| 00:04.02 | SpeedEvil | I only watch flash generally on two sites |
| 00:04.04 | SpeedEvil | So... |
| 00:06.35 | nox- | yeah the problem is more with `random' links that might contain flash |
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| 00:06.59 | nox- | on a pc i use noscript bc of this but on the phone... |
| 00:07.18 | SpeedEvil | I visit very few wierd websites. |
| 00:07.33 | nox- | *nod* |
| 00:07.38 | FIQ | omg |
| 00:07.40 | SpeedEvil | The met-office norway, my local governmental sites, transport info sites |
| 00:07.59 | FIQ | how can this thread still be in the forums? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72418 |
| 00:08.06 | FIQ | (as in, not deleted) |
| 00:08.10 | internetishard | you live in Norway? |
| 00:08.43 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:08.49 | internetishard | oh |
| 00:08.53 | internetishard | I've a possible job there |
| 00:09.04 | SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/hour_by_hour.html |
| 00:09.14 | SpeedEvil | Wackily enough, it gives the best forecasts I've found |
| 00:10.17 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/varsel.xml |
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| 05:01.18 | pupnik_ | new pic of N900 client: http://j.mp/gx5QDc \o/ |
| 05:02.17 | Jade | what is that |
| 05:02.19 | Jade | nethack? |
| 05:02.58 | pupnik_ | newp, daimonin |
| 05:03.12 | pupnik_ | but it's roguelike, just online |
| 05:03.18 | Jade | how do i try it |
| 05:03.23 | pupnik_ | been working on the UI for a month |
| 05:03.28 | pupnik_ | apply to become a tester :D |
| 05:03.47 | pupnik_ | let me know when you have some time to learn the game - it's almost all keyboard based |
| 05:04.25 | pupnik_ | i can only use people who can test for a few hours and give feedback *after* learning how to play it |
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| 05:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | quite night |
| 05:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | quiet* |
| 05:19.50 | robbiethe1st | Hm, DocS, got a problem: I have a USB drive. Ran fsck on it, it gave me "There are differences between boot sector and its backup.", and a whole list of differences. I picked "set original to backup", which was the /wrong/ option. |
| 05:20.41 | robbiethe1st | Do you know of a good way to repair a sector based on a list of CSV "decimal offset:hex-byte" combinations? |
| 05:21.15 | robbiethe1st | I assume it's going to be something on the order of using DD to make a sector copy, then work from there... |
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| 05:31.31 | pupnik_ | wonder how to set the keyboard layout to en/uk |
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| 06:42.22 | pupnik_ | hmm, a proxy to compress gprs traffic http://toonel.net/ |
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| 06:48.04 | iluminator101 | how do install cssu on my stock n900? |
| 06:49.10 | pupnik_ | talk.maemo.org should have a thread |
| 06:53.36 | iluminator101 | pupnik_, have you installed it? |
| 06:55.10 | pupnik_ | yes, don't remember how |
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| 06:57.47 | iluminator101 | is the install like an upgrade or it is a migration? |
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| 08:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: good plan. Or use hexedit on the raw device (you *need* knowledge about the filesystem then) - not all hexedits can do this |
| 08:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | google diskedit |
| 08:38.45 | robbiethe1st | Yea. Actually, I managed to get it working; took my copied sector, wrote a little script to handle character replacements with the new values, ran it, and put the fixed sector back... and it /worked/. |
| 08:39.40 | robbiethe1st | (Well, second try. I first copied/fixed the drive sector 0 instead, which left me a broken partition table. Restored that, then got partition sector 0 instead. which worked.) |
| 08:39.47 | robbiethe1st | Yea |
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| 08:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_editor#Linux |
| 08:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://rigaux.org/hexedit.html |
| 08:55.42 | robbiethe1st | Thanks; next time I need it |
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| 09:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | oh, how I *HATE* docpurge |
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| 09:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | hexedit on N900 useless due to missing manpage (though I *have* mandb-n900) |
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| 09:24.53 | cehteh | man docpurge :) |
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| 09:31.52 | SmokeyD | hey everyone. I created an extra ext3 partition on my n900 builtin mmc card. I want this automounted, so I added ext3 to /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount, but then I still wonder how this script is called durin boot because the mountpoint is passed to this script as an argument. |
| 09:32.59 | robbiethe1st | Uh, not sure |
| 09:33.32 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer:Any idea about this? |
| 09:33.43 | SmokeyD | I may have found it on http://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_on_microSD_card |
| 09:34.05 | SmokeyD | i need to also edit /usr/bin/mmc-mount |
| 09:34.19 | cehteh | SmokeyD: hint: i commented all this nokiaisms out and made a fstab which now doesnt get overwritten |
| 09:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: we'd like to know who invented that cruft and why |
| 09:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 09:36.15 | cehteh | yeah .. and why it is *that* broken |
| 09:36.31 | cehteh | its based on a lot of false assumptions |
| 09:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 09:37.07 | cehteh | why the hell do they autogenerate a fstab when they expect some very specific partitioning |
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| 09:37.32 | cehteh | if it would be truely generic then i may even like it .. but this way .. nogo |
| 09:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 09:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | braindamaged |
