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| 00:27.48 | MohammadAG | e-yes, isn't barbados an island? |
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| 00:35.41 | sid | hi, i just broke my usb connector at n900 (it was plugged in) |
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| 00:36.39 | chx | sid: call Nokia. We symphatize. Sorry there's nothing mere mortals can do as far as i know |
| 00:36.56 | sid | i will open it tomorrow. but is there a second pin where i can solder a new one |
| 00:38.15 | sid | chx: its clearly not a guaranty issue; but it can e.g start without problems; |
| 00:38.39 | chx | from what i saw there is no way to fix |
| 00:38.53 | chx | but i am not the usual channel gods, they are i think asleep |
| 00:38.58 | sid | i ask for charging and uploading fw; those 4 usb pins |
| 00:39.46 | sid | thx. will ask tomorrow after i opened it again |
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| 01:26.11 | Sazpaimon_ | so did anyone switch to the new tmobile unlimited plan today? |
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| 02:43.54 | iluminator101 | Hi, I cannot move a 6 gig files into n900 for storage why, it say file too large, how can i change this? |
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| 02:45.19 | smith | fat32 don't support >4Gb files |
| 02:46.46 | iluminator101 | n900 files system is fat32?? |
| 02:47.30 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 02:47.42 | SpeedEvil | For the big partition anyway |
| 02:48.09 | cehteh | mine not :P |
| 02:49.11 | SpeedEvil | Well - unless you screw with it |
| 02:49.59 | iluminator101 | cehteh, how did you change it? did you install ccsu? |
| 02:49.59 | cehteh | does the titan kernel have linear raid level? ... then you can glue serveral files (loop devices) together :P |
| 02:50.27 | cehteh | iluminator101: cssu yes .. but thats unrelated |
| 02:50.48 | cehteh | there are some documents how to reformat the filessystems, not as easy as you may think |
| 02:50.57 | cehteh | nokia fucked it up :P |
| 02:51.04 | iluminator101 | cehteh, can you upgrade to ccsu or do i have to do a clean install |
| 02:51.15 | cehteh | with the stock kernel iirc only ext2 ext3 are options |
| 02:51.24 | cehteh | i use ext4 and the titan kernel |
| 02:52.14 | cehteh | i can upgrade to anything .. but that doesnt mean you can :P .. needs some linux knowledge, tinkering and sacrifice of unicorns and virgins at full moon |
| 02:52.41 | cehteh | means: if you fuck your device up, dont blame me |
| 02:52.52 | iluminator101 | cehteh, i am running debian, i think i know what i am doing |
| 02:53.05 | cehteh | well :) |
| 02:53.30 | cehteh | ok .. so try it on your own or follow some receipe from maemo.org |
| 02:53.55 | cehteh | there are scripts which regenerate the fstab and these are broken |
| 02:54.02 | iluminator101 | cehteh, i was thinking btrfs for the files system you know |
| 02:54.03 | cehteh | you have to fix or disable them |
| 02:54.14 | cehteh | do not use btrfs .. its too unstable |
| 02:54.43 | cehteh | got a kernel panic yesterday when trying it again on a external hdd :P |
| 02:55.01 | iluminator101 | meego runs btrfs |
| 02:55.02 | cehteh | there are way to much known issues to use it for anything but playing |
| 02:55.28 | cehteh | and? does that fix the issues? |
| 02:55.53 | cehteh | i mean i am not anti btrfs .. i would quite like it.. but it is not ready yet |
| 02:56.09 | iluminator101 | well thing i dont like about meego is that it uses rpm's |
| 02:56.37 | cehteh | dunno if chris finished the fsck yet ... |
| 02:57.09 | cehteh | btrfs-progs-unstable# git remote update |
| 02:57.09 | cehteh | Fetching origin |
| 02:57.13 | cehteh | .. lets see :) |
| 02:58.06 | cehteh | anyways ... btrfs is still prone to filesystem corruption on kernel crash or power loss |
| 02:58.33 | cehteh | and that doesnt mean just loosing the last written data .. that means a really dead filesystem without easy revovery |
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| 03:03.06 | iluminator101 | did they ever release Harmattan |
| 03:04.12 | cehteh | thats what will become the meego os from nokia iirc |
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| 03:14.07 | iluminator101 | thanks bbl |
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| 03:54.37 | zetaPRIME | ...okay, I have no idea if I really want to ask this here, but... |
