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| 03:02.31 | Clmbr | hi all |
| 03:04.40 | Clmbr | any able to help me...Ever since I've installed audio boost, it takes about 4-5 rings to bring up the phone inteface-then the volume increase and I can answer the call if voice mails doesn't pick up or the part hangs up =/ |
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| 03:09.23 | Proteous | I've never used audio boost |
| 03:09.28 | Proteous | did you try uninstalling it? |
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| 03:11.19 | Clmbr | nah i will likly end up do so though. |
| 03:12.03 | Clmbr | ty for reply. |
| 03:13.02 | Proteous | I had a bad experience with an EQ app I tried |
| 03:13.32 | Proteous | a while back. made the audio pop and use a lot of CPU |
| 03:17.02 | Clmbr | uggg, i would be upset =/....I work around loud machinery and chainsaws and I really enjoy the audio boost but seems buggy, so if i'm unable to answer my calls thats a bigger issue. |
| 03:18.16 | Proteous | yeah, disrupting phone functionality is no good |
| 03:18.50 | Proteous | maybe try some headphones/earbuds that block out noise better |
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| 03:20.32 | ZogG | Proteous зÑÑп |
| 03:20.40 | ZogG | ping |
| 03:23.30 | Proteous | sure |
| 03:23.38 | Proteous | зÑÑп |
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| 03:33.01 | ZogG | Proteous, i think i talked to you a lot of time ago |
| 03:33.11 | Proteous | could be |
| 03:33.26 | ZogG | you said you barely here, we talked about port of some java app |
| 03:33.30 | ZogG | could it be you? |
| 03:33.41 | Proteous | probably not me |
| 03:33.48 | Proteous | I hate java |
| 03:33.49 | Proteous | :P |
| 03:34.02 | ZogG | =) |
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| 06:44.16 | FIQ|n900 | huh... |
| 06:45.21 | FIQ|n900 | Ok, one time I mis-typed a number with SMS: "07xyyyyyyy" in which x is incorrect and y correct. |
| 06:45.49 | FIQ|n900 | For some reason, my original conversation with the person opened, and I though the number was correct |
| 06:45.55 | FIQ|n900 | What the...? |
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| 06:51.31 | ruskie | erm... |
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| 06:51.41 | ruskie | maybe it mind read it? |
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| 06:58.48 | pupnik_ | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=8898 US Circuit Court upholds warrantless siezure (theft) of laptops for travellers entering USA |
| 07:01.13 | ruskie | why is that even a surprise? |
| 07:01.38 | ruskie | generally you're not in any country while traveling across borders(i.e. a bit of no-mans land there)... |
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| 07:02.10 | pupnik_ | It is a violation of the law |
| 07:02.27 | ruskie | what law exactly? there is no law where there is no country to impose it |
| 07:02.33 | yacc | FIQ|n900, the reason is that Nokias and not only the N900, have been doing a suffix match for phonenumbers since the beginning of time => the reason is that a number xxxxxx can be signaled with different prefixes, e.g. 0, 0CC 00CC, +CC with CC being the country prefix. |
| 07:02.38 | ruskie | hint hint... no-mans land |
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| 07:03.16 | yacc | pupnik_, actually not really, while entering/exiting a country customs official have been having a free hand since ever, ... |
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| 07:05.00 | yacc | pupnik_, not that it does not suck, ... |
| 07:05.01 | pupnik_ | yacc: that is an illegal, unconstitutional act |
| 07:05.08 | ruskie | yes human rights should be respected... but generally you have no rights on borders |
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| 07:07.23 | yacc | pupnik_, it's just the logical conclusion what would happen if you tried to transport a closed safe without the possibility to open it => if the border guards would notice that, they'd keep it for secondary inspection too :( |
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| 07:09.52 | yacc | pupnik_, it's no wonder that it has been standard business procedure for a couple of years to give a cleanly imaged laptop to business travelers to the US, if travel to the US is unavoidable (nobody sane liked to travel to communistic police states, and nobody likes to travel to a "war on terrorism" police state like the US) |
| 07:10.16 | pupnik_ | ahh that's good policy |
| 07:10.29 | yacc | pupnik_, warrentless searches, check (the FBI agent just needs to have imagined that it might be terrorism or national security related) |
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| 07:11.13 | yacc | pupnik_, warrentless unspecified jail terms being kept without communication, check (see above) |
| 07:11.14 | ruskie | yacc, or "think of the children" related |
| 07:12.45 | yacc | pupnik_, warrentless data searches, check (see SWIFT, which is explicitly illegal by EU standards, but is tolerated by EU politician exactly because of that, the US is doing the dirty data searches that they couldn't get their hands on for them, ...) |
| 07:13.12 | pupnik_ | i didn't know that ty |
| 07:13.25 | ruskie | actually swift and passangare data sharing has been on the kicking front recently |
| 07:13.40 | ruskie | I recall some news about it |
| 07:14.02 | pupnik_ | it's absolutely ridiculous of some people to assert that data-privacy is not a goal of FOSS |
| 07:14.43 | yacc | ruskie, yeah, if terrorism does not cut it, kiddie porn (hint: no really hard definition for that, you know, the exact definition varies from country to country, e.g. if you are unlucky, a photograph of your wife and your kids playing in the bath tub can get you that sexual predator stamp) is always a good explanation why a common human has no rights ;) |
| 07:14.46 | pupnik_ | personal decision of what happens with your data and code is at the core of open source philosophy |
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| 07:15.36 | jacekowski | yacc: i just use truecrypt when crossing borders |
| 07:15.39 | yacc | ruskie, yeah, since the last round of EU treaties, the EU parliament has to much to say => and these are 732 or so potential trouble makers ;) |
| 07:15.45 | pupnik_ | Elop needs to be physically banned from finland. |
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| 07:16.04 | jacekowski | yacc: it takes only 3h to encrypt/decrypt whole disk |
| 07:16.14 | yacc | jacekowski, than hope that you don't cross into the UK. They'll ask you nice for your encryption key, and if you say no (whatever) lookup you up for 5 years ;) |
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| 07:17.00 | jacekowski | yacc: as far as i know they can only send you do prison for not giving up encryption keys if you are convicted of another crime at the same time ( related to reason why you were asked to give up your keys ) |
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| 07:17.29 | yacc | jacekowski, I do not use any hdd without LUKS on it, only exception being vfat formated (usually flash) mass storage device that is used to exchange data. |
| 07:18.13 | ruskie | yacc, actually the parliament so far has done more proper things |
| 07:18.36 | yacc | jacekowski, not really, they just need to claim that they saw suspicious images on the device before you shutdown, and if you do not hand over the keys you will be getting sentenced for that, because they cannot sentence you for kiddie porn, or even check if you are guilty. |
| 07:19.06 | ruskie | if I ever had a need to travel anywhere I'd bring a clean slate system with me and simply grab any data I need over an encrytped channel over the network later |
| 07:19.19 | yacc | ruskie, only because the lobbying influences have not yet recalibrated for the fact the the parliament does have teeth now, ... |
| 07:19.37 | yacc | ruskie, congrats, you just figured it out ;) |
| 07:19.44 | ruskie | yacc, well lobbying so far failed for patent reform... |
| 07:19.54 | ruskie | yacc, ??? |
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| 07:20.06 | ruskie | that has always been my plan... clean slate system and grab any data later |
| 07:20.26 | ruskie | even when it was a bit safer |
| 07:20.39 | yacc | ruskie, as I said, the EU parliament had for decades only very limited rights. The perfect place to park idealistic politicians that are incapable of being day-to-day pragmatic, ... |
| 07:20.54 | ruskie | and the EU commision is??? |
| 07:21.39 | yacc | Full of pragmatic day-to-day politicians that do not give any thought to human rights, what is right or wrong, they only represent the pragmatic concerns of their governments, ... |
| 07:21.55 | ruskie | actually they don't |
| 07:22.02 | ruskie | they represent the pragmatic concerns of their parties |
| 07:22.24 | ruskie | if they actually represented the pragmatic concerns of their governments I'd be more worried |
| 07:23.01 | ruskie | not to mention the system would be stagnating to infinity... |
| 07:23.13 | yacc | The EU parliament => not really, not yet, because of it's decade long impotence, it was a parking place for inconvinient politicians for a long time, nice benefits, no relevance (as in minimal national exposure to press), perfect, ... |
| 07:23.34 | ruskie | because various governments at the best of times have problems cooperating on the most mundane levels |
| 07:23.47 | yacc | ruskie, welcome to EU politics, ... |
| 07:24.00 | ruskie | I guess it depends on the gov |
| 07:24.20 | ruskie | but around here we generally voted for who goes there and rarely were these people inconvienences on tho national level |
| 07:24.30 | yacc | ruskie, well yes and no, the EU has been a consensual "government elite" project for decades, ... |
| 07:24.44 | yacc | ruskie, here is where? |
| 07:24.48 | ruskie | slovenia |
| 07:24.54 | ruskie | <-- is on EU sceptic |
| 07:24.57 | ruskie | erm an |
| 07:25.54 | yacc | Well, inconviences is the wrong word perhaps, but the fact is that any politician that moves to some EU position becomes near irrelevant nationally, ... |
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| 07:26.22 | ruskie | considering how relevant the national ones are... |
| 07:26.31 | ruskie | it doesn't really change much around here |
| 07:26.48 | ruskie | we have a total crop gov currently...(and didn't do much better before)... |
| 07:26.56 | yacc | ruskie, no idea if I'm a fan or a sceptic => I'm much like this brit PM during WWII, the EU is a bad thing, but name me a better plan, ... |
| 07:27.04 | ruskie | transitioning from communism to capitalism... free-for-alls etc... |
