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| 08:27.42 | ZogG | [vvv |
| 08:27.47 | ZogG | hmm |
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| 08:28.32 | ruskie | anyway most of the music I have is in flac |
| 08:29.06 | ZogG | ++ |
| 08:29.14 | ZogG | xmms2> The Jolly Boys - You Can't Always Get What You Want ["Great Expectations" 2010] |
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| 08:31.03 | pupnik | boo @ not working |
| 08:31.05 | ruskie | hopes he'll have 50eur spare next month to finally buy a sansa clip+ |
| 08:31.22 | pupnik | whatszat |
| 08:31.59 | ruskie | portable music player |
| 08:32.17 | ruskie | with a minimal screen... that can run rockbox but already supports flac out of the box as well |
| 08:32.36 | ZogG | ruskie what about cowon |
| 08:32.41 | ZogG | d2+ |
| 08:32.50 | ruskie | ZogG, I prefer screenless or minimal screen devices |
| 08:32.56 | ZogG | it is |
| 08:33.16 | ZogG | it is so small that screen is irrelevant |
| 08:33.33 | ruskie | I have an apple shuffle 2g, samsung pebble(2 of these even)... |
| 08:33.40 | ZogG | i have n900 |
| 08:33.42 | ZogG | =) |
| 08:33.52 | ZogG | and ipod video that i don't use anymore |
| 08:34.00 | ZogG | battery there is pretty dead |
| 08:34.12 | ruskie | and no the d2+ has a screen |
| 08:35.20 | ruskie | http://www.sandisk.com/products/sansa-music-and-video-players/sandisk-sansa-clip-mp3-players <-- this is the clip |
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| 08:37.15 | ZogG | as i heard d2+ has really good qquality soubd |
| 08:37.33 | ZogG | and it clip has screen as well |
| 08:37.42 | ruskie | yeah 3 lines of it |
| 08:37.50 | ruskie | I don't want a video+utility+whatever extra thing |
| 08:38.16 | doc|home | you can install rockbox onto those too, for better support |
| 08:38.26 | doc|home | iirc |
| 08:38.57 | ZogG | ruskie, http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/457034/amp3-vs-cowon-d2-vs-sansa-clip |
| 08:39.12 | ZogG | you can have rockbox on both |
| 08:40.11 | ruskie | but of course finding a cowon d2 is another thing |
| 08:43.11 | ruskie | and of course the clip+ has something that the cowon d2+ lacks... physical buttons to control it |
| 08:43.14 | ruskie | which is a must for me |
| 08:43.36 | pupnik | configure still tells me i have no ogg support but i compiled the testcode fine |
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| 08:44.56 | pupnik | n900 makes a nice music player when the speakers work |
| 08:45.23 | ruskie | it works but frankly I want to save the power for when I actually need it and not waste it on music playing |
| 08:45.30 | pupnik | yeah i understand |
| 08:49.42 | ruskie | if I don't use it for all day music playing I can get 4 days out of it... if I do it's more like 13-16 hours or so |
| 08:50.21 | pupnik | why would i get 'multiple definitions of...' in scratchbox but not on my host? |
| 08:51.00 | pupnik | ruskie: that's one reason to use a low power mp3 player btw... one that bypasses pulseaudio |
| 08:51.09 | ruskie | yup |
| 08:51.32 | ruskie | though haven't really monitored how much cpu time xmms2 is taking for me |
| 08:52.00 | pupnik | but i agree on the powersaving |
| 08:52.24 | pupnik | i would use the E71 for music+phone, except it doesn't work with my sim card (and the n900 does :P) |
| 08:52.27 | pupnik | strange world |
| 08:52.39 | ruskie | I could use the n95... but that has issues of it's own... |
| 08:54.07 | ruskie | of course the clip+ isn't much better on the battery use but iirc with rockbox one can get 18h+ |
| 08:54.27 | ruskie | I think it's actually better with the rockbox than with the original firmware |
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| 08:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
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| 09:08.21 | pupnik | can i ignore 'multiple definitions' error in make? |
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| 09:26.42 | pupnik | aha it's due to the include.h |
| 09:26.42 | pupnik | any .c file that includes include.h creates multiple definitions with all other files |
| 09:26.42 | pupnik | so the compiler barfs at the first .c file with include.h, saying all other files have redifinitions of something in that file |
| 09:26.44 | pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/112117/ |
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| 09:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: AIUI that's why you got those #ifndef foo; #define foo; at beginning of every .h |
| 09:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | an age old hotfix to a stupid problem |
| 09:37.16 | pupnik | i think i see |
| 09:38.12 | pupnik | why do they write #ifndef __INCLUDE_H instead of #ifndef INCLUDE_H ? |
| 09:39.38 | pupnik | so that's why all function prototypes were visible in all the files |
| 09:44.12 | alterego | Because it looks cool |
| 09:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: it's irrelevant (afaik) if it's INCLUDE_H, __INCLUDE_H, or foobarboo. It just has to be same unique string in #ifndef and next line #define |
| 09:45.27 | pupnik | why does it compile on x86 but not in sb? |
| 09:46.11 | pupnik | gcc version 4.2.1 |
| 09:46.22 | pupnik | and in x86 gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-10) |
| 09:49.15 | pupnik | i might have to redo the includes for the whole source tree |
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| 09:51.38 | Venemo | pupnik, can you show me that .h file? |
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| 09:51.44 | Venemo | pupnik, pastebin it |
| 09:51.44 | pupnik | yes |
| 09:53.24 | pupnik | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/360280/ |
| 09:53.26 | pupnik | Venemo: |
| 09:53.54 | pupnik | remember: works fine in x86 |
| 09:55.19 | SpeedEvil | what's the error? |
| 09:55.52 | Venemo | pupnik, looks fine. hm. |
| 09:56.05 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, he's getting multiple redefinitions error |
| 09:56.09 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 09:56.13 | pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/112117/ |
| 09:58.23 | alterego | did you do a make clean before hand |
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| 09:58.49 | alterego | Oh, I see. |
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| 09:59.31 | pupnik | yeah make cleaened |
| 09:59.44 | pupnik | cleaned a few times just out of frustration |
| 10:00.23 | rcg | lol |
| 10:00.24 | alterego | Why is it compiling .o? |
| 10:00.32 | SpeedEvil | make reallycleanincludingthebugs |
| 10:01.46 | alterego | make distclean && make disinfectant? |
| 10:01.50 | Venemo | lol alterego |
| 10:03.05 | alterego | Venemo: did you see Sage's video of the MeeGo tablet ux running on the N900 |
| 10:03.19 | alterego | I booted it up, looks super impressive :) |
| 10:03.29 | Venemo | alterego, not yet, but I've seen da TMO thread about it :) |
| 10:03.31 | alterego | And it's all qml :D |
| 10:03.36 | Venemo | alterego, it looks awesome |
| 10:03.45 | MohammadAG | I'm so failing my driving test |
| 10:04.36 | robbiethe1st | ? |
| 10:04.57 | Venemo | alterego, Sticky Notes has been downloaded 94641 times :P |
| 10:05.01 | robbiethe1st | 'cause you answered "Yea, just run that red light" on some question? |
| 10:05.01 | Venemo | MohammadAG, :( |
| 10:05.09 | pupnik | CCLD = $(CC)$ |
| 10:05.11 | pupnik | LINK = $(CCLD) |
| 10:05.19 | pupnik | alterego: |
| 10:05.32 | alterego | lame |
| 10:06.07 | MohammadAG | robbiethe1st, practical test |
| 10:06.19 | MohammadAG | cause I didn't look in the mirror when overtaking someone |
| 10:06.34 | Venemo | MohammadAG, _always_ look into the mirror! |
| 10:06.57 | MohammadAG | so how do I drive? :P |
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| 10:07.44 | robbiethe1st | They didn't tell you your score immediately? |
| 10:07.53 | alterego | Heh, |
| 10:08.25 | alterego | robbiethe1st: his tester passed out and was taken to hospital. |
| 10:08.32 | robbiethe1st | Ouch |
| 10:08.47 | alterego | truma |
| 10:08.51 | robbiethe1st | Seriously? |
| 10:12.27 | alterego | Do I look serious? |
| 10:13.35 | robbiethe1st | I don't know; I can't see you |
| 10:14.03 | alterego | I'm as serious as a kick in the testicles. |
| 10:15.06 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: you are supposed to know what is around you all the time |
| 10:15.41 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: as in look into the mirrors every couple seconds |
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| 10:16.24 | jacekowski | and check your blind spots |
| 10:16.42 | jacekowski | blind spot thing was something i learned on my test |
| 10:20.33 | alterego | You learned that on your test? You must have had an awful teacher :P |