| 03:55.03 | zetaPRIME | does maemo use X? (cue thrown tomatos etc.) |
| 03:57.10 | keithzg | Yup yup. |
| 03:57.26 | keithzg | Standard stack all the way, pretty much (at least when compared to heretics like Android). |
| 03:58.28 | zetaPRIME | so it would be relatively easy to make a compatibility layer (or not even need one) to run Maemo things on another form of ARM linux? |
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| 03:59.13 | keithzg | Yeah all you'd need would be to port over the right libraries. And most of those were ported *to* Maemo in the first place ;) |
| 03:59.14 | zetaPRIME | ...assuming Maemo pre-MeeGo is ARM, again I wouldn't know, I'm completely new to this |
| 03:59.24 | keithzg | Yeah it's all ARM. |
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| 03:59.54 | keithzg | But that's not even much of a sticking point, most of the user apps aren't really hooking into anything deep enough for the arch to matter so much AFAIK. |
| 04:00.59 | zetaPRIME | ...would it be possible (without having to hack drivers etc.) to run Maemo on most Android phones? |
| 04:01.18 | keithzg | Hells no. That's why Android's so troublesome. |
| 04:01.39 | zetaPRIME | what exactly is the problem? |
| 04:01.52 | zetaPRIME | display drivers? baseband interaction? |
| 04:01.59 | keithzg | Yes, yes, and more. |
| 04:02.28 | keithzg | Making matters worse, until recently most Android-specific drivers wouldn't work with the mainline kernel, since the Google devs refused to play ball. |
| 04:03.06 | keithzg | Recently the mainline kernel added a compatible lock system so in theory things are more compatible. |
| 04:03.23 | zetaPRIME | what about just phones officially supported by CyanogenMOD? Could there be some sort of kernel compatibility layer to make X work on an Android kernel? |
| 04:04.13 | keithzg | I've heard it's possible to run X11 on Android, but I've yet to see any practical application thereof. I could be entirely wrong though. |
| 04:04.27 | zetaPRIME | I've tried the whole chroot debian+vnc thing on my Droid, but WAAAAAAAAAY TOO SLOW |
| 04:04.36 | keithzg | heh yeah no kidding |
| 04:05.39 | keithzg | People have gotten Ubuntu and such to run on the Galaxy Tab, though, and I know the Tab is nearly identical internals to the rest of the Galaxy S line, but as far as I know the drivers for GSM etc are all proprietary blobs |
| 04:06.18 | keithzg | Hell, to run MeeGo on the N900 it took Nokia devs working under NDAs to add compatible drivers . . . |
| 04:08.11 | zetaPRIME | ...is there any quick package to emulate Maemo on a Windows machine? |
| 04:08.43 | keithzg | There's a virtualbox image with the Maemo scratchbox SDK pre-installed. |
| 04:09.22 | keithzg | It's an image of Ubuntu, that is to say, with the SDK for Maemo that can then run the environment or individual apps using the SDK. |
| 04:09.55 | zetaPRIME | but no ARM emulator to simulate an actual device? |
| 04:10.21 | keithzg | Not as far as I know, no. |
| 04:10.32 | keithzg | But they're only $350 on Amazon.com ;) |
| 04:10.53 | zetaPRIME | if I'm going to spend anything it's going to be on a Pandora |
| 04:10.54 | zetaPRIME | so |
| 04:11.35 | psycho_oreos | there's that old madde environment, laggy as hell but it can show you some of fremantle's capabilities |
| 04:12.51 | keithzg | Scratchbox does simulate the environment fully. I mean, it isn't actually ARM then technically, but it is quick and it works. |
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| 05:02.43 | Termana | good morning |
| 05:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | moo Termana |
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| 05:19.44 | chx | how did you guys found that moo song ? |
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| 05:40.40 | slonopotamus | hmm... for some reason my n900 doesn't work (doesn't connect and doesn't send/receive data if was already connected) in "3G" mode (though works in 2G, 2.5, 3.5) |
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| 06:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 06:32.41 | Sazpaimon_ | eh |
| 06:32.56 | Sazpaimon_ | anyone see the C6 commercial for tmobile? |
| 06:33.28 | Sazpaimon_ | C7, whatever |
| 06:33.51 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO5UVIwQj_o |
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| 07:11.36 | mece | where is the planet maemo feed? |
