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00:18.46RiDHi :)
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00:37.25RiDHey, does anyone has an unmodified /etc/asound.conf ?
00:44.23pupnikRiD: um... i think so..
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00:45.07pupnikhttp://pastebin.ca/2045280
00:47.36RiDcould you upload it? I think mine's completely messed up
00:47.53SpeedEvilMine looks like pupniks
00:48.03RiDoh didnt saw the link
00:50.36RiDHmmm, it seems the problem is somewhere else
00:53.36SpeedEvilBlame Pulseaudio.
00:53.39RiDI guess the most reliable solution is to flash my device :/ Thanks for the help, anyways.
00:53.43SpeedEvil~flashing
00:53.43infoboti heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
00:56.02RiDmaybe a hammer works on it, or it just makes it worse.
00:56.51SpeedEvilRiD: What dioes it do/
00:57.53RiDSpeedEvil: probably just splits the phone into smaller parts
01:02.50RiDwell, ill flash it tomorrow. Its somewhat late here (2am) so I'm going to sleep. See ya later
01:03.26SpeedEvilnight.
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02:18.51argent0succesfuly flashed
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07:17.21piggzlo, according to the following page, from qtcreator i should bw able to upload packages to extra-devel for n900, or ovi store, but i cant find any such options? http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-snapshot/creator-publishing-to-maemo-extras.html
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09:14.21MohammadAGachipa, can you update the python2.5-qt4 package so it depends on >= 4.7.0 and not = 4.7.0 ?
09:14.44MohammadAGI'm guessing that was one of the packages that depends on bugs? :P
09:15.41achipaMohammadAG: exactly... :) I'll see what I can do - that package needs serious updates anyway
09:17.43MohammadAGachipa, thanks, it's preventing CSSU updates :)
09:18.46achipauh-oh. The thing is I'm considering a major break there. As HAM is pretty boneheaded wrt to partial updates, I'll probably make one giant python2.5-qt4 package and lose the modular setup
09:19.05achipaI know it's a few extra megs, but better a few extra megs than breakage, right ?
09:19.47MohammadAGachipa, just depend on >= and it should be fine
09:20.00MohammadAGachipa, also, shouldn't this be fixed somehow? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python2.5-qt4-core/4.7.5-maemo2/
09:20.12MohammadAGit says missing packages, so developers can't promote to extras
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09:21.11achipaMohammadAG: but that's already in extras, what do dependent packcages care...
09:21.20achipaMohammadAG: but yes, the web interface is kooky
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09:22.47DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you found an answer to your testbattery?
09:23.06eichihello ;) is there an application for creating an timetable for university? or besser use a oocalc table creating a pdf?
09:23.20eichibesser = better
09:23.21MohammadAGachipa, yeah, it's an interface bug (cc X-Fade)
09:23.32MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nope, I only know about the service battery for the PSP :P
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09:26.33MohammadAGalso, is this the right way to support AVRCP? http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/27da7d88fcdec9947e7c2fc56ebc52864ff19cfc
09:26.42DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I have two possible explanations: 1) the testpads are under the battery, so there may be "batteries" that have contact pins for the testpoints. 2) a special battery with a certain resitor value on BSI, to switch device to R&D or a similar mode
09:28.31DocScrutinizersome § in service manuals suggest it's 2)
09:28.37MohammadAGI'm pretty sure it's the latter, but I'm guessing no one knows about it?
09:29.46DocScrutinizerat least not me (which implies nobody I know)
09:29.47alteregoWell,  they use rigs for connecting to those.
09:29.56alteregoNot batteries
09:29.59DibblahBTW, has anyone live flashed from an alternate OS running on the SD card?
09:30.03DocScrutinizeralterego: that's known
09:30.12alterego:)
09:30.38DibblahI did - It worked OK, but Meego is... Less than stellar for a choice of "hacking platform".
09:31.12Dibblah(Not using the PC version of flasher because my USB port is busted)
09:31.14DocScrutinizerDibblah: live flashed?
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09:31.39DibblahAs in flashed the NAND from an OS running on the device.
09:32.01DocScrutinizerWTF? you flashed NAND rootfs from uSD OS?
09:32.07DibblahYes.
09:32.21DocScrutinizerumm, which tools did you use?
09:32.36DocScrutinizerplease don't say dd
09:32.38Dibblahflash_erase, nandwrite, ISTR.
09:32.43DocScrutinizerOK :-D
09:32.52DocScrutinizercool
09:32.55meceDibblah, pretty cool!
09:33.23DibblahThe real problem was getting root on Meego. Ugh.
09:33.31MohammadAGit's easy!
09:33.33MohammadAGsu root
09:33.37MohammadAGpass is meego
09:33.48DocScrutinizerlol
09:34.03DibblahSo the requirements are that the system must be live enough to be able to install the combined uboot/kernel in the kernel partition.
09:34.10MohammadAG(tbh, I guessed that two months ago and it turned out to be right...)
09:34.36DibblahI tried that I thought. Ended up hacking the shadow file offline :)
09:34.50DocScrutinizerhehe
09:35.32DocScrutinizerbtw meego using shadow? wow!
09:35.44MohammadAGwhat's shadow?
09:35.59DocScrutinizeraah well, they plan for tablets and laptops etc as well
09:36.06robbiethe1stShadow password?
09:36.08DocScrutinizer/etc/shadow
09:36.18DibblahSo then use flasher to extract the "rootfs.jffs2" image, copy the nandwrite + flash_erase binaries, nandwrite the image, swear as it doesn't boot, boot back up into alternate, flash_erase, then nandwrite the image again.
09:36.22RST38hMohammad: Some really weird portrait mode flips in this CSSU
09:36.28robbiethe1stIn Maemo, it's like /etc/passwd- that has the real passwords(encrypted, of course)
09:36.33DibblahHowever, my cameras are still busted :( :(
09:37.17DibblahOdd group of symptoms - It doesn't seem to recognise VBUS, both cameras don't work,...
09:37.17RST38hMohammad: The status area menu absolutely INSISTS on coming up in portrait mode =(
09:37.34MohammadAGRST38h, not for me, at least if the device isn't in portrait itself
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09:37.54MohammadAGdid you reboot or just hardcore apt-get upgrade & killall? :P
09:38.06DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: maemo has no /etc/shadow afaik
09:38.21DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: considered useless overhead
09:38.28RST38hMohammad: Used HAM to update, it rebooted after updating
09:38.38robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer: No, but it does have a "/etc/passwd-" file
09:38.51robbiethe1stThe /etc/passwd file doesn't have the hashes in it, IIRC
09:39.02DocScrutinizerit has
09:40.09DocScrutinizererr
09:40.12robbiethe1stHuh, just checked. I guess it does. So what's the /etc/passwd- file for?
