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| 00:12.52 | GeneralAntilles | notes the CALM act has seemingly accomplished absolutely nothing. |
| 00:12.57 | GeneralAntilles | Go, go, big goverment! |
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| 00:23.19 | tripzero | GeneralAntilles, yays |
| 00:24.04 | tripzero | lols: "CALM Act is the most popular piece of legislation she's sponsored in her 18 years in Congress." |
| 00:24.12 | tripzero | 18years well spent |
| 00:24.29 | tripzero | in school, we'd give her a "gold star" for effort |
| 00:25.18 | tripzero | i'm so glad i don't watch tv |
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| 00:26.42 | SpeedEvil | I would be a supporter of a meta-act. |
| 00:27.19 | SpeedEvil | A requirement to transmit metadata along with audio passed through a compressor (audio, not data) to enable teh compression reversing. |
| 00:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | tripzero: wouldn't, but sports, you know. . . . |
| 00:33.21 | tripzero | i try to watch my sports online if i can |
| 00:33.27 | tripzero | although for some sports that isn't possible |
| 00:33.45 | tripzero | and even for the NBA, it's difficult at times |
| 00:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, any big team in a local market. :P |
| 00:34.04 | tripzero | yeh, :( |
| 00:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | MLB really needs to update its incredibly archaic broadcast regulations. |
| 00:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid tax-payer supported monopolies. |
| 00:34.56 | tripzero | agreed |
| 00:35.31 | GeneralAntilles | 'course MLB is all about the "Tradition" (read: slimeball corruption). |
| 00:35.38 | tripzero | haha |
| 00:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at Boston being fail. |
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| 00:36.40 | tripzero | the city or the team? |
| 00:36.45 | tripzero | (or both?) |
| 00:36.45 | GeneralAntilles | Well, both. |
| 00:36.48 | tripzero | haha |
| 00:36.51 | tripzero | +1 |
| 00:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | But the baseball team right at this moment. |
| 00:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | Was talking to one of the MLB owners at a book signing last Summer. He said there's basically no chance of getting TV reviews with the current MLB dictatorship. |
| 00:37.43 | GeneralAntilles | Even though most of the owners want it. |
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| 00:42.51 | tripzero | bah |
| 00:42.54 | tripzero | "hey gentoo user, why don't you use this project?" user: "because of the deps on libqt and dbus". "what's wrong with... oh, you are a gentoo user, it all makes sense now..." |
| 00:43.13 | tripzero | some people's children... |
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| 07:58.12 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:07.32 | crashanddie | morning Jaffa |
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| 08:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa |
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| 08:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr|otg: was that you who needed speakers? |
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| 08:22.47 | mece | Why am I not allowed to buy something from ovi store that doesn't work on my phone? Do they hate money? |
| 08:23.20 | frals | most likely to product stupid users from themselves ;) |
| 08:24.46 | frals | wth |
| 08:24.50 | frals | s/product/protect/ |
| 08:24.51 | mece | They should make an exception for angry birds rio |
| 08:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | produce :-) |
| 08:25.00 | mece | frals, I understood it :) |
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| 08:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | glares at 1300 NTD |
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| 08:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | duh TWD |
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| 08:36.29 | timeless_w7ip | mece: chargebacks are very expensive to stores |
| 08:36.41 | timeless_w7ip | stores really do not want to be in a position where customers buy something and return it |
| 08:36.49 | timeless_w7ip | 1. they get no net money from the initial sale |
| 08:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | I guess I have to *bring* EUR to change those to... nothing |
| 08:36.54 | timeless_w7ip | 2. they have to pay for the chargeback cost |
| 08:37.51 | mece | timeless_w7ip, I understand that, it's still annoying. |
| 08:38.17 | timeless_w7ip | that doesn't count any other overhead or the fact that the customer was disastisfied and badmouths them for the sale of goods which don't work |
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| 08:39.19 | mece | timeless_w7ip, well, they should still make it so that you can do it with some light hacking ;) |
| 08:40.12 | timeless_w7ip | "i know what i'm doing, please take my money" ? |