| 07:13.44 | mece | nvrmind. found it. http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/rss.xml |
| 07:17.30 | Venemo | good morning |
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| 07:20.15 | mece | Venemo, o/ |
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| 07:23.53 | Venemo | o/ |
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| 08:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W22JccSTDtk&feature=BFa&list=SPE3D764A5AFBFB9D6&index=1 nice adds |
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| 08:34.17 | Venemo | morning DocScrutinizer :) |
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| 08:44.51 | MohammadAG | morning |
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| 09:02.05 | crashanddie | GAN900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CDLBTJD4M |
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| 09:06.31 | Khertan | Hello |
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| 09:08.29 | mece | I really really want a bridge building game for N900. Right fracking now. |
| 09:09.39 | mece | Played X Construction on my friends android and I wanted to tear my hair out because of the stupid capacitive screen. Turns out there are very few open source bridge building games out there. |
| 09:09.58 | MohammadAG | Been wondering about Nokia's argument on why they won't open up closed components |
| 09:10.19 | MohammadAG | I rewrote the mediaplayer, can't other companies do the same? |
| 09:13.04 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, it's live? |
| 09:13.29 | MohammadAG | no, planning to make an alpha release today |
| 09:14.09 | MohammadAG | but I mean, Nokia's argument was that if they opened up components other companies can benefit |
| 09:14.45 | MohammadAG | and nicolai did the same with camera-ui |
| 09:14.55 | MohammadAG | and he made it better |
| 09:18.12 | Khertan | MohammadAG: really better :) |
| 09:18.37 | MohammadAG | yeah, doesn't that null nokia's argument? |
| 09:18.54 | Khertan | > MohammadAG: but I mean, Nokia's argument was that if they opened up components other companies can benefit < this smell that some manager didn't like open source |
| 09:20.10 | ruskie | or some lawyer |
| 09:20.38 | MohammadAG | so it's complete BS |
| 09:20.38 | mece | whoa! Taken with N900 apparently... http://www.flickr.com/photos/sprockers/5310233788 |
| 09:20.44 | MohammadAG | the backends are open |
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| 09:20.48 | mece | MohammadAG, without a doubt. |
| 09:21.20 | MohammadAG | I like how you can change the metadata with the open source cam |
| 09:21.27 | MohammadAG | (in the source that is) |
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| 09:24.12 | alterego | hat pic is gorgeous :) |
| 09:24.16 | alterego | that .. |
| 09:25.53 | mece | alterego, sure is. |
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| 09:26.32 | Venemo | good morning MohammadAG :) |
| 09:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: no, the argument mostly been "we don't have (C) on several of those blobs. And we don't want anybody (users) to mess with the look and feel anyway" |
| 09:27.41 | MohammadAG | morning Venemo |
| 09:28.19 | Khertan | DocScrutinizer but they have already mess the look and feel |
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| 09:31.00 | chadi | What is the password for 'user'? |
| 09:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | none |
| 09:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | root; passwd user |
| 09:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | NB not <empty> but none (no password will work) |
| 09:35.42 | chadi | thank you :-) |
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| 09:46.59 | Khertan | --- a/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp |
| 09:46.59 | Khertan | +++ b/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp |
| 09:46.59 | Khertan | @@ -1551,7 +1551,7 @@ void QTextControlPrivate::mousePressEvent(QEvent *e, Qt::MouseButton button, con |
| 09:46.59 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.59 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.00 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.00 | Khertan | - else if (wordSelectionEnabled) |
| 09:47.01 | Khertan | + else if (!wordSelectionEnabled) |
