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| 00:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
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| 00:05.34 | MohammadAG | so... my N900 no longer connects properly to my router |
| 00:05.51 | MohammadAG | it gets an IP and all, but I can't ping any local or external hosts |
| 00:06.06 | SpeedEvil | Can you ping the router? |
| 00:06.06 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 00:06.11 | SpeedEvil | Any logs on router? |
| 00:06.34 | MohammadAG | checks |
| 00:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | check route |
| 00:07.13 | SpeedEvil | That too. |
| 00:07.14 | MohammadAG | what's also weird is that I can't connect to BT devices when wifi's up |
| 00:07.16 | MohammadAG | so I'm leaning towards HW problem |
| 00:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | check /etc/resolv.conf for 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:07.40 | MohammadAG | it's 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:07.53 | MohammadAG | 3G works fine fwiw |
| 00:08.16 | sr71_ | anything in the arp cache? |
| 00:08.57 | orospakr | alas, I've jumped ship back to Android. :P |
| 00:09.32 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 00:09.32 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:10.57 | MohammadAG | I'm not reflashing for this :P |
| 00:11.12 | MohammadAG | is there a way to keep a 3G connection up while testing wifi? |
| 00:11.45 | SpeedEvil | You can bring the wifi interface iup with ifconfig and iwconfig - if you get iwconfig onto the device |
| 00:12.15 | MohammadAG | what about the opposite? |
| 00:12.23 | MohammadAG | (a 3G connection while wifi's active) |
| 00:12.48 | SpeedEvil | ICD fights. |
| 00:13.36 | SpeedEvil | You can tether over USB to get 3G, and then still connect to the device over wifi |
| 00:13.49 | MohammadAG | well, I just tried with my other router and it's the same |
| 00:14.10 | SpeedEvil | Any errors indmesg? |
| 00:14.16 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 00:14.22 | SpeedEvil | Other devices auth OK? |
| 00:14.28 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 00:14.46 | SpeedEvil | My next question would be 'what happens iif you turn ondebug mode in ICD' - but that has a subtle problem. |
| 00:14.51 | MohammadAG | there was a weird "recoverable" onenand error, but that's unrelated |
| 00:15.09 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 00:16.01 | MohammadAG | [109252.042694] wlan0: associated |
| 00:16.02 | MohammadAG | [109252.150268] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready |
| 00:16.06 | MohammadAG | looks right to me |
| 00:16.18 | SpeedEvil | Is routes sane? |
| 00:16.23 | SpeedEvil | are |
| 00:16.30 | MohammadAG | well, I never changed them |
| 00:16.31 | SpeedEvil | can you ping your router by IP |
| 00:16.50 | MohammadAG | this happened to me the other day, a reboot fixed it but I'm interested in why it happens |
| 00:17.16 | MohammadAG | switches to wifi, brb |
| 00:19.41 | MohammadAG | 14 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 00:19.43 | MohammadAG | that's pinging the gateway |
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| 00:21.42 | SpeedEvil | Does ifconfig show thepackets going out? |
| 00:24.45 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yep |
| 00:26.14 | SpeedEvil | iwconfig shows the right stuff? |
| 00:29.42 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, don't have it installed, I'm guessing it's part of "iw"? |
| 00:30.29 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 00:30.31 | SpeedEvil | iwtools? |
| 00:31.26 | MohammadAG | iw |
| 00:31.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/temp/phoneiw |
| 00:31.38 | MohammadAG | for both rx and tx the values are 0 |
| 00:31.40 | SpeedEvil | the binary only |
| 00:31.55 | MohammadAG | the rest looks fine to me |
| 00:32.19 | SpeedEvil | they should be 0 with no errors |
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| 00:51.23 | pupnik | morning |
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| 01:04.32 | MohammadAG | I hate how I can't debug status menu plugins easily |
| 01:04.46 | pupnik | hiya MohammadAG |
| 01:04.53 | MohammadAG | hi pupnik |
| 01:05.13 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/ijtBvjgz |
| 01:05.30 | MohammadAG | one of those is causing a segfault, but not initially |
| 01:08.01 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: for a second I htought I'll try to help you there, but then I saw the code :P |
| 01:08.08 | merlin1991 | no chance I can find a segfault there :P |
| 01:08.27 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, why? :P |
| 01:09.00 | merlin1991 | every single function call is an api call I don't know :P |
| 01:09.22 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, again it works when I call it at the start |
| 01:09.33 | MohammadAG | but if it's called by the button click, hildon-status-menu segfaults |
| 01:09.45 | MohammadAG | g_signal_connect (plugin->priv->button, "clicked", G_CALLBACK (battery_status_plugin_get_values), plugin); |
| 01:09.49 | MohammadAG | looks fine to me |
| 01:10.27 | MohammadAG | so I'm guessing it's something with pointers and stuff |
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| 01:19.36 | GeneralAntilles | Wee, 11.04 ate my Firefox toolbar. |
| 01:20.45 | astruasdh | has anyone installed android in n900? |
| 01:21.40 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: pointers are the root of all evil ;) |
| 01:24.06 | pupnik | hmm |
| 01:24.13 | MohammadAG | how's a gchar freed? |
| 01:25.03 | pupnik | hooray for CSSU |
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| 01:40.53 | MohammadAG | so it's segfaulting on is_charging = libhal_device_get_property_bool (priv->ctx, BME_HAL_UDI, BME_HAL_IS_CHARGING_KEY, NULL); |
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| 02:22.43 | smackpotatt | byebye nokia n810 hello playbook |
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| 04:45.43 | slonopotamus | what current n900 needs when charges from usb? |
| 04:46.58 | slonopotamus | i'm thinking about charging it from auto sound system usb port |
| 04:51.44 | slonopotamus | hmm... looks like it doesn't work. battery applet shows that it charges, however yellow led doesn't blink |
| 04:53.05 | RST38h | needs at least 100mA? |
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| 05:01.56 | pupnik | a n900 with 5" screen and 2x bl4j batteries |
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| 05:02.48 | slonopotamus | RST38h: dunno, however, as i said, led doesn't blink in yellow :/ |
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| 06:12.50 | slonopotamus | hmm... bought something really scary with 2A output |
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| 06:13.39 | pupnik | is it sfw slonopotamus |
| 06:14.03 | slonopotamus | pupnik: sfw? |
| 06:15.43 | pupnik | a safe for work topic? |
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| 07:46.00 | keks-n | Wow |
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| 09:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | keks-n: nice plan, I planned same thing for some hack with dialer-ui |
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| 09:26.59 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer have you read what i asked you about? |
| 09:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 09:29.41 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer the insider battery analog from mouser is restricted in israel, do you mind to buy it to me and i'll palpay you |
| 09:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure I can handle that in a reasonable timespan |
| 09:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'm pondering it, let you know |
| 09:30.59 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, not really that in a hurry |
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| 09:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | friggin Israel |
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| 09:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | not that Russia is any better |
