| 00:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, timing of the protocol at start of flashing is kinda tricky. Sometimes fails. As long as you flash COMBINED last you can experiment, plug first while holding 'u' and make sure the USB icon is on NOKIA screen, then start flasher |
| 00:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | they are both drivers that deal with mass storage and nokiasuite |
| 00:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | or similar crap, actually phonet |
| 00:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | phonet is another driver that mustn't be loaded |
| 00:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | all those may get loaded as soon as you accidentally boot up the N900 while connected |
| 00:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r is safe |
| 00:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | s/lokia/nokia/ |
| 00:03.20 | kwtm | Thanks for taking the time to help me with this. |
| 00:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 00:04.43 | kwtm | can you check http://pastie.org/1773974 ? |
| 00:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 00:06.31 | kwtm | aaarrrghhh... so I've removed module cdc_phonet, and then when I reflash and it hangs at the second "waiting for USB" message, I see that cdc_phonet has been reloaded. How do I tell it not to reload that module? |
| 00:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | just try with an unmodified image, to make sure |
| 00:06.57 | kwtm | Good grief, so it looks like Ubuntu has reloaded itself to make it unable to flash my N900... |
| 00:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | looks like N900 booted into kernel or sth, you didn't use -R parameter, did you? |
| 00:08.03 | nox- | do you have a dir /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 00:08.18 | kwtm | "-R" parameter with what? You mean the flasher program? |
| 00:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:08.28 | nox- | if yes you could try putting a blacklist file in there... |
| 00:09.04 | kwtm | Ohhh... I did. Is that a reboot flag? Damn, I think I switched the order of the image files and also swapped the -R parameter into the first image without moving it to the second image. Ok. |
| 00:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:09.12 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, if ubuntu loaded cdc_phonet it probably has attached to the device? |
| 00:09.17 | kwtm | Can I leave out the -R parameter altogether? And reboot manually? |
| 00:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's absolutely mandatory |
| 00:09.41 | nox- | ah |
| 00:10.13 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, what I meant was: to be safe, I don't use -R for either the firmware or eMMC reflash, and then just remove/reinsert battery to reboot? |
| 00:10.24 | kwtm | Just to be safe, in case in the future I swap the order of those lines again. |
| 00:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | oooh you're using a script? |
| 00:11.48 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Right, I'm using a script so I can make quick changes and also remember a year from now what I did. Is that a problem? |
| 00:12.09 | kwtm | also, it is still hanging wiht the second "waiting for USB". It seems like cdc_phonet is a more likely culprit now? |
| 00:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | now that makes more sense then. I got extremely puzzled why it says "no device found" a second time |
| 00:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: you need to boot up device for each time you're flashing |
| 00:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-09 01:46:13] <DocScrutinizer> remove and insert bat, flash VANILLA, remove and insert bat, flash COMBINED |
| 00:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | hold 'u' EACH TIME |
| 00:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | hard to do when running from a script |
| 00:14.13 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Right, I know that. I've got a wait-for-user thing in between. See http://pastie.org/1773989 Right now the errors are occurring for the eMMC *only* |
| 00:14.36 | kwtm | In fact, tell you what, I'm going to comment out the firmware reflash entirely and only reflash eMMC. |
| 00:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | the script method only works when flashing COMBINED first, as on flashing VANILLA NOLO hangs when finished |
| 00:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | but then you MUST omit -R on first flasher cmdline - i.e. the COMBINED flashing in that case |
| 00:17.58 | kwtm | I did omit "-R" on both flasher command lines now --isn't that what http://pastie.org/1773989 shows? |
| 00:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | as with this sequence the device MUST NOT boot after flashing COMBINED before flashing VANILLA |
| 00:19.30 | kwtm | Anyway, I commented out the Combined flashing entirely. So now it's flashing only Vanilla. And it's giving the same error message as in http://pastie.org/1773974 |
| 00:19.45 | kwtm | (In case you haven't noticed, those are two different pasties.) |
| 00:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | you tried with an unpatched image file? |
| 00:20.34 | kwtm | Yes, I tried with an unpatched image file. |
| 00:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | then that's probably caused by your PC or by cable |
| 00:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | I couldn't think of anything else, except of course weak battery |
| 00:22.06 | nox- | or ubuntu as i said |
| 00:22.12 | kwtm | is thinking back to 2.5 hours ago: [14:48] <kwtm> alterego: I don't want to mess this up. ... [14:49] <alterego> Well doesn't matter if you do. You can always do it again :P |
| 00:22.15 | nox- | loading that phonet module |
| 00:23.44 | kwtm | It's not a cable. It flashed the firmware fine. Also cables don't work for the first connection, and then after 4 lines of output stop working. The battery was charged to full (it refused to charge further since the battery was already full) and it lasts at least 8 hours if it's not using wifi. |
| 00:23.58 | kwtm | Will check that phonet module ... nox-, you were saying something about a module.d directory? |
| 00:24.30 | nox- | yeah |
| 00:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: flashing eats lots of battery. NOLO has no powwr management |
| 00:25.04 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: So ... then what? Can I recharge the battery while in the N900 is improperly reflashed? |
| 00:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 00:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | but as long as it starts with usb icon on NOKIA screen, the battery should be ok |
| 00:26.08 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: It does start with USB icon on (dark) Nokia screen. |
| 00:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | then it's probably your PC |
| 00:26.34 | kwtm | nox-: I see now that you said /etc/modprobe.d, but within that directory, "grep phonet *" reveals nothing. |
| 00:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | blacklist |
| 00:27.21 | nox- | yeah thats fine, try putting a file in there with `blacklist cdc_phonet' |
| 00:27.21 | kwtm | not sure how to blacklist it. Under what filename should I file this blacklist? |
| 00:27.37 | nox- | something like /etc/modprobe.d/custom-backlist |
| 00:27.57 | nox- | then rmmod it and try again |
| 00:28.34 | pupnik | hey nox, my client is starting to come together http://i.imgur.com/5cLXT.jpg |