| 10:24.48 | jacekowski | i took first test without taking any lessons before |
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| 10:26.18 | alterego | Oh |
| 10:26.30 | sid | is there a *'any hardware channel |
| 10:27.03 | sid | specially rs232 |
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| 10:28.50 | jacekowski | where? |
| 10:28.52 | jacekowski | on n900? |
| 10:28.56 | jacekowski | there is under battery |
| 10:29.04 | jacekowski | but it's uart |
| 10:29.07 | jacekowski | not rs232 |
| 10:29.18 | jacekowski | you have to convert it to rs232 levels |
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| 10:30.29 | SpeedEvil | or bt-serial |
| 10:32.23 | auenfx4 | awesome, i added 2 desktop shortcuts with my ear whilst on a phone call |
| 10:32.53 | auenfx4 | (airport and alarmd if you were wondering) |
| 10:34.03 | robbiethe1st | broke the proximity sensor? |
| 10:35.15 | auenfx4 | dont think so |
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| 10:39.19 | auenfx4 | needed to reboot to make prox to work again tho ;) |
| 10:41.41 | DocScrutinizer | hah, that gives me some ideas for this boring saturday. Finally investigate what's those frigging testpoints *really* |
| 10:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | auenfx4: LOL |
| 10:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: probably his ears nead some cleaning *urgently* ;-P |
| 10:43.04 | robbiethe1st | heh |
| 10:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | we had the discussion of prox sensor is sensible to color of your skin, some months ago :-D |
| 10:44.39 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: That reminds me. How about an app that, after say 1 minute of the screen being off(i.e. 'standby mode'), it runs powertop or the like, and if some user application's still using CPU, kill it. And when the user wakes up the device, it displays a message. |
| 10:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: sounds awful |
| 10:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer fixing the offending rogue app rather than put it under supervision |
| 10:45.56 | robbiethe1st | Why? I, and I assume other people run into problems where occsaionally something like browserd will keep draining battery overnight |
| 10:46.03 | robbiethe1st | even with it not visible |
| 10:46.29 | robbiethe1st | I mean heck... -can- we even fix browserd? |
| 10:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | sure, some general sanity monitor couldn't hurt |
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| 10:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | there's a similar thing been on KDE3, can't recall the name |
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| 10:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | ohm/oom or hildon-dektop or whatever does similr thing, and asks you "XYZ doesn't react! Kill?" |
| 10:49.29 | robbiethe1st | Yea, I suppose |
| 10:50.00 | Arkenoi | and why the hell to we need browserd at all, why not switch to some lightweight webkit browser completely |
| 10:50.16 | robbiethe1st | Hm... Out of curiosity, can we 'pause' applications on Maemo? Like lock it so it's state is frozen and no more code can be run? |
| 10:54.25 | robbiethe1st | hm... "kill -stop *pid*" and "kill -cont *pid*". Hey DocScrutinizer , do we have any daemon or anything that'll run a command when the screen is locked or the hold-switch is used? |
| 10:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripting |
| 10:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure you won't like the results of kill -SIGSTOP |
| 10:56.24 | robbiethe1st | It seems to work on the browser; when it was stopped, it wouldn't react(though scrolling still worked, for some odd reason)... |
| 10:56.56 | robbiethe1st | and when I used continue, it -started- responding.. |
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| 10:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | meh, you'll see major obstacles, and the whole thing won't give you what you planned it to do |
| 10:57.41 | robbiethe1st | Hm, possibly. |
| 10:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's a fubar concept really |
| 10:58.36 | robbiethe1st | It might, however, be able to pause browserd and keep it from taking resources when in sleep. Which is what I really care about |
| 10:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | if an app is constantly eating CPU cycles, then it's either doing so for some good reason, or it's broken by design and needs proper fixing honestly |
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| 11:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | and stopping processes doesn't mean the resources get freed, au contraire |
| 11:00.30 | robbiethe1st | 'resources' meaning CPU. I'd assume memory from the used process would get swapped out? |
| 11:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | if you got a runaway browserd, the sigkill or sigint it |
| 11:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: nah, I'm not going to discuss the plethora of ways this concept is doomed to fail at |
| 11:01.24 | robbiethe1st | Problem is, I've no real clue when it's working right and when it isn't. And heck, if I could somehow make it that I could leave browsers -open- without draining my battery doubley-fast... |
| 11:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | just one thing: message queues |
| 11:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | mutex |
| 11:01.54 | robbiethe1st | For browserd? |
| 11:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | IPC |
| 11:02.52 | robbiethe1st | Meh. I'll just test it, see what happens. if it works manually, I'll see about setting up an auto-launcher. |
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| 11:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | do whatever you want, but don't get disappointed when it doesn't work or later on people shout at you for breaking their whole system |
| 11:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you take a look at CPU quota, and dbus-scripting calling a killall browserd on tklock |
| 11:05.53 | robbiethe1st | Fair enough. Though, how would -you- fix browserd? |
| 11:06.06 | robbiethe1st | on.. tklock? |
| 11:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | I've not seen any need to fix it |
| 11:07.19 | robbiethe1st | Oh; that explains it then |
| 11:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen browserd eating some 400MB of memory and never releasing it, when you kill the browser-ui via "doesn't answer! kill?" |
| 11:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | but never seen browserd itself eating CPU constantly |
| 11:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | except for this frigging swapping involved by 400MB mem alloc |
| 11:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | flash otoh is notorious to eat CPU constantly, even while in background |
| 11:11.31 | robbiethe1st | I installed the flash-blocker script; haven't had any trouble after that |
| 11:12.03 | robbiethe1st | Thing is, sometimes I wake up in the morning(I charge my n900 before I go to bed) and it's at like 50%, while other times it's at 80-90. |
| 11:12.20 | robbiethe1st | I've checked powertop on the former, and it shows browserd eating some chunk of the pie |
| 11:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | browserd is needed for several systems (messaging, mail, conversations, whatnot). Prepare for other processes run away or break or whatever when stopping the associated browserd |
| 11:14.54 | robbiethe1st | Hm, that'll be interesting.. |
| 11:15.29 | robbiethe1st | Heck, I may want to just pause them too - considering I have it on /offline mode/, it shouldn't be doing much of /anything/ other than updating the clock. |
| 11:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | you'll run into a deadlock hell when stopping arbitrary random processes without understanding what and why they do |
| 11:16.27 | robbiethe1st | Hm. |
| 11:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | honestly that's not the right way to put things straight |
| 11:18.27 | robbiethe1st | The /right/ way is to have it all OSS and /fix/ it, that I know. |
| 11:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | you think you fix one issue while in fact you introduce 7 new ones |
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| 13:09.56 | RST38h | Moo all |
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| 13:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: moo |
| 13:16.09 | RST38h | Doc: Arrre we having a meltdownnnn? =) |
| 13:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | since >10day aiui |
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| 13:21.40 | khertan | Hello ! |
