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| 03:56.38 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to use a more recent qemu with scratchbox? |
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| 04:16.37 | ds3 | anyone know what's the deal with apt-worker constantly spinning its wheels whenever I try to look at something in app manager? |
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| 04:33.26 | Sazpaimon | ds3, do you have extras-testing? |
| 04:33.44 | Sazpaimon | it's usually caused by the giant mass of packages in extras-testing |
| 04:33.52 | Sazpaimon | either disable it or use fapman |
| 04:34.10 | Sazpaimon | or just use commandline like a real man |
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| 04:37.56 | ds3 | Sazpaimon: yes I do |
| 04:40.38 | Sazpaimon | i never use HAM for that reason |
| 04:42.43 | ds3 | let me give FAP another try; I was crashing the earlier versions |
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| 05:36.57 | Sazpaimon | is it possible to have debhelper *on* an N900 |
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| 05:37.31 | psychologe | hello everybady here |
| 05:37.43 | psychologe | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.14 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: yes, why not? |
| 05:38.46 | Sazpaimon | slonopotamus, because it depends on bsdmainutils |
| 05:39.04 | Sazpaimon | which uninstalls busybox |
| 05:39.09 | Sazpaimon | which screws everything up |
| 05:39.36 | Sazpaimon | i could force it, assuming busybox gives the stuff debhelper needs |
| 05:40.30 | slonopotamus | don't uninstall busybox |
| 05:40.48 | Sazpaimon | obviously |
| 05:41.06 | Sazpaimon | hmm, there's a man-db-n900, maybe that'll satisfy debhelper |
| 05:42.47 | slonopotamus | tries to remember how he installed debhelper |
| 05:43.25 | Sazpaimon | I'm installing debhelper7, by the way |
| 05:43.47 | Sazpaimon | i'd also like to remove all of this build packages from the N900 once I'm done |
| 05:43.58 | slonopotamus | debhelper7 == even more fscked up debhelper |
| 05:44.15 | Sazpaimon | this has a compat of 6, so debhelper wont do |
| 05:44.27 | Sazpaimon | though to be honest, ive never had an issue with debhelper7 before |
| 05:45.01 | Sazpaimon | all I need to do is build this one package and transfer it to the sdk box |
| 05:45.14 | Sazpaimon | since the sdk won't compile it, qemu segfaults for whatever reason |
| 05:45.23 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 05:45.47 | Sazpaimon | if there was a way to use a more recent qemu build on scratchbox, maybe then my life would be easier |
| 05:45.54 | psychologe | i want study python ,but i can't find document about python ui for n900 |
| 05:46.39 | Sazpaimon | qemu apparently doesn't like compiling programs that depend on asm |
| 05:46.46 | Sazpaimon | surprise there |
| 05:46.55 | slonopotamus | psycho_oreos: pygtk |
| 05:47.45 | Sazpaimon | rapidly running out of rootfs space... |
| 05:47.50 | slonopotamus | scratchbox isn't qemu, it's some totally patched fork |
| 05:47.53 | Sazpaimon | only 3.5MB left |
| 05:48.08 | Sazpaimon | slonopotamus, yeah, i meant scratchbox |
| 05:48.23 | Sazpaimon | big piece of junk to be honest |
| 05:48.34 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: it is safe to symlink many stuff from /usr/share/ to 2gb partition |
| 05:48.48 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: /usr/share/perl, for ex |
| 05:49.04 | Sazpaimon | doesnt CSSU already do tha |
| 05:49.12 | Sazpaimon | or is that just with python |
| 05:49.34 | slonopotamus | there is some hackery with python, yep |
| 05:50.04 | Sazpaimon | looks like a good deal of perl stuff is already symlinked |
| 05:52.00 | Sazpaimon | okay, looks like i can safely --force-depends debhelper7 |
| 05:53.02 | Sazpaimon | oh hey look at that |
| 05:53.03 | Sazpaimon | find: unrecognized: -exec |
| 05:53.22 | Sazpaimon | thanks busybox |
| 05:53.27 | ruskie | hehe |
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| 05:54.09 | Sazpaimon | busybox: Conflicts: findutils |
| 05:54.13 | Sazpaimon | llllllllllllll |
| 05:54.24 | ruskie | wrong findutils |
| 05:54.35 | ruskie | search for gnu in the repos |
| 05:54.35 | Sazpaimon | findutils-gnu i assume |
| 05:54.52 | ruskie | findutils - metapackage iirc |
| 05:55.05 | ruskie | findutils-gnu or gnu-findutils ought to be there |
| 05:55.08 | Sazpaimon | how do I get apt to shut up about debhelper7 needing man-db |
| 05:55.16 | slonopotamus | hmm, po-debconf gone somewhere |
| 05:55.19 | Sazpaimon | i have man-db-n900 installed which should satisfy it |
| 05:55.51 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: oh no, how you're going to use debhelper without man pages? <sarcasm> |
| 05:56.10 | pupnik_ | wb slonopotamus |
| 05:56.40 | Sazpaimon | slonopotamus, like i said, i have man-db-n900, so that should be sufficient enough |
| 05:56.54 | Sazpaimon | i just need apt to ignore the fact that it needs man-db |
| 05:57.19 | Sazpaimon | because it wont do anything until i "resolve" this |
| 05:57.23 | slonopotamus | pupnik_: i didn't go away :) |
| 05:57.56 | pupnik_ | welcome back into my coneof perception then :) |
| 05:58.40 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 05:58.58 | Sazpaimon | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/equivs here's a good solution |
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| 05:59.34 | Sazpaimon | of course equivs needs debhelper, and not debhelper7 |
| 05:59.41 | Sazpaimon | so in in and of itself has a dependency error |
| 06:00.46 | Sazpaimon | I'll just install equivs on the sdk, and make the packages i need there and transfer them to the N900 |
| 06:01.52 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: did you enable sdk and tools repos? |
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| 06:02.54 | Sazpaimon | slonopotamus, I enabled the sdk repo |
| 06:03.01 | Sazpaimon | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot equivs-build man-db |
| 06:03.02 | Sazpaimon | hostname: cannot set hostname to `--fqdn': Operation not permitted |
| 06:03.05 | Sazpaimon | the hell? |
| 06:03.43 | slonopotamus | busybox hostname doesn't know --fqdn flag |
| 06:03.54 | Sazpaimon | this is on scratchbox |
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| 06:03.56 | slonopotamus | afaik, it has short alternative |
| 06:04.02 | slonopotamus | like, hostname -f |
| 06:04.05 | Sazpaimon | which wont allow you to change the hostname apparently |
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| 06:04.33 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: it doesn't want to change hostname, it wants fully qualified hostname |
| 06:04.39 | krayon | Sazpaimon: I didn't think you could ever change the FQDN in linux using hostname |
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| 06:05.21 | Sazpaimon | so what is scratchbox complaining about |
| 06:05.39 | slonopotamus | busybox hostname doesn'thave --fqdn flag |
| 06:05.52 | slonopotamus | so it thinks you want to set hostname to that string |
| 06:06.12 | Sazpaimon | slonopotamus, but I'm using scratchbox, doesn't that use sh or bash or something |
| 06:06.35 | slonopotamus | okay, sbox hostname doesn't have that flag |
| 06:07.06 | Sazpaimon | so what would be the equivalent, just hostname? |
| 06:07.12 | slonopotamus | fix calling script to use hostname -f |
| 06:07.32 | Sazpaimon | hostname: cannot set hostname to `-f': Operation not permitted |
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| 06:07.47 | Sazpaimon | all hostname has is --help and --version |
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| 06:08.54 | Sazpaimon | i think I just need to install coreutils-gnu on scratchbox |
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| 06:09.49 | Sazpaimon | nope, that doesn't have it |
| 06:12.29 | Sazpaimon | looks like i need to build debian's hostname package |
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| 06:12.43 | Sazpaimon | shouldnt be a biggie, it's pretty small and simple |
