| 00:00.19 | MohammadAG | killed |
| 00:00.28 | MohammadAG | so it's two minutes actually |
| 00:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | registering it with osso-service-name in .desktop to dbus though it's not a dbus aware app |
| 00:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 00:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, two minutes |
| 00:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | dbus timeout |
| 00:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | probably |
| 00:00.55 | ShadowJK | If he's starting it via dbus maybe it implies it should be dbus aware |
| 00:01.11 | MohammadAG | I've had apps not dbus aware started via DBus |
| 00:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | maybe then it should also register with dbus |
| 00:01.15 | MohammadAG | and they never had this |
| 00:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | no idea really, just handwaving |
| 00:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | I know it was a nasty little detail |
| 00:02.28 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:02.29 | MohammadAG | I think it's a line in the .desktop file |
| 00:02.32 | MohammadAG | X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable |
| 00:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | me too |
| 00:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:02.42 | MohammadAG | we'll know in 10s |
| 00:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's the dbus thing I meant |
| 00:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | nah, in 10? |
| 00:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | rather in 130 |
| 00:03.32 | MohammadAG | nope, killed :/ |
| 00:03.44 | nox- | stupid q: what does osso stand for anyway :) |
| 00:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | open source software Oslo |
| 00:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | j/k |
| 00:04.22 | nox- | hah |
| 00:04.32 | ShadowJK | open source software operations |
| 00:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | sth about Nokia's FOSS software anyway |
| 00:04.53 | nox- | ah |
| 00:05.38 | MohammadAG | Open Source (ha) Software Operations |
| 00:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | incredible nobody here knows what's that kill-after-120s issue been |
| 00:08.30 | MohammadAG | well, psfreedom doesn't get killed |
| 00:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | ohI think if you start an app via dbus, it has to register to dbus under same name, or sth like that |
| 00:08.42 | MohammadAG | and it's pretty much the same (no DBus awareness etc) |
| 00:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 00:09.05 | MohammadAG | and it uses 13MBs of RAM |
| 00:09.16 | MohammadAG | I have to say, for two buttons, that's quite a lot |
| 00:09.26 | MohammadAG | criticizes past coding skills |
| 00:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: try to make sure your stdin and stdout and stderr are closed or redirected to /dev/null |
| 00:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | maybe that's the trick |
| 00:10.15 | MohammadAG | both apps use qDebug() |
| 00:10.25 | MohammadAG | nah, that's not it |
| 00:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | you *googled* ? |
| 00:11.32 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-/260779780473?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cb7afa979 amused |
| 00:12.09 | MohammadAG | yes I have DocScrutinizer |
| 00:12.33 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: What is fun about that? |
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| 00:13.17 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: Note the aquatic flightless bird. |
| 00:13.49 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-GOLD-BL-5J-BUSINESS-BATTERY-NOKIA-N900-5800-/200605413295?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2eb503afaf 1930mAh bl5j! |
| 00:14.03 | SpeedEvil | suspects not. |
| 00:14.42 | lolcat | There where a thread about a better N900 battery, not the bigger one, but one that had more capacity than it should |
| 00:17.03 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-GOLD-BL-5J-BUSINESS-BATTERY-NOKIA-N900-5800-/320658428835?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4aa8bb53a3 |
| 00:17.13 | SpeedEvil | hmm - I can't pick iup the qrcode on that one |
| 00:17.18 | SpeedEvil | Is it a real qrcode? |
| 00:19.57 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-n900-Faulty-excellent-condition-/300554668303?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item45fa74490f Is this a barred phone? |
| 00:20.06 | SpeedEvil | should probably stop linkspamming. |
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| 00:26.53 | arvut | how do I check the cpu temp in xterm? |
| 00:27.04 | arvut | of my n900 ofcourse |
| 00:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: at least I now recall Fahrplan had the same problem |
| 00:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so maybe in tmo fahrplan thread you find the answer |
| 00:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=575969#post575969 |
| 00:36.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, making a wrapper script and starting it with run-standalone.sh is a workaround |
| 00:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmhm |
| 00:37.40 | SpeedEvil | arvut: there is no reliably working temperature sensor on the CPU |
| 00:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/fahrplan/0.0.7/ *quit fix - whatever that means |
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| 00:39.50 | nox- | osso_context_t *osso_ctx = osso_initialize (PACKAGE, VERSION, FALSE, NULL); |
| 00:40.01 | nox- | in one of the postings |
| 00:40.12 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 00:40.25 | nox- | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?s=241fc3b109055b3a1271a10dffa6931d&p=587103&postcount=76 |
| 00:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | on fahrplan? |
| 00:40.30 | nox- | yeah |
| 00:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 00:43.04 | MohammadAG | I don't want osso at all in my app |
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| 00:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, starting via dbus IS an osso thing |
| 00:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | I guess |
| 00:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | by your wraper script, you get the "osso" in the shell/xterm I'd assume, so the function that waits for some magic on dbus after starting the app gets satisfied by that |
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| 00:48.27 | MohammadAG | hmm, true |
| 00:48.32 | pronto | mmmm cookies |
| 00:48.35 | MohammadAG | I'm just a bit surprised I didn't notice this till now |
| 00:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously that's the hardcoded timeout of dbus anyway |
| 00:48.44 | pronto | :( i dont think im allowed in this channel anymore D: |
| 00:49.21 | pronto | (i got a new phone today, thats not an n900) |
| 00:49.28 | MohammadAG | KICK HIM! |
| 00:49.36 | pronto | D: |
| 00:49.37 | MohammadAG | oh wait, torture him first |
| 00:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | not yet, but soon |
| 00:49.40 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:49.49 | pronto | i still has my n900 |
| 00:49.59 | pronto | i jsut wanted to unlock my phone with my finger print o_o |
| 00:50.08 | MohammadAG | Atrix? |
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| 00:50.24 | MohammadAG | biometric locks are overrated, had them in my Pocket PC |
| 00:50.34 | pronto | yeah atrix |
| 00:50.40 | pronto | it was $150 today |
| 00:50.48 | MohammadAG | I heard the voice quality's crappy (not trolling) |
| 00:50.52 | MohammadAG | holy shit that's cheap |
| 00:50.56 | MohammadAG | subsidized? |
| 00:51.03 | pronto | MohammadAG: it cant be wrose the then n900 |
| 00:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 00:51.12 | pronto | and i tested it for about two hours today seemed good enough |
| 00:51.16 | MohammadAG | nah, the N900's voice quality is superb imo |
| 00:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely |
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| 00:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | voice quality is last thing to argue about on N900 |
| 00:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | is as good as it gets |
| 00:54.36 | MohammadAG | yeah, the best two phones I've talked on are the N900 and the iPhone 4 (given it has a case on it) |
| 00:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | even speakerphone is excellent |
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| 00:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | though a lil bit more sensitivity on mic would be nice |
| 00:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | pronto: if you had poor voice audio on N900, you should ask for a replacement |
| 00:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | probably sth is broken |
| 00:58.49 | pronto | *shrugs* |
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| 01:30.35 | SpeedEvil | http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/developerworld/2011/05/06/how-to-build-a-linux-kernel/ |
| 01:30.36 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
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| 02:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | yay, what a statement |
| 02:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | sonyericsson going to teach us how to do it right? |
| 02:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'm somehow reluctant to click this link, dunno why, may sth to do with my adrenaline or my heartburn |
| 02:02.46 | psycho_oreos | somehow I could think of it as how to install their custom linux that is laden with DRM loving softwares |
| 02:03.06 | DocScrutinizer | none the better |
| 02:04.02 | psycho_oreos | a clean linux that doesn't have any of the sony's backdoored or otherwise scms patented crap would be a hell lot better |
| 02:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | makes me yawn, still not even going to click on that URL |
| 02:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | hay, maybe they tell us how to avoid security vulnerabilities in linux servers ;-P |
| 02:06.20 | DocScrutinizer | so you don't watch somebody downloading 110mio of your customer data records |
| 02:06.36 | psycho_oreos | and get sued by the millions :) |
| 02:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrhr >:-) |
| 02:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | it's not been a trick, it's just sony |
| 02:07.42 | psycho_oreos | and then find some lame excuse to blame on.. oh noez! anonymous was ere! |
| 02:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | wait, is Sony = Japan as well? |
| 02:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | seems there's a culture of publishing negative facts late and partially |
| 02:09.17 | psycho_oreos | Sony's headquarters is in Japan yes |
| 02:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | then bow down deep and beg for pardon |
| 02:10.07 | psycho_oreos | there's lots of hatred on sony and they should continue hating imo :D. They (sony) screwed people around the world several times |
| 02:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | but actually do nothing |
| 02:10.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, point is, if sony's giving people an unlocked bootloader that's a huge step forwards |
| 02:14.02 | psycho_oreos | the question will be: for how long will they momentarily play nice? like how they treated ps3 linux owners with otherOS? |
| 02:14.30 | MohammadAG | till geohot the II shows up :P |
| 02:17.49 | psycho_oreos | I'll be honest here, I really don't see geohot being the culprit, he just likes attention and if sony has a flaw in their system, they should cop it and fix it rather than disabling the whole damn thing thereby pissing their linux community off. On top of that making ostracising comments like,"If you want to keep your OtherOS and don't want to play online with PSN, you don't have to upgrade." |
| 02:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | I won't give a single thought about Sony |
| 02:18.24 | psycho_oreos | I wished they rot in hell |