| 09:38.53 | cehteh | apropos .. is there any chance to get it fixed in the cssu? .. if yes then i may actually review this and improve the nokia scripts .. but just for myself there is no benefit over just commenting it out |
| 09:39.03 | cehteh | MohammadAG: what do you think? |
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| 09:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think if we can fix it in a compatible 'seamless' way, it is well worth doing it |
| 09:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | also updating sudo to a recent version that supports include-dir, and kick that insane update-sudoers |
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| 09:43.31 | cehteh | this daemon which does the mounting/unmounting is closed? |
| 09:43.48 | cehteh | forgot the mame dsme? |
| 09:44.34 | cehteh | well .. cant udev be used for that? |
| 09:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | ke-recv |
| 09:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 09:45.38 | cehteh | i dont know if removing the back cover generates a kernel event, if not them one could prolly add a userspace daemon which feeds a event into the kernel |
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| 09:45.41 | cehteh | dunno maybe |
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| 09:46.15 | cehteh | actually i am n900 user not programmer, after it works reasonable for me now i rarely tweaking it |
| 09:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | removing/closing backcover *does* create a kevent. ke-recv is working on that |
| 09:46.34 | cehteh | and maybe you noticed i am busy past months, building a kitchen :) |
| 09:46.53 | RST38h | will it have robots? =) |
| 09:47.17 | cehteh | i was thinking about a kitchen computer :) |
| 09:47.33 | cehteh | some tablet or netbook in a front |
| 09:47.37 | RST38h | with Meego! |
| 09:47.52 | cehteh | prolly then just debian .. |
| 09:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | I think udev should be able to work like that as well |
| 09:48.15 | cehteh | and later maybe some home automation |
| 09:48.36 | cehteh | sure if it creates a kernel event then kernel/udev can do it all on itself |
| 09:48.55 | cehteh | nokia just cried NIH and did it in their own ways |
| 09:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 09:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | called ke-recv which afaik is closed :-P |
| 09:49.24 | cehteh | bme as well |
| 09:49.27 | cehteh | (NIH) |
| 09:49.39 | RST38h | National Institute of Health? |
| 09:49.47 | cehteh | do you know what else ke-recv does? |
| 09:49.54 | cehteh | RST38h: Not Invented Here |
| 09:50.10 | RST38h | Ah |
| 09:52.23 | cehteh | http://www.christeck.de/wp/ ... christoph has monav running on his n900 but doesnt want to package it |
| 09:52.28 | cehteh | anyone up for that? |
| 09:52.57 | cehteh | vector maps, local routing with an incredible fast algorithm |
| 09:53.20 | RST38h | "Sitting on a hill just 28 miles from the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is one of Japans most peculiar and popular tourist destinations." |
| 09:55.08 | cehteh | ah meanwhile he has packaged monav |
| 09:55.43 | cehteh | but not pushing it to devel .. |
| 09:55.48 | cehteh | (extras) |
| 09:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: ke-recv fist of all manages mass-storage-mode |
| 09:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | first* |
| 09:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ke-recv-test |
| 09:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | Usage: ke-recv-test <command> [/dev/mmcblk(1|0)] |
| 09:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | cb - close battery cover signal |
| 09:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
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| 09:58.41 | cehteh | well i wonder if it does anything else |
| 09:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | see the omitted lines of help output of ke-recv |
| 09:59.12 | cehteh | dogfeeding a watchdog or so ... you know, they certainly fucked it up in some way |
| 09:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | umm, strace it ;-D |
| 09:59.42 | cehteh | another day |
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| 10:10.34 | cehteh | cool .. just deleting little cruft gave me 10GB space free :P |
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| 10:22.11 | cehteh | 123700K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 3% 82.2K 8h32m |
| 10:22.17 | cehteh | ugh :) |
| 10:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like download from maemo |
| 10:25.08 | RST38h | 59% of 349MB 3h38m |
| 10:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | damn, what r u doin? |
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| 10:32.08 | dominikb | hi! i want to do a software update (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade) from python. is that possible? |
| 10:33.24 | cehteh | needs root, in some way thats possible for sure |
| 10:33.49 | cehteh | why do you want that .. users may disagree with that practice |
| 10:34.19 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: monav maps 3.something GB from osm |
| 10:36.09 | dominikb | cehteh: we are using N900 as on-board-devices for carsharing. when an app update becomes available, we always have to upgrade to the latest PySide-version. |
| 10:37.21 | dominikb | cetheh: in our app we want to offer an upgrade-button. clicking that button shall first upgrade the system and then the carsharing application. |
| 10:37.40 | cehteh | ok |
| 10:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | dominikb: careless apt-get upgrade may cause system breaks |
| 10:40.48 | dominikb | DocScrutinizer: when the upgrade is interrupted? |
| 10:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | no, when there are incompatible/borked updates for packages that aren't available via HAM |
| 10:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 10:41.41 | cehteh | still? |
| 10:41.47 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 10:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | never tested it |
| 10:42.01 | DocScrutinizer | still the rumour lives on |
| 10:42.04 | cehteh | i thought thats fixed meanwhile, but not sure |
| 10:42.21 | cehteh | anyways you prolly just download your deb and install it with dpkg |
