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00:09.45ArGGu^^ovnicraft what site?
00:10.08ovnicraftmaemo.org
00:10.18ovnicrafti cant load it
00:10.29ArGGu^^so it seems
00:10.39ArGGu^^garage.maemo.org works :S
00:10.53ArGGu^^but maemo.org does not :S
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00:11.13ArGGu^^well maybe it will up soon
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00:15.07ovnicraftthanks
00:15.18ArGGu^^need to go to sleep, but can't I just upload my irc client to the autobuilder. Well hopefully I get results soon.
00:18.58ArGGu^^anyone tried nitdroid? I don't like android mostly because java, but have to face it ,android is going to be the most popular OS.
00:20.00ArGGu^^I was thinking to install it so I would have dual boot.
00:20.32ArGGu^^autobuilder failed :S
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00:21.29ArGGu^^hmm
00:21.46ArGGu^^odd problems seems to be the server not from my app :S
00:22.08ArGGu^^sql query failed
00:22.18ArGGu^^Repository not found. (fremantle)
00:22.20ArGGu^^hmm
00:23.54ArGGu^^make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo5/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.
00:24.17ArGGu^^hmm so there seems to be problem with the source :S
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00:35.47ArGGu^^hmm why is there qmake.conf? btw.
00:36.09ArGGu^^I added the makefile to source, but would the autobuilder do that automatically?
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00:36.39ArGGu^^hmm
00:37.03ArGGu^^anyone who used autobuilder with qt apps?
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00:37.15ArGGu^^does it run the qmake to create makefile?
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00:42.11ArGGu^^but of course I cant make the source without make file
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00:49.37ArGGu^^hmm used template rules file that was maemo forums, mostly difference seems that it had command to create the makefile.
00:49.43ArGGu^^well need to hope the best :)
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01:02.46ArGGu^^after 4 tries finally ok from autobuilder :)
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03:42.31Sazpaimon_ShadowJK, any chance of a backport to maemo then?
03:42.55Sazpaimon_or more like a cross-port
03:43.05ShadowJKlooks like drivers are a big issue
03:43.54Sazpaimon_definately, but if there are opensource drivers for meego, i dont see how they can't be ported tomaemo
03:44.03Sazpaimon_specifically the N900 if the GPU supports OpenVG
03:44.56Sazpaimon_and I dont see much talk of OpenVG being supported in MeeGo
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03:48.22ShadowJKYeah looks like there are no opensource OpenVG SGX drivers
03:50.32Sazpaimon_also, eglinfo on the N900 reports OpenVG as a client API
03:50.35Sazpaimon_not sure why
03:51.21Sazpaimon_there's an libOpenVG.so in /usr/lib
03:51.26Sazpaimon_but no development headers
03:51.53Sazpaimon_apt-file search libOpenVG.so doesn't return anything
03:52.20Sazpaimon_any clue why?
03:52.42Sazpaimon_there are these OpenVG libraries here, but no development headers to utilize them? What's up with that
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04:16.21Sazpaimon_well I just manually downloaded the OpenVG headers from khronos, let me see how it goes
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05:39.34chickenlovehey all, i'm just wondering which file the contacts are stored in on the n900, and what format it is? i'm looking to grep it as part of a script
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05:43.46ruskiechickenlove, evolution data server
05:45.33ruskieiirc
05:45.43ruskieanyway it's something not really grepable
05:46.40chickenl1veruskie: is there a way to make it greppable, or would i first have to find a way to csv export it? should i be able to pull strings then grep, or is it too much binary and not enough plaintext?
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05:47.10ruskiea quick look at ~/.osso-abook/
05:47.23ruskieit seems they are all berkley db formats
05:47.34ruskieno clue what you could grab from it though...
05:47.42chickenl1veno worries, i'll take a look into it
05:47.47chickenl1vethanks for the help ruskie
05:48.58chickenl1veruskie: seems strings produces decent info, and can be separated by "begin vcard" and "end vcard" statements, then grepped :)
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05:50.50ruskiehehe
05:51.01ruskieyou could probably get better results with the db tools
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05:51.16ruskielike db_dump
05:52.03chickenlovewasnt aware of them :P
05:52.07chickenlovei'll give it a look
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05:56.30chickenlovethanks again
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06:07.10Sazpaimon_well I got this openvg build of gnash compiling
06:07.22Sazpaimon_but the problem is I can't get openvg to paint anything
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06:50.31Venemo_N900morning all
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07:00.04pupnikfrozen veggies save me so much waste, it's worth the price premium.  plus they're all the choice parts
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07:36.43mecebwuahaha! Epic ysss post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=981386&postcount=160
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07:52.51Venemo_N900pupnik: why, what kernel did you have before that?
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07:56.24pupniksome power-kernel thingy Venemo_N900 - always much higher idle power (at stock speed)
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08:00.43Venemo_N900pupnik: really? power kernel eats more?
08:00.49Venemo_N900that's interesting
08:01.19pupniki dunno just sharing what my device is using
08:01.39pupnikand i think it's wonderful (got a script pinging the device every 20 sec)
08:04.57Venemo_N900heh
08:05.16Venemo_N900why not just use BatteryGraph or battery-eye?
08:06.34pupnikbattery-eye uses lots of power
08:06.42pupnikdunno batterygraph
08:07.03Venemo_N900mhm
08:07.29Venemo_N900well, I haven't noticed any changes from power kernel
08:07.37Venemo_N900I mean, in power usage
08:14.54Venemo_N900but I haven't really measured either
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08:25.14khertanVenemo_N900: i didn't put version number in the control file ... so should be the last
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08:25.32merlin1991X-Fade: ping
08:25.44Venemo_N900khertan: if you don't put a version number there, that means that any version is good
08:26.10Venemo_N900khertan: write it like this: libraryname (>= version)
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08:26.39chem|st/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/leds:lp5523:kb6/brightness nonexistent directory ...
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08:28.04Sicelohi everone. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2036652/microsoft-tells-developers-wp7-specific-css-files?utm_campaign=twitterfeed&utm_source=identica&utm_medium=social-media
08:28.21khertanVenemo_N900: thx ... i ll try
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08:42.52meceSicelo, *facepalm*
08:43.25Venemo_N900Sicelo: that's just ridiculous, but I can't say MS surprised me at all
08:44.18meceIt's remarkable how much work is done on n900 software
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08:45.18meceI don't have a terribly large amount of applications installed (ok I have a lot but not epic amounts), yet almost every day that yellow exclamation icon is blinking. I love that little icon. Makes me smile every time :)
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08:48.02Sicelohey mece Venemo_N900
08:48.17meceSicelo, \o
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08:50.26Venemo_N900Sicelo: :)
08:50.32meceis there a working method for syncing n900 calendar to some calendar software that works on desktop linux?
08:51.42Venemo_N900mece: I recall seeing some related stuff on TMO, but I wasn't interested at the time so I dunno.
08:52.01meceknows nothing about calendars and syncing, but would like to have some solution..
08:52.17ruskiesyncevolution maybe?
08:52.22Venemo_N900mece: search a bit on TMO
08:52.30Venemo_N900anyway I gotta go
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08:52.47meceruskie, I have that software, but I don't know what to use on the other end
08:52.59meceruskie, I have it on N900 that is.
