IRC log for #maemo on 20110418

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11:15.03DocScrutinizer~seen damion2
11:15.04aptdamion2 <~damiony@gilmore.trap.me.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 432d 12h 58m 5s ago, saying: 'chun1: I don't know of an app but I think it's technically possible to write that'.
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11:15.55aptI'm on 13 channels: #maemo/390, #wowace/3, #openmoko-cdevel/3, #openmoko/3, #oe/2, #wowuidev/2, #sc2mapster/2, #linuxpakistan/1, #debian-bots/1, #openezx/1, #debian-france/1, #openjtag/1
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11:18.57OkropNickDoes anybody used it? http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html
11:22.47ruskieorospakr, try searching through tmo... plenty of posts about it
11:22.56ShadowJKit's nicer to type on thicker N900
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11:35.28chem|stMohammadAG: pls come again, can't scroll back that far... (no logs...)
11:35.36chem|sthey DocScrutinizer
11:36.02DocScrutinizerhey chem|st
11:38.41DocScrutinizerchem|st: how to nuke that friggin "bada rocks" tag on all tmo threads that don't mention bada at all?
11:39.14chem|sterm no nuke but from DB side... afair
11:39.22TermanaWhy would you want to do that? Bada rocks! I put that there
11:39.24chem|stI will have a look
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11:39.33Termana/sarcasm
11:39.36chem|st~punch Termana
11:39.36aptACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Termana right on the nose
11:39.44Termana:p
11:39.49chem|st;)
11:41.02DocScrutinizer~botsnack
11:41.02aptaw, gee, DocScrutinizer
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11:42.53DocScrutinizerchem|st: not that it matters that much - for me the tags could vanish in oblivion, uuterly useless feature
11:43.14chem|sttrue
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11:44.07chem|stSleepAnalyser
11:44.08chem|st(442296 downloads)
11:44.12chem|stwtf?
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11:47.07SpeedEvilI question some of the download stats.
11:47.12SpeedEvilThey seemed rather broken.
11:47.59chem|stand how come the KFZcheck-extras is coming that way in extras, missleading things...
11:52.06DocScrutinizerI'm worried about infobot
11:53.46robbiethe1stHm, would it be wrong to put a "wget http://my-website.com/installCounter.php?ver=1.2" into my program's pre-install shell commands?
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11:54.01robbiethe1stFor, you know, accurately counting installs?
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12:01.52Corsacrobbiethe1st: looks like a huge privacy issue to me
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12:04.53DocScrutinizerCorsac: nevertheless that's what virtually every webpage does with those 1pix tag "images"
12:05.18robbiethe1stWhich gets your IP and any cookies for that site
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12:06.03CorsacDocScrutinizer: a webpage you're visiting and an application you're installing aren't the same thing for me
12:06.17DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: I'd open a decent webpage in browser
12:06.41robbiethe1stAlright, that sounds like a good idea - And, it'd mean I could show the changelog!
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12:06.52DocScrutinizerexactly
12:06.53robbiethe1stWhat's the command for opening a microB window?
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12:07.09DocScrutinizercheck dbus cmds (wiki phonecontrol)
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12:07.59robbiethe1stPerhaps we should call this the Google approach: Instead of doing something shady and being labled 'evil', roll it into a 'feature'!
12:08.37ruskieno into a BETA!
12:09.10DocScrutinizerwell, there's nothing wrong with that - except best-practice violations for installation
12:10.05DocScrutinizerbut there are packages that are worse (*#-ena for example ;-P)
12:10.07robbiethe1stHm, do you know if there's a way to tell if the program's being installed via a graphical utility vs a command line one? Perhaps some X-server variable set?
12:10.23DocScrutinizernot afaik
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12:10.52DocScrutinizeri2c-tools really bad
12:11.09ruskietechnically you should see DISPLAY in env
12:11.19ruskieatleast if from a terminal
12:11.34ruskiewouldn't know if a graphical utility would provide the same info
12:11.40DocScrutinizeropens a requester *on phone X* you need to accept. Takes a while to notice why your apt-get via wlan-ssh stalls
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12:12.20ruskiessh doesn't have DISPLAY set
12:12.29ruskieeven if X is running on whatever
12:12.52robbiethe1stYea... In my case, then, I'll just set the webpage to launch and ignore it. Install will continue, and worst case there'll be an extra window around
12:13.10DocScrutinizerexactly
12:13.18DocScrutinizernot really clean but bearable
12:13.45BCMMam i right in saying that all of: the reboot command, certain packages in HAM, and repeatedly killing hildon-desktop can cause reboot but not shutdowns?