| 10:42.54 | cehteh | and leave system updates to the user .. maybe start HAM or fapman (does it provide some commandline options for proper actions?) |
| 10:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, if it RDEPENDS on some new lib version or whatever, it should pull that anyway |
| 10:43.17 | cehteh | almost always using fapman .. ham is so ugly |
| 10:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | fapman has similar issues |
| 10:43.57 | cehteh | dunno .. works for me without a glitch |
| 10:44.34 | cehteh | i was thinking that fapman knows how to do things right |
| 10:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | no 4 weeks ago we had several reports here of fapman failing and thus messing up system. Depending on a few system related pkgs afaik |
| 10:44.48 | cehteh | outch |
| 10:45.21 | cehteh | ham is unusable when you have testing devel and other repos enabled |
| 10:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | never looked into it as I found fapman unusable after 10min testing it |
| 10:45.46 | cehteh | i dont have the patiene to wait 2 minutes for each button click |
| 10:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | ack, slow as molasses |
| 10:46.05 | cehteh | fapman works really nice for me, i never had an issue |
| 10:46.18 | cehteh | ymmv |
| 10:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, as long as there are no unmet dependencies that don't show up *because* fapman does _not_ update the repo db after each install... ;-D |
| 10:47.54 | dominikb | DocScrutinizer: ok, upgrading PySide should be sufficient. |
| 10:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get upgrade a sinhle package should be safe |
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| 10:51.25 | dominikb | the carsharing app runs as user. how can i run the upgrade as root? 'sudo gainroot' leaves me with a shell. |
| 10:51.39 | cehteh | man sudoers |
| 10:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | add the apt-get cmd to etc/sudoers.d/* |
| 10:52.27 | cehteh | mhm monav segfaults .. grr |
| 10:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget to run friggin update-sudoers script after that |
| 10:53.14 | dominikb | DocScrutinizer, cehteh: thanks! |
| 10:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 11:01.51 | compengi | hello, is there a way to make photo scrolling abit faster? its laggy abit. ive tried to filter the photos. that helps but i have to do it every time |
| 11:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: btw you ever noticed how nice HAM can be when invoked by backup-app restore ? |
| 11:03.01 | cehteh | yes |
| 11:03.46 | cehteh | and now imagine the n900 would have take off like the iphone and not a niche product. .. and 10k apps in the store .. |
| 11:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | I considered to provide some 'backup archive' app metapackages to 'restore' to your system |
| 11:04.51 | cehteh | is meanwhile at a "never touch a running system" state with the n900 .. except normal upgrades |
| 11:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | first metapkg: ALL |
| 11:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, me too. Except for friggin CSSU |
| 11:05.45 | cehteh | ah rebooting .. monav starting up .. prolly its daemon wasnt running or something like that |
| 11:05.55 | robbiethe1st | cehteh: BackupMenu is your friend. |
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| 11:06.36 | cehteh | robbiethe1st: does it work 100% reliable? .. i was reclutant to install it :) |
| 11:06.43 | robbiethe1st | Ask DocS |
| 11:06.53 | cehteh | hehe |
| 11:07.08 | cehteh | i dont want to flash my device anytime soon |
| 11:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: backup works like a charm. Not yet tested restore thoroughly, but sounds like little could break on that |
| 11:07.45 | robbiethe1st | It's 99% reliable; generally, if you can get it running, it will do it's thing correctly. If you've gotten things screwy, it may not start, though(say replacing busybox with Bash, or busybox tar with GNU tar on the optfs) |
| 11:08.07 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: what does it do with the bootloader? i have the power kernel installed but nothin else |
| 11:08.22 | cehteh | and i am good in finding 1% cornercases :P |
| 11:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | kernel/BL unhandled |
| 11:08.27 | compengi | if i compare the scrolling of iphone 4 through over 120 photos, it would make me wonder why would n900 lag on much less quantity |
| 11:08.59 | robbiethe1st | compengi: Poorly written application, I think |
| 11:09.19 | cehteh | 427450K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 10% 60.5K 8h54m |
| 11:09.22 | cehteh | .. |
| 11:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | tracker/dbus |
| 11:10.05 | compengi | robbiethe1st, very sad :/ |
| 11:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | look at dbus-monitor when starting/using galery |
| 11:10.35 | robbiethe1st | compengi: There are other, replacement applications |
| 11:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's so OUCH |
| 11:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | I think they pipe MB thru dbus |
| 11:11.54 | compengi | robbiethe1st, which ones |
| 11:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | same for mediaplayer btw |
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| 11:12.25 | robbiethe1st | Quiver, Mirage I think... |
| 11:12.37 | robbiethe1st | according to google |
| 11:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | <yawn> sorry |
| 11:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 11:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | out for RL |
| 11:13.39 | robbiethe1st | One option is to use the browser: just go to file:///home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 11:13.49 | robbiethe1st | works for scrolling |
| 11:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: (backup-menu) recover is like >>flash new clean system, install backup-menu, restore<< |
| 11:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-D |
| 11:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | microb is the better filemanager/galery/pdf-reader et all ;-D |
| 11:15.49 | robbiethe1st | I may have to just sit down and write an image-viewer with PyQt; seems like it'd be useful |