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| 07:27.35 | pupnik_ | yacc: there are competing visions for the EU. One is a freemarket zone, the other is a central planned economy. Both can be called 'European Union' |
| 07:27.37 | yacc | Fact is that the EU national states are way to tiny on a global scale to be bothered with, ... |
| 07:28.10 | ruskie | currently we have a capitalists wet dream... no oversight, no sanctions, useless judical system, and bansk willing to give out lots of money for "privatization" |
| 07:29.08 | ruskie | yacc, I would call you a sceptic... it's a bad thing but there is nothing better(yet)... |
| 07:29.13 | yacc | Well, actually what you mean is probably more like a fully integrated economy, and that's the one that makes sense, but then I've been by design anti-nationalistic for my whole life, I do not tend to cheer for my national sport teams and having worked and traveled in a couple of places, I tend to see both sides of the coin in many cases. |
| 07:29.39 | ruskie | I don't much care for national intresets myself |
| 07:29.42 | yacc | E.g. going to school in France was fascinating, they have quite a different view of history than say Austrians/Germans ;) |
| 07:30.08 | ruskie | everybody and their dog has a different view on history |
| 07:30.29 | yacc | ruskie, naturally, but most people do not realize that ;) |
| 07:30.39 | ruskie | I can ask 5 people around me what they thought about Josip Broz Tito and each will give me a completly different answer... |
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| 07:31.41 | yacc | ruskie, well, in your case it's a special case, because it's to personal to many people, and most of these people have lived with Tito to with direct consequences of Tito, ... |
| 07:31.42 | ruskie | I prefer to just consider everything false until I can review it myself and even then will doubt it as an actual truth |
| 07:32.20 | ruskie | or the german/italian occupation of slovenia during wwII etc... |
| 07:32.26 | yacc | Well, I tend to have a non-monotone view of the world, ... |
| 07:33.22 | ruskie | same here |
| 07:34.06 | yacc | ruskie, well, without being a revisionist, you have to realize that the good guys in the WWII e.g. the US, have been nearly as rassistic as the Nazis (e.g. I wouldn't want to be a Nigger in the 30s or 40s in the US, where a white murding a Nigger got a slap on the hand at best, ...) |
| 07:34.18 | ruskie | agreed |
| 07:36.44 | yacc | And one big concept that I live with is look at what they do and not what they talk => it's very hard to identify the good guys nowadays is you hide their names. E.g. the US (but also other western governments) are very hard to identify as the good guys if you try to analyze them by what they do, and declare Axioms like "they are good because they are the US/UK/France/Germany/EU/Nato" invalid, ... |
| 07:37.22 | ruskie | to true... |
| 07:38.00 | yacc | Anyway, I'll try to get myself identified as the clean guy, so bbl, the shower is calling me ;) |
| 07:38.18 | pupnik_ | cheers |
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| 07:38.32 | ruskie | the: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter always comes to mind |
| 07:39.12 | jo-erlend | help! I accidentally pressed lock phone instead of the keyboard and screen lock. And I don't remember the password. I have root ssh access. How do I fix this? |
| 07:39.31 | ruskie | you don't remember it? and it isn't toe default? |
| 07:39.34 | ruskie | erm the |
| 07:39.37 | jo-erlend | perhaps there is a default password? |
| 07:39.41 | ruskie | 12345 |
| 07:39.47 | ruskie | should be the default if you never set it |
| 07:39.51 | ruskie | else see talk.maemo.org |
| 07:39.58 | ruskie | there's a thread on how to reset it |
| 07:40.17 | ruskie | iirc lock code reset or something like that should find the thread |
| 07:40.18 | jo-erlend | ah I remembered it once I knew it was five numbers long. Thanks :) |
| 07:40.23 | ruskie | yw |
| 07:40.50 | jo-erlend | cause it can't be longer or shorter than that? |
| 07:40.58 | ruskie | not sure |
| 07:41.07 | ruskie | I would assume it could be shorter |
| 07:41.13 | ruskie | or longer... but not sure |
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| 08:04.06 | neal | ICD2 sends a "scan_sig" message when network scan data is available. What are all the possible values of NETWORK_TYPE parameter. I know that it can take the values WLAN_INFRA, WLAN_ADHOC and GPRS. Are there any others? |
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| 08:15.15 | yacc | Reading the lock code reset thread one gets the impression that quite a bit of N900 buyers are not exactly old linux hackers, ... |
| 08:15.43 | ruskie | why? |
| 08:16.17 | yacc | And that these duffus would greatly benefit from somebody setting a simple CGI script somewhere that runs jack the ripper for the lock code, ... |
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| 08:18.50 | MohammadAG | importing files in QML is meh |
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| 08:25.05 | MohammadAG | alterego, do extra components have to be in a folder? |
| 08:25.21 | MohammadAG | using import "Slider.qml" throws an error, but Slider.qml exists |
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| 08:36.17 | crashanddie | you have to love the display of self destruct that Nokia has been demonstrating |
| 08:37.22 | ruskie | you mean it wasn't doing so since a long time ago? |
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| 08:43.02 | alterego | MohammadAG: you don't have to import. Just use Slider {} and it loads the .qml file automagically. |
| 08:43.08 | alterego | importing is for .js files and modules. |
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| 08:50.47 | MohammadAG | alterego, oh, thanks |
| 08:53.39 | jo-erlend | crashanddie: I don't love it at all. It's like a train wreck. You can't look away, but if you consider all the passengers and their lives, it's really quite sad. |
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| 08:54.04 | crashanddie | I think it's endlessly entertaining |
| 08:55.31 | jo-erlend | and that's what we call schadenfreude. |
| 08:55.58 | crashanddie | indeed |
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| 08:58.40 | pupnik | < yacc> Reading the lock code reset thread one gets the impression that quite a <<< this is a sign of success of N900 / maemo5 |
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| 08:59.39 | pupnik | it's precisely the success of the talented folks at nokia to make a 'phone based on linux' that appeals to people who don't primarily buy it as a linux device |
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| 09:15.38 | MohammadAG | alterego, shouldn't an anchor lock an item in place? |
| 09:16.48 | alterego | MohammadAG: depends if the item it's anchored to is locked. |
| 09:17.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://i55.tinypic.com/jts8jm.jpg |
| 09:17.55 | MohammadAG | duration text should be anchored to the end of the slider, but it seems to be way off |
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| 09:19.20 | alterego | Can I see the Qml for that. |
| 09:19.25 | alterego | Oh wait, you're using the editor. |
| 09:19.34 | alterego | Interesting |
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| 09:20.56 | MohammadAG | actually using the raw editor for the most part, just checking anchors with the GUI one |
| 09:21.10 | alterego | Well, let me see the qml then :) |
| 09:21.50 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/gYmxkx9W |
| 09:22.29 | MohammadAG | Slider.qml would be http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-mobility-snapshot/declarative-location-flickr-flickrcommon-slider-qml.html :P |
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| 09:26.38 | alterego | Well, that's easy |
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| 09:26.49 | alterego | You need to change the anchors in songPositionText |
| 09:26.54 | alterego | anchors.right: slider.right |
| 09:27.02 | alterego | and remove anchors.rightMargin |
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| 09:32.07 | MohammadAG | heh, the designer's crap |
| 09:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~moo |
| 09:32.26 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 09:33.08 | alterego | MohammadAG: I never use it, but it does have indicators for the anchor points which maybe you should pay better attention too :P |
| 09:33.27 | MohammadAG | alterego, actually, I did, those are what set it to left :P |
| 09:34.01 | alterego | (close your ears DocScrutinizer) |
| 09:34.07 | alterego | MohammadAG: submit a bug report? :D |
| 09:37.12 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 09:37.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, can't, I'm using some ancient old version |
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| 09:37.45 | MohammadAG | so it might've been fixed, but since packaging is back in Qt Creator, I stopped updating :P |
| 09:37.46 | alterego | It's okay, I wasn't serious :P |
| 09:38.30 | MohammadAG | alterego, there's no way to use QSlider in QML right? |
| 09:38.44 | alterego | Well, there is |
| 09:38.46 | alterego | But it's not great. |
| 09:38.57 | alterego | Binding QWidgets into Qml is fiddly :P |
| 09:39.05 | MohammadAG | neither is the slider I'm currently using |
| 09:39.09 | MohammadAG | I need to change the range a lot |
| 09:39.17 | alterego | Make it better? |
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| 09:40.39 | thomastp | is there a way to see what's currently building in the fremantle build queue ? |
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| 10:42.41 | pupnik | "In Germany, under the law, everything is prohibited,e xcept that which is permitted." -- Newton Minow |
| 10:42.46 | ZogG | pup`ping |
| 10:42.59 | ZogG | pupnik, ping* |
| 10:43.21 | ZogG | pupnik, http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/ |
| 10:43.36 | ZogG | i remember you loved pornophonique |
| 10:44.20 | ruskie | pupnik, I thought that was more or less all european juristdictions... with the exception of the UK(where it is the reverse) |
| 10:45.19 | pupnik | pretty crazy |
| 10:45.22 | thomastp | is there a way to see what's currently building in the fremantle build queue ? |
| 10:45.33 | ruskie | pupnik, the EU law also works the same |
| 10:46.12 | ZogG | all laws work the same |
| 10:46.24 | ZogG | even in soviet russia |
| 10:47.19 | ZogG | as we say "the unknowing of law doesn't release guilty from punishment" |
| 10:47.31 | ruskie | ZogG, wrong |
| 10:48.06 | ZogG | otherwise i can kill and than prove i did know i can't |
