| 00:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | and that's what I'm planning for the N900 |
| 00:01.07 | ds3 | has anyone made progress with getting a compass onto the N900? |
| 00:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | nah, nobody starte real hw mods on N900 yet - afaik |
| 00:01.52 | SpeedEvil | ds3: It's got plausible now to put one in a SD card. |
| 00:02.07 | ds3 | yes, the SD card route |
| 00:02.11 | SpeedEvil | ds3: As someone - freescale? has released a magnetometer that is just thin enough. |
| 00:03.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MAG3110&webpageId=129288320677672732B37A&nodeId=011269B37A&fromPage=tax |
| 00:03.20 | ds3 | oh blah |
| 00:03.35 | ds3 | what about a bluetooth compass? anyone make one? |
| 00:04.11 | SpeedEvil | Dount it |
| 00:07.20 | ds3 | does Maemo have a sensor API if a BT compass is made? |
| 00:08.47 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it. |
| 00:09.48 | ds3 | sigh |
| 00:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you noticed my finding about J2000:6 ? |
| 00:14.16 | ds3 | hmmm no one has that compass in stock |
| 00:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: btw you also got D+/- on that pair of TPs |
| 00:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | the single pair |
| 00:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | comes in handy with hostmode |
| 00:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | get a mugen back cover |
| 00:17.22 | SpeedEvil | ds3: It's not quite released yetr. |
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| 00:17.33 | ds3 | ah |
| 00:17.38 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: J2000 is where? |
| 00:17.44 | SpeedEvil | :6 |
| 00:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | see schematics |
| 00:17.48 | ds3 | who else makes a cheap single chip compass that is available? |
| 00:18.15 | SpeedEvil | ds3: They are all a bit thicker, and won't possibly fit in a microSD |
| 00:18.29 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: I just want something to rig up with bluetooth |
| 00:18.40 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:18.44 | SpeedEvil | Many people. |
| 00:19.07 | SpeedEvil | honeywell, analog I think, itg |
| 00:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | nokia has a funny numbering for those 2-rows tp arrays |
| 00:19.20 | ds3 | one that isn't $100 a pop |
| 00:19.30 | ds3 | I have seen the honeywell stuff and it is $$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 00:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | sparkfun |
| 00:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.sparkfun.com/categories/83 |
| 00:23.42 | ds3 | heh, a $300 compass module (digikey) |
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| 00:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | duh, seems I'm on another ignore list... |
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| 00:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: is that a 3-axis? |
| 00:30.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 00:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | thin 3-axis is hard to build |
| 00:30.48 | SpeedEvil | Price is crashing. |
| 00:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you can revamp some GMR heads form a HDD? ;-D |
| 00:33.41 | T_X | just read about this MADDE and also saw that there is this gitorious project. is this SDK completely open source? |
| 00:33.53 | T_X | and which is the right channel to ask questions about it :)? |
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| 02:46.56 | dangergrrl | hai |
| 02:47.10 | dangergrrl | did i tell you today i LOVE my n900? |
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| 06:24.25 | Venemo_N900 | it would be very important for me to open a pdf now |
| 06:24.54 | Venemo_N900 | but the built-in pdf viewer will say "not enough memory to open document" for all pdfs |
| 06:25.01 | Venemo_N900 | could anyone help? |
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| 08:30.03 | merlin1991 | pupnik_: as long it's no entirely out of food error |
| 08:32.51 | pupnik_ | :D |
| 08:33.02 | pupnik_ | my wall-of-ramen is till there |
| 08:33.13 | ruskie | OUT OF CHEESE ERROR. REDO FROM START. |
| 08:33.39 | pupnik_ | been out of cheese since march |
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| 08:40.01 | phryk | has cheese but his box-o-ramen is empty⦠|
| 08:41.43 | pupnik_ | i bought 13 different varieties and found an awesome one |
| 08:42.05 | pupnik_ | vifon - Mi Lau Thai (huong vi tom) |
| 08:42.50 | pupnik_ | really good, with lemon grass, tapioca, roasted onions |
| 08:43.25 | merlin1991 | actually I got a still no breakfast error :D |
| 08:43.30 | merlin1991 | gotta fix that asap |
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| 08:44.31 | Cor-Ai | lunch time :D |
| 08:52.43 | merlin1991 | Cor-Ai: that's going to be soon too :D |
| 08:53.01 | Cor-Ai | haha |
| 08:53.25 | merlin1991 | I was only a lil late for breakfast :P |
| 08:53.47 | Cor-Ai | lunch, breakfast, same shit different name! :p |
| 08:54.45 | merlin1991 | I guess that depends on where you life .) |
| 08:55.19 | merlin1991 | in my case it's 2 completely different things :D |
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| 08:56.06 | Cor-Ai | haha |
| 08:56.28 | Cor-Ai | breakfast at 05, lunch 10 dinner 17 :D |
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| 08:57.00 | merlin1991 | breakfast anywhere between 08 and 13, lunch somewhere 13 to 15 |
| 08:57.04 | merlin1991 | and dinner 20+ |
| 08:57.05 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 08:57.35 | Cor-Ai | lol! you youngsters! no rutin! :p |
| 08:59.31 | Cor-Ai | ohh a little frenchboy :D |
| 09:00.30 | merlin1991 | what where? |
| 09:01.41 | Cor-Ai | you! :D |
| 09:01.51 | merlin1991 | what? :D |
| 09:02.06 | Cor-Ai | notihng... me stupid... |
| 09:02.38 | Cor-Ai | nothing* |
| 09:02.38 | merlin1991 | as long as you're ready to admit it ;) |
| 09:03.03 | Cor-Ai | haha why wouldn't I? :D |
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| 09:03.30 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping |
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| 09:50.13 | mece | OMG! qml map api with qt mobility 1.2! It's it's it's awesome! |
| 09:53.26 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/06/apple_arm_laptops/ <-- hmm |
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| 10:01.46 | Venemo_N900 | hey |
| 10:01.51 | lardman | morning |
| 10:01.58 | Venemo_N900 | morning :) |
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| 10:02.01 | lardman | anyone here reading the -community list? |
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| 10:03.39 | Venemo_N900 | lardman: I don't, why do you ask? |
| 10:03.56 | lardman | Just wondering who Cosimo Kroll is |
| 10:04.28 | lardman | and whether he has links to Nokia in any way, as he was hinting about the new device being released soon, and I was wondering if he knows what he's talking about |
| 10:04.34 | Venemo_N900 | I recall his nick from TMO |
| 10:05.01 | Venemo_N900 | what did he write? can you post a link to the mailing list archive? |
| 10:05.23 | lardman | yeah let me find a link, I'm subscribed |
| 10:05.42 | lardman | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ |
| 10:05.45 | lardman | this morning's thread |
| 10:06.02 | Venemo_N900 | thx, I'll look at it |
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| 10:06.37 | Jaffa | lardman: zehjotkah |
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| 10:06.54 | Jaffa | lardman: He's working/sub-contracting for Intel at the moment, I think |
| 10:07.16 | lardman | so he probably doesn't know what he's talking about then? |
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| 10:08.06 | Venemo_N900 | lardman: spreading MeeGo-related "News"/FUD is a popular thing nowadays |