| 00:28.53 | pupnik | i the layout of elements is starting to settle-in to 'optimal' |
| 00:29.09 | nox- | which game is that? (/me not much of a gamer :) |
| 00:29.46 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Looking good. |
| 00:30.03 | pupnik | thanks |
| 00:30.12 | pupnik | says so on the pic :) |
| 00:30.42 | SpeedEvil | A bit busy. But ... |
| 00:31.02 | pupnik | well it's kind of stats-driven |
| 00:31.06 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 00:31.09 | pupnik | i've hidden away a lot already |
| 00:31.29 | SpeedEvil | The top bar is what - inventory? |
| 00:31.36 | pupnik | quickslots |
| 00:31.37 | kwtm | nox-: There is a cdc_phonet and a phonet. Do I need to blacklist both? |
| 00:31.40 | pupnik | bound to wertyuio |
| 00:31.52 | pupnik | (no F1-F8 available) |
| 00:32.06 | nox- | kwtm, dunno, but i guess wouldnt hurt |
| 00:33.01 | kwtm | nox-: THere is also a cdc_acm. That's okay? |
| 00:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: then look at lsmod, and rmmod / modprobe -r all *phonet* |
| 00:33.25 | nox- | kwtm, i doubt n900 would use that |
| 00:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | rmmod it |
| 00:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | won't hurt either |
| 00:33.54 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Ok, now "lsmod | grep phonet" gives no output. Think it's all gone |
| 00:33.56 | nox- | true |
| 00:36.02 | kwtm | Ok, so the flasher script is still giving the same response, hanging after the second "waiting for USB". There is no output from "lsmod | grep phonet" . |
| 00:36.15 | nox- | :( |
| 00:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | basically you can rmmod all you suspect and like to do. rmmod won't remove any modules that are in use |
| 00:36.34 | nox- | anything else like cdc? |
| 00:36.50 | nox- | yes |
| 00:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | and I'd really ask you to enter this one cmdline directly to a root xterm |
| 00:37.15 | kwtm | Here's a clue: when I reinsert the batt, then slide out the keyboard, then hold down u, then insert the USB cable, then the dark nokia screen *with* the USB symbol comes up ... but then the USB symbol disappears. Is that a clue? And the charger LED is glowing steady orange (not flashing orange like when charging) |
| 00:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | not via script |
| 00:37.42 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: But if rmmod didn't work if the module is in use, wouldn't lsmod show it? |
| 00:38.00 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Okay, I will enter that command via root to command line, instead of in a script. |
| 00:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: I just meant it's safe to rmmod * |
| 00:38.40 | kwtm | Actually, let me try one more thing before I panic. |
| 00:39.40 | kwtm | Okay, so there's one thing that works, and has consistently worked: |
| 00:39.43 | kwtm | flashing the firmware. |
| 00:40.16 | kwtm | So I commented out the "flashing eMMC" line in the script, and uncommented in the "flashing firmware". So it's happily flashing the firmware now. (right now it's on the erasing CMT step) |
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| 00:40.27 | kwtm | So I think that pretty much rules out any cable/battery/phonet thing, right? |
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| 00:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | please rmmod all suspicious cdc_* and *phonet*, then plug in the device while holding 'u' (without flasher started!) and see if the USB icon stays there for at least 30s. Then start flasher cmd for COMBINED, without -R |
| 00:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | right |
| 00:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | but still I'm very unhappy about that script, as it adds complexity and points of failure |
| 00:43.17 | kwtm | I'm going to try something first --not disrespecting your advice, just trying this. I've flashed the firmware. Now I'm going to let it boot up and see what it does. Whatever firmware is left in there... |
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| 00:43.58 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Are you serious? For me the script makes things a lot simpler and easier to test, I have a record of what happened, etc. It's basically exactly what I would type on the commandline, except I don't have to misspell filenames/options, etc. |
| 00:44.32 | kwtm | I am actually very nervous about typing anything on the command line. WIth a script I can proof read it first. |
| 00:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and your pastebins don't show any cmdline |
| 00:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | please at least add set -v to top of your script |
| 00:45.41 | nox- | you mean -x ? |
| 00:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | or that |
| 00:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm tired |
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| 00:46.31 | kwtm | Ok, well, it's booted up. I guess the firmware works. Now I have a blank N900. I think for now I'll just reload everything. |
| 00:46.54 | kwtm | The vfat ~/MyDocs is still 27G and /home is still 2GB. I think I'll leave it and go repartition some other time. |
| 00:47.06 | kwtm | How do I tell whether it's PR 1.2 or PR 1.3? |
| 00:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | I think you urgently should check what mount and df -h are telling you |
| 00:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 00:47.27 | kwtm | mount and df -h are saying okay things. |
| 00:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | settings, about product |
| 00:48.03 | kwtm | But non-ideal. It's still the old partitioning. I'm going to turn it in for a while. I need to check if I got voicemail (I have a potential new employer) and I couldn't without cell phone. |
| 00:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | CHARGE!! |
| 00:48.38 | kwtm | Way ahead of you. Was charging before I typed "mount " "df -h". |
| 00:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 00:48.48 | kwtm | Maemo 5 version 20.2010.36 --is that PR 1.3? |
| 00:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:49.15 | kwtm | Man, I almost forgot where to find settings, with my customizations all gone. |
| 00:49.39 | kwtm | Thank you DocScrutinizer. And my lesson is: never trust someone who says, "It's easy! Just read the wiki! None of us have had problems!" |
| 00:50.08 | nox- | wont it copy stuff to opt for a few mins now after a fresh flash? |
| 00:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | my suspicion is the edit of VANILLA didn't pan out |
| 00:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:50.42 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: No, I tried flashing the unmodified firmware and it didn't work, remember? |
| 00:50.44 | nox- | so may want to wait for that to finish first |
| 00:50.58 | kwtm | I mean unmodified eMMC. |
| 00:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I was unhappy with the script |
| 00:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | too easy to forget about correct filename, and try over and over with the wrong cmdline |
| 00:52.00 | kwtm | Well, the script doesn't edit Vanilla. I manually edited vanilla. The script just sets $EMMC_IMAGE_FILENAME (I didn't show that part of the script) |
| 00:52.12 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Oh, it shows the filename before it flashes. Do you want the full script? |
