| 00:00.28 | dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: no offense, figured you would see the highlight later :) |
| 00:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | highlight? |
| 00:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | aah, fmtx. yw |
| 00:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | I meant pupnik |
| 00:03.36 | dangergrrl | i know it works now i just have to wire it up |
| 00:08.34 | dangergrrl | rode to harbor freight and back think i rode like 70 miles |
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| 01:11.48 | GeneralAntilles | More confusing social networking services. |
| 01:11.51 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me feel old. |
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| 01:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: believe me, that's relative. And as long as it's only a feeling... |
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| 02:13.30 | iluminator101 | how do import holiday calender into n900 main calender |
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| 03:51.59 | cityLights | can I pls get help to anser a dbus signal every time |
| 03:52.04 | cityLights | my code: http://dpaste.com/540186/ |
| 03:52.35 | cityLights | in line 32 I hook the signal |
| 03:52.45 | cityLights | but get it just once |
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| 04:49.24 | krayon | cityLights: Only speculation but some environments require you to re-hook every call. I have no idea about this however. |
| 04:51.07 | doc|home | is there any word on a replacement for the n900? |
| 04:52.15 | dm8tbr | nokia promised to bring out their maemo6^wMeeGo device still this year... |
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| 07:18.58 | timeless_xchat | sighs |
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| 07:19.18 | timeless_xchat | oh, in case people didn't notice, i'm no longer @nokia |
| 07:19.31 | chx | sad :( |
| 07:19.32 | timeless_xchat | needs to file a bug about mfe |
| 07:19.45 | chx | what's mfe? |
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| 07:19.51 | chx | Mail For Exchange? |
| 07:20.02 | timeless_xchat | yes |
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| 07:23.28 | mece | timeless_xchat, so what do you do now? |
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| 07:26.37 | chx | timeless_xchat: WebOS maybe :) ? |
| 07:27.57 | timeless_xchat | mece: sit around Wayne's coffee |
| 07:28.07 | timeless_xchat | chx: i'm joining RIM actually |
| 07:28.15 | chx | WOW |
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| 07:28.45 | timeless_xchat | but right now i'm syncing my n900 to gmail |
| 07:30.22 | timeless_xchat | gently pokes MfE |
| 07:31.09 | timeless_xchat | it has synced mail, seems to be done w/ calendar, but hasn't started address book... |
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| 07:32.10 | timeless_xchat | anyway, i'm going to MeeGo conference, so i'll see people there |
| 07:32.23 | timeless_xchat | afterwards, i'm pretty much going to disappear |
| 07:32.32 | timeless_xchat | it's been a fun ride |
| 07:32.52 | timeless_xchat | and i'll miss the people from #maemo |
| 07:33.29 | chx | so is thee rumor true that MS buys RIM? |
| 07:33.50 | timeless_xchat | dunno |
| 07:33.57 | timeless_xchat | i'm not working for rim yet |
| 07:34.10 | timeless_xchat | so i'm pretty much ignoring any news about it |
| 07:34.18 | chx | heh |
| 07:34.19 | timeless_xchat | too much stress |
| 07:34.30 | timeless_xchat | i need to focus on selling my apartment |
| 07:34.43 | chx | oh you are moving as well? |
| 07:34.47 | timeless_xchat | note that i won't be working on blackberry |
| 07:34.50 | timeless_xchat | yep |
| 07:34.57 | timeless_xchat | is going to toronto |
| 07:35.42 | timeless_xchat | woohoo, sync is almost done! |
| 07:35.49 | timeless_xchat | grr |
| 07:35.56 | chx | oh immigration? |
| 07:36.03 | timeless_xchat | sync is done - #UIfail |
| 07:36.12 | chx | i sympathise with that i did it in 2008 |
| 07:36.21 | chx | size down to three (and a half) suitcases |
| 07:36.22 | chx | and go. |
| 07:37.08 | timeless_xchat | nah, this includes a relocation package |
| 07:37.34 | timeless_xchat | my biggest task after selling my apartment is inventoring for shipping insurance |
| 07:37.54 | timeless_xchat | which will involve (literally) counting shot glasses |
| 07:39.27 | timeless_xchat | hrm, anyone here try the j2me gmail app on their n900? |
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| 07:42.53 | timeless_xchat | grr |
| 07:43.04 | timeless_xchat | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/microedition/midlet/MIDlet |
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| 07:51.04 | cityLights | I hooked my function to be called when the calender is changed and a msg appears in the dbus |
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| 07:51.17 | cityLights | but this is only called once, why? |
| 07:52.05 | cityLights | I hooked my function to be called when the calender is changed and a msg appears in the dbus |
| 07:52.09 | cityLights | but this is only called once, why? |
| 07:52.51 | dm8tbr | stop repeating yourself, stop repeating yourself |
| 07:53.07 | timeless_xchat | dm8tbr++ |
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| 07:57.27 | cityLights | dm8tbr: sorry |
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| 07:57.35 | cityLights | had a few disconections here |
| 07:57.44 | cityLights | and didnt see an answer |
| 07:58.01 | cityLights | I guess I need to wait |
| 07:58.31 | dm8tbr | yep, most likely |
| 07:58.31 | timeless_xchat | so, the actual dbus hook you used would be worth mentioning |
| 07:58.54 | timeless_xchat | or your code (pastebin ), or a ref to the docs you're reading.. |
| 07:59.50 | cityLights | yes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72876 |
| 08:00.21 | cityLights | I published this as it works , but it is not finished |
| 08:03.12 | timeless_xchat | so you mean the dbChanged thing? |
| 08:03.22 | timeless_xchat | i'd try dbus-monitor |
| 08:03.57 | timeless_xchat | kicks java |
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| 08:05.52 | cityLights | timeless_xchat: thanks a lot |
| 08:06.10 | cityLights | do you mean the dbus monitor program |
| 08:06.24 | cityLights | I have the msg of the calender change |
| 08:06.35 | cityLights | and I do catch the signal pnce |
| 08:06.37 | cityLights | once |
| 08:06.52 | cityLights | need I end the main loop and restart it? |
| 08:08.21 | timeless_xchat | eep |
| 08:08.35 | timeless_xchat | your 'start' method is confused |
| 08:08.42 | cityLights | eep? |
| 08:08.48 | timeless_xchat | it's mixing control flow logic |
| 08:08.55 | timeless_xchat | with ui logic |
| 08:09.06 | timeless_xchat | split it into "update_ui" |