| 10:08.14 | Jaffa | lardman: He's doing a lot of teasing and leading questions on Twitter about how fantastic the Intel-based products are going to be. |
| 10:08.42 | Venemo_N900 | I hope their price is going to be fantastic too... :P |
| 10:08.52 | lardman | hmm, I had hoped simply that he had dropped a hint that Nokia were going to do something in the near future, but apparently not |
| 10:09.13 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Is there a way to get mbarcode to simply output recognised barcodes to a file - fsynced so it's up-to-date, or output on dbus - I'm trying to avoid writing a plugin. |
| 10:09.13 | Venemo_N900 | who cares about Nokia? |
| 10:09.14 | lardman | Jaffa: yeah well fantastic and Intel, where batteries are involved, don't currently go hand in hand, so we'll see |
| 10:09.14 | Venemo_N900 | intel'll do better |
| 10:09.45 | ruskie | hahahaha |
| 10:09.47 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I downloaded the 'oak trail' datasheet. It looks quite interesting low-power wise. |
| 10:09.54 | ruskie | intel is still trapped in the x86 land... |
| 10:09.57 | lardman | this the 3D thing? |
| 10:10.01 | SpeedEvil | lardman: no. |
| 10:10.02 | Venemo_N900 | lardman: that's what they've been working on for the past x years. they'll get it right. |
| 10:10.03 | lardman | 3D etching |
| 10:10.15 | robbiethe1st | ruskie: Well, at least it'll mean being able to play old x86 games natively... |
| 10:10.16 | SpeedEvil | lardman: It's the new 'we can do low-power x86, really' chipset. |
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| 10:10.29 | lardman | I'd be quite happy with Intel, as long as the form factor is right and it will last the day |
| 10:10.32 | ruskie | robbiethe1st, cause that worked so well from 386 -> latest cpus... |
| 10:10.35 | SpeedEvil | lardman: It even has the display directly connected to the CPU! |
| 10:10.43 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Though not anything else much. |
| 10:10.49 | lardman | :) |
| 10:10.58 | robbiethe1st | ruskie: Uh, yes. Thanks to Wine or Dosbox, I can play loads of old games. |
| 10:11.23 | SpeedEvil | Also - intel not being able to do mobile is bullshit. |
| 10:11.25 | ruskie | so basically what you need is an x86 emulator... |
| 10:11.38 | SpeedEvil | I have a portable x86 device trhat uses 4 AA cells, and gets 12h battery life. |
| 10:11.46 | SpeedEvil | (garmin GPS-12, 386ex) |
| 10:11.56 | lardman | b&w lcd screen? |
| 10:12.05 | lardman | greyscale even |
| 10:12.07 | SpeedEvil | I was at one point contemplating porting linux to it, but I got sane. |
| 10:12.08 | SpeedEvil | B+W |
| 10:12.11 | robbiethe1st | ruskie: Sort of; though our arm processor simply doesn't have enough power to emulate x86 at a decent rate... |
| 10:12.16 | SpeedEvil | 64*64 pixels? |
| 10:12.36 | robbiethe1st | ruskie: And, of course, dosbox will do "light" emulation on a true x86 proc, so... that'd be nice. |
| 10:12.44 | lardman | in which case the display power draw is very low, so only 12h from the thing isn't so great |
| 10:13.08 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Sure - I wasn't being completely serious. 386ex will struggle running firefox. :) |
| 10:13.26 | lardman | :) |
| 10:13.42 | robbiethe1st | lardman: Just need bigger batteries! :D |
| 10:13.44 | ruskie | 12h isn't a good use case for me |
| 10:13.53 | lardman | robbiethe1st: lol |
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| 10:14.32 | robbiethe1st | I'd be really happy if someone came up with a decent dual-battery model(tablet, probably), so you could hotswap the battery without shutting down or even stopping. |
| 10:14.40 | robbiethe1st | 2 seconds and you've got hours more life. |
| 10:15.20 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: You can in principle do that with the n900, with the right software, and plugged into a USB charger. So you'd need 3 batteries. |
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| 10:16.00 | ruskie | SpeedEvil, I thought the n900 power goes through the battery... irrelevant of the usb port having power... |
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| 10:16.22 | mece | SpeedEvil, why would you need 3 batteries? |
| 10:16.24 | robbiethe1st | Ruskie: Yes, but the charger /can/ power the cpu in one mode |
| 10:16.40 | mece | SpeedEvil, ah right, to hold charge while changeing |
| 10:16.41 | robbiethe1st | Yes, but it's that second bit that's the problem; you basically have to "standby" things, as well as having a usb port handy. |
| 10:17.44 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - hence the 'software' comment |
| 10:18.10 | robbiethe1st | If you had a second small battery(something larger than the clock battery), it might be possible - flip the screen off, pull the battery out, and stick a new one in. easy. It'd be even easier if such a device had the backplate being part of the battery like old Nokia dumbphones |
| 10:18.42 | robbiethe1st | SpeedEvil: Which means(among other things), shutting down a game or w/e that's taking loads of power. Very sub-optimal. Oh well |
| 10:18.53 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't actually. |
| 10:19.04 | SpeedEvil | It means - sort-of - suspending to RAM |
| 10:19.11 | SpeedEvil | And then coming back again |
| 10:19.18 | SpeedEvil | It does mean offlining the modem. |
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| 10:20.54 | robbiethe1st | You get what I mean, though, right? |
| 10:21.09 | SpeedEvil | Well - it's not really sub-optimal. |
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| 10:21.32 | robbiethe1st | Seriously? Having to have a usb port or charger handy isn't sub optimal? |
| 10:21.39 | SpeedEvil | If you have the software right - it does rthis when the battery cover is opened - before you can get to the battery - when it's gor power from USB, and then you plug in the other batery |
| 10:21.45 | SpeedEvil | I mean - yes - other than that |
| 10:21.52 | SpeedEvil | Also - I was planning a mini charger |
| 10:22.03 | SpeedEvil | Keyring |
| 10:22.11 | robbiethe1st | Maby. |
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| 10:24.11 | BCMM | why is MyDocs read-only on my system? |
| 10:24.18 | ruskie | fs issue maybe? |
| 10:24.23 | ruskie | maybe check dmesg |
| 10:25.19 | BCMM | ah, there is indeed some stuff there |
| 10:25.45 | robbiethe1st | Umount it, run fsck, remount it |
| 10:25.51 | BCMM | any idea? fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 19709960) |
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| 10:26.25 | BCMM | robbiethe1st: is ordinary umount / mount using fstab OK? |
| 10:26.52 | robbiethe1st | Uh, sure. |
| 10:27.34 | BCMM | only asking because a bunch of "normal" linux stuff behaves oddly |
| 10:29.48 | BCMM | huh, two files sharing clusters. how does that happen? |
| 10:34.33 | robbiethe1st | No clue |
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| 10:35.03 | SpeedEvil | Filesystem corruption. |
| 10:36.16 | SpeedEvil | Filename record getting written, then FART not updated, so file header points to allocated block, or FAT getting updated, and power removed before FAT is fully updated. |
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| 10:37.41 | BCMM_ | not sure what FART is, but does that basically mean poweroff (or USB disconnection) before proper sync? |
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| 10:38.50 | BCMM_ | well, on the plus side i now know that my application will tell the user nicely if it can't save... |
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| 10:40.53 | SpeedEvil | FAT |
| 10:40.58 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: probably |
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| 10:42.52 | BCMM | fixed, thanks |
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| 10:48.56 | Venemo_N900 | ~ping |
| 10:48.56 | infobot | ~pong |
| 10:48.59 | Venemo_N900 | eh... my N900 is lying to me |
| 10:49.13 | Venemo_N900 | "No recent calls" - an obvious lie |
