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02:56.16GeneralAntilleswishes you could Thank! mailing list posts. http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-April/003847.html
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03:01.46RST38hGAN: Just move. =)
03:02.55GAN900RST38h, had a high of 79°F today and I wasn't filmed by any government cameras on my way to work.
03:03.05GAN900Also: no state income tax.
03:03.17GAN900I'll stay, thanks. :P
03:04.08RST38h80oF here as well. Sucks.
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06:27.51mece\o
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06:52.04mecealterego, man, there's no way in hell you can live up to this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=980953&postcount=84
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07:20.01crashanddie_Guest1766, enough with the stupid namechanging
07:20.46chxcrashanddie_: that's the client + nickserv
07:21.03crashanddie_chx, like I care?
07:21.05chxcrashanddie_: the client tries to assume knightstalker it's a protected nick so nickserv kicks back to guest*
07:21.36chxcrashanddie_: i have seen stupid enough clients getting into an infinite loop over it ....
07:21.50crashanddie_thanks, and now he can fix it
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07:26.07timeless_w7ipchx: i'm with crashanddie_ on this
07:26.24timeless_w7ipthe user should get a new nick or be banned
07:27.00crashanddie_GET THE TAR AND FEATHERS!!!
07:27.11timeless_w7ipoffers feathers
07:27.22timeless_w7ipBYOT (bring your own tar)
07:27.37timeless_w7ipyou have the choice of gnu tar or bsd tar :)
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07:28.41timeless_w7ipyou could try busybox tar, but it may be incompatible w/ my feathers :)
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07:39.38MohammadAGcrashanddie_, you seem to know shit about iOS, can baseband 3.10.01 be unlocked?
07:40.01crashanddie_baseband wut modafuka?
07:40.20MohammadAGiPhone 4 modem baseband :P
07:40.56crashanddie_No idea
07:41.07crashanddie_Funky http://jtnimoy.net.nyud.net/workviewer.php?q=178
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08:12.29drackhello
08:12.29zalebHay drack leuk dat je wat zegt
08:12.40drackimenglish
08:12.46drackenglish
08:12.52ruskiehehe
08:13.23drackhi im wondering how i backup the rom
08:13.45drackdo i use the backup restore settingin settings?
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08:14.10pupnikopen browser, tap screen, wait two days.... food arrives!!!  http://i.imgur.com/hSeNz.jpg  :D
08:14.17pupnikdelivered right to my doorstep! :)
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08:20.51ruskielazy much
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08:23.42drackhello ruskie can you help me?
08:23.58ruskienot really
08:24.21DocScrutinizermoo
08:24.50drackDoc can you help?
08:24.56DocScrutinizerwhat?
08:25.10drackhi im wondering how i backup the rom
08:25.20drackdo i use the backup restore settingin settings?
08:25.24DocScrutinizerthere's no rom
08:25.48DocScrutinizerbackup/restore app is what you need
08:26.06DocScrutinizersee
08:26.09DocScrutinizer~flash
08:26.09infobotflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
08:26.14drackwhat if i want to restore to  default kernel
08:26.24DocScrutinizer~flash
08:26.24infobotwell, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
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08:47.34drackmy n900 is unlocked . what will affect its unlockedness?
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08:47.48chem|stcrashanddie_: getting worse with people like nuknuk being awake again
08:48.06chem|stdrack: what do you mean by unlocked?
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08:49.07chem|stautolock, security lock, screen & kbd lock....
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08:56.30drackkits unlocked so i can use any carrier
08:56.39drackk?
08:56.46drackkhello?
08:56.47chem|stdrackk: wont lock itself in a mysterious way will it?
08:56.58chem|stpatience little padawan
08:57.56drackkno i mean if i restore the firmware will it?
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08:58.31DocScrutinizerno
08:58.39crashanddie_drackk, why would it?
08:58.58drackkif i change the kernel will it?
08:59.02crashanddie_no
08:59.03DocScrutinizerNO
08:59.12drackkok cool
08:59.13chem|stdrackk: why should it? and you do not restore the firmware like in "restore back to what was on a locked device" you will flash a normal new untouched firmware to it and you are good
08:59.26chem|st(no carrier ever touched)
08:59.44DocScrutinizerexcept for UK ;-P
08:59.54MohammadAGit's not an iPhone
08:59.59drackkoh
09:00.01Treibholzis testing Nitdroid...
09:00.04Treibholzhi chem|st
09:00.04MohammadAG:P
09:00.09chem|sthi Treibholz
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09:00.39chem|stTreibholz: you are trying the bright side?
09:00.51DocScrutinizer*burrp*
09:01.07chem|stTreibholz: stay with us in the dark, we have cookies and can make phonecalls^^
09:01.17DocScrutinizerhehe
09:01.22TreibholzAndroid is running better on the n900 than Meego... Thats so embarrassing...
09:01.38Treibholzchem|st: I hate phonecalls! :-)
09:01.57DocScrutinizerdon't buy tincans!
09:02.24chem|stor even reep-cord
09:02.27MohammadAGfor (int x = 0; x < ui->playlistList->count(); x++) <-- that should iterate over all items right?
09:03.11DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: very poor coding I'd guess
09:03.42MohammadAGerr, how?
09:03.54DocScrutinizerplaylist->count might be *heavy*, and gets executed for each iteration aiui
09:04.04MohammadAGit isn't heavy
09:04.11DocScrutinizeryou dunno
09:04.17MohammadAGactually, I do know :p
09:04.24DocScrutinizerok
09:04.25drackkhttp://nokian900.tv/backup-and-restore-on-n900
09:04.36drackkis this like flashing?
09:05.40chem|stno that ti backup and restore
09:06.14drackkoh like just files
09:06.17chem|stdrackk: we try to keep it simple! what is your problem?
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09:06.36chem|stdrackk: you tell me your problem and I help you get rid of it, deal?
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09:06.45DocScrutinizerhehe
09:07.18chem|stdrackk: that way we keep out silly questions and you googling BS out of the internets
09:07.47MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, time in milliseconds to get the count of all items in a 700-item list, 0ms
09:07.52DocScrutinizerchem|st: why aren't you on access list?
09:07.59chem|stall you need is written down in the wiki (even typos get updated there^^)
09:08.09chem|stDocScrutinizer: I have no idea
09:08.30DocScrutinizerX-Fade: I suggest an addition to access list
09:08.33drackkno problem    i just want to be sure i know how to restore to default kernel if i messup putting on a different kernel like for wl1251 bleeding edge wifi
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09:08.57MohammadAGI'm guessing the confusion is from iPhone terms
09:09.07chem|stDocScrutinizer: never asked for it as always some "rather" good people are around...
09:09.10MohammadAG"Restore" means reflash back to factory settings
09:09.28MohammadAG(in iTunes that is)
09:09.37DocScrutinizerwe're running short on 'good peaople' always being around
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09:10.59DocScrutinizerdrackk: please read complete "updating the firmware" wikipage
09:11.04DocScrutinizer~flash
09:11.04infobotflashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
09:11.07chem|stin iFsckYou world this means you get imprisoned again, in maemo world this might fix a briked device or borked settings but wont lock the front door
09:11.51chem|stDocScrutinizer: t.m.o is running short on good people... but in here? there is always one of I guess us 4 I can tell
09:12.39DocScrutinizertmo always been short on admins who care
09:12.48DocScrutinizeryou'd need like 500
09:12.59pupniktmo has an ignore feature, but it is hard to find
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09:13.04pupnikit should be right next to every post
09:13.50DocScrutinizerhere I see chanops vanish, like stskeeps, GeneralAntilles is a rare visitor, crashanddie_ as well..., even x-fade is hard to find
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09:14.19pupnikMohammadAG: it's not a good way to code a for loop.  If your count is invariant for the duration of the loop, store it in a variable first.
09:14.47pupnikin fact i thought for loops required the parameters to be invariant
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09:15.14chem|stpupnik: it does not help me moderate when I ignore dumb people
09:15.18pupnikMohammadAG: if you want to test for a value that can change at any time,  a "while" loop is the right way
09:15.31pupnikchem|st: i didn't realize you were a moderator
09:15.50chem|stsupermod actualy, makes it even worse
09:16.09pupnikwhat does that job pay?
09:16.15Termanalol
09:16.20chem|stlol
09:16.52chem|stpays off with less sleep and more coffee in my vains
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09:17.17pupnikyou don't actually have to *read* t.m.o. do you?  just respond to complaints?