| 08:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon OVI - what yer talking bout? |
| 08:40.37 | timeless_w7ip | fwiw iirc google doesn't allow hackers to use its store at all |
| 08:40.48 | timeless_w7ip | or maybe they offer "all sales final" |
| 08:40.56 | timeless_w7ip | i think initially it was the former |
| 08:41.01 | timeless_w7ip | they might have switched to the latter |
| 08:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | wtf google store? |
| 08:41.39 | mece | hah, Rovio solved my problem :D |
| 08:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'm hopelessly behind the moon |
| 08:42.16 | mece | from twitter: @mece66: @roviomobile How can I send you some monies so I can steal Angry Birds Rio with a clean conscience? |
| 08:42.19 | mece | @RovioMobile: @mece66 maybe you could buy one of our toys at http://t.co/VqMpMJV |
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| 08:43.28 | mece | but which one? |
| 08:43.40 | mece | The yellow bird is my favorite in the game. I think I'll go with that one. |
| 08:43.49 | mece | but the red one is the most iconic... |
| 08:43.52 | mece | ponders |
| 08:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | pick both ;-D |
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| 08:47.06 | mece | I bought the red one. |
| 08:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | so is OVI now really capable of selling my 1.79$ N900 app? |
| 08:54.53 | fellu | o.O |
| 08:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | fellu: what? |
| 08:55.35 | fellu | What app? :) |
| 08:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | yet to come :-P |
| 08:55.58 | fellu | oh |
| 08:55.59 | timeless_w7ip | they probably don't take USD :) |
| 08:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | what else? TWD? |
| 08:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | glares again at those 1300 TWD, angrily |
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| 08:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | tbh after support for maemo ceased, how can I expect OVI to support maemo app merchandise |
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| 09:00.47 | mece | Angry Birds Rio works in portrait mode, but not as well as the original angry birds. |
| 09:01.32 | mece | hmm that might actually be a preenv thing though. Forcing height to 480.. |
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| 09:34.25 | dotblank | Why hasn't someone made a a non ovi app store for the n900 |
| 09:34.34 | dotblank | kinda like cydia for the iphone |
| 09:37.02 | Treibholz | dotblank: because nobody needs it. |
| 09:37.47 | Treibholz | the OVI-appstore ist bullshit, the regular package-manager is free and open. |
| 09:38.01 | Treibholz | and you may add as many repositories as you like. |
| 09:42.53 | MohammadAG | i think he wants to sell apps outside ovi |
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| 09:52.24 | Treibholz | selling apps for a dead platform? |
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| 10:23.27 | OkropNick | Home Calendar Widget on N900 is displaying all events shifted one hour forward. Till yesterday everything was fine. Any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 10:27.57 | OkropNick | I mean Calendar Home Widget |
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| 10:58.58 | Termana | good morning |
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| 11:02.43 | crashanddie | OkropNick, it's called daylight savings time |
| 11:03.13 | crashanddie | OkropNick, you'll probably find the whole world (except for Brisbane and some other states in the US) have changed the time... |
| 11:04.06 | OkropNick | crashanddie: I've just talking with widget developer, but thanks. I have in Poland daylight saving time too |
| 11:04.23 | crashanddie | I was going for funny. |
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| 11:52.26 | edheldil | Hi, I want to flash vanilla on my n900. Are the latest versions of vanila & combined ok? I heard somebody complain about wifi after 1.3 ... |
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| 12:16.51 | edheldil | and does flashing vanilla mean flash the VANILLA and then COMBINED images? The docs are fuzzy on what image file to use for flashing the rootfs |
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| 12:51.32 | timeless_mbp | edheldil: so err |
| 12:51.51 | timeless_mbp | there's only one rootfs and you can only flash it with one thing, because if you flash it with something else, whatever was there before will be gone |
| 12:52.26 | timeless_mbp | if you're trying to flash a recent rootfs, then you should ensure that you have backed up any data you care about and flash the vanilla image at the same time |
| 12:52.39 | timeless_mbp | 'same time' is defined as 'without allowing the device to boot between' |
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| 12:53.13 | timeless_mbp | if you try flashing a very old rootfs, you wouldn't actually need to flash the emmc, because initially we didn't do optification |