12:13.59DocScrutinizersigh! [2011-04-18 14:13:29] [Notify] infobot ist offline (irc.freenode.org).
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12:15.39chem|stBCMM: aslong as your battery is alive...
12:17.03chem|stBCMM: well, packages could do a shutdown
12:17.15chem|stbut for what reason?
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12:18.16chem|stthe watchdog does an emergency reboot and increases a failsafe counter, reboot does a reboot and packages do whatever they want...
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13:52.28GAN900Tracking down noise on the power lines is an unfortunate sort of task.
13:52.36ZogGDocScrutinizer, hey buddy
13:54.24ZogG=(
13:54.33ZogGslaps DocScrutinizer
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13:57.31ZogGand kerio double kick DocScrutinizer
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13:59.41plr_hey how to setup maemo runtime for qemu?
14:00.11plr_I don't have the runtime installed and not sure how to get it
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14:09.49ZogGDocScrutinizer you are definitely script
14:11.42ZogGjacekowski, ping
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14:56.11liarhm i've got fork() working. but chroot still refuses to work...
15:05.53pupnikliar: you're building qemu for n900?
15:07.05liarpupnik: yes because the one in the repos does not work for me and i couldn't find the patches which are used by that version
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15:07.25pupnik:|
15:08.07liari think qemu isn't the fault anymore
15:08.28pupnikperhaps you need a more complete bash and not just busybox?
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15:09.42liarmaybe,... but i suspect the problem sits elsewhere
15:10.36pupnikbrain isn't telling me anything
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15:12.01eichiis there allready a way to sync default calendar from n900 with a linux station without using a external website service?
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15:20.40MohammadAGkhertan, somehow, I think this is where it all went wrong https://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/history/4.7-fremantle/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp
15:20.53MohammadAGI've been tracing the aboutQt() dialog back to where it sets text
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15:27.22ZogGkhertan, i can't test khweeteur anymore =(
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15:47.45chem|stwho was the guy here hacking the columbus application?
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15:51.37ZogGchem|st what do you mean hack?
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15:56.03chem|stmaintainer/builder/coder/hacker/brain behind columbus
15:56.50ZogGchem|st oh, who is releasing it? you can check it om TMO - the one who announeced it i think it a developer
15:57.31chem|stZogG: in here... alterego I think was it
15:57.48ZogGchem|st maybe
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15:58.51ZogGit was tswindell on TMO
15:59.09zakkmmwhat are your takes on overclocking?
16:00.17ZogGchem|st if you want to contact him he has info on TMO http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=11220
16:02.20chem|stzakkmm: takes?
16:02.32zakkmmthoughts
16:02.36zakkmmthinking of it
16:02.51zakkmmi only use my phone very small times, never games or anything.. so the clockrate will never be high for long
16:03.02chem|stnever thought further than "won't do ever"
16:03.10ZogG++
16:03.16ZogGwhy would you do overclocking
16:03.28zakkmmcpu performance
16:03.31ZogGit's like one of the things you don't need but you want to as it's cool =)
16:03.44ZogGi liek my perfomance as it is
16:03.51chem|stZogG: the performance is already at 25ms isn't it?
16:03.55ZogGboth on desktop and n900 i would never overclock
16:04.01zakkmmim a little less patient
16:04.03zakkmm:)
16:04.13ZogGzakkmm, than buy dualcore phone
16:04.22zakkmmi wanted maemo.
16:04.26chem|stall devices I ever overclocked stalled after short time...
16:04.28zakkmmif they had a dual core phone i would of
16:04.47zakkmmi had the 770 originally back in the day .. upgraded to n800 cause it was faster
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16:05.41chem|stzakkmm: no need to overclock, hildon-home will eat it at 1GHz as it will on 600MHz...
16:06.15zakkmmthats a good thing
16:06.34chem|stzakkmm: tweaking the settings and replacing hungry apps with better stuff is more important than clock rate
16:06.35ZogGjust wait for meego device and hildon port to meego =)
16:06.49zakkmmi saw that, codora or something
16:07.14zakkmmi liked Mer back in the day , had an okay hildon-desktop'like
16:07.26chem|stbb
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16:15.13RST38hMeanwhile: U.S. credit rating outlook lowered by S&P
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16:21.26pupnik"open file" dialog on n900 is so slow that i misclick my way through the tree
16:21.44pupnikherky, jerky
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16:21.59pupnikhurp, durp.  stop. go
16:22.20pupnikright now it's stuck with a misdrawn directory list
16:23.40pupnikall hildon animations actually are stop and go slideshows atm
16:23.40RST38hwait until you see hoe much memory it allocates (use htop)
16:29.29pupniki umm.  just see hildon-desktop entries
16:29.34MohammadAGthe hildon file dialog sucks
16:29.41RST38hNo shit Sherlock...
