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| 01:08.14 | anathaema | well, the newest pyradio works again |
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| 01:08.49 | anathaema | you know the n900 isn't all that great at being a phone |
| 01:08.59 | anathaema | mind you i love mine |
| 01:09.19 | anathaema | but "phone" isn't it's strong point |
| 01:12.19 | Tronic | anathaema: It isn't perfect but from what I hear, it still beats WP7 hands down. |
| 01:12.44 | anathaema | it's an awesome handheld linux pc |
| 01:12.54 | anathaema | that's what i bought it for and it delivers |
| 01:13.16 | anathaema | with a vibrant open source community behind it |
| 01:13.23 | Tronic | There's no question about that but my point is that it is also a pretty good phone if not counting the lousy battely life. |
| 01:14.00 | anathaema | actually i have issues with losi8ng calls before the phone app can load into ram if i have too much software running |
| 01:15.11 | Tronic | Better address book than many other phones have, support for vcards (this appears to be missing from Apple products), easy access to phone from home screen (missing from most smartphones), automatic recording of phonecalls with no beeps or length limitations... |
| 01:15.36 | anathaema | i'm wanting to integrate a pandaboard into my gl1500 though which is based on the arm cortex A9 dual core 1ghz |
| 01:15.53 | anathaema | dunno what os i'll use yet |
| 01:16.13 | Tronic | For me there aren't that many options. |
| 01:16.15 | anathaema | i'm thinking of using meego on it |
| 01:16.38 | Tronic | I'll stick with Maemo for a long time but I'll get better hardware if possible. |
| 01:16.42 | anathaema | but i'm wondering if i could get maemo to run on a pandaboard and use the app base that the n900 already has |
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| 01:17.04 | Tronic | MeeGo might be an option in the future but it doesn't look too good at the moment. |
| 01:17.05 | wmarone_ | unlikely, simply due to the core bits of maemo that are closed |
| 01:17.20 | anathaema | that sucks |
| 01:17.37 | anathaema | i know some people run android on the pandaboard |
| 01:17.39 | wmarone_ | you'd probably have better luck getting MeeGo going with Cordia, which looks a lot like maemo |
| 01:17.59 | anathaema | but i wanna stay away from google's fauxpen source :) |
| 01:18.02 | wmarone_ | people run lots of stuff on the pandaboard |
| 01:18.06 | wmarone_ | heh |
| 01:19.08 | anathaema | i'm wanting to hook a hmd tyo it |
| 01:19.08 | anathaema | and have maps and vital data on display |
| 01:19.41 | wmarone_ | I want to get meego going on my nook color, but the android-sewn kernel disaster is making it hard |
| 01:21.12 | Tronic | Btw, is there any way to improve Skype sound quality on N900? |
| 01:21.23 | Tronic | For some reason it is much worse than on desktop. |
| 01:22.03 | Tronic | Also much worse than GSM. |
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| 01:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | ( <anathaema> actually i have issues with losi8ng calls before the phone app can load into ram) impossible, the needed pocesses for calls all should be memlocked |
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| 01:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: there's just so much you can do for skype - on any platform |
| 01:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | skype is crap. Take it or leave it |
| 01:54.52 | Tronic | It is by far the best voicecom app so until someone makes an open source voip system that actually works well, I will stick with the best one. |
| 01:55.07 | Tronic | The audio quality on desktop is very good so this seems to be a problem with N900. |
| 01:55.19 | Tronic | (or rather the Skype settings used on N900) |
| 01:56.56 | Tronic | DocScrutinizer: About phone app starting too slowly, isn't pulseaudio using non-memlocked buffers? |
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| 01:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: ask ebay about it. You can't do anything for skype, it's double-plus closed <everything> app |
| 01:59.20 | Tronic | http://forums.techarena.in/portable-devices/1392752.htm |
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| 02:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: about pukeaudio I dunno much, except it doesn't need much buffers that had to get allocated realtime |
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| 02:33.20 | anathaema | i have a sipgate.com account and skype |
| 02:33.53 | anathaema | and i have lost calls before the pgone gui would come up when i was using fennec |
| 02:34.06 | anathaema | i stopped using fennec though |
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| 02:46.42 | nox- | yeah as someone else here said, `fennec eats ram like candy' |
| 02:46.44 | nox- | :/ |
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| 03:47.57 | ihatehayfever | hi all |
| 03:48.06 | ihatehayfever | dooes anyone actually use this |
| 03:48.13 | ihatehayfever | tis my first time |
| 03:48.59 | ihatehayfever | Ok, fine |
| 03:49.03 | ihatehayfever | im leaving |
| 03:49.11 | ihatehayfever | good day to you sir |
| 03:51.22 | dangergrrl | weenie |
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| 05:31.28 | keks-n | sup |
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| 06:00.21 | c2pLaY | hi all |
| 06:00.40 | c2pLaY | can't seem to get virtual keyboard working |
| 06:00.50 | c2pLaY | its turned on in settings |
| 06:01.10 | c2pLaY | on/off... multiple reboots etc.. |
| 06:01.31 | c2pLaY | nokia n900 |
| 06:02.38 | keks-n | What you have done befor it became broken? |
| 06:02.50 | c2pLaY | to my knowledge |
| 06:02.53 | c2pLaY | it has never worked |
| 06:03.30 | c2pLaY | just started trying to get it to work several hours ago |
| 06:03.35 | c2pLaY | yes several hours |
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| 06:04.35 | slonopotamus | hmm... what is responsible for saving message history on n900? i think i purged something that did that |
| 06:05.35 | c2pLaY | the shift+fn+cntrl brings up the special characters keyboard np |
| 06:06.01 | c2pLaY | made sure physical keyboard was closed |
| 06:06.10 | c2pLaY | im just at a loss |
| 06:06.21 | c2pLaY | anyone know how to start it up manually? |