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| 08:09.36 | timeless_xchat | and "event_loop" |
| 08:09.55 | timeless_xchat | the __main__ would call both |
| 08:10.00 | cityLights | but the start() has no UI in it |
| 08:10.15 | timeless_xchat | but i'm pretty sure you want everyone else to just call "update_ui" |
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| 08:10.32 | timeless_xchat | the active user profile is a "ui" |
| 08:10.43 | timeless_xchat | it isn't *your* ui, but it is a ui |
| 08:10.54 | cityLights | o ok |
| 08:11.04 | cityLights | pls show me what you mean |
| 08:11.17 | cityLights | I also need to add a UI to run this |
| 08:11.30 | cityLights | and I am new to pygtk , but it seems easy |
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| 08:12.28 | Termana | good morning |
| 08:12.54 | cityLights | hi |
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| 08:15.06 | timeless_xchat | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221527 |
| 08:17.01 | timeless_xchat | it /looks/ like you were nesting event loops |
| 08:17.11 | timeless_xchat | which is unlikely to do the right thing |
| 08:17.56 | cityLights | when the calender is changed, I need to terminate all and restart |
| 08:18.29 | cityLights | so I need self.loop.quit() at the start of calender_chaged()? |
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| 08:20.54 | timeless_xchat | err |
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| 08:22.21 | timeless_xchat | wow |
| 08:22.29 | timeless_xchat | i think i might have gmail working |
| 08:22.41 | cityLights | what is all the noise about? |
| 08:22.58 | cityLights | everyone has gmail - no? |
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| 08:23.25 | timeless_xchat | the java version? |
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| 08:23.36 | timeless_xchat | gmail has about a dozen ui's |
| 08:23.53 | timeless_xchat | x, h, ui=2 (+buzz) |
| 08:24.01 | timeless_xchat | pop, imap, mfe |
| 08:24.05 | timeless_xchat | java |
| 08:24.16 | cityLights | o ok |
| 08:24.17 | timeless_xchat | + iOS |
| 08:24.31 | timeless_xchat | is probably missing a couple |
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| 08:30.08 | timeless_xchat | of course microemulator is available from the repos.... |
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| 08:34.50 | edheldil | timeless_xchat: there are slight differences, though |
| 08:35.44 | edheldil | i.e. some app working on dumb phones does not work in Microemu |
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| 08:36.17 | dashavoo | :q |
| 08:36.22 | dashavoo | ah shit, sorry |
| 08:36.36 | dashavoo | I wanted to close my screen session... not awake yet... thought it was vim |
| 08:37.33 | timeless_xchat | heh |
| 08:37.59 | timeless_xchat | edheldil: well... something is better than nothing |
| 08:38.18 | timeless_xchat | and something someone else packages is better than me wasting time packaging |
| 08:39.56 | timeless_xchat | i don't suppose you can suggest some apps that work? |
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| 08:41.53 | edheldil | I have tried only one app I was interested in and it did not work (due to loading gauge), but I have not (yet) bothered to try deleting it and recompile |
| 08:43.38 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 08:44.01 | timeless_xchat | gmail doesn't seem to load |
| 08:44.02 | MohammadAG | no one knows what curly brackets in curl means |
| 08:44.14 | timeless_xchat | gmaps gets stuck @license screen |
| 08:44.21 | timeless_xchat | mohammadag: ? |
| 08:44.43 | mece | MohammadAG, LOL |
| 08:45.00 | MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, something like curl -F variable={variableX=value, variableY=value} |
| 08:45.48 | timeless_xchat | -sh: curl: not found |
| 08:45.52 | timeless_xchat | :) |
| 08:46.08 | mece | MohammadAG, is there a question in there somewhere? |
| 08:46.12 | timeless_xchat | braces are often handled by shells |
| 08:46.49 | Corsac | and my curl manpage doesn't have anything about braces in -F paragraph |
| 08:46.51 | MohammadAG | not if they're in between quotes (which I forgot above) |
| 08:47.30 | MohammadAG | hmm, I'm surprised that qxmpp has headers but no .so files |
| 08:47.34 | MohammadAG | is that even possible? |
| 08:48.21 | timeless_xchat | ooh, i should use hermes! |
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| 09:07.48 | timeless_w7ip | kicks icd2 + hermes |
| 09:07.59 | timeless_w7ip | hermes forces a network connection |
| 09:08.05 | timeless_w7ip | if it doesn't get a connection, it asks again |
| 09:08.12 | timeless_w7ip | and it keeps asking until you kill it |
| 09:08.56 | timeless_w7ip | and if you're stupid enough to try to go offline, you get pestered to go online |
| 09:09.26 | timeless_w7ip | and that dialog seems to be system modal |
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| 09:12.06 | MohammadAG | timeless_w7ip, same happens with the media player |
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| 09:28.57 | jacekowski | same happens with anything |
| 09:29.11 | jacekowski | i've had gps do it |
| 09:29.14 | jacekowski | when i was abroad |
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| 09:29.28 | jacekowski | in my pocket |
| 09:29.44 | jacekowski | i've ended up paying quite a bit roaming charges |
| 09:29.49 | edheldil | the reliance on network connection is ugly, especially with gps :/ |
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| 09:44.57 | timeless_w7ip | media player?! why!?!! |
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| 09:55.17 | mer_ge | is there lightning for icedove in easy debian? |
| 10:00.40 | khertan | Morning |
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| 10:21.55 | MohammadAG | timeless_w7ip, no idea, but it annoyed me a lot at one point I switched to mplayer that day |
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| 10:23.01 | timeless_w7ip | heh |
| 10:23.04 | timeless_w7ip | sighs |
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| 10:23.07 | timeless_w7ip | kicks facebook |
| 10:23.16 | timeless_w7ip | it keeps rolling me over onto http instead of https |
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| 10:23.30 | MohammadAG | so switch to https in settings? |
| 10:24.42 | chem|st | morning |
| 10:24.51 | MikaT | MohammadAG: mediaplayer does not need network connection by itself. Have you by any chance used some Last.FM scrobbler or some other MAFW plugin that wants the connection? |
| 10:25.59 | MohammadAG | Not sure MikaT |
| 10:26.03 | MohammadAG | probably yeah |
| 10:28.06 | MikaT | That might be it. I use mafw-lastfm and works without connection too. I think it has a cache and spits all the scrobbled tracks when the device is in network afterwards. |
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| 10:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: hi! |
