| 00:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles. |
| 00:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | I found the 1st American edition Harry Potter #1 I've had since elementary school. |
| 00:01.20 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, then why it doesn't work here? |
| 00:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, bottom ones as well play here |
| 00:01.39 | SpeedEvil | looks at his wand. |
| 00:02.01 | compengi | very weird |
| 00:02.43 | compengi | i will try tomorrow at the university |
| 00:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer it would open in mediaplayer though |
| 00:03.18 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, cutetube is a nice application. high quality flash and really fast |
| 00:03.40 | compengi | not a 240p in original format :P |
| 00:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | aah yes, I see - friggin flash |
| 00:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | Goes for about $1500 in good shape, but mine's a little water damaged: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5704882727/ |
| 00:04.54 | nox- | too bad get_iplayer suffers from geoblocking (even tho i dont watch that particular show :) |
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| 00:05.59 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, can you imagine 2 core 1ghz per core and laggy on this website? i looked at my phone and felt better :P |
| 00:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | since flash11 I can't watch 60% of youtube on my pentium-dualcore 1.6GHz |
| 00:08.17 | nox- | haha |
| 00:08.22 | compengi | lol |
| 00:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | that's when I started to hate flash, nah actually adobe |
| 00:08.40 | nox- | flash is fail in soo many ways... |
| 00:08.45 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, but on htc with same android version, it works very smoothly |
| 00:09.24 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1063323&cid=26128419 |
| 00:09.27 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, it was even laggy on the desktop |
| 00:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe it was when the 3rd month in a row I got a warning from cert.de about vulnerabilities in flash, and had to learn this doesn't bother Nokia nor adobe, for the N900 |
| 00:11.22 | nox- | yeah `security' is the other big fail |
| 00:11.26 | nox- | of flash |
| 00:11.49 | nox- | there was a jawdropping chaos congress talk about that... |
| 00:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, seen that |
| 00:12.10 | nox- | :) |
| 00:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | flash, the hidden OS |
| 00:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | or was it pdf? |
| 00:12.53 | nox- | yeah and with ugly old code kept for backwards-compatibility |
| 00:13.12 | nox- | pdf is similar i guess now |
| 00:13.19 | nox- | (that was a later talk) |
| 00:14.09 | nox- | and excel sheets can embed flash too, the madness never ends... |
| 00:14.28 | nox- | (and the exploits :) |
| 00:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | hail apple for banning flash from iphone |
| 00:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | seems I said that 2 days ago, when someone called me mad |
| 00:14.54 | nox- | yeah thats one of the few good things about apple |
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| 00:16.11 | nox- | this was the flash talk: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3494.en.html |
| 00:16.22 | nox- | http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/26C3/mp4/26c3-3494-de-defending_the_poor.mp4 |
| 00:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | look at this: http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=24821- seems video without flash can be done |
| 00:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | works nicely on my N900 |
| 00:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | even via 3G |
| 00:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | in mediaplayer |
| 00:20.10 | nox- | looks like embedded mediaplayer plugin |
| 00:20.32 | nox- | i.e. what ppl did before flash video became popular |
| 00:21.01 | nox- | (and i had to drop the last - from your link) |
| 00:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=24821&mode=play |
| 00:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | c&p error |
| 00:22.40 | nox- | yeah same one |
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| 00:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | what puzzles me is it doesn't work for settings h264 |
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| 00:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, on my laptop it doesn't play at all, as does your link above. Video is borked on this laptop |
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| 00:39.41 | fusi[n900] | hmm |
| 00:40.49 | fusi[n900] | oc'd @ 1ghz - stable in every way apart from transferring large files from sd to mydocs :( |
| 00:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 00:41.41 | fusi[n900] | even just setting to lv with no speed increase causes reboots :( |
| 00:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | running my incandescent bulbs @ 300V. Totally stable, except for heat |
| 00:42.37 | fusi[n900] | weird that its only cpying files fails |
| 00:42.44 | fusi[n900] | thts all |
| 00:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | wait a short while, other permanent irreversible fails will follow soon |
| 00:43.55 | fusi[n900] | mm |
| 00:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~oc |
| 00:44.38 | infobot | oc is probably an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s |
| 00:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~overclocking |
| 00:44.48 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 00:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | and |
| 00:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc |
| 00:44.58 | infobot | hmm... omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 00:45.40 | fusi[n900] | :) |
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| 00:53.21 | fusi[n900] | hehe ok |
| 00:53.31 | fusi[n900] | point understood |
| 00:54.07 | fusi[n900] | understood doc |
| 00:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 00:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | and haha, got banned on some channels |
| 00:55.40 | fusi[n900] | :) |
| 00:56.18 | fusi[n900] | im thinking the kwiki should be updated |
| 00:56.23 | fusi[n900] | -k |
| 00:56.37 | fusi[n900] | if it rly is that bad |
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| 01:08.06 | fusi[n900] | reboot |
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| 01:12.04 | cehteh | btw i got my bicycle dynamo recharge thing today ... of course i had to solder a micro usb cable since there was no adapter with it |
| 01:12.16 | cehteh | but after that it works really nicely |
| 01:12.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:12.30 | SpeedEvil | It is a regulated 5V out? |
| 01:13.25 | cehteh | http://www.miniwiz.com/products/energy/dynamo-reecharge |
| 01:15.29 | SpeedEvil | has been pondering getting a rather larger battery for his bike. |
| 01:15.53 | SpeedEvil | (10Ah, 48V) |
| 01:16.06 | cehteh | with a dynamo hub i dont really need a big battery, its just for buffering |
| 01:16.26 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/48V-20AH-LiFePO4-Battery-Rechargeable-Electric-Bike-Kit-/130502832653?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6293320d |
| 01:17.25 | SpeedEvil | Maybe not quite that large. |
| 01:18.24 | SpeedEvil | Above would run the n900 for most of a year. :) |
| 01:18.42 | cehteh | yes and its fun to carry along :P |
| 01:19.11 | cehteh | besides you certainly forget to recharge after 350 days ... :P |
| 01:20.35 | SpeedEvil | The idea would be more that it carries me along. :) |
| 01:20.54 | cehteh | mhm this small nokia charger adapter which came with the n900 .. has really some second use as heating and pizza oven :P |
| 01:21.08 | cehteh | thats not biking anymore :P |
| 01:21.09 | SpeedEvil | It is reportedly quite warm |
| 01:21.32 | cehteh | i just testing it |
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| 01:21.42 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately health means that it's problematic to bike normally. |
| 01:21.50 | SpeedEvil | I get tired way too easily. |
| 01:21.55 | cehteh | ok |
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| 02:39.47 | pauly_ | hi i have n900 anyone want to buy it |
| 02:40.16 | pauly_ | broken usb port |
| 02:40.18 | lolcat | heh |
| 02:40.29 | pauly_ | i in usa |
| 02:40.32 | lolcat | I am getting a refund for mine because of that |
| 02:40.57 | pauly_ | lolcat do u like android |
| 02:41.06 | lolcat | Nope |
| 02:41.10 | lolcat | It is shit |
| 02:41.29 | lolcat | If I want a tablet/gaming-device, I'll buy one |
| 02:41.39 | lolcat | I want my phone to handle communication well |
| 02:41.43 | lolcat | The N900 does that |
| 02:41.48 | pauly_ | idk im thinking of galaxy s 2 |
| 02:42.02 | lolcat | I am stuck with a HTC Desire now |
| 02:42.07 | lolcat | It is BOOORING :P |
| 02:42.17 | lolcat | And it sucks for texting/chatting |
| 02:42.46 | pauly_ | i like n900 but the microB is slow compared to webkit |
| 02:42.54 | pauly_ | idk what to do |
| 02:42.57 | lolcat | Tried firefox? |
| 02:43.06 | pauly_ | worse |
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| 02:43.17 | pauly_ | no real twitter app |
| 02:43.20 | lolcat | And yeah, surfing is faster on a new phone with 1ghz cpu, and shitloads of ram |
| 02:43.55 | pauly_ | the galaxy s II is dual core arm |
| 02:44.07 | pauly_ | 1080p video recording |
| 02:44.37 | pauly_ | but android is werid you cant close an app |
| 02:45.31 | lolcat | 1080p video recordin sux with a that small lence unless it is really good ligth |
| 02:45.37 | lolcat | lense* |
| 02:45.48 | lolcat | And you don't have windows in the same sence |
| 02:46.14 | pauly_ | idl im stuck inbetwwen i found a my touch 3g htc android phone |
| 02:46.20 | pauly_ | for free |
| 02:46.46 | pauly_ | and like andoird |
| 02:47.20 | xd13 | i love n900 but its getting old quick |
| 02:47.45 | xd13 | i hope nokia pulls through makes an n950 running meego |
| 02:47.47 | pauly_ | same |
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| 02:48.00 | xd13 | i'm even considering leaving a hardware keyboard for a faster phone now |
| 02:48.12 | pauly_ | idk i installed meego on aspire one and it seems boring |
| 02:48.31 | lolcat | I'd rather have Maemo than Meego |
| 02:48.35 | xd13 | anyone know if you can put a super clean rom on the android phones |
| 02:48.42 | xd13 | ya i'm lovin maemo on n900 |
| 02:48.50 | lolcat | I think I migth go with three phones xD |
| 02:49.06 | pauly_ | anyone know of an usa carrier with unlimited web |
| 02:49.09 | lolcat | N900, N97 mini, and a fast android phone |
| 02:49.23 | xd13 | i'm on unlimited web on tmobile |
| 02:49.42 | pauly_ | dont they cap u |
| 02:49.46 | lolcat | Like you can dowload a TB on your phone? |
| 02:49.50 | pauly_ | im on tmobile |
| 02:49.51 | xd13 | i pay 60/month |
| 02:50.00 | xd13 | i've never gotten capped |
| 02:50.13 | xd13 | maybe there is one but when i log onto my acct online it says unlimited |
| 02:50.27 | pauly_ | they say 2gbs and after that it goes to EDGE |
| 02:50.34 | xd13 | hmm |
| 02:50.48 | xd13 | i'm not goign 2 purposely start download something just to give it a test |
| 02:50.55 | pauly_ | so im like wtf and they want $30 for 5gbs |
| 02:51.24 | xd13 | because all the companies are getting super greedy |
| 02:51.33 | xd13 | no one is using their minutes anymore |
| 02:51.37 | pauly_ | im in baltimore and glaxy s hspa+ got 15 mbps down |
| 02:51.42 | xd13 | they already profit so much from txting because it costs them nothing |
| 02:52.03 | xd13 | and all the companies want to end net neutrality and control it |
| 02:52.14 | pauly_ | i think n900 is 10 down |
| 02:53.10 | pauly_ | i want to switch but im scared |
| 02:54.21 | pauly_ | maybe if theres nice webkit browser for maemo and real twitter app |
| 02:54.38 | pauly_ | i would stay |
