heating up to 250° makes some epoxy fail |
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| 12:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | but it's really really hard, so better practice and do the real thing after you feel experienced and familiar |
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| 12:55.49 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer MD Expo =) |
| 12:56.25 | chem|st | ZogG: highly depends on how clean and conditioned your surfaces are... |
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| 12:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~expo |
| 12:57.04 | infobot | i guess expo is Linux Expo - see linuxexpo.com |
| 12:58.03 | chem|st | freshly brushed metal pieces free of silicon and overall clean, tend to brake on the metal side instead of the epoxy getting lose or even brake |
| 12:58.46 | SpeedEvil | Umm - bull. |
| 12:59.09 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're perhaps talking about lead, or some other very fragile metal. |
| 12:59.57 | SpeedEvil | Or failures in bending of the metal, rather than the epoxy actually tearing the metal. |
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| 13:00.05 | infobot | ~pong |
| 13:00.19 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: we do tests like that at work... and most of the time we find metal on the epoxy surface of the freshly broken sample |
| 13:00.49 | chem|st | well we are looking on different stuff |
| 13:01.12 | SpeedEvil | On straight pull-tests? |
| 13:01.33 | chem|st | parallel |
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| 13:02.25 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough I suppose - I've never seen it when doing various prep tests on bond strengths of epoxy here. |
| 13:03.10 | chem|st | even worse on outdoor tests aluminium-epoxy we found no epoxy on the epoxy side of the sample but AlO all over the place |
| 13:03.27 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: you dont see it |
| 13:03.30 | SpeedEvil | Ah - that's different - I was assuming actual uncorroded metal |
| 13:03.45 | SpeedEvil | yeah - once corrosion comes into play, it's a _vastly_ different thing. |
| 13:04.10 | chem|st | most metals have a corroded surface |
| 13:04.19 | SpeedEvil | ponders setting up a carbon-carbon composite kiln again. |
| 13:04.24 | chem|st | in terms of oxides |
| 13:04.28 | SpeedEvil | Of course. |
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| 13:05.01 | chem|st | and you cannot se it with your eyes... we do small scale analytics with those stuff |
| 13:05.07 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 13:05.16 | SpeedEvil | has never really believed in the microscope. |
| 13:05.19 | SpeedEvil | It's all lies! |
| 13:05.31 | chem|st | for you and me it just looks like the damn epox came off |
| 13:05.56 | SpeedEvil | is currently pondering the creep strength of HDPE at 90C, and if plastic hot-water-cylinders are barking mad. |
| 13:06.05 | chem|st | no microscope... more massspectrometers |
| 13:06.08 | SpeedEvil | (if supported externally) |
| 13:06.24 | SpeedEvil | Mass spec won't tell you if it's Al, or AlO will it? |
| 13:06.39 | chem|st | time-of-flight does |
| 13:06.50 | SpeedEvil | Wouldn't you need something like that form of electron microscopy that can do analysis. |
| 13:06.54 | SpeedEvil | I forget what it's called. |
| 13:07.03 | SpeedEvil | backscatter? |
| 13:07.51 | chem|st | with xps for example you can define the bonds of O other atoms by energy |
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| 13:09.59 | SpeedEvil | In many cases, this is all mostly meaningless. |
| 13:10.17 | SpeedEvil | As much as it helps to learn about electronics by understanding bandgaps and shizzle. |
| 13:10.47 | RST38h | all science is a lie! |
| 13:10.55 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're actually in adhesives development of course. |
| 13:11.02 | SpeedEvil | Or fab design. |
| 13:11.11 | SpeedEvil | Much of science is lies. |
| 13:11.17 | RST38h | in reality, all matter is made of tiny lego pieces, but the scientists are hiding the truth! |
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| 13:11.39 | SpeedEvil | It's only in really advanced physics you get taught the currently understood 'truth'. |
| 13:11.51 | chem|st | we are after it, as noone did before we try to characterize epoxy components (mix) and matters (core - interphase - surface) influencing it's latter condition |
| 13:11.52 | SpeedEvil | Up to that point, you just get successively approximated lies. |
| 13:12.04 | RST38h | well, seriously, there is no "truth", just facts and their interpretation |
| 13:12.14 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: Sounds interesting, especially bonding to unusual composites. |
| 13:12.25 | SpeedEvil | looks at basalt fibre. |
| 13:12.27 | RST38h | but let us not allow common sense to dull our creative insanity! |
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| 13:12.53 | SpeedEvil | Surface science is hellafun. |
| 13:13.16 | chem|st | first without any bonding (just the mixtures hardened in different ways and climate conditions) - then bonding to surfaces |
| 13:13.41 | chem|st | parallel to that another project looks at composite materials |
| 13:13.46 | SpeedEvil | With various treatments I assume? |
| 13:13.51 | chem|st | yeas |
| 13:14.00 | SpeedEvil | /////me wonders again about making Al-C composite. |
| 13:14.32 | SpeedEvil | (the key is to cool it fast before the Al eats the C) |
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| 13:15.42 | chem|st | they weld Al straps with carbonfiber stuff |
| 13:16.06 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - this is carbon fibre impregnated with molten Al. |
| 13:17.27 | chem|st | looks like Al-Epoxy-C-fibre something afterwards on the braking edges |
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| 13:18.19 | chem|st | important for aero and automotive guys as they exacly (want to) do that with chassis |
| 13:19.03 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - minimum weight - maximum stiffness, maximum repair-costs. |
| 13:20.01 | chem|st | in their case the stuff is a onetimer as it is for racing models or for aero for stuff you need to replace in one piece anyway |
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| 13:20.59 | chem|st | but I would build anything of that c-fiber if not so expensive |
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| 13:21.24 | SpeedEvil | Well - raw isn't really that bad. |
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| 13:21.47 | SpeedEvil | $10/lb or so. |
| 13:22.11 | chem|st | but the epoxy |
| 13:22.15 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 13:22.27 | chem|st | the fibres arent that expensive |
| 13:23.24 | SpeedEvil | Producing nice finished stuff is. |
| 13:23.33 | SpeedEvil | At least buying nice finished stuff. |
| 13:23.38 | chem|st | hehe |
| 13:23.43 | chem|st | both |
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| 13:39.28 | RST38h | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/03/modern-delusions/ |
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| 13:39.47 | SpeedEvil | No it's not! |
| 13:40.16 | jben | Hi, |
| 13:42.15 | jben | Is it possible to ask connection from a bash script on maemo (with harware N900) ? |
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| 13:42.41 | infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 29m 5s ago, saying: 'oh well, I'll see about that in october'. |
| 13:50.06 | chem|st | jben: ? |
| 13:50.27 | chem|st | what are you after? |
| 13:50.48 | chem|st | start a wifi connection with a shell script? |
| 13:52.09 | jben | The idea is to launch a bash script with a crontab, something like that : 'start data packets connection; enable VPN; do stuff; disable VPN; close data packet connection" |
| 13:52.32 | jben | the part "enable VPN; do stuff; disable VPN;" is done and work fine |
| 13:52.48 | chem|st | ok now you want it to connect to a network |
| 13:53.57 | jben | yes |
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| 13:57.49 | chem|st | jben: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking |
| 13:57.54 | chem|st | there is all you need |
| 13:58.39 | chem|st | you may want to connect to any or to a specific access point |
| 14:06.33 | jben | chem|st: Thanks a lot, this is that I want, thanks ! |
| 14:08.04 | jben | I have another question, is it possible to do esaly a shorcut in the desktop to launch a bash script ? |
| 14:08.23 | chem|st | don't know if it still works but I am to lazy to test it, if it doesn't pls comment on it or even better add/replace with a working |
| 14:09.09 | chem|st | jben: yeah you make a .desktop file running it just search the wiki for it |
| 14:09.48 | jben | only a .desktop file, great ! |
| 14:12.10 | chem|st | yeah put it in the right place and it will be available as shortcut from the menu |
| 14:12.26 | chem|st | well only.. the formating is somewhere... |
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| 14:15.51 | chem|st | http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#Creating_desktop_shortcuts_in_Maemo |
| 14:16.16 | chem|st | that is an example from using debbie to start easy debian applications via desktopo shortcut |
| 14:17.14 | chem|st | a X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true line might be useful idk if the toolbar shows the entry by default |
| 14:20.28 | chem|st | ok it shows by dfault |
| 14:21.12 | zap | Anyone knows if osso-filemanager sourcecode was made public? |
| 14:23.54 | chem|st | afaik no |
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| 14:31.48 | RST38h | zap: No, but there is FileBox to hack at |
| 14:35.02 | zap | RST38h: will it work on N810? :) |
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| 15:09.38 | Kilroo1 | oh great...I accomplish my first reboot loop and discover that flasher won't work. Score. Time to drag out the laptop... |
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| 15:42.33 | Kilroo1 | And still unable to enumerate usb devices. Maybe I'd better try to use the rescue initrd from windows. |
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| 15:50.15 | chem|st | Kilroo1: is the device off and what does the charging light color up with when attached to a wall charger? |
| 15:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 15:51.57 | chem|st | yo DocScrutinizer |
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| 15:53.37 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: today was again one of the days where lmgtf would have been handy but I didn't use it, being nice today... all my google searches were first hit first entry and non of them for myself |
| 15:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 15:54.13 | chem|st | can infobot google? |
| 15:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | It's broken |
| 15:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~google DocScrutinizer51 |
| 15:54.56 | chem|st | ~google lazy |
| 15:55.11 | chem|st | ok |
| 15:55.14 | chem|st | no google |
| 15:55.19 | chem|st | sad |