| 10:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | I deplore to hear you stopped working for Nokia/maemo |
| 10:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | but then... |
| 10:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | when's your NDA expiring? |
| 10:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | moin chem|st |
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| 10:43.08 | timeless_w7ip | mohammadag: it keeps resetting to http |
| 10:43.08 | timeless_w7ip | and the settings actually claim to be using https |
| 10:43.08 | timeless_w7ip | afaict |
| 10:43.28 | timeless_w7ip | docscrutinizer: yep. i resigned |
| 10:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: actually I would think you probably mustn't work on crackberry for the next year or so |
| 10:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | assuming you got a standard contract with Nokia |
| 10:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably my freelancer biased POV |
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| 10:47.10 | timeless_w7ip | i'm not working on Blackberry |
| 10:47.36 | timeless_w7ip | i couldn't find anything exciting in my contract |
| 10:47.38 | timeless_w7ip | we did look |
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| 10:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: normal employee's contract then. Freelancers tend to find some § in their contracts forbidding any knowledge transfer by excluding a number of jobs for next few years (or months) |
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| 10:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | in your case this might have been browser development for embedded |
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| 10:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | my question about your NDA was from similar POV |
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| 10:57.39 | merlin1991 | I think I remember someone using hostmode on the n900 and also charching it at the same time, how was that done, or is that just wishfull thinking on my side? |
| 10:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging |
| 10:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-powered |
| 10:58.12 | infobot | rumour has it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
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| 10:58.52 | merlin1991 | thx Doc |
| 10:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 10:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | tell me if it works for you |
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| 10:59.49 | merlin1991 | or if it burns the device ;) |
| 10:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | nah!!! |
| 11:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | dn't mess with things you got no clue, follow my advice, and nothing bad will happen |
| 11:00.55 | merlin1991 | so I shouldn't use the press all buttons untill something happens approach? :D |
| 11:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | you're free to do that, my instructions and apps/scripts always are fool safe to that degree for sure |
| 11:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | and I always STRONGLY DISCOURAGE all things that might potentially do any harm |
| 11:03.39 | cityLights | ok, now that all you guys are here , I may get some help in design |
| 11:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | I STRONGLY DISCOURAGE to edit the involved scripts unless you know *exactly* what you're doing |
| 11:04.08 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: hi |
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| 11:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: hi, and no - I'm no developer :-) |
| 11:04.42 | SpeedEvil | I on the other hand strrongly encourage - but only if you take video for youtube. |
| 11:04.53 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJgAmft2jI&feature=player_embedded - how to solar power your n900. |
| 11:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | and got no friggin clue neither about python nor about dbus |
| 11:05.00 | cityLights | my main loop in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221527 chks for a meeting then sleep untill then |
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| 11:05.25 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: ok ok |
| 11:06.01 | cityLights | I am seeking advice about gobject and callbacks |
| 11:06.31 | cityLights | is there anyone that can help me call a method while I am in a timeout event? |
| 11:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | I can help you ask smarter questions :-D |
| 11:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | post a link to your pastebin, with a ref to the particular line, so others really know what's your problem |
| 11:08.07 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: the first paragraph in your post had me confused untill I spottet the double negative :D |
| 11:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 11:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm poor at writing good texts. My brain works like that |
| 11:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | there's not really any double negation in there |
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| 11:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | considers backus-naur |
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| 11:12.27 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: link to the article |
| 11:12.33 | merlin1991 | it's a double negative to my twisted mind, where you go on about then plugging the charger -> if after -> not before |
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| 11:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt that'd be any easier to understand |
| 11:13.13 | chem|st | in english double negative form is not positive but more negative |
| 11:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | do NOT apply 5V to N900 before hitting vboost |
| 11:13.16 | cityLights | SpeedEvil: very nice idea that solarfire |
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| 11:13.46 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I said it had me confused, I realized it after reading it for the 5th time :P |
| 11:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | do NOT plug unpowered charger to the Y-cable when that Y-cable already is attached to N900 |
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| 11:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | so there are TWO valid modes: either plug charger to wall, to y-cable, then plug in y-cable to N900 after hitting vboost |
| 11:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | or |
