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| 00:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | clmbr: thoroughly rinse with clean water, then with pure alcohol. Then dry for AT LEAST one week, at increased temperature (I always suggest fan of your PC) |
| 00:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | oh, I forgot: use canned pressurized air to blow away the liquids from mainboard |
| 00:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | consider there are BGA chips that are like 20*20mm, with several hundered conatct balls that are soldered to the PCB, and the gap between chip case and PCB is <0.1mm |
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| 00:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | takes a while for water to dry when it got in there, shorting those balls |
| 00:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | inserting battery too early will cause electrolytic damage to the metals there, and device is definitely broken once some important part is eroded |
| 00:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | water inside LCD may cause backlight dispenser get very darkish |
| 00:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | no chance to dry that even in weeks |
| 00:49.05 | kwtm | Oh oh. Someone's N900 got wet? |
| 00:49.37 | kwtm | Oh, wait, "rinse with clean water". Something worse than water got into someone's N900? |
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| 00:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | read [2011-04-27 01:00:08] <clmbr> Hey all...is anybody familiar w/ water damaged N900. The device has been disassembled and dried out. But the screen is very dark and almost unusable? << ff |
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| 00:51.11 | kwtm | Ahh... sorry to hear that. Oh, I see. Agree with DocScrutinizer re: water; and use distilled if possible (avoiding electrolytes). |
| 00:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | alcohol greatly reduces drying time |
| 00:52.22 | kwtm | True. Hard to get pure alcohol (not sure where you live) but we do have 90% which is probably ok. |
| 00:52.43 | kwtm | On that note, are N900's still for sale? I myself am planning ahead for when/if my own N900 gets damaged. |
| 00:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | yep, everything >70% is hygroscopic afaik |
| 00:53.01 | kwtm | Now that Nokia's not really coming out with a successor, and I'm not sure Samsung's Linux Phone is coming out. |
| 00:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | there should be new ones on ebay still |
| 00:54.27 | kwtm | Man, maybe --just maybe-- I should buy myself an extra one. Should be able to get a tax writeoff, and I'm just thinking of the day when mine falls out of a moving car or something, and I already dumped my old Treo 650. |
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| 00:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | I dropped mine a few days ago, and then even stepped on it :-o |
| 00:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | now the metal frame has quite a few scars |
| 00:59.36 | SpeedEvil | I've only stepped gently on mine. |
| 01:00.03 | SpeedEvil | It has no scars, as it's living in a nasty crystal case. |
| 01:01.08 | nox- | heh amazon germany still has them too |
| 01:02.17 | kwtm | I put mine in an Otter case. Anyone have experience with that? It looks pretty rugged, but I'm still worried about screen cracks. |
| 01:02.33 | SpeedEvil | You can get spare LCDs |
| 01:02.57 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: nasty crystal? You mean it covers the screen, too? Ohh.. spare parts for N900 would dry up pretty soon, though, wouldn't it? It's not a standard part like a microUSB charger... |
| 01:03.10 | SpeedEvil | No - it doesn't cover the screen |
| 01:03.19 | kwtm | Oh, right, duhhh... touch screen. |
| 01:03.44 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-N-900-Crystal-Cover-Hard-Case-LCD-Film-/150593087416?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item23100c27b8 |
| 01:03.54 | SpeedEvil | With a screen protector too. |
| 01:04.16 | SpeedEvil | Which Ineed to change as I got my keys in wrong pocket again |
| 01:04.22 | SpeedEvil | Or it may have been screws |
| 01:04.59 | kwtm | Wait... that's not real, is it? that web site? crystal case for one UKP? |
| 01:05.04 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:05.32 | SpeedEvil | 2.98 - shipping too |
| 01:05.37 | kwtm | Aww, it's even in Hong Kong. We could just walk over and buy it from the guy. |
| 01:05.42 | kwtm | If we were in Hong Kong |
| 01:05.46 | kwtm | visiting the in-laws. |
| 01:06.38 | SpeedEvil | http://phones.shop.ebay.co.uk/Replacement-Parts-Tools-/43304/i.html?_nkw=n900+lcd&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282 |
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| 01:13.06 | uhsf | Sony should have chosen MeeGo for their upcoming S1 and S2 devices. It would have distinguished them much more than some funky hardware designs. Android is so lame. |
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| 02:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | uhsf, yes. |
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| 04:56.22 | keks-n | I've never thought that I would use VPN service to "unlock" the access to linux repositories |
| 05:01.40 | chx | dont worry it'll get worse. |
| 05:01.45 | chx | with that said, good night |
| 05:06.03 | RST38h | yawns |
| 05:06.18 | RST38h | Anyone still alive here? =) |
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| 05:20.49 | keks-n | yep |
| 05:21.40 | keks-n | It 9:20 AM where I am |
| 05:21.54 | keks-n | *It's |
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| 06:49.33 | mece | \o |
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| 06:57.12 | psycho_oreos | ambidexterity? ;) |
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| 06:57.42 | mece | yeah |
| 06:57.47 | mece | I'm awesome that way |
| 06:58.06 | mece | Not everyone can wave with both hands |
| 06:58.20 | doc|home | stop being mean to the one-handed you bastard |
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| 07:00.09 | psycho_oreos | luckily you're not cursed for using left hand. Back maybe at least 70 odd years ago, one would have got their hands beaten if they tried to become south paws |
| 07:00.49 | doc|home | less time than that in more than a few countries |
| 07:00.56 | abissom | is left-handed |
| 07:01.26 | abissom | :) |
| 07:02.17 | psycho_oreos | that smiley is right handed however D: |
| 07:02.26 | EdLin | is also left-handed (: |
| 07:03.02 | abissom | lol... u remind me of a friend who types all his smilies left-side right |
| 07:03.15 | robbiethe1st | is left handed also |
| 07:03.40 | robbiethe1st | ...I think at least 25-50% of nerds are left-handed |
| 07:03.43 | EdLin | I usually do it the normal way, simply because it screws up most people's icons for smilies otherwise. |
| 07:04.39 | EdLin | left handed people are more creative and intelligent. ;-) |
| 07:05.20 | psycho_oreos | according to wikipedia, creative for left handers is true |
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| 07:05.26 | EdLin | either that, or we've simply lived with too much adversity from right-handed tool design. |
| 07:06.00 | robbiethe1st | Probably |
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| 07:07.06 | psycho_oreos | hence some left handers claim ambidexterity :) |
| 07:07.39 | robbiethe1st | 'Course, in the computer world, one wonders about certain things, like the default position of minimise/maximise/close on the right. I think that's actually more useful for lefties than righties |
| 07:07.40 | psycho_oreos | having to cope with tools that were meant to be used with right hand when you're left handed probably would make you become dual-handed :) |
| 07:07.58 | EdLin | robbiethe1st not on os x, unfortunately. |
| 07:08.14 | robbiethe1st | Yea, I know. Really screws me up, Ed |
| 07:08.17 | psycho_oreos | or anything that has the macosx theme in the very least |
| 07:08.17 | EdLin | or gnome 1 |
| 07:08.42 | robbiethe1st | And yea, I've learned to use both hands for my mouse; my left hand's far more accurate, though. |
| 07:08.54 | EdLin | I remember how bad gnome 1's default scheme was... |
| 07:08.54 | robbiethe1st | (especially once I got a proper lefty-mouse) |
| 07:09.05 | robbiethe1st | <3 KDE |