| 00:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 00:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 00:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | happy it recovered so far |
| 00:52.38 | kwtm | It checks the filename, makes sure it exists, displays it to the user, waits for the user to press Enter, then flashes one, then waits for Enter, then flashes another. |
| 00:52.52 | kwtm | And comments in my script show all the different filenames I've tried. So I can track which is which. |
| 00:53.03 | kwtm | Yeah, I'm too happy about it just working to be frustrated. |
| 00:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: flashing getting right first time sometimes is a bit frustrating. You probably should've tried without customizations first, to get familiar with the pitfalls |
| 00:54.54 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I did. I've flashed before, last year. That's why I have the script. And it went smoothly once I knew what I was doing. |
| 00:55.14 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Heck, I ended up flashing twice a day to track down that stupid forever-dots bug that no one believed me about. |
| 00:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | also quite possible the 'old' VANILLA simply doesn't work on the PR1.3 |
| 00:56.07 | kwtm | ?? What? I did not find a new VANILLA for the new PR 1.3 on the web site. |
| 00:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | after all the new one looks massively different |
| 00:56.36 | kwtm | I was surprised that they would be using the old Vanilla, too, but when I tried to download "the lastest Vanilla", I found that I already had a file with the same exact filename. |
| 00:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, you edited the one with the plain text, no? |
| 00:56.51 | kwtm | Since the version number is part of the filename, it looks like it's the same file (unless they changed the file but kept the filename) |
| 00:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | I gather your 'unpatched' version of VANILLA also been the old one |
| 00:58.11 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: What do you mean? I had RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin from before already (which is current, according to the web site); then I edited it and saved it as Vanilla_30G.bin and another as Vanilla_28G.bin (not the real filename but you get the idea). So I was unable to flash the old RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 00:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin is the 'old' one |
| 00:58.50 | kwtm | Yes, the "unpatched" was the old file. In fact, to make sure I didn't edit it by mistake, I did chmod -w on it. |
| 00:59.05 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Is there a newer version of Vanilla? What is it called? I didn't see it on the web site. |
| 00:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 01:00.01 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: That's the combined firmware. Weren't we talking about the Vanilla eMMC? |
| 01:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | ooops |
| 01:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I'm definitely too tired |
| 01:01.42 | pupnik | mhm same |
| 01:01.43 | kwtm | Well, you should definitely get some sleep. Thanks for your help anyway. But as far as I can tell, I did everything by the book and we have an undiagnosed problem with flashing the firmware (which I have already flashed before, a year ago) which is not explained by my computer, cable, battery, etc. |
| 01:02.03 | kwtm | Probably just another case of the "oh yeah, kwtm found a new bug --sorry about that, we never noticed that one before". >sigh< |
| 01:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | somewhat, yes |
| 01:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I guess the relatively small number of samples allows for a mere coincidence |
| 01:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | try again flashing plain VANILLA tomorrow. I guess it will work then |
| 01:03.41 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 01:03.42 | kwtm | I *am* flashing with plain Vanilla ... and it *is* tomorrow! (at least for you) |
| 01:03.56 | kwtm | anyway... I'm going to try flashing with Windows. |
| 01:04.31 | kwtm | actually, I'll try PR 1.2 first. |
| 01:04.51 | kwtm | I've spent too much time on this not to try everything else and make this time a big waste. |
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| 01:05.22 | nox- | wait for the charge to finish first i guess... |
| 01:06.07 | Sazpaimon | how do I get maemo to automount a non vfat sd card |
| 01:06.35 | Sazpaimon | i have my sd card format hfsplus, and i can manually mount it fine, but it doesnt mount when inserting |
| 01:09.49 | nox- | bbl |
| 01:09.57 | cehteh | Sazpaimon: the setup is a bit fucked up you have to go over all the scripts and stuff |
| 01:10.19 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
| 01:10.25 | cehteh | just commented everything out and mounting it from a handwritten fstab |
| 01:10.48 | cehteh | automatically on boot, but not on remove/insert |
| 01:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | desktop execution widget FTW |
| 01:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | or QueenBeecon |
| 01:11.40 | Sazpaimon | well, its not a big deal |
| 01:11.49 | Sazpaimon | i dont expect it to remain hfsplus for much loger |
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| 01:11.55 | Sazpaimon | *longer |
| 01:12.04 | Sazpaimon | I needed to make a liveusb install of OSx |
| 01:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | I'm amazed we got a driver for hfsplus |
| 01:12.19 | Sazpaimon | we didn't |
| 01:12.24 | Sazpaimon | i backported hfsutils from sid |
| 01:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 01:12.43 | Sazpaimon | which was a simple process actually |
| 01:12.56 | Sazpaimon | i think hfsutils is just a usermode library |
| 01:13.05 | kwtm | Actually, since I know that I can repartition as root, it's not worthwhile trying the reflash |
| 01:13.09 | nox- | oh so its via fuse? |
| 01:13.13 | cehteh | is hfs+ supported on sdcards in the iphone .. oh stop .. iphone has no card slot :P |
| 01:13.30 | Sazpaimon | it isn't via fuse, actually |
| 01:13.38 | Sazpaimon | i dont know how it works without a driver |
| 01:13.42 | cehteh | the titan kernel may even have hfs+ |
| 01:13.57 | cehteh | what kernel do you use? stock? |
| 01:14.31 | Sazpaimon | titan |
| 01:14.44 | cehteh | likely supports hfs+ |
| 01:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: to repartition you have to umount /home (->/opt) |
| 01:15.35 | Sazpaimon | cehteh, i dont think so, hfs kernel support wasnt a dependency for the package |
| 01:16.10 | Sazpaimon | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/hfsutils the debian package isnt very descriptive |
| 01:16.10 | cehteh | Sazpaimon: it isnt .. the userland tools work on the raw device and dont need kernel support |
| 01:16.22 | cehteh | you need kernel support when you want to mount the device, thats all |
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| 01:16.47 | Sazpaimon | how does the titan kernel have features, are they compiled in or modules |
| 01:16.47 | cehteh | if you only use the phone as expensive card-reader which exports the raw device too, then kernel support isnt needed eitehr |
| 01:16.53 | Sazpaimon | i can just lsmod it |
| 01:16.57 | cehteh | prolly modules |
| 01:17.09 | cehteh | you can mount it .. so your kernel supports it |
| 01:17.25 | nox- | anyway im off |
| 01:17.33 | Sazpaimon | yeah i guess i cant argue that |