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| 11:16.12 | robbiethe1st | I'm surprised there aren't a dozen or so already |
| 11:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | galery is brainfsckd anyway, no concept to separate pr0n from family snapshots |
| 11:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | terrible flaw |
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| 11:18.01 | compengi | robbiethe1st, ok ill check it out |
| 11:18.28 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: Oh, yes. Definitely. And photos + album art is almost as bafd |
| 11:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | taking snapshot of my workbench with project, I end on showing my boss the snapshot of me in the mud pit |
| 11:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | even way worse than the missing sub-addrbooks in contacts |
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| 11:22.17 | robbiethe1st | <_< I don't know what's worse: Not finding much in the way of people with an image-viewer, or finding /my own topic/ from many months ago asking about how to make one. |
| 11:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | funny enough you got sub-calendars, but they missed to keep that concept for pictures/contacts/conversations/bla/blup |
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| 11:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | if I were to design the arch for such a system, I'd go for decent multiuser from very beginning, with xdm and all. Then ahve one standard or shared user account that'S accessable from every user account, plus the strictly private media/contacts/whatever for user "business", user "private", user "fuckoff-that's-XXX"... |
| 11:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | have an option on each single contact to mv it to/from shared default user |
| 11:28.44 | RST38h | Ahhh...Summer.Day 1 |
| 11:28.53 | RST38h | Doc: What system are you talking about? |
| 11:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | the ideal maemo |
| 11:29.23 | RST38h | Ah, that... Yea, no good reason to disable multiuser. |
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| 11:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | you might want a tag on each contact, to decide whether the contact gets resolved to plain name on inbound calls, even if the user isn't logged in |
| 11:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | configure mail to always poll or just while user logged in... etc |
| 11:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | of course have switch user option, without prior logout |
| 11:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. open another X session for user private |
| 11:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | switch between sessions |
| 11:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | well, a pretty "normal" unix system :-D |
| 11:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | offer cryptfs OOTB |
| 11:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | as an option of course |
| 11:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | this maemo (and meego?) concept is so... "back to win95" |
| 11:37.46 | RST38h | more battery drain |
| 11:38.16 | RST38h | Yes, custom application menus appeared even earlier though |
| 11:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | or should I say "back to winCE"? |
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| 11:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | OpenEmbedded (or, like I call it, linux for microwaves) is master of that discipline. They kicked out basically *everything*, even /etc/passwd and xterm, and now reinvent thew wheel since years |
| 11:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | and I guess OE based distros like OM/SHR still are running everything as root |
| 11:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 11:43.18 | RST38h | Android, Doc. Remember of Android. |
| 11:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | what's that? ;-D |
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| 11:47.43 | RST38h | It is what is going to kill all your little endevaours into mobile linux distros |
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| 12:01.07 | wazd | hello all |
| 12:01.13 | RST38h | hey wazd |
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| 13:01.02 | ZogG | wazd hey |
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| 13:02.04 | ZogG | <DocScrutinizer> OpenEmbedded (or, like I call it, linux for microwaves) is master of that discipline. They kicked out basically *everything*, even /etc/passwd and xterm, and now reinvent thew wheel since years // man they don't get we want linux phone and not just phone based on linux =( |
| 13:02.20 | ZogG | it's like to buy sport car with automatic =) |
| 13:04.00 | ZogG | Jaffa, ping |
| 13:04.23 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, who is the guys behind mwkn except Jaffa ? |
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| 13:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900? dunno |
| 13:04.55 | ZogG | RST38h wazd http://habrahabr.ru/company/kebrum/blog/117781/ |
| 13:05.07 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcn9Id3hetc |
| 13:07.36 | billmania | Morning. |
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| 13:08.18 | ZogG | billmania borning |
| 13:08.20 | billmania | If someone were silly enough to execute "apt-get dist-upgrade" on an N900, how would he recover from that? ;-) |
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| 13:08.59 | ZogG | billmania what is problem? do you have CSSU? |
| 13:09.36 | billmania | ZogG: I executed "apt-get dist-upgrade" on my N900. The phone appears to have crashed and now will not boot. |
| 13:09.49 | billmania | I don't believe I have CSSU, but I'm also not sure what CSSU is. |
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| 13:10.38 | ZogG | billmania did you back up? |
| 13:10.52 | ZogG | cause i have baaad news for you |
| 13:10.54 | ZogG | ~flash |
| 13:10.54 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:11.11 | billmania | No, but I don't have any data on the N900 which I don't want to lose. |
| 13:11.21 | billmania | ZogG: My contacts were saved to the SIM. |
| 13:11.27 | billmania | Everything else can be wiped. |