| 02:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'm simply not interested in either Sony hw details nor any Sony sw. I got several Sony devices and always found they are of rather questionable quality hw wise, nifty but flimsy or buggy same time |
| 02:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | there's even been a time where you got service manuals for free from Sony |
| 02:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | but they didn't help too much as their hw was unserviceable |
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| 02:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | the cutest thing ever been their scoopman |
| 02:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | I never dared to open it, after studying the service manual. seems they used one flexible PCB and folded it to 7 layers, in a device hardly half the size of a pack of cigarettes |
| 02:26.31 | Sazpaimon | you guys dont realize how dissapointed I am that I can't play VVVVVV at full speed on my N900 |
| 02:26.37 | Sazpaimon | its a travesty |
| 02:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoopman |
| 02:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | only scoopman NT-2 there, way larger than my NT-1 |
| 02:30.00 | psycho_oreos | VVVVVV? |
| 02:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | also what a shit on wikipedia, ""stored memos"" WUT? in stereo-hifi? NT-1 not even had a built-in mic |
| 02:31.17 | Sazpaimon | psycho_oreos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VVVVVV |
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| 02:31.44 | Sazpaimon | ive probably played it about a hundred times since i got it last year |
| 02:32.07 | Sazpaimon | too bad it completely chokes on my phone due to lack of hwaccel in flash |
| 02:32.13 | Sazpaimon | thanks adobe! |
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| 02:33.10 | Sazpaimon | its definately a great game though |
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| 02:34.11 | psycho_oreos | Sazpaimon, "A Linux version was in development, but eventually cancelled due to technical difficulties." - LOL |
| 02:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | ohmy |
| 02:34.40 | Sazpaimon | yeah because its annoying to pack a flash file into a linux executable |
| 02:34.47 | Sazpaimon | trust me I've tried |
| 02:34.54 | psycho_oreos | its so adobe for you |
| 02:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | flash IS annoying |
| 02:35.01 | Sazpaimon | its not worth the effort and youre better off running the exe in wine |
| 02:35.25 | psycho_oreos | emulated wine inside qemu |
| 02:35.27 | psycho_oreos | heh |
| 02:35.31 | Sazpaimon | that said, I have an swf version of the game |
| 02:35.46 | Sazpaimon | i extracted the swf from the exe and decompiled it, and removed any security stuff that prevented it from running |
| 02:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | what a friggin weird shit |
| 02:36.27 | Sazpaimon | it runs perfectly fine on my desktop browser, but my n900 plays it at like half speed |
| 02:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | obviously done by fools who had more an idea of how to PLAY a agme than how to CODE it |
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| 02:37.08 | Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, the AS is pretty solid |
| 02:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | flash packed into an exe, cmon |
| 02:37.22 | Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, its very commonplace actually |
| 02:37.37 | Sazpaimon | lots of developers pack an swf into an embedded flash player |
| 02:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah fools and noobs are pretty common, agreed |
| 02:37.59 | Sazpaimon | flash CS3 and up i believe have that feature included |
| 02:38.26 | Sazpaimon | because believe it or not, not everyone has a standalone flash player installe |
| 02:38.27 | Sazpaimon | d |
| 02:38.32 | Sazpaimon | nor do they want to do so to play a game |
| 02:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | indeed I don't even want to play any flash based game |
| 02:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | unless it's maybe some simple shit embedded in a webpage |
| 02:39.30 | Sazpaimon | so its not unheard of or even bad practice to publish a flash game with an embedded flash player as an exe |
| 02:39.35 | Sazpaimon | so it "just works" |
| 02:39.53 | psycho_oreos | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | as I said above, fools and noobs... |
| 02:40.09 | Sazpaimon | i think adobe officially calls it a projector |
| 02:40.44 | Sazpaimon | yeah thats what they call it |
| 02:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | I don't give a flying fart what Adobe calls it |
| 02:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | adobe reached the point where they're on par with M$ on my hate-list |
| 02:42.03 | Sazpaimon | i detect some mad here |
| 02:42.06 | Sazpaimon | are you.. mad |
| 02:42.07 | Sazpaimon | bro? |
| 02:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you publish your games as .xls (win7 format) rather than flash |
| 02:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | way less proprietary |
| 02:44.23 | Sazpaimon | yes, definately some mad going around here |
| 02:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 02:44.38 | Sazpaimon | don't worry, doc, I'm here for you |
| 02:44.43 | Sazpaimon | come here, I'll hold you |
| 02:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 02:44.50 | Sazpaimon | there there, its okay |
| 02:44.57 | Sazpaimon | the adobe monsters can't hurt you anymore |
| 02:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | heads out to find a hooker to beat him with a whip written adobe on it |
| 02:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | all hail to apple for banning flash from their phones |
| 02:48.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ok, how do I unload the Intel GPU driver to see if it's the source of resume problems? |
| 02:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | erhm |
| 02:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | unload like in? modprobe -r ? |
| 02:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that. |
| 02:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | has lost all brain capacity tonight pounding his head against multiple technical barriers. |
| 02:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | well, lsmod and pick your fav |
| 02:49.43 | GeneralAntilles | just wants a working laptop. |
| 02:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt the system will like that though |
| 02:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, buntkuh? |
| 02:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | Good, inflicting suffering on Ubuntu? Yes. |
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| 02:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | there's some advice about how to unload drivers prior to suspend and load it after resume |
| 02:52.00 | DocScrutinizer | there are means for that, to deal with drivers not behaving |
| 02:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | you don't want to do that manually |
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| 03:09.36 | GeneralAntilles | dies. |
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| 03:48.04 | pauly | hi anyone want to buy a n900 with broken usb port? |
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| 04:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | how much? |
| 04:13.21 | doc|home | he left |
| 04:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 05:45.34 | lsolano | Hi. After installing any app on my n900, app icon is not show, until reboot. Is there any other way to see the icon without rebooting? |
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| 08:05.16 | lbt | X-Fade: ping ... pmo down ? |
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| 08:36.46 | etorix_ | lololol |
| 08:36.54 | etorix_ | who owns the federal reserve, doc|home ? |
| 08:36.56 | etorix_ | you CUNT |
| 08:36.59 | etorix_ | you COCK SUCKER |
| 08:37.01 | etorix_ | you BITCH |
| 08:37.04 | etorix_ | suckers of satan's cock deserve no better |
| 08:37.06 | etorix_ | that means you kerio |
| 08:37.09 | etorix_ | sperm slurper |
| 08:37.11 | etorix_ | you are a fucking idiot |
| 08:37.14 | etorix_ | doc|home's throat is too full of satan's sperm to type anything |
| 08:37.16 | etorix_ | jizm gobbler |
| 08:37.21 | etorix_ | lol at fuckheads |
| 08:37.24 | etorix_ | how the fuck are we going to kill these shits at nokia |
| 08:37.26 | etorix_ | especially this elop demon |
| 08:37.29 | etorix_ | there are a lot of good poisons |
| 08:37.31 | etorix_ | that motherfucker needs to go DOWN |
| 08:37.34 | etorix_ | like BIN LADEN |
| 08:37.36 | etorix_ | and doc|home |
| 08:37.39 | etorix_ | hows the sperm slurping going for you doc|home |
| 08:37.41 | etorix_ | gobble gobble gobble |
| 08:37.46 | etorix_ | smack smack |
| 08:37.49 | etorix_ | dribble dribble |
| 08:37.51 | kerio | 2/10 for the effort |
| 08:37.52 | etorix_ | doc|home, lapping up satan's cum |
| 08:37.54 | etorix_ | like a cunt |
| 08:37.56 | etorix_ | a fucking cunt |
| 08:38.01 | etorix_ | hi shit |
| 08:38.11 | etorix_ | doc|home sucks jew cock |
| 08:38.14 | etorix_ | doc|home: is a CUNT |
| 08:38.16 | etorix_ | 'fuck me, i'm yours' |
| 08:38.19 | etorix_ | satanic baby eaters |
| 08:38.21 | etorix_ | that's who this motherFUCKER serves |
| 08:38.24 | etorix_ | and several of them are involved |
| 08:38.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: *poke* |
| 08:38.27 | etorix_ | in open source projects |
| 08:38.29 | etorix_ | so you need to learn who is who |
| 08:38.32 | etorix_ | do you understand shitheads |
| 08:38.34 | etorix_ | evil people have a motive to infect open source |
| 08:38.36 | etorix_ | you dumb idiots |
| 08:38.39 | etorix_ | ,k, |
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| 08:39.08 | HRH_H_Crab | hello all |
| 08:39.17 | HRH_H_Crab | i wonder if someone can give me some guidance, |
| 08:40.16 | HRH_H_Crab | my phone tells me that it wants to upgrade "Linux kernel for power user (boot image)" but the upgrade fails because of the "3rd party package policy" or something like that. |
| 08:40.42 | HRH_H_Crab | im not sure whether i should be doing something to remove a block so that it can install, or whether i have to do something to stop it from trying to install that. |
| 08:51.11 | robbiethe1st | Um |
| 08:51.55 | robbiethe1st | try opening a terminal, typing 'sudo gainroot', then 'apt-get upgrade' and tell me what it says? |
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| 09:05.14 | HRH_H_Crab | robbiethe1st: yeah i found this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879&page=27 |
| 09:05.33 | HRH_H_Crab | did a manual install and it looks like its all behaving now. |
| 09:05.34 | HRH_H_Crab | thanks. |
| 09:05.40 | robbiethe1st | NP |
| 09:07.28 | HRH_H_Crab | the package manager freaks me out sometimes |
| 09:07.33 | HRH_H_Crab | it can be a bit clunky. |
| 09:08.30 | HRH_H_Crab | also, i find it confusing to understand what some of these packages are sometimes. i suspect that i might not even need that one. i experimented a bit with dual booting maemo / android but i didnt think much of android. |
| 09:08.33 | robbiethe1st | HRH_H_Crab: I always use the command-line tool; can't stand the slow gui one |
| 09:08.56 | robbiethe1st | You can always google the name of a package; it'll let you know |
| 09:09.23 | robbiethe1st | power-kernel's the "custom kernel" various people have come up with; it's always a good thing even if you don't want to OC |
| 09:09.30 | HRH_H_Crab | yeah |
| 09:09.35 | HRH_H_Crab | i use it for stuff like ipv6 |
| 09:10.23 | HRH_H_Crab | but im not sure what the "boot image" part is. i would think that would actually install the new kernel and sort out the bootloader and all but it doesnt reboot the phone or anything when it installs. |
| 09:13.02 | robbiethe1st | Hm... Well, the kernel's got it's own partition on the disk |
| 09:13.12 | robbiethe1st | could be something to do with that |
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| 10:22.51 | iPeter- | Hello |
| 10:22.57 | iPeter- | I got some issues with my n900 |
| 10:23.17 | iPeter- | i did remove everything from / |
| 10:23.31 | iPeter- | including /user/MyDocs |
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| 10:24.14 | iPeter- | i tried to reflash my n900 emmc and firmware, but when booting up i get "Missing image" and some square boxes. Help! |