| 09:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | for some activities, like sending a N900 over there... |
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| 09:55.07 | edheldil | ZogG: what is that "insider battery analog from mouser" ? Better battery for n900? |
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| 10:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | hehe I've been waiting for that question. Was about to toss a pun about the funny wording |
| 10:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG meant the backup battery for RTC solder-mounted inside the N900 |
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| 10:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | the part that's supposed to power the clock for 12 months when main battery is removed or depleted. Which it probably would do if it wouldn't break for good after 6 month |
| 10:09.36 | edheldil | ahh. Too bad :) |
| 10:09.46 | robbiethe1st | Oh, and that reminds me: My replacement battery(supercapacitor, actually), which you had me order, seems to be working great! |
| 10:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | tell it to ZogG - he might be interested |
| 10:10.34 | robbiethe1st | yea |
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| 10:12.43 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: did you use a capacitor-'battery' with compatible footprint, or an arbitrary goldcap? |
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| 10:13.01 | robbiethe1st | The former; It was either you or someone else in this room who suggested it |
| 10:13.07 | robbiethe1st | and showed me the correct part on Digikey |
| 10:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | been me |
| 10:13.17 | robbiethe1st | Thought so |
| 10:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG says he can't get that part in Israel |
| 10:14.00 | robbiethe1st | Can you send it to him? |
| 10:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | seems he tried on mouser only |
| 10:14.11 | robbiethe1st | huh |
| 10:14.13 | DocScrutinizer | sure I could |
| 10:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | probably digikey is better |
| 10:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | you have ny any chance the digikey order number or URL handy? |
| 10:16.04 | robbiethe1st | hm... |
| 10:21.02 | robbiethe1st | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=XH414H |
| 10:21.09 | robbiethe1st | not sure which, but one of those |
| 10:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.33 | ZogG | robbiethe1st, i'm russian =) |
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| 10:22.40 | ZogG | that's it i said it =) |
| 10:23.00 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer there are 2 of those there |
| 10:23.06 | robbiethe1st | ZogG: So digikey won't ship to you? |
| 10:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: scroll to right |
| 10:24.18 | ZogG | robbiethe1st i dunno |
| 10:24.37 | ZogG | i tryed mouser and it says it's restricted by the company itself |
| 10:25.03 | ZogG | i think it's not the site it's comany making those batts |
| 10:25.50 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer is it 1ND or 2ND? |
| 10:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, the 2nd is minimum qty 1, I don't think you want to buy minimum qty 3.600 |
| 10:27.15 | ZogG | lol |
| 10:27.18 | ZogG | yeah i saw it |
| 10:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | both are non-stock, no idea if you actually can order them |
| 10:27.22 | ZogG | just now |
| 10:27.40 | ZogG | those sites are for customers only |
| 10:27.53 | ZogG | i mean companies or people buying actually a lot of thing |
| 10:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's not ebay |
| 10:28.21 | ZogG | with mouser it was good that they have israel department and i called and arranged by phone and just emailed the guy with info |
| 10:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | but they ship to normal mortals as well usually |
| 10:29.20 | ZogG | how do i order? and can i buy via palpay? surely if you have any exp with them |
| 10:30.23 | ZogG | oh they have israel website as well |
| 10:30.24 | ZogG | lol |
| 10:32.56 | ZogG | Due to vendor restrictions, we are unable to add this item to your order. |
| 10:32.57 | ZogG | as i thought |
| 10:34.06 | chem|st | morning |
| 10:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st |
| 10:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: what's *wrong* with your friggin country? |
| 10:34.36 | chem|st | how is it? |
| 10:34.59 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: no comment... |
| 10:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: buy in Gaza, they get everything there :-P |
| 10:35.43 | chem|st | I need a new kbd mate and dome sheet btw.. |
| 10:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | oh shit |
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| 10:36.08 | chem|st | uhwheee shopping in military supplies |
| 10:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: how do you think *I* can get that part to you? |
| 10:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'm afraid Mossad comes to invite me visit your prison |
| 10:43.20 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer just email who checks it anyway |
| 10:43.26 | ZogG | like the ebay parts |
| 10:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if he can find a telegram card playing happy-birthday when opened, that has this component |
| 10:43.44 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, lol |
| 10:44.35 | mc_teo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'll try to order 5 parts eventually |
| 10:44.49 | mc_teo | using pythons subproccess module |
| 10:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: GREAT :-D |
| 10:45.11 | mc_teo | it just runs dbus commands using subprocess module |
| 10:45.21 | mc_teo | i couldnt get dbus module to work correctly |
| 10:45.32 | mc_teo | i want to get that working correctly first |
| 10:46.05 | mc_teo | but it basically just has like play/stop/pause/resume/next/resume all hooked to dbus commands, for the media player |
| 10:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: if I ever get to find them in my letterbox, I'll inform you and ask for address |
| 10:46.29 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer thanx, i'll repay you all the mailing and stuff as well |
| 10:46.50 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer you can come and visit me as well =) |
| 10:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | nah, too hostile a country, sorry |
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| 10:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: that's exciting news indeed |
| 10:52.16 | chem|st | mc_teo: cool, keep you post up to date with it, that is good progress you are doing there! |
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| 11:09.49 | mc_teo | chem|st: when I get this dbus commands working correctly, i shall put it on the thread |
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| 11:10.38 | mc_teo | as at the moment, i am literally using 'subprocess.call("dbus-command", shell=True)' |
| 11:10.46 | mc_teo | which isnt very elegant |
| 11:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'm also getting >>Due to vendor restrictions, we are unable to add this item to your order.<< - maybe Japan quake collateral issue |
| 11:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: it's not bad actually, as you can very easily change such code to do virtually anything |
| 11:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | so rather than fiddling to get native dbus working, you might consider to support a config file to define arbitrary shell cmdline commands to execute on the particular voice-cmd |
| 11:16.31 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer =( |
| 11:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | I very much like this concept, it's in line with unix' philosophy |
| 11:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | and the overhead to call a shell command is negligible for such occasional invocations |