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| 11:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | plug y-cable to N900, plug charger to wall, then plug charger to y-cable after hitting vboost |
| 11:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | first variant is better |
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| 11:17.55 | merlin1991 | the setup i have in mind is external hdd -> n900 -> tv |
| 11:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | np |
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| 11:19.02 | merlin1991 | looking at the charcher script though is scary |
| 11:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 11:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | you must not look at the charger script ;-P |
| 11:19.26 | trx | haha |
| 11:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: link? ~hostmode-powered Double negation? I know the diff from German to English and because of that diff never do that noways :-P |
| 11:22.12 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: double negation in german is boring, the fun starts when the twisted mind writing the text actually does triple negation :D |
| 11:22.26 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: ok , let me see if I took you advice: |
| 11:22.35 | cityLights | my code is here: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221611 |
| 11:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | my advice ? o.O |
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| 11:23.21 | cityLights | I seek advice with line 31 |
| 11:23.39 | merlin1991 | yep that last line is appling your advice doc ;) |
| 11:23.39 | cityLights | I need to understand why it is triggered only once |
| 11:23.43 | cityLights | and how to fix it |
| 11:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | aah, that advice, yeah excellent :-D |
| 11:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | now you only need to make sure this wasn't to me but to all knowledgeable users in this channel ;-D |
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| 11:25.41 | merlin1991 | ping * ? :D |
| 11:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | please anybody can you help cityLights with above problem ^^^ |
| 11:26.21 | merlin1991 | cityLights: so you only get that dbChange signal once? |
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| 11:27.04 | cityLights | fixed: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221612 |
| 11:27.36 | cityLights | I forgot to fix all of the places I was asked to use event_loop() |
| 11:27.51 | cityLights | ok, now its ok, but my problem is not solved |
| 11:28.02 | cityLights | merlin1991:yes |
| 11:28.13 | merlin1991 | looks at new class based code now |
| 11:28.28 | cityLights | I agree that I am getting the signal when I am in a loop |
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| 11:29.19 | cityLights | so do I first need to loop.quit() in calender_changed() ? |
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| 11:30.01 | cityLights | is there any more thing I need to fix so it will be easy to read? |
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| 11:32.38 | cityLights | is he still drunk? |
| 11:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
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| 11:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, I hope infobot will tell him |
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| 11:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | please PING me if he's going mad again |
| 11:41.46 | merlin1991 | cityLights: I think I found the problem |
| 11:41.53 | cityLights | YES! |
| 11:41.57 | merlin1991 | in calender_changed |
| 11:42.03 | merlin1991 | you for some reason stop the mainloop |
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| 11:42.23 | merlin1991 | taking from the pygobject docs: The quit() method stops the mainloop from running. Any subsequent calls to the run() method will return immediately. |
| 11:43.04 | merlin1991 | hm wait |
| 11:43.19 | cityLights | ok, I added it as without it , this method is only called once |
| 11:43.22 | merlin1991 | you do create a new mainloop on each call of event_loop |
| 11:43.30 | cityLights | even if I change the calender twice |
| 11:43.39 | cityLights | right |
| 11:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | sounds weird |
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| 11:45.53 | cityLights | I am new to gobjects so I ask |
| 11:46.19 | cityLights | should I kill the main loop and create a new one when the calender is chnaged? |
| 11:46.34 | cityLights | this has more to do with gtk then python |
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| 11:47.46 | merlin1991 | there are a few things odd in your code |
| 11:48.10 | merlin1991 | for instance, the timer_callback, why does it start the event_loop again? |
| 11:51.26 | cityLights | merlin1991: hmm maybe I dont need to restart the event_loop |
| 11:53.30 | merlin1991 | you shouldn't need to start teh event loop in the timer callback since it should be still running in the bg |
| 11:53.48 | cityLights | merlin1991: thanks I removed lines 104 and 106 and now its ok |
| 11:54.27 | merlin1991 | I'd get rid of the former line 113 in timer_callback |
| 11:54.29 | cityLights | how to quit this program? is stop() correct? just self.loop.quit() ? |
| 11:54.53 | merlin1991 | where you also start the even_loop from a call that came from the event loop |
| 11:55.01 | cityLights | ok, |
| 11:56.20 | cityLights | my second question is: is the design right: one class doing the work and one for the ui? |
| 11:56.48 | merlin1991 | I can't answer the second question, since I've never done anything but hobby work on my own :D |
| 11:56.56 | merlin1991 | but about the quit |
| 11:57.03 | cityLights | how should the UI know is the backend is running? should it keep its own self.running_flag ? |
| 11:57.04 | merlin1991 | you should stop the backend event loop |
| 11:57.08 | merlin1991 | -> self.loop.quit |
| 11:59.01 | merlin1991 | and the gtkmain quit too |
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| 12:02.26 | cityLights | that is on the ui side |
| 12:02.32 | cityLights | ok |
| 12:02.40 | cityLights | thanks a lot |
| 12:02.59 | cityLights | this place helps when one is too lazy |
| 12:03.23 | merlin1991 | also to know if the backend is running |
| 12:03.36 | merlin1991 | you're using python -> self.backend.loop.is_running() |
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| 12:05.18 | merlin1991 | also I see you have a status funciton in the backend too |
| 12:05.55 | merlin1991 | ps, never say you asked here because you're lazy some souls in here don't like that at all ;) |
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| 12:11.09 | mece | MohammadAG, ping |
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| 12:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: indeed |