| 10:24.48 | SpeedEvil | That happens if you've got a screwed up emmc I think |
| 10:24.54 | SpeedEvil | reflash? |
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| 10:25.32 | iPeter- | SpeedEvil: That happened already when mydocs etc did get removed.. |
| 10:25.53 | SpeedEvil | What did you do? |
| 10:25.54 | iPeter- | Have tried flashing emmc 2 times and getting successfully flash.. |
| 10:26.03 | iPeter- | umm |
| 10:26.37 | iPeter- | mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /and |
| 10:26.48 | iPeter- | cd /and/ |
| 10:26.57 | iPeter- | rm -rf * |
| 10:27.26 | SpeedEvil | ponders |
| 10:27.31 | iPeter- | :D |
| 10:27.32 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - not awake enough |
| 10:28.17 | iPeter- | i was installing nitdroid to my device, triple checked that mmcblk is right but then i did do something wrong and then it werent righ. |
| 10:28.20 | iPeter- | right* |
| 10:28.48 | iPeter- | SpeedEvil: Any ideas? |
| 10:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | votes for banning nitdroid |
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| 10:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | if I haven't missed some, this been the 5 complaint about nitdroid killing N900 in 24h |
| 10:29.56 | iPeter- | :D |
| 10:30.01 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: Can you help me? |
| 10:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | reflash, first rootfs-COMBINED, then emmc-VANILLA |
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| 10:32.04 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: Is this correct: Rx-51 2009SE 20.2010.36-2 pr combined mr0 arm.bin |
| 10:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | looks about right |
| 10:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry - first vanlla, then combined, is the more safe method |
| 10:33.31 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: Tried that few times, still nothing. |
| 10:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | you're missing the vanilla image |
| 10:33.51 | iPeter- | multiboot is coming etc, i select maemo, it boots up but has squares and no images |
| 10:34.19 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: I have flashed emmc vanilla and then firmware combined |
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| 10:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, then sth went wrong, otherwise you should be back to facotry state |
| 10:35.32 | RST38h | Doc: Is it just me, or are we really getting a flood of newbies with bricked devices lately? |
| 10:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 10:35.58 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: I do: flasher-3.5 -F emmc.bin -f when finished i do flasher-3.5 -F firmware.bin -f -R, correct? |
| 10:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | not unhappy about that |
| 10:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | looks about right, iPeter- |
| 10:36.34 | RST38h | Doesn |
| 10:36.43 | iPeter- | RST38h: ? |
| 10:36.54 | RST38h | t this mean there might have been a rogue package bricking those devices? |
| 10:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | nitdridiot always been rogue |
| 10:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually multiboot |
| 10:38.07 | RST38h | ah, these are nitroid/multiboot victims... |
| 10:38.48 | RST38h | Yea, you are right: "Go to first new post [How To] Nitdroid-Installer: install GingerBread N12 UMay" <== at the top of tmo topics |
| 10:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 10:39.31 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: Its writing tow the emmc.bin and its done. Image(s) flashed successfully in 26.976 s |
| 10:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | I repeat, I suggest banning nitdroid |
| 10:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | ok, now flash rootfs |
| 10:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | aka fiasco / COMBINED |
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| 10:44.12 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: I did, it was almost instantly done |
| 10:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, is rather quick |
| 10:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, like 8s or sth |
| 10:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 10:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | (been a while since... ;) |
| 10:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | next boot should take noticably longer than usual |
| 10:46.15 | iPeter- | this asks what to boot maemo or nitdroid |
| 10:46.19 | iPeter- | i select maemo |
| 10:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | ohnoes |
| 10:46.52 | iPeter- | it rebooted and got alot squares |
| 10:46.59 | iPeter- | and 2 buttons with squares |
| 10:47.05 | iPeter- | with grey background |
| 10:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | your flashing of rootfs went wrong |
| 10:47.47 | iPeter- | well i did as i said |
| 10:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | tell iPeter- about flashing |
| 10:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell iPeter- about flashing |
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| 10:48.22 | iPeter- | and no errors during flashing.. i have done it few times but this time seems to be little hard.. |
| 10:48.40 | iPeter- | using laptop eee 901 and ubuntu 11.04 |
| 10:49.18 | Sicelo_ | hi evryne |
| 10:49.37 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: If i install openssh and make account for you etc, could you do it? |
| 10:49.47 | Sicelo_ | /s/evryne/everyone |
| 10:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no |
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| 10:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: please look carefully at the part >>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, do following steps:<< in the wiki page |
| 10:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | at |
| 10:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 10:54.11 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:55.00 | Sicelo_ | s/evryne/everyone/ |
| 10:55.07 | Sicelo_ | yay |
| 10:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: reading that passage also will tell you why I can't do that for you, even with a ssh account |
| 10:58.09 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: Now it did flash it, had to remove battery after emmc flash |
| 10:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
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| 11:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo_: you didn't know this infobot fun? :-D |
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| 11:21.47 | Wisso | hello |
| 11:21.53 | Wisso | anyone around? |
| 11:22.08 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 11:22.51 | Wisso | is it possible to run the flasher on slitaz? |
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| 11:23.16 | SpeedEvil | on what? |
| 11:23.26 | Wisso | Slitaz OS |
| 11:23.31 | SpeedEvil | what? |
| 11:23.39 | Wisso | bootable live unix operating system |
| 11:23.50 | SpeedEvil | Probably |
| 11:24.08 | SpeedEvil | It should work like on any other linux |
| 11:24.19 | SpeedEvil | the flasher doe s not require any more than just hte flasher itself. |
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| 11:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(?¿wtf!!) |
| 11:27.18 | Wisso | ok got it running |
| 11:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | seems it's up to anybody's guess how many linux distros are around today^H this minute |
| 11:28.20 | Wisso | DocScrutinizer it was the smallest unix os i could get to boot live |
| 11:28.24 | Wisso | 30MB only |
| 11:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | aah, ok. That reduces the crop to sth like maybe 20 |
| 11:29.07 | Wisso | i cannot install unix on my system |
| 11:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | DSL, knoppix... |
| 11:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | changes wallpaper of fedora desktop to pink and call that shelux, new distro o/ ;-D |
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| 11:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | no offense to you, Wisso |
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| 11:31.04 | kerio | knoppix is big |
| 11:31.12 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: that's the ubuntu way, change the desktop theme and call it a new distro |
| 11:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | yeah but nobody else got such a cute name for his distro ;-P |
| 11:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | runs to (R) shelux trademark |
| 11:32.46 | dm8tbr | :D |
| 11:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | "only genuine with the pink theme" |
| 11:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | don't mess this one with hanna barbera |
| 11:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 11:36.00 | dm8tbr | ask Myrtti for some tips. she's got the whole pink linux thing figured out :) |
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| 11:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | errr hanna montana of course |
| 11:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html |
| 11:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | wondes who's hanna barbera - prolly a p0rnstar somebody mentioned here |
| 11:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | aaah toons |
| 11:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | william hanna, joseph barbera |
| 11:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | now you all know what I do in me off-time :-P |
| 11:47.32 | Wisso | DocScrutinizer SpeedEvil: im getting an error "Unable to enumerate USB buses!" when running the flasher |
| 11:47.40 | Wisso | what does that mean |
| 11:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | errr, sth is interferring the data transmission. Prolly a driver (modprobe -r *usb*), but may also be a USB hub, bad cable, poor hardware in PC... |
| 11:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | for all I know |
| 11:49.57 | Wisso | ok ill check |
| 11:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes dmesg/syslog helps a lot |
| 11:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | on linux :-D |
| 11:51.24 | Wisso | ill join back from the unix station |
| 11:51.25 | Wisso | brb |
| 11:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
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| 11:53.23 | tux_ | ok i ran modprobe -r *usb* |
| 11:54.09 | tux_ | module *usb* not found |
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| 12:00.48 | WiSso | DocScrutinizer u still there |
| 12:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, this been a pattern |
| 12:01.24 | WiSso | what does that mean |
| 12:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | meta-pattern |
| 12:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | the modules are cdc_ether, phonet, g_ether, dunno what else |
| 12:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | esp phonet is notorious |
| 12:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | ofono as well, if there's such a module with ofono in its name |
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| 12:04.15 | DocScrutinizer | any module that *uses* some module realted to USB is suspicious |
| 12:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | and especially those that get loaded when you plug in the N900 |
| 12:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | those are definitely rogue (in this context) |
| 12:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | since a module usually stays loaded once it got loaded, you'd have to start over with a freshly booted system, lsmod, then plug in N900 for flashing, lsmod again, then compare which new modules |
| 12:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | also 64bit linux is known to cause trouble frequently (but not always) |
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| 12:21.08 | cehteh | rofl http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/07/1936221/Sony-Encourages-Linux-On-Their-Phones .. didnt i yesterday explicitly exclude sony from the list of my next phone vendors :P |
| 12:21.21 | BCMM | i kinda want details on that |