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| 13:12.20 | ZogG | billmania than flash it |
| 13:12.26 | ZogG | how does it wouldn't boot btw? |
| 13:13.00 | billmania | ZogG: I'm not sure yet why it won't boot. I have the N900 connected to the mains charger, in case the battery was completely depleted. |
| 13:13.40 | RST38h | ZogG: What is kebrum and who needs it? |
| 13:14.04 | ZogG | RST38h i dunno |
| 13:14.36 | ZogG | RST38h, but i like the idea of new things on maemo and acctually somebody developing on it and they are not from TM |
| 13:14.38 | ZogG | TMO |
| 13:14.45 | RST38h | Has to be useful. |
| 13:15.40 | ZogG | https://kebrum.com/ |
| 13:15.44 | ZogG | RST38h ^ |
| 13:17.18 | RST38h | i.e. they suggest you route all your internet traffic through them? |
| 13:17.21 | RST38h | how convenient! |
| 13:17.51 | ZogG | it's like VPN |
| 13:18.40 | billmania | ZogG: With the mains charger connected, the amber lamp in the lower left corner flashes once, the dim NOKIA banner displays on the screen for a few seconds, then disappears. After one or two seconds, that sequence repeats, continuously. |
| 13:19.20 | RST38h | congratulations, you have got a brick. |
| 13:19.59 | billmania | RST38h: An unrecoverable brick, or a brick which requires a flash of the firmware? |
| 13:20.58 | RST38h | try the flash first |
| 13:21.16 | RST38h | another idea: let it stay on the power supply for 30 minutes, see what changes |
| 13:22.43 | billmania | RST38h: Agreed. I suspect part of the problem was caused by the battery being completely drained during the "dist-upgrade". I'll give it at least 30 minutes to charge, while I setup for the firmware flash, as suggested by ZogG at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux |
| 13:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | no, don't do this! it'll deplete battery and then you're in a real pinch |
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| 13:23.17 | ZogG | billmania do you have other nokia phone? |
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| 13:23.24 | RST38h | dist-upgrade should not have killed it entirely |
| 13:23.32 | ZogG | billmania, try to charge battery with other device |
| 13:23.35 | RST38h | so,maybe the battery charging will work |
| 13:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just ruined rootfs |
| 13:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | reflash as long as battery allows |
| 13:23.46 | ZogG | ^ |
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| 13:24.04 | pupnik_ | RST38h: you might know this - is there a hack for a program to switch keyboard layout of n900 to en/us/uk for consistent mapping? |
| 13:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | no RST38h - battery charging doesn't work on bootloop |
| 13:24.11 | RST38h | how about 1) remove battery 2) wait 5 mins 3) insert battery 4) plug in and charge for 30 mins |
| 13:24.17 | RST38h | Doc: :( |
| 13:24.29 | RST38h | pupnik: explain |
| 13:25.22 | RST38h | pupnik: if you want the physical kbd switch to work, then setting up 2nd layout to cyrillic and modifying the layout files is your only choice |
| 13:25.23 | ZogG | pupnik_ there is script to have separete languge (3rd) byt custom shorkeyss - check it out maybe it would help |
| 13:25.31 | ZogG | one matan i think did - the hebrew one |
| 13:25.46 | RST38h | hebrew also uses modified russian kbd |
| 13:26.10 | pupnik_ | i want one button to generate the same SDLK_ code in all layouts |
| 13:26.23 | RST38h | ah |
| 13:26.32 | RST38h | Sorry, can't say much about SDL |
| 13:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | remove battery for 10s, then after inserting it hold 'u' while plugging device to PC via USB. If NOKIA screen with USB icon stays, reflash immediately (or remove battery to keep the charge for next try). If NOKIA screen does NOT stay, you got a problem |
| 13:26.48 | pupnik_ | well switching the X layout on program start to en/us would o it |
| 13:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | billmania: ^^^ |
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| 13:29.32 | billmania | DocScrutinizer: Please repeat your "u" suggestion. My IRC client crashed. |
| 13:29.41 | DocScrutinizer | remove battery for 10s, then after inserting it hold 'u' while plugging device to PC via USB. If NOKIA screen with USB icon stays, reflash immediately (or remove battery to keep the charge for next try). If NOKIA screen does NOT stay, you got a problem |
| 13:30.16 | billmania | DocScrutinizer: Got it, thanks. Giving it a try ... |
| 13:30.48 | billmania | DocScrutinizer: Even though the mains charger is connected, the battery is not being charged at the moment? |
| 13:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | bootloops IScharge battery rapidly |
| 13:31.24 | DocScrutinizer | DIS* |
| 13:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | you're getting charge only when yellow LED is flashing (lock screen for seeing that) |
| 13:32.36 | billmania | I removed the battery, while I setup to flash the firmware. |
| 13:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | charging is depending on bme getting started in system bootup. Usually a bootlooping system not even reaches that state |
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| 13:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | so it's running from battery despite charger connected |
| 13:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | half an hour of bootlooping most likely will completely drain your battery, and that's a state where you can't flash anymore, and so can't make the device charge anymore |
| 13:35.17 | billmania | Understood. Battery is now removed, so it's neither charging nor being further discharged. |
| 13:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | -->deadlock. Get charged battery *somehow* |
| 13:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 13:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | prepare flashing, then insert battery, hold 'u', plug in device, fire flasher cmd |
| 13:36.32 | billmania | DocScrutinizer: Roger. |
| 13:36.46 | Cor-Ai | who's flashing? :D |
| 13:39.01 | billmania | Cor-Ai: I'm trying to. |
| 13:39.30 | billmania | Retrieving http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin now. |