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| 13:24.12 | voltagex | hi, on my N900s dmesg I'm getting a large number of attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 13:25.03 | voltagex | for the internal memory I think - mmcblk0p1 |
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| 14:01.40 | cyrix | Hi, has anyone a idea how to turn on the led on the back of the n900 via ssh? (so the xterm command is what i need) |
| 14:03.04 | lcuk | cyrix, ? the camera torch and/or the privacy red light thing? |
| 14:03.58 | cyrix | lcuk, ähm :) I think I mean the bright one - so the camera torch? |
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| 14:06.51 | SpeedEvil | cyrix: Install 'flashlight' |
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| 14:07.29 | lcuk | cyrix, it is controllable by talking to the low level V4L2 api (and whatever other mechanims ontop), SpeedEvil flashlight is a UI app and not command line |
| 14:07.29 | SpeedEvil | cyrix: then oprern the shutter, dismiss the camera, open the menu by clicking on the status area, then click flashlight. |
| 14:07.36 | SpeedEvil | I know |
| 14:07.44 | cyrix | lcuk, ähm :) I think I mean the bright one - so the camera torch? |
| 14:07.45 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 14:07.49 | cyrix | so wrong one |
| 14:07.57 | cyrix | I need to turn it on via ssh |
| 14:08.09 | SpeedEvil | I had v4lctl somewhere that worked with the right arguments |
| 14:08.17 | lcuk | yes SpeedEvil it does |
| 14:08.28 | cyrix | So how do I talk to the api? |
| 14:08.48 | lcuk | with code. |
| 14:09.10 | lcuk | cue Samuel L Jackson quote |
| 14:09.26 | cyrix | lcuk, I assumed that :) |
| 14:09.35 | SpeedEvil | cyrix: there is no real 'turn flashlight on' API |
| 14:09.41 | lcuk | cyrix, find the v4lctl app that SpeedEvil mentioned |
| 14:09.42 | SpeedEvil | It's really subsumed under the camera control. |
| 14:09.55 | lcuk | it does have a turnflashlight on parameter |
| 14:10.22 | lcuk | cyrix, problem is that v4lctl is a helped app within a larger package |
| 14:10.32 | SpeedEvil | Whichwill only work if nothing has /dev/video0 open - which rthe camera app will if the shutter is open. |
| 14:10.37 | lcuk | the larger package has to my knowledge not been full ported/made available in -devel yet |
| 14:10.59 | SpeedEvil | Which reminds me I keep meaning to drill out a couple of holes in my camera shutter so it works with the flashlight when closed. |
| 14:11.36 | cyrix | SpeedEvil, is there a possibily to use /dev/video0 and the camera torch? |
| 14:12.02 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean by that? |
| 14:12.23 | SpeedEvil | There is also a app that lets you turn on/off the light, and focus while cam is on |
| 14:12.24 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, hint: just keep the shutter open |
| 14:12.47 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/ |
| 14:13.03 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I don't want to get fingerprints on the lens. |
| 14:13.08 | SpeedEvil | That is annoying. |
| 14:13.25 | cyrix | I think about using a video straming app and the flash light to control a roboter remotely. The roboter reacts with light. so I need the video image to see and the light to control. Hope the concept is understandable |
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| 14:13.53 | SpeedEvil | read source of lfocus |
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| 15:53.21 | pupnik_ | http://qikr.co/f6cwb lol @ windows error (sfw) |
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| 16:56.16 | mintux | I want to upgrade my N900. my question is when last version of meamo released ? and I copied everything on my phone in my computer. also the contents of /home/user my question is where is messages (conversation ) and contact folder ? |
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| 16:57.28 | mintux | and is it possible to change my partitions ? because I don't want fat and I preferred ext3.so when should I change my partitions ? before install new maemo or after that ? |
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| 17:01.11 | pupnik_ | hi mintux |
| 17:01.26 | mintux | pupnik_:hi dude |
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| 17:01.50 | pupnik_ | 1) don't know 2) don't understand 3) which partitions? |
| 17:01.59 | mintux | :-D perfect |
| 17:04.23 | LeakyPug | hey guys.. |
| 17:04.34 | mintux | pupnik_: each settings and everything has a folder or directory . fore example Thunderbird has a mail directory that store mails on it.so there is a directory stored messages in conversation such as sms and IM's so that I want to know where is that. also contacts has a setting directory certainly |
| 17:04.50 | LeakyPug | I tried installing NITdroid (gingerbread) and ended up in some mess.. |
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| 17:05.46 | pupnik_ | mintux: maemo has a backup/restore facility, you should use that |
| 17:06.18 | mintux | pupnik_: I don't sure backup messages .just contacts I think |
| 17:07.24 | mintux | pupnik_: in N900 there is two memory.one of them is 250MB I think that installed maemo and 32GB that deviede two 2GB ext3 and another fat32 for recognize in windows . but I don't want fat and I prefer have ext3 partition |
| 17:10.10 | mintux | are there another backup tools ? |
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| 17:11.37 | pupnik_ | mintux: talk.maemo.org "full backup" |
| 17:11.49 | pupnik_ | backup/restore applications and preferences |
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| 17:12.00 | pupnik_ | i do not support you breaking your device with filesystem changes |
| 17:12.03 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 17:12.10 | mintux | :-D |
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| 17:12.44 | mintux | pupnik_:it's just a partition table . a file |
| 17:12.45 | lcuk | hmm for people who do not want fat on their n900 maemo, shouldn't there be a diet/yoga/fitness dvd? |
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| 17:13.13 | mintux | pupnik_: and can restore I think |
| 17:13.44 | pupnik_ | a recent study estimates that americans consume 3 billion litres of petrol per year due to their overweight bodies making their cars work extra schlepping them around |
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| 17:14.08 | timeless_xchat | pupnik: don't worry, we're exporting that habit too |
| 17:14.19 | LeakyPug | Hey guys. |
| 17:14.25 | timeless_xchat | the eu will catch up in about 5 years |
| 17:14.32 | pupnik_ | i have read this |
| 17:14.58 | lcuk | it would catch up sooner, but it got out of breath running. |
| 17:15.09 | timeless_xchat | btw, the largest chain is no longer McDonald's |
| 17:15.40 | LeakyPug | I installed multiboot,nitroid installer and rebooted.. bussssssssss... all my maemo settings gone and no android either. |
| 17:15.59 | timeless_xchat | we replaced it with Subway recently |
| 17:16.23 | SpeedEvil | yays at reducing the UKs statistics on weight by around 500nanograms/capita |
| 17:16.23 | lcuk | LeakyPug, sounds like your install leaked out |
| 17:16.31 | LeakyPug | tried to restore the backup,but still power kernel is not loaded.. |
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| 17:16.45 | lcuk | timeless_xchat, not unsurprising |
| 17:16.45 | LeakyPug | and many other setups are not restored. |
| 17:17.01 | timeless_xchat | really? i was amazed to hear it |
| 17:17.07 | lcuk | easier to setup a sandwich franchise that does not require the dedicated kitchenspace to same degree |
| 17:17.18 | lcuk | we have one in our local garage !? |
| 17:17.22 | timeless_xchat | i know there are a couple Subway's here |
| 17:17.41 | timeless_xchat | actually, they bake their own breads |
| 17:17.44 | lcuk | timeless_xchat, mcd requires large friers etc |
| 17:17.44 | SpeedEvil | There is one in my local town centre. |
| 17:17.55 | LeakyPug | anyway that i can revert back to the pre-nitdroid state? |
| 17:17.57 | thresh | oh. does anyone know of dlna av servers to be run on n900? |
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| 17:19.09 | mintux | when N1000 come ? |
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| 17:19.13 | mintux | :-D |
| 17:19.21 | mintux | with meego |
| 17:19.57 | LeakyPug | and i cannot use HAM or fapman or even the terminal apt-get |
| 17:20.16 | LeakyPug | dpkg gets locked.. |
| 17:21.30 | timeless_xchat | mintux: vendors like to make announcements according to their own schedules |
| 17:21.48 | timeless_xchat | in open source, it's traditional to say "when it's ready" |
| 17:22.31 | timeless_xchat | leakypug: you could reflash and restore from backup ;) |