| 12:21.46 | BCMM | i mean, as a valid alternative, or as a neat trick where you reboot if you want to actually make calls? |
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| 12:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | or as a marketing trick, I mean it's a Sony |
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| 12:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=sony |
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| 12:45.00 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I think it's just the android patched kernel they're using + how to boot it, and nothing else. |
| 12:45.14 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: Which is positive - but not a working phone system |
| 12:45.26 | SpeedEvil | Though you can possibly put android on it. |
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| 12:55.00 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: where "it" is stuff they've released? |
| 12:55.12 | BCMM | so, no xorg... |
| 12:55.26 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: See the above blog |
| 12:55.38 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: what, slashdot? |
| 12:55.55 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it the official release is simply how to get your kernel (provided source) booting. |
| 12:55.59 | SpeedEvil | And nothing more. |
| 12:56.01 | SpeedEvil | The blog |
| 12:56.20 | BCMM | why can't i find it? |
| 12:56.49 | BCMM | ah, there it is |
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| 13:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, I for a short while considered to get the Sony P1 (long time ago) - I was just lucky I didn't rush so it became obvious they need a reboot every 24h before I got trapped by that shit |
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| 13:15.29 | nusse | hi |
| 13:16.05 | nusse | i'm trying to compile the example data-sharing plugin and receive 'configure.ac:12: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_ENABLE_SHARED', any hints how to survice the autotools-hell? whats missing here? |
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| 14:00.58 | nusse | for the record: install libtool and the correct automake version should fix it |
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| 14:07.24 | BCMM | i have a slight problem with the packaging guide - what's the correct way to make the next version of your application? |
| 14:08.08 | BCMM | i have a checklist-0.1 dir and can successfully create and install checklist_0.1-4_armel.deb |
| 14:08.44 | BCMM | do i just cp -r checklist-0.1 checklist-0.2, modify the sources, and rerun dh_make? |
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| 14:20.38 | Corsac | BCMM: no, you run dch -i, update the changelog entry, then run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:24.07 | BCMM | Corsac: gah, sorry - messed up dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:24.13 | BCMM | and yeah, i know i need to fix the changelog too |
| 14:25.06 | BCMM | i was really asking, is it sufficient to copy the directory, make modifications to sources, dch -i for the changelog and then build the package, or does one need to do dh_make or something? |
| 14:25.18 | Corsac | why copy the directory? |
| 14:25.24 | Corsac | (no need for dh_make) |
| 14:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | for archive |
| 14:25.37 | BCMM | Corsac: well, copy or move |
| 14:25.51 | Corsac | not needed anyway |
| 14:25.57 | BCMM | i'm not using any kind scm yet |
| 14:25.59 | Corsac | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ might give you some help on debian packaging |
| 14:26.05 | Corsac | it'd be worth it |
| 14:26.41 | BCMM | oh my, there's a lot of that... |
| 14:26.47 | BCMM | i'll have a stab at it anyway |
| 14:27.47 | BCMM | Corsac: actually, i already had a look at that. it kind of assumes there is an upstream... |
| 14:28.02 | BCMM | i'm wondering if there's anything wrong with basically working in the directory i build packages in |
| 14:28.20 | BCMM | i mean, for a new version, cp the directory and edit the sources where they are |
| 14:28.28 | BCMM | or is there a reason to not do that? |
| 14:28.38 | BCMM | (or a more common way of doing something similar)] |
| 14:31.21 | BCMM | oh i see, i don't really need to keep the old dir because it's been stored in the .orig for me... |
| 14:31.35 | Corsac | BCMM: if there's no upstream you can make a native package |
| 14:31.47 | BCMM | yes, just got to that bit |
| 14:31.55 | Corsac | but in the usual case there's an upstream, even if he's the same person as the packager |
| 14:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | cp -al |
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| 14:32.50 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: link instead of copying? |
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| 14:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | quite nice, saves all the space for the unaltered files |
| 14:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | just make sure your editor etc doesn't modify files, rather renames/deletes the old copy and creates a new file |
| 14:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | I think most editors do |
| 14:34.16 | BCMM | that sounds unpredictable... |
| 14:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using this scheme to get snapshots of my rsync'd copy of N900 on PC |
| 14:35.26 | BCMM | still not sure i let it know i'm moving from version 0.1 to 0.2 |
| 14:35.52 | BCMM | dch -i has filled in (0.1-6) for me (up from -5 for the last one) |
| 14:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I think there's some catch for that |
| 14:37.17 | BCMM | ah, --fromdirname, -d |
| 14:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | ask somebody who really knows about that stuff |
| 14:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't |
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| 14:38.41 | BCMM | thanks, think i've worked out making new version now |
| 14:38.52 | BCMM | what about building but not bothering with packaging? |
| 14:39.13 | BCMM | (so i can just scp the binary to the device to check it works) |
| 14:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | there's no problem with that, no? |
| 14:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 14:44.38 | BCMM | ah, debian/rules build |
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| 15:03.07 | Sicelo | :/ |
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| 15:18.14 | moo | hi |
| 15:18.22 | moo | talk to me about bme |
| 15:18.47 | Guest82429 | if i stop it what are the consequances? |
| 15:18.50 | SpeedEvil | moo: See http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/200-Solar-vacuum-water-heater-tube-boil-water-sun-/320661439683?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa8e944c3 |
| 15:18.54 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:19.34 | moo_ | what will happen if i plug in the charger with bme stopped. |
| 15:19.35 | SpeedEvil | moo: te device gets confused as to battery state, does not charge, and will not shut down till the hardware cutroff hits |
| 15:19.44 | moo_ | ok |
| 15:19.59 | SpeedEvil | Nothing - unless rthe battery voltage is very low - in which case it will enter a slow hardware charge mode. |
| 15:20.16 | SpeedEvil | Which is not fast enough to charge the device if it's used at all. |
| 15:20.22 | moo_ | ok |
| 15:20.42 | SpeedEvil | And will take about 14 hours to charge, if idle. |
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| 15:20.52 | SpeedEvil | (But won't charge beyond about 10%) |
| 15:21.07 | moo_ | is voltage updatedok |
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| 15:22.14 | moo_ | is voltage info provided anywhere else? i.e will lshal still work? |
| 15:22.49 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. Yoiu can query the battery voltage direcytly over I2C |
| 15:22.54 | moo_ | ok |
| 15:22.59 | SpeedEvil | Why are you asking? |
| 15:23.26 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME |
| 15:24.05 | moo_ | becuse i just found out what is irq 56 that is responsible for over 40% of my hw wakeups |
| 15:24.17 | moo_ | it is bme btw |
| 15:24.43 | moo_ | if it provides nothing more than 'reporting' battery charge... |
| 15:24.46 | moo_ | fuck it |
| 15:24.51 | jacekowski | it's charging battery |
| 15:25.19 | moo_ | I can monitor dbus for 'charger connected' message |
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| 15:25.46 | moo_ | then start dbus when charger is connected, stop it when disconnected |
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| 15:26.19 | moo_ | I have the script that i think was written by dr scrutiniser |
| 15:26.26 | SpeedEvil | moo_: It's monitoring the charge process - it means little. |
| 15:26.35 | SpeedEvil | moo_: Check it with the USB lead off |
| 15:27.02 | moo_ | check what? |
| 15:27.08 | SpeedEvil | Unplug the USB lead. |
| 15:27.11 | SpeedEvil | powertop |
| 15:27.30 | SpeedEvil | You should see several seconds between wakes - average c4 residence time - with all radios off |
| 15:27.40 | pauly | any one want to buy n900 with broken usb port and no stylus |
| 15:27.53 | moo_ | what country? |
| 15:27.58 | Sicelo | hey ya pauly |
| 15:28.07 | pauly | usa |
| 15:28.14 | moo_ | bleh |
| 15:29.32 | moo_ | SpeedEvil: I was suggesting ONLY running bme when plugged into charger. start and stop of bme controlled by the charger plugged/unplugged dbus message. |
| 15:29.41 | pauly | sicelo want to buy it |
| 15:29.41 | moo_ | SpeedEvil: you understard. |
| 15:29.44 | moo_ | ? |
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| 15:31.03 | moo_ | or even better... |
| 15:31.11 | SpeedEvil | moo_: BME does nothing when unplugged - pretty much |
| 15:31.21 | SpeedEvil | moo_: It does not significanrtly wake the device. |
| 15:31.21 | pauly | hmmm |
| 15:31.28 | moo_ | EXACTLY! |
| 15:31.32 | moo_ | it does |
| 15:31.56 | moo_ | it generates around 250 hw wake ups over 30s |
| 15:31.59 | SpeedEvil | Pastebin powertop please. |
| 15:32.06 | SpeedEvil | This is with the screen off? |
| 15:32.28 | moo_ | yes |
| 15:32.33 | pauly | Sicelo: ? |
| 15:32.41 | SpeedEvil | Pastebin your powertop output |
| 15:32.42 | moo_ | i am not asking help with power issues |
| 15:33.07 | SpeedEvil | Do you have any battery monitoring software running? |
| 15:33.15 | moo_ | no |
| 15:33.38 | moo_ | there is nothing wrong with my setup just now |
| 15:33.44 | SpeedEvil | moo_: There is. |
| 15:33.44 | moo_ | battery is fine |
| 15:33.55 | moo_ | orly? |
| 15:33.58 | SpeedEvil | BME should not b significantly active when device is unplugged. |
| 15:34.14 | moo_ | ok, il give you a ptop then |
| 15:34.40 | SpeedEvil | device unplugged - offline mode - with device locked |
| 15:35.45 | moo_ | with device unplugged, offline mode+ locked i get around 500wakups/s with around 2seconds in c4 |
| 15:36.10 | moo_ | which is about the same as a freshly flashed n900 |
| 15:36.27 | moo_ | which is normal |
| 15:36.51 | SpeedEvil | Wakeups/second is misleading. |
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| 15:36.56 | SpeedEvil | You almost don't care about it. |
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| 15:37.14 | SpeedEvil | You care about wakeups from C4 lots more than you care about wakeups from C1 |
| 15:37.20 | SpeedEvil | But they are all reported the same |
| 15:37.24 | moo_ | agree |
| 15:41.39 | moo_ | ok here is what im gonna do |
| 15:43.05 | moo_ | when the dbus inactivity message is sent i will underclock, undervolt and stop bme. |
| 15:43.27 | moo_ | when the phone is unlocked bme starts again. |
| 15:43.52 | moo_ | bme will only be stopped IF the charger is unplugged. |
| 15:44.27 | moo_ | that way when phone is in pocket (most of the time) bme will not be running |
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| 15:45.02 | moo_ | thus saving me ~250 hw w/s |
| 15:45.25 | SpeedEvil | Pointless. |
| 15:45.35 | moo_ | pointless? |
| 15:45.54 | SpeedEvil | I've had 8 days battery life, with logged into wifi, with BME running. |
| 15:46.08 | SpeedEvil | And cell modem on |
| 15:46.10 | moo_ | 8 days? |
| 15:46.12 | Sicelo | wow! |
| 15:46.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 15:46.15 | moo_ | what? |
| 15:46.16 | Hukka | SpeedEvil: How? |
| 15:46.24 | moo_ | i dont believ you! |
| 15:46.24 | Hukka | Is your phone just magical? |
| 15:46.29 | moo_ | how. |