| 07:09.19 | EdLin | robbiethe1st you have a lefty mouse? is it wireless? |
| 07:09.42 | robbiethe1st | Nope; I seriously /hate/ wireless mice. Left handed Razer DeathAdder. |
| 07:09.55 | EdLin | why do you hate wireless mice? |
| 07:10.12 | psycho_oreos | batteries I'd say :D |
| 07:10.22 | robbiethe1st | 'Cause they get lost, have batteries that need replacing or charging, and will hibernate/sleep between strokes. |
| 07:10.41 | robbiethe1st | Wired mice, well, you can usually find it by tracing the cable. |
| 07:10.44 | EdLin | mine never seems to hibernate at the wrong time. |
| 07:10.52 | EdLin | logitech |
| 07:11.11 | EdLin | forget the model, its a laser mouse. |
| 07:11.40 | robbiethe1st | I don't know, really. I just decided ages ago I didn't want wireless because I've never had good luck with battery powered devices |
| 07:11.47 | robbiethe1st | They are /always/ running out of power |
| 07:11.48 | psycho_oreos | wouldn't the model number be printed on the bottom of the mouse? unless of course that has been worn off over time :) |
| 07:12.01 | EdLin | robbiethe1st get rid of your internet tablet then. ;-) |
| 07:12.24 | robbiethe1st | It's one of few things that /doesn't/ run out of power, mainly because I'm charging it each night |
| 07:12.30 | EdLin | psycho_oreos nope, just logitech on the bottom. |
| 07:12.52 | psycho_oreos | EdLin, weird, I have a logitech mouse as well, though its wired and strictly for use with right hand |
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| 07:13.24 | EdLin | I just got one of the highest rated logitech wireless mice on newegg, that's how I picked it.... |
| 07:13.26 | robbiethe1st | <_< I used to use a Logitech G5... with my /left/ hand. |
| 07:13.52 | EdLin | speaking of newegg, I noticed the n900 is no longer for sale there, and a number of others only have "marketplace" selections. Is the n900 out of production? |
| 07:14.28 | FIQ|n900 | talking about battery-powered devices, since I got my first phone, to now with N900, i always run out of batteries |
| 07:14.32 | FIQ|n900 | ALWAYS |
| 07:14.39 | psycho_oreos | and my first experience with wireless keyboard and moues wasn't the best. That was when wireless peripherals were basically brand spanking new. Ever since I've used it, it has become a nuisance to change the batteries + the burden on spending batteries unless you go for rechargeable ones and hope they don't leak. Then again in my case it has leaked time and time again |
| 07:14.40 | FIQ|n900 | no matter how much i charge them |
| 07:14.48 | EdLin | my n810 doesn't run out until over a week is gone sometimes. |
| 07:14.51 | FIQ|n900 | i've ended up bringing a charger with me all the time |
| 07:15.00 | FIQ|n900 | that helps... kinda |
| 07:16.15 | psycho_oreos | N900 has already been out of production for quite awhile now. I managed to buy myself a second one after trying to visit every mobile phone shop there was on the street. The people all say the same thing.. "no longer made", "out of stock", "would you be interested in n8?" ..... -_-' |
| 07:17.09 | FIQ|n900 | heh |
| 07:17.18 | FIQ|n900 | n900 is pretty unique |
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| 07:17.28 | robbiethe1st | Oh, yes. Definitely |
| 07:17.38 | robbiethe1st | Not giving it up |
| 07:17.49 | FIQ|n900 | well |
| 07:17.53 | psycho_oreos | and some salespeople are pretty dumb trying to up-sell something that isn't what the customer wanted. :) |
| 07:18.02 | FIQ|n900 | my first N900 breaked |
| 07:18.18 | FIQ|n900 | instead of getting a new phone (as always), I got a new one |
| 07:18.33 | FIQ|n900 | well, mostly because of gurantee... |
| 07:18.40 | FIQ|n900 | but i would do it anyway :P |
| 07:18.50 | FIQ|n900 | er |
| 07:18.56 | FIQ|n900 | new one as in a new N900 |
| 07:18.59 | psycho_oreos | I haven't broken mine in a way that it could not be used yet but I believe its on its way out lol. |
| 07:19.16 | FIQ|n900 | My battery charger plug borked |
| 07:19.33 | psycho_oreos | yeah the microUSB socket, that was a big thing on t.m.o |
| 07:19.51 | robbiethe1st | Mine's going to probably break in a year or two, due to me OCing it to 1ghz+... But oh well, I'll buy another at that point. I /love/ how responsive it is |
| 07:20.05 | psycho_oreos | I made sure my second n900 after examining it before buying it that it had the revision number 2204 instead of 2101 |
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| 07:20.29 | FIQ|n900 | i got a new one for free :D (resulting in 2x of everything, as I just sent my N900 and nothing more, on reparation) |
| 07:20.35 | FIQ|n900 | 2 batteries :33 |
| 07:20.45 | psycho_oreos | damn! if only I was that lucky :| |
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| 07:21.05 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 07:21.11 | FIQ|n900 | can I check that somehow? |
| 07:21.18 | psycho_oreos | ahh well I can't complain, I have two N900, and some geeks would probably call me a nut for having two |
| 07:21.18 | FIQ|n900 | would be good to know |
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| 07:21.23 | psycho_oreos | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:21.30 | abissom | ll |
| 07:21.33 | abissom | ll |
| 07:21.42 | FIQ|n900 | Revision: 2101 |
| 07:21.51 | FIQ|n900 | that seems bad :( |
| 07:22.02 | psycho_oreos | I don't know if that's a failsafe method, but I think revision 2204 is the same as my old one and I haven't had the microusb socket yanked ou |
| 07:22.03 | FIQ|n900 | whatever, i'll just be careful |
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| 07:23.13 | psycho_oreos | no actually not that I think. It is exactly the same revision as my old one. I've read that t.m.o thread and asked a few unfortunate which revision they had, the results were coming up as < 2204 |
| 07:23.45 | FIQ|n900 | heh |
| 07:24.02 | FIQ|n900 | so... 2101 is one of the ones |
| 07:24.10 | psycho_oreos | like I said, its not foolproof method, my old n900 sometimes doesn't detect that its been plugged into a wall charger. I had to unplug it and plug it back in to make it work |
| 07:24.21 | psycho_oreos | s/work/charge/ |
| 07:24.47 | FIQ|n900 | that sounds like the problems I had before it breaked completly |
| 07:24.48 | psycho_oreos | that's what I'm going by for my assumptions yes |
| 07:25.09 | psycho_oreos | well yeah I guess mine would probably too be on its way out lol |
| 07:25.44 | psycho_oreos | it has no problems when plugged into powered USB hub which is then connected to the PC, just the wall charger connector |
| 07:26.25 | FIQ|n900 | doesn't the USB plug stick even harder? |
| 07:26.40 | FIQ|n900 | or car chargers, etc. (with same connector) |
| 07:27.11 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 07:27.26 | robbiethe1st | psycho_oreos: Remove bme and use jrbme? |
| 07:27.29 | psycho_oreos | not sure. Though I recall someone in here, I think it was DocScrutinizer said something about the rail marks on the microUSB male plug needs to be softened |
| 07:27.44 | FIQ|n900 | still, i like that my phone was fully charged when it happened |
| 07:28.05 | FIQ|n900 | so i could just backup everything without hestitating |
| 07:28.10 | psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st, haven't been adventurous yet, though once I get my other microSD in I will no doubt be experimenting those with me old phone :) |
| 07:28.20 | robbiethe1st | k |
| 07:29.58 | psycho_oreos | there's many other things I've wanted to experiment but have held back because I'm reluctant to break my one and only n900. That was then, now after making my new n900 almost a clone of my old one (software and setup-wise of course) I will no doubt be experimenting things like nitdroid + meego |
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| 07:31.35 | robbiethe1st | Make sure to use BackupMenu. |
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| 07:32.14 | psycho_oreos | you meant the v2 version :D |
| 07:32.49 | psycho_oreos | well I'm not too overly concerned if I screwed up my old n900, like I said, the other one is going to be my stable backup |
| 07:33.04 | robbiethe1st | Yea.. I /hope/ noone's using V1 anymore... |
| 07:33.21 | psycho_oreos | that reminds me, still no dice with uboot? |
| 07:33.42 | robbiethe1st | I've no clue how to implement it really |
| 07:33.47 | psycho_oreos | *nods* |
| 07:34.04 | robbiethe1st | I'm just a hack; pasting together huge amounts of poorly-written shell script. ;) |
| 07:34.22 | psycho_oreos | at least that tool made you popular :) |