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| 10:57.36 | BCMM_ | Venemo_N900: date wrong? |
| 10:58.50 | BCMM_ | what are the criteria for calls to show in the phone app anyway? |
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| 11:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | FART looks about right |
| 11:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~fart |
| 11:06.46 | infobot | ACTION farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 11:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: idiot! Sulfur dioxide??? |
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| 11:18.42 | dominikb | how can one temporarily disable the possibility to close a QDialog on maemo5? |
| 11:19.16 | Venemo_N900 | dominikb: umm? |
| 11:20.56 | MohammadAG | dominikb, override its closeEvent() and ignore the event |
| 11:21.16 | dominikb | Venemo_N900: i am opening a QDialog which allows to fetch updates. while these updates are running the user shall no be able to close the dialog. |
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| 11:21.23 | MohammadAG | mind you, that's a bad UI thing, besides the incoming call dialog |
| 11:21.28 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/06/3g_connection_from_top_of_mount_everest/ |
| 11:21.30 | Venemo_N900 | dominikb: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/qeunclosablemessagebox.h |
| 11:21.36 | Venemo_N900 | dominikb: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/qeunclosablemessagebox.cpp |
| 11:21.55 | MohammadAG | dominikb, see http://gitorious.org/slide2answer |
| 11:22.29 | MohammadAG | be sure the dialog is parented, otherwise the user can't do anything to see other windows |
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| 11:22.50 | Venemo_N900 | indeed |
| 11:23.39 | dominikb | Venemo_N900, MohammadAG: thanks a lot for your help! |
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| 11:32.31 | pupnik_ | http://www.raspberrypi.org/ cool tiny computer |
| 11:33.25 | nid0 | saw that earlier |
| 11:33.37 | nid0 | would certainly buy a few if they become available |
| 11:34.40 | SpeedEvil | I emailed them saying what I'd use it for |
| 11:34.43 | BCMM | pupnik_: that is ADORABLE |
| 11:35.18 | pupnik_ | i have ideas too |
| 11:35.30 | BCMM | the specs aren't at all bad either... |
| 11:35.46 | pupnik_ | wonder about the camera module |
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| 11:37.18 | ray27mon | hello everyone |
| 11:37.53 | ray27mon | does anyone know when will be the release of NOkia N8 PR 2.0 |
| 11:38.07 | ruskie | nokia does |
| 11:38.21 | ray27mon | but when itwill be? |
| 11:38.51 | ray27mon | my friend, do you know where i can ask for help to look for firmware 2.0 |
| 11:38.55 | ray27mon | for nokia |
| 11:38.56 | wam | what'll be special about a new n8? Even worse user interface? |
| 11:39.35 | ray27mon | my friend, i want to know if nokia's will going to release the firmware 2.0 |
| 11:39.55 | wam | ray27mon: is that linux based? I thought that'd be symbian |
| 11:39.57 | mece | QtM1.2 is sweet! |
| 11:41.15 | ray27mon | yes my friend..is not linux |
| 11:41.16 | pupnik_ | whoever updated dosbox thanks |
| 11:41.18 | ray27mon | it is sympbian |
| 11:41.25 | ray27mon | symbian |
| 11:41.32 | ruskie | ray27mon, then why are you in here? |
| 11:41.40 | ruskie | this has nothing to do with nokia really |
| 11:41.55 | pupnik_ | maemo does |
| 11:42.01 | wam | not anymore ;) |
| 11:42.02 | mece | symbian? Symbian?! THIS - IS - MAEMO! *kicks ray27mon down a well* |
| 11:42.16 | ray27mon | oh my |
| 11:42.19 | ray27mon | im sorry guys |
| 11:42.19 | mece | :D |
| 11:42.34 | mece | ray27mon, no problem :) anyway, no idea when "anna" is out. |
| 11:42.44 | ray27mon | ahh okies |
| 11:42.48 | ray27mon | thanks for info. |
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| 11:43.20 | mece | doh, he left. I was just about to give him some actual info. |
| 11:43.21 | mece | oh well. |
| 11:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ sybian |
| 11:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | drive-by askers, I *love* those |
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| 11:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | well, he's been definitely in wrong channel anyway |
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| 11:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what in #channel or /topic makes people join here and ask about N8 |
| 11:50.56 | ccooke | DocScrutinizer: "Oh, I have a vague memory that had something to do with Nokia. They *must* know everything about my question!" |
| 11:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | well, given the enormous population in #nokia it isn't completely weird a thinking |
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| 11:57.41 | MohammadAG | does #nokia even exist? |
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| 12:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sure |
| 12:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 12:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | yo Venemo |
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| 12:04.34 | lolcat | Now I am the only population in Nokia |
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| 12:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | see? you scared all the other users out of that great channel ;-P |
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| 12:10.09 | Venemo | yo DocScrutinizer |
| 12:12.11 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what's up? |
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| 12:12.33 | Venemo | [13:34] <SpeedEvil> I emailed them saying what I'd use it for -> any what is that then? |
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| 12:20.08 | mece | Making mapping apps with pure qml! So sweet! |
| 12:20.42 | Venemo | wut? |
| 12:21.11 | mece | QtMobile 1.2 |
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| 12:21.24 | mece | I made a 140 chracter howto :) http://twitter.com/mece66/status/66465259262713856 |
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| 12:23.26 | mece | mean you can make apps with maps and location based stuff in pure qml |
| 12:23.33 | mece | s/mean/means/ |
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| 12:36.50 | Venemo | mhm |
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| 12:38.12 | Venemo | mece, nice |
| 12:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: just saying hi |
| 12:41.23 | Venemo | :) |
| 12:41.31 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I did a new puzzle-master release |
| 12:41.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, just in case you (or your "tester" :P) wanna give it a try |
| 12:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | curses Qt. The missing hotkeys to set focus to a treeview selector (like e.g. in Konversation - config_screen left side) and the idiocy you can only toggle checkboxes but not SET or CLEAR them |
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| 12:43.53 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, sure you can |
| 12:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I already updated yesterday, but haven't tested yet |
| 12:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: how? |
| 12:44.36 | Venemo | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qcheckbox.html#setCheckState |
| 12:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I meant user, not code |
| 12:45.07 | Venemo | dunno about tree views (haven't used them in qt yet) |
| 12:45.12 | Venemo | aah. well, idunno |
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| 12:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | hotkeys to be precise |
| 12:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | no way to automatise things |