| 17:23.05 | timeless_xchat | you did make a backup before installing something incredibly dangerous, right? |
| 17:23.24 | lcuk | LeakyPug, download the flash images and reformat machine |
| 17:24.48 | timeless_xchat | ask for sympathy and run... |
| 17:24.53 | timeless_xchat | ...great tactic |
| 17:25.09 | lcuk | always |
| 17:25.17 | lcuk | how is your Sunday timeless_xchat ? |
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| 17:25.52 | timeless_xchat | good, i'm watching. .. |
| 17:26.18 | lcuk | watching what? |
| 17:26.42 | mintux | new picture of N1000 http://www.hardware.sk/materials/user17/nokia-n-1000-1.png :-D in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35529 . I can't wait too |
| 17:27.17 | timeless_xchat | for your eyes only |
| 17:27.28 | timeless_xchat | actually, having dinner, will return later |
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| 17:31.10 | andre__ | mintux: plus more than two years old. yawn... |
| 17:31.19 | mintux | yeap |
| 17:31.31 | mintux | but it was funny |
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| 17:33.44 | timeless_xchat | lcuk: my ideapad went to sleep :) |
| 17:34.36 | timeless_xchat | if i don't give it constant attention, that's what i get :) |
| 17:37.10 | timeless_xchat | lcuk, on the topic of weight. .. |
| 17:37.11 | timeless_xchat | http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/24/news/la-heb-religion-weight-20110324 |
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| 17:39.13 | RST38h | Jesus ripening His flock? What is wrongwith that? =) |
| 17:40.32 | timeless_xchat | heh |
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| 17:45.45 | SpeedEvil | Sheep that safely overgraze? |
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| 17:58.04 | mc_teo` | anyone know whats happened to Rizon? |
| 18:01.27 | dangergrrl | if you have an n900 in the states it may be a good time to get in on a new long term contract before att cuts tmobiles unlimited data plans :) |
| 18:01.29 | Sazpaimon__ | can I figure out my sim card number from my phone itself |
| 18:01.34 | Sazpaimon__ | without turning it off |
| 18:02.24 | dangergrrl | Sazpaimon__: almost certainly, try the settings app, i have no clue how |
| 18:02.37 | dangergrrl | or maybe you can cat /proc/something from a shell :) |
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| 18:03.34 | mece | \o |
| 18:04.27 | dangergrrl | Sazpaimon__: if you wait a few someone who does know how will likely answer |
| 18:04.38 | dangergrrl | i only know that you almost certainly can |
| 18:04.54 | Sazpaimon__ | its okay, I already turned it off to get the number |
| 18:05.01 | dangergrrl | oh :P |
| 18:05.52 | dangergrrl | i screwed up my boot scripts and ended up reflashing my rootfs a couple of weeks ago |
| 18:06.22 | dangergrrl | had to go find the box to get my imei, n900 was crashed and the tiny print inside it was too small to read |
| 18:08.27 | Sazpaimon__ | yeah I know how to get the imei |
| 18:08.34 | Sazpaimon__ | but the simcard number is another story |
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| 18:09.12 | Sazpaimon__ | might be a dbus-send command |
| 18:10.01 | dangergrrl | it's only logical that it must be able to get the number to use the card |
| 18:10.24 | SpeedEvil | What number? |
| 18:10.29 | dangergrrl | sim card |
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| 18:10.58 | SpeedEvil | You mean the IMSI? |
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| 18:11.33 | dangergrrl | i dunno, Sazpaimon__ was asking but he opened it and read it off his sim card instead |
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| 18:12.38 | Sazpaimon__ | SpeedEvil, I thought it was the IMSI, but i looked at the card and the number didn't match what I got |
| 18:12.41 | Sazpaimon__ | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_imsi |
| 18:12.45 | Sazpaimon__ | that's the command I ran |
| 18:13.08 | Sazpaimon__ | i got something completely different than the number printed on the sim card itself |
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| 18:20.34 | RST38h | Aaaaaaa: http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/26/friends-don%E2%80%99t-let-friends-get-into-finance/ |
| 18:21.10 | dangergrrl | Sazpaimon__: odd |
| 18:21.34 | dangergrrl | maybe the number printed on the card itself is useless? |
| 18:22.55 | Sazpaimon__ | nope, that's the number he needs |
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| 18:29.30 | Sicelo | you want to get your phone number from the sim card? |
| 18:32.00 | dangergrrl | he wanted to get the number printed on the sim card without taking out the battery and looking at the sim card |
| 18:32.39 | Sicelo | the number in question is the phone number? |
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| 18:33.28 | timeless_w7ip | :( i missed the beginning of spiderman 3 |
| 18:33.57 | timeless_w7ip | (from memory i saw it in a theater in London) |
| 18:35.17 | dangergrrl | Sicelo: definately not the phone number, they don't print those on the sim card |
| 18:35.49 | Sicelo | that's what's confusing me about what he really wants :-/ |
| 18:35.58 | Sicelo | is possibly dumb |
| 18:37.10 | dangergrrl | it's some sort of serial number but not the same as the IMSI evidently |
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| 18:38.57 | timeless_w7ip | it's possible there's just an inventory number on the sim |
| 18:41.07 | alterego | Yeah, could be anything |
| 18:45.29 | dangergrrl | fennec is a real resource pig |
| 18:46.40 | nox- | somone once here said it `eats ram like candy' :/ |
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| 18:47.30 | dangergrrl | it makes my n900 seem much slower |
| 18:47.38 | dangergrrl | but i like it's feature set |
| 18:47.54 | dangergrrl | the intelligent zooming is nice |
| 18:48.37 | nox- | yeah if n900 had more ram... |
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| 18:52.36 | arcol | do somebody know which package is it?: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/maemo-cflags.mk |
| 18:54.11 | timeless_w7ip | arcol: did you ask dpkg -S ? |
| 18:54.30 | lcuk | dangergrrl, fennec is not picky!! it is just as capable at making other devices slower too! |
| 18:54.42 | arcol | not found |
| 18:54.53 | arcol | :-\ |
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| 18:56.15 | dangergrrl | fennec runs nice on my crap full size pc |
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| 18:56.29 | dangergrrl | the full ff4 eats it |
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| 18:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | err, I'm confused. Maybe that's because Sazpaimon__ and dangergrrl are confused? The number on SIM is NOT the phonenr, and it's also NOT the IMSI. The IMSI is actually rather useless for anybody, and the IMEI is the *E*quipment number and unrelated to SIM |
| 18:57.16 | dangergrrl | i installed it because i want to port the eff ssl everywhere plugin |
| 18:58.05 | dangergrrl | Sazpaimon__ needed the actual number on the SIM which we discovered is not the IMSI |
| 18:58.15 | dangergrrl | he already opened the n900 and got it though |
| 18:58.31 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: some carriers write phone number on sim |
| 18:58.37 | dangergrrl | i was guessing that you could get it in software somehow |
| 18:59.04 | Arkenoi | imsi is useful if you have Ki as well |
| 18:59.19 | Arkenoi | number on sim is iccid |
| 18:59.58 | dangergrrl | can you get the iccid from dbus or /proc or somewhere? |
| 19:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that'd be rather stupid, as the association of IMSI<->phonenumber is done on some server database and actually can change any time and not known when SIM is manufactured |
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| 19:00.15 | timeless_w7ip | doc: it isn't uncommon |
| 19:00.18 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not always if it's prepaid sim |
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| 19:00.26 | timeless_w7ip | while the number can change |
| 19:00.30 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you get one number with it and that stays there forever |
| 19:00.37 | timeless_w7ip | and while it isn't a one to one thing for the lifetime of a number or a sim |
| 19:00.54 | timeless_w7ip | it doesn't prevent vendors from trying to be "helpful" |
| 19:03.30 | arcol | is n900 has only bash 2.05? while older maemo phones (diablo) has bash 3.2 |
| 19:03.35 | RST38h | E7 is such a waste of perfect hardware :((( |
| 19:03.42 | RST38h | sighs |
| 19:04.05 | crashanddie_ | diablo didn't have "phones" |
| 19:04.07 | arcol | it does not support lists :-( |
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| 19:04.10 | dangergrrl | damn, fennec made my n900 so slow i couldn't get into the phone app to answer a call |