| 07:34.35 | robbiethe1st | Yea, that's true. |
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| 07:35.39 | robbiethe1st | What's surprising is how well it works; it's actually darn fast, even with all the layers of abstraction. I suppose that's mainly because all the real /work/ is done by one or two native programs. |
| 07:37.10 | psycho_oreos | lot of GUI gunk has been cut out notably from the screenshots :) |
| 07:40.24 | robbiethe1st | Well, yea; I suppose. I /still/ don't know of a better way than using that little text2screen utility... Nor do I even have a proper man page for it... |
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| 07:42.19 | psycho_oreos | isn't that program called dialog or something? |
| 07:43.02 | robbiethe1st | Well, it's at /usr/bin/text2screen, so... |
| 07:43.09 | psycho_oreos | ahh my bad |
| 07:43.31 | robbiethe1st | also, won't really work once the system's booted - It apparently writes directly to the hardware, and X overwrites it next frame |
| 07:43.43 | robbiethe1st | (so whatever you wrote with it just flashes onscreen) |
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| 07:52.36 | psycho_oreos | yeah I had close look at text2screen utility, unfortunately its closed source and looks like it was specifically built for maemo |
| 07:53.35 | psycho_oreos | thinks would piping that program through strings would pull up some interesting switches that one can then probe and maybe write a proper doc out for it |
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| 07:54.44 | psycho_oreos | I would have thought you used dialog, but it seems like you had to bypass X, thereby only initialising the base stuff |
| 07:56.22 | chem|st | morning |
| 07:56.26 | psycho_oreos | unfortunately no, strings couldn't yield any useful switches. However its interesting to note that it deals with framebuffer and that its placed in X11 directory (well in my case) |
| 07:56.32 | psycho_oreos | morning |
| 07:56.41 | robbiethe1st | Yea; when I found the original bootmenu script, it didn't have X loaded and used that, so that's what I used |
| 07:56.56 | robbiethe1st | Made it very easy to run; lots of stuff didn't need to be loaded |
| 07:58.14 | psycho_oreos | which was even better, afterall having too many stuff loaded just bogs down the device. If it doesn't bog down the device it might make the whole backing up more tedious |
| 07:58.25 | robbiethe1st | Yea, that's true. |
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| 08:15.16 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:17.14 | chem|st | morning Jaffa |
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| 08:35.17 | _berto_ | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/04/27/nokia-announces-next-steps-in-transformation/ |
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| 08:44.10 | mece | Should be titled "Nokia dumps unwanted people to accenture to fire" |
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| 08:50.32 | pupnik | who can draw good |
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| 08:52.49 | lolcat | pupnik: Disney |
| 08:53.27 | Cor-Ai | picasso |
| 08:53.43 | mece | Cor-Ai, bit he's dead! |
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| 08:54.19 | Cor-Ai | mece: so? your out off T-virus? |
| 08:56.33 | mece | Cor-Ai, no, but I have some ethical issues with it. Been using it too much.. |
| 08:57.25 | Cor-Ai | mece: ahh! to bad! im using it all the time! |
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| 09:10.50 | keks-n | sup |
| 09:11.01 | keks-n | I have a problem with autobuilder |
| 09:11.13 | keks-n | I submitted a package about 3 hours ago |
| 09:11.18 | keks-n | It began the build |
| 09:11.26 | keks-n | And still doing something |
| 09:11.55 | dneary | So... what news from Finland? |
| 09:11.59 | keks-n | Is it possible to stop the build process? |
| 09:12.06 | dneary | Meetings started an hour ago, right? |
| 09:12.20 | dneary | keks-n, I think Niels does that by killing a process or something |
| 09:12.32 | dneary | keks-n, It's always been a bit mysterious to me, to be honest |
| 09:13.44 | keks-n | I think the problem appeared because of mysterious behavior of the repositories |
| 09:14.27 | keks-n | I'm unable to download anything from home |
| 09:15.21 | keks-n | And I have to run apt-get 4-6 times to get packages if I run it on my server in Germany |
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| 09:19.53 | Trewas | dneary: apparently they will fire 4000 people (1400 in finland) and 3000 from symbian development will move to accenture |
| 09:24.00 | keks-n | Oh shi~ |
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| 09:26.18 | _berto_ | dneary: http://conversations.nokia.com/ |
| 09:26.25 | _berto_ | (out for lunch) |
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| 09:31.32 | Termana | good morning |
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| 09:41.03 | Jaffa | Nokia sounds like they're scaling back MeeGo operations to *smaller* than 770 R&D days |
| 09:41.58 | anapospastos | problem--> bootscreen manager and cssu tuner doesnt launch |
| 09:42.16 | anapospastos | yesterday I executed "rm /home/user/.cache/launch/com.nokia.controlpanel.pvr" and they started for one time |
| 09:43.12 | RST38h | Nokia transfers Symbian development and 3,000 employees to Accenture, will downsize workforce by further 4,000 |
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| 09:43.58 | anapospastos | anyone knows what is going on? :s |
| 09:45.09 | RST38h | anapostastos: The End is going on |
| 09:45.22 | anapospastos | ohh, Im leavi |
| 09:45.38 | anapospastos | (lol) |
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| 09:52.38 | psycho_oreos | I've never used bootscreen manager but I have CSSU Features Control installed and never had that issue before |
| 09:53.28 | anapospastos | Im talking about cssu_tuner |
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| 09:53.52 | BCMM | bootscreen manager is only useful if you really, really cannot bear to edit a single line of a two-line config file |
| 09:54.19 | BCMM | or, i suppose, if you need to change boot videos constantly |
| 09:54.47 | anapospastos | the problem is why these two cant start from settings panel |
| 09:54.52 | psycho_oreos | anapospastos, so you're not talking about this? http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=18355&stc=1&d=1299408864 |
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| 09:55.43 | anapospastos | psycho_oreos: no, this is cssu features |
| 09:56.28 | mece | Jaffa, I guess they REALLY want meego to fail... |
| 09:57.00 | psycho_oreos | anapospastos, ahh ok I've never heard of it |
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| 10:00.55 | chem|st | thinks nokia ceo is paid by apple or at least google... 4000 empl. get fired... |
| 10:03.16 | chem|st | RST38h: you've been faster again |
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| 10:08.36 | mece | bwuahahaha! "This collaboration demonstrates our ongoing commitment to enhance our Symbian offering and serve our smartphone customers," said Jo Harlow, executive vice president for Smart Devices, Nokia." |
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| 10:09.19 | mece | Rauha's comment on tmo: "Nothing quite says commitment to platform as explicitly as sacking & outsourcing the people working on that platform." |
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| 10:13.07 | SpeedEvil | mece: But they are committed! They are giving them a real-terms relative cost of living increase! |
| 10:13.19 | SpeedEvil | mece: And a free boat ride to india. |
| 10:13.38 | SpeedEvil | Where they will earn 3* the national minimum wage. |
| 10:13.55 | mece | hehe |
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| 10:17.55 | chem|st | mece: smartphoe does not mean smart people?! |
| 10:19.24 | mece | chem|st, mmhmm |
| 10:20.18 | chem|st | mece: smart phones do not let people become smart not even if XO of smart devices |
| 10:21.23 | chem|st | nokia is now MS so we can expect the worst for the future |
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| 10:21.36 | mece | chem|st, pretty mich |
| 10:21.37 | mece | much |
| 10:21.52 | SpeedEvil | I note the above says 'The planned reductions will have the greatest impact on the Symbian and MeeGo R&D. In addition, approximately 3,000 employees are planned to transfer to Accenture to support the continued delivery of Symbian software development and support services.' |