| 12:53.21 | timeless_mbp | and thus the emmc was not used by the os |
| 12:53.49 | timeless_mbp | (some of the docs you'll find will data to then and thus wouldn't have a reason to mention flashing the emmc when describing how to flash the rootfs) |
| 12:58.44 | edheldil | timeless_mbp: thank you ... I wanted to know whether I should avoid e.g. PR 1.3. It's a second hand phone and I wanted to get rid of anything nonstandard which could be there. I have found a good enough docs, it was just a bit too fuzzy in the flashing rootfs part - I thought I knew it talks about COMBINED image, but I was not overly sure |
| 12:59.22 | timeless_mbp | so, the naming for the images is based on internal details |
| 12:59.40 | timeless_mbp | combined mean "support for various hardware variants that will never be seen in the wild" |
| 12:59.48 | timeless_mbp | or something like that |
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| 13:00.11 | timeless_mbp | what's being combined is <kernel>, <cellmo>, <rootfs> and a couple of other bits |
| 13:00.26 | timeless_mbp | most people simply think of it as the rootfs image |
| 13:00.43 | timeless_mbp | personally, i'm relatively happy w/ 1.3 |
| 13:00.43 | timeless_mbp | and would use it |
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| 13:00.50 | timeless_mbp | you'll want to flash both rootfs and emmc |
| 13:00.57 | timeless_mbp | be sure not to boot between |
| 13:01.46 | edheldil | no, I mean it said "Now flash the FIASCO/rootfs image using the above commands with -R parameter" - I figured it out, but for some time I thought I should use the exactly same command as before, including image filename, only with -R flag |
| 13:02.39 | edheldil | I have it flashed correctly in the end, just was a bit confused in this step |
| 13:02.49 | timeless_mbp | most docs are in wikis |
| 13:02.56 | timeless_mbp | wikis can be changed |
| 13:03.03 | timeless_mbp | please feel free to improve the docs |
| 13:03.43 | edheldil | will do |
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| 13:06.06 | MohammadAG | how does one keep debug symbols when compiling again? |
| 13:06.48 | MohammadAG | -g, nvm |
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| 13:16.27 | crashanddie | so much win: http://media.fukung.net/images/28334/aa3e076c38e543aae2b4448e972b4b1d.gif |
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| 13:44.58 | khertan | Hello |
| 13:45.13 | khertan | Nice i didn't notice the new camera apps in CSSU. But who do the apps ? |
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| 13:45.20 | khertan | i see nothing in changelogs about iut |
| 13:46.16 | khertan | MohammadAG: qt-x11-maemo |
| 13:46.16 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.31 | MohammadAG | no |
| 13:46.41 | MohammadAG | khertan, nicolai |
| 13:46.59 | khertan | ;) |
| 13:47.00 | khertan | thx |
| 13:47.15 | khertan | really nice apps ... working well |
| 13:47.27 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/Camera_UI |
| 13:48.04 | khertan | maybe i should change my glassess |
| 13:48.05 | khertan | :) |
| 13:49.00 | merlin1991 | khertan: any eta on khweeteur working together with the new cssu update? |
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| 13:51.01 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, it's not his fault |
| 13:51.03 | MohammadAG | blame achipa :P |
| 13:51.07 | khertan | merlin1991: soon :) |
| 13:51.24 | khertan | merlin1991: the line 0.1.6 will be discontinuted soon |
| 13:51.44 | khertan | 0.5.x should be available in stable branch soon |
| 13:51.45 | merlin1991 | my desktop has a space that is mssing an icon really badly ;) |
| 13:51.48 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Could you test Qthello with the latest CSSU: looks like it is now showing notifications in the wrong color or maybe does not fade them in fully (try losing a game) |
| 13:51.58 | khertan | a current experimental version is available in extras-devel |
| 13:52.07 | khertan | merlin1991: but it s experimental :) |
| 13:52.12 | MohammadAG | RST38h, will do, juts fixing some stuff with camera-u |
| 13:52.13 | MohammadAG | i |
| 13:52.26 | khertan | merlin1991: there is sometime some missing reply text |
| 13:52.29 | RST38h | ah =) thanks |
| 13:52.32 | khertan | still didn't know why |
| 13:52.39 | khertan | but other that ... it s working |
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| 13:52.56 | merlin1991 | btw can it be that the twitter api cuts texts sometimes? |
| 13:53.18 | merlin1991 | I had it that with several clients I didn't see the full msg, but only on the webpage |
| 13:53.19 | khertan | merlin1991: i didn't think |
| 13:53.30 | merlin1991 | I only noticed that with links |
| 13:53.37 | khertan | merlin1991: it s an error of the client on retweet ;) |
| 13:53.41 | merlin1991 | wich pointed nowhere due to half of them missing |
| 13:53.48 | khertan | message got a truncated status |
| 13:53.53 | khertan | that many client ignore |