| 01:17.36 | cehteh | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 01:18.46 | Sazpaimon | cehteh, hfsplus isnt listed |
| 01:19.09 | cehteh | but you mounted it on the device? |
| 01:19.22 | Sazpaimon | unles I was mistaken |
| 01:19.33 | cehteh | ah while its mounted .. it only lists loaded filesystems |
| 01:20.24 | cehteh | /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power46/hfsplus.ko |
| 01:20.27 | cehteh | there it is |
| 01:21.03 | Sazpaimon | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type hfsplus (0) |
| 01:21.14 | cehteh | :) |
| 01:21.23 | Sazpaimon | yeah there it is |
| 01:21.29 | Sazpaimon | it made its way to filesystems |
| 01:21.33 | Sazpaimon | so what does hfsutils even do |
| 01:21.49 | cehteh | creating/checking a hfs filesystem? |
| 01:22.08 | Sazpaimon | it has an hvol, hmount, hcopy, etc files |
| 01:22.16 | cehteh | some *fs-utils come with mount helpers, but i guess thats not the case for hfs+ |
| 01:22.31 | cehteh | i dont know the hfs+ userland |
| 01:22.39 | Sazpaimon | Usage: hmount source-path [partition-no] |
| 01:22.41 | Sazpaimon | ineresting |
| 01:22.41 | cehteh | xfs is strange enough :P |
| 01:22.58 | cehteh | (i dont use that either :P) |
| 01:23.29 | Sazpaimon | i think the mount helpers is the hfsprogs package |
| 01:24.43 | Sazpaimon | that's some good forward thinking, including an hfsplus module |
| 01:24.48 | Sazpaimon | nobody even requested that |
| 01:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | but then missing out the ISO9660 or some other module, needed for plugging in a DVD drive to h-e-n :-/ |
| 01:28.01 | SpeedEvil | you can format DVDs as ext3 |
| 01:28.22 | cehteh | UDF |
| 01:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | yoh, but not playback DrHouse |
| 01:28.28 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Well, I plan to do what SpeedEvil did and: umount ~/MyDocs, delete and create new smaller partition also vfat and remount ~/MyDocs, then use leftover space to have big ext3 partition, probably mounting it under /mount/bigext3 or some such directory. Then move everything in opt over to a subdir inside it (say /mount/bigext3/opt) and symlink opt to that. |
| 01:28.47 | cehteh | /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power46/isofs.ko |
| 01:28.53 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: The problem is the leftover space will not automount. |
| 01:29.01 | cehteh | /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power46/udf.ko |
| 01:29.04 | SpeedEvil | I don't care about this, as it's media stuff I don't want indecxtd. |
| 01:29.04 | cehteh | all there .. |
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| 01:29.20 | Sazpaimon | hm, all hfsprogs gives is mkfs.hfsplus and fsck.hfsplus |
| 01:29.21 | kwtm | Okay, I need help: this is not doing anything: dpkg --set-selections < (file I previously stored output of dpkg --get-selections) Why isn't it reinstalling? (Yes, I am root.) |
| 01:29.36 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: What do you mean? I can't put it in fstab? |
| 01:29.46 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: no |
| 01:29.57 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: fstab is autogenerated |
| 01:30.06 | cehteh | you can disable that :P |
| 01:30.15 | SpeedEvil | Some awk script in /etc/I.forget/ |
| 01:30.37 | cehteh | a few # at the right places |
| 01:30.41 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 01:30.52 | SpeedEvil | I prefer to screw with system scripts as little as possible. |
| 01:30.55 | SpeedEvil | For ovious reasons. |
| 01:31.06 | cehteh | well .. if the are that broken |
| 01:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=971219#post971219 |
| 01:32.51 | kwtm | N900 doesn't charge when turned off, right? (Like, "off" off, not "i turned off the screen" off) |
| 01:32.53 | cehteh | ah :) |
| 01:33.16 | cehteh | kwtm: it boots into an act-dead mode when you plug in power |
| 01:33.27 | kwtm | Oh good. Thx, cehteh |
| 01:34.07 | Sazpaimon | doesnt that apply for every nokia phone, if not every phone |
| 01:34.30 | cehteh | sidenote .. usb hubs dont provide power when the computer they are attached too is turned off .. even when the hub is powered by a AC-adapter |
| 01:34.36 | cehteh | at least thats true for mine |
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| 01:34.45 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: That varies |
| 01:35.02 | Sazpaimon | cehteh, some machines still supply some power to the usb ports |
| 01:35.06 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: Cheaper powered hubs don't isolate the outputs. |
| 01:35.14 | cehteh | maybe .. but its pita, i once turned the computer off and my n900 drained to zero :P |
| 01:35.16 | SpeedEvil | Also - sometimes USB standby is enabled. |
| 01:35.26 | Sazpaimon | use an xbox 360 |
| 01:35.29 | SpeedEvil | This helps keyboard-wake fore xample work |
| 01:35.34 | Sazpaimon | that keeps power to the usb ports when turned off |
| 01:36.00 | cehteh | mhm maybe i shall enable keyboard/usb wakeup in the bios. .. that miht help |
| 01:36.09 | SpeedEvil | See if you can turn on 'powerr insuspend or similar in BIOS or OS |
| 01:36.13 | kwtm | I was trying to figure out what the first thing I would install is on a N900 that's been wiped clean ... turns out it's the keyboard remap cuz I can't stand having to bring up that symbols screen every time I want to type {} [] | ~ or ^ :P |
| 01:36.14 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:36.29 | cehteh | well usually this computer runs 24/7 |
| 01:36.29 | SpeedEvil | For me it's fleshlight. |
| 01:36.32 | SpeedEvil | flashlight |
| 01:36.36 | cehteh | haha |
| 01:36.42 | SpeedEvil | Or opensshd |
| 01:36.57 | SpeedEvil | Or fbreader |
| 01:37.50 | cehteh | apropos status report .. how far is megoo on the n900, useable yet? |
| 01:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: why don't you restore? |
| 01:38.44 | BCMM | kwtm: i keep meaning to look in to that, for LaTeX - how does that work? which symbols does it get rid of? |
| 01:39.02 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: Someone came to visit, using meego for something. It looked unusable. |
| 01:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, two days ago I seen a post on #meego: "embarrassing! I have to boot to maemo, as I need a working device" |
| 01:39.26 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I didn't backup using the built-in backup utility. I did dpkg --get-selections > filename. Everything is there when I list the file. It's just that dpkg --set-selections doens't seem to do what I thought it would do. |
| 01:39.33 | cehteh | ok |
| 01:39.47 | SpeedEvil | (I don't know if they werre using the most recent version though) |
| 01:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: dpkg won't restore your settings etc |
| 01:40.16 | kwtm | BCMM: What do you mean? If you're referring to the keyboard, I've put {}[]<>~^|% without getting rid of any other keys. |
| 01:40.37 | BCMM | kwtm: how's that work? |
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| 01:41.00 | BCMM | three-button combos? |
| 01:41.09 | kwtm | BCMM: Also I got rid of that stupid ? for Shift-Fn ., so I can actually do Fn-lock and type in numbers with decimal points. Also it's ridiculous that the space bar doesn't give a space when I press Fn so I changed that. |
| 01:41.48 | kwtm | BCMM: Yeah, 3-button combos are great, as long as you avoid certain keys that actually end up typing two keys. Like Shift-Fn-J will type that character plus whatever's define for Shift-Fn-K. Something to do with the way the hardware is. |