| 10:22.06 | SpeedEvil | Is this basically meaning that most of the meego staff is just being axed? |
| 10:22.14 | chem|st | mece: and those people are apple and google share holders as they know they veer up a sinking ship |
| 10:22.31 | SpeedEvil | (well - redeployed in a socially responsible manner) |
| 10:23.01 | mece | SpeedEvil, so it seems. |
| 10:23.02 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: +4000 fired |
| 10:23.34 | chem|st | makes a cost decrease of round about 300mio eur |
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| 10:26.17 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/27/online_teens_not_dorks/ <-- hmm |
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| 10:29.16 | chem|st | ruskie: back on topic please |
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| 11:50.18 | billmania | sr71: Chicago, of course. |
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| 12:06.22 | Khertan_ | Hello ! |
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| 12:14.27 | Venemo | hello Khertan_ |
| 12:14.39 | Khertan_ | 'lo Venemo |
| 12:15.18 | Arkenoi | google latitude *suddenly* stopped working, both from browser and helper app |
| 12:15.32 | Arkenoi | i cannot update my position and get friends updates :-/ |
| 12:15.44 | RST38h | Somebody committed the whole Mono distribution to the repos. God have mercy on their souls... |
| 12:16.03 | RST38h | Arkenoi; I doubt anyone will notice |
| 12:16.39 | Arkenoi | RST38h, i did, i use it all the time :-/ |
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| 12:19.30 | ruskie | well all those people that want to mug you will certainly notice the lack of updates... |
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| 12:40.22 | Trewas | "Nokia now tells staff that the majority of MeeGo activities are planned to be discontinued by the end of June 2012.", I thought they were planning to continue it in some form, but apparently I thought wrong |
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| 12:42.37 | ruskie | Trewas, majority != everything |
| 12:42.41 | MohammadAG | Trewas, source? |
| 12:42.48 | ruskie | Trewas, and they did say as much iirc a while ago |
| 12:42.55 | ruskie | it's a long term R&D or so they said |
| 12:43.11 | ruskie | which means... 1 or 2 people doing whatever... would be my guess |
| 12:44.13 | Trewas | MohammadAG: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/27/nokia_cuts_memo/ |
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| 12:45.34 | Gyjf | bah |
| 12:45.52 | Gyjf | nokia made one good device and the they drop all dev on it |
| 12:47.43 | Venemo | lol |
| 12:47.50 | Venemo | who cares about Nokia anymore anyway? |
| 12:48.00 | Trewas | ruskie: more probable that they just keep some maemo/meego people employed until the meego-device they'll announce next month will be completely EOLed |
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| 12:48.31 | Gyjf | will meego work on the n900? |
| 12:48.38 | SpeedEvil | Will meego. |
| 12:49.31 | SpeedEvil | They will keep to their promise, and release a meego device. The cost of making one prototype isn't too bad. |
| 12:52.24 | Venemo | anyway; other manufacturers will make meego devices too |
| 12:52.29 | Venemo | and probably better ones |
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| 12:52.33 | Venemo | so who cares about nokia? |
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| 12:53.04 | Gyjf | i dont care about them |
| 12:53.17 | Gyjf | i would just like more dev on maemo/n900 |
| 12:53.28 | Gyjf | the communiti is great tho |
| 12:53.31 | Venemo | Gyjf, and to answer your question, yes, MeeGo works on da N900. try MeeGo developer edition |
| 12:53.52 | Appiah | well it runs |
| 12:53.55 | Appiah | works? :) |
| 12:54.12 | Venemo | Appiah, as much as you expect prerelease software to work, yes, it works |
| 12:54.37 | Gyjf | is it better than maemo? |
| 12:54.45 | Appiah | not yet |
| 12:54.45 | ruskie | that's up to debate |
| 12:55.02 | Appiah | lets debate when it's released |
| 12:55.03 | Venemo | Gyjf, not yet, because the UX is unpolised and the apps are unfinished |
| 12:55.09 | ruskie | the UX is crap |
| 12:55.13 | ruskie | and will remain so |
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| 12:55.19 | Gyjf | does it have root out of the box? |
| 12:55.32 | Venemo | Gyjf, yep, root password is 'meego' |
| 12:55.33 | Appiah | ruskie: stay positive! |
| 12:55.49 | ruskie | Appiah, I was... until I saw the handset UX :( |
| 12:55.53 | Venemo | ruskie, handset ux maybe crap, but you can use other uxes. (Intel's UX is known to be working, plus there's Cordia) |
| 12:55.56 | ruskie | the tablet meego UX actually looks usable |
| 12:55.58 | Gyjf | do the maemo programs work with it? |
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| 12:56.14 | Venemo | Gyjf, those which are ported, yes. |
| 12:56.52 | Gyjf | hmm |
| 12:56.59 | Gyjf | for now ill stick with maemo |
| 12:57.41 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Nobody else will make Meego. |
| 12:57.53 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Intel have gone back to themoblinname IIRC |
| 12:58.22 | MohammadAG | remind me if Cordia's still alive |
| 12:58.25 | Gyjf | how about android on the n900 then? |
| 12:58.35 | ruskie | why? |
| 12:58.36 | MohammadAG | screw android |
| 12:58.38 | Appiah | wow |
| 12:58.45 | Veggen | I just ordered an android...to be fair, it's the only smartphone my employer will pay for, a meego I'd have to pay for myself anyhow ;P |
| 12:58.45 | Appiah | you dont like maemo do you? :) |
| 12:58.47 | MohammadAG | If I wanted to use that I'd buy a new device |
| 12:59.16 | Gyjf | the thing with android is that it has a lot more programs for it |
| 12:59.34 | ruskie | the thing about a PC is that it has a lot more programs for it |
| 12:59.36 | Veggen | (and my N900 is hopefully living a happy life with a geek in Dubai, after I left it in a taxi there) |
| 12:59.36 | Appiah | and you need these? |
| 12:59.47 | Appiah | or want* |
| 13:00.05 | Gyjf | maybe |
| 13:00.10 | MohammadAG | and a lot less traditional linux |
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| 13:01.41 | Gyjf | its mostly games and stuff that id want |
| 13:01.51 | Appiah | oh.. |
| 13:02.05 | Gyjf | stuff for the acelerometer and argumented reality |
| 13:02.20 | Appiah | the ovi store has games |
| 13:02.24 | ruskie | only if it's in-glasses built in |
| 13:02.25 | Appiah | (never touched em) |
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| 13:02.30 | ruskie | else augmented reality is pointless |
| 13:02.45 | Gyjf | why? |
| 13:03.09 | Gyjf | thats like saying any game is pointless |
| 13:04.08 | ruskie | if you need to hold something to actually get it to work... what's the point... |
| 13:04.12 | ruskie | it's not really augmented reality... |
| 13:04.14 | Venemo | [14:57] <SpeedEvil> Venemo: Intel have gone back to themoblinname IIRC ---> what's the source of that? |
| 13:04.18 | ruskie | it's my shiny device can do this... |
| 13:05.10 | ruskie | if it's not seamless I can't really call it augmented reality |
| 13:05.37 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: My fevered imaginings. |
| 13:05.42 | SpeedEvil | Maybe too much cheese |
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| 13:06.12 | Venemo | [15:05] <Venemo> [14:57] <SpeedEvil> Venemo: Intel have gone back to the moblin name IIRC |
| 13:06.13 | Venemo | [15:05] <Venemo> is that true? |
| 13:06.15 | Venemo | [15:05] <Stskeeps> no |
| 13:06.16 | Venemo | [15:05] <Stskeeps> in fact, they closed the mailing lists |
| 13:06.18 | Venemo | [15:05] <Venemo> what mailing lists? |
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| 13:06.19 | Venemo | [15:05] <Stskeeps> moblin ones |
| 13:06.24 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, ^ |
| 13:06.30 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 13:06.51 | SpeedEvil | I was confused with the references to nokia infrastructure being pulled from meego. |
| 13:08.25 | derf | Your imaginings must be fevered. |
| 13:08.31 | derf | There's no such thing as too much cheese. |
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| 13:09.49 | Venemo | hehe |
| 13:10.01 | Venemo | anyway, I gotta go. will be back later. |
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| 13:38.53 | mc_teo` | i got pocket sphinx all working |