| 15:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-11 17:55:07] <apt> 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostad |
| 15:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help google |
| 15:55.59 | chem|st | a quick reply with conversion to lmgtf without returning answers would be nice |
| 15:56.13 | chem|st | but direct tinyURL |
| 15:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~google google DocScrutinizer51 |
| 15:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~useless |
| 15:56.38 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 15:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~convert o degF to degC |
| 15:56.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~convert 0 degF to degC |
| 15:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~useless |
| 15:57.05 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 15:57.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ehrm is the chanset set? |
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| 15:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 15:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | I have nor perms for that |
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| 15:57.57 | chem|st | still? |
| 15:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | nah, it's tim's infobot |
| 15:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm no infobot admin |
| 15:58.31 | chem|st | ah ok |
| 15:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | just a well known appreciated "betatester" |
| 15:58.57 | Kilroo1 | chem|st: yes and...um...hang on a minute, I never use my wall charger. Gotta find it. |
| 15:59.23 | chem|st | Kilroo1: you wont get a usb enumeration if the battery is flat |
| 15:59.52 | chem|st | AND dont use your front-usb ports, they are hubbed inside |
| 15:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | you also won't charge it when bootlooping |
| 16:00.35 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: thats why I asked for "off" |
| 16:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 16:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | is terribly tired |
| 16:01.06 | chem|st | ~feed DocScrutinizer |
| 16:01.06 | infobot | ACTION offers DocScrutinizer some herring |
| 16:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 16:01.18 | infobot | i heard xyawn is big coffee |
| 16:01.19 | chem|st | ~coffee DocScrutinizer |
| 16:01.19 | infobot | ACTION steals some of jacekowski's special coffee and gives it to DocScrutinizer on a silver platter. |
| 16:01.28 | GAN900 | I shouldn't have worked yesterday. |
| 16:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 16:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal coffee |
| 16:01.46 | infobot | "coffee" is "the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage" |
| 16:01.54 | Kilroo1 | chem|st: I don't think it is flat. It does flash orange in the normal charging indication when connected via usb. And I believe your instruction regarding USB ports is erroneous for my computer. |
| 16:01.56 | GAN900 | had a dream about bawling out irritating customers. |
| 16:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal coffee x |
| 16:01.57 | infobot | ACTION steals some of basiaf's special coffee and gives it to x on a silver platter. |
| 16:02.36 | chem|st | Kilroo1: most front ports are hubbed, I got 4 hubbed and 2 direct up front |
| 16:02.45 | Kilroo1 | If I can just get at the blasted files I changed last, I should be able to get it to stop trying to mount /home from the microsd and it will behave again... |
| 16:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1:keep it charging til "green"!! |
| 16:03.22 | chem|st | Kilroo1: then try again with flashing |
| 16:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | do it now |
| 16:04.20 | chem|st | Kilroo1: you wont get access to those files till you get rid of the bootloop, apart of maybe booting to some other system like meego or ubuntu |
| 16:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | rescue-initrd, as he mentioned |
| 16:04.56 | chem|st | without flashing? |
| 16:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | but that'S a bitch |
| 16:05.58 | chem|st | turned out to be a witch-bitch that thing |
| 16:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: sure. rescue-initrd is a ueber-minimalistic meego booted directly by flasher |
| 16:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | load to ram, then start |
| 16:06.43 | chem|st | yeah but without being able to flash ... |
| 16:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 16:06.58 | chem|st | if able to flash you can do anything |
| 16:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | still need working flasher |
| 16:07.19 | chem|st | try to install hurd for example^^ |
| 16:07.38 | chem|st | ~hurd |
| 16:07.39 | infobot | i guess hurd is The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ It stands for HIRD of UNIX Replacing Daemons. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach microkernel, and on l4 in the future, to implement file systems, network protocols, file access control, and other features that are implemented by the Unix kernel or similar kernels (such as Linux). |
| 16:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 16:07.40 | infobot | from memory, xyawn is strong coffee |
| 16:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ |
| 16:08.22 | chem|st | when do we get rid of xserver btw |
| 16:08.35 | Kilroo1 | My next thing to try is the I wonder if this bit about /proc/bus/usb and /dev/bus/usb is relevant to my concerns. |
| 16:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | EH? |
| 16:08.50 | Kilroo1 | Also, stopping one sentence in the middle and starting a new one instead. |
| 16:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: I think it's obsolete |
| 16:10.24 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: That's discouraging, as everything I'm trying to accomplish more or less relies on accurate wikis. |
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| 16:11.02 | DocScrutinizer | if your falsher can detect device (no more "no device found, waiting...") then you evidently don't suffer from /proc vs /dev issue |
| 16:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | my 2 cents |
| 16:11.27 | Kilroo1 | Well phooey. |
| 16:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | we had that "can't enumerate" issue frequently lately here |
| 16:12.33 | Kilroo1 | In that case as soon as I get the phone to sit quietly and charge without attempting to boot, I think I'll go back in the guest room and finish trying to get the flasher ready to go on Windows, since neither Arch machine will enumerate things. |
| 16:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | seems related to distro on PC |
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| 16:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | check the lsmod related hints on ~flashing |
| 16:13.47 | DocScrutinizer | also check for 32bit distro |
| 16:14.15 | Kilroo1 | that was why I tried the laptop |
| 16:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | check cable, as that's also a source for "can't enumerate", and also make sure you don't have internal hubs as chem|st mentioned |
| 16:15.13 | Kilroo1 | laptop only has two usb ports |
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| 16:15.37 | Kilroo1 | all desktop usb ports except the usb 3.0 ones connect to the motherboard the same way. |
| 16:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 16:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | there's been some advice about "rmmod ohci" or sth along that line |
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| 16:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'll see if I can find the link, after I prepared some coffee to save me from falling asleep |
| 16:17.10 | Kilroo1 | Phone looks really funny when I boot with the microsd in, by the way. |
| 16:17.26 | chem|st | Kilroo1: funny? |
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| 16:18.01 | Kilroo1 | Black desktop, hot pink notification area, lots of widgets seem to be present but only as blank squares. |
| 16:18.21 | chem|st | so you try to boot it again? |
| 16:18.52 | Kilroo1 | Had to boot it up and turn it off again to get it to stop trying to reboot while charging. |
| 16:19.17 | chem|st | ? |
| 16:19.43 | chem|st | in off state.... charge till green |
| 16:19.51 | Kilroo1 | Exactly. |
| 16:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | YES |
| 16:19.56 | chem|st | why was it rebooting in this state |
| 16:20.13 | Kilroo1 | Plug in the charger, phone tried to boot. |
| 16:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | bugger |
| 16:20.31 | Kilroo1 | Now it's behaving. |
| 16:20.34 | chem|st | it should go into a charging state after a while |
| 16:20.38 | chem|st | ah ok |
| 16:21.02 | chem|st | light dimming orange? |
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| 16:21.27 | Kilroo1 | uh |
| 16:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | if you're lucky you can ssh login via wlan while phone is charging |
| 16:21.48 | Kilroo1 | the usual slow orange pulse for "I'm charging now" yes. |
| 16:21.54 | chem|st | ok |
| 16:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | keep that til green |
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| 16:22.12 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: that needs some R&D mod doens't it |
| 16:23.10 | chem|st | ok I am off bb |
| 16:24.09 | Kilroo1 | In theory all I should need to do is get to a point where I can un-comment the lines in genfstab.awk and get rid of the ones in rcS-late |
| 16:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: that usually needs some tweaks to mce.ini |
| 16:24.55 | Kilroo1 | Then I can step back and try to figure out either (a) what the hell I did wrong or (b) what part of the instructions I was following are bogus |
| 16:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: setting flasher R&D mode and that --no-restart-whatever=on flag should help |
| 16:25.20 | Kilroo1 | Or possibly (c) that my sd card is worthless |
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| 16:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | anyway good luck, and keep your bat charged ;-) |
| 16:27.19 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: I appreciate the suggestion but I have no idea what that last bit means. And thanks. I guess I'll try the rescue again once I get a green light. |
| 16:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | please come back to receive further help when bat is charged |
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| 16:28.18 | cityLights | what did I miss |
| 16:28.18 | cityLights | ? |
| 16:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.4.5.3_beta> ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags |
| 16:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | flasher v2.4.5 (Jun 25 2009) |
| 16:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | also |
| 16:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | less man/man1/flasher-3.5.1 |
