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| 19:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 19:21.07 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
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| 20:08.21 | tzafrir | I'm unable to make wifi connection through wifi recently on my N900 |
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| 20:08.53 | tzafrir | I can scan for networks, but once I connect, I don't see any packet sent on the interface. |
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| 20:11.17 | tzafrir | hmm.... a reboot made it go away |
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| 20:26.19 | Pronto|n900 | how well does the n900 work with headphones that have a mic and volume controls(philips actionfit shq3007 ), i know the last earbuds i got with a volumn control wouldnt work at all |
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| 20:34.46 | rm_work | no idea, i only have the nokia headset that came with them, and it doesn't have volume controls :( |
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| 20:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | Pronto|n900: multibutton headsets usually don't work. If you got dials to adjust volumes of mic/earphones then chances are they are compatible |
| 20:42.42 | abissom | if, DocScrutinizer, \]conventional earphones don't get recognized at all on N900 |
| 20:42.57 | abissom | sorry for that |
| 20:43.11 | ruskie | they don't???? |
| 20:43.16 | ruskie | then I must be special |
| 20:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and also incorrect |
| 20:43.23 | ruskie | cause they work just fine when plugged in here |
| 20:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | exactly what they're supposed to |
| 20:43.44 | abissom | i wanted to ask what could cause conventional earphones to not be recognized at all on n900 |
| 20:43.56 | abissom | while nokia ones are |
| 20:44.10 | ruskie | I use px100 Sennheiser |
| 20:44.13 | ruskie | work just fine |
| 20:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | a useless non-connected 3rd ring on the plug |
| 20:44.56 | abissom | actually the earphones are fine... no doubt about that |
| 20:45.44 | abissom | the n900 belongs to a friend, and it's my earphones :) |
| 20:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | any standard 3pin 3.5mm headphones plug should work |
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| 20:47.40 | Pronto|n900 | when i test them i get static out, damn |
| 20:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | 4pin plugs depend on circuit of the additional ring, some will work, others won't |
| 20:47.54 | abissom | gueses something's wrong with friend's device |
| 20:48.30 | abissom | they're 3 pin earphones, and i'm even listening on them atm |
| 20:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | make sure plug is seated correctly |
| 20:50.02 | abissom | sure DocScrutinizer , will try that |
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| 20:52.05 | abissom | btw, #maemo was my first irc experience ;) |
| 20:52.29 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Thank you. Resetting default ringtone did the trick. Looks like there had to be an actual change in the ringtone to trigger user ringtones to get rid of the "current ringtone" (which was actually "no ringtone"). |
| 20:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes, known behaviour of user-ringtones |
| 20:53.38 | kwtm | Thanks. Will now check out 1.3.3.7 and will probably be back soon to ask for some hand-holding in flashing. Bbl. |
| 20:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | barisione did a lot of safety-measures to restore the 'normal' ringtones - but obviously there are situations where you get around those |
| 20:55.42 | kwtm | Is PR 1.3.3.7 still in beta stage, or is it stable? In other words, for someone with PR 1.3 working fine, is it worthwhile to switch to 1.3.3.7 if it's just for the working status bar in portrait mode? |
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| 20:56.01 | jacekowski | pr 1.3.3.7? |
| 20:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | stable enough for adventurous users for daily usage |
| 20:56.15 | kwtm | I am happy to stay with 1.3 otherwise. |
| 20:56.39 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Whew. Okay, will read up a bit to see what other features I'm getting to see if worthwhile, but it would be nice to be able to use Portrait mode. Thanks. |
| 20:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | no really bad issues until last recent before the last one |
| 20:57.00 | kwtm | MohammadAG: You're one of the developers I should thank, right? |
| 20:57.14 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: So, there had been some issues in the second-most-recent but if I get the most recent then I'm still good? |
| 20:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | he's the developer you should shout at, yes ;-P |
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| 20:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | the most recent has issues with Qt4.7.2 I heard. No idea how much impact that has for daily life |
| 20:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | also most recent is swapping camera-ui by nicolai's community rewrite |
| 20:58.44 | DocScrutinizer | might have still some flaws |