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| 11:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | actually your program's memory footprint will be lower most of the time, and only allocating a few additional 100k for the shell during the execution time of the command |
| 11:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think it's a very sleek and versatile design, much better than interfacing dbus directly and tailoring the program to do exactly one thing |
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| 11:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: please try http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND |
| 11:54.41 | Trewas | god damn n900 has annoying feature that you can mute the audio completely during phonecall from the volume up/down keys, the keys seem to also change the direction which way they work a bit after starting the call |
| 11:55.00 | Appiah | hehe |
| 11:55.26 | Appiah | landscape vs portrait |
| 11:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | Trewas: yes, the keys are working inverse in portrait: upper key is +, while in landscape left key is - |
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| 11:57.45 | Trewas | I know it should work like that, but there seems to be a delay and after answering the call (in portrait) the "up" actually decreases (and mutes) volume |
| 12:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | Trewas: I always found autorotate a bit annoying. Fix dialer-ui to portrait mode, so there should be no delays and changing key assignments |
| 12:01.02 | cehteh | starting the phone app is already slow enough |
| 12:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | Trewas: sometimes even the accelerometer chip needs a reset due to decalibration |
| 12:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | reset==reboot |
| 12:02.06 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: thats a software problem .. actually the accelerometer is not callibrateable and is factory callibrated |
| 12:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | umm, not exactly |
| 12:02.32 | cehteh | the datasheet says so |
| 12:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 12:02.49 | pupnik | anybody remember how a program can switch the keyboard layout to another language (for e.g. en/gb, for the arrow keys) |
| 12:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | there's a factory default calib, but you can recalib it |
| 12:03.21 | cehteh | isnt that just software? |
| 12:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I found the readouts to have massive offset sometimes |
| 12:04.33 | cehteh | yes .. but i wonder if thats really an accelerometer problem or some bug in the driver (software callibration running off ) |
| 12:05.03 | cehteh | some inexact calculation which drifts or some corner case which deadjusts it |
| 12:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it's the chip, that gets confused by rogue signals from driver |
| 12:05.38 | cehteh | so the driver is to blame in any case :P |
| 12:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | there's no static factors in the driver |
| 12:05.49 | cehteh | i didnt looked at the code |
| 12:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | it just reads out the chip values via I2C and applies a fixed hardcoded multiplicator |
| 12:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | but it missed to apply a chip reset every now and then |
| 12:06.47 | cehteh | timing problems |
| 12:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 12:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | I guess a race on I2C |
| 12:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | interference |
| 12:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: PING |
| 12:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: lazy dog |
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| 12:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: will you try to order that friggin taiyo yuden battery now?! I spent almost an hour to find it for you |
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| 12:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND |
| 12:14.41 | SpeedEvil | OMG OMG! I just had a email from my phone company! The Iphone is available in white!!!!111!!! |
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| 12:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | OUCH digikey shipping costs to Israel: USD 40 |
| 12:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | Germany not really any better: 30 |
| 12:18.50 | SpeedEvil | For what? |
| 12:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | for a 414 battery |
| 12:19.11 | SpeedEvil | To the UK at least a bit ago, they were offering free shipping over 50 |
| 12:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | over 100 here |
| 12:19.31 | SpeedEvil | 50 pounds |
| 12:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | eur |
| 12:19.37 | SpeedEvil | So a little closer to 100 |
| 12:19.57 | SpeedEvil | yeah - still going on. |
| 12:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | Israel 40USD all qty |
| 12:21.14 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: just denied a amazon shopping cart as shipping was 18eur... |
| 12:21.43 | chem|st | a 6eur item for 28eur... |
| 12:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, for ZogG 's battery at 1.18EUR/unit it's a bit extreme |
| 12:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: where did you order, where to did they ship, and what's been your fee for shipping? |
| 12:23.07 | SpeedEvil | What's the battery? |
| 12:23.12 | robbiethe1st | I think it was digikey, I was in the US, and the total price was <$10 |
| 12:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | bupbat |
| 12:23.18 | SpeedEvil | partno? |
| 12:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND |
| 12:23.29 | robbiethe1st | I don't remember details |
| 12:23.39 | SpeedEvil | Also - wandering over to ##electronics and asking if anyones got an order going in may be worthwhile. |
| 12:23.47 | robbiethe1st | I'm off. |
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| 12:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 12:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: good plan |
| 12:24.25 | SpeedEvil | http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R |
| 12:24.27 | SpeedEvil | Or that |
| 12:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 12:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | see? I'm used to get the parts from my sourcing department ;-P |
| 12:25.38 | SpeedEvil | On that topic. I'm off to make some pasta source. |
| 12:27.37 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: pasta is a good idea... |
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| 12:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | what's farnell's friggin shipping policy? |
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| 12:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, available from USA, 20EUR per shipment |
| 12:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | better than 30 |
| 12:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | funny the il.farnell site doesn't mention the shipping costs at the location the de.farnell site does |
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| 13:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | ok, I'm collecting preorders for this backup battery - shipping to Europe included, they will be EUR2.50, only if I manage to order 20 |
| 13:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | payment per paypal only |
| 13:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | ping me if you're interested |
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| 13:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=pas414hr-va5r |
| 13:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | (that's the component that breaks after 6 months usage of N900, and causes RTC to lose time on every swap of main battery) |