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| 12:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | as you got no defined origin, so you can't guarantee what any sequence of hotkeys will really do |
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| 12:46.22 | Venemo | mhm |
| 12:46.36 | Venemo | unless you actually look at the screen |
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| 12:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | I can jump to a checkbox, I can *toggle* it by spacebar, but I have no way to define a hotkey sequence that definitely SETS a checkmark |
| 12:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | same for friggin treeviews, like in KDE systemsettings, or Konversation, or whatever |
| 12:48.17 | Venemo | well, maybe it would worth a feature request |
| 12:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | you can't select the needed "tab" |
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| 12:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, definitely |
| 12:48.53 | Venemo | I think that noone though about this kind of use case. |
| 12:49.14 | Venemo | I usually use the mouse on GUIs (sometimes spacebar to toggle), so it never occoured to me either |
| 12:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | NB you actually CAN navigate in a treeview once focus is set, but there's no hotkey to set focus |
| 12:49.33 | Venemo | can't you tab-select the tree view? |
| 12:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | sure, IF I knew where my focus is right now ;-P |
| 12:50.15 | Venemo | hehe |
| 12:50.21 | Venemo | well then, just use the mouse |
| 12:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | khotkeys knows no shit about mouse |
| 12:52.11 | Venemo | khotkeys? |
| 12:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | and even if it did, there's still the toggle checkmark problem |
| 12:52.29 | Venemo | wut's khotkeys? |
| 12:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | umm, a component of KDE settings? |
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| 12:53.09 | Venemo | mhm |
| 12:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | usecase example: I often need to switch on/off the Konversation "hide join/part/nick events" option. There's definitely no other way than use the mouse and ~6 clicks to do this |
| 12:55.48 | Venemo | why do you need to switch it? |
| 12:56.04 | Venemo | or, why don't you ask Konversation devs to make a shortcut for this? |
| 12:56.11 | Venemo | it is trivial to make a shortcut in Qt |
| 12:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | becuase I usually don't want those rubbish lines spam my IRC |
| 12:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | I know it's trivial to make a shortcut |
| 12:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | the anoying thing is there's no generic way |
| 12:57.06 | Venemo | there is a class named QShortcut |
| 12:57.29 | Venemo | anyway, you could head on to #konversation and ask for this - they are pretty friendly fellows there |
| 12:57.42 | E0x | or use another irc client |
| 12:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | as this is a) hidden behind a treeview to select a subscreen from settings, and b) there's no set/clear key for checkboxes |
| 12:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I already did and they even offered to make an interim version just for me |
| 12:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | but I think this is a flaw in Qt GUI specs |
| 12:58.56 | Venemo | so, take their offer |
| 12:59.07 | Venemo | then open an enhancement request at Qt's bugzilla |
| 12:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | now we're talking |
| 12:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, pester Qt bugzilla |
| 13:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | once there has even been a generic scripting language and API to Qt |
| 13:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | alas discontinued before I noticed the existence |
| 13:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | l8r o/ |
| 13:03.21 | Venemo | :) |
| 13:03.26 | Venemo | anyway, I'm gonna take a nap now |
| 13:03.30 | Juozapas | can u recommend some email client for n900, gmail acc ? |
| 13:03.30 | BCMM | pupnik_: on wow, just saw that mini-computer thing on slashdot. it's fantastically cheap... |
| 13:03.32 | Venemo | will be back later :) |
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| 13:04.49 | pupnik_ | Juozapas: i use webmail |
| 13:05.02 | pupnik_ | since 1998 i don't bother with mail clients |
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| 13:05.43 | pupnik_ | that's one of the few obvious things that belongs online imo |
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| 13:11.48 | GAN900 | pupnik_, paul kicked ass during the debate last night. |
| 13:11.57 | GAN900 | Gary Johnson looked good, too. |
| 13:13.46 | pupnik_ | oh i totally missed that |
| 13:14.00 | pupnik_ | but they were both in the debate? that's great :D |
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| 13:14.29 | pupnik_ | i think it's gonna be hard for repubs to ignore the message as much this time |
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| 13:18.15 | GAN900 | Unfortunately Hannity came on after with a Frank Luntz Patented Stacked Focus Group |
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| 13:18.21 | Natanaiel | is there any way to show the phone number in terminal? |
| 13:18.26 | GAN900 | Totally different takeaway. |
| 13:18.34 | GAN900 | They lurv the statist assholes! |
| 13:19.23 | GAN900 | pupnik_, they had a series of questions bringing up past gaffes for each candidate. |
| 13:20.01 | GAN900 | Paul got to field one on him be against laws against prostitution and drugs. |
| 13:20.26 | GAN900 | He went radical libertarian on it and didn't try to pander to socons like he did in 08. |
| 13:22.50 | pupnik_ | woohoo |
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| 13:27.20 | GAN900 | Something along the lines of: "Come on, if heroin were legalized today, how many of you would start using it just because the government says it's legal." |
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| 13:27.35 | GAN900 | When asked the "Oh nooo, drugzzzz!" follow up |
| 13:27.57 | GAN900 | pupnik_, reason.com's blog has an excellent snarky summary. |
| 13:31.54 | pupnik_ | latest blogpost 'Two Heads Are Better Than One' sums up my view quite well |
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| 13:41.05 | derf | Double the trouble, triple the fun? |
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| 13:49.49 | GAN900 | derf, I hope so. |
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| 13:50.43 | RST38h | HELO ladies and gentlemen |
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| 13:51.23 | RST38h | Why are you discussing such sad libertarian topics, when ayatollas just delivered the latest batch of lulz? =) |
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| 13:53.29 | derf | I was discussing terrible 80's music. |
| 13:53.36 | derf | s/terrible/awesome/ |
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| 14:04.00 | RST38h | derf: does not sound all that bad nowadays, when the new benchmarks or "terrible" are available =) |
| 14:04.01 | GAN900 | RST38h, I had about 5 minutes of optimism last night. Don't bring me down. :P |
| 14:04.32 | GAN900 | It's bad when South Park covers of modern music sound better than the originals. |
| 14:04.52 | RST38h | GAN900: Here, have fun: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/05/ahmadinejad-allies-charged-with-sorcery |
| 14:05.06 | GAN900 | Goddamn wizards |
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| 14:56.34 | Natanaiel | is there any way to show the phone number in terminal? |
| 14:58.21 | lardman | bye chaps |
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| 15:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | Natanaiel: which phone number? You can show arbitrary phonenumbers in terminal by `echo 00190045634523` |
