| 00:00.55 | compengi | hello, how do i update the adobe flash player? i guess i still have the version LNX 9,0,277,0 cause i can't watch videos from facebook anymore |
| 00:06.25 | MohammadAG | use tweakflashversion to fake the version |
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| 00:22.55 | compengi | MohammadAG, that's like shooting yourself in the leg |
| 00:23.36 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 00:23.49 | Venemo | could anyone help me with this? my N900 refuses tethering: http://fpaste.org/7RUa/ |
| 00:25.33 | MohammadAG | nah, it's not :P |
| 00:26.18 | Venemo | MohammadAG ? |
| 00:28.07 | MohammadAG | Venemo, wasn't @ you :) |
| 00:28.36 | Venemo | MohammadAG, oh, sorry. anyway do you have an idea what the problem is? |
| 00:28.53 | MohammadAG | never used USB tethering sorry |
| 00:29.06 | MohammadAG | but, when NetworkManager fails, I just unplug and replug in another port |
| 00:29.11 | MohammadAG | (USB modem) |
| 00:29.21 | Venemo | mhm |
| 00:30.56 | Venemo | MohammadAG, alternatively, do you know any usable torrent application that works on N900? |
| 00:31.15 | MohammadAG | doesn't transmission work? |
| 00:31.22 | MohammadAG | (and probably rape IO) |
| 00:31.54 | Venemo | it doesn't work on PR1.3 |
| 00:32.40 | nox- | is rtorrent ported? |
| 00:33.06 | Venemo | seems so |
| 00:33.18 | Venemo | although I can't use it |
| 00:33.36 | nox- | doesnt work either? |
| 00:34.03 | Venemo | no, I'm just not familiar with it |
| 00:34.12 | Venemo | although I'm reading a howto now :P |
| 00:34.30 | nox- | ah |
| 00:43.22 | Venemo | meh. rtorrent can't connect to the server. |
| 00:43.34 | nox- | :( |
| 00:44.30 | Venemo | the problem is that on my current connection, torrents are forbidden. this one is relatively small, so I thought I'd give it a try on da N90 |
| 00:44.34 | Venemo | N900* |
| 00:45.58 | Venemo | hmm |
| 00:46.02 | Venemo | now this is interesting!!! |
| 00:46.09 | Venemo | Transmission decided that it will work now :) |
| 00:46.28 | nox- | o_O |
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| 00:47.56 | Venemo | maybe it was fixed? |
| 00:49.13 | Venemo | anyway. "5 minutes remaining" - that's very nice HSDPA speed :) |
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| 00:55.15 | Venemo | anyway, good night :) |
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| 02:16.45 | Dhraakellian | trying to install some stuff in scratchbox |
| 02:17.02 | Dhraakellian | it looks like apt is having some trouble resolving repository.maemo.org |
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| 03:12.52 | ZogG | Jaffa, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=873Ig7-wS9Q - maybe you should add it to news, monodev on n900 |
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| 03:20.41 | Clmbr | Halo fellow Maemoian's |
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| 06:08.53 | lolcat | what is flash sms? |
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| 06:29.03 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/radar10w2_free_market/ |
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| 08:27.59 | alterego | woooooooof |
| 08:29.07 | Venemo | hey alterego :) |
| 08:29.39 | alterego | Hey :) |
| 08:29.48 | alterego | h |
| 08:29.56 | alterego | Having a good weekend? |
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| 08:31.20 | Venemo | sure. spent yesterday mostly with sleeping :P |
| 08:31.41 | Venemo | alterego, do you wanna have some C++0x fun? I've been experimenting with something interesting. |
| 08:34.43 | alterego | Oh yeah, what's that? |
| 08:35.13 | alterego | I've been experimenting with something interesting in qml over the past couple of days actually :) |
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| 08:39.04 | Venemo | alterego, I've implemented Queryable class that can spare me some code |
| 08:39.14 | Venemo | alterego, for a small demonstration, check this: http://pastebin.com/adpfkCqB |
| 08:40.13 | Venemo | alterego, lambdas ROCK! :) |
| 08:41.07 | alterego | That is cool :) |
| 08:41.31 | alterego | And yes, lamdbas are awesome, I didn't know they were in C++ yet. |
| 08:42.52 | Venemo | alterego, well, they are not (yet), but C++0x has them. and C++0x has just been finalized, and fortunately GCC already supports some of it :) |
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| 08:43.34 | alterego | Cool |
| 08:43.43 | Venemo | there is only one downside to this all |
| 08:44.19 | alterego | ? |
| 08:44.21 | Venemo | Qt Creator chokes on lambdas. http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-4439 |
| 08:45.02 | alterego | Heh |
| 08:45.33 | Venemo | so the code compiles (even when I use Qt Creator), it just underlines the lines with lambdas and it also breaks the auto-indent functionality |
| 08:46.06 | alterego | Yeah, |
| 08:47.13 | alterego | Well, I've been playing with auto UI generation. |
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| 08:47.30 | Venemo | here is the implementation of Queryable: http://pastebin.com/tZdkJQCd what do you think about it? |
| 08:47.38 | Venemo | what's auto UI generation? :) |
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| 08:52.30 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 08:52.41 | Venemo | at first, from the sounds of it, I thought it will be something that generates a form from the metadata of a model class |
| 08:53.23 | Venemo | but this is cool too :) |
| 08:53.37 | alterego | I wanted to do it so Columbus could have plugins that add actions to a types context menu. For instance, I have a plugin that allows you to open your current location in google maps, what this will allow the plugin to do is extend the UI and allow me to open any kind of "location" in google maps practically free. |
| 08:54.01 | Venemo | now that's _very_ cool :) |
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| 11:40.55 | alterego | This is good: http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/Z.Kalal/tld.html |
| 11:40.56 | alterego | :) |
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| 11:45.09 | Termana | good morning |