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| 13:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | I'd also consider to do this fancy, if I receive 10 preorders a` 4.00EUR |
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| 13:11.30 | edheldil | mine is working yet ... :) |
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| 13:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | lucky you |
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| 13:22.05 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: and how often does one need to replace that thing? every 6 months? |
| 13:22.22 | SpeedEvil | checks. |
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| 13:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: nah, this component is supposed to be more durable than the original one, it should last 'fiorever' |
| 13:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | forever* |
| 13:26.52 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: At least in my case, bupbat is fine - 2 min or so poweroff ad came back with same time |
| 13:26.55 | SpeedEvil | battery out |
| 13:27.29 | dm8tbr | needs to check his. it was unreliable for a while, haven't noticed anything though recently |
| 13:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | the original one also was meant to last like 1000 cycles, but the component been of poor quality. So I can't promise anything, except this technology is inherently more robust |
| 13:28.24 | SpeedEvil | 18mo old or so |
| 13:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | it's not a friggin LiIon cell but a very large capacitor that doesn't mind deep discharge or overcharging |
| 13:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 2 min are a poor figure. It should last like several weeks |
| 13:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'm down to 30s here |
| 13:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | not that I'd bother too much, I also prefer to have ntpd/netdate running and usually never pop out main bat. But ZogG been so desperate... |
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| 13:42.15 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i've been meaning to look in to using ntpd - how does it effect power consumption? |
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| 13:43.04 | BCMM | (incidentally, i'm not sure the in-build automatic time update is doing anything - how is it supposed to work? GSM, internet, GPS? |
| 13:43.07 | BCMM | ) |
| 13:43.19 | BCMM | s/in-build/built-in/ |
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| 13:44.33 | edheldil | BCMM: I would guess GSM, but maybe Nokia optimized that out as well :( |
| 13:45.03 | abissom | BCMM: the inbuilt time update generally depends on gsm. the operator sends a signal to the device. not all operators do though |
| 13:45.11 | BCMM | edheldil: well, it's quite possible for a network to suck |
| 13:45.27 | BCMM | it's kinda teh default state of a mobile operator |
| 13:45.44 | BCMM | is there any way to get the time from the GPS subsystem? |
| 13:46.01 | edheldil | heh. It worked on my previous phone with the same operator, but I haven't checked it with n900 |
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| 13:46.23 | abissom | our operator used to provide it.. till recently :'( now they update to gmt! we're at gmt+2 |
| 13:46.32 | BCMM | i mean, seems to me like the ideal way to keep the time frighteningly accurate would be to update it every time the GPS is being used anyway |
| 13:47.22 | edheldil | actually, ntp can do that, at least generally |
| 13:48.12 | BCMM | edheldil: can do what? use GPS hardware? |
| 13:48.31 | BCMM | ooh! http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpsrecorder/ |
| 13:48.41 | BCMM | "Automatically updates system time according to GPS time." |
| 13:48.52 | edheldil | heh |
| 13:49.31 | BCMM | still, why on earth can't maemo be set up to just do it whenever the gps is in use anyway? |
| 13:50.15 | Appiah | ? |
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| 13:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: built-in time adjust works with GSM, has a flaw as in "gsm registers too fast/too early during boot" - for me it helped to switch to flight mode and back to phone mode, so GSM re-registers and makes carrier resend the time msg |
| 13:53.30 | BCMM | ah, that makes a lot of sense |
| 13:53.32 | BCMM | thanks |
| 13:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: ntpd is suboptimal for intermittent connectivity, but shouldn't have too much impact on battery life |
| 13:53.55 | BCMM | nevertheless, GPS time is surely superior |
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| 13:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | sure, if you are in a location where you can get GPS easily and fast |
| 13:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | alas it seems maemo doesn't use GPS time at all |
| 13:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | to adjust RTC/systime |
| 13:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | NB AGPS as well needs connectivity, so the benefit over ntpdate isn't really existing |
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| 14:34.50 | GAN900 | dances. |
| 14:34.56 | GAN900 | x220 shipped |
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| 16:43.51 | citylights | when I switch profile to silent I can no longer hear a remote party during a call |
| 16:44.00 | citylights | is it a bug? |
| 16:44.38 | ShadowJK | works for me |
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| 16:50.09 | compengi | how can i delete emails from inbox in bulk? |
| 16:50.20 | citylights | ShadowJK: do you also see this? |
| 16:50.41 | ShadowJK | citylights: nope |
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| 16:51.44 | citylights | I change to silent using a dbus command |
| 16:51.57 | Dhraakellian | how doable/(im)practical would it be to do full-drive encryption on the n900? |
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| 16:53.19 | citylights | ShadowJK: can you change profile using dbus to silent and test? |
| 16:53.43 | compengi | and btw, why do i have /usr/sbin/browserd always running and it eats alot of memory too and when i open the browser /usr/bin/browser is started and it eats memory too |
| 16:54.05 | ShadowJK | I don't use dbus |
| 16:54.44 | ShadowJK | browserd renders IMs and web pages. browser provides a user interface for it |
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| 16:57.59 | citylights | ShadowJK: pls issue dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"silent" |
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| 16:58.34 | ShadowJK | if it makes phonecalls stop working, I think I shouldn't do it? :P |
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| 16:59.45 | citylights | it just changes profile |
| 17:00.23 | ShadowJK | So then you could compare it against using the normal way of switching profile? |
| 17:00.55 | compengi | ShadowJK, okay.. do you know any quick way to delete +2k emails from modest? |
| 17:01.22 | ShadowJK | I don't know of anything that's quick in modest :) |
| 17:02.06 | compengi | lol |
| 17:02.11 | compengi | not even manually |
| 17:02.12 | compengi | ? |
| 17:02.53 | ShadowJK | Never really thought of that as I use imap and have no email storage on device |
| 17:02.53 | Dhraakellian | ShadowJK: I know of things that are quicker in modest than in kmail touch |
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| 17:04.54 | compengi | ShadowJK, i use imap too, but it still stores emails in inbox |
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| 17:06.14 | Dhraakellian | cached stuff? |
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| 17:08.54 | compengi | Dhraakellian, there is Inbox and there is .All\ /Mail folder |
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| 17:10.36 | compengi | when i delete something from .All\ /Mail folder it gets resynced with the server and the changes role back, but modifying inbox is a permanent change |
| 17:11.03 | compengi | i can access it also when i don't have internet |