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| 15:31.34 | Natanaiel | DocScrutinizer: no, I mean the phone number of SIM card that the phone uses! |
| 15:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | not all SIMs do actually have that afaik |
| 15:35.06 | GAN900 | Jaffa, ping? |
| 15:35.10 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: What is you employed as? |
| 15:35.23 | DocScrutinizer | there's some AT comand to send to modem via pnatd, to get that number if there's any (might also be up to 4) |
| 15:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: your entertainer? |
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| 15:36.11 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I dont think so. I am just curious |
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| 15:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'm a freelancer looking for a new intriguing task/contract |
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| 15:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: now you're any wiser? |
| 15:48.39 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Yes, yes I am |
| 15:48.48 | lolcat | How much would the fee to eliminate to persons be? |
| 15:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | duh, that's not one of my main professional domains |
| 15:49.39 | lolcat | two* |
| 15:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | though some might think I'm looking like that |
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| 15:50.32 | lolcat | My neighboer is so annoying |
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| 15:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'm used to apply more subtle methods for such cases |
| 15:55.52 | lolcat | I am not sure I follow |
| 15:55.57 | lolcat | Poison? |
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| 15:57.38 | GAN900 | Drive them insaaaaaneee |
| 15:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | Natanaiel: -->> |
| 15:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | bash-3.2$ pnatd |
| 15:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | AT+CNUM |
| 15:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | +CNUM: ,"+49179609****",145 |
| 15:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | +CNUM: ,"0000000",129 |
| 15:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | OK |
| 15:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | and for god's sake somebody tell me how to kill that friggin pnatd |
| 15:58.59 | Natanaiel | tnx DocScrutinizer |
| 15:59.47 | SpeedEvil | killall pnatd |
| 16:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# killall pnatd |
| 16:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | meh, been aware of THAT |
| 16:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | thanks anyway |
| 16:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | a ~. works as well |
| 16:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | (on ssh) |
| 16:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | friggin pnatd however seems to be ignorant even about ETX |
| 16:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | errr EOF |
| 16:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | ^D |
| 16:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 16:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | probably they need that property for transparent data |
| 16:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | but it's soooooooo annoying |
| 16:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | AT%POFF ;-P |
| 16:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: see? GAN900 is more on my wavelength |
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| 16:05.33 | lolcat | GAN900: How do I become worse than them? I'd have to shit on the floor, and piss in their food |
| 16:06.36 | lolcat | If I am worse than them, Id get evicted |
| 16:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | order 10 metric tons of instant concrete at next supply shop. Fill their apartment, by opening a window and tagging it with "fill in here please, throw invoice in letterbox" |
| 16:08.03 | achipa | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/06/qt-creator-2-2-released |
| 16:08.04 | pupnik_ | time seems to go by faster because your brain changes less quickly |
| 16:08.05 | achipa | woo |
| 16:08.46 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: That won't work in most construction |
| 16:08.57 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the concrete hydrostatic pressure will blow out the walls |
| 16:09.09 | DocScrutinizer | there's a zillion similar "pranks" |
| 16:09.10 | Jaffa | GAN900: pong |
| 16:09.49 | Jaffa | Bah |
| 16:09.53 | Jaffa | Was going to suggest: |
| 16:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | which I'm not going to discuss here and now |
| 16:10.22 | Jaffa | achipa: Would be really good to see some docs about using that with Nokia Qt SDK and/or MeeGo SDK to a) not have too much installed; b) target Symbian, Maemo & MeeGo from one IDE |
| 16:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | lo Jaffa |
| 16:10.59 | Jaffa | Actually, it seems the "Maemo target" in Qt Creator 2.2 can target MeeGo :-) |
| 16:11.16 | Jaffa | As well as autobuilder tarballs (which I'd read before) |
| 16:11.17 | Jaffa | 'lo DocScrutinizer |
| 16:11.19 | RST38h | well. moo. |
| 16:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | (maemo target can meego) it damn better does. It's the suggested migration path after all |
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| 16:13.47 | DocScrutinizer | and my suggestion from beginning been to test this particular property of the whole meego SDK/IDE from day one, so we won't lose the maemo folks on meego while the migration path is bitrotting |
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| 16:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | from a maemo POV the sourcecode and building compatibility maemo->meego for at least plain Qt based sourcecode is the most important property of whole meego project. Alas after meego folks convinced enough of maemo folks, that migration path requirement silently banished in oblivion |
| 16:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | my uneducated 2 cents |
| 16:19.08 | RST38h | no, notreally :) |
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| 16:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | yesterday I' ve read somewhere here that meego is 95% moblin and 2% maemo (3% random noise), and so isn't really what maemo community expected meego to be |
| 16:23.24 | GAN900 | Jaffa, looking to organize a dinner Sunday night as a segway into dragooning for mwkn. |
| 16:24.00 | MohammadAG | I'd love to compile for Symbian from Linux |
| 16:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 16:24.40 | GAN900 | (or to get some people together for a nice dinner) |
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| 16:25.41 | GAN900 | Jaffa, slightly related, Will you have a US number? |
| 16:27.52 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/06/q1_smartphone_sales_europe_world/ <_- fun... |
| 16:31.25 | Jaffa | GAN900: No, will probably still use my UK number. |
| 16:31.36 | Jaffa | GAN900: Actually, I'll have my Blackberry with me a lot too so work can pay ;-) |
| 16:32.35 | RST38h | ruskie: predictable |
| 16:32.36 | ShadowJK | Well, you could argue maemo is 95% debian :-) |
| 16:32.50 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Which is just fine |
| 16:33.16 | RST38h | No, Mohammad, you will still have to have your WinXP for Symbian compilation =) |
| 16:34.06 | Jaffa | Or use the Remote Compiler |
| 16:34.10 | Jaffa | Which isn't *too* bad |
| 16:34.17 | Jaffa | (better than a VM) |
| 16:34.35 | Jaffa | Would be cool if someone made a hack which used an instance of the SDK running in a VM be invoked from my Linux one |
