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| 01:31.08 | pupnik | odd |
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| 02:02.57 | Sazpaimon | hey guys, anyone see this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightspark/0.4.6-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2322035 |
| 02:03.21 | Sazpaimon | lightspark (opensource Actionscript 3.0 parser) ported to ARM |
| 02:03.35 | pupnik | no idea what that's for |
| 02:03.43 | Sazpaimon | AS 3.0 is part of flash 10 |
| 02:03.50 | pupnik | oh |
| 02:04.12 | Sazpaimon | anyone wanna try these debs (assuming the prereqs jive with Maemo 5) |
| 02:04.29 | Sazpaimon | my N900 is still a few days away from being delivered, otherwise I'd try it |
| 02:07.31 | pupnik | not a friend of flash here |
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| 02:09.41 | Sazpaimon | the only issue I think is I don't think the ARM build of lightspark has any hardware acceleration |
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| 06:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what' the issue with sshfs/fuse |
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| 06:31.32 | MohammadAG | morning |
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| 06:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo: hi |
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| 07:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | wow, TEPCO learns to talk: http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300758392P.pdf |
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| 07:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | well, actually JAIF |
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| 07:29.40 | Termana | good morning |
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| 07:39.48 | mece | hello |
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| 07:40.10 | mece | DocScrutinizer, \o |
| 07:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
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| 07:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | OT: could anybody explain to me what's the meaning of "seawater injection to core: continuing" in http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300758392P.pdf rsp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fukushima_nuclear_accidents |
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| 07:47.46 | mece | DocScrutinizer, didn't rtfa, but it means that they are pushing seawater int to cool it, and not using the water meant for the job. It's a last effort kind of thing that ruins the powerplant |
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| 07:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | mece: that's what it suggests to us. But honestly, continuing injection of seawater and still way too low water level? And for all I know you can't "inject" arbitrary amounts of substance nto a closed containment, so what's *really* happening there? |
| 07:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | is that like "inject 500L, wait 2 days and watch occasional steam escaping, repeat" ? |
| 07:51.50 | mece | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.59 | villager | it has emergency cooling systems (and sensors) so I'm guessing it's not really completely sealed in that sense |
| 07:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI either they continuously "inject" cooling (sea) water and it comes out somewhere else, or this statement is BS |
| 07:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | I tend to favour #2 |
| 07:52.56 | robbiethe1st | I think it's coming out as steam <_< |
| 07:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | then they evidently inject too little water |
| 07:53.39 | mece | maybe they mean cooling the reactor from the outside with seawater. Not actually injecting into the core |
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| 07:55.09 | mece | why doesn't ffmpeg have hwacceleration on maemo? |
| 07:55.25 | mece | we have va/glx drivers don't we? |
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| 07:55.34 | Robot101 | because it's not used by the platform - the hardware acceleration is done with gstreamer |
| 07:55.41 | mece | ok |
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| 07:55.56 | mece | but could it be used? |
| 07:56.21 | Robot101 | and I don't think there are any va drivers either |
| 07:56.28 | mece | oh :/ |
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| 07:58.10 | Robot101 | so it's just using the OMAP DSP to run the codecs, and the decoded frames are sent either to a hardware overlay or to a video texture with Xv |
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| 07:58.52 | Robot101 | gstreamer takes care of the depayloading, audio decoding, etc and syncronizes the playback between the video and the audio etc |
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| 08:05.09 | mece | Robot101, ok, thanks. |
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| 08:11.20 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/22/app_of_the_week_android_thrutu/ <-- interesting app |
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| 09:11.19 | mece | hey |
| 09:11.34 | mece | regarding ffmpeg vs gst |
| 09:12.23 | mece | is playback via gst automagically hwaccelerated? |
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| 09:38.10 | timeless_w7ip | gstreamer is an API, not an impl |
| 09:39.02 | timeless_w7ip | mece: you probably want to ask about gstreamer-plugins-good or something |
| 09:48.40 | MohammadAG | mece, yes |
| 09:48.48 | MohammadAG | though read what timeless_w7ip said |
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| 10:02.02 | mece | ok thanks. |
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| 10:05.17 | dneary | timeless_w7ip, isn't it both? |
| 10:05.44 | dneary | timeless_w7ip, gstreamer implements *something* |
| 10:05.59 | dneary | (the basic DAG handling, and a number of standard filters) |
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| 10:06.10 | dneary | It delegates codec handling to plug-ins |
| 10:06.36 | dneary | (and in fact gstreamer itself is a bunch of plug-ins + the framework to load them & move data through a graph) |
| 10:06.52 | dneary | As I understand it, at least (and I might be wrong) |
| 10:07.01 | crashanddie | hey dneary |
| 10:07.10 | dneary | Hi anddie |
| 10:07.20 | crashanddie | been hitting the headlines quite a few times recently |
| 10:07.29 | dneary | crash: Whatever do you mean? |
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| 10:07.42 | crashanddie | /. |
| 10:07.57 | crashanddie | You've been mentioned what, 3 or 4 times in a week? |
| 10:08.06 | crashanddie | (not this week) |
| 10:08.14 | timeless_w7ip | dneary: well sure, gstreamer implements a framework |
| 10:08.27 | timeless_w7ip | dneary: but for the purposes of the question, gstreamer was the wrong layer |
| 10:08.33 | timeless_w7ip | and that's all i intended to correct |
| 10:08.50 | timeless_w7ip | gstreamer is something like MCI |
| 10:08.50 | dneary | timeless_w7ip, I missed the question :) |
| 10:08.58 | timeless_w7ip | dneary: the channel has logs ;-) |
| 10:09.01 | dneary | I just saw your answer |
| 10:09.03 | mece | dneary, timeless_w7ip, well how does it relate? I have a choice between ffmpeg or gst, and ffmpeg on N900 does not support va-api |
| 10:09.33 | dneary | Ah: "regarding ffmpeg vs gst: is playback via gst automagically hwaccelerated?" |
| 10:09.34 | timeless_w7ip | mece: ffmpeg is more or less an api + an impl |
| 10:09.49 | timeless_w7ip | gst is the api, the impl could be one of a number of things |
| 10:09.52 | mece | timeless_w7ip, yes. That's why it's a bit comfusing |
| 10:09.58 | dneary | mece, GStreamer provides, among other things, an ffmpeg plug-in |
| 10:10.02 | timeless_w7ip | it could be some standard open source impl which probably isn't hardware accelerated |
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| 10:10.08 | dneary | So you can use both gstreamer & ffmpeg, if you so desire |
| 10:10.10 | mece | dneary, I noticed. |
| 10:10.19 | timeless_w7ip | or it could be a licensed thing which is hardware accelerated |
| 10:10.39 | mece | dneary, but gnash has the two options mentioned. gst or ffmpeg |
| 10:10.41 | timeless_w7ip | i'm pretty sure that the mpeg impl that gst generally gives you on the n900 uses the DSP or something similar |
| 10:11.03 | timeless_w7ip | but it's really outside my area |
| 10:11.15 | dneary | mece, As timeless said, ffmpeg is itself an API to code against, independent of codecs & their implementations |
| 10:11.35 | dneary | mece, To summarise: both ffmpeg and gstreamer are abstractions |
| 10:11.52 | dneary | gstreamer can use the ffmpeg abstraction as one of its back-ends |
| 10:12.16 | dneary | gstreamer supports both hardware-accelerated & pure software back-ends |
| 10:12.32 | dneary | ffmpeg provides (I think) only pure-software codec implementations |
| 10:12.57 | dneary | So gstreamer has the potential to support HW acceleration, whereas ffmpeg does not |
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| 10:13.04 | dneary | timeless_w7ip, Is that correct? |
| 10:13.18 | mece | dneary, among other things. It [ffmpeg] can utilize va/glx to provide hw accelration via vaapi, but not the version that is in maemo5 repos. |
| 10:13.34 | timeless_w7ip | dneary: sadly it isn't that simple :( |
| 10:13.51 | dneary | mece, So, yes, ffmpeg could use any back-end API it wants for rendering |
| 10:14.14 | dneary | Incl. X11, gl/glx, and even ascii art |
| 10:14.47 | timeless_w7ip | but generally when people talk about ffmpeg i think there are thankfully countably few impls that people mean |
| 10:14.53 | timeless_w7ip | whereas for gst, it's much worse :) |
| 10:15.00 | dneary | mece, And if it uses a GL back-end and you're running on hardware that can do GL natively, then in some sense you get "hardware acceleration" |
| 10:15.01 | mece | either way I'm compiling gnash with everything I could get working, so I can test different settings with command line options |
| 10:15.03 | dneary | For the rendering |
| 10:15.08 | dneary | But not for the codec phase |
| 10:15.20 | dneary | mece, That sounds sane :) |
| 10:17.14 | mece | dneary, problem is I configured for all possiblt hw accel options, but none actually got enabled :/ |
| 10:17.35 | mece | options being vaapi, xv and omap |
| 10:18.35 | mece | also, there doesn't appear to be gtkglext for maemo5 so I can't get gtk ui + opengl rendering, which is annoying. |
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| 10:20.56 | mece | I believe this lib is going to be gigantic |
| 10:21.15 | mece | 93Mb O.o |
| 10:23.50 | timeless_w7ip | mece: w/ or w/o debug info? |
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| 10:27.44 | mece | timeless_w7ip, hmm.. I dunno. lemme check. |
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| 10:42.57 | mece | timeless_w7ip, w/ |
| 10:43.02 | mece | I think |
| 10:44.14 | mece | oo there's a gles renderer! |
| 10:44.17 | mece | that should help |
| 10:44.38 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:44.44 | mece | the main lib so file is 62Mb |
| 10:44.52 | lardman | wishes his client would remember the time at which a highlight was made |
| 10:46.39 | SpeedEvil | (05:45:35 PM) ***infobot bends lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t's pasty white buttocks. |
| 10:46.58 | lardman | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 10:47.10 | mece | wtf? |
| 10:47.10 | lardman | seems fair too, whoever cursed me |
| 10:47.21 | lardman | mece: lol |
| 10:47.35 | mece | haaahahahhaa |
| 10:47.36 | mece | :D |
| 10:47.39 | mece | good stuff |
| 10:56.43 | mece | Gaaaaah! stupid frackin scp! |
| 10:56.52 | FauxFaux | sshtar time. |
| 10:56.57 | mece | rips hair out |
| 10:57.06 | mece | FauxFaux, going for rsync. |
| 10:57.40 | mece | scp make symlinks copies of file. so now I have 2 of those 62Mb files. |
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| 10:59.07 | FIQ|n900 | Hmm |