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| 20:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not happy with this aggressive bleeding edge policy |
| 20:59.08 | ruskie | yeah... way to much screen estate used by the UI... |
| 20:59.17 | ruskie | for the camera-ui |
| 21:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | at least qt4.7.2 is messing up qt apps that use it, when highlighting text, afaik |
| 21:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | so my daily phone got locked on CSSU version 20.2010.36-2maemo13 (disabled CSSU catalog) |
| 21:04.42 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Hmm... any way for me to install an older release? I see we're up to 1.3.3.7-8, so could I, say, install PR 1.3.3.7-6.5 ? The instructions talk about clicking on an install URL via web browser, but I'm hoping to find a FIASCO image that I can flash instead. |
| 21:05.11 | kwtm | Your 20.2010.36-2maemo13 appears to correspond to 1.3.3.7-7. Do you find that usable? Does it have the highlighting bug in Qt4.7? If yes, I should go to an earlier version. |
| 21:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 21:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes, 1.3.3.7-7 is usable |
| 21:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | no idea about -8 (recent one) been to much concerned it might annoy me |
| 21:06.50 | kwtm | Ok. Will keep searching. I don't *have* to upgrade, so I'll watch for a stable version. MohammadAG, if you're listening: I *do* appreciate your work; I'm just looking for a way to jump in at the right moment. If I can't install an earlier version, I'll look for the right version to be current before installing "current" version. |
| 21:06.53 | merlin1991 | kwtm: 20.2010.36-maemo13 is -7 |
| 21:06.58 | merlin1991 | and doesn't have the qt bug |
| 21:07.05 | merlin1991 | it got introduced in -8 |
| 21:07.10 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Yes, I remember your question about highlighting. |
| 21:07.34 | kwtm | merlin1991: Understood, but can I install -7? Or must it be the current version? I'm hoping for a "download this version" to install so I can pick my own version. |
| 21:07.57 | kwtm | merlin1991: It looks very tempting, especially the rotation support and zoom in/out. |
| 21:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | selecting version would be awesome. I guess the apt-wizards can do |
| 21:08.57 | merlin1991 | you could add the repo manually, look through what the enabler does and do that but install a specific version of mp-fremantle-community-pr |
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| 21:11.10 | kwtm | Ahh... so, unlike upgrading from 1.2 to 1.3, this CSSU is actually an apt-get thing that will replace the relevant parts without reflashing. I guess I could brush up on my dpkg-pin-fu and get the exact version that I want. Will look for more info on the repository --you happen to have it? I've just got the "ultra-idiot-friendly" instructions "click here and follow all prompts" thing from http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU so I |
| 21:11.11 | kwtm | want to look for a few more details first., |
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| 21:12.39 | merlin1991 | the repo is at http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ |
| 21:13.11 | merlin1991 | and each version of the cssu has the metapackage (mp-fremantle-community-pr) that pulls in all the cssu stuff |
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| 21:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and you'd hope the metapkg pulls in that particular version, not newest one (e.g of Qt) |
| 21:17.09 | merlin1991 | well with -7 he avoids that already |
| 21:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | but as I understand the package management, it frequently purges older pkg versions |
| 21:17.15 | merlin1991 | -7 doesn't depend on qt |
| 21:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | yes, as Qt4.7.2 is new on -8 |
| 21:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | but what's with a new version of e.g hildon-desktop |
| 21:18.24 | merlin1991 | has a look at the metapackage |
| 21:19.29 | rm_work | so, i never actually set up the community SSU |
| 21:19.32 | rm_work | is it highly recommended? |
| 21:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | not yet |
| 21:20.13 | rm_work | still WIP? |
| 21:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | still in 'testing' ;-P |
| 21:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | and by the rate they import new stuff introducing new bugs, they will promote to -devel eventually |
| 21:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | ;D |
| 21:20.53 | MohammadAG | kwtm, sup |
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| 21:21.11 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Nothing much, wanted to thank you again for all the work you put into N900. |
| 21:21.33 | kwtm | MohammadAG: I was just reading the PortraitMode page of the wiki and still shaking my head at how much of the built-in system components don't support portrait mode. |
| 21:22.02 | MohammadAG | you're welcome :) |
| 21:22.13 | MohammadAG | And yeah, Nokia did fuck up somewhere |
| 21:22.23 | kwtm | i have the impression --correct me if I'm wrong-- that official Nokia software was just sort of "here you go, here's a sandbox to play with" and just depended on the free work of volunteers to make the N900 a useful device. |