| 16:34.51 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: There's also the stuff people have done to get the SDK running in gnupoc |
| 16:35.13 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://tourschall.com/2011/02/compiling-qt-mobility-apps-for-symbian-on-linux |
| 16:38.27 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone use these guy's firmware to jailbreak the ps3? http://www.ps3tuts.com/cfw360test.html |
| 16:41.44 | pupnik_ | as far as pop memes go, unrecognizable anime ponies isn't the worst imaginable |
| 16:42.36 | RST38h | ponies are notproper anime afaik |
| 16:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, #meego* is lame, so here: is GPRS on N900 meego working? |
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| 16:47.17 | rd | I get a compile error for navit for maemo5. Can anybody check http://pastebin.ca/2054618 ? Am I doing something obviously wrong? |
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| 16:49.05 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I don't think I could compile libraries then use them for compilation |
| 16:49.06 | rd | Can I get more details on "skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libQtDeclarative.so when searching for -lQtDeclarative"? |
| 16:50.41 | MohammadAG | rd, file /usr/lib/libQtDeclarative.so.?.?.? |
| 16:50.44 | MohammadAG | and paste the output |
| 16:50.45 | rd | Hmm....I get an armel library in x86 configuration. |
| 16:50.50 | rd | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/20110506/navit-0.2.0+dfsg.1] > file /opt/lib/libQtDeclarative.so.4.7.0 |
| 16:50.51 | rd | /opt/lib/libQtDeclarative.so.4.7.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 16:50.53 | rd | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/20110506/navit-0.2.0+dfsg.1] > |
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| 16:53.25 | rd | http://pastebin.ca/2054622 |
| 16:53.57 | rd | From package management it clearly looks like it should be x86 (?). |
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| 16:58.05 | rd | apt-get remove libqt4-declarative and apt-get install libqt4-declarative solved the problem. |
| 16:58.23 | rd | Now I am wondering, if I missed something.... |
| 16:59.22 | rd | ....I always thought I can switch with "sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86|FREMANTLE_ARMEL" between the two architectures. |
| 16:59.46 | rd | But not it seems that I see armel libraries inside x86, is that expected? |
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| 17:07.05 | RST38h | evening,wazd |
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| 17:25.11 | MohammadAG | rd, no, it's not |
| 17:25.27 | MohammadAG | switching should switch targets, and libraries live in two different targets for each arch |
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| 17:50.06 | haj | hm .. wonder if it's possible to make the N900 stop popping up with "mass storage/pc suite" selector when inserting the usb cable from the computer... 19 out of 20 times I just use it to charge it... |
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| 17:54.18 | cehteh | haj: yes thats possible |
| 17:54.41 | cehteh | one of the tweak apps, i forgot which one can do that |
| 17:54.51 | cehteh | at least i disabled it for me :) |
| 17:55.48 | cehteh | ah i think 'powatool' is it |
| 17:56.32 | NIN101 | @MohammadAG: Do you plan to upgrade the kernel power source package to v47? |
| 17:56.52 | MohammadAG | NIN101, don't have time atm :/ |
| 17:57.00 | NIN101 | hm, ok. |
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| 18:01.36 | haj | cehteh: hmm .. i can't really see an option for that in powatool.. |
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| 18:01.47 | haj | cehteh: what would it be called? |
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| 18:03.56 | haj | cehteh: ah.. i can remove the status applet.. but then i can't make it go to mass storage when i need it ;) |
| 18:04.08 | cehteh | one of the usb things .. try it out "USB sync" or so |
| 18:04.16 | cehteh | mhm |
| 18:04.37 | cehteh | well i dont use usb sync at all and turned it entirely off |
| 18:05.28 | cehteh | but iirc some time ago i configured it only not to nag automatically but still be able to manually switch it |
| 18:06.12 | cehteh | try disabling 'sync plugin' |
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| 18:09.29 | haj | Just did.. didn't do any different.. |
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| 18:12.22 | cehteh | well dunno you have to play a bit around |
| 18:12.52 | cehteh | i once configured that but i cant remmeber how exactly |
| 18:12.59 | cehteh | could also systemui.conf |
| 18:14.39 | haj | calvaris: it is the usb status bar that does the popup.. |
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| 18:48.12 | user_ | Anybody home? |
| 18:52.34 | user_ | Answer me! |
| 18:53.07 | user_ | N900 or motorola xoom |
| 18:53.16 | user_ | what would you choose?? |
| 18:54.08 | user_ | ok im going |
| 18:54.22 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.30 | user_ | wow |
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| 18:54.39 | Sicelo | knows nothing of xoom.. but n900 any day |
| 18:54.47 | user_ | my first indication this actuall works |
| 18:54.55 | user_ | yesss n900 |
| 18:55.01 | Sicelo | lol.. this your first time on irc? |
| 18:55.02 | user_ | yesss n900! |
| 18:55.08 | user_ | Yes lol |
| 18:55.18 | Sicelo | ok. kewl |
| 18:55.32 | user_ | I just downloaded Xchat off of extras dev |
| 18:55.41 | Sicelo | one lesson you will soonest learn is that patience pays here |
| 18:55.49 | Sicelo | :) |
| 18:55.58 | user_ | lol you sound like a wise man.. |
| 18:56.04 | Sicelo | you're on n900 atm? |
| 18:56.08 | user_ | yup |
| 18:56.11 | user_ | you? |
| 18:56.55 | Sicelo | not wisdom :) but the thing is that people here are just contributing of their time freely... the only price you must be willing to pay is a bit of waiting time |
| 18:56.58 | Sicelo | :) |
| 18:57.13 | user_ | true true |
| 18:57.18 | Sicelo | i have no N900, unfortunately.. but working towards getting myself one |
| 18:57.18 | user_ | I can wait |
| 18:57.38 | user_ | Kool |
| 18:58.01 | user_ | why do you choose to buy one this 'late' |
| 18:58.04 | Venemo | user_, what is 'motorola xoom'? |
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| 18:59.05 | Sicelo | brb |
| 18:59.05 | user_ | as far as i know, its the first decent tablet running honeycomb |
| 18:59.09 | user_ | ok kool |
| 18:59.19 | Venemo | and what is your question? |
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| 18:59.50 | user_ | whatmisma ctcp version |
| 19:00.25 | esaym153 | anyone here using Maemo Mapper? I am wondering if it can build a track that also includes time stamps. |
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| 19:00.32 | user_ | honeycomb looks like it could be good |
| 19:01.01 | user_ | maemo mapper was so good on n810 |
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| 19:10.43 | norayr | people of maemo |
| 19:10.53 | norayr | do you know what happens |
| 19:11.18 | norayr | if you upload a source to the builder, it builds the source |
| 19:11.35 | norayr | and then you try to find your package, find it |
| 19:11.38 | norayr | get a link |
| 19:11.46 | norayr | and - there's another maintainer |
| 19:11.54 | norayr | it means there was a package with the same name |
| 19:12.26 | pupnik_ | ? |
| 19:12.39 | pupnik_ | what package |
| 19:12.44 | pupnik_ | i hadn't heard of this |
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| 19:14.06 | norayr | may be by any chance marcello mansueto is here? |
| 19:14.20 | norayr | pupnik_: I've just uploaded file to the autobuilder |
| 19:14.24 | norayr | it created the package |
| 19:14.31 | norayr | lightmeter-1.0-1 |
| 19:14.43 | norayr | but there were another package with the same name |
| 19:14.48 | norayr | but doing different thing |