09:18.47chem|stsometimes you have to read the bs to understand what is going on, then you start of to go on single users and pick off their last 18 posts then you recognize that they where covered by another 25 by other ppl
09:18.51chem|stand so on
09:19.14chem|stand yesterday I couldn't hold myself and started giving infractions
09:19.39chem|stfirst response was a "thank you, moderation is needed here, keep up the good work"
09:20.56pupnikhmm
09:21.20chem|stit is sad to see that noone is ever interested in cleaning it up
09:21.36chem|stthere is so much noise
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09:22.24chem|stmy requests for access to the brainstorm backend never proceeded further than me writing it
09:22.28drackkwhat do i use to reflash       the usb cable?
09:22.36chem|stdrackk: yes
09:22.40drackksweet
09:22.55chem|stdrackk: read the damn wiki page as DocScrutinizer told you!
09:23.02drackkiam
09:23.06chem|stgood!
09:23.14chem|stsorry bit tempered today
09:23.27drackkits cool
09:23.35chem|stless sleep more coffee is not a solution
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09:26.17chem|stDocScrutinizer: your tmo nick is joerg_rw?!
09:26.27DocScrutinizerrrright
09:26.35DocScrutinizerwhy?
09:27.06chem|stswitches on the recorder
09:27.23DocScrutinizerI earned a ban? please pretty please ban me from tmo :-P
09:27.30chem|st*klick* and you want to be a supermod and are aware of email floods?
09:27.45DocScrutinizer+cough*
09:28.00DocScrutinizerI never touch tmo
09:28.01chem|stI take that as a yes, rrrright?
09:28.14DocScrutinizervirtually never
09:28.17pupnikchem|st: the best way to clean up t.m.o is allow users to ignore all posts by certain people more easily
09:28.21chem|stswitches off the recorder
09:28.25chem|stdamn
09:28.36chem|stpupnik: no it is not
09:28.59alteregomece: :D
09:29.04alteregoForgot I said that
09:29.14chem|stthe best way is to have some "good" people who read it anyways moderate subsections
09:29.21pupnikwhat does moderate mean?
09:29.33pupnikyou can't moderate a stupid person
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09:29.39pupnikthey will make stupid comments, always
09:29.46chem|stdelete/edit/ban/move
09:29.56MohammadAGHIM: x11FilterEvent( _HILDON_IM_SURROUNDING_CONTENT ) is not supported  <-- wtf
09:30.03pupniksurely you don't think that this is a good idea
09:30.05DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG :-)
09:30.12chem|stpupnik: moderators arent seen as you did not know I am supermod...
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09:30.26MohammadAGyeah, I vote for DocScrutinizer to become a mod
09:30.32MohammadAG(that was the question right? :P)
09:30.33DocScrutinizerFSCK
09:30.39chem|stMohammadAG: yes!
09:31.04pupnikchem|st: the answer is to give me, as a t.m.o. user the ability to ignore stupid people
09:31.10pupnikyou can not fix stupid people, chem|st
09:31.13MohammadAGno no no
09:31.13DocScrutinizerpeeps, there's no use in a mod that gets allergy when touching forum
09:31.22MohammadAGthe answer is to disallow posting if you have less than 5 posts
09:31.38pupnik?
09:31.52DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: lol
09:31.53timeless_w7iphow do you get your first 5 posts?
09:32.03MohammadAGtimeless_w7ip, that's the point, you don't
09:32.06DocScrutinizertimeless_w7ip: MORNING!
09:32.30timeless_w7ipgimme a break, i probably underslept again
09:32.32timeless_w7ipgoes out
09:32.36pupnikcheers
09:32.56chem|stlol
09:33.19pupnikif the system is set up well, it doesn't require many interventions
09:33.43chem|stsome settings need to be changed yes
09:34.10chem|stbut not reporting stupidness does not help me banning those idiots
09:34.46MohammadAGachipa, is Qt Mobility 1.1 or 1.2 stable enough to be in the CSSU?
09:34.47pupnikwell perspective of a user is different from that of a moderator
09:34.52MohammadAGs/is/are
09:35.21achipaMohammadAG: they are tons more stable than the 1.0.2 that is in the current one
09:35.43achipanot to mention that you multimedia and location stuff is unusable in 1.0.x
09:36.08MohammadAGachipa, so should I include them? I doubt the official SSU will ever have the updates
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09:36.32MohammadAG(though tbh, it would be better if the official SSU had them, since that's enabled by default)
09:36.38pupnikchem|st: wouldn't flamewars be less likely if people could ignore each other?  or do flamewars occur because people *want* to flame
09:36.58pupniks/could/could_more_easily
09:37.00DocScrutinizerchem|st: you're free to set mod++ on my tmo account, but I doubt it will help a lot on tmo at large
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09:37.42DocScrutinizermy mail client will hopefully handle the +3% of mail to move to some new subfolder and mark as read ;-D
09:38.22chem|stpupnik: "want" to!
09:39.03achipaMohammadAG: I would include them. Rule #1 - never ever wait for the official SSU :) It would be best if we could update that directly, but alas...
09:39.44MohammadAGachipa, then how do we allow extras-devel to build against the new Qt packages?
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09:41.17achipa'big' qt is not that critical at the moment, I would think we should ride it through with libqtm-11 (those will be pushed to Extras soon TM)
09:41.44achipaMohammadAG: and hopefully we could get them into the MADDE rootstrap as an easter egg so it would be pretty transparent
09:41.59MohammadAGachipa, so we're stuck with CONFIG += libqtm-11?
09:43.10achipaCONFIG += mobility11, but yes (still a small price to pay IMO if that means that we get out-of-the-box compatibility with the QtSDK)
09:43.11DocScrutinizer~nuke QtMobility
09:43.12infobotACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at QtMobility ... B☢☢M!
09:44.11MohammadAGachipa, so I shouldn't bother with including new QtMobility in the CSSU?
09:44.19MohammadAGif that's going in extras
09:44.48MohammadAGthough I'm sure all devs would prefer to have one set of qtmobility packages, instead of libqtm-*, libqtm-11-*, and libqtm-12-*
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09:45.17DocScrutinizerplease consider CSSU MUST NOT render official SSU broken!
09:45.23DocScrutinizer~2119
09:45.23infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
09:45.34MohammadAGit isn't
09:45.52MohammadAGQt is ABI compatible when you're going forward
09:45.59DocScrutinizerhahaha
09:46.10MohammadAGso suppose we include Qt 4.8 in the CSSU, 4.7 binaries will still work, but not the other way round
09:46.12DocScrutinizeryeah, always been. Sure
09:46.27MohammadAG(which is what happened when the updated Qt in the builder but not the devices)
09:48.13achipaMohammadAG: harryF said that "always" starts with 4.7 :)
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09:58.07DocScrutinizeralso point of CSSU is to bring fixes to joe luser, not serve as devel/testing repo for new libs. So Qt4.8 in CSSU has exactly *ONE* justification: IF and only IF Qt4.8 is fixing some "elementary" bugs in 4.7, *for the system and apps you can get via official SSU, and possibly update via CSSU*
09:58.31MohammadAGit's not getting 4.8, but 4.7.2
09:58.38DocScrutinizerwhatever
09:58.39MohammadAGand that has lots of bug fixes we need
09:58.46DocScrutinizerok then
09:58.55MohammadAGalso, achipa says the current 4.7.0 is an RC, not a final release
09:59.04DocScrutinizerjust make DAMN SURE it doesn't introduce *new* bugs
09:59.20MohammadAGwhy did I delay the update by a week?
09:59.47DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'm just saying, not criticising
09:59.55MohammadAGyeah, I know :P
10:00.04DocScrutinizerquite probably you're well aware of all this
10:00.43MohammadAGwell, I was the one who complained for a whole week about bugs introduced in Qt 4.7 in PR1.3
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10:00.56DocScrutinizeryes, I recall that
10:01.55MohammadAG:P
10:02.07DocScrutinizerI've just a hard time leaving QtMob bashing mode, after that filesensor WTF of a few days ago
10:02.22MohammadAGis there a way to make grep browse match only browse, and not browse_result?
10:02.41MohammadAGgrep --help isn't that helpful, and busybox grep is probably crippled
10:02.44DocScrutinizererr wut?
10:03.01DocScrutinizerplease rephrase
10:03.16MohammadAGgrep browse matches browse and browse_result
10:03.17achipaDocScrutinizer: our danger with the Qt update is actually that some applications might be relying on the bugs
10:03.30MohammadAGbasically, I want to match the exact string "browse"
10:03.41DocScrutinizeraaah, sure, grep for "browse "
10:04.18DocScrutinizeraaah, sure, grep for "browsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:" (check syntax!)
10:04.31DocScrutinizerduh wut???
10:04.49DocScrutinizermy PC acting up
10:05.06DocScrutinizeror "browsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:" (check syntax!)
10:05.12DocScrutinizerdamn!!
10:05.22MohammadAGlol
10:05.31DocScrutinizeror "browse\[\[:space:\]\]" (check syntax!)