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09:41.27DibblahI assume no-one knows any fault that would take out both cameras?
09:41.34meceand now for something completely different: 8-bit color cycling animations http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/
09:42.27DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: edit backup?
09:42.35DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: update backup?
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09:43.25DocScrutinizerDibblah: both cams share one interface, and same processes to deal with it
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09:43.52DocScrutinizerDibblah: v4l2
09:43.55DocScrutinizeriirc
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09:45.57DocScrutinizerDibblah: i.e. devices video0 and video1 are mutually exclusive, by hw design. So if one gets fsckdup by a broken process, the other one will be unavailable too
09:46.10pupnikfirefox cannot block particular images but only entire HOSTS?? (edit->preferences->content->load_images_automatically:Exceptions)
09:46.37pupnikmost useless feature implementation ever?
09:46.49DocScrutinizerhaha
09:46.59RST38hpupnik: Use adblock+?
09:47.06DocScrutinizeryeah
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09:48.07mecegrr postinst script keep breaking on me. Is there a way to get some proper error output from apt?
09:48.54mece"returned error exit: status 1" doesn't exactly help
09:49.44DibblahHmm. Okay, so it's possible that a hardware fault on one camera would lock the bus which both cameras are on?
09:50.28JaffaX-Fade: Apparently "promoting applications which depend on the in-device [Qt] libs" is broken?
09:51.45MohammadAGonly python2.5-qt4 ones
09:52.00MohammadAGfapman has no problems obviously
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09:54.45DocScrutinizerDibblah: possible but unlikely
09:55.56pupnikadblock plus doesn't give me a context sensitive right click to block images
09:57.09DocScrutinizerDibblah: first check fuser/lsof
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09:57.50DocScrutinizerDibblah: check dmesg
09:58.27pupnikahh now it shows it
09:58.38DibblahNothing has /dev/video* open.
09:58.45pupnikonly for some pages
09:58.47DocScrutinizerDibblah: check for the right matching kernel drivers
09:59.49DocScrutinizerDibblah: things like fcam and blessn900 are known to break a new kernel with their "old" alternative cam kernel drivers
10:00.36DibblahHmm. That's interesting. With a _virgin_ image, I see unknown symbols for isp_mod on boot.
10:00.44DocScrutinizerusually force-reinstalling fcam fixes this issue
10:01.04Dibblahiommu_get / iommu_kmap, da_to_va, etc.
10:02.04DibblahOddly, the module _is_ loaded.
10:02.20DocScrutinizerI suspect your modules don't match the kernel
10:03.11DibblahI don't see how - As I said, it was a virgin image.
10:03.35DocScrutinizerthe kernel lives on a separate NAND partition
10:04.11DibblahYes, the kernel does - But the modules seem to be in the main FS...?
10:04.18DocScrutinizeryes
10:04.22DibblahIs there any way to mount the FS in the kernel partition?
10:04.40DibblahOr is it a raw kernel image?
10:04.50DocScrutinizerthere's no fs on kernel partition afaik
10:04.53DocScrutinizerraw
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10:06.26pupnikadblock won't block all images, just those with http links?
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10:10.59mecehmmhmm
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10:11.22DibblahOkay - So reinstalling kernel-flasher doesn't flash the default kernel. What does? :)
10:11.25mececould the -e flag cause errors in postinst scripts?
10:11.41mecechange it to -x and it didn't fail. Hmpf
10:11.50Dibblahapt-get install --reinstall kernel-flasher does nothing.
10:13.15timeless_w7ipwhy would you expect reinstalling a tool to trigger the tool?
10:14.17Dibblah... Because that's what all of the docs say to do to reinstall the original kernel...?
10:15.22ruskieDibblah, install the original kernel... then install the flasher
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10:15.45Dibblahruskie: I have no idea how to do that :(
10:16.28ruskieapt-get install --reinstall kernel-whatever
10:16.34ruskieapt-cache search kernel
10:16.36ruskiemight be helpful
10:17.22pupnikthere's no *f*k*n* way to simply add a right click "block annoying image" in firefox
10:17.41DibblahAha. Right, I'm an idiot. Thanks, ruskie :)
10:18.04ruskiepupnik, adblock ?
10:18.08pupnikadblock only does it on hyperlinks
10:18.50ruskieerm...
10:18.57ruskieI recall it allowed it on everything
10:19.02ruskieflash objects, banners
10:19.03ruskieetc...
10:19.30pupnikrecall?
10:19.49pupniktry it on a regular http page with a regular image
10:20.09ruskieno clue
10:20.16ruskiehaven't used adblock in ages
10:20.28ruskiemy brain filtering is already so advanced that I don't even notice billboard ads etc...
10:20.31pupnik><div style="overflow: auto; width: 100%;"><img src="http:/...."
10:21.03pupniksome people make it their life's purpose to put the most annoying images on their forum posts
10:21.26ruskieactually some forums are simply broken
10:24.22pupnikfirefox is missing an important feature
10:30.17DocScrutinizeras I failed in cyrillic/Russian...:
10:30.25DocScrutinizercheers, Juri!
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10:32.41timeless_w7ipwhat feature?
10:33.09timeless_w7ippupnik: how do you define an image?
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10:33.19timeless_w7ipis it an image with a given md5sum?
10:33.28timeless_w7ipis it an image with a given set of dimensions?
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10:33.43crashanddietimeless_w7ip, probably more likely to be something that fits in the html IMG tag.
10:33.46timeless_w7ipis it an imagine which is hosted at an absolute path with a given cookie request?
10:33.58timeless_w7ipis it an image which appears at a precise location in a dom tree?
10:34.09timeless_w7ipis it an imagine which is in fact inserted via css?
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10:34.34timeless_w7ipblocking images is hard because web pages and the web in general are dynamic
10:34.47timeless_w7ipperhaps you want to block all images with more than x% flesh tones? :)
10:35.28crashanddieIs it an ass? Is it a plane? No, it's super pedant, timeless!