| 10:48.10 | MohammadAG | alterego, is it possible to emit a signal from QML with a parameter? |
| 10:48.14 | ZogG | ruskie say who? |
| 10:48.40 | MohammadAG | basically, I want to emit valueChanged(int)'s equivalent |
| 10:48.54 | MohammadAG | so I could tie it to C++ code |
| 10:49.13 | ruskie | there are 2 general approaches to lawmaking... one is everything is permited EXCEPT the stuff that is forbidden(UK and USA have this approach) and the other is everything is forbidden EXCEPT stuff that is permited(most of the EU has this)... |
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| 10:49.31 | ruskie | the end result is the same generally |
| 10:49.35 | pupnik | :) |
| 10:49.56 | pupnik | don't piss off pppl with power |
| 10:50.05 | ruskie | also how the law is interpreted in court also plays a role |
| 10:50.58 | ruskie | you have common law jurisdictions(UK, USA) and Civil law(most of the world) |
| 10:51.30 | ruskie | Civil law - a court will reinterpret the law each time for each case with minimal reliance on previous cases and interpretations |
| 10:51.42 | ruskie | so two people accused of the same thing can get widely different results |
| 10:51.43 | LjL | do you have some hint about an N810 that's decided to reboot-loop forever? its internal disk was quite possibly full, and also, a few non-standard things were installed. is reflashing my only option? |
| 10:52.24 | ruskie | Common law - a court will take into account previous rullings and only rarely reinterpret(the specifics of the case should be different to do so generally) |
| 10:53.10 | ruskie | no I'm not a lawyer/paralegal or anything like that... but I did research this stuff a lot a while ago as I find it interesting... |
| 10:54.29 | ruskie | of course those are just the top most overlays... it gets subdivided with common influences... |
| 10:55.09 | ruskie | anyway OT... so enough on this topic |
| 10:55.35 | alterego | MohammadAG: yes, :) |
| 10:56.53 | MohammadAG | alterego, any pointers? :) |
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| 10:57.18 | MohammadAG | all I could find is connecting a signal with no parameters to Qt/C++ |
| 10:58.28 | ZogG | ruskie, the origin is actually "не знание закона, не оÑÐ²Ð¾Ð±Ð¾Ð¶Ð´Ð°ÐµÑ Ð¾ÑвеÑÑÑвеноÑÑи" |
| 10:59.19 | ruskie | ZogG, refering to that quote you mean? |
| 10:59.25 | ruskie | I'm not arguing that really |
| 10:59.59 | ZogG | i mean original quote and not my translation |
| 11:00.05 | ZogG | ruskie =* |
| 11:00.06 | alterego | MohammadAG: have you got: signal mySignal(int) in your qml? |
| 11:00.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, oh, so it can hold ints? |
| 11:00.34 | alterego | MohammadAG: then when you emit the signal do: comp.mySignal(10) |
| 11:00.36 | alterego | or whatever |
| 11:01.29 | MohammadAG | file:///home/mohammad/mediaplayer/entertainmentview.qml:12:34: Expected token `identifier' |
| 11:01.29 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:04.33 | alterego | MohammadAG: sorry: signal mySignal(int paramName) |
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| 11:09.07 | MohammadAG | alterego, cool, thanks :D |
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| 11:09.59 | alterego | MohammadAG: you have to specify a name so you can do: onMySignal: something.text = value |
| 11:10.07 | alterego | where value is the named param |
| 11:10.17 | alterego | Saves you using function binding. |
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| 11:10.50 | MohammadAG | alterego, already got it, I'll have to check if the slider's down and not emit the signal then though |
| 11:11.18 | MohammadAG | I'm assuming MouseArea can handle that... |
| 11:11.22 | alterego | Anyhow, I'll bbl |
| 11:11.28 | alterego | Yeah should do |
| 11:11.30 | alterego | bbl |
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| 11:37.13 | lardman | Anyone spotted that the French operation in Libya is called Harmattan? |
| 11:37.58 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:38.14 | lardman | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12831743 |
| 11:39.36 | MohammadAG | lardman, that's not a coincidence |
| 11:39.39 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 11:39.48 | lardman | well no, it's fitting |
| 11:41.21 | alterego | Does that mean they're all using N950s? |
| 11:41.33 | lardman | :) |
| 11:42.17 | alterego | Yay, bus is here |
| 11:42.38 | lardman | oh dear: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13012108 |
| 11:42.45 | lardman | attack by loofah, escape! |
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| 12:08.46 | MohammadAG | alterego, if I have a MouseArea over the slider then all input to it is blocked |
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| 12:13.33 | pupnik | wheee my inventory looks decent now |
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| 12:24.24 | mece | wow! Now that is a nice rendering: http://raph.com/3dartists/artgallery/6764.jpg :D |
| 12:26.24 | ruskie | hmm that magazine is of slovenian origins |
| 12:26.31 | mece | :) |
| 12:26.50 | mece | cannonfodder was great, but incredibly frustrating at times. |
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| 12:28.26 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, probably :) |
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| 12:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: those concepts always work on same principle. The first/most-upper object gets the event, looks at it and processes/ignores it, then exits by passing back either the 'cooked' even or a flag if the event got 'swallowed'. If this flag is not set, the outer control structure shall pass on event to next layer in handler stack |
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| 13:00.13 | Venemo | timeless_w7ip, could you please gimme the bug to that bugreport that you've shown us yesterday? about the example that deletes an object before using it. |
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| 13:01.50 | Venemo | timeless_w7ip, sorry. I meant, could you pleas gimme the link* |
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| 13:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.meego.com/attachment.cgi?id=5243 |
| 13:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | you'd also find that in http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-04-07.log.html |
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| 13:12.52 | GAN900 | "I know today is a deadline, but I wont be receiving any calls or texts. I should probably tell you, but I wouldn't want to be a bother." -My N900 |
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| 13:15.16 | Venemo | GAN900, :( |
| 13:15.20 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, thx |
| 13:15.44 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what's the bugzilla excercise to get into the bug itself? |
| 13:16.23 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, nevermind, I check the logs |
| 13:17.30 | stef_204 | hi, using N900 with Maemo 5, v 20.2010.36-2. Just wondering if anyone know is there is a way to reconfigure email client to use smaller fonts by default when composing |
| 13:18.08 | stef_204 | seems that once you config email client on 1st time u use it, can't reconfig the default. Or is it me? |
| 13:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: append &action=edit |
| 13:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: to url |
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| 13:18.51 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, found it! but thanks :) |
| 13:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 13:19.06 | stef_204 | Also, it insists on downloading all attachments regardless of whether one selects the email, etc. Is that configurable as well? |
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| 13:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | stef_204: modest (the mail client) is rather useless. So if in doubt about a feature, the answer usually is "not supported" |
| 13:21.25 | stef_204 | DocScrutinizer: I agree. I can't find another good email client to install that will really work |
| 13:22.13 | stef_204 | I tried Claws but can't really see the entire interface, and one o 2 others but same: they are from the dev mirror (if I recall) and do not seem to be ready for "mainstream" use |
| 13:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | nobody bothered to create a finger friendly MUA that has all the functions you'd like to see |
| 13:22.34 | stef_204 | any suggestions for a good alternative email client (IMAO)? |
| 13:22.41 | stef_204 | *(IMAP) |
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| 13:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea. I never felt like doing real email shoveling on N900 |
| 13:23.40 | stef_204 | I use it when I am on marketing or business trips |
| 13:23.43 | stef_204 | really important to me |
| 13:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | possibly a web client is the best option |
| 13:23.54 | stef_204 | I'll continue trial and error I guess |
| 13:24.18 | stef_204 | DocScrutinizer: Webmail is a PITA on the n900, if u ask me... :) |
| 13:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | never tried it |
| 13:24.47 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, thanks for finding this for me. It gave the Fedora QA folks a nice laugh :D |
| 13:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | I just know I go "MEH" and close modest when I see 27 unread spam mails in the list and don't see any option "mark all as read" |
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| 13:27.56 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, "mark all as read" is something I've been missing too |
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| 13:29.00 | stef_204 | that and other bandwidth hogs like huge PDF attachments, etc., that get downloaded automatically using up my bandwidth allocation on my cell plan |
| 13:29.33 | stef_204 | Modest is a good start; it works but just missing features IMHO |
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| 13:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep, a lot of missing features |
| 13:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | plus a few bugs |
| 13:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | e.g the missing option to NOT display the HTML part of multipart/mixed msgs is clearly a bug |
| 13:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if the bug of embedded attachements in multipart/mixed not showing is already fixed. Guess not |