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| 13:54.45 | khertan | merlin1991: but currenlty i more worried by the bug on qtextedit which was bring by 4.7.2 than something else :) |
| 13:54.45 | GAN900 | crashanddie, check out Sam Fuld's catch from last week. |
| 13:54.56 | MohammadAG | is there a QTimer::singleShot equivalent in GLib? |
| 13:55.01 | crashanddie | GAN900, sorry? |
| 13:55.11 | khertan | MohammadAG: addTimeOut |
| 13:55.12 | GAN900 | crashanddie, one sec. |
| 13:55.20 | MohammadAG | khertan, can you confirm it's Qt 4.7.2 and not the theme? |
| 13:55.27 | MohammadAG | try running the app with -style cleanlooks |
| 13:55.40 | khertan | MohammadAG: timeout_add to be exact :) |
| 13:55.52 | khertan | MohammadAG: ... hu ... good suggestion |
| 13:56.23 | GAN900 | crashanddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2uN0_Qajbw |
| 13:56.42 | khertan | MohammadAG: confirmed |
| 13:56.48 | crashanddie | nice |
| 13:56.52 | khertan | MohammadAG: same error with the cleanlook on n900 |
| 13:57.09 | MohammadAG | suggests opening a bug on Qt bugtracker |
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| 13:57.24 | khertan | MohammadAG: already done :) |
| 13:58.01 | khertan | MohammadAG: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/gobject-functions.html#function-gobject--timeout-add |
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| 13:58.41 | khertan | The function is called repeatedly until it returns FALSE |
| 13:58.54 | khertan | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 <<< and the qt bug report |
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| 14:00.12 | khertan | MohammadAG: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 |
| 14:00.13 | khertan | :) |
| 14:00.39 | MohammadAG | thanks :D |
| 14:01.04 | khertan | Receiving objects: 9% (46823/502403), 61.86 MiB | 124 KiB/s .... pfiou ... |
| 14:01.14 | khertan | willl be slow cloning :) |
| 14:01.18 | MohammadAG | knows the feeling |
| 14:01.42 | khertan | :) |
| 14:02.39 | GAN900 | crashanddie, spawned another ridiculous twitter meme: #LegendofSamFuld |
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| 14:06.58 | MohammadAG | khertan, is there a way to make it only call the function once? |
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| 14:07.09 | MohammadAG | it returns TRUE on success, FALSE on fail |
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| 14:07.45 | khertan | MohammadAG: if the called method return False, the call will be made only 1 time |
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| 14:08.10 | MohammadAG | it returns true |
| 14:08.40 | MohammadAG | oh that QLineEdit bug is weird |
| 14:08.47 | khertan | indeed :) |
| 14:08.50 | MohammadAG | noticed it in the mediaplayer just now... |
| 14:08.53 | khertan | :) |
| 14:09.01 | khertan | and every app using qt |
| 14:09.15 | khertan | seems also affecting some other text rendering |
| 14:09.32 | khertan | as someone notice invisible text in listview |
| 14:09.43 | khertan | look at t.m.o :) |
| 14:09.51 | khertan | there is some complain about it |
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| 14:10.20 | MohammadAG | looks at commits made to QLineEdit |
| 14:10.26 | khertan | MohammadAG: i didn't understand why you return true ... maybe show me your code |
| 14:10.42 | MohammadAG | khertan, not me, it's an API |
| 14:10.47 | achipa | MohammadAG: what did I do again ? Or is it still the PyQt story ? :) |
| 14:10.49 | khertan | have try yesterday on Gitorious without success |
| 14:10.58 | MohammadAG | Fix QLineEdit's Highlight color when inactive. |
| 14:11.02 | MohammadAG | wanna bet it's that ^? |
| 14:11.16 | khertan | MohammadAG: there is a good chance |
| 14:11.40 | MohammadAG | July 27 |
| 14:11.42 | MohammadAG | old commit |
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| 14:12.19 | MohammadAG | btw http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/blobs/history/master/src/gui/widgets/qlineedit.cpp |
| 14:12.30 | khertan | achipa: cssu can't be installed for khweeteur user, as python2.5-qt4-test depends on libqt4-test =4.7.0, and khweeteur depends on python2.5-qt4 which depends on python2.5-qt4-test ... |
| 14:12.46 | khertan | yeah i use the meta package where i should not |
| 14:12.50 | MohammadAG | meh This Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser Consider cloning the repository locally and look at the object there |
| 14:12.55 | achipa | khertan: yeah, so pyqt story |
| 14:13.03 | khertan | but for promotion bug reason ... i use it |
| 14:13.11 | khertan | achipa: pyqt story ? |
| 14:13.11 | achipa | khertan: in fact, latest scientific research says you're doing the right thing |
| 14:13.26 | khertan | ? |
| 14:13.34 | MohammadAG | scientific research? lol |
| 14:13.35 | achipa | HAM is inherently broken wrt to upgrade strategy for packages like pyqt |
| 14:13.45 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, ping |
| 14:13.51 | khertan | HAM is inherently broken |
| 14:13.56 | khertan | is enough :) |