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| 11:55.20 | kwtm | alterego: Unable to flash firmware yesterday. :( DocScrutinizer stayed up late trying to help me. |
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| 11:55.53 | alterego | kwtm: :( |
| 11:56.09 | alterego | kwtm: can you give me a summary of what your issues were? |
| 11:56.14 | alterego | s/were/are/ :) |
| 11:56.33 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: is very capable, I doubt I'll be able to add anything more to what he suggested though |
| 11:57.00 | kwtm | alterego: Sure. This is what we tried. So, first off, I've flashed about 7 times before. This was about a year ago. No problem each time. This time, what happened was: |
| 11:57.40 | kwtm | Oh, and I used the same script from last time that I wrote, just to make sure I wasn't mnissing any steps and I could go over and make sure there were no typos. This is the same script that successfully flashed last year. |
| 11:58.05 | alterego | m'hmm |
| 11:58.13 | kwtm | I started flasher program; it said "waiting for USB" (not exact words --you know what I mean) --- and then I connected while holding down U key. |
| 11:59.07 | kwtm | Then it said "USB found " and then about 4 more lines of output, and then it said again "waiting for USB " and then it just hung, and would not flash. The N900 screen had the Nokia logo but no backlight, and the USB icon appeared in the upper right, but then disappeared. |
| 11:59.11 | alterego | This is an N900 right? |
| 11:59.31 | kwtm | This is my 3rd N900, yes. This is what we eliminated: |
| 11:59.50 | kwtm | it wasn't from my patching the Vanilla eMMC image since I also tried to flash the unmodified image. |
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| 12:00.13 | kwtm | it wasn't a battery problem or a USB cable problem since, amazingly, I could flash the firmware with no problem ... but not the eMMC. (???!?!?) |
| 12:00.22 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:00.49 | kwtm | it was not an "order of execution" thing since we tried different orders of firmware first then eMMC or vice versa, or even just only doing the eMMC. |
| 12:01.04 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:01.13 | kwtm | We tried the "absolutely safe" way of doing it by first removing battery, then plugging in USB cable, then holding down U key, then inserting battery. |
| 12:01.29 | alterego | I don't bother with the 'u' key to be honest. |
| 12:01.34 | alterego | Just turning it on works for me. |
| 12:01.50 | alterego | Did you try that? |
| 12:01.51 | kwtm | So, anyway, I am astounded that everything went so smoothly last year and now this doesn't work. |
| 12:02.02 | kwtm | alterego: Of course I tried that. :P |
| 12:02.11 | alterego | So you're using Linux as the host OS presumably? |
| 12:02.23 | kwtm | I can only think of one thing but I was just too exhausted to try any more. |
| 12:02.48 | kwtm | Yes, I'm using Linux. Oh, yes, and we eliminated the cdc_phonet and *phonet modules as a problem since I unloaded those and blacklisted them. |
| 12:03.20 | alterego | Those shouldn't be a problem, the OS shouldn't even be getting that far for flashing. |
| 12:03.32 | alterego | What version of Linux are you using? |
| 12:04.10 | alterego | s/version/dist/ :) |
| 12:04.32 | kwtm | So the only thing I can think of are two: the eMMC firmware image, which is the same as what I got last year (so I didn't download a new copy yesterday) does not work with PR 1.3 (I've been using PR 1.2 up to now). Or ... there is a new eMMC firmware image they've put up, but it has the EXACT SAME filename (including the version number embedded into the filename). |
| 12:04.41 | kwtm | Kubuntu 10.04 (long-term-support edition) |
| 12:05.14 | alterego | I'm pretty certain the image isn't a problem, as it doesn't even seem to be getting that far. |
| 12:05.33 | alterego | You could always check the checksum though of your vanilla emmc download. |
| 12:17.05 | jacekowski | kwtm: emmc is same |
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| 12:18.12 | kwtm | jacekowski: That's what I thought. The ONLY other thing I can think of is ... somehow Ubuntu changed, so that the flasher program doesn't work correctly any more. :P |
| 12:18.48 | jacekowski | kwtm: what is the error message you get? |
| 12:18.50 | kwtm | It's a very attractive option since one no longer needs to check if the problem is at Nokia's end, but somehow I doubt it. |
| 12:18.55 | alterego | kwtm: I think it wouldn't flash rootfs if there was some inherent problem with ubuntu+flasher |
| 12:18.59 | kwtm | jacekowski: Let me call up the previous paste .. |
| 12:19.02 | kwtm | alterego: True. |
| 12:21.04 | kwtm | jacekowski: I think I erased my copyscreen. Anyway, there was no error message, just a "No suitable USB device found, waiting." message. Note that this is the SECOND message; there is a first such message just before I plug in, and then when I plug in the USB, it immediately says ... whatever it's supposed to say, about 4 lines of output, something like "Found USB device at address xxx bus xxx \n Now doing whatever \n ... \n No |
| 12:21.05 | kwtm | suitable USB device found, waiting." |
| 12:21.28 | jacekowski | kwtm: hmm, are you on windows? |
| 12:21.42 | kwtm | either DocScrutinizer or nox- was saying, "looks like it decided to boot up into kernel mode" or something --the USB icon did disappear. |
| 12:21.52 | kwtm | [05:04] <kwtm> Kubuntu 10.04 (long-term-support edition) |
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| 12:23.15 | alterego | kwtm: did you check the checksum |
| 12:23.38 | kwtm | alterego: No, I did not. I flashed this same image last year, though, and it worked. |
| 12:24.20 | alterego | I'd check to be sure |
| 12:24.37 | alterego | tablets-dev has a list of md5 and sha checksums |
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| 14:55.22 | RST38h | Northrop Grumman said they successfully tested for the first time an on-board laser defense system known as the Maritime Laser Demonstrator (MLD), using it to destroy a small target vessel. |