| 19:14.53 | norayr | I just found it out |
| 19:15.01 | norayr | Writing letter to the maintainer of the package |
| 19:15.08 | norayr | will change the name of mine, obviously |
| 19:15.19 | norayr | but... how to solve it quicker? |
| 19:15.56 | pupnik_ | rename and upload again? |
| 19:16.14 | norayr | Of course |
| 19:16.24 | norayr | But I am afraid for his project |
| 19:16.41 | norayr | I hope mine wouldn't replace his in the repo |
| 19:16.41 | pupnik_ | you're already in wiki! |
| 19:16.43 | jacekowski | how do you know it was built? |
| 19:16.47 | pupnik_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_light_meter |
| 19:16.57 | norayr | minute |
| 19:17.07 | norayr | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ |
| 19:17.09 | norayr | here |
| 19:17.13 | norayr | On the right side |
| 19:17.26 | norayr | I can see that just couple of minutes ago it was build |
| 19:17.31 | norayr | built |
| 19:17.47 | norayr | and if I click on the link name |
| 19:17.57 | jacekowski | it may still reject the build |
| 19:17.58 | norayr | it appears there's another project |
| 19:18.01 | jacekowski | as in not import it |
| 19:18.09 | norayr | I hope so. |
| 19:18.13 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 19:18.14 | jacekowski | no it wont |
| 19:18.20 | jacekowski | you used higher version number |
| 19:18.24 | norayr | yes |
| 19:18.29 | jacekowski | Jaffa: we have a customer for you |
| 19:18.33 | norayr | :) |
| 19:18.44 | norayr | Jaffa: I was using your wiki explanations :) |
| 19:19.09 | norayr | May it possible to find some maintainer of the whole repository? |
| 19:19.22 | norayr | So he can delete the package, and I can upload it again with the different name |
| 19:19.26 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 19:19.30 | jacekowski | it's Jaffa |
| 19:19.33 | norayr | wow |
| 19:19.34 | norayr | nice :) |
| 19:19.45 | norayr | Jaffa: hey |
| 19:20.04 | jacekowski | thing is that if it get's importent |
| 19:20.06 | jacekowski | imported* |
| 19:20.10 | jacekowski | old version will be cleaned up |
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| 19:20.48 | jacekowski | norayr: download old source for that package |
| 19:20.58 | jacekowski | norayr: and reupload it with never version number |
| 19:21.04 | jacekowski | newer* |
| 19:21.04 | norayr | okay |
| 19:21.19 | jacekowski | that's option one |
| 19:21.25 | jacekowski | option two wait for Jaffa |
| 19:21.40 | jacekowski | but having copy of sources may help |
| 19:21.51 | norayr | yes |
| 19:22.00 | norayr | Jaffa would be the best solution |
| 19:22.18 | norayr | because the package maintainer may not want to change the version number |
| 19:22.25 | norayr | and then jaffa will be needed again |
| 19:28.08 | RST38h | ...In accordance with SCP-775 containment protocols, Overwatch has been notified of the restocking of the 'Selective Genocide' service... |
| 19:29.24 | MohammadAG | norayr, then you overwrote that package |
| 19:29.27 | IHateHayfever | I wish blemaemo was fully supported |
| 19:29.41 | MohammadAG | and it'll be shown as an update to users of the old package |
| 19:29.47 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 19:30.34 | MohammadAG | also, I'm lagging like shit |
| 19:31.13 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, I think only X-Fade can change repo stuff |
| 19:31.14 | norayr | Yeah, I see, I desperately need Jaffa |
| 19:34.56 | IHateHayfever | can you transfer files on this thing? |
| 19:35.10 | pupnik_ | on n900? |
| 19:35.11 | pupnik_ | many ways |
| 19:35.30 | IHateHayfever | nice |
| 19:35.54 | IHateHayfever | i was just taght the ctcp command so... |
| 19:36.57 | IHateHayfever | so how would one transfer say... a screemshot |
| 19:37.17 | IHateHayfever | oh.. |
| 19:37.35 | IHateHayfever | and i know many ways to send files using my n900 |
| 19:37.44 | IHateHayfever | but, not on XCHAT |
| 19:38.30 | jacekowski | norayr: then you need X-Fade |
| 19:38.57 | norayr | X-Fade: I need you |
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| 19:39.42 | pupnik_ | IHateHayfever: to send to an irc chatter, look up how to do a DCC SEND |
| 19:40.52 | IHateHayfever | ok |
| 19:41.26 | lolcat | The browser in the HTC Desire seems smoother than with the N900 |
| 19:41.37 | pupnik_ | the sending client's firewall needs to open/forward a specific port for DCC |
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| 19:44.43 | Wizzup | When using an extra mmc card, is that also supported to be shared when using usb mass storage? |
| 19:44.59 | Wizzup | s/supported/supposed/ |
| 19:45.11 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 19:45.32 | Wizzup | hm, I formatted it ext2 and it isn't shared ;_; |
| 19:45.38 | Wizzup | Probably because of that |
| 19:45.48 | Wizzup | It was shared if the main care was ``in use'' |
| 19:45.48 | pupnik_ | i think so |
| 19:45.53 | Wizzup | so it does work |
| 19:45.58 | Wizzup | It just doesn't export both at the same time |
| 19:46.29 | pupnik_ | main card? |
| 19:46.38 | pupnik_ | you shoved two cards into the n900? :) |
| 19:46.53 | Wizzup | well, it has support for an extra one, right? |
| 19:46.59 | Wizzup | I guess I should call it microsd |
| 19:47.06 | Wizzup | that's the one I formatted to ext2 |
| 19:47.13 | Wizzup | so mmcblck1 |
| 19:47.17 | pupnik_ | 'extra' means what |
| 19:47.32 | Wizzup | if you open the cover, there's room for an microsd card |
| 19:47.33 | Wizzup | right? |
| 19:47.38 | pupnik_ | one, yes |
| 19:47.42 | Wizzup | that's what I call extra |
| 19:47.53 | pupnik_ | extra implies a second one |
| 19:48.14 | Wizzup | not in my book, extra because it isn't shipped with two, just one :) |
| 19:48.28 | Wizzup | Aside from the miscommunication, it is supposed to advertise both? |
| 19:49.41 | IHateHayfever | i found an eaisier way |
| 19:49.42 | pupnik_ | partitions from mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 should be visible from PC over usb, if i recall correctly |
| 19:49.46 | IHateHayfever | :) |
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| 19:49.58 | IHateHayfever | you don't have to accept |
| 19:50.12 | IHateHayfever | this x chat is pretty good |
| 19:50.22 | norayr | okay, I'll try to write a private message to jaffa |
| 19:51.03 | IHateHayfever | ok |
| 19:51.09 | IHateHayfever | someone send me somthing |
| 19:51.14 | IHateHayfever | anything |
| 19:51.18 | IHateHayfever | im that bored |
| 19:51.37 | IHateHayfever | how do i change my font to white.. or black |
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| 19:53.47 | norayr | jacekowski: is this that Jaffa? http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=15155 |
| 19:53.54 | norayr | the right Jaffa |
| 19:54.17 | pupnik_ | oh sorry IHateHayfever - i missed your dcc send |
| 19:54.19 | IHateHayfever | is the n950 really going to happen? |
| 19:54.26 | IHateHayfever | thats kool |
| 19:54.34 | IHateHayfever | just one of my desktops |
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| 19:54.55 | IHateHayfever | finaly got that htc widget |
| 19:57.17 | IHateHayfever | im trying to download yours and upload mine but both are frozen... |
| 19:58.50 | MohammadAG | norayr, he'll reply here when he's on, no need to PM him |
| 19:58.58 | MohammadAG | and again, X-Fade manages the repo, not Jaffa |
| 19:59.26 | IHateHayfever | pupnik try again |
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| 20:00.08 | norayr | Jaffa: hey, hey |
| 20:00.14 | norayr | X-Fade: hey hey |
| 20:00.51 | kerio | hey! listen! |
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| 20:03.37 | pupnik_ | k trying IHateHayfever |
| 20:05.02 | IHateHayfever | hmmm |
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| 20:07.52 | rd | MohammadAG, can you post your output of ls -l in the scratchbox root dir? |
| 20:08.56 | MohammadAG | /scratchbox or the target's /? |
| 20:09.39 | IHateHayfever | im off |
| 20:09.41 | IHateHayfever | by |