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| 12:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~question |
| 12:15.11 | infobot | methinks question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 12:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | lazy==luser |
| 12:17.07 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: do you have your lart ready? |
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| 12:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | I got infobot doing that for me. She's good at lart |
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| 12:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | however cityLights is a funny fool, claiming he's lazy while he actually is quite interested in learning, and not at all asks for spoonfeeding solutions to him |
| 12:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | reading smart-questions doesn't hurt anyway. I do it regularly, like twice a year |
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| 12:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | of course everybody tends to be 'lazy' in the way cityLights probably meant, but you better think twice about stating it, and also you better limit that habit to a reasonable amount |
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| 12:29.57 | cityLights | I agree |
| 12:30.15 | cityLights | but when one invokes on concoring a new skill |
| 12:31.03 | cityLights | one usually asks for googles help |
| 12:31.03 | cityLights | and after some irelevent reading gets stock |
| 12:31.13 | cityLights | then I got a working skelaton , and become lazy |
| 12:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 12:31.37 | cityLights | in the sense that I just need to go past a certain point , to continue working |
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| 12:31.56 | cityLights | and this is where IRC is the best companian |
| 12:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | there's nothing wrong in asking more experienced developers to give advice |
| 12:33.07 | merlin1991 | the only problem here is with me being "more experienced" :D |
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| 12:33.24 | cityLights | IMHO |
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| 12:36.40 | cityLights | where should i ask next time? |
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| 12:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: here of course |
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| 12:42.55 | cityLights | ok , so I will wait for shapeshifter or other python developpers |
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| 12:44.36 | renato | Hi, Who I can ask to remove a broken package from the maemo repository? |
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| 12:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade |
| 12:52.03 | renato | X-Fade, I have uploaded the new pyside packages but for some reason the i386 packages is broken ("Size mismatch"). Can you remove these packages ("pyside-1.0.2-1maemo2")? |
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| 13:05.52 | MohammadAG | where is X-Fade? |
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| 13:07.37 | X-Fade | renato: Maybe 2 builds have been running at the same time. Due to the way our caching network works, things break when you 'update' a file with something else. |
| 13:08.20 | X-Fade | renato: The quick fix is to increment the epoch and resubmit. I can clean the old version but it takes a long time for it to expire from cache. |
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| 13:26.24 | LuisCarlos | Hi Everybody. Does anyone knows where is the config for HAM update interval? I do not want HAM to look for updates, I'd like to do it manually. |
| 13:27.16 | GAN900 | catches up on the MeeGo/Maemo and Harmattan thread. |
| 13:27.21 | GAN900 | What a mess. |
| 13:27.59 | MohammadAG | I'd assume updates are done by the applet |
| 13:28.13 | MohammadAG | removing the applet should stop updates |
| 13:28.59 | chem|st | LuisCarlos: there is no thing as stopping it |
| 13:29.12 | chem|st | LuisCarlos: the interval is set in gconf |
| 13:30.01 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ham-notifier.desktop /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ham-updates.desktop |
| 13:30.04 | MohammadAG | one of those |
| 13:30.09 | MohammadAG | or both |
| 13:31.28 | chem|st | MohammadAG: that doesn't stop the update but the msg, does it? |
| 13:31.41 | chem|st | LuisCarlos: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check |
| 13:33.45 | MohammadAG | chem|st, probably does |
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| 13:34.44 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/lib/hildon-desktop] > grep /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval * |
| 13:34.44 | MohammadAG | Binary file ham-notifier-status-menu-item.so matches |
| 13:34.44 | MohammadAG | Binary file ham-updates-status-menu-item.so matches |
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| 13:34.59 | MohammadAG | removing the plguins disables updates all in all then, rather than delaying them for a long time |
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| 13:40.10 | Arkenoi | "Select connection" dialog is damn stupidiest thing in maemo UI. If there is NO connection available, a) WHY ASK b) WHY ASK AD NAUSEAM? |
| 13:41.54 | SpeedEvil | On a related matter - is there any way to say 'connect automatically only to this wifi network' ? |
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| 13:43.25 | LuisCarlos | chemlst: thanks for the answer! |
| 13:44.47 | Arkenoi | wishes software updates could use FAM |
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| 13:49.02 | LuisCarlos | Curious thing is that, now that I check, I changed that parameter a while ago, but still I receive update notifications. |
| 13:49.20 | LuisCarlos | Maybe, it is when I've removed/added a new repository. |
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| 14:08.04 | joga | is there some way to make the n900's camera appear as /dev/videoX on a remote host? gstreamer loopback or something? |
| 14:08.51 | joga | ie. I could use its camera as a webcam with stuff like opencv etc |
| 14:09.09 | SpeedEvil | Well - you can run opencb on the n900 in principle. |
| 14:09.21 | SpeedEvil | Also, in principle, you could code a USB video driver. |
| 14:09.26 | SpeedEvil | This would be quite handy. |
| 14:09.34 | SpeedEvil | However, I don't think such exists already. |
| 14:09.42 | SpeedEvil | USB video class gadget driver |
| 14:09.50 | SpeedEvil | So the n900 would appear as a UISB webcam |
