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| 00:02.28 | pupnik | TiagoTiago: yes |
| 00:02.37 | pupnik | nox-: i hear it from the next room |
| 00:02.45 | nox- | wow |
| 00:03.19 | TiagoTiago | I've been told those highpiched whistles tend to come from capacitors nearing their death...... |
| 00:03.33 | pupnik | well now i'm sure it's from switching power supplies |
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| 00:10.14 | TiagoTiago | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Default_partition_setup doesn't mention a partition for /opt |
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| 00:25.19 | TiagoTiago | Does anyone know if the contents of /opt gets wiped if you reflash only rootfs but not the eMMC? |
| 00:36.55 | SpeedEvil | opt is in /home |
| 00:37.00 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't get touched |
| 00:37.54 | TiagoTiago | Why does it suggests otherwise in http://wiki.maemo.org/Reflash#N900 ? |
| 00:38.16 | TiagoTiago | "Flashing the rootfs on your N900 will reset the device's linux system back to factory settings...Also, all information contained in /home (except /home/opt) will remain intact." |
| 00:49.43 | TiagoTiago | What gives? |
| 00:49.54 | SpeedEvil | It's a wiki. |
| 00:50.05 | SpeedEvil | I may be wrong |
| 00:50.24 | nox- | doesnt a fresh flashed device move stuff to /opt on first boot? |
| 00:50.26 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 00:50.31 | nox- | for like minutes... |
| 00:50.39 | TiagoTiago | Hm |
| 00:50.43 | nox- | freshly even |
| 00:51.11 | TiagoTiago | Well, if it is just the optfying of system files i don't think i have anything to worry about |
| 00:51.13 | pupnik | what glibc version do we have on n900? |
| 00:51.32 | nox- | also /opt is just a kludge bc someone didnt know /usr can be a seperate fs... |
| 00:51.47 | pupnik | hmm not sure bout that |
| 00:51.59 | pupnik | hmm 2.5.1 |
| 00:54.30 | TiagoTiago | hmm pie |
| 00:59.52 | TiagoTiago | alright, here goes nothing |
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| 01:13.41 | TiagoTiago | I'm shitting myself nervous about how much i might have lost :( |
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| 01:13.55 | SpeedEvil | What's on the FS? |
| 01:14.36 | TiagoTiago | Dunno really, probably nothing important, i tend to overreact to certain things... |
| 01:16.44 | TiagoTiago | not "certain", "some", i don't think there really is much of a pattern |
| 01:18.11 | TiagoTiago | Hm, Is it normal for the throbber to last a long time after a rootfs reflash? |
| 01:28.40 | TiagoTiago | Still throbbing... |
| 01:28.56 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:29.00 | SpeedEvil | 5 min or so |
| 01:29.01 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.02 | SpeedEvil | It takes ages |
| 01:29.43 | pupnik | nah |
| 01:29.57 | pupnik | did you use it? |
| 01:30.52 | derf | I've used it. |
| 01:30.52 | TiagoTiago | Yay, the pin entry screen! |
| 01:31.06 | pupnik | Callgrind: jumps.c:164 (new_jcc): Assertion '(0 <= jmp) && (jmp <= from->bb->cjmp_count)' failed. |
| 01:31.13 | derf | I helped get it working in the first place. |
| 01:31.17 | TiagoTiago | Hands video! :D |
| 01:31.23 | pupnik | seems to be triggered when calling libphysfs (no debugging symbols)? |
| 01:31.33 | pupnik | or related to this bug? http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.debugging.valgrind.devel/12835 |
| 01:31.33 | derf | pupnik: File a bug. |
| 01:32.34 | pupnik | does it look like a bug, or do i need to build a libphysfs with debug-symbols? |
| 01:32.35 | derf | pupnik: Did you try the patch in that bug? |
| 01:33.05 | pupnik | no |
| 01:33.54 | pupnik | so far it seems callgrind yields that with everything i try though |
| 01:34.21 | pupnik | do you have any working use of valgrind+callgrind i could try running derf? |
| 01:34.27 | derf | Hmm, it definitely doesn't do that for me, though I've been using a copy I built several months ago. |
| 01:34.42 | TiagoTiago | Now to start resintalling all my stuff |
| 01:35.02 | derf | pupnik: dump_video from libtheora (you'll have to build it from svn, as the package doesn't install that program by default). |
| 01:36.03 | derf | pupnik: Note that, even if you get it working, it's currently hamstrung by https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=252091 |
| 01:36.04 | povbot` | Bug 252091: was not found. |
| 01:37.17 | pupnik | ahh ok :( |
| 01:37.33 | pupnik | oprofile used to give me all i needed really |
| 01:43.14 | derf | I started a patch to fix that bug, but then I got distracted for 7 months. |
| 01:43.57 | derf | In any case, if you can verify the assertion fix, I can harass sewardj to get it applied. |
| 01:51.54 | pupnik | on my todo list |
| 01:52.08 | pupnik | derf ++ |
| 01:53.36 | pupnik | maemo-launcher is incredibly busy during my sdl-game |
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| 01:57.36 | pupnik | ahh it's got all the clutter stuff under it |
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| 02:42.33 | pupnik | mce consuming surprisingly lot of cpu |
| 02:42.52 | pupnik | 1371 0.4519 no-vmlinux mce /no-vmlinux |
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| 03:15.50 | TiagoTiago | What is the page that got those green arrows for enabling the -test and -dev repos? |
| 03:22.26 | pupnik | http://www.ocpp.org/blue/Danny_Kaye_-_I_Paid_My_Income_Tax_Today.mp3 >_< listen |
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| 03:30.35 | pupnik | "At Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthauâs request, Irving Berlin wrote a flag-waving propaganda song, âI Paid My Income Tax Today,â which was announced at the end of January 1942." |
| 03:33.36 | TiagoTiago | amusing |
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| 03:44.39 | TiagoTiago | Hm, i've just reflashed my rootfs, would it be worth setting up a chroot to another copy of the rootfs to keep the original intact and easier to recover? |
| 03:45.11 | TiagoTiago | I mean, should i take this opportunity to do this? |
| 03:45.40 | sid__ | 2011041502003803 |
| 03:46.02 | sid__ | sry false copy&paste |
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| 06:20.15 | RST38h | ...There are just two people left who can speak Ayapaneco fluently -- but they refuse to talk to each other... |
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| 06:21.27 | pupnik | daimonin client: new quickslot prototype and many improved icons http://i.imgur.com/yXkkt.jpg |
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| 07:36.41 | MohammadAG | morning |
| 07:38.13 | pupnik | should hildon desktop be constantly consuming 4-7% cpu? |
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| 07:44.28 | MohammadAG | no |
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| 08:04.38 | pupnik | something has increased my idle load from 6mA to 30mA |
| 08:05.40 | pupnik | freakin aliens |
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| 08:11.58 | pupnik | MohammadAG: may be related to catorize... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10412 |
| 08:12.00 | povbot` | Bug 10412: hildon-desktop cpu usage, result=causes slow battery drain |
| 08:12.57 | MohammadAG | pupnik, that was fixed in the CSSU if you use that |
| 08:13.53 | MohammadAG | https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/460912aac97f2cfcb816c4900c20a5a46ec3f10e |
| 08:14.24 | pupnik | hmm, deleting my only widget application and now hildon desktop is at 0.0 |
| 08:14.47 | MohammadAG | widgets are run by hildon-home, not hildon-desktop |
| 08:14.51 | pupnik | ahh |
| 08:15.09 | pupnik | thanks for the link! ) |
| 08:16.19 | pupnik | so many awesome apps here that aren't available for android, or would be a pain to get running |
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| 08:27.41 | pupnik | swears silently as he trips over usb charging cord for the 42nd time |
| 08:28.40 | ruskie | hehe |
| 08:28.48 | ruskie | why is it on the ground? |
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| 08:31.21 | pupnik | because the table has no power outlets |
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| 09:00.57 | pupnik | oop |
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| 09:19.53 | Termana | good morning |
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| 09:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: that's hoe USB receptacle gets loose most usually |
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| 09:59.01 | AsusEeePC | guess its dead |
| 09:59.38 | AsusEeePC | anyways since maemo is an linux based os , is there something like srs for it ? |