| 06:06.24 | RST38h | "Chemicals are bad. Despite their omnipresence from the beginning of time, they are no longer safe. Even real researchers are starting to notice the possible voluntary stunting of science education that is occurring in the name of overreaching safety." |
| 06:06.59 | keks-n | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8kqjvvwFv0 - nya? |
| 06:07.10 | frals | slonopotamus: rtcom-el or smth like that |
| 06:09.41 | slonopotamus | frals: so the point is that everything works, however _new_ messages are not saved |
| 06:10.14 | frals | messed up permissions on ~/.rtcom-el maybe? |
| 06:10.42 | frals | theres a folder in ~ where its suppose to be saved anyway |
| 06:11.19 | slonopotamus | no, didn't touch permissions |
| 06:11.43 | slonopotamus | though apt-get purged some stuff that wasn't dependency of mr-fremantle-generic |
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| 06:14.35 | slonopotamus | meh. |
| 06:16.49 | slonopotamus | hmm... call history is also not recorded (and is empty) |
| 06:18.56 | frals | its all supposed to go to eventlogger database |
| 06:19.52 | slonopotamus | okay. what app is responsible for that? |
| 06:20.18 | slonopotamus | alternatively: is there unmerge log? |
| 06:21.02 | frals | i *think* its rtcom-eventlogger or rtcom-el or smth similar |
| 06:22.16 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 06:22.27 | slonopotamus | i don't have nokia messaging anywhere |
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| 07:51.43 | pupnik | wow nice http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide |
| 07:52.50 | cityLights | how can I make a program run when ever the calender db changes? |
| 07:53.40 | cityLights | one way is to use dbus-scripts and listen in to db_calender_change |
| 07:54.09 | cityLights | another is to generate a file that will use inotify to run the command |
| 07:54.15 | cityLights | any better way? |
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| 08:46.43 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:50.41 | SpeedEvil | Morning. |
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| 09:06.43 | phryk | Can I somehow get the data partition to be ext4 or something simliar? fat32 just sucks. |
| 09:07.10 | kerio | phryk: you can shrink the MyDocs partition |
| 09:07.24 | kerio | but then you won't be able to save on your home partition from maemo apps |
| 09:08.38 | phryk | sucks |
| 09:08.41 | robbiethe1st | Isn't it possible to change the mount-string? Then, changing the MyDocs partition wouldn't matter; it'd still mount and programs would be none the wiser |
| 09:09.07 | phryk | robbiethe1st: mount-string? |
| 09:09.15 | SpeedEvil | phryk: What I did was to shrink mydocs to 5G, and then make a new data partition in ext3 |
| 09:09.24 | phryk | you mean the fstab entry? |
| 09:09.56 | robbiethe1st | phryk: it would be nice if it was, but I doubt it's actually in there |
| 09:10.00 | kerio | i wish nokia dropped the pretenses and just admitted that the n900 was a phone for nerds, and just made it so |
| 09:10.03 | phryk | SpeedEvil: But the mydocs partition is the only one that shows up when using the device as usb mass storage, right? |
| 09:10.33 | keks-n | >>but then you won't be able to save on your home partition from maemo apps |
| 09:10.34 | keks-n | Ehm... Symlinks? |
| 09:10.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 09:10.40 | phryk | robbiethe1st: it is in there, but it seems to change back after reboot, so it's no use changing anything there as far as i can tel⦠|
| 09:10.44 | phryk | tell* |
| 09:10.48 | robbiethe1st | Yea. |
| 09:10.54 | kerio | keks-n: on fat32? |
| 09:11.00 | robbiethe1st | I've heard that file's generated on boot |
| 09:11.03 | keks-n | hm |
| 09:11.05 | SpeedEvil | phryk: scp/rsync work fine for me |
| 09:11.09 | keks-n | OK, mount --bind |
| 09:11.35 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 09:11.48 | phryk | What if i mounted the ext partition on a mountpoint lying in the MyDocs dir? |
| 09:11.48 | kerio | still, i want a better file picker |
| 09:11.59 | robbiethe1st | Also, it should be possible to expose multiple partitions to the USB-mass-storage mode |
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| 09:16.45 | kerio | i want a serial console through usb |
| 09:16.47 | kerio | like the sheevaplug does |
| 09:17.11 | robbiethe1st | kerio: Possible |
| 09:17.14 | robbiethe1st | easily |
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| 09:17.17 | robbiethe1st | um |
| 09:17.19 | kerio | i mean, during boot |
| 09:17.48 | kerio | a bootloader console |
| 09:17.50 | robbiethe1st | Well, it's certainly possible through Backupmenu, might be possible to add that command to a boot file |
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| 09:18.35 | kerio | the sheevaplug is made so that you can fuck up your bootloader and still recover it |
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| 09:29.42 | phryk | Just fucking awesome. MyDocs partition is fucked up. Being mounted read-only 'until errors are fixed'. fsck.vfat can't fix the problems. And since it's ro I can't manually delete the fault files. Fuck yeah, this is so awesome -.- |
| 09:31.29 | kerio | connect to computer, fsck.vfat, ???, profit |
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| 09:31.44 | phryk | That is what I just DID. |
| 09:31.57 | phryk | And like I said fsck.vfat can't fix the problems. |
| 09:32.08 | dm8tbr | connect to computer, copy all files off, mkfs.vfat, copy back, ... , profit |
| 09:32.24 | kerio | you mean "???" |
| 09:32.31 | phryk | aren't there application files on that thing? |
| 09:32.40 | kerio | phryk: so? |
| 09:32.50 | kerio | it's umounted from maemo when it's connected |
| 09:33.03 | phryk | ah |
| 09:33.13 | phryk | meh |
| 09:33.25 | phryk | i'll just kill the current fs completely⦠got nothing of value on it |
| 09:33.34 | phryk | worst case I gotta flash again⦠|
| 09:34.52 | kerio | don't do that |
| 09:34.53 | kerio | just flash |
| 09:34.59 | kerio | maemo *requires* a working vfat emmc |
| 09:35.05 | phryk | mhkay |
| 09:35.07 | kerio | *partition on the emmc |
| 09:35.18 | dm8tbr | so, just mkfs.vfat? |
| 09:35.19 | kerio | flash 1.3, and then cssu |
| 09:35.32 | phryk | ill try calling fsck.vfat with slightly more aggressive options first |