08:53.09Siceloonly wishes he had N900 too :(
08:53.13ruskiethe other end you'll need a syncml server
08:53.20ruskiethe example thingy from opensync might help
08:53.29ruskiethen you can sync from there to whatever app(if it is supported)
08:54.09meceruskie, hmm.. ok I'll check what people are using on their linux desktops
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08:55.22mecehmm evloution suite, heh. Ok, one would think that'd work with syncevolution, since they share the name
08:56.58ruskiemight
08:56.59ruskieno clue
08:57.12mecewell, I'll just try it and report back :)
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09:03.37thpbugs.maemo.org down?
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09:04.33jacekowskimece: mail for exchange
09:04.39jacekowskimece: that's what i'm using
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09:04.49jacekowskimece: with zimbra and it syncs to any kind of shit
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09:07.50mecejacekowski, mail for exchange doesn't have a linux ring to it..
09:08.05jacekowskizimbra is linux software
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09:08.31mecethp, "It's just you.  http://bugs.maemo.org is up. "
09:09.33thpmece: had a db connection error, so technically it was "up", just not usable. anyway, working now ;)
09:09.55mecek
09:10.25mecejacekowski, so can I use zimbra as a server on my desktop and sync my phone against it somehow?
09:11.03jacekowskiwell, zimbra is quite heavy mail software
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09:18.53Termanagood morning
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09:23.43mecejacekowski, well I just want to sync calendar, todo and those things. The mails are on the imap servers, so no need to sync those...
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09:26.34jacekowskii think you can sync it with google calendar
09:26.37jacekowskior some syncml stuff
09:26.51jacekowskibut i prefer mfe and activesync because it's way better
09:27.14ruskieonly if you have something supporting that ;)
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09:47.08DocScrutinizer51DARN, dunno if it's 1.3's fault or CSSU, but that profile selector is fubar useless.  Has stupid [x]vibrate whicj I think is new, but doesn't show nor allow to activate any of my custom profiles created by tweakr :-(
09:47.10khertanX-Fade: Hello ... i ve try to promote KhtEditor which depends on python-pygments 1.4.0-4 but python-pygments 1.4.0-4 seems to be an older version and haven't been promoted ... Did you see any reason which prevent it to be promoted ?
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09:50.40DocScrutinizer51could anybody please confirm this profiles problem (or falsify)
09:50.41ruskieDocScrutinizer51, what profile selector?
09:51.10DocScrutinizer51duh, system menu, profiles
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09:52.30ruskieno clue about tweakr since I never used that but sysmenu does show vibrate here and iirc it used to do so since atleast 1.3
09:53.04DocScrutinizer51yeah but not pre13
09:53.21DocScrutinizer51anyway that's not my concern
09:54.03DocScrutinizer51all my custom profiles gone so only ones left are friggin default & silent
09:54.14DocScrutinizer51can't create new ones either
09:55.02DocScrutinizer51err I *can* create new, in tweakr, but they don't show up in selector
09:55.44DocScrutinizer51so that's a severe flaw regarding usability
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09:57.02DocScrutinizer51one of the things of the class  I was scared would need a downgrade back to 1.2
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10:07.36kwtmDocScrutinizer51: Hi.  Just got up.  I have PR1.2.  Need help confirming something in PR 1.2?
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10:07.45DocScrutinizer51dang, alarmed profile switching as well doesn't see any custom profiles
10:09.08DocScrutinizer51kwtm: I moved to 13 and CSSU, now no profiles other than silent & default
10:09.08kwtmI myself need help: how do I install package "screen" which is under "Fremantle SDK tools free armel"?  Do I just enable the repository, or do I need to install some SDK?  If the former only, I suppose somewhere on the web there are instructions on how to add that repository?
10:09.43kwtmDocScrutinizer51: I see.  Presumably CSSU is the custom thing (PR1.3.2.1.5.3. or something).  Can I check something on my system for you?
10:09.46DocScrutinizer51enable repo
10:11.33DocScrutinizer51install tweakr, create (safe) a custom profile, then see if it shows up in systemmenu profiles
10:12.54kwtmI've already installed tweakr, and I'm pretty sure it does show up in profiles, but will verify.
10:13.09kwtmI mean, I've already installed a custom profile, but let me verify that I did it with tweakr
10:13.45DocScrutinizer51also see if profile selector has (x)vibrate toggle
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10:17.19kwtmOk, under Settings > Tweakr > Delete profile, I see that it offers to delete several custom profiles that I now recall I did save using Tweakr.  (No, I'm not deleting any.)  Then under Settings > Profiles, I see that the settings are as I've changed them for my custom profile, but I am not sure how to verify that the current profile really is the one called kwtm1 (rather than "default" or whatever).  Then earlier today I just
10:17.20kwtmhappened to try out Alarmed for the first time and it did offer to switch between various profiles that I myself created (kwtm1, kwtm2, etc.)
10:17.33kwtmAm looking for where [x]vibrate toggle would be ... hang on...
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10:18.08kwtmAh, yes, under Settings > Profiles, it lets me select [x]vibrate toggle for each of "Silent" or "General"
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10:18.36kwtmI guess "Silent/General" are ... subprofiles within a profile?  modes?  It was very confusing (at first I thought those were actual profiles).
10:18.41kwtmDoes that help or should I check more?
10:19.59kwtmre: repository: would you mind telling me the name of the repository?  I can't seem to find in the wiki where the actual name of the "Fremantle SDK tools free armel" repository is.  Is it actually "deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free"?  THere is nowhere that explicitly says these refer to the same thing.
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10:21.27DocScrutinizerkwtm: system menu -> settings (actually "profile: default" or whatever)
10:21.41DocScrutinizermenu, not settings
10:21.47DocScrutinizersystray menu
10:23.19kwtmAhh..,. ok.  I do recall there were 3 seemingly similar but separate ways to get at the system thingmajigs: run the "Settings" program, press the "On/Off" button once, or tap on the ... I guess it's called the system tray.  Never actually found the official names for these 3 different ways to do things.
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10:24.26kwtmOk. Systray Menu > Profiles shows 4 profiles, of which 3 are clearly defined by me.  One is "Silent" (guess that's a built-in).  It says "select preset".  Not sure if a "preset" is the same thing as "profile" ... terminology seems vauge.
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10:26.35kwtmDoes that help or should I check more?
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10:29.13kwtmare you the brother of DocScrutinizer who was born in '51?
10:29.23DocScrutinizerN900?
10:30.14kwtmYes, N900.  Bought Jun 2010, if that matters.
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10:34.08DocScrutinizerkwtm: click (clock in) systray. there's a menu item with a 'cake' 1/4 red 3/4 white -> says "Profil: Allgemein" here (Profile: default / general") Click on it to get a popup menu that has just two items here: silent & general/default. It also has a "[x]vibration" next to each of the (two) items
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10:34.11DocScrutinizerN900 == RX-51
10:34.41DocScrutinizerkwtm: I missed some words and parsed that as <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Who was born in '51?
10:35.07kwtmDocScrutinizer: It was my attempt at humour.  Basically: why are there DocScrutinizer and DocScrutinizer51?
10:35.20DocScrutinizerthe one is N900
10:35.24kwtmpresumably RX-51 is the name of the variety of processor?  Or is that the version of Maemo?