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| 13:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'd need to ask my friend to send me a test msgs from his iPhone to check. YUCK |
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| 13:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | takes the opportunity to rant about apple: some time ago I've seen "XML" there, like <config><key>key1</key><value>value1</value><key>key2</key><value>value2</value></config> - what a fsckdup idea of XML is *that*?! |
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| 13:44.43 | jaska | yes, crapple property list in xml format.. abomination |
| 13:46.16 | inz | Doc, that looks almost like some things from thedailywtf, although they've had much worse snippets too |
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| 13:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | damn, how hard is it to get the idea of a strucured dataset? |
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| 13:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | <config><key><name>key1</name><value>value1</value></key><key><name>key2</name><value>value2</value></key></config> |
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| 13:52.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, that's ridiculous xml... the second version is quite sane though. |
| 13:53.03 | Venemo | and oh DocScrutinizer, did you know that Gnome has listened to your opinion and dumped GConf? |
| 13:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | the second version is a 5sec take I made up in a try to fix the first crappy version invented by apple |
| 13:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | yep, I know. They got something even worse now I gathered |
| 13:54.10 | Venemo | nope |
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| 13:54.20 | Venemo | they got something that actually performs well, called DConf |
| 13:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | D like Distributed? that sounds nice |
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| 13:55.34 | Venemo | dunno what it stands for |
| 13:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | each app responsible for their own config, and offering dbus interface so other apps can get to know about changes or change settings. Sounds semi-sane |
| 13:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | if that's the concept |
| 13:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's how I'd design such a thing |
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| 13:56.17 | Venemo | however, they haven't managed to port all their stuff away from GConf, so I now end up having both... |
| 13:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 13:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | at least my concept would allow to actually backup/move/copy an app *with complete settings* which could live in a config file in the app's working directory, as usual |
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| 13:59.48 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, so there's a new g spell, called 'gsettings' now :P |
| 14:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | an app could work even if there's no dbus at all on system, compare that to a system missing gconfd |
| 14:00.22 | E0x | spell.. that remember my days of sourcemage ( linux distro ) |
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| 14:00.53 | Venemo | yea |
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| 14:01.22 | BigWookie | :X i've got a very stupid question |
| 14:01.29 | BigWookie | anyone can get me a bin of tar? |
| 14:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | shoot |
| 14:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 14:01.51 | BigWookie | it seems i accidentially removed busybox |
| 14:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 14:02.10 | BigWookie | and dpkg relys on tar |
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| 14:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
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| 14:03.01 | Venemo | BigWookie, apt-get install --reinstall busybox? |
| 14:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | how would you install that binary on N900? |
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| 14:04.01 | BigWookie | wget -O /bin |
| 14:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | BigWookie: without messybox you can't boot, can't mv or cp or chmod or any other cmd |
| 14:04.33 | BigWookie | and apt-get won't work anymore |
| 14:04.39 | BigWookie | DocScrutinizer: it is running right now |
| 14:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 14:04.57 | BigWookie | best would be the whole /bin dir |
| 14:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | unerase busybox? |
| 14:06.04 | BigWookie | not possible |
| 14:06.09 | BigWookie | as I said dpkg won't work |
| 14:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | mc |
| 14:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | afaik it has a rudimentary unerase function |
| 14:06.40 | BigWookie | mc is not installed |
| 14:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 14:07.12 | BigWookie | if sbd could upload me his /bin dir i could unpack it on my desktop and scp it to /bin |
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| 14:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, you shall get a tar binary |
| 14:07.22 | E0x | http://asui.garage.maemo.org/_screenshots/keypad_2-landscape.png <-- advanced-systemui change the lock screen ? |
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| 14:08.09 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping |
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| 14:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | BigWookie: you got a /query ! |
| 14:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 14:20.16 | LjL | do you have some hint about an N810 that's decided to reboot-loop forever? its internal disk was quite possibly full, and also, a few non-standard things were installed. is reflashing my only option? |
| 14:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | I can't see a better option |
| 14:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | you *could* try to get a shell in initrd, and then clean the / on NAND |
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| 14:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | dunno how to accomplish that though |
| 14:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | o/ bbl |
| 14:23.58 | LjL | perhaps there is a way to go into R&D mode without flashing? i have a feeling it's the watchdog that's killing the system, and i've read R&D disables that |
| 14:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | you can set R6D without actually flashing. flasher has an option for that |
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| 14:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd no-omap-wd no-ext-wd no-lifeguard-reset --enable-rd-mode |
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| 14:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | the no-lifeguard-reset probably the most promising, aiui it will keep dsme from rebooting device on any of the monitored processes quitting ungracefully |
| 14:36.37 | BigWookie | /wc/wc |
| 14:36.45 | BigWookie | sry, and by xD |
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| 14:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | recalls "houston, we got a problem" after 50 reboots :-P |
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| 14:56.33 | Psi | while i like that there is someone out there working on espeak, having new versions put out every few days is getting a bit rediculous |
| 14:56.52 | alterego | Just implemented waypoint projection |
| 14:56.56 | alterego | Fast and nasty method (tm) |
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| 15:57.04 | rm_work | Psi: gotta love fast development! learn to enjoy getting features/bugfixes every couple of days :P |
| 15:57.24 | rm_work | when I was working actively on ABL, I was pushing a new version every day or two as well |
| 15:57.29 | rm_work | ah, those were the days... |
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| 16:19.51 | dashavoo | This is a bit of a premature question, as being as my phone is still broken, but anyone know of a way I can make it so that when I am sent a message from one number, pressing reply fills in another? |
| 16:20.48 | dashavoo | bah, my mind isn't picturing things properly (this happens when your N900 is broken for weeks) |
| 16:21.09 | dashavoo | basically, I don't want to have to switch conversations to reply to a different number |
| 16:22.15 | slonopotamus | that doesn't make sense |
| 16:22.16 | slonopotamus | you reply to sender |
| 16:23.14 | dashavoo | slonopotamus: my friend has two numbers. She texts me from her German number, because it is cheaper, and I reply to her UK number, because it is cheaper |
| 16:23.33 | dashavoo | but I often forget to switch conversations, and end up paying a stupid amount of money for an sms |
| 16:25.31 | slonopotamus | crazy world |
| 16:25.56 | ZogG | slonopotamus how is gentoo on n800? |
| 16:26.19 | slonopotamus | uses unlimited 3g for both him and his wife and texts via jabber with fixed monthly payment :P |
| 16:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if two numbers under one contact result in one conversation thread or two |
| 16:26.37 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: two |
| 16:26.38 | slonopotamus | dashavoo: i doubt you can do that, kinda exotic usecase |
| 16:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
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| 16:27.12 | dashavoo | slonopotamus: thought so... I might write a script to intercept the message and change the number or something... when my phone comes back |
| 16:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that's definitely a long blamed flaw in maemo contacts management that you don't know about which number it's been of those 3 that are stored to that particular contact |
| 16:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | actually the usecase you get called from mobile number of your friend but you want to call back on his homezone number isn't that unusual at all |
| 16:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | as it is now, you have to call back to see which number it's actually been that he used to call you |
| 16:29.57 | slonopotamus | ZogG: works for my needs, though with kinda slow graphics rendering. planning to try modern kernel this weekend. also, kde-4.6 should go stable soon, it has some new shiny tablet ui |