| 15:46.32 | moo_ | ? |
| 15:46.34 | SpeedEvil | Leave the device idle - have a properly powersaving AP. |
| 15:46.46 | SpeedEvil | And not have any software that's doing bad stuff. |
| 15:46.53 | moo_ | agree |
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| 15:47.11 | moo_ | don't believe 8 days though |
| 15:47.24 | SpeedEvil | checks. |
| 15:47.32 | SpeedEvil | It was around that. |
| 15:47.33 | Corsac | well, if you leave the device idle battery life doesn't really matter, you could switch it off and it would last weeks :) |
| 15:47.48 | moo_ | ha! |
| 15:47.59 | moo_ | n900 sucks a paperweight |
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| 15:48.20 | kerio | i didn't know paperweights needed a battery |
| 15:48.43 | SpeedEvil | I regularly get power consumption rates in the 6-8mA range. This equates to about 8 days. |
| 15:48.56 | SpeedEvil | And I did a test over about 6 days of minimal usage |
| 15:49.00 | moo_ | if i wanted crazy batterylife i would have a monochrome nokia |
| 15:49.24 | SpeedEvil | Installing powerrtop again to check. |
| 15:49.50 | moo_ | pt doesnt tell you the discharge current |
| 15:50.04 | SpeedEvil | No. it doesn't. |
| 15:50.07 | moo_ | where are you getting that 6-8 figure from. |
| 15:50.09 | moo_ | ? |
| 15:50.30 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management |
| 15:50.36 | SpeedEvil | Read that - which I mostly wrote. |
| 15:52.18 | moo_ | that looks like an interesting read SpeedEvil |
| 15:52.23 | moo_ | thank you |
| 15:52.26 | moo_ | brb! |
| 15:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | 100% same page with SpeedEvil |
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| 15:55.23 | SpeedEvil | What would be truly awesome would be a powertop that gave the pid/activity/name chart - but *12 - for each state to each other state |
| 15:55.50 | SpeedEvil | What you really care about is what woke it from C4. |
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| 15:55.59 | SpeedEvil | Not what the system chose to do while it was awake. |
| 15:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: there are no 12 state transitions. The state machine diagram has pointers *from* c1..c5 ->c0 only |
| 15:57.23 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 15:57.24 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | there's never a c5->c3 transition |
| 15:57.44 | derf | I've always found powertop to be mostly useless. |
| 15:57.44 | SpeedEvil | I suppose so. |
| 15:57.49 | SpeedEvil | Obvious really. |
| 15:58.06 | SpeedEvil | derf: It's mostly uselss - if you read it like top. |
| 15:58.13 | SpeedEvil | derf: You need to understand what it means. |
| 15:58.25 | derf | As the vast majority of the wakeups it reports are "kernel timer", and doesn't give any obvious way to associate those with processes, or even any specific activity. |
| 15:58.41 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 15:58.47 | SpeedEvil | Also see the comedic 'awk' reference. |
| 16:00.05 | Sicelo | never knew there is screen for N900. wow! |
| 16:00.39 | trx | damn i lost my stylus :/ |
| 16:00.59 | trx | i dont even use it but i hate looking at the empty slot :/ |
| 16:02.08 | Hukka | trx: Bubble gum :? |
| 16:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | chewinggum |
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| 16:02.19 | moo_ | trx: go on deal extreme they are lie $1 |
| 16:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 16:02.21 | trx | haha :) |
| 16:02.31 | trx | moo_ tnx |
| 16:02.43 | moo_ | DocScrutinizer: what ever became of jr_bme? |
| 16:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | riping |
| 16:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 16:02.57 | Hukka | Though if color matters, I'm sure there's children's molding wax too |
| 16:03.24 | moo_ | DocScrutinizer: what like fruit? |
| 16:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | more like brandy |
| 16:03.58 | trx | lol |
| 16:04.04 | moo_ | so i gotta wait for jr_bme XO edition? |
| 16:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | look at http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge.sh.txt |
| 16:05.00 | moo_ | I have seen the script |
| 16:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | there are details in bme that are a pita to emulate, like hal_addon_bme for proper battery charge reporting |
| 16:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | monitoring of sysfs for detecting plug in of charger without polling |
| 16:06.13 | moo_ | charger has a dbus signal |
| 16:06.23 | moo_ | no polling required |
| 16:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | only when bme is running ;-P |
| 16:06.36 | moo_ | orly? |
| 16:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | afaik yes |
| 16:06.43 | moo_ | dang |
| 16:07.03 | moo_ | gotta check this...brb |
| 16:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | charger plugin is detected in musb_hdrc.ko (the part where you can find the "some asshole called chargerdetect" comment in hostmode enabled kernel) and that's what bme does and why we needed to stop it (among other reasons) for h-e-n to work properly |
| 16:09.23 | ShadowJK | bme is the one that generates the dbus signal |
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| 16:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | actually that function in musb_hdrc gets called when you read /sys/*/charger |
| 16:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | bme does that |
| 16:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, what you want to detect is /sys/*/vbus |
| 16:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | dunno who does that, guess it's bme as well |
| 16:12.36 | moo_ | there is a dbus message there |
| 16:13.09 | moo_ | ok |
| 16:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | of course there's hulda as well |
| 16:13.40 | moo_ | /quit |
| 16:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it plays the game |
| 16:15.02 | gn00b | anyone have an N900 that suddenly won't charge? i've always used the usb > computer to charge my phone, but now it doesn't work. tried the wall charger and that doesn't work either. |
| 16:15.24 | Hukka | Has the usb socket come off the board? |
| 16:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | bad news |
| 16:15.39 | gn00b | does nokia make a charger just for the battery? |
| 16:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 16:15.51 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 16:15.56 | gn00b | Hukka, no. it works for other devices |
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| 16:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 16:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | gn00b: we're talking bout N900 USB receptacle |
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| 16:16.46 | gn00b | yes |
| 16:16.50 | Hukka | Time to ask again: Does anyone know if there's a way to programmatically disable the proximity sensor? More precisely I'd like calls to be visible and enable the touchscreen even when in a pocket |
| 16:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | that's a function of dialer I guess |
| 16:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | can't get changed easily |
| 16:17.39 | MohammadAG | unless you disable it in mce |
| 16:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 16:17.53 | Hukka | MohammadAG: Could you elaborate? |
| 16:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | good point |
| 16:18.23 | MohammadAG | edit /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 16:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | head /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 16:18.31 | MohammadAG | line Modules= |
| 16:18.34 | MohammadAG | remove callstate |
| 16:18.45 | MohammadAG | stop mce && sleep 1 && start mce |
| 16:19.00 | MohammadAG | that will also keep ts vibra active during calls |
| 16:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | nice :-P |
| 16:19.32 | MohammadAG | right now haptic feedback is disabled in calls, for some reason... |
| 16:19.45 | Hukka | Hm? |
| 16:19.50 | Hukka | I do get vibra when called |
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| 16:20.00 | MohammadAG | Hukka, after answering |
| 16:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | touchscreen feedback kick |
| 16:20.14 | MohammadAG | during calls, you don't get vibra feedback when you touch the screen |
| 16:20.23 | MohammadAG | of course, you could have that disabled all in all |
| 16:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | usually |
| 16:20.39 | Hukka | Ah, yeah I have touch vibra off all the time |
| 16:20.44 | Hukka | Haven't ever noticed :) |
| 16:20.53 | MohammadAG | so it shouldn't matter to you :p |
| 16:21.26 | Hukka | Hm? FAM want's to remove my flac support in upgrade |
| 16:21.28 | Hukka | I wonder why |
| 16:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | but watch your earlobes then :-D |
| 16:21.35 | MohammadAG | ponders removing the homekey module |
| 16:21.38 | MohammadAG | it's not like we have a homekey |
| 16:21.39 | Hukka | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 16:21.53 | MohammadAG | he means touchscreen will be active in call |
| 16:22.02 | Hukka | Ah, doesn't matter |
| 16:22.05 | MohammadAG | tbh, Nokia's current solution sucks |
| 16:22.08 | Hukka | I'll use handsfree or speaker |
| 16:22.12 | MohammadAG | they could just disable the screen |
| 16:22.19 | MohammadAG | rather than turn it off |
| 16:22.37 | Hukka | MohammadAG: Sorry, what's the difference? |
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| 16:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it makes for 35% increased call time |
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| 16:22.56 | pupnik | http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/obama-internet-kill-switch-proposed-20100618-yln6.html |
| 16:23.18 | MohammadAG | echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts |
| 16:23.26 | MohammadAG | that disables the touchscreen |
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| 16:23.35 | MohammadAG | but keeps it on |
| 16:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 16:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | didn't know |
| 16:24.30 | MohammadAG | there's also keypad disable somewhere |
| 16:24.38 | MohammadAG | basically, that's what mce does |
| 16:24.40 | Hukka | I was hoping for something like that for the proximity sensor, but I'll try the mce thing |
| 16:24.48 | MohammadAG | it disables the screen and blanks it |
| 16:24.52 | MohammadAG | that's the "lock" |
| 16:25.17 | Hukka | MohammadAG: You woudln't happen to know if there's a way to change the autolock feature from command line? |
| 16:25.27 | MohammadAG | gconf |
| 16:25.34 | Hukka | I'd also like the screen to react to touch after blanking in two minutes |
| 16:25.50 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 16:26.03 | Hukka | But would like to make a small applet on home screen that can change this, so I wouldn't have to go to the settings all the time |
| 16:26.05 | MohammadAG | isn't there an option for that? |
| 16:26.10 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 16:26.14 | MohammadAG | yeah, gconf |
| 16:26.28 | Hukka | Any hints where to find the right toggle? |
| 16:26.44 | MohammadAG | you can find the gconf keys here http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-applet-display |
| 16:26.48 | Hukka | Ok, thank you |
| 16:26.55 | MohammadAG | under src, should be in the #define-s |
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| 16:27.15 | moo_ | yo |
| 16:27.30 | moo_ | ok |
| 16:27.30 | moo_ | oy |
| 16:27.46 | Hukka | Great, I think this should cover it |
| 16:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | moo_: ?? |
| 16:27.51 | moo_ | will turning off watchdog timers reduce number of hardware wakups. |
| 16:28.00 | moo_ | ? |
| 16:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | not significantly |
| 16:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | actually not at all |
| 16:28.46 | Hukka | MohammadAG: I have a transparent pocket in my bikes handlebar bag, but it prevents access to the side keys, and proximity sensor doesn't think it's that transparent. Now I can create a "bikemode" applet that in one click makes the phone operatable through the pocket plastic |
| 16:29.08 | Hukka | And once I'm done, another press would make it work ok in my trouser pocket again |