| 21:22.24 | MohammadAG | Portrait mode was somewhat planned |
| 21:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | not been part of product requirements |
| 21:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 21:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | obviously it wasn't |
| 21:22.52 | kwtm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.56 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes, but hildon-* does have code for some portrait support |
| 21:22.57 | zakkkkm_ | i really like the default maemo :) |
| 21:23.04 | MohammadAG | example; why did they code the background image rotation |
| 21:23.07 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I guess ... but, boy would it have been nice to have portrait. :P |
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| 21:23.24 | MohammadAG | when you're in portrait mode, the background is rotated by 90 deg |
| 21:23.47 | zakkkkm_ | hey is meego worth trying yet? |
| 21:23.56 | MohammadAG | hildon-control-panel devs wanted portrait plugins, never got them |
| 21:24.20 | kwtm | zakkkkm_: Well, that's hardly the point. I mean, you either plan to have portrait mode or you don't; the fact that some/many/most people don't need portrait mode doesn't mean "gee, we'll implement a crummy portrait mode" since (imho) it really holds back the N900. |
| 21:24.49 | MohammadAG | https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-control-panel/blobs/master/src/hcp-window.c#line843 |
| 21:24.51 | zakkkkm_ | its probably just me, but besides the phone app .. portrait mode looks awful |
| 21:24.52 | kwtm | Right now, for example, the N900 is really geared toward people who want to use it with two hands, in landscape mode. That self-selects a certain class of users. |
| 21:24.57 | zakkkkm_ | especially in changing open apps |
| 21:25.09 | zakkkkm_ | but it always has |
| 21:25.20 | MohammadAG | Qt apps suck when rotating |
| 21:25.25 | MohammadAG | the rest are quite fast |
| 21:25.28 | kwtm | zakkkkm_: Exactly: it looks awful. So when they say "we have portrait mode" it seems like just going through the motions so people can't criticze them for not having it. |
| 21:26.02 | zakkkkm_ | and not everybody wants portrait mode. you buy a device for what it has and what it may have |
| 21:26.08 | kwtm | Another case in point (not a complaint to MohammadAG and I don't expect the community to put the work into resolving this) the on-screen keyboard SUCKS. Sure, you have the slide-out, but now you're forced to use it. |
| 21:26.20 | zakkkkm_ | in no way did nokia , as far as i know.. show that it had portrait mode for its apps except phone app |
| 21:26.33 | MohammadAG | it's closed source sadly |
| 21:26.38 | MohammadAG | most parts that suck are closed source |
| 21:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | maybe there's been plans for portrait mode, but realizing how much trouble it gets them and how fuggly it looks they binned it |
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| 21:26.41 | zakkkkm_ | but did they ever show it had onscreen or anything? |
| 21:26.47 | zakkkkm_ | any images or promotional videos? |
| 21:26.51 | zakkkkm_ | any text saying as such? |
| 21:26.53 | kwtm | zakkkkm_: Ahh, my point exactly: suppose a person needed portrait mode, but also wants the N900. He might say, "Oh, the N900 has portrait mode" and then get it only to find out that portrait mode is limited. |
| 21:27.36 | MohammadAG | may I ask who added the uninstall part in the CSSU page? |
| 21:27.40 | MohammadAG | if they're here anyway |
| 21:27.51 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Uninstall <-- they're uninstalling mcsp, which isn't part of the CSSU |
| 21:27.53 | zakkkkm_ | MohammadAG: cant you go through history? |
| 21:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 21:28.08 | kwtm | zakkkkm_: You're kidding, right? The promotional video shows portrait and landscape mode, and you're saying "But we never said it had portrait mode other than the phone"? If the onscreen keyboard works except for the Z Q X and V keys, would you say "we never promised you that those keys worked --the promotional videos only showed the other keys working"? |
| 21:28.18 | MohammadAG | clicks history |
| 21:28.40 | MohammadAG | Tomchiverton <-- not anyone I know from here/tmo |
| 21:28.57 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Where's the CSSU repository? The wiki page keeps referring to it without actually giving the URL. Would like to add it so I can browse what's in it. If it's not already in the wiki, might also be a good idea to add it. |
| 21:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: a common problem when product requirement specs are flaky |
| 21:29.27 | merlin1991 | btw DocScrutinizer if you're scared about old versions getting purged from the repo, use http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community-testing/ instead :D |
| 21:29.27 | MohammadAG | kwtm, http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ |
| 21:29.34 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I guess it's the corner cases. But it's just such a pity when you have such a capable developer community but the company decides not to support it. Well, I guess there's a reason behind thir actions. |
| 21:29.36 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Thx. |
| 21:29.38 | merlin1991 | I don't run the cleanup scripts on it :) |