| 09:47.01 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.02 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.02 | Khertan | oups ... sorry |
| 09:48.22 | chadi | is something wrong with giving a 0 duration in transitions.ini? phone shut down after killall hildon-desktop |
| 09:50.50 | Khertan | MohammadAG: i've one error related to the selection but i think it s not the only one |
| 09:51.10 | Khertan | as i didn't have sb installed i can't compile to test |
| 09:51.31 | MohammadAG | that's the only diff? |
| 09:51.41 | Khertan | ah yes :) |
| 09:51.48 | Khertan | only i found |
| 09:52.00 | Khertan | but it s probably not enough |
| 09:53.26 | Khertan | qml is again culprit :) |
| 09:53.43 | MohammadAG | building |
| 09:54.38 | MohammadAG | linking |
| 09:55.15 | chadi | btw, anybody experienced alarm issues with the latest CSSU? |
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| 09:55.31 | MohammadAG | we didn't change anything related to alarms |
| 09:55.36 | MohammadAG | in fact, we can't, it's closed source |
| 09:56.04 | chadi | I noticed that in the wiki, but I wonder why that happened :/ |
| 09:57.03 | chadi | and I can't reproduce the problem anyway :-P |
| 09:58.24 | MohammadAG | Khertan, testing |
| 09:58.29 | Khertan | ... tada ? |
| 09:58.41 | MohammadAG | idk, still unpacking the deb |
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| 10:00.31 | MohammadAG | nope |
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| 10:02.58 | MohammadAG | Khertan, it's a painting issue, selection works fine |
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| 10:03.36 | Khertan | MohammadAG: in fact nope ... shift selection isn't working fine :) |
| 10:04.04 | Khertan | and yes now i'm sure it s a painting issue |
| 10:04.05 | Khertan | thx |
| 10:05.08 | MohammadAG | shift works fine for me |
| 10:05.21 | MohammadAG | you can still CTRL+C and CTRL+V |
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| 10:07.36 | Khertan | (12:05:33) MohammadAG: shift works fine for me not everytime |
| 10:10.00 | Khertan | MohammadAG: did you know any efficient gui for reading git commit tree on windows ? |
| 10:10.10 | FauxFaux | gitk --all |
| 10:10.25 | Khertan | (ms windows) |
| 10:10.40 | MohammadAG | Nope, I don't use windows |
| 10:10.41 | FauxFaux | gitk --all |
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| 10:20.50 | Khertan | MohammadAG: my patch was already in 4.7.4 :) |
| 10:21.12 | MohammadAG | Khertan, which one? |
| 10:22.05 | Khertan | (11:47:23) Khertan: - else if (wordSelectionEnabled) |
| 10:22.06 | Khertan | (11:47:23) Khertan: + else if (!wordSelectionEnabled) |
| 10:23.01 | MohammadAG | but that's not related |
| 10:25.04 | Khertan | true |
| 10:25.43 | Venemo | seems that I'm using DocScrutinizer's favourite word a lot these times |
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| 10:26.26 | Venemo | LibreOffice is totally and completely FUBAR |
| 10:26.40 | ruskie | is it? |
| 10:26.43 | ruskie | works for me |
| 10:26.51 | ruskie | but then I rarely use it |
| 10:26.54 | Khertan | Venemo: ? |
| 10:27.24 | Venemo | it took me half an hour to get LibreOffice Writer to let me move a picture in a document to a place where I wanted it. |
| 10:27.46 | Venemo | no matter where I dragged it, it just jumped back to its original position. |
| 10:28.10 | Venemo | and if I was able to drag it to the right place and it stayed, it forgot the change after I saved and reloaded the document. |
| 10:28.11 | Khertan | didn't have such problem with it ... but got same with msword |
| 10:28.30 | Venemo | now I'm trying to export the styles from one document to another |
| 10:28.32 | Khertan | so it s maybe a word feature implemented in latest version of LibreOffice Writer |
| 10:28.39 | trx | lol |
| 10:28.40 | Venemo | and again, it doesn't let me do that |
| 10:28.46 | Venemo | lol Khertan :D |
| 10:30.39 | Khertan | MohammadAG: did you think it can be that : https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/fd8183129d0efe99e0d28f524264c59fb9155b80 |
| 10:30.41 | Khertan | ? |
| 10:30.45 | ruskie | pictures should not exist in documents |
| 10:30.54 | Khertan | true |
| 10:31.08 | ruskie | is tired I have problem with app here's a picture -> .doc|.docx erm... WTF??? |
| 10:31.26 | Khertan | MohammadAG: in fact no |