| 16:29.19 | MohammadAG | ah, should be easy |
| 16:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | Hukka: sounds good |
| 16:30.02 | moo_ | how can i have right click with prox sensor covered? |
| 16:30.18 | Hukka | Though when I asked before I only got the usual "Why do you want to use it in a pocket? Make a hole in the pocket or something. I hear that some fabrics can make the sensor think it's outside" |
| 16:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, nice idea |
| 16:30.45 | moo_ | DocScrutinizer: me? |
| 16:30.51 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 16:31.17 | Hukka | Also I think the applet should change the status lights so that I don't leave it on accidentaly and make pocket calls |
| 16:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | Hukka: np, you can change mce.ini for that |
| 16:31.53 | moo_ | finally, everyday i spend literally minutes inventing schemes to suggest in here under different user names just to impress you doc. |
| 16:31.57 | Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, that I already knew |
| 16:32.02 | moo_ | now i can sleep |
| 16:32.04 | MohammadAG | well, he can't change mce.ini dynamically :P |
| 16:32.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: huh, he can't? |
| 16:32.54 | Hukka | I can't? |
| 16:33.10 | moo_ | you have to restat mce AFAIK |
| 16:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | pattern editor can |
| 16:33.17 | Hukka | But is that a problem? |
| 16:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 16:33.27 | MohammadAG | he has to restart it |
| 16:33.32 | Hukka | MohammadAG: Any downsides? |
| 16:33.56 | MohammadAG | no, but do it over 5 times quickly and it locks for 5 minutes |
| 16:34.02 | Hukka | Oh, why? |
| 16:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | not really, except losing any special state of indicator light, like blue blinking |
| 16:34.14 | MohammadAG | stupid upstart safety feature |
| 16:34.24 | jacekowski | you probably can modify patterns live |
| 16:34.26 | Hukka | How quickly is quickly? |
| 16:34.30 | jacekowski | i mean it's all in memory |
| 16:34.35 | MohammadAG | 5 times under a minute |
| 16:34.42 | Hukka | MohammadAG: No problem at all |
| 16:34.46 | moo_ | so which driver detects touchscreen input? and how is a 'click' detected? |
| 16:34.48 | jacekowski | and there is nothing stopping you from modyfying of process memory |
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| 16:35.19 | MohammadAG | I guess |
| 16:35.34 | Hukka | Moving on in the list of "perfect cycle phone", is there a good portrait mode clock application? |
| 16:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: evil hax0r |
| 16:35.55 | Hukka | Using the alarm clock app is a bit annoying, since the phone pocket is in portrait |
| 16:35.56 | MohammadAG | tsc2005.ko |
| 16:35.57 | MohammadAG | the touchscreen is a glorified mouse |
| 16:36.22 | RST38h | "To access HBO GO^(SM), you must reside within the fifty states of the United States of America. |
| 16:36.22 | MohammadAG | Hukka, not that I know of, but one should be easy to make with Qt |
| 16:36.24 | RST38h | If you reside in this area and are still experiencing difficulties, please contact your television provider." |
| 16:36.38 | RST38h | (and then they complain about people using torrents...) |
| 16:37.16 | Hukka | Hm, although maybe a talking clock would be even better... |
| 16:37.28 | Hukka | I'll check that app too |
| 16:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | now THAT is simple |
| 16:37.34 | moo_ | where is the source? and is it feasible to put a condition that reports the click 'check proxitity sensor, if 1, right click. else left. |
| 16:37.39 | Hukka | MohammadAG: Does the order of modules in mce.ini matter? |
| 16:37.51 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 16:37.54 | Hukka | Would be easier to programmaticly add the callstate back as the last in line. |
| 16:37.56 | Hukka | Ok, great |
| 16:38.49 | MohammadAG | moo_, not sure how easy that'd be |
| 16:39.00 | jacekowski | moo_: not so easy |
| 16:39.11 | moo_ | bah |
| 16:39.12 | MohammadAG | you'd need to connect two drivers together, or modify X's config |
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| 16:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | hmm layering issues |
| 16:39.53 | moo_ | my dreams of a rightclick evapourate like spirit of christmas past@3am |
| 16:40.05 | MohammadAG | I also think there's a way of modifying UX toolkits |
| 16:40.19 | MohammadAG | you might be able to modify Qt and Gtk's sources to do that |
| 16:40.26 | Hukka | MohammadAG: Hm, removing the callstate module didn't really do what I was hoping for... |
| 16:40.45 | MohammadAG | they're already modifed to have hold to right click |
| 16:40.46 | MohammadAG | Hukka, hmm? |
| 16:40.46 | Hukka | MohammadAG: If the screen is blanked, it won't activate it at all, no matter what the proximity sensor says |
| 16:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 16:41.06 | MohammadAG | you mean when a call comes in? |
| 16:41.06 | Hukka | I'd like the screen to get activated all the time, no matter whether it thinks it's in a pocket or not |
| 16:41.10 | Hukka | MohammadAG: Yes |
| 16:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | it's not aware of callstate anymore ;-P |
| 16:41.17 | MohammadAG | make a quick script for it |
| 16:41.27 | MohammadAG | just listen to dbus |
| 16:41.37 | MohammadAG | com.nokia.csd.Call or something |
| 16:41.49 | Hukka | Ok, and how to activate the screen? |
| 16:41.53 | MohammadAG | then tie that to unlock the screen with mce |
| 16:41.54 | MohammadAG | mce |
| 16:42.14 | MohammadAG | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"unlocked" |
| 16:42.17 | Hukka | Is there a howto page on the mce somewhere? |
| 16:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 16:42.53 | MohammadAG | dbus-scripts can help, but I suck at it so I'd rather make a Qt daemon |
| 16:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | but we got source of *something* \o/ |
| 16:43.14 | Hukka | dbus-scripts is an app, or something? |
| 16:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 16:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | a nice app |
| 16:43.31 | moo_ | hey mo, what is gps callback in 'phone-control'? |
| 16:43.35 | Hukka | How would the Qt daemon differ, it needs to bind to the dbus anyway? |
| 16:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | to monitor dbus for certain patterns and then start arbitrary scripts |
| 16:43.45 | MohammadAG | it ties dbus events to dbus methods afaik |
| 16:43.52 | moo_ | Hukka: dbus-scripts is the n900 swiss chainsaw |
| 16:44.03 | moo_ | Hukka: of scripting |
| 16:44.12 | Hukka | Maybe I'll see that first |
| 16:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | I strongly recomend to do that |
| 16:44.45 | Hukka | Might be that I never even bother to make a desktop app, instead just run the mode change from terminal every time ;) |
| 16:44.46 | MohammadAG | phone-control --gps? |
| 16:44.53 | moo_ | Hukka: dbus-scripts-settings is also useful for getting started too. |
| 16:45.20 | Hukka | Would it make sense to have my script to change the indicator colors "manually", or would it be better to use another app for that (I know there are some for changing the colors)? |
| 16:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | Hukka: queen-beecon widget? |
| 16:45.31 | Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Never heard of that, I'll check it |
| 16:45.50 | moo_ | MohammadAG: in the source for PC there is an 'experimental' function for gps that is not listed |
| 16:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | moo_: dbus-scripts-settings is kinda PITA and buggy |
| 16:46.01 | Hukka | DocScrutinizer: Seems like it might be nice too |
| 16:46.06 | moo_ | i was wondering what it does |
| 16:46.27 | pupnik | what's the command to make a screenshot |
| 16:46.29 | pupnik | on n900 |
| 16:46.34 | moo_ | DocScrutinizer: agree, however it helped me understand what was going on |
| 16:46.58 | moo_ | with dbus-scripts |
| 16:47.15 | Hukka | Where can I find the dbus-scripts? FAM doesn't find it |
| 16:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I think I looked at an own homemade example of -settings, then edited the file to match what I needed |
| 16:47.33 | Hukka | Hm, found the wiki page |
| 16:47.57 | Hukka | Weird, I thought I still have extras-devel on |
| 16:48.16 | Hukka | Yeah, I do. Still no hit |
| 16:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | use HAM! |
| 16:49.10 | SpeedEvil | Hukka: I would try putting a small bit of foil and black insulation tap over the sensor, and see if it doesn't see either |
| 16:49.37 | Hukka | SpeedEvil: I'm more of a sw than hw hacker ;) |
| 16:49.37 | SpeedEvil | Is there a 'right' way to stop dsme? |
| 16:49.42 | pupnik | The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle. |
| 16:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | stop dsme? err no, maybe not |
| 16:50.33 | SpeedEvil | I only know that name from: http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/poems/pgbridge.htm |
| 16:50.34 | Hukka | SpeedEvil: But I don't quite get it, the foil reflects so isn't that exactly what the sensor sees as the pocket? |
| 16:50.42 | SpeedEvil | Hukka: I don't know |
| 16:50.49 | Hukka | At least someone said that it uses reflections |
| 16:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | Hukka: yes |
| 16:51.01 | SpeedEvil | BEAUTIFUL Railway Bridge of the Silvery Tay ! |
| 16:51.01 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.01 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.01 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | you could try black velvet or similar |
| 16:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 16:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | this time and today for real |
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| 16:53.45 | moo | lol random reboot due to all my crap scriptz |
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| 16:54.29 | moo_ | what is the entry in /sys/ that details charger? |
| 16:55.37 | moo_ | musb_hdrc |
| 16:55.40 | moo_ | gotcha |
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| 17:17.17 | nusse | where do the ULOG_DEBUG_L() logs go to? |
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| 17:26.59 | MohammadAG | who knows curl? |
| 17:27.14 | Corsac | ask? |
| 17:27.46 | nusse | never heard of it |
| 17:27.52 | nusse | ULOG_* goes to syslog, btw. |
| 17:28.41 | nusse | is there a special maemo-dev channel? |
| 17:28.49 | ruskie | yup |
| 17:28.50 | ruskie | -devel |
| 17:28.53 | MohammadAG | variable= {variable2=value, variable3=anothervalue } |
| 17:29.04 | MohammadAG | what do the {} brackets do? |
| 17:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | rather dead over there at -devel |
| 17:29.23 | nusse | ruskie: thx |
| 17:30.03 | nusse | DocScrutinizer: i didn't receive any answers here either |
| 17:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe because nobody knew an answer? |
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| 17:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: looks like python? |
| 17:32.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nah, curl |
| 17:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 17:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's caled curl because of the curly brackets |
| 17:33.53 | nusse | i'm wondering if the sharing-infrastructure always needs an account, i receive "sharing_account_store_add_account need to create new last added id" |
| 17:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | looks like a definition of a dict/struct instance |
| 17:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | what makes you all think anybody here knows what you're talking about? |
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| 17:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | feels like |
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| 17:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | shall I use a better word for 'people' in line 7 of this letter? |
| 17:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | (sic!) |
| 17:39.13 | nusse | well, this is the #maemo channel and i'm asking maemo questions |
| 17:39.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: python uses : to delimit keys and values in dict literals |