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| 17:12.24 | compengi | i like the way it is right now, but i don't want to have +4.5k of emails in my inbox, as it takes the application too much time to load them |
| 17:12.48 | compengi | and scrolling is abit laggy too |
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| 17:13.29 | compengi | so i want to get rid of all old emails and have only the latest in my inbox |
| 17:14.18 | compengi | is there a quick way to delete emails in bulk? |
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| 17:20.31 | compengi | would pc suit help? |
| 17:20.54 | kerio | haha, modest is painfully slow with 3 emails here |
| 17:21.05 | kerio | how can you stand it with 4k emails |
| 17:21.41 | compengi | hehe |
| 17:22.06 | compengi | i'm patient i guess :P |
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| 17:27.39 | Dhraakellian | clear out you inbox? |
| 17:28.11 | Dhraakellian | immediatel sort everything into folders? |
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| 17:28.24 | Dhraakellian | regularly, rather |
| 17:28.33 | Dhraakellian | compengi: ? |
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| 17:34.37 | compengi | Dhraakellian, how to clear the inbox folder? |
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| 17:37.25 | Dhraakellian | compengi: from what you said, I gather you have a ton of stuff in your inbox |
| 17:38.23 | Dhraakellian | what I'm suggesting is getting the mountain of old stuff moved out of the inbox by sorting it into othe folders |
| 17:38.59 | Dhraakellian | and then only keeping the most recent incoming mail in the inbox |
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| 17:40.04 | Dhraakellian | s/othe/other/ |
| 17:41.49 | compengi | Dhraakellian, that's a really good idea.. do you know how to select the emails quickly, instead of clicking over 4k emails :P |
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| 17:42.31 | Dhraakellian | desktop client or webmail |
| 17:43.19 | Dhraakellian | set up some (serverside?) filters, perhaps |
| 17:43.29 | compengi | hmm.. |
| 17:44.03 | Dhraakellian | I use modest to read email |
| 17:44.12 | Dhraakellian | and sometimes send |
| 17:44.49 | Dhraakellian | for managing it and such, I stick to kmail on the desktop |
| 17:45.24 | Dhraakellian | (or gmail web interface to set up filters for automatic sorting) |
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| 18:36.26 | MohammadAG | mc_teo, umm, what? |
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| 18:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: umm should, yeah |
| 18:43.39 | mc_teo | i mean programmatically |
| 18:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure |
| 18:43.54 | mc_teo | a command would work |
| 18:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | I guess the .desktop file should help a lot |
| 18:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | it either has a shell cmd, or a dbus-send msg |
| 18:44.38 | mc_teo | yes... |
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| 18:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | anyway MohammadAG should know how to open mediaplayer on audio tab, from e.g. a desktop widget |
| 18:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | I gather you'd want music, not initial screen |
| 18:47.11 | mc_teo | the .desktop file just launchs /usr/bin/mediaplayer |
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| 18:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | yes, and that opens the music/video/radio/whatnot main screen |
| 18:47.35 | mc_teo | well yes |
| 18:48.00 | anidel | may be sending an empty (NULL) file name to play? it MAY work? just throwing crap here |
| 18:48.13 | idont | MohammadAG: I've ported Nokia's busybox patches to upstream busybox (those which aren't already in upstream). I did this primarily for myself, but thought I could share the results as well, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997421&postcount=26. Might be a nice enhancement to the CSSU (as in updates to the core system/enhanced featureset (colored ls, swapon with priority support, etc.)? |
| 18:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how to open mediaplayer on music page? |
| 18:48.34 | Jaffa | idont: Sounds good. |
| 18:48.43 | mc_teo | it doesnt really matter, just wanted to ensure it was open before recieving dbus commands |
| 18:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | idont: please also bring back help cmd |
| 18:49.10 | idont | Jaffa: Sources are to be found in the linked TMO post |
| 18:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | errr, sorry that's been bash |
| 18:49.46 | idont | It will need some more testing though, but so far so good (no errors, survived reboots etc.) |
| 18:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, highly risky improvement |
| 18:50.06 | mc_teo | i can open a file with a dbus command with the file location set to "" |
| 18:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: PING!!! |
| 18:51.19 | mc_teo | but it gives a error, "File not found", and proceeds to play a random song |
| 18:51.21 | mc_teo | which is actually desireable |
| 18:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: when I click on my mp3 desktop widget, it opens mediaplayer on music current song page. No idea how it does that |
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| 18:52.31 | idont | Anyway, I got to go. I ain't too much on IRC, so if anyone needs me PM'ing/emailing is probably the quickest way to contact me. |
| 18:53.18 | idont | As DocScrutinizer pointed out: it is a risky improvement, so any testing/feedback is greatly appreciated |
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| 18:54.39 | idont | I don't know how the whole CSSU process goes; if you guys want to pursue getting it into the CSSU I guess I'll be hearing something from someone? |
| 18:57.30 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pong |
| 18:57.55 | ZogG | MohammadAG chess and mate |
| 18:57.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | how to open mediaplayer on current song page? |
| 18:58.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: like music desktop widget does |
| 18:58.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | on clicking it |
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| 18:59.33 | MohammadAG | umm, dbus, sec |
| 18:59.52 | MohammadAG | something like open_mp_now_playing |
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| 19:01.09 | MohammadAG | dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.open_mp_now_playing |
| 19:01.12 | MohammadAG | I think |
| 19:02.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | thnx |
| 19:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep, works. |
| 19:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | but where's mc_theo now?? :-S |
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| 19:13.15 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 19:13.20 | MohammadAG | thoughts on upstream busybox? |
| 19:14.15 | kerio | busybox is balls |
| 19:14.20 | kerio | get rid of it |
| 19:14.24 | kerio | plzkthx |
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| 19:36.35 | Jaffa | kerio: Patches welcome to replace all the dependency on it, deal with the increased rootfs space and come up and organise extensive testing |
| 19:36.58 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Depends on the size of the changes and the actual benefit |
| 19:37.20 | kerio | Jaffa: damn, i'm busy today |
| 19:38.01 | Jaffa | Right, so busybox'll probably stay then ;-) |
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| 19:38.39 | kerio | yeah ç_ç |
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| 19:40.01 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'm more worried about boot loops than lost space |
| 19:40.40 | SpeedEvil | Bisybox is noticably faster than some other things |
| 19:40.47 | SpeedEvil | Simply as most code stays loaded |
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| 20:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 20:49.37 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 20:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | and 100% ack for MohammadAG 's concerns |