| 10:59.27 | FIQ|n900 | Indeed, some form of highlight history would be nice |
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| 11:01.29 | massoud | Hi guys, I am looking on how to get IPv6 support on my N900 |
| 11:01.29 | SpeedEvil | mece: rsync |
| 11:01.31 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 11:01.34 | mece | ;) |
| 11:01.52 | psycho_oreos | massoud, compile a custom kernel that has ipv6 support? |
| 11:01.52 | mece | actually I targz'd it and then scp'd. was faster. saved 80Mb :D |
| 11:02.47 | mece | are there issues with ipv6 support or could that be included in cssu I wonder? |
| 11:05.18 | SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/225/ Still funny. ;) |
| 11:06.08 | massoud | psycho_oreos : there is now kernel mod available w/ IPv6 support ready for n900, i wonder there should be lots of n900 users that want ipv6 support ? |
| 11:06.50 | psycho_oreos | massoud, maybe, when IANA phases out IPv4 |
| 11:08.11 | xkr47 | ipv6 will probably run out of addresses before that happens |
| 11:08.28 | xkr47 | around 2020 ;) |
| 11:09.43 | psycho_oreos | more like 2012, the end of the world. There will be hardly anyone left that will still be fiddling with technology when there are epic crisis everywhere |
| 11:10.18 | massoud | so none of you guys run ipv6 on n900 ? :) |
| 11:10.37 | crashanddie | I run IPv7 |
| 11:10.54 | crashanddie | planning to upgrade to IPv11 next month |
| 11:11.01 | psycho_oreos | the experimental IPv8? that's interesting |
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| 11:12.38 | psycho_oreos | whoa, my nose will so bleed -_-' technology evolving way faster than what humans are able to do with their noodle filled brain |
| 11:13.01 | psycho_oreos | its like travelling at warp speed |
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| 11:17.16 | timeless_w7ip | massoud: there was a nokia-palo-alto released ipv6 for maemo tech demo iirc |
| 11:17.30 | timeless_w7ip | but note that ipv6 on mobile phones is more or less a disaster |
| 11:17.36 | khorben_ | indeed |
| 11:17.43 | timeless_w7ip | because the cellular network design is broken |
| 11:17.58 | timeless_w7ip | and you basically need the networks to deploy a new thing |
| 11:18.02 | timeless_w7ip | and they're terrible at fast roll out |
| 11:18.06 | khorben_ | http://i2catblogctx.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/ready-to-go-ipv6-think-again/ |
| 11:21.22 | massoud | timeless_w7ip : thanks a lot, do you have a DL link for the kernel image, I would like to run mesh-network wifi protocol |
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| 11:23.11 | massoud | I want to run babeld on my n900 to run sip tests over the mesh network |
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| 11:30.31 | mece | hmpf since there is ff4 for maemo, you'd think you would be able to find xulrunner-dev for maemo somewhere. |
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| 11:33.33 | sq-one | is it possible to forward X on the n900? I alreadey installed the ssh_d and in /etc/ssh/sshd_config X11 forwarding is enabled |
| 11:35.07 | mece | sq-one, yes. should work |
| 11:35.15 | mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41168 |
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| 11:36.03 | mece | s/http:\/\/talk.maemo.org\/showthread.php?t=41168/sq-one, here are some comments about it: http:\/\/talk.maemo.org\/showthread.php?t=41168/ |
| 11:36.10 | mece | hmpf. |
| 11:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: mind to elaborate what's the GSM borne network problems with IPv6? |
| 11:48.19 | timeless_w7ip | http://rfc-ref.org/RFC-TEXTS/4215/chapter1.html |
| 11:48.20 | timeless_w7ip | perhaps? |
| 11:48.44 | timeless_w7ip | please keep in mind that this isn't my area |
| 11:49.07 | timeless_w7ip | but basically it seems that when you connect to the network you make a connection which gives you an ipv4 |
| 11:49.18 | timeless_w7ip | and you aren't really in a position to also ask for an ipv6 |
| 11:49.32 | timeless_w7ip | worse, it seems that the deployed hardware isn't in any position to give you an ipv6 |
| 11:49.48 | pahartik | massoud: I chose "Nokia N900" year ago as I wanted to have IPv6 subnet for Bluetooth PAN over mobile network uplink always in my pocket |
| 11:50.48 | timeless_w7ip | doc: basically of all the groups not remotely well positioned to deploy ipv6, the cellular industry is #1 |
| 11:51.18 | timeless_w7ip | there's also iiuc concern that trying to deploy ipv6 in certain other manners would break "legacy" devices :) |
| 11:51.36 | timeless_w7ip | and since a legacy device is basically any phone from before say 2011 or 2012 or 2013 |
| 11:51.41 | timeless_w7ip | that's a lot of phones :) |
| 11:52.14 | timeless_w7ip | this doesn't even cover fun stuff like ipv6 for mms message centers |
| 11:52.37 | timeless_w7ip | or the fact that your cell provider might not have working ipv6 routing to a destination |
| 11:52.44 | timeless_w7ip | (that's the normal ipv6 hassle) |
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| 11:53.44 | timeless_w7ip | docscrutinizer: is that sufficient? |
| 11:53.53 | timeless_w7ip | eep, missing lunch |
| 11:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | ahh |
| 11:53.57 | timeless_w7ip | sp3000: lunch plans? |
| 11:54.19 | timeless_w7ip | doc: basically exec summary: the cellular industry did a really bad job designing their protocol |
| 11:54.24 | timeless_w7ip | and a bad job in arranging their hardware |
| 11:54.38 | timeless_w7ip | and were incredibly lazy about planning for the future |
| 11:54.56 | timeless_w7ip | which makes them just like every other giant who doesn't plan for tomorrow or the next day |
| 11:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, now I realize there's some layers of IP stack implemented in modem FW :-S |
| 12:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | it occurs to me the data transfer via GPRS isn't like any usual NIC you tell about raw data and MAC of destination |
| 12:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, that pretty much kills IPv6 |
| 12:02.15 | timeless_w7ip | yeah |
| 12:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | It could've been so simple, change APN to APN-v6 |
| 12:02.30 | timeless_w7ip | basically cell phones won't get a chance at ipv6 until 2013 or so |
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| 12:02.36 | timeless_w7ip | long after we've run out of addresses |
| 12:02.57 | timeless_w7ip | all because of what are essentially layering violations on the part of the cell industry |
| 12:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 12:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | so what's our chances to see a IPv6 enabled cmt FW for N900? :-P |
| 12:06.38 | timeless_w7ip | hardly matters |
| 12:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: AIUI that nokia-palo-alto IPv6 implementation been a tunneling IPv6-over-v4, no? |
| 12:06.51 | timeless_w7ip | the odds of you having a non lame cellular provider aren't great |
| 12:06.59 | timeless_w7ip | doc: yeah it was tunneling |
| 12:07.13 | timeless_w7ip | but tunneling has advntages: .us PoP! |
| 12:07.16 | timeless_w7ip | hulu! |
| 12:07.30 | tybollt | timeless_w7ip: word |
| 12:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 12:07.33 | tybollt | hulu++ |
| 12:07.51 | tybollt | man I felt like such a haxx0r first time I did that ;) |
| 12:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) |
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| 12:09.02 | tybollt | used an anonymizer to get into hulu (which otherwise restricts me from accessing it due to my being outside of the US) |
| 12:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | (???)0°` :-) |
| 12:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | wtf hulu |
| 12:10.13 | tybollt | hulu is uh... |
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| 12:10.44 | tybollt | all the OMGPONIES!11 fun american sitcoms and drama shows streamed via flash on the web |
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| 12:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | prolly I don't want to know as I never missed it yet |
| 12:11.30 | tybollt | if you watch House MD or 2½ men or similar shit you'll likely find hulu usefull |
| 12:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | aah, that even explained WHY I never missed it |
| 12:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | I prefer House in a synced version, downloaded and easy playback, easy watching. I'm not a native English speaker and movies are incredibly uphill to watch for me |
| 12:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | even news at CNN are hard |
| 12:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | I prefer written English |
| 12:15.55 | timeless_w7ip | doc: ah |
| 12:15.59 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you should try sherlock holmes in english then, watch it as many times as you need to understand everything, then you might be ready for any london mouth |
| 12:16.04 | timeless_w7ip | note that generally you can buffer and play things back |
| 12:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | no leisure activity |
| 12:17.39 | chem|st | a london friend of mine made me become london mouth resistant... |
| 12:17.52 | chem|st | took about 2 years though |
| 12:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'd probably consider it more fun when somebody reads a sourcecode and I try to understand what the program does by listening to that |
| 12:18.32 | chem|st | try espeak... |
| 12:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | well, conversation face to face usually is easy, but listening to others talking their thing is hard |
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| 12:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | actually I prefer british to american English. Even Scottish is kinda nice, after an hour. But only when sitting with a guy and having a beer |
| 12:20.26 | chem|st | true |
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| 12:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | watched 4 episodes of House playback by N900 hooked up to TV recently. Only way to get downloaded files to a decent screen here |
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| 12:27.42 | lardman | is there a working Google Calendar sync method atm? |
| 12:28.36 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: British? It's English English thank you very much ;) |
| 12:29.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 12:30.22 | chem|st | english is refered to as american british or aussie... accent is another thing |
| 12:30.51 | chem|st | lardman: I thought exchange stuff wrapps around google?! |
| 12:31.49 | lardman | chem|st: Well I speak English as I am English, so no need for an affix ;) |
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| 12:31.57 | lardman | Exchange stuff doesn't work afair |
| 12:32.06 | lardman | comes up with connection errors, etc |
| 12:32.22 | lardman | s/affix/prefix |
| 12:33.16 | chem|st | lardman: you speak british english with an english accent which is different to talking american english with an english accent... |
| 12:33.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: what's the non-french tongue in canada called? and what does it sound like to a native speaker? |
| 12:34.08 | lardman | chem|st: I speak English, those in the US speak American English, etc |
| 12:34.10 | chem|st | that is funny in some movies where they meme an english accent but talk american |
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| 12:34.46 | lardman | DocScrutinizer51: Canadian English, sounds Canadian :) |
| 12:34.50 | chem|st | lardman: that sounds mor like religion... as scotts talk scot'ish?! |
| 12:35.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | sets wut I saut |
| 12:35.51 | lardman | chem|st: nah, just my pet peeve |
| 12:36.15 | E0x | chem|st: totally indeed.. |
| 12:36.34 | chem|st | by definition the only german speaking part of the world is in northern germany |