| 14:55.37 | RST38h | The test actually accomplished several other benchmarks, including integrating MLD with a ship's radar and navigation system, and firing an electric laser weapon from a moving platform at-sea in a humid environment. |
| 14:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | pets his MTHELs |
| 14:58.51 | RST38h | Ok, the target was basically a dinghy boat |
| 15:00.28 | RST38h | And the good engineers have been sawing it for a while before it blew up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awsQs4ct0c4 |
| 15:02.12 | RST38h | Looks like Elite/Frontier were pretty much on target in terms of required laser burn times, except that no shielding will be required =) |
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| 15:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm missed to mention he always started flasher via a script he wrote. Just for completeness of the testbed description... |
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| 15:07.13 | alterego | Hah |
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| 15:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: indeed. I asked him to start that single cmdline via direct entry to a shell, but he was reluctant. |
| 15:32.33 | alterego | :) |
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| 15:33.08 | alterego | I'd be interested to see if he did the checksum |
| 15:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | that as well |
| 15:33.26 | alterego | Have"t heard anything from him in a while, it is a very curious issue .. |
| 15:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | I'll not help in *anything* further investigation, than just >>download fresh VANILLA, start flasher cmd via cmdline and c&p that very line here for scrutinizing<< |
| 15:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | oh, I missed >>boot PC<< |
| 15:36.50 | alterego | :D |
| 15:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think any modules on PC are irrelevant, as even ROM BL enumerates |
| 15:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | *might* result in udev loading whatever freaky kernel module that spoils the show |
| 15:37.44 | alterego | Well he seemed to say that rootfs flashed fine |
| 15:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | it did |
| 15:38.26 | psycho_oreos | you two familiar with OneNAND's error blocks? are they critical if found to have errors when the device is booted? (N900) |
| 15:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | but that's been like 6 tries, with random rmmod in between |
| 15:38.44 | alterego | hurp, starting to feel a bit chilly now, might have to grab a jumper. |
| 15:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: error blocks of NAND are a really tricky thing |
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| 15:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | sure they must not have errors, but then they never get written, except when "formatting" the NAND |
| 15:40.21 | BigWookie | is there a way to install coreutils without killing the os? |
| 15:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | BigWookie: coreutils-gnu, works fine |
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| 15:41.22 | BigWookie | head->table, thanks :) |
| 15:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you're interested in links with details about OBB error blocks etc? |
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| 15:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks |
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| 15:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | (NB the incredible PaulFertser and SpeedEvil contributed to that page as well) |
| 15:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | great paper: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/pjd/papers/fast10-flash.pdf |
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| 16:04.59 | pupnik_ | DocScrutinizer: i thought the NAND controller would handle bad blocks transparently |
| 16:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: nope, you mean the SD controller |
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| 16:05.36 | pupnik_ | ahh |
| 16:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | widespread misconception about NAND |
| 16:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | jffs/ubifs are exactly about emulating that controller on plain dumb NAND like the 256MB on SoC |
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| 16:08.45 | SpeedEvil | wishes he could program the processor on microSDs. |
| 16:09.07 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:10.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you *can* "program the processor" of oneNAND though ;-) |
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| 16:11.09 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 16:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if you could _bypass_ the processor of SD cards |
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| 16:11.36 | RST38h | no |
| 16:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | never say never! |
| 16:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | there might be undocumented service cmds |
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| 16:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | of course highly proprietary |
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| 16:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | hell, there might even be a flashing romcode option for the controller, but you'd need a helluvalot of non-disclosed papers to exploit that |
| 16:13.58 | RST38h | no such thing even in command set extensions |
| 16:14.14 | RST38h | and I think the command set has been designed to avoid possible buffer overflows |
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| 16:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'm even quite sure each controller has its own set of fab QA cmds, to access certain "direct" functions to verify certain quality standards of the flash chip |
| 16:16.21 | pupnik_ | hmm |
| 16:16.40 | pupnik_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/flight404/4350866500/in/photostream/ Visualization of forces generated by subatomic interaction |