| 19:04.12 | dangergrrl | lol |
| 19:04.12 | arcol | crashanddie_: whatever |
| 19:04.34 | RST38h | danfer: the solution is to quit fennec and never start it again |
| 19:05.23 | RST38h | + E7 is guaranteed to put BestBuy store salesmen into stupor |
| 19:05.46 | RST38h | as they are helpfully trying to find a case for it =) |
| 19:07.06 | crashanddie_ | arcol: check the bash3 package |
| 19:07.16 | crashanddie_ | ~pkg bash3 |
| 19:07.18 | crashanddie_ | ~useless |
| 19:07.18 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from crashanddie_ in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 19:07.25 | crashanddie_ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bash3/3.2-0maemo10/ |
| 19:07.30 | crashanddie_ | arcol: ^ |
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| 19:10.30 | crashanddie_ | I love it when people tell you to piss off, but then don't thank you when you're being helpful |
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| 19:12.18 | timeless_w7ip | crashanddie: such is life on the net |
| 19:12.35 | timeless_w7ip | it's a thankless job and someone's gotta suffer for doing it |
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| 19:13.25 | crashanddie_ | or I can just kick all the jerks |
| 19:13.28 | crashanddie_ | but that would include myself |
| 19:15.05 | RST38h | don't forget to ban |
| 19:15.07 | MohammadAG | I vote for kickbans! |
| 19:15.17 | MohammadAG | waits for crashanddie_ to kb himself |
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| 19:16.54 | RST38h | crashanddie: Every weekend, you should get drunk and commit a channel takeover for a few hours. It is an ancient IRC tradition. |
| 19:17.20 | crashanddie_ | aha! |
| 19:17.48 | *** mode/#maemo [-v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 19:17.53 | *** mode/#maemo [+v crashanddie_] by ChanServ |
| 19:17.56 | crashanddie_ | yaaarrrrr |
| 19:18.00 | RST38h | crashanddie: Once you take over, start spewing racial/ethnic insults, in order to make everyone leave |
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| 19:18.33 | RST38h | crashanddie: If that does not work, try flooding the channel with links to the images of kitten corpses and other necrozoophilia |
| 19:18.53 | crashanddie_ | OK, here come the insults |
| 19:18.54 | MohammadAG | or /mkick |
| 19:19.00 | MohammadAG | don't... try that |
| 19:19.02 | crashanddie_ | RST38h: you're about as useful as a Betamax videorecorder |
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| 19:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
| 19:19.13 | RST38h | crashanddie: In a rather rare case of that not working, you can resort to kickbanning everyone, but it is really not as funny |
| 19:20.22 | MohammadAG | can infobot have her voice back? she needs it |
| 19:21.08 | SpeedEvil | Infobot is messaging me that they can't talk. |
| 19:21.12 | vldcnst | poor infobot |
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| 19:21.29 | RST38h | Mghm...These apps included with Symbian are just plain useless =( |
| 19:22.20 | MohammadAG | you got a symbian phone? |
| 19:22.33 | RST38h | Mohammad: Got an E7 via FN program |
| 19:22.47 | MohammadAG | want some tips from a previous symbian owner? |
| 19:22.50 | MohammadAG | sell it :P |
| 19:22.57 | MohammadAG | FN program? |
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| 19:23.00 | RST38h | Some S60e5 customers will be really happy with updated emulators :) |
| 19:23.12 | RST38h | Mohammad: I had an E70 for a long time, actually liked it |
| 19:23.33 | MohammadAG | last S60 phone I enjoyed was the N95 |
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| 19:23.58 | MohammadAG | then came the N97, an overhyped underspecced device |
| 19:24.15 | RST38h | N97 sucked |
| 19:24.24 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 19:24.29 | RST38h | No Russian "B" letter on the keyboard, for Tentacled's sake... |
| 19:24.46 | MohammadAG | I almost switched to Samsung, then came the N900 :P |
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| 19:25.39 | RST38h | Hey you still have an N8, don'tyou? |
| 19:26.04 | MohammadAG | it's not mine, but it's in the house :P |
| 19:26.19 | MohammadAG | Nokia Big Screen is actually not that bad |
| 19:26.24 | MohammadAG | can't figure out how to pair the PS3 remote though |
| 19:26.48 | mece | I played with an n8 today. It's quite nice. Very light |
| 19:27.19 | MohammadAG | same width as the N900 without the screen+slider |
| 19:27.48 | MohammadAG | I hate the non-removable battery, surprised that Nokia added a force-off switch |
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| 19:28.44 | RST38h | ? |
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| 19:32.24 | RST38h | Ovi Store is actually bearable on E7 |
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| 19:32.42 | RST38h | not such an intolerable PoS as on Maemo |
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| 19:37.21 | RST38h | compares "Nokia Pure" font with Microsoft's corporate font |
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| 19:40.42 | RST38h | Oh, I think I have found where "Nokia Pure" font is coming from: http://www.aeato.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Windows-Phone-OS.jpg |
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| 19:46.27 | MohammadAG_ | RST38h, kinda ironic |
| 19:47.01 | RST38h | Mohammad: predictable though |
| 19:47.24 | RST38h | the ironic part is that nothing but ruin will come out of this process. |
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| 19:54.56 | drack | Gyjf did you skip that step with osso-wlan ? |
| 19:55.19 | drack | the step in the read me |
| 19:55.59 | Gyjf | nope |
| 19:56.03 | Gyjf | " You can also skip this step, but keep in mind that the above mentioned bug |
| 19:56.03 | Gyjf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.21 | drack | at which point you reboot |
| 19:56.26 | Gyjf | that bug has happened to me tho |
| 19:56.40 | drack | how did you fix it? |
| 19:56.42 | Gyjf | usually it is enough to unload the drivers |
| 19:57.00 | Gyjf | there is a script for that in the package iirc |
| 19:57.15 | Gyjf | i have one script for loading it and one for unloading |
| 19:57.44 | drack | well can i have them? |
| 19:57.48 | Gyjf | those are both in there |
| 19:58.17 | Gyjf | i just have some pathchanges and notifications added |
| 19:58.59 | Gyjf | you can also ln it |
| 19:59.32 | Gyjf | i just put a cd /path/ sh load.sh script in my home |
| 19:59.38 | Gyjf | and same for unload |
| 19:59.59 | drack | oh ok |
| 20:00.16 | drack | i meen with osso-wlan |
| 20:00.24 | drack | mean |
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| 20:01.02 | Gyjf | i skipped that step |
| 20:01.17 | Gyjf | appart from the bug it works fine |
| 20:01.45 | drack | cd ../osso-wlan |
| 20:01.45 | drack | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.52 | drack | you didnt do this? |
| 20:02.01 | Gyjf | nope |
| 20:02.07 | drack | ok |
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| 20:02.18 | Gyjf | as mentioned that step is optional |
| 20:02.53 | drack | and so the bug only rarlely occurs? |
| 20:03.23 | Gyjf | i dont use those drivers very often |
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| 20:03.51 | Gyjf | i just load them when i need it and then unload them when im done |
| 20:04.30 | drack | do you have ettercap and metasploit? |
| 20:04.37 | drack | on your n900 |
| 20:04.55 | Gyjf | i tried ettercap but it didnt work for me |
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| 20:06.18 | drack | dayumn you need to try neopwn |
| 20:06.32 | drack | i thinkit has everything |
| 20:06.42 | Gyjf | i dont need everything |
| 20:07.05 | drack | neopwn is backtrack mobile am i right? |
| 20:07.27 | Gyjf | i need the aircrack suite and maybe arpspoof |
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| 20:22.18 | RST38h | http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/01/the-mother-of-all-android-malware-has-arrived-stolen-apps-released-to-the-market-that-root-your-phone-steal-your-data-and-open-backdoor/ |
| 20:22.40 | crashanddie_ | drack: it was supposed to be a copy, but there was some drama between the neopwn guys and the backtrack foo |
| 20:22.44 | RST38h | laughs satanically: these Google folks are apparently going to repeat every mistake in the book |
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| 20:24.51 | dangergrrl | if i want aria2 i have to actually build it myself for fremantle? i found a .deb but it's for diablo and wants libssl0.9.7 |
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| 20:26.01 | dangergrrl | (yes i tried to install it anyhow, figured it was command line so would probably still work) |