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| 09:37.20 | phryk | hey it worked :D |
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| 09:56.19 | RST38h | Efforts to increase the degree in which analysis references other events resulted in an incident whereby [DATA EXPUNGED], resulting in 3 researchers being euthanized. |
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| 10:08.19 | cityLights | can anyone pls think if I can do this better? |
| 10:08.20 | cityLights | http://dpaste.com/537450/ |
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| 10:11.48 | cityLights | I am trying to hook the calender db change via inotify |
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| 10:14.51 | cityLights | ~seen shapeshifter |
| 10:14.58 | infobot | shapeshifter is currently on #maemo (1d 21h 26m 6s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 1d 19h 16m 11s, last said: 'cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome'. |
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| 10:18.13 | cityLights | well I hope some python coder will show up soon |
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| 10:59.13 | keks-n | Hi |
| 10:59.27 | keks-n | I have a problem with dput |
| 10:59.59 | keks-n | It says "Permission denied" |
| 11:00.13 | keks-n | Looks like that something is wrong with SSH-keys |
| 11:00.26 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 11:00.32 | jacekowski | you have to wait for keys to update |
| 11:00.39 | jacekowski | and you can only use rsa keys |
| 11:00.44 | jacekowski | dss keys don't work |
| 11:01.10 | keks-n | I used this command to generate it: ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048 |
| 11:02.33 | keks-n | Is it ok? |
| 11:02.59 | keks-n | Oh |
| 11:03.06 | keks-n | I really had to wait |
| 11:03.12 | keks-n | It works now |
| 11:03.15 | keks-n | Thanks |
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| 11:06.14 | cityLights | anyone care to help me with this inotify issue? |
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| 11:06.28 | jacekowski | what is the issue? |
| 11:06.34 | cityLights | I seek to call my script when the calender is changed |
| 11:07.18 | cityLights | so I create a bash script that will hook on inotify and seek the calender file modify then issue my script |
| 11:07.34 | cityLights | this way my own python script quits |
| 11:07.42 | cityLights | and only the bash script is alive |
| 11:08.15 | jacekowski | then you do inotifywait -e modify filename |
| 11:08.18 | cityLights | or should I do in any other way |
| 11:08.24 | cityLights | right |
| 11:08.52 | jacekowski | in loop |
| 11:09.01 | cityLights | is this approch better then using dbus-scripts and filter th calender change msg? |
| 11:09.17 | jacekowski | well, you said inotify |
| 11:11.10 | cityLights | my aim is to hook calender db changes |
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| 11:17.29 | keks-n | Try to watch for files' access time |
| 11:19.31 | keks-n | Oh, you already do |
| 11:22.20 | keks-n | But why you aren't using inotify_add_watch directly? |
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| 11:26.07 | cityLights | how? |
| 11:26.31 | cityLights | remeber that I intend to quit my own script and leave this script running |
| 11:26.42 | cityLights | or should I leave my own script running? |
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| 11:29.47 | keks-n | >>How? |
| 11:29.48 | keks-n | Is there no any analog of P/Invoke in python? |
| 11:30.05 | keks-n | >>or should I leave my own script running? |
| 11:30.06 | keks-n | Why not? |
| 11:30.34 | keks-n | It consumes too much RAM? |
| 11:31.14 | keks-n | If it's a problem, just write a simple C program |
| 11:31.48 | keks-n | It will use even less ram than bash or busybox |
| 11:33.05 | cityLights | ok |
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| 11:42.33 | cityLights | I need help setting the volume using python and dbus |
| 11:44.32 | cityLights | I do this |
| 11:44.33 | cityLights | http://dpaste.com/537463/ |
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| 12:34.38 | MohammadAG | os.system sucks, use dbus-glib or something |
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| 13:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | os.system is fine if there's an existing cmdline binary doing exactly what you need, the binary is powerful and thus large in memsize, and the function you need in your program is only occasional and temporary. Then os.system will reduce both your development and testing load, and your program's avrg memory footprint |
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| 13:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | you do NOT want to follow this os.system scheme if the function you need has to be very fast and realtime in a sense of t_response<100ms (for a ballpark), or you are dealing with system critical stuff that must not fail ever |
| 13:19.57 | mc_teo | i prefer to use subprocess module |
| 13:20.29 | mc_teo | all other modules that execute external binaries/commands are depreciated |
| 13:20.37 | mc_teo | so move with the times, man |
| 13:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | typical candidates you do NOT want to call via os.system: echo (too simple and small), hdparm to park disk heads on free fall (too slow), shutdown (mustn't fail due to e.g low_on_ram condition) -- Typical candidates for a call via os.system: sed, grep, find... |
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| 13:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: well, I'm without any preferences regarding which construct you use in your program to call external binaries |
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| 14:00.27 | kerio | er... what? |
| 14:00.28 | kerio | no |
| 14:00.33 | kerio | you don't use os.system, period |
| 14:00.37 | kerio | use subprocess.Popen |
| 14:00.47 | kerio | or one of the subprocess helper functions |
| 14:00.48 | kerio | like check_output |
| 14:00.56 | mc_teo | i prefer to use subprocess module |
| 14:01.02 | mc_teo | all other modules that execute external binaries/commands are depreciated |
| 14:01.06 | mc_teo | so move with the times, man |
| 14:02.12 | pupnik | no stick in the mud! |
| 14:03.02 | mc_teo | subprocess.call('command', shell=True) works also |