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10:35.50pupnik<img src=""/>
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10:36.20pupnikbut thanks for the education
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10:39.06ArkanoiD-oh shi~~~.. application manager says i should update community SSU via cable
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10:39.50timeless_w7iparkanoid: that means you have a conflict or space issues
10:39.53timeless_w7ipthere's a page that explains..
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10:40.07timeless_w7ipor you could install my localization and then the  error message would include the link to the page :)
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11:15.27nilspinis anybody there
11:15.57ruskienobody here but us echos
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11:17.00MohammadAGZogG, any ideas where you could get a Nexus S in IL?
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11:21.14compengihello, how can i install this package http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-butterfly/ on the phone? the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/MSN_messenger says it should be in networking section of the application manager but i only see msn-pecan and pidgin
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11:23.03ruskiecompengi, maybe missing a repo?
11:25.21compengiruskie, probably. how do i edit repo list?
11:25.36compengiand where can i find it
11:25.38ruskieopen the application manager menu...
11:25.41ruskieshould be something there
11:26.20compengiprogram catalog?
11:27.29ruskieyup
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11:31.46compengiruskie, well.. i do have http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ in the list
11:32.06ruskiethere is also extras-testing and extras-devel
11:32.16compengiah
11:32.46ruskieand that page you were clearly states where the package lives
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12:28.30ZogGMohammadAG shop?
12:28.41ZogGMohammadAG there are shops selling it you know
12:28.45ZogGwhy would you like it?
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12:33.52compengiruskie, thanks :)
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12:52.53ZogGMohammadAG, anyway i hope you know zap.co.il for anything you want to find in israel =)
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12:56.41ZogGDocScrutinizer, ping german guy
12:57.42DocScrutinizereh?
12:58.43DocScrutinizerZogG: what's up, earthling?
13:00.49ZogGDocScrutinizer =)
13:01.43ZogGwho is the guys behing repos? ole' mate ruskie is trying to get approval for xmms2 package for extras and maybe there is a way to get thing faster
13:02.06ZogGyou know RST38h can laid with people if it's needed
13:03.19DocScrutinizerZogG: approval for extras is an automatic process afaik. Get 10 votes and you're in
13:03.51ZogGDocScrutinizer oh, and if it's new package noone knows of it, how do i get 10 votes?
13:04.20DocScrutinizerumm, bribe, beg, blog, wait, cry...
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13:05.05SpeedEvilI do not see xmms2 in the package list
13:05.47SpeedEvilhttp://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=xmms&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same
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13:10.56ZogGruskie, what did it say when you tried to upload? you got some msg about voting?
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13:17.47alteregowoot, Columbus now has track log loading :)
13:18.11alteregov1 beta real close now
13:19.23SpeedEvil:)
13:19.51alteregoI need to add gap detection though
13:20.09alteregoI just loaded a track log and it draws a straight line from previous position to where you are now (18 miles away) :D
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13:27.21DocScrutinizeralterego: hey, so do all the other GPS apps :-P
13:27.36alteregoHeh
13:27.44alteregoWell, mine doesn't anymore :P
13:27.51DocScrutinizer\o/
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13:35.01threshgrr, i've upgraded my phone with apt-get install mp-fremante-community-pr, and now black screen instead of hildon :)
13:35.20threshI can answer the calls though..
13:35.25threshguess I have to reflash
13:35.32alteregoYou should never upgrade with apt-get ..
13:35.40threshiKnow :D
13:35.53alteregoNow I need to also make previous track data render in a different colour.
13:35.57alteregoWell, slightly faded I think.
13:36.07alteregoBut first, I've got some MeeGo work to do.
13:36.09Veggenaltereho: imo, that's a serious design flaw. that you can't upgrade with apt-get.
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13:36.21alteregoVeggen: I wouldn't say design flaw ..
13:36.39Veggenwell, ok.
13:36.39alteregoI'd say omission maybe
13:36.44Veggen.9
13:37.01alteregoI doubt it was ever in the functional requirements
13:37.20alteregoYou're best bet is to not think of maemo as debian based and as just using dpkg, which is what it is really :P
13:37.50alteregoIt is a shame none-the-less
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13:40.16threshhmm, how do I actually install that new SSU upgrade if I don't have PC suite or windows
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13:40.54SpeedEvilSSU upgrade is over-the-air
13:40.56KhertanHello
13:40.57SpeedEvil~flashing
13:40.57infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
13:41.11threshSpeedEvil: HAM said I have to use PC suite.
13:41.18threshthat's why I tried apt-get in the first place
13:41.19SpeedEvilHAM lies.
13:41.25threshiKnow. Fapman wouldnt?
13:41.39KhertanMohammadAG: can i disturb you ? Does there is a changelog of the Qt 4.7.2 integrated in cssu 14 ?
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13:46.33threshoh well, reboot helped. It "forgot" all the settings it seems though.
13:46.41threshasked me to reenter the time.
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13:52.20KhertanHAM have pretty strange things since cssu 14
13:52.31Khertandoes there is change in this app ?
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13:53.08KhertanXB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: Formatted like "Description".   Will be displayed if user upgrades to new version and clicks  on "Details". <<< seems displayed now as the description of the app
13:55.38crashanddieStop! Hammertime: http://media.fukung.net/images/35895/097aa77bf1e5a2eb3ace895adfe9d6d8.gif
13:56.08ZogGlol
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14:08.19MohammadAGKhertan, upstream commits
14:09.21ZogGMohammadAG
14:09.26MohammadAGhttp://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/
14:09.37MohammadAGCTRL+F v4.7.0-fremantle-pr1.3: Created tag v4.7.0-fremantle-pr1.3
14:10.01ZogG?
14:10.41MohammadAGwasn't at you
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14:12.30ZogGMohammadAG have you checked zap?
14:13.43MohammadAGnope
14:13.49MohammadAGI hate that site :p
14:14.27ZogGthey have nexus 2 there
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14:16.46MohammadAGNexus 2? lol
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14:19.29MohammadAGZogG, no local stores that sell it then?
14:20.07ZogGMohammadAG, they do if it has
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14:21.04MohammadAGwow, 2500
14:21.07ZogGMohammadAG, http://www.zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=783437
14:21.17MohammadAGholy shit the atrix is 3500
14:21.55ZogGyou want one?
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14:22.06ZogGcheeper than iphone4 in orange =)
14:22.15ZogGthey are idiots
14:22.24MohammadAGlol the iPhone 4 is like 7000
14:22.35MohammadAGit's not for me
14:22.43ZogGover9000
14:22.50MohammadAGtime to move on from the N8/Symbian^3
14:23.05ZogGMohammadAG, when you go to jordan? =)
14:23.15ZogGyou stick with n900?