| 06:12.57 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: i think you screwed up something. http://dpaste.org/ynGK/ |
| 06:13.02 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: no man-db |
| 06:13.36 | Sazpaimon | slonopotamus, debhelper7 needed man-db |
| 06:13.39 | Sazpaimon | maybe not debhelper |
| 06:14.14 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: repos enabled: extras-*, sdk, tools |
| 06:14.22 | Sazpaimon | wait wait wait |
| 06:14.29 | Sazpaimon | did debhelper get a version bump to 7? |
| 06:14.49 | slonopotamus | that's why i said debhelper7 is fucked up |
| 06:14.56 | Sazpaimon | aksdklas;djas; |
| 06:14.59 | Sazpaimon | when did this happen |
| 06:15.01 | slonopotamus | or i didn't... |
| 06:15.08 | Sazpaimon | when the hell did this happen |
| 06:16.09 | Sazpaimon | february it seems |
| 06:16.19 | Sazpaimon | why does nobody tell me these things |
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| 06:19.25 | slonopotamus_ | meh, network issues |
| 06:20.08 | slonopotamus_ | 3g coverage in subway could be better... |
| 06:20.21 | Sazpaimon | next cevat, autoreconf doenst seem to be supplied by anything |
| 06:20.43 | slonopotamus | it's from autoconf, isn't it? |
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| 06:20.47 | Sazpaimon | oh wait, autoconf DOES have it |
| 06:20.53 | Sazpaimon | so why is this build failing |
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| 06:21.02 | slonopotamus | i think you want build-essentials |
| 06:21.14 | Sazpaimon | bash: /usr/bin/autoreconf: /scratchbox/tools/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 06:21.17 | Sazpaimon | uh |
| 06:21.20 | slonopotamus | some scripts have borked sheband line |
| 06:21.25 | Sazpaimon | ah |
| 06:21.31 | Sazpaimon | i have build-essentials |
| 06:21.51 | slonopotamus | run a sed through /usr/bin and replace "scratchbox/tools" with "usr" |
| 06:21.51 | Sazpaimon | so i need to manually fix these scripts |
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| 06:27.39 | Sazpaimon | suddenly my rootfs went to 100% without me doing anything |
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| 06:29.05 | slonopotamus_ | i strongly recommend moving stuff from /usr/share to 2gb-partition. running out of rootfs is likely to break maemo |
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| 06:32.52 | Sazpaimon | i removed a few unneeded packages that were taking up rootfs space |
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| 06:32.59 | Sazpaimon | that'll put a bandaid on it for now |
| 06:33.14 | Sazpaimon | it's 2AM, i dont want to muck around with the system files |
| 06:33.23 | Sazpaimon | **Error**: You must have autoconf 2.63 or later installed. |
| 06:33.27 | Sazpaimon | :D |
| 06:33.51 | Sazpaimon | of course maemo doesnt supply that version |
| 06:34.56 | Sazpaimon | there's an autoconf in maemo gitorious though |
| 06:34.58 | Sazpaimon | maybe I can use that |
| 06:38.40 | Sazpaimon | okay, that seemed to work, that version of autoconf needs debianutils but screw it, I dont care I'll force it |
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| 06:52.09 | Sazpaimon | needs grep-gnu |
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| 10:56.16 | RST38h | "The US Army has announced that it will soon throw open an Android dev kit allowing apps to be written for use by soldiers on a variety of combat handsets and devices." |
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| 10:56.43 | RST38h | [the real question though is WHETHER THEY WILL HAVE AN APP STORE?] |
| 10:57.21 | psycho_oreos | I don't think the military will work like that internally |
| 10:57.30 | ruskie | they might |
| 10:58.12 | psycho_oreos | military is just like any large company/organisation with trade secrets that are to be kept within the company/organisation itself |
| 10:58.21 | ruskie | not for the actual in-combat gear... but possibly stuff that soldiers can use in their personal time |
| 10:59.11 | ruskie | on their personal kit that is |
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| 11:00.22 | psycho_oreos | you guys ran badblocks -w on N900 whilst its hooked onto computer via mass storage mode? thinking of doing it after getting incredibly slow performance and getting loads of bad blocks through mkfs.vfat |
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| 11:01.55 | ruskie | I'd say using vfat is the main issue really |
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| 11:03.03 | psycho_oreos | well I intend to leave it as vfat or things like camera won't work with exotic filesystems (nice one nokia) |
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| 11:04.00 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, camera works fine with exotic FSes... |
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| 11:04.24 | ruskie | I have ext3(everything else) and ext4(sd) on my n900 |
| 11:04.47 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, o.O it did? I tried ext3 last time and the camera cannot save the captured image |
| 11:04.48 | ruskie | the problem with the camera is that it's locked to needing an actualy mount point to save to... can't be just a dir |
| 11:04.50 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: badblocks doesn't make sens on mmc |
| 11:05.29 | jaska | cant be a bind mount?:) |
| 11:05.29 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: The blocks are not real blocks. If you're seeing errors on MMC, there is no alternative but to get it warranty repaired. |
| 11:05.38 | ruskie | jaska, it could possibly |
| 11:05.40 | ruskie | not sure |
| 11:05.45 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, though according to this thread it seems like it helped: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-50506.html |
| 11:05.47 | SpeedEvil | Though I note that someone has reported swapping the emmc with success |
| 11:05.49 | jaska | havent tested, just sprung to mind |
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| 11:06.26 | ruskie | hmm it only gives me on offer User data and the SD card when I try to change it |
| 11:06.37 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, yeah that I'm not too sure as yet on going about tackling it, the last I recall trying, everytime taking photos it just won't save |
| 11:06.54 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, well I've been using this config ever since I upgraded to 1.3 |
| 11:07.01 | ruskie | which was when... last year... |
| 11:07.13 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: It shouldn't - with a sane implementation ofear leveling in the SD. - who knows though |
| 11:07.26 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: I just made mydocs 4G |
| 11:07.30 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: works for me |
| 11:07.47 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, hmm I don't recall when I last tried using camera with ext3 for mmc, might have been pr1.2 but I can't say for certain |
| 11:08.32 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, the main thing is that /home/user/MyDocs needs to be a mounted FS |
| 11:08.41 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, *shrugs* I'm gonna give badblocks a few run and seeing if I can get better mileage out of my mmc |
| 11:08.58 | SpeedEvil | Hope it works. |
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| 11:09.53 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, yeah I did that :) manually added entry into /etc/fstab declaring it as ext3, though I recall vaguely that every reboot when mmc was stuck as ext3, I kept getting a popup banner about unsupported format or something |
| 11:10.16 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, hope it won't do something evil to my n900 lol, I'm reluctant to hand my n900 into nokia |
| 11:10.38 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, fstab isn't actually used |
| 11:10.51 | ruskie | it gets recreated on each boot |
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| 11:10.59 | ruskie | unless you hammer adjust init scripts |