| 13:39.14 | mc_teo` | but its very inaccurate, without any predefined grammer |
| 13:39.22 | pupnik | hey hey |
| 13:39.25 | mc_teo` | i presume its my accent |
| 13:39.33 | pupnik | can you make it work with phone recordings |
| 13:39.39 | mc_teo` | yeah, easily |
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| 13:40.24 | mc_teo` | the way i have it now, i use gstreamer to pipe the microphone straight into it |
| 13:40.30 | pupnik | do you know how to train with a .wav + .txt file |
| 13:41.24 | mc_teo` | not really |
| 13:45.00 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/mJYLl.png my project atm |
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| 13:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo`: link!!! |
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| 14:08.07 | mc_teo` | DocScrutinizer: link to what? |
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| 14:08.52 | mc_teo` | i got it running on my own n900, i can make a post on the forums with how i did it, if you'd like? |
| 14:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo`: yes, much appreciated |
| 14:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | voicedial/voicecmd is one of the major shortcomings of N900 |
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| 14:15.27 | mc_teo` | DocScrutinizer: im working on getting the grammer support better |
| 14:15.47 | mc_teo` | atm, there is just an online form to encode it |
| 14:16.04 | mc_teo` | and some tools in C |
| 14:16.28 | mc_teo` | which i suppose could be built for arm |
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| 14:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: grammar support is a wide divergent field. Support for voicedialing by names in contacts is different to generic control of hildon-desktop is different to a voice input to shell is dif... |
| 14:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be interested in the "layer0" voice input and decoding stuff first, to work on my own grammar |
| 14:20.43 | mc_teo | so yeah |
| 14:21.13 | mc_teo | i just "dpkg -i *"'d all the arm binaries from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pocketsphinx/ |
| 14:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 14:21.41 | mc_teo | and then as root "apt-get -f install" to fix dependencies |
| 14:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | didn't even know we had it in repo |
| 14:22.13 | mc_teo | oh, i just deleted all those i386 debs too |
| 14:22.21 | mc_teo | so just the arm ones were installed |
| 14:22.47 | mc_teo | so that installed all the python and gstreamer hooks |
| 14:22.58 | mc_teo | then i just needed to get the right pipe |
| 14:23.07 | mc_teo | for my python scripts |
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| 14:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, a short howto for dummies would be much appreciated |
| 14:24.44 | mc_teo | also, i meant to increase accuracy, in my opinion at least, having a very small dictionary of grammer |
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| 14:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 14:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | proper training and a small dict of distinct vocabulary and a simple unambiguous grammar is essential for real time voice input |
| 14:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | I'm rather good I think, on defining usable grammars |
| 14:27.23 | mc_teo | yeah, but i am thinking of just making applications speech ready |
| 14:27.46 | mc_teo | as opposed to making the whole UI speech ready |
| 14:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | for me that's a way too ambitious approach for kickoff |
| 14:28.44 | mc_teo | so for example, in the webbrowser, at any one point, the main commands would be Back, Forward, Refresh, Home, etc |
| 14:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'd first go for dialing 10 or 20 predefined contacts, on press of headset button |
| 14:29.47 | mc_teo | thats why i wanted to make the grammer be able to load more dynamic |
| 14:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not even try to implement the N9x untrained recognition of names by their spelling, I'd be happy with teaching each of the 20 contacts |
| 14:30.20 | mc_teo | so the whole list of contacts could be loaded, and encoded |
| 14:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: agreed, of course a dynamic grammar is is a essential design point in such a thing |
| 14:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | and of course you need a app specific grammar rather soon |
| 14:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | with just one command common to all, to escape to system control level |
| 14:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | like access to taskswitcher |
| 14:32.24 | mc_teo | i made a facebook application a while back, which loaded all friends names, and passed them to the voice recognition engine in the JSGF format |
| 14:32.42 | mc_teo | so it was essentially, completely untrained, yet worked very well |
| 14:33.37 | mc_teo | since it was javascript based, i could dynamically change, and reload the grammer, at any point |
| 14:33.50 | mc_teo | i was hoping for this kind of interface here also |
| 14:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | my approach (as always) is from the system architect's POV, to define a set of design rules so you can start small yet extend to a full blown system cross-app without breaking API or system structure |
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| 14:35.05 | mc_teo | yeah, i suppose i would probably think from that pov after some formal education |
| 14:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | so I'm interested in giving the layer0 speech input engine a shot, to learn about that API, and base on it to define something tailored to match maemo |
| 14:35.31 | mc_teo | atm, i do this stuff simply for ease of use |
| 14:36.27 | mc_teo | well in my python application i used gstreamer to pipe pulse to pocketsphinx, is this what your talking about? |
| 14:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | as usual you want a system that doesn't need any patches to particular apps adn still integrates nicely and allows new apps to take advantage of a decent API to interface to advanced functions of speech input |
| 14:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | e.g for dialer such a design is essential, as we can't patch or rewrite the dialer-ui |
| 14:38.24 | mc_teo | since i used only python interface, i feel ill equiped to contribute |
| 14:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | you can contribute by giving me a kickstart in form of a howto for dummies, to get to where you are atm |
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| 14:39.46 | rlinfati | Hi, some maemo extras admin here? |
| 14:39.49 | mc_teo | already am writing it, atm |
| 14:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | some tmo post 3 times the length of your telegram style instructions above would suffice, and attaching a python example code would be the icing on top |
| 14:40.45 | rlinfati | i wanna un-promote my package from extras.... because is not working ( google change the api )... and i will not fix in the short time... |
| 14:40.53 | rlinfati | googlelatitude is the package.. |
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| 14:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: ping X-Fade |
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| 14:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | age old problem: how to get "fixes" thru testing into extras in a bearable timeframe |
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| 14:50.07 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: +1 |
| 14:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it'd be hard to gather 10 thumbs-up for a patch that replaces all project files by /dev/null and the description by "discontinued" |
| 14:50.19 | chem|st | I would like to unpromote some stuff too |
| 14:51.18 | chem|st | I'd love to edit some files by hand if possible |
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| 14:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | we need more admins for extras(-testing) |
| 14:52.13 | chem|st | don't know how that sorting works but some apps are off topic |