10:35.26DocScrutinizerthe other desktop
10:35.43kwtmOhhhh.... I see.  So Rx-51 is where you're logged on from via the N900.
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10:35.59DocScrutinizerRX-51 is the internal code, while Rover is the internal nick
10:36.13DocScrutinizerrrright
10:36.33DocScrutinizerN900 is official
10:36.42DocScrutinizermarketing name
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10:39.09kwtmWhen I click (clock in) systray, there's a menu item with a 'cake' that says Profile: kwtm1 (which is the profile I'm using; I haven't used "default/general" in a long time).  When I click it, I get a popup menu that is as I described: "Systray Menu > Profiles shows 4 profiles, of which 3 are clearly defined by me.  One is "Silent" (guess that's a built-in).  It says "select preset".  In this menu I do NOT see [x]Vibration next to
10:39.10kwtmeach item.
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10:39.39kwtmTo get to the [x]Vibration setting, I have to do what I said before: "under Settings > Profiles, it lets me select [x]vibrate toggle for each of "Silent" or "General""
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10:39.49kwtm(which is NOT under the systray menu)
10:39.51DocScrutinizeryep
10:39.57DocScrutinizeras I expected
10:40.11DocScrutinizersomething changed there in 1.3 and fsckdup things
10:40.25DocScrutinizeror CSSU
10:40.32kwtmwhat is CSSU?
10:40.37DocScrutinizer~cssu
10:40.37infobot[cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
10:40.58DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: any comments? ^^^
10:41.10DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (profiles selector borked)
10:41.49DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: did we get some fixes on CSSU there, or is that a generic 1.3 *BUG*
10:42.11DocScrutinizers/fixes/"fixes"/
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10:43.46kwtmhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU says: "The requested operation could not be completed Connection to Server Refused"  but I guess it's the Community-Supported Something-or-Uther.  PR1.3+ ... aaaanyway.  Now manually updating the fremantle tools repository...
10:44.04DocScrutinizermaybe *somebody* with a plain 1.3 and custom profiles (or the willingness to install tweakr) could confirm?
10:44.37DocScrutinizerkwtm: yes, it's the so called PR1.3.3.7
10:44.49kwtmDocScrutinizer: :)  Nice nickname.
10:45.22DocScrutinizerand yes, there been reports this night about maemo.org down
10:46.23kwtmAnyone have any warnings against me installing "screen" from fremantle tools before I go ahead and do it?
10:46.37chem|stnope
10:47.19chem|stDocScrutinizer: what to check?
10:47.28jacekowskikwtm: works for me
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10:48.05kwtmIt says "package cannot be authenticated!"  (I'm going to go ahead and install anyway.)  I didn't realize we had GnuPGP key authentication?  Or is it just "warning! You are installing something not officially from Nokia"?  I don't recall seeing that warning with command-line apt-get installing any other package.
10:49.33kwtmjacekowski: I get, as part of the apt-get install process, "/var/lib/dpkg/info/screen.postinst: line 23: /usr/sbin/add-shell: not found".  Is that par for the course or is my setup borked (either due to or prior to this installation)?  What the heck is add-shell and why would the screen package maintainer expect me to have this program under /usr/sbin?
10:50.33jacekowskikwtm: just ignore it
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10:50.51jacekowskiit will work
10:51.04DocScrutinizerit's cause those pkgs are mainly intended for SB use
10:51.19DocScrutinizerchem|st: check profile selector
10:51.27DocScrutinizercustom profiles
10:51.33DocScrutinizernot showing up here
10:51.36DocScrutinizer:-((
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10:53.20kwtmjacekowski: Hmm... a bit rough around the edges.  In particular, starting "screen" spit out some message about "aborted due to window size change".  (I wonder what was aborted?).  It puts me in a window with shell prompt where it did not run my .profile and my aliases are all missing.
10:54.21kwtmMay be easier just to open up new terminal windows, but I'll just keep the package installed just in case.  Also something about missing a /var/run/utmp, whatever that is.
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11:01.11DocScrutinizer(nice nick) for PR1.4 I suggest calling matching CSSU PR1.4.7.3(2)
11:01.54DocScrutinizerthe "too late" CSSU
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11:13.14chem|stDocScrutinizer: in menu or tweakr?
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11:13.32DocScrutinizersysmenu
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11:14.19DocScrutinizer[2011-04-04 12:32:40] <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: click (clock in) systray. there's a menu item with a 'cake' 1/4 red 3/4 white -> says "Profil: Allgemein" here (Profile: default / general") Click on it to get a popup menu that has just two items here: silent & general/default. It also has a "[x]vibration" next to each of the (two) items
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11:14.33chem|stI just see silent but that is cause I did some stuff to it after the first install
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11:15.05DocScrutinizerthe oint is it doesn't show custum profiles anymore
11:15.13DocScrutinizerp*oint
11:15.17chem|stI don't see the vibrator [x] checkbox
11:15.49DocScrutinizerlemme up a screenie
11:15.51chem|stah ok so you wnat me to setup custom profiles to check right?
11:16.17chem|stthe general is a custom profile already
11:16.32DocScrutinizerright
11:16.42chem|stgeneral there is not the same general as in powerbutton menu
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11:20.03DocScrutinizerhttp://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10101
11:21.58DocScrutinizerfriggin powerbutton profile is just a toggle between silent and general?? BLARGH!
11:27.14DocScrutinizerI'm really wondering whom to spank for that selector menu nonsense (with [x]vibration). Power button profile isn't much better. Well ok, if it simply switches to "silent" and back to whatver been there before...
11:28.16DocScrutinizerchem|st: so you say on PR1.3 plain-vanilla there's no "[x]vibration" on profile selector profile items?
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11:33.14DocScrutinizerwhat really freaks me out is the fact alarmed also doesn't show custom profiles for function "change profile"
11:35.54DocScrutinizerso it seems sth on middleware changed as well
11:36.08DocScrutinizerwhich is *really* bad
11:36.20chem|stDocScrutinizer: there never was such thing for me
11:36.33DocScrutinizerwhich thing?
11:36.49chem|stcustomprofiles vibrator checkbox
11:37.00chem|stnot vanilla not cssu
11:37.04DocScrutinizeryeah, so it seems that's CSSU then?
11:37.09DocScrutinizerDUH
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11:37.25DocScrutinizeryou seen the screenie^^^?
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11:38.13chem|stDocScrutinizer: maybe I borked it initially as I deleted the general custom profile
11:38.44DocScrutinizertell me how to do that - I need to bork it as well
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11:39.20chem|sthehe
11:39.25chem|sthmm lmc
11:39.46DocScrutinizerFSCKNG need my custom profiles!
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11:40.19chem|stI deleted the general via tweakr's delete custom profile button
11:40.35DocScrutinizerhmmm
11:40.51DocScrutinizerthis * actually do the trickmight*
11:40.59DocScrutinizererrr
11:41.09DocScrutinizerthis *might* actually do the trick
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11:41.19DocScrutinizercurses touchpad
11:41.24chem|stdon't know I dont see anything but silent for customs and no vibrator buttons
11:41.54chem|stand have never seen any vibrator buttons
11:41.59DocScrutinizersome horsesh*t app I installed??