| 11:11.10 | ruskie | they call a genfstab.awk or something like that |
| 11:11.14 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, nah I think I made it immutable |
| 11:11.20 | ruskie | doesn't really help |
| 11:11.23 | ruskie | it won't be used |
| 11:11.30 | ruskie | mount doesn't actually use it |
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| 11:11.37 | ruskie | because all mounts are done as mount /a /b |
| 11:11.44 | ruskie | so it ignores stuff in fstab |
| 11:11.51 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 11:12.21 | ruskie | I really really need to make my use_fstab fixes get put into cssu |
| 11:12.26 | psycho_oreos | guess I'll have to have a look at it again |
| 11:12.42 | ruskie | you can check User:Ruskie wiki page about it |
| 11:12.49 | ruskie | should help you figure it out a bit more |
| 11:13.57 | ruskie | I seriously loathe the m5 init setup... |
| 11:14.13 | psycho_oreos | oh yeah speaking of making immutable stuff, I really hated how trackerd.conf gets overwritten automatically, all the ignore directories I've set previously are made unignored hence it starts scanning stuff from audiobooks directory and adding them in. Since making that conf file immutable I've been getting sed errors lol |
| 11:14.48 | ruskie | hmm haven't seen that |
| 11:14.56 | ruskie | my ignore dirs were actually ignored all the time |
| 11:14.56 | psycho_oreos | yeah I recall you had a note on making a portion of mmc as ext3 or something like that. I plan to make the entire mmc ext3 |
| 11:15.05 | psycho_oreos | mine wasn't |
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| 11:15.13 | ruskie | I have entire mmc repartitioned |
| 11:15.17 | ruskie | but still split |
| 11:15.23 | ruskie | /home is the biggest |
| 11:15.35 | psycho_oreos | between /home/user and /home/user/MyDocs ? |
| 11:15.41 | ruskie | /opt and a symlink to /home/opt is probably ~2-4G... |
| 11:15.52 | ruskie | and /home/user/MyDocs is 2-4G iirc |
| 11:16.45 | ruskie | /home - 21G ; /opt - 4G ; /home/user/MyDocs - 5G |
| 11:16.50 | ruskie | something along those lines |
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| 11:17.44 | ruskie | rounding errors not counted and FS overhead as well |
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| 11:18.21 | psycho_oreos | I'll look at the guide in a bit afterwards, also reminds me of checking which fs would treat flash memories nicer than others and seeing if they are available for n900 in some form |
| 11:19.09 | ruskie | well anything with journal could potentially cause issues |
| 11:19.38 | psycho_oreos | notably ext3 :D |
| 11:20.08 | psycho_oreos | then again ext3 can support single filesizes over 4G, unlike FAT32 and potentially ext2 |
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| 11:21.46 | ruskie | I thought ext2 doesn't have issue with FS |
| 11:22.00 | ruskie | anyway if running with a kernel that supports ext4 that can be helpful |
| 11:22.24 | psycho_oreos | no, what I meant was that ext2 probably doesn't allow one to store a single file that has a size above 4G |
| 11:22.42 | ruskie | erm I'm rather sure it does |
| 11:22.44 | psycho_oreos | titan's power kernel has ext4 irc |
| 11:23.05 | ruskie | Max file size16 GB - 2 TB |
| 11:23.15 | psycho_oreos | if ext2 does then you have saved me for looking at other FS lol :D |
| 11:23.49 | ruskie | yeah that's ext2 |
| 11:24.10 | ruskie | it depends on the block size... but 16gb is with 1KB block size |
| 11:24.20 | ruskie | 2KB is 256G... after that it's 2TB |
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| 12:04.58 | psycho_oreos | hmm running this badblocks -w on mmc (N900) I guess judging by the speeds reported via gkrellm the mmc performs as fast as class10? :D |
| 12:09.01 | ShadowJK | Class X is minimum sequential write performance on a fresh card. |
| 12:09.34 | ShadowJK | It says nothing about average, maximum or non-sequential access or mixed read/write access |
| 12:09.43 | ShadowJK | not to mention a used card |
| 12:12.10 | liar | is anyone of you running wine (built for x86) on his n900 :)? |
| 12:12.17 | joga | ...how? |
| 12:12.38 | robbiethe1st | You'd be running Wine on top of Qemu |
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| 12:13.11 | joga | sounds blazing fast |
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| 12:14.12 | liar | yeah wine on top of a x86 chroot |
| 12:15.07 | ShadowJK | you can't run x8y chroot on arm |
| 12:15.12 | ShadowJK | x86* |
| 12:15.19 | psycho_oreos | and class rating is reserved for sd -_-'. In terms of linear writing the mmc I suspect performs at similar speeds to topram 32gb class10 microsd |
| 12:15.45 | liar | you can... qemu user mode emulation^^ |
| 12:16.36 | ShadowJK | That's not chroot |
| 12:16.46 | ShadowJK | well.. |
| 12:16.58 | ShadowJK | i guess you'd do both :) |
| 12:17.15 | liar | i do both |
| 12:17.17 | liar | :) |
| 12:17.26 | psycho_oreos | the terminology isn't used quite correctly :p |
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| 12:48.16 | nusse | hello maemo-world |
| 12:48.41 | Spydemon | did someone knows how transfer a binary from scratchbox to N900 ? :-\ |
| 12:48.43 | nusse | does the jabberclient support http-binding? |
| 12:48.54 | nusse | Spydemon: scp? |
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| 12:50.21 | Spydemon | nusse, so i must install ssh on my phone, and connect him to internet ? |
| 12:50.41 | Spydemon | can't i use a easier way ? |
| 12:54.36 | nusse | mount the phone using your desktop and use cp? |
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| 12:55.57 | the_lord | Hi! I'm getting a memory not accessible. unable to save content in the camera app |
| 12:56.19 | the_lord | I've already fsck'ed my MyDocs partition |
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| 13:08.37 | psycho_oreos | Spydemon, you could just use mass storage mode and transfer the binary across from there |
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| 13:23.55 | psycho_oreos | any of you have clues as to which nand it is on N900 (as mmc)? I can see its Toshiba, but is it onenand or just nand? |
| 13:25.04 | SpeedEvil | The MMC is not onenand |
| 13:25.08 | SpeedEvil | it's emmc |
| 13:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* I stepped on my N900, after dropping it to the floor :-(( Rugged quality, still works, but rather scratched frame and case now |
| 13:25.17 | SpeedEvil | This is a mmc card in a wirrd BGA |
| 13:25.24 | SpeedEvil | wierd |
| 13:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 13:25.59 | psycho_oreos | ahh its nand, damn |
| 13:26.17 | SpeedEvil | It's managed NAND. |
| 13:26.23 | SpeedEvil | The onenand is unmanaged |
| 13:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | for the particular build see my highres scans |
| 13:27.18 | psycho_oreos | yeah I don't know whats the difference between that as well, I do recall seeing onenand errors at boot, those must be related to that rootfs |
| 13:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | rootfs is on that 256MB oneNAND |
| 13:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | PoP |
| 13:27.55 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: onenand errors are expected, and should be managed properly by the kernel. |
| 13:28.42 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900:/sys/class/ubi/ubi0# cat bad_peb_count |
| 13:28.42 | SpeedEvil | 1 |
| 13:28.49 | SpeedEvil | For example - my onenand has one bad block |
| 13:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | aah now we're back to that gane |
| 13:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | game :-) |
| 13:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | 0 |
| 13:30.41 | jaska | 0 \o/ |
| 13:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | and 0 |
| 13:30.59 | SpeedEvil | The emmc pretends to be a perfect error-free device. |
| 13:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | always, until it ceases to work |
| 13:31.20 | SpeedEvil | And has no way of signalling to the user that it's about to run out of spare blocks. |