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| 20:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | honestly we got more than enough space on N900 |
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| 20:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | damn, friggin 32GB, I think I had no computer with that much storage until maybe 5 years ago, and all of my computers since 20 years run linux |
| 20:52.01 | cityLights | hi |
| 20:52.15 | cityLights | I need help to save and restore the volume |
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| 20:52.30 | cityLights | I use python - so I installed python-mafw |
| 20:52.49 | cityLights | but can't find how to get the volume level |
| 20:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: dbus |
| 20:53.05 | cityLights | I do this as I found a bug |
| 20:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | see wiki phonecontrol |
| 20:53.18 | cityLights | right - saw it |
| 20:53.43 | cityLights | but that dbus line doesnt look like I can use it with python-mafw |
| 20:54.23 | cityLights | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_volume |
| 20:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | ummm, you can use it with anything that knows how to either invoke dbus-send or to access dbus directly |
| 20:54.45 | MohammadAG | cityLights, you need to get the mafw_extension property |
| 20:55.04 | cityLights | let me start by asking if this is a bug: |
| 20:55.08 | MohammadAG | knows how to do it in C |
| 20:55.18 | cityLights | when I cahnge the profile using the python-alarm |
| 20:55.35 | cityLights | the volume of the speaker is muted |
| 20:55.44 | cityLights | need I report it? |
| 20:56.05 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafw/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line337 |
| 20:56.13 | cityLights | I mean that if I change the profile during a call , I can't hear the remote party |
| 20:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I think volume is part of the profile specific settings |
| 20:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | nfc how it works in detail, I'd start to read source of tweakr to learn about it |
| 20:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | but it's quite possible that this isn't supposed to happen - change profile during call. Might reset audio mixer to default so the call audio path gets lost |
| 21:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | if that's actually the case then that's a flaw that's hard to fix. Just avoid changing profile during call then |
| 21:00.08 | cityLights | and then if I switch back to general the audio restarts again |
| 21:01.14 | cityLights | MohammadAG: good night , can you help me do this in python? |
| 21:01.29 | cityLights | I looked at https://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-mafw/blobs/master/examples/source_browsing.py |
| 21:01.55 | cityLights | only method relevant I found is https://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-mafw/blobs/master/examples/source_browsing.py |
| 21:03.09 | cityLights | I also saw this http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/shared/mafw_support.py |
| 21:03.20 | cityLights | but can't really tell what it means |
| 21:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | actually switching profiles during a call is a rather bizarre idea. Could happen accidentally by automatic profile switchers, so the profile switcher should catch that situation and postpone the actaul switching til after call finished |
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| 21:09.56 | MohammadAG | cityLights, I suck at python :/ |
| 21:10.11 | cityLights | is shapeshifter better? |
| 21:10.17 | cityLights | ~seen shapeshifter |
| 21:10.27 | infobot | shapeshifter is currently on #maemo (1d 8h 21m 35s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 1d 6h 11m 40s, last said: 'cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome'. |
| 21:10.58 | cityLights | shapeshifter: can you shade light on using python-mafw? |
| 21:11.09 | cityLights | to get volume level |
| 21:12.18 | MohammadAG | probably |
| 21:13.12 | cityLights | I wonder if he is in a close time zone |
| 21:13.35 | MohammadAG | what's wrong with using DBus? |
| 21:13.45 | MohammadAG | in the end, that's what mafw does |
| 21:16.04 | cityLights | I can do os.system() but I am not sure how to handle the return value |
| 21:16.16 | cityLights | and would do it the "right way" |
| 21:16.47 | cityLights | I do find it hard using some python modules with little documatioin |
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| 21:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | aah still about that meeting profile switcher? |
| 21:20.54 | cityLights | yes |
| 21:21.18 | cityLights | MohammadAG: you said you know how to do it in C |
| 21:21.27 | cityLights | do you use mafw-gst-eq-renderer? |
| 21:21.37 | cityLights | and mafw_extension_get_property |
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| 21:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: I honestly don't get it why you'd need mafw access or messing with volume, to switch profile on a certain time |
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| 21:25.14 | cityLights | assume I am having a call , and during that time a meeting begins |
| 21:25.15 | MohammadAG | cityLights, I showed you how I do it |
| 21:25.37 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafw/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line337 |
| 21:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: yes, so you wait until call finished, then switch profile |
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| 21:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | you don't really want the device to switch profile during a call, as a call has its own profile anyway. That's why switching profile during a call does weird things |
| 21:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | actually that's a flaw in profile switcher (lib?) which should postpone the real switching to another mixer setting until after call has finished. I'm quite sure Nokia missed that "race condition" |
| 21:29.45 | cityLights | I also had a better question |
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| 21:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | so you should do it in your own app, check if a call is in progress, and if yess then wait until you see call-finished on dbus, then set your new profile |
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| 21:30.40 | cityLights | can I leave a hook to call a function after a program terminates? |
| 21:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | umm, not generally |
| 21:31.08 | cityLights | assume I want my program to run when even the calender db is changed |
| 21:31.31 | cityLights | must I use dbus-script to hunt this call? |
| 21:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | you can use inotify to get a callback on files changing |
| 21:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | you can use a wrapper around specific apps to call something after main app finished |
| 21:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | you can poll ps to tell when a process finished |
| 21:32.25 | cityLights | I want the program to quit, and only leave when a meeting is about to start OR the calender db is changed |
| 21:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | but I'm not aware of any means other than monitor like strace/gdb to get a notification at quit of an arbitrary process |
| 21:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | calendar db changed is easily catchable via inotify |
| 21:34.20 | GAN900 | Jaffa, can you easily figure out who wrote what percentage of each article (excepting C&P quotes) from EtherPad? |
| 21:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | see how e.g trackerd is montitoring files and whole directories for any change |
| 21:34.35 | GAN900 | Then use that to decide who to attribute. |