| 16:16.56 | RST38h | Dunno, if it does, probably requires a different hw connection |
| 16:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, quite probably |
| 16:17.55 | RST38h | Maybe SPI mode, which all cards have to support by the standard, but few people actually use |
| 16:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's what I would do, to ensure nobody (runaway prog) nukes the card |
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| 16:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | I'd go for nonstandard logic levels, like "rise VDD to nominal+15%" |
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| 16:19.40 | RST38h | BTW, you can make host quickly run through all possible commands (512 - known ones) and see if you get any positive responses |
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| 16:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | as each interface knows how to SPI as well |
| 16:20.22 | user_ | anyone knows if meego has got a build in updater? |
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| 16:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you bet that's some cmd sequence like "write 47 to 11, then write 11 to 47" - hard to find with a simple scan |
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| 16:22.27 | SpeedEvil | What would be awesome would be some generalised API to access theNAND raw. |
| 16:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, user_ is on my ignorelist |
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| 16:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | user_ told too much nonsense yesterday |
| 16:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly |
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| 16:32.08 | RST38h | Adrian Hands was suffering from ALS and had lost motor skills when he used his legs to type in Morse code and fix a 9-year-old bug in Gnome. The patch was submitted three days before he passed away. |
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| 16:36.26 | MohammadAG | Qt 4.7.2 seems to be working fine |
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| 16:37.21 | RST38h | have they fixed the locale bug? |
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| 16:37.44 | RST38h | where it looked at the secondary keyboard language to guess the locale? |
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| 16:39.24 | MohammadAG | RST38h, hm, how do I test that? |
| 16:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | they did WHAT?! |
| 16:42.24 | RST38h | Set secondary language to something non-English, then run a localized Qt app, like Qthello |
| 16:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha, a funny idea |
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| 16:42.43 | RST38h | In my case, Qthello comes up with Russian menus and cues |
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| 16:43.07 | RST38h | Even though the only "Russian" setting I have is the secondary keyboard language |
| 16:43.42 | GAN900 | "No, no I don't know whether that book is 'downloadable'. . . ." |
| 16:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 16:44.26 | RST38h | GAN900: You might enjoy that British "Black Books"soap |
| 16:45.13 | RST38h | "Computer? What computer? To your knees! Here we have the Musical History section. Search!" |
| 16:45.44 | GAN900 | Haha |
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| 16:46.12 | RST38h | Poor guy crawled out of woodwork two episodes later,with a book in his hands, weeping "I found it, found it!" |
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| 17:04.26 | njain | hey all |
| 17:04.49 | njain | could anyone suggest me how do I check the call_status of the incoming call |
| 17:05.01 | njain | using dbus-python methods |
| 17:05.06 | pupnik_ | dunno |
| 17:05.20 | pupnik_ | what happened to lcuk :( |
| 17:06.39 | alterego | Dunno, think he's on holiday? |
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| 17:18.48 | user__ | is anybody having trouble with audo boost? |
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| 17:20.05 | alterego | wonders what tha is. |
| 17:20.08 | alterego | s/tha/that/ |
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| 17:21.21 | GAN900 | What's the flowchart symbol for an interrupt? |
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| 17:22.13 | GAN900 | Flowcharting home automation stuff, have a routine that turns on the lights in the room if there's motion detected. |
| 17:22.37 | alterego | Terminator usually. |
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| 17:23.27 | alterego | Like a starting point but intersecting a workflow. |
| 17:23.38 | alterego | As it's basically just another process flow. |
| 17:23.56 | GAN900 | But I need to set it up so turning on one of the switches will kill the countdown timer. |
| 17:24.06 | GAN900 | Ah, OK. |
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| 17:26.22 | GAN900 | refrains from attempted stabbings today. |
| 17:26.30 | GAN900 | What phase is the moon this week. . . . |
| 17:27.25 | SpeedEvil | Today is Setting Orange, the 27th day of Discord in the YOLD 3177 |
| 17:32.13 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, thanks for the link, going to have a good read at it now :) |
| 17:32.28 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 17:32.52 | MohammadAG | FAT32 can't preserve permissions right? |
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| 17:33.34 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
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| 17:33.48 | SpeedEvil | wonders about permissions hack over fat layers. |
| 17:33.54 | SpeedEvil | forgets the names. |
| 17:34.09 | SpeedEvil | To layer unix permissions over fat files. |
| 17:34.13 | SpeedEvil | Popular back inthe day. |
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| 17:34.43 | MohammadAG | ponders getting a 1TB HDD |
| 17:35.02 | hagbard | SpeedEvil: umsdos? |
| 17:35.09 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, Discord sounds about right. |
| 17:35.18 | SpeedEvil | hagbard: Sounds familiar. |