| 13:31.26 | SpeedEvil | At which time random bad stuff happens. |
| 13:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 13:32.37 | trx | 8 o_O |
| 13:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 13:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | I think everything under a few dozen is OK |
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| 13:33.32 | SpeedEvil | reserved_for_bad here is 20 |
| 13:33.43 | SpeedEvil | So I suspect that >20 would be bad |
| 13:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | would need some action to fix |
| 13:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | like new lowlevel formating |
| 13:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | but also would be a sign of pending trouble |
| 13:36.59 | SpeedEvil | http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/Line.do?familyid=7&lineid=900195 |
| 13:37.00 | SpeedEvil | wow |
| 13:37.02 | SpeedEvil | 128G |
| 13:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 13:37.19 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:37.25 | SpeedEvil | did I get confused on B and b |
| 13:37.28 | SpeedEvil | sighs |
| 13:37.40 | SpeedEvil | Oh - no |
| 13:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | nope, that's clearly GBytes |
| 13:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | which means it's up to 4 times we got on N900 now |
| 13:40.06 | GAN900 | Be very, very frightened. |
| 13:40.11 | SpeedEvil | I think in principle it'd be a straight swap. |
| 13:41.51 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: http://xkcd.com/691/ ? |
| 13:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | THOSHIBA THGBM1G8D8EBA12 R76244 JAPAN 0936MBE http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ |
| 13:45.55 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I googled that a while back, and got a store selling them quite cheap |
| 13:46.51 | SpeedEvil | not now though |
| 13:47.49 | crashanddie | hahaha |
| 13:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | I think those are standardized interface and footprint |
| 13:48.05 | crashanddie | One of my devs, not very good with spelling |
| 13:48.24 | crashanddie | Implemented a feature on the VoIP server to track the RTP packets going in and out |
| 13:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | VoIP server? o.O You mean gateway? |
| 13:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | or do you relay? |
| 13:49.32 | crashanddie | "read_write_list_field(cunt_paquet, T_system_voip_paquet_cunt *)" |
| 13:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 13:49.42 | trx | haha |
| 13:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | hail sed |
| 13:50.30 | MohammadAG | hildon has that fyi |
| 13:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | built-in cunts? |
| 13:50.50 | MohammadAG | dbus_cunt, it's the phone app I think |
| 13:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | hihihihi |
| 13:51.04 | MohammadAG | the dbus connection to the phone app is called dbus_cunt |
| 13:51.14 | MohammadAG | I'm guessing cause it's closed source |
| 13:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 13:51.34 | trx | hahaha |
| 13:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | rotfl |
| 13:52.15 | psycho_oreos | thanks for the info guys, I went away on phone call, and now am having to play the catchup mode :) I should probably get myself a supper whilst at it |
| 13:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: wait a minute... |
| 13:52.50 | psycho_oreos | yup? |
| 13:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/pjd/papers/fast10-flash.pdf |
| 13:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | for an extended supper |
| 13:53.41 | psycho_oreos | lol :D |
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| 13:54.49 | psycho_oreos | for that I think I'll need coffee, not ideal at this time of night for me. I'll have a quick scan through and have a good look tomorrow morning |
| 13:54.53 | psycho_oreos | thanks again |
| 13:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | FTL is the main difference between oneNAND and (e)MMC |
| 13:55.57 | MohammadAG | it's a gboolean actually, indicates an active call & screen locked |
| 13:56.00 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/util/hd-dbus.c#line29 |
| 13:56.22 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, thanks, you just gave empirical proof that geeks can't hack their way into closed cunts ;) |
| 13:56.48 | crashanddie | actually, that one is GPL, so it's an open cunt... |
| 13:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 13:56.57 | crashanddie | ok, enough of that, otherwise I'll have to kick myself |
| 13:57.07 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 13:57.09 | psycho_oreos | mmmm making me really hungry ;) |
| 13:57.23 | psycho_oreos | private cunt vs public cunt |
| 13:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | private cunt - LOL |
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| 13:58.08 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, so wait, they can't hack into open ones either? |
| 13:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | you can't hack any cunt. Cunt will hack you |
| 13:58.51 | MohammadAG | this ain't soviet russia :P |
| 13:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | cunts are worst of soviet all over the world |
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| 14:00.22 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, ever seen American Pie? |
| 14:00.43 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, 7 :p |
| 14:00.45 | Khertan1 | hum ... my works adsl is so slow.... 2 hours to get my own qt4.7.2 package |
| 14:00.54 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, nerd gets open pu... "platform" presented to him, and fails before ever getting close. |
| 14:01.01 | Khertan1 | s/works adsl/adsl at work |
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| 14:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | btw look at D5200 p.3 schematics. LOL - 10 data pins (incl CMD and CLK), and some 50 nah 100 GND pins :-P |
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| 14:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | ok, there are another 5 + 4 + 1 pins for different VDD |
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| 14:19.58 | luke-jr | wasn't there a Google Voice module for Maemo? O.o |
| 14:20.31 | ZogG | luke-jr i thik it was |
| 14:20.37 | ZogG | check TMO |
| 14:21.14 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping |
| 14:21.18 | Sazpaimon | of course the build fails while I'm asleep |
| 14:21.23 | luke-jr | yeah, I see it on http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-theonering/ but not in pkg list |
| 14:23.05 | ZogG | luke-jr еÑÑÐºÑ ÑÑÑ ÑÑÑÑеÑÑÑп ÑдÑÑ ÑÑ ÑÑдд Ñ ÐµÑÑÑл |
| 14:23.08 | ZogG | oops |
| 14:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: was this you who considered buying spare speakers? |
| 14:23.18 | luke-jr | no |
| 14:23.18 | ZogG | there was something else as well i think |
| 14:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: you? |
| 14:24.16 | luke-jr | Google Voice Plugin for Conversations and Calls |
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| 14:25.06 | Sazpaimon | of course the damn build fails in my sleep due to rootfs running out of space |
| 14:25.13 | Sazpaimon | i hate building on an N900 |
| 14:25.15 | Sazpaimon | i hate it |
| 14:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
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| 14:27.39 | Sazpaimon | i swear once this gets built the first thing I'm gonna do is nuke build_essenial |
| 14:28.51 | E0x | n900 support microSDHC ? |
| 14:29.18 | jaska | yeah.. i have a 32GB microsdhc in mine |
| 14:29.19 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, jacekowski http://i.imgur.com/SEett.jpg |
| 14:29.26 | E0x | jaska: cool , thx |
| 14:29.37 | jaska | have yet to find microsdxc anywhere tho.. |
| 14:29.44 | jaska | 64 gig+ ones |