14:23.20MohammadAGprobably not soon :P
14:23.24MohammadAGyeah, it's fun
14:23.35MohammadAGI mean, I've used the iPhone 4 for a long time
14:23.39ZogGi have new iphone4 btw
14:23.46ZogGtrying to sell it
14:23.47MohammadAGapps are fun and all, but meh, it's boring
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14:24.18ZogGtap tap revenge is the best
14:24.50MohammadAGlol
14:24.51crashanddieiTunes remote and airport control is awesome
14:25.01ZogGi hate itunes
14:25.08MohammadAGcrashanddie, fancy names, what's airport control?
14:25.15MohammadAGcan I fly a plane with it?
14:25.15crashanddieAirport Express
14:25.23ZogGairportbombing + ?=)
14:25.27crashanddieIt's a router with audio out and USB port
14:25.43MohammadAGisn't that like a PSP and a PS3?
14:25.44crashanddieallows you to stream music to any stereo in the house
14:25.49MohammadAGor VLC and vlc-remote?
14:25.54crashanddieNot really
14:26.06crashanddieThis syncs the sound to be exactly at the same time
14:26.21crashanddieSo I've got the laptop in the study, stereo in room and main stereo in living room
14:26.28MohammadAGyou mean it delays the host so it syncs with the client?
14:26.29crashanddieall are playing the same music, which I control from my pocket/iPod
14:26.39MohammadAGof course, the user doesn't have to notice that
14:26.42crashanddieAnd there is no echo effect, because all play at the exact same time
14:27.00crashanddieSo you can walk from room to room, and not hear any skipping or so
14:27.02crashanddiePretty cool
14:27.30crashanddieit's the size of a Apple power brick, minus the cables, so very portable
14:27.49crashanddieI've used it all over the world in hotel rooms, that way I plug it into the ethernet, and have my own personal wifi hotspot
14:28.00MohammadAGsounds cool
14:28.07crashanddieit's about 90euros
14:28.17crashanddieThe key has been cracked recently
14:28.24MohammadAGbut it needs iTunes, an airport, and an iPod :P
14:28.40MohammadAGfirst one doesn't mix well with Linux
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14:28.41crashanddieWell, it doesn't need the iPod, that's just to control your music from your couch
14:28.57crashanddieThere are C implementations that allow you to stream from Linux to the airport
14:29.03MohammadAGbut it needs the airport
14:29.14crashanddieThere is airfoil on Mac/Windows that allow you to stream any sound on the computer to the airport
14:29.14MohammadAGnever seen an airport tbh
14:29.35crashanddiehttp://www.apple.com/airportexpress/
14:29.36MohammadAGhmm, I wonder if it's at the local office depot...
14:29.45MohammadAGno, I meant I never saw one irl
14:30.34crashanddiehttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/76/164980809_6c54bc2e70.jpg
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14:34.59Khertan:)
14:35.11MohammadAGcrashanddie, lol, isn't that ben gurion? :P
14:35.21crashanddieyeah
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14:35.24KhertanMohammadAG: yep indeed ... upstream patch only ... so i should found something about my bug in the git
14:35.26crashanddie"IRL Airport"
14:36.04MohammadAGgood ol' times, was going to germany
14:36.19KhertanQt by Nokia              pushed 1898 commits  <<<< oh nice ... will be easy to track
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14:36.50Khertanyeah !
14:37.28DocScrutinizerKhertan: XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description always been used in HAM, just nobody used it in their packages :-(
14:37.37Khertanso it s that :)
14:38.00MohammadAGKhertan, you sure it's 1898?
14:38.04Khertanas i found pretty strange to found my upgrade description in the list
14:38.06MohammadAGI'm pretty sure I saw more than that
14:38.18MohammadAGsomething like 3xxx
14:38.42KhertanMohammadAG: the 02/03/11 at 13h32 : 1898
14:39.31Venemohi guys
14:39.53VenemoDocScrutinizer, I use it in my packages
14:40.02DocScrutinizerheh, me too
14:41.26KhertanMohammadAG: hum ... so this mean i should found a work arround now for hilighting the current line in a QTextEdit while i can remove my work arround for ensureVisible :)
14:41.31MohammadAGKhertan, you missed a part
14:41.35MohammadAGt by Nokia pushed 3667 commits to +qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo:4.7-fremantle
14:42.03MohammadAGQString(lastMessage).prepend("Q")
14:42.18Khertan:)
14:42.50Khertan.eye.scrollToTop()
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14:43.29Khertanok ... gitorious isn't really usefull for such large project
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14:45.28DocScrutinizer(XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description) actually I think I verified HAM shows the text under this key only when actually updating a package, but not on initial installation
14:46.05Khertanfatal: early EOF
14:46.06Khertanfatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
14:46.06Khertanfatal: index-pack failed
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14:46.07Khertanmouaha
14:46.25KhertanDocScrutinizer thx for the information
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14:46.38KhertanDocScrutinizer: Khweeteur-experimental package use it :)
14:47.07DocScrutinizeras it shows XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description alternatively to the original description, I tend to add the original description PLUS changelog under XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description
14:47.29Khertanthis is probably what i ll do too
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14:50.20DocScrutinizerbut honestly, some packages have more severe issues with their description - I *HATE* this scheme: "name: foobar-frobbler -- description: port of foobar-frobbler. Frobbles your foobar"
14:50.57MohammadAGversion 0.2, now with extra frobbling power
14:51.08DocScrutinizeryeah \o/
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14:53.24VenemoDocScrutinizer, haha
14:53.35DocScrutinizerall devels doing that should get punished by forcing them to learn tokyo phonebook by heart, and then get examined for a week and get an electroshock for each query they don't know
14:53.37VenemoDocScrutinizer, then you wouldn't like my XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description :P
14:54.30DocScrutinizerVenemo: update description is a bit flawed as it doesn't show original description as well
14:54.34MohammadAGis a "Window" an XID?
14:54.37VenemoDocScrutinizer, "Install this upgrade to get your hands on the new features of Puzzle Master!"
14:54.48MohammadAG~seen javispedro
14:55.04infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17d 17h 26m 5s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'.
14:57.54DocScrutinizerweird
14:58.19DocScrutinizerholiday?
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15:35.44Khertanpfffff can't clone qt-maemo git repository
15:38.33MohammadAGwhy?