11:42.08chem|stcould be
11:42.14chem|stdrop a list
11:43.37DocScrutinizertweakr has neither default nor silent to delete, just my 3 custom profiles that none of them shows up in selector :-S
11:45.01chem|styou see a general in selector?
11:45.13chem|stlike in the pic?
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11:46.15DocScrutinizernope
11:46.53DocScrutinizer3 custom profiles in tweakr that all 3 don't show up. Nuttin else
11:47.48chem|stI mean in the sysmenu
11:48.11chem|stI would delete all deletable profiles... and check again
11:48.28DocScrutinizerin sysmenu I got ATM "Profil \n Allgemein"
11:49.01chem|stlike the pic you just showed?
11:49.03chem|stright?
11:49.05DocScrutinizercheck again for what? what could change by deleting profiles that don't show up in selector anyway?
11:49.12DocScrutinizeryes
11:49.16chem|stdon't know
11:49.35chem|stI deleted all customs and have only silent shown without vibrator checkbox
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11:49.41chem|stworth a try isnt it?
11:50.02DocScrutinizerther's evidently sth nasty happening, somebody messed around with that profile_select() function, whatever it is
11:50.15chem|stsure
11:51.45DocScrutinizernow I thought this system-menu.applet.so for profiles was a closed blob
11:52.42DocScrutinizerI got a nasty suspicion - I fuzzed around with system menu config
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12:29.16ArGGu^^http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/irggu/1.0.1/
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12:29.58ArGGu^^should I delete the maemo-ringtones-mr0 from the dependencies?
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12:30.34ArGGu^^It is there because in the default configuration I use the email ringtone as one of the alerts sound
12:30.52ArGGu^^but I could chage or disabla the sound on that alert
12:31.02ArGGu^^*disable
12:32.59pupniknice job, new tracker-indexer only causes very mild increase in current drain
12:33.37RST38hmoo pupnik
12:33.44ArGGu^^the package maemo-ringtones-mr0 is in the ssu and root repositorys
12:34.07ArGGu^^but the extra-devel shows missing dependencies
12:34.08pupnikhi RST38h .. a friend in bucharest is showing me pics of the awesome Gyros they have there
12:34.42RST38humgh
12:36.19DocScrutinizerMOOOMPFFF
12:37.41DocScrutinizerchem|st: reboot (and prior unedit of /etc/hildon-desktop/status-menu.plugins) fixed it
12:37.58chem|stok
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12:39.12DocScrutinizerHow The Freck can /etc/hildon-desktop/status-menu.plugins edit of X-Status-Menu-Position= mess up the profile-switcher in such a brainfsckd way ??? o.O
12:39.12ArGGu^^My package will stay on extra-devel as long it has missing dependencies? right?
12:39.54DocScrutinizerI won't probably vanish, yes ;-D
12:40.42DocScrutinizeron a serious note: you can't promote, I guess
12:40.53ArGGu^^:S
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12:41.45ArGGu^^kind of stupid when the package is installed by default on n900 :S
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13:02.33DocScrutinizerummpf, the ringtones?
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13:12.48piggzhow about cssu adding an option for ham to not automatically check for updates...just been abroad, and was carefult to turn off data roaming.  i decided to go on google once, and then bam, ham decided that becuase i had an active connection, it should do an apt-get update, costing £10 :)
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13:18.59chem|stpiggz: increase your autocheck interval to some years...
13:19.49piggzchem|st: is there an option for that somewhere?
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13:19.59chem|stpiggz: gconf
13:20.16piggzok
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13:20.47chem|styou need the cmd line for it or are you aware of its usage?
13:21.07piggzchem|st: i can probably work it out (its better that way for remembering :)
13:21.53chem|stpiggz: I do not remember it but the value is in minutes
13:22.44piggzchem|st: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check
13:22.49chem|st525600 for one year
13:24.01piggzchem|st: i'll remember for the next time i go abroad
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13:25.56chem|stpiggz: just edited it as it was actually a lie^^
13:27.43chem|stnow it reads properly to me (the command stays the same
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13:33.25piggzchem|st: the only remaining question there is if a reboot is required, or if it automatically takes effect?
13:34.24chem|stpiggz: no idea but restart the service or make it reload settings will do the job
13:34.34chem|st... as well
13:36.13RST38hwebOS VPof product development is bye-bye
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13:37.33alteregoRST38h: wasnt that the Nokia guy?
13:37.39RST38hNo
13:37.48RST38hA PalmOS oldtimer
13:37.57alteregoOh well,
13:39.40pupnikcan i do this in c?
13:39.42pupnik#define R1 7;$
13:39.42pupnik#define R2 R1 + 40$
13:40.00pupnikwonder how it's parsed
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13:41.11alteregopupnik: I don't think so no
13:41.35alteregoIt might work though, I'm pretty sure it wont :P
13:41.41RST38hpupnik:parsed to 7;$+40$
13:41.59RST38hWhy you would do this is an entirely different question
13:42.12alteregoI wonder if it's in the standard ..
13:42.28pupnikduh, sorry ignore ;
13:42.45alteregowonders about entering the meego coding competition.
13:44.36alteregoThink I will, and I've got just the app, muahahah
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13:52.00DocScrutinizermaemo emulator? :-P
13:52.43DocScrutinizernota bene a virtual box can't implement fixes to things that are borked in the hosting OS
13:53.31SpeedEvilDepends. If' tis' reimplimenting middle layers it can.
13:54.03DocScrutinizeras in "it's useless to emulate a NVIDIA hyperturbo on a system running on herkules gfx"
13:54.42DocScrutinizerfor sure the maemo VB can't implement proper power management on meego XD
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13:55.27DocScrutinizeralso emulation of a r-ts won't fly for c-ts devices
13:56.25DocScrutinizeryou may emulate the non-mt properties, but alas never the precision and sensitivity to non-sausage alike "stylus"
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13:58.08DocScrutinizerso better go for generic VMware, to run arbitrary OS under meego. You might earn bonus points to run winP7 under VMware then
13:58.23mtnbkrDocScrutinizer: re: my N900 microsd reader no working... I had a thought that when they "fixed" the USB/charger port they could have damaged the reader circuit/chip (they are very close togther), OR if they replaced a PC board with a new USB port that had a bad microsd chip... either way I think the repair people broke my microsd - will be calling them today :(
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13:58.57DocScrutinizeryeah :-S
13:58.58jacekowskimtnbkr: microsd pcb is connected permanently to main pcb
13:59.19jacekowskimtnbkr: they could have broke that
13:59.23DocScrutinizeryep
13:59.24jacekowskimtnbkr: do you have a meter?
13:59.29DocScrutinizercheck flashlight
13:59.30SpeedEvilFor example, a windows instance on a VM on linux can access a windows filesystem better than linux.
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14:00.36mtnbkryes, I do have a meter. what am I looking for?
14:00.58mtnbkrand they 'stole' my stylus. lol
14:01.21DocScrutinizermtnbkr: check flashlight and red video indicator light, they are on same daughterboard connected to main PCB via flimsy flex cable
14:01.27DocScrutinizeras the uSD holder
14:02.26mtnbkrDocScrutinizer: red LED seems to work.. was testing video SIP call last night... however, the front camer video was very dark - almost unusable
14:02.43DocScrutinizerI mean the red one at main cam
14:03.24mtnbkrand camer flash works.  do I explicitly need to use the "flashlight" app to test what you are asking?