| 10:31.27 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:31.44 | Venemo | ruskie, wasn't my decision to make this, but this is the requirement. |
| 10:32.08 | MohammadAG | no |
| 10:32.55 | Khertan | probably something under QTextDocument::drawContents |
| 10:32.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:34.25 | MohammadAG | and of course, #qt isn't of much help |
| 10:34.34 | Khertan | of course :) |
| 10:34.53 | MohammadAG | already asked |
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| 10:35.32 | Khertan | i imagine |
| 10:36.39 | MohammadAG | twice, once yesterday and once today |
| 10:37.28 | Khertan | :) |
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| 10:38.04 | MohammadAG | you could try asking, see if anyone replies |
| 10:38.33 | MohammadAG | I feel like stabbing Qt Mobility's devs |
| 10:38.50 | trx | haha |
| 10:39.40 | Khertan | i feel that qml is trojan horse for breaking qt |
| 10:39.41 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:41.46 | MohammadAG | Qt is an excellent concept |
| 10:41.59 | MohammadAG | Qt Mobility bases on that, executes that concept in quite a shitty way |
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| 10:42.33 | MohammadAG | QML isn't bad |
| 10:42.38 | Khertan | it is |
| 10:43.06 | MohammadAG | but then again, web devs should stick to web development |
| 10:43.20 | Khertan | exactly |
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| 10:52.29 | Khertan | Update copyright year to 2011. .... |
| 10:52.30 | Khertan | pfff |
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| 10:53.49 | MohammadAG | yeah, that made the commit log worse |
| 10:54.13 | MohammadAG | so did changing the license from commercial to non-commercial and back to commercial |
| 10:54.16 | MohammadAG | or the other way round |
| 10:58.04 | Khertan | MohammadAG: did you have any idea at which date i can ignore commit ? |
| 10:58.15 | Khertan | before 2011 it was 4.7.0 right ? |
| 10:58.28 | MohammadAG | september |
| 10:58.39 | MohammadAG | is the one included in PR1.3 |
| 10:58.47 | Khertan | ah ... thanks |
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| 11:03.35 | Khertan | https://gitorious.org/~khertan/community-ssu/khertans-qt-x11-maemo/commit/34c297faca93e1286573b2a01127e4e7af00aff2 <<< except that which is not related |
| 11:04.00 | Khertan | i'm starting to doubt if this is not only a maemo customization which brings the problem |
| 11:04.14 | Khertan | like the completion or something else |
| 11:09.41 | MohammadAG | hmm, does text completion work? |
| 11:11.16 | MohammadAG | completion highlights text fine |
| 11:16.26 | Khertan | indeed |
| 11:16.27 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:16.45 | Khertan | and as there that works |
| 11:16.52 | Khertan | and as only that works ... |
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| 11:19.56 | Khertan | The Qt Merge commit look like a plan of Paris's Metro line |
| 11:20.15 | Dibblah | Well, that answers that question. Every part of this N900 fake "display model" case is custom engineered. |
| 11:23.50 | SpeedEvil | Wow. |
| 11:25.18 | Venemo | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-posters-you-can-do-anything-you-put-your-mind-to.jpg |
| 11:28.05 | Dibblah | And yes, that *includes* the keyboard, the surrounding metal for the screen, etc. |
| 11:28.50 | Dibblah | Even the black metal screen panel is faked. |
| 11:29.48 | Dibblah | Woo hoo - The stylus is compatible. |
| 11:33.44 | mece | Khertan, hey I seem to be suffering from some khteditor problems. The "current line" is always invisible. Is there a way to configure (disable) the highlight line feature? |
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| 11:50.39 | Khertan | mece: say thx to Qt 4.7.2 and his bug : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 |
| 11:51.18 | Khertan | mece: this is what i m trying to fix in qt |
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| 12:16.56 | Khertan | MohammadAG: "Any input on where painting is done would be helpful, as there doesn't seem to be much activity on Maemo 5 bug reports." <<< oh really ... noone didn't care |
| 12:17.40 | MohammadAG | Khertan, they don't give two shits, a bug report that was fixed is still unconfirmed |
| 12:17.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:17.58 | MohammadAG | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323 |