15:40.19MohammadAGI need to learn how to use QThread
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15:53.29xd13what r the big changes in the update i just got because i don't c any
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15:57.07crashanddiexd13, apparently, it broke your ability to spell
15:57.26xd13haha
15:58.23xd13why does me shortcutting everything aggravate you so ?
15:58.35crashanddiebecause there is no need to?
15:58.49MohammadAGit's nt jst u
15:58.58MohammadAGryt crashanddie?
15:59.02crashanddieaye
15:59.18MohammadAGaww, I expected a kick
16:00.08xd13but anyway, anyone notice any huge changes in the update, I think my transitions got a little smoother but new features wise I don't see anythign
16:00.12kwtmHi.  Anyone know where the config files for my N900 email accounts are stored?  I backed up everything in ~/ but on restoring I lost my email configuration.  Would like to prevent that from happening again.
16:00.13crashanddiewhat update?
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16:00.32crashanddieblame MohammadAG
16:01.02timeless_mbpkwtm: you should use 'backup'
16:01.08MohammadAGno, blame users not reading wikis :P
16:01.13timeless_mbpthe general answer is that settings are in gconf (/var/lib/gconf)
16:01.29crashanddieno, MohammadAG, I blame you for the SSU, 14.1
16:01.31MohammadAGhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog
16:01.46MohammadAGwhat about it?
16:02.02piggzMohammadAG: great work on cssu
16:02.03kwtmtimeless_mbp: I think that's debatable, since backup has failed me before (the backed up file was not visible somehow) but also backup does not do rsync to my home server.  Will check out gconf.  Thx
16:02.05MohammadAG14.1 was a hotfix for 14
16:02.24timeless_mbpkwtm: err
16:03.01piggzis there a way of getting qml apps from -devel...atm, it seems they are automatically blocked, i guess becuase libqtm-11 is only  in -devel....will this change?
16:06.10timeless_mbpbackups go into ~/MyDocs/Backups/....
16:06.33timeless_mbpif you aren't crossing file systems when you make your rsync, then you'll lose *all* of your personal data
16:06.35timeless_mbpwhich would be rather stupid
16:06.41timeless_mbpbut you're certainly free to do that...
16:06.53kwtmtimeless_mbp: It *would* be rather stupid.  I'm so glad I cross file systems!
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16:07.06timeless_mbpthen i don't see how backup would fail you
16:07.12timeless_mbpand i respectfully request that you file a bug
16:07.26timeless_mbpbecause it's important to indicate when backup isn't working...
16:07.45kwtmtimeless_mbp: However --and I've had this happen before-- I made a few backups --let's say, 4 of them.  On reflashing, when I try to restore using the backup app, it lets me select from 3 of the backups I made --the most recent isn't visible.
16:08.20timeless_mbpso... backup can create backups to ~/MyDocs or your uSD card
16:08.27kwtmtimeless_mbp: Of course, I have no screenshot of this since it's just a fresh system that I restored from.  Somehow when I do something else (I install some applications manually, re-set-up my configs, etc.) then later all 4 backups are visible.
16:08.30timeless_mbpif you create a backup on the uSD card and then remove the uSD card, your backup won't be listed :)
16:08.52kwtmtimeless_mbp: I'm not sure exactly what makes the backups visible again.
16:09.04timeless_mbpMyDocs is fat
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16:09.25kwtmtimeless_mbp: I'm going to assume for the moment that I'm not *that* stupid, and I invite you to do the same.  For example, why would 3 of the backups be visible when all 4 are stored in the same place?
16:09.31timeless_mbpand we don't do screwy things to file system attributes
16:09.43timeless_mbpthere are 2 potential storage locations
16:09.50timeless_mbpinternal mmc, and removable sd
16:10.04timeless_mbpif you didn't have a removable sd when you made your first 3 backups, they'd all go to the internal mmc
16:10.09timeless_mbphowever, if you later insert a removable sd
16:10.17kwtmtimeless_mbp: I mentioned this in this channel and was basically told that that couldn't possibly be, since so much work had been put into the backup program, and thus it was a noob error.  So I'm not really inclined to file a bug, thank you.
16:10.19timeless_mbpit's possible that your next backup would be placed there instead
16:10.21timeless_mbpand if you remove it
16:10.54timeless_mbpthen it wouldn't be listed ...
16:11.01timeless_mbpthis is a supported behavior
16:11.19timeless_mbpand is useful, for e.g. transfering your data before sending your n900 in for servicing...
16:11.21kwtmtimeless_mbp: I know about removable uSD, thanks.  The fact is, not only do I know that the uSD was present for all backups, but that I did not reinsert/remove them in between the time when only 3 were visible and 4 were visible (since it involves removing the battery and then rebooting).
16:11.38timeless_mbperr
16:11.45timeless_mbpyou do *not* need to remove the battery to remove the uSD
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16:12.04timeless_mbpthe SIM card is behind the battery
16:12.06kwtmAnyway, all this is just to explain why I'd like to be able to rsync my data wireless to my home server.  One advantage is that if I drop my N900 into the ocean, I still have my data.
16:12.08timeless_mbpthe uSD is not
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16:12.28kwtmWhy, you're right!  I was thinking of the SIM card.  Ok, so that makes my point even more: I have *never* removed the uSD card from my N900 once inserted.
16:12.46timeless_mbpwell, now you've learned something new ;)
16:13.08kwtmthe uSD is too small for me to handle comfortably, so I decided that once I put it in, it would stay in.  The only exception was when I got my 2nd (and 3rd) N900, I inserted the uSD card into that device.
16:14.03kwtmSo, back to the original point ... would it be reasonable to expect that if I've backed up (using rsync or other copying strategy) everything under ~/ and under /var/lib/gconf  that my email account info would be preserved and restorable?
16:14.26crashanddieAs a product manager, I'd be tempted to reply: Of course not.
16:14.38timeless_mbp"no"
16:14.41crashanddieAs a linux hacker, I'd be tempted to reply: use strace and find out.
16:14.48timeless_mbpbecause using rsync to restore to /var/lib/gconf isn't likely to do the right thing
16:14.58kwtmThen I guess back to the original question ... where is the email account info stored, so that I can restore it after a flash?