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| 13:45.31 | billmania | DocScrutinizer: I'm learning as I go. Does the dim NOKIA banner and the single flash of the amber lamp indicate that the N900 is waiting for the flasher, because it can't otherwise find a bootable OS? |
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| 13:47.23 | billmania | I'm guessing this also means that the N900 continues to draw from the battery, even when in the "OFF" state? |
| 13:50.07 | ShadowJK | if it didn't find a bootable os it'd more likely just end up in a reboot loop |
| 13:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | the dim NOKIA screen with USB icon indicates it eneterd flashing mode |
| 13:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, it draws battery power in that state |
| 13:50.52 | billmania | OK. Here we go. Firmware image retrieved and checksum verified. |
| 13:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | NOKIA screen, dim or not, without USB icon means the dives tries normal boot and eventually will bootloop or come up with proper system |
| 13:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | s/dives/device/ |
| 13:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | either case it doesn't charge |
| 13:52.22 | billmania | Seems to be working. Currently "Erasing CMT". |
| 13:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 13:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | unplug from USB for next boot |
| 13:53.24 | billmania | Appears to be booting now. |
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| 14:00.29 | billmania | Looks like I again have a bootable N900. Thanks for the help, DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK, ZogG, RST38h. |
| 14:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 14:00.48 | billmania | I'll wait for it to achieve full charge and then re-install the SIM. |
| 14:01.17 | ZogG | billmania \o/ |
| 14:11.20 | kerio | billmania: then install the CSSU! |
| 14:11.48 | billmania | kerio: Tell me more about CSSU. Will it promote world peace? Regrow hair? |
| 14:11.59 | kerio | yes |
| 14:12.07 | kerio | and it'll update your n900 |
| 14:12.56 | billmania | kerio: Where do I read all about CSSU? |
| 14:13.09 | kerio | ~cssu |
| 14:13.09 | infobot | hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 14:13.16 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 14:13.17 | infobot | aw, gee, kerio |
| 14:14.00 | billmania | What actually started this whole update business this morning was a search for a Python plotting library for the N900. I'm writing an application for the N900. |
| 14:14.11 | billmania | kerio: Looking now. |
| 14:14.57 | SpeedEvil | What about doing it in thebrowser - Openlayers is designed for this sort of stuff. It can overlay a list of python locations on many different maps. |
| 14:15.34 | kerio | billmania: like matplotlib? |
| 14:15.49 | billmania | SpeedEvil: My application will receive a continuous stream of timestamped data and then plot it. |
| 14:16.04 | billmania | kerio: Exactly. I was looking for matplotlib for PyMaemo and the N900. |
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| 14:16.36 | billmania | kerio: Is matplotlib available for the N900? |
| 14:16.44 | FIQ|n900 | Hm |
| 14:17.15 | FIQ|n900 | Per default, easy debian mounts a chroot in a loopback device, in a .img |
| 14:17.21 | FIQ|n900 | That's pretty slow |
| 14:17.38 | FIQ|n900 | Is it possible to partition my SD card for easy debian to use it? |
| 14:18.03 | FIQ|n900 | Then I would get more space as well |
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| 14:20.18 | ShadowJK | certainly |
| 14:21.05 | ShadowJK | but the real question is whether the easy-debian scripts support such a thing, and if not, if you're able and have the skill to do it yourself |
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| 14:46.07 | billmania | kerio: Is matplotlib or an equivalent available for the N900? |
| 14:48.38 | jonne | anyone know what the deal is with mappero and voice announcements? |
| 14:48.39 | jonne | mine's still using interlingua, even though i made an en_GB folder and put the en_US notifications in there |
| 14:51.58 | merlin1991 | I get none at all and I have no idea why :D |
| 14:52.59 | jonne | you have to turn them on in the mappero settings |
| 14:53.17 | jonne | and it uses the language your phone's locale is set to |
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| 14:53.55 | jonne | unfortunately if your current locale has no language files, it falls back to interlingua instead of the more logical choice of using English |
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| 15:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | pffff :-S |
| 15:03.34 | billmania | kerio: Found it: python-matplotlib. Thanks for the nudge. |
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| 15:06.53 | merlin1991 | hm I did enable it in the settings, but I don't even get interlungua |
| 15:08.07 | jonne | weird |
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| 15:36.19 | weed37 | afternoon |
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| 15:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: are you driving around? |
| 15:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | check the speed etc settings |
| 15:52.38 | weed37 | ok guy i just got myself a new n900 what can i do |
| 15:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | weed37: eh? |
| 15:53.18 | weed37 | i heard i can get free apps |
| 15:53.23 | weed37 | and suck |
| 15:53.35 | billmania | weed37: Are you sure you didn't buy an Android phone? |
| 15:53.36 | weed37 | and also make the device run better by rooting it |
| 15:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 15:53.53 | billmania | I hear that's why people buy Androids: all the "apps". :-D |
| 15:53.59 | weed37 | lol |
| 15:54.04 | weed37 | ok cool |
| 15:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | N900 is impossible to "root" |
| 15:54.35 | weed37 | right |
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| 16:14.24 | niv_ | hi all, say when a new event is added, does this shows in dbus? |
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| 16:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | event as in calendar? prolly no |
| 16:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | ou know about dbus-monitor (--system) ? |