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| 10:03.10 | AsusEeePC | no response |
| 10:03.13 | AsusEeePC | ohwell |
| 10:03.35 | MaKa | 'Memory not accessible. unable to save content' error :( |
| 10:08.33 | SpeedEvil | srs? |
| 10:08.51 | AsusEeePC | surround sound |
| 10:09.16 | AsusEeePC | or 3d sound |
| 10:09.20 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:09.36 | SpeedEvil | Sound is based on pulseaudio |
| 10:10.11 | AsusEeePC | if you call it that way |
| 10:10.25 | SpeedEvil | Even if you don't. |
| 10:10.32 | SpeedEvil | It's still based on pulseaudio. |
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| 10:10.41 | AsusEeePC | i see |
| 10:11.35 | AsusEeePC | but is there something like that for n900? |
| 10:13.56 | robbiethe1st | Uh... possibly; 3D sound is 'faked' through the use of(basically) an equalizer |
| 10:14.35 | robbiethe1st | You can use Rockbox which has a built-in equalizer. Or, possibly, take your music, set your PC up with a "headphones" equalizer and record through that |
| 10:15.02 | AsusEeePC | ssymfonie i use |
| 10:15.32 | AsusEeePC | what about incredible sound |
| 10:15.45 | robbiethe1st | Uh... |
| 10:15.47 | robbiethe1st | ? |
| 10:16.03 | AsusEeePC | its something portable speakers use |
| 10:16.12 | SpeedEvil | For incredible sound, resample everything to 24kb/s |
| 10:16.18 | robbiethe1st | XD |
| 10:16.21 | AsusEeePC | but i thought an srs would be nice for n900 |
| 10:16.28 | robbiethe1st | Just configure your equalizer |
| 10:19.22 | robbiethe1st | You can always try Rockbox; it's got loads of presets to make your music sound 'better'. |
| 10:20.38 | macmaN | right |
| 10:20.55 | macmaN | so how come i didnt get the memo about opera11 being absolutely mindblowing on n900 |
| 10:21.13 | macmaN | i (heart) ff to the core, but this is on another level |
| 10:21.42 | robbiethe1st | Dunno; never used it |
| 10:22.19 | macmaN | you owe it to yourself to at least try it one time :) |
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| 10:28.47 | macmaN | on another note, is there some known method to get better resolution thumbnails for contacts with hermes |
| 10:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | opera is awesome |
| 10:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, also doesn't know flash, but aiui no second source browser will, as (dunno why) microB flash "plugin" isn't compatible, and CPU grunt is too weak for sw-emulated (non-hw-accelerated) flash |
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| 10:37.56 | macmaN | and on another note, is there something that display your current ip in a visually pleasant way in statusmenu/desktop |
| 10:38.51 | macmaN | or just what do you guys your for that |
| 10:38.53 | macmaN | use* |
| 10:40.14 | robbiethe1st | Uh |
| 10:40.34 | robbiethe1st | Like personal IP address widget? |
| 10:46.52 | piggz | hi...running meego -de on n900, both tablet and handset versions connect fine to my wifi, but cant connect to the net...i have an ip address on wlan0, but unable to ping my router, any ideas? |
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| 10:58.31 | AsusEeePC | this rockbox support lossless? |
| 10:58.45 | AsusEeePC | aka flac, ape,tak,tta |
| 11:03.11 | robbiethe1st | Yea |
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| 11:03.17 | robbiethe1st | flac at least, probably ape |
| 11:03.28 | robbiethe1st | http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 11:04.08 | ruskie | ape... I doubt it |
| 11:04.18 | ruskie | iirc ape isn't really Free friendly |
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| 11:07.11 | robbiethe1st | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio |
| 11:11.21 | ruskie | ahh |
| 11:11.22 | ruskie | I guess |
| 11:11.26 | ruskie | don't really care |
| 11:11.40 | ruskie | I mostly have ogg, flac and a few mp3s |
| 11:13.01 | robbiethe1st | I've got perhaps half a dozen ogg, a couple flac and mostly mp3s of varying quality |
| 11:13.26 | macmaN | opera 11 for diablo |
| 11:13.32 | macmaN | :-o |
| 11:13.37 | macmaN | talk about new life? |
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| 11:32.18 | pupnik | i think there are some open-source HRTF models and datasets if someone's interested AsusEeePC |
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| 11:59.36 | MohammadAG | Qt's kinda crappy on symbian |
| 12:03.44 | RST38h | Weeelll.... |
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| 12:53.41 | ZogG | who had looose connector? |
| 12:53.59 | ZogG | usb port on n900 i mean |
| 12:55.38 | ArkanoiD- | mine is ok |
| 12:56.26 | ArkanoiD- | despite the way i abuse it: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/hostmode.jpg |
| 13:03.15 | chem|st | MohammadAG: pong |
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| 13:09.54 | GAN900 | RST38h, any chance you're making SF. |
| 13:10.40 | RST38h | SF as in what? |
| 13:12.24 | GAN900 | MeeGoConf |
| 13:13.14 | jacekowski | ZogG: i had but it was plug on charger |
| 13:13.31 | ZogG | jacekowski i don't know if it charger or usb |
| 13:13.44 | ZogG | when it get broken it's ripped out of n900 at all? |
| 13:13.45 | jacekowski | charger very likely |
| 13:13.52 | jacekowski | no |
| 13:14.03 | ZogG | i think tiny thing inside usb on n900 is moving little bit |
| 13:14.03 | jacekowski | ZogG: try poking it gently with something |
| 13:14.06 | jacekowski | ZogG: and see if it moves |
| 13:14.08 | ZogG | and it wouldn't chatge =( |
| 13:14.17 | jacekowski | ZogG: metal thing |
| 13:14.23 | ZogG | not metal |
| 13:14.27 | ZogG | the one inside |
| 13:14.36 | ZogG | with contacts |
| 13:14.56 | jacekowski | can you connect it to pc with normal cable? |
| 13:15.21 | ZogG | woudn't help ( |
| 13:15.26 | jacekowski | then it's broken |
| 13:15.35 | jacekowski | and it's not the way it's broken normally |
| 13:16.04 | RST38h | GAN900: Ah,that... Probably not. Not the best time in my life at the moment. |
| 13:16.07 | ZogG | i have microusb to usb |
| 13:16.17 | ZogG | if i connect it to pc with normal usb cable? |
| 13:16.30 | jacekowski | ZogG: cable that came with a phone |
| 13:17.10 | ZogG | tred that |
| 13:17.13 | ZogG | no effect |
| 13:17.16 | AsusEeePC | so uhm how do i install this rockplayer |
| 13:17.25 | ZogG | oh |
| 13:17.28 | jacekowski | ZogG: then it's broken |
| 13:17.38 | ZogG | it does work on laptop |
| 13:17.50 | ZogG | it turned yellow light for once |
| 13:19.07 | pupnik | just came up with a much faster (discrete, integer) model for laplacian growth |
| 13:19.22 | AsusEeePC | its for my n900 |
| 13:19.35 | pupnik | well nothing more than a hack, i guess |
| 13:19.51 | ZogG | jacekowski, i think i managed |
| 13:19.58 | ZogG | but i played with cable |
| 13:20.07 | ZogG | and i think it's inside phone |
| 13:22.27 | ZogG | jacekowski nope still fighting with it |
| 13:23.43 | GAN900 | RST38h, sorry to hear that. |
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| 13:25.33 | GAN900 | RST38h, I'm currently worried the Intel marketing people are going to overpower us and stuff us in a closet. :P |
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| 13:29.59 | _trine | I cant update apps anymore or get to the repositories |
| 13:30.09 | _trine | this is what I see in th elog |
| 13:30.12 | _trine | http://dpaste.com/532674/ |
| 13:30.27 | _trine | my wifes N900 has no problem |
| 13:30.33 | _trine | any ideas |
| 13:31.49 | _trine | what does the E: mean ? |
| 13:31.54 | psycho_oreos | error |
| 13:32.45 | _trine | any ideas why an error would occur |
| 13:32.50 | psycho_oreos | I personally would suggest removing those files and try update again |
| 13:33.03 | _trine | which files |
| 13:33.16 | psycho_oreos | don't know, it could be almost anything from perms to corrupt file |
| 13:34.03 | psycho_oreos | /var/lib/apt/lists/*._Packages |
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| 13:38.32 | _trine | I deleted all the files in that folder but its just the same |
| 13:39.05 | _trine | when I try to download new apps it says no-applications available |
| 13:39.25 | ZogG | jacekowski yeah whole thing came out |
| 13:39.46 | jacekowski | ZogG: metal thing? |
| 13:39.51 | ZogG | yeah |
| 13:39.59 | jacekowski | you broke it |
| 13:40.04 | ZogG | jacekowski what options do i have? |
| 13:40.08 | jacekowski | nokia care |
| 13:40.12 | jacekowski | or sit down and cry |
| 13:40.20 | jacekowski | make a backup while it's still charged |
| 13:40.22 | ZogG | we don't have officialy n900 in here |
| 13:40.30 | jacekowski | nokia care |
| 13:40.36 | jacekowski | they will probably help |
| 13:41.10 | jacekowski | MohammadAG may know something about nokia in israel |