| 14:13.57 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: pong |
| 14:14.07 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, how do I get what was changed in c46f00ec595ae60046affa1d0ed19b2e5a14d4f6 |
| 14:14.22 | MohammadAG | but only for one file |
| 14:14.27 | achipa | so even though the Debian way of 'right thing' would be to depend on the particular libs, with HAM I will start bundling ALL libs in the metapackage |
| 14:14.35 | achipa | i.e. the modules will be the metapackages :) |
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| 14:15.19 | achipa | as it's just way too easy to run yourself into an upgrade dead-end |
| 14:17.21 | khertan | indeed |
| 14:18.02 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: git diff commit1 commit2 pathtofile |
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| 14:27.04 | MohammadAG | khertan, qlineedit.cpp wasn't changed much |
| 14:27.10 | MohammadAG | do you know where text highlighting is painted? |
| 14:29.44 | khertan | nope sorry |
| 14:29.55 | khertan | i'm far to be a qt expert :) |
| 14:31.09 | MohammadAG | wtf |
| 14:31.25 | MohammadAG | QTextEdit inherits QTextBrowser and QTextBrowser inherits QTextEdit |
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| 14:40.29 | MohammadAG | khertan, full diff of widgets http://pastebin.com/pgtsxCmx |
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| 14:42.07 | Venemo | someone should really fix Qt's text input bug... |
| 14:42.16 | khertan | :) |
| 14:42.45 | MohammadAG | Venemo, can't fix it if you can't find it |
| 14:43.14 | Venemo | MohammadAG, meh, a Qt guy pointed me to some few thousand lines long cpp file |
| 14:43.40 | Venemo | MohammadAG, I forgot which one though. the code and the task to even try understand it seemed enormous at the time |
| 14:44.03 | MohammadAG | I just fucked up |
| 14:44.06 | Venemo | what? |
| 14:44.10 | MohammadAG | upgraded to Qt 4.7.2 in scratchbox |
| 14:44.27 | MohammadAG | oh well, at least that'll help to see if compiling against new Qt fixes it |
| 14:44.44 | khertan | :) |
| 14:46.49 | MohammadAG | nope |
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| 15:54.47 | OkropNick | Heheh, I've just found hack to start logging duration time of calls :) It's here, post #20: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42624&page=2 |
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| 15:58.09 | E0x | OkropNick: extened call log show the duration time |
| 15:58.11 | E0x | of the call |
| 15:58.30 | E0x | oh , wait not |
| 15:58.47 | E0x | just the time |
| 15:59.35 | OkropNick | E0x: will be showing duration time after above hack |
| 15:59.47 | E0x | cool |
| 15:59.48 | OkropNick | at least from 0.5 version |
| 16:00.36 | MohammadAG | khertan, it's not QText* |
| 16:00.40 | MohammadAG | it's all text selection in Qt |
| 16:00.46 | MohammadAG | see About Qt dialogs |
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| 16:10.29 | MohammadAG | chem|st, ping |
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| 16:14.12 | E0x | new symbian update |
| 16:14.15 | E0x | look like maemo |
| 16:14.44 | khertan | MohammadAG: ouch |
| 16:17.15 | alterego | Is full "Terminal" app sources FOSS |
| 16:17.26 | alterego | wants bell to trigger vibra |
| 16:18.06 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/13/red_hat_unveils_project_ceylon/ <-- anyone want something like java but not java? |
| 16:18.19 | E0x | scala ? |
| 16:18.31 | E0x | oh |
| 16:18.34 | E0x | is a new JVM |
| 16:18.46 | MohammadAG | alterego, yes, patches to CSSU welcome :P |
| 16:18.58 | MohammadAG | code is from 2004 I think |
| 16:19.44 | E0x | bell to trigger vibra ? |
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| 16:23.07 | alterego | E0x: there's a ANSI control code that triggers a "bell" from you terminal, I want it to make a noise and ring vibra, hand if you use remote screen with notification scripts. |
| 16:23.23 | alterego | Or some IRC clients can be configured to use bell on PM etc. |
| 16:24.00 | alterego | MohammadAG: might look tonight, after I've got my meego dialer work merged. :) |
| 16:24.24 | MohammadAG | alterego, sources here https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-xterm |
| 16:24.30 | SpeedEvil | ponders an exciting rapid development agile language. |
| 16:24.40 | SpeedEvil | I shall call it 'BuckFast' |
| 16:24.49 | MohammadAG | alterego, by any chance, do you know where painting of text selection is done? |
| 16:24.51 | MohammadAG | I mean, where is standard text stuff handled in Qt |
| 16:25.37 | alterego | Not sure, must be something linked with QPainter I guess. |
| 16:25.50 | alterego | I donmt know if Qt has anything like gtks' pange |
| 16:26.37 | MohammadAG | alterego, cause 4.7.2 introduced a bug |
| 16:26.48 | MohammadAG | if text is highlighted, non-highlighted text is white on white |
| 16:27.03 | MohammadAG | or black on black |
| 16:27.06 | alterego | That's probably a theming issue |
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| 16:27.19 | MohammadAG | it's not, already considered that |