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| 02:55.51 | pauly_ | anyone want to buy my n900 with broken usb port |
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| 03:03.10 | Pauly | noone want to buy n900 with broken usb |
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| 03:06.06 | doc|home | Pauly: how would a person charge it? |
| 03:06.49 | doc|home | xd13: telecomms regulation NEVER ends as they say it will. It ends with less competition, not more. |
| 03:07.42 | cehteh | Pauly: for how much? |
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| 03:15.53 | Pauly | spare battery charger |
| 03:16.17 | Pauly | cehteh: 250 usd |
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| 07:46.14 | macmaN | whats up guys, does maemo log interface status changes somewhere? i.e. when 3G connections were made |
| 07:46.22 | macmaN | or wifi |
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| 07:58.39 | chem|st | macmaN: had a lock in dmesg? |
| 07:58.55 | chem|st | s/lock/look/ |
| 07:59.02 | chem|st | mornign |
| 07:59.09 | chem|st | grml |
| 07:59.15 | chem|st | had no coffee yet |
| 07:59.21 | macmaN | dmesg doesnt help in this case, i could use persistence, since i need to find out about something from like 3 weeks ago |
| 07:59.35 | macmaN | im seeing autodisconnect is putting its log in /var/log |
| 07:59.58 | macmaN | but for some reason the author has decided that putting date information in timestamps is too much space hogging :/ |
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| 08:00.25 | chem|st | logrotate is usualy 7 days if not speciefied any different (some do 30 by default), so you must be lucky if +8 days ago |
| 08:00.28 | macmaN | but i guess i could write my own little echo script in /etc/network/if-up.d right |
| 08:00.36 | macmaN | maemo has logrotate? |
| 08:00.52 | macmaN | s/has/does |
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| 08:01.15 | chem|st | maemo ehrm guess not by default but some stuff is just debian like |
| 08:01.19 | macmaN | my impression has been it doesnt mostly log anything at all |
| 08:01.45 | chem|st | macmaN: that is the strapdown to save space, there is no man either |
| 08:02.13 | chem|st | logging is turned of by default, thought you turned that on |
| 08:02.35 | chem|st | stuff like syslog needs extra love |
| 08:02.47 | chem|st | at least last time I checked |
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| 08:15.21 | macmaN | yep i am aware of syslog, i figured *maybe* there's something low-traffic .log for stuff like if-up/down |
| 08:15.25 | macmaN | regardless of syslog |
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| 08:16.03 | macmaN | my dumb ass network operator claims i had some 20MB session of traffic at some insane tariff |
| 08:16.41 | macmaN | i have no files on the phone with that date, so it wasnt anything i downloaded |
| 08:17.03 | macmaN | i am not tethering, so it wasnt the computers |
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| 08:18.35 | Sicelo_ | afaik they rarely go wrong macmaN (not wanting to be a downer) |
| 08:19.08 | Sicelo_ | 10:17 < macmaN> i have no files on the phone with that date |
| 08:19.15 | Sicelo_ | what do u meanhere? |
| 08:19.49 | edheldil | macmaN: what about watching a video :))) |
| 08:19.50 | macmaN | two vectors are likely |
| 08:19.53 | macmaN | gpodder |
| 08:20.03 | Sicelo_ | /s/meanhere/mean here/ |
| 08:20.07 | macmaN | and the dumbass package management |
| 08:20.34 | macmaN | i dont watch internet video on the phone. at all. |
| 08:20.48 | macmaN | over cellular that is |
| 08:21.22 | edheldil | don't fret, when I connect to mobile data, I often immediately get message that I have exhausted my data limit :/ |
| 08:21.52 | Sicelo_ | s/meanhere/mean here/ |
| 08:21.52 | edheldil | macmaN: what about email sync? |
| 08:21.58 | Sicelo_ | yay |
| 08:22.00 | macmaN | edheldil: no email configured on the phone |
| 08:22.20 | macmaN | edheldil: even then, email wouldnt be accessible over cellular without vpn |
| 08:22.40 | macmaN | edheldil: you get an sms for such alerts? |
| 08:22.55 | macmaN | i just recently installed dataplan monitor widget |
| 08:23.19 | macmaN | its readings seem to correspond to what operator logs are for this month, unfortunately i just installed it recently |
| 08:23.45 | edheldil | my mobile provider sends it, it says that my data rate will be limited (and it sucks afterwards, that's true) |
| 08:24.17 | edheldil | (it sucks before that, too, to be sure :)) |
| 08:24.22 | macmaN | right, thats why i am so pissed off at mine. there are no tools to totally disable the insane-rate data nor are there any alerts. |
| 08:25.20 | Sicelo_ | macmaN: there's a whole range of other things that can use lots of data. another thing, is the device always with you, or someone else could have used it? |
| 08:25.20 | macmaN | with the devices nowadays that can god knows what should you just leave the touchscreen lock open or something in the pocket, that is just stoneage quality service |
| 08:25.29 | edheldil | probably that's their punishment for me downgrading from unlimited data tariff |
| 08:25.31 | macmaN | Sicelo_: only me, 100% |
| 08:26.37 | macmaN | Sicelo_: primary issue is how was the connection created? i have "always ask" for all connections, which seems like open touchscreen problem |
| 08:26.59 | chem|st | macmaN: 20MB session sounds like ham autoupdate with some like 5 repos active |
| 08:27.35 | macmaN | chem|st: yep that i agree, i just checked, fapman reported 14MB downloaded for last update |
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| 08:28.15 | macmaN | i have since turned HAM completely off, i.e. disabled the repos and only use fapman manually |
| 08:28.44 | chem|st | just extras (+devel+testing) + nokia should be something like 16-20MB |
| 08:28.47 | macmaN | i think the update system of automatically downloading full repo data is just plain stupid in today's cellular data world |
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| 08:29.22 | chem|st | for updates yes |
| 08:30.04 | chem|st | AND there should be a button to turnoff those updates on celldata at all |
| 08:30.06 | macmaN | and its not exactly difficult to differentiate between wlan and ppp, so i dont get why it is not a preference |
| 08:30.06 | flux | doesn't debian and ubuntu both support sending increments, but apparently maemo doesn't? |
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| 08:30.36 | chem|st | flux: maemo is like "etch" or something |
| 08:31.16 | chem|st | my desktops recieve diffs |
| 08:32.00 | chem|st | you send the date of last check and recieve all diffs from then on |
| 08:33.05 | macmaN | is there a discussion diffs on tmo |
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| 08:50.24 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, |
| 08:50.29 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, ping |
| 08:52.24 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, ping |
| 08:53.01 | chem|st | macmaN: new post since last time you read a thread |
| 08:53.22 | chem|st | crashanddie: just talk |
| 08:53.39 | macmaN | chem|st: uh, wdym? |
| 08:53.40 | crashanddie | maybe what I need to ask isn't #maemo worthy? |
| 08:53.47 | chem|st | hehe |
| 08:54.01 | chem|st | macmaN: diff on tmo |
| 08:54.05 | macmaN | hahhhha |
| 08:54.10 | macmaN | damn |
| 08:54.19 | chem|st | "I'm not worthy!" |
| 08:54.43 | macmaN | i'm noticing going past that big 3-0 age is definitely hampering the ability to not skip words while typing |
| 08:54.56 | chem|st | crashanddie: you'll never find out by not asking |
| 08:55.00 | macmaN | or maybe i just thought slower in the 20ies |
| 08:55.40 | chem|st | hehe |
| 08:56.29 | chem|st | each "link" within a thread description (just the headers) has its functionality |
| 08:56.54 | crashanddie | chem|st, how about if I talk about it publicly, it might ruin the whole thing? :p |
| 08:57.03 | chem|st | so clicking the number will bring you to another post than clicking the thread title |
| 08:57.28 | chem|st | crashanddie: damn, but I'm so curious |
| 09:07.31 | macmaN | chem|st: my question actually was meant to be "is there a discussion on update diffs somewhere on tmo" |
| 09:07.45 | chem|st | ah ok |
| 09:08.06 | chem|st | have no idea but pls feel free to start one |
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| 09:11.40 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, pong |
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| 09:20.20 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping |
| 09:20.26 | merlin1991 | khertan: ping |
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| 09:48.44 | RST38h | moos evilly |
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| 09:53.12 | RST38h | Mhm...photoshoppers "designing meego device" on tmo again. |
| 09:55.06 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 09:55.25 | SpeedEvil | These are the sort of people that design flying cars, while oimitting the propellors/jets. |
| 09:58.21 | Hukka | import antigravity is such a wonderful thing |
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| 09:59.45 | VoltageX | hi, I built a package in scratchbox for armel, but the files are being installed into ./scratchbox/compilers/bin according to dpkg-deb --contents |
| 09:59.51 | VoltageX | What did I do wrong? |
| 10:00.49 | ruskie | RST38h, where? |
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| 10:08.13 | chem|st | RST38h: and it looks bad too |
| 10:09.26 | chem|st | ruskie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69854 there |
| 10:10.26 | ruskie | ahh |
| 10:10.39 | ruskie | tries to resist throwing up at that first pic... |
| 10:11.15 | ruskie | hmm so two designs in the entire thread... fun.. |
| 10:11.31 | ruskie | the second one actually looks epic... but I would never use it because it just seems to fidly... |
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| 10:11.59 | SpeedEvil | wishes he had funding to try stuff. |
| 10:12.11 | SpeedEvil | Though first I'd try to make my hoverboard. |
| 10:12.37 | ruskie | hoverboards epicness!!! |
| 10:13.00 | SpeedEvil | 30Kg of lithium-ion 40C cells, 20Kg of ducted fans, and a platrform to stand on. |
| 10:13.23 | SpeedEvil | Not for the faint-hearted/sane. |
| 10:13.23 | ruskie | yup... that would be nice |
| 10:13.35 | ruskie | though wouldn't li-po be a tad safer idea? |
| 10:13.39 | SpeedEvil | As it can accellerate at 2G upwards in emergency thrust, and hit 4Km. |
| 10:14.13 | SpeedEvil | I think safer is a somewhat tricky concept when you're talking abouit a device that can smack you into the ground at 200mph if it goes wrong. |
| 10:15.28 | ruskie | you need to add some logic in there to keep it safe |
| 10:15.59 | SpeedEvil | Sure. Logic is a bit tricky - as first you need to work out where the ground is, in order to avoid it. |
| 10:16.34 | ruskie | don't aircraft already have some thingamagicky that does that??? |
| 10:16.38 | SpeedEvil | This at best means horribly complex maths. |
| 10:17.02 | SpeedEvil | Yes, that are heavy, and expensive. |
| 10:17.27 | SpeedEvil | You can do it in several grams nowadays - but the maths are nasty |
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| 10:20.21 | ruskie | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/AHRS <-- something like this? |
| 10:21.04 | SpeedEvil | yes. That sort of system in a normal aircraft will weight 1-10Kg, and cost more than your house. |
| 10:21.21 | ruskie | according to info can be as cheap as $15k |
| 10:21.45 | ruskie | as for speed and height and saftey just limit what it can do... |
| 10:21.48 | SpeedEvil | I was implying you live in a trailer. |
| 10:21.55 | SpeedEvil | (not really) |
| 10:22.03 | SpeedEvil | You basically can't do that. |
| 10:22.29 | SpeedEvil | Unless you limit the height to under 50cm or so, where you can detect the ground by direct methods. |
| 10:22.58 | SpeedEvil | Determining orientation is quite possible - look at openpilot, or google kalman filter. |
| 10:23.00 | robbiethe1st | Couldn't you bounce a lazer or radar signal off the ground? |
| 10:23.04 | SpeedEvil | It's just a bit annoying. |
| 10:23.20 | SpeedEvil | Yes. First you need to work out where the ground is, to point the laser at. |