| 14:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | most likely whole council should have access to do such things |
| 14:53.10 | chem|st | like some audiobook-reader in utilities |
| 14:54.21 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: that's never gonna happen... I wait years for access to the brainstorm backend yet |
| 14:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | that's nasty. Nokia shouldn't kill maemo by DoS |
| 14:54.51 | chem|st | first request was in 09/12 or something |
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| 14:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a time X-Fade jumped out of bed in the night at 4o' when somebody highlighted him here |
| 14:56.31 | chem|st | now I don't even get on the access list after days... ;) |
| 14:56.58 | chem|st | It has come to an end... |
| 14:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, neither do I get a +f as requested |
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| 14:58.03 | merlin1991 | chem|st: op? o_O |
| 14:58.08 | chem|st | doesn't help does it |
| 14:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't really help, just a sign |
| 14:58.43 | chem|st | hehe |
| 14:59.02 | chem|st | I keep it till X-Fade recognizes it! HA |
| 14:59.11 | chem|st | kidding |
| 14:59.21 | *** mode/#maemo [-o chem|st] by chem|st |
| 14:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I could set up a autoresponder to /cs op #maemo chem|st on a special keyword |
| 15:00.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: nevermind I can wait for X-Fade to handle it on pathes it belongs to |
| 15:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | so while this also is a bit kinky, it at least would be a means to the aim |
| 15:02.08 | chem|st | most of the time someone with access is available |
| 15:03.45 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, you're probably not getting +f either way. :P |
| 15:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | meh, Sony FAILWALE |
| 15:04.21 | GAN900 | Yeah, my PS3 is staying off for the time being. |
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| 15:04.31 | ruskie | GAN900, why? |
| 15:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: +f is safe, I can't edit accounts that have better permissions than I have anyway |
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| 15:04.54 | GAN900 | ruskie, avoiding downloading any hacked firmware updates from Sony. |
| 15:05.07 | ruskie | GAN900, it's not the firmware that was hacked |
| 15:05.13 | ruskie | it was their DB... |
| 15:05.17 | mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: which forums should i post it in? Talk->OS/Platform->Development? |
| 15:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | umm, yeah |
| 15:05.36 | ruskie | which aptly demonstrates why single sign on and keep it all in the same place are bad ideas... |
| 15:05.39 | chem|st | mc_teo: yes |
| 15:06.20 | GAN900 | ruskie, depending on the level of access, it's not unreasonable to suspect they could've breached the update servers. |
| 15:06.20 | chem|st | ruskie: I don't like the fact that any company stores my credentials for years |
| 15:07.13 | ruskie | well in case of my account my address is completly wrong... no CC info in... |
| 15:07.18 | ruskie | different password |
| 15:07.18 | chem|st | happend to recognize that steam stored my visa BUT has a button to remove it |
| 15:07.41 | ruskie | the only thing I didn't do was use an aliased email addy.... |
| 15:08.07 | ruskie | I always use pre-pay cards to load it up |
| 15:08.28 | lolcat | ruskie: Load what up? |
| 15:08.43 | ruskie | GAN900, considering the easier ways of getting users to upload hacked firmware on a PS3... doesn't really matter... |
| 15:08.50 | chem|st | lolcat: balances |
| 15:09.15 | lolcat | Why are we discussing ps3 now? |
| 15:09.21 | lolcat | And when will PSN be up? |
| 15:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: please talk to me (with nick) |
| 15:10.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: hello |
| 15:10.50 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: to me |
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| 15:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, nfc how to match *your* nick |
| 15:11.54 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: make opme just the keyword to op me |
| 15:12.02 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: opme |
| 15:12.05 | chem|st | ops me |
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| 15:12.08 | chem|st | just me |
| 15:12.37 | chem|st | and just in #maemo |
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| 15:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer: please op chem|st |
| 15:12.55 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: please op chem|st |
| 15:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | damn, wait a minute, seems sth still wrong |
| 15:14.06 | ruskie | GAN900, also consider that the PSN is offline I highly doubt that you'll be able to get any firmware at all for a while... |
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| 15:14.32 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer, chem|st what are yout trying to achieve? |
| 15:14.35 | lolcat | ruskie: Who needs firmware? |
| 15:14.48 | merlin1991 | s/yout/you/ |
| 15:14.50 | lolcat | And the updates for PS3 only removes features anyways |
| 15:14.55 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: do you know how I can have all highlights written to status window in irssi? |
| 15:15.03 | lolcat | Wonder what they will remove now after fixing psn |
| 15:15.16 | chem|st | merlin1991: op me |
| 15:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | nfc about irssi |
| 15:15.21 | mc_teo | psn probably |
| 15:15.23 | ruskie | lolcat, who knows... it could actually improve... |
| 15:15.38 | mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=996270 |
| 15:15.41 | mc_teo | as requested |
| 15:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: my nick highlight overrides any further autoresponds |
| 15:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: please try without nick |
| 15:16.09 | ruskie | irssi -> trigger.pl |
| 15:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: thanks a lot mate |
| 15:16.23 | ruskie | even has examples for how to do this op thingy iirc... |
| 15:16.31 | lolcat | ruskie: I hate it though, I have a plane ticket to go home and play ps3, but perhaps this means I will get a good grade on my exam |
| 15:16.31 | mc_teo | ... |
| 15:16.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | please op chem|st |
| 15:16.51 | mc_teo | /mode <mnick> +o |
| 15:16.51 | ruskie | lolcat, good thing then that the PS3 has plenty of great single player games ;) |
| 15:16.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn |
| 15:17.11 | lolcat | ruskie: I don't own any of them :S |
| 15:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | still nick highlight |
| 15:17.42 | ruskie | then why exactly do you own a PS3??? for multiplayer gaming I'd go with an xbox... |
| 15:18.00 | lolcat | ruskie: I got it for free, I wanted it when I was younger |
| 15:18.05 | ruskie | ahh |
| 15:18.14 | ruskie | free is good |
| 15:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~say please op chem|st |
| 15:18.15 | infobot | please op chem|st |
| 15:18.17 | *** mode/#maemo [+o chem|st] by ChanServ |
| 15:18.17 | chem|st | mc_teo: ty (edited the topic to fit on first view) |
| 15:18.21 | lolcat | all good single player games I have played through |
| 15:18.55 | ruskie | I was never really into gaming until I bought a PS3 last year |
| 15:18.56 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: now you match infobot? |
| 15:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | not matching anyt6hing ;-D |
| 15:19.27 | lolcat | ruskie: Do you play blackops zombies? |
| 15:19.27 | chem|st | ~say please op DocScrutinizer |
| 15:19.27 | infobot | please op DocScrutinizer |
| 15:19.35 | ruskie | lolcat, blackops??? |
| 15:19.37 | ruskie | what's that? |
| 15:19.48 | *** mode/#maemo [-o chem|st] by chem|st |
| 15:19.48 | lolcat | ruskie: Call of Duty: Black Ops? |
| 15:19.51 | mc_teo | chem|st: thanks |
| 15:20.01 | ruskie | erm... what's that ? |
| 15:20.03 | chem|st | ~say please op chem|st |
| 15:20.03 | infobot | please op chem|st |
| 15:20.03 | *** mode/#maemo [+o chem|st] by ChanServ |
| 15:20.24 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: now both trigger O_o |