14:03.32DocScrutinizerplus the twin white flashlight LEDs
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14:03.51DocScrutinizernah, when flashlight works that's "test passed"
14:04.08mtnbkrDocScrutinizer: I don't understand "I mean the red one at main cam"
14:04.44DocScrutinizermtnbkr: you got a small red-orange one next to flashlight LEDs for indicating video capture
14:04.56mtnbkrAh,,, jst tesed that. It is A-OK
14:05.19mtnbkrI NEVER saw that before since I rarely take videos, and when I do, I am on the operator side. :)
14:05.22mtnbkrbrb
14:05.29DocScrutinizeryeah :-D
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14:17.29mtnbkrOK, so camera flash LEDs work, orange LED works, USB/charger works - microsd reader no-workie, but was working fine when shipped out for repair. Can I safely 'blame' them for breaking it?
14:19.12kerioreflah before doing that
14:19.50viszis the back cover closed properly?
14:20.04viszmicro sd does not work if not
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14:21.52mtnbkrkerio: actually I already did... When I got it back, my main flas card was currupted... Some settings where still there other things were weird -  when I used the "File Manager" to view the MyDocs dir, there were just a ton of random characters etc... reflashing to default then restoring from backup go me a working system with all my old programs and settings... But All I get is I/O errors whenever a microsd card is plugged
14:21.53mtnbkrin
14:22.27mtnbkrI/O errors in dmesg output that is
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14:33.10DocScrutinizer>>Once again it's unclear how "we" is to be defined here, given last time it didn't actually include the Nokia half of the MeeGo architecture team. It's also unclear where, and with whom, the discussions took place (and whether the meeting minutes are public).
14:33.21DocScrutinizer>>It remains concerning that the governance described in the documentation still doesn't seem to match up with reality. As it stands, the closed-door unilateral direction certain things seem to be moving in isn't likely to encourage much in the way of outside contribution in the future. If the process is invisible and impenetrable, well, you're not going to get a lot of interest (excepting the negative sort).
14:33.25DocScrutinizerLOL
14:33.37DocScrutinizerquite to the point
14:34.09DocScrutinizerhttp://www.mwkn.net/2011/14/devel.html
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14:41.05RST38hDoc: So, more Nokia packages dropped from Mob^H^H^HMeego?
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14:44.20SpeedEvilwonders what http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets-accessories/wired-headsets/nokia-digital-radio-headset-dab/specifications is.
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14:44.27SpeedEvilI suppose it's almost got to be USB.
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14:47.48lardmanthere was a thread about that on TMO iirc
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14:48.04lardmanfrom a long while back
14:48.32GAN900RST38h, surprised?
14:48.58GAN900DocScrutinizer, glad you enjoyed it. ;)
14:49.37RST38hGAN: Not necessarily, but disappointed nevertheless
14:50.53lardmananything new or just a continuation of the last tranche of moves back to Moblin?
14:51.15RST38hlardman: sharing framework and a few other pieces dropped from meego 1.2
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14:51.39lardmanhmm
14:52.08RST38hQMSystem dropped too
14:52.24RST38hThis apparently includes access to all the sensors
14:52.52RST38hSee here: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/qmsystem/trees/master/system
14:52.57DocScrutinizerand an obscure "we" is evilly patronizing as usual
14:53.02lardmanand replaced with something?
14:53.05SpeedEvilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC7IY46x0HA reminds me of.
14:53.14RST38hlardman: nope
14:53.37RST38hlardman: to be fair, they are leaving the packages in the distro, but removing the boxes off the diagram
14:53.48RST38hSo, the stuff will be there, just not formally standardized
14:55.02DocScrutinizerhah, never thought i'd see my rant about missing proper system architecture evaluation and guidelines getting confirmation from real life so fast
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14:55.21donJ_hello
14:55.21zalebHay donJ_ leuk dat je wat zegt
14:55.34donJ_which phone run under maemo ?
14:55.48DocScrutinizern900
14:55.54donJ_does there other phone than n900
14:55.59DocScrutinizerno
14:56.18jacekowskin900 isn't a phone
14:56.21jacekowskiit's a tablet
14:56.34DocScrutinizerpleeeease, I can't stand it anymore
14:56.37donJ_?
14:56.55jacekowskidonJ_: n900 is a tablet
14:57.06jacekowskidonJ_: it's sold by nokia as a tablet not as a phone
14:57.23jacekowskihttp://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
14:57.30DocScrutinizerit's not sld by Nokia at all - your turn
14:57.32jacekowskino word "phone" used on that page
14:57.40RST38hcackles while reading http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit
14:58.04RST38hSince then, the disease has had time to progress...
14:58.04lardmanno
14:58.24RST38hN900 is a phone, I make calls with it. =)
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14:58.32RST38hHere, have a fit now!
14:58.32lardmanRST38h: ah I see, so changing the goal posts only, not so bad
14:58.33donJ_i have loose my n900 and it too expensive
14:58.44lardmanhmm, that was like a 10 line lag
14:58.48donJ_so i m sad there aren t any phone less expensive
14:58.57GAN900DocScrutinizer, I think it's quite clear who "we" is, but I'd like them to come out and say it.
14:59.01viszn900 is a bit uncomfortable to use as a phone
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14:59.05GAN900lardman, nope, exactly that. ;)
14:59.05viszatleast without headset
14:59.22donJ_yes but does there are one less expensive
14:59.30viszallthough E7 is a bit bulky too
14:59.36lardmanGAN900: not saying I like it mind you
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14:59.54DocScrutinizerGAN900: that'S exactly the point (well one of the..) I *do not like* to get shanghai'd
15:00.00donJ_and which phone can make run a linux embedd distribution ?
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15:00.46viszdonJ_, i think rather than it's a pocket linux that also has phone capabilities
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15:02.17DocScrutinizero/
15:03.03DocScrutinizermeh, smartphone is the widely accepted term for this device class
15:03.31viszthe term is irrelevant
15:03.46viszi'm talking about the use
15:04.00DocScrutinizernot about *my* use
15:04.12lardmannor mine tbh
15:04.34lardmanwith a larger screen then perhaps
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15:25.14sobczykI launched FM radio app, it hanged and now I can't kill ti even with 'kill -9' is there some way to kill app like that?
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15:29.34crashanddie_"it hung"
15:29.52crashanddie_sobczyk, if it doesn't die with kill -9 it means that something is in the way
15:29.59crashanddie_or that you're not killing the right process
15:30.11crashanddie_May I suggest rebooting?
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16:05.46FIQhrm...
16:05.49FIQinteresting
16:06.08FIQbefore, when my device decided it was time for me to flash (which it showed by not booting)
16:06.21FIQi used "chsh" to change shell
16:06.22pupniklol awesome, scratchbox's VI hilights "FIXME" in code
16:06.32FIQMaybe that's because it failed?