16:29.47MohammadAGo hai RST38h
16:29.50MohammadAG:P
16:29.52RST38hheya
16:29.53pupnikwell they got rid of the 'esc' key
16:29.59pupnikand the concept of the 'esc'
16:30.16MohammadAGif only someone made a Qt library to browse for files
16:30.19pupnikso they needed to reserve 1/5th the screen real estate for the 'get me out of here
16:31.09MohammadAGworse is if the dialog isn't parented and it crashes (doesn't close)
16:31.16MohammadAGyou have to reboot or ssh in and kill it
16:31.20pupnikwhich i guess isn't totally bad, at least it's somewhat consistent
16:31.33MohammadAGlatter isn't possible on the go
16:31.35pupnikwhat process does the dialog run under ?
16:32.29pupnikhmm i may have debug libc6 loaded
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16:43.54RST38hThe problem with the file dialog is notthe with UI itself
16:44.23RST38hIt is with the gtk trying to read the WHOLE directory contents and create a separate widget for each filename
16:44.28ZogGRST38h явфкыеу =)
16:44.32ZogGzdraste*
16:44.47RST38hZogG: privet. use something readable though, this ircii does not do unicode
16:45.16ZogGi just didn't switch to english
16:45.22RST38hIn fact, I remember seeing it also traversing the first level of subdirectories, to "cache" things for better performance (sic)
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16:45.42ZogGwritting russian word in english letters while you forgot to switch from russian is kinda sacractic
16:46.06RST38hgoogle actually understands it now! =)
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16:57.34ZogGRST38h not always =(
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17:28.55jacekowskiZogG: pong
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17:30.41ZogGjacekowski just a minute, on phone
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17:47.11ZogGjacekowski, here
17:47.39ZogGi just wanted to talk to as much people as possible before i buy parts for N900 to fix it
17:47.45ZogGDocScrutinizer, pretty heleped me
17:48.05ZogGwith what micrUSB to buy and inside battery
17:48.31ZogGbtw DocScrutinizer, about inside battery. any other batteries that can fit and are good?
17:49.43DocScrutinizerdunno, you have to heck for voltage, dimesnion, and technology which I'd recommend to pick capacitive rather than LiIon
17:49.52DocScrutinizerCheck*
17:50.42DocScrutinizeryou also yould use a simple goldcap
17:51.03DocScrutinizeras long as it has >2.8V and fits mechanically
17:51.19ZogGDocScrutinizer, i'm pretty stupid and mostly stupid in HW so if you might help me i would appriteate this
17:51.55DocScrutinizerask robbiethe1st
17:51.56ZogGi order one you told me but as i understand they don't provide it in our country =(
17:52.03DocScrutinizerhe used a goldcap afaik
17:52.09ZogGDocScrutinizer who is it and he is not here =(
17:52.31ZogGDocScrutinizer any thread on TMO about it as well i can search for ?
17:53.03ZogGi would probablly change microusb for now and than in case it works i'll change battery after that
17:53.08DocScrutinizerwhat is tmo? :-P
17:53.13ZogGas battery would be nice but it's not main thing
17:53.22ZogGDocScrutinizer talk.maemo.org =)
17:53.34DocScrutinizernever heard of that
17:54.05ZogGDocScrutinizer it's used here a lot =-)
17:54.10ZogGand you just trolling me
17:54.18ZogGas you know everything as you just like google bot
17:54.29ZogGyou collection all the data over internets
17:54.38ZogG~tmo
17:54.38aptmethinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo
17:54.50ZogG~t-mo
17:54.50aptwell, t-mo is T-Mobile
17:54.52DocScrutinizer~factinfo tmo
17:54.52apttmo -- created by MohammadAG51 <~lagrange@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> at Wed Sep  8 12:31:38 2010 (222 days); last modified at Sat Oct 23 14:06:02 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 24 times, last by ZogG, 14s ago.