| 15:20.33 | lolcat | ~say please op lolloo |
| 15:20.33 | infobot | please op lolloo |
| 15:20.34 | *** mode/#maemo [-o chem|st] by chem|st |
| 15:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'm atching "please op chem|st" |
| 15:20.42 | chem|st | please op chemist |
| 15:20.47 | chem|st | please op chem|st |
| 15:20.47 | *** mode/#maemo [+o chem|st] by ChanServ |
| 15:21.11 | *** mode/#maemo [-o chem|st] by chem|st |
| 15:21.21 | lolloo | what |
| 15:21.29 | lolloo | who where |
| 15:21.32 | ruskie | hehe |
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| 15:22.22 | merlin1991 | why do we op chem|st again? :D |
| 15:22.22 | *** mode/#maemo [-o chem|st] by chem|st |
| 15:22.33 | mc_teo | ~say please deop chem|st |
| 15:22.34 | infobot | please deop chem|st |
| 15:23.46 | Sazpaimon | after a few minutes with drnoksnes I'm reminded of how impossible it is to play snes with a keyboard |
| 15:23.55 | Sazpaimon | completely impossible |
| 15:23.58 | keks-n | lol |
| 15:24.21 | keks-n | Have you ever tried to play PSOne games with a keyboard? |
| 15:25.02 | Sazpaimon | most ps1 games that I play dont require holding down multiple keys at once |
| 15:25.16 | keks-n | hm |
| 15:25.22 | Sazpaimon | mario world, on the other hand |
| 15:26.01 | Sazpaimon | or megaman x |
| 15:26.09 | *** mode/#maemo [+o chem|st] by ChanServ |
| 15:26.24 | Sazpaimon | those games for example require you hold a run button |
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| 15:29.14 | chem|st | gouverneur!! |
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| 15:30.12 | Sazpaimon | isnt it against freenode channel policy to have visible ops? |
| 15:30.17 | *** mode/#maemo [-o Chewtoy] by chem|st |
| 15:30.22 | ruskie | since when? |
| 15:30.25 | *** mode/#maemo [-o chem|st] by chem|st |
| 15:30.32 | chem|st | o_O |
| 15:30.33 | ruskie | it's a chanops thing |
| 15:30.44 | Sazpaimon | may just be their preference then |
| 15:31.20 | Sazpaimon | they consider having ops in the user list to be "intimidating" |
| 15:31.25 | Sazpaimon | or so ive been told |
| 15:31.57 | keks-n | Hmmm... |
| 15:31.58 | chem|st | actualy it is good to know who to ask |
| 15:32.14 | keks-n | It looks like that I finally got it working |
| 15:32.34 | chem|st | X-Fade: are you considering DocScrutinizer's requests? |
| 15:32.37 | keks-n | At least runtime, winforms and gtk# work properly |
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| 15:35.03 | Sazpaimon | the guy sitting behind me on thne train smells like peanut butter |
| 15:35.05 | Sazpaimon | what |
| 15:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: sorry this been a test. Don't feel intimidated please |
| 15:35.48 | Sazpaimon | Doc, just seeing your name makes me want to cower in a corner :( |
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| 15:36.57 | mece | o/ |
| 15:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | mece: \o |
| 15:37.15 | GAN900 | Sazpaimon, not against policy, but against best practices, yes. |
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| 15:37.35 | mece | What's new? |
| 15:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | 77mio user ecords in hands of hackers are new |
| 15:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | incl pw and credit card details |
| 15:38.49 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, only if CC was in the system ;) |
| 15:38.56 | mece | hehe yeah. |
| 15:39.08 | mece | Woo Sony! |
| 15:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | kudos, yes |
| 15:39.25 | mece | Oooooo! pocketsphinx! |
| 15:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 15:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo did a dummy howto for pocketsphinx |
| 15:40.02 | mece | I've got to try something funny with that. |
| 15:40.08 | mece | yeah I'm reading it |
| 15:40.54 | merlin1991 | btw Is there any information on what actually causes the powerusage regression in the mainline kernel? |
| 15:41.23 | merlin1991 | I see all the "huge regression" news everywhere but no pointer to what actually causes the change |
| 15:41.32 | mece | A little python scripting with pocketsphinx and espeak, and my N900 can tell me stuff I need to know! |
| 15:41.37 | ruskie | probably because nobody yet figured it out? |
| 15:42.00 | mc_teo | mece: i just want a voice controlled media player |
| 15:42.10 | mc_teo | then I'd be happy |
| 15:42.12 | mece | mc_teo, have you got that? |
| 15:42.14 | mece | oh |
| 15:43.03 | mece | MohammadAG, we can haz pocketsphinx integration with open media player plz? |
| 15:43.18 | mc_teo | well its a working gtk example on that thread, would be rather simple to add basic playback function, and a "Next", "Play", and "Pause" command |
| 15:43.38 | mc_teo | i prefer Qt though |
| 15:45.09 | mc_teo | i saw an example where someone made a voice controlled browser |
| 15:45.17 | mece | wait, can't you send dbus commands for next play pause n such? Wouldn't it be super simple to implement voice controls? |
| 15:45.50 | mc_teo | they tweaked the html to add subscript numbers beside every link and button |
| 15:46.07 | mc_teo | so you could say "Navigate <num>" to go to it |
| 15:46.13 | mc_teo | might be nice |
| 15:46.15 | mece | :D |
| 15:46.40 | mc_teo | and with back/forward, refresh, home, etc, of course |
| 15:46.41 | ruskie | so basically what every vim like browser already does... link hinting |
| 15:46.50 | mece | I want voice controlled ingormation search |
| 15:47.24 | merlin1991 | mece: yes, open media player utilizes mafw for playback, you could just send dbus commands to it |
| 15:47.36 | mece | merlin1991, yay |
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| 15:47.42 | ruskie | I want semi-AI search agents that I can give them a query and they bring back already filtered results... |
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| 15:48.17 | ruskie | without relying on external search engines |
| 15:48.29 | mece | ruskie, wolfram alpha gives pretty clever answers to questions presented in natural language... oh. well that's harder. |
| 15:48.32 | mc_teo | why not add brain probe, so they return results relative to your current train of thought |
| 15:48.41 | mece | ruskie, well there is the evopedia thing |
| 15:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | mece: yes, that's about what I think a future general API should look like |
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| 15:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | mece: some daemon watching which app got focus, and spoonfeeding the app with cmds via dbus/stdin/whatever based on your spoken commands |
| 15:49.55 | mece | mc_teo, so basically, a python listener thing that executes dbus commands on voice hits, coupled with open media player. |
| 15:50.16 | mece | DocScrutinizer, well we could start with the simple media player thing.. |
| 15:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 15:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | but keep in mind you don't want 5 concurrent instances of pocketsphinx when 5 speech aware apps got started |
| 15:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | so it's not THAT simple to start such a project in a way not leading to a deadend |
| 15:52.07 | mece | DocScrutinizer, well naturally, but I figure you could have a initializing keyword that chooses which app to control |
| 15:52.09 | mece | or something |
| 15:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly |
| 15:52.48 | mece | Media next! No you idiot I said next! NO NO DON't REBOOT! |
| 15:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | but you need a proper API for your one pocketsphinx instance |
| 15:53.07 | mece | yush |
| 15:53.39 | merlin1991 | mece the functionality you had there is esily implemented |
| 15:53.50 | mece | merlin1991, hehehe yep. |
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| 15:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | for mediaplayer it's simple as it can get controlled via dbus, so we just need to keep away from integrating speech into mediaplayer hardcoded |
| 15:54.02 | mece | anyway, the media player would be a very nice proof of concept. |
| 15:54.16 | merlin1991 | if(hasspeech) switch(random()) case: 0 cat /dev/kmem case 1: reboot |
| 15:54.17 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 15:58.07 | mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: could there perhaps contain a database of applications and their respective grammer, which is updated every change |