16:06.43FIQbecause er, I've always modified /etc/passwd manually, then it works
16:06.55pupniki've never tried chsh
16:07.06FIQI will not attempt "chsh" again, due to what happened for me last time
16:07.13pupnikthanks for the info
16:07.15FIQeven if it's said to be "the right way(tm)"
16:08.03pupniki change passwords with the 'passwd' command
16:09.12FIQMaybe it isn't "chsh" that did it, but then there was some nice timing there
16:09.25FIQbut well, modifying /etc/password always worked for me
16:09.29FIQs/or//
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16:10.32FIQbut tbh, i would like some way to actually see exactly what the problem for booting were
16:10.45FIQnot just a stuck loading screen D:
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16:12.16Sazpaimon_finally got xulrunner-dev built for maemo
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16:12.55troulouliouhi when using aircrack / kismet i can not see the right end of thez screen in xterm even with font size at 6
16:13.09troulouliouis there any way to have those apps full screen ?
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16:16.35ShadowJKsighs
16:16.50ShadowJKi regret upgrading laptop to ff4
16:17.07ShadowJKpageup/pagedown works like back/forward.
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16:17.22ShadowJKI just want a way to, like, scroll pages :(
16:20.37GAN900Spacebar?
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16:24.36ShadowJKalso home and end manipulates history rather than page
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16:25.27ShadowJKwtf
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16:30.42GAN900I hate it when developers decide to hijack keys with existing functionality.
16:30.45GAN900(Google)
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16:31.37troulouliouit is crazy my N900 had a battery life of 3 hours
16:31.42trouloulioui almost wante to drop it
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16:31.52troulouliouthen i  free lots of space in rootfs
16:31.57troulouliouand it is back to normal now
16:32.08ShadowJKthis isn't a Sun keyboard with "Back" and "forward" buttons, it says "Page up" and "Page down" on them, I want them to do that :(
16:33.25JaffaShadowJK: PgUp/Down work fine for me in FF4 (Win7). And I think they do at home in Ubuntu as well
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16:39.27ShadowJKYeah sometimes they work fine, sometimes not
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18:54.08tychHi, does anyone know if it possible to flash a n900 from a arch linux 64 bit os ?
18:54.49jacekowskiit is
18:55.08tychhow? it says it int possible
18:55.16tychso how do i go past it
18:55.59jacekowskiwhere does it say it's not possible?
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18:59.40khertantych: just require some ialib32
19:02.14tychwhere can i get it khertan
19:03.07khertanuse your package manager
19:03.11khertansorry didn't use arch
19:03.24khertanjust sure that it s works as i see it working on it
19:06.02tychCant find any info on that package
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19:10.01khorben_search variations of that name
19:10.19tychjust gives me a no such file or dir error when i give the command
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19:11.02tychwell, ive google alot of names but it doesnt give me anything
19:11.11tychwould be better if i knew what it was
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19:12.47khorben_compatibility libraries to run 32 bit programs on amd64 platforms
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19:12.58tycherror while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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19:13.41khorben_you need that one too apparently
19:13.47tychalready have it
19:13.59khorben_in 32 bit version?
19:14.04trouloulioudoes anybody here use xterm and not ossi-xterm ?
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19:14.46tychhow do i get it in 32 when my system is 64 ?
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19:14.57khorben_you install the compatibility libraries to run 32 bit programs on amd64 platforms
19:15.04khorben_including libusb
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19:16.52tychlibusb-compat ?
19:17.32tych<PROTECTED>
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19:19.52tychit doesnt ask specifically for a 32 bit libusb thats why its weird
19:20.02DocScrutinizerlibia32?
19:20.17tycherror while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
19:20.29tychwhen i do
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19:21.25DocScrutinizerhttp://www.google.de/search?q=libia
19:21.28DocScrutinizerhttp://www.google.de/search?q=libia32
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19:25.13tychNo it is ialib32
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19:26.28tychI think it has something to do with it not finding the n900 device with libusb
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19:27.40tychI guess Im fucked
19:27.56tychI just need it to reflash so the battery icon will work I have to do something else
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19:30.06jpinxdropping the n900 made it crash :(
19:30.30tychI get it
19:30.36tychIt doesnt mount in linux
19:30.42tychjpinx: Sheeeeeeeit
19:30.58jpinxI used to regularly drop my nokia 6310 and it never crashed
19:31.33jpinxunless the battery popped out on impact ;)
19:32.49jpinxand the n900 is very fussy about what charger it'll accept
19:35.19jpinxI can't find one without a cable so I only have one piece or wire to carry around
19:35.54jpinxs/or/of
19:37.13DocScrutinizerjpinx: :-o ??
19:38.05jpinxalso a car charger without cable
19:38.49jpinxthen one cable and 2 plugs covers all eventualities
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19:41.39DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=907080#post907080
19:42.18RST38hGoogle is tightening its control over Android in an attempt to standardize the platform. Licensees must agree to a 'non-fragmentation clause' that gives Google final approval over operating system changes, allegedly sparking complaints to the Justice Department.
19:42.52RST38hfeels kinda sorry for Google: whatever these guys do nowadays, it is met with scorn and conspiracy theories
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19:44.43DocScrutinizerjpinx: ebay should have an abundance of wallwart USB chargers that come without cable
19:45.34DocScrutinizeryou just have to open up and short D+/D- on 95% of those
19:46.14DocScrutinizerto make them work with N900 and CA-101
19:46.53DocScrutinizer(the middle two pins/contacts of the USB-A receptacle, in case you wonder)
19:47.12tychAnyone know how to get the battery icon back?
19:47.23tychThe battery icon tray notifier is gone for me
19:47.30cehteh`insert battery :P
19:47.33DocScrutinizerdepends on why it vanished :-)
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19:47.41tychI have no idea
19:47.45tychIt just went away
19:47.56tychI tried copying some battery icon files from a forum threa
19:47.58cehteh`well this is configureable with one of the tweaker programs, forgot which one and its name
19:48.02tychbut its still not showing up
19:48.36cehteh`is it just a theme issue .. or maybe unintentionally disabled in the status menu handler
19:49.12tychIve tried changing themes and even downloading new ones
19:49.18tychWhere is the status menu handler ?
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19:49.50cehtehwell looks rather like some theme issue then
19:50.04cehtehtried resetting to the default theme?
19:50.07tychYes
19:50.18cehteh(and be patient .. sometimes changing theme is slow)
19:50.21cehtehand then reboot
19:50.22DocScrutinizercheck /etc/hildon-desktop/status-menu.plugins and /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/status-area-applet-battery.desktop
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19:50.36tychthats the folder i copied all the image files to
19:50.54cehtehdo you have any battery status monitor from extras installed? desinstall it
19:51.33DocScrutinizerouch
19:51.41DocScrutinizerthen it's clear why it vanished
19:51.53tych?
19:52.20tychI http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68987 i did this
19:52.22tychdidnt work
19:52.28tychcopied that too hildon dir
19:53.14cehtehtry'n'error fuckup :)
19:53.35tychAlright
19:53.37tychI found the error
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19:53.56tychI had installed "advanced power"
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19:56.39tychDamn it
19:56.53tychNow i replaced the old battery icons with some shit icons instead
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19:57.21yaccWonder if there is a way to make the media searching service disregard some files?
19:57.22DocScrutinizertych: forget that, you're messing it up even more
19:57.46DocScrutinizerhttp://pastebin.com/QU13Sd4y <-is the /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/status-area-applet-battery.desktop
19:59.51DocScrutinizerthis is /etc/hildon-desktop/status-menu.plugins ->http://pastebin.com/Q9viguSG
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20:00.31yaccI mean, I don't want voice recordings in the media player, nor images that have been included in say a HTML based document, ...