| 16:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | less doc/* |
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| 16:39.26 | GAN900 | I think Google's ever-increasing reliance on JS violates their "Do no evil" |
| 16:41.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.22 | cehteh | bah i have still 7.35€ on my skype account .. from the 10€ i send there 1.5 years ago |
| 16:41.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: skype :-o TZTZTZ |
| 16:42.00 | cehteh | http://www.itler.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/skynet-by-itler-net_thumb.gif btw |
| 16:42.23 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: needed it for foreign landline calls and my 'father in law' has only skype |
| 16:42.34 | cehteh | now i drain and cancel it asap |
| 16:43.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | 4h online and moving (constant BTS handover). 6 IRC chan: 25% of bat eaten |
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| 16:44.48 | e-yes | hi there. is tmo down? |
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| 17:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, vulnerability in facebook's apps, since 4 years |
| 17:13.26 | merlin1991 | Let's find some in Mohammadags ;) |
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| 18:32.22 | smqzbq | hello, i am newbie to n900 an i have funny question, how to record video? in photo application i cant change to video recording, only photos, there is no such option as video recording |
| 18:33.26 | andre__ | smqzbq: the icon on the right directly under the X on top - click it |
| 18:33.37 | andre__ | (in the camera application) |
| 18:33.43 | andre__ | there you can choose video mode |
| 18:34.57 | smqzbq | andre__: you saved my day thank you |
| 18:35.09 | smqzbq | :) |
| 18:35.37 | andre__ | no problem |
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| 18:41.44 | c2pLaY | im running maemo sdk in virtual box (win7) |
| 18:41.55 | c2pLaY | should i be using vmware? |
| 18:42.02 | c2pLaY | which is preferred? |
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| 18:42.28 | c2pLaY | and or |
| 18:42.55 | c2pLaY | would it make things easier if i was running linux as host |
| 18:43.15 | c2pLaY | all the configuration seems like a real bitch :( |
| 18:45.27 | Venemo | c2pLaY, well, it should work equally as well |
| 18:45.44 | c2pLaY | ok |
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| 18:45.58 | c2pLaY | it is virtual enviroment |
| 18:46.02 | c2pLaY | so linux/win |
| 18:46.05 | c2pLaY | doesn't matter |
| 18:46.07 | Venemo | mhm |
| 18:46.30 | Venemo | if you are having trouble, just ask about it on this channel |
| 18:46.32 | c2pLaY | but documentation |
| 18:47.05 | c2pLaY | there seems to be more instructions in referrence to vmware |
| 18:47.12 | Venemo | mhm |
| 18:47.18 | c2pLaY | and im just wondering if a switch might make my life easier |
| 18:47.22 | c2pLaY | im not a programmer |
| 18:47.27 | Venemo | well I just installed it on my Linux with the installer and that's it. |
| 18:47.31 | c2pLaY | i don't know what the hell scratchbox is |
| 18:47.37 | c2pLaY | you know what i mean :) |
| 18:47.48 | Venemo | if you're not a programmer, then why do you want the sdk? |
| 18:48.05 | c2pLaY | just want to learn |
| 18:48.15 | Venemo | so you _want_ to be a programmer? |
| 18:48.16 | c2pLaY | im not a programmer yet* |
| 18:48.20 | c2pLaY | :) |
| 18:48.23 | c2pLaY | who knows right |
| 18:48.32 | Venemo | Scratchbox is a cross-compiling environment |
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| 18:49.51 | c2pLaY | k gonna go make some coffee |
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| 18:49.54 | c2pLaY | just woke up |
| 18:50.06 | c2pLaY | then im going to come back and harass you :P |
| 18:50.11 | Venemo | hehe |
| 18:50.26 | Venemo | if I'm around, I'll try to answer your questions |
| 18:53.42 | Sc0rpius | I need coffee |
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| 19:07.25 | piggz | i think what space invaders needs is an online score table....so now to implement the uploading code, followed by the web service |
| 19:07.50 | mc_teo | the implementation is trivial, securing it is hard |
| 19:08.00 | Sc0rpius | http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html <--- now this is funny (customer service conversation via mail) |
| 19:08.31 | piggz | mc_teo: yeah, i think some hashing will definitely be needed....tho it wont be impossible to break |
| 19:09.23 | mikhas | so hm, maemo packaging ... do people still use the maemo build service and just stuff things into extra-devel? |
| 19:10.49 | mc_teo | piggz: like it could be as simple as a GET call to a CGI script |
| 19:10.58 | mc_teo | which saves it to a db |
| 19:11.00 | mc_teo | simple |
| 19:11.07 | mc_teo | but very insecure |
| 19:12.24 | piggz | mc_teo: yeah, some hashing of a shared secret and some other values will help, tho i appreciate it wouldnt stop anyone determined |
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| 19:23.33 | AranelN900 | need help: Since my friend's router doesn't have enough ports for eth connection and I dont have a wifi dongle, I have to use N900 as a WiFi dongle to my Windows box. Any advices please? |
| 19:25.38 | AranelN900 | lol anybody cares 'bout that eh ? |
| 19:25.54 | Sicelo_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router |
| 19:26.19 | Sicelo_ | patience pays :D |
| 19:26.39 | AranelN900 | ^^ thank you but It says " This however only works for phone network connections, not wlan connections." ? |
| 19:28.16 | Sicelo_ | i don't have N900 myself, and can't think of anything else to help you |
| 19:28.32 | ruskie | AranelN900, well what did you expect? |
| 19:28.50 | Sicelo_ | hang on till someone more knowledgeable comes along |
| 19:29.30 | ruskie | maybe doing something with the gadget drivers could do it... but not sure |
| 19:30.10 | Sicelo_ | AranelN900: you can always use linux live cd on your machine :-/ |
| 19:31.17 | ruskie | can't he unplug the printer or whatever other useless gadget is connected to the router atm??? |
| 19:31.29 | AranelN900 | I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change anything? ruskie: I expected to have the ability to share connection (wifi) from my N900 to Win PC |
| 19:31.29 | ruskie | or just get a switch to use in such cases... |
| 19:31.54 | ruskie | AranelN900, well most projects are focused on sharing 3g connecting over wifi |
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| 19:32.37 | AranelN900 | his router doesnt have any additional ports and its 11PM here, we cant get a switch |
| 19:32.59 | ruskie | and everything that is currently connected to the router required to be plugged in atm? |
| 19:33.07 | ruskie | or could something be unplugged for the time you're there |
| 19:34.48 | AranelN900 | it's a 1-port router actually. |
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| 19:35.07 | AranelN900 | 1-eth + wifi |
| 19:35.12 | ruskie | *jaw drops to the floor* |
| 19:39.51 | Sicelo_ | 21:31 < AranelN900> I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change anything? |
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| 19:40.06 | AranelN900 | does it? |
| 19:40.13 | Sicelo_ | of course it does.. acording to that link |
| 19:40.15 | Sicelo_ | :D |
| 19:40.20 | hagbard | You can use the N900 as a wifi client of sorts. |
| 19:40.22 | ruskie | you could probably usb network and do some routing |
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| 19:40.36 | hagbard | You may have to use static IP Addressing on either side of the usbnet |
| 19:40.50 | ruskie | that's already there last I checked |
| 19:40.52 | hagbard | And I don't know if the n900 supports 802.2 bridges out of the box. |
| 19:40.52 | ruskie | the usbnet is static |
| 19:40.59 | ruskie | yeah that's the other thing |
| 19:41.07 | hagbard | echo 1 > /proc/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:41.19 | hagbard | Actually, are there iptables for n900? |
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| 19:41.26 | ruskie | iirc there might be |
| 19:41.36 | hagbard | then it becomes striaghtforward |
| 19:41.42 | hagbard | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:41.50 | AranelN900 | so if I use Linux, can I use N900 as a wifi dongle and share its network to my PC? how? |
| 19:42.10 | AranelN900 | and why it doesnt work for Windows? :| |
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| 19:42.24 | Sicelo_ | you just follow the instructions on the link |
| 19:43.20 | AranelN900 | Sicelo_: does it work for N900 wifi to Windows box? |
| 19:43.46 | AranelN900 | It says it's only for phone network conn. (3g?) not wlan connections :| |
| 19:44.30 | ruskie | hmm I thought windows had usb gadget drivers as well |
| 19:44.44 | ruskie | AranelN900, just depends what you route |
| 19:46.12 | AranelN900 | ruskie: what do you mean by what I route? I want to route Internet connection |
| 19:48.24 | ruskie | basically what hagbard posted should work |
| 19:48.42 | ruskie | can't really help much since it's been years since I used a linux computer for routing... |
| 19:49.44 | Sicelo_ | i still think AranelN900 should read.. even what hagbard posted is on that page |
| 19:50.10 | Sicelo_ | AranelN900: it will work under linux.. but won't work with windows |
| 19:50.21 | ruskie | Sicelo_, why not? |
| 19:50.43 | Sicelo_ | idk ruskie :-S |
| 19:50.49 | hagbard | I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work for windows. |
| 19:50.51 | ruskie | there is a windows usbnet driver in the linux tree |
| 19:50.52 | AranelN900 | Sicelo_: :| cant I make it work on windows too? We want to game on same network and you know.. linux and games dont get along well. |
| 19:51.09 | ruskie | just need to install the usbnet driver |
| 19:51.17 | hagbard | AranelN900: You don't have any spare ethernet cards lying around? |
| 19:51.19 | Sicelo_ | i'm just referring him to a resource from somebody more knowledgeable than me |
| 19:51.27 | hagbard | Does your linux machine, by chance, have more than one ethernet port? |
| 19:52.18 | hagbard | I mean, Sicelo_ is right, the real solution here is for your to read and learn more about what you're trying to do. |
| 19:52.21 | AranelN900 | its the same machine actually. dual boot. |
| 19:52.43 | hagbard | Still, does it have more than one NIC and/or can you put a second one in there? |
| 19:53.09 | hagbard | Both linux and windows have the capability for joining ethernet ports together as, essentially, a software switch. |
| 19:53.25 | hagbard | Do both machines have firewire and do you have a firewire cable? |
| 19:56.02 | Sicelo_ | now i remember.. for windows.. madde is reqd |
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| 19:56.19 | Sicelo_ | AranelN900: check out the 21:31 < AranelN900> I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change anything? |
| 19:56.25 | Sicelo_ | yay |
| 19:57.01 | AranelN900 | okay then I'm going to try N900 usb router wiki page and come back with results. thank you =) |
| 19:59.22 | Sicelo_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking.html#Starting_USB_network_mode_with_Windows |
| 19:59.26 | Sicelo_ | he's gone |