| 16:30.09 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: it is pretty silly |
| 16:30.17 | dashavoo | and frustrating :P |
| 16:30.21 | dashavoo | anyway, home time :) |
| 16:30.30 | dashavoo | BBQ this evening. Such lovely weather :) |
| 16:30.34 | dashavoo | have a good weekend everyone |
| 16:31.06 | ZogG | slonopotamus kde? srsly? maybe you should try unity or something? |
| 16:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a ticket for that and everybody hoped thy'd fix it in PR1.2 |
| 16:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | now we got PR1.3 and it's still broken |
| 16:32.13 | slonopotamus | ZogG: gtk apps have big troubles fitting into 480px-high screen |
| 16:32.30 | ZogG | slonopotamus and kde? |
| 16:33.11 | slonopotamus | i only found a couple of systemsettings tabs that didn't fit. |
| 16:33.14 | ZogG | slonopotamus and if you just use hildon ? and go with maemo original src of packages for ebuilds? |
| 16:33.46 | slonopotamus | ZogG: hildon learned to work with unpatched gtk? |
| 16:34.10 | slonopotamus | ZogG: haven't looked that way, actually |
| 16:34.22 | ZogG | you can use same paatches, why not? |
| 16:34.27 | slonopotamus | though i heard someone was writing ebuilds for hildon gui |
| 16:34.41 | ZogG | or you can use qildon or any hildon forks you can find |
| 16:34.41 | ZogG | though qildon is not finished as i know |
| 16:35.13 | ZogG | nice |
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| 16:36.17 | slonopotamus | wonders why ubuntu samba segfaults here and there (running visual studio on samba share) but gentoo doesn't. |
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| 16:38.19 | slonopotamus | ZogG: wrt unity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/UnityHardwareRequirements |
| 16:38.32 | slonopotamus | 1gb ram? are they kidding? |
| 16:39.24 | ZogG | http://gitorious.org/qildon |
| 16:39.25 | slonopotamus | also, according to that page, it has a strong dependency on opengl |
| 16:41.00 | slonopotamus | also, according to that page, arm is not supported |
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| 16:44.22 | ZogG | slonopotamus qildon? it was written for n900 i assume |
| 16:44.33 | ZogG | slonopotamus can you give me some screenies for gentoo-ru chan please =) |
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| 16:45.33 | slonopotamus | ZogG: later, no wifi here so can't upload from n800 |
| 16:46.23 | slonopotamus | ZogG: they'll just show kde running at 800x480 :) |
| 16:47.51 | ZogG | slonopotamus any drivers that don't work properly? |
| 16:48.05 | ZogG | as i saw sound problem is solved |
| 16:48.36 | slonopotamus | ZogG: i haven't tried camera. wifi, bluetooth, sound - everything works |
| 16:49.13 | ZogG | slonopotamus camera you can try with player just check if you have video0 device or something |
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| 16:54.14 | slonopotamus | funnily, qt raster is faster than xrender on n800 |
| 16:56.42 | slonopotamus | ZogG: yes, i have /dev/video0 |
| 16:57.17 | ZogG | slonopotamus than mplayer /dev/video0 |
| 16:57.38 | ZogG | mplayer -fps 15 tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0 |
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| 16:57.56 | ZogG | though i don't know if you have v4l2 in kernel |
| 16:59.04 | slonopotamus | ZogG: meh, no mplayer :) later. but i see no reasons why it shouldn't work |
| 16:59.28 | ArkanoiD- | scud batteries appear to be exactly that good. |
| 16:59.41 | ZogG | slonopotamus btw how is compiling thing? does it takes hours and is it slow? |
| 17:00.26 | slonopotamus | ZogG: i compile in qemu-user chroot on shiny new phenom x6 :) |
| 17:01.03 | slonopotamus | ZogG: on device itself - somewhat slow, yes. gcc builds in 12h |
| 17:01.35 | ZogG | дÑд |
| 17:01.37 | ZogG | lol |
| 17:02.07 | ZogG | so you build into packages? |
| 17:02.41 | slonopotamus | yep, build binpkgs in chroot and then install them on device |
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| 17:15.19 | mookie | hi folks, is something bad going to happen if I change the partition label of eMMC from Nokia N900 to n900? |
| 17:16.30 | jacekowski | no |
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| 17:22.26 | ZogG | mookie eveyone goona di |
| 17:22.44 | ZogG | die* |
| 17:23.15 | mookie | ZogG: i thought so |
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| 17:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: дÑд تربÙØ© اÙإب٠|
| 17:25.44 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer what? |
| 17:25.56 | ZogG | дÑд = lol |
| 17:25.59 | ZogG | other i don't get |
| 17:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | you don't want to know ;-P |
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| 17:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you're sick? no fighting, no "Doc, the evil German, wants to kill me"... |
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| 17:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'm worried |
| 17:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack ZogG |
| 17:43.58 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing ZogG |
| 17:44.55 | slonopotamus | :D |
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| 18:09.41 | pupnik | new client pulls 470 mA when running without sdl_delay() :D |
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| 18:10.10 | mookie | will, (parted) name 1 "n900" change partition label, or i should use mklabel msdos and if yes is data going to be usable? becouse of this http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_chapter/parted_toc.html#TOC16 |
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| 19:10.45 | inkbottle | I've been doing "ssh -X" on my n900; then I've launched mplayer from command line (on the distant pc); works fine but for one thing: I have no sound (just like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19063) |
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| 19:12.06 | inkbottle | from http://wiki.maemo.org/Remote_desktop, evrything should work seamlessly. So I don't see what i'm doing wrong |
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| 19:19.19 | ShadowJK | you don't get sound piped to n900 with just -X |
| 19:20.57 | pupnik | hee |
| 19:21.08 | pupnik | how much cpu does screen recorder use? |
| 19:21.19 | SpeedEvil | Quite a lot, if I recall right. |
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| 19:22.59 | inkbottle | ShadowJK: really, what should I do to get sound? |
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| 19:24.47 | inkbottle | ShadowJK: I'm reading about it, I was sure it should have worked :-) |
| 19:25.31 | mer_ge | I don't get a keyboard on graphical stuff when I do "ssh -X" from my N900. |
| 19:25.36 | mer_ge | I seem to have problems with locales |
| 19:25.49 | mer_ge | Does anyone have something to read about that? |
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| 19:34.46 | inkbottle | ShadowJK: thanks for your help, I'll try and see later how i can have sound too |
| 19:35.13 | mer_ge | in fact I get a keyboard in gedit for example because it falls back to a default locale. |
| 19:35.59 | mer_ge | But when I start nx-client from nomachine on the remote machine, I get: "Qt: Locales not supported on X server" |
| 19:39.58 | pupnik | anybody doing oprofile stuff on n900 |
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| 19:55.50 | alterego | I added debug traces to every function call in Columbus today. |
| 19:56.00 | alterego | And it's actually really good I did :D |
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| 19:57.53 | LuisCarlos | Hi everybody. I own a n900. One I changed a timer to avoid HAM to check for updates, however, I can not find that tutorial. |
| 19:57.57 | pupnik | bier her! bier her! oder ich fall um jocheh! |
| 19:58.39 | LuisCarlos | When I'm in 2.5G, it gets too slow, because HAM is looking for updates. |
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| 20:24.12 | tank-man | a good laugh -> http://blog.jitbit.com/2011/04/chinese-magic-drive.html |
| 20:24.27 | tank-man | a 500GB external usb drive that is really a usb stick |
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| 20:27.26 | phap | helooo |
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| 20:28.06 | tank-man | hi |
| 20:30.34 | phap | anyone want to tell me some good news? |
| 20:33.45 | kerio | phap: you're alive |
| 20:33.47 | kerio | probably |
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| 20:35.30 | phap | :-) thx |
| 20:36.09 | phap | I'm just reading the news... |
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| 21:18.29 | kwtm | Hi. I am about to reflash my N900's flash memory; then I want to install the gainroot package so I can activate USB networking and quickly re-transfer my backup back into flash memory (instead of having to do it wifi'ly). Where are the .deb packages stored, so I can copy the gainroot package (and others) to the uSD card and then copy it back after the flash? |
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| 21:19.41 | ShadowJK | The ones on N900 get deleted after install, I think |
| 21:20.23 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Hmm... are you there? If I want to reflash my 32GB flash mem so that only 4GB (or maybe even just 2GB) is the vfat ~/MyDocs , do I need to flash the ... what is it called, eeprom? The part with the actual Maemo OS? |
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| 21:20.36 | kwtm | ShadowJK: Ok, so I'd have to reinstall anyway. Okay. |
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| 21:21.23 | ShadowJK | The backup utility can save a list of installed apps, and reinstall them when you restore |
| 21:21.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 21:22.07 | kwtm | ShadowJK: I already have that with "dpkg --get-selections >FileList ; # reflash ; dpkg --set-selections <FileList". I just want to be able to do it more quickly than having to go over a wireless connection |
| 21:22.26 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Darn, I was hoping to avoid having to flash everything. Oh, well. |
| 21:23.02 | MohammadAG | fyi, maemo-list-user-packages | awk '{print $1}' | xargs |
| 21:26.28 | kwtm | Uh-oh. I already have the PR 1.2 flash images on my laptop, but I can't remember if they are the latest PR 1.2. When did the latest come out, please? I am afraid that if I just say as root "apt-get upgrade" (or apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever), it will upgrade to PR 1.3 which I want to avoid for now. If I got my around early July 2010, are those the latest? |