| 10:23.25 | robbiethe1st | And... for orientation, you've got a simple 3-axis accelerometer |
| 10:23.32 | robbiethe1st | Ought to be able to handle it |
| 10:23.51 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: Consider what happens if you have a 3 axis accellerometer, and an engine which can accellerate you at 2G upwards. |
| 10:23.57 | SpeedEvil | Or indeed downwards. |
| 10:24.00 | ruskie | frankly I'd basically want something I could put a helmet with AR and ability to pick a destination then let it fly me there... |
| 10:24.14 | SpeedEvil | Think 'air-segway' |
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| 10:24.22 | robbiethe1st | SpeedEvil: Well, can't you tell how much power the engine's putting out? |
| 10:24.41 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: that doesn't tell you about drag |
| 10:24.42 | robbiethe1st | Some calibration, and you could probably make a pretty good guess? |
| 10:24.59 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/10/microsoft_skype_buy_near/ <-- erm... |
| 10:25.14 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - kalman filter with sensors will tell you your position. |
| 10:25.21 | SpeedEvil | and orientation - with GPS too |
| 10:25.31 | SpeedEvil | Joy |
| 10:25.49 | robbiethe1st | I wouldn't rely on GPS for much of anything <_< Seeing how poorly it works in the N900 |
| 10:26.03 | SpeedEvil | You use GPS for more navigation purpoises. |
| 10:26.16 | SpeedEvil | The safety stuff is from onboard sensors. |
| 10:26.18 | robbiethe1st | Just so long as if it goes out, nothing bad happens |
| 10:26.57 | ruskie | should be able to use dead reckoning when GPS goes out shouldn't it? |
| 10:27.28 | SpeedEvil | You're not - in this case - using the GPS for navigation as suck. |
| 10:27.31 | SpeedEvil | such. |
| 10:27.43 | SpeedEvil | It's more a position reference to desaturate your velocity estimates. |
| 10:31.34 | chem|st | what does MoNav routing daemon do in extras unhidden? |
| 10:32.31 | chem|st | ah got a cli |
| 10:32.54 | chem|st | wasn't it decided that cli stuff remains on cli? |
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| 10:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: wazzup |
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| 11:04.09 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i maybe getting back N900 this week |
| 11:04.21 | ZogG | are you have for me |
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| 11:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | lo chem|st - I'd tend to agree |
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| 11:24.46 | RST38h | moos at the lifeforms present |
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| 11:43.56 | VoltageX | What did I do wrong? |
| 11:43.59 | VoltageX | hi, I built a package in scratchbox for armel, but the files are being installed into ./scratchbox/compilers/bin according to dpkg-deb --contents |
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| 12:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA skype == M$ now |
| 12:15.02 | edheldil | is it already? |
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| 12:16.52 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 12:17.17 | SpeedEvil | Wanna bet clients for platforms other than wp7 in mobile space get deprioritised a bit? |
| 12:17.34 | Hukka | I'm wondering if they will even pull them |
| 12:17.35 | jacekowski | it's the end of the world |
| 12:17.39 | jacekowski | and everything |
| 12:17.44 | jacekowski | stargate is no more |
| 12:18.40 | ccooke | jacekowski: you mean they laid its shambling corpse to rest, finally? |
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| 12:19.01 | jacekowski | i mean they finished SGU with ugly cliffhanger |
| 12:19.21 | jacekowski | instead of doing it properly with 5 seasons as planned |
| 12:19.48 | ccooke | ugh |
| 12:20.16 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: my thought exactly... |
| 12:20.30 | BCMM | hopefully, this will kill skype, which would be a good thing |
| 12:20.59 | BCMM | there's more than one open technology that would be far superior if it gained critical mass |
| 12:21.38 | merlin1991 | BCMM: gimme names of the superior techs, I want to get rid of skype :P |
| 12:21.48 | BCMM | merlin1991: SIP, Jabber |
| 12:22.07 | BCMM | ok, so there's probably pros and cons |
| 12:22.14 | merlin1991 | I'm still searching for a useable jabber client for win |
| 12:22.23 | BCMM | merlin1991: doesn't google make one? |
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| 12:34.20 | chem|st | merlin1991: back in the days I used miranda |
| 12:37.03 | chem|st | BCMM: if properly implemented jabber serves all your needs |
| 12:39.49 | chem|st | BCMM: but one thing and that might be desktop sharing (skype shares display only) |
| 12:39.59 | BCMM | didn't know skype did that |
| 12:40.05 | BCMM | it only does it on windows |
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| 12:40.12 | chem|st | nope |
| 12:40.13 | BCMM | i presume |
| 12:40.18 | BCMM | mac too? |
| 12:40.25 | chem|st | I dont care about mac |
| 12:40.35 | chem|st | who cares about mac |
| 12:40.40 | BCMM | well, pretty sure the linux version doesn't do desktop sharing |
| 12:41.01 | chem|st | don't remember I am the one on the other side |
| 12:42.02 | chem|st | if there will be libskype is an interesting question that pops up the same time |
| 12:43.54 | chem|st | BCMM: since 2011/01/22 there should be "desktop-sharing" for linux, would call it display sharing but $user wouldn't understand |
| 12:44.30 | chem|st | since 2.1beta2 for linux |
| 12:44.32 | BCMM | this sort of thing would be so, so easy without NAT |
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| 12:45.13 | chem|st | ? |
| 12:46.44 | edheldil | chem|st: works-through-nat is about the main Skype selling point |
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| 12:52.19 | mgedmin | I would simplify that even more "works is about the main Skype selling point" |
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| 12:53.40 | ShadowJK | And before the others have that selling point too, it doesn't matter how much features they bolt on :) |
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| 12:56.18 | RST38h | Do you guys really believe that Skype will continue working once Microsoft applies its engineering expertise? |
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| 12:56.50 | nid0 | Do you really believe that it won't? |
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| 12:57.14 | RST38h | I woould give 70% probability that it won't |
| 12:57.22 | chx | I think Skype won't die |
| 12:57.32 | RST38h | No, it will not die either |
| 12:57.40 | chx | but i would be shocked to see another Skype for Linux client |
| 12:57.42 | Robot101 | it would be a waste of their investment if they killed it |
| 12:57.49 | Robot101 | also, really unlikely :P |
| 12:58.09 | RST38h | Not "killed". Made it a vehicle for expanding their business offerings into the new markets! |
| 12:58.10 | Robot101 | Skype's value is in the network, that's the biggest thing they'd avoid killing |
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| 12:58.33 | chx | 8.5 billion? How on earth would Skype worth 8.5b? Microsoft is mad. |
| 12:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | skype is a big trojan/virus/rootkit, like is windows |
| 12:58.59 | RST38h | BTW, how many active users does Skype have? |
| 12:59.02 | SpeedEvil | Supply and demand. |
| 12:59.18 | SpeedEvil | Can you get - say - 850m/year of revenue out now - no. |
| 12:59.21 | chx | RST38h: my skype client reports 26m users online right now |
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| 12:59.31 | nid0 | theres a difference between the company's own value and the company's added value to another business. |
| 12:59.36 | chx | RST38h: let's say they have 100m active users? |
| 12:59.39 | SpeedEvil | Is it possible that you can use skype to drive that amount of revenue to your buisness - debatable. |
| 12:59.48 | nid0 | skype isnt worth 8.5 bill, but skype services added to everything ms provides, hell yes |
| 13:00.57 | RST38h | Ok. 100m active users ==> $85/user |
| 13:00.59 | RST38h | Cheap! |
| 13:01.44 | RST38h | + if they lock Skype users to Windows, that will be pretty helpful for their platform |
| 13:02.01 | nid0 | did you even read the release on the takeover? |
| 13:02.23 | RST38h | no, should I? |
| 13:02.29 | nid0 | the bit where it says skype will continue fully as-is with clients for many platforms, and that theyre just adding a new team for more MS related stuff? |
| 13:02.35 | SpeedEvil | If they can somehow manage to convert a small percentage of those to WP7 customers too - that enables them to boost the size iof the WP7 platform, which makes it not quite so tiny, and more likley to survive in the market. |
| 13:03.00 | RST38h | nid0: this is just PR veneer |
| 13:03.15 | RST38h | nid0: should wait for a few months before the real picture comes into focus |
| 13:03.18 | nid0 | no, its also obvious and common sense. |
| 13:03.31 | RST38h | common sense != business sense, sorry |
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| 13:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | I definitely won't install any M$ trojan on my linux systems |
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| 13:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | M$ is a friggin genius when it comes to rogue sneaky ways to convince you that your platform sucks |
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| 13:08.19 | chx | nid0: where did you read that? I am trying to find it |
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| 13:48.32 | chem|st | M$ just confirmed |
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| 13:50.47 | chem|st | ah ok I am late again... |
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| 13:56.10 | chem|st | another guy using the "report this" button on tmo to send a msg to someone^^ |
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| 13:57.54 | GAN900 | Ban! |
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| 14:11.49 | Lantizia | Lo, anyone got an extended battery for their n900? i've only seen the mugen one so far - looks fugly |
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| 14:20.50 | flux | lantizia, sure, I have mugen. lets me charge the device only at nights. |
| 14:21.12 | flux | functionality over aesthetics. |
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| 14:22.11 | OkropNick | I have Choiix Power Bank, it's good, no need to be cnnected all the time |
| 14:26.39 | Lantizia | flux, the photos of the mugen on their site show some kind of switch on the back - but the video doesn;t... what does yours have? |
| 14:27.08 | flux | lantizia, I have the switch |
| 14:27.17 | flux | lantizia, the first version lacked a switch for opening the camera |
| 14:27.25 | flux | and the device thought the lens was always open |
| 14:27.28 | flux | that was bad. |
| 14:27.46 | flux | it also thought that the battery door was always open, so mmc didn't work either. |
| 14:27.58 | edheldil | SpeedEvil: another and rather more depressing possibility is that they bought Skype to get more patents to bash their competition with |
| 14:28.01 | flux | but they sent two new backdoors to everybody who has ordered the first version. |
| 14:28.10 | flux | (new = with the switch) |
| 14:29.04 | edheldil | are you buying backdoors and trojans??? :) |
| 14:29.11 | edheldil | ~mugen |
| 14:29.56 | flux | hah |
| 14:30.11 | ShadowJK | mugen = 2400 mAh battery |
| 14:31.18 | flux | it's an annoying trend that recent nokia phones have integrated the battery inside |
| 14:31.20 | cehteh | oh ... good bye skype ... |
| 14:31.24 | flux | no more room for bigger batteries |
| 14:31.43 | flux | well, unless you glue them to the back side or something |
| 14:31.48 | cehteh | time to setup my own sip server |
| 14:32.28 | Lantizia | my sip server (asterisk) has a skype trunk (made between skype and digium) i expect MS will ditch that product |
| 14:32.52 | Lantizia | not to mention the linux skype client and skype on any phone other than windows phone |
| 14:33.29 | flux | do current voip-solutions work without issues through typical nat-gateways or firewalls? (assuming the server has no routing issues) |