| 13:43.19 | ZogG | http://europe.nokia.com/support/repair-and-recycle/repair/care-points |
| 13:43.24 | ZogG | no nokia care |
| 13:43.28 | ZogG | MohammadAG, ping |
| 13:43.47 | ZogG | jacekowski, and what are the chances to fix it manually? |
| 13:44.55 | jacekowski | slim |
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| 13:47.44 | ZogG | jacekowski checking with friends from intel |
| 13:47.59 | ZogG | he is working therre in engeneering or something |
| 13:48.02 | ZogG | if he can do it |
| 13:49.03 | jacekowski | well, you would have to check how bad is it |
| 13:49.07 | jacekowski | did it just desoldered |
| 13:49.12 | jacekowski | or ripped tracks as well |
| 13:51.02 | ZogG | jacekowski how many tracks it have? |
| 13:51.11 | ZogG | i have 3 left on it |
| 13:51.12 | jacekowski | 5 |
| 13:51.28 | ZogG | so =( |
| 13:51.38 | jacekowski | Vbus D+ D- Id GND |
| 13:51.43 | ZogG | wait what phones have same parts |
| 13:51.59 | ZogG | N86 ? |
| 13:52.01 | jacekowski | have you opened your phone already? |
| 13:52.07 | ZogG | not yet |
| 13:52.13 | ZogG | i see on part outsie |
| 13:52.20 | jacekowski | so how do you know what is left inside |
| 13:52.30 | jacekowski | i'm not talking about socket itself |
| 13:52.31 | ZogG | inside i think it's left 2 =) |
| 13:52.39 | jacekowski | then you're in a shit |
| 13:52.46 | ZogG | why? |
| 13:52.49 | ZogG | http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Port-Charging-Connector-NOKIA-N86-N900-7210C-5220C-/220754421623?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3365fd2777#ht_1844wt_907 |
| 13:52.54 | ZogG | if i buy that one? |
| 13:52.56 | jacekowski | if it lifted tracks from pcb there is no way to do them again |
| 13:53.03 | jacekowski | i'm talking about pcb not a connector |
| 13:53.07 | psycho_oreos | _trine, what does the logs say? |
| 13:53.11 | ZogG | why? |
| 13:53.20 | jacekowski | because PCB can't be replaced |
| 13:53.22 | jacekowski | connector can |
| 13:53.24 | jacekowski | and it's cheap |
| 13:53.31 | jacekowski | so you have to check if PCB is damaged or not |
| 13:54.04 | _trine | psycho_oreos, I am just copying a folder so I will have to wait till this has finished |
| 13:54.41 | ZogG | jacekowski, my friend works at intel factory making cpu's i think he have tools, can it be managed in lab or i need to change pcb so i need new one? |
| 13:55.14 | jacekowski | ZogG: depends if it's damaged or not |
| 13:55.33 | jacekowski | ZogG: if it's damaged you need new pcb ( and everything that's on it ( so it's pretty much new phone ) ) |
| 13:57.32 | ZogG | jacekowski, how it can be damaged? |
| 13:58.11 | jacekowski | by ripping connector out? |
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| 13:58.24 | jacekowski | how do you think connector is connected to pcb? |
| 13:58.25 | jacekowski | it's soldered |
| 13:58.30 | jacekowski | to copper tracks on that pcb |
| 13:58.35 | jacekowski | and copper tracks are glued to pcb |
| 13:58.54 | jacekowski | when you rip that connector out it's either glue or solder that gives up |
| 13:59.00 | jacekowski | if you're lucky it was solder |
| 13:59.05 | jacekowski | if you're not it was glue |
| 13:59.12 | jacekowski | in most cases it's glue |
| 14:04.36 | macmaN | can anyone remind what stopped you from putting app launchers on diablo's hildon-desktop |
| 14:04.49 | macmaN | remind me* |
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| 14:16.23 | OkropNick | macmaN: Queen Beecon? |
| 14:17.06 | OkropNick | macmaN: sorry, I didn't understood you. Little hangover |
| 14:18.59 | ZogG | jacekowski ok i disassembeled it =) |
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| 14:19.12 | ZogG | jacekowski, now how do i check? |
| 14:19.31 | ZogG | i even don't have camera to take pics =( |
| 14:20.20 | _trine | psycho_oreos, which logs ? |
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| 14:23.23 | ZogG | jacekowski, ping |
| 14:26.04 | jacekowski | ZogG: well, you have to get to place where usb connector used to be |
| 14:26.13 | ZogG | jacekowski i see it |
| 14:26.20 | jacekowski | and how does it look? |
| 14:26.25 | ZogG | how i know if it's can be fixed or not? |
| 14:26.39 | jacekowski | are tracks still there? |
| 14:27.08 | ZogG | i see 2 are in places |
| 14:27.28 | jacekowski | are you talking about pins from that connector |
| 14:27.30 | jacekowski | or tracks on pcb |
| 14:27.49 | ZogG | i'm confused what is tracks |
| 14:28.03 | ZogG | like i see 5 little thins connector should be pluged to |
| 14:28.19 | ZogG | 1 of them is like full |
| 14:28.40 | jacekowski | http://arpa.org/visual/pcb.jpg |
| 14:28.43 | jacekowski | that's a PCB |
| 14:28.46 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 14:28.49 | jacekowski | that's not a real pcb |
| 14:29.06 | ZogG | wait |
| 14:29.15 | ZogG | have you ever disassembled one? |
| 14:29.17 | jacekowski | http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/1/enigmah/enigmah_pcb.jpg |
| 14:29.19 | jacekowski | that's a PCB |
| 14:29.22 | jacekowski | ZogG: yes |
| 14:29.28 | ZogG | can i take part with microsd off? |
| 14:29.33 | jacekowski | i'm giving you simple example |
| 14:29.42 | jacekowski | ZogG: there is that ribbon connecting it to main pcb |
| 14:29.49 | jacekowski | ZogG: don't damage it |
| 14:29.54 | jacekowski | ZogG: there is no way to replace it |
| 14:30.05 | jacekowski | ZogG: take a look at picture i linked |
| 14:30.05 | ZogG | i just pull it off? |
| 14:30.11 | jacekowski | ZogG: that's a PCB |
| 14:30.25 | jacekowski | ZogG: these silver looking things on are tracks |
| 14:30.30 | jacekowski | ZogG: or pads |
| 14:30.37 | jacekowski | depending on location |
| 14:30.42 | ZogG | ok |
| 14:30.42 | jacekowski | they are called differently |
| 14:30.50 | jacekowski | you solder components to them |
| 14:30.53 | ZogG | i see 5 of thems |
| 14:30.59 | jacekowski | tracks are held to pcb with just glue |
| 14:31.02 | ZogG | but several looks not that silver anymore =) |
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| 14:31.19 | jacekowski | well, they may be copper colour |
| 14:31.32 | jacekowski | or whiteish looking as well |
| 14:31.35 | ZogG | i mean they are like ripped off in half |
| 14:32.01 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 14:32.13 | jacekowski | photo would be the best |
| 14:32.21 | ZogG | like you have old sticker and you take it off |
| 14:32.29 | ZogG | but it's like off but still left |
| 14:32.32 | ZogG | if you get what i mean |
| 14:32.42 | ZogG | i don't have batteries for camera =( |
| 14:33.13 | jacekowski | hmm, well, thing is is it glue and whatever they use to keep tracks stuck to pcb |
| 14:33.47 | jacekowski | ask your friend |
| 14:33.53 | jacekowski | that would be the best thing to do |
| 14:33.53 | _trine | hmmm it wont even let me unistall apps either its says 'internal error' |
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| 14:39.33 | _trine | is there a way to reset the N900 to defaults or would I need to reflash it |
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| 14:42.15 | ZogG | jacekowski how do i take off microsd part |
| 14:42.19 | ZogG | affraid to break it |
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| 14:45.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: broken solder looks whitish |
| 14:47.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: (afraid) better you are. this is a very delicate piece and glued on by sticky tape really tight |
| 14:47.42 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer51, took it out |
| 14:47.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | plus you have that ribbon connection to main PCB that MUST NOT break |
| 14:47.56 | ZogG | it was dirty than sticky tape is not the same anymore =) |
| 14:48.08 | ZogG | the ribbon is alright |
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| 14:49.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | you can carefully 'scratch' the white pads with a screwdriver and see if they get silver |
| 14:49.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | or copper |
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| 14:50.43 | _trine | and apply some flux |
| 14:51.30 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 and if the y do? |
| 14:51.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | then you're lucky and can reolder the USB |
| 14:52.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | re-solder |
| 14:52.19 | ZogG | i think the connections are ok |
| 14:52.57 | ZogG | but i do need new connector anyway i think |