| 14:03.10 | RST38h | Python people and their arguments. |
| 14:03.25 | RST38h | sighs and goes outside |
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| 14:04.34 | kerio | mc_teo: ew, no |
| 14:04.42 | kerio | the point of subprocess is that you don't need to shell out |
| 14:05.01 | kerio | anything a shell can do, you can do with os.walk, glob and/or shutil |
| 14:05.32 | mc_teo | lol, subprocess is just a wrapper for all the other modules |
| 14:05.37 | mc_teo | like os.system |
| 14:05.41 | mc_teo | and popen |
| 14:05.47 | mc_teo | and commands module |
| 14:05.50 | kerio | subprocess uses the various os.popen* |
| 14:05.58 | kerio | but in a sensible way |
| 14:06.35 | mc_teo | how would you recommend using "dbus-send" then? |
| 14:06.41 | kerio | no, wait, on unix it uses os.execvp() |
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| 14:06.54 | kerio | huh... dbus-python? |
| 14:07.15 | mc_teo | i tried that |
| 14:07.29 | mc_teo | didnt work with mafs renderer |
| 14:10.38 | mc_teo | mafw* |
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| 14:17.16 | GAN900 | How's the Synaptics multitouch (2-, 3-, or 4-finger) support on Linux these days? |
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| 14:35.31 | kwtm | what's the bot's name in this channel? |
| 14:35.54 | psycho_oreos | infobot |
| 14:36.03 | kwtm | !male |
| 14:36.12 | kwtm | infobot is the female one, right? |
| 14:36.14 | kwtm | ~male |
| 14:36.19 | kwtm | !female |
| 14:36.30 | kwtm | It's so hard to keep track of factoidlet-thingy's in various channels. |
| 14:36.31 | kwtm | ~female |
| 14:36.32 | infobot | <BluefoxIcy> ibot female <ibot> BluefoxIcy: i haven't a clue |
| 14:36.35 | psycho_oreos | feeling rather sexy today/tonight? |
| 14:36.55 | kwtm | Strange. Ok, commercial break over, back to our main program. |
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| 15:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~chase kwtm |
| 15:14.04 | infobot | ACTION chases kwtm |
| 15:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | wtf |
| 15:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack kwtm |
| 15:14.18 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kwtm |
| 15:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 15:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: factoids are global usually |
| 15:14.53 | lardman | afternoon chaps |
| 15:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | (except on a very few channels where I asker Tim to set them local) |
| 15:15.45 | GAN900 | Hey, lardman. |
| 15:15.52 | lardman | hi GAN900 :) |
| 15:16.02 | kwtm | ~attack after Michael Jackson for his autograph |
| 15:16.02 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing after Michael Jackson for his autograph |
| 15:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | funny enough factoid male doesn't exist at all |
| 15:20.45 | psycho_oreos | maybe she's not interested in males ;) |
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| 15:28.10 | cityLights | mc_teo: thnaks |
| 15:28.21 | cityLights | hi lardman |
| 15:28.27 | mc_teo | cityLights: for what? |
| 15:29.14 | cityLights | my question is this: I want my program to be run every time the calender db is changed |
| 15:30.01 | cityLights | I know of two options: 1. dbus-scripts and look for the calenderdb change msg |
| 15:30.05 | mc_teo | like instantly? |
| 15:30.13 | cityLights | yes |
| 15:30.35 | mc_teo | then use dbus scripts |
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| 15:31.12 | cityLights | 2. create a bash script from my program and run it. this bash script will run inotify to watch a modify in the calender file and then run my program |
| 15:31.40 | cityLights | 3. listen to the dbus msg from my program and leave it running |
| 15:31.41 | mc_teo | 1 |
| 15:31.46 | mc_teo | just do it |
| 15:31.54 | cityLights | 1 and 2 offer the option of quitting my program |
| 15:32.08 | cityLights | my program is very light |
| 15:32.26 | cityLights | so waht is the benefit of 1 vs 3? |
| 15:32.42 | mc_teo | 1 remains after restart |
| 15:32.53 | mc_teo | 3 has to be configured to do so |
| 15:33.02 | mc_teo | to be ran each boot |
| 15:33.15 | mc_teo | dbus-scripts take care of all that |
| 15:33.35 | mc_teo | dbus-scripts were made for that kind of thing |
| 15:34.05 | mc_teo | and means using existing framework |
| 15:34.19 | mc_teo | which is like +3 to solution 1 |
| 15:34.26 | mc_teo | so i need more? |
| 15:34.37 | mc_teo | do* |
| 15:35.53 | cityLights | but if I want to remove this program , I need to remove the dbus-scripts line and restart the deamon |
| 15:35.53 | cityLights | right? |
| 15:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | if there's a convenient dbus signal, then that's of course the best solution to use dbus-scripting |
| 15:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | remove as in uninstall? |
| 15:36.36 | cityLights | ok DocScrutinizer |
| 15:36.43 | mc_teo | cityLights: just add it to postrm |
| 15:36.53 | cityLights | postrm? |
| 15:36.57 | mc_teo | and thats like two commands, so no biggy |
| 15:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure you need to restart dbus-scripting daemon |
| 15:37.08 | cityLights | right |
| 15:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | .deb postrm script |
| 15:37.44 | mc_teo | cityLights: debian install archives have a postrm, which is like a shell script, ran after uninstallation |
| 15:37.54 | cityLights | mc_teo: can you help me this look better: http://dpaste.com/537463/http://dpaste.com/537463/ |
| 15:38.01 | mc_teo | to clean up any other resources |
| 15:38.11 | cityLights | ok, now i remember |
| 15:38.40 | cityLights | in fact any one here that uses python and dbus may help with this |
| 15:38.41 | cityLights | http://dpaste.com/537463/ |
| 15:38.52 | cityLights | I am sure this could look better |
| 15:39.44 | cityLights | second question: I used mdbus2 to see this msg |
| 15:39.49 | cityLights | [SIGNAL] com.nokia.calendar.dbChange /com/nokia/calendar :1.119 |
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| 15:39.58 | cityLights | ( "CALENDAR-UI:1:EVENT:DELETED:1:447,", "CALENDAR-UI" ) |
| 15:40.08 | cityLights | how to catch this signal |
| 15:40.13 | cityLights | ? |
| 15:42.11 | mc_teo | i cant get python-dbus to work at all |