| 15:58.18 | mc_teo | and the actually engine is trigger by a button |
| 15:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly |
| 15:58.34 | mc_teo | similar to the way media player updates its content |
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| 15:58.45 | mc_teo | or even just the application menu itself |
| 15:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | you can't have PSpx listen to every noise you utter |
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| 15:59.11 | mc_teo | haha no |
| 15:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | so you need a pushbutton trigger |
| 15:59.24 | mc_teo | because of both battery and bacground noice |
| 15:59.27 | mc_teo | noise* |
| 15:59.47 | mc_teo | s/bacground noice/background noise/ |
| 15:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | and you need dynamic grammar that follows focus but also takes explicit escapes to some global commands |
| 16:01.34 | mc_teo | i like the JSGF format, in terms of grammer, and its pretty simple to use |
| 16:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | 'unknown' apps come in two flavours: those who support a generic grammar like "cursor up, cursor down, enter" etc, and those who don't play nice with PSpx at all and thus disable it |
| 16:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | e.g recorder |
| 16:02.52 | mc_teo | rather than disable it, could they catch the calls, and do nothing? |
| 16:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | recorder might not respond nicely at all to push of headset button |
| 16:03.32 | mc_teo | it would mean developers could add custom events |
| 16:03.52 | mc_teo | so like on UI exit, it would return to the mainmenu of a game, or something |
| 16:03.57 | mc_teo | rather than exit completely |
| 16:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | custom events are done by adding a app specific grammar to PSpx |
| 16:04.36 | mc_teo | yeah, when i say custom events, i mean overriding the global ones |
| 16:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure, your PSpx daemon should listen to dbus cmds of app with focus, to switch between particular sub-grammars for that app |
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| 16:07.00 | mece | mc_teo, how did you solve the libsphinxbase1 dependency? |
| 16:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | so that app could signal there's a new set of vocabulary (aka grammar) due to the app entered the settings menu for example |
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| 16:10.17 | mc_teo | meme, by "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:10.24 | mc_teo | mece: ^ |
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| 16:11.08 | mece | hmpf now it worked. for some reason it didn't find libsphinxbase1 at first.. |
| 16:11.21 | mc_teo | they were queued for install, and doing that fixed the dependencies, and continued their install |
| 16:11.44 | mc_teo | hah, its a very hacky approach |
| 16:11.50 | mc_teo | but thus far, it works |
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| 16:12.54 | mece | well I didn't do that. I just apt-get installed libpocketsphinx1 |
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| 16:13.02 | mece | first it failed, then it worked when I did it again. |
| 16:13.15 | mc_teo | yeah, that happened to be too, i think |
| 16:13.27 | mece | weird. Oh well. |
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| 16:13.40 | cityLights | pls help with with python: |
| 16:13.43 | cityLights | http://dpaste.com/536372/ |
| 16:13.47 | cityLights | what is wrong? |
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| 16:46.00 | kerio | ~nuke |
| 16:46.01 | infobot | Cockroach. I win. |
| 16:46.06 | kerio | ._. |
| 16:46.10 | kerio | ~nuke |
| 16:46.10 | infobot | Cockroach. I win. |
| 16:46.19 | kerio | ~nuke infobot |
| 16:46.19 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
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| 17:00.35 | mc_teo | also, i am 18, so my technical knowledge is limited by not going to uni yet |
| 17:00.42 | mc_teo | next year i am though |
| 17:00.46 | mc_teo | compsi |
| 17:00.58 | mc_teo | s/compsi/compsci/ |
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| 17:07.35 | GAN900 | mc_teo, university limits technical knowledge. ;) |
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| 17:16.03 | kerio | not to mention it doesn't give nearly enough theorical knowledge |
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| 18:00.54 | GAN900 | waits impatiently for Lenovo to ship. |
| 18:02.36 | wmarone | what'd you order? |
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| 18:04.34 | SpeedEvil | I'm guessing a thinkpad. |
| 18:05.04 | SpeedEvil | Their pizzas have always dissapointed me. |
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| 18:27.28 | GAN900 | x220 |
| 18:28.12 | GAN900 | is excited about a netbookish i7 IPS laptop. |
| 18:30.05 | RST38h | GAN: Lenovo? Feh. |
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| 18:31.26 | GAN900 | RST38h, nobody else offers that combo |
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| 18:31.38 | GAN900 | and nobody else had a 15% off deal. |
| 18:31.55 | GAN900 | Selling the S10-3t |
| 18:32.08 | Corsac | ThinkPad ? |
| 18:33.10 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 18:33.29 | GAN900 | Well, the S10 is an IdeaPad, x220 is a ThinkPad. |
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| 19:09.02 | GAN900 | Sometimes I love people with big organizations and very few technical resources. |
| 19:09.33 | GAN900 | bills $100/hour to stick some looping video on a couple of DVDs. |
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| 19:38.11 | MohammadAG | <GAN900> Selling the S10-3t <-- how much? |
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| 19:41.48 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, not sure yet. |
| 19:41.58 | GAN900 | Probably $200-$300 range. |
| 19:44.35 | GAN900 | No box and UK keyboard may make devalue it a bit. |
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| 20:28.23 | Venemo | good evening guys :) |
| 20:29.43 | mece | hello Venemo |
| 20:30.22 | Venemo | hey mece |
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| 22:13.47 | telmich | good evening |
| 22:17.25 | telmich | I'd like to flash a n810 with the latest rootfs, but don't have 32bit libraries, which seem to be needed for the flasher |
| 22:17.50 | telmich | is there a way I can flash the latest version from the device itself? |
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| 22:20.06 | jMCg | Hey folks |
| 22:20.53 | jMCg | I'm looking for an app or a config which will turn n900 into a pager if I receive an SMS from a certain phone number, or if it contains a certain message, like "Server is down".. |
| 22:22.20 | jMCg | i.e.: http://fastmob.net/sms-alert.html |
| 22:24.14 | Sc0rpius | I wonder if QML in the N900 works or it would just suck |
| 22:27.32 | MohammadAG | it works, but I'm not a big fan of QML |
| 22:28.22 | MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, why not try Qt w/o QML? |
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| 22:32.13 | Sc0rpius | that's what I was thinking |
| 22:32.27 | Sc0rpius | I already downloaded everything, including the Qt Mobile SDK that includes QtCreator and stuff |
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| 22:54.34 | clmbr | hi all...has anyone had to repair a water damaged N900? |
| 22:55.18 | Proteous | not sure about sucessful repairs |
| 22:55.29 | Proteous | but yes, there are stories of water damaged n900s |
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| 22:57.22 | MohammadAG | pupnik methinks |
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| 23:10.05 | clmbr | Thxs, Prote--I have dropped mine in water and have tried to dry it out for some time, but the screen is very dark still almost unusable. Any idea what it could be |
| 23:11.08 | Proteous | don't know, is the n900 backlight led or fluorescent? |
| 23:11.22 | SpeedEvil | LED |
| 23:11.44 | SpeedEvil | CFL backlight for small things went away... 7 years ago? |
| 23:11.45 | Proteous | clmbr: the fact that it runs at all is impressive |
| 23:11.50 | Proteous | :P |
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| 23:56.32 | pupnik | hieya |