| 14:53.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | you got 5 contacts plus 4 large mech support pads |
| 14:54.10 | ZogG | support pads are not that important right? |
| 14:55.04 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 as i already got it appart, there is somethin between power and camera button like small battery |
| 14:55.08 | ZogG | is it inside battery? |
| 14:55.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ackup bat for RTC |
| 14:55.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually broken |
| 14:56.02 | ZogG | yeah mine is broken |
| 14:56.11 | ZogG | can it be replaced? |
| 14:56.19 | ZogG | maybe i'll order are buy something |
| 14:56.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 14:56.26 | ZogG | any advice on it s well? |
| 14:56.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | I usually recommend a supercap |
| 14:57.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'll post the link when at home |
| 14:57.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | the LiIo cells all break after 6 months |
| 14:58.32 | ZogG | can usay me more details |
| 14:58.36 | ZogG | soi'll order on ebay? |
| 14:59.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | wait 90 min, I'll ping you |
| 14:59.46 | ZogG | ok |
| 15:01.15 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 btw i can't manage to reconnect connector myself right? i need really special equipment as it's small? |
| 15:01.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | umm, yes |
| 15:02.33 | ZogG | damn it |
| 15:02.43 | ZogG | my friend don't answer the phone |
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| 15:02.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | HB414 there's a pdf that has capacitor cell at bottom of that one page |
| 15:02.54 | ZogG | + i need new connector |
| 15:03.10 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer51> HB414 there's a pdf that has capacitor cell at bottom of that one page ??? |
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| 15:03.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | google |
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| 15:03.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | some link has the right answer |
| 15:04.59 | ZogG | if i would understand shit like that =0 |
| 15:05.01 | ZogG | =) |
| 15:05.09 | ZogG | http://www.datasheetarchive.com/HB414-datasheet.html ? |
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| 15:09.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | XH414H |
| 15:09.51 | ZogG | ebay says nothing |
| 15:10.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://de.mouser.com/catalog/643/2569.pdf |
| 15:11.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | l8r |
| 15:11.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | o/ |
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| 15:22.49 | ZogG | \o |
| 15:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: MOUSER |
| 15:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | STOCK NO. 628-XH414H-II06E Seiko Part No. XH414H-II06E figure E in that http://de.mouser.com/catalog/643/2569.pdf maches footprint of N900-bupbat *exactly* |
| 15:35.03 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer where can i buy it? |
| 15:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | at mouser? |
| 15:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Seiko-Instruments/XH414H-II06E/?qs=%2bPJ3Ll1xQNZaFL0JrSSItw== |
| 15:36.43 | ZogG | anywhere i can pay with paypal? |
| 15:37.36 | ZogG | they have israel number i'll call them |
| 15:37.39 | ZogG | tomorrow |
| 15:37.49 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, anyway they have connector as well? |
| 15:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | lrn2mouser |
| 15:38.57 | ZogG | what is this mouser at all? |
| 15:39.16 | ZogG | this one is good enuf? |
| 15:39.18 | ZogG | http://il.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/47642-0001/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvix4Kz%252byXAvU6WIa4V4G4m |
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| 15:41.53 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer at the connector |
| 15:42.09 | ZogG | 4 pads actually don't have any purpose except to hold it? |
| 15:42.18 | ZogG | cause those have glue ripped of |
| 15:42.29 | ZogG | and 5 contacts are still silver i think |
| 15:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | then you need lots of glue to reinstall the receptacle ;-) |
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| 15:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | 5 small parallel pads are electric contacts, the there are 4 huge and 2 smaller large ones that are mostly mech support but also GND for sleve of receptacle |
| 15:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FCI/10103594-0001LF/?qs=EnLMdcWnKABYZwdMsmC/ag== STATIC CONNECT!! check datasheet! |
| 15:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | s/STAIC/QUICK/ |
| 15:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | s/STATIC/QUICK/ |
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| 16:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/fcimicrousb/ http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?FS=TRUE&N=4294759256+13833015+4294741457+1323043 |
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| 16:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.18 | mazzen | hi! does anyone know, if there is a specific reason for the acess denied on http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/maemo/jalimo-install.php ? or is this just a configuration error? |
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| 16:24.22 | macmaN | probably configuration error |
| 16:24.26 | macmaN | i doubt they check user agents |
| 16:24.30 | macmaN | or...? |
| 16:25.48 | macmaN | wow interesting, java on the tablet eh |
| 16:26.08 | macmaN | i rememeber i was looking for that at one point, but now i cant remember what for |
| 16:26.25 | RST38h | Looks like the whole repo is locked from access |
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| 16:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: http://portal.fciconnect.com/portal/page/portal/FcicntPublic/ComergentConnect?appname=catDisplayStyle$domProductQueryName=10103594-0001LF*$OP=search CustomerDrawing suggests this component is matching *almost* but has thruhole for the mech posts. You can either cut, or bend, or (not really) drill holes into PCB ;-P |
| 16:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | this is http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FCI/10103594-0001LF/?qs=EnLMdcWnKABYZwdMsmC/ag== |
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| 16:48.14 | Venemo | good afternoon Maemo :) |
| 16:48.26 | Venemo | hey DocScrutinizer, how're you? |
| 16:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | headache of Mouser |
| 16:51.02 | RST38h | Well, moo. |
| 16:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | pondering how to find out if it's safe to finally drill holes to the USB rcpc solder pads of PCB, to get a MUCH better sturdy USB connector. Would need X-Ray for that :-S |
| 16:53.22 | ruskie | or original blueprints I guess |
| 16:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | there SHOULD not be any inner layer traces, but you never know |
| 16:54.05 | SpeedEvil | Oringinal schematic, or a delaminated blank board |
| 16:54.07 | mazzen | macmaN, RST38h, thanks for your replay. i mailed them. |
| 16:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'll not delaminate my blank board |
| 16:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | might even be impossible with the 500k vias |
| 16:57.50 | SpeedEvil | sandpaper |
| 16:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 16:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | I already considered drilling/miling out those holes by the Angstrom |
| 17:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly a proper Xray is way better |
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| 17:03.57 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 17:04.58 | piggz | anyone know if qml apps will ever be allowed out of extras-devel? |
| 17:06.13 | Venemo | piggz, why, they are allowed right now, aren't they? |
| 17:06.39 | GAN900 | piggz, that's up to the maintainers. |
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| 17:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | ...of Qt which will never make it out of extras-devel either? |
| 17:11.03 | piggz | Venemo: GAN900: eg, i see this on my package |