| 17:35.21 | hagbard | SpeedEvil: Hi, I just joined the channel, just got a hand-me-down n900 from my dad. |
| 17:35.21 | MohammadAG | if only Sony could get ext3 in the PS3's kernel |
| 17:35.26 | MohammadAG | then I wouldn't need vfat :/ |
| 17:35.30 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, like the Caviar black. |
| 17:35.45 | MohammadAG | GAN900, external actually |
| 17:35.49 | SpeedEvil | hagbard: Congratulations! Or commiserations. |
| 17:36.04 | hagbard | I like it so far. |
| 17:36.28 | MohammadAG | congrats hagbard |
| 17:37.04 | hagbard | just curious what the developer-intended pc-connectivity manager is meant to do? |
| 17:37.29 | MohammadAG | easy ssh over USB I think |
| 17:37.31 | MohammadAG | USB networking |
| 17:37.50 | hagbard | ahh, so I don't need to ifconfig usb0 on the phone manually. Excellent. |
| 17:38.04 | MohammadAG | I don't use it anyway |
| 17:38.14 | MohammadAG | just added ifup usb0 to pcsuite-enable.sh |
| 17:38.43 | MohammadAG | that way when I click PC Suite mode when I plug in the USB, it sets it up automatically |
| 17:41.26 | alterego | Noice |
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| 17:50.56 | MohammadAG | achipa, Qt 4.8 isn't out yet right? |
| 17:51.19 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:51.22 | alterego | No, it's not out yet. |
| 17:52.02 | MohammadAG | and 4.7.4? :P |
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| 18:04.08 | trumee | ~ping |
| 18:04.08 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 18:06.39 | RST38h | FBI Releases Document Confirming Roswell UFO |
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| 18:08.35 | RST38h | http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20Hottel%20Part%201%20of%201/view |
| 18:10.08 | MohammadAG | cd .. |
| 18:10.11 | MohammadAG | oops |
| 18:10.25 | ds3 | Stale NFS handle. |
| 18:10.59 | MohammadAG | kill -11 1 |
| 18:11.00 | chx | RST38h: read that |
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| 18:11.42 | chx | RST38h: "an investigator said" then it attributes it to an informant |
| 18:11.49 | chx | RST38h: this , at best, is hearsay |
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| 18:12.33 | chx | opsie sorry |
| 18:12.40 | chx | RST38h: if you answered i did not see |
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| 18:44.27 | RiD | Hi |
| 18:49.59 | pupnik | moo |
| 18:50.18 | RiD | huh? |
| 18:50.24 | pupnik | moo = hi |
| 18:50.49 | RiD | Oh... but that's the way cows talk eachother. Not humans |
| 18:50.58 | RiD | I guess. |
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| 18:52.47 | pupnik | the content is similar |
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| 18:59.40 | RiD | Making a theme for Maemo is harder than to S60 devices :\ |
| 19:01.14 | alterego | I heard it was easier :P |
| 19:01.29 | RiD | Not for me, :( |
| 19:01.34 | alterego | Maybe you're doing it wrong :D |
| 19:01.36 | RST38h | RiD: You mean, you are not a cow? |
| 19:01.50 | alterego | You could ask on the forum for some tips? :) |
| 19:02.11 | RiD | I'm a shy guy! |
| 19:04.22 | RiD | But at least we have theming, something Android can only have with custom ROMs. |
| 19:05.22 | RST38h | THE IMPOSTOR! STOMP HIM! CHEW ON HIM! =) |
| 19:05.47 | RiD | Ahem? |
| 19:05.52 | pupnik | :) |
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| 19:09.58 | pupnik | you using any utilities to make themeing easier RiD ? |
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| 19:10.38 | RiD | pupnik: Stskeeps hildon theme example with MADDE |
| 19:11.41 | RiD | pupnik: but i understand nothing of MADDE, so i'm reading "http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Theme_building/" |
| 19:12.03 | pupnik | kk |
| 19:14.17 | RiD | pupnik: it says to run try_it_out.sh via madde terminal, i already cd to the right place but what's the command to run it? (I'm a complete n00b when it comes to that kind of stuff) |
| 19:14.51 | Treibholz | What? I need a Windows to install the CSSU? |
| 19:15.12 | RiD | No, you can install it via the phone. |
| 19:15.45 | Treibholz | My Phone just told me I should use the Nokia PC Suite. |
| 19:16.06 | RiD | Err, then you did something wrong or the phone is trying to piss you off. |
| 19:16.18 | alterego | Probably both |
| 19:16.18 | pupnik | game is slowly becoming playable :D |
| 19:21.59 | Treibholz | threatens his n900, that he buys an Android-Phone tomorrow! |
| 19:22.24 | RiD | N900 will surely start working properly, Treibholz. |
| 19:22.43 | Treibholz | no, it still wants to be connected to Nokia PC Suite to install the CSSU |
| 19:26.49 | MohammadAG | then something's conflicting |
| 19:26.57 | MohammadAG | try apt-get upgrade |
| 19:27.17 | cehteh | yeah i easily sovled it with disabling some repos and remove some conflicting packages |
| 19:27.18 | MohammadAG | alterego, any ideas if QtM is backwards compatible? |
| 19:27.33 | MohammadAG | (if I push 1.1, would that break 1.0 apps?) |
| 19:29.03 | alterego | I guess try and see. |
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| 19:29.07 | alterego | It probably will though |
| 19:29.27 | alterego | I'd discuss it with the council, it would be goot to upgrade. |
| 19:29.40 | alterego | But we'd need extras builder to build everything that depends on it again. |
| 19:30.06 | MohammadAG | alterego, that'd force everyone to use the CSSU though |
| 19:30.20 | alterego | Yeah, good point. |
| 19:30.21 | MohammadAG | so it's not the same as Qt then... |
| 19:30.28 | alterego | Well, I don't know. |
| 19:30.30 | alterego | Give it a go. |
| 19:30.33 | MohammadAG | Qt 4.7.2 doesn't break 4.7.0 |
| 19:30.41 | MohammadAG | that's why it's going in the CSSU |
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| 19:30.57 | alterego | Yeah, but 1.0 to 1.1 4.6 to 4.7 |
| 19:31.08 | alterego | +is like |
| 19:31.32 | RiD | "dpkg-buildpackage: error: unable to determne source changed by ~/hildon-theme-exam.............." . Does anyone knows something about theming here? |
| 19:32.08 | MohammadAG | alterego, 4.6.2 apps worked with 4.7 |
| 19:32.42 | alterego | Well, like I said, try it :P |
| 19:35.28 | alterego | bbl |