17:55.19ZogG~ZogG
17:55.20aptyou are probably not awesome at all
17:55.29ZogG~factinfo ZogG
17:55.29aptzogg -- created by DocScrutinizer <~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon May 10 13:53:31 2010 (343 days); last modified at Thu Mar  3 19:04:33 2011 by jacekowski!jacekowski@jacekowski.org; it has been requested 4 times, last by ZogG, 10s ago.
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17:55.41ZogGlol
17:56.03ZogGi forgot what was before jacekowski changed it
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18:15.47khertanMohammadAG: new error : http://pastebin.com/MNXfywPV
18:15.49khertan:)
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18:23.07MohammadAGkhertan, lemme guess x64?
18:23.16MohammadAGset vdso32=0
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18:30.25jacekowskiZogG: ?
18:31.12jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: do you know his problem?
18:31.18jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: he may have some lifted tracks there
18:31.56DocScrutinizernot at all, no photos no details
18:32.02jacekowskiyeah
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18:34.32Venemoif you wanna have a laugh, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=991262&postcount=3081
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18:39.31khertanMohammadAG: indeed amd64 ... i think it set it ... or maybe i read it too fast
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18:41.35khertanMohammadAG: the question is now what does it does ... (google my friend ...)
18:42.02piggzawesome...re-writing certain aspects of my space invaders game in c++ has much improoved the speed!
18:42.13pupnikhahah Venemo
18:42.14RST38hprays to the Tentacled One
18:42.38pupniki was just thinking of you RST38h
18:43.01RST38hah, see, the Tentacled One delivers
18:43.18RST38hNot always what you wish for, but anyway
18:45.19ZogGpiggz liked your game btw
18:45.21ZogGthnks
18:45.52piggzZogG: thx!
18:46.10ZogGno thx to you
18:46.14piggzZogG: keep your eyes out for an update in the coming days
18:46.37piggzthere are no slowdowns now
18:46.54ZogGi broke my n900 =)
18:47.01piggzunlucky!
18:47.10ZogG=(
18:47.13ZogGyes indeed
18:48.17MohammadAGkhertan, disables something I don't care about :P
18:55.33MohammadAGchem|st, http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=10174346
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19:04.58khertanerror: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key ... humhuù
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19:11.59pupnikcurent mypaint has a ridiculously long startup time
19:12.50pupnikoh god it's slow
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19:13.31pupnik5 second delay from drawing a stroke with 100 radius circle
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19:15.07n900-stuff\o
19:15.12n900-stuffwheeeeeeeee
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19:15.29n900-stuffits good!
19:15.44n900-stuff:o where is the full screen?
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19:19.57chem|stMohammadAG: "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
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19:20.22chem|stMohammadAG: you mean bada rocks?
19:20.40pupniklol a thread i started under an alt nick in 2009 has 241,000 views
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19:21.41MohammadAGchem|st, http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=finduser&u=52911
19:22.23MohammadAGI'd keep his posts and ban him
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19:25.17chem|stMohammadAG: kept him and deleted his posts... you have too much food... trollfeeding isn't a good hobby
19:26.15MohammadAGwhy'd you keep him? :P
19:28.56jakdarippastartx &
19:29.05jakdarippaopps
19:30.42chem|stMohammadAG: he got a warning, an offending one... "you will get banned in no time"
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20:06.00pupnikcan't update / wget from scratchbox armel.  nsswitch.conf is patched
20:06.16pupnikso sick of manually installing libraries
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20:16.21pupnikremember when you could actually just use an ip address
20:16.24pupnikremember?
20:16.27pupnikanyone?
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20:19.50jhbHi *, a lot of processes appear twice with 'ps faux' http://pastebin.com/HucqCvwj. Is this normal?
20:20.46pupniksame here jhb
20:21.03pupnikthings with [] are kernel btw
20:21.08SpeedEviljhb: yes
20:21.21SpeedEviljhb: thre are two halvres to manyprocesses
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20:22.05Sazpaimonhow exactly does one build apache2 on scratchbox
20:22.19Sazpaimonthe build fails with qemu segfaulting
20:22.36Sazpaimonis there a better qemu than the one scratchbox provides that I can use
20:22.42Sazpaimonpreferably one that supports forking?
20:25.27jhbSpeedEvil, pupnik: thanks
20:25.43pupnikahh /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf isn't chrooted to /etc/resolv.conf when you're in the build target
20:26.23Sazpaimonalright, i guess I'll just modify the makefile to not run ./apache2
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21:02.26DocScrutinizer*sigh*
21:02.30DocScrutinizer~uptime
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21:08.05n900-stuffwhat happened doc?