| 19:59.27 | Sicelo_ | :) |
| 20:00.11 | Sicelo_ | my network connection sucks tonight :( |
| 20:01.31 | ZogG | to just use Linux, Luke |
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| 20:01.55 | ZogG | ruskie, hey |
| 20:01.55 | ZogG | ruskie, i hope i get my N900 back next week =) |
| 20:01.57 | ZogG | how is xmms2 package? is it in repo ? |
| 20:02.24 | phap | hi |
| 20:03.04 | Sicelo_ | hi phap |
| 20:03.51 | phap | any great news I'm bored :-) |
| 20:03.54 | phap | ? |
| 20:04.20 | ZogG | nope |
| 20:04.20 | ZogG | everything is still same shit |
| 20:04.33 | genewitch | i'm working on a crossdev toolchain AWS AMI for maemo :-) |
| 20:04.35 | phap | lol ok |
| 20:04.57 | genewitch | as well as one for freebsd, unrelated. |
| 20:05.35 | phap | that's great genewitch too bad I can't understand what that means |
| 20:05.42 | RST38h | yawns happily: work done for today |
| 20:05.59 | phap | but that's sounds cool |
| 20:07.07 | genewitch | phap: prebuilt environment for compiling software for the n8x0 and n900, that anyone can use rather than having to set up the build environment on their computer |
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| 20:07.52 | RST38h | genewitch: you will now have to explain what "compiling", "build", and "environment are |
| 20:08.11 | phap | lol |
| 20:08.14 | phap | no no |
| 20:08.21 | phap | I understand now |
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| 20:08.27 | genewitch | heh |
| 20:08.47 | phap | (almost) |
| 20:09.37 | genewitch | i don't know if it will work properly but it's almost dones4as32 |
| 20:09.50 | genewitch | whoops, terminal error |
| 20:09.53 | genewitch | sorry. |
| 20:10.05 | phap | I can't help you really but I wish you the best |
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| 20:20.08 | kerio | HOLY FUCK NOKIA N9 |
| 20:21.08 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 20:21.08 | MohammadAG | the RM-680 surprised me |
| 20:21.23 | MohammadAG | now all we need is an explanation as to what the RM-690 and RM-696 are |
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| 20:22.13 | lemmng | hi |
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| 20:25.47 | ZogG | MohammadAG have you got my PM on TMO? |
| 20:26.09 | MohammadAG | ZogG, I don't read PMs, sec |
| 20:26.26 | ZogG | MohammadAG i think i got orange API |
| 20:27.44 | mikhas | hm nice, Fremantle's build service is reeeeeally fast these days |
| 20:27.51 | mikhas | I guess no one is using it :-) |
| 20:28.12 | MohammadAG | interesting ZogG |
| 20:29.14 | ZogG | MohammadAG did you check the url? |
| 20:29.54 | MohammadAG | ZogG, yes |
| 20:30.04 | MohammadAG | booting up the N900 |
| 20:30.51 | lemmng | can someone fix the picture-script of the VB regsecure which is broken on registration at talk.maemo.org? |
| 20:31.05 | ZogG | MohammadAG, would you mind to look into it? i probably would too when i get back N900 |
| 20:31.16 | ZogG | MohammadAG, btw nice thing sociality =) |
| 20:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | mikhas: it starts at xx:05 and xx:35 |
| 20:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 20:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | WUT???? N9? |
| 20:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | where? |
| 20:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: ^^^^ |
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| 20:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^ |
| 20:34.45 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2011/05/11/nokias-n9-meego-smartphone-hits-the-fcc/ |
| 20:34.54 | kerio | i really hope meego is going to run it |
| 20:36.43 | wam | lol |
| 20:36.46 | wam | that'll be windows only |
| 20:36.54 | ZogG | if it is n9 so it's for meego |
| 20:37.30 | ZogG | but i hope meego is not other one step ladder with no future |
| 20:37.30 | wam | nokia doesn't release linux based phones anymore. |
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| 20:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 20:37.42 | wam | nokia also has cancelled all support for the linux dists |
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| 20:38.22 | andre__ | wam: who says so? |
| 20:38.26 | wam | nokia? |
| 20:38.32 | andre__ | wam: quote? |
| 20:38.39 | wam | damn fuck - don't you read news? |
| 20:38.42 | wam | march 2011 |
| 20:38.45 | andre__ | wam: damn fuck, trolling FUD is a bit boring |
| 20:38.47 | wam | it's 2 months now |
| 20:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: X-Fade: do you think I'd qualify for a unpaid prerelease test of N9? (hw and all, if Nokia cares to send [NDA'd] schematics) |
| 20:39.19 | wam | andre__: learn german and read: http://www.netbooknews.de/34014/nokia-setzt-auf-windows-phone-und-gibt-symbian-und-meego-auf/ |
| 20:39.29 | wam | andre__: I don't do your homework |
| 20:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's not yet too late for some last minute hw bugfixes |
| 20:39.44 | andre__ | wam: You're impressively arrogant. |
| 20:39.56 | wam | andre__: I just know what I'm talking about. |
| 20:40.22 | andre__ | plus I'd rather refer to heise.de if I want reliable sources. It's the interwebs, you know... I can edit it. |
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| 20:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 20:41.06 | wam | andre__: just use google or whatever you need for your homework. |
| 20:41.11 | kerio | i heard that nokia is moving to palm os |
| 20:41.17 | wam | oh boy |
| 20:41.19 | kerio | i have an article, but it's in latin |
| 20:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | wam, andre__ is a Nokia employee and for sure doesn't need to do homework |
| 20:41.40 | wam | I don't care. |
| 20:42.03 | MohammadAG | kerio, I heard they're going back to making gameboys |
| 20:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | I don't like your way to talk |
| 20:42.07 | andre__ | (for the records: not an employee, but I spend my paid time for them.) |
| 20:42.15 | wam | DocScrutinizer: you don't have to |
| 20:42.21 | kerio | yeah, some random 3-months-old article on a random website is clearly more accurate and informed than a nokia contractor |
| 20:42.24 | Sicelo_ | :O |
| 20:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | wam: now you're wrong, actually I have to |
| 20:44.01 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, not a question for me. :P |
| 20:44.10 | ZogG | i smell kicks and bans |
| 20:44.18 | ZogG | oh F action |
| 20:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | indeed ZogG |
| 20:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | much temped |
| 20:44.28 | MohammadAG | I want glines |
| 20:44.30 | ZogG | wan't here for a little bit and all the time i get there is action =) |
| 20:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | tempted even |
| 20:44.35 | kerio | andre__: will it run meego? please confirm it :< i don't want it to run wp7 |
| 20:44.38 | MohammadAG | kicks are overrated |
| 20:44.45 | ZogG | i want netsplits |
| 20:44.46 | ZogG | netsplits are sexy |
| 20:44.51 | kerio | MohammadAG: ISP bans are the only thing that will save us |
| 20:45.00 | *** mode/#maemo [-o andre__] by ChanServ |
| 20:45.03 | ZogG | when he would be alone in room =) |
| 20:45.22 | MohammadAG | kerio, it'll run MeeGo ultimate edition |
| 20:45.44 | GAN900 | kerio, if it's N9, no. |
| 20:45.54 | kerio | MohammadAG: D: |
| 20:45.55 | ShadowJK | i thought it's be Win7mobile millennium+dozen edition |
| 20:45.56 | GAN900 | MeeGo has been relegated back to 3-digit. |
| 20:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: yep, I understand that. But I guess you know a bit about who's right adressee for that question |
| 20:46.16 | MohammadAG | it's an RM-680 |
| 20:46.23 | kerio | MohammadAG: yay |
| 20:46.24 | ZogG | GAN900 so call it n9-00 =) |
| 20:46.50 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, Quim, probably. But I suspect you and I both know what the answer is going to be. ;) |
| 20:46.58 | ZogG | haha |
| 20:47.00 | MohammadAG | which is something I see in MeeGo's sources |
| 20:47.05 | ZogG | Quim lol |
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| 20:47.08 | kerio | MohammadAG: you bring joy! |
| 20:47.11 | kerio | you joy-bringer! |
| 20:47.12 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 20:47.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, too bad a notion for Nokia |
| 20:47.30 | SpeedEvil | Have any new patches popped up fo rht ekernel on any trees/lists - that would indicarte features of new device? |
| 20:47.32 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, OMG!!! you're going to end open source at Nokia! stop reading public source code!!!! |
| 20:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | they can't grab opportunities when they jump in their face |
| 20:47.34 | ZogG | he can right you an article for 20 pages and there would be no usefull info there |
| 20:47.47 | ZogG | it's called lawyered =) |
| 20:47.47 | GAN900 | So, Engadget did the model name extrapolation? |
| 20:47.52 | kerio | he can "right" you an article? |
| 20:48.05 | GAN900 | Wonder if there'll be a MeeGoConfSF announcement. |
| 20:48.20 | MohammadAG | FCC docs are private till 24/6 |
| 20:48.33 | ZogG | kerio write |
| 20:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | I don't gibe a F* F* about FCC |
| 20:48.44 | MohammadAG | so unless MeeGo conf was postponed a month... |
| 20:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | I want Nokia to send me a NDA to sign, then send me a PV device plus schematics |
| 20:49.31 | SpeedEvil | "" |
| 20:49.36 | SpeedEvil | has doubts though. |
| 20:49.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: then you scan the schematics and post them online anonymously |
| 20:49.53 | SpeedEvil | Breaking NDAs is generally not fun or clever. |
| 20:50.04 | kerio | you guys are boring :( |
| 20:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | and I emphasize it's a big favour I'd do Nokia for free, as I'm basically not interested in a device with c-ts |
| 20:50.35 | kerio | cats? cots? |
| 20:50.37 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer i want to get n9 for free as well ) |
| 20:50.39 | ShadowJK | what about a device without a keyboard? :-) |
| 20:50.54 | kerio | wait, i thought the n9 had a physical keyboard |
| 20:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you fool, I'll send them the broken rocks after I finished |
| 20:51.04 | ZogG | kerio, noone knows for sure |
| 20:51.08 | MohammadAG | the RM-680 does |
| 20:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | plus a summary about what they have done wrong |
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| 20:51.32 | ZogG | MohammadAG would it be out and is it final and how do you know it just from code? |
| 20:51.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the N950 can break rocks? |
| 20:51.47 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer they done everything wrong i can say without n9 |
| 20:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I can break rocking N9 |
| 20:52.00 | ShadowJK | even with keyboard... c-ts has so much potential to suck, considering it took 5 years to make r-ts not suck... |