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| 12:18.23 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, any ideas? |
| 12:18.24 | Khertan | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/supported-platforms.html <<< maemo is in tier 2 plateforms ... |
| 12:18.29 | MohammadAG | would troll #qt :P |
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| 12:19.28 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 12:19.33 | MohammadAG | Symbian^1 is tier 1 |
| 12:20.20 | Khertan | lol |
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| 12:21.36 | Khertan | from what i see in the commit ... there is a huge works for this shitty qml ... but except some tweaking on real qt just for qml ... there is just a few modifications on qwidgets |
| 12:22.01 | MohammadAG | don't forget copyrights |
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| 12:23.13 | Khertan | also |
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| 12:24.19 | Khertan | MohammadAG: did you see also that moving the cursor with arrow and moving it with click didn't have the same result ? |
| 12:25.00 | Khertan | moving it with arrow made the entire line invisible while moving it with click made some part of the glyph arround the cursor visible |
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| 12:42.38 | Oli``` | Hmm apt-get upgrade appears to work. Wonder if that'll destroy the phone. |
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| 12:46.40 | SpeedEvil | My phone exploded with a 1.8 megaton explosion when I did that. |
| 12:46.47 | SpeedEvil | Fortunately, still under warranty. |
| 12:50.03 | auenf | not 1.21 jiggawatts? |
| 12:52.16 | SpeedEvil | !math 9+5 |
| 12:52.19 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 13:05.11 | Khertan | Oli```: most of time it s due to a conflicting package, take a look at details in HAM for the reason. |
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| 13:18.01 | Khertan | MohammadAG: you were True. No one care about Maemo Qt bugs on #Qt |
| 13:18.23 | RST38h | s/Maemo Qt/Qt/\ |
| 13:18.43 | Khertan | MohammadAG: did you have try to build more recent version of qt ? |
| 13:18.47 | Khertan | RST38h: also |
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| 15:45.17 | Wizzup | I just bought an 32GB MicroSD card, any recommendations as to FS? (I'll be using it on my n900) |
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| 16:04.31 | BCMM | Wizzup: what do you want to use it for? |
| 16:05.12 | BCMM | the microsd card will be available as USB mass storage when in mass storage mode, so if you want to access it from a windows PC, take that in to account |
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| 16:07.18 | Wizzup | BCMM: I usually stay away from windows. I wanted to use it both for storage and developing. I don't like working on vfat generally |
| 16:07.30 | BCMM | good move |
| 16:07.33 | Wizzup | My preferred choice is ext4 surely. I just don't want my card to die within a week |
| 16:07.40 | BCMM | why would it do that? |
| 16:07.53 | Wizzup | Don't know. I had the mmc card (internal) casrd fail once |
| 16:08.02 | Wizzup | I don't know if I can blame that on the ext3 part though |
| 16:08.08 | BCMM | fat32 doesn't do wear-levelling either |
| 16:08.17 | BCMM | iirc, the SD card takes care of that itself |
| 16:08.22 | Wizzup | ok, then I'll do ext4. |
| 16:08.23 | Wizzup | ok |
| 16:08.30 | BCMM | uh |
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| 16:08.33 | BCMM | maybe they don't have to |
| 16:08.37 | BCMM | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MicroSD |
| 16:08.47 | BCMM | so maybe not all manufacturers do that |
| 16:09.50 | BCMM | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FileSystem_microSD_cards#Why_not_jffs2_or_ubifs google keeps giving me openmoko stuff for this |
| 16:10.05 | BCMM | see if you can find out if your card does wear-levelling, i guess |
| 16:10.09 | slonopotamus | noooo, again wear-levelling |
| 16:10.17 | BCMM | ubifs if it doesn't, ext4 if it does |
| 16:10.30 | BCMM | actuall, do we have ext4 in the kernel? it's a pretty old kernel |
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| 16:11.05 | [XeN] | i want to install the cssu update "20.2010.36-2maemo14.1" but my phone tells me i shuold use the pc suite to get this upgrade. i think thats not the way it should be. any ideas to install the update anyway? |