| 15:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | use dbus-monitor, it has a printout somewhat more in line with what you need for dbus-scripting |
| 15:43.52 | mc_teo | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer was not provided by any .service files |
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| 15:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: |
| 15:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | signal sender=:1.1853 -> dest=(null destination) serial=17 path=/com/nokia/calendar; interface=com.nokia.calendar; member=dbChange |
| 15:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | you want to test in dbus-scripting for path=/com/nokia/calendar; interface=com.nokia.calendar; member=dbChange |
| 15:49.51 | cityLights | fixed: http://dpaste.com/537505/ |
| 15:50.14 | cityLights | thank you very much |
| 15:51.32 | cityLights | import mafw was missing |
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| 16:47.25 | CableTwitch | Yo. |
| 16:47.42 | CableTwitch | Haven't been in here in a while :O) |
| 16:48.16 | pronto| | :O *gasp* |
| 16:48.25 | CableTwitch | ? |
| 16:48.50 | pronto| | *shrugs* |
| 16:49.59 | CableTwitch | I has a question (because as usual, something isn't working properly). What would cause a recently rebooted N900 to stutter? No issues beforehand, although the reason for the reboot was that the LED was displaying weirdly while charging. |
| 16:51.50 | CableTwitch | pokes DocScrutinizer |
| 16:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | ummm |
| 16:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | hi CableTwitch |
| 16:53.24 | maybeArgh | solar flares? |
| 16:53.54 | CableTwitch | Hey Doc. Might you have any ideas? |
| 16:54.12 | RST38h | tracker? |
| 16:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | stuttering is less of a concern to me than the remark about LED and charging |
| 16:54.16 | RST38h | apt-worker? |
| 16:54.41 | CableTwitch | Don't tell me my hardware is on the fritz again. |
| 16:54.50 | CableTwitch | This makes me doubleplus unhappy. |
| 16:55.16 | CableTwitch | Swapping between running apps is dog-slow, with much lag. |
| 16:55.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, the LED patterns are programmed once (on starting the pattern) to LP5523 chip, then should run as they're meant to do |
| 16:55.51 | CableTwitch | LED works fine now. What WAS happening was the yellow and red were not displaying during the orange chanrging pulsing. |
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| 16:56.18 | CableTwitch | Green was displaying weakly as a pulse, which I presume is part of the colour mix. |
| 16:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | nope, not really |
| 16:57.00 | CableTwitch | Hmm. |
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| 16:57.38 | CableTwitch | I recently installed, then uninstalled that advanced clock app. It's gone bandy since uninstall. |
| 16:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | oops, of course yellow == green+red |
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| 16:58.48 | CableTwitch | Dun, yes. Blue wasn't on (obviously), red was not showing, green was. |
| 16:58.54 | CableTwitch | Dun = Duh |
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| 16:59.23 | CableTwitch | I have noticed a tiny flicker of red when I disconnect the charger though... |
| 16:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, normal |
| 16:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think your system is bitrotten somehow |
| 17:00.32 | CableTwitch | How would I find out what is causing the slowdown? |
| 17:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | stutter on audio also can be caused by heavy load |
| 17:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | as is slowdown |
| 17:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | use htop |
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| 17:00.54 | MohammadAG | nah, it also happens here |
| 17:00.57 | MohammadAG | (red flicker) |
| 17:01.03 | CableTwitch | Haven't tried audio, I'll do that when I'm not on the train. |
| 17:01.08 | CableTwitch | Hey Mo |
| 17:01.43 | MohammadAG | is interested in knowing why the battery empty sound always stutters |
| 17:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | blame pukeaudio |
| 17:02.07 | CableTwitch | Task switching is where it's really evident, but it also happens when changing desktop. |
| 17:02.07 | RST38h | Mohammad: not here |
| 17:02.18 | RST38h | but yes it does happen nowand then |
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| 17:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: use htop, find out about system load and unusually active processes |
| 17:03.27 | CableTwitch | Sometimes it requires a double press to change tasks, when the small windows are displayed. |
| 17:04.05 | CableTwitch | Also, remember, I'm useless when it comes to the actual OS on this thing (Which is why I ask the smart people :O) |
| 17:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | open browser windows are a major suspect, esp when flash or js is on the page displayed |
| 17:04.42 | CableTwitch | Lemme kill the browser then. |
| 17:05.26 | CableTwitch | Nope, still doing it. Sometimes stutter when bringing the window to focus as well. Only xchat running as an active app. |
| 17:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, a killall browserd sometimes does wonders |
| 17:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | use htop |
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| 17:07.03 | CableTwitch | -sh: htop: not found |
| 17:08.23 | CableTwitch | Now, I'll be honest. I have no idea what I'm doing with the command line, so any commands you throw at me... well, please may I have the syntax as well? :O) |
| 17:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install htop |
| 17:09.16 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: can you spare a min helpping me to figure out how to write the dbus-scripts line? |
| 17:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | oh, and of course you want to do 'root' before |
| 17:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: not really as I'm in a hurry |
| 17:10.30 | cityLights | anyonw else ? |
| 17:10.40 | cityLights | I will try you later dude |