20:00.51DocScrutinizerNB the .desktop points to an EXECUTABE (well, actially a linrary) :: X-Path=status-area-applet-battery.so
20:01.59DocScrutinizertracker-config, yacc
20:03.18DocScrutinizeryacc: tracker configuration app
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20:07.45dangergrrli am seriously wanting a pandaboard
20:08.58dangergrrli just don't know if it's fast enough for the augmented reality stuff i want to try to do
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20:10.43DocScrutinizeryou definitely want something with more grunt, esp at GFX accel
20:11.07tychan executable?
20:11.35tych/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon i replaced the icons there
20:11.41DocScrutinizertych: .so is a library that makes the battery icon display anything usefiul
20:11.53DocScrutinizerthat's not what you stated above
20:11.54mikki-ku1hey there guys... can someone tell me how i can tell the n900 to mark all instant messages received as read?
20:12.16tychtych: I http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68987 i did this
20:12.47DocScrutinizermikki-ku1: NFC, prolly not at all. At least for mail I found no such function :-/
20:12.53tychSo, now i need to replace them with the defaults
20:13.06mikki-ku1DocScrutinizer: i meant instant messages such like the ones received via skype
20:13.21mikki-ku1ohhh, wait, i d/c'ed again?! i'll be back in a moment
20:13.24DocScrutinizertych: if you already know what you need to do, why are you hanging around here asking?
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20:14.01tychbecause i want to get the default icons
20:14.10DocScrutinizer~flash
20:14.10infobotit has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
20:14.12mikki-kunand back
20:14.21tychWell
20:14.25tychAs I said before
20:14.48tychI tried getting it to work on 64 bit linux os
20:15.21DocScrutinizeryeah, you're obviously a special case
20:15.27tychFlasher doesnt want to work
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20:16.32DocScrutinizersteps back from PC. Maybe that pill has some strange side effects - been the first one since prescription been of today
20:16.52tychDo that
20:16.57tychYou aint helping anyway
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20:19.24dangergrrlflasher worked for me from 64 bit linux
20:20.50DocScrutinizertych: please don't get stupid
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20:20.57Jadedangergrrl,
20:22.28DocScrutinizertych: if you are pissing at people who try to explain things to you (and I know they were to the point and fact were correct)... You'll have a hard time finding help here
20:23.18tychdangergrrl: what did you do?
20:24.04DocScrutinizero/ dangergrrl
20:24.05mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: you don't recall a list which shows most of the dbus commands, do you?
20:24.20DocScrutinizerphonecontrol maybe
20:24.52DocScrutinizerfor sure not most of, but some
20:25.24DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
20:25.27dangergrrlx86_64 with multilib, it worked fine didn't have to do anything special
20:26.06DocScrutinizerand http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS
20:26.10tychFirst, I dont need you to explain to me what a .so file is, second if you go around calling people "special cases" you will have a hard time earning the respect of others
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20:29.56mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: thanks :)
20:30.11mikki-kunand nice move there ^^
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20:49.52jpinxDocScrutinizer51: not in Spain ;)
20:50.19jpinxand not all wall-chargers work with the n900
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21:05.59divansantanaAnyone have an idea on how to hack your phone so you can save to /home/user/* and not MyDocs. The "HildonFileChooserDialog"(I think) only says Nokia N900(/home/user/MyDocs) or Memory Card. This is useful to change after a repartition
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21:10.53yaccdivansantana, as a hackish solution that comes to mind would be ln -s /home/user /home/user/MyDocs and mounting MyDocs somewhere else?
21:14.08divansantanayacc: thanks,Hmm thats an option.. Otherwise I might umount MyDocs and simply mount /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM as the vfat partition, since I only need vfat for camera app I think
21:14.42yaccdivansantana, probably only if you want to access it from a host as a vfat filesystem?
21:15.24yaccI don't think that vfat offers that much over native filesystems. Possible but I don't think overly so.
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21:16.15divansantanaapparently the camera app doesn't work in ext3
21:16.24divansantanaonly reason i kept vfat
21:16.37divansantanaI don
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21:16.50divansantanai dont mind regarding accessing it via usb host
21:17.08divansantanai'll try my suggesting and see how it goes thanks :)
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21:18.06timeless_w7ipuacc: supporting cameras and host mode isn't "important"?
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21:18.27DocScrutinizer51yacc: divansantana bindmount
21:18.29timeless_w7ipthinks those are quite valuable
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21:18.39yaccDocScrutinizer51, yeah, that's even better. :)
21:19.04yaccdivansantana, what you probably need is MyDocs => many apps are configured to stuff data in there by default, ...
21:19.07timeless_w7ipdivansantana: why do you need files in ~ ?
21:19.08divansantanasupporting camera is important, host usb connect for me isn't since I copy most data over wifi.
21:19.14DocScrutinizer51symlinks seem not working on FAT
21:19.23timeless_w7ipfat doesn't have a concept of symlinks...
21:20.06FIQ|n900FAT = much compatibility
21:20.09divansantanabecause I repartitioned my memory so 27G is ext3 /home/user and 2 G is vfat /home/user/MyDocs as per wiki
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21:20.12FIQ|n900no other adventages
21:20.13yaccDocScrutinizer51, well, yes, vfat does not have a concept of inodes, the metadata is stored directly in the directory entry too, only one timestamp value with 2-seconds precision, and so on, ...
21:20.42timeless_w7ipfiq: simplicity is an advantage
21:20.45divansantanadid this so I can use kontact touch and store all my local mail which doesn't work on vfat and stores mail in ~/.local/share/akonadi
21:21.07yaccDocScrutinizer51, but this is rather stuff that will make apps requiring unix semantics fail on fat fs, but seldom make apps that expect vfat fs to fail on unix fs. ;)
21:21.10timeless_w7ipwhy won't mail work on vfat?
21:21.15FIQ|n900hmm
21:21.18timeless_w7ipyou could make ~/.local a symlink into MyDocs
21:21.27FIQ|n900can't you symlink the other way around at least?
21:21.38yaccDocScrutinizer51, the only thing that comes to mind, vfat is semi-case-insensitive, I have to admit that I have no idea how the Linux vfat.ko handles that, ...
21:21.50FIQ|n900i.e. from ~/foo to ~/MyDocs/foo
21:22.03timeless_w7ip~/foo to ~/MyDocs/.private/foo
21:22.22divansantanaakonadi doesn't start on vfat .
21:22.29timeless_w7ip"start"?
21:22.34timeless_w7ipyou don't run programs from vfat
21:22.43FIQ|n900hm
21:22.56FIQ|n900vfat doesn't have executable flags
21:23.08divansantanaakonadictl start fails.
21:23.16yacctimeless_w7ip, well, some classical pattern for non-locking safe access to files rely relatively strong on Unix semantics, e.g. everything that fails on NFS might fail on VFAT too.
21:23.26FIQ|n900IIRC, it will be "always on" or "always off" (or maybe always off?)
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21:23.44yacctimeless_w7ip, actually that's a question of mount options, but yes, usually it makes no sense.