| 19:36.22 | RiD | Aah, this is giving me a headache. I'll try it out later |
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| 19:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | I nominate "you need to use NokiaSuite to flash" for the worst most misleading error message of the last 3 years |
| 19:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | congrats, Nokia |
| 19:54.19 | Treibholz | The nominee surely has my vote! |
| 19:54.27 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: does nokiasuite even flash? |
| 19:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | nfc, how can I know, with not any redmond product on my IT equipment? |
| 19:55.40 | mikki-kun | maybe you might have had some virtual machine with it |
| 19:55.54 | mikki-kun | i can't tell either, that's why i asked |
| 19:57.33 | MohammadAG | it can |
| 19:58.01 | Treibholz | hmm, dist-upgrade wants to install upstart? |
| 19:58.07 | Treibholz | is that normal? |
| 19:58.29 | Venemo | ~MohammadAG |
| 19:58.29 | infobot | [mohammadag] your father |
| 19:58.33 | Venemo | :D |
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| 20:05.41 | jacekowski | Treibholz: well, upstart should be already installed |
| 20:07.37 | achipa | MohammadAG: it will be a long while before 4.8, 4.7.4 is closer but still not exactly tomorrow |
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| 20:10.36 | achipa | MohammadAG: qtm 1.1 shouldn't break 1.0 apps, but be careful with the packaging as there are extra modules, changes in the plugins, etc |
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| 20:17.12 | rd | Hello, can anybody recommend a linux video editing tool for videos taken from the N900? |
| 20:17.30 | Treibholz | jacekowski: http://paste.debian.net/113618/ |
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| 20:17.51 | Treibholz | rd: audacity? |
| 20:18.23 | jacekowski | Treibholz: it's just dependencies problem |
| 20:18.32 | jacekowski | Treibholz: that new version can't be installed because of that |
| 20:18.51 | jacekowski | try apt-get upgrade first |
| 20:19.00 | Treibholz | jacekowski: i already did |
| 20:19.19 | jacekowski | then you can do it hardcore way |
| 20:19.21 | rd | Treibholz: thanks, will try it. |
| 20:19.31 | jacekowski | which is forcing dpkg to remove conflicting packages |
| 20:19.39 | jacekowski | and then upgrade whatever you can |
| 20:19.47 | jacekowski | and then install upstart again |
| 20:19.58 | jacekowski | but if for whatevr reason your phone reboots while doing that |
| 20:20.06 | jacekowski | you will have to flash |
| 20:20.10 | MohammadAG | keep in mind if the battery runs out without upstart installed... |
| 20:20.17 | MohammadAG | nevermind :P |
| 20:21.07 | Treibholz | hmm, my busybox is 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso |
| 20:21.23 | Treibholz | 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso is >= 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8 |
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| 20:23.02 | rd | audacity does not even open the n900 videos for me |
| 20:24.15 | rd | none of the importers supports the file format (using debian and debian-multimedia.org) |
| 20:26.15 | chx | ~moo |
| 20:26.15 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 20:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | rd: I heard audacity is mainly for audio. Might have changed, but... |
| 20:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | not saying it's easy to playback those friggin videos on a regular desktop linux |
| 20:32.34 | lbt | rd: audacity is an audio editor ... avidemux is quite good for cutting sections |
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| 20:33.09 | lbt | http://www.openshotvideo.com/ is supposed to be good |
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| 20:36.28 | rd | hmm.....I tried avidemux before, but often in the result sound and video were out of sync |
| 20:36.30 | Treibholz | rd: sorry, I mixed avidemux and audacity. |
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| 20:37.00 | lbt | avidemux has good sound/video resync ability .... one reason I like it :) |
| 20:37.53 | rd | lbt, ok let me make a quick test again. |
| 20:38.02 | lbt | it has an adjuster |
| 20:38.50 | lbt | .... tick the 'shift' checkbox and select the audio offset |
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| 20:47.33 | rd | lbt, how do you save the created video? |
| 20:47.50 | rd | do you give the same extension (mp4)? |
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| 20:49.53 | rd | For me the sound on the saved video is too fast. |
| 20:50.02 | lbt | yes - you may need to do some research on codecs vs containers |
| 20:50.04 | rd | (when I play the saved video with player) |
| 20:54.31 | rd | Do you have an idea where I configure that? Did you change something in the setting to make it working for you? |
| 20:56.04 | lbt | no, it just works |
| 20:59.06 | lbt | just tested and my sound is fast too |
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| 21:00.37 | lbt | rd: go to audio/build VBR time map |
| 21:00.56 | lbt | should sort it out |
| 21:01.51 | rd | wow, cool, indeed that fixes the problem. |
| 21:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 21:02.28 | lbt | we've used it for years to trim adverts out of TV shows which we save to DVD |
| 21:03.12 | lbt | it's brilliant at that... but you can't shuffle sements and it's hard (start again!) to edit them once you've cut a bit |
| 21:03.32 | lbt | openshot is looking like a real player though ... |
| 21:03.52 | lbt | but avidemux handles lots of formats |
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| 21:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | << bored |
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| 21:18.30 | kwtm | can someone point me back to where in the wiki it says where to change CSS definitions so my SMS message display has a larger font size? Google seems to be throwing off all sorts of red herrings today. |
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| 21:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | tmo |