| 17:11.58 | CableTwitch | htop shows just under 15% CPU utilised, About half the RAM. |
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| 17:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: maybe this helps: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=900108&highlight=playswoosh#post900108 |
| 17:15.14 | cityLights | thnaks you are a sweetheart |
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| 17:20.10 | CableTwitch | I dunno. How many processes regarding browserd should there normally be with no browser open? |
| 17:21.20 | cityLights | bye for now, time to ride |
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| 17:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: that's weird (15%, 50%mem) browserd will linger around with several instances |
| 17:22.54 | CableTwitch | Should I try and kill em, or are they required? |
| 17:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | they'll restart if you killall them, they're needed for some things to startup quickly |
| 17:23.48 | CableTwitch | Hmm. |
| 17:24.05 | CableTwitch | Maybe I could try another reboot. |
| 17:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 17:25.52 | CableTwitch | 5 for RTComMessagingServer, another 5 for browserui, and 2 are just browserd |
| 17:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | might be threads |
| 17:26.56 | CableTwitch | Hmm. Only xchat and xterm running. |
| 17:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | F2 - display options - [x] Display threads in a different color |
| 17:29.31 | CableTwitch | And how does one emulate the F keys? I've never needed that until now. |
| 17:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | ESC-2 |
| 17:30.21 | CableTwitch | Ok |
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| 17:32.15 | CableTwitch | Done. What am I looking for? |
| 17:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | might show what those multiple instances of browserd are really |
| 17:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 17:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 17:33.46 | CableTwitch | Cheers for the assistance, Doc :O) |
| 17:33.53 | CableTwitch | Catch you later. |
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| 17:37.10 | CableTwitch | Well bugger, I think I know what might have caused it. |
| 17:37.34 | CableTwitch | <-- This idiot playing with the lock slider during the previous boot sequence. |
| 17:37.48 | CableTwitch | Rebooted just now, and presto! All good. |
| 17:38.28 | CableTwitch | Mental note:- Do NOT piss about with the phone when booting. Bad things happen, and make Cable cry. |
| 17:40.19 | MohammadAG | crap, Ubuntu 11.04 broke scratchbox |
| 17:40.50 | RST38h | no wonder |
| 17:41.17 | CableTwitch | Me, or Mo? |
| 17:42.46 | MohammadAG | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of scratchbox-core:i386: |
| 17:42.46 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.01 | MohammadAG | python is already the newest version. |
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| 17:55.04 | Dhraakellian | hmm... why would microb not be loading pages? |
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| 17:57.55 | CableTwitch | What connection, GPRS or wifi? |
| 17:58.04 | MohammadAG | achipa, any chance to have libqtm12 beta in the repos? |
| 17:58.41 | CableTwitch | Is the creator of the wifi selector app in here? |
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| 18:06.19 | Dhraakellian | CableTwitch: wifi |
| 18:06.44 | Dhraakellian | the cylon under the URLbar just keeps going back and forth |
| 18:06.54 | CableTwitch | Odd. I sometimes get issues via GPRS |
| 18:07.15 | Dhraakellian | other webbrowsers work |
| 18:07.21 | Dhraakellian | well, they load pages |
| 18:07.33 | Dhraakellian | but have their other annoyances |
| 18:07.53 | Dhraakellian | and I ought to be wandering off |
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| 18:58.21 | achipa | MohammadAG: in devel or in extras proper ? |
| 18:58.39 | smackpotat | bye bye 810 im a owner of a new playbook |
| 18:59.27 | smackpotat | you were a true andd faathfull freind |
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| 19:25.10 | MohammadAG | achipa, devel |
| 19:25.23 | MohammadAG | achipa, there's tp1 in there, but that's old and has outdated APIs |
| 19:26.34 | Venemo_N900 | good evening |
| 19:26.40 | achipa | MohammadAG: there is a single reason the beta is not in extras-devel: it doesn't have a tag on gitorious |
| 19:27.12 | achipa | MohammadAG: if a tag doesn't materialize by the time I get back to Finland, I'll probably just make a git pull and publish whatever is there |
| 19:27.27 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: what's up with that weird bug? |
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| 19:31.12 | MohammadAG | achipa, I see... |
| 19:31.28 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, which one? |
| 19:31.44 | MohammadAG | raster's borked in Qt 4.7.2, at least on device |
| 19:31.46 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: text selection in Qt |
| 19:32.15 | MohammadAG | graphics system was borked by someone |
| 19:32.26 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: btw, raster works on my Fedora, so probably it's a Maemo-only bug |
| 19:32.39 | MohammadAG | yes, I know |
| 19:32.56 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
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| 19:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen raster |
| 19:51.37 | infobot | raster <raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 8d 10h 53m 40s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer: docz!'. |
| 19:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, he's working on fedora now? |
| 19:54.18 | ShadowJK | isn't he still at samsung? |
| 19:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-30 21:32:26] <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: btw, raster works on my Fedora, so probably it's a Maemo-only bug |
| 19:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
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| 19:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess he's still in .kr and at Samsung |
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| 20:27.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so Samsung broke Qt! |