10:06.09DocScrutinizeridiotic autoreplace/autotext
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10:06.28chem|stwhere might I find autolock delay?
10:06.42chem|stmean the bare config
10:06.55MohammadAGnope, not working
10:06.55DocScrutinizermce.ini?
10:06.58MohammadAGchem|st, mce.ini
10:07.26MohammadAGhmm, or gconf
10:07.29chem|stmmh?! not gconf?
10:07.34DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: your suspicion about messybox ""grep"" been quite to the point
10:07.56DocScrutinizerchem|st: umm, dunno
10:08.02chem|stI found the devicelock_autolock_enabled boolean... but not the delay
10:08.14DocScrutinizerI'd search mce.ini first, then gconf :-)
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10:08.44DocScrutinizerchem|st: autolock is tied to tk_lock afaik
10:08.51MohammadAGbasically, I want to see what the stock player's browsing
10:09.12MohammadAGthe messages that are send/received on DBus are browse and browse_result
10:09.29MohammadAGthe result one includes about 700 songs, thus making it hard to scroll back and read the browse part
10:09.50MohammadAG<PROTECTED>
10:10.01DocScrutinizerchem|st: maybe not, I recall sth like "lock after 30min", even "60min"
10:11.13MohammadAG#define GCONF_KEY_DIM_TIMEOUTS GCONF_KEY_DISPLAY "possible_display_dim_timeouts"
10:11.17DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: browse[^A-Za-z_\-"
10:11.21DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: browse[^A-Za-z_\-]
10:11.22MohammadAG#define GCONF_KEY_DISPLAY    "/system/osso/dsm/display/"
10:11.29MohammadAGI wonder what sets that ^
10:11.35chem|stDocScrutinizer: I lock after 60 but would like something like "never" but "true"
10:13.39chem|stis the tklock key considered to be the menu key?
10:13.49DocScrutinizerchem|st: MohammadAG posted several gconf keys relating devicelock recently
10:14.15MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, something sets that key
10:14.53MohammadAGhmm
10:14.54MohammadAG<PROTECTED>
10:14.55MohammadAG<long>This key contains the allowed values for display dimming timeout.
10:14.55DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: remember? we discussed if reflashing resets the autolock-enabled
10:15.08MohammadAGnormal gconf schema sets it
10:15.28MohammadAGwait, I'm a bit lost now
10:15.45MohammadAGchem|st, are we talking about tklock or device lock (with a code and all)
10:15.54chem|stMohammadAG: devlock
10:16.18chem|sthas nothing to do with tklock (was just asking about what the tklock-switch actualy is)
10:16.27MohammadAGthen ignore every gconf key I mentioned, sec
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10:17.29chem|st[1|root@cassiopeia|~]find / -iname devlock
10:17.30chem|st/var/lib/gconf/system/systemui/devlock
10:17.37chem|stthat is the boolean
10:17.45chem|stor there is only a boolean
10:17.46MohammadAG/apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock/autolock_period
10:17.48MohammadAGis what you want
10:18.01chem|stah applet (wtf)
10:18.05MohammadAGint, minutes, 1000 = disabled
10:18.33chem|stwhy does 1000 disable?
10:19.54MohammadAGseems like invalid = disable
10:20.25DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock
10:20.51MohammadAGwow, stupid applet
10:20.53DocScrutinizerjust for your convenience
10:21.12MohammadAGit stores the previous setting, and if you cancel the dialog it sets that again
10:21.18MohammadAGinstead of just storing it locally
10:21.42DocScrutinizerwow, how stupid
10:22.03chem|stehrm wut?
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10:23.01drackkso how do i get files from pc to n900?
10:23.02chem|stso actualy not int but byte (I do not get why people name stuff or use variables that are useless)
10:23.08DocScrutinizerchem|st: see gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock - orig_*
10:23.21chem|stDocScrutinizer: usb ssh webserver
10:24.24DocScrutinizerchem|st: ??
10:24.34chem|stso it is actualy setting "off" twice, once by boolean and once by an invalid period
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10:24.42chem|stDocScrutinizer: sry
10:24.53chem|stdrackk: usb ssh webserver
10:25.14drackkon windows?
10:25.20chem|styeah
10:25.32drackkwhats it called
10:25.47chem|stdrackk: usbmassstorage should give you a device letter or two
10:26.31drackkno
10:26.42chem|stmake sure you have all apps closed so MyDocs is not busy or it will not export drives
10:26.57chem|stDocScrutinizer: appletactive = false
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10:27.47drackkok  worksnow
10:27.55drackkworking
10:28.00chem|stI am wondering what happens if I set that true
10:28.05chem|stdrackk: ;)
10:28.40DocScrutinizerfrowns about /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/inhibit_blank_mode = 1
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10:31.20user_Hey guys! Im on a N900 and I cant save attachments. Theres no save attach in my email menu even though the attachment icon is visible in the index page.
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10:31.46drackkim in mass storage mode where the heck is my documents folder
10:31.48drackk?
10:31.52user_Can you recommend a way to work around or fix this bug or should i just switch MUAÄ
10:32.03DocScrutinizerdrackk: .documents
10:32.08drackkoh
10:32.15drackkcool thanks
10:32.30user_This is preventing me from both viewing and saving attachments.
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10:33.09DocScrutinizeruser_: could you click and hold the attachment icon?
10:33.13chem|stdrackk: there are some .xxxxxx folders mapped to what you see as Documents Audio Files et.al.
10:33.50DocScrutinizerdrackk: that's a Nokia invention to make life more easy for you :-P
10:34.45drackki dont know what you mean
10:34.58DocScrutinizernever mind
10:35.17drackkpk
10:35.21drackkok
10:35.22user_Doc: nope
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10:35.40user_the only menu in the index page is delete and mark as unread
10:36.29user_basically, this bug makes my mua useless to me. i need a working modern imap mua, if i can replace the default broken one im ok w that too
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10:39.16MohammadAG* DocScrutinizer frowns about /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/inhibit_blank_mode = 1
10:39.25MohammadAGthat has other values (1-4), lemme find the thread
10:39.29MohammadAGit's undocumented though
10:40.20chem|sttouching the settings once makes the orgi_devlock 60 (was 1000)
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10:41.17user_i tried claws but its not very finger friendly, is there any other imap mail client on maemo?
10:41.25MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026195.html
10:42.04MohammadAGif the link's not working (can't refresh it) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/61201#61201
10:42.19DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: cool, thanks
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10:43.52chem|stuser_: tapping the attachment opens it WFM; save attachement from menu WFM
10:43.59chem|stuser_: what kind of attachemnt is it
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10:46.42pupnikhttps://developer.mozilla.org/@api/deki/files/2922/=skewed-google-sample.html   << skewing webpages with html
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10:50.53DocScrutinizeruser_: modest is rather useless. I dunno of any other mua that's really better in all aspects
10:52.09DocScrutinizerchem|st: seems this depends a lot on type of attachment
10:52.12chem|stDocScrutinizer: mutt...
10:52.27chem|stDocScrutinizer: yeah just found one not accessible
10:52.31DocScrutinizeris mutt fingerfriendly?
10:52.38chem|stsure
10:52.59khorben_if your fingers are on a keyboard, no problem
10:53.06chem|stjust map the common keys to the xterm bottom and you are good ;)
10:53.20DocScrutinizerwell, tbh I never felt like managing my mail on N900, so I have no real clue
10:53.53chem|stDocScrutinizer: ssh me@server -> screen -> mutt|irssi
10:53.58khorben_I may port my embedded e-mail client to maemo, but it's pop3 only atm
10:54.21chem|stwhat does modest upstream do?
10:54.30chem|stis there any progress?
10:54.31khorben_http://www.defora.org/os/download/download/3487/DeforaOS-Mailer-01.png
10:54.35MohammadAGif anyone's interested: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PHVfTUe
10:54.41MohammadAGhow automatic playlists in the stock player work
10:54.53DocScrutinizermodest upstream progress? MUHAHA
10:55.45MohammadAGactually, modest is 3.4 on PR1.2, 3.90 upstream
10:55.49MohammadAGand that's what the CSSU includes
10:55.56MohammadAGPR1.3*
10:56.41DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's great! will you put it on wiki, lazy bugger?!
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10:57.16ruskiewonders if he is supposed to get any email confirmation for access to extras-devel upload
10:57.33DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (playlists that is)
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10:59.05drackkrequested operation requirerssuper user priveleges
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10:59.28drackkand i typed sudo gain root
11:00.13drackkdpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb            requested operation requires super user priveleges
11:00.32drackkbut i tped sudo gainroot
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11:00.47drackkwhat am i doing wrong?