| 14:34.17 | cehteh | flux: there are a lot well known tricks to penetrate firewalls for voip |
| 14:34.33 | flux | cehteh, tricks that you need to set up on your systems etc.. |
| 14:34.45 | cehteh | nope |
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| 14:34.59 | flux | my trick would be to use openvpn. |
| 14:35.07 | cehteh | but its certainly easier when your firewall is voip aware |
| 14:40.30 | chem|st | flux: so you vpn to all your friends for voip... that's the best idea ever! |
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| 14:41.28 | flux | chem|st, obviously it works only for giving a connection for myself for my voip server |
| 14:41.58 | flux | others can find their own solutions for connecting to its internet-facing interface :) |
| 14:42.26 | chem|st | flux: my current setup at home works for setup firewall and without, my phone got no firewall setup but my SIP-phone has, also my laptop got no special setup in the firewall but my desktop has, everything is working fine |
| 14:42.53 | chem|st | on all 4 devices |
| 14:44.34 | chem|st | the only thing is that my router is aware of voip packages and gives them a higher priority you can torrent something at full bandwidth in both directions and still - calls go through |
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| 14:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | just check your NAT for http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-nat-udp http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5382 |
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| 14:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | traffic shaping / ToS-management of course is a nice-to-have on routers |
| 15:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | however note there's just so much you can do via tricky management, to avoid congestion on downstream |
| 15:02.19 | chem|st | in my case must have... SIPvoip is my primary landline |
| 15:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | been mine for years as well, with twinkle :-D |
| 15:03.12 | chem|st | bought a gigasetIP someday but yes used twinkle first |
| 15:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | so you know my work then :-D |
| 15:03.34 | dangergrrl | sip is my alternate cell line |
| 15:03.38 | dangergrrl | :) |
| 15:03.50 | chem|st | +1 |
| 15:04.40 | dangergrrl | i have a plan with tmobile for 'unlimited' data but with rate clamping after 5gb and only 500 voice minutes a month |
| 15:04.41 | chem|st | the actual clue with n900 is that my home number rings in where ever I get wifi... |
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| 15:05.07 | dangergrrl | the sip and skype integration is nice |
| 15:05.14 | chem|st | 300MB and 100minutes^^ |
| 15:06.44 | chem|st | skype just died lately, phone went lesser responsive and before I recognized the battery was drained while idle on my desk |
| 15:08.35 | chem|st | think telepathy was shoot by skype so the whole phone was going mad |
| 15:08.42 | chem|st | shot... |
| 15:15.04 | dangergrrl | last time i tried skype it failed for hours |
| 15:15.12 | dangergrrl | should have switched to wifi |
| 15:15.21 | dangergrrl | i get crap 3G signal at home |
| 15:15.37 | dangergrrl | pandora streams all over central texas and drops at home |
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| 15:33.03 | sivang | hi all |
| 15:33.16 | sivang | has anyone managed to use N8 with joikuspot as a WiFi router? |
| 15:33.24 | Damnshock | n8? |
| 15:33.25 | sivang | it seems the poor arm11 is not up to the task |
| 15:33.28 | sivang | N8 |
| 15:33.41 | sivang | I know this is offtopic, but where else would I ask? :) |
| 15:33.57 | sivang | hmm, Mohammad is not here today |
| 15:34.19 | Damnshock | nokia support maybe? |
| 15:34.25 | Damnshock | is there any symbian channel? |
| 15:34.49 | sivang | nokia support are mostly clueless |
| 15:34.53 | sivang | I'll try |
| 15:35.00 | visz | i tried the free version of joikuspot with my e7 |
| 15:35.07 | sivang | visz: and? |
| 15:35.19 | visz | it allowed http to ovi store and icmp ping |
| 15:35.49 | sivang | visz: I'm trying to figure if Orange in Israel who are undoubtfuly a bad bad carrier or the device itself. |
| 15:35.55 | visz | can't really say anything else about it =D |
| 15:36.00 | sivang | visz: hmm |
| 15:36.16 | sivang | visz: I see, were you able to download a meego image using it, pinetrail for example? |
| 15:36.29 | visz | oh, you misunderstand |
| 15:36.33 | visz | it was crippled |
| 15:36.38 | visz | crippleware |
| 15:36.38 | sivang | ah |
| 15:36.44 | sivang | I bought the 10EU version |
| 15:36.59 | sivang | and it still seems like something is crippling it |
| 15:37.02 | sivang | premium |
| 15:37.04 | visz | i'm pondering if it's worth it |
| 15:37.23 | sivang | not on any other device than N900 |
| 15:37.42 | sivang | the N900 allows speedier net access with Joiku than my home ADSL |
| 15:37.46 | sivang | IMHO |
| 15:38.08 | sivang | but it may be due to the fact that Israeli operators are third world in quality |
| 15:38.22 | sivang | I can't access twitter even |
| 15:38.23 | visz | n900 has free hotspot app though |
| 15:38.29 | sivang | it does? |
| 15:38.37 | sivang | probably did not exist when I got it |
| 15:38.40 | visz | http://www.nokian900applications.com/mobile-hotspot-for-nokia-n900/ |
| 15:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | yoghurt sport is useless for N900. There are free better designed alternatives for all I know |
| 15:39.12 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I don't care, I bought Joiku there as well and was amazed with the performance |
| 15:39.21 | sivang | I am a great follower of Joiku |
| 15:39.51 | sivang | so time to reflash, put the N900 back to operative state and walk around with a proper phone tablet. |
| 15:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, for linux yoghurt is crap. Eats battery like mad, as they had obviously no clue about linux OS basics |
| 15:40.18 | sivang | I do believe the weak arm11's are the issue here as I experienced it both with E7 and N8 |
| 15:40.32 | ruskie | hehe |
| 15:40.37 | ruskie | actually shoddy coding is more likely |
| 15:40.46 | ruskie | like with most apps now-a-days sadly |
| 15:40.58 | sivang | I will reapeat - N900 is the single best phone Nokia has ever released. |
| 15:41.13 | sivang | for the busy professional on the go :) |
| 15:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | it's like porting a windows bash emulation to run on linux under wine |
| 15:41.18 | sivang | ruskie: :) |
| 15:41.31 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: taking Joiku to S3 you mean? |
| 15:41.33 | chem|st | bows down and cries "I'm not worthy!" |
| 15:41.43 | sivang | chem|st: :) |
| 15:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | taking joiku to maemo |
| 15:41.58 | sivang | hmm |
| 15:42.02 | sivang | but only there is does perform |
| 15:42.13 | chem|st | best idea ever! just like going M$ |
| 15:42.15 | sivang | it started with Symbian I take it then? |
| 15:42.26 | chem|st | or buy an iphone... |
| 15:42.29 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: if I deduce right from you last sentence |
| 15:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | afaik yes |
| 15:42.52 | sivang | so it starts forwarding and then stops |
| 15:42.59 | sivang | and the gauges drop to 0 |
| 15:43.09 | sivang | joikuspot on S3, that is premium |
| 15:43.16 | sivang | E7/N8 |
| 15:44.35 | sivang | okay guys |
| 15:44.38 | sivang | sorry for the bashing |
| 15:44.49 | sivang | it is my DAMN I WISH IT BANKRUPTED already operator |
| 15:44.50 | chem|st | if you know how to connect to wifi and cell at the same time I would make up some routing |
| 15:45.14 | sivang | Orange Israel, don't leave home with it. |
| 15:45.31 | sivang | thet block twitter and facebook |
| 15:45.35 | sivang | and do terrible QoS |
| 15:45.36 | chem|st | oranjes... |
| 15:45.38 | sivang | !! |
| 15:45.52 | sivang | I am able to download the meego pinetrail image at 220kbs |
| 15:45.57 | sivang | kB/s |
| 15:45.59 | chem|st | ehrm thats not the provider that is israel... |
| 15:46.06 | sivang | chem|st: true, true |
| 15:46.18 | sivang | coverage is probably poor for 3G |
| 15:46.35 | sivang | but people with Pelephone subscription showed me blazing fast HD video in real time on their iPhone |
| 15:46.58 | sivang | or perhaps the N900 antenna is stronger |
| 15:47.04 | chem|st | at home I can drain my device flat within hours just by logging in to the 3G network base... no need to even start an internet connection... |
| 15:47.08 | sivang | because N900 did not have a problem to operate indoors |
| 15:47.28 | sivang | chem|st: did they tell you N8 is not supported by them? |
| 15:47.40 | chem|st | no |
| 15:48.03 | sivang | they told me that because my N8 was sent to be by Nokia from out of the country, they can't help me with network access |
| 15:48.09 | sivang | now how does that sound?> |
| 15:48.17 | chem|st | what support should a provider give to any phone but iphone-visual-combox or blackberry servers |
| 15:48.26 | sivang | haha |
| 15:48.32 | sivang | chem|st: you sarcastic right? |
| 15:48.36 | chem|st | no |
| 15:48.48 | chem|st | there is nothing to support |
| 15:48.57 | sivang | may I ask what's your business in this channel? |
| 15:49.04 | ruskie | don't really need any support from the provider other than giving me access and making sure things run... |
| 15:49.07 | chem|st | either your phone can or cannot do UMTS on that band |
| 15:49.24 | sivang | chem|st: UMTS == dual? |
| 15:49.37 | sivang | can't you just put it in 3G fixed |
| 15:49.38 | sivang | ? |
| 15:49.45 | chem|st | no dual means drop back to gsm if umts is not available |
| 15:49.57 | sivang | umts == 3G? |
| 15:49.59 | chem|st | 3G in this case then |
| 15:50.16 | sivang | umts is like HSPDA ? |
| 15:50.19 | sivang | brr I',m confused |
| 15:50.23 | sivang | they managed to confuse me |
| 15:50.33 | sivang | they told me to never put myh device to other setting than 3G |
| 15:50.44 | ruskie | 3g - collection of technologies that your phone uses to do stuff with |
| 15:50.46 | sivang | perhaps there lays the issue ? |
| 15:51.00 | ruskie | iirc hspda, umts etc... are part of it |
| 15:51.00 | chem|st | ehrm my business... nothing but helping people either by answeres or suggestions... |
| 15:51.14 | chem|st | I'm a mod from tmo though |
| 15:51.31 | sivang | ruskie: okay, so when I deprive my phone off UMTS, it willnever be able to give me 2.8mbps throughput ? |
| 15:51.42 | sivang | chem|st: oh, pleased to meet you! |
| 15:51.50 | sivang | chem|st: and you live in the same swamp I do? :) |
| 15:52.00 | chem|st | then do it... turn it to 3G only... |
| 15:52.09 | sivang | does not work |
| 15:52.31 | sivang | I have to put it to 'Dual' to be abe to have any net acces at all at times |
| 15:52.36 | chem|st | what does not work? the phone doesnt go to that state or the net doesnt work? |
| 15:52.38 | sivang | it is now on Dual |
| 15:52.52 | sivang | !netaccess |
| 15:52.56 | chem|st | try with gsm |
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| 15:53.04 | sivang | this works all the time |
| 15:53.20 | sivang | but slower than RemoteAccess used to come up on my 2400kbps modem 15 years ag |
| 15:53.21 | sivang | ago |
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| 15:53.27 | chem|st | and they told you to go 100% alltime ever 3G... nice |
| 15:53.50 | sivang | chem|st: yes, while I have been able to achieve the best speeds only when usin Dual |
| 15:53.53 | sivang | does this make sense? |
| 15:54.10 | chem|st | the login credentials are usualy the same as for gsm/edge-gprs |
| 15:54.56 | chem|st | no that makes no sense as 3G is another network you login to |
| 15:55.04 | sivang | why do we care about the login credentials? |
| 15:55.05 | sivang | uinterent and that's it no? |
| 15:55.05 | sivang | amazing |
| 15:55.11 | sivang | sitting at the topmost point of the building, windows open |
| 15:55.13 | chem|st | are you able to cell-call with 3G set |
| 15:55.32 | sivang | Dual mode. and the download never drops below 220kB/s |