| 21:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | somewhere next to http://blog.dawid.lorenz.co/2010/05/disabling-smiley-icons-in-conversations_171.html maybe |
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| 21:56.07 | kwtm | I found the one I had seen before; there may have been others. If anyone's interested and/or logging this, I got it at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48872 |
| 21:56.20 | kwtm | thx anyway though. |
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| 22:03.09 | kwtm | Where are the system fonts stored? I want to change font settings on /usr/share/themes/default/gtk-2.0/gtkrc but I want to make sure the font sizes exist. |
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| 22:06.00 | newbie007 | is this a good place to ask aobut the hildon-desktop? |
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| 22:07.17 | xd13 | i want more ssu updates |
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| 22:14.34 | cehteh | newbie007: there is likely no other place at least |
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| 22:32.35 | mer_ge | hey. there is no "plugin.default_plugin_disabled" in firefox's about:config in order to enable flash |
| 22:32.50 | mer_ge | how can I not find it? |
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| 22:50.54 | Frampis | is anyone using Mumble on N900? |
| 22:51.24 | Frampis | I know it's not being developed or anything, but I was wondering if someone's had problems being able to speak and been able to fix it |
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| 22:51.47 | Frampis | I installed it from extras-devel so I think all the dependencies are also installed |
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| 23:02.31 | vldcnst | Can a supposedly fake battery act as an original nokia battery the first 3-5 chargers and then become like a 3 year old used one? |
| 23:04.44 | alterego | Probably |
| 23:04.52 | alterego | If it's a crap battery :) |
| 23:06.23 | vldcnst | But it looks exactly like an original one |
| 23:06.29 | vldcnst | And the first chargers.. really good! |
| 23:06.39 | vldcnst | argh, same typo twice. charges* |
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| 23:12.21 | ShadowJK | vldcnst, did you reboot at any point? |
| 23:12.37 | vldcnst | ShadowJK: it's not a battery management issue. |
| 23:13.18 | vldcnst | ShadowJK: been running powertop regularly |
| 23:14.44 | ShadowJK | If the copy battery used a 100k@20C thermistor instead of a plain resistor, if you reboot with a warm battery, the charge metering thinks the battery is much smaller than it is, and might tell you fairy tales |
| 23:15.32 | ShadowJK | on the other hand, if you replace the most expensive materials in an actual battery cell, you get one that wears out in 5-10 cycles... |
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| 23:15.41 | vldcnst | ShadowJK |
| 23:15.54 | vldcnst | ShadowJK: the battery was bought from an official nokia shop.. that's what makes it strange |
| 23:15.59 | ShadowJK | but ive only ever heard of that being done by ghost shifts making cylindrical cells |
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| 23:16.52 | vldcnst | ShadowJK: on normal usage, first cycles I was getting about 1 day. now it's about 2 hours, with powertop showing 250 wakeups in idle and everything except 2G gsm on |
| 23:17.29 | ShadowJK | hal-device bme | grep reporting.design |
| 23:18.04 | vldcnst | 1264 |
| 23:18.12 | ShadowJK | seems ok |
| 23:18.21 | DocScrutinizer | get ShadowJK 's bq27200.sh script |
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| 23:20.12 | ShadowJK | vldcnst, are you able to use terminal/shell? |
| 23:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | I bet the problem is unrelated to battery at large |
| 23:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | powertop doesn't tell about all the possible powerhogs |
| 23:21.15 | vldcnst | ShadowJK: yes |
| 23:21.24 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: using the older, original battery, usage is normal |
| 23:21.27 | ShadowJK | Yeah, something using 100% cpu doesn't show up in powertop |
| 23:21.38 | vldcnst | 1day or more. |
| 23:21.43 | vldcnst | so it's specific to this battery |
| 23:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | GSM pings also don't show up |
| 23:21.55 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.sh http://enivax.net/jk/n900/i2cget |
| 23:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | GPRS* |
| 23:22.15 | ShadowJK | I have those in /root/ as you need root to use it anyway |
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| 23:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's why you call it like ./bq27200.sh :-) |
| 23:23.40 | ShadowJK | chmod +x on them, './bq27200.sh' for a datadump, pastebin.com that for us. './bq27200.sh 5' to get a vmstst-like output one line every second (the fastest the hw updates) |
| 23:23.50 | ShadowJK | one lihe every 5 seconds* |
| 23:23.54 | ShadowJK | line* |
| 23:26.46 | vldcnst | so you'd like the latter? |
| 23:27.18 | ShadowJK | Well, both. First do the plain './bq27200.sh' dump |
| 23:28.58 | vldcnst | ShadowJK: http://pastebin.com/rmDMSg6F |
| 23:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | looks like that, for an example |
| 23:29.31 | vldcnst | (it went into idle for a few times) |
| 23:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_chargefloat_log |
| 23:30.37 | ShadowJK | idle consumption looks good |
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| 23:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | 10h til empty |
| 23:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | normal with screen on |
| 23:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | 18 23 19 19 also sane |
| 23:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | Cycle Count since Learning: 95 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 95 |
| 23:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 23:34.07 | ShadowJK | So if you had it fully charged since last empty, you're at about 584 mAh remaining, (though shutdown happens at about 50-100mA left, and low battery warning comes before that) |