| 14:11.21 | joga | I don't have the time nor the skills to code such a driver right now :) I'm just trying to find simple and cheap way for a moving robot to see. I already found smartcam which seems great, but doesn't run on maemo (it runs on symbian/winmo/bada/android though) |
| 14:11.55 | SpeedEvil | There should be no great problems getting opencv to run on teh n900 |
| 14:12.00 | joga | it's not that big of a problem, I tried smartcam with my symbian work phone and it worked nicely, but the phone has a poor camera |
| 14:12.13 | joga | yeah I have it running |
| 14:12.21 | joga | its performance is just not enough |
| 14:12.25 | SpeedEvil | I've also used mencoder to do something similar |
| 14:12.40 | SpeedEvil | Just encode the stream to a pipe, and shove it over the network. |
| 14:12.47 | joga | or, well, it might be for fiducials, but I'm not sure if all the stuff I want exists for maemo |
| 14:12.51 | SpeedEvil | There can be a fair bit of delay if you do that though. |
| 14:13.22 | joga | yeah that sounds the simplest, I have some vague memory of doing some loopback stuff with gstreamer which was kind of like that, but can't remember how |
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| 14:31.33 | N900_VcfCards | hello..:) |
| 14:32.02 | N900_VcfCards | trying to find where under Xterm, i could see/modify VcfCards |
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| 14:58.00 | GAN900 | PSN relaunching May 31st. |
| 14:58.34 | GAN900 | They must be working to 3 or 4 in the afternoon everyday to meet that deadline. . . . |
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| 15:00.33 | GAN900 | "Yes, the service will have been down for 41 days, but we'll give you a free month for your trouble!" |
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| 15:05.31 | RST38h | GAN: Ain't you happy, punk? =) |
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| 15:16.06 | GAN900 | RST38h, oh tickled. It's so much fun to watch. |
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| 15:35.18 | BCMM | is there a way to open a URL in the web browser, from the command line? |
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| 15:44.40 | MohammadAG | dbus |
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| 16:04.01 | chem|st | MohammadAG: the correct answer is "yes" ;) |
| 16:05.20 | RST38h | moos at wazd evilly |
| 16:06.19 | MohammadAG | chem|st, lol |
| 16:06.29 | RST38h | wazd: what is with that extra pompous provider domain? =) |
| 16:09.56 | RST38h | yahoo: http://gizmodo.com/#!5655514/want-to-know-if-the-fbi-is-tracking-you-look-for-one-of-these |
| 16:10.21 | RST38h | and the same gadget, disassembled: http://gizmodo.com/#!5799948/heres-what-that-fbi-tracker-looks-like-when-you-tear-it-apart |
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| 16:12.55 | Corsac | hmhm, links don't work here |
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| 16:13.33 | Corsac | gizmodo.com redirects to .fr, somehow |
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| 16:20.26 | GAN900 | Ron Paul's car? Classy. |
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| 16:25.02 | Arkenoi | wow, worth getting one for batteries, they must be expensive. |
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| 16:26.05 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Should get yourself onto terrorism watchlist first! |
| 16:26.19 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Hack CIA or something |
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| 16:35.45 | Arkenoi | RST38h, there is urban legend about KGB guys whining to a "target" asking to get their equipment (microphones and recorder) back because they are going to be punished for losing it :-) |
| 16:36.14 | Arkenoi | late 70s i think |
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| 16:37.02 | joga | heh back in the soviets our car and home was tapped |
| 16:38.34 | joga | in the summers when we went bacj to finland for a while there was a mandatory car inspection where they removed their devices, and sometimes left some wires hanging |
| 16:38.38 | joga | *back |
| 16:38.45 | d1b | ha! |
| 16:39.21 | Arkenoi | why not remove it yourselves (and keep it)? :-) |
| 16:39.32 | chem|st | who wasn't tapped? |
| 16:39.36 | joga | I don't think they would have liked that |
| 16:39.45 | Arkenoi | joga: did you really care? |
| 16:39.52 | joga | nah, I was a small child |
| 16:42.17 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Yeah, I know this one |
| 16:42.28 | RST38h | Arkenoi: And it does sound authentic enough, ironically |
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| 16:46.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, a radio studio on wheels, for free, plus guaranteed audience. I for sure would get lyric |
| 16:49.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | "hey Marge, have you noticed thst blue van? You know that Lada with those two guys standing in our road all the time. Last night I've seen guys in a blue van watching that Lada" |
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| 16:58.30 | RST38h | Doc: Actually,there is a 70-80s joke about |
| 16:59.09 | RST38h | Doc: With KGB officer calling some dissidents during a home concert and asking them to pause, because he has run out of tape |
| 16:59.40 | RST38h | Doc: And the dissidents telling him not to worry, as they will give him their own tape to copy |
| 16:59.56 | jaska | :D |
| 17:00.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
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| 17:41.33 | LarsN | if the application manager has run into apt-get dependancy hell. is there a link on how to un-stick it? |
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| 17:43.30 | MohammadAG | the app manager ignores all warnings |
| 17:43.36 | MohammadAG | and can ruin the system |
| 17:43.42 | MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure it can't unruin it |
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| 17:46.40 | LarsN | alright then |
| 17:46.43 | LarsN | re-flash it is :) |
| 17:46.53 | LarsN | well, going to start with some command line foo. |
| 17:46.57 | LarsN | if that fails then I'll reflash. |
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| 18:09.19 | LarsN | apt-get remove for the win! |
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| 18:19.37 | Pillum | hey, when trying to create a egl context on N900 all I get is a bad config on Pillum eglCreateWindowSurface |
| 18:19.40 | Pillum | this is my code |
| 18:19.41 | Pillum | http://pastebin.com/ztLhUWqD |
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| 18:41.22 | Vanadis | hai thar |
| 18:41.36 | Vanadis | someone using symfonie on the n900 here? |
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| 18:42.06 | Vanadis | i'm encountering serious stuttering-bugs here |
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| 18:43.24 | vi__ | yo |