| 21:34.47 | GAN900 | (or is that just waaay overcomplicating things. . . .) |
| 21:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | lo gan |
| 21:35.15 | GAN900 | Hey-ho |
| 21:37.30 | cityLights | question is how is more expensive inotify or dbus-scripts |
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| 21:38.20 | cityLights | well I guess I'll wait for some one that knows how to change the volume from python |
| 21:38.23 | cityLights | and read it |
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| 21:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: so you set up an inotify monitor on calendar.db file, and every time you get notification it has changed you can scan it for events that have a 'magic' comment like "Xprofile=meeting" |
| 21:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | then you pass the change-profile alarm events to alarmed, after deleting your old ones |
| 21:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | done you are |
| 21:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | the change-profile_during_call issue is a bug that should get handled in whatever system actually is dealing with the profile stuff in maemo |
| 21:41.16 | cityLights | I need to learn about inotify |
| 21:41.29 | cityLights | I guess its a service that needs to be running |
| 21:41.47 | DocScrutinizer | inotify is some sort of kernel service I think |
| 21:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | actually ilesystem |
| 21:42.10 | cityLights | question is how expensive it is |
| 21:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | it's really cheap, best you can get |
| 21:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | man 7 inotify |
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| 21:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | >>The inotify API provides a mechanism for monitoring file system events. Inotify can be used to monitor individual files, or to monitor directories. When a directory is monitored, inotify will return events for the directory itself, and for files inside the directory. |
| 21:44.05 | cityLights | ok |
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| 21:51.04 | BCMM | cityLights: inotify isn't a daemon or anything; it's a kernel API |
| 21:51.35 | cityLights | ok |
| 21:51.49 | BCMM | the kernel itself notifies you when a file is modified, and no polling happens |
| 21:52.06 | BCMM | presumably, it hooks directly into file access stuff or something |
| 21:52.25 | BCMM | doesn't matter, point is there is no polling and therefore effectively 0 overhead |
| 21:52.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup, fs inodes |
| 21:52.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess |
| 21:53.20 | cehteh | well it eats some kernel resources (memory) when you watch many files |
| 21:53.43 | BCMM | i did say "effectively" :) |
| 21:53.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, really lighweight and best you can get except direct notification from the process that changes that file |
| 21:53.57 | BCMM | Beagle desktop search is often configured to have inotify watches on a user's entire home directory (so it knows when to update search indices), and this doesn't seem to cause any trouble |
| 21:54.02 | cityLights | ok , got that , can anyone please help me get the volume level in python? |
| 21:54.10 | cityLights | I am lost in google with |
| 21:54.28 | cityLights | Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer |
| 21:55.06 | cityLights | Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin gives me an equlizer plugin |
| 21:55.25 | BCMM | cityLights: have a look at phone-control |
| 21:55.28 | cityLights | need I find a gstremer answer? |
| 21:55.43 | cityLights | yes, I am looking to use python-mafw |
| 21:55.44 | BCMM | it gets and sets the volume level using dbus-send |
| 21:55.49 | BCMM | oh, sorry |
| 21:56.16 | cityLights | mafw_object = bus.get_object('com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer','/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer') |
| 21:56.38 | BCMM | also, i think i was wrong and it only sets |
| 21:56.38 | cityLights | but am stuck beyond this |
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| 21:57.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | BCMM: nah, gets as well |
| 21:57.36 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer51: how? |
| 21:57.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | isn't it in phonecontrol yet? |
| 21:58.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought I added it |
| 21:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_volume |
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| 22:05.44 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to be in /usr/bin/phone-control, i meant |
| 22:05.49 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: I did the fancy to try and change profile during call. Waht's the problem you're facing? |
| 22:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 22:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: worked flawlessly for me |
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| 22:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | I changed the profile via status menu |
| 22:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | several times, to different profiles, incl silent |
| 22:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | speakerphone continued without any problem, silent mode took effect on everything (except phonecall of course) when I tested it after call ended |
| 22:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: so what's your problem? why do you need to mess around with volume setting, on changing profile? |
| 22:12.46 | cityLights | pls try issueing the profile change from a terminal using the dbus-send |
| 22:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 22:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | will do |
| 22:13.25 | telmich | has the problem since today that I don't hear anything on a phonecall, nor does the other side hear me |
| 22:13.46 | telmich | I've checked the volume control, but did not see any obvious problem - any hint on what me be wrong? |
| 22:13.56 | lcuk | telmich, are you holding phone the right way round? |
| 22:14.42 | telmich | lcuk: erm...hope so very much |
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| 22:15.02 | telmich | *retry* |
| 22:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: damn, that's broken even to start with listing of available profiles |
| 22:15.23 | lcuk | telmich, am jesting, have you given a reboot a try? |
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| 22:16.22 | telmich | weired |
| 22:16.30 | telmich | lcuk: now it work, yes, tried rebooting before |
| 22:16.51 | telmich | and i can hear the sound clearly, i.e. it's loud enough to be heard indpendent of the phone rotation |
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| 22:20.17 | MohammadAG | Unity's not that bad tbh |
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| 22:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please can you check which one of PR1.3 or CSSU is causing breakage of http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#List_all_profiles |
| 22:22.30 | MohammadAG | none |
| 22:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I defined new profiles with tweakr, I can select them as usual via status menu, but they don't show up in that dbus call anymore |
| 22:22.52 | MohammadAG | Why blame the CSSU? profiled's closed |
| 22:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | they do on my pr1.2PK system |
| 22:23.19 | MohammadAG | Then it's probably PR1.3 |
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| 22:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | OUCH!!!! |
| 22:23.35 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 22:23.38 | MohammadAG | you said or CSSU |
| 22:23.42 | GAN900 | I wish they hadn't used those horrible icons. |
| 22:23.44 | MohammadAG | it's not the CSSU then :p |
| 22:23.59 | MohammadAG | again profiled's closed source afaik |
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| 22:24.10 | MohammadAG | and even if it was open, I never changed anything |