| 20:52.03 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, win7 decision is wrong =) |
| 20:52.11 | MohammadAG | ZogG, no, I secretly work for Nokia and I broke two NDAs |
| 20:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: stfu |
| 20:52.13 | ZogG | MohammadAG can it make me a coffee? |
| 20:52.38 | ZogG | MohammadAG haha, you make bombs from them =) |
| 20:52.45 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, =( |
| 20:52.58 | MohammadAG | ZogG, decaf, PR1.2 will have other variations |
| 20:53.08 | ZogG | MohammadAG when do you go to Jordan? i need new laptop |
| 20:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually I'd stand for you getting same as well, as you and probably jacekowski and ShadowJK are the only other community menbers I'd say are worth it |
| 20:53.22 | ZogG | MohammadAG mine is too slow for gnome3 =)))) |
| 20:53.36 | ZogG | MohammadAG wow is pr1.2 out? |
| 20:54.00 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer what about texrat =) |
| 20:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 20:54.11 | ZogG | he is also Nokia favorite =) |
| 20:54.13 | nox- | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13364121 |
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| 20:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess he would flush it down the toilet |
| 20:54.24 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer but i don't liek him =( |
| 20:54.28 | ShadowJK | gnome is kind of fantastic, how can it be slow on anything, when they removed all features |
| 20:55.15 | ZogG | ShadowJK gnme3 is bitty slow and it's really bad step for them |
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| 20:55.25 | ZogG | why everyone want to decide what is cool and good for me& |
| 20:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you know the dudes, would you send a 3-liner mail with me in CC? |
| 20:55.38 | RST38h | Shadowjk: tracker? =) |
| 20:55.42 | ShadowJK | bought a second N900 out of fear and uncertainty about any new usable phones for 5-10 years or so |
| 20:55.49 | MohammadAG | ZogG, not anytime soon, need to do the psychometric exam in July |
| 20:55.55 | ZogG | i like old linux when it wa about getting machine from parts and use what i want and how i want |
| 20:56.05 | ZogG | today it looks fansy with 2 options =( |
| 20:56.13 | ShadowJK | and N900 hw doesn't seem to last long :/ |
| 20:56.15 | ZogG | MohammadAG you gonna study here? |
| 20:56.30 | MohammadAG | ZogG, Technion |
| 20:56.55 | ZogG | ShadowJK n900 is nice, but hw is too slow today =( |
| 20:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 20:57.12 | MohammadAG | ZogG, no, PR1.2 will be out soon after the N950's release |
| 20:57.19 | MohammadAG | the N950's going to be released soon |
| 20:57.23 | MohammadAG | (TM) |
| 20:57.39 | RST38h | Mohammad: definitely decided on technion? |
| 20:57.43 | andre__ | kerio, you think that a contractor will happily answer stuff like that, by breaking an NDA? :-P |
| 20:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen qgil |
| 20:57.54 | infobot | qgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.106.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 21m 24s ago, saying: 'hi there alterego'. |
| 20:57.57 | MohammadAG | the N900's not that slow |
| 20:58.01 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yeah |
| 20:58.12 | thresh | of course it's slow |
| 20:58.18 | thresh | it cant play my 720p :P |
| 20:58.23 | MohammadAG | it can |
| 20:58.33 | RST38h | it can, but avoid h264 |
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| 20:58.41 | MohammadAG | get the latest TI kernel patches, and the latest codecs |
| 20:58.43 | ShadowJK | saw some dude on tmo claimed to be doing it |
| 20:58.43 | thresh | the the important word is "my" :P |
| 20:58.43 | RST38h | faulty decoder |
| 20:58.57 | thresh | nah, the bitrate is too high to be handled by A8. |
| 20:59.03 | RST38h | ah |
| 20:59.39 | ShadowJK | You wouldn't want to try decode it with A8 |
| 20:59.39 | thresh | and you know one cant avoid H264 nowadays |
| 20:59.46 | MohammadAG | NDAs should be NDA'd tbh |
| 20:59.50 | ShadowJK | you want the TI stuff that does it on IVA2 |
| 21:00.02 | MohammadAG | that way you can't say you're under an NDA |
| 21:00.21 | thresh | ShadowJK: hey I don't want to bring my laptop with me on vacations |
| 21:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: they quite usually are |
| 21:00.48 | ShadowJK | thresh, and I dont want waffles for breakfast? |
| 21:00.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so the NDA is under another NDA? |
| 21:00.59 | MohammadAG | plays inception sountrack |
| 21:01.03 | MohammadAG | sound* |
| 21:01.11 | SpeedEvil | plays Tron soundtrack. |
| 21:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | no, the NDA sometimes is self-NDAing |
| 21:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | not for the fact of its existence, but for all of the content |
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| 21:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ?` |
| 21:02.30 | ZogG | MohammadAG i mean n900 pr1.2 |
| 21:02.41 | ZogG | MohammadAG techion is good thing |
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| 21:03.08 | ZogG | MohammadAG though for computer science jerusalem one is better |
| 21:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | I've built up an unsatisfied desire to kick |
| 21:04.16 | ZogG | RST38h, http://4pda.ru/2011/05/07/41666/ |
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| 21:04.28 | ZogG | rusian tablet with meego/windows |
| 21:04.43 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer kick me |
| 21:04.59 | ZogG | i always here for you buddy |
| 21:05.00 | RST38h | ZogG: Another rebranded chinese product |
| 21:05.20 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 21:05.26 | ZogG | everything is Chinese |
| 21:05.33 | *** kick/#maemo [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) |
| 21:05.36 | RST38h | ZogG: software probably copied from wetab |
| 21:05.40 | ZogG | the important thing that your children are not =) |
| 21:05.54 | ZogG | RST38h i dunno |
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| 21:06.28 | ZogG | damn they have one with 160-750 gb =) |
| 21:06.31 | RST38h | ZogG: From people claiming this to be a "Russian" product, I would expect a bit more than a bright box and a user's manual in Russian |
| 21:06.54 | ZogG | there are no russians products anymore you know |
| 21:06.58 | RST38h | ZogG: Stuff like mechanical and electrical design, nice software, etc |
| 21:07.01 | ZogG | the last ones were soviet |
| 21:07.10 | RST38h | ZogG: There are some. |
| 21:07.21 | RST38h | ZogG: Not this particular gadget though. |
| 21:07.24 | ZogG | RST38h coz smart people from russia are too smart to work for russia |
| 21:07.34 | ZogG | RST38h like what? |
| 21:07.37 | ZogG | maybe few ebooks |
| 21:09.22 | ZogG | ok i'll g to sleep i think |
| 21:11.01 | RST38h | Aha, people in the comments report that this is a product from Onkyo |
| 21:11.39 | ZogG | =0 |
| 21:12.10 | ZogG | gonna go to sleep |
| 21:12.13 | ZogG | night kidos |
| 21:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | Onkyo? cooooool |
| 21:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | whatever it is |
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| 21:16.58 | nox- | onkyo was known for hifi gear at least once... |
| 21:17.15 | Creteil | Someone here running v47 kernel power from pali with Backported bq27x00_battery module (battery status) ? |
| 21:17.38 | piggz | has onkyo av receiver + speakers (watching matrix reloaded with it now!) |
| 21:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | I had an Onkyo amp that's been arguably the best amp I ever seen |
| 21:18.04 | nox- | heh |
| 21:18.21 | RST38h | <sleep> |
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| 21:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | (back in 1985) |
| 21:20.10 | Creteil | allo ? no one running v47 kernel power from pali here ? |
| 21:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | from pali?? |
| 21:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ |
| 21:20.44 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | what'S status with PK? |
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| 21:21.28 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879 |
| 21:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | Creteil: bq27x00.ko is known to fsck bme |
| 21:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | always been like that |
| 21:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | so basically you don't want to `modprobe bq27x00` |
| 21:22.29 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, what do you mean by 'fsck' ? |
| 21:22.40 | ShadowJK | mess up |
| 21:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | =break |
| 21:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | cause to segfault |
| 21:23.23 | BCMM | Creteil: in addition to "file system check", it is colloquially used as a substitute curse |
| 21:23.31 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, can you help me to explain that to pali on the thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879 ? |
| 21:23.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, v47 in devel |
| 21:23.38 | MohammadAG | pali's the new maintainer |
| 21:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so I have to dance/fsck with some dude named pali now |
| 21:24.15 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, please help me to explain to pali the patch he made is bad ... |
| 21:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to, dunno if I'm alert enough today |
| 21:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 21:24.57 | MohammadAG | umm, if its not loaded by default nothing bad should happen |
| 21:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | lemme look at that friggin tmo thread |
| 21:25.15 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, read my post here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1004473&postcount=533 and say me if I am mad or not please :-) |
| 21:25.17 | MohammadAG | if not, /me gets the torches |
| 21:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | what's been the patch pali made? |
| 21:25.53 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, yes |
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| 21:27.48 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, just cut out the middle man. :p |
| 21:27.50 | ShadowJK | I see I should still forget about cssu and related projects :) |
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| 21:28.47 | piggz | needs a pen and paper to scribble down which fields are being hashed, which arnt, and which will be hashed together, before my head explodes |
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| 21:29.23 | BCMM | piggz: pen... and paper? |
| 21:29.35 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/11/nokia-n9-hits-the-fcc-packs-more-bands-than-a-rubber-tree/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+engadget%2FOzKy+%28Engadget%29&utm_content=Twitter |