| 21:27.50 | MohammadAG | why avoid 1.3? |
| 21:28.46 | ShadowJK | July 2010 is before 1.3 |
| 21:28.50 | ShadowJK | probably 1.2 |
| 21:30.14 | kwtm | MohammadAG: I have been using 1.2 up till now, and it works. So till now there was no reason to upgrade. Now I should avoid so that if I get any errors, I know it's not related to PR 1.3. (Especially since I've been told that using shell scripting is "unsupported" and I'm responsible for anything weird that happens.) |
| 21:30.49 | kwtm | ShadowJK: Oh, I know it's 1.2, but do you recall if it was the newest 1.2? Or should I go look for the latest 1.2 firmware image? I can't remember the nokia website for that.... |
| 21:31.04 | ShadowJK | tablets-dev.nokia.com probably |
| 21:31.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's only one 1.2 |
| 21:32.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | and you won't be able to install a lot of testing and devel repo based apps on a fresh 1.2 flash |
| 21:32.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | restore = install |
| 21:32.44 | MohammadAG | hail Qt ABI break |
| 21:34.29 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: When you say "you won't be able to install a lot of testing and devel repo based apps on a fresh 1.2 flash" does that also apply to an old 1.2 flash, too? Ie. if I have it currently running on my 1.2 N900, does it mean it will install ok? Or for some reason it won't work even though it works ok now (say, because the PR1.2 version is no longer available in the repos and I must install the PR 1.3 packages)? |
| 21:35.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes exactly that |
| 21:35.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | a lot of packages in devel got updated to a version incompatible with 1.2 |
| 21:36.16 | MohammadAG | mostly Qt apps |
| 21:36.25 | kwtm | Oh dear. Ok, I guess I'm being forced into PR 1.3. Better to download a PR 1.3 firmware, or just reflash my old image and then do the OTA update? |
| 21:36.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | flash, much faster |
| 21:37.00 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Oh, the devel packages? Oh, well, that's fine. I've hardly installed any devel packages, and any that I did install were in the past month, so I know they work with 1.2 unless something's changed in the past month. |
| 21:37.25 | kwtm | Well, I guess now's the time to go to PR 1.3, and if it fails I can still fall back onto PR 1.2 |
| 21:37.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno |
| 21:37.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | check HAM update |
| 21:37.59 | kwtm | Unfortunately, I need to get my IMEI number to get Nokia's firmware image ... which means taking off my Impregnable Otter Case ... which is so impregnable that it takes me half an hour to pry it off... :P |
| 21:38.16 | MohammadAG | or *#06# |
| 21:38.23 | MohammadAG | or Settings - About product |
| 21:38.49 | MohammadAG | or dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei | grep string | cut -f 2 -d '"' |
| 21:38.55 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Oh. Yeah, that might be a good idea ... :P |
| 21:42.01 | alterego | Two more features to implement for my next release of Columbus. |
| 21:42.10 | alterego | Then an RC1 |
| 21:42.24 | alterego | And hopefully I can finally get it out of the freakin' barn :) |
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| 21:42.35 | kwtm | What's the difference between the Global firmware and the USA / UK / whatever region firmware? |
| 21:42.51 | MohammadAG | get global |
| 21:42.54 | alterego | kwtm: the image size |
| 21:43.01 | MohammadAG | not much difference, except for strings |
| 21:43.05 | alterego | I don't know if anyone has bothered doing a diff tbh |
| 21:43.06 | MohammadAG | and some language packages |
| 21:43.20 | alterego | I think some stop fmtx? |
| 21:43.27 | MohammadAG | no |
| 21:43.39 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Ok, so more language support l10n or something? |
| 21:43.47 | MohammadAG | they all do if the region in CAL is one that doesn't support it |
| 21:43.51 | MohammadAG | no |
| 21:43.52 | alterego | I though china doesn't have fmtx |
| 21:44.01 | alterego | Oh right |
| 21:44.03 | MohammadAG | global language packages have the suffix -mr0 |
| 21:44.12 | MohammadAG | it's disabled in software, twice |
| 21:44.17 | kwtm | alterego: Ahhh... fmtx is a separate thing --for some reason the FM transmitter widget keeps complaining that "USB device is connected" (it's not) but I'll leave that for another time. |
| 21:44.48 | alterego | complains about usb? haha |
| 21:45.01 | MohammadAG | alterego, though indian sw lacks skype afaik |
| 21:45.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:45.32 | alterego | I thought skype was a seperate download, but I guess it isn't |
| 21:45.57 | MohammadAG | it's built in |
| 21:48.07 | kwtm | So, just to be absolutely sure (I don't want to mess this up), the "firmware" image (containing Maemo) is also known as the "FIASCO" image; and the "eMMC" image (which contains ~/MyDocs etc.) is what "vanilla" refers to? And the "eMMC" and "firmware" are the two things I need to flash, and in that order? |
| 21:48.42 | alterego | kwtm, read the wiki page :P |
| 21:48.51 | alterego | ~flashing |
| 21:48.51 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:48.57 | kwtm | alterego: I did. I want a live person to confirm this because I don't want to mess this up. |
| 21:49.15 | alterego | Well doesn't matter if you do. |
| 21:49.22 | alterego | You can always do it again :P |
| 21:49.32 | kwtm | alterego: Yeah, that's what they said the first seven times. |
| 21:49.41 | alterego | And we all say follow the wiki :P |
| 21:50.07 | kwtm | alterego: Well, the wiki does not confirm that "FIASCO" is same as "firmware", for starters. |
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| 21:50.32 | kwtm | The wiki has been written by people who are familiar with the topic and don't realize they are using terms that may be confusing to the newcomer. |
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| 21:51.26 | alterego | Admittedly the wiki should really contain the full filenames |
| 21:52.23 | nid0 | it does |
| 21:52.24 | nid0 | a n |
| 21:52.36 | kwtm | I remember there was something that tripped me up the first time I did this last year. It took me forever to confirm that two different names were referring to the same thing. What *does* FIASCO stand for, anyway? |
| 21:52.43 | nid0 | and the like 3rd sentence in the n900 section says that the FIASCO image is the rootfs |
| 21:53.02 | kwtm | ANd what is "vanilla" eMMC? Is there any other type? I haven't seen any reference to anything else. |
| 21:53.10 | alterego | Well, FIASCO is actually the file format for the images you flash, which is both images are FIASCO images. |
| 21:53.54 | kwtm | alterego: So, from what you're saying, it's actually *wrong* to say "Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image" as it says in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php because *both* are FIASCO images? |
| 21:54.20 | kwtm | And you're saying, "Just go read the wiki which will answer all your questions"? |
| 21:54.23 | nid0 | general accepted usage is that FIASCO = rootfs, as stated in the wiki |
| 21:54.32 | kwtm | nid0: Where in the wiki does it say that? |
| 21:54.36 | alterego | Yeah, I'm just being pedantic |
| 21:54.42 | alterego | EMMC is mydocs |
| 21:54.46 | nid0 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900 |
| 21:54.50 | nid0 | 3 lines down |
| 21:54.51 | alterego | And COMBINED is rootfs |
| 21:54.57 | nid0 | â¢(flashing the) FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs" though this file and flashing process also consists of / affects NOLO bootloader (the several stages), the kernel, and usually the GSM modem firmware, in addition to the root filesystem which is basically the content of your 240 MB NAND flash storage and implements the Linux operating system. |
| 21:55.00 | kwtm | nid0: And why would it be generally accepted usage for something that's ambiguous? How hard would it be to do %s/FIASCO/firmware/g ? |
| 21:55.35 | kwtm | nid0: So the FIASCO is actually the combined firmware and eMMC image, then? |
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| 21:56.06 | nid0 | eh? no |
| 21:56.18 | kwtm | So the NAND storage is the faster memory in which the kernel operates, and "flash" memory is the 32GB slower memory used as a RAMdisk (even though both types of memories are "flash"ed) |
| 21:56.40 | kwtm | Why is it called "combined" then? |
| 21:57.04 | alterego | Because it's kernel+rootfs+cal+cellmofirmware+bootloader |
| 21:58.32 | kwtm | alterego: Ahh... so kernel+rootfs+cal+cellmofirmware+bootloader all belong on one type of memory --and, more importantly, this is *all* that belongs on this memory (nothing else)? And the eMMC is a different type of memory, flashed by a different image file? |
| 21:59.12 | alterego | kwtm: no, because the firmware is actually _inside_ the cellular modem :) |
| 21:59.18 | alterego | So it's not just the nand flash :) |
| 21:59.58 | alterego | It's a combination of the rootfs nand flash, which also houses the kernel and the bootloader, as well as firmware for the cellular modem which is actually _inside_ the modem chip and seperate. |
| 22:00.50 | ShadowJK | Anyway, the wiki is hard to follow even for someone familiar with the terminology like me |
| 22:01.00 | kwtm | When you say "the cellular modem", this is referring to hardware or software? When I transfer ("flash") the file named RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin into my N900, what do you call the place where that file goes? Is it "rootfs nand flash and cellular modem" --ie. two different hardware devices/memory chips? |
| 22:01.13 | kwtm | ShadowJK: Thank you for the support. |
| 22:01.20 | alterego | Yeah, to be honest I don't find it too easy to follow :D |
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| 22:02.19 | alterego | kwtm: it's a combination of different bits for different areas. Most goes into the NAND, like I said, the bootload, kernel and rootfs are all in the nand. Then you've got CAL which is in a different memory unit (I think) and the cellular firmware is a memory unit inside the cellular modem chip. |
| 22:02.24 | ShadowJK | kwtm, "kernel + rootfs + call + bootloader" is one physical chip. Cellular firmware is another chip. The modem actually consists of many chips, it has its own ARM9 CPU, its own RAM and its own flash chip. |