| 16:27.26 | alterego | And this is m5 Qt 4.7.2 right? |
| 16:27.36 | MohammadAG | using -style cleanlooks does the same |
| 16:27.40 | MohammadAG | alterego, upstream |
| 16:27.58 | alterego | Interesting. I'd get someone to confirm in #qt |
| 16:28.13 | MohammadAG | well, I need to check if 4.7.2 on my PC does the same |
| 16:28.20 | MohammadAG | but I can't find a PPA for it, and I cba to build |
| 16:28.47 | lolcat | My theme is ugly |
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| 16:36.17 | mikki-kun | uhhh, can anybody tell me why the new community ssu wants me to have nokia software suite installed?! |
| 16:36.47 | MohammadAG | probably a conflict, try apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr |
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| 16:37.34 | slonopotamus | ssu is just a piece of code, it can't want anything |
| 16:37.54 | wmarone | until they start including the self-awareness module! |
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| 16:39.00 | mikki-kun | ok, that solved it... using inbuilt app-manager wanted me to connect my n900 via usb to my pc and run from there pc-suite |
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| 16:51.34 | chadi | if I copy my CSSU transitions.ini (the one with additional settings) on a phone without any CSSU update, is there any problem? Will hildon-desktop crash? |
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| 16:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | *should* not |
| 16:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | but who lmows about secrets of h-d |
| 16:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | knows* |
| 16:59.28 | Robot101 | some folks hiding in Collabora do... :) |
| 16:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | general paradigm is there must not be any problems with unknown keys and empty/commented lines in ini files |
| 17:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: do they have particular reason to hide? :-P |
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| 17:01.15 | Robot101 | just working on totally unrelated stuff mostly |
| 17:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | I heard QSettings segfaults on #comment lines |
| 17:03.33 | khertan | MohammadAG: whouhou... finally finish the download of the qt git clone of qt |
| 17:03.34 | khertan | :) |
| 17:06.32 | DocScrutinizer | ( why the new community ssu wants me to have nokia software suite ) |
| 17:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | mentions that his HAM has not shown ANY conflicts for the update |
| 17:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | but I haven't allowed it to update yet |
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| 17:16.03 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> I heard QSettings segfaults on #comment lines |
| 17:16.11 | MohammadAG | no, just replaces them with UTF |
| 17:16.22 | MohammadAG | UTF-8* |
| 17:17.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha like #0223 = ">"? |
| 17:18.00 | chadi | anyway, thank you for the info |
| 17:19.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, sort of, yeah |
| 17:20.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, they shouldn't use plain QString for files like those |
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| 17:21.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly #1 of Qt WTFs |
| 17:22.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | a shame not even Qt devels get their sh*t sorted |
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| 17:26.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | the QA for Qt products somewhat seen a scaring decay since beginning of the story |
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| 17:31.25 | MohammadAG | ranting about it doesn't help :P |
| 17:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | sure, ranting is always the first step |
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| 17:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | seious devels are happy about good rant, much more than about unqualified cheers |
| 17:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | marketing droids and HR dudes aren't exactly happy about it, but it gives them a reality check |
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| 17:36.20 | GAN900 | Or they just ignore you. |
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| 17:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | those are the morituri |
| 17:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | and of course those living happily in autism of "I'm doing it for MY fun" |
| 17:44.39 | pupnik | yea |
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| 18:47.34 | newbie007 | Hi, I've installed icetea6 (java) and I'm getting an error from a java app. "UnsatisfiedLinkError: jnidispatch" Somewhere I found a similar bug for an older version of Maemo. (I'm using a n900). Any ideas to fix this? |