| 21:29.37 | BCMM | i do not think i have carried these things since getting an n900 |
| 21:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: tried, no Nokians on #meego |
| 21:29.48 | piggz | BCMM: heh |
| 21:29.50 | BCMM | then again, my handwriting doesn't really work right |
| 21:29.59 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, email council. |
| 21:30.12 | MohammadAG | ZogG, API works, not that much info is returned |
| 21:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: though yes isn't quite an answer, I still think this patch looks kinda fishy, though maybe *could* work |
| 21:30.44 | BCMM | piggz: i am literally writing an application to handle my shopping lists, because i lose shopping lists that cannot be made to ring |
| 21:31.03 | ShadowJK | Looks like they ignore the issue of uncalibrated fuel gauge by reporting the uncalibrated values wihtout attempt to fix.. |
| 21:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | but as mentioned the bq27x00.ko module is broken by design (nah, bme is broken by design) |
| 21:31.12 | BCMM | this evening, i'm going to find out how to get things into -devel |
| 21:31.18 | ShadowJK | ah well |
| 21:31.25 | piggz | BCMM: its quite easy |
| 21:31.52 | BCMM | i beg to differ. |
| 21:32.04 | BCMM | being able to package a .deb is a prerequisite, right? |
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| 21:32.15 | BCMM | done that, and it was confusing. |
| 21:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ok |
| 21:32.39 | piggz | BCMM: well, yes....i guess that took my a little while, but im used ot it now...are you using qmake? |
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| 21:33.36 | BCMM | piggz: yeah |
| 21:33.56 | BCMM | it's ok, i've got the packaging bit working now, i think |
| 21:34.17 | BCMM | still not quite sure what the "workflow" should be |
| 21:34.46 | BCMM | especially for just doing a quick build without packaging so i can have a binary to quickly test |
| 21:35.24 | BCMM | debian/rules build often, but not always, says "make: Nothing to be done for `build'.", when i have actually made changes to the sources |
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| 21:35.25 | piggz | i just do all my testing on the desktop.....for quick and dirty packages i use the remote compiler |
| 21:35.28 | SpeedEvil | I suppose suggesting fcc on phone is sully. |
| 21:35.32 | SpeedEvil | gcc |
| 21:35.42 | Creteil | DAMN !!! |
| 21:35.46 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: g++, and qt headers |
| 21:35.53 | Creteil | Now my battery is fully charged |
| 21:36.04 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: also, i've got a lovely workflow for doing it outside of the debian file structure |
| 21:36.10 | Creteil | lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_bq27200_0 | grep battery.charge_level.percentage && lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/bme | grep battery.charge_level.percentage |
| 21:36.12 | Creteil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.13 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 21:36.14 | Creteil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.45 | Creteil | Where I can blacklist this f*****g driver ? |
| 21:36.48 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: got Kate set up to "make && scp binary user@n900:/dev/shm && etc., etc." |
| 21:36.54 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:37.15 | BCMM | also got ssh connection sharing turned on, so i just keep an ssh connection open and it's practically instant |
| 21:37.42 | BCMM | basically, i hit alt-x and a couple of seconds later the app starts on the device |
| 21:37.50 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone else seen randomly sidconnecting from cell network, and SIM connection errors? |
| 21:38.02 | BCMM | but i can't make that work inside the packaging system because i end up having to uselessly make clean all the time |
| 21:38.06 | BCMM | so it takes ages |
| 21:38.30 | BCMM | piggz: sadly, i make too much use of rotation to really test on desktop |
| 21:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | Creteil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1004498#post1004498 HTH |
| 21:38.53 | MohammadAG | can someone post https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce.ini#line491 somewhere and shut OS speculation people up? kthxbai |
| 21:39.03 | BCMM | that, and keyboard slide events |
| 21:40.50 | BCMM | s/i /it / |
| 21:41.26 | piggz | now to brush up on my php for the service part....i'd better check whats on my server too, and its probably due and apt-get update |
| 21:41.44 | Creteil | ok problem solved with : |
| 21:41.46 | Creteil | echo "blacklist bq27x00_battery" >>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:42.01 | Creteil | and rebooting ... |
| 21:42.31 | MohammadAG | hehe, 1337 sociality users |
| 21:43.11 | piggz | MohammadAG: it made my day today when i checked the download stats for space invaders and it was ~ 30000 |
| 21:43.52 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, randomly disconnecting from cell network, and crossed out sim? Check dmesg. The modem is crashing. It only got better after third trip or so to Nokia care when they replaced the device entirely. |
| 21:44.01 | MohammadAG | piggz, there's a lot of N900 users around |
| 21:44.05 | BCMM | anyone able to explain what the build-stamp target in debian/rules is? |
| 21:44.13 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:44.16 | MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure most don't know about tmo |
| 21:44.28 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, there's a thread on tmo with people randomly flashing and reflashing and padding sim card holder with random crap |
| 21:44.29 | MohammadAG | BCMM, it creates a stamp file after building |
| 21:44.35 | piggz | MohammadAG: unfortunately, not one has clicked the 'donate' button! |
| 21:44.39 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: padding diddn't seem to help |
| 21:44.44 | piggz | :) |
| 21:44.50 | BCMM | MohammadAG: what is a stamp file? |
| 21:44.51 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yeah because it's not the main issue |
| 21:44.54 | MohammadAG | I don't bother to include donate buttons :P |
| 21:45.02 | BCMM | i mean, i guess it's the empty file build-stamp, but what's it for? |
| 21:45.09 | MohammadAG | BCMM, empty file with a timestamp |
| 21:45.14 | BCMM | oh, fair enough |
| 21:45.15 | MohammadAG | time |
| 21:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | Creteil: ack. Please add this to my post |
| 21:45.34 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, you can probably reproduce it by: remove backcover, carefully handle device so that battery doesn't fall out, pinch device in different locations, such as battery and h on keyboard |
| 21:45.43 | ShadowJK | and you'll soon see disconnection from cell network |
| 21:45.46 | ShadowJK | and crash in dmesg |
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| 21:45.51 | BCMM | MohammadAG: any idea how to convince debian/rules to rebuild modified sources, like a "normal" make would? |
| 21:46.02 | ShadowJK | there's a small delay between the cellmodem actually crashing/resetting/whatever and the UI noticing, though |
| 21:46.12 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: At the moment it's putt-up-with-able. I have made a note to get it replaced before warranty. |
| 21:46.28 | BCMM | or am i doing this all wrong, and should basically just play with symlinks and build test binaries outside the debian packaging file structure? |
| 21:46.32 | SpeedEvil | 99% of my use is for paypal key. |
| 21:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | padding SIM is voodoo |
| 21:47.21 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, already done, thanks ... |
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| 21:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:47.31 | MohammadAG | BCMM, -nc? |
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| 21:47.36 | MohammadAG | that means no clean |
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| 21:47.59 | ShadowJK | Probably the only reason padding works is because it accidentally and semi-permanently warps the PCB and/or components into a position where it works |
| 21:48.15 | BCMM | MohammadAG: as a flag to what? |
| 21:48.18 | ShadowJK | Well it doesn't work for everyone, and for me the problem became progressively worse over a few months. |
| 21:48.51 | MohammadAG | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc -nc |
| 21:48.54 | MohammadAG | BCMM, ^ |
| 21:49.57 | BCMM | MohammadAG: oh, i just wanted a binary to play with, not a package |
| 21:50.13 | BCMM | i've been doing debian/rules build, to just build without packaging |
| 21:50.46 | BCMM | but somehow that usually says there is nothing to be done even if you've changed the sources, and i don't know enough make to know why |
| 21:51.15 | MohammadAG | BCMM, well, just get it from debian/packagename/pathtobinary |
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| 21:51.35 | MohammadAG | or run debian/rules build-stamp |
| 21:51.37 | BCMM | MohammadAG: yeah, that's fine. the problem is that it doesn't know when it needs to rebuild |
| 21:51.43 | MohammadAG | I'm guessing that should work, since rules is just a makefile |
| 21:52.22 | BCMM | yeah, it should... |
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| 21:52.38 | BCMM | but i can edit the sources, re-run, and get "make: `build-stamp' is up to date." |
| 21:53.00 | BCMM | i think this is the point where i decide i'm probably abusing debian/rules and need to do test-builds in a different directory with symlinks to the source |
| 21:53.21 | MohammadAG | BCMM, then try debian/rules build |
| 21:53.26 | BCMM | same |
| 21:53.44 | BCMM | well, "make: Nothing to be done for `build'." at any rate |
| 21:53.50 | BCMM | (even after changing sources) |
| 21:54.12 | BCMM | only option is to clean and then re-run |
| 21:55.52 | Kilroo1 | This is definitely providing me with some entertainment at my own expense |
| 21:56.14 | BCMM | Kilroo1: what is? |
| 21:56.28 | Kilroo1 | Got the rescue initrd working by flashing from Windows, made it to the recovery console, which was what I was trying to get. |
| 21:56.59 | BCMM | huh. i don't understand this. |
| 21:57.08 | piggz | wooo, i communicated with web service....it didnt do anything, but that is a minor point |
| 21:57.10 | BCMM | build-stamp does "cd builddir && $(MAKE)" |
| 21:57.16 | nox- | Kilroo1, you tried flashing from ubuntu and it didnt work? |
| 21:57.19 | MohammadAG | BCMM, just run make |
| 21:57.21 | Kilroo1 | It was at that point that I found out you can't type normally at the recovery terminal. |
| 21:57.26 | MohammadAG | when you edit sources, it'll compile what changed |
| 21:57.26 | BCMM | manually doing "cd builddir && make" rebuilds correctly |
| 21:57.28 | BCMM | MohammadAG: will do |
| 21:57.39 | Kilroo1 | nox-: no, I tried flashing from Arch and it didn't work. |
| 21:57.48 | nox- | ah |