16:14.59timeless_mbpthe proper way is w/ gconf-tool2 or whatever
16:15.12MohammadAGgcontool-2*
16:15.12timeless_mbpthis is your account info
16:15.23timeless_mbpoffers mohammadag an 'f' :)
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16:15.30kwtmtimeless_mbp: Oh, note that I didn't say I was going to use rsync to restore.  But that is where the information is if I need to restore?
16:15.34timeless_mbpthe account contents of course are in MyDocs
16:15.36MohammadAGaccepts it
16:15.37timeless_mbpyes
16:15.39kwtmMohammadAG: Thank you.
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16:15.53MohammadAGgconftool-2*
16:16.28kwtmSo, I guess the next question is: if I want to restore, then I use gconftool-2?  That will say (more or less) "If you still have everything under MyDocs, I can restore the email account info"?
16:16.59timeless_mbpthe account configuration lives in gconf
16:17.06ArkanoiD-tried new modest.. looks nice, but it still takes 4 taps to get to my inbox :-((
16:17.19timeless_mbpi have no idea how to convert a stale copy of a gconf file system into something that gconftool-2 can use to feed to a live gconf world
16:17.23timeless_mbpbut in theory it should be doable
16:17.32timeless_mbpthe mydocs content is just your mail
16:17.41kwtmtimeless_mbp: When you say account contents, you mean the contents of the email messages themselves?  I see.  So the settings (name of mail server, port numbers etc.) are in gconf.
16:17.51timeless_mbpright
16:17.52corecodeany hint how to debug "authentication failed" messages for wpa/peap?
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16:18.15MohammadAGget schemas from /*?
16:18.21MohammadAGthen register them
16:18.25corecodethis works on our campus network, but here it doesn't, so i'd like to log some info what is failing exactly
16:19.08kwtmtimeless_mbp: So from what you are saying, if I use the Backup app, then the backup info itself (being stored in MyDocs) would be rsync'd by my backup strategy of saving everything under ~/, and then when I restore them back, then I can use the Backup app to restore my email account info (even though that info itself was stored in /var/whatever/gconf) right?
16:19.26timeless_mbpyes
16:19.40timeless_mbpthe backup system has hooks which let apps serialize and restore settings
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16:20.01timeless_mbp(more or less)
16:20.09kwtmtimeless_mbp: Ok.  I will remember for next time.  One more question, out of curiosity:
16:20.20timeless_mbpsure
16:21.10kwtmYou said  [09:06] <timeless_mbp> if you aren't crossing file systems when you make your rsync, then you'll lose *all* of your personal data     What was it I said that made you wonder if I might have included the   --one-file-system   flag?
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16:22.24timeless_mbpit was <back up all of ~/>
16:22.37timeless_mbpthere are plenty of naive implementations which would avoid crossing file systems
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16:36.28MohammadAGmuhaha
16:36.47MohammadAGI figured out how to take a splash screenshot in Qt
16:37.07MohammadAGi.e this http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-window-take-screenshot but in Qt
16:38.52timeless_mbpthe documentation is buggy
16:38.56timeless_mbpit should say 'extant' not 'existent'
16:40.12timeless_mbpalso 'time changes' in the comment is bogus
16:40.18timeless_mbp'time changes' every minute
16:40.19timeless_mbp...
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16:51.21Khertan_n900Hello !
16:52.41Khertan_n900MohammedAG : This is worst from what i think. Unfortunatly each time i try to clone the git repository i got connection error from gitorious. Will be hard to see the problem without the code :(
16:53.12MohammadAGif anyone's interested in it, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/0410f02d8083b184fcd50c03bbbec5d69ef9c163
16:53.17MohammadAGheya Khertan
16:53.39MohammadAGKhertan_n900, which repo, ours or gitorious's?
16:53.46Khertan_n900This affect every Qt App that use QTextEdit, and QLineEdit,
16:54.09Khertan_n900MohammadAG : the qt gitorious
16:55.02Khertan_n900The best way to got this fixed quickly is to fix it myself i think :)
16:55.27Khertan_n900this is why i was trying to see which commit add this bug
16:55.34MohammadAGdid you report a bug upstream?
16:55.34MohammadAGi.e on Qt bugtrackers
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16:57.18Khertan_n900yep nbut i need to complete and edit it again as i affect all selection not just setExtraSelection
16:58.10Khertan_n900http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720
16:58.36Khertan_n900it s a real pain to enter bug in this bugtracker with microb
16:58.45Khertan_n900~ping
16:58.45infobot~pong
17:00.15MohammadAGtry to clone the CSSU repo
17:00.30MohammadAGthe qt repo fails for me too, I used a server to clone and push
17:00.50MohammadAGthen reset git commits up until upstream
17:01.43Khertan_n900i ll try tomorrow as currently i didn't have any stable connection and nothing more than my n900 on 3g :) (i m in a train)
17:03.44Khertan_n900yep i ll try that tomorrow
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17:05.19Khertan_n900it s not funny that there isn't any line about maemo in the changelog
17:05.49Khertan_n900also i didn't see any mention of the merged commit i do on QAbstractKineticScroller in the changelog
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17:14.54MohammadAGKhertan_n900, it's merged
17:15.02MohammadAGsec
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17:15.28MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commit/22716aa9c2e6aa8fe40eba499bdb0b987014bdb7
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17:20.39MohammadAGwhat's better than tinypic? Apparently they replace screenshots/images when they feel like it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=811829#post811829 >.<
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17:25.05norayrhey people
17:25.23norayrMy friend in another city wants to buy a second hand n810
17:25.46norayrSo I am unable to help him to check her purchase.
17:25.55norayrher
17:26.06norayrWhat can you suggest me to tell her
17:26.07norayrto check
17:26.23norayrBy taking into consideration that I cannot suggesto to open a terminal and type commands
17:26.36ArkanoiD-angry birds rio looks great
17:26.42norayrJust how would she check that tablet works in order to buy it?
17:26.49ArkanoiD-shame we do not have a native version
17:27.56xd13copying all of looney tunes 2 n900....this is going 2 take a while
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18:02.04divansantanai've got a bug with latest CSSU update. It says not enough free space, I've got 826.5M free, which is 97% full (since I did the partition). Does the software look at the percentage perhaps?
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18:15.03ejasmudar@divansanatana, how much rootfs space do u have?
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18:34.42yaccWondering, are there any tricks to consider for charging the N900 on USB (from a 12V car USB plug), ...