| 17:11.07 | piggz | Warning: Promotion of experimental Qtm based applications (libqtm11 or libqtm-extras) is blocked due to conflicts with stable versions.Warning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked. |
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| 17:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | qtm BWAHAHA |
| 17:12.06 | Venemo | piggz, that is unrelated to QML |
| 17:12.44 | piggz | Venemo: well, not totally unrelated, if you use libqtm-11-declarative |
| 17:13.00 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: explain? |
| 17:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | ..is blocked die to conflicts with missing nuclear battery |
| 17:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | s/die/due/ |
| 17:13.45 | piggz | ? |
| 17:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | qtmob eats battery like candy |
| 17:14.16 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, QtMob is there on default install. |
| 17:14.19 | piggz | well, yes, i did notice that with twimgo |
| 17:14.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, piggz uses an experimental package that conflicts with some regular ones, and that's the matter. |
| 17:14.52 | piggz | Venemo: what is the offical one? |
| 17:14.52 | Venemo | piggz, you'll need folks like X-Fade or achipa to figure this one out |
| 17:15.02 | Venemo | piggz, the one that's in the default install |
| 17:15.19 | piggz | im not ready to promote yet...this is just for future reference |
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| 17:16.40 | piggz | Venemo: i guess its the versions without the -11- in the middle |
| 17:16.49 | piggz | as reported by apt-cache search |
| 17:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | kill qtmob with fire |
| 17:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | a pity that crap made it into default |
| 17:17.47 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: that seems a bit harsh...sure, it could use less battery, but its useful for, eg (im may case) using the acceleromter from qml |
| 17:17.56 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, hey. if they could eliminate the polling-based shit, it would be fine. |
| 17:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | EXACTLY WHAT's USING LIKE 200 POLLS/s |
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| 17:18.27 | Venemo | piggz, in its current implementation, Qt Mobility polls the accelerometer 100 times a second. that's why DocScrutinizer doesn't like it. |
| 17:18.48 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, btw, I asked MohammadAG to reduce that to 50/s for CSSU :P |
| 17:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | that's complete BS |
| 17:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | you need a daemon, that knows about kevents |
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| 17:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | we got one ke-recv |
| 17:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | but that one doesn't care about accelerometer |
| 17:21.33 | piggz | QSensor::setDataRate(int) ? |
| 17:21.36 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, yep, but you can't implement that in a couple of seconds. |
| 17:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | so the only proper fix is to kill filesensor in qtmob and replace it with a kevents-aware concept |
| 17:22.07 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, or maybe _you_ can, but I can't. anyway, why don't you help out with it? |
| 17:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'm helping out a lot with it, but my coder monkey years are like last millenium |
| 17:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | it'd take me some 4 weeks to unknot my fingers when dealing with that git shit, kernel sources, Aspirin, whatnot |
| 17:23.50 | piggz | is -12- any better than -11- ? |
| 17:24.00 | piggz | (in battery usage) |
| 17:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: prolly only root can access kevents |
| 17:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | so fixing Qtmob is kinda impossible |
| 17:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even the driver is borked and doesn't really trigger a kevent for all the things we'd need |
| 17:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | easy to debug, even with gdb, as there are udev tools that work via kevents, and kevents api per definitionem delivers *all* kevents, just those tools filer out the ones not needed for udev |
| 17:28.32 | piggz | well, i'd live to stop and discuss the pros and cons of libqtm, but, i suspect my wife will kick my ass if i dont get ready to go for a meal and cinema ;) thx for the insight |
| 17:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# udevadm monitor |
| 17:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | udevmonitor will print the received events for: |
| 17:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | UDEV the event which udev sends out after rule processing |
| 17:29.41 | DocScrutinizer | UEVENT the kernel uevent |
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| 17:32.30 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, if you make that daemon |
| 17:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/114252/ |
| 17:32.44 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, that will use whatever method you prefer to use |
| 17:33.04 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, then I _promise_ to fix that class in QtM to use your daemon |
| 17:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | I bet |
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| 17:36.20 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: you there? |
| 17:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:36.37 | vi___ | hello |
| 17:36.52 | vi___ | i finally figured out you are joerg on gthe forum |
| 17:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 17:37.40 | vi___ | I also saw that you had a part in writing a script to control the batter charger using the i2ctools package |
| 17:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | Apr 16 19:31:56 IroN900 kernel: [120008.641723] cam_shutter (GPIO 110) is now open |
| 17:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | Apr 16 19:32:45 IroN900 kernel: [120057.329406] cam_shutter (GPIO 110) is now closed |
| 17:38.17 | vi___ | now, as far as i can see the n900 doesnt charge to 4.2 volts |
| 17:38.30 | vi___ | or is bme lying |
| 17:38.32 | vi___ | ? |
| 17:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | Apr 16 19:31:22 IroN900 kernel: [119974.060791] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible |
| 17:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | Apr 16 19:31:22 IroN900 ke_recv[1846]: prop_modified:1889: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_hs_0_mmc_host modified button.state.value |
| 17:39.11 | vi___ | is it worth patching bme to charge to 4.2 volts like fmtx |
| 17:39.18 | vi___ | was patches? |
| 17:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | I bet kernel delivers kevents for cam-shutter as well |
| 17:40.16 | vi___ | what do you think? |
| 17:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | nope, bme *is* charging to ~4.200 (-.005...0.010) mV |
| 17:40.53 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was 4165 |
| 17:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | also the basic charging is completely done based on a script and concept I published |
| 17:41.10 | vi___ | then why does it only ever show values below? |
| 17:41.20 | SpeedEvil | oh - the battery charger / charge controller/sense-resistor thing |
| 17:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:42.41 | vi___ | also |
| 17:42.46 | vi___ | android blows |
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| 17:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | 4165 to 4200 are like 35mV in my book. Will give you something like 30s to 2min longer power-up time, and some weeks if not months less of battery life |
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| 17:44.08 | vi___ | so you dont agree with the voltage vs charge graphs on battery university? |
| 17:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | tose are examples |
| 17:45.18 | vi___ | examples of what? differnt cells? i thought lion cells all behaved the same way |
| 17:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes, arbitrary cell |
| 17:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | nope, every cell has a different chemistry |
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| 17:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's how manufacturers differentiate |