| 17:41.05 | RST38h | Doc:using "puny humans" always makes it sound more official |
| 17:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~question |
| 17:42.14 | infobot | methinks question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 17:42.31 | Sicelo | :) |
| 17:42.40 | dashavoo | anybody have problems tethering N900 in the latest Ubuntu? |
| 17:43.38 | nusse | dashavoo: pand didnt work for me but it might be a problem on my laptop |
| 17:44.41 | dashavoo | nusse: I can't tether using USB on the latest Ubuntu.. I knew I should have installed alongside my old version insead of a fresh install... now I have no software, and no internet cconnection |
| 17:44.52 | dashavoo | I would be really screwed if I didn't have my laptop |
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| 18:05.20 | kr1shnak | hi. I have an old N800 device which I would like to so some hobbyist hacking on. I just want to play around, not spend a lot of time on any particular language or APIs. Could anyone recommend tools, libraries for this kind of fun hacking? |
| 18:06.06 | kr1shnak | basically I want to put the minimal amount of time into this, but want to make use of the hardware. Maybe create some kind of pimped out alarm clock from it or something like that |
| 18:09.10 | pupnik | use it |
| 18:10.08 | dangergrrl | hey DocScrutinizer and MohammadAG thanks for the pointer on the modified fmtxd, i can transmit on illegal freqs while charging now :) |
| 18:11.01 | dangergrrl | of course the xmit on illegal freqs part isn't all that useful i only have legal receivers :) |
| 18:11.03 | pupnik | dangergrrl: did you download the guantanamo detainee list |
| 18:11.08 | pupnik | from google spreadsheets? |
| 18:11.29 | dangergrrl | no, why should i look for myself in case they think i am there? :) |
| 18:11.44 | pupnik | there are still people locked in that dungeon |
| 18:11.47 | pupnik | we should free them |
| 18:12.10 | dangergrrl | yes and usa and uk and the others need to leave afghanistan |
| 18:12.28 | pupnik | this needs to be forcefully said |
| 18:12.34 | dangergrrl | osama bin laden was the goal, he is reportedly dead |
| 18:12.40 | dangergrrl | fait accompli |
| 18:12.57 | pupnik | i agree |
| 18:13.05 | pupnik | now is the excuse to go home |
| 18:13.06 | dangergrrl | well, i voted for the guy who promised those things |
| 18:13.14 | dangergrrl | so far he hasn't kept his word |
| 18:13.26 | pupnik | should have supported ron paul |
| 18:13.30 | dangergrrl | but i did my part |
| 18:13.36 | pupnik | you have another chance |
| 18:13.49 | pupnik | to not be stupid this time |
| 18:13.55 | dangergrrl | and i voted for my gay congresscreep |
| 18:14.22 | dangergrrl | so i don't bother writing him letters to repeal DOMA |
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| 18:14.39 | pupnik | there is one good man in congress |
| 18:14.43 | dangergrrl | you would think he knows his constituents support that |
| 18:14.44 | pupnik | he is only there |
| 18:14.46 | dangergrrl | rol paul? |
| 18:14.49 | dangergrrl | ron |
| 18:14.55 | pupnik | because he delivered most of his constitutents |
| 18:14.58 | pupnik | yep |
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| 18:15.24 | dangergrrl | i voted for him for president on the libertarian ticket |
| 18:15.34 | pupnik | suddenly i love you |
| 18:15.35 | pupnik | :) |
| 18:15.59 | dangergrrl | if i hadn't been scared stiff of sarah palin i would have voted for nader last time tbh |
| 18:16.19 | dangergrrl | i believe in the green party agenda |
| 18:16.32 | dangergrrl | but mccain/palin was scary |
| 18:16.36 | dangergrrl | mccain is OLD |
| 18:16.37 | pupnik | i agree |
| 18:16.50 | pupnik | please check out scott horton's show every day |
| 18:17.08 | pupnik | he is truly great |
| 18:17.17 | dangergrrl | i should listen to a recent art bell or alex jones show |
| 18:17.27 | pupnik | noo |
| 18:17.30 | dangergrrl | both of them are certifiable crackpots |
| 18:17.31 | pupnik | dumb dumb |
| 18:17.37 | pupnik | scott horton |
| 18:17.44 | dangergrrl | but some of what they say has to be true |
| 18:17.44 | pupnik | smart smart |
| 18:17.52 | pupnik | don't waste your time |
| 18:18.02 | pupnik | how the hell do you not know antiwar radio |
| 18:18.08 | pupnik | how are you so... uninformed |
| 18:18.09 | dangergrrl | i don't buy the orbital mind control satellites |
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| 18:18.24 | dangergrrl | or the reptiallian shadow government conspiracy |
| 18:18.29 | pupnik | i am angry and dismayed at you |
| 18:18.39 | pupnik | you are talking about stupid things |
| 18:18.44 | dangergrrl | someone would know if our leaders were secretly snakes |
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| 18:18.53 | pupnik | shut the fuck up |
| 18:19.43 | dangergrrl | but the govt is feeding 9/11 conspiracy theory by not releasing proof of obl's death in a timely fashion |
| 18:20.09 | pupnik | dumb bitch |
| 18:20.12 | pupnik | learn |
| 18:20.15 | pupnik | antiwar.com |
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| 18:21.21 | trx | o_O |
| 18:21.47 | dangergrrl | i like the www he linked |
| 18:22.13 | dangergrrl | i still believe there is value in listening to nutjobs |
| 18:22.43 | trx | you shouldn't talk about topics that can lead to exactly this anyways.. |
| 18:23.30 | dangergrrl | i think mentioning illegal broadcasting led to this :) |
| 18:23.52 | trx | lol |
| 18:24.31 | dangergrrl | in practice the part of the band that my n900 can now transmit to is being used for greyspace internet in some cities |
| 18:24.53 | dangergrrl | i wouldn't want to interfere with those signals |
| 18:25.26 | MohammadAG | but FM stations already interfere with your music, so the effects' downsides are canceled out :P |
| 18:25.33 | dangergrrl | if i had another n900 it could be useful for point to point |
| 18:26.17 | dangergrrl | i'm wanting a way to enable the mic and fm transmitter from ssh if it's stolen |
| 18:27.30 | trx | why the transmitter? |
| 18:27.54 | dangergrrl | so you can hear around the n900 from a fm radio if you are nearby |
| 18:28.24 | trx | haha, the small chance that you will be in 3 meters of your stolen n900 |
| 18:28.32 | dangergrrl | i think the n900 may make a fairly handy spy device also other than short battery life |
| 18:28.34 | dangergrrl | oh |
| 18:28.35 | trx | its a* |
| 18:28.38 | dangergrrl | maybe not :P |
| 18:29.04 | dangergrrl | actually it only works for about a meter on my bike radio |
| 18:29.20 | dangergrrl | didn't think of that |
| 18:29.25 | trx | even better :) |
| 18:29.25 | dangergrrl | never mind |
| 18:29.29 | dangergrrl | i'm a blonde |
| 18:29.45 | trx | it would be easier to just play music via the speakers :) |
| 18:30.18 | dangergrrl | but i'm guessing that's partially the ignition rf noise |
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| 18:31.14 | dangergrrl | n900 works on the motorcycle if it's closer to the radio than my spark plugs |
| 18:31.19 | dangergrrl | probably in my head |
| 18:31.52 | trx | probably :) |
| 18:31.56 | iluminator101 | Hey, How Do I Import Public Holidays to n900 main calender? |
| 18:32.16 | dangergrrl | uhm |
| 18:32.23 | dangergrrl | i bet they are in cal format somewhere |
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| 18:33.12 | dangergrrl | oh wow |
| 18:33.28 | dangergrrl | the bl-5j stores 1320 mAh |
| 18:33.46 | dangergrrl | my new jump pack 12Ah |
| 18:34.02 | dangergrrl | so it should be able to fully charge n900 like 9 times |
| 18:34.56 | dangergrrl | but it's usb port won't charge n900, have to use a car charger with it |
| 18:35.09 | SpeedEvil | 'jump pack' ? |
| 18:35.31 | SpeedEvil | If that's 12V@12Ah - that is more like 25 times. |
| 18:35.34 | dangergrrl | portable battery booster for starting a car or motorcycle |
| 18:35.51 | dangergrrl | 25 times... even better |
| 18:36.19 | dangergrrl | i was thinking of buying a powermonkey extreme solar charger for camping at the beach |
| 18:37.10 | dangergrrl | this thing needs a vehicle or grid power to recharge |
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| 18:38.16 | dangergrrl | but it was only $60us, powermonkey extreme isn't shipping for several weeks and costs 100gbp |
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| 18:42.13 | SpeedEvil | You can get solar thingies that will recharge it |
| 18:43.26 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOLAR-12W-12V-POWER-GENERATOR-CHARGER-PANEL-PORTABLE-/190466890893?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item2c58b61c8d |
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| 18:45.39 | dangergrrl | it's one of these: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/8iOx0WirtIeGqfXrYATATGBiq5frSBLUYp7dIeyT-UI?feat=directlink |
| 18:46.08 | dangergrrl | nice camping equipment but i wish i had a trailer |
| 18:47.08 | SpeedEvil | Caveats - if you discharge it deeply, and then leave it, it's probably wrecked. It needs to be recharged promptly if you discharge it under 10.6V |
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| 18:47.45 | dangergrrl | if i use it camping i'll be hiking to charge it when it gets low |
| 18:48.05 | dangergrrl | i bought it because i was stranded with a dead battery yesterday |
| 18:48.26 | dangergrrl | it was a jump pak or cables and sit around looking dumb holding cables |
| 18:48.53 | dangergrrl | i'd have gotten a jump i'm sure but the jump pak is more useful |
| 18:49.40 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12V-12W-Polycrystalline-Household-Car-Solar-Power-Panel-/130441557699?pt=AU_Solar&hash=item1e5eec36c3 - or similar - would charge it in 2-3 days of good sun |
| 18:49.46 | dangergrrl | i presume it's a dry cell battery or there would be warnings about charging it indoors |
| 18:50.38 | dangergrrl | https://powertraveller.com/iwantsome/primatepower/powermonkeyextreme/ |
| 18:50.46 | dangergrrl | looking at that one lustfully |
| 18:50.48 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
| 18:50.54 | SpeedEvil | It'll be a sealed lead-acid. |
| 18:52.30 | dangergrrl | been shopping for an agm one for my motorcycle i think the walmart lead acid one i have is dieing |
| 18:53.11 | dangergrrl | but i guess if i carry a jump pack i won't care that much |
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| 18:53.23 | SpeedEvil | As context - the battery you have is 4-5 times that capacity. |
| 18:53.35 | SpeedEvil | (though admittedly a bit heavier than 5*) |
| 18:54.19 | dangergrrl | 4-5* the powermonkey extreme? |
| 18:54.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 18:54.55 | dangergrrl | but the powermonkey comes with the solar charger |
| 18:55.13 | RST38h | No, you cannot charge your car or bike battery with solar power. |
| 18:55.17 | dangergrrl | and it's rated better than the solio |
| 18:55.23 | RST38h | -- Sincerely Yours, Cpt Obvious |
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| 18:55.48 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Err - yes, you can. |
| 18:55.59 | RST38h | Speed: Ok, theoretically you can/ |
| 18:56.10 | SpeedEvil | See the above link |
| 18:56.12 | RST38h | Practically, you are screwed there |
| 18:56.29 | dangergrrl | actually i bet i could charge this jump box enough to get er started if i were camping anyhow |
| 18:56.39 | dangergrrl | might take a day or three |
| 18:56.40 | SpeedEvil | The above panel will work - if in good sun and pointed right - to charge it in about a day or two |
| 18:57.26 | dangergrrl | that panel with what i already have would be a great combo for camping at the beach |
| 18:57.31 | RST38h | Or a week, yes |
| 18:58.03 | RST38h | Forget it, it is snake oil |
| 18:58.06 | SpeedEvil | A week of bad weather, yes |
| 18:58.30 | RST38h | month of bad weather |
| 18:58.51 | jacekowski | is official repository blocked in iran or something? |
| 18:59.05 | dangergrrl | oh hai jacekowski |
| 18:59.05 | jacekowski | i've had recently quite a lot of traffic to my repo mirror from iran |
| 18:59.14 | dangergrrl | thanks for the fmtx hack |
| 18:59.50 | jacekowski | who are you? |
| 19:00.24 | ShadowJK | Yeah I think it's blockdd in iran |
| 19:00.25 | dangergrrl | someone who was referred to your page yesterday when i lamented not being to charge my n900 with using the fm transmitter |
| 19:01.39 | dangergrrl | getting ready for an epic motorcycle trip, need my pandora on the road :) |
| 19:02.15 | SpeedEvil | If you're on a motorbike trip - driving lots - then you can tap the bike power |