| 01:41.59 | kwtm | It works if you do Shift(release)- Fn (release) - J |
| 01:42.34 | kwtm | BCMM: It works great, and I can't work without it. I mean, even if you don't do bash programming, even typing a percent sign in everyday email usage is a chore without keyboard remapping. |
| 01:43.02 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Oh once I've got all the programs restored, I can do an rsync from my home server, which has ~/ backed up. |
| 01:43.21 | SpeedEvil | Especially due to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 |
| 01:43.23 | povbot` | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. |
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| 01:48.39 | kwtm | Thank $DEITY the N900 has a few basic utilities like sed already onboard. 3 cheers for busybox! |
| 01:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 01:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 01:49.18 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 01:51.23 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Yes yes, I know about busybox and scripting. I mean that I had sed to edit my selections list so I can apt-get install the whole list of files without having to do it manually, so that it will install packages like bash. |
| 01:51.58 | kwtm | What I mean is, it's a good thing that, without installing bash, there is busybox. We all have our freedom to be grateful to an extent of our choice, and mine is a great extent. |
| 01:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | I meant I'd prefer they had opted for bash + tools and no busybox at all |
| 01:55.42 | kwtm | Well, busybox is great for systems with limited memory ... and I'm not sure I want bash executing my scripts on the N900. |
| 01:55.52 | kwtm | Especially bootup scripts. They're slower on bash. |
| 01:56.14 | kwtm | So now we have the best of both worlds! :) |
| 01:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: how much slower? |
| 01:59.19 | SpeedEvil | can't find his bechmarks. |
| 01:59.24 | SpeedEvil | It was a fair bit slower. |
| 01:59.31 | SpeedEvil | i think I worked out likely 1-2s boot |
| 01:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 02:18.06 | kwtm | Sorry, was watching the dpkg script scroll by. I don't know how much slower |
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| 05:12.47 | djszapi | from which library does the media player try to grab the video files ? |
| 05:14.50 | djszapi | it is a bit strange I cannot open files frm arbitrary locations... |
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| 07:08.52 | Termana | good morning |
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| 07:16.46 | djszapi | any idea for mplayer and media player issues ? |
| 07:17.28 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure what you mean by what library |
| 07:17.55 | djszapi | * folder |
| 07:18.14 | djszapi | so where should I put my ogv file to in order to appear in the main screen of the media player when I launch it ? |
| 07:18.27 | thomastp | jeremiah_: ping |
| 07:18.46 | MohammadAG | tracker |
| 07:19.26 | djszapi | tracker ? |
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| 07:21.20 | djszapi | MohammadAG: care too ellaborate ? |
| 07:21.22 | djszapi | * to |
| 07:21.45 | MohammadAG | what mime type does the ogv file have? |
| 07:22.13 | djszapi | no idea |
| 07:22.17 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 07:22.27 | djszapi | "..." ? |
| 07:23.01 | MohammadAG | run "file -i somefile.ogv" in terminal |
| 07:23.20 | MohammadAG | somefile should obviously be a valid ogv file |
| 07:23.23 | djszapi | Communication_as_a_Service_what_Telepathy_is_bringing_to_the_KDE_Software_Compilation-George_Goldberg.ogv: application/ogg; charset=binary |
| 07:23.34 | djszapi | well, it can played on my desktop PC. |
| 07:23.37 | djszapi | * be |
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| 07:24.26 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 07:24.33 | MohammadAG | check if it's the same mime type on the N900 |
| 07:24.38 | MohammadAG | anyway |
| 07:24.43 | MohammadAG | tracker-register-mimetype -c Videos -a application/ogg |
| 07:24.51 | djszapi | it worked previously. |
| 07:24.56 | MohammadAG | killall mafw-dbus-wrapper |
| 07:27.31 | djszapi | where does the mediaplayer get the video files from ? |
| 07:27.39 | djszapi | which folder does it analyze ? |
| 07:28.36 | djszapi | on my N900: file -i Communication_as_a_Service_what_Telepathy_is_bringing_to_the_KDE_Software_Compilation-George_Goldberg.ogv |
| 07:28.39 | djszapi | -sh: file: not found |
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| 07:48.44 | djszapi | How can I open an ogv file with the mediaplayer ? |
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| 08:53.55 | nszeek | Anyone can tell me what does the following messages on my nokia n900 (dmesg) means ? [ 322.869689] adp1653 2-0030: failed writing fault register |
| 08:53.58 | nszeek | [ 322.870361] video4linux video0: can't power up slaves |
| 08:55.56 | SpeedEvil | The adp1653 is the focus control I think. |
| 08:56.09 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 08:56.14 | SpeedEvil | sorry - it's the flash controller |
| 08:56.25 | nszeek | SpeedEvil: Any idea if this is a hardware issue or a software issue ? |
| 08:56.44 | SpeedEvil | At first glance, a hardware issue. |
| 08:57.16 | nszeek | SpeedEvil: Thanks. |
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| 09:02.11 | SpeedEvil | Though the datasheet suggests that the fault register is read-only. |
| 09:02.18 | SpeedEvil | Maybe it's sloppy wording. |
| 09:03.42 | nszeek | SpeedEvil: Been trying to get my camera to work for quite some time now ... even re-flashing the device doesn't work. |
| 09:04.02 | nszeek | I am about to take it to some sort of tech support |
| 09:04.26 | SpeedEvil | My first guess would be that it's an actual hardware failure. |
| 09:05.02 | SpeedEvil | I'm currently finding the source - as that message is odd. |
| 09:05.54 | nszeek | Could be I guess. However I bought the phone outside my country so Nokia doesn't provide "support" for it in my country. I will have to take it to an outside consultant or something which can't be good (the guy I spoke to didn't even know how to reflash the device). |
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| 09:08.47 | SpeedEvil | Ok - the driver wording is bad - but it means the same - it can't clear a fault condition from the flash driver for some reason. |
| 09:09.24 | nszeek | As in hardware fault condition ? |
| 09:10.28 | SpeedEvil | yrs |
| 09:10.29 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 09:10.47 | SpeedEvil | Actually - on closer reading - it's probably not getting any response from the flash driver at all. |
| 09:11.16 | SpeedEvil | It's failing to write the status reset register. |
| 09:11.22 | SpeedEvil | And then erroring out. |
| 09:11.39 | nszeek | Well, thanks. Guess I will take it to the tech support tomorrow then and hope the guy doesn't break it even further |
| 09:16.25 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could compile a kernel to ignore the flash - that assumes there are not further hardware problems though. I would guess at this point you need the flash driver chip replaced. After checking that it's getting power. |
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| 09:17.54 | nszeek | I found some threads on the maemo forums saying I should try new kernels ... didn't help. Installing some pre-compiled fcam-drivers didn't help either ... |
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| 09:28.22 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 09:28.33 | lardman | morning chaps |