| 17:46.35 | vi___ | so many noobs on TNO |
| 17:46.39 | vi___ | so many noobs on TMO |
| 17:46.48 | Venemo | vi___, indeed |
| 17:46.53 | vi___ | so many nubes on TMO |
| 17:46.58 | vi___ | s0 many nubes on TMO |
| 17:47.33 | jaska | troll.maemo.org |
| 17:47.43 | vi___ | ya! |
| 17:48.26 | vi___ | had my first shot of android yesterday. |
| 17:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~tmo |
| 17:48.28 | apt | tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo |
| 17:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | beeen trolls, morons, err dunno |
| 17:49.05 | vi___ | how to make them go away? |
| 17:49.37 | Venemo | ~nuke TMO's noobs for trolling |
| 17:49.37 | apt | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at TMO's noobs for trolling ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 17:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | echo "127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts |
| 17:50.06 | vi___ | ho ho |
| 17:51.27 | derf | I like 0.0.0.0 even better. |
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| 18:31.52 | pupnik | i love the delecate balancing act of finding the perfect position for usb cable to make contact |
| 18:32.05 | pupnik | delicate :) |
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| 18:36.42 | ruskie | pupnik, why not get it fixed/replaced? |
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| 18:37.35 | pupnik | i'll buy one when i have the cash |
| 18:37.40 | ruskie | hehe |
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| 18:50.30 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Qt Mobility isn't actually that bad |
| 18:50.48 | MohammadAG | the sensor API is shit though |
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| 19:04.55 | Spydemon | does N900 support GTK3 applications ? |
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| 19:13.41 | Venemo | Spydemon, nope |
| 19:14.08 | Venemo | Spydemon, unless you build Gtk3 for it |
| 19:14.16 | Spydemon | ok, thanks ;-) |
| 19:15.00 | Spydemon | I think use GTK2 is easier ^^ |
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| 19:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://thunderpowerrc.com/PDF/THPSafetyWarnings.pdf though for High Power RC model planes, this has quite a good set of numbers and recommendations |
| 19:41.09 | GAN900 | about killed himself wiring in a new thermostat last night. |
| 19:41.34 | GAN900 | The HVAC really needs to standardize a bit. |
| 19:42.00 | RST38h | They are standard |
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| 19:42.06 | GAN900 | +industry |
| 19:42.08 | RST38h | There are 2-3 standard wirings |
| 19:43.26 | RST38h | Doc: scary, dangerous stuff |
| 19:44.03 | GAN900 | Labelling and color seems to vary a lot by manufacturer. |
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| 19:44.40 | RST38h | GAN: The one I once bought had a manual describing how to connect it to each of wirings |
| 19:45.04 | RST38h | Although I do remember looking at it for at least half an hours,before I figured this crap out |
| 19:46.01 | GAN900 | Mine did, too, but it didn't seem to relate much to the old one. |
| 19:46.32 | GAN900 | Didn't help that I didn't want to open up the compressor to check the terminals there, though. |
| 19:46.58 | GAN900 | Despite a couple of false starts, I do now have an HA controlled AC. . . . |
| 19:47.25 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:47.28 | SpeedEvil | HA? |
| 19:47.34 | RST38h | hehe |
| 19:47.36 | GAN900 | Home Automation |
| 19:47.38 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 19:47.43 | GAN900 | INSTEON in my case. |
| 19:47.51 | SpeedEvil | I wish batteries were cheaper. |
| 19:48.07 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to install ~5KWh and charge them on cheap night-time electricity. |
| 19:48.31 | SpeedEvil | It actually breaks even with cheaper LiFePO4 cells. |
| 19:48.35 | SpeedEvil | But breakeven isn't great |
| 19:49.44 | GAN900 | I wish unlimited free energy were a thing. :P |
| 19:50.21 | ShadowJK | I'd need more than 5kWh :-) |
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| 19:50.37 | SpeedEvil | A good heatpump on night-rate electricity also works quite well - into a heatstore. (In principle) |
| 19:52.20 | laasonen | There was about a year ago speak about uncrippled apt. Is the source avalaible somewhere? |
| 19:52.48 | ruskie | how is it crippled? |
| 19:52.50 | ShadowJK | outside temp is 0 - 10C right noe (night/day). The heatpump is doing absolutely nothing 95% of the time. House is mostly passively heated amtm |
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| 19:53.16 | ShadowJK | atm* |
| 19:53.20 | ruskie | I'd like to have HA as well |
| 19:54.22 | laasonen | ruskie: Well you get this error for example, if you try to install something from ovistore without the damn webui: "E: Handler silently failed" |
| 19:54.41 | ShadowJK | ovi is special :-) |
| 19:54.44 | ShadowJK | ignore it |
| 19:54.47 | ruskie | laasonen, ovistore is a pay thing and is blocked normally |
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| 19:55.08 | ruskie | they actually had it fully open at one point and anyone was able to get stuff for free |
| 19:55.30 | laasonen | Well it should be possible to fix and most of the packages there are free. |
| 19:55.48 | ruskie | it's a paywall thing |
| 19:55.50 | ruskie | live with it |
| 19:56.19 | laasonen | :( |
| 19:56.42 | GAN900 | ruskie, it's ridiculously entertaining. |
| 19:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | who's able to line up 5 names of OVI apps here, that are worth to have a look at OVI? |
| 19:57.48 | GAN900 | I ordered some pressure pads to stick under the matresses to control bathroom lights in the middle of the night. |
| 19:57.53 | ruskie | I'm eyeing the conrad fs20 for my HA stuff |
| 19:57.57 | jacekowski | GAN900: next time RTFM |
| 19:58.22 | jacekowski | GAN900: never touch anything that costs more than £10 or has voltages higher than 12V without RTFM |
| 19:58.23 | GAN900 | jacekowski, did, lost the manual for the old thermostat and they didn't have it on the Bryant website. |
| 19:58.53 | jacekowski | well, thermostat is just 2 wires |
| 19:58.53 | laasonen | DocScrutinizer: sharing-service-ftp is the only sharing plugin I use. |
| 19:59.06 | jacekowski | or is it whole controller thing? |
| 19:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: fs20 is the poor man's homematic |
| 19:59.11 | laasonen | Nothing similar on maemo.org :( |
| 19:59.40 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, your point? as long as it works... |
| 19:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | fs20 is braindead |
| 20:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | homematic costs more than gold OTOH |
| 20:00.36 | ruskie | care to elaborate how it is braindead? |
| 20:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | they are NOT compatible |
| 20:00.56 | ruskie | with what? |
| 20:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | RTFM and you' |
| 20:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | ll see |
| 20:01.07 | ruskie | with eachother? |
| 20:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:01.18 | ruskie | you mean fs20 units with eachother? |
| 20:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 20:01.32 | DocScrutinizer | fs20 with homematic |
| 20:01.40 | ruskie | and why would I care about that? |
| 20:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | just because? |
| 20:02.06 | GAN900 | jacekowski, yes, thank you, I'm not 12. :) |
| 20:02.39 | GAN900 | jacekowski, thermostat mine is 8 wires. |
| 20:02.44 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - superinsulation which I'msort-of-doing makesthe hreatpump a lot less needed. |
| 20:02.49 | jacekowski | GAN900: that's overkill |
| 20:02.54 | jacekowski | GAN900: what are these wires for? |
| 20:03.18 | GAN900 | fan, heat pump, 2nd stage heat, power, common, outdoor temp, |
| 20:03.28 | ruskie | http://fhz4linux.info/tiki-index.php?page=HomeMatic <-- I love the description here |
| 20:03.30 | jacekowski | so it's for whole controller |
| 20:03.32 | jacekowski | not just thermostat |
| 20:03.39 | ruskie | HomeMatic is the overpriced, insecure, wireless home automation system using the BidCos ® home-brew-protocol. |
| 20:04.15 | GAN900 | Generally speaking, the device which sits on the wall and tells the AC unit what to do has been referred to as a "thermostat". |
| 20:04.18 | laasonen | Found it goodbye ovi.com =) |
| 20:04.29 | GAN900 | Both by manufacturers and HVAC specialists. |