| 21:29.41 | MohammadAG | FYI, repo browsing is disabled |
| 21:29.45 | MohammadAG | (I didn't ask for that) |
| 21:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: \o/ |
| 21:30.12 | merlin1991 | there's a complete mirror of extras and -devel too |
| 21:30.19 | kwtm | MohammadAG: What I mean is update repository, and then apt-get update and then apt-cache search to look for what version I can install. Will I be able to install an older version of 1.3.3.7? |
| 21:30.20 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, the CSSU repository is quite primitive compared with extras-devel |
| 21:30.33 | merlin1991 | I know |
| 21:30.36 | MohammadAG | it doesn't cleanup, if I send the same version the package gets corrupt etc |
| 21:30.50 | MohammadAG | kwtm, sure :) |
| 21:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you're AWESOME |
| 21:30.55 | MohammadAG | you can actually hand pick the packages you want |
| 21:31.35 | MohammadAG | apt pinning should help with that |
| 21:31.38 | MohammadAG | tbh, I'm considering making HAM show * packages for upgrades, not just user/* packages |
| 21:31.52 | MohammadAG | that way, we get rid of the metapackage crap that debian/ubuntu don't support from |
| 21:32.00 | MohammadAG | suffer* |
| 21:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, buntkuh has other things it suffers from, just enough ;-P |
| 21:32.53 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: that mirror is already 79GB big :D |
| 21:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | friggin scary, but I guess I could even restore a a pr1.2 backup from there |
| 21:33.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, debian doesn't :p |
| 21:33.55 | kwtm | MohammadAG: did apt-pinning a long time ago for my ubuntu system --probably need a refresher which I will look for on the web. Meanwhile: is this right?: so I add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager (or a new file in the same directory) saying "deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free" ? |
| 21:34.15 | MohammadAG | I'd add it in sources.list directly |
| 21:34.30 | kwtm | merlin1991: Whoa, almost missed your URL there. WIll check it out. Whose server is it on? Yours? |
| 21:34.34 | MohammadAG | the ham file is rewritten at some point using an xml file |
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| 21:34.53 | merlin1991 | kwtm: mine |
| 21:34.59 | kwtm | merlin1991: Thanks! |
| 21:36.08 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Yeah, i noticed that repositories I commented out under HAM just don't show up at all within that file. However, sources.list is blank. I figured if I'm editing it, I might as well add a new file, like /etc/apt/sources.list.d/more_user_repositories and maybe HAM won't mess around with it. |
| 21:36.39 | kwtm | MohammadAG: But what I mean is, the words following the repository URL should be "fremantle-1.3 free non-free"? Or just "fremantle" and omit the "-1.3"? |
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| 21:37.18 | MohammadAG | oh, sec |
| 21:37.34 | MohammadAG | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 21:37.48 | kwtm | Oh, I see, it's whatever's listed under $URL/pool |
| 21:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | l8r o/ |
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| 21:46.22 | kwtm | Oh dear. GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5D0E7C4F2E6D6F9A I suppose the key is somewhere on the web? |
| 21:48.47 | kwtm | Hmm... google says it isn't; it's just downloaded when I use the Community Testing installer. I guess I should use that installer, then; people have certainly put enough effort into setting it up. |
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| 21:51.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, someone picked up kernel-power |
| 21:52.03 | MohammadAG | kwtm, the error is more of a warning, the community-ssu-enabler installs it, sec |
| 21:52.04 | merlin1991 | rly? |
| 21:52.17 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879 |
| 21:52.34 | merlin1991 | doesn't belive |
| 21:52.46 | MohammadAG | gets his AK-47 |
| 21:52.53 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, second thoughts? |
| 21:53.01 | merlin1991 | fake |
| 21:53.03 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 21:53.18 | MohammadAG | the gun? no, it fires lasers |
| 21:53.26 | MohammadAG | kwtm, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/blobs/master/debian/postinst#line47 |
| 21:53.30 | merlin1991 | grabs steyr aug, wanna have 200m duel? :D |
| 21:53.58 | merlin1991 | jokes aside, how serious is the guy? |
| 21:54.28 | MohammadAG | he seems to know shit about kernels :p |
| 21:55.09 | MohammadAG | checked his post history etc |
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| 22:01.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm thinking of rewriting the battery applet in C, wanna help? |
| 22:01.46 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Is that the status indicator for the battery? If so, may I informally submit a request here? |
| 22:01.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: sure |
| 22:02.34 | kwtm | Please make it so that the battery icon changes colour when charging, so it's obvious at a glance that it's charging, without waiting to see if that apparently "low on battery" icon is actually a "in a few seconds I'm going to change to a not-so-low on battery icon if you keep staring at me for 10 seconds" icon? |