| 16:11.49 | BCMM | [XeN]: have you got a full-ish rootfs? |
| 16:11.54 | SpeedEvil | ~farting |
| 16:11.54 | infobot | I do on occasion, but only if you ask me to. |
| 16:12.07 | slonopotamus | xen: apt-get upgrade && echo "ftw!" |
| 16:12.38 | BCMM | this channel just stopped making sense very quickly |
| 16:12.43 | Wizzup | BCMM: thanks for the help |
| 16:12.45 | BCMM | i hope it wasn't my fault |
| 16:12.46 | [XeN] | 8mb available |
| 16:12.48 | Wizzup | Yes, we have ext4 |
| 16:12.52 | Wizzup | I already did mkfs and mount |
| 16:13.03 | BCMM | ext4 or ext4dev? |
| 16:13.05 | Wizzup | both. |
| 16:13.08 | Wizzup | mkfs.<tab> |
| 16:13.32 | [XeN] | i'll try it with apt. |
| 16:14.02 | BCMM | you know how to reflash for when this all breaks, right? |
| 16:14.10 | slonopotamus | xen: just make a usual backup before doing that :) |
| 16:14.36 | [XeN] | sure |
| 16:17.13 | Wizzup | BCMM: Yes, if you were talking to me. |
| 16:17.42 | BCMM | Wizzup: huh? XeN's the one who's trying to half-install an update :) |
| 16:17.47 | slonopotamus | updated with 6mb free |
| 16:18.12 | Wizzup | BCMM: Ah ok, didn't follow. |
| 16:19.03 | slonopotamus | /var/lib/dpkg is 28mb. a good candidate for deletion :) |
| 16:22.36 | BCMM | apt-get clean |
| 16:25.08 | BCMM | (it's like rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* without the typo risk) |
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| 16:26.20 | BCMM | oh, apparently that's on opt |
| 16:26.55 | BCMM | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | >>Remember that once something is posted online, you can quickly _loose_ control of it<< http://safely.yahoo.com/faq ohmy! |
| 16:27.32 | Wizzup | BCMM: I suppose it's not possible to ``export'' the ext4 fs in the mass storage mode though? |
| 16:27.40 | Wizzup | (I could mount that on my gentoo laptop) |
| 16:27.41 | BCMM | i don't know |
| 16:28.11 | BCMM | the forum seems to imply that maemo, by default, won't export unless it's fat32 |
| 16:28.20 | BCMM | but i don't know anything about that really |
| 16:28.50 | BCMM | imho, the world needs a standardised removable-media filesystem |
| 16:29.21 | BCMM | (a read-write conterpart to ISO-9660) |
| 16:29.26 | SpeedEvil | udf |
| 16:29.31 | slonopotamus | udf |
| 16:29.41 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: meh, you were faster |
| 16:29.46 | BCMM | not exactly suitable for all media, is it? |
| 16:30.09 | SpeedEvil | What I'd really like would be for SD cards to support a strandard 'raw' interface to the flash. |
| 16:30.35 | BCMM | yeah, using fat32 then wear-levelling it in hardware is annoying |
| 16:30.40 | slonopotamus | is there any valid reason why mp-fremantle-community-pr depends on qt? |
| 16:31.00 | BCMM | there are an awful lot of stupidities involving working around limitations in windows, in hardware, about now |
| 16:31.30 | BCMM | but yeah, something standard like UDF, but for flash disks and USB hard drives and so on |
| 16:32.00 | BCMM | featuring a huge (or preferably configurable) file size limit, and no permissions |
| 16:34.18 | BCMM | actually, is there a good reason not to use UDF on non-optical media? |
| 16:35.02 | slonopotamus | is it safe to purge swi-prolog from maemo5? |
| 16:35.21 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: wierd block optimisations. |
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| 16:48.50 | slonopotamus | wtf is "cherry" app? |
| 16:50.45 | edheldil | Hi all, is there a theme gallery for n900? Randomly trying theme packages is extremely annoying, especially since most of the themes seem to be a variation on black buttons on black background |
| 16:50.48 | BCMM | slonopotamus: evil. |
| 16:51.13 | BCMM | slonopotamus: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
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| 17:54.56 | ApexBeat | help help!!! |
| 17:55.02 | ApexBeat | anyone? |
| 17:55.33 | ApexBeat | knock knock |
| 17:55.38 | ApexBeat | help! |
| 17:55.49 | SpeedEvil | > |
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| 17:55.55 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 17:56.05 | ApexBeat | hey SpeedEvil |
| 17:56.19 | ApexBeat | dude i was trying to install gingerbread on my n900 |
| 17:56.28 | ApexBeat | everything went really wrong... |
| 17:56.33 | SpeedEvil | Oops. |
| 17:57.15 | SpeedEvil | How wrong? |
| 17:57.48 | ApexBeat | i used that delete command on mydocs |