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| 15:55.38 | sivang | chem|st: lost of hangsups and hickups, but yes |
| 15:56.18 | chem|st | ok 220kB is about edge isn't it? 320kB/s.... hang on I check that |
| 15:56.20 | sivang | chem|st: thank you for your help btw, I'm pretty much clueless about the MA layer in GSM |
| 15:56.23 | sivang | chem|st: need to get that book and read about it |
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| 15:57.36 | sivang | http://www.amazon.com/GSM-Evolution-Towards-Generation-Systems/dp/0792383516 |
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| 15:58.54 | chem|st | 270kBaud.... so no that would be about 33kB/s |
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| 15:59.34 | chem|st | possible are 100kB/s |
| 16:00.16 | chem|st | but they use only 100-200kb/s |
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| 16:00.37 | ShadowJK | It'd show "2.5" if you're on edge |
| 16:00.55 | sivang | it shows 3.5 |
| 16:00.58 | chem|st | sivang: the 220 is bit not Byte |
| 16:01.01 | chem|st | ? |
| 16:01.09 | ShadowJK | edge max speed is about 220 kbit/s |
| 16:01.16 | ShadowJK | Well.. common |
| 16:01.21 | ShadowJK | 3.5g is hsdpa :) |
| 16:01.22 | chem|st | 3.5 is hdspa |
| 16:01.27 | sivang | k, great |
| 16:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | hspa |
| 16:01.36 | chem|st | yeah skip the d |
| 16:01.38 | sivang | I go from 1.1mbps to 2.5mbps now |
| 16:01.47 | ShadowJK | or hspa, if the operator supports hsupa :P |
| 16:01.50 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 16:02.31 | sivang | orange's proxy is blocking twitter |
| 16:02.41 | sivang | when accessing the non m. host |
| 16:02.43 | chem|st | nothing to worry I guess, the drops are because of the weak network |
| 16:02.46 | sivang | ! |
| 16:03.18 | sivang | chem|st: yes, but it only wnet back to working after I put it in DUal |
| 16:03.34 | sivang | are they allowed to do that? |
| 16:03.37 | chem|st | lol they are nice to you... gov requested blocking of all www.twitter and they just did that |
| 16:03.37 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sometimes I wonder if joikuspot maemo was designed with that kernel module specifically to avoid having to replace the device kernel :-) |
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| 16:04.01 | sivang | chem|st: you live here as well? :) |
| 16:04.28 | sivang | chem|st: did gove asked they do this for facebook? |
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| 16:06.47 | chem|st | don't know but many countries around try to restrict the internet and as israel is doing a good job in doing everything like germany 70 years ago I guess they like the vessel! |
| 16:07.30 | chem|st | but I stop here as this is no place for politics |
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| 16:07.57 | chem|st | at least non of that kind.... |
| 16:08.11 | chem|st | I am off then, good night! |
| 16:09.51 | sivang | chem|st: night |
| 16:09.53 | sivang | chem|st: thanks for your help |
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| 16:33.14 | GAN900 | RST38h, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2015009181_rapturepet10.html |
| 16:33.42 | GAN900 | chem|st, and amazingly people keep voting for more government! |
| 16:35.35 | wmarone__ | follows Google's spew |
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| 16:37.06 | RST38h | GAN: What a resourceful guy! |
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| 16:38.35 | RST38h | "They have to love animals, of course, but just as important is that they don't love Jesus." |
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| 16:48.42 | unixSnob | i'm looking for a service like google voice click-to-call.. is there anything comparable? |
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| 17:01.34 | sivang | so microsoft has acquired skype? |
| 17:01.51 | sivang | time to move to open standard VoIP through sipgate |
| 17:02.08 | sivang | as probably the Maemo client and symbian client will now dissolve |
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| 17:03.09 | MohammadAG | has? |
| 17:03.35 | sivang | old news? |
| 17:03.51 | andre__ | I don't see how Skype gets worse by moving its ownership from a weird company to another one. |
| 17:07.56 | Damnshock | sivang: the time to move to an open standard was long ago |
| 17:07.57 | GAN900 | More actively hostile ownership? |
| 17:08.00 | Damnshock | that is, from the begining |
| 17:08.16 | RST38h | Skype is a weird company by itself |
| 17:08.18 | Damnshock | we should have never, ever, used skype |
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| 17:08.39 | Damnshock | from a sysadmin point of view is a terrible pain in the youknowwhat |
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| 17:13.45 | jacekowski | Damnshock: open standard like what? |
| 17:13.53 | jacekowski | Damnshock: is there any other voip standard that works |
| 17:13.56 | Damnshock | jacekowski: jingle for example |
| 17:14.04 | Damnshock | voip standard that works? |
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| 17:14.06 | Damnshock | sip |
| 17:14.06 | jacekowski | Damnshock: and has no need for centralised infrastructire |
| 17:14.17 | Damnshock | jacekowski: jingle |
| 17:14.22 | jacekowski | sip doesn't work |
| 17:14.34 | Damnshock | over xmpp |
| 17:14.41 | jacekowski | maybe |
| 17:15.07 | jacekowski | but there are 2 incompatible versions of jingle |
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| 17:18.42 | Damnshock | jacekowski: that's not exactlly true |
| 17:18.56 | jacekowski | it is |
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| 17:51.58 | obcecado | hi |
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| 18:17.17 | luke-jr | jacekowski: there are 2 incompatible Jingles, but both can be supported by the same client |
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| 18:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | eh? since when does SIP need a centralized infra? |
| 18:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | one of the giant misconceptions about SIP |
| 18:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | actually nowadays most SIP UAs have lost their general abilities and are tailored to work for the basically rather niche case of a central SIP provider |
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| 18:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | with a proper ful featured SIP client you can do direct IP-to-IP SIP |
| 18:30.40 | jacekowski | which doesn't work as reliably as skype |
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| 18:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | and i'm frequently lame of laughing when I witness dudes installing asterisk on their phone/PC/whatever just to implement teir 2 trunks network |
| 18:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | even just for accessing their 'regular' commercail sip provider via softphone ;-P |
| 18:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | like asterisk-N900 - MUHAHAHA |
| 18:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: s/work/suck/ |
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| 18:46.58 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: ip2ip sip was a non-starter as it was _designed_ to break on NAT |
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| 18:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: sure, my NAT/router/FW is designed to break services like SIP - unless of course I bother to config it correctly |
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| 18:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | while skype is designed to cheat and sneak behind the usual average NAT/FW admin - but believe me nowadays even skype got no chance anymore |
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| 18:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | there are well documented (while still horribly annoying) ways to make skype fail if your LAN policy is to forbid skype |
| 18:51.48 | dm8tbr | now that it's MS they'll just integrate it with OCS and break it along the way |
| 18:52.33 | dm8tbr | yeah I remember there was at some point a quite straight forward way by blocking just a few destination ports |
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| 18:52.55 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, SIP is dead easy to break sadly |
| 18:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | to *break*? |
| 18:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | brake like what? |
| 18:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | make it fail? sure |
| 18:53.32 | ruskie | well that for me is break |
| 18:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | tap it? not with ZRTP |
| 18:53.45 | ruskie | as in not working |
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| 18:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | use a cracked account? hardly |
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| 18:54.07 | dm8tbr | sure block port 5060 udp and bang most clients fail |
| 18:54.29 | ruskie | hell the rtp mess is enough to fail it all... |
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| 18:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | wwhat's mess in RTP? |
| 18:55.18 | dm8tbr | breaks easily on NAT, see SIP in general |
| 18:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | RTP is unrelated to NAT |
| 18:55.53 | ruskie | fails to work with it in any remote way |
| 18:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | BS that's SIP if anything |
| 18:56.20 | Tsuyo | Hey, is there a way to format a sd-card without the filemanager? My card gets mounted, but i don't see it in the manager. Maybe it's in a raw format or something. Can i format it to fat16 somewhere else? |
| 18:56.39 | ruskie | I can generally get a SIP connection... but getting voice flowing... haven't yet succeded without a lot of extra effort... |
| 18:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | you never get a SIP connection, it's actually just a few messages like 100 INVITE, 200 OK |
| 18:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | one of those defines a RTP stream going from UDP IP to UDP IP:port |
| 18:58.26 | Venemo | yo DocScrutinizer |
| 18:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | the last part is what spoils things on NAT, if not dealt with it in a proper way |
| 18:59.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's what STUN/ICE and hosted nat traversal are for |
| 18:59.14 | ruskie | no that's what ipv6 is for |
| 18:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | as well, sure |
| 18:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | you might have missed that, there's now even TCP SIP |
| 18:59.57 | ruskie | nope haven't missed that |
| 19:00.36 | ruskie | so far only managed to get SIP working reliably with the work provider on the N95... |
| 19:00.51 | ruskie | VoIP that is... |
| 19:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | Tsuyo: you might have a wrong format on it |
| 19:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | Tsuyo: there is partitions and superfloppy format |
| 19:01.24 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what window manager does shr use? |
| 19:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | and then of course NTFS |
| 19:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 19:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | matchbox? |
| 19:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 19:02.00 | Venemo | ~nfc |
| 19:02.00 | infobot | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue |
| 19:02.03 | Venemo | ah |
| 19:02.06 | Venemo | okay :) |
| 19:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | wait, window manager, err... still nfc |
| 19:02.39 | Tsuyo | DocScrutinizer: Hrm. Any Ideas to format it? If i connect the phone to my pc, i see two disks, but i can only use the N900 one. |
| 19:02.52 | Tsuyo | I don't have a microSD reader, so i cannot do it on my pc. |
| 19:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 19:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | can you access the card on N900 directly? |
| 19:04.17 | Tsuyo | Don't know, i don't see it in guis, i just see that it's mounted somewhere |