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| 18:51.14 | newbie007 | This is the error: http://fpaste.org/CX6y/ |
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| 18:55.36 | newbie007 | What I'm trying to do is install Gmote-server so I can use my nook color as a mouse to my n900. The reason for that is that nothing android offers is as open or as good as what maemo / hildon-desktop offer |
| 18:56.22 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: hi |
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| 18:56.36 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: are you trying to run an android app? |
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| 18:57.11 | newbie007 | Only on the nook color. The Gmote-server is made for desktops |
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| 18:57.33 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: I see |
| 18:57.57 | newbie007 | really what I want is hildon-desktop and repos on my nook color. But a 3d driver is stopping that from happening. |
| 18:58.20 | newbie007 | Maemo is superior to andoid imho |
| 18:58.47 | onen|openBmap | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.47 | newbie007 | If I worked for nokia I would release all of the closed source stuff for the n900 so that maemo could then over take the android devices |
| 18:59.46 | newbie007 | I'm not familiar with it myself. When I looked into the requirements for that app, it stated that only VLC was required. |
| 18:59.48 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: not that simple. what mostly blocks porting are proprietatry closed stuffs on phones (drivers compiled agains Google libc for example, and thus incompatible withc "standard" glibc |
| 19:01.18 | onen|openBmap | to me this looks like either a lib is missing on the java side (jni related), or some native software is missing and the java code just cannot find it |
| 19:01.49 | onen|openBmap | if VLC is required, how is it used? direct use of the library? this is most probably native |
| 19:02.01 | newbie007 | I was assuming tha ta lib is missing on the Java side. Seems like I need to find the owner of that app and start there.. ? |
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| 19:02.15 | onen|openBmap | that could explain why the java app cannot access it |
| 19:02.16 | newbie007 | About vlc.. I'm not sure, but even Maemo supplies a VLC Remote viewer |
| 19:02.44 | newbie007 | VLC is doing some sort of screen capture and forwarding over apache |
| 19:02.51 | onen|openBmap | ok |
| 19:03.56 | onen|openBmap | did you try any other java app? does it work? another way to ask: are you sure your java environment is working fine? |
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| 19:05.36 | newbie007 | I have not tried that, I will. It seems that running java at the command line works as expected |
| 19:07.39 | onen|openBmap | not sure with icetea, but regular jdk (or is it sdk) embeds some java (java swing, java2D, etc.) examples apps |
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| 19:08.01 | onen|openBmap | if available, this would be a good test of your java environment working fine or not |
| 19:08.30 | newbie007 | I'm looking for something now |
| 19:09.39 | onen|openBmap | keep in mind, that even if a 100% java app runs fine, this does not show that a java app with jni calls works |
| 19:09.46 | newbie007 | Yes there is a Micro Emulator program that works |
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| 19:12.40 | onen|openBmap | do you know if this uses native code? |
| 19:13.05 | newbie007 | no I do not |
| 19:15.03 | newbie007 | The error from the app (user friendly error message) is " /com/sun/jna/linux-arm/libjnidispatch.so not found in resouce path " |
| 19:15.22 | onen|openBmap | ok |
| 19:17.06 | onen|openBmap | this looks like it is looking relative to whatever paths explored by java (environment variable like JAVA_...), for a path ../com/sun/[snip]/libjnidispatch.so |
| 19:17.11 | onen|openBmap | and cannot find it |
| 19:17.25 | onen|openBmap | look for a file libjnidispatch.so on your computer |
| 19:17.30 | onen|openBmap | if you cannot find it |
| 19:18.01 | onen|openBmap | look for it in packages. You may find that this is in another package that you have not installed |
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| 19:19.08 | onen|openBmap | under debian exists a tool apt-file IIRC, that might help finding a file, and to which package it belongs, even if not installed |
| 19:19.43 | maybeArgh | http://www.techeye.net/business/nokia-will-lay-off-up-to-6000-next-week old? |
| 19:22.38 | newbie007 | onen|openBmap: I did a "cd / " then "find | grep libjni " |
| 19:23.28 | newbie007 | except for 300 "Permission denied" errors I did not find this file |
| 19:23.45 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: faster $locate name-of-file (check the last update of the database, with updatedb command) |