| 18:44.06 | vi__ | how can I re-arrange the icons in the menu of the n900? i.e. force them all to alphabetical order |
| 18:45.09 | RST38h | http://images57.fotki.com/v139/photos/5/1738335/9557424/ipoo-vi.jpg |
| 18:45.20 | joga | SpeedEvil, for the record, got it working hackily using "gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=... port=..." on N900 and "gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc port=5000 ! jpegdec ! ffmpegcolorspace ! v4l2loopback device=/dev/video0" on PC |
| 18:45.50 | joga | had to try like three different video loopback thingies and hunt around the forum posts :) |
| 18:46.14 | joga | after that I can use for example the opencv facedetect sample and it finds the n900 as a webcam |
| 18:46.39 | joga | but unfortunately reacTIVision didn't work with it, I'll need to check if there's some setting I can do with it |
| 18:47.28 | joga | also had to get v4l2loopback and gst-v4l2loopback from here https://github.com/umlaeute |
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| 19:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | joga: nice find anyway |
| 19:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | joga: and I don't think it's particularly hackish |
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| 19:54.34 | SpeedEvil | joga: neat! |
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| 20:40.19 | thomas_sch | hey I installed nitdroit without adding an entry for maemo in multiboot can I force booting maemo using flasher? |
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| 20:53.00 | Sicelo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.23 | Sicelo_ | multiboot reportedly breaks devices.. |
| 20:55.48 | thomas_sch | I like having android as my second os and up till now multiboot never failed on me (the one time it failed was my fault) |
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| 21:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 21:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | last week we had an average of >2users(day who got fsckd by multiboot |
| 21:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile I'm considering to not only ask for ban of multiboot pkg on maemo, but also to ban multiboot topic on this channel |
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| 21:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=multiboot ENJOY! :-P |
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| 21:13.00 | thomas_sch | I think I will reflash the init |
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| 21:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: how about a MaemoWeekly column "WTF app of the week (/month/whatever)" - multiboot definitely qualifies for that title for 2010Q4 and 2011Q1 |
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| 21:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: there've been sound remarks about multiboot being dangerous to the device and thus MUST get removed from extras and extras-testing |
| 21:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I support that notion |
| 21:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: multibot wears out NAND by way too many useless flashing of kernel, and it breaks all "normal" upgrade procedures |
| 21:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: uninstalling it is nonsense as you'll have to flash afterwards anyway... So you can start over with flashing right away |
| 21:29.24 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, hit up the Packages interface. |
| 21:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: and it's causing nothing but trouble to talk users out of their borked system |
| 21:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: elaborate please |
| 21:30.14 | GAN900 | Extras QA has a process in place for complaints. |
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| 21:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | aaah OK |
| 21:30.28 | GAN900 | Easier to get the right eyes on it through there. |
| 21:30.47 | GAN900 | The package instance page for it should have a comments section. |
| 21:31.01 | GAN900 | And there may be a tracker you can file a bug under. |
| 21:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | duh, not going to file a bug for a prog I don't dare to touch ;-D |
| 21:33.08 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: see what you did ;) |
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| 21:34.56 | piggz | lo, does anyone know what im missing in my debian/ files to fix the following error im getting on the auto builder, but not locally |
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| 21:34.59 | piggz | dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libQtLocation.so.1 needed by debian/pgz-latitude-widget/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/pgz-latitude-widget (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm'; RPATH: ''). |
| 21:36.52 | piggz | locally, that error is just a warning |
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| 21:49.37 | Venemo | piggz, does your control file have correct build dependencies? |
| 21:51.38 | MohammadAG | in this case libqtm-dev |
| 21:51.54 | MohammadAG | also it seems you're providing a binary to the builder |
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| 21:57.04 | piggz | Venemo: MohammadAG: yes, it was a dep, but i found that because it is in a non standard location (/opt/qtm...) you have to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the control file |
| 21:57.38 | Venemo | piggz, hm, interesting. I use only libqtm-sensors, but I didn't have such an issue |
| 21:57.46 | piggz | MohammadAG: sure?? the build just suceeded, and i used -sa -S |
| 21:58.23 | piggz | Venemo: yeah, i didnt have a problem with -sensors in space-invaders |
| 21:59.11 | Venemo | piggz, the trick for -sensors is that I needed to add it to build depends too, because libqtm-dev didn't bring it in |
| 22:00.37 | piggz | Venemo: i'll look at that trick tomorrow...gnight |
| 22:00.51 | Venemo | piggz, good night |
| 22:01.05 | GAN900 | No Fear Shakespeare is the required edition. What is this world coming to. |
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| 22:11.49 | BCMM | i had a problem with the MyDocs filesystem, which seems to be fixed since doing a fsck on it |
| 22:11.56 | BCMM | however, tracker seems to be broken now |
| 22:12.12 | BCMM | i can't see any photos in the photos app, or any music in the media player |
| 22:12.22 | BCMM | (opening music or photos from the file manager works fine) |
| 22:13.14 | BCMM | how can i get tracker to forget everything and just redo its DB |
| 22:13.59 | SpeedEvil | rm |
| 22:14.08 | rm_work | ? |
| 22:14.10 | rm_work | :P |
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| 22:15.48 | SpeedEvil | ~/.cache/tracker/ |
| 22:15.49 | MohammadAG | tracker-processes -r |