| 20:27.40 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 20:28.10 | frozen_de | hi guys, anybody know a good car radio for using my n900 as usb device for music? |
| 20:28.12 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: lol |
| 20:28.32 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: we were talking about Qt's raster graphics system |
| 20:28.43 | Venemo_N900 | anyway, good night guys :) |
| 20:29.33 | mc_teo | ~seen mc_teo |
| 20:29.41 | infobot | mc_teo is currently on #maemo (4h 33m 51s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: '~seen mc_teo'. |
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| 20:41.06 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, can i PM u? |
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| 20:45.43 | cityLights | back again |
| 20:46.00 | cityLights | so I tested dbus-scripts while on the road |
| 20:46.19 | cityLights | and I cant get the calenderdb change event |
| 20:46.39 | cityLights | so I think I must catch it in my program |
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| 20:54.30 | frozen_de | hi guys, anybody know a good car radio for using my n900 as usb device for music? |
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| 20:58.37 | lcuk | frozen_de, most people use the fmtx component |
| 20:59.25 | lcuk | and then have to faff with the phone to change tracks instead of incar controls but that is by the by |
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| 21:00.42 | frozen_de | lcuk, i know, but i just want to load my n900 at my car radio, so I'm looking for one which is able to use the n900 as a usb device |
| 21:01.34 | BCMM | well, it's not really a special USB device |
| 21:01.39 | BCMM | in that respect |
| 21:02.09 | BCMM | but i don't think it will work brilliantly - the radio will have to traverse the entire filesystem looking for music files |
| 21:02.28 | BCMM | better to get a cheap usb stick and keep music only on that |
| 21:05.46 | lcuk | BCMM, :) the entire MyDocs filesystem you mean |
| 21:06.00 | BCMM | that is an entire filesystem |
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| 21:06.16 | BCMM | though i did realise afterwards that it is not, perhaps, *the* filesystem |
| 21:06.30 | lcuk | BCMM, it is indeed, but it is not / |
| 21:07.33 | frozen_de | BCMM, I want to use the usb slot for my n900 cause of mobile maps, so it wouldn't possible to use a cheap usb stick |
| 21:07.45 | BCMM | oh, to keep it charged... |
| 21:08.05 | BCMM | well, imho, whatever radio you get, it's going to spend a really long time finding music after you connect it |
| 21:08.32 | BCMM | actually, there may be more complex ones available that can be told which directory to use now |
| 21:09.08 | BCMM | why do you want it to use USB like that? so you can use radio controls while driving? |
| 21:09.38 | frozen_de | ya |
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| 21:23.59 | jacekowski | mobile maps on maemo suck a lot |
| 21:24.11 | jacekowski | i've tried using it instead of tomtom for couple days |
| 21:24.15 | jacekowski | and nope, |
| 21:24.43 | jacekowski | i hate when it tells me to turn when i should be already turning and indicating at least couple seconds earlier |
| 21:25.42 | cityLights | mc_teo: I cant get the calenderdb change event using dbus-scripts |
| 21:26.54 | mc_teo | maybe i should mention how ive never used dbus-scripts |
| 21:26.55 | cityLights | am I suppose to see it? |
| 21:26.55 | cityLights | I used: /root/echo.sh * * * * and echo.sh prints out $@ |
| 21:29.13 | Tronic | jacekowski: I would recommend either Nokia Maps hacked w/ speech navigation support or Mappero. |
| 21:29.52 | Tronic | Paid 80 ⬠or so for the full version of Sygic Mobile Maps but I have only used it for a couple of weeks (about a year ago) because it is so crap. |
| 21:30.09 | Tronic | Sorry, 6 months ago. |
| 21:35.51 | ShadowJK | There's something strange going on with sygic and pulseaudio/gstreamer/mafw/whatever |
| 21:36.05 | ShadowJK | I've seen the voice being lagged from the visual by several seconds |
| 21:36.13 | ShadowJK | But it only happens sometimes, and I'm not sure what triggers it |
| 21:37.27 | Tronic | With Nokia Maps it happens all the time. |
| 21:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you remember my bitching about pukeaudio? First thing I noticed PA is on my box was a delay of like days(!) between KDE putting a event sound and speakers playing it |
| 21:38.26 | ShadowJK | I've had that happen too, but mostly that's been when other stuff has used alsa, and alsa is blocking instead of sharing :-) |
| 21:38.58 | Tronic | DocScrutinizer: Everything consistently playing late, or just at some moment all the sounds from the last few days playing? |
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| 21:39.39 | Tronic | The former I have never seen, the latter happens with ALSA and others too if the sound card is blocked (e.g. by an application using S/PDIF pass-through). |
| 21:40.53 | ShadowJK | seems like sygic is using a separate thread for sound anyway, and I've seen it getting stuck eating 100% CPU all the time, which made the fps drop and delayed visual instructions too, and prevented sygic from exiting cleanly |
| 21:42.02 | ShadowJK | That could be the library you need for pulseaudio spawning threads actually.. |
| 21:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | well, yeah. In my case anyway it seems PA is blocking itself by exclusively opening ALSA |
| 21:43.45 | ShadowJK | or something else has done it :-) |
| 21:43.50 | cityLights | can anyone here help me use dbus-scripts to hook calender db change event? |
| 21:44.06 | ShadowJK | it doesn't use dmix anyway, because the whole point of pulseaudio was to get away from dmix's bugs :-) |
| 21:44.34 | ShadowJK | bugs or "so hard to use right not even the people who wrote it can show how to use it" |
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| 21:48.11 | jacekowski | Tronic: nothing so far came close to normal tomtom |
| 21:48.20 | MohammadAG | is there a way to know what the architecture is from a shell? |
| 21:48.27 | cityLights | mc_teo: how can I replace os.path.exists with subprocess ? |
| 21:48.28 | MohammadAG | can't believe he forgot |
| 21:48.29 | jacekowski | uname |
| 21:48.47 | cityLights | uname |
| 21:48.50 | jacekowski | uname -m |