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11:01.47DocScrutinizertype id
11:02.24drackkok
11:03.29drackkuid=29999(user) gid=29999(users)
11:03.35DocScrutinizer:nod:
11:03.52DocScrutinizerinstall rootsh in app manager
11:03.52drackkhuh?
11:03.57drackkk
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11:04.21drackkhow?
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11:05.12DocScrutinizerbth you frequently want to use `root` instead of `sudo gainroot`
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11:05.41DocScrutinizerneither of both will work if rootsh package not installed
11:06.10trxhello
11:06.10zalebHay trx leuk dat je wat zegt
11:06.33DocScrutinizerdrackk: hope you arew prepared to reflash *frequently*, as rootsh gives you power to fsckup system a lot
11:06.52trxDocScrutinizer any news about headset signals?
11:07.50drackkhow do i get it into app manager?
11:07.57DocScrutinizerzaleb: official warning! you're under bot evaluation now! We need a statement so you will pass Turing test
11:08.19DocScrutinizerzaleb: this is a test with timeout
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11:08.43DocScrutinizerzaleb: failing test will result in you getting kickbanned
11:08.45trxhello
11:08.45zalebHay trx leuk dat je wat zegt
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11:09.05trx:)
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11:09.47DocScrutinizertrx: not yet
11:10.34chem|stdrackk: menu (top left corner) - App. manager
11:11.24trxbtw, turns out, i cant use usb to parallel to control individual data lines without some ugly hardware work-arrounds :/
11:11.31drackki dont see rootsh in app manager
11:11.51trxso i decided to use usb direcly with PIC18F4550
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11:12.35trxbut i have to wait at least a week for it :/
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11:13.09trxturns out you can literaly do anything with the n900
11:13.18trxit can cook lunch :)
11:13.55drackkno rootsh dude
11:13.57DocScrutinizern900 make me coffe!
11:14.12trxthat will be my next project :)
11:14.29trxshouldnt be too hard, even for me :)
11:16.22drackkwhat is maemo5?
11:16.43trxseriously?
11:16.46DocScrutinizermaemo5 == fremantle == the current N900 official OS
11:17.03drackkoh then i should upgrade?
11:17.26DocScrutinizeryou can't have any non-5 maemo on N900
11:17.29FIQhm
11:17.50drackkmaemo5 is in app manager though
11:17.58FIQnice when you get highlights but when the line is gone from scrollback
11:18.19DocScrutinizerthat's an update of maemo5-PR1.0xy to probably maemo5-PR1.3
11:18.29DocScrutinizerand yes, you probably should update that
11:18.42drackkk
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11:20.19DocScrutinizeror better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster that SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D )
11:20.45DocScrutinizers/that /than /
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11:28.54DocScrutinizershaky net?
11:29.13pupnikheh
11:30.02pupnikis trying to understand how this game is updating to screen
11:30.18pupnikit refreshes the whole screen every frame, when only a few pixels are animated
11:30.59pupnikso it really should be a good candidate for portable play
11:31.08pupniksince it doesn't need to update much
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11:31.55drackkhow do i get rootsh ?
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11:34.08MohammadAGmay I suggest you read the manual?
11:34.34yaccdrackk, you put extras in your repository list, and install the package of your choice. Alternatively google it?
11:34.51drackkrootsh  then whats the repo
11:35.09MohammadAGthe repo is enabled on all N900s post 1.1
11:35.20MohammadAGread the manual or google it
11:35.22drackkand where is the repo lists on the n900
11:35.30DocScrutinizeryeah, but drackk has 1.0 :-P
11:35.49MohammadAGthen upgrade
11:36.07DocScrutinizer[2011-04-05 13:20:45] <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster than SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D )
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11:37.47DocScrutinizerwhat's the (irssi?) /foo bar boo cmd to "hide join/nick events"?
11:39.03DocScrutinizer/partymode yup ??
11:39.41ruskie/ignore * JOINS NICKS
11:39.48DocScrutinizerthnks
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11:41.08MohammadAGreal0m39.290s
11:41.08MohammadAGuser2m1.450s
11:41.08MohammadAGsys0m8.200s
11:41.15MohammadAGmediaplayer build times ^
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11:42.13DocScrutinizermeh
11:43.26MohammadAGindeed
11:43.32MohammadAGhey RevdKathy
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11:43.48DocScrutinizerruskie: my konversations seems doesn't act too nicely on /ignore * (whatever)
11:44.14DocScrutinizerwwoohoo RevdKathy long time no see
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11:45.00user_my 3g connection is shit
11:45.07user_i dont know if i got any replies
11:45.36DocScrutinizerhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
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11:46.26user_i still cant view or save attachments in maemo. same email works fine in thunderbird, sylpheed and mutt
11:46.41user_it seems to be rfc compliant. how to fix this bug?
11:47.25DocScrutinizeruser_: MohammadAG stated about modest upstream is 3.9 instead 3.4
11:47.44MohammadAGhe's also getting segfaults for no reason
11:47.55DocScrutinizerI doubt this is going to fix a lot of modest borkedness
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11:48.27DocScrutinizerLOL
11:48.35DocScrutinizer[2011-04-05 13:48:16] --> jayne hat den Kanal betreten (~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne).
11:48.36DocScrutinizer[2011-04-05 13:48:16] <-- jayne hat den Server verlassen (Excess Flood).
11:48.43MohammadAGlol
11:49.26DocScrutinizerseems freenode has a fun time today
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11:49.50trxhaha
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11:51.34ruskieDocScrutinizer, has had it for most of the last two days
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11:54.13DocScrutinizercurses Konversation for obviously not providing any user cmd or toolbar shortcut for "[X] hide JOIN/QUIT/NICK evens" in settings
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11:57.30DocScrutinizeractually whole KDE is (and always has been) flawed regarding kbd-hotkeys for stepping thru treeview selectors like in Konversation's settings dialog
11:58.17DocScrutinizeras well as not providing a method to definitely SET or UNSET instead of just *toggle* and [X]checkbox
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12:01.35DocScrutinizers/ and / any /
12:02.20DocScrutinizerwell, I guess that's OT here and should go to #kde
12:02.28rangeact
12:02.30rangeGrr.
12:02.57DocScrutinizerhaha, the . is nice :-)
12:04.17rangeSure. Always form complete sentences. Even when using onomatopoeia.
12:04.54DocScrutinizernonono, I won't search wikipedia for onomatopoeia
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12:06.18SpeedEvilIt's the sound the Onomatopeia bird makes.
12:06.26crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, easy, it's the scripted representation of a sound
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12:06.45crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, "Tic tac" is the onomatopoeia of a clock
12:07.19crashanddie_"Woosh" is the onomatopoeia of this conversation going over redneck's heads.
12:07.29DocScrutinizer51sure, gathered as much. But I seem to recall funny things on wikipedia about it
12:08.21user_doc: is it available in maemo repos?
12:09.06MohammadAGlol, my first attempt at playlists resulted in 7602981 songs :)
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12:09.24user_i cant use my phopne to handle email, its near useless to me with this bug
12:09.39user_so a sollution is much appreciated, if available
12:10.20chem|st!moan
12:10.31chem|st~moan
12:10.31infobotohhhhhhhh, ahhhhhh, oh yes, tpa, again, ohh.......
12:10.43crashanddie_user_, get a real nickname, and port some decent email client to maemo, I'd say
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12:11.57user_crash: i dont understand, maemo has no working mua now?
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12:12.09crashanddie_mua?
12:12.12crashanddie_Mail user agent?
12:12.16DocScrutinizermail user agent
12:12.21user_yes
12:12.28crashanddie_is that the nerd speak for "mail client"?
12:12.56crashanddie_Anyway, things seem to be working relatively OK through IMAP, but it's a network hog
12:13.00DocScrutinizeruser_: xchat has a pretty easy config menu, to set up proper nickname and real user name
12:13.02user_i guess
12:13.21crashanddie_dunno about your specifics, only read your moaning and extrapolated from that
12:13.36crashanddie_oh, good memories that one
12:13.46DocScrutinizerwell, modest is notorious to be crap
12:13.52crashanddie_The last one who pulled that joke on me is still banned IIRC.
12:14.06MohammadAGwhat joke?
12:14.13crashanddie_"/nick arealnick"
12:14.17arealnickthats not my problem though. my phone doesnt handle email w attachment is my problem.
12:14.39MohammadAGlol
12:14.52arealnickwhat is this "modest"?
12:14.53crashanddie_You mean as in bug #10206
12:14.54povbot`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10206 Email Attachment not visible if multipart/alternative mime types present
12:14.55scoobertroncrashanddie_: An mua can be more lightweight than a mail client - it doesn't necessarily handle sending or receiving mail.