| 14:29.51 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, jacekowski http://i.imgur.com/PEp1U.jpg |
| 14:30.00 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i still have chance right/ |
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| 14:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: yes, you're lucky as all 5 electric pads seem OK. You'll need to use epoxy though to fix the rcptcl to main board as the mech support pads are mostly broken |
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| 14:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | the small copper dots are the left over vias, while the copper colored areas on rcptcl are where the pads got off and won't solder |
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| 14:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | rctcl itself seems broken, all 5 pins luckily stuck to PCB main board |
| 14:37.12 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer on second pic you can see pads have a little bit solid and i'll use eproxy or really good glue |
| 14:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | the FPC to daughter board has a weird angle, maybe it's only the photo perspective |
| 14:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | epoxy glue |
| 14:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | plug in a waxed USB plug while gluing |
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| 14:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | to avoid the epoxy glue clogs the receptacle |
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| 14:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | wax it to avoid the plug getting glued permanently into receptacle |
| 14:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | or you actually dare using a thru-hole type receptacle and drill holes to the mainboard |
| 14:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | for the mech supports only!! |
| 14:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | NOT for the electrical 5 pins |
| 14:42.30 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer ÑÑÑ ÑÑдд Ð¿Ð´Ð³Ñ Ñе |
| 14:42.35 | ZogG | meh i'll glue it |
| 14:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
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| 14:42.40 | ZogG | waiting for connector part i ordered |
| 14:43.51 | pupnik_ | DocScrutinizer: I |
| 14:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | for increased ruggedness you may consider soldering or gluing a support metal sheet in top of next shielding can and USB rcptcl |
| 14:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: I got mine from ownta, all ok |
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| 14:45.25 | pupnik_ | are they a different build-type that happens to fit? |
| 14:46.17 | pupnik_ | do they look like the speakers pictures on their website, or the speakers pictured in my photos |
| 14:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | I got 4 like those N81(?) that look like the ones in my N900 (ordered 4 actually) - plus one that looks like the picture they got on the N900 offer |
| 14:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | dunno why they still keep the wrong photo for the N900 speakers |
| 14:48.02 | pupnik_ | ok ty |
| 14:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | even less I know why they sent me one of those speakers for free |
| 14:48.36 | pupnik_ | perhaps they sent it because of the email you sent |
| 14:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes, probably |
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| 14:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, my err report(?) is on their product page now |
| 14:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | the link to correct picture doesn't work anymore |
| 14:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | but the N81(?) speaker is still there |
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| 14:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: what's with your FPC to daughter board? why does it look like 105° instead of 90° ? |
| 14:53.39 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer ? |
| 14:54.06 | ZogG | FPS? |
| 14:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | the "ribbon" left of USB pads |
| 14:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | flat plastic connector |
| 14:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | the brown flimsy thing |
| 14:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | take care of it! |
| 14:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | if it breaks there's no way to fix it |
| 14:55.07 | ZogG | ×××©× ××××ק××× ××ק ××ר×SD? |
| 14:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 14:55.13 | ZogG | that connect microSD? |
| 14:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 14:55.23 | ZogG | oh |
| 14:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | and camera flash LED |
| 14:55.26 | ZogG | it's ok |
| 14:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's ill-looking on those photos |
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| 14:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's just perspectivw |
| 14:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's just perspective |
| 14:57.22 | ZogG | it's not straigh but it's on it's plcae for sure |
| 14:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, you'll 'only' lose microSD and flashlight |
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| 15:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's yous a bit bent, and that makes the photo look weird |
| 15:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | s/yous/just/ |
| 15:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: anyway good luck! |
| 15:03.23 | ZogG | thanx |
| 15:03.34 | ZogG | i'll be back! tadadaaa |
| 15:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | make sure you thoroughly clean the areas to glue, with trichlor and a brush or sth |
| 15:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | scratch the green areas |
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| 15:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | or use sandpaper |
| 15:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | also scratch the silver areas |
| 15:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | remove the broken loose contact pins from PCB with a hot iron first of all. You don't want them around when soldering the new rctcl |
| 15:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | use electronic(!!) flux for soldering |
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| 15:10.25 | ZogG | i'll give my friend he knows what to do... i hope =) |
| 15:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | tape a plastic or wood stick (lolly, icecream...) to main and daughter PCB, to protect the FPC |
| 15:13.13 | DocScrutinizer | don't worry about the (scotch) tape, the PCBs won't mind pulling it off again |
| 15:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | also protect lens of camera with a patch of sticky tape |
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| 15:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | and of course you want to remove the PCB from lower half of housing |
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| 15:27.55 | ZogG | http://i.imgur.com/Uyhxg.jpg |
| 15:28.01 | ZogG | pray =) |
| 15:28.24 | nid0 | 5 people failed |
| 15:29.07 | ZogG | they would crash |
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| 16:06.05 | OkropNick | I need external power bank for N900. Is it 3.7V enough to charge it? |
| 16:07.02 | slonopotamus | doubt. 5V should be fine (that's what usb has, isn't it?) |
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| 16:10.10 | OkropNick | I don't know, that's why I am asking... |
| 16:11.10 | Venemo | OkropNick, the battery is 3.7V |
| 16:11.53 | OkropNick | yes, but if I would like to charge it from battery power bank - it should have 5V at output? |
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| 16:14.27 | ShadowJK | The charger chip needs something like 4.6V to function, I believe |