| 12:37.10 | chem|st | all other parts are called dialekt but most of them are an own language by definition |
| 12:37.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | hihihi |
| 12:37.31 | lardman | and it's called German there, not German German? ;) |
| 12:37.55 | timeless_w7ip | lardman: do you know people who speak Austrian? |
| 12:38.01 | timeless_w7ip | not to be confused with Austorian |
| 12:38.10 | lardman | Austrian German, yes |
| 12:38.10 | timeless_w7ip | and certainly not to be confused with Australian |
| 12:38.15 | lardman | :) |
| 12:38.17 | tybollt | true that, Bavarian is impossible to understand |
| 12:38.17 | chem|st | swiss german |
| 12:38.27 | tybollt | chem|st: bavarian |
| 12:38.29 | lardman | swiss german is nasty stuff |
| 12:38.39 | timeless_w7ip | how about Swiss Italian? |
| 12:38.49 | lardman | I don't speak Italian |
| 12:38.50 | chem|st | even worse |
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| 12:40.39 | lardman | my point is simply that in Germany they speak German, in Switzerland it's called Swiss German; in France they speak French, in Canada it's Canadian French; in England we speak English. British (English) is unneeded as a qualifier |
| 12:40.55 | timeless_w7ip | Does having a Swiss Franc entitle you to speak Swiss French? |
| 12:41.14 | timeless_w7ip | In Belgium they speak Belgian French? |
| 12:41.20 | macmaN | guys |
| 12:41.21 | timeless_w7ip | or Belgian Dutch? |
| 12:41.24 | chem|st | I speak fluent swabian, carintian (austrian dialekt) and understand most dialekts/languages german based in the south |
| 12:41.46 | macmaN | is there something that records battery life % into some data file with cpu usage % |
| 12:41.56 | timeless_w7ip | macman: we're busy having a pointless discussiom, if you want to be productive, might i suggest you ask again in 10mins? :) |
| 12:42.08 | lardman | timeless_w7ip: Belgian Dutch = Flemish afaiu |
| 12:42.16 | macmaN | or rather, any recommendations from the available battery-related packages |
| 12:42.17 | lcuk | macmaN, "BatteryGraph" |
| 12:42.26 | timeless_w7ip | lardman: but you said it should be called Belgian Dutch! |
| 12:42.35 | chem|st | realy hard you get with allemanian (southwest dialect close to the swiss boarder but still germany, close to swiss german but with swabian and badian influence) |
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| 12:42.53 | lardman | timeless_w7ip: no, I said that the British bit is unneeded on the front of English as a description of what is spoken in England |
| 12:43.16 | chem|st | macmaN: batterygraph? |
| 12:43.18 | macmaN | lcuk: aha ok that looks about right |
| 12:43.47 | chem|st | lardman: if read like this yes |
| 12:44.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | macmaN: bq27200.sh >my.log |
| 12:44.13 | macmaN | i am trying to figure out whether i should still use wifi switcher or does the power kernel do something etter |
| 12:44.17 | macmaN | better |
| 12:44.24 | macmaN | compared to stock kernel |
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| 12:44.47 | chem|st | but without telling that you are from "england" useless statement as the americans believe that they all talk perfect clean english |
| 12:45.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, both work ok, even without friggin switchers |
| 12:45.09 | lardman | and that is the crux of the problem ;) |
| 12:45.30 | lardman | anyway /me gives up annoying timeless_w7ip :) |
| 12:45.36 | lardman | sorry timeless_w7ip |
| 12:45.45 | chem|st | macmaN: if your wifi is set to powersaving and stuff not your wifi is draining the battery but your accounts logged in |
| 12:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | macmaN: seems all those other battery* apps are quite greedy and hog CPU and thus not only log but also deplete battery |
| 12:47.36 | macmaN | DocScrutinizer: including batterygraph or this one is OK |
| 12:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | also all of them rely on hal, and hal is spreading bme's lies |
| 12:47.47 | lardman | tries Erminig for Google sync |
| 12:47.52 | macmaN | mhmmm |
| 12:47.53 | macmaN | okay |
| 12:48.18 | macmaN | umm bq27200.sh refers to what |
| 12:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | checkout bq27200 |
| 12:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | to bq27200 :-) |
| 12:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | aka battery gauge chip |
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| 12:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | directly |
| 12:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | and immediately |
| 12:49.05 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Why do you think bme is reporting bad data? |
| 12:49.19 | chem|st | neal: because it does |
| 12:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | err, dunno, maybe because bme is crap? |
| 12:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's basically in line with what I got told by nokia affiliates that actually looked into it |
| 12:50.22 | neal | have you measured it? |
| 12:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | measured what? bme's lies? |
| 12:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not know where to attach the polygraph |
| 12:51.03 | neal | do you mean the percent that it reports? or the report volt/ampere? |
| 12:51.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what's the ssh command you use again? |
| 12:51.09 | neal | s/report/reported/ |
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| 12:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: mompls |
| 12:51.21 | neal | infobot: no I didn't |
| 12:51.36 | chem|st | neal: I did after my device stuck at 0% for hours with the same ampere-h left |
| 12:51.39 | lardman | hmm, Erminig doesn't seem to work |
| 12:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root t900 |
| 12:52.43 | lardman | heads to get some lunch |
| 12:52.50 | neal | chem|st: interesting, I haven't observed that. |
| 12:52.51 | chem|st | lardman: ++ |
| 12:52.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thanks |
| 12:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 12:53.07 | neal | chem|st: is it reproducible? |
| 12:53.08 | macmaN | DocScrutinizer: ok found bq27200.sh |
| 12:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | check CI=0 |
| 12:53.30 | chem|st | neal: with pr1.2 it shuts down at that point and I guess there are hours left as I can at least boot it up 3 times |
| 12:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | CI=1 means battery capacity calculations are incorrect |
| 12:54.19 | neal | chem|st: ah. I usually plug in after that. |
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| 12:54.27 | neal | DocScrutinizer: where do I read CI? |
| 12:54.31 | chem|st | neal: I had that 0% for hours several times yes |
| 12:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | in bq27200.sh output (not in loop mode though) |
| 12:55.03 | macmaN | CI=1 |
| 12:55.04 | macmaN | :/ |
| 12:55.15 | macmaN | why? WHYYY? |
| 12:55.23 | macmaN | runs away crying |
| 12:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | so you have to complete a learning cycle |
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| 12:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | means fully charge then completely discharge the cell |
| 12:56.18 | neal | DocScrutinizer: thanks. |
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| 12:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | neal: the most detail you get with bq27200.sh 5 |
| 12:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | there's no use in shorter period times |
| 12:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | as the chip's cycle time is 5.12s |
| 12:57.29 | neal | DocScrutinizer: where is that script? |
| 12:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | if you go for longer periods, you get a spotlight on last 5.12 s |
| 12:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ |
| 12:58.42 | neal | thanks |
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| 12:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you use bq.tar |
| 12:58.59 | sivang | so, maemo is probably the best OS nokia has every produced |
| 12:59.07 | macmaN | i would have to agree |
| 12:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 12:59.19 | macmaN | and most of it wasnt even done by them :> |
| 12:59.23 | sivang | anybody knows how to get out of S^4/N8 WHITE SCREEN OF DEATH other than waiting for the battery to crap? |
| 12:59.36 | FauxFaux | Remove the battery! |
| 12:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | use sledge hammer |
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| 12:59.51 | sivang | FauxFaux: can you get me that watch maker screwdriver? |
| 13:00.03 | sivang | this is really unbeliveble. |
| 13:00.06 | sivang | but mind you = |
| 13:00.13 | sivang | I think I know what is the culprit |
| 13:00.19 | sivang | the crappy nUnlock app |
| 13:00.26 | sivang | I removed it and then it went crazy |
| 13:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | look for very small holes that are NOT mic or speaker apertures :-D |
| 13:00.40 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I found them :) |
| 13:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | some phones have a reset switch |
| 13:00.55 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: right, but then I'd have to use the Phoenix |
| 13:01.00 | sivang | which I don't :-p |
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| 13:01.29 | sivang | there is no hope for microkernel based OSs :-p |
| 13:01.30 | sivang | no hope! |
| 13:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | also sometimes pressing power button for 15s might help |
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| 13:01.56 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: thank you doc! |
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| 13:02.07 | sivang | again, you save the day! |
| 13:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | duh :-D |
| 13:02.19 | sivang | I tried it before! |
| 13:02.22 | sivang | but now it worke. |
| 13:02.23 | sivang | worked |
| 13:02.29 | sivang | this non detriminism is killing me |
| 13:02.31 | sivang | I can't stand it. |
| 13:02.50 | sivang | cries for PR2.0 |
| 13:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | a semi-zombie OS can intercept hard shutdown via 15s powerbutton (sometimes) |
| 13:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | a completely frozen one can't |
| 13:03.34 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: right, so I had to wait for it to froze completely |
| 13:03.50 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: is that related to too quick context switching not allowing the power interrupt to pass? |
| 13:03.57 | sivang | e..g the interception |
| 13:04.19 | sivang | or too aggresive swaping? |
| 13:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | err, it's like kernel is resetting the watchdog that times the 15s |
| 13:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | in hw |
| 13:04.50 | sivang | due to ? |
| 13:04.53 | sivang | too many apps ? |
| 13:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it has to do this every time again you press & holdthe button |
| 13:05.00 | sivang | requesting the damn thing for serviuces? |
| 13:05.23 | sivang | this NEVER happend me with Maemo btw |
| 13:05.24 | sivang | never |
| 13:05.41 | sivang | and if an app strays, I can kil it like I do on on Ubuntu. #go linux! |
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| 13:05.56 | vldcnst | Is it possible to use the PC's sound input/output for N900 calls over USB networking? |
| 13:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | sure, maemo has like 3 watchdogs :-D |
| 13:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | one of them will trigger usually |
| 13:06.49 | sivang | I love Maemo |
| 13:07.10 | sivang | but if symbian3 was augmented with this, I'm sure it could be great as well. and it is. |