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| 09:33.05 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps. |
| 09:33.14 | SpeedEvil | I remain to be convinced. |
| 09:33.42 | SpeedEvil | I mean - sure - the clock says 10:30, the sun is shining in, but for it to be truly morning, I'd need to have gotten out of bed. |
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| 09:36.02 | lardman | do you not find the top heaviness of the N900 makes typing on your back dangerous - broken nose/teeth/etc could result ;) |
| 09:36.29 | nszeek | lol, what ? |
| 09:36.50 | SpeedEvil | I'm lying down, using a keyboard on my lap (under the covers). |
| 09:36.57 | SpeedEvil | (and not the n900) |
| 09:36.58 | maybeWTF | i actually had it fall on my head once while watchin tv episodes in bed & falling asleep |
| 09:37.23 | lardman | :) |
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| 09:41.06 | lardman | starts rootstock running |
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| 09:45.51 | MohammadAG | alterego, ping |
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| 10:15.23 | kerio | i have bootmenu installed, do i have to do something weird before reflashing? |
| 10:17.38 | kerio | alternative question: will reflashing combined+vanilla with the flasher make the n900 return to factory conditions, software-wise? |
| 10:17.59 | MohammadAG | follow up question: are you selling it? |
| 10:18.21 | MohammadAG | and yes, besides the lock code |
| 10:18.38 | kerio | no, i'm just resetting it to pr1.3 + cssu |
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| 10:20.15 | MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/in7h2e.jpg any suggestions? |
| 10:20.24 | MohammadAG | still can't figure out how to select items |
| 10:21.15 | alterego | The album art reflection looks weird |
| 10:22.14 | alterego | Sort of makes it look like there's a semi transparent bar along the bottom or something |
| 10:23.00 | kerio | does anyone have their product id for tablets-dev.nokia.com? |
| 10:23.05 | kerio | i mean, copypastable |
| 10:23.22 | alterego | Don't you? :P |
| 10:23.34 | alterego | It's written on the phone |
| 10:23.35 | MohammadAG | alterego, the controls are auto hidden, it looks better on the device anyway |
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| 10:23.48 | alterego | Or *#06# shows it |
| 10:24.21 | kerio | :( |
| 10:24.27 | MohammadAG | but I hate how the ListView is basically just a list, without any signals/highlights etc |
| 10:24.28 | kerio | i can't copypaste that! |
| 10:25.17 | alterego | Why don't you do a bottom border on the list items |
| 10:25.37 | alterego | kerio: I don't want to publish my IMEI on the internet thanks. |
| 10:26.18 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'd also do a scroll indicator |
| 10:27.23 | alterego | You're problem is black is bloody boring :P |
| 10:28.13 | MohammadAG | Your* |
| 10:28.34 | alterego | Yes |
| 10:29.32 | alterego | anyway bbl |
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| 10:45.11 | kerio | NOLO_REQ_GET_STATUS: Result too large wat |
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| 11:14.24 | pupnik | the most amazing 256 byte demo ever http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53816 |
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| 11:19.33 | pupnik | this needs to be in a bootloader trojan or mailheader trojan or smth |
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| 11:22.47 | pupnik | is there a normal gl/gles version of that hyperbolic lattice? |
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| 11:30.43 | pupnik | one of the coolest guys in the world |
| 11:30.48 | pupnik | http://rrrola.wz.cz/ |
| 11:33.37 | pupnik | nobody has ever freakin come close to n900 i'm afraid |
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| 11:43.36 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/4Qoz8.png i made a new player inventory background |
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| 11:48.53 | frank956 | hi |
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| 12:02.29 | djszapi | any idea how to make the mediaplayer work ? :) |
| 12:02.46 | djszapi | I cannot really open an existing video files from my system with it... |
| 12:03.06 | djszapi | I do not see any open button or something where I can browse the filesystem for a video. |
| 12:04.15 | pupnik | where do the screenshots get saved?! |
| 12:05.01 | pupnik | it says 'press camera key to take a screenshot' but then when i press the camera key it says 'open lens cover' |
| 12:05.10 | djszapi | pupnik: maemo is full of magic :) |
| 12:05.20 | pupnik | do you know how to take a screenshot? |
| 12:05.36 | pupnik | in a hurry |
| 12:05.40 | djszapi | compile scrot manually :) |
| 12:06.48 | pupnik | there's a screenshot button |
| 12:06.51 | pupnik | do you know how to use it? |
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| 12:09.15 | alterego | CTRL+SHIT+P takes a screenshot and sticks it under ~/MyDocs/.images/screenshots |
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| 12:10.58 | pupnik | 8ty ty |
| 12:11.03 | djszapi | hi alterego: do you know how to open a video file with mediaplayer if it did not find anything by default, but there are video files in my /home/user/ and /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 12:11.06 | djszapi | ? |
| 12:11.27 | alterego | file manager |
| 12:11.30 | alterego | click on file |
| 12:11.36 | alterego | should open the media player. |
| 12:13.53 | pupnik | found it |
| 12:13.54 | pupnik | yt ty |
| 12:14.54 | neal | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control seems to suggest that the icd2 source is available. Anyone know where it is? |
| 12:19.52 | pupnik | i am beginning to be proud of this: http://i.imgur.com/RiX3s.png |
| 12:20.52 | alterego | What is it? :P |
| 12:21.30 | djszapi | alterego: do you have any idea why the mplayer does not display the video, but the sound works properly ? |
| 12:21.52 | alterego | Unsupported video codec? |
| 12:22.00 | alterego | Have you tried running it from commandline? |
| 12:25.06 | GuySoft | hey all, is there a way i can help with the Diablo Community Project? |
| 12:28.22 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure if anyone involved still hangs out on #maemo |
| 12:28.31 | MohammadAG | ~seen lma |
| 12:28.34 | infobot | lma <51bb52a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.187.82.165> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 226d 3h 4m 28s ago, saying: 'X-Fade: same here, thanks!'. |
| 12:28.53 | djszapi | alterego: yes |
| 12:29.56 | alterego | djszapi: well, that should give you some indication of what's wrong. |
| 12:30.23 | djszapi | I can paste but I did not see the root cause |
| 12:30.28 | djszapi | I tried to reinstall ffmpeg fex. |
| 12:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: the screenshot feature of load applet is kinda useless. ctrl-sh-p is way better (and doesn't capture its own notifiers ;-P) |
| 12:31.45 | djszapi | alterego: do you know in which folder(s) the mediaplayer is looking for video files ? |
| 12:32.03 | alterego | djszapi: should find them in ~/MyDocs |
| 12:32.15 | alterego | djszapi: but if it's an unsupported codec .. It wont fild them. |
| 12:32.40 | djszapi | mmh that is fairly odd.... |
| 12:34.08 | djszapi | alterego:: file manager does not see anything, just memory card :) |
| 12:34.19 | djszapi | and that is also unsupported. |