| 22:02.25 | alterego | So no, not all one area. |
| 22:02.29 | alterego | Where as the eMMC is all one area. |
| 22:02.50 | alterego | And the GPS too :) |
| 22:03.20 | kwtm | ShadowJK: Interesting ... so when I flash, the N900 will sort out which part of the image goes where? That's surprisingly sophisticated. Been a while since I've done electrical engineering, I suppose. |
| 22:03.48 | alterego | kwtm: actually the flasher program does that. |
| 22:03.52 | alterego | kwtm: not the N900 |
| 22:04.14 | kwtm | alterego: I see. |
| 22:04.38 | alterego | kwtm: and I guess it's a mixture of protocols, I think the flashing of the cellmo is done via a psuedo TTY serial communication, with a specific set of strange command incantations that says "Put me into firmware upload mode" |
| 22:04.53 | alterego | The cellmo is practically a stand alone computer with memory, processor and operating system. |
| 22:05.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope, at least hajf of it is done by NOLO |
| 22:05.24 | kwtm | Btw, just to make sure I'm doing this for the right reason: /home is of filetype ext3 and contains symlinks and perms and all that good stuff right? Otherwise there's no point me shrinking the vfat ~/MyDocs to make the rest of ~/ bigger. |
| 22:05.25 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: oh yeah, sure NOLO handles comms routing and flashing of NAND and eMMC |
| 22:05.50 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: undeclared synonym alert: is "NOLO" the same as the flasher program? |
| 22:06.03 | ShadowJK | kwtm, boot loader |
| 22:06.05 | alterego | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.32 | alterego | NOkia LOader :) |
| 22:06.41 | kwtm | alterego: Excellent. Bring on 28G of that ext3 goodness! |
| 22:07.11 | ShadowJK | The first thing that runs when the main CPU of the N900 starts up. It handles and receives the communication from the flasher utility on a PC. If the user isn't trying to flash, it prepares the hardware for booting, checks that there's vaguely enough battery power, and then loads the linux kernel |
| 22:07.13 | kwtm | alterego: I figured that was what NOLO stood for but I didn't know if it was the loader for booting up, or for "loading" the flash image from laptop onto N900, etc. |
| 22:07.20 | kwtm | Yay, download done! Here we go. |
| 22:07.26 | alterego | kwtm: both ;) |
| 22:07.41 | kwtm | for all I know, NOLO is "NOt a LOader" or something.... |
| 22:07.49 | alterego | NOLO is the bootload, but obviously when the system is "booting" it can go into flashing mode with the USB connected and the flasher app running on a host. |
| 22:08.41 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: So, where your web page says sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin that's actually modifying a *binary* image file, right? I mean, what if the sequence "2048" occurs elsewhere in the file? |
| 22:09.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | it doesnt |
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| 22:10.14 | alterego | Turned GEdit into my own sexy Qml development environment |
| 22:10.23 | kwtm | Okay. But ... umm, if I'm only modifying the eMMC file , why do I have to reflash the FIASCO combined image, too? |
| 22:10.25 | GAN900 | How can a website for 140 character posts of BS be so insanely bloated. |
| 22:10.33 | alterego | Well, I just made CTRL+F5 execute qmlviewer -opengl main.qml in the directory of the document you're editing .. |
| 22:10.41 | kwtm | GAN900: It's how they make their money. Ads, man, ads! |
| 22:10.50 | GAN900 | Somebody needs to administer beatings to these web developers. |
| 22:11.03 | GAN900 | kwtm, worse still is all of the "functionality". |
| 22:11.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | kwtm: /opt erasure |
| 22:12.19 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Ohhh... right, if/when I flash both, the FIASCO comes *after* the eMMC and that's what sets the eMMC right again. Ok |
| 22:12.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | you *could* save and then restore whole /home |
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| 22:12.59 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: That's what I did. That's why I was asking how to rsync back onto ~/ over the USB connection. Faster than wifi. I make daily backups of ~/. |
| 22:14.39 | kwtm | Anyone know any problem with shrinking the vfat ~/MyDocs to only 2G? My camera/video photos go onto uSD card (16GB). |
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| 22:20.09 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: Just re-read your comment. I think you were referring to /home including /home/opt and I thought you meant ~/ meaning /home/user. No, I haven't backed up /home/opt. |
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| 22:27.52 | pupnik | the blue on the n900 display is so deep and rich |
| 22:27.58 | pupnik | it's different than my laptop |
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| 22:31.13 | ShadowJK | i think it was nicer on n810 |
| 22:32.09 | ShadowJK | n900 is kinda cold |
| 22:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: speedevil is happy with 2GB afaik |
| 22:35.46 | SpeedEvil | forgets the context. |
| 22:35.54 | SpeedEvil | may nothave enough RAM. |
| 22:35.59 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: It says Invalid FIASCO subimage id (00) |
| 22:36.02 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
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| 22:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 22:36.10 | SpeedEvil | I shrunk mydocs to 4G |
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| 22:36.35 | SpeedEvil | I just did it hackily. |
| 22:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: you need to patch vanilla, not combined |
| 22:37.17 | kwtm | Well the full 3 lines are : Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB \n Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA \n Invalid FIASCO subimage id (00) |
| 22:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 22:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | strange, others reported it worked for them |
| 22:38.01 | SpeedEvil | I mounted mydocs RO, tarred all the contents to /home. unmounted mydocs, fdisked to delete mydocs. created a 4G partition, with the rest as another partition. untarred mydocs as vfat onto the 2G partition withthe original partition number. |
| 22:38.10 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Aha, you thought when it said "FIASCO" it referred to the combined, didn't you? Hence the danger in calling something by an invalid name ("FIASCO" != combined) ... anyway, this seems to refer to the vanilla image. I did rename the vanilla file. Do you think I have to preserve the filename? |
| 22:38.21 | SpeedEvil | then made the other one ext3. |
| 22:38.24 | SpeedEvil | 'just works' |
| 22:38.35 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Another possibility is: I changed 2048 to 30720 --do you think the extra character made the file one byte longer and invalidated it? |
| 22:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | (preserve name) no |
| 22:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:39.32 | kwtm | so I am limited to 9999 MB, then, (isn't that less than 10 GB?) and can't use 30 GB. |
| 22:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you use a hexeditor and search for the 2048 |
| 22:40.06 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I can search with hex, but can I change it to 30720 which is 5 characters? |
| 22:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | it's a rather plantext scripty part |
| 22:40.31 | kwtm | Will try it. I'm just reading over what SpeedEvil said and thinking whether that would be a better way. |
| 22:40.41 | DocScrutinizer | sure, just make sure you use some common sense when editing |
| 22:41.15 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Oh, you mean fiddle with the plaintexty scripty part to somehow lose the extra character and preserve the filesize? |
| 22:42.17 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: So did you create a new ext3 partition that was mounted in a subdir of home? Or did you actually increase the size of the /home partition? |
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| 22:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 22:43.53 | kwtm | WTF??? My patched eMMC image file is 28 bytes larger in size. DocScrutinizer, you sure "2048" only occurs once in the entire file? |
| 22:44.00 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: yes |
| 22:44.13 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: I mouint it in /home/user/datra |
| 22:44.19 | SpeedEvil | Without the typo. |
| 22:45.00 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: I guess the disadvantage is that you won't have more space for /home/opt ... unless you symlink it to /home/user/data |
| 22:45.21 | kwtm | great, my KDE hex editor froze. Go, KDE4! |
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| 22:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: sorry, there are actually a lot of 2048 |
| 22:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | but probably only one: |
| 22:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | ,768,S |
| 22:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | ,2048,L |
| 22:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | ,,b |
| 22:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | ps: I used less to spot that |
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| 22:55.12 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I don't know whether to strangle you or thank you for taking the time to check now (better now than never). My hex editor found, at offset 0xD1, 'partition {size = 2048; fstype = "ext3" ; prefix = "home" }' You think that's the one, or is it ',2048,L'? |
| 22:55.22 | LuisCarlos | Hi. Does anyone knnow where to change the amount of seconds HAM looks for updates? |
| 22:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | DAMN! RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks quite a bit different |
| 22:55.43 | LuisCarlos | I've got an n900 |
| 22:56.12 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Do you have the eMMC image file where s/2048/30720/ worked, and see what the few lines before/after looked like? |
| 22:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | my ,2048,L was from RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 22:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | LA^@3362mmc { |
| 22:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.44 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, sorry |