| 22:02.35 | MohammadAG | kwtm, yeah |
| 22:02.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | brilliant idea, we could make it play nice with h-e-n as well |
| 22:02.51 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 22:03.06 | MohammadAG | there's already a rewrite, but it's in python, sucks memory and battery life |
| 22:03.08 | kwtm | I actually think it's a UI design flaw to have any sort of animated icon on a "status line", but I'll be happy if you just make (i dunno) the outline blue or some other obvious change. Thanks! |
| 22:03.22 | kwtm | lol, the battery indicator applet sucks battery life. ! :) |
| 22:03.25 | MohammadAG | kwtm, a static indicator would be doable |
| 22:03.33 | MohammadAG | well, python does :p |
| 22:03.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, so there's a way to interface with it without bme? |
| 22:03.56 | MohammadAG | (and with C) |
| 22:04.19 | kwtm | MohammadAG: That would be great, to have static. If the static indicator also shows how much the battery is charged (rather than just charging) that would be nice, but I really want to strangle the person who thought that the "charging" indicator should look exactly like the "50% battery left" indicator. |
| 22:04.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm wsalking - later |
| 22:04.42 | MohammadAG | hah |
| 22:05.03 | MohammadAG | kwtm, a USB cable on top of the battery full indicator could be helpful |
| 22:05.10 | MohammadAG | anyway, /me starts on GUI |
| 22:05.18 | kwtm | I just wrote a battery indicator in bash: suckbattery --howfast=all && echo Your battery is dead |
| 22:05.24 | MohammadAG | and /me hates GObject |
| 22:05.35 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 22:11.23 | ksatan73 | hi can someone help me format the nokia n900 please |
| 22:12.35 | ksatan73 | i have pressed U and i see the USB logo and nokia logo what do i have to do next? |
| 22:14.38 | merlin1991 | ~flashing |
| 22:14.38 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 22:15.58 | ksatan73 | i have downloaded the flasher |
| 22:16.02 | ksatan73 | what next |
| 22:16.17 | jacekowski | rtfm |
| 22:16.18 | ksatan73 | i have installed it on my pc |
| 22:16.26 | ksatan73 | sorry i m a noob at it |
| 22:17.04 | jacekowski | then read the manual |
| 22:17.24 | jacekowski | you can't break your phone if you do something wrong |
| 22:17.33 | ksatan73 | i have opened the flasher |
| 22:17.40 | ksatan73 | is there a command i have to put there |
| 22:17.44 | jacekowski | read the manual |
| 22:17.49 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 22:17.50 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:17.51 | ksatan73 | what manual? |
| 22:17.52 | jacekowski | it's all in there |
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| 22:21.46 | kwtm | MohammadAG: so, if I install only the package "mp-fremantle-community-pr" then that will be sufficient to upgrade to 1.3.3.7? Or is there another package I also need to install? |
| 22:22.21 | ksatan73 | jacekowski i need ur help please |
| 22:22.23 | ksatan73 | can u pm me |
| 22:23.43 | dotblank | MohammadAG, Do you know if anywork has been done with that vkbd library |
| 22:24.09 | dotblank | I'd rather use it instead of my current implementation |
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| 22:25.00 | ksatan73 | i thought this was a help channel |
| 22:25.33 | MohammadAG | kwtm, sufficient |
| 22:25.53 | MohammadAG | dotblank, what library? |
| 22:26.09 | jacekowski | ksatan73: help, not spoonfeed |
| 22:26.24 | dotblank | I remember awhile back a group of people wanted a vertical virtual keyboard. |
| 22:26.24 | jacekowski | ksatan73: have you read that page? |
| 22:26.33 | dotblank | you told them to look at my application |
| 22:26.42 | dotblank | do you remember the name of the project? |
| 22:26.48 | BCMM | ksatan73: you realise this is an IRC channel with volunteers, right? |
| 22:26.55 | BCMM | i mean, not like paid phone support or something |
| 22:27.13 | ksatan73 | yes |
| 22:27.16 | ksatan73 | i understand that |
| 22:27.19 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Thx. Am reading up on man apt_preferences and preparing to pin the version to 1.3.3.7-6.5. Btw, thx for always being available and helpful with straight, to-the-point answers. I know the temptation is always there to poke a bit of fun at the noobs, and I've never seen you do that. Much appreciated. |
| 22:27.28 | ksatan73 | i m asking a simple question and i keep on getting a link |
| 22:27.42 | jacekowski | ksatan73: have you read it? |
| 22:27.45 | ksatan73 | if i was able to understand everything on it i wouldn't be here asking a question |
| 22:27.48 | jacekowski | ksatan73: all answers are there |
| 22:27.50 | BCMM | ksatan73: well, you see, that link has your answer |
| 22:28.00 | BCMM | ksatan73: oh, ok. why not explain which bit of that page is confusing? |
| 22:28.10 | ksatan73 | i have done it once i just can't remmebr how i did it |
| 22:28.16 | ksatan73 | my camera is not working now |
| 22:28.29 | ksatan73 | and iw as told i need to format it |
| 22:28.54 | BCMM | ksatan73: you want to reflash the device, right? |
| 22:29.01 | ksatan73 | yes |
| 22:29.04 | BCMM | ksatan73: which OS are you using on your PC? |
| 22:29.09 | ksatan73 | windows |
| 22:29.11 | ksatan73 | xp |