| 12:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: the mediaplayer - alas - does *not* look in any folder or location of filesystem for any files. It's completely depending on tracker. Where trackerd is looking for files can get configured by app tracker-cfg |
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| 12:35.54 | djszapi | Mplayer: "Ogg file format detected..." "Selected audio coder: [ffvorbis] afm: ffmpeh (FFmpeg Vorbis)..." |
| 12:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | there's a a plugin for mediaplayer to actually open files: grilo |
| 12:36.31 | djszapi | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory ... Video: no video |
| 12:36.36 | djszapi | etc etc |
| 12:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 12:36.51 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: thanks it does work |
| 12:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | OSS??!! |
| 12:37.11 | MohammadAG | ignore the /dev/dsp error, it's from N810 times apparently |
| 12:37.16 | djszapi | I know well |
| 12:37.17 | pupnik | you know how awesome maemo is... and opensource etc |
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| 12:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | ohmy |
| 12:37.23 | pupnik | people like me can make stuff with it |
| 12:37.24 | djszapi | that is why I said I did not see anything wrong. |
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| 12:42.19 | djszapi | alterego: any clue ? |
| 12:42.31 | MohammadAG | ffs sometimes I hate QML |
| 12:42.31 | djszapi | seems the format is supported well, no idea why mediaplayer does not see it .... |
| 12:42.57 | alterego | MohammadAG: or do you hate yourself for not knowing it better :P |
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| 12:43.11 | MohammadAG | alterego, no, I hate it :P |
| 12:43.33 | djszapi | alterego: is there any better video playing option on meego ? I would love to use it and drop maemo ;) |
| 12:43.34 | MohammadAG | I've been trying to get it to select an item from a ListView for 3 hours now |
| 12:43.41 | MohammadAG | it's ignoring all input |
| 12:43.53 | djszapi | MohammadAG: wfm |
| 12:45.07 | alterego | Can I see your code |
| 12:45.21 | alterego | Listviews are easy, just have a mouse are in your delegate .. |
| 12:45.26 | alterego | s/are/area/ |
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| 12:45.37 | MohammadAG | alterego, I have one |
| 12:46.24 | djszapi | alterego: I wonder what else I could do if I have already reinstalled the mplayer more times and its dependencies... |
| 12:46.39 | alterego | djszapi: what format is the videeo? |
| 12:46.45 | alterego | You could try vlc |
| 12:46.52 | alterego | Anyway, I've got stuff todo. |
| 12:46.53 | djszapi | ogv as said |
| 12:47.09 | alterego | Hrm |
| 12:47.30 | djszapi | well users use a mplayer for a reason, it should not be changed until it is really hopeless (fex. does not work by anybody) :) |
| 12:47.34 | djszapi | * player |
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| 12:48.14 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://pastebin.com/BkWRKy44 |
| 12:48.45 | MohammadAG | line 131 |
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| 12:48.59 | alterego | If you know what line the problem is what's the problem :P |
| 12:49.25 | MohammadAG | that's where the mousearea is |
| 12:49.34 | MohammadAG | I don't know where the problem is :P |
| 12:49.59 | MohammadAG | I'm not getting the "wtf" either |
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| 12:51.38 | alterego | You should put the mouse area at the bottom of that component |
| 12:51.49 | alterego | Below the rows at least. |
| 12:51.55 | MohammadAG | I moved it up to test, didn't matter |
| 12:52.04 | ShadowJK | djszapi, use pastebin.com or similar to paste output of mplayer |
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| 12:55.21 | ShadowJK | ... |
| 12:55.43 | MohammadAG | alterego, see? there isn't anything else wrong and it's still not working :P |
| 12:56.11 | alterego | Well there's obviously something wrong :P |
| 12:57.23 | MohammadAG | facepalms |
| 12:59.10 | MohammadAG | alterego, I moved the delegate back into the qml but used the old one :P |
| 12:59.46 | MohammadAG | so it's working now, except for one minor problem, when I click an item it scroll to the one below |
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| 13:14.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, I take back what I said about QML :P |
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| 15:29.38 | RST38h | "Steve Wozniak told Reuters he would consider returning to an active role at Apple, the company he co-founded, and believes the consumer electronics giant could afford to be more open than it is." |
| 15:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
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| 15:38.36 | GAN900 | I love how the whole company is trending to lowest common denominator. |
| 15:39.02 | RST38h | Which one? =) |
| 15:39.04 | GAN900 | Their whole pro userbase has been pretty well abandoned. |
| 15:39.16 | RST38h | Ah, Apple... Who cares... |
| 15:41.20 | GAN900 | I kind of do, because I like using their operating system |
| 15:41.36 | RST38h | And, BTW, wait until you can only sell OSX programs via their AppStore, that will definitely bring a few planks down... |
| 15:41.38 | GAN900 | and now the next big update is mostly composed of features ported from the iPad. |
| 15:42.02 | GAN900 | I just wish there were some real pro apps available on Linux. |
| 15:42.09 | GAN900 | Adobe needs to port their stuff. |
| 15:42.45 | RST38h | Not until there are people willing to shell $99+ for a Linux app =) |
| 15:43.03 | GAN900 | Dunno, seems like Photoshop would sell. |
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| 15:51.07 | RST38h | GAN: Photoshop people are usually unable to discern left mouse button from the right onw =) |
| 15:51.09 | RST38h | one |
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| 15:52.05 | CoreI` | hello all \o |
| 15:54.39 | n900-stuff | so quiet |
| 15:55.05 | n900-stuff | sitting in a boring wedding trying to pass time |
| 15:58.06 | GAN900 | RST38h, not in my experience. ;) |
| 16:00.15 | RST38h | Ah, there is still GIMP. NotPhotoshop but close enough. |
| 16:03.33 | GAN900 | I also need Premiere, After Effects, Lightroom, Illustrator and InDesign. |
| 16:12.37 | RST38h | Anyone tried setting up OSX runtime env inside Linux? =) |
| 16:13.52 | ArkanoiD- | RST38h, desktop or iOS? desktop should work inside virtualbox with minor tweaks |
| 16:17.01 | RST38h | No, not virtualbox |
| 16:17.03 | ArkanoiD- | scud battery seems to be damn good. the only thing that is quite common for all "chinese" batteries: charge meter goes wrong on high consumption. turn GPS on and run mappero on low charge and the phone is likely to turn off. You may turn it on again and see that there is still quite enough left.. but only if you do not drain it excessively. |
| 16:17.30 | RST38h | I mean creating a bunch of dynamic libraries and modifying ld.so to make OSX apps run natively inside Linux |
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| 16:18.25 | ArkanoiD- | RST38h, console/X11 ones? |
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| 16:18.57 | RST38h | no, the full Cocoa ones |
| 16:18.59 | ShadowJK | i guess you'd start from GNUStep, and then a binfmt handler in the kernel for the os x executable format... |
| 16:19.25 | ArkanoiD- | Cocoa might be tricky |
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| 16:20.49 | ArkanoiD- | plays angry birds seasons.. if we could not (really!) run it on n900, it could save about 20 hours of productive life for me :-) |