| 22:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, that's it |
| 22:57.49 | Sc0rpius | what happened with the old pastie.org pastebin etc |
| 22:57.51 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:57.52 | Sc0rpius | :P |
| 22:58.01 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I think that's the one that I found, then. Is that text anywhere near the beginning, offset 0xD1 or so? |
| 22:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | accident |
| 22:58.14 | kwtm | Sc0rpius: I'm sure he didn't mean to do it. |
| 22:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:58.21 | Sc0rpius | I know I know :P |
| 22:58.58 | kwtm | Ok. I think we should maybe modify the sed s/2048/$BIGNUMBER/ to quit after the first occurrence (not sure how to do it with sed; I know how to do it with awk). |
| 22:59.16 | kwtm | Anyway, now trying to convince my KDE hex editor to behave like a real KDE program. :( |
| 22:59.40 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: yes |
| 23:00.17 | kwtm | There's a space before 2048, so I think it should work that we do / 2048/30720/ to preserve the file length. |
| 23:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | I think we should modify it to s/ size = 2048/ size = ?????/ |
| 23:00.34 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Ah, even better idea. Yes, we should do it that way. |
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| 23:07.26 | kwtm | Ok, in case you were interested: I did try s/size = 2048/size = 30720/ which makes the file longer by 1 char. It said: Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB \n Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA \n FIASCO subimage data length mismatch. So it does check the length. Now trying modification without changing length. |
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| 23:09.33 | kwtm | Now flashing ... it says "erasing CMT". WHat is CMT? Cellular Modem thingy? |
| 23:09.40 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 23:14.23 | kwtm | Okay, so as I said, it proceeded to the "Erasing CMT" part which it hadn't before, so there has been progress made. BUt now it says "SU_PREPARE_DATA_BLOCK_REQ terminated with error code 3." (this is after "Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002") So it looks like it was putting the "combined" image on and found some error ... I don't even know if it's a real error or some warning. |
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| 23:14.58 | kwtm | Nope, the N900 is non-responsive. |
| 23:15.31 | kwtm | Any ideas? If no, I'm going to try reflashing with PR 1.2 instead of PR 1.3 |
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| 23:17.39 | kwtm | Ok, guys, the N900 is not responding to plugging/unplugging USB, keypresses, or the power button in attempts to reflash those images. |
| 23:20.12 | kwtm | man, this channel is strangely silent now that something's gone wrong, compared to when someone said, "just read the wiki. We're all telling you to read the wiki." |
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| 23:21.01 | kwtm | because it's midnight in Europe, right? |
| 23:21.10 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 23:22.05 | Venemo | kwtm, it's 01:22 AM in EU |
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| 23:22.21 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not. |
| 23:22.32 | SpeedEvil | Well, it is, but not only. |
| 23:22.37 | SpeedEvil | It's also 0:22 |
| 23:27.04 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, did you know how fun C++0x is? |
| 23:30.15 | tripzero | heaps-o-fun? |
| 23:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: flashing CMT is a COMBINED thing, unrelated to VANILLA |
| 23:31.07 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Well, I guess the question now is: why am I not able to flash? |
| 23:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: but I think 30720 is definitely too keen |
| 23:32.02 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: So you think it might just be a matter of extent, and maybe 28G would be ok? |
| 23:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | I guess the flashing CMT does some storing of the cellmo FW to eMMC prior to flashing it to modem from there |
| 23:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | 28 should be ok |
| 23:33.21 | kwtm | Ahhh... wow, this is more complex than I thought. Ok, will try 28. That would make sense of the error msg. |
| 23:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: nope |
| 23:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: flasing the safe way (start flasher, plug in N900, insert battery while holding 'u') should still work |
| 23:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | unless some bad luck caused NOLO getting damaged, which would need a coldflashing procedure (slightly more complex than usual flashing) |
| 23:38.08 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Hmm... it takes quite a bit of acrobatics to insert battery while holding 'u' so I'm inserting the battery (device off) and then holding 'u' while plugging in USB. |
| 23:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but make sure it doesn't start up on inserting bat. Sometimes it does that |
| 23:39.03 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, lambda functions are fun |
| 23:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | aah, I know those from errr Python? |
| 23:39.57 | kwtm | Hmm, after flashing the eMMC, now it says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. even though the Nokia is plugged into USB and in fact already flashed partway this way. |
| 23:40.03 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I dunno noting about Python |
| 23:40.06 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B0x#Lambda_functions_and_expressions |
| 23:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: after flashing VANILLA you need to shutdown the device by removing bat |
| 23:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | bug in NOLO |
| 23:41.23 | kwtm | wtf? I think I may have contributed to my problem --I'm supposed to flash eMMC first and then combined, right? |
| 23:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 23:41.47 | kwtm | Why did I reverse the order in my script that I wrote last year? I already knew this last year. Strange ... I just never double-checked... |
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| 23:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's irrelevant as long as you don't start the linux kernel in between flashes |
| 23:42.36 | kwtm | No? It says ... oh. Ok. So my script was right. |
| 23:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | and actually flashing COMBINED last is more safe, except it has that nasty NOLO bug |
| 23:43.55 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Okay, so you're saying that although it shouldn't matter which order I flash it in, it's better to have eMMC first, and combined last (as long as I then remove the battery and reinsert after flashing combined). |
| 23:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | as you may flash COMBINED any time, you of course also may flash it after VANILLA |
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| 23:44.38 | kwtm | Well, right now it's not flashing vanilla. It says no USB device, and the USB cable is plugged right in. |
| 23:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, you'll need a bat inserted to flash COMBINED ;-D |
| 23:44.57 | kwtm | Can I unplug and then replug or will it try to do nasty stuff like boot up again? |
| 23:45.13 | kwtm | I *did* flash combined ... |
| 23:45.29 | kwtm | I'm waiting for it to flash eMMC. Remove the battery again? |
| 23:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | remove and insert bat, flash VANILLA, remove and insert bat, flash COMBINED |
| 23:46.56 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: That's what I was saying, flash Vanilla first, and you said it didn't matter. Ok, so now I will go trying again with flashing Vanilla first. |
| 23:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | make sure the device is powered down and hold 'u' while plugging in |
| 23:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-04-09 01:42:50] <DocScrutinizer> and actually flashing COMBINED last is more safe, except it has that nasty NOLO bug |
| 23:50.10 | kwtm | [16:43] <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Okay, so you're saying that although it shouldn't matter which order I flash it in, it's better to have eMMC first, and combined last |
| 23:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: my [2011-04-09 01:41:45] <DocScrutinizer> no << was ambiguous |
| 23:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 23:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: and yes, that's what I was saying |
| 23:52.46 | kwtm | Ok, so now I started over again, removed batt, reinserted (device did not start up by itself), I hold 'u' down and plug in USB. Then it says "USB device found found at bus 001, device address 028. Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 NOLO version 1.4.14 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002 Booting device into flash mode. " |
| 23:53.02 | kwtm | Then it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting. " so it's not flashing. |
| 23:53.15 | kwtm | So it's not flashing the eMMC at all. |
| 23:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | that's a problem of cable or PC |
| 23:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | or battery of N900 getting weak |
| 23:54.11 | kwtm | No, because the first time it said "suitable USB device not found/waiting", when I plugged it in, it did give the few lines I gave above. But then it stopped again with USB device not found. Also, I was able to flash firmware. |
| 23:54.21 | kwtm | battery was full an hour ago. |
| 23:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | reboot your PC |
| 23:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | or make sure there's no cdc_ether and cdc_lokia module loaded (or was it g_* ?) |
| 23:58.24 | kwtm | Ok, the "safe way to flash" that you mentioned (batt out, start flasher program, plug in USB, hold down u key, insert battery) does not work and the flasher program does not even detect the USB connection the first time (as opposed to detecting it, spitting out a few lines of output and then hanging at a second "waiting for USB"-type message). |
| 23:59.17 | kwtm | What does the cdc_ether and cdc_lokia do? I can just rmmod it? |