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| 21:17.50 | RST38h | Ah, the pleasure of flying in the US... |
| 21:17.52 | alterego | Hurp, only got 3.2G free on my N900 :/ |
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| 21:22.37 | timeless_w7ip | ? |
| 21:22.47 | timeless_w7ip | rst: visual strip searches? |
| 21:23.25 | RST38h | timeless: after reading through the list of TSA policy changes, I am wondering if they go with anal probes nowadays |
| 21:23.49 | timeless_w7ip | considering that's where they hide all the good drugs |
| 21:23.51 | timeless_w7ip | i don't see why not |
| 21:24.13 | timeless_w7ip | http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2011/03/03/khmer-arrested-with-500-amphetamines-hidden-in-anus/ |
| 21:24.25 | RST38h | ...and just 10 years ago I could come to IAD 40 minutes before the flight, walk in, and walk out at Logan in 50 minutes |
| 21:24.35 | RST38h | or 1:50, no longer remember |
| 21:25.14 | RST38h | timeless: not surprising, it is a standard hiding place, in ceertain social circles. |
| 21:25.28 | timeless_w7ip | it's a 90min flight atm |
| 21:25.36 | RST38h | yea, 50min is NYC |
| 21:25.59 | timeless_w7ip | did you fly to JFK or? |
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| 21:26.14 | RST38h | No, I took an Aeroflot flight directly to IAD |
| 21:26.33 | timeless_w7ip | you mentioned 50min is NYC |
| 21:26.35 | RST38h | No longer flying through JFK or ATL, too risky to spend a night there |
| 21:26.41 | timeless_w7ip | was that IAD=>JFK ? |
| 21:26.56 | RST38h | timeless: IAD->BOS, but I flew to/from JFK before |
| 21:26.57 | timeless_w7ip | it's a 70min flight |
| 21:27.42 | RST38h | also flew BWI->JFK and BWI->BOS (much less trouble than IAD, too) |
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| 21:28.01 | timeless_w7ip | yeah, my family prefers BWI |
| 21:28.16 | timeless_w7ip | i like IAD because i tend to take Metro(WMATA) |
| 21:28.32 | RST38h | Can't take metro directly to IAD (unlike Reagan/National) |
| 21:28.42 | timeless_w7ip | err sorry yeah not IAD |
| 21:28.44 | timeless_w7ip | sighs |
| 21:28.49 | timeless_w7ip | National |
| 21:28.51 | alterego | 4.7G now |
| 21:28.58 | alterego | Better than the 200M I had yesterday .. |
| 21:29.07 | timeless_w7ip | DCA |
| 21:29.21 | RST38h | Yea, I flew from/to National through Atlanta to Moscow, until Delta took a habit of cancelling ATL->DCA flights |
| 21:29.32 | timeless_w7ip | heh |
| 21:30.07 | timeless_w7ip | used to remember more airport codes |
| 21:30.25 | RST38h | ATL has also got epic security lines |
| 21:30.51 | timeless_w7ip | but anyway, BWI is reachable via AMTRAK to 2 metro stations iirc |
| 21:30.58 | timeless_w7ip | but it's pretty inconvenient |
| 21:31.05 | RST38h | I can drive to the freaking BWI in 20 minutes, who needs Amtrak... |
| 21:31.10 | timeless_w7ip | so you'd just use it if you have a car |
| 21:31.15 | timeless_w7ip | doesn't have a car |
| 21:31.35 | RST38h | Not a good idea in this area... |
| 21:31.53 | timeless_w7ip | metro + DCA works nicely |
| 21:31.56 | RST38h | Given than most streets are missing sidewalks even |
| 21:32.07 | timeless_w7ip | and someday they'll fix IAD |
| 21:32.21 | RST38h | yea, but only if you live in the DC or vicinity (Silver Spring, College Park, etc) |
| 21:32.51 | timeless_w7ip | did |
| 21:33.06 | timeless_w7ip | for college park though you could use amtrak to bwi |
| 21:33.08 | RST38h | IAD is one of two (I think) US airports owned and managed by the US government. I hope it answers your question about "fixing" IAD :) |
| 21:33.28 | timeless_w7ip | fix in this context is finish extending the metro line to it |
| 21:34.07 | RST38h | Ah, that... Prolly not, given the distance and the costs. But maybe they will lay some railway there... |
| 21:34.23 | timeless_w7ip | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Line_%28Washington_Metro%29 |
| 21:34.41 | RST38h | Interesting how Russians did manage to lay rails to all three of MOW airports, costs nonwithstanding |
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| 21:34.46 | timeless_w7ip | it's scheduled for 2016 |
| 21:35.12 | RST38h | Ah,they want to extend orange/blue lines... |
| 21:35.28 | RST38h | Clever, although the result will probably be as messy as NYC subway :) |
| 21:36.30 | timeless_w7ip | not a chance |
| 21:36.46 | RST38h | Orange/Blue thing already leads to some messy train schedules |
| 21:36.55 | timeless_w7ip | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WMATA_Thin_Silver_Line_Map.jpg |
| 21:37.00 | RST38h | Adding Silver will make it funnier. |
| 21:37.41 | timeless_w7ip | http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm |
| 21:38.27 | RST38h | Yes, DC still has a long way to go! |
| 21:38.37 | timeless_w7ip | yeah, and not really enough fun places to go to |
| 21:38.43 | timeless_w7ip | so sorry, not going to happen |
| 21:39.01 | timeless_w7ip | i mean, there's still hope for a purple line |
| 21:39.17 | timeless_w7ip | but even that won't give wmata enough to look anything like the mess that is nyc |
| 21:39.59 | RST38h | WMATA network has been architected. NYC one grew from several independent operators merging and swallowing each other. |
| 21:40.41 | RST38h | But I am sure that by encouraging drug use within WMATA offices, we can reach the target relatively quickly. |
| 21:40.57 | dangergrrl | IAD is dulles? |
| 21:41.05 | RST38h | yes |
| 21:41.18 | dangergrrl | i flew from there once to houston |
| 21:41.39 | dangergrrl | lived in central va, was way cheaper than richmond and about the same drive |
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| 21:42.12 | RST38h | Well, I normally fly to Moscow and back, so it is either IAD or DCA for me. |
| 21:42.33 | timeless_w7ip | yeah i generally confuse IAD w/ DCA |
| 21:42.51 | timeless_w7ip | because i've flown in/out via IAD much more than DCA and forget DCA's letters :( |
| 21:42.57 | timeless_w7ip | (i've rarely used BWI) |
| 21:43.28 | RST38h | BWI is much better for local flights: has got cheaper airlines, and is easier to access in general |
| 21:43.32 | timeless_w7ip | rst: sadly WMATA has really painful financial constraints |
| 21:43.46 | timeless_w7ip | which means drugs won't help make the map grow |
| 21:43.49 | dangergrrl | i've mostly flown in/out from DIA more than anywhere else |
| 21:44.05 | timeless_w7ip | you generally have to drug people in two states, one district and both houses of congress :) |
| 21:44.08 | dangergrrl | about the cheapest place in us to fly to/from; thank you frontier air |
| 21:44.20 | timeless_w7ip | is frontier still around? |
| 21:44.27 | RST38h | AFAIK yes |
| 21:44.29 | timeless_w7ip | has lost track of consolidation in the states |
| 21:44.40 | dangergrrl | yes, and all frontier flights except two to mexico start or end in denver |
| 21:44.43 | RST38h | Been on the travelocity list, I think |
| 21:45.04 | RST38h | timeless: WMATA is a bunch of wasteful bureaucrats |
| 21:45.28 | RST38h | timeless: Same as goddamn AMTRAK (which charges more for tickets than airlines) |
| 21:45.29 | timeless_w7ip | hey, wmata works |
| 21:45.39 | timeless_w7ip | and amtrak does too |
| 21:45.41 | RST38h | They all work, the question is, at what cost |
| 21:45.54 | timeless_w7ip | shrugs |
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| 21:46.12 | dangergrrl | but you don't have to let wierdos see your junk to ride amtrak |
| 21:46.35 | RST38h | dangergrrl: AFAIK, this is not for long, TSA started operating at train stations recently |
| 21:47.11 | dangergrrl | oh wonderful |
| 21:47.15 | dangergrrl | glad i have a motorcycle |
| 21:47.29 | RST38h | dangergrrl: Wait for roadblocks then :) |
| 21:47.36 | timeless_w7ip | was to bos via amtrak is 158$ |
| 21:47.43 | RST38h | One way. |
| 21:48.00 | RST38h | BWI<->BOS via Airtran is $248. |
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| 21:48.54 | RST38h | Also look for possible requirement to transfer at NYC, lots of potential adventure there |
| 21:49.01 | dangergrrl | amtrak has a station in taylor though which is way closer than austin bergstrom from here |
| 21:51.13 | alterego | Oh, heh, just found my Windows 7 ultimate iso |
| 21:51.27 | alterego | I can make that VM I've been meaning to do for ages .. |
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| 21:53.31 | Venemo | Mohammad-, MohammadAG, ping |
| 21:53.56 | dangergrrl | amtrak here to denver april 12 one way $240; your choice of 4 airlines round trip 14/16 april $170 |
| 21:54.32 | derf | Yes, but on Amtrak you have electricity and no one sometimes yer nuts. |
| 21:54.44 | dangergrrl | if TSA starts doing security for amtrak why would anyone take them over an airplane? |
| 21:54.46 | RST38h | Actually, having power is a big plus, yes |