| 23:34.23 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: does that mean it was charged 95 times? |
| 23:34.39 | ShadowJK | 584 remaining assuming 1200mAh battery |
| 23:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | that measn chip in phone didn't reset since 95 charges |
| 23:35.04 | Dhraakellian | can't seem to resolve repository.maemo.org in the sdk |
| 23:35.24 | Dhraakellian | which means no installation of more -dev packages |
| 23:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | usually it's supposed to reset on battery out >10s or so |
| 23:35.27 | vldcnst | ShadowJK: that seems about right |
| 23:35.27 | Dhraakellian | narf |
| 23:35.31 | ShadowJK | Dhraakellian, find every resolv.conf and fix then |
| 23:35.54 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: I just had it without a battery a few hours ago, for more than 2 minutes |
| 23:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | that's why o.O |
| 23:36.20 | Dhraakellian | ShadowJK: *blink* |
| 23:36.32 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer51: I don't follow |
| 23:36.46 | Dhraakellian | okay, I remembered to do that in the host system, but it totally didn't occur to me to do it within scratchbox |
| 23:36.49 | Dhraakellian | thanks |
| 23:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | I was wondering how that can happen |
| 23:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | I gather you properly shut it down prior to swapping bat, and you didn't accidentally touch the powerbutton while bat out |
| 23:38.06 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: proper shutdown, yes. |
| 23:39.22 | Dhraakellian | still didn't work |
| 23:39.29 | Dhraakellian | poking around a bit |
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| 23:40.01 | ShadowJK | vldcnst, so the chip is uncalibrated. the NAC column shows remaining mAh. Because it's uncalibrated, it sets NAC to LMD (1956) on full battery, and counts down from there. Anyway, if you charge it full, start the script with logging ('./bq27200.sh 5 | tee /home/user/bq.log'), and use the phone until it normally shuts down on low/"empty" battery, you should be able to figure out how many mAh your battery has by examining the logfile |
| 23:40.35 | ShadowJK | Dhraakellian, I did find -name resolv.conf . or something |
| 23:40.44 | ShadowJK | there's a shitload of them :( |
| 23:40.55 | ShadowJK | and they get crapped on regulary :( |
| 23:42.36 | vldcnst | ShadowJK: I did that (full cycle) a few days ago, when I got the battery. Would swapping batteries affect that calibration? |
| 23:42.50 | ShadowJK | No it never calibrates |
| 23:43.34 | Dhraakellian | ShadowJK: not seeing anything |
| 23:43.57 | ShadowJK | do the find as root outside scratchbox |
| 23:44.21 | SpeedEvil | In general, you need to stop BME and run till it a bit after it would normally shut off. |
| 23:44.25 | SpeedEvil | For it to calibrate. |
| 23:44.48 | ShadowJK | And you need to repeat that about 4 times |
| 23:44.49 | SpeedEvil | (There are other criteria - it has to be fully charged, and go to empty, and the temperature cannot be outside limits. |
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| 23:45.07 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Only if initial capacity is over an eigth out. |
| 23:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | find / -name '*resolv*' |
| 23:45.21 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, which it is :P |
| 23:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: could you change your script to print RS? |
| 23:46.58 | ShadowJK | it's 21 |
| 23:47.20 | ShadowJK | (Experimentally determined by ssirka's ampmeter) |
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| 23:47.32 | ShadowJK | jig and ampmeter |
| 23:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't ask about size :-) |
| 23:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | I know where from we got that value |
| 23:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | I've been the one talking him into doing that |
| 23:49.36 | ShadowJK | vldcnst, so easiest is to look at last line in log that isn't 6% or less, and do 1956-NAC, and then multiply by 1.07 to get approximate battery capacity :p |
| 23:50.20 | ShadowJK | results will vary by 100mA or so depending on system load at point when bme decides to shutdown |
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| 23:52.32 | vldcnst | ShadowJK&Doc: thanks. will do some further testing |
| 23:52.39 | vldcnst | Might even ask for a replacement battery |
| 23:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 23:53.08 | ShadowJK | btw, 3800ish mV and approx 50% femaining look fine too |
| 23:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | the battery seems to be ok |
| 23:54.06 | ShadowJK | if this was guess-the-battery I'd say you were using the "good" battery |
| 23:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 23:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | that's where I came from when looking at the cycle-count and found it at 98 |
| 23:55.24 | ShadowJK | I've only ever seen mine reset when it was sans battery for 2 month round-trip to nokia care ;p |
| 23:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 23:55.44 | vldcnst | It was charged 3 hours ago to full |
| 23:55.59 | vldcnst | And it's to 35%~ now, without any calls |
| 23:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | off for checking sth regarding bupbat in schematics |
| 23:56.07 | vldcnst | Only activated wifi to download the sh scripts |
| 23:56.34 | SpeedEvil | I'vre only seen mine reset when I stop BME, and run it out |
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| 23:57.54 | ShadowJK | mine doesn't reset even on that |
| 23:58.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, 150uF |
| 23:58.28 | ShadowJK | btw: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568&highlight=battery+mod+test (battery benchmarks, some mods, and a silly voltage-based abattery meter) |
| 23:59.51 | GAN900 | Twitter needs threading. |
| 23:59.56 | GAN900 | misses Jaiku. |