| 21:57.53 | BCMM | i posit that this confusion is caused by make calling another instance of make |
| 21:58.02 | BCMM | MohammadAG: thanks |
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| 21:58.21 | BCMM | (i know make should do that. i just didn't know that make-calling-make-again didn't :) |
| 22:00.20 | Kilroo1 | I'm probably now going to try to flash from Virtualbox, to save the trouble of going in the other room where my windows machine is (I was doing this on my break at work when I actually got to the terminal). But it was quite frustrating to get to the recovery terminal and then discover the problem with the keymap. |
| 22:01.50 | Kilroo1 | Especially since I am currently still convinced that if I can edit genfstab.awk and rcS-late, I can render my device bootable again. |
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| 22:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: ask MohammadAG - he's the magician of recovery-initrd keymap and other annoyances |
| 22:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | you actually can use recover-initrd, but you have to know quite a number of tricks to do so |
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| 22:13.45 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 22:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | I think he uses sth like tab expand |
| 22:13.55 | MohammadAG | first you need to enable R&D mode |
| 22:14.01 | MohammadAG | the image doesn't ping the watchdog |
| 22:14.10 | MohammadAG | second, cd .. till you get to / |
| 22:14.16 | MohammadAG | then you can use CTRL+i to tab |
| 22:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | then you need to figure how to mount the maemo rootfs |
| 22:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 22:15.00 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: Suspected as much. For the moment, though, I'm focusing on (1) charging back to green and (2) seeing if I can use flasher from a Virtualbox so I don't have to go in the other room, since Arch can't enumerate the usb thingamadoodles. |
| 22:15.20 | MohammadAG | the initrd has problems mounting ubifs partitions |
| 22:15.27 | MohammadAG | missing lib or something |
| 22:15.53 | Kilroo1 | Thank you, MohammadAG. Very useful information...especially that last part which has the potential to save me hours of wild goose chasing... |
| 22:17.14 | Kilroo1 | Every time I see ubifs I picture the ubisoft logo |
| 22:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | I think booting to a full meego system on uSD is a better way to stay mentally sane and still recover some maemo borkedness |
| 22:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | aiui you can boot meego from uSD quite the same way you boot rescue-initrd |
| 22:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | but you got a proper full equipped system then, rather than a neutered crippled minimalistic initrd |
| 22:19.05 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 22:19.31 | Kilroo1 | DocS: There's a thought. My backups are on my 32gig but I have an 8 right next to me that isn't doing anything useful. Sounds like a splendid idea if it'll work. |
| 22:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | (booting meego using flasher) not very common nowadays, but been where meego started |
| 22:20.22 | Kilroo1 | I'm still kinda wondering where I fouled up what I was trying to do in the first place |
| 22:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | messing with init is always a russian roulette |
| 22:21.12 | Venemo | hey DocScrutinizer, I hacked together something that your tester may like |
| 22:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | my tester? |
| 22:21.29 | Kilroo1 | I suspect it was partly due to my not realizing that the step where I got stuck was going to keep multiboot from happening (yeah, yeah, I know) |
| 22:22.03 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, the same person whom you claimed to have been the tester of puzzle-master? |
| 22:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | the stepson of my friend |
| 22:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | not seen him for a long time |
| 22:22.35 | Kilroo1 | but I'm not sure, because I can't really tell whether it's still trying to use power47 anyway, and if it is, then the module for the patriot microsd is not the problem. |
| 22:22.51 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, well, any kid would like it. even MohammadAG is loving it :) |
| 22:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe :-D |
| 22:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | I have to confess PM is waiting for evaluation since last update that's been like one week ago |
| 22:23.50 | Venemo | PM=? |
| 22:23.55 | Venemo | ahh |
| 22:23.57 | Venemo | puzzlemaster |
| 22:23.59 | Venemo | no problem :) |
| 22:24.08 | Venemo | take your time |
| 22:28.30 | Kilroo1 | Side note: there is precious little easy documentation to find regarding bootmenu. Multiboot and u-boot are much easier to find. Makes threads that talk about bootmenu quite confusing at times. |
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| 22:41.20 | MohammadAG | <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, well, any kid would like it. even MohammadAG is loving it :) |
| 22:41.24 | MohammadAG | I see what you did there |
| 22:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: bootmenu is relatively simple to understand. What backupmenu does is way more difficult to understand as it rapes bootmenu's concept |
| 22:46.21 | Venemo | MohammadAG, what do you mean? |
| 22:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | admittedly due to the fact bootmenu's concept is missing a few basic things, so implementing sth like backup menu is impossible without raping bootmenu |
| 22:47.35 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: I wasn't looking at it in the context of backupmenu...in the process of stuff, I came across a thread about booting to a rootfs on emmc instead of the normal one, and it had a bit about making it work with bootmenu and a question (with no answer I believe) about making it work with multiboot instead. |
| 22:47.48 | Kilroo1 | Partly off-topid: still wtb http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=865425&postcount=84 |
| 22:48.11 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot is deprecated crap |
| 22:48.13 | Venemo | MohammadAG, aaaaahhh |
| 22:48.20 | Kilroo1 | topic, not topid |
| 22:48.20 | Venemo | MohammadAG, I didn't mean it like that. |
| 22:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I got it like that :-P |
| 22:50.00 | Venemo | eehh. |
| 22:50.15 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: Since I'm getting an Archos 101, I may actually be about to take your advice (actually mine too, I just haven't followed it yet) and ditch nitdroid completely until someone makes it work with u-boot. |
| 22:50.16 | Venemo | apparently I'm having some trouble expressing myself in English |
| 22:50.19 | Venemo | sorry MohammadAG :) |
| 22:50.26 | Kilroo1 | English is a crappy language |
| 22:50.59 | Kilroo1 | wish I weren't too lazy to bother learning better ones |
| 22:51.08 | Venemo | hehe |
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| 22:51.42 | MohammadAG | lol no worries Venemo |
| 22:51.49 | Kilroo1 | I understand French fairly well, but any language in which "it's not the foot, it's the beard" means "it's not okay, it's boring" is bound to be a little confusing |
| 22:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: that's just because MohammadAG is really young. Would you say "even DocScrutinizer loves it" I'd feel pleased I haven't lost all of my childish mind |
| 22:52.04 | Kilroo1 | Granted English does some equally silly things |
| 22:52.15 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, well, check out the stuff and say you love it. |
| 22:52.23 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, then I'll say "even DocScrutinizer loves it" :) |
| 22:52.46 | MohammadAG | hmm, can't find my N900 |
| 22:52.56 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, you'll need a git client and a Qt Creator. https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/memory-game |
| 22:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 22:53.21 | MohammadAG | just give him a binary |
| 22:53.26 | Kilroo1 | Wait a minute. |
| 22:53.33 | Venemo | heh |
| 22:53.35 | Venemo | okay |
| 22:53.51 | MohammadAG | ZogG, orange sucks |
| 22:54.06 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, wait 5 minutes and you shall have a binary |
| 22:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | ok, but I insist in you saying "even DocScrutinizer the old fart loves it" |
| 22:55.27 | Venemo | are you an old fart? |
| 22:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | since 2 days I definitely am |
| 22:55.52 | Venemo | why is that? |
| 22:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | aging process cycle completed one time too often |
| 22:56.26 | MohammadAG | aka birthday? |
| 22:56.43 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, how many is too often? |
| 22:57.16 | MohammadAG | omg qole was here |
| 22:57.24 | Kilroo1 | Good grief, I have 166 firefox tabs open |
| 22:57.40 | SpeedEvil | Only 166? |
| 22:57.46 | SpeedEvil | loves panorama. |
| 22:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | I prefer to think in astronomic dimensions, like "some unknown planet seen a earth-sun occlusion for the <noooooo:-P>th time since I started to suffer from the big blue box |
| 22:58.02 | SpeedEvil | stabs the fuckheads that removed the close-window-warning. |
| 22:58.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, <noooooo:-P>=? |
| 22:58.41 | nox- | SpeedEvil, you can use history->restore previous session |
| 22:58.50 | Kilroo1 | 166 is not actually that many for me, but I think that's double how many I had open before I decided I wanted to repartition my emmc yesterday. |
| 22:58.55 | nox- | (in ff 4.0 at least) |
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| 22:58.59 | SpeedEvil | nox-: Indeed you can. |
| 22:59.07 | SpeedEvil | nox-: Which is quite irrelevant to my objection. |
| 22:59.14 | nox- | hm ok |
| 22:59.17 | SpeedEvil | nox-: That takes both bandwidth, and lots of time. |
| 22:59.27 | nox- | hm true... |
| 22:59.32 | SpeedEvil | nox-: In high tab-count cases. And in some cases loses transient content. |
| 22:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: you can see my "avatar" all over tmo, you're free to guess |
| 22:59.40 | nox- | *nod* |
| 22:59.53 | MohammadAG_ | ff4 still asks me if I want to close all tabs |
| 22:59.59 | ShadowJK | I addead a squid server on my local network to mitigate the bandwidth splurge after a firefox crash |
| 23:00.28 | SpeedEvil | For example, I'm a subscriber to a news service. And typically have 20 of their tabs open. But I can only access 10 stories a day. So when I have to reload, I get 10 tabs, and 10 saying 'you can't access this today' |
| 23:00.42 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: if you have >1 window open it does, if you do not, it does not. |