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| 16:58.21 | keks-n | sup |
| 16:58.35 | keks-n | Does wget work in the autobuilder? |
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| 18:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, me, Jaffa, and sometimes timsamoff and crashanddie. |
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| 18:21.27 | sandwitch | hello is it possible to use the state module on iptables, do i need another kernel then, and if you know wich one? This is all on N900 with kernel-maemo |
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| 18:29.28 | MohammadAG | infobot, flashing |
| 18:29.28 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 18:31.57 | sandwitch | infobot, iptables |
| 18:31.57 | infobot | iptables is, like, shown in the howto as well (the one in Wiki) or found at http://www.iptables.org/documentation/index.html |
| 18:32.25 | sandwitch | :( |
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| 18:58.58 | pupnik_ | how do i sleep() until a keypress event in sdl? |
| 19:01.24 | pupnik_ | this is deep and confusing to teh pupnik |
| 19:04.28 | RST38h | sdl is supposed to have an event loop |
| 19:04.37 | RST38h | which is supposed to block until an event comes |
| 19:10.42 | pupnik_ | ty for google search term |
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| 19:19.21 | sandwitch | thx for pointer MohammadAG solved with 2.6.28.10power42 |
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| 19:31.23 | MohammadAG | sandwitch, that wasn't at you actually :P |
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| 19:37.34 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.35 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.42 | pupnik_ | doing nothing |
| 19:38.48 | pupnik_ | 20 mA power drain |
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| 19:39.39 | pupnik_ | md5sum /usr/bin/hildon-desktop |
| 19:39.39 | pupnik_ | 5b5ffaf73ec0122093c7e0e3eac66082 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop |
| 19:39.45 | pupnik_ | pls confirm |
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| 19:41.07 | Gh0sty | any known issues or fixes how to get rid of tar-gnu 1.22-2maemo5 ? |
| 19:41.16 | Gh0sty | post install script is fucked up :( |
| 19:41.25 | pupnik_ | Gh0sty: can you help me |
| 19:41.28 | Gh0sty | and now ofcourse I cannot upgrade nor uninstall the damn thing |
| 19:42.33 | Gh0sty | pupnik_: mine is completely different but i guess that depends ... |
| 19:42.39 | Gh0sty | when you updated last etc etc :P |
| 19:42.50 | Gh0sty | which version you got (did not install the community SSU) |
| 19:42.50 | pupnik_ | ty for info |
| 19:43.16 | pupnik_ | Version: 0.3.39+0m5 |
| 19:43.28 | pupnik_ | what is your version apt-cache show hildon-status-menu |
| 19:43.43 | pupnik_ | hildon-status-menu_0.3.39+0m5_armel.deb |
| 19:44.44 | GAN900 | I guess Stephen King does want to be recognized. . . . |
| 19:44.56 | GAN900 | "I get so tired of reading my own stuff." |
| 19:45.23 | GAN900 | Me: "Ooookaay." /looks at credit card slip "Ah, right." |
| 19:46.14 | pupnik_ | Gh0sty: you can look for the postinst file for the package |
| 19:46.38 | pupnik_ | i think in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foobar.postinst |
| 19:46.53 | pupnik_ | or postrm |
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| 19:47.08 | pupnik_ | rather |
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| 19:58.49 | Gh0sty | ok a bit of looking convinced me that the symlink /usr/bin/gtar was missing |
| 19:58.53 | Gh0sty | so i created it :P |
| 19:58.59 | Gh0sty | and all was well |
| 20:00.39 | pupnik_ | congrats Gh0sty :) |
| 20:00.52 | pupnik_ | 'well' meaning it uninstalled? |
| 20:01.02 | Gh0sty | yes |
| 20:01.36 | pupnik_ | did i help? |
| 20:01.52 | Gh0sty | luky i know some stuff about debian but on a small screen its always a bit more difficult :p |
| 20:02.23 | Gh0sty | well i knew where to find the files but I added an 'force-all' and put in the scripts a set -x to see where it went wrong .. |
| 20:02.24 | pupnik_ | ssh my friend |
| 20:02.52 | Gh0sty | yes thats what I did now :p |
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| 20:31.35 | ZogG | Jaffa, ping |
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| 20:31.42 | ZogG | GAN900, ping |
| 20:32.14 | GAN900 | ZogG, pong? |
| 20:32.26 | ZogG | GAN900 are you mwkn guy? |
| 20:32.33 | GAN900 | Yes |
| 20:33.00 | ZogG | GAN900 i have several news for you |
| 20:33.45 | ZogG | GAN900 mono on n900, .paint on n900 and new vpn client on n900 ( thoug last one is not free so i don't know if it's worth to post) |
| 20:34.35 | ZogG | interesting? |
| 20:35.07 | ZogG | GAN900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=873Ig7-wS9Q&feature=player_embedded |
| 20:35.26 | ZogG | and paint.net as well |
| 20:36.58 | GAN900 | Think we did mono previously. |
| 20:37.06 | GAN900 | MS Paint paint? |
| 20:37.29 | GAN900 | ZogG, you can just @mwkn them on twitter and we'll go through them when we format the issue. |
| 20:37.39 | internetishard | Is gnu screen in the repo? |
| 20:38.26 | nox- | i think i installed it... |
| 20:38.29 | nox- | maybe its in tools |
| 20:38.50 | internetishard | tools? |
| 20:40.49 | nox- | http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen/ |
| 20:41.48 | internetishard | apt-get install screen returns nothing |
| 20:42.47 | nox- | yes you need to add the tools repo |
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| 20:46.16 | ZogG | GAN900 pain.net |
| 20:47.05 | ZogG | http://habreffect.ru/files/0dd/0b27b6fb6/Screenshot-20110410-004616.png |
| 20:47.06 | ZogG | ^ |
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| 20:50.29 | GAN900 | ZogG, I'm at work at the moment, but are you on twitter? |
| 20:50.39 | ZogG | yeah |
| 20:50.47 | ZogG | i;ll mention you and try to tweet |
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| 20:51.04 | GAN900 | ZogG, yeah, just tweet the story title and a URL @mwkn |
| 20:51.19 | GAN900 | We'll pick them up when we compile the issue tomorrow. |
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| 20:52.34 | pupnik_ | meh |
| 20:52.42 | ZogG | GAN900, i'll post to blog and tweet it |
| 20:52.47 | ZogG | as it's in russian |
| 20:52.59 | ZogG | pupnik_ =* |