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18:37.30cehtehyacc: there are adapters, just be careful to use a micro usb standard charging compatible one
18:37.52cehtehthat is both data pins are shortened (possibly with a resistor)
18:38.16cehtehotherwise it will only draw 100ma which is not enough for charging
18:38.20yaccWell, the plug works well enough with my daughters iPhone, and the MicroUSB cable works well enough for charging when connected to the PC, ...
18:38.58yaccAh sucks, that would look like the symptoms => no charging animation, but orange LED after it turned itself off, ...
18:39.05cehtehyou can try shortening the data pins by yourself
18:39.49cehtehwell and its not the n900 fault, it just follows the standard, other devices dont
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18:52.24DocScrutinizerindeed
18:52.30DocScrutinizerand no resistor needed
18:52.43DocScrutinizerjust short the middle two pins
18:57.19divansantana@ejasmudar as said, 826MB in /home or /opt, had 73M in rootfs, remmoved some data out of /opt or /home and all was fine, posted to the ML.
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19:12.40real_atehi all! i'm looking for a bit of help... I keep getting "connection reset by peer" when I try and download a podcast using gpodder on my n900 and what to know what to do to figure out what is wrong
19:13.13real_atecan anyone point me in the direction of figuring out what is wrong with my phone/gpodder/my network?
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19:16.10pupnikhi real_ate
19:16.16real_atepupnik: hi
19:16.58pupnikcan you download large files without problems?
19:17.38real_atepupnik: i'm not sure... i just tried to download the offending file through my web browser and it ends prematurly, i.e. instantly
19:18.13real_ateso it seems to be a phone problem ... :/
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19:20.15real_atepupnik: any idea how i can narrow this down? or is there anything that i can do ?
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19:26.02pupnikreal_ate: are you connected via wifi or cell network?
19:26.23pupnikreal_ate: try to transfer larger files from local computers
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19:26.35real_atepupnik: i'm on wifi
19:26.40real_atepupnik: i'll try that now
19:27.22pupniki'm not aware of any particular tweaks needed
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19:35.19real_atepupnik: downloading seems fine on my internal network
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19:39.37pupnikreal_ate: hmm hmm.  you could install 'wget' on the n900 and try 'wget http://pupnik.de/airstrike_1.0_pre6.deb'  for e.g
19:40.00pupnikor http://pupnik.de/Ultima7_music_stereo_remastered_mp3.tgz   for a larger file
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19:49.25real_atepupnik: downloading now
19:49.37real_atepupnik: hmm... seems to have stalled at 5%
19:49.43pupnik:*
19:50.37real_atehasn't kicked back in yet
19:50.43real_ate... hmm... i'll try again
19:50.49pupnikwonder if maybe your MTU is set too high
19:51.04pupnikyou could try setting the maximum transmission of your unit 10% lower
19:51.09real_atedoesn't know what MTU is
19:51.41pupnikhave you used other laptops/computers on the wireless lan?
19:52.02real_ateyea.. but come to think of it there are some problems with them sometimes too
19:52.27real_atepupnik: ssh over the wireless hangs
19:52.41real_ateevery so often it just pauses and won't kick back in
19:53.06pupnik:/
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19:54.34SpeedEvilreal_ate: Typical of powersaving not working well.
19:55.01SpeedEvilTry turning off powersaving. settings -> internet connections ->then scroll all the way to the end - and the powersave settings are there
19:57.47pupnikahh gooddness advice from mr SpeedEvil
19:58.13real_ateSpeedEvil: still cutting out but it made it to 30% instead of 5%
19:58.35SpeedEvilIt does this even if you're closer to the router?
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19:58.52real_atebrb
19:58.55real_ategoes to check
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20:07.32real_ateSpeedEvil: it seems to be better in the same room as the router
20:07.40real_atebut not working 100% yet
20:08.07real_ateit downloaded fine the first time, then made it to 90% the second
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20:08.14pupnik:(
20:08.47real_atepupnik: am i killing your bandwidth btw ? :/
20:08.52pupnikno
20:09.47SpeedEvilodd
20:10.10real_ateSpeedEvil: do you think this MTU problem has legs?
20:10.39real_atedoes anyone know how I check if its set too high?
20:11.17SpeedEvilI dunno.
20:11.18pupnikwell it shouldnt be a problem with a sensible ISP
20:11.24SpeedEvilI'm probably going to sleep.
20:11.30pupnikcheers
20:11.35real_ateSpeedEvil: thank you for your help!
20:11.59real_atepupnik: its prob not a problem since my provider is a Fiber provide....
20:12.08real_atei assume they know what they are doing ;)
20:12.13real_ateVirgin Broadband
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20:14.21pupnikmtu would be set in your router / wifi configuration
20:14.34FIQPR1.3.3.7
20:14.44FIQhmmmmmmmm, why would it be called that........ :P
20:14.45pupnikbut if you got 30% then it seems unlikely that's the problem
20:14.50pupniklol
20:15.02FIQa coincidence ofc
20:16.24real_atepupnik: i have done the "ping test" for mtu... its not the problem
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20:17.01pupnikcheck forums perhaps - i have no idea
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20:19.05real_atepupnik: thanks for your help
20:19.14pupnikgood luck!
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20:35.58MohammadAGdoes anyone know how to interpret key presses that show up in /dev/input/eventX?
20:37.56GeneralAntilleschuckles at the Humble Bundle showing, once again, how stingy Windows users are.
20:39.22ShadowJKWell they'd be skint, spending all their money on windows in the first place ;D
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20:40.47real_ateeh... does everyone see this page all wrong ? http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/wireless_sync_for_media-especially_music/
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20:43.32argent0hi, i mount the device using mass storge mode (i'm using linux). Where should i put music files?
20:43.43trxMohammadAG http://www.thelinuxdaily.com/2010/05/grab-raw-keyboard-input-from-event-device-node-devinputevent/
20:44.37nox-there also is evtest (tho no idea if on n900)
20:46.21ShadowJKargent0, .sounds
20:46.34trxnox- i dont think so
20:47.03argent0ShadowJK: i did tried there, but how can i acces that folder from the term on the device?
20:47.59ShadowJKMyDocs/.sounds
20:49.10argent0ShadowJK: Thank you very much ideed
20:49.51DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input
20:50.02DocScrutinizer+/
20:50.09DocScrutinizer+*
20:50.12MohammadAGtrx, DocScrutinizer thanks
20:50.27MohammadAGI suppose bluez allows a connection to a device without pairing?