| 19:02.23 | trx | what motorcycle do you have? |
| 19:02.35 | dangergrrl | a gold wing gl1500 |
| 19:03.26 | trx | nice |
| 19:03.30 | trx | not a fan of those bikes tho |
| 19:03.42 | dangergrrl | i was gonna hack my own secondary power system |
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| 19:04.01 | dangergrrl | but i think the jump pak is a superior solution if i have room for it |
| 19:04.25 | trx | bikes usually get 12V from their generator |
| 19:04.32 | trx | why don't you use that? |
| 19:05.16 | jacekowski | dangergrrl: are you a female? |
| 19:05.21 | dangergrrl | yes |
| 19:05.41 | dangergrrl | key cylinder is blown and it's supereasy to take the key out in on position |
| 19:05.42 | jacekowski | hmm, unusual |
| 19:05.55 | dangergrrl | battery drains and you can't start |
| 19:06.00 | jacekowski | do you have any photos to prove it |
| 19:06.12 | jacekowski | like you holding a piece of paper with text like "maemo ftw" |
| 19:06.15 | jacekowski | and current data |
| 19:06.17 | jacekowski | date* |
| 19:06.18 | SpeedEvil | notes jacekowski wants pics of a loose cylinder. |
| 19:06.22 | trx | lol |
| 19:06.43 | nox- | haha |
| 19:07.17 | RST38h | current datE, jacekowski |
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| 19:07.37 | jacekowski | RST38h: i've corrected myself in next line |
| 19:07.50 | RST38h | and something is telling me, you are not getting one |
| 19:07.59 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
| 19:08.35 | dangergrrl | maybe i'm ugly and self conscious :P |
| 19:08.49 | RST38h | or REALLY interested in loose cylinders! |
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| 19:14.47 | trx | haha |
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| 19:32.19 | nusse | can anyone point me out how to debug sharing-plugsin? |
| 19:32.46 | RST38h | printfs? |
| 19:32.52 | nusse | where do they go to? |
| 19:33.13 | RST38h | wherever you direct them to |
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| 19:34.41 | nusse | i'd like to use ULOG_ then |
| 19:34.46 | nusse | or gdb |
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| 19:36.56 | RST38h | You can use GDB if you figure out the PID of the process that runs your plugin |
| 19:37.11 | RST38h | I.e., use printfs :) |
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| 19:39.13 | Arkenoi | http://www.unxisco.com/faqs/ wow, aren't that drugs on controlled substances list? or do those guys have a prescription? |
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| 19:41.36 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Lawyers. They have all got prescriptions. |
| 19:42.15 | MohammadAG | didn't this channel have about 500 users last year? |
| 19:42.17 | nusse | RST38h: i don't even know which methods are being called and i don't see why i shouldn use ULOG |
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| 19:43.39 | RST38h | nusse:ULOG will probably work |
| 19:44.04 | nusse | maybe i have to define OSSOLOG_COMPILE |
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| 19:52.57 | mc_teo | any html/css peeps here? |
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| 20:01.59 | Arkenoi | RST38h, they invested $25M in SCO! I wonder who owns that money and how do they feel about it. |
| 20:06.37 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Some mutual funds. And they do not "feel" about it. |
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| 20:12.11 | Arkenoi | RST38h, something is damn wrong with economics if things like that are allowed and no one cares or questions the competence of people who manage other people's investments |
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| 20:14.27 | RST38h | Arkenoi: people who care do not invest into mutual funds. |
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| 20:17.31 | norayr | X-Fade: hey? |
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| 21:04.30 | pupnik | o/ |
| 21:04.36 | pupnik | be strong, people |
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| 21:21.35 | compengi | this is a second time happens that the virtual keyboard stops to popout |
| 21:21.46 | compengi | it never happened before |
| 21:22.17 | compengi | i use cssu version |
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| 21:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: Iwarn you officially now, the 1.5th time |
| 21:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: next insult will cause action to be taken |
| 21:33.16 | kerio | he's probably drunk |
| 21:33.24 | pupnik | ok |
| 21:33.27 | kerio | he's been talking shit all evening on #liqbase |
| 21:33.44 | pupnik | i'm very angry right now |
| 21:34.11 | pupnik | angry at the people who cause wars |
| 21:34.27 | kerio | also his back hurts |
| 21:34.59 | pupnik | you should see my fists |
| 21:35.03 | Venemo | poor pupnik :( |
| 21:35.03 | pupnik | they are so fast |
| 21:35.22 | pupnik | come visit me Venemo |
| 21:35.56 | Venemo | pupnik, I'm not comfortable around angry people |
| 21:36.44 | pupnik | you're an ok guy, i think... maybe confused |
| 21:36.59 | GAN900 | pupnik, hush now. :P |
| 21:37.34 | pupnik | bombs are lame GAN900 |
| 21:37.38 | compengi | very weird |
| 21:38.06 | GAN900 | pupnik, yes, but OT here if there've been complaints. |
| 21:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | ack! |
| 21:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | was pondering how to say it |
| 21:38.48 | pupnik | i'm just saying i do NOT make bombs... that's LAME. |
| 21:39.00 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 21:39.06 | jacekowski | i made a bombs myself |
| 21:39.10 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 21:39.16 | jacekowski | not as efficient as i expected |
| 21:39.26 | jacekowski | but it was very neat project |
| 21:39.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: you did nothing there |
| 21:39.29 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@unaffiliated/pupnik] by ChanServ |
| 21:39.35 | kerio | oh, there you go |
| 21:39.44 | jacekowski | but hydrogen+oxygen reaction wasn't as powerfull as i wanted it to be |
| 21:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: another 12h do get sober |
| 21:40.30 | kerio | jacekowski: it made water? |
| 21:40.42 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 21:40.49 | kerio | see that's your problem |
| 21:41.01 | jacekowski | but hydrogen and oxygen is used to propel rockets and stuff |
| 21:41.06 | kerio | you should've gotten for hydrogen + hydrogen |
| 21:41.22 | jacekowski | i had H + H + O |
| 21:41.29 | jacekowski | most explosive mix |
| 21:41.32 | kerio | remove the O |
| 21:41.38 | kerio | go for H + H => He |
| 21:41.54 | Venemo | hahah |
| 21:42.09 | BCMM | jacekowski: you had monatomic hydrogen? |
| 21:42.23 | jacekowski | BCMM: for couple seconds |
| 21:42.34 | jacekowski | during reaction |
| 21:42.46 | jacekowski | well maybe milliseconds |
| 21:42.54 | jacekowski | i'm not sure how long it takes for it to recombine |
| 21:43.07 | SpeedEvil | ISTR it's of the order of the mean free path time |
| 21:43.19 | SpeedEvil | Which is a few nanoseconds at STP IIRC |
| 21:44.12 | jacekowski | but it's still explosive |
| 21:44.17 | jacekowski | but not enough |
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| 21:44.41 | jacekowski | i think they have it at much higher pressure than i did |
| 21:44.49 | SpeedEvil | Take liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen, and then blend them. |
| 21:44.52 | jacekowski | in liquid form |
| 21:44.56 | SpeedEvil | Where di you get your H2 and O2 from |
| 21:44.57 | jacekowski | i had them in gas form |
| 21:45.05 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: water |
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| 21:45.23 | SpeedEvil | Made how? |
| 21:45.27 | *** part/#maemo pupnik (~pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik) |
| 21:45.33 | SpeedEvil | With what lectrodes? |
| 21:45.33 | jacekowski | electricity |
| 21:45.42 | jacekowski | don't remember now |
| 21:45.46 | jacekowski | i think i've tried copper |
| 21:45.47 | SpeedEvil | Platinised nioibum is the shizzle. |
| 21:45.48 | jacekowski | and steel |
| 21:45.59 | jacekowski | and aluminium |
| 21:46.09 | SpeedEvil | You may in some cases get almost no O, as that will react with the electrode. |
| 21:46.29 | jacekowski | aluminium should be ok |
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| 21:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | not at all |
| 21:47.21 | jacekowski | anyways it did blow up |
| 21:47.26 | jacekowski | made a loud bang |
| 21:47.35 | jacekowski | but not big enough to blow up my school |
| 21:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | aluminium tends to build up a passivating protective coat of AlO2(?) even at plain air |
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| 21:48.07 | Venemo | jacekowski :D:D:D |
| 21:48.08 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: yeah and then it's not oxidising anymore |
| 21:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | but that coating is instable |
| 21:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | and probably isolating |
| 21:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think Al could be fine for the hydrogen, but probably not for the oxigen |
| 21:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you know Al is oxidizing like mad at seaside? |
| 21:53.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ti-shop.com/ti-anodes-electrodes/pt-ti-anode-electrode/1micron-pt-ti-rod-anode/1mm-dia-1-m-pt-ti-rod-anode.html |
| 21:56.39 | Sazpaimon | whats a decent n900 screen protector |
| 21:57.11 | Sazpaimon | not too rubbery, makes scratches less noticable, you know the deal |
| 21:57.13 | kerio | Sazpaimon: a slab of steel, 8 inches wide |
| 21:57.24 | kerio | it'll protect the screen |
| 21:57.46 | Sazpaimon | herp |
| 21:58.28 | Venemo | lol kerio |
| 21:59.09 | SpeedEvil | I got a pack of 10 cheap ones - working for me. |
| 22:00.08 | jacekowski | i have insurance |
| 22:00.13 | Sazpaimon | does it work well with the stylus and touch? |
| 22:00.15 | jacekowski | insurance with my bak account |
| 22:00.19 | jacekowski | bank* |
| 22:00.28 | jacekowski | it works out cheaper than screen protectors |
| 22:00.54 | SpeedEvil | Would never work out for me. |
| 22:01.15 | SpeedEvil | Consider also that if the n900 bites it, at some point in the near future, you won't get a repair. |
| 22:01.31 | SpeedEvil | I destroy protectors quite regularly. |
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| 22:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: please excuse the offense, I wasn't monitoring the chan back when |
| 22:13.43 | kerio | s/w/t/ |
| 22:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: there's some timeout |
| 22:15.15 | kerio | what timeout? |
| 22:15.18 | kerio | i was correcting you |
| 22:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
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| 22:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | and you're sure about that? |
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| 22:19.43 | kerio | no |
| 22:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/mcgraw-tim/back-when-13621.html |
| 22:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | or meant you to say it's "tasn't" instead of "wasn't" |
| 22:21.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: of course i did |
| 22:21.58 | kerio | regular expressions are deterministic |
| 22:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | I tasn't - that sounds like nonsense to me |
| 22:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it should've been "I weren't" |
| 22:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind, I got too old 23min ago |
| 22:23.54 | kerio | is it your birthday? |
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| 22:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
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| 23:17.06 | cityLights | hi all |
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| 23:17.23 | cityLights | can I pls get help to anser a dbus signal every time |
| 23:17.27 | cityLights | not only once |
| 23:17.36 | cityLights | my code: http://dpaste.com/540186/ |
| 23:18.01 | cityLights | I reffer to line 23 |
| 23:18.08 | cityLights | sorry 32 |
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