21:24.09yacctimeless_w7ip, vfat has no concept of access rights (e.g. executable), hence these come from the mount option.
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21:25.32yaccWonder if the RadioTime client can be made to call a different player. Actually a script that inserts the URLs into the normal media player database would be enough, ...
21:25.48FIQ|n900hm
21:26.43yaccRadioTimeToGo is to jumpy with alternative streams. Seems the chances to get a really dead stream url are much better if you jump on problems, instead of just reopening the existing url, ...
21:27.21yaccsigh.
21:29.05FIQ|n900Autocapsing is pretty annoying sometimes (i've it turned off nowdays)
21:30.12timeless_w7ipyacc: why are you telling me this?
21:30.22timeless_w7ipdoes it sound like i don't  know this?
21:30.26timeless_w7ipdoes it sound like i care?
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21:30.36FIQ|n900There's only one way to (temporary) disable it in a context, that is, by holding shift when typing it (as shift will do lower letters when caps is on). No matter what you do, the setting will not go away (like on usually phones if you temporary want it off).
21:30.40yacctimeless_w7ip, wrong addressing ;)
21:30.46timeless_w7ipyacc: please be more careful
21:31.37FIQ|n900I always ended up writing (random letter), the letter, then removed the letter that weren't supposed to be there
21:31.37FIQ|n900I ended up shutting off it completly
21:31.47yaccFIQ|n900, well, actually, you can also type in 2 letters, and backspace the first one :-P
21:32.05FIQ|n900that was what i meant with <FIQ|n900> I always ended up writing (random letter), the letter, then removed the letter that weren't supposed to be there
21:32.07FIQ|n900:P
21:32.12yaccFIQ|n900, lol, my solution too, I turned it off :)
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21:35.58DocScrutinizer51you are aware shift will uncapitalize autocaped first chars?
21:36.14FIQ|n900yes
21:36.18FIQ|n900but only if holded
21:36.29FIQ|n900just pressing will not actually work
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21:36.32DocScrutinizer51not that it sucks less when knowing/using this
21:36.37FIQ|n900(as i expected it would)
21:37.11FIQ|n900and that doesn't really make sense
21:37.35DocScrutinizer51I disabled all that shit
21:37.42DocScrutinizer51auto-*
21:37.50DocScrutinizer51eat it!
21:38.23FIQ|n900I went into settings for text input and just unchecked everything except autocapsing
21:38.29FIQ|n900I though it would be useful
21:38.42FIQ|n900but w/o any good way to dodge it, I turned it off as well
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21:40.09timeless_w7ipheh
21:40.29timeless_w7ipauto complete isn't bad w/ auto comp editor
21:40.35yaccWell, I guess we are all slightly the hardware keyboard type of user, or we would be using a different device, ...
21:40.47timeless_w7ipyacc: well
21:40.51timeless_w7ip#maemo supports the 770/n800
21:40.57timeless_w7ipboth of which don't have hardware keyboards
21:41.11yaccBetter a better keyboard than all kinds of magic that bites one in the posterior :)
21:41.15FIQ|n900and also very old
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21:41.30yacctimeless_w7ip, well, and I wondered how I could turn off the softkeyboard, ...
21:41.32FIQ|n900and not commonly used anymore
21:41.51timeless_w7ipyacc: there's a checkbox in text input to do that..
21:42.03yaccGood idea ;)
21:43.23yacctimeless_w7ip, :) it has been already disabled, and seems like I do not need to open the keyboard when plugging into USB, ...
21:43.25yacc:)
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21:44.07DocScrutinizer51knightstalker: you might want to set up auto-authenticate, or disable nameserv enforce
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21:48.06yacctimeless_w7ip, well, autocomplete does not handle my usecase which includes using different languages with different people ;)
21:48.32yacctimeless_w7ip, German/English are similar but not THAT similar ;)
21:49.24timeless_w7ipyacc: dual dictionary?
21:49.35yaccAnd how do I use that?
21:49.38timeless_w7ipthere's a check box for it in text input
21:49.44DocScrutinizer51ctl-space *should# handle this, but seems is buggy
21:49.58yaccYeah, I know, but there is no documentation how to use it ;)
21:50.33timeless_w7ipin theory it should complete from both ...
21:50.39DocScrutinizer51it's simple: forget it
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21:52.24RST38hCtrl+Space does not change physical keyboard language. It is broken by design.
21:53.05RST38hTo make it change things, set second language to Russian, then modify the keymap. Yes, it is the only way [sic]
21:53.11DocScrutinizer51I found friggin autocomplete slows my typing down by factor 3 while causing double the keystrkes, blus migraine
21:53.25RST38hDoc: Switch it off? =)
21:54.22DocScrutinizer51you doon't think I used autocomplete last or this year, do you?
21:55.25DocScrutinizer51In fact it got disabled bfore battery had one full charge cycle :)
21:56.15DocScrutinizer51autocaps took like 6 weeks to die
21:56.33RST38hNo, I don't...
21:57.55RST38hHm, another tmo busybody asking for removing others' "privileges"
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22:15.51jigrap`is it possible to force reflashing of my n900?
22:16.04jigrap`i run the flasher and it doesnt do anything it just boots into the phone
22:16.12jigrap`I want to wipe out the install and do a fresh flush
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22:20.24SpeedEvilDoes the USB port on your phone work normally?
22:22.39jigrap`got it nvm
22:22.42jigrap`yea
22:22.53jigrap`for some reason it was rebooting itself
22:22.59jigrap`it will show the nokia sign
22:23.05jigrap`for a few seconds then reboot itself
22:23.17jigrap`i think i fixed it by taking out the battery
22:23.20jigrap`and letting it sit for a bit
22:23.25jigrap`now it seems to be flashing
22:23.29jigrap`not sure if it will clear everything
22:27.09jigrap`bummer it seems to have flashed it but the contents didnt get deleted
22:27.26nid0what contents
22:27.41jigrap`my customizations and stuff
22:27.45jigrap`and all the apps i installed to it
22:28.00nid0it didnt flash then
22:28.01jigrap`also it still has my pin
22:28.16jigrap`-F fiasco.bin -f -R ?
22:28.51ShadowJKThere are two flashing images. One flashes the rootfs, which only contains the operating system, no settings or user files are stored there. The other image flashes the emmc, which contains user settings and files. Pay attention to the instructions: if you flash emmc you must also flash rootfs image
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22:29.29jigrap`RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin its the one I used
22:29.31Clmbrhalo
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22:30.31jigrap`I guess I need the emmc one too
22:31.37ShadowJKI guess you could use a site such as pastebin.com to show us the output of your flashing attempt
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22:34.42jigrap`sure, http://pastebin.com/rwmDJMSn
22:35.41jigrap`I'm trying the emmc one now
22:46.39jigrap`the emmc didnt work either :(
22:46.52jigrap`i mean the process completed but it kept my settings
22:49.38ShadowJKvery weird
22:49.54jigrap`actually everything is gone but my pin
22:50.05jigrap`i was assuming everything was there because it kept my pin
22:50.07jigrap`my bad
22:50.28jigrap`sorry about this
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22:51.34ShadowJKpin is stored in the sim card
22:51.45ShadowJKlock code isn't erasable by flashing
22:52.00jigrap`no sim i think its the lock code
22:52.05jigrap`ahh ok
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