| 19:04.18 | nox- | btw whats the correct way to umount an usd before taking it out? last time i had to reboot the device for it to mount it again after putting it back... |
| 19:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 19:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | usually gets umounted on opening back cover |
| 19:06.07 | Tsuyo | It's closed ;) |
| 19:06.32 | DocScrutinizer | Tsuyo: you could try (c|s)fdisk to partition the raw device, then run mkfs.fat32 on it |
| 19:06.53 | nox- | well i saw io errors in dmesg and it didnt mount it again until i rebooted |
| 19:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: possible |
| 19:07.14 | nox- | :) |
| 19:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | shouldn't but possible |
| 19:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | esp when no standard partioning and fs |
| 19:08.36 | nox- | it was the same fatfs it came with |
| 19:08.44 | Tsuyo | Installing OpenSSH and MadDeveloper right now. Installed my OS a few hours ago. |
| 19:08.52 | Tsuyo | Could take a while :p |
| 19:08.55 | nox- | i only copied a 4 GB file onto if using a cardreader |
| 19:09.01 | nox- | onto it even |
| 19:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | HAHA, and you forgot to sync |
| 19:09.35 | nox- | no :) |
| 19:09.40 | nox- | on the pc i umounted |
| 19:09.45 | nox- | of course :) |
| 19:09.55 | nox- | actually i think i used mtools... |
| 19:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | and waited the 10min until sync finished? |
| 19:10.09 | nox- | this wasnt linux :) |
| 19:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | even worse |
| 19:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | btw 4GB in vfat?? |
| 19:10.53 | nox- | well little less i suppose... |
| 19:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | I guess 2GB is max |
| 19:11.12 | nox- | on n900? |
| 19:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | on vfat |
| 19:11.38 | nox- | no, afaik the signdness bug was fixed in linux some time ago |
| 19:12.57 | nox- | the file got mounted ok too after the reboot |
| 19:13.16 | nox- | (its a squashfx for that mapping tool i forgot the name of) |
| 19:13.34 | nox- | squashfs even |
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| 19:17.03 | Tsuyo | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card that helped, thank you :) |
| 19:20.41 | Tsuyo | DocScrutinizer: Ah well, i understand the problem i think. The external card is "/dev/mmcblk1" wich doesnt exist on my phone : / |
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| 19:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | should exist if your uSD card got detected |
| 19:22.07 | Tsuyo | if i insert an other card, it works. Weird. I thought that one was broken Oo |
| 19:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | also there should be a mmcblk1p1 |
| 19:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | if there's not then mmcblk1 has no partitions so is superfloppy formatted |
| 19:23.49 | Tsuyo | There is now. ^^ |
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| 19:25.34 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, we need a patch for the open source camera UI to detect locale for rangefinder units. |
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| 19:58.34 | _nicolai_ | MohammadAG, someone hacked your gmail account? |
| 19:59.16 | SpeedEvil | noticred that too. |
| 19:59.39 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe it's just funds to support CSSU. |
| 20:02.20 | Venemo | what? |
| 20:02.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG has taken up viagra-spamming maemo-dev mailing list. |
| 20:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: fscking inperial!! |
| 20:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 20:03.27 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, aah |
| 20:04.09 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, maybe he discovered that viagra can improve your maemo development abilities? |
| 20:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 20:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | I guess he used his gmail account at Sony |
| 20:04.53 | nox- | SpeedEvil, how do you know its really him and not just a faked From: ? |
| 20:05.16 | SpeedEvil | Naah - all email addresses are genuine. |
| 20:05.46 | SpeedEvil | remembers when he got up to 6% of his ISPs inbound mail queue due to fraud bounces. |
| 20:06.04 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, what? |
| 20:06.04 | MohammadAG | oh... crap |
| 20:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:06.28 | Venemo | MohammadAG, so, can viagra improve your maemo development abilities? |
| 20:06.28 | nox- | MohammadAG, not a faked From? |
| 20:06.42 | SpeedEvil | I used to - shortly after 'green-card' - post to usenet with a unique per-message email ID. Soi I could track how many spams I got per group, and average time to spam. |
| 20:06.54 | SpeedEvil | This lead over time to maybe 15000 email addresses. |
| 20:07.14 | SpeedEvil | And someone sent out a few hundred emails with each one as the source ID. |
| 20:07.24 | nox- | haha |
| 20:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 20:07.47 | nox- | sometimes gets backscatter with nonexisting usernames... |
| 20:07.59 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, but same password |
| 20:08.02 | SpeedEvil | I couldn't ditch the incoming emails over smtp fast enough for them to not accumulate. |
| 20:08.10 | SpeedEvil | Even after writing a custom 'MTA' |
| 20:08.13 | MohammadAG | explains the youtube detetcted suspicous activity on your account |
| 20:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA |
| 20:08.27 | nox- | oh dear.... |
| 20:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
| 20:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | you should report this incident to... err cert? |
| 20:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | sony? |
| 20:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | CNN? |
| 20:09.21 | nox- | haha |
| 20:10.12 | trx | cern :) |
| 20:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | nuke it with black holes! |
| 20:10.23 | trx | :P |
| 20:10.31 | nox- | *g* |
| 20:11.08 | xnt14 | MohammadAG, your gmail account was hacked? |
| 20:11.39 | nox- | well if used the same pw as with sony and didnt chage it... |
| 20:11.40 | xnt14 | scrolls up... Oh. |
| 20:11.48 | xnt14 | Hmm... |
| 20:12.20 | xnt14 | I'm glad I didn't buy anything off of PSN... |
| 20:12.34 | xnt14 | Yay for different passwords everywhere. |
| 20:12.38 | nox- | indeed |
| 20:12.44 | xnt14 | Now if only MohammadAG would wake up.. I needed to ask him something. |
| 20:13.49 | SpeedEvil | xnt14: He can't. He's off to the emergency room after suffering an erection lasting over 4 hours. |
| 20:13.52 | nox- | change even |
| 20:14.08 | xnt14 | SpeedEvil, hahaha... LOL |
| 20:14.13 | nox- | hah |
| 20:14.27 | xnt14 | Typical MohammadAG. :] |
| 20:14.29 | xnt14 | xD |
| 20:15.03 | xnt14 | Although, I'm not sure why I used that emote in here.. it's an inside joke. |
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| 20:19.08 | MohammadAG | ah fuck |
| 20:19.21 | MohammadAG | the number of accounts tied to that address is.... |
| 20:19.32 | MohammadAG | I lost count after 50 |
| 20:20.36 | xnt14 | pokes MohammadAG and points to a channel. |
| 20:21.12 | xnt14 | I think he's not responding due to lag. -_- |
| 20:21.37 | xnt14 | damn freenode. |
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| 20:31.25 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, did anyone reply to the message? |
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| 21:04.17 | piggz | MohammadAG: out of curiosity, for your fb client, do u use kqoauth and qjson? |
| 21:05.29 | SpeedEvil | ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////y |
| 21:06.50 | MohammadAG | piggz, qjson |
| 21:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ??????? |
| 21:07.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, give him a break, at least he's not posting viagra links |
| 21:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:07.55 | MohammadAG | I wonder how many @nokia.com addresses got those links |
| 21:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | does it matter? |
| 21:08.31 | MohammadAG | I should sent an apology email |
| 21:08.31 | MohammadAG | "Sorry, I had a PSN account" |
| 21:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | "sorry, this was fake viagra" |
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| 21:09.03 | MohammadAG | yes, I'm not getting money for affiliating them |
| 21:09.09 | MohammadAG | xP |
| 21:09.14 | piggz_ | damn connection... |
| 21:09.27 | piggz_ | MohammadAG: ah, how do you do the oauth part? manually? |
| 21:09.36 | MohammadAG | webkit piggz_ |
| 21:09.57 | MohammadAG | QWebKit, I monitor redirection URLs and close it when I get the token |
| 21:10.06 | MohammadAG | the login window is actually a stacked window |
| 21:10.16 | MohammadAG | gives a neat animation trick |
| 21:10.34 | piggz_ | yeah, i saw a smimlar concept in the qml oauth example |
| 21:10.35 | MohammadAG | closing the stacked window closes the whole app if the user hasn't logged in |
| 21:11.04 | MohammadAG | I hate QML :p |
| 21:11.04 | piggz_ | but, in the ned i decided to use kqoauth in my app...seems to work well |
| 21:11.13 | MohammadAG | "hate" is a strong word though |
| 21:11.30 | MohammadAG | but my whole mediaplayer doesn't use as much memory as a simple qml app |
| 21:11.34 | piggz_ | MohammadAG: that must be why you dont use kasvopus....im still undecided between the two :P |
| 21:11.48 | MohammadAG | piggz_, no, I use qml apps |
| 21:11.54 | MohammadAG | I just hate writing them |
| 21:12.02 | MohammadAG | too much ram and cpu usage |
| 21:12.03 | DocScrutinizer | I hate facebook, google, sony, apple iPhone |
| 21:12.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lemme get you a facebook account |
| 21:12.20 | MohammadAG | runs |
| 21:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | and of course pukeaudio |
| 21:12.37 | piggz_ | DocScrutinizer: you wont want be using my latitude updater widget then :P |
| 21:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | and lennart |
| 21:13.05 | MohammadAG | piggz_, I liked kasvopus btw |
| 21:13.10 | MohammadAG | development was slow though |
| 21:13.16 | piggz_ | yeah |
| 21:13.17 | MohammadAG | very slow |
| 21:13.27 | piggz_ | i _love_ twimgo |
| 21:13.29 | MohammadAG | in 3 days I made a release |
| 21:14.08 | MohammadAG | I also added checkin support, afaik only iPhone and android fb clients do that |
| 21:14.21 | piggz_ | yeah, that is cool, i need to update to try it out |
| 21:14.32 | MohammadAG | and I focuses on functionality rather than looks |
| 21:14.45 | MohammadAG | though i added animations in the latest version |
| 21:14.51 | MohammadAG | focused* |
| 21:15.10 | piggz_ | does it have a menu ivon yet? |
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| 21:15.14 | MohammadAG | I'll add a photo upload w/ tag support soon |
| 21:15.28 | piggz_ | s/icon |
| 21:15.28 | MohammadAG | piggz_, it always did, the first version didn't install it right |
| 21:15.37 | MohammadAG | and I don't test my deb packages |
| 21:15.48 | MohammadAG | I trust that I always get them right |
| 21:15.51 | piggz_ | yeah, i just uploaded my widget without testing it :) |
| 21:15.52 | MohammadAG | (which I don't :p) |
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| 21:18.44 | BCMM_ | is it possible to use the AV port as a line-in? |
| 21:18.48 | BCMM_ | (on an n900) |
| 21:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: alas not (stupid EE) |
| 21:19.17 | BCMM_ | electronic engineers? |
| 21:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: your best bet is h-e-n and a audio card USB dongle |
| 21:20.35 | SpeedEvil | /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// |
| 21:20.35 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: heh, not as bothered as that about it |
| 21:20.37 | SpeedEvil | Argh |
| 21:20.44 | vldcnst | to the right? |
| 21:20.47 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - was replacing keyboard motherboard |