12:15.01MohammadAGit's the default "MUA"
12:15.02DocScrutinizerI tend to set user_ on banlist
12:15.18DocScrutinizernot *this* particular user_, but the nick
12:15.31arealnickmohammad: yes! that is the problem
12:15.54crashanddie_that wasn't MohammadAG, that was me.
12:15.57crashanddie_Also, l2g
12:16.09arealnickl2g?
12:16.12crashanddie_learn to google
12:16.25MohammadAGwtf    string "(|(&(!(genre~audiobook))(!(genre~podcast)))(genre=))"
12:16.32DocScrutinizerduh, is that one of *my* tickets even?
12:16.55MohammadAGdidn't we fix that in the CSSU?
12:16.58crashanddie_"This has been fixed in package
12:16.58crashanddie_modest 3.4.7+0m5
12:16.59crashanddie_which is part of the internal build version
12:16.59crashanddie_2010.28-7
12:16.59crashanddie_(Note: 2010 is the year, and the number after is the week.)"
12:17.18MohammadAGor add it, then reverse it
12:17.24crashanddie_"The problem reported here should be fixed in the update that was released today
12:17.25crashanddie_for public: The Maemo5 update version 20.2010.36-2 (also called "PR1.3"
12:17.25crashanddie_sometimes)."
12:17.41DocScrutinizerhmpf no. not reported by me, though I noticed it like in january 2010
12:18.14arealnickcan i upgrade to that package version?
12:18.25crashanddie_arealnick, what PR are you running?
12:18.41arealnickPR?
12:19.09DocScrutinizermaemo version
12:19.21DocScrutinizersettings -> about
12:19.27arealnickhang on
12:19.57MohammadAGhangs himself
12:20.16MohammadAGmafw playlist stuff is fucking retarded/non-human readable
12:20.16DocScrutinizerplays hangman
12:20.20arealnick20.2010 36
12:20.25crashanddie_MohammadAG, it is?
12:20.29crashanddie_MohammadAG, I thought it was OK
12:20.36MohammadAGcrashanddie_, explain this to me
12:20.36crashanddie_MohammadAG, you still haven't released?
12:20.40arealnick-2 also at end
12:20.58chem|stbingo
12:21.19MohammadAGcrashanddie_, this is a filter,    string "(|(genre~\2Aaudiobook\2A)(genre~\2Apodcast\2A))"
12:21.31crashanddie_yeah, and?
12:21.37arealnicki have updated every time it asked me
12:21.39MohammadAGwhat does it mean/represent?
12:22.01crashanddie_MohammadAG, it's a filter on the type audiobook or podcast
12:22.03DocScrutinizerarealnick: yyou might want to check modest version
12:22.17MohammadAGand yes, I still haven't released, the january release deadline was impossible :P
12:22.25crashanddie_it wasn't impossible
12:22.29crashanddie_you had everything you needed bru
12:22.37crashanddie_Even if january was impossible, we're april
12:22.38arealnickdoc, sry i just use the phone dont know much about it
12:23.01MohammadAGcrashanddie_, I have other things to do
12:23.06arealnicktheres no working email client in my current version, right?
12:23.09crashanddie_No you don't, you're a student!
12:23.19MohammadAGyeah, last year at high school :p
12:23.31MohammadAGI think we do stuff in that year
12:23.50crashanddie_well, that stuff obviously wasn't as important as the media player
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12:23.54DocScrutinizerarealnick: modest is really what the name suggests: modest in regard of features
12:24.01MohammadAGregardless
12:24.01arealnickhow do I update to modest?
12:24.09MohammadAGit's done now, except playlists
12:24.12MohammadAGautomated playlists
12:24.16MohammadAGsaved ones are done
12:24.18arealnickoh its a program?
12:24.22crashanddie_arealnick, yeah
12:24.35crashanddie_automated playlists?
12:24.41arealnickaha. replace the nonworking mua?
12:24.45DocScrutinizerarealnick: modest is the stock MUA
12:25.17arealnickOh. Ok. I cant find any updates for it in the app manager
12:25.24crashanddie_because there aren't?
12:26.06MohammadAGcrashanddie_, recently played, most played, never played, etc
12:26.11MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/mediaplayer] > cat `find -name "*.cpp"  && find -name "*.h"` | wc -l
12:26.11MohammadAG9642
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12:26.23arealnicki dont get it.
12:26.28DocScrutinizerarealnick: crashanddie_ quoted (from that bmo ticket) that the problem you are facing is supposed to be fixed in modest 3.4.7+0m5 which should ship with your current PR
12:27.13arealnicklet me check the version
12:27.53arealnickit says 3.4.8+0m5
12:28.02arealnickand its still broken
12:28.11chem|stis changing his He-cooling-rig adsorber - 5.5Ghz FTW
12:29.17arealnicki havent had working email since switching to n900 from my old decade old phone (symbian, it had working email)
12:29.47DocScrutinizerarealnick: most users consider modest to be crap
12:30.34arealnickit is obviously. email w mime isnt exactly new. you cant sell a smartphone wo it today
12:30.37DocScrutinizerI never bothered to find a better MUA, heard some users prefer claws
12:30.43arealnickwell, nokia can obviously
12:31.04arealnickclaws is useless w fingers.
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12:31.31DocScrutinizerthere's definitely no replace... duh said that before
12:31.41arealnicki like everything else, but i really need email
12:32.00DocScrutinizer[2011-04-05 12:50:53] <DocScrutinizer> user_: modest is rather useless. I dunno of any other mua that's really better in all aspects
12:32.40arealnickwhy cant nokia make a usable mua?
12:32.44DocScrutinizer"all aspects" includes "fingerfriendly"
12:32.54arealnickthey been around on phones since 2000
12:33.08crashanddie_arealnick, because Nokia abandoned the N900 and Maemo over a year ago?
12:33.12arealnickandroid, iphone, older symbian all have it
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12:33.32arealnickthats not a valid point since it never worked for me
12:33.43crashanddie_arealnick, now, please get on google and start reading about the phone you just bought. You have questions, go answer them yourself
12:33.45Treibholzarealnick: what are you missing?
12:33.49TreibholzIDLE?
12:34.03arealnickemail w mime has been around since forever, even MS manage to make a wrking mua for winmoo 6.5
12:34.04crashanddie_arealnick, once you're ready, you can come back, but please stop festering in this channel, understood?
12:34.30Treibholznever had a real problem with modest (except the missing IDLE)
12:34.32pupnikwell it's a valid complaint, there's just limited options
12:34.51crashanddie_and he doesn't want to discuss those options, he's just yelling at us asking why nokia didn't do this or that
12:35.00pupnikah ok
12:35.06DocScrutinizerarealnick: we can't help beyond stating wat we already did. modest is crap, there's nothing (yet) that is better in all aspects
12:35.18arealnickcrash: u can understand my frustration after replacing a decade old phone i bought for 20$ w this one and it doesnt even handle mime
12:35.28crashanddie_I do understand it
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12:35.33arealnickok doc
12:35.34crashanddie_but this is a community channel
12:35.41crashanddie_and there really isn't much we can do, we're not Nokia
12:35.55Treibholzand Nokia won't change anything.
12:36.01arealnicksuch a simple and common thuing
12:36.21pupnikuse the console, luke!
12:36.28arealnickif this was some exotic jingle implementation i would be more understanding
12:36.41Treibholzarealnick: I haven't understood your problem, yet.
12:36.44arealnickbut no mime in 2011 is really bad
12:36.46pupnikpoints to the n900 keyboard. use!
12:36.51DocScrutinizerarealnick: I'm sure you'll earn title "maemo hero of the month" if you just go and adapt a decent MUA to be fingerfriendly
12:37.22crashanddie_pupnik, Vador goes to Luke and says "I know what you will get for Christmas" Luke "No, it's impossible", Vador: "I do know what you'll get for Christmas", Luke "No, you can't know!", Vador: "Luke, I have felt your presents"
12:37.39DocScrutinizerarealnick: ...as we are all aware modest is crap, and nobody hopes for Nokia doing anything to improve it
12:37.52arealnicktrei: the default mua cant handle mime multipart
12:37.56pupnikHAHAHAH
12:38.15Treibholzarealnick: a more painfull thing is, there is no way to sync the PIM-data.
12:38.23arealnicki have never used any mua that didnt before.
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12:38.29Treibholzarealnick: ok, what does that mean?
12:38.45Treibholzarealnick: I never had a mail I couldn't read.
12:39.20arealnicktreib: i need to view attached images and possibly a pdf
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12:39.23arealnickor save them
12:40.05DocScrutinizerthis usually works, but not for mails formated e.g. by iphone
12:40.10arealnicktreib: i dont think i can solve it anyway
12:40.27arealnickdoc: doesnt matter if they follow rfcs
12:40.41DocScrutinizerat least that's what I found like 14 months ago
12:40.55arealnickive parsed these emails before thinking there was an error, but no. its this mua thats broken
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12:41.24Treibholzarealnick: I can open attached Files...