| 20:09.46 | IHateHayfever | and thanks :) |
| 20:09.49 | Sicelo | bye IHateHayfever |
| 20:09.50 | Sicelo | :) |
| 20:10.28 | IHateHayfever | bi guys |
| 20:10.33 | rd | the one from /scratchbox |
| 20:10.33 | IHateHayfever | or girls |
| 20:10.37 | IHateHayfever | i assume guys |
| 20:10.45 | IHateHayfever | but its just text |
| 20:10.57 | IHateHayfever | how the hell am i supposed to know |
| 20:11.11 | rd | (I think somehow /opt was created by some utility and replaced the link to /targets for /opt) |
| 20:11.26 | rd | then sb-conf select is not updateing the link /opt anymore (?) |
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| 22:32.50 | rm_you | IA@$^BF(Q*(#)BOV&#)(*&^$)V#*(%&)GBNOIUW$O<VR |
| 22:32.54 | rm_you | I AM BACK |
| 22:33.08 | rm_you | fscking windoze |
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| 22:39.14 | pupnik_ | Homeland security seizes domains. Firefox provides add-on that circumvents this. Homeland security demands that Firefox remove the add-on. Firefox responds to demand with list of inconvenient questions http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110505/14444714170/homeland-security-demands-mozilla-remove-firefox-extension-that-redirects-seized-domains.shtml |
| 22:39.19 | pupnik_ | hey rm_you |
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| 22:39.41 | rm_you | hey pupnik_ |
| 22:40.48 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: http://public.pipapo.org/Germany%20(Big).squash 3.9GB btw |
| 22:41.02 | cehteh | (anyone else here using monav?) |
| 22:42.10 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: what's that? |
| 22:42.19 | cehteh | http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ |
| 22:42.28 | cehteh | vector maps and insanely fast routing |
| 22:42.48 | SpeedEvil | That sounds too large. |
| 22:43.25 | cehteh | quote from christoph: "the bad thing about it is, that you dont even notice when you took the wrong way because it instantly reroutes" |
| 22:43.35 | cehteh | too large for what? |
| 22:44.07 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: Is that in PBF? |
| 22:44.16 | cehteh | thats the german OSM maps with a very big windows into its neighbour countries |
| 22:44.37 | cehteh | monav format (thats a some dirs with a lot preprocessed files) |
| 22:44.49 | cehteh | i just squashfs'ed it |
| 22:44.54 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:45.06 | pupnik_ | nice cehteh |
| 22:45.27 | pupnik_ | works on n900? |
| 22:45.28 | cehteh | normally unpacked its about 6GB |
| 22:45.31 | cehteh | yes |
| 22:45.35 | SpeedEvil | Seems large -as all of europe in PBF is 5.6G |
| 22:45.46 | cehteh | (needs power kernel for squashfs and loopback) |
| 22:45.56 | SpeedEvil | (8G in bz2) |
| 22:46.04 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: can that insanely fast route? |
| 22:46.12 | SpeedEvil | It's the raw data format. |
| 22:46.22 | cehteh | so thats something completely different |
| 22:47.11 | cehteh | monav uses some new algorithm which packs the routing logic into the file data and then the device can just access the file in some special way to *have* the routes without expensive computations |
| 22:47.12 | nox- | cehteh, 403 |
| 22:47.24 | cehteh | moment |
| 22:47.33 | nox- | :) |
| 22:47.54 | SpeedEvil | Compurtations are not that expnsive with properr heirarchies. |
| 22:47.59 | cehteh | try now |
| 22:48.14 | nox- | working |
| 22:48.24 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes but i am not aware of any other software for the n900 which does that |
| 22:49.01 | cehteh | any other mapping thing on the n900 uses either online routing or sucks |
| 22:49.08 | cehteh | possibly both |
| 22:49.20 | cehteh | you dont have good bike or pedestrian routing |
| 22:50.12 | SpeedEvil | To be fair, germany is probably unusually well served with OSM |
| 22:50.21 | cehteh | well works for me :) |
| 22:50.50 | pupnik_ | wonderful stuff cehteh |
| 22:50.57 | pupnik_ | ty |
| 22:51.00 | SpeedEvil | There seems to be something in the German mapper that is a little bit completist. |
| 22:51.35 | cehteh | well thank the monav people, not me, i only had the idea to squashfs the german map because i dont want to conserve some space on my sd card |
| 22:52.12 | cehteh | christoph also saied that there may be file format changes in the future, internet updates and so on .. lets see |
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| 22:53.03 | cehteh | i wonder how big a europe map would be compressed :P |
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| 22:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: thanks. Still wondering if I really need it |
| 22:58.13 | nox- | oh yeah and thanx cehteh :) |
| 22:58.17 | cehteh | hehe dunno .. i just made it available for fun and because you have to install a backported squashfs gor compress it |
| 22:58.57 | cehteh | of course you can d/l the maps from the official site and use them uncompressed or squash them by yourself |
| 22:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: should I mirror it on my box? |
| 22:59.40 | cehteh | dunno |
| 23:00.04 | cehteh | thats my hetzner box so traffic isnt a big problem |
| 23:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'd do that "just for you" to have a second source you can link to |
| 23:00.25 | cehteh | no need |
| 23:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | (hetzner) I know |
| 23:00.52 | cehteh | it will prolly be outdated sometime soon when the monav people provide newer maps |
| 23:01.15 | cehteh | i then generate a new one for me personally and if anyone asks me i can upload it again |
| 23:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | how about generating the new one on your box ;-) |
| 23:01.51 | cehteh | if you want to .. feel free |
| 23:02.19 | cehteh | you saied you played with monav .. how about a whole europe map? |
| 23:02.36 | cehteh | and canary islands please :P |
| 23:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just thought your box probably idles anyway, and you'd have to dl it locally anyway as well, while your box has a better backbone probably |
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| 23:03.20 | cehteh | i am very lazy at this and will only care as much i need it by myself |
| 23:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | just was suggesting about a way to avoid dog slow upload |
| 23:04.20 | cehteh | i also asked christoph about putting the squashed maps on the osm server, but he replied that they then have to do that for all maps and for all squashfs versions which is a maintenance burden as well as the format will likely change soon |
| 23:04.54 | cehteh | that was my fault, otherwise i try to work on the server and only download then |
| 23:05.17 | cehteh | bittorrent on the hetzner server rocks ... getting a (free!) movie in 5 minutes down :P |
| 23:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant :-D |
| 23:05.33 | cehteh | yeah i can do that on my server too |
| 23:06.20 | cehteh | i just had the idea about squashing the cruft after i downloaded it to my home box, squashed it there and then uploaded it over serveral days :P |
| 23:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | hetzner backbone indeed rocks |
| 23:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | when I did a wget of some MB, I thought "wtf went wrong??" when the cmd returned in NO time |
| 23:07.43 | cehteh | yeah |
| 23:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | faster than my local HDD ;-D |
| 23:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, booztime |
| 23:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | l8r |
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| 23:23.55 | jacekowski | cehteh: 5 minutes? |
| 23:24.06 | jacekowski | cehteh: i can do it in less than 60s |
| 23:24.10 | jacekowski | cehteh: in ovh in france |
| 23:24.25 | jacekowski | cehteh: on gigabit link |
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