| 21:48.50 | nox- | MohammadAG, uname -m |
| 21:48.51 | cityLights | /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:49.32 | mc_teo | cityLights: why would you need to replace that? |
| 21:49.58 | cityLights | you asked me not to use os any more |
| 21:50.04 | cityLights | os.system |
| 21:50.08 | mc_teo | just "from os import path" if thats the only from os you used |
| 21:50.28 | cityLights | MohammadAG: do you use dbus-scripts? |
| 21:51.20 | ShadowJK | btw, if you external bluetooth receiver, there's a bug in maemo that makes sygic and maps not work properly :P |
| 21:53.47 | cityLights | guess I must go back to using gobject |
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| 21:59.16 | MohammadAG | cityLights, nope |
| 21:59.16 | MohammadAG | ty jacekowski & nomis |
| 21:59.16 | MohammadAG | nox-*, sorry nomis |
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| 22:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | too |
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| 23:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
| 23:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: MohammadAG: |
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| 23:09.57 | cityLights | what? |
| 23:10.02 | cityLights | just about to go sleeping |
| 23:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | alarmed-backend.py |
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| 23:10.21 | cityLights | :-) |
| 23:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | and the most funny thing: this is from my N900 real sourcecode of the one where it works - on garage.maemo.org alarmed v2.1.2 it's not like that |
| 23:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | now this *definitely* becomes an issue for CSSU |
| 23:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | seems tweakr is replacing the status menu applet for profile selection, as I can't imagine the original nokia one does same thing like 'my' alarmed |
| 23:15.07 | cityLights | good night |
| 23:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | yet it works to switch between custom profiles, while the dbus cmd profiled.listprofiles does NOT work |
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| 23:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | night cityLights |
| 23:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: PING |
| 23:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: what's up with alarmed and tweakr profiles? |
| 23:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ and maemo.org is frozen another time |
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| 23:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | mmmpff |
| 23:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | alarmed: Installed: 0.2.0-2 works with tweakr |
| 23:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | alarmed: Installed: 0.2.1-2 doesn't work with tweakr anymore |
| 23:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | friggin funny thing: |
| 23:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | ii maemo-applet-profiles 0.56+0m5 Profile control panel applet |
| 23:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | works with tweakr :-o |
| 23:41.47 | SpeedEvil | :) Latest update of mbarcode doesn't crash. |
| 23:41.54 | SpeedEvil | Now - I should really dosomething with it. |
| 23:43.42 | mc_teo | so DocScrutinizer, i am going to upload that script now |
| 23:43.53 | mc_teo | with the voice commands for media player |
| 23:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | super |
| 23:46.01 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: Neat |
| 23:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | while I scratch my head what's wrong now of profiled and its dbus-interface, libprofile, maemo-applet-profiles, and alarmed-0.2.0-2 vs 0.2.1-2 |
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| 23:48.23 | ShadowJK | What's alarmed? If it's .py it can't be installed by default :) |
| 23:49.16 | mc_teo | can i upload .pys to the forums? |
| 23:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: this ^^^ code is what alarmed_backend.py is using """Checks if tweakr is installed and returns the profiles""" |
| 23:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: sure, you can attach arbitrary files I think |
| 23:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and which obviously also is used by maemo-applet-profiles (a closed Nokia blob) |
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| 23:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | while def getAvailableProfiles(): return list(dbus.Interface(dbus.SessionBus().get_object('com.nokia.profiled', '/com/nokia/profiled'), 'com.nokia.profiled').get_profiles()) fails on alarmed_backend.py V0.2.1-2 |
| 23:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | and the corresponding dbus-send cmd (as found in phonecontrol) fails for me on 1.2 and 1.3cssu |
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| 23:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | so the dbus interface of profiled always been borked, while maemo-applet-profiles isn't using this and thus worked since beginning |
| 23:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | and shapeshifter - for obscure bizarre reason - decided to switch from the working to the non-working method on his last update |
| 23:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 23:55.16 | infobot | rumour has it, xyawn is nap |
| 23:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | rrrright |
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| 23:57.02 | mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: was that a joke? |
| 23:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | errrr what? |
| 23:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | no joke anywhere, but what do you think could have been ? |
| 23:58.42 | mc_teo | about the arbutrary files |
| 23:58.58 | mc_teo | and no, they wont accept with .py extension |
| 23:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 23:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | then rename it to .py.txt |
| 23:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | or zip it ;-P |
| 23:59.51 | mc_teo | ill zip it |
| 23:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | haha |