| 13:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: it should be possible. Have fun figuring how to convince PA to actually do it |
| 13:07.34 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: PA needs to rute to BT and that's it? ;) |
| 13:07.42 | anathaema | indeed that sounds like something pulseaudio is designed to be able to do |
| 13:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | BT via USB? |
| 13:07.47 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer51: use the BT stuff? |
| 13:07.49 | sivang | I want to say that again: Maemo, I LOVE YOU. |
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| 13:07.52 | vldcnst | -51 |
| 13:07.53 | anathaema | but good luck convincing it |
| 13:08.06 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: oh, quick to reading. |
| 13:08.08 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 13:08.09 | sivang | or too quick |
| 13:08.23 | MohammadAG | apparently the stock player reads metadata off tracker and sets it again in mafw |
| 13:08.39 | MohammadAG | thus... wasting even more resources |
| 13:09.02 | MohammadAG | then emits a metadata changed signal |
| 13:09.33 | sivang | also, Joikuspot seems to crap S^3 while with MAemo it goes un-noticed |
| 13:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | I bet there's a niche case where that's needed to fix fsck'd-ness of tracker |
| 13:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | ...and tracker *based* app |
| 13:09.57 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: lol |
| 13:10.01 | sivang | re: tracker fsck'ness |
| 13:10.08 | MohammadAG | nope, my mediaplayer doesn't get metadata from tracker and works fine |
| 13:10.20 | MohammadAG | it gets it straight from mafw |
| 13:10.35 | MohammadAG | there's no need to get metadata, set it, then get it again |
| 13:10.45 | MohammadAG | more like UI fsckness |
| 13:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: except in that weird case where some app A is writing new files to foo while B is renaming it and tracker does a global reindex while mediaplayer using tracker data to show album art... get the pictuure? |
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| 13:12.04 | sivang | now i wonde if people are exeporiencing audio issues with the N8? |
| 13:12.11 | MohammadAG | there's a signal for that, no need to get, set, get |
| 13:12.25 | MohammadAG | yes, it only has one speaker and that can easily be covered |
| 13:12.30 | MohammadAG | stabs hardware design team |
| 13:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | to make things worse, that problem they tried to fix this way probably vanished in PR1.0.1 |
| 13:13.04 | sivang | MohammadAG: maemo is like 4000% better in sound quality |
| 13:13.13 | sivang | MohammadAG: when using earpiece |
| 13:13.44 | MohammadAG | someone kill the sound policy daemon, kthxbai |
| 13:13.52 | sivang | heh |
| 13:13.59 | sivang | MohammadAG: maemo/ s^3? |
| 13:14.05 | MohammadAG | maemo |
| 13:14.27 | sivang | and the one speaker? |
| 13:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | hah, my ACI audio concept (to kill / avoid PA crap) finally seems to make it into SHR and thus maybe also on N900 |
| 13:14.47 | MohammadAG | N8 |
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| 13:15.02 | MohammadAG | I want mixed audio sources |
| 13:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | damn that took a few years to take pace |
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| 13:15.10 | sivang | so, I wonder if 'Social' is the virus like program for accessing FB from N8 |
| 13:15.11 | MohammadAG | I don't care if my caller listens to my music |
| 13:15.14 | sivang | wants to remove it |
| 13:15.25 | MohammadAG | and twitter |
| 13:15.38 | sivang | MohammadAG: yes, I have a home made replacement for both ;) |
| 13:15.40 | sivang | Snaptu |
| 13:15.42 | MohammadAG | programmed in some awesome web-based language |
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| 13:15.46 | MohammadAG | making it crappy |
| 13:15.58 | MohammadAG | </sarcasm> |
| 13:16.07 | anathaema | can you send arbitrary pulseaudio sources to callers? |
| 13:16.11 | sivang | MohammadAG: you mean snaptu or the OVI ware? |
| 13:16.33 | anathaema | actually better question, can n900 run asterix? |
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| 13:16.59 | sivang | oh dear, it can't be removed! |
| 13:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | meh, there's * for N900, but hnestly NOBODY needs that |
| 13:17.07 | sivang | S3 won't |
| 13:17.15 | MohammadAG | Social app |
| 13:17.15 | sivang | anathaema: it runs, yes |
| 13:17.27 | sivang | MohammadAG: you mean, social crap :) |
| 13:17.32 | sivang | fires snaptu |
| 13:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | anathaema: do you want to call trunk B from trunk A on your N900? how would it support more than one UA? |
| 13:19.10 | anathaema | actually i'd be more interested in the voice menuing stuff |
| 13:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, oh well |
| 13:19.52 | sivang | anathaema: I'm afraid that is going to eat your CPUs |
| 13:19.56 | anathaema | "if you really really want to speak to anathaema now press "1"" |
| 13:20.03 | sivang | anathaema: you better make sure it is plugged for that if you're using G729 |
| 13:20.15 | anathaema | that alone would eliminate 99% of junk calls |
| 13:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt a B2B-UA like * is the right approach to implement voice dialing on N900 |
| 13:20.37 | sivang | I agree with DocScrutinizer |
| 13:20.48 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: btw, any progress on the FMtx/rx docs? |
| 13:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: duh, that completely dropped off my desktop |
| 13:21.18 | anathaema | i don't think there is anything lightweight that does even the simple stuff i'm talking about |
| 13:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 13:21.34 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: no prob, I not in my best the last couple of months either |
| 13:21.42 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: when you have time |
| 13:21.51 | anathaema | i'm intending a "prove you are a human" call screener |
| 13:21.53 | sivang | I am going to start with a good read of whatever you come up with anyways |
| 13:22.02 | sivang | this area of development really intrigues me |
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| 13:22.12 | anathaema | the audio version of captcha |
| 13:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: probably you better exploit my feedback and rant by simply talking to me live |
| 13:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | here |
| 13:22.29 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: okay, will do. |
| 13:22.36 | sivang | but now now :) |
| 13:22.39 | sivang | have to run soon. |
| 13:22.44 | sivang | weekend hopfully |
| 13:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | anathaema: you probably want to augment a TAM app |
| 13:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | for that |
| 13:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt * could sanely interface to GSM calls (yet?) |
| 13:24.07 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: it has the codec, but that's about it.. |
| 13:24.10 | sivang | AFAIK |
| 13:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | codec??? |
| 13:24.23 | sivang | the gsm codec, |
| 13:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | what friggin codec? |
| 13:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | the GSM codec is in cmt afaik |
| 13:24.36 | sivang | so it can decode and transfer to some other one :) |
| 13:24.39 | sivang | cmt? |
| 13:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | modem |
| 13:24.46 | DocScrutinizer | BB5 |
| 13:24.59 | sivang | I'm talking about the codec to encode data as GSM and decode it |
| 13:25.07 | sivang | there are modules for that for both freeSWITCH and * |
| 13:25.10 | sivang | that's all :) |
| 13:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | useless |
| 13:25.17 | sivang | talks out of his arse |
| 13:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | see above |
| 13:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | you can't access raw GSM call OTA data |
| 13:25.53 | sivang | right |
| 13:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | *because* the codec is in BB5 modem, not on AP |
| 13:25.59 | sivang | so you have to interface with the modem |
| 13:26.05 | sivang | yep |
| 13:26.07 | sivang | got it |
| 13:26.38 | anathaema | tam? |
| 13:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise crypted GSM calls were actually possible |
| 13:26.50 | anathaema | you must not mean texas association of museums |
| 13:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | tel answering machine |
| 13:26.55 | anathaema | aha |
| 13:27.08 | neal | I can't seem to reliably catch dsme's shutdown_ind |
| 13:27.24 | neal | I shutdown from the menu |
| 13:27.27 | neal | (not the command line) |
| 13:27.44 | anathaema | i dunno |
| 13:28.06 | anathaema | i know i need a working charger that plugs into 12V nominal |
| 13:28.11 | neal | I've tried it about 10 times. I managed to catch it once. |
| 13:28.38 | anathaema | my n900 ran out of juice while i was riding yesterday and i got mexican christian radio |
| 13:28.54 | crashanddie | is that a euphemism? |
| 13:29.04 | ruskie | fun |
| 13:29.16 | anathaema | no, the display on the bike's stereo is out |
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| 13:29.41 | anathaema | and the first clear frequency i could find has a mexican church station next to it that bleeds in |
| 13:30.01 | anathaema | but if the n900 transmits you don't hear it |
| 13:30.48 | tybollt | so there you were listening to a mariachi band? :) |
| 13:30.49 | anathaema | i don't want to hear the news about jesus much less hey zeus |
| 13:31.15 | anathaema | or hey suse |
| 13:31.22 | tybollt | cheezus |
| 13:31.33 | sivang | lol |
| 13:31.42 | anathaema | i don't even understand spanish |
| 13:31.54 | sivang | snaptu just made me paste my email onto my fb wall... |
| 13:32.01 | anathaema | i took french in school and that was many many years ago |
| 13:32.05 | sivang | God, oh dear mighty god, please release us from them BOOGS! |
| 13:32.43 | anathaema | anyhow i bought a bluetooth dongle yesterday for the next time i need to use the n900 as a modem |
| 13:33.11 | anathaema | it worked fine when our net was down but had to stay plugged into the pc |
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| 13:33.43 | anathaema | oh and i sucked like 1gb of bandwidth from tmobile that day |
| 13:34.05 | xd13 | ya i'm still on tmobiles unlimited with 450 for 60/month |
| 13:34.07 | anathaema | screw them and their "5gb is unlimited" |
| 13:34.22 | timeless_w7ip | chuckles |
| 13:34.29 | anathaema | they don't charge if you go over |
| 13:34.35 | timeless_w7ip | unlimited is what the market will bear without filing suit |
| 13:34.39 | anathaema | but they claim they can clamp your bandwidth |
| 13:34.50 | timeless_w7ip | you guys need to sue earlier, more often, and for better damages |
| 13:34.54 | xd13 | i've never actually payed attention to it but i don't think i will ever go over |
| 13:35.09 | anathaema | att/swbell is starting to have bandwidth quotas on DSL now |
| 13:35.18 | nidO | or just complain loud enough, thats what I did with o2 and they backed down |
| 13:35.48 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/22/nokia_tablet_os_choice/ <-- "so Nokia has been thinking about tablets for the best part of a year - well, since the iPad was released..." <-- erm last I checked nokia had tablets on the brain since a few years ago... |
| 13:36.27 | anathaema | nokia calls the n900 a tablet |
| 13:37.07 | xd13 | nokia won't be releasing any more updates for it right? because i disabled the nokia repositories |
| 13:37.14 | anathaema | other than the small screen it beats an ipad |
| 13:37.23 | ruskie | frankly anything beats an ipad |