| 16:15.29 | OkropNick | Ok, thanks |
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| 16:20.59 | ShadowJK | But most sensible external power banks actually have a boost converter to boost their internal 3.7V (nominal) battery to 5V |
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| 16:47.18 | Sazpaimon | oh my god this program is *still* building |
| 16:47.27 | Sazpaimon | 8 hours later |
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| 16:48.04 | Sazpaimon | remind me never to build anything for an N900 *on* an N900 ever again |
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| 16:49.20 | wmarone__ | yeah it's not the fastest thing in the world |
| 16:49.37 | wmarone__ | though I suspect your big killer is IO |
| 16:50.02 | ZogG | Sazpaimon lol |
| 16:50.09 | ZogG | compiling=) |
| 16:50.23 | Sazpaimon | wmarone__, yeah i tried ocing to 1100 and it didn't change the speed at all |
| 16:50.25 | Sazpaimon | it just got hotter |
| 16:50.35 | wmarone__ | yeah |
| 16:50.55 | wmarone__ | it probably builds faster, but you just spend all the time waiting on disk IO |
| 16:51.06 | Sazpaimon | it probably would have taken less time to fix scratchbox |
| 16:52.55 | Sazpaimon | though i dont think scratchbox's qemu can compile asm very well |
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| 16:55.20 | Sazpaimon | i think it's been building the same 10 files over and over again |
| 16:55.29 | Sazpaimon | sometimes I hate debian's build process |
| 16:55.53 | Sazpaimon | why does it recompile a program from scratch for a different package |
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| 16:56.21 | Sazpaimon | the .o files don't change between builds, its mostly just configure options |
| 16:56.44 | slonopotamus | use ccache? |
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| 16:58.20 | slonopotamus | or try updating sbox qemu to newer one |
| 16:58.36 | Sazpaimon | i asked earlier if that can be done and I never got a response |
| 16:58.49 | slonopotamus | why not? |
| 16:59.07 | Sazpaimon | because i was told before that scratchbox's qemu is hacked up |
| 16:59.10 | Sazpaimon | can i just replace the qemu-arm-sb with a newer qemu-arm? |
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| 16:59.33 | slonopotamus | you can try at least. i guess it should work |
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| 17:07.42 | slonopotamus | from my experiments, most stable arm emulation is in qemu-0.12.{4,5} currently |
| 17:08.08 | slonopotamus | 0.13.x and 0.14.x segfault from time to time |
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| 17:13.36 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: wait, you said you have troubles compiling asm. doesn't sbox use i386 gcc/binutils? |
| 17:13.52 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: i mean, crosscompiler |
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| 18:15.40 | 50UAAK1V7 | My charger port broke again |
| 18:15.56 | 50UAAK1V7 | Is it safe to charge the BL-5J with a N97 mini? |
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| 18:21.44 | ZogG | 50UAAK1V7 i think so |
| 18:21.53 | ZogG | was it break physicly? |
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| 18:38.32 | frals | lcuk: replied to your email... for some reason exchange deemed it worthy of the junk mail folder :P |
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| 18:41.24 | lcuk | frals, because there was no bodytext |
| 18:41.32 | frals | ya |
| 18:42.01 | lcuk | haven't seen your reply though yet lol |
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| 18:43.31 | penguinbait | elsie :) |
| 18:43.36 | penguinbait | UK |
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| 18:44.22 | lcuk | ello penguinbait \o |
| 18:44.34 | penguinbait | I can't look at the word luck without my dyslexia kicking in |
| 18:45.10 | frals | le coq |
| 18:45.10 | lcuk | I do hope luck is on my side :) |
| 18:45.46 | frals | so when are you coming to HEL so we can go to hemingways lcuk? |
| 18:45.53 | lcuk | :D frals, did you see qole's jacket at the conference? |
| 18:46.05 | frals | nope |
| 18:46.13 | penguinbait | pimp constume? |
| 18:46.14 | frals | better make it soon or else none will be here to join you ;) |
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| 18:46.19 | lcuk | penguinbait, no, simpler |
| 18:46.27 | lcuk | he got a nice tweet jacket and cap |
| 18:47.31 | lcuk | frals, I will bring my n900 on tour asap |
| 18:47.37 | penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/thegang.jpg |
| 18:47.44 | lcuk | Sampo keeps tempting me by reminding about the pizza |
| 18:47.58 | lcuk | wants a kebab from there |
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| 18:48.49 | penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/pimp-qole.jpg |
| 18:49.19 | frals | lol |
| 18:49.52 | penguinbait | http://penguinbait.com/qgilcouncil.jpg |
| 18:49.58 | penguinbait | thats the one I was looking for |
| 18:50.01 | 50UAAK1V7 | ZogG: It didn't get hot, has the same voltage and same connectors. Only issue was I had to run ntpd -d to fix the time |
| 18:50.42 | penguinbait | or the collect all 6 pic - http://penguinbait.com/collectall6.jpg |
| 18:51.03 | penguinbait | the evil penguin overlord |
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| 18:53.16 | penguinbait | ah the good ole days |
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| 18:56.09 | lcuk | penguinbait, we never did choose a mascot |
| 18:56.13 | lcuk | or did we? |
| 18:56.25 | penguinbait | don't think so |
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| 18:59.27 | penguinbait | I say we use qgil with that pimp costume, http://penguinbait.com/pimp-quim.jpg |
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| 19:01.01 | Venemo | penguinbait, these pics are LOL |
| 19:04.20 | penguinbait | It took me a few to find them on talk, its hard to believe its been almost 3 years since then |
| 19:06.06 | GAN900 | qole tweed was rockin' |
| 19:06.18 | GAN900 | s/qole/qole's/ |
| 19:07.01 | penguinbait | more than this http://penguinbait.com/pimp-ga.jpg |
| 19:07.08 | penguinbait | ? |
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| 19:08.49 | pupnik_ | very funny |
| 19:09.43 | pupnik_ | i need an outfit like that |
| 19:09.57 | Khertan | still no leaked pictures of the n950 ? |
| 19:10.11 | pupnik_ | nice job penguinbait |
| 19:11.15 | penguinbait | don't forget the evil pb http://penguinbait.com/evil-pb.jpg |
| 19:15.38 | pupnik_ | what's an image hosting service that accepts tiny gifs? |
| 19:16.01 | pupnik_ | nice :D |
| 19:16.09 | GAN900 | penguibait, much classier. |
| 19:16.42 | Khertan | http://www.meegotabletcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nokia-meego.jpg |
| 19:17.54 | Khertan | http://img2.generation-nt.com/nokia-n9-leak-01_090258018E00672861.jpg <<< the "rumored" n9 didn't look so bad |
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| 19:18.24 | mece | Khertan, unfortunately that one got cancelled |
| 19:18.46 | mece | or so I hear. |
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| 19:23.29 | zakkkkmm | anyone know why in maemo,when i send a sms message, it sends it twice to the person? |
| 19:27.12 | Khertan | mece: yep i hear that too. Probably a microsoft conflict |
| 19:27.37 | Khertan | zakkkkmm: because your phone operator sucks |
| 19:27.51 | Khertan | zakkkkmm: there is no reason it send it twice |
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| 19:27.59 | zakkkkmm | it didnt happen with other phones. |
| 19:28.05 | zakkkkmm | this is my 3rd phone |
| 19:28.08 | mece | Khertan, well regardless, It's bad for people who want a proper device. Rumors strongly suggest no keyboard for N950 :/ |
| 19:28.17 | Khertan | mece: ?hu? |
| 19:28.20 | mece | zakkkkmm, peculiar. |
| 19:28.20 | trx | maybe you press "send" twice? |
| 19:28.23 | Khertan | mece: seriously ... |
| 19:28.30 | SpeedEvil | Works for me. (single SMSs) |
| 19:28.33 | mece | Khertan, 's what I hear. |