| 21:54.53 | dangergrrl | power is a plus |
| 21:55.05 | derf | TSA tried to do Amtrak security. |
| 21:55.08 | RST38h | dangegrrl: nobody does as they are, if I understand things correctly |
| 21:55.09 | derf | Amtrak kicked them out. |
| 21:55.15 | dangergrrl | my n900 has enough battery to fly for 2 hours though |
| 21:55.17 | RST38h | derf: ORLY? Nice |
| 21:55.39 | RST38h | danger: 8 hours of playing Othello and reading in FBReader here. |
| 21:55.41 | Gyjf | java on n900, does that work? |
| 21:55.53 | dangergrrl | i heard there was a big push for a nationwide maglev train network in the usa |
| 21:55.55 | timeless_w7ip | gytf: you can install it from a repo |
| 21:55.55 | derf | RST38h: http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/p/188504/2059127.aspx |
| 21:56.05 | RST38h | Mainly got let down by FBreader, that Rob1n guy broke something in my careful power manage,ment adjustments ;) |
| 21:56.35 | dangergrrl | at some incredible cost of course |
| 21:56.43 | dangergrrl | and noone takes trains as it is |
| 21:56.57 | derf | I'm not aware of any push for nationwide maglev. |
| 21:56.58 | RST38h | derf: they will be back, sadly |
| 21:57.03 | dangergrrl | actually flying is on a par for price with greyhound |
| 21:57.12 | dangergrrl | cheaper for roundtrip |
| 21:57.14 | derf | So I take umbrage with "big", at least. |
| 21:57.29 | derf | RST38h: Of course. But every victory counts. |
| 21:57.40 | dangergrrl | anyhow, i want aria2 |
| 21:58.14 | dangergrrl | do i have to install the sdk and build it for fremantle or could i just install the libssl it wants and use the diablo bin? |
| 21:58.19 | dangergrrl | it's a console app |
| 21:58.40 | derf | Anyway, I don't think I will ever fly from DC to NY again. |
| 21:58.46 | RST38h | diablo bin might be ok, try |
| 21:59.08 | derf | Having done both, Amtrak is so much better it's no comparison. |
| 21:59.12 | dangergrrl | it requires an old libssl but i'm guessing since it's a console app it should work |
| 21:59.39 | dangergrrl | i don't plan on flying again untill i'm going someplace i can't ride on my motorcycle |
| 21:59.39 | RST38h | derf: yea, although it is more of an exception (given short distance and the overhead of transferring to IAD / from JFK) |
| 21:59.54 | derf | I was also really happy I was on Amtrak when we got hit with the blizzard the day after Christmas. |
| 22:00.09 | derf | Not a single plane was flying anywhere. |
| 22:00.22 | derf | But my train _caught_on_fire_ and we still made it there. |
| 22:00.23 | dangergrrl | i bet amtrak would be sweet for trips from here to houston or dallas actually |
| 22:00.34 | derf | (ice in the electrical box) |
| 22:00.43 | RST38h | derf: Cooool =) |
| 22:01.04 | derf | Halfway up I was like, "Why does it smell like burning insulation? My laptop still seems to be working..." |
| 22:01.09 | dangergrrl | considering amtrak picks up way closer than the airport from here |
| 22:01.24 | derf | We didn't stop until we got to Penn Station (I was going on to CT). |
| 22:01.35 | GAN900 | derf, yeah, expensive, though. |
| 22:01.46 | derf | GAN900: That trip was still cheaper than flying. |
| 22:01.49 | derf | And worth every penny. |
| 22:02.03 | derf | Because, you know, I actually got where I was trying to go. |
| 22:02.05 | RST38h | GAN: The DC->NYC tickets are relatively cheap |
| 22:02.23 | derf | Which I'm pretty sure would not have happened with any other mode of transportation. |
| 22:02.41 | derf | Well, maybe Greyhound would've been stupid enough to try. |
| 22:02.52 | derf | But then I'd be dead like all those poor people in New York. |
| 22:03.04 | jacekowski | i don't like busses |
| 22:03.14 | RST38h | derf: You would get to watch the carnage at I95 though |
| 22:03.19 | jacekowski | if i have a choice between rail and bus i'll go for rail |
| 22:03.26 | derf | RST38h: This is not a plus in my book. |
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| 22:03.39 | RST38h | derf: crashed cars, abandoned cars, ambulances, you know,,, |
| 22:03.40 | GAN900 | derf, not where I'm flying. |
| 22:03.42 | timeless_w7ip | derf: i remember being delayed somewhere near NY because of a train problem like that |
| 22:04.12 | GAN900 | RST38h, yeah, good point. |
| 22:04.14 | derf | timeless_w7ip: There was an hour delay while they swapped out our car in Penn Station. |
| 22:04.14 | timeless_w7ip | actually, i think i was @NY Penn and the train inbound from BOS(?) was delayed |
| 22:04.16 | RST38h | derf: Which reminds me that there is a new episode of Fringe to watch. |
| 22:04.30 | derf | But, you know, given 20+ inches of snow, I'm willing to put up with that. |
| 22:04.32 | RST38h | timeless: that is normal |
| 22:04.41 | lcukn900 | rst38h why does it not surprise me that you watch fringe |
| 22:04.42 | timeless_w7ip | but once we boarded, people were friendly, i borrowed a neighbors cell phone and made a call |
| 22:04.48 | timeless_w7ip | ... you can't do that on an airplane :) |
| 22:04.50 | RST38h | lcuk: Yes, really... |
| 22:04.59 | lcukn900 | heh |
| 22:05.10 | derf | GAN900: I agree. Amtrak really only works in the WAS<->BOS corridor. |
| 22:05.33 | timeless_w7ip | derf: i've used Amtrak to go from WAS to Cleveland or thereabouts |
| 22:05.44 | timeless_w7ip | it's not bad as a scenic route if you don't drive |
| 22:05.50 | timeless_w7ip | but it definitely isn't a commuter thing |
| 22:05.53 | derf | Hmm, that might not be terrible, either. |
| 22:06.02 | derf | Except for the fact that you're going to Cleveland. |
| 22:06.05 | RST38h | Would probably be too expensive though |
| 22:06.11 | timeless_w7ip | there's also a line that'll get you from Santa Barbara down to LA |
| 22:06.21 | timeless_w7ip | which is also not bad, again as a scenic line, not for commuting |
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| 22:06.29 | derf | Except then you're in LA. |
| 22:06.32 | timeless_w7ip | there's also a path that goes clear across .. |
| 22:06.39 | timeless_w7ip | derf: you can get off early (or late) :) |
| 22:06.40 | timeless_w7ip | but yeah... |
| 22:07.01 | timeless_w7ip | i didn't get off @LA, iirc i got off a bit after |
| 22:07.15 | derf | But yes, I took the line that goes from NY to Ohio somewhere, and actually up into Canadia I think. |
| 22:07.24 | derf | But I got off in Manassas. |
| 22:07.43 | timeless_w7ip | i'm actually considering using lines around western mass |
| 22:07.51 | timeless_w7ip | a cousin's getting married somewhere up there |
| 22:08.27 | timeless_w7ip | but yeah, generally speaking the only really working corridor is NE |
| 22:08.45 | timeless_w7ip | ... when you go south of DC they switch to diezel :) |
| 22:09.08 | timeless_w7ip | s/z/s/ |
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| 22:09.29 | RST38h | derf: Is Canadia that large US state between us and Alaska? =) |
| 22:09.48 | timeless_w7ip | http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=WSArticlePage&pagename=WhistleStop%2FWSArticlePage%2FBlank_Template&cid=1153323727125 |
| 22:10.09 | doc|home | RST38h: only to americans |
| 22:10.16 | timeless_w7ip | rst: aww, give them credit, it's more like 6 states, we just got lazy and numbered it as 1 :) |
| 22:11.15 | timeless_w7ip | (note they have a couple of others, but those aren't really between the lower 48 and Alaska) |
| 22:11.51 | GAN900 | doc|home, we don't want it. :P |
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| 22:13.27 | doc|home | GAN900: great, so you'll keep your navy out of canadian waters then? :P |
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| 22:14.10 | RST38h | Will use the airforce, yes. |
| 22:14.41 | doc|home | ah yes, the stereotypical thing of your arse not knowing what your elbow is doing. "We don't want it" "we want it" |
| 22:14.53 | GAN900 | doc|home, not up to me, but if it were, I'd be more than happy. |
| 22:15.06 | doc|home | GAN900: you did say "we" :) |
| 22:15.12 | RST38h | doc <=== is sure to deliver a decent performance on all flames canadian =) |
| 22:15.23 | doc|home | RST38h: I'm not even canadian :P |
| 22:15.46 | GAN900 | doc|home, yes, the US population. Which is generally not all that related to the US government these days. ;) |
| 22:15.50 | doc|home | RST38h: it's more the US actions in any region when you think about it... |
| 22:15.54 | doc|home | GAN900: indeed |
| 22:16.10 | doc|home | GAN900: that's hardly a US thing though :) |
| 22:16.26 | RST38h | doc: US is also delivering lots of lulz lately |
| 22:16.42 | doc|home | oh the rest of us have been laughing for a long time :) |
| 22:17.19 | doc|home | though these days it's more at the stage where you shake your head as thing never change :/ |
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| 22:19.29 | timeless_w7ip | http://techie-buzz.com/tech-news/mysql-com-database-compromised-sql-injection.html |