| 22:24.12 | GAN900 | Stupid squares are hard to differentiate. |
| 22:24.45 | MohammadAG | GAN900, unity? |
| 22:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | well whatever it is, it worked e.g in alarmed to switch profiles to user custom profiles. Now I'm stuck with fsckng "general" and "silent" |
| 22:25.19 | MohammadAG | to me it looks like they went with a Windows 7-ish style launcher |
| 22:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | first of all, can you confirm please? |
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| 22:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | might be just me and a borked database or sth |
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| 22:26.29 | MohammadAG | sure |
| 22:26.32 | MohammadAG | installs tweakr |
| 22:27.20 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: thnaks for all your help |
| 22:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: yw. Thanks for pushing my nose into this annoying bug |
| 22:27.45 | cityLights | I am still strugelling with pythona dn dbus and get volume level |
| 22:27.59 | cityLights | how to fix it? |
| 22:28.06 | cityLights | need I report it? |
| 22:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | no clue yet. I ran into that http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#List_all_profiles bug halfway to trying to confirm your bug. Both might well be related |
| 22:29.32 | cityLights | haha |
| 22:29.35 | cityLights | found it! |
| 22:29.58 | cityLights | persistence is good |
| 22:30.07 | cityLights | and a speller also |
| 22:32.13 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm pretty sure tweakr doesn't add a profile to profiled |
| 22:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yet it does here |
| 22:33.00 | cityLights | may I add this to the wiki? or to publish in talk? |
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| 22:34.17 | MohammadAG | anyway, yeah, only returns general and silent |
| 22:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | this quite effectively breaks whole profile function |
| 22:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | MMPF!!! on t900 (pr1.2+++) it also returns solent and general only, yet alarmed knows about my custom profiles |
| 22:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | so we'd need to ask Shapeshifter how he managed to accomplish this miracle |
| 22:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | aside from that dbus-call seems has always been borked |
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| 22:41.24 | cityLights | sorry |
| 22:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | yet something different broke from pr1.2 -> pr1.3.3.7 |
| 22:41.45 | cityLights | but I do want to report it - may I |
| 22:41.47 | cityLights | ? |
| 22:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | that something is what shapeshifter is using to determine his profiles offered for switching-profile function |
| 22:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | report what exactly? |
| 22:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: of course you're free to report whatever you like, anytime you like. I just want to make sure your report is actually helping to trace down and fix the root cause |
| 22:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: which profiles you got to switch between them? |
| 22:44.16 | cityLights | silent and general |
| 22:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:44.24 | cityLights | but I must to this tommorow |
| 22:44.36 | cityLights | just dont let me forget |
| 22:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | nah, we'll pick that up tomorrow for sure. I need to get me a beer in my pub now |
| 22:46.24 | cityLights | cheers mate |
| 22:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | if anybody's wondering what to do to fight the boredom: there's Shapeshifter's alarmed app waiting to have a look into it to find how the profiles there are obtained and manage to show the user profiles created by tweakr, while the dbus-call recommended there http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#List_all_profiles fails to do that |
| 22:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | cheers, bbl |
| 22:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | s/manage to show/managed (in PR1.2) to show/ |
| 22:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | on a lower hurdle, anybody with a plain PR1.3 could install tweakr, create a custom profile, install alarmed and see if that profile is shown in "new event switch profile" in alarmed |
| 22:52.05 | MohammadAG | again, profiled's closed... |
| 22:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless |
| 22:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | I noticed the status menu profile switching broke when I changed the icon sequence in status bar |
| 22:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | so while profiled may be closed and unchanged, anything else may cause this problem with profiled |
| 22:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | I got two systems here, one is working, the other one not. It's normal to try and narrow down what exactly caused the break |
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| 22:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, l8r |
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| 23:23.36 | kwtm | MohammadAG: So, continuing our conversation from #ubuntu, how do I "apt-get --download-only install" my N900 *.deb packages so that I can retain them instead of having them disappear in a puff of smoke? I intend to store them on my home system so that, if for some reason I lose Net connectivity on the N900, I can still reinstall by packages without needing an accessible Maemo repository. |
| 23:24.32 | MohammadAG | kwtm, you want to clone the whole repo? |
| 23:24.48 | MohammadAG | apt-mirror afaik, merlin1991 should know about that |
| 23:25.22 | MohammadAG | I keep my /var/cache/apt/archives on MyDocs, reflashing + restoring doesn't take more than 30 mins |
| 23:25.59 | kwtm | MohammadAG: No, just the packages I download. I mean, I downloaded them, I might as well hang on to them if I've got room on the 1TB drive so I don't have to download them again. |
| 23:26.39 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Wait, /var/cache/apt/archives exists? I thought the N900 automagically Houdini'd them afterward "for better efficiency". |
| 23:26.47 | kwtm | Just like how the man files disappear. |
| 23:26.59 | MohammadAG | kwtm, well, not if you use HAM |
| 23:27.12 | MohammadAG | actually there's a way to disable purging packages by HAM |
| 23:27.18 | MohammadAG | not in the GUI though |
| 23:27.18 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Oh, so manual "apt-get install" will preserve them, then? |
| 23:27.34 | MohammadAG | and yeah, it exists |
| 23:27.36 | MohammadAG | 1.4G MyDocs/archives |
| 23:28.07 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 23:28.09 | MohammadAG | just move them to MyDocs, / won't hold a lot of packages :P |
| 23:30.02 | kwtm | Good to know. Thx! |
| 23:30.14 | MohammadAG | kwtm, apt-get --reinstall -d install $(dpkg -l | grep ii | grep -v \<none\> | awk '{print $2}' | xargs) |
| 23:30.23 | MohammadAG | that will download all debs for installed packages |
| 23:30.32 | MohammadAG | keep in mind that includes preinstalled stuff |
| 23:30.39 | MohammadAG | (calculator, maps etc) |
| 23:30.55 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: yeah, Unity. |
| 23:31.39 | MohammadAG | for user packages apt-get -d --reinstall install $(maemo-list-user-packages | awk '{print $1}' | xargs) |
| 23:31.58 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, icons are windows 7-y |
| 23:32.02 | MohammadAG | but I kinda like it |
| 23:32.10 | kwtm | Thx. |
| 23:32.43 | GeneralAntilles | The squares are terrible. |
| 23:32.48 | GeneralAntilles | Makes it hard to tell between icons. |
| 23:32.53 | GeneralAntilles | You need shapes as well as colors. |
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