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21:18.03pupnikthanks for python-numpy jacekowski
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21:35.00DocScrutinizer~botsnack
21:35.00infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee
21:38.00DocScrutinizerpupnik: LOL
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21:39.29pupnikwell
21:39.46DocScrutinizer(for float64)
21:40.12pupnikyeah that's inner-loop stuff
21:40.45pupnikand they're calling a generic 'scientific computing' library within it with not a care in the world
21:40.56pupnik'now we can do everything! weee!'
21:41.50Sazpaimonguys
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21:41.56Sazpaimonhey guys
21:42.05GAN900hey!
21:42.10Sazpaimonbuilding apache is a terrible thing
21:42.25GAN900listen!
21:42.26Sazpaimonespecially when all i want to do is apt-get -b source php
21:48.30pupnikSazpaimon: building things can be difficult
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21:50.27Proteoussomeone hit the z button plz
21:50.36FauxFauxz
21:50.51SpeedEvilz
21:51.37Proteoussorry, legend of zelda joke continuation
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21:56.58MohammadAGkilling dsme is a bad bad thing to do
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21:59.31Proteousheh
22:00.00SpeedEvil'They shoot DSME's, don't they'.
22:00.47MohammadAGI was trying to strace it
22:01.11MohammadAGscreen won't turn on, mce was running through dsme
22:01.14MohammadAGmeh, this sucks
22:01.40MohammadAGat least there's a way to disable mass storage mode without unplugging the cable
22:01.55SpeedEvilcut the cable
22:02.29MohammadAGthere actually is a way :P
22:02.56MohammadAGumount, osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh, ke-recv-test de
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22:07.43Sazpaimonpupnik, building apache never gave me this much trouble
22:08.08Sazpaimonqemu segfaults whenever it starts the apache2 binary, which is part of the debian build process
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22:17.25MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, how can one monitor sysfs changes?
22:18.21DocScrutinizerkevents
22:18.54DocScrutinizerKernelEvents-RECeiVe
22:19.05DocScrutinizersee?
22:20.02MohammadAGwait, so ke-recv is that o_O
22:21.04MohammadAGI'm thinking of rewriting the status menu applet for USB
22:21.06MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun?/file
22:21.07MohammadAG/dev/mmcblk0p1
22:21.07MohammadAG/dev/mmcblk1
22:21.18MohammadAGthat's when the device is mounted on a host
22:21.36MohammadAGafter it's unmount/ejected from the host:
22:21.40MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun?/file
22:21.40MohammadAGNokia-N900:~#
22:22.12MohammadAGwow, how retarded
22:22.17MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# osso-usb-mass-storage-is-used.sh; echo $?
22:22.18MohammadAG0
22:22.32MohammadAGit's just the applet that doesn't update the GUI until the cable's unplugged
22:23.59DocScrutinizerlol
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22:24.56DocScrutinizerprobably because that sysnode doesn't support kevents? that would mean the applet had to poll, and it'S a sane thing they don't do it
22:26.02MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I can think of an easy way
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22:26.09DocScrutinizertry ke-recv-test to emulate the cable-pull
22:26.10MohammadAGkeep the button enabled
22:26.21MohammadAGdoesn't change the applet, already tried it
22:26.29DocScrutinizer:-(
22:26.35MohammadAGif the user clicks the button, check if the device is mounted
22:26.42MohammadAGif so, bitch about it, if not, allow USB mode change
22:27.02MohammadAGthis eliminates the need to poll
22:27.13DocScrutinizerumm
22:27.22DocScrutinizercan't follow
22:27.57MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, right now, the applet switches from a button to a label if a USB mode is set right?
22:29.09DocScrutinizerwhich one?
22:29.35MohammadAGthe USB applet
22:29.40DocScrutinizerUSB? never seen that as a button
22:29.46MohammadAGplug a cable in, tap outside the dialog
22:29.55MohammadAGit's a button if it's in "Charging only"
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22:30.04DocScrutinizeroh
22:31.05MohammadAGnow, instead of switching to a label, keep it as a button, even in mass storage mode
22:31.20pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CucbHzgQ0kU  latest Mypaint 0.8.2 speed on n900
22:31.21MohammadAGif the user clicks it, check if those files are empty (i.e device ejected), and allow changing modes
22:31.31pupnik^ doc, if you have 32 seconds
22:31.52MohammadAGif the files aren't empty (device mounted), display a hildon notification "Oi, device is mounted, eject it first or yank the cable out"
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