12:41.30Treibholzno problem...
12:41.42arealnickdoesnt help me
12:42.00DocScrutinizeryes. modest refused (IIRC) do show and cope with attachments embedded in a multipart-mixed html part
12:42.36GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer: GAN900's here most of the time. :P
12:42.49Treibholzworks perfectly here.
12:42.51DocScrutinizeryep
12:43.27TreibholzI can open the attached PDF in a multipa/alternativ Mail which has HTML and TXT
12:43.30arealnicktreib: good for u
12:43.40arealnicki cannot
12:43.45Treibholzsent by outlook.
12:44.08Treibholzwith proper mimetypes.
12:44.28arealnickthis mail has proper mimetypes too, im sure
12:44.35arealnicklast time i checked
12:44.42Treibholzarealnick: but you may send me a test-mail.
12:44.43DocScrutinizerTreibholz: yes, unless this multipart/alternative got sent by iPhone which soes some weird thing that breaks just on modest
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12:44.47arealnickalso claws does open it fine on phone too
12:45.29Treibholzarealnick: treibholz-arealnick(at)uxix(dot)de
12:45.38arealnicktreib: cannot, this isnt public information
12:45.56arealnicki only use this phone for work.
12:46.05Treibholzso, you cannot reproduce it either?
12:46.05crashanddie_then get a real phone from work
12:46.17crashanddie_don't tell me they don't provide blackberries or something?
12:46.32DocScrutinizerarealnick: the failing mail has proper mimetypes too, but a flawed nesting
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12:47.11arealnicktreib: no, all I know is that emails that follow standards and can be opened in mutt, thunderbird, outlook, iphone, android, symbian, etc do not work on my N900
12:47.27DocScrutinizerYES
12:47.37arealnickcrash: i was thinking htc
12:47.42arealnickgalaxy something?
12:47.52Treibholzarealnick: then send me such a mail.
12:47.53arealnickbut i got this just a year ago
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12:48.10arealnicktreib: i cant. i dont have any w public info
12:48.29crashanddie_arealnick, seriously, gtfo.
12:48.46crashanddie_You don't want help, you don't want solutions, you just want to bitch and moan
12:48.48DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: chill! though I sympathise
12:48.49arealnickhow so?
12:48.52Treibholzarealnick: so just because you have ONE broken mail...
12:49.07arealnicktreib no this is not the first
12:49.30arealnickso far every time i got it, i could not open
12:49.46meceAaaaahahaha LOL http://translate.google.com/#en|fi|Girlicious
12:49.53Treibholzalways from the same user?
12:49.54DocScrutinizerarealnick: are you listening to what I posted to you?
12:50.20arealnickdoc: can you explain the nested problem? mime supports nested parts
12:50.30crashanddie_I deleted a very nasty sentence.
12:50.33DocScrutinizerYES, but modest doesn't
12:50.53arealnickok.
12:51.14arealnicktreib: no not always
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12:51.48arealnicktreib: however, last time i examined the raw email and could not find a flaw in it
12:52.27DocScrutinizerarealnick: compare sender MUA tags
12:52.33arealnicktreib: its obiously a bug in the mua, supposedely fixed, but isnt. i dont think theres much more to say/test.
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12:53.40arealnickDoc: i appreciate the help but im gonna take crash's advice and forget about it
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13:56.51chem|stHelium is fun stuff (at least without oil dust...)
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14:04.34DocScrutinizero.O
14:05.36chem|stcryocompressor adsorber change
14:06.27chem|stand I needed to vent the used adsorber 2L He @ 1500kPa
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14:28.28chem|stDocScrutinizer: so devicelock locks after 60minutes even with set to 240
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14:29.41chem|stTreibholz: how is your nitdroid doing?
14:30.49chem|stT-offline is back again
14:31.19pupnik:)
14:31.22pupnikhttp://i.imgur.com/5dxhF.jpg  << Aaron Barr  LMAO
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14:32.29DocScrutinizerchem|st: change orig_* crap as well - you never know
14:32.50chem|stDocScrutinizer: orig changes itself...
14:33.01chem|stwill try... waht is the max number?
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14:33.13DocScrutinizerchem|st: of course unless it works with value set to e.g. 2 but not with values >60
14:33.46chem|styeah... again something nowhere documented...
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14:35.02DocScrutinizerconsidered 'date -s "now + 58 minutes"'?
14:38.25chem|st?
14:38.36DocScrutinizergconftool-2 -set /foo/bar/timeout uint:60 && sleep 5 && date -s now+0:55
14:39.15DocScrutinizerchem|st: assuming it's boring to wait for >1h to see if device actually blanks
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14:48.35chem|stdoes not work
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14:52.06DocScrutinizer:-/ hmm, thought it'd be worth a try
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14:52.50DocScrutinizerno idea how kernel's timers actually are implemented
14:52.51Treibholzchem|st: needs too much battery and is too slow from the MicroSD.
14:53.25Treibholzchem|st: but really fast compared to meego... (and some things are even faste than maemo)
14:53.38DocScrutinizerthought I've seen screen dim and lock inadvertedly when I ran some time adjusting tool
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14:59.26DocScrutinizeractually not, just tested->doesn't work this way
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15:04.50DocScrutinizerI think kernel has a jiffies_since_boot plus an offset to form a proper time as in ticks since epoc from that. Timers might work on jiffies_since_boot while setting time just corrects the offset constant
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15:09.38poepwtf?
15:12.31DocScrutinizerpoep: problems?
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15:31.40DocScrutinizerman 7 time seems to confirm this
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15:36.55DocScrutinizerwow, learning new things every day: cat /proc/timer_list
15:37.03RST38hyawns
15:37.07RST38hMoorning, Doc
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15:38.40chem|stmorning RST38h
15:38.46RST38hhello chem|st
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15:39.19chem|stTreibholz: the fact that you are mostly tied to the G is a big turnoff
15:40.41DocScrutinizermoo RST38h
15:40.47DocScrutinizercat /proc/timer_list|grep -A 1 bme  :-S
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15:41.19DocScrutinizerpiece of c*ap
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15:43.10RST38hah you are so damn negative...
15:43.34RST38hwondering where he can get a non-SDHC SD card nowadays,on a very short order (an hour)
15:43.38pupnikfunny how the n900 charges but the charging light doesn't come on
15:43.52SpeedEvilRST38h: Well - if you can collect, you can have my 1G card.
15:44.04chem|stRST38h: <2GB == SD!HC
15:44.08RST38hI know
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15:44.19chem|steven 2GB is SD!HC
15:44.19RST38hUnless they started making them all SDHC just in case
15:44.32chem|stI doubt it
15:44.39chem|stthey just call it sdhc
15:44.58RST38hAlso, I *think* the device uses SPI-mode access to the cards, so even SDHC might work
15:45.06chem|stmaybe some tiny cards are
15:45.49RST38hchem: SDHC actually does not simply mean bigger capacity. There are some changes to command set and addressing involved. So, yes, you may have a <=2GB SDHC card, in principle
15:46.20DocScrutinizeryou bet there are
15:46.22chem|stsure but you just don't need it for a 2GB chip
15:46.32DocScrutinizeruBoot doesn't boot systems on SDHC
15:46.38DocScrutinizeron FR
15:46.51DocScrutinizerused to not...
15:46.54RST38hyou have got the same controller chips anyway
15:46.58DocScrutinizerguess it's fixed now
15:47.03DocScrutinizeryep
15:47.38RST38hDoc: A well behaved card should fall back to SD mode. At least my model does :)
15:47.48chem|stwell if they changed the design to sdhc and just swapped the chips for size then it is all sdhc
15:48.02DocScrutinizerRST38h: obvioulsy they can't
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15:48.10chem|stmy usbstick doesnt
15:48.15DocScrutinizerheard there are issues in addressing format
15:48.19RST38hDoc: But the real fun starts with SDIO. Do you know for example that Linux will not use any flash memory on the SDIO card?
15:48.33chem|st?
15:48.51RST38hDoc: no, when it is operating in the SD mode, the addressing should happen in bytes, like in all SD cards, not in 512-byte blocks as in SDHC
15:49.10chem|stget an sdio controller is the first trick
15:49.32DocScrutinizerRST38h: that's fine for cards small enough so you can actually address in bytes
15:49.39chem|stI was looking into wifi sdio cards for dslr but you need an sdio capable controller to set it up...