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| 13:37.40 | anathaema | my brother in law bought one |
| 13:37.51 | xd13 | i would never buy an apple product |
| 13:37.53 | anathaema | his son works for apple so he got the employee price |
| 13:37.57 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 13:38.03 | ruskie | so some spare change got left there |
| 13:38.18 | anathaema | but it still cost too much imo |
| 13:38.35 | anathaema | i got my n900 for $350 |
| 13:38.38 | ruskie | I spent doubl to buy a n900 than I spent on a ps3 |
| 13:38.41 | anathaema | and it's almost open |
| 13:39.47 | anathaema | do i want a class 10 micro sdhc as opposed to class 4? |
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| 13:39.59 | ruskie | yes? |
| 13:40.01 | nidO | depends what you're planning to do with it. |
| 13:40.32 | sivang | thanks DocScrutinizer , others. see you all later. |
| 13:41.08 | anathaema | i'm planning on installing meego to it |
| 13:41.31 | nidO | you might be better with class6 imo |
| 13:41.33 | anathaema | maybe shooting some video to it also |
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| 13:41.48 | anathaema | frys had class 4 and class 10 |
| 13:42.04 | anathaema | in 32gb microsd cards |
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| 13:42.12 | anathaema | i should buy one from amazon |
| 13:42.15 | neal | the class is the minimum MB/s |
| 13:42.18 | mece | well class 10 if you can afford it. |
| 13:43.21 | anathaema | i9n that case frys rips people off on the class 4 ones |
| 13:43.41 | anathaema | they sell them at same price as class 10 |
| 13:43.49 | nidO | srsly? |
| 13:44.00 | nidO | you sure its not a branded class4 vs a noname class10? |
| 13:44.06 | anathaema | $99 for a 32gb micro sd |
| 13:44.27 | anathaema | the class 10 is patriot |
| 13:44.37 | ruskie | I like patriot |
| 13:44.40 | anathaema | same brand that amazon has for cheap |
| 13:45.14 | anathaema | and they say if i find a lower price on the web they will match it |
| 13:45.16 | ruskie | most ram I have in systems and a few SD cards and a few USB keys are all patriot |
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| 13:45.26 | anathaema | i carry an n900 hope they back that up |
| 13:45.54 | anathaema | i can pull up amazon in firefox right in the store :) |
| 13:49.17 | anathaema | i think i paid like $10 over the amazon price on a bluetooth dongle yesterday |
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| 14:00.26 | merlin1991 | tries the ovi suite backupthingy with the n900 just for fun |
| 14:00.38 | merlin1991 | wonder how much stuff is going to break :P |
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| 14:07.28 | timeless_w7ip | wouldn't do that |
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| 14:12.30 | merlin1991 | it worked fine, but generates an ugly .nbu binary blob with all the stuff in it |
| 14:12.40 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 14:23.29 | neal | I figured out my shutdown_ind problem. Basically my application didn't managed to process the message within the grace period. Does anybody know how to extend that time a bit? |
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| 14:48.38 | pupnik_ | more daimonin for maemo screenshots http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/55979-daimonin-mmorpg/page__view__findpost__p__944030 |
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| 15:04.19 | rm_work | :P |
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| 15:05.45 | lcuk | rm_work, :P |
| 15:06.00 | rm_work | lcuk: :P |
| 15:06.19 | rm_work | lcuk: how goes it |
| 15:07.08 | lcuk | it goes well, though very tiring :) |
| 15:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 15:07.47 | rm_work | yeah |
| 15:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 15:08.11 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
| 15:08.11 | rm_work | nice to still see you and GAN around periodically :P |
| 15:08.19 | rm_work | seems the community is dwindling little by little, feels a bit sad, soon will not hear from any of my Maemo friends anymore >_< |
| 15:08.46 | rm_work | also, not sure how you ever got ANYTHING done while you had a dayjob <_< |
| 15:09.07 | rm_work | the only reason i ever had time to work on stuff was because I was a student with like 70% free time |
| 15:09.40 | rm_work | now i get home, collapse, play like 30 min of video games and sleep :/ |
| 15:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | better than 100% free time - you definitely get nuttin done then |
| 15:10.28 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: T_T -- though I suppose there's something to be said for that, i got less done when I was completely unemployed than i did when i was in school |
| 15:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | except feeding infobot |
| 15:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 15:10.34 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
| 15:12.06 | rm_work | pupnik_: only one of those images loads :/ |
| 15:13.35 | npm | can someone confirm that qmlviewer on n900 eventually crashes even though other platforms (meego netbook/fedora desktop) work ok: see http://lists.qt.nokia.com/pipermail/qt-qml/2011-March/002468.html for details and video of app working w/o segmentation fault on desktop.... |
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| 15:16.37 | imerso | hi Guys |
| 15:16.58 | imerso | just curious if anyone has a weird bug when using x11vnc |
| 15:17.11 | imerso | ok i control my n900 from PC using x11vnc |
| 15:17.15 | imerso | it works really great |
| 15:17.17 | imerso | except |
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| 15:17.30 | FauxFaux | It causes you to press enter randomly? |
| 15:17.31 | imerso | the builtin browser, it does not respond to mouse clicks/drags |
| 15:17.47 | imerso | not even that, only the builtin browser does not work properly |
| 15:17.54 | imerso | everything else (including opera) works perfectly |
| 15:18.08 | imerso | but I like the builtin browser, and ovistore only accepts it |
| 15:18.21 | imerso | anyone having this same problem? |
| 15:18.48 | imerso | FauxFaux? =) |
| 15:19.00 | FauxFaux | It's really annoying, don't do it. |
| 15:19.18 | imerso | well, everything else works nicely |
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| 15:22.20 | imerso | even Debian works great |
| 15:22.34 | imerso | I just can't understand WHY the builtin browser is the only app that does not work! |
| 15:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | ask timeless_w7ip how the microB off-screen gestures got implemented |
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| 15:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised to learn microB is using a slightly different scheme to access pointer coords and moves |
| 15:25.19 | imerso | hummm |
| 15:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | just handwaving |
| 15:25.41 | imerso | =) |
| 15:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | some say my handwaving is usually good |
| 15:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | anyway AIUI microB UI is closed, so no luck in doing anything about it |
| 15:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | except.... |
| 15:27.46 | imerso | nothing against your handwaving, lol |
| 15:28.28 | Sazpaimon | doesn't fennec work just as well? |
| 15:28.32 | Sazpaimon | hasn't used it |
| 15:29.01 | lcuk | rm_work, I have just made a new n8x0 app :) once it works I will be posting it |
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| 15:29.29 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall some rumour about native zooming of whole X screen (in cssu), so maybe if you could shrink the display a itsy bit so the virtual screensize also contains the off-screen areas in a small "black" frame... |
| 15:29.40 | imerso | except? |
| 15:29.41 | rm_work | my n800 doesn't work very well anymore |
| 15:29.46 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, offscreen gestures are just a stroke that starts at X=0 |
| 15:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | you're sure? |
| 15:30.12 | imerso | oh |
| 15:30.19 | lcuk | well that was how I wrote them when I was playing |
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| 15:30.36 | lcuk | often tries to see "simple" way to do complex stuff |
| 15:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | I definitely know sensitive area extends to offscreen (aka negative) values |
| 15:30.46 | lcuk | yes DocScrutinizer reading the ts driver |
| 15:30.51 | lcuk | but since these are x11 apps |
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| 15:31.17 | imerso | well, when I drag from the VNC client, the microB shows a mouse icon in the bottom left |
| 15:31.32 | imerso | I never see that icon when dragging on the device itself |
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| 15:32.05 | imerso | but using VNC client (from PC), it shows the mouse icon in bottom left and does nothing |
| 15:32.33 | imerso | and it does not click links |
| 15:32.37 | imerso | really weird |
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| 15:32.53 | imerso | weird because everything else (all apps I tried until now) works |
| 15:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | imerso: the same icon you get when sliding in from lower left into screen on N900 microB? |
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| 15:33.53 | imerso | never see that icon on device itself |
| 15:34.00 | imerso | dont know how to reproduce that |
| 15:34.12 | imerso | I see it only when dragging from VNC client |
| 15:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | imerso: is it that icon I just asked you? |
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| 15:34.41 | imerso | well I suppose it is |
| 15:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | there definitely is such an icon |
| 15:34.59 | imerso | it is a big icon with an arrow pointing to upper left |
| 15:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | if you never seen it on N900 then you never used the select mode in microB |
| 15:35.07 | imerso | it appears lower left |
| 15:35.18 | imerso | I never seen it before when using the device itself |
| 15:35.25 | imerso | yes, I never used select mode |
| 15:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | yesyesyesyesysesysersyse |
| 15:35.39 | imerso | I am new to N900 (not to computing but to N900 yes) |
| 15:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | I think you told that 3 times now |
| 15:35.54 | imerso | =) |
| 15:36.03 | imerso | sorry |
| 15:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | would you please do that encumbrance and open microb on N900, then slide from outside into screen hotizontally on lower left side? |
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| 15:38.20 | imerso | oh |
| 15:38.29 | imerso | yes, doing that the same icon appears |
| 15:38.38 | imerso | i knew about gestures but never got interested |
| 15:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures |
| 15:39.07 | imerso | but yes, sliding this way on device really brings the same icon |
| 15:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | so now we got some clue what's going on |
| 15:39.37 | imerso | yes, thank you |
| 15:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | not that it makes us any wiser instantly |
| 15:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | iirc that icon should vanish after some 3s if not clicked |
| 15:40.48 | imerso | yes |
| 15:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | which restores cursor to normal operation |
| 15:41.18 | imerso | yes, but the click is ignored |
| 15:41.26 | imerso | so I can't drag nor enter links |
| 15:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | is that icon also vanishing in vnc? |
| 15:41.45 | imerso | I can use cursor keys to scroll the page, though |
| 15:41.59 | imerso | yes, it is vanishing in vnc as well |
| 15:42.16 | imerso | the interface around the web page works |