| 22:29.30 | BCMM | ksatan73: have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900_2 ? |
| 22:29.43 | BCMM | if so, at which point did you have a problem? |
| 22:30.00 | dotblank | Ah I think it was portrtait keyboard |
| 22:35.07 | jacekowski | BCMM: at reading it probably |
| 22:49.39 | ksatan73 | BCMM Mohammadag is helping me |
| 22:49.41 | ksatan73 | thanks |
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| 22:58.41 | kwtm | Hmm.... my /etc/apt/preferences pinning settings don't seem to be working. Still experimenting ... :P |
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| 23:01.26 | MohammadAG | kwtm, last part in the first post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599 |
| 23:02.06 | MohammadAG | hates having to read docs |
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| 23:03.38 | kwtm | Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things. |
| 23:03.38 | infobot | kwtm: sure thing |
| 23:03.56 | kwtm | infobot: What? I wasn't talking to you. Go back to being a bot. |
| 23:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT? |
| 23:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | thank you |
| 23:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | Thank you |
| 23:05.53 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
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| 23:06.10 | MohammadAG | kwtm, tbh, I never got priority, 1001 seems to always work |
| 23:06.18 | MohammadAG | Thank you, DocScrutinizer. |
| 23:06.27 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 23:06.50 | MohammadAG | kwtm, say that last line again :p |
| 23:06.57 | MohammadAG | the one that triggered infobot |
| 23:07.16 | merlin1991 | #maemo wants to know about the dark side of infobot :D |
| 23:07.21 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Right. The man apt_preferences doc in Ubuntu seems to work, although it says "Priority:" and even the Ubuntu wiki says "Pin-Priority:". I already know that 1001 is what I want (for 500-1000, then it's "upgrade unless it's in the main distro" or something.) Okay, here, I'm going to stimulate infobot again. |
| 23:07.26 | kwtm | Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things. |
| 23:07.26 | infobot | no problem, kwtm |
| 23:07.41 | kwtm | THere you go. Did I say the hypnotic trigger by accident or something? |
| 23:07.56 | MohammadAG | Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things. |
| 23:07.56 | infobot | sure thing, MohammadAG |
| 23:08.03 | MohammadAG | LMFAO |
| 23:08.07 | merlin1991 | Thank you, MohammadAG. I'm just testing infobot |
| 23:08.13 | merlin1991 | that's not it :D |
| 23:08.17 | kwtm | What is it? I named some pathname or something? |
| 23:08.21 | MohammadAG | it's the whole thing |
| 23:08.34 | kwtm | Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref |
| 23:08.34 | infobot | kwtm: pas de quoi |
| 23:08.42 | MohammadAG | kwtm, no, you triggered infobot somehow |
| 23:08.43 | kwtm | Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", |
| 23:08.50 | kwtm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.56 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 23:08.56 | MohammadAG | apt |
| 23:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | apt |
| 23:09.03 | merlin1991 | thank you apt |
| 23:09.03 | infobot | merlin1991: de rien |
| 23:09.04 | Gh0sty | :D |
| 23:09.04 | MohammadAG | thank you apt |
| 23:09.04 | infobot | MohammadAG: sure thing |
| 23:09.07 | merlin1991 | there we go :D |
| 23:09.21 | kwtm | what, anything containing "thank you" and "apt"? |
| 23:09.25 | Gh0sty | thank you something something apt |
| 23:09.25 | infobot | bitte, Gh0sty |
| 23:09.33 | MohammadAG | thank you some epically long sentence containing weird words, apt |
| 23:09.33 | infobot | MohammadAG: no problem |
| 23:09.41 | kwtm | ?? Where did that come from? Interesting. |
| 23:09.48 | merlin1991 | thank not you apt, you know you're not meant |
| 23:09.48 | infobot | merlin1991: bitte |
| 23:09.51 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | apt == infobot |
| 23:09.55 | MohammadAG | kwtm, infobot's name is apt |
| 23:09.56 | Gh0sty | the bot is weird! :) |
| 23:09.59 | kwtm | ohh!!!! |
| 23:10.09 | MohammadAG | apt, nuke world |
| 23:10.11 | kwtm | You should name it "the" instead. Then it'll NEVER get triggered! :P |
| 23:10.38 | merlin1991 | wonders if you can tell to stfu |
| 23:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | thank you infobot |
| 23:10.44 | MohammadAG | I wonder how to set alignment in applets |
| 23:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 23:10.58 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, I think so |
| 23:11.11 | MohammadAG | infobot, shut up |
| 23:11.11 | infobot | as you wish, master mohammadag |
| 23:11.35 | MohammadAG | what if it commits suicide now? |
| 23:11.37 | SpeedEvil | http://samy.pl/androidmap/ |
| 23:11.44 | SpeedEvil | router-lookup to geolocation |
| 23:11.56 | merlin1991 | infobot: I'm your dark lord |
| 23:11.58 | kwtm | MohammadAG: then we would thank it. :) |
| 23:12.01 | merlin1991 | didn't work :P |
| 23:13.43 | kwtm | Ok, if anyone cares: N900's apt system ignores /etc/apt/preferences.d/* so we have to put things in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 23:14.02 | kwtm | I think I'll post it in the wiki or forum just so this doesn't get lost. |
| 23:16.36 | Gh0sty | teach it to infobot :P |