15:50.01DocScrutinizerI mean there's a reason for SDHC
15:50.52DocScrutinizerwhatever, I got plenty of 512MB uSD here ;-D
15:52.13RST38hDoc: As I said, the main change in SDHC vs SD is the block addressing
15:52.42RST38hDoc: But the card should fall back to byte addressing if the high-capacity feature has not been negotiated with the controller
15:52.53DocScrutinizerand calypsoFW flashing via uSD works on uSD but evidently not on uSDHC, with FR NOR uBoot
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15:53.11RST38hAh, now you are talking
15:53.47DocScrutinizerthough on both cards we flash same MBR/partiton table and rootfs
15:53.58DocScrutinizerof IIRC 256MB size
15:53.59RST38hAnyway, looks like I will have to go out buy the damn card =(
15:54.36RST38hThe u- and m- in uSD/mSD mean nothing, just the size
15:54.54DocScrutinizerI'm aware of that, dude
15:54.58RST38hThe "+" in MMC+ though makes a big difference
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15:55.56DocScrutinizerhad a lot of fun getting a µSD->miniSD adapter for N810
15:56.04RST38hahhahaha
15:56.16RST38hcheaper to buy a separate card.
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15:56.41DocScrutinizeruseless as that can't go to any of my other mobile devices
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16:03.03chem|stall my µSD cards shipped with both adaptors yet
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16:03.37chem|stand there were cheaper than bulk ones
16:03.52DocScrutinizerI bought like 3 otherwise useless 1GB cards that came with both adapters
16:05.44RST38hlooks at Doc meaningfully: any 1GB card would spare him a trip to RadioShack now
16:07.01DocScrutinizerRST38h: how about that: I plug that card to my desktop PC and you remote mount it ;-D
16:08.12DocScrutinizerRST38h: ask paul fertser, he for sure has some small SD cards as well
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16:08.49DocScrutinizerwait, Radio Shack? I gather you're not @home
16:09.18RST38hNo, US
16:09.37RST38hI have got some older cards back in .RU,but need to do some work here
16:11.08chem|stbb
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16:50.23MohammadAGchem|st, tbh, instead of wasting time trying to see how to change it, I'd disable it completely and make a daemon that sleeps for $time then locks the device
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16:59.23DocScrutinizerhah, good point
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17:00.47DocScrutinizerjust such a daemon needs to sense all activities that are supposed to reset the lock-timeout timer
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17:06.43crashanddie_"Nasdaq shift to lighten Apple's weighting"
17:06.52crashanddie_Am I the only one who misread that the first time?
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17:13.36OkropNickhow can I execute program while logged as root with 'user' privilages?
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17:15.36yaccOkropNick, as on any Unix/Linux:
17:15.53yaccOkropNick, su -c "program argument argument" user
17:16.06OkropNickyacc: thanx
17:17.06yaccOkropNick, for the N900 it's really useful to have an Ubuntu or Debian host (or at least VM), so you can read man pages or stuff. OTOH man pages should be googleable.
17:17.35OkropNickI don't even have Windows, only Linux
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17:26.51OkropNickIt not helped me. I need to run command from fcron that is sending text message, but probably root can not privilages to write to my x session or something. I'm trying to use 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"some text" uint32:0 string:"OK"' - but i have error ''Failed to open connection to "session" message bus: (null)" - any
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17:37.15luke-jr)#%*
17:37.52luke-jrjust got a SMS from T-Mobile: "Sidekick data services will end of 5/31 and all data on phone will be lost. Please call 611 to discuss options for new data services."
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17:52.03OkropNickok, i found solution. command should be run with user privilages.
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17:52.27OkropNickanyone knows how to change sound volume from command  line?
17:53.49jacekows1ipasomething
17:54.00jacekows1iit's pulseaudio shit
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17:57.16vldcnstI think you need pulseaudio-utils
17:58.43rm_workthere's a version of Carman for N900 right? >_>
17:58.56rm_worktime to search... assumed it would be in extras, but not showing up :(
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18:02.38OkropNickthx, I'll check it
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18:16.06DocScrutinizerOkropNick: run-standalone.sh <cmd>
18:16.22OkropNickDocScrutinizer: what's that?
18:16.51DocScrutinizerOkropNick: root doesn't ahve access to user's session bus
18:17.30DocScrutinizersetting volume also done via dbus-cmd to mafw iirc
18:17.52OkropNickoh, thanks. I found that 'su - user commandname' is enough for me, but I'll check your sugestion too
18:18.51DocScrutinizersu - will log in to the user, so environment gets restored completely. run-standalone.sh restores env without changing user aiui
18:20.12OkropNickmhm
18:21.25DocScrutinizeryou'll find ots of useful dbus cmds at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
18:22.19DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_volume
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18:28.49xd13i got so upset when I went to maemo.org on april 1st, i knew it was a joke before even looking at the specs
18:31.11OkropNickDocScrutinizer: thanks, that's exactly what  I need :)
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18:37.47OkropNickDocScrutinizer: Not working for me. Am I doing something wrong? dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.set_extension_property string:10 variant:uint32:50
18:38.24DocScrutinizerstring:10?
18:38.43DocScrutinizerstring:volume variant:uint32:10 !!
18:40.20OkropNickDocScrutinizer: you're right, thanks
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18:42.03OkropNickDocScrutinizer: Last question. Now I know how to SET volume, but how to GET actual volume?
18:42.20DocScrutinizerrefresh your wikipage
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18:48.01OkropNickthank you
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19:07.58rm_worklol maemo had an april fools day thing? :P
19:08.01rm_worki missed it
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19:11.54SpeedEvilA fake device.
19:12.31rm_worklol yeah
19:12.32rm_workk
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19:12.57pupnikwith 4 rows and 3 bindings per key, you can have a ton of things
19:14.54SpeedEvilChording only 4 keys gets you around a million keystrokes.
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19:22.33pupnikanybody smart want to help me fix-up this game client :/
19:22.52pupniki didn't get anything done today
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19:46.08pupnikn810 keys are painful
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20:08.55MohammadAGalterego, do you know of a way to see where an app is hanging?
20:09.03MohammadAGbesides adding a shitload of qDebug()s :)
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20:09.37MohammadAG11380 11367 root     R    14876  6.0 93.1 /usr/local/bin/mediaplayer <-- holy crap, must be some infinite loop
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20:12.49alteregoCertianly looks like it.
20:13.08alteregoI'd run it through a debugger
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20:14.44trip0strace it
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20:17.05nox-or attach gdb? (if that works on n900)
20:17.23trip0should work
20:17.27MohammadAGbut it's not crashing
20:17.29MohammadAGit's hanging
20:18.08nox-yeah you may find out where its stuck then
20:18.38MohammadAGhow, the only commands I know are r, bt, and q :P
20:18.57timeless_w7ipbt and c are what you want
20:19.13nox-or det instead of c (detach)
20:19.29timeless_w7ipwell plus something to send SIGSTOP
20:19.52nox-i think gdb does that when you attach it...
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20:20.49timeless_w7ipnox: not the goal
20:20.53troulouliouhi i m i missing something but i can not see gcc package in apt-cache search ?
20:21.04timeless_w7ipyou want to basically use 'bt' to get sample stack traces
20:21.17nox-ah right
20:21.28timeless_w7iptroulouliou: you need to enable a tools repo or something
20:21.34timeless_w7ipmaemo.org has documention in a devel section
20:21.53troulouliouthink i have all thse strange
20:22.08MohammadAGhow do I detach the app when I'm already running it?
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20:22.19nox-attach/bt/detach or attach/bt/c/signal/bt/c/...
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20:23.42GNUtoohi, what's the CONFIG_ associated with the proximity sensor?
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20:36.55DocScrutinizerCONFIG_?
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20:37.25DocScrutinizeras in build_my_kernel config?
20:38.42GNUtooyes
20:38.57DocScrutinizerNFC, it's a generic GPIO
20:39.30DocScrutinizermuch like kbd_slider or tkLock_switch
20:39.34GNUtoook
20:39.36GNUtoothanks a lot
20:39.54GNUtooI wonder where it got added in the more recent kernels
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20:40.25DocScrutinizerpath in sysfs?
20:40.52GNUtoomaybe I'll look
20:41.19DocScrutinizer"/sys/bus/platform/devices/proximity/state"
20:41.26DocScrutinizeris path in sys
20:41.27GNUtooI'll look
20:41.33GNUtoothanks a lot!!!!
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20:51.30troulouliouhi my rootfs is full again after installing gcc , where can i free any mor space
20:53.58alteregouninstall gcc
20:54.25troulouliouna move /usr/include
20:54.59alteregoPersonally, if I wanted gcc in, I'd do it in a chroot
20:55.05alteregoProbably a maemo chroot
20:56.14MohammadAGuses one
20:56.29MohammadAGa pita for Qt apps, they take ages to compile
20:57.03alteregoYeah
20:57.23alteregoProbably quicker to do it on my server with madde then scp it to the N900 over 3G :P
20:57.26alteregoI've done that before.