| 21:20.50 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: i mean, that sounds harder than moving the amp nearer to a computer |
| 21:21.02 | BCMM_ | whereas some CLI magic would've been easier |
| 21:21.05 | BCMM_ | thanks anyway |
| 21:21.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you can't |
| 21:21.46 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 21:21.52 | MohammadAG | not even if you fake a fourth pin? |
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| 21:22.15 | BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: you might be an IRC addict if you can't log off for that :) |
| 21:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just pissed as it would've taken sth like 4 components and 2ct on BOM, to make that work |
| 21:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: line in is stereo |
| 21:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | n900 hw can't do |
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| 21:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | any stereo line-in pins on codec are unused |
| 21:26.20 | SpeedEvil | bv |
| 21:26.21 | SpeedEvil | c |
| 21:26.33 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I now have a working return! |
| 21:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | OM GTA02A8 should've been the first device I knew that was planned to offer line-in on headset receptacle |
| 21:26.40 | jacekowski | nothing a soldering iron can't fix |
| 21:26.55 | jacekowski | just bit of wire and solder couple pins together |
| 21:27.04 | jacekowski | unless audio codec is bga |
| 21:27.05 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - BCMM, it was the motherboard in my keyboard, not the motherboard of my computer. |
| 21:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it's bga |
| 21:27.18 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 21:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | never heard of anybody replacing his kbd's motherboard |
| 21:28.43 | SpeedEvil | It has three boards. |
| 21:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 21:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | old IBM? |
| 21:29.11 | SpeedEvil | Trackpoint, main board-matrix, trackpad |
| 21:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | ooh those critters |
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| 22:02.01 | GAN900 | Wow |
| 22:02.16 | GAN900 | My WoW account from 5 years ago was reactivated. |
| 22:02.46 | joga | why? lost job and wife? |
| 22:02.50 | GAN900 | Man, Sony. |
| 22:02.53 | GAN900 | What the hell |
| 22:03.01 | GAN900 | Account suspension for spamming |
| 22:03.11 | joga | oh, you didn't do it |
| 22:03.11 | joga | ? |
| 22:03.41 | GAN900 | No, it's from the PSN compromise. |
| 22:03.48 | joga | meh :/ |
| 22:03.53 | GAN900 | Apparently those accounts had the same password. |
| 22:04.42 | joga | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:05.02 | joga | (I don't really know how wow subscription works) |
| 22:05.12 | GAN900 | the cc number on that account is dead. |
| 22:05.29 | joga | how can they reactivate it? |
| 22:05.46 | GAN900 | Dunno |
| 22:05.50 | GAN900 | Free trial? |
| 22:05.59 | GAN900 | Use their own stolen cc? |
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| 22:17.55 | GAN900 | Gotta love children who think they're sticking it to the man. |
| 22:19.53 | GAN900 | Can't even get into the PSN to figure out what card I had on there. |
| 22:20.36 | jacekowski | i have card with low limit for that kind of stuff |
| 22:20.42 | SpeedEvil | Where are you again - I forgot - USA GAN900? |
| 22:21.31 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, how the shit do you forget that? :P |
| 22:21.36 | GAN900 | Yes, Florida, USA |
| 22:22.39 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: I thought you were in the USA, but wasn't sure if it was the netherlands instead for some reason. |
| 22:22.42 | SpeedEvil | Parity errors. |
| 22:23.17 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 22:23.38 | GAN900 | jacekowski, yeah, I'm not entirely certain what card is on the PSN account |
| 22:23.40 | SpeedEvil | I've come to appreciate the data protection act and friends in the UK. |
| 22:23.46 | GAN900 | and I can't find out from Sony. |
| 22:23.51 | SpeedEvil | I've been annoying various governmental departments with it. |
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| 22:24.20 | SpeedEvil | For example, queries to the meterological office about costs of its data products to charities and other non-profits. |
| 22:24.51 | GAN900 | Non-profits, most of which don't meet any reasonable definition of the term. |
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| 22:26.34 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 22:27.20 | MohammadAG | ffs gitorious is down |
| 22:27.32 | MohammadAG | or... not |
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| 22:29.44 | MohammadAG | nice, my x server's gone again |
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| 22:46.16 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: what do you do to your X server, that it goes hiding? :D |
| 22:52.12 | GAN900 | changes some passwords. |
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| 23:00.56 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, it read my email to maemo-dev apparently :P |
| 23:01.09 | merlin1991 | lmao |
| 23:01.26 | merlin1991 | btw what do you think caused it, virus or rather hacked account? |
| 23:01.54 | MohammadAG | where would a virus be lol |
| 23:02.00 | SpeedEvil | Was it a weak password? |
| 23:02.05 | MohammadAG | no |
| 23:02.16 | MohammadAG | nobody could guess it |
| 23:02.22 | MohammadAG | and it was my password for over 7 years |
| 23:02.36 | Sc0rpius | judging by the headers |
| 23:02.36 | nox- | not even bruteforce it? |
| 23:02.41 | MohammadAG | so this is related to Sony's crappy security on PSN |
| 23:02.47 | MohammadAG | I'm sure of it |
| 23:02.51 | nox- | or did sony store pw in cleartext? :P |
| 23:02.56 | SpeedEvil | You share passwords with PSN? |
| 23:03.17 | Sc0rpius | it looks like somebody logged in to your gmail account. I first thought it was mail spoofing, that's simple, but no, the headers say it was an authenticated google account |
| 23:03.20 | MohammadAG | nox-, I wouldn't be surprised if they did |
| 23:03.37 | zerojay | Sony didn't store their passwords in cleartext, they were all hashed. |
| 23:03.41 | MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, so someone accessed gmail.com? |
| 23:03.47 | nox- | maybe thats the reason for http://i.imgur.com/gyqHh.jpg |
| 23:03.49 | nox- | :) |
| 23:04.01 | nox- | zerojay, ah ok |
| 23:04.01 | Sc0rpius | from an IP 81.22.169.238 |
| 23:04.38 | MohammadAG | where's that located? |
| 23:04.41 | Sc0rpius | it seems so, and it was authenticated |
| 23:04.42 | nox- | zerojay, but the hash could be bruteforced if the pw was `waek enough' |
| 23:04.46 | nox- | weak even |
| 23:04.59 | Sc0rpius | there's a DKIM signature so it was an authenticated person |
| 23:05.09 | zerojay | nox-, I'm aware. |
| 23:05.15 | LinuxCode | MohammadAG, one of the Fedora Contributors laos had his gmail account hacked |
| 23:05.17 | LinuxCode | some time ago |
| 23:05.28 | LinuxCode | MohammadAG, and they sent emails via his account |
| 23:05.36 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure who'd hack my email though |
| 23:05.48 | LinuxCode | any automated system! |
| 23:05.58 | nox- | yeah |
| 23:06.09 | MohammadAG | LinuxCode, does he have a PS3? |
| 23:06.18 | LinuxCode | the amount of automated systems finding passwords, is hideous |
| 23:06.19 | LinuxCode | hmm |
| 23:06.36 | LinuxCode | this was a few months ago, so i doubt its PSN related |
| 23:06.42 | LinuxCode | but I can ask if ya want ? |
| 23:06.48 | LinuxCode | if hes around |
| 23:07.05 | MohammadAG | if he's on irc why not |
| 23:07.21 | MohammadAG | afaik the hacks on PSN started on March 1 |
| 23:07.34 | merlin1991 | btw MohammadAG, if you every start to study, don't decide todo your homework for hte next day AFTER the lan party |
| 23:07.37 | FIQ|n900 | apr 17-19 |
| 23:07.43 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:07.55 | MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, that's when they found out |
| 23:08.00 | MohammadAG | April 20 |
| 23:08.04 | zerojay | MohammadAG, That's when it happened. |
| 23:08.17 | LinuxCode | MohammadAG, hes not online atm |
| 23:08.21 | LinuxCode | bit late in the UK |
| 23:08.29 | MohammadAG | zerojay, yes, but the attacks started in March |
| 23:08.32 | FIQ|n900 | 00:08 |
| 23:08.50 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, what lan party? :P |
| 23:08.56 | MohammadAG | Wed May 11 02:08:55 IDT 2011 |
| 23:09.07 | FIQ|n900 | at UK, htat is |
| 23:09.08 | zerojay | Bzzzt. The stuff back then was people attempting to reverse the PSN protocols. Completely different thing. |
| 23:09.13 | FIQ|n900 | that* |
| 23:09.16 | FIQ|n900 | in* |
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| 23:09.33 | merlin1991 | well at home here and we started around 15:00 and everyone has stuff tomorrow |
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| 23:09.51 | FIQ|n900 | the attacks began on early march |
| 23:10.00 | FIQ|n900 | but there was nothing serious then |
| 23:10.02 | zerojay | They aren't the same thing. |
| 23:10.04 | zerojay | At all. |
| 23:10.08 | FIQ|n900 | just attacks |
| 23:10.10 | merlin1991 | true we should still be sitting here gaming like mad, but there's the fine line between stuff you should do / want todo compared to the stuff you actually do :D |
| 23:10.30 | zerojay | Those guys were sitting in #ps3dev reversing the SSL encryption on the PSN connection. It's how they claimed they found that CC data was being sent in plaintext. |
| 23:10.34 | zerojay | None of it was verified. |
| 23:10.41 | zerojay | All from about mid Feb. |
| 23:10.47 | LinuxCode | I bet since PSN is down, the world is a more prudctive and happier place |
| 23:10.58 | zerojay | Well, they did get Bin Laden. |
| 23:11.15 | MohammadAG | the IP is n Finland |
| 23:11.15 | LinuxCode | zerojay, lol |
| 23:11.17 | Sc0rpius | hahaha |
| 23:11.17 | FIQ|n900 | my little brother (who plays CoD all the time) isn't that happy atm :D |
| 23:11.32 | LinuxCode | FIQ|n900, tell him to get a g/f |
| 23:11.48 | LinuxCode | saying that.... he probably just get bitched at all the time |
| 23:11.52 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 23:11.53 | FIQ|n900 | he is 12 |
| 23:11.59 | LinuxCode | FIQ|n900, so ? |
| 23:12.02 | zerojay | Ditch the gf, save your money and use your hand. |
| 23:12.09 | LinuxCode | when i was younger I never was at home that age |
| 23:12.11 | zerojay | Only way he'll stay sane. lol |
| 23:12.18 | LinuxCode | zerojay, haha |
| 23:13.25 | merlin1991 | zerojay: I agree with the staying sane part |
| 23:14.01 | FIQ|n900 | worth to say is that he, allthough playing fair, wantz aimbotz haxx0rs |
| 23:14.16 | MohammadAG | I hate aimbots |
| 23:14.19 | merlin1991 | ouch |
| 23:14.33 | merlin1991 | ~lart aimbot / wh / whateverusers |
| 23:14.33 | infobot | slaps aimbot / wh / whateverusers upside the head with a wet fish |
| 23:14.33 | FIQ|n900 | He attempted to force me to fix it for him |
| 23:14.43 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, new version of sociality |
| 23:14.44 | FIQ|n900 | Well, I can just say that I didn't help him |
| 23:14.50 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:14.57 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: what's new? |
| 23:15.06 | MohammadAG | from -devel |
| 23:15.19 | merlin1991 | arf, I just ran the update from the nightly |
| 23:15.25 | merlin1991 | so -devel it is now? |
| 23:15.44 | MohammadAG | photo album and single photo viewing |
| 23:15.52 | MohammadAG | check photo albums, they're fun now |
| 23:16.05 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, I always upload to -devel |
| 23:16.32 | merlin1991 | hm conflicting distribution error on apt-get update |
| 23:17.28 | FIQ|n900 | i've got that for a long time now |
| 23:17.30 | merlin1991 | and ham shows an empty list for catalogs, wtf? |
| 23:17.32 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, blame psn |