| 20:53.14 | pupnik_ | while ((!done) && (SDL_WaitEvent(&event))) { process key input } |
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| 20:53.20 | pupnik_ | takes 160mA RST38h |
| 20:53.27 | ZogG | pupnik_ do you love me? |
| 20:53.28 | pupnik_ | oprofile says |
| 20:53.32 | pupnik_ | samples % image name app name symbol name |
| 20:53.36 | pupnik_ | 58043 92.1976 no-vmlinux no-vmlinux /no-vmlinux |
| 20:53.48 | pupnik_ | kernel is busy working on something but it shouldn't be |
| 20:54.06 | pupnik_ | maybe i can force low frequency mode |
| 20:55.11 | GAN900 | ZogG, thanks. |
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| 21:03.33 | pupnik_ | afsdqrwe |
| 21:03.36 | pupnik_ | haha |
| 21:03.37 | pupnik_ | asihfaoishf |
| 21:03.44 | pupnik_ | what fid eht |
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| 21:07.19 | pupnik_ | lag |
| 21:07.29 | pupnik_ | ? |
| 21:07.39 | pupnik_ | hmm it's just me |
| 21:12.44 | GAN900 | Ssh |
| 21:15.59 | pupnik_ | . |
| 21:16.06 | SpeedEvil | ` |
| 21:16.06 | pupnik_ | wtheck |
| 21:24.33 | pupnik_ | how long does a string have to be in order to be copyrightable |
| 21:24.36 | pupnik_ | (c) pupnik, 2011 |
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| 21:31.19 | ruskie | pupnik_, it needs to be creative |
| 21:32.34 | pupnik_ | i assert it was creative to copyright the question as phrased |
| 21:33.02 | pupnik_ | yes i like goedel |
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| 21:35.31 | pupnik_ | hildon-desktoptaking up 7% cpu @ 250mhz now |
| 21:36.23 | pupnik_ | possibly related to starting/quitting sdl application |
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| 21:44.04 | Dhraakellian | oooh... quassel2go |
| 21:44.31 | Dhraakellian | looks a lot nicer than xchat or communi |
| 21:46.25 | merlin1991 | Dhraakellian: quassel2go is full of win |
| 21:47.54 | Dhraakellian | yeah... now to figure out how to slim down the channel list without it affecting the desktop client |
| 21:48.10 | merlin1991 | make a 2nd list |
| 21:48.13 | merlin1991 | and select it |
| 21:48.35 | Dhraakellian | huh... will try that |
| 21:48.54 | merlin1991 | you activate the 2nd list by going to it from the quassel2go menu, and then open that menu again (wich now has only 1 button) and press that one :) |
| 21:49.07 | merlin1991 | (on the n900 ofc) |
| 21:51.29 | Dhraakellian | not quite getting it |
| 21:51.41 | Dhraakellian | will try later |
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| 21:51.50 | Dhraakellian | have stuff to do now |
| 21:52.06 | Dhraakellian | ah. got it |
| 21:52.09 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 21:52.47 | Dhraakellian | now, is there a "next chat" shortcut for 2go |
| 21:52.50 | Dhraakellian | ? |
| 21:52.57 | merlin1991 | I dunno |
| 21:53.11 | merlin1991 | btw as soon as that noki qt contest is over quassel2go will switch to maemo-extras as repo |
| 21:53.21 | Dhraakellian | looks like not |
| 21:53.24 | Dhraakellian | ooooh |
| 21:53.29 | SpeedEvil | I like xchats binding of the zoom buttons |
| 21:53.41 | Dhraakellian | that'll be nice |
| 21:54.02 | Dhraakellian | SpeedEvil: which are? |
| 21:54.19 | SpeedEvil | next/last channel |
| 21:54.29 | Dhraakellian | aaah |
| 21:54.52 | Dhraakellian | zoom/volume hardware buttons |
| 21:55.03 | pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: is there a vmlinux file for stock kernel that i can use to see what parts of kernel/sys are taking up cpu time? |
| 21:55.11 | pupnik_ | with oprofile |
| 21:55.20 | pupnik_ | i just get no-vmlinux readings here |
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| 21:57.46 | MohammadAG | GAN900, did you get Portal 2 yet? |
| 21:59.02 | GAN900 | Yes. |
| 21:59.21 | GAN900 | I have this sinking feeling I'm very close to finishing it so I've slowed down. |
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| 22:30.43 | pupnik_ | cowabunga dude |
| 22:34.09 | pupnik_ | yaay shaved off another 20ma |
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| 22:53.32 | BCMM | how can one arrange auto-rotation similar to the phone app when set to "portrait mode", i.e. portrait regardless of phone orientation, but landscape when the kb is open? |
| 22:54.17 | BCMM | i'm over-thinking this... this just reduces to "how can i detect keyboard slide state changes" |
| 22:54.20 | BCMM | (in Qt) |
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| 23:12.03 | weed37 | hey guys just got a n900 and seem to have issues installing stuff from treminal |
| 23:12.09 | weed37 | terminal* |
| 23:13.07 | FauxFaux | Cool story, bro. |
| 23:13.33 | BCMM | apparently apt-get install can cause problems |
| 23:13.38 | BCMM | or is it just apt-get upgrade? |
| 23:14.47 | weed37 | ah install i get error saying i need to be either root or suid |
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| 23:15.36 | wmarone__ | weed37: yeah, to use apt on the commandline you need to install the rootsh package, then type "root" in the terminal |
| 23:15.58 | FauxFaux | BCMM: Afaik it's only upgrade, but sometimes install will attempt to do the upgrade (mine currently wants to install 1000+ dependencies for everything). |
| 23:16.10 | weed37 | apt-get rootsh? |
| 23:16.21 | wmarone__ | weed37: install rootsh via the Application Manager |
| 23:16.29 | BCMM | weed37: no, use HAM |
| 23:16.39 | weed37 | k |
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| 23:16.44 | BCMM | weed37: apt-get is hardly ever teh solution to not being able to run apt-get |
| 23:21.11 | MohammadAG | BCMM, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:21.40 | BCMM | MohammadAG: what about it? |
| 23:21.56 | BCMM | all i know is that that's the best way to kill an ubuntu system :) |
| 23:22.01 | BCMM | (if it's ever actually been used) |
| 23:24.08 | MohammadAG | BCMM, and a maemo system |
| 23:24.22 | BCMM | MohammadAG: what does it do? |
| 23:24.47 | MohammadAG | BCMM, bootloops, at least that's what users said |
| 23:29.38 | BCMM | huh, wonder why |
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| 23:54.57 | sobczyk | hi, I'm trying to install ankiqt900 on n900 using faster application manager and it fails. On inspection I detected that apt-cache search does not find ankiqt900, how come it shows on the initial package manager? |
| 23:55.34 | sobczyk | I might add this package is in extras-devel and I have extras-devel in my repos |