20:58.09trouloulioualterego: how that in a chroot ?
20:58.10cehtehhehe anyone port distcc to the n900 and let us build compiling cloud :P
20:58.43MohammadAGalterego, even 2G :p
20:59.11alteregotroulouliou: _that_ isn't in a chroot, I'm just saying if I wanted offline compilation on my N900 I'd do it in a chroot on a micro sd or the emmc.
20:59.14MohammadAGmy mediaplayer builds in 40s, with make -j4
20:59.27alteregoMohammadAG: that's not bad at all
20:59.31MohammadAG(on a quad core PC running @ 2.4GHz)
20:59.32alteregoWhat are you on about? :P
20:59.39alteregoOh right
20:59.45alteregoHow long on the N900 then? :D
20:59.56MohammadAG4 minutes as of two months ago
20:59.58MohammadAG:P
21:00.16alteregoHeh
21:00.30MohammadAGso add some other 4 minutes now
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21:02.09alteregoHow's your uni project going btw?
21:02.45MohammadAGuni? it's for school :P
21:02.54alteregoOh, I thought you were at uni :P
21:03.03alteregoHow is your "school" project going :P
21:03.24MohammadAGwell, but I'm pondering a QML rewrite for the extra eye candy
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21:03.34alteregoHeh
21:03.56MohammadAG25 days till the deadline
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21:04.49MohammadAGfinishing the mediaplayer these 2 days, I need to release already
21:05.16alterego:)
21:05.32alteregoI've been so busy over the past few months I've not touched Columbus
21:05.48alteregoAnd I've been super-super busy the past three weeks and barely done any work on any MeeGo/Maemo stuff.
21:05.52MohammadAGwell, you have a job, I don't :P
21:06.13alteregoLuckily I've almost completed this project/contract so I'm starting to get a bit more time.
21:06.41alteregoGonna probably take thursday and friday off from this project whils tit gets wet tested by the users.
21:07.12MohammadAGtit gets wet? :p
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21:09.41alteregoThink I'll dedicate thursday and friday to ressurecting columbus.
21:09.52MohammadAGheh
21:10.07MohammadAGalterego, just wondering, do you have any improted playlists?
21:10.22alteregoI keep seeing good feedback and recommendations from users on tmo
21:10.36alteregoMakes me feel guilty from holding back on my 1.0 release :(
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21:12.01alteregoHow do you mean imported? I've never really used playlists.
21:12.20MohammadAGneither have I, that's why I deleted the ones I had
21:12.32MohammadAGalterego, start the stock player, switch to playlist view, scroll down
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21:12.46MohammadAGdo you have anything under "Imported playlists"?
21:12.56MohammadAGmafw imports them automatically if you have them
21:13.09E0xi have
21:13.32alteregoyes I do
21:13.50MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mafw-browse-example
21:13.58alteregofrom some albums that obviously have .m3u files or whatever they are.
21:14.21E0xexactly
21:14.26Khertan_n900Hello !
21:14.46MohammadAG./mafw-browse-example localtagfs::music/playlists
21:14.51MohammadAGcan you post the output of that?
21:14.59Khertan_n900Communi is a really a simple irc client :)
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21:15.16MohammadAGyeah
21:15.50Khertan_n900But its not bad :)
21:18.13MohammadAGanyone? :)
21:18.30chem|st_MohammadAG: I dont want it to lock after time but lock when the device is booted
21:18.39MohammadAGoh
21:18.41MohammadAGuse dbus
21:18.52MohammadAGand an event.d script
21:19.38chem|st_MohammadAG: the setting orig_ too did at least break the 60 minutes limit
21:20.22MohammadAGdbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.system_ui /com/nokia/system_ui/request com.nokia.system_ui.request.devlock_open string:"com.nokia.mce" string:"/com/nokia/mce/request" string:"com.nokia.mce.request" string:"devlock_callback" uint32:'3'
21:21.11MohammadAGa quick way would be to hijack hildon-desktop's Xsession.post file
21:22.37chem|st_MohammadAG: I want to try reverse engineering the processes and write the docu but thanks anyway ;)
21:23.09MohammadAGreverse engineer mce? good luck :P
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21:23.22MohammadAGit's mostly open now anyway
21:23.46chem|st_for the quick this is ok but I think this should be an option in settings "Lock device on boot" "Lock device if SIM changes/has been removed
21:24.47chem|st_dev lock is not mce but the frontend right?
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21:25.33MohammadAGyou mean the applet? it just changes some gconf values
21:25.34E0xchem|st_: that is for smscon ?
21:25.52chem|st_the devlock remover is mce used for calls like shutdown
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21:26.13chem|st_so mce is the one actualy acting
21:26.17chem|st_?
21:26.46E0xi saw the panicbutton app , and make think about a deamon that send the gps position after 3 fail code entry
21:27.32MohammadAGyes
21:27.36MohammadAGstop mce; start mce
21:27.41MohammadAGit asks for the password
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21:34.50Khertan_n900Is there a way to test a upstart script on maemo before rebooting my n900 ?
21:35.22MohammadAGstart $scriptname
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22:08.37MohammadAGalterego, it seems that the UI's hanging in the constructor of a window
22:08.40MohammadAGwhich looks perfectly fine to me
22:08.43MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/Y09U7iiV
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22:10.58drackkhello again
22:11.42BCMM_why on earth did Nokia just email me trying to sell an E7?
22:12.07MohammadAGjust in case :P
22:12.38Proteousheh
22:12.45alteregoMohammadAG: maybe your dbus adapters are hanging
22:13.03MohammadAGalterego, nope, everything else is working
22:13.13alteregoqDebug ftw :P
22:13.31drackkim trying to better understand flashing my new nokia n900 before i go messing with the kernel
22:14.10MohammadAGalterego, commenting out all lines from the constructor also makes it hang
22:14.15drackkim kinda stuck at a small part at the moment. which binfiledo ineed?
22:14.23drackkneed*
22:14.55drackkwhich binfile do i need?
22:15.27alteregoMohammadAG: even the initializers at the start?
22:15.41drackkthe global bin file ?
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22:16.55MohammadAGalterego, yes
22:17.00drackkguys ?
22:17.11MohammadAGwhich makes me believe it's the .ui file
22:17.12alteregoProbably not the constructor then :P
22:17.19alteregoVery unlikely.
22:17.26MohammadAGit is the constructor
22:17.32MohammadAGI wrapped some lines with qDebug()
22:17.44MohammadAGthe constructor part never ends/returns
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22:18.11alteregoSounds like something else to me.
22:18.44drackkcansomeone please assist me ?
22:19.06alteregodrackk: yes, use the global bin file.
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22:20.52drackkok thanks. and what is the part about eMMC and FIASCO ?
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22:21.35drackkwhy would i want to flash those two images ?
22:21.42MohammadAG~flashing
22:21.42infobotmethinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
22:21.46MohammadAGit's all documented nicely there
22:22.18drackkyes im reading that rightnow and trying to make sence of that part with emmc and fiasco
22:22.30xd13hey there hasn't been a cssu update in a lil bit right? because i know i haven't updated
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22:24.27xd13latest being 20.2010.36-2maemo13
22:24.34xd13i hope ?
22:25.11drackkyes 1.3 right?
22:25.24xd13well ya 1.3 but how about cssu
22:25.36xd13i haven't updated cssu in at least a few weeks
22:25.58xd13thats wut i'm trying to find out if somehow i'm missing updates
22:26.47drackkwhat is cssu, im new   and just got my n900 yesterday
22:26.55MohammadAGyes, version 13
22:27.11MohammadAGversion 14 should be out this week
22:28.32drackkcan someone clear up the part about eMMC and FIASCO? why would i need to do this part?
22:28.40xd13u don't need 2
22:28.45xd13u can just get it over the air
22:28.45drackkok cool
22:28.46xd13but
22:29.01xd13i think its better to flash the thing fresh urself
22:29.22xd13and cssu is the community creating updates for the n900 even though nokia is no longer providing support
22:29.23xd13:D
22:29.41drackkoh ok
22:30.13drackkwhat do you mean flash it fresh ?
22:30.38xd13well
22:30.44xd13when u update its updating it
22:30.53xd13when u flash the image its as if u formatted it
22:30.57xd13if u flash both images
22:31.03xd13and follow the instructions
22:31.24SpeedEvil~cssu
22:31.25infobotwell, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
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22:36.44MohammadAGalterego, ui->setupUi(this); <-- is causing the hang
22:37.06MohammadAGso the .ui file has something wrong in it
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23:22.11MohammadAGSigh, I give up :/
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23:35.43oktopus20hi folks
23:36.31oktopus20can anyone  tell me how to clean  swappolube from my divace
23:38.50oktopus20hmm anybody here
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