| 17:58.11 | SpeedEvil | No ideawhat youmean |
| 17:59.34 | ApexBeat | wait |
| 18:00.15 | ApexBeat | i used the rm -rf * command without mounting the memory card which had nitdroid 0.0.9 installed... |
| 18:00.20 | ApexBeat | so i wiped my MyDocs |
| 18:00.44 | ApexBeat | what i want to ask is whether i do a simple reflash...or do i have to reflash my emmc as well? |
| 18:01.11 | SpeedEvil | I think a simple reflash may work. |
| 18:01.50 | ApexBeat | cuz all the icons were gone...none of the applications were working.... |
| 18:03.19 | ApexBeat | but i was on the /and folder...why the hell did my MyDocs get deleted:( |
| 18:03.29 | ApexBeat | stupid guides...:( |
| 18:04.13 | ApexBeat | okay dude am gonna reflash..am gonna let u know...dont budge:) |
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| 18:05.17 | trx | dude :) |
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| 18:05.39 | ApexBeat | yeah? |
| 18:05.51 | ApexBeat | no harm in a second opinion... |
| 18:06.10 | ApexBeat | do i do a simple reflash or do i reflash my emmc as well.... |
| 18:06.12 | ApexBeat | ? |
| 18:06.18 | trx | no, i just found you calling him dude funny ;) |
| 18:06.54 | trx | try a simple reflash.. |
| 18:07.01 | ApexBeat | k... |
| 18:07.03 | ApexBeat | :) |
| 18:07.05 | ApexBeat | thanks |
| 18:07.12 | ApexBeat | brb in 10 |
| 18:07.13 | ApexBeat | :) |
| 18:15.02 | ApexBeat | the driver isnt installing in windows 7? |
| 18:15.17 | ApexBeat | nokia usb rom driver? |
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| 18:16.10 | ApexBeat | err...? |
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| 18:18.11 | ApexBeat | hello? |
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| 18:42.59 | pupnik | hi ApexBeat |
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| 19:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 19:42.50 | apt | ~pong |
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| 19:47.44 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 19:48.19 | RST38h | Anything new and exciting tonight? Famine? Diseases? Earthquakes? PR1.4? |
| 19:48.26 | MohammadAG | let the rants begin http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=988477#post988477 ! |
| 19:48.48 | RST38h | aha, thanks |
| 19:50.55 | MohammadAG | I'm actually expecting a lot of bugs |
| 19:51.07 | MohammadAG | probably small one lines fixes, but meh |
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| 20:52.28 | e-yes | btw, how to get hw keyboard layout type? (EN, RU, FI... etc) |
| 20:52.48 | e-yes | i meant "locale" for hw kbd |
| 20:55.23 | RST38h | sighs |
| 20:55.26 | RST38h | you cannot |
| 20:55.45 | RST38h | Set it to RU, then modify the layout files. |
| 20:56.21 | RST38h | All the time thanking whatever Maemo Devices "UX designer" who came up with this bright idea |
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| 20:57.41 | e-yes | hm, maemo gets this information from some "system" partition on flash somehow? |
| 20:58.35 | ShadowJK | one of you talk about "get" and the other says "set" |
| 20:58.37 | ShadowJK | huh |
| 20:58.59 | e-yes | i mean where it's stored. btw, where I can find layout files? |
| 20:59.06 | e-yes | ShadowJK, exactly:) |
| 20:59.23 | ShadowJK | has "Suomi, Svenska" selected in setup-text_input-hwkeyb layout |
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| 21:17.19 | MohammadAG | e-yes, you can use ukeyboard |
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| 21:32.28 | dangergrrl | make mty n900 happy |
| 21:32.54 | dangergrrl | it wants someone to see my ugly face |
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| 21:55.54 | pupnik | hi |
| 21:56.10 | nox- | moin pupnik, # |
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| 22:08.58 | kwtm | e-yes: Are you looking for the files where you can change the keyboard mapping? I can tell you where I found mine, and you can see if you can assume it's the same for your layout. |
| 22:09.04 | kwtm | Is that what you're looking for? |
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| 22:39.35 | e-yes | kwtm, actually no. I only need "locale" of hw keyboard |
| 22:41.02 | e-yes | looks like it's here: /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/inputmethod/%gconf.xml |
| 22:41.23 | e-yes | entry "slide-layout" |
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