| 19:28.40 | zakkkkmm | just once, it happening to all my sms messages. |
| 19:28.49 | SpeedEvil | stabs the messenger. |
| 19:28.53 | mece | LOL |
| 19:29.29 | Khertan | mece: it ll a stupid decision, or maybe a intelligent one if they don't want meego to eat their ms phone |
| 19:29.41 | Khertan | sales |
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| 19:33.40 | Sazpaimon | uh, why does fakeroot segfault on my n900 |
| 19:34.15 | GAN900 | Rumors are probably pretty meaningless at this point. |
| 19:34.21 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 19:34.27 | Khertan | GAN900: true |
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| 19:35.38 | penguinbait | I thought LG made the rumor? |
| 19:36.20 | Khertan | noone want to compile vim with +python for n900 ? |
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| 19:39.20 | mece | Khertan, perhaps. Might also be this one: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/tablet_14.jpg |
| 19:39.38 | mece | Khertan, regarding meaningless rumors... |
| 19:40.24 | Khertan | mece: we'll be funny to see people using that for phoning |
| 19:40.28 | Khertan | ... must go on |
| 19:40.29 | Khertan | bye |
| 19:40.37 | mece | hehe |
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| 19:54.37 | Sazpaimon | Khertan, it'd basically be like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhk_OL-5aVo |
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| 20:08.00 | MohammadAG | ~seen javispedro |
| 20:08.09 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 22h 39m 10s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'. |
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| 20:09.36 | infobot | i haven't seen 'stephenelop', thomasjfox |
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| 20:24.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
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| 20:36.23 | kwtm | preparing for PR 1.3.3.7. Is it a " |
| 20:36.47 | kwtm | preparing for PR 1.3.3.7. Is it a "combined Fiasco image" reflash, just like updating from PR 1.2 to PR 1.3? Do I need to reflash eMMC? |
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| 20:44.16 | pupnik_ | improved bartender http://m.uploadedit.com/b92/3568088.gif |
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| 21:04.10 | Spydemon | I'm trying to build an apps on my computer for my N900, so I use sbox, it is configured on FREMANTLE_X86, it is good, isn't it ? |
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| 21:05.37 | merlin1991 | Spydemon: FREMANTLE_X86 means you can test it on the pc, but that won't run on the device |
| 21:05.40 | Spydemon | I ask because gcc make me ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), wich aren't the binary used by the N900's processor :-( |
| 21:05.52 | Spydemon | ahhh ok ^^ |
| 21:05.55 | MohammadAG | sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL |
| 21:05.58 | merlin1991 | FREMANTLE_ARMEL or however it's called |
| 21:06.09 | merlin1991 | hehe MohammadAG you did beat me :P |
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| 21:06.28 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, crack your knuckles, you might have to write a changelog tonight or tomorrow |
| 21:06.32 | lcuk | \o MohammadAG |
| 21:06.34 | merlin1991 | fu |
| 21:06.37 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 21:06.43 | MohammadAG | hi lcuk |
| 21:06.45 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, :P |
| 21:06.55 | merlin1991 | and o hi lcuk :D |
| 21:07.12 | MohammadAG | it's o hai, not o hi |
| 21:07.33 | MohammadAG | sends merlin1991 a cheezburger for dummies book |
| 21:07.39 | merlin1991 | hai == shark == evil |
| 21:07.40 | merlin1991 | --> hi |
| 21:07.53 | merlin1991 | (at least in finnish and german) |
| 21:08.12 | merlin1991 | can I haz noodlez? |
| 21:09.52 | MohammadAG | methinks merlin1991 should haz moar eggsamples |
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| 21:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | starts eggsell |
| 21:31.11 | MohammadAG | Segmentation Fault |
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| 21:33.19 | merlin1991 | SWKOTOR segfaults all the time for me atm |
| 21:34.40 | Spydemon | printf() doesn't work on N900 ? I test a Hello world, the program seems to be well executed, but text isn't print into the terminal |
| 21:35.15 | nox- | tried running it from xterm? |
| 21:36.46 | Spydemon | yes |
| 21:37.14 | nox- | huh |
| 21:38.00 | nox- | forgot to include stdio.h? |
| 21:38.40 | Spydemon | nope, library is included |
| 21:39.03 | nox- | that's in C? |
| 21:39.14 | Spydemon | yes, compiled by gcc |
| 21:39.32 | MohammadAG | nope, printf works fine |
| 21:39.34 | nox- | weird |
| 21:40.12 | nox- | Spydemon, crosscompiled? |
| 21:40.27 | Spydemon | yes |
| 21:40.50 | Spydemon | i use FREEMANTLE_ARMEL |
| 21:40.52 | nox- | ah might be something wrong there... |
| 21:41.07 | nox- | dunno |
| 21:41.28 | Spydemon | with cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 |
| 21:41.55 | Spydemon | yes may be |
| 21:42.09 | Spydemon | but the app seem to be good executed |
| 21:42.27 | nox- | so other lib fns work just not stdio? |
| 21:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | strace hello-world |
| 21:43.13 | nox- | *nod* |
| 21:44.22 | Spydemon | nox-, I have just tested stdio ^^ |
| 21:44.42 | nox- | so what do you mean by executed well? |
| 21:45.31 | nox- | but yeah try the strace |
| 21:45.35 | Spydemon | when I execute the app in xterm, I have no error during execution |
| 21:45.54 | nox- | ah |
| 21:46.16 | Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, Sorry, I must learn how work strace before I'm able to use this command :-\ |
| 21:46.43 | nox- | that just will print the syscalls |
| 21:47.43 | nox- | so you'll see if write() ever gets called etc |
| 21:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | install strace - then do >>strace path/to/hello-world |
| 21:48.01 | Spydemon | ok |
| 21:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | you'll see for sure if the prog gets executed or not |
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| 21:56.29 | Spydemon | tsss, I'm updating my depots, and it isn't fast -__-" |
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| 21:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | strace is in tools repo |
| 21:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 22:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/strace/ |
| 22:01.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
| 22:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace |
| 22:04.57 | Spydemon | ok thanks, i must add Fremantle SDK tools free armel to my depot list first |
| 22:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install |
| 22:14.12 | Sazpaimon | is it possible to modify RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin to boot in qemu |
| 22:14.22 | Sazpaimon | i dont want to download the entire QT sdk to get the maemo nand image |
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| 22:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | errr? |
| 22:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | flasher can extract parts from RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 22:24.49 | MohammadAG | and you can mount rootfs.jffs2 |
| 22:25.02 | MohammadAG | that'll probably take more time to figure out than downloading the sDK |
| 22:25.29 | Spydemon | updating depots are for you also so long ? :-\ |
| 22:25.48 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=3 |
| 22:25.49 | MohammadAG | enjoy |
| 22:26.09 | Spydemon | the update take ten minutes :x |
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| 22:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | yes, sometimes |
| 22:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | usually 5 |
| 22:28.53 | Spydemon | it's bad ^^ |
| 22:29.32 | Spydemon | so, i've strace installed, but it wasn't in tools repo |
| 22:29.40 | Spydemon | even with your script |
| 22:29.50 | Spydemon | so I installed the apt-get version |