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| 19:24.27 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: is apt-file available in repos? |
| 19:24.52 | onen|openBmap | (by the way, the java you installed, does it come from regular repositories?) |
| 19:26.00 | newbie007 | the java comes from the regular repos, nothing special on my part |
| 19:28.18 | onen|openBmap | is apt-file available in repos? $sudo apt-get install apt-file ? |
| 19:28.47 | newbie007 | I'm looking for it |
| 19:28.51 | onen|openBmap | ok |
| 19:29.53 | newbie007 | there is something called "aptly", also "Aptitude package manager". I already have apt-get but not apt-file |
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| 19:32.16 | newbie007 | maybeArgh: would it be possible for nokia workers to go rogue, and start building hildon-desktop targeted at android hardware. I personally would dump Google Market in a second, in exchange for an open alternative |
| 19:32.19 | onen|openBmap | try: $sudo apt-get update |
| 19:32.21 | onen|openBmap | then |
| 19:32.29 | onen|openBmap | $apt-cache search apt-file |
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| 19:33.36 | newbie007 | okay will do |
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| 19:38.44 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: (sudo if used under maemo (sorry I have no maemo at hand!), otherwise you have to be root) |
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| 19:54.08 | newbie007 | onen|openBmap: sorry, I'm having to reboot, also seems I don't have gainroot installed... I'm getting there |
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| 19:55.11 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: what I meant is that to install package through apt-get install, you need rights to do so |
| 19:55.24 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: and that is either by being root, or through sudo |
| 19:55.29 | newbie007 | I get you |
| 19:55.35 | onen|openBmap | newbie007: I don't know what maemo uses... |
| 19:56.07 | newbie007 | I have either forgotten my root or never had it,, I think I never had it,, so getting gainroot should do it |
| 19:56.22 | newbie007 | *root password |
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| 20:08.08 | newbie007 | I'm having dependancy issues getting apt-file.. |
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| 20:14.30 | newbie007 | onen|openBmap: okay I was able to perform a search using aplty, could never install apt-file. I was not able to find jnidispatch using that |
| 20:15.20 | newbie007 | I can find other lib* files though |
| 20:15.54 | onen|openBmap | well then it looks like it expects the presence of libjnidispatch.so, but if you cannot find any package which provides it... |
| 20:16.34 | onen|openBmap | sorry I have no maemo phone for now. so I cannot look by myself :-( |
| 20:17.16 | newbie007 | thanks for your help! |
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| 20:20.35 | onen|openBmap | no pb |
| 20:21.03 | onen|openBmap | I might be able to look at it in the future though |
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| 20:21.20 | onen|openBmap | good night |
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| 20:27.40 | pupnik | moo |
| 20:29.00 | RST38h | moo pupnik |
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| 21:17.10 | alterego | I really don't understand all this git nonsense. |
| 21:17.13 | alterego | is lost |
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| 21:23.56 | MohammadAG | alterego, merlin1991 knows git best imo :) |
| 21:24.51 | e-yes | couple year ago i used to use word `crap` along with all git-related stuff |
| 21:25.35 | e-yes | MohammadAG, h!ii! |
| 21:26.13 | MohammadAG | hi |
| 21:27.27 | e-yes | are you still nit-kernel maintainer? |
| 21:27.44 | e-yes | btw, when did you saw Jay-C last time? |
| 21:27.55 | MohammadAG | technically, yes, but I'm way too busy with CSSU and stuff |
| 21:28.00 | MohammadAG | umm, a year I think |
| 21:28.08 | MohammadAG | ~seen jay-c |
| 21:28.11 | infobot | i haven't seen 'jay-c', MohammadAG |
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| 21:28.40 | e-yes | hmm, half of year i suppose. |
| 21:29.24 | e-yes | MohammadAG, i saw cssu (why not to give it the name??:)). i'm impressed |
| 21:29.54 | e-yes | i know not everything `patchable`, but u guyz rocks |
| 21:30.30 | e-yes | и немедленно вÑпил |
| 21:30.30 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 21:31.33 | e-yes | any idea how to use more recent toolchains for kernel (linaro, codesourcery etc)? |
| 21:31.52 | e-yes | i mean to get deb package ;) |
| 21:32.46 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:32.52 | MohammadAG | making debs is easy |
| 21:33.01 | MohammadAG | you probably already have most files, you just need to edit them |
| 21:33.16 | MohammadAG | you might find this helpful http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging |
| 21:38.19 | e-yes | MohammadAG, thanks a lot... /me reading |
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