| 22:19.58 | Termana | good morning |
| 22:20.58 | timeless_w7ip | as long as you don't care about mysql ::) |
| 22:22.17 | timeless_w7ip | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2056426&cid=35632748 |
| 22:23.29 | timeless_w7ip | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2056426&cid=35632718 <- did they mean 'fire'? :( |
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| 22:25.47 | Pillum | with which sdk can you develop Qt apps on windows for n900? |
| 22:25.54 | Pillum | there are three different sdks |
| 22:25.56 | Pillum | nokia sdk |
| 22:25.58 | Pillum | qt sdk |
| 22:25.59 | Pillum | maemo sdk |
| 22:26.00 | Pillum | :S |
| 22:26.38 | timeless_w7ip | hopefully any? |
| 22:27.01 | timeless_w7ip | generally speaking you'd probably want the newest SDK |
| 22:27.20 | timeless_w7ip | as long as it claims to support the target device |
| 22:27.54 | lcukn900 | afaik intel have an sdk too |
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| 22:36.28 | RST38h | Dear Tentacled One, please, visit Mr Elop in person and make him look away while you are devou^H^H^Hremaining Maemo Devices engineers continue making Maemo/Meego devices for us all. |
| 22:42.21 | GAN900 | Seconded. |
| 22:42.55 | nox- | thirded |
| 22:44.21 | SpeedEvil | In some ways the more interesting way would be to make it possible to buy 'blank' nokia phones, with docs. |
| 22:45.01 | lcuk | no but firstboot choice would be awesome :) |
| 22:45.36 | lcuk | "Windows/Symbian/Maemo/Meego/Android/*" (yes I think we should have choice of all) |
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| 22:47.27 | Funnyface | yes, then we won't have to worry about nokia phasing out our OSes :P |
| 22:48.57 | RST38h | lcuk: AmigaOS! |
| 22:49.13 | RST38h | will be happy with a Maemo/Meego-only device |
| 22:49.38 | BCMM | RST38h: port Maemo to Hurd! |
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| 22:49.49 | RST38h | If someone wants to have an Android distro, just to show those HTCs and Motorolas, let them |
| 22:50.20 | SpeedEvil | And iOS too! |
| 22:50.57 | SpeedEvil | explodes. |
| 22:51.00 | SpeedEvil | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/03/27/2058246/MySqlcom-Hacked-With-Sql-Injection |
| 22:52.48 | lcuk | RST38h, :D:D:D |
| 22:52.58 | lcuk | reproduces Workbench 1.3 screen |
| 22:53.11 | lcuk | I bet the vibration thingy could emulate the tick tick tick sound too |
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| 22:59.22 | pupnik_ | at first i got 0.5 fps and i was like :( |
| 22:59.24 | pupnik_ | but then i tweaked and tweaked |
| 22:59.26 | pupnik_ | and now i got ~12-15 fps and i'm all :) |
| 23:00.11 | Pillum | what are you talking about? |
| 23:00.19 | dangergrrl | i bet uae is slow on n900 |
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| 23:08.47 | RST38h | uae is kindaok on n900 |
| 23:08.58 | RST38h | but you really want to use the simplified version (uae4all) |
| 23:12.34 | dangergrrl | i played with uae a bit, the aros people donate well for bounty projects |
| 23:13.15 | RST38h | is aros still alive? |
| 23:13.47 | pupnik_ | Pillum: my new game client... now getting FIFTY FIVE FPS |
| 23:14.33 | Pillum | pupnik_: game client? on N900? and which game? |
| 23:15.18 | dangergrrl | yes and they still pay people to code |
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| 23:16.58 | dangergrrl | AROS on n900 would be cute actually but enough of the hardware is less than documented that it would be a waste of time i fear |
| 23:17.50 | dangergrrl | what tit would do it would do fast though :) |
| 23:18.08 | dangergrrl | it's designed for lower hardware requirements |
| 23:18.34 | RST38h | does it still have speak: ? =) |
| 23:19.09 | dangergrrl | i think so, i haven't booted that VM in ages |
| 23:19.26 | dangergrrl | i have a virtualbox aros vm installed on win7 |
| 23:20.08 | dangergrrl | was looking for spare time projects that i might get paid something for |
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| 23:21.21 | pupnik_ | game client port / rework Pillum - daimonin |
| 23:21.49 | Pillum | nice |
| 23:21.51 | Pillum | wish you luck |
| 23:21.58 | dangergrrl | http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/29 $517 for porting aros to EEEpc |
| 23:22.08 | dangergrrl | that's a free eeepc |
| 23:22.14 | dangergrrl | and some extra change |
| 23:23.06 | pupnik_ | hey NOKIA! |
| 23:23.11 | pupnik_ | for your NEXT DEVICE |
| 23:23.14 | pupnik_ | an ESCAPE KEY |
| 23:23.40 | RST38h | Better, RED EJECT-ALL-CARDS KEY! |
| 23:23.46 | pupnik_ | no |
| 23:23.50 | pupnik_ | an ESCAPE KEY |
| 23:24.11 | pupnik_ | because not putting one on the n900 was god damn annoying |
| 23:24.11 | RST38h | Amazing, but Android has an ESCAPE key! |
| 23:24.13 | lcuk | hey pupnik_ have you seen the intel tablet/slate thing |
| 23:24.17 | pupnik_ | nop |
| 23:24.27 | pupnik_ | 55 fps 55 fps 55 fps |
| 23:24.27 | lcuk | with a light sensor thing used as back butotn |
| 23:24.40 | pupnik_ | hey not a bad idea |
| 23:24.45 | lcuk | s/butotn/button/ |
| 23:24.47 | RST38h | what game are you doing, anyway? |
| 23:24.53 | lcuk | not a bad idea if it works all the time |
| 23:24.53 | dangergrrl | vi is in fact annoying with no escape key |
| 23:25.03 | pupnik_ | a client for daimonin |
| 23:25.08 | RST38h | don't use vi, use nano |
| 23:25.10 | pupnik_ | Multiplayer Online RPG |
| 23:25.11 | lcuk | but from the youtube videos I have seen it is somewhat odd |
| 23:25.17 | RST38h | ah |
| 23:25.20 | dangergrrl | i use emacs and if no emacs i use vi |
| 23:25.32 | dangergrrl | because every posix system has vi |
| 23:26.11 | RST38h | just use nano, really |
| 23:27.40 | RST38h | rather than suffer all this weird geeky shit =) |
| 23:28.37 | dangergrrl | been using emacs and vi for 25 years, i would have to read instructions for nano |
| 23:29.25 | dangergrrl | i also write C code for things that perl might well do better if only i could write perl code without a manual open |
| 23:29.31 | RST38h | no you would not,that is the beaurty of nano |
| 23:30.02 | RST38h | It is absolutely, completely dumb. The few key shortcuts it uses, it shows at the bottom |
| 23:30.16 | dangergrrl | C has the advantage for me that so long as i do no gui i need no manual |
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| 23:30.24 | lcuk | RST38h, :) |
| 23:30.50 | lcuk | RST38h, do you still use apps which require Function key cards? |
| 23:31.01 | dangergrrl | will it save and exit if i hit escZZ? |
| 23:31.04 | RST38h | does perl without manuals, which probably means he is insane |
| 23:31.15 | dangergrrl | :) |
| 23:31.18 | Pillum | what are function key cards? |
| 23:31.18 | RST38h | danger: it will save on Ctrl-X / yes |
| 23:31.33 | dangergrrl | ctrl-x i might hit on accident |
| 23:31.41 | RST38h | danger: It will ASK. |
| 23:31.53 | RST38h | danger: It knows that the users arestupid and asks. |
| 23:32.10 | dangergrrl | C-x is a prefix key :P |
| 23:32.19 | RST38h | danger: It is eXit to Nano |
| 23:32.29 | RST38h | No damn prefixes. |
| 23:32.40 | lcuk | why have I got "C-a-K-y" |
| 23:32.44 | RST38h | And the best thing is, the arrow buttons work straight out of the box =) |
| 23:32.52 | lcuk | believes it is key shortcut for screen or something |
| 23:32.55 | lcuk | but IDK what it does |
| 23:33.15 | dangergrrl | C-a is default prefix for screen |
| 23:33.26 | RST38h | lcuk: Kill a screen window |
| 23:33.43 | lcuk | thanks \o |
| 23:33.45 | RST38h | Dunno why you have -y there, as it will kill the current window |
| 23:33.54 | lcuk | does not know these keyboard incantations |
| 23:34.11 | RST38h | Well, screen ones you usually end up knowing by heart |
| 23:34.18 | dangergrrl | i change it, C-a means beginning of line to me and bash |
| 23:35.38 | RST38h | Oh, yeah: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/eldritch-application |
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| 23:43.50 | Sazpaimon__ | i just now realized that two lead ircd developers left their projects to work on maemo |
| 23:44.12 | Sazpaimon__ | im not sure why that's interesting to me,but it is |
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| 23:56.58 | pupnik_ | http://qikr.co/9gnwn 55 FPS! :D :D :D 55 FPS! |
| 23:58.05 | Sazpaimon__ | your poor poor keys |
| 23:58.22 | Sazpaimon__ | what have you done to them |
| 23:58.33 | pupnik_ | used em a lot :/ |
| 23:58.50 | nox- | heh i have something like that too... |
| 23:59.10 | pupnik_ | frolics |
| 23:59.13 | pupnik_ | hi nox- ! |
| 23:59.21 | nox- | the coating comes off too easily id say |
| 23:59.23 | nox- | moin pupnik_ |
| 23:59.41 | Sazpaimon__ | what do you type with your fingernails or something? |
| 23:59.46 | nox- | no |