| 15:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | and reappers as soon as you do any mouse move? |
| 15:42.29 | imerso | only the rendered web page does not work |
| 15:42.46 | imerso | yes, it reappears |
| 15:43.00 | imerso | when I click within the rendering rectangle |
| 15:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | are you using a trackpad? |
| 15:43.14 | imerso | I am using a 3 button mouse |
| 15:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 15:43.22 | imerso | a standard mouse |
| 15:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 15:43.33 | imerso | 2 buttons + scroll wheel |
| 15:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | it seems like mouse cursor gets moved to left side immediately as soon as there are no more mouse events |
| 15:45.05 | imerso | I can use opera but I would prefer to use the microB |
| 15:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | could you try to move mouse to a link and circle around that link - always keeping it moving - until the icon disappears, then click the link |
| 15:45.23 | imerso | it is builtin, and I like its features =) |
| 15:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | imerso: we all got your motivation |
| 15:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | this is a bug that needs get killed |
| 15:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | no need to applologize |
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| 15:46.27 | imerso | well, circling does zoom |
| 15:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | it shouldn't |
| 15:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | unless you got mouse button presssed |
| 15:47.00 | imerso | oh |
| 15:47.15 | imerso | if i only move the mouse without clicking, the icon does not appear |
| 15:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 15:47.27 | imerso | if i click or click and drag, the icon appear |
| 15:47.34 | imerso | even clicking links |
| 15:47.42 | imerso | but not clicking, it does nothing |
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| 15:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | could your N900 touchscreen be defective, always sensing a non existent press event? |
| 15:49.05 | imerso | working on device is perfect |
| 15:49.14 | imerso | device is absolutely new and perfect |
| 15:49.24 | imerso | the problem is only when using a VNC client from PC |
| 15:49.31 | imerso | x11vnc running on device |
| 15:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | please open a drawing program and try to draw some freehand lines |
| 15:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 |
| 15:49.57 | imerso | humm, could it be some parameter I edited on the x11vnc? |
| 15:49.59 | imerso | humm |
| 15:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | sure, could be some x11vnc config |
| 15:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | regarding mouse |
| 15:50.57 | imerso | I tried Sketch, it works fine |
| 15:50.59 | imerso | perfect |
| 15:51.05 | imerso | everything I tried works perfect |
| 15:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's some weird thing in vnc then, I guess |
| 15:51.44 | imerso | but why only the builtin browser? |
| 15:51.49 | imerso | everything else works 100% |
| 15:51.58 | imerso | well, ok then, no problem at all |
| 15:52.01 | imerso | I can live with that |
| 15:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | though I'm not sure if it's a flaw in microB maybe. I never tested microB via VNC |
| 15:52.10 | imerso | and use Opera when under VNC |
| 15:52.42 | imerso | I have edited /usr/share/applications/hildon/x11vnc.desktop |
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| 15:52.51 | imerso | the parameter: Exec=/usr/bin/x11vnc -usepw -remap Return-KP_Enter |
| 15:53.01 | imerso | (use password, remap keyboard) |
| 15:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | maybe somebody here can reproduce and verify/flasify the microB issue. I got no such setup so I could do that right now |
| 15:55.27 | imerso | ok, thank you very much for your time |
| 15:55.30 | timeless_w7ip | so |
| 15:55.37 | timeless_w7ip | technically microb acts as a daemon |
| 15:55.51 | timeless_w7ip | which means that someone could replace tablet-browser-* and still talk to microb |
| 15:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: is there anything special in the way microB detects mouse events? |
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| 15:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | so it could explain imerso 's problem |
| 16:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC microB is doing some magic to decide if that's a stylus or a finger |
| 16:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | plus some special filtering based on that distinction |
| 16:02.07 | timeless_w7ip | there definitely has at times been stuff to deal w/ pressure |
| 16:02.15 | imerso | well, I'm new to the N900/Maemo, but not to computing (I work professionally as a programmer) |
| 16:02.21 | timeless_w7ip | so yeah, it's possible that if there's no pressure you're going to get the wrong behavior |
| 16:02.23 | imerso | I could try to fix that if the source were available |
| 16:02.28 | timeless_w7ip | perhaps you can hard code a pressure value? |
| 16:02.28 | imerso | but I suppose it's closed source? |
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| 16:02.36 | timeless_w7ip | imerso: could you try paying attention? |
| 16:02.41 | timeless_w7ip | this was covered 5 or so screens ago |
| 16:02.48 | timeless_w7ip | and you not paying attention hasn't won you any friends |
| 16:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and as a touchscreen doesn't allow mouse events without button-pressed, I could think of microB ignoring the fact there might be moves that don't click |
| 16:03.43 | timeless_w7ip | anyway, i'd probably try tweaking the n900 vnc side so that it includes pressure sometimes |
| 16:03.53 | timeless_w7ip | or something like it |
| 16:04.17 | timeless_w7ip | note that the browser was more or less developed w/ Xephyr like everything else |
| 16:04.28 | timeless_w7ip | so if VNC can behave like Xephyr, it should more or less work |
| 16:04.45 | timeless_w7ip | if it's behaving *less* like Xephyr, then that'd be a bug in its port for Maemo |
| 16:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | oooh xephyr - good point |
| 16:05.11 | timeless_w7ip | its=vnc |
| 16:07.31 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work: :P |
| 16:07.37 | rm_work | :P |
| 16:07.38 | villager | hmm, seems using video glasses with n900 has the disadvantage that I cant see where on the touchscreen I'm trying to tap |
| 16:07.43 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work: it'll rejuvenate a bit when we have new hardware again. |
| 16:07.53 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: yeah, always does |
| 16:07.56 | GeneralAntilles | It always gets like this because Nokia is completely incapable of providing continuity. |
| 16:07.58 | rm_work | but, who knows when that'll be |
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| 16:09.17 | lardman | GeneralAntilles, rm_work: agreed on both counts |
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| 16:10.10 | rm_work | lardman: was remembering the discussion we had about vectormap server/client system for local or internet stored vectormaps |
| 16:10.29 | lardman | yeah I keep thinking about that, and keep thinking that I don't have the time to do it :) |
| 16:10.30 | rm_work | lardman: i don't think we ever actually did anything for that? or if something was done, i never got in on it |
| 16:10.34 | rm_work | same >_> |
| 16:10.52 | rm_work | I'm thinking about looking into the server portion |
| 16:11.01 | lardman | Nah, I never did anything, but there is now a rendering lib for the OSM data, so it would probably be reasonably simple to setup for that |
| 16:11.01 | rm_work | if we can write up a good protocol for it |
| 16:11.06 | rm_work | if it doesn't already exist |
| 16:11.27 | lardman | I'd just use whatever Maemomapper asks for, e.g. the Google maps format for tiles |
| 16:11.33 | rm_work | does a protocol for serving the vectormaps already exist then>? |
| 16:11.37 | rm_work | ah yeah |
| 16:11.37 | rm_work | k |
| 16:11.45 | lardman | the lib is supposed to be used internally afaiu |
| 16:11.50 | rm_work | yeah |
| 16:11.52 | lardman | libmemphis iirc? |
| 16:11.58 | rm_work | cause you serve the pngs |
| 16:12.03 | lardman | Yep |
| 16:12.08 | rm_work | yeah i'll look at it |
| 16:12.18 | rm_work | i guess really if the server was done, can just use MaemoMapper? |
| 16:12.21 | rm_work | as the frontend |
| 16:12.27 | rm_work | is there a working branch for N900? |
| 16:12.28 | lardman | But adding that in and also replicating the routing lookup html call would be good for offline routing proividers |
| 16:12.31 | rm_work | never actually saw it |
| 16:12.45 | rm_work | lardman: yeah was thinking seperate server process for routing |
| 16:12.53 | imerso | @DocScrutinizer: so, if I understood correctly, I could fix that changing X11VNC to pass pressure to the app? |
| 16:12.56 | pupnik_ | rm_work: perhaps you have imgur.com blocked |
| 16:12.59 | rm_work | since IIRC it is logically seperate in the GUI |
| 16:13.11 | rm_work | pupnik_: ah, yes, but usually i get error images instead of just broken links |
| 16:13.21 | lardman | rm_work: I'd have a single webserver to accept the requests for tiles and routing, then pass those off to separate processes if you want |
| 16:13.41 | rm_work | yeah well i suppose it wouldn't be hard to do both in the same app |
| 16:13.42 | lardman | running more than one webserver on the device seems a bit wasteful |
| 16:13.56 | rm_work | was just thinking then you could keep tiles offloaded to a server somewhere but do the routing locally |
| 16:14.08 | rm_work | if you wanted |
| 16:14.13 | rm_work | or VV |
| 16:14.16 | DocScrutinizer | imerso: I hafe not the faintest idea. But definitely you should be able to configure vnc so it behaves in a way it works with microB |
| 16:14.26 | rm_work | well bbl, gotta go to lunch :P |
| 16:14.33 | lardman | You could do that anyway as they both accept different addresses |
| 16:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | (or configure N900 so it does) |
| 16:14.47 | lardman | rm_work: I'll have a chat with you tomorrow |
| 16:14.58 | imerso | will look into that, thank you. |
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| 16:16.04 | lardman | What would also be interesting is reverse engineering the vector data format used by Ovi MAps |
| 16:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | imerso: obviously something makes the mouse position go to 0,0 when not moving the mouse |
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| 16:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | so microB thinks there's a swipe from 0,0 to current cursor pos whenever that icon appears |
| 16:18.31 | imerso | makes sense |
| 16:19.45 | imerso | is there any simples way to just disable gestures then? |
| 16:19.49 | imerso | i dont use that anyway |
| 16:20.13 | imerso | but that is ok, nevermind |
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| 16:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | as timeless_w7ip explained microB got tested and developed under xephyr, so there is a way to operate it with a standard mouse |
| 16:20.27 | imerso | this clarifies a lot already |
| 16:22.00 | timeless_w7ip | imerso: please don't think that the cursor in the corner is the cause of the problem |
| 16:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | but vnc or N900 X might introduce some touchscreenish into the mouse events |
| 16:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | nah, it's the type and sequence of mouse events that makes that icon appear, and this type and sequence has to change so the icon doesn't appear when it's not supposed to |
| 16:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | as it seems xephyr knows how to send the proper type and sequence |