| 23:22.18 | kwtm | LOL. I just tried to apt-get install something, and out of ubuntu habit I put "sudo <command>" even though I was logged in as root on my N900. It said: "root is not in the sudoers file --this incident will be reported!" |
| 23:22.42 | kwtm | *Naughty* root, what do you think you're doing, trying to execute a privileged command! |
| 23:22.49 | MohammadAG | yeah, I notice that too :P |
| 23:23.01 | MohammadAG | just run "root" as root |
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| 23:24.15 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and I have to deal with those billions of reports ;-P |
| 23:25.40 | MohammadAG | I can't figure out how to align shit in gtk |
| 23:25.47 | MohammadAG | anyway |
| 23:25.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how do we get battery life? bme? hal? |
| 23:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | for now? hal/dbus |
| 23:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | there's a pretty decent signal on dbus, for changed bat capacity % |
| 23:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | even telling about new capacity% |
| 23:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | so all you need to do is listen for this signal |
| 23:28.16 | kwtm | I've never quite figured out exactly what it takes for my N900 to turn back on after turning it off. The first time I press the power button it almost never turns on. Does it always ignore the first time or is there some lock-out time to prevent unintentional turn-on? Hmm.... |
| 23:28.37 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Thought you were a Qt guy and Maemo now has Qt. Why run in GTK? Because the status indicator is GTK? |
| 23:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | press power button until white light full on, then *wait* |
| 23:28.52 | merlin1991 | because applets in qt load slow |
| 23:29.12 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: he says after turning off |
| 23:29.13 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I know, but the first time I always hold it down for, like, forever and it doesn't respond. The second time it works right away. |
| 23:29.16 | merlin1991 | I have that too |
| 23:29.23 | merlin1991 | I hold it an nothing happens |
| 23:29.30 | FireFly|n900 | Yeah |
| 23:29.34 | kwtm | merlin1991: I think it has a mood sensor. The more of a hurry I am in, the less likely it turns on. |
| 23:29.35 | merlin1991 | screen off seems to be != realy off |
| 23:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | device takes like 30s to really shut off |
| 23:30.10 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: So, effectively, a time-out then. Ok. |
| 23:30.13 | MohammadAG | kwtm, applets are in Gtk |
| 23:30.13 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, I'm pretty I haven't seen any status area applets in Qt |
| 23:30.41 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: "I'm pretty", pics or it didn't happen ;) |
| 23:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 23:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | I thought you're my father |
| 23:31.23 | merlin1991 | o_O |
| 23:31.36 | merlin1991 | how come? |
| 23:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG, not you |
| 23:31.51 | merlin1991 | ah :D |
| 23:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | see his avatar |
| 23:31.54 | merlin1991 | makes more sense :D |
| 23:32.14 | merlin1991 | doesn't he have that killzone pic everywhere? |
| 23:32.15 | MohammadAG | pretty sure |
| 23:32.20 | MohammadAG | fu :P |
| 23:32.38 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, you know kz? |
| 23:32.44 | MohammadAG | I thought you hated consoles :p |
| 23:33.04 | merlin1991 | that doesn't prevent me from knowing stuff about my enemy, or? :D |
| 23:33.15 | MohammadAG | also, why the f does the battery applet have 3 hours remaining in it |
| 23:33.22 | MohammadAG | string the .so file |
| 23:33.34 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, so you're a spy? |
| 23:33.39 | sid_ | its funny |
| 23:34.08 | merlin1991 | I'd go for non-console gamer, but spy can be right too ;) |
| 23:34.22 | merlin1991 | also holy crap we're way off topic here :D |
| 23:34.37 | MohammadAG | so? :P |
| 23:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, actually... |
| 23:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | got another access list entry, out of thin air today. And I even replied "thank you", nfc why |
| 23:37.34 | kwtm | merlin1991: Non-console gamer? You mean, like Zork, or text-mode boggle? |
| 23:38.14 | merlin1991 | I mean like w:et, tc:e, and atm swkotor |
| 23:39.34 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, get portal 2 nao |
| 23:39.41 | merlin1991 | I have it |
| 23:39.48 | merlin1991 | portal too :) |
| 23:39.56 | merlin1991 | you got it? |
| 23:39.57 | MohammadAG | cool, then we can coop when I get it :p |
| 23:40.01 | merlin1991 | I still have to try the coop :D |
| 23:40.18 | MohammadAG | nah, couldn't find it yet, but I finished story mode |
| 23:40.36 | MohammadAG | couldn't wait for it, so he admits getting it in wrong ways until it arrives |
| 23:40.38 | kwtm | merlin1991: young whippersnapper. Get off my lawn! Back to text mode portal. /me types in "fire gun to sw and jump" |
| 23:40.41 | merlin1991 | the humor in it is simply awesome :D |
| 23:40.58 | MohammadAG | pota... |
| 23:41.02 | MohammadAG | nevermind, spoilers :p |