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| 20:05.20 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, basically both homematic and fs20 have the same security issues though |
| 20:05.51 | GAN900 | ruskie, US or EU? |
| 20:05.56 | ruskie | GAN900, EU |
| 20:06.00 | GAN900 | Ah |
| 20:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | not at all, ruskie |
| 20:06.06 | GAN900 | has no useful opinion, then. |
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| 20:06.33 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, obviously heatpump is more efficient, down to -28C or so |
| 20:06.40 | GAN900 | I /really/ like INSTEON on 110v. Although it's proprietary and expensive. |
| 20:06.46 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, but same security issues as known from FS20 will remain (BidCos ® is also not record and replay safe). |
| 20:06.48 | ShadowJK | (than direct electric heating) |
| 20:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | homematic is duplex OTA, while FS20 has a unidirectional simple remote comtrol |
| 20:07.24 | GAN900 | Duplex is a must-have. |
| 20:07.28 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Economically, it beats even gas here - in theory, neglecting thegas cost. |
| 20:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: BidCos isn't, but the DES used for the doorlocker should be safe |
| 20:07.48 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: that is - night rate power into a thermal capacitor |
| 20:08.08 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, and I would wire my door why exactly? |
| 20:08.16 | ruskie | I'm to paranoid for that |
| 20:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | just because? |
| 20:08.36 | ruskie | at most I would modify a roomba with a grip to lock/unlock via ssh to it... |
| 20:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | do you like me to configure an autoresponder? |
| 20:08.55 | ruskie | hehe |
| 20:09.07 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, "neglecting gas cost"? |
| 20:09.22 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: oops - neglecting heat pump cost |
| 20:09.32 | ShadowJK | right |
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| 20:10.35 | GAN900 | just has to dial in the motion detectors so they stop picking up the cat. |
| 20:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 20:11.23 | ruskie | hehe |
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| 20:12.59 | ruskie | I'm mostly looking at this for per room heating(having a PC managing all temps and opening closing valves and running the heater), window shading(just on/off) and some other such minor things(maybe lighting as well)... |
| 20:13.43 | ruskie | and I know the fs20 can be controlled from a linux box |
| 20:13.59 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, and how do you plan to control lighting manually? |
| 20:14.08 | ruskie | manually? |
| 20:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | eeek, light switches |
| 20:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | nooooo we want to search fresh batteries for the remote in the dark |
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| 20:15.54 | ruskie | I'd basically replace the plugs with the fs20 radio switches |
| 20:16.21 | ruskie | and no... there would still be touch switches around... |
| 20:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, there's where hmematic starts being way smarter than FS20 |
| 20:16.26 | ruskie | hooked to mains |
| 20:16.32 | ruskie | how so? |
| 20:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | RTFM |
| 20:17.00 | ruskie | I thought you knew this... |
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| 20:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | I know small controllers that fit into installation pots in the wall, and can get controlled via hardwired switches as well as via RC |
| 20:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | and send back their state (and good/fail state of lamp) to the central controller |
| 20:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | hell, afaik you can't even indivisulally address FS20 |
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| 20:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | the addr is like <t_switch><t_light><add:0..15> |
| 20:20.46 | ruskie | well that sounds like individual addressing |
| 20:20.52 | pupnik | it's amazing how different the n900 screen looks compared to my laptop when adapting color curves |
| 20:20.53 | ruskie | well the FS20TC6 looks nice for a switch... |
| 20:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | maybe like <room:0..15><switch:0..15> |
| 20:21.19 | ruskie | still more than enough |
| 20:21.26 | ruskie | it's not like I have a mansion |
| 20:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | yeah sure, if you want to have a "dark room", a "romantic room" and a "bright room" |
| 20:22.10 | GAN900 | Duplex is a thing you want. |
| 20:22.10 | ruskie | I think I have 15 light switches in the entire appartment |
| 20:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: definitely |
| 20:22.43 | ruskie | atm the FS20 is the only thing I really found interesting... |
| 20:23.00 | ruskie | baing able to use a linux server to control it is a must though for me... |
| 20:23.08 | ruskie | so any system that won't let me do that is a no-go from the start |
| 20:25.23 | pupnik | hmm |
| 20:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | homematic is network-enabled |
| 20:26.12 | ruskie | and the FS20 has an USB control point available |
| 20:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | and they have all the same lookalikes as FS20, pus twice as much new stuff |
| 20:26.34 | ruskie | fhz 1300 or fhz 1300wlan if wanted... |
| 20:27.07 | ruskie | to me it looks like fs20 has a lot more options than homematic... but then it's conrad so they might be adjusting |
| 20:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | btw the controller central runs linux :-) |
| 20:27.35 | ruskie | root? open? |
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| 20:31.05 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/ (click "system" and "produkte") |
| 20:31.31 | ruskie | flash required... |
| 20:32.13 | ruskie | frankly I haven't decided on anything yet... |
| 20:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=zentrale |
| 20:32.44 | ruskie | thanks |
| 20:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=fbedienung http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=pp http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=uputz |
| 20:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=150 |
| 20:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=156 |
| 20:35.12 | ruskie | yeah the links show up after the initial page |
| 20:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.homematic.com/fileadmin/pdfs/einleitungen/HM_XmlRpc_V1_502__2_.pdf |
| 20:41.53 | ruskie | haha amusing EULA... |
| 20:45.56 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.41 | GAN900 | I need to find a good home intercom/pa. |
| 20:48.10 | ruskie | such a big place? |
| 20:48.26 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZQPjUT5B4 Bubble Sort hungarian folk dance |
| 20:48.47 | SpeedEvil | I wonder what that'll do if passed a filename of "http://a.media.stream/\" -streamdump ~/.profile/" |
| 20:48.49 | ruskie | the DECT phone I have has built in interphone calling |
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| 20:50.21 | internetishard | how many of you have overclocked your n900s? |
| 20:50.23 | ruskie | so all the phones linked to the same base station have builtin intercom |
| 20:50.52 | pupnik | i did to see if it felt different |
| 20:52.16 | internetishard | pupnik: so was it way more responsive? |
| 20:52.33 | internetishard | Also, is the responsiveness bottleneck not just the processor? |
| 20:52.43 | pupnik | no it didn't do much for me |
| 20:53.15 | pupnik | if i were playing games that were on the edge of smooth , i'd do it |
| 20:53.19 | pupnik | *emulators |
| 20:54.17 | internetishard | I mostly want to make things come up quicker when I click. Also, opening conversations (sms) with people I've talked to a lot, it takes a while to load... Maybe it should just archive the old txt msgs somewhere and only have the window load a certain amount of history |
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| 20:54.35 | GAN900 | ruskie, well, I'd want to wire speakers into about 4 rooms for audible feedback. |