| 23:18.05 | FIQ|n900 | uh |
| 23:18.46 | FIQ|n900 | protip: don't attempt to update your N900 packages through apt-get inside a SSH session to an Archlinux box |
| 23:18.46 | FIQ|n900 | is tired |
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| 23:19.47 | merlin1991 | http://pastebin.com/Cei7jyAK save to ignore? |
| 23:21.01 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 23:21.40 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I guess the dubious "facebook" app in my launcher is sociality? |
| 23:22.55 | FIQ|n900 | I like the solution to an "apt-get update" warning message |
| 23:22.57 | FIQ|n900 | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 23:23.07 | merlin1991 | yea |
| 23:23.14 | merlin1991 | ffs I just RAN apt-get update :D |
| 23:23.33 | FIQ|n900 | I actually ran aptitude update |
| 23:23.49 | FIQ|n900 | But i guess that it wouldn't help |
| 23:24.11 | FIQ|n900 | s/n't help/ help as little/ |
| 23:24.25 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: single photo view (with comments) in portrait has wrong width |
| 23:24.44 | merlin1991 | also, pic still blink in before animation starts |
| 23:24.52 | merlin1991 | s/pic/pics/ |
| 23:25.26 | merlin1991 | invalid with with album view in portrait too |
| 23:26.28 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, not in notifications they don't blink |
| 23:26.40 | merlin1991 | oh they do |
| 23:26.41 | MohammadAG | (which makes me wonder why they blink elsewhere) |
| 23:26.46 | merlin1991 | I open notifications |
| 23:26.48 | merlin1991 | see all pics |
| 23:26.50 | Kilroo | This is going to be entertaining. I wonder if I'll brick my n900 in the process of all these repartitioning shenanigans I'm planning to try tonight. |
| 23:26.52 | merlin1991 | then they go away |
| 23:26.54 | merlin1991 | and fly in |
| 23:27.17 | Kilroo | I believe I shall eat dinner first though so I don't end up realizing at 11pm that I'm starving... |
| 23:27.40 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, when you open notifications it refreshes them |
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| 23:27.53 | MohammadAG | when it refreshes them, it clears all items and adds them again |
| 23:28.14 | MohammadAG | you don't notice that for text, only for avatars :p |
| 23:28.16 | merlin1991 | whatever it does in the bg, what I see is "wrong" |
| 23:28.27 | FIQ|n900 | has managed to both repartition his N900 AND get out of space in / |
| 23:28.45 | FIQ|n900 | not the same time though |
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| 23:29.16 | FIQ|n900 | / just shrank over time until it finally emptied with free space |
| 23:29.25 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: you always manage to provide a portrait mode, but forget to set the width in portrait for stuff :D |
| 23:30.00 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, it works (tm) |
| 23:30.16 | merlin1991 | also noone going to comment on the apt-get warning I have besides "I have it too"? |
| 23:30.29 | MohammadAG | I don't have it too |
| 23:30.34 | MohammadAG | see what I did there? |
| 23:30.42 | MohammadAG | right, I didn't do anything |
| 23:30.54 | Kilroo | ...I thought / was the part you pretty much can't do anything about. |
| 23:31.29 | FIQ|n900 | It wasn't a part of my repartitioning |
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| 23:31.30 | merlin1991 | Kilroo: you can have a bigger / if you sed the image before flashing the device |
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| 23:32.17 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, no, bigger /home not / |
| 23:32.39 | merlin1991 | okay, I take it back, seems I messed up something here |
| 23:32.41 | Kilroo | merlin1991: I think I misspoke/misunderstood the reference. I thought for a moment the subject under discussion was the OneNAND or whatever the word for it is. |
| 23:32.47 | MohammadAG | we need a tmo client |
| 23:33.22 | merlin1991 | remembers that / is on a different flash than /user and bumps head into wall |
| 23:33.34 | merlin1991 | sry about spreading fud |
| 23:33.41 | Kilroo | IIRC the technical term for running low on space on the rootfs is "SOL." |
| 23:33.56 | merlin1991 | I even had a device where only the / flash worked and the other one was broken |
| 23:34.06 | merlin1991 | and still forgot about it :P |
| 23:34.24 | FIQ|n900 | my device survived! |
| 23:34.33 | FIQ|n900 | :D |
| 23:34.56 | Kilroo | One of these days I really ought to obtain either a usb host-mode cable or a bluetooth keyboard or something |
| 23:35.05 | merlin1991 | my first n900 had the non root flash cease working after I dropped it from about 1,5m |
| 23:35.11 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, /home, not /user |
| 23:35.22 | MohammadAG | <- filesystem nazi |
| 23:35.27 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I officially hate you now :P |
| 23:35.31 | FIQ|n900 | :p |
| 23:35.40 | FIQ|n900 | mis-interpreted that as /usr |
| 23:35.43 | merlin1991 | EVERYONE but the nazi knew what I ment :D |
| 23:35.46 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, let's celebrate! |
| 23:35.52 | FIQ|n900 | didn't realise that /user sat under / lol |
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| 23:35.59 | FIQ|n900 | s/user/usr/ |
| 23:36.23 | MohammadAG | everything sits under / |
| 23:36.25 | MohammadAG | <- filesystem nazi |
| 23:36.30 | MohammadAG | hides |
| 23:36.38 | merlin1991 | btw having a dead /home flash makes an interesting effect |
| 23:36.39 | BCMM_ | how can i go online/offline for IM from the command line? |
| 23:36.41 | MohammadAG | I remember the time I forced a umount of / |
| 23:36.55 | FIQ|n900 | uh |
| 23:36.57 | BCMM_ | (alternatively, how else can i automatically log on and off at certain times?) |
| 23:36.59 | merlin1991 | BCMM_: I bet there's some dbus stuff for telepathy there |
| 23:36.59 | FIQ|n900 | what happened? |
| 23:37.01 | FIQ|n900 | :D |
| 23:37.18 | merlin1991 | well, the phone did boot |
| 23:37.20 | merlin1991 | took the pin |
| 23:37.29 | MohammadAG | Shit happened (TM) |
| 23:37.31 | merlin1991 | even was able to start browser for example |
| 23:37.46 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 23:37.48 | BCMM_ | see, phone goes silent at night through the magic of alarmed, but apparently being "online" causes people to complain when you don't respond more than accepting SMSs does |
| 23:37.48 | merlin1991 | ofc it complained about running out of mem all the time due to no swap |
| 23:37.49 | FIQ|n900 | is tempted to try, but he assumes that Maemo is going to hate him then |
| 23:37.51 | MohammadAG | the system continued working |
| 23:38.09 | MohammadAG | but whenever it wanted to do something it errored out |
| 23:38.15 | MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, umount -l / |
| 23:38.16 | BCMM_ | probably because most people can't tell if an SMS got through or not |
| 23:38.23 | MohammadAG | I hope you don't corrupt anything :P |
| 23:38.34 | FIQ|n900 | :P |
| 23:38.36 | MohammadAG | I did it on my PC |
| 23:38.52 | merlin1991 | so yea, it worked as far as core functionality of the phone went |
| 23:38.55 | BCMM_ | also, is there any system for configuring a notification when a specific contact goes online? |
| 23:38.58 | merlin1991 | I think I could still call too |
| 23:39.02 | merlin1991 | but everything else didn't work |
| 23:39.27 | merlin1991 | BCMM_: I fear you'll have to go over the telepathy docs for that |
| 23:39.28 | FIQ|n900 | btw, why do /home use journaling? |
| 23:39.36 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, PC |
| 23:39.37 | merlin1991 | at least I know nothing on the ui side that would enable todo you that |
| 23:39.47 | BCMM_ | merlin1991: was hoping somebody else did, and wrote an application or something :) |
| 23:39.48 | MohammadAG | Swap is always 0% on my PC |
| 23:39.52 | MohammadAG | 4GB ram ftw!1 |
| 23:40.04 | FIQ|n900 | has 6GB RAM |
| 23:40.10 | MohammadAG | fu |
| 23:40.14 | merlin1991 | hehe swapoff on the n900 |
| 23:40.22 | merlin1991 | and enjoy randomly closing apps :D |
| 23:40.28 | MohammadAG | you'll get errors from hildon-desktop merlin1991 |
| 23:40.39 | MohammadAG | Unable to launch application, not enough memory |
| 23:40.39 | merlin1991 | you get errors from everywhere |
| 23:40.43 | MohammadAG | nah |
| 23:40.48 | MohammadAG | CTRL+SHIFT+X |
| 23:40.57 | MohammadAG | and start showing it who's boss |
| 23:41.01 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:41.04 | FIQ|n900 | xterm ftw |
| 23:41.11 | GAN900 | Heeeey, zerojaaay |
| 23:41.12 | FIQ|n900 | or not |
| 23:41.32 | merlin1991 | hey browser did work, but I didn't get as far as using pastebin to save some stuff from xterm xD |
| 23:41.33 | MohammadAG | osso-xterm isn't that bad actually |
| 23:41.52 | MohammadAG | it needs keyboard shortcuts though |
| 23:42.04 | MohammadAG | CTRL+Shift+v to paste etc |
| 23:42.38 | FIQ|n900 | isn't osso-zterm open source |
| 23:42.39 | merlin1991 | it needs CTRL + Shift + Fn + B todo black magic |
| 23:42.50 | merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: yes it is |
| 23:42.52 | MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, it is |
| 23:43.00 | merlin1991 | there's even some xterm fix for something in the cssu |
| 23:43.05 | MohammadAG | but I've said it many times |
| 23:43.09 | FIQ|n900 | yes |
| 23:43.09 | MohammadAG | I suck at gtk |
| 23:43.15 | FIQ|n900 | light black |
| 23:43.18 | merlin1991 | or rather going to |
| 23:43.21 | FIQ|n900 | or was it dark gray? |
| 23:43.30 | nox- | merlin1991, you mean the return key bug? |
| 23:43.41 | FIQ|n900 | oh |
| 23:43.44 | FIQ|n900 | that too |
| 23:43.45 | MohammadAG | that's vte |
| 23:43.51 | MohammadAG | not the UI |
| 23:43.52 | nox- | ah true |
| 23:44.26 | merlin1991 | ah well osso-xterm is on gitorious, waiting for patches http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-xterm/commits/master |
| 23:48.27 | FIQ|n900 | hmm... |
| 23:48.52 | FIQ|n900 | i must go and compile my own version of the maemo version of xchat |
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| 23:49.12 | FIQ|n900 | so I can actually paste things |
| 23:49.14 | merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: what do you need from it that it doesn't offer currently? |
| 23:49.16 | *** join/#maemo visz (hv@kytkin.vipu.org) |
| 23:49.17 | merlin1991 | ah :D |
| 23:49.18 | FIQ|n900 | more than 1 line |
| 23:49.38 | FIQ|n900 | that's really annoying tbh |
| 23:50.20 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 23:51.18 | MohammadAG | i wonder how fast thunderbird would run on the N900 |
| 23:51.35 | FIQ|n900 | uhm |
| 23:51.52 | FIQ|n900 | Prolly not that bad, but nothing you would use daily |
| 23:52.26 | merlin1991 | wonders if quassel2go has proper multiline paste support |
| 23:52.31 | FIQ|n900 | If i'm optimistic |
| 23:52.48 | FIQ|n900 | Even my old phone's client had it |
| 23:53.10 | FIQ|n900 | Mostly because writing opened a whole new window of text to write in |
| 23:53.24 | merlin1991 | ah seems like the quasselcore actually takes care of that |
| 23:53.25 | merlin1991 | yay |
| 23:53.31 | merlin1991 | goes to try on the n900 |
| 23:54.03 | FIQ|n900 | Uh, but I use xchat at desktop |
| 23:54.08 | FIQ|n900 | and can paste properly |
| 23:54.17 | FIQ|n900 | why doesn't it work on N900? |
| 23:54.22 | FIQ|n900 | different input? |
| 23:54.28 | merlin1991 | the n900 is special ;) |
| 23:54.47 | FIQ|n900 | uses N900 as he uses his desktop |
| 23:55.00 | FIQ|n900 | (minus desktop gaming) |
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| 23:55.38 | merlin1991 | yep quassel2go works just fine |
| 23:55.48 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 23:56.06 | FIQ|n900 | I guess I can take a look |
| 23:56.41 | merlin1991 | quassel2go is a n900 client for quassel |
| 23:56.47 | FIQ|n900 | but I prefer treebar over tabs |
| 23:56.56 | merlin1991 | http://quassel-irc.org/ |
| 23:56.57 | FIQ|n900 | Yes, i know |
| 23:57.42 | SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/xchat.png - wfm\ |
| 23:58.03 | SpeedEvil | I would like it if it had pidgins channel-alias functionality. |
| 23:58.29 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: that's about how my xchat looked before I switched to quassel :) |