| 16:24.25 | RST38h | Can we run it on N900? Really? |
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| 16:29.52 | ArkanoiD- | RST38h, need a .deb? :-) |
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| 16:37.42 | ArkanoiD- | actually i'd pay for it if it was officially available for n900 |
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| 17:09.51 | Dhraakellian | wonders if there's a compose key equivalent on maemo |
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| 19:06.34 | mesx | hi folks, i used dosfslabel to change label on eMMC fat32 partition, but it seems that label isnt changed, in File Manger it is, but when I mount it on archbox old label is shown. How can I check on n900 terminal is label changed? |
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| 19:39.33 | MohammadAG | file manager uses BT name |
| 19:44.00 | mesx | MohammadAG: is there maymbe some script that instantchanges label? |
| 19:44.34 | MohammadAG | umm, change the Bluetooth name |
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| 19:44.54 | MohammadAG | that's what the file manager displays |
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| 19:54.57 | lbt | is bluemaemo supposed to work? |
| 19:55.06 | lbt | in 1.3 |
| 19:55.18 | lbt | I'm getting dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetMode" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist |
| 19:55.54 | MohammadAG | try turning on bluetooth before starting BlueMaemo |
| 19:57.15 | mesx | just checked "dosfslabel /dev/mmcblk0p1 maki" doesnt change name in file manager only bluetooth does. (dosfslabel works fine on memory card) |
| 19:57.33 | lbt | MohammadAG: trying... |
| 19:57.45 | lbt | looks like it won't start anymore |
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| 19:58.53 | lbt | ouch... no bluetooth |
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| 20:02.53 | lbt | great, I install bluemaemo and lose bluetooth... *sigh* |
| 20:04.58 | MohammadAG | lbt, try start bluetoothd in a root shell |
| 20:05.31 | MohammadAG | mesx, yes, that's what I said... |
| 20:05.53 | lbt | I just rebooted MohammadAG... |
| 20:05.58 | lbt | didn't help |
| 20:06.08 | lbt | but : ps -ef shows : 940 root 3408 S /usr/sbin/bluetoothd -n |
| 20:06.30 | lbt | before rebooting I killed it and it autostarted |
| 20:07.05 | lbt | I do notice that it asks for a device name when I enable BT ...that always used to be filled in |
| 20:07.17 | lbt | nothing obvious in dmesg or syslog |
| 20:07.22 | MohammadAG | do you have bluez installed? |
| 20:08.11 | lbt | bluez is already the newest version. |
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| 20:08.15 | lbt | so yes |
| 20:08.49 | lbt | I followed : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9969 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53612 and did the apt-get install libeet1=1.2.2+svn41533-maemo1 |
| 20:08.51 | povbot` | Bug 9969: cant install BlueMaemo |
| 20:09.02 | lbt | which allowed me to install it |
| 20:09.05 | MohammadAG | try reinstalling it |
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| 20:09.15 | MohammadAG | bluez that is |
| 20:09.46 | lbt | Reinstallation of bluez is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 20:11.16 | lbt | hmm now I look at my repos in shell I see a mix of 1.2/1.3 ones |
| 20:11.35 | lbt | and the ssu one that I've not installed |
| 20:11.54 | mesx | what process do I have to kill so i can safely unmount /home? |
| 20:12.19 | MohammadAG | Get:1 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ bluez 4.60-0maemo1.6+0m5 [386kB] |
| 20:12.21 | lbt | mesx: from a shell do lsof | grep /home |
| 20:12.41 | MohammadAG | you need to have the SSU disabled |
| 20:12.44 | MohammadAG | mesx, init basically |
| 20:13.00 | MohammadAG | lots of stuff runs from /opt, which is /home/opt |
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| 20:17.25 | lbt | MohammadAG: mmm it's been a while so I don't recall the fremantle invocations |
| 20:17.34 | lbt | I disabled ssu from app mgr |
| 20:17.47 | lbt | but don't see any other nokia repos to enable |
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| 20:31.48 | mesx | lbt, MohammadAG tnx, there are quite apps/process to kill, but will try it :) |
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| 20:35.34 | DocScrutinizer | mesx: I don't think it's possible to simply umount /home |
| 20:36.06 | lbt | so... I removed extras-devel, removed bluemaemo and rebooted .... still no bluetooth |
| 20:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | quite a number of processes running from either ~user or /opt will cause a reboot when killed |
| 20:36.16 | lbt | and apt-get install can't download it |
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| 20:43.00 | lbt | OK ... got it from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/b/bluez/bluez_4.60-0maemo1.6+0m5_armel.deb |
| 20:43.08 | lbt | reinstalled, and.... same |
| 20:43.25 | lbt | kill bluetoothd; /usr/sbin/bluetoothd -nd and ..... same |
| 20:43.36 | lbt | no output in 'debug' mode ... |
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| 21:20.12 | lbt | I think this was broken before bluemaemo |
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| 21:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall bluez4 has some problems that resulted in bluez3 being recommended. Can't recall which platform and for what purpose exactly |
| 21:48.00 | lbt | it works on wife's n900 |
| 21:48.19 | lbt | so I'm running strace on the 2 bluetoothd's |
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| 21:49.48 | lbt | I killed bluetoothd and got the hostname as "BCM2048B0 Initialization Configuration" |
| 21:49.51 | lbt | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=420462 |
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| 22:03.49 | lbt | ha! hci_h4p: probe of hci_h4p failed with error -110 |
| 22:04.04 | lbt | hci_h4p hci_h4p: No cts from bt chip |
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| 22:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 22:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | no cts from BT chip is a rather decent error msg |
| 22:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | have you enabled BT? |
| 22:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | iirc it not only needs power-on but also upload of firmware - plus possibly other initialization |
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| 22:23.21 | lbt | nope... fixed it :) |
| 22:23.28 | lbt | power off |
| 22:23.35 | lbt | remove battery for 30secs... |
| 22:23.38 | lbt | power on |
| 22:23.45 | lbt | goddam windows |
| 22:25.09 | lbt | (for introducing the world to powercycles) |
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| 22:32.22 | mikki-kun | lbt: if only linux was available, the world would be so much better |
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| 22:37.03 | lbt | :) |
| 22:40.32 | GAN900 | lbt, it's another facet of Nokia's Green initiative. :P |
| 22:41.27 | lbt | *g* |
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| 22:48.31 | GAN900 | "Hey, if we can get them to stop wasting power for as long as the battery's out, that'll be good, right?" |
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| 22:52.04 | Andy80 | hi jrocha :) |
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| 22:53.02 | jrocha | Andy80, hi |
| 22:53.07 | GAN900 | Why are people who type up news headlines incapable of spelling trademarks correctly? |
| 22:53.15 | GAN900 | "I-PAD 2" |
| 22:56.31 | Venemo | GAN900, because they are idiots |
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