| 16:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | or to pass it thru in a correct way, while on N900 it causes microB to think there's a swipe |
| 16:25.49 | imerso | ok, will try some things (first look into all x11vnc parameters) |
| 16:26.11 | imerso | if I don't find any config solution, will try fixing x11vnc then |
| 16:26.56 | imerso | if i find the time. =) |
| 16:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: are you sure microB is checking for button_pressed status of mouse-pos events when deciding to detect a swipe? |
| 16:27.51 | timeless_w7ip | you're asking me if i'm sure about code no one has touched in about 2 years |
| 16:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 16:28.01 | timeless_w7ip | which i barely touched at all in the first place? |
| 16:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | oh, sorry, don't know which code you touched |
| 16:28.26 | timeless_w7ip | i touched microb |
| 16:28.28 | timeless_w7ip | this isn't microb |
| 16:28.32 | timeless_w7ip | not really |
| 16:28.37 | timeless_w7ip | it's mostly tablet-browser-* |
| 16:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | err who else is checking for the swipe that pops up the select icon then? |
| 16:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I think you lost me. Anyway o/ |
| 16:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | off |
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| 16:37.09 | GAN900 | Man, all of this fancy new tablet hardware. |
| 16:37.13 | GAN900 | Where is Intel? |
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| 16:39.19 | timeless_w7ip | docscrutinizer: tablet-browser-ui = /usr/bin/browser.launch |
| 16:39.27 | timeless_w7ip | or whatever |
| 16:39.32 | timeless_w7ip | microb is /usr/bin/browserd |
| 16:39.38 | timeless_w7ip | they're unrelated processes |
| 16:39.58 | timeless_w7ip | but basically anything that's painting and has widget like behavior is probably coming from tablet-browser-ui or its relatives |
| 16:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | err, you even better lost me now. imerso talked about maemo browser |
| 16:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what's the widget like behaviour you mentioned |
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| 16:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | also what is painting here? |
| 16:44.50 | villager | DocScrutinizer: if you're going to say what vnc "should" do, you should probably keep in mind that Xephyr is an X server, while x11vnc is not, it just injects fake events... there may be limits to what x11vnc can do, xephyr has no such limits |
| 16:45.09 | timeless_w7ip | doc: maemo browser = /usr/bin/browser = tablet-browser-ui + tablet-browser-.... |
| 16:45.31 | imerso | so Xephyr would work perfectly even with the microb? |
| 16:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | quite intuitive |
| 16:45.49 | timeless_w7ip | the backend which actually retrieves data from the wire and thinks about how to talk to web pages and how stuff should appear on the screen = microb(gecko) = /usr/bin/browserd |
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| 16:46.17 | timeless_w7ip | imerso: well, "perfectly" might be overstating it |
| 16:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | villager: read backscroll, I mentioned that |
| 16:46.28 | timeless_w7ip | but it worked for most purposes |
| 16:46.35 | timeless_w7ip | and was used for development/testing |
| 16:46.58 | imerso | ok |
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| 16:47.46 | villager | DocScrutinizer: no, as far as I could tell, all you implied what that vnc did something *wrong* and *should* be able to do anything that xephyr could do, with no more limitations than xephyr |
| 16:47.46 | imerso | or, as said, one could modify x11vnc to pass pressure to the apps |
| 16:48.16 | imerso | reading x11vnc doc I can't find anything related to pressure |
| 16:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-22 17:25:43] <DocScrutinizer> or to pass it thru in a correct way, while on N900 it causes microB to think there's a swipe |
| 16:48.40 | imerso | so I guess it does not pass pressure info, if I understood what you guys said before |
| 16:48.54 | imerso | yes |
| 16:49.51 | timeless_w7ip | imerso: i'm not guaranteeing it's pressure that's the issue |
| 16:50.12 | timeless_w7ip | the point is that xvnc is clearly not sending the same set of messages as the real screen |
| 16:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's the missing check for button_pressed |
| 16:50.21 | imerso | ok, that I understood |
| 16:50.21 | villager | DocScrutinizer: yep, that's where you're probably wrong... also "you should be able to configure vnc ..." ... there may be *no way* that vnc can ever "pass through" or "be configured" to do what xephyr can do, since x11vnc does not act as an X server |
| 16:50.28 | timeless_w7ip | and xephyr to my knowledge sends a better set |
| 16:50.31 | imerso | so the fix is between x11vnc -> apps |
| 16:50.49 | imerso | the message x11vnc is passing to the system |
| 16:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | villager: <yawn> sorry if my wording been too fuzzy for you |
| 16:51.50 | timeless_w7ip | villager: it's possible to emulate an n button mouse by providing a field with a drop down for a button and a set of widgets for <down> <hold> <tap> <up> |
| 16:51.57 | imerso | but even then, it would be better to use something like xming on PC and xephyr on the n900? |
| 16:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | but yes, if that makes you feel better, I'm now aware xephyr is an alternative to X while vnc is "an alternative to mousedriver" |
| 16:52.08 | timeless_w7ip | we're not claiming "pass through" |
| 16:52.43 | timeless_w7ip | but i know for a fact that vnc does some things which are not "pass through" |
| 16:52.45 | villager | imerso: no... if the app queries the X server directly about stuff, instead of just looking at messages, then probably x11vnc cannot hope to intercept that since it's not the X server |
| 16:52.53 | timeless_w7ip | so to claim "oh, vnc can't do it, that violates layering" or something is BS |
| 16:53.11 | timeless_w7ip | because vnc has widgets and throbs which let it do or compose things instead of simply performing a pass through |
| 16:53.28 | timeless_w7ip | e.g. it has a menu item for <Ctrl>-<Alt>-<Del> |
| 16:53.33 | villager | though I admit I'm not totally sure how powerful the X-test extension really is |
| 16:53.36 | timeless_w7ip | because sure, you can't send ctrl-alt-del |
| 16:53.47 | timeless_w7ip | s/send/capture/ |
| 16:54.14 | timeless_w7ip | but you can insert a result equivalent to one, and it's important enough that they provide a way to do so |
| 16:55.18 | MohammadAG | how do I convert from URL to IP again? |
| 16:55.26 | korhojoa | hm? |
| 16:56.09 | MohammadAG | nevermind, /dns |
| 16:56.29 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 16:57.09 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: what did you try todo? |
| 16:58.01 | MohammadAG | do a burnout, didn't work |
| 16:59.37 | imerso | the thing I found most interesting is that even the microb interface around the rendering window works |
| 16:59.50 | imerso | only the rendering window, where the site is loaded, does not work |
| 17:00.52 | imerso | just remembering, everything else works, everything |
| 17:00.58 | imerso | (( will try an action game right now )) |
| 17:01.11 | imerso | trying a game, that does not make any sense, but will try just to see |
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| 17:02.29 | imerso | played tetris =) |
| 17:02.56 | imerso | well, sorry but that is a bug within microb |
| 17:03.01 | imerso | that is not a problem with vnc |
| 17:03.54 | imerso | i am playing angry birds |
| 17:04.32 | villager | DocScrutinizer: well, it's not even a driver. it just uses X-test extension to inject events |
| 17:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | imerso: if it's a bug in microB then it also would show up when using a mouse with N900 via USB hostmode or BT |
| 17:04.45 | _berto_ | "The Finnish cellphone maker is still considering its options for tablets and these include MeeGo" http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/21/us-nokia-tablets-idUSTRE72K4UU20110321 |
| 17:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | villager: >yawn> again. Please google for meaning of "ticks" |
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| 17:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | villager: I already granted you're right and I'm wrong and an idiot |
| 17:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | what else do you want? |
| 17:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | kthnxby |
| 17:08.37 | imerso | ok then, know what? |
| 17:08.46 | imerso | will be using Opera when under VNC. |
| 17:08.51 | imerso | problem solved. |
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| 17:18.05 | villager | DocScrutinizer: maybe to make clear that I do *not* think you're an idiot, but I tend to assume that people (esp. the technically minded) like to learn about stuff, because I do, and often enjoy people explaining stuff in a non-hostile way to me, even if I was wrong before... that colors my interactions I guess, I want to give back too, after all... |
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| 17:40.42 | pupnik_ | http://mises.org/resources/6045/The-Tragedy-of-the-Euro best book on the subject |
| 17:43.46 | rm_work | GAN900: fancy new tablets? IE the android ones? |
| 17:43.46 | rm_work | or |
| 17:43.49 | rm_work | ? |
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| 17:43.59 | GAN900 | rm_work, yeah. |
| 17:44.05 | GAN900 | Hardware looks nice |
| 17:44.06 | rm_work | yeah >_> |
| 17:44.09 | GAN900 | But . . . Android |
| 17:44.18 | rm_work | thinking about buying a Xoom or something and mounting it in my car as a nav system |
| 17:44.22 | GAN900 | and the fact that I have no use for a tablet. |
| 17:44.33 | GAN900 | Yeah, actually, that's a nice idea. |
| 17:44.36 | rm_work | nav/entertainment/media |
| 17:44.42 | rm_work | cause my radio does A2DP |
| 17:44.45 | rm_work | so |
| 17:44.46 | nidO | my win7 tablet does its' job perfectly \o/ |
| 17:44.56 | rm_work | Android maps is amazing |
| 17:45.07 | rm_work | and it could be my music server as well |
| 17:45.11 | rm_work | with Pandora / etc |
| 17:45.20 | GAN900 | I want MeeGo IVI. |
| 17:45.20 | rm_work | or passengers could watch TV shows |
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| 17:49.01 | slonopotamus_ | on n800, python needs 250ms to do nothing (python -c "") :) |
| 17:49.06 | crashanddie | is bored to death |
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| 17:50.25 | ThreeM | firefox rc2 still useless |
| 17:52.46 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, get killzone 3, that way I can kick your ass without even seeing you irl |
| 17:53.02 | crashanddie | you're implying you'd kick my ass IRL? |
| 17:53.35 | MohammadAG | hypothetically, yaeh |
| 17:53.37 | MohammadAG | yeah* |
| 17:56.06 | lcuk | crashanddie, please don't scare off the developers :P |
| 17:56.19 | crashanddie | how so? |
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| 17:57.49 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, up for a challenge? |
| 17:57.58 | crashanddie | depends |
| 17:57.59 | crashanddie | shoot |
| 17:58.39 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I wasn't talking about rl :P |
| 18:01.04 | MohammadAG | I like how you lose your head when someone shoots you in it |
| 18:02.33 | merlin1991 | ^ try to get that in australia :P |
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| 18:03.20 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, your head? |
| 18:03.33 | merlin1991 | w00t? |
| 18:03.54 | MohammadAG | you just highlighted someone |
| 18:04.25 | merlin1991 | I was refering to the crappy laws in australia regarding video games |