| 20:54.53 | jacekowski | internetishard: overclocking kills your device |
| 20:55.06 | jacekowski | internetishard: and for so short peaks like that it won't help at all |
| 20:55.22 | ruskie | GAN900, ahhh... |
| 20:55.56 | internetishard | jacekowski: I figured something similar was the case. Judging by some blogs/how-tos, one might think it is trivial and harmless |
| 20:57.22 | jacekowski | internetishard: there used to be a lot of people here asking how to fix their phones after OC |
| 20:57.55 | internetishard | Were they successful? |
| 20:58.01 | jacekowski | no |
| 20:58.58 | pupnik | when they handed out the prototypes, the engineer said to the assembled conference... "DONT overclock" |
| 20:59.16 | internetishard | Interesting |
| 20:59.19 | pupnik | or more specifically "don't overclock these" |
| 20:59.42 | pupnik | which makes sense, as they were property of nokia |
| 20:59.56 | jacekowski | internetishard: even running at 600MHz shortens life of cpu |
| 21:00.22 | jacekowski | internetishard: and if for some reason you would make it run constantly at 600MHz it would die after couple weeks |
| 21:00.24 | internetishard | Do you phones idle at 20% cpu @ 250mhz? |
| 21:01.23 | pupnik | how are you measuring cpu use? |
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| 21:01.28 | internetishard | conky |
| 21:01.39 | jacekowski | internetishard: yes |
| 21:02.00 | internetishard | I also always have pidgin running; If I didn't I wouldn't care to use this phone |
| 21:02.12 | jacekowski | why? |
| 21:02.25 | jacekowski | builtin telepathy is more than adequate |
| 21:02.41 | internetishard | let's me stay online with gtalk, msn, aim, etc and manage and communicate in a consolidated fassion |
| 21:02.52 | ruskie | so same as builtin telepathy |
| 21:02.53 | internetishard | I also look forward to getting the OTR pluggin for pidgin working again |
| 21:03.19 | pupnik | internetishard: you're a more advanced user of computers than I am in many ways |
| 21:03.40 | internetishard | Me? |
| 21:03.50 | jacekowski | internetishard: and use a lot of electricity |
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| 21:03.57 | jacekowski | internetishard: jabber + telepathy + transport |
| 21:04.07 | internetishard | I don't follow |
| 21:04.07 | jacekowski | internetishard: and i can do 3 days without charging with good winds |
| 21:04.08 | pupnik | yes you are fluent in modern, up to date usage patterns and services |
| 21:04.18 | ruskie | hahaha |
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| 21:04.37 | internetishard | what are telepathy and transport in maemo? |
| 21:04.51 | pupnik | if a program is younger than 10 years old it is 'new' to me |
| 21:04.59 | ruskie | transport is jabber transport |
| 21:05.12 | ruskie | something that runs on the jabber server and provides a gateway between $random protocol and jabber |
| 21:05.17 | ruskie | i.e. msn<>jabber etc... |
| 21:05.29 | ruskie | telepathy is the messaging subsystem on the n900 |
| 21:05.38 | internetishard | So you're saying run a server with msn, aim, etc - and pipe it through jabber to my phone? |
| 21:05.42 | ruskie | does smses, jabber, etc... on the n900 |
| 21:06.25 | ruskie | it's integrated into the conversations app |
| 21:09.07 | jacekowski | internetishard: yeah |
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| 21:12.16 | internetishard | hmmm. I would like to have the logs for all of my IM protocols stored in one place. My desktop would have pidgin, my server somehow would have the IM protocols I need and run it to my phone through jabber (what would this be)... Can you think of a good way to consolidate logs and stuff? |
| 21:12.39 | ruskie | you would get all the logs in conversations |
| 21:12.45 | ruskie | nothing would be on the server |
| 21:13.31 | ruskie | jabber would be conversations |
| 21:13.36 | internetishard | ruskie, so what would I run on the server for gtalk, aim, msn, and irc? |
| 21:13.58 | ruskie | you would use a jabber server... you would not need to actually run anything |
| 21:14.02 | ruskie | just connect to a jabber account |
| 21:14.15 | ruskie | and connect through that to gateways|transports for other protocols |
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| 21:56.33 | Wizzup | internetishard: tried bitlbee? |
| 21:56.42 | internetishard | not yet |
| 21:56.46 | Wizzup | uses irc instead of jabber though |
| 21:56.56 | internetishard | for all protocols? |
| 21:57.00 | Wizzup | all |
| 21:57.11 | internetishard | Definitely gotta check it then |
| 21:57.23 | Wizzup | well, all that are supported. :) |
| 21:57.38 | Wizzup | I use irssi as irc client to it, irssi logs it all |
| 21:57.57 | Wizzup | gone |
| 21:58.07 | internetishard | but for all the IM protocols? |
| 21:58.19 | Wizzup | yes |
| 21:58.22 | internetishard | irssi via bitlee for that oo? |
| 21:58.37 | Wizzup | yes |
| 21:58.52 | internetishard | Doesn't irssi suck as an IM client? |
| 21:58.57 | Wizzup | I run irssi on server, ssh to it |
| 21:59.05 | Wizzup | Does it? :p |
| 21:59.06 | internetishard | chatting with lots of people with pidgin is a lot easier,eh? |
| 21:59.20 | internetishard | usability on a touch phone? |
| 21:59.29 | Wizzup | true |
| 21:59.37 | Wizzup | it's keyboard only |
| 21:59.49 | Wizzup | well, it's my solution anyway :) |
| 22:00.19 | internetishard | I wonder if OTR can work that way |
| 22:00.28 | Wizzup | otr works with bitlbee |
| 22:00.44 | internetishard | irssi -> ssh -> bitlee -> otr -> IM friends |
| 22:01.07 | internetishard | I mean, how would it work with the n900/server config |
| 22:01.27 | Wizzup | ssh -> screen -> irssi -> bitlbee -> otr -> im |
| 22:01.34 | internetishard | oh |
| 22:01.35 | internetishard | okay |
| 22:01.50 | internetishard | ssh with screen stay connected pretty well with 2g/3g? |
| 22:01.55 | Wizzup | on n900 just ssh and then open the screen |
| 22:02.07 | Wizzup | well, you run irssi on the server |
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| 22:02.14 | Wizzup | so yeah :p |
| 22:02.25 | internetishard | Interesting solution |
| 22:02.38 | Wizzup | gone for real :) |
| 22:02.39 | internetishard | I wonder if I should do the same for my laptop and desktop |
| 22:02.47 | internetishard | k |
| 22:03.52 | ShadowJK | does irssi[irssi_proxy]-openvpn-...-openvpn-xchat, seamless irc even when n900 changes from 3g to wifi |
| 22:05.31 | internetishard | Don't get it ShadowJK, doesn't the ip change from wifi to 3g? |
| 22:05.31 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:05.31 | ShadowJK | but I always connect to 10.2.4.5 |
| 22:05.31 | internetishard | Oh, you're saying irssi running on the server will manage your disconnection and keep you up to date with its own irc connection |
| 22:05.34 | ShadowJK | no |
| 22:05.35 | internetishard | what's 10.2.4.5? |
| 22:05.42 | ShadowJK | vpn :) |
| 22:06.08 | ShadowJK | openvpn handles the changing address |
| 22:09.09 | internetishard | that is a version number for openvpn? |
| 22:09.16 | internetishard | man, my geekiness if fading |
| 22:09.38 | ShadowJK | it's an IP address |
| 22:09.52 | ShadowJK | 10.x.x.x is for private use |
| 22:11.06 | ShadowJK | Basically it's a tunnel to my server, 10.2.4.x goes through tunnel. The tunnel end points might change, but the address used inside stay constant |
| 22:12.31 | ShadowJK | virtual private network :) |
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| 22:21.08 | internetishard | but the 3g ip is going to be vastly different from anything you can control on your wifi networks, ShadowJK |
| 22:21.19 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:21.29 | ShadowJK | my wifi network is 192.168 |
| 22:21.51 | ShadowJK | my vpn is 10.x.x.x |
| 22:24.16 | ShadowJK | my wifi router is 10.x.x.2, my N810 is 10.x.x.3, my N900 is 10.x.x.4, my server is 10.x.x.1. My server is in holland, wifi lan in finland, and N810/N900 can be anywhere since they run their own openvpn, as long as there's internet, openvpn makes sure 10.x.x.1 is my server from whatever device I use |
| 22:25.30 | ShadowJK | sleeps |
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| 22:37.26 | vi__ | meegoo delayed |
| 22:37.32 | vi__ | orly? |
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| 22:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: <DocScrutinizer> http://thunderpowerrc.com/PDF/THPSafetyWarnings.pdf though for High Power RC model planes, this has quite a good set of numbers and recommendations |
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| 22:53.43 | dangergrrl | someone have sip who would help me try something? |
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