| 22:30.33 | Spydemon | but this version seems to work different |
| 22:31.12 | Spydemon | "strace hw" return : strace hw command not found |
| 22:36.37 | Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, yeah i ran unpack on the bin and it gave me a bunch of files |
| 22:36.49 | Sazpaimon | nothing looks like anything qemu likes |
| 22:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think you could run a armel kernel under qemu |
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| 22:38.23 | Sazpaimon | are you sure about that? |
| 22:38.25 | jacekowski | why not? |
| 22:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | at least not *this* kernel |
| 22:38.30 | Sazpaimon | im pretty sure you could |
| 22:38.42 | jacekowski | kernel isn't a problem |
| 22:38.50 | jacekowski | qemu emulaton of N900 is quite decent |
| 22:38.59 | jacekowski | you need special nolo |
| 22:40.26 | Sazpaimon | i extracted everything in the bin, but I cant figure out what the mtdblock would be |
| 22:40.33 | jacekowski | ah |
| 22:40.39 | jacekowski | i just read back that stuff |
| 22:40.43 | jacekowski | that's not going to work |
| 22:41.01 | jacekowski | unless you spend lot of time making qemu friendly image first |
| 22:41.04 | Sazpaimon | so I *need* to download the entire qt sdk just to get the n900 nand image? |
| 22:41.11 | jacekowski | no |
| 22:41.16 | jacekowski | you can unpack that |
| 22:41.33 | Sazpaimon | so why cant i boot that in qemu? |
| 22:41.42 | jacekowski | because NOLO will not boot in qemu |
| 22:41.59 | jacekowski | because qemu can't emulate features that N900 NOLO requires |
| 22:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant by "*this* kernel" |
| 22:42.40 | Sazpaimon | i thought that was added recently |
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| 22:42.45 | jacekowski | well, kernel would boot |
| 22:42.56 | jacekowski | if you can convince nolo to boot it |
| 22:43.40 | Sazpaimon | my qemu 0.14.50 does have an N900 device setting, I see references to nolo in the source |
| 22:44.01 | jacekowski | there is special modified version of nolo |
| 22:44.04 | jacekowski | that runs in qemu |
| 22:44.28 | Sazpaimon | and i take it it isn't supported by the N900 image |
| 22:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall some meego guys made NOLO run in qemu? |
| 22:44.41 | jacekowski | nokia did |
| 22:44.45 | jacekowski | there is ready made meego image |
| 22:44.53 | jacekowski | with modified nolo and everything you need |
| 22:45.06 | jacekowski | it has big part of cmt support stripped out |
| 22:45.11 | jacekowski | and some other things |
| 22:45.27 | jacekowski | but it is quite a lot smaller |
| 22:45.44 | timeless_w7ip | we've defintely had system-qemu |
| 22:45.57 | timeless_w7ip | but the performance is quite painful |
| 22:45.58 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 22:45.59 | timeless_w7ip | so i wouldn't |
| 22:46.01 | jacekowski | there is image for that |
| 22:46.08 | Sazpaimon | so like, what in this image do I need to feed to qemu |
| 22:46.23 | jacekowski | but it's slightly different than image to run on phone |
| 22:46.33 | jacekowski | i'm not sure about powervr emulation |
| 22:46.38 | jacekowski | and if maemo requires it |
| 22:46.45 | MohammadAG | Sazpaimon, what do you want to do actually |
| 22:46.45 | Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, strace says that I've a Exec format error |
| 22:47.01 | Sazpaimon | http://pastie.org/1817250 here's basically everything I extracted from the image |
| 22:47.12 | Spydemon | so, it's still an error ^^ |
| 22:47.14 | jacekowski | Spydemon: really, if you don't know what to do then just download qt sdk |
| 22:47.16 | MohammadAG | you want the Maemo SDK with the "emulator"? |
| 22:47.23 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: no |
| 22:47.30 | MohammadAG | the Qt SDK doesn't use qemu jacekowski |
| 22:47.32 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: he want just the emulator without sdk |
| 22:47.35 | MohammadAG | so I'm not sure what he wants |
| 22:47.36 | jacekowski | ahm |
| 22:47.46 | Sazpaimon | MohammadAG, there are some programs I'm trying to compile that wont work on the userland qemu |
| 22:47.56 | MohammadAG | the Qt SDK has a "simulator", a shitty x86 target with a device wrapping the app window |
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| 22:48.04 | Sazpaimon | qemu just dies during compilation no matter what |
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| 22:48.08 | MohammadAG | and some options that can fake gps position etc |
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| 22:48.17 | Sazpaimon | so i figure I'll try it with the system qemu and see if it works |
| 22:48.32 | jacekowski | Sazpaimon: well, as MohammadAG said, no option for system-qemu for maemo |
| 22:48.34 | Spydemon | jacekowski, i want juste exec a hello world program for the moment, not create a awesome program with GUI xD |
| 22:48.53 | Sazpaimon | jacekowski, seriously? so my only other option is compile on the device? |
| 22:48.53 | MohammadAG | then get scratchbox |
| 22:48.54 | Spydemon | *just |
| 22:49.04 | jacekowski | scratchbox |
| 22:49.06 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 22:49.06 | infobot | methinks maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 22:49.16 | jacekowski | Spydemon: ehh, that wasn't for you |
| 22:49.39 | jacekowski | Spydemon: what is the problem you have? |
| 22:49.40 | MohammadAG | You don't need the QtSDK for a C app |
| 22:49.44 | Sazpaimon | jacekowski, like I said, qemu isn't working |
| 22:49.50 | MohammadAG | you don't even need nokia-binaries |
| 22:49.55 | Sazpaimon | during compilation in scratchbox, qemu dies |
| 22:50.12 | jacekowski | Sazpaimon: as in what error message |
| 22:50.33 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.com/8cnFaWff |
| 22:50.33 | jacekowski | Spydemon: hmm, do you have binformat misc support? |
| 22:50.43 | Sazpaimon | i reported it to the qemu guys, they already know about it |
| 22:50.54 | Sazpaimon | [13:38] <pm215> Sazpaimon: that is an old-style cp15 data barrier, which qemu appears to not support in user mode |
| 22:50.57 | Spydemon | i dont know that jacekowski, i'll check |
| 22:51.16 | Sazpaimon | i also attempted it with qemu 0.14.50 in scratchbox, same deal |
| 22:51.35 | jacekowski | Sazpaimon: paste bit more context |
| 22:52.07 | Sazpaimon | hold on then, let me re run make |
| 22:52.13 | jacekowski | Sazpaimon: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/43797/ |
| 22:52.18 | jacekowski | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/77092 |
| 22:52.22 | jacekowski | solution |
| 22:52.39 | Sazpaimon | so i need to patch and rebuild qemu |
| 22:52.45 | Sazpaimon | okay, I can do that |
| 22:52.46 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 22:52.59 | Sazpaimon | hopefully this works on 0.14.50 |
| 22:53.06 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 22:53.09 | Sazpaimon | no wait, i can't patch that version, it doesnt work with scratchbox |
| 22:53.09 | jacekowski | i'm going to sleep |
| 22:53.19 | jacekowski | i have to go to london village tomorrow |
| 22:53.27 | Sazpaimon | where is scratchbox's hacked up qemu source |
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| 22:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | Spydemon: you probably got a wrong target? do >>file path/to/hello-world |
| 22:59.56 | pupnik | http://m.uploadedit.com/b92/9067379.jpg |
| 23:00.05 | Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, yes, i do strace hl, instead of strace ./hl |
| 23:00.15 | Spydemon | now it's good |
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| 23:06.06 | Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, it's working now :p |
| 23:07.14 | Spydemon | in sbox, i've just choose to "install files on to the target" :-\ |
| 23:17.51 | Spydemon | i'll go to bed, it's late now in France :p |
| 23:18.40 | Spydemon | thanks DocScrutinizer and jacekowski for your help :-) |
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