| 23:41.28 | merlin1991 | kwtm: kings quest 2? |
| 23:41.31 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, I didn't expect the ending |
| 23:42.08 | kwtm | merlin1991: I'm still trying to solve the original zork. Kings quest 2 has graphics --too distracting. (Yes, graphics are about 320x240) |
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| 23:42.46 | merlin1991 | well that's about the oldest game I have :D |
| 23:43.38 | kwtm | My first game was Adventure, and we didn't have a personal computer yet. It was played on one of those printing terminals that you hook up by acoustic coupler modem to my dad's mainframe at work. |
| 23:44.46 | kwtm | I love that "Still Alive" song, though. It was hilarious. |
| 23:44.56 | MohammadAG | Still Alive pwns the new one |
| 23:45.03 | MohammadAG | "That's what I'm counting on" I think |
| 23:45.29 | MohammadAG | nah, "Want you gone" |
| 23:46.29 | kwtm | Do you *have* to get a second player to play Portal 2? |
| 23:46.34 | merlin1991 | no |
| 23:46.38 | merlin1991 | it has a sp campaign too |
| 23:46.42 | kwtm | ah. |
| 23:46.43 | merlin1991 | but I did beat it in 5 hrs |
| 23:46.49 | merlin1991 | it's 2 seperate campaigns |
| 23:47.59 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, did you know coop's cross platform? |
| 23:48.06 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 23:48.19 | MohammadAG | PS3 <=> PC |
| 23:48.26 | MohammadAG | The PS3 can login with Steam :P |
| 23:48.31 | merlin1991 | awesome :) |
| 23:48.46 | MohammadAG | if you buy the PS3 version you get a free PC copy |
| 23:49.01 | MohammadAG | so you know which version I'm buying :p |
| 23:49.02 | kwtm | In 1.3.3.7, does "force all apps to autorotate" just mean that Shift-Ctrl-R will work even if the app says it doesn't like to auto-rotate, or does it turn on auto-rotate all the time? |
| 23:49.15 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Steam works on PS3? I didn't know that. |
| 23:49.23 | MohammadAG | kwtm, ctrl+shift+r is applied to all windows |
| 23:49.32 | MohammadAG | kwtm, Valve made it part of Portal 2 |
| 23:50.10 | MohammadAG | kwtm, http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/ps3-portal-2-to-come-with-free-pcmac-version-cross-platform-play.ars |
| 23:50.21 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Wonderful. That's exactly what I want. <deleted comment about how the FOSS community has a better idea than Nokia of what the user wants. .... must .. resist .. ragging on Nokia ...> |
| 23:50.44 | kwtm | MohammadAG: THat's great. I'm just waiting for the Ubuntu port of Portal now. :) |
| 23:51.02 | kwtm | Actually, who am I kidding? I can't even make it past the first level of tetris. |
| 23:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: could you set /cs access #maemo infobot +vV please? I'm missing +f so can't do it |
| 23:51.16 | kwtm | types "shift piece of left. Now! Now!" |
| 23:51.21 | kwtm | s/of/to/ |
| 23:51.28 | MohammadAG | I'd install Windows for Portal |
| 23:51.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879 btw? |
| 23:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: actually /cs access #maemo infobot VOP or sth |
| 23:52.54 | merlin1991 | kwtm: portal != tetris, portal works with trial and error while tetris requires insane skill :) |
| 23:54.20 | kwtm | YESSS!!!! Portrait mode!! Finally!!!!!! Thank you thank you thank you MohammadAG |
| 23:54.29 | MohammadAG | thank thp |
| 23:54.31 | kwtm | and everyone else too, I mean. Anyone else here work on 1.3.3.7? DocScrutinizer? |
| 23:54.35 | MohammadAG | oh, he's not on #maemo anymore |
| 23:54.37 | kwtm | thank you thp |
| 23:54.43 | kwtm | ~seen thp |
| 23:54.49 | infobot | thp is currently on #meego, last said: 'w00t_: good - it's a planned outage :)'. |
| 23:54.49 | MohammadAG | kwtm, contributors in Settings -> About Community SSU |
| 23:54.51 | kwtm | !seen thp |
| 23:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: have YOU seen this thread? ;-D what's with maintainership takeover now, for PK? |
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| 23:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen t-tan |
| 23:56.54 | infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 318d 4h 15m 55s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. |
| 23:56.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pali seems to have taken over it, but he thought he needed to wait for his maintainer request to upload the new packages |
| 23:57.02 | MohammadAG | hopefully he'll see my last post |
| 23:57.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, titan is dead, in tmo's terms anyway |
| 23:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | that's what she said |
| 23:57.37 | MohammadAG | I... didn't get that one |
| 23:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 23:57.40 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
| 23:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack MohammadAG |
| 23:58.06 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG |
| 23:58.17 | kwtm | infobot is female? |
| 23:58.17 | infobot | ACTION confuses all the nearby males |
| 23:58.51 | *** join/#maemo Dhraakellian (~ntryon@cpe-66-67-30-124.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 23:59.09 | kwtm | vim in portrait mode ftw! :) lol |
| 23:59.12 | Gh0sty | ofcourse all bots are female |
| 23:59.22 | Gh0sty | computers are too |
| 23:59.51 | MohammadAG | GLaDOS <3 |