| 22:16.07 | SpeedEvil | nuke file* |
| 22:16.09 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 22:18.20 | BCMM | MohammadAG: is that a command to run, and is it an alternative or in addition to what SpeedEvil said? |
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| 22:25.00 | BCMM | MohammadAG: thanks, i read tracker-processes --help and did -r |
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| 22:31.18 | BCMM | what does tracker do apart from photos and music? |
| 22:31.28 | lcuk | tracks things |
| 22:32.19 | BCMM | lcuk: i know, but which things? |
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| 22:32.36 | BCMM | i mean, if i tell it to monitor only my photos and music directory, will i notice? |
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| 22:33.05 | BCMM | i have a suspicion that tracker is part of why fcamera hangs up when shooting lots of photos in quick succession |
| 22:37.06 | SpeedEvil | ~/.config/tracker/ |
| 22:37.12 | SpeedEvil | you can tell it what dirs to watch |
| 22:39.20 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: yes, i'm doing that |
| 22:39.32 | BCMM | just wondering which features i could miss from limiting it |
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| 22:42.29 | BCMM | ok, it appears to be building me a brand new tracker DB now |
| 22:42.39 | BCMM | thanks |
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| 23:21.44 | merlin1991 | khertan: ping |
| 23:27.06 | compengi | how can i activate the phone lock on startup, as before or after it asks for the sim pin |
| 23:27.26 | lolcat | compengi: I did that once, in the menu |
| 23:29.26 | compengi | lolcat, how |
| 23:34.11 | compengi | and btw, does anyone has issues with playing videos from topgear.com? when i click to play on any video, it tell me that it's currently not available. on iphone 4 the video plays though. and when i select a second video from that page at the botton, the browser freezes |
| 23:35.33 | lolcat | compengi: Security? It is at the bottom of the settings menu. I don't have my N900 here so i can't know |
| 23:37.09 | compengi | lolcat, well.. to activate that, i need to set a time interval to lock the phone. i don't want that. i want to have the phone locked when it starts |
| 23:38.59 | lolcat | ah |
| 23:40.49 | SpeedEvil | compengi: I would wonder if it's a flash version issue. |
| 23:40.55 | SpeedEvil | (topgear) |
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| 23:42.15 | compengi | SpeedEvil, did you experience the same thing? |
| 23:43.07 | SpeedEvil | I have never looked at topgear.com - I use iplayer |
| 23:43.11 | SpeedEvil | well - get_iplayer |
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| 23:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | either flash version, or even browser-id |
| 23:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | or JS sh*t |
| 23:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | no, I don't even know topgear |
| 23:44.58 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: You never heard of topgear? |
| 23:45.02 | SpeedEvil | Topgear is a remake of Desperate Housewives - loosely remade around cars. |
| 23:46.00 | SpeedEvil | compengi: Oh. Where are you? |
| 23:46.36 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: Desperate Housewives started 2007, we've had topgear since '01 |
| 23:46.48 | nox- | he was joking :) |
| 23:47.01 | SpeedEvil | compengi: It's working 'fine' for me. |
| 23:47.36 | SpeedEvil | Quotes as it hits 7fps or so |
| 23:48.14 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, i never visited that website too, but we were in a voodafone shop today to check out some new phones out there, there was this samsung 2 core on android, it was sooo laggy on that website. htc on android was fine with it. so i was just curious how it works on maemo. the loading is pretty cool.. and it doesn't lag even when the site isn't fully loaded, but the flash and the freeze.. |
| 23:48.21 | compengi | SpeedEvil, oh really?! |
| 23:48.30 | SpeedEvil | compengi: Where ar eyou? |
| 23:48.37 | compengi | SpeedEvil, germany |
| 23:48.42 | SpeedEvil | If you are outside the UK, it likely won't work. |
| 23:48.49 | compengi | oh? |
| 23:48.56 | SpeedEvil | Does it work on your desktop? |
| 23:49.06 | compengi | SpeedEvil, but it does on iphone4 |
| 23:49.09 | compengi | yup |
| 23:49.13 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 23:49.36 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 23:49.44 | SpeedEvil | Over the same net connection as the desktop? |
| 23:49.55 | compengi | yeah |
| 23:50.00 | compengi | same network |
| 23:50.34 | SpeedEvil | I've got no idea. I diddn't try playing all the videos, just the top on. |
| 23:50.35 | SpeedEvil | e |
| 23:51.00 | compengi | SpeedEvil, try clicking on any video at the bottom |
| 23:51.11 | compengi | does your browser freeze? |
| 23:51.37 | SpeedEvil | I've stuck the n900 on charge now - so I can't reach it. |
| 23:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | I just notice every time I try to open a hit of google search via context menu in "new window", I end with a second window showing google search result list rather than the linked site |
| 23:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | seems that's clearly some JS bug |
| 23:54.47 | compengi | SpeedEvil, i get "the video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable. please come back soon." |
| 23:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | or even a bug in microb/hildon/dbus/whatever |
| 23:55.16 | compengi | SpeedEvil, are you using gssu update? |
| 23:55.28 | SpeedEvil | compengi: no |
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| 23:55.43 | compengi | SpeedEvil, aha.. |
| 23:55.44 | compengi | i do |
| 23:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | what's gssu update? |
| 23:56.18 | compengi | cssu* |
| 23:56.21 | compengi | :( |
| 23:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 23:56.36 | SpeedEvil | I watched the 458 thingy at the top of the topgear.com/videos/ page |
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| 23:57.06 | compengi | SpeedEvil, pretty cool, right? |
| 23:57.33 | compengi | idk where is the second episode of it |
| 23:57.40 | compengi | it must be a race |
| 23:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | plays here, Germany, microb, cssu |
| 23:59.18 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't watch all of it, as I'm waiting on a video stream starting. |
| 23:59.47 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, do you think it has something todo with the community update? because i'm feeling more like i have more issues rather than noticable fixes. and the virtual keyboard issue wasn't present before |
| 23:59.51 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, oh |
| 23:59.54 | compengi | :/ |