| 23:00.43 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 23:00.58 | Kilroo1 | squid server sounds like it should run on a Japanese restaurant. |
| 23:01.02 | Kilroo1 | Or something. |
| 23:01.31 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, judging by this: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=35572 I wouldn't think you are any older than 35 |
| 23:01.44 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I need to re-set that up. Well - or something similar. I had wwwoffled. This is intended as an offline cache. |
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| 23:01.57 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: So you can access it while offline, and it will not error. |
| 23:02.05 | ShadowJK | nice |
| 23:02.10 | Kilroo1 | facepalms |
| 23:02.12 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Also I need it to setup my differential proxy idea. |
| 23:02.15 | Kilroo1 | Flasher is in AUR. |
| 23:04.33 | Kilroo1 | Flasher from AUR gets a different error. One for which I have already encountered a proposed solution. Where did I leave that tab. |
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| 23:09.06 | Kilroo1 | Hooray! Flashing from Arch works with flasher from AUR and rmmodded phonet stuff. |
| 23:09.13 | Kilroo1 | shuts off virtualbox. |
| 23:09.38 | merlin1991 | Kilroo1: mind to share the solution for the nativ arch flasher? |
| 23:10.03 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, would you prefer an x86_64 binary or a .deb for the N900? |
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| 23:10.26 | merlin1991 | Venemo: x86_64 isn't going far on the n900 |
| 23:10.26 | Kilroo1 | merlin1991: Install flasher from AUR, sudo rmmod cdc_phonet, sudo rmmod phonet, flash. WOMM. |
| 23:10.38 | Venemo | merlin1991, this isn't only for the N900 |
| 23:11.08 | Venemo | merlin1991, the question was rather whether DocScrutinizer prefers to try it on his n900 or his computer |
| 23:11.52 | merlin1991 | for me it looked like (would you prefer an x86_64 binary or a .deb) for the N900? and not would you prefer an x86_64 binary or ( a .deb for the N900?) |
| 23:12.00 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:12.44 | Venemo | merlin1991, apply common sense. |
| 23:13.11 | merlin1991 | you're asking for too much ;) |
| 23:13.18 | Venemo | :P |
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| 23:14.14 | merlin1991 | starts to wonder if it was such a good idea to install kernel-power-flasher over ssh |
| 23:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: N900 of course |
| 23:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: why? |
| 23:14.59 | merlin1991 | buecause nothing happened |
| 23:15.10 | merlin1991 | untill I saw the there is a warning window on the n900 |
| 23:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | afaik sth will happen on next boot |
| 23:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | oh yes, that too |
| 23:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | we discussed that problem lately |
| 23:16.27 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 23:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | it boiled down to "how do I detect I run in an xterm and not under HAM" |
| 23:17.01 | Kilroo1 | oh by the way. Can I turn on the blasted backlight from the rescue terminal or something? I'm going to go blind peering at the screen. |
| 23:17.32 | merlin1991 | and I think ended up with the channel splitted btw the "use ham and stufu" and the "it should work over ssh too fanboys" |
| 23:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | umm, echo 100 >/sys/*??/brightness |
| 23:19.27 | Kilroo1 | in other words no. |
| 23:19.32 | Kilroo1 | hehe |
| 23:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 23:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | no /sys? |
| 23:19.57 | Kilroo1 | Can't type > |
| 23:20.01 | Kilroo1 | at least not so far. |
| 23:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | fsck! |
| 23:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | this is SOOOOO annoying - and silly |
| 23:21.04 | Kilroo1 | On the bright side, I have at least gotten as far as the initrd now |
| 23:21.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, "how do I detect I run in an xterm and not under HAM" -> couldbe the output of 'ps aux | grep hildon-application-manager' |
| 23:21.50 | merlin1991 | FFS |
| 23:21.55 | merlin1991 | I just wanted to install apps |
| 23:22.07 | Kilroo1 | ...unfortunately, while I can now mount home and MyDocs from linux, I still don't seem to be able to mount the rootfs where I wanted to make the changes... |
| 23:22.15 | merlin1991 | guess what happened to maemo.org/packages/vew |
| 23:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I thought more along the line of $PPID and /proc/fd/* |
| 23:22.36 | merlin1991 | Kilroo1: rootfs is on a different flash |
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| 23:23.11 | Kilroo1 | merlin1991: Yep. Somewhere I'd gotten the apparently mistaken impression it was going to be exposed for mounting. |
| 23:23.47 | Kilroo1 | I need to take some time to reorganize my tabs so I can find the right ones |
| 23:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: wait a few years, eventually I will remember which (init.d/*) script did that, checking if stdout is assigned to a terminal or not |
| 23:23.50 | Kilroo1 | also eat |
| 23:24.08 | Kilroo1 | meanwhile time to put n900 back in a chargeable state |
| 23:24.17 | merlin1991 | Kilroo1: maybe this can help you: http://pastebin.com/eqxajxeC |
| 23:24.40 | Venemo | mhm |
| 23:25.24 | Kilroo1 | merlin1991: Maybe so. It's very pretty. What is it? |
| 23:25.38 | merlin1991 | output of mount from my n900 |
| 23:25.54 | merlin1991 | maybe you get some info on how to mount rootfs out of it |
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| 23:26.06 | Kilroo1 | Ah |
| 23:26.08 | Kilroo1 | Thank you. |
| 23:26.13 | SpeedEvil | You cannot mount the rootfs over USB with the stock system. |
| 23:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | recue-initrd has problems mounting ubifs afaik |
| 23:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: rescue-initrd |
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| 23:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ...which is a way more nasty problem |
| 23:28.01 | Kilroo1 | SpeedEvil: I know. I was trying to do it using the rescue initrd. So far that hasn't helped either. I think next step is trying to use flasher to boot meego from a microSD...if that still doesn't help I'm probably just going to have to reflash the durn thing after all. |
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| 23:28.38 | Kilroo1 | But for the moment, I require caloric intake |
| 23:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
| 23:28.59 | Kilroo1 | so phone back to charging mode and kilroo to kitchen. |
| 23:30.24 | merlin1991 | just loves the huge WARNING! header when installing ic2-tools |
| 23:30.52 | SpeedEvil | It is actually possible to bork your device. |
| 23:30.57 | merlin1991 | also the fact, that it again did a warning window on the n900 |
| 23:31.14 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: I don't plan on creating an expensive brick |
| 23:31.20 | merlin1991 | I only installed hostmode-gui |
| 23:31.46 | merlin1991 | wich hopefully does proper use of ic2-tools |
| 23:31.58 | merlin1991 | blames MohammadAG if not |
| 23:32.25 | SpeedEvil | blames canada. |
| 23:33.24 | Venemo | achipa, ping |
| 23:33.50 | merlin1991 | lol brightness went to 0 when closing the hostmode-gui |
| 23:34.22 | Venemo | achipa, did you know that any app using QGLWidget will segfault under Scratchbox? |
| 23:38.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, http://venemo.fedorapeople.org/ -> memory-game_1.0_armel.deb |
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| 23:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | blames Nokia ;-P |
| 23:40.17 | Venemo | merlin1991, you can restore it easily |
| 23:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: known issue when restarting bme. lock&unlock will fix |
| 23:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | known though not yet understood I have to add |
| 23:42.11 | ShadowJK | it's the bme upstart script |
| 23:42.18 | ShadowJK | it sets brightness to 0 |
| 23:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | wut?? |
| 23:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | idiocy |
| 23:43.16 | ShadowJK | it accidentlly triggers a "oh shit we're booted with low battery, turn everything off until we can get bme running" |
| 23:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmm... |
| 23:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks for shedding some light on this |
| 23:44.47 | Venemo | nah, I'll go get some sleep now |
| 23:44.53 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, lemme know your thoughts tomorrow |
| 23:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | anyway the workaround is simple: two times push the lock-slider switch |
| 23:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'll let you know right now the pissing microb just displayed rubbish when clicking the link |
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| 23:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: night :-D |
| 23:46.13 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, use "save as" or whatever |
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| 23:47.37 | Kilroo1 | Random thought of the moment: I still love the belt case I use for my n900. |
| 23:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | 120k?? o.O |
| 23:48.40 | Venemo | dunno why, the executable is 130k |
| 23:49.47 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, also, this is my first attempt at a translateable application |
| 23:49.57 | Venemo | anyway, good night! |
| 23:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | EUPL?? o.O |
| 23:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf eupl |
| 23:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~eupl |
| 23:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~wiki eupl |
| 23:52.00 | ShadowJK | NIH? |
| 23:52.27 | BCMM | are garage accounts linked to any other accounts? |
| 23:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | umm, not afaik |
| 23:53.16 | BCMM | thanks |
| 23:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | denada |
| 23:56.46 | *** join/#maemo MohammadAG (~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG) |
| 23:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: nice :-) |
| 23:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I gather you'll improve it to have user selectable pictures and # of cards |
| 23:58.02 | Kilroo1 | I find it entertaining that there are actually things released under the wtfpl |
| 23:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: meego has ubifs support (according to alterego) |
| 23:59.25 | BCMM | heh, "Approvement" |
| 23:59.49 | BCMM | (i am awaiting "Approvement" for extras-devel) |
| 23:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | starts to feel sick - damn |