20:51.16DocScrutinizerif the device had been paired before, then probably yes
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20:55.34MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, unpaired, has no pairing key
20:56.57DocScrutinizerwell, afaik you can transmit data via BT to an unpaired device as well. Otherwise the BT dating in arabic subways and busses wouldn't work ;-D
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20:59.27DocScrutinizerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluedating
21:01.13DocScrutinizerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothing
21:02.07MohammadAGheh, the PS3's BT remote is fun
21:02.15tripzeroyou can send files without pairing
21:02.23MohammadAG0-9 keys actually send proper HID codes
21:02.29MohammadAGeject ejects my laptop's drive
21:03.03MohammadAGplay button toggles playback too
21:03.11MohammadAGI love how sony uses standards for most parts
21:07.44MohammadAGtripzero, try pairing without a key, it doesn't work
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21:09.14MohammadAGat least with the N900's UI
21:09.50ShadowJKuh, duh
21:10.00GeneralAntillesSeasoning large batches of caste iron is such a pain.
21:10.08pupnik??
21:10.17ShadowJKBecause pairing is all about exchanging the keys to make a permanent (until user deletes it) authentication
21:10.17pupnikseasoning?
21:10.24pupnikwb GeneralAntilles
21:10.41GeneralAntilless/caste/cast
21:10.50GeneralAntillespupnik: bonding a layer of carbon to the surface.
21:11.01pupnikinteresting activity
21:11.13GeneralAntillespupnik: never cooked on cast iron?
21:11.27pupnikyes
21:11.33pupniki always scrubbed it
21:11.55pupnikguess i'm silly
21:11.57MohammadAGShadowJK, connecting without a key should be possible with the UI nontheless
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21:12.02MohammadAGmost mice and HID devices don't come with a key nowadays
21:12.12GeneralAntillespupnik: better than teflon when it's seasoned correctly.
21:12.43pupnikgood ol tech! :)
21:12.58GeneralAntillesYes.
21:14.25DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: those have a standard pin, like 0000
21:15.50ShadowJKknew how to make BlueZ3 accept unauthenticated incoming connection :/
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21:17.42MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, not the one I'm using now
21:17.43DocScrutinizerI usually name my BT device "Your Network Provider Update Service ", so when I try to send a file to an unpaired other phone, the message showing there is: >>Your Network Provider Update Service wants to transmit a file! Accept / Reject?<<
21:18.23nox-haha
21:18.48pupnikwb nox
21:18.54nox-moin pupnik
21:18.55pupniknice
21:21.30GeneralAntillesBy the way, in case you've missed it: http://www.humblebundle.com/
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21:23.03pupnikany you enjoy from that GeneralAntilles ?
21:23.54GeneralAntillespupnik: Only played a bit of Trine. Mostly a cartoony D2 clone.
21:23.59GeneralAntillesBut well enough put togeth.r
21:25.22pupnikdescent 2?  <nausea>
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21:29.08GeneralAntillesDiable II
21:29.22pupnikoh neat
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21:30.24GeneralAntillespupnik, ever played Avara?
21:31.09MohammadAG~seen lcuk
21:31.17infobotlcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11d 23h 36m 1s ago, saying: 'thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?'.
21:33.23pupniknope GeneralAntilles
21:34.14pupnikinteresting, something macheads would know
21:35.25pupnikoh bolo was fun too
21:35.53SpeedEvilBolo was awesome.
21:36.25GeneralAntillesBolo was amazing.
21:36.30pupnik:)
21:36.32GeneralAntillesI wish they had a modern clone that people actually played.
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21:38.15pupnikthere was something a bit similar for PC called 'snipe'
21:38.23pupnik"brun bolo"
21:38.30pupnikahh brun
21:38.32pupnikthe memories
21:39.10pupnik"whirr whirr whirr"
21:40.59pupnikand the sound of that apple speaker
21:42.49pupniknice touch: in bolo explosions from enemies that touched you would kill you
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21:55.57pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba030UmbkCo  TSA molests and drug tests 6 year old  baahahah
21:56.08pupnikcomments are precious
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22:44.54SpeedEvilhttp://www.dealextreme.com/p/cute-toilet-plunger-shaped-silicone-stand-holder-for-cell-phone-black-70408
22:45.09SpeedEvilI see china has their own definition of cute.
22:45.25GeneralAntillesWhat the hell kind of useless game doesn't let you bind punctuation keys? . . .
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22:49.51pupnikhehe the one i'm on has limited bindings also
22:50.55SpeedEvilI've played nethack on the n900.
22:50.58SpeedEvilIt's a bit silly.
22:51.28cehtehmhm .. i have an external numpad keyboard .. with hostmode one could plug that into the n900
22:51.42cehtehonce i buyed that for playing nethack on my laptop :P
22:51.49SpeedEvilThat would make nethack actually playable.
22:51.59cehtehexactly :)
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22:52.19DibblahRight. Confirmed, I think, that something is very dead in my N900's VBUS circuitry.
22:52.20SpeedEvilOr travel-to-press.
22:52.32SpeedEvilIs it a rabbit?
22:53.04DibblahCould be, but it'd have to be a very small rabbit. A pico-rabbit, if you will.
22:53.09trxhaha
22:53.59SpeedEvilWhere were you  applying vbus?
22:54.49Dibblahhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MICROSOFT-BLUETOOTH-NUMBER-PAD-MODEL-1391-/150574209746?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item230eec1ad2
22:55.06DibblahOn the fuse right next to the USB port.
22:55.33DibblahI've confirmed continuity all the way up to a capacitor just by the USB charger chip.
22:56.35SpeedEvilOh - I was thinking GAIA had the USB hostmode charegpump and battery charger - my bad.
22:56.40SpeedEvilMemory fade.
22:58.23pupnika collection of free icons http://www.neurosoftware.ro/programming-blog/blogposter/web-resources/the-top-50-web-development-icon-sets-from-2009/
22:58.51SpeedEvilHmm. Someone plugged in a high voltage PSU - then ripped the USB connector off - then tried for warranty?
23:01.30DibblahCould be - But you'd have to be rather insane to make up a microUSB -> anything other than 5v.
23:01.39SpeedEvilBroken charger?
23:02.21DibblahPossibly. Would have to be very broken to be able to desolder the connector :)
23:03.06SpeedEvilMaybe they thought that that would be a fault that required a motherboard replacement - and warranty was denied for some reason?
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23:04.32DibblahI'm going with "it's just broke and I can't fix it" :)
23:04.40SpeedEvilFair enough.
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