| 18:05.04 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, you can't get killzone 3? |
| 18:05.39 | merlin1991 | highest rating is 15+ |
| 18:05.49 | merlin1991 | so a lot of games can't get sold there |
| 18:05.54 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: so, what's the challenge? |
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| 18:06.22 | merlin1991 | developers often do heavily "cut" versions for the australian market |
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| 18:06.59 | nidO | guess you'll likely be missing out on dnf then |
| 18:07.28 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, you can't do a challenge IRL without being in the same country |
| 18:07.34 | MohammadAG | so, you name one :) |
| 18:07.36 | merlin1991 | I won't, I live in austria, no kangaroos here .P |
| 18:08.18 | jacekowski | do you have kangaroo driving licence |
| 18:08.29 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 18:08.29 | jacekowski | and emu driving licence |
| 18:08.30 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: Your challenge is: find me a challenge. |
| 18:10.16 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, your challenge is: lose a challenge to me |
| 18:10.27 | crashanddie | challenge accepted |
| 18:10.40 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: Challenge: Be a big fat emo prick. |
| 18:10.41 | crashanddie | I lose. |
| 18:10.44 | crashanddie | You win. |
| 18:10.56 | merlin1991 | lmao |
| 18:11.43 | MohammadAG | told you I'd kick your... what? |
| 18:15.02 | MohammadAG | driving test on sunday, I'll probably fail it :) |
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| 18:18.07 | crashanddie | good luck mate |
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| 18:18.53 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I failed my first one |
| 18:18.58 | merlin1991 | needed a 2nd try :) |
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| 18:19.51 | crashanddie | hang on |
| 18:19.52 | crashanddie | 1991 |
| 18:19.57 | crashanddie | and already your driving licence? |
| 18:20.29 | crashanddie | mate |
| 18:20.34 | crashanddie | I REMEMBER 1991!!! |
| 18:21.28 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, I went over a 100 in my first lesson |
| 18:21.42 | MohammadAG | so I'll either fail cause 1) I don't have both hands on the wheel, 2) speed |
| 18:22.35 | inz | MohammadAG, just try not to play with your N900 during your test, and it'll go fine ;) |
| 18:22.50 | crashanddie | or with anything else for that matter |
| 18:22.57 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: if you're on the right road over 100 is just fine :P |
| 18:23.04 | merlin1991 | 130 max here :D |
| 18:23.11 | crashanddie | even for young drivers? |
| 18:23.13 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, 30 |
| 18:23.36 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I'm doing a legal 110 on friday, so yeah |
| 18:23.55 | crashanddie | well |
| 18:23.55 | merlin1991 | crashanddie: yes, there's no difference how long you have the license speed wise, only the allowed alcohole level is even lower if you're a "young driver" |
| 18:23.59 | crashanddie | it depends on the country |
| 18:24.15 | MohammadAG | alcohol level is the same for all ages, as long as you can drink |
| 18:24.21 | crashanddie | in France for example, young drivers have to drive 110 instead of 130 on highways, and 100 instead of 110 on motorroads |
| 18:24.34 | merlin1991 | bah we have 100 on all motorroads |
| 18:24.37 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 18:25.12 | merlin1991 | tbh the speed difference is the least problem |
| 18:25.24 | crashanddie | not really |
| 18:25.32 | crashanddie | because by default you drive as fast as the cars around you |
| 18:25.50 | crashanddie | though, that's a long forgotten memory in my case :P |
| 18:25.56 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 18:26.04 | crashanddie | Got my motorbike licence revoked for doing 180 in a 50 zone :P |
| 18:26.34 | merlin1991 | nah what I meant is, that a new driver will drive as bad driving 110 or 130 |
| 18:26.48 | pupnik_ | scorched3d could really use a GLes port http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/ |
| 18:26.51 | merlin1991 | with that regulation you just get them frustrated, because everyone is taking over them |
| 18:27.09 | crashanddie | except an experieced driver can anticipate other driver's behaviour a lot better than a young one |
| 18:27.23 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, watch it |
| 18:27.54 | MohammadAG | I drive well @ 100 :P |
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| 18:28.29 | merlin1991 | crashanddie: that's why you usually keep distance from other cars, and more if you're new to the business :D |
| 18:28.41 | crashanddie | except that's the theory |
| 18:28.43 | haj | 's motorbike can only do 80.. kph.. |
| 18:28.47 | haj | :) |
| 18:28.55 | haj | no tickets here.. |
| 18:28.57 | crashanddie | how many young drivers have you seen that drive in your ass? |
| 18:29.04 | MohammadAG | heh, on my first lesson I always tried to get the least distance |
| 18:29.09 | MohammadAG | for teh lulz |
| 18:29.12 | crashanddie | haj: heh, mine goes 130 downhill with wind in my back ;) |
| 18:29.47 | merlin1991 | crashanddie: honestly the people how drive in my ass here are guys that are 50+ and have expensive suvs |
| 18:29.57 | haj | crashanddie: mine runs out of RPM at 80.. its this old war-horse.. http://gallery.nathue.dk/tingsager/dnepr/2011-01-30/.cache/1280x852-_MG_0485.jpg |
| 18:29.58 | crashanddie | well, those too |
| 18:30.08 | crashanddie | the general rule is that most drivers suck at driving |
| 18:30.10 | haj | crashanddie: it's like 55 years old.. ;) |
| 18:30.17 | crashanddie | sweet |
| 18:30.36 | crashanddie | That looks so cool mate |
| 18:30.41 | haj | thanks.. :) |
| 18:30.50 | merlin1991 | I topped my car @ 170km/h downhill with wind in the back :P |
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| 18:31.03 | haj | it runs pretty nice.. when you get used to the low top speed.. :) |
| 18:31.43 | crashanddie | haj: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4886039427/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4769108495/ |
| 18:31.55 | haj | on the smaller roads it's really fun riding with the sidecar.. especially with a light "sandbag" so it's possible to get the wheel flying. .;) |
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| 18:32.28 | haj | crashanddie: uhm. a 125? or something like thaT? |
| 18:32.32 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 18:32.36 | haj | ah, it says on the page |
| 18:33.12 | haj | what kind of licence do you need to ride one of those? |
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| 18:33.21 | crashanddie | in France just the car licence is OK |
| 18:33.41 | crashanddie | well, not anymore, if you can't prove you had one before 2011, you need to undergo 7 hours of training (350 euros) |
| 18:34.19 | crashanddie | I'll probably get my motorcycle licence again over the summer or something |
| 18:36.31 | haj | I had to do training for like 150 euros in order to be allowed to ride with the sidecar.. |
| 18:37.09 | haj | really weird training... we spend most of the time balancing the bike on 2 wheels.. ;) |
| 18:37.24 | haj | hm .. I better go make some food.. *away* |
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| 19:31.26 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, you can drive a bike with a car's license? :/ |
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| 19:31.39 | crashanddie | aye |
| 19:35.33 | haj | MohammadAG: For some reason some politicians think that you can't really get hurt on a small bike.. ;) |
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| 19:36.18 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, can I have your bike? Need to prove something to politicians |
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| 19:39.38 | haj | MohammadAG: I hear that here in Denmark we'll have 3 different kind of bikes next year.. x-small bikes, 11kw that 16year olds can ride, small ones, 25kw for 18-21year old, and then no limit, 21-?? |
| 19:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: the likelihood is that you're only going to hurt yourself. |
| 19:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | So, meh. |
| 19:43.29 | OkropNick | A little off-topic. I need some simple XMPP/Jabber client for Symbian s60 for not-nerdy girl. What would be good? |
| 19:44.48 | ruskie | haven't yet found the issue... |
| 19:45.05 | ruskie | erm... such a client I meant |
| 19:45.13 | OkropNick | mhm |
| 19:46.39 | ruskie | might try nokias own |
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| 19:46.52 | ruskie | I forget what it's called |
| 19:47.03 | ruskie | but it iirc requires a login into nokia before you can login to jabber |
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| 19:49.04 | xd13 | i asked this before but no one answered. Nokia isn't going to give us anymore updates for the n900 right ? i'm asking because i disabled all the nokia and ovi repositories keeping only maemo, testing,ssu etc |
| 19:49.33 | ruskie | xd13, cssu you might want to add ;) |
| 19:50.03 | xd13 | well ya |
| 19:50.05 | xd13 | it is |
| 19:50.14 | ruskie | then I think you're more or less good |
| 19:50.20 | xd13 | i said all those at the end i have in theer |
| 19:50.39 | xd13 | i know refreshing is a lot faster without nokia and ovi in the repo list |
| 19:50.45 | ruskie | I think the next nokia update will be the meego developer edition for the n900 |
| 19:50.58 | xd13 | i want the phone 2 run smooth |
| 19:51.17 | xd13 | from the videos i've seen not as smooth as i want it, but if they can improve i'll b on top of it |
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| 19:53.28 | MohammadAG | videos always show things the way they aren't |
| 19:53.53 | xd13 | well once it becomes popular and ppl start trying we'll hear more reviews |
| 19:54.58 | xd13 | wish nokia gave us a ghz phone with the same capabilities as n900 and more bat life |
| 19:55.03 | xd13 | but i think thats all of us here |
| 19:55.10 | ruskie | nope |
| 19:55.15 | ruskie | just 512mb of mem |
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| 19:55.44 | ruskie | battery life is rather good already(4days here for me and my use case)... or most of a day of music playing/other use... |
| 19:56.06 | xd13 | i've never really ran it 2 empty |
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| 19:56.23 | xd13 | usually give it 2 days unless i have 2 use it a lot one day in which i charge every night |
| 19:58.16 | nox- | moin |
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| 20:27.15 | nit-booter | Hey everyone, I have a question... I just installed nitdroid, and now the multiboot wont shop up on restart of the phone... Could it have become inactive somehow? |
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| 20:28.03 | lcuk | nit-booter, what is nitdroid? |
| 20:28.27 | nit-booter | Android version for N900 |
| 20:29.08 | lcuk | does it run in a window? |
| 20:29.14 | nit-booter | Multiboot works, it just refuse to show up on start... |
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| 20:33.03 | nit-booter | lcuk, it's installed on a Micro sdcard and you boot it up when you start the phone |
| 20:33.58 | lcuk | what benefits does it have? |
| 20:35.11 | nit-booter | Android? |
| 20:35.34 | lcuk | yes |
| 20:35.37 | nit-booter | lcuk, android is another OS for the phone |
| 20:35.48 | lcuk | yes, so what benefits does it have |
| 20:35.57 | nit-booter | only benefit is getting access to android market i guess |
| 20:36.26 | lcuk | so what cool apps are there from the market? |
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| 20:36.43 | nit-booter | 250k to choose between |
| 20:36.53 | nit-booter | geez, how havnt you heard about Android? |
| 20:36.57 | lcuk | mentioning numbers does not sway me |
| 20:37.09 | lcuk | nit-booter, :) of course I have heard of android |
| 20:37.41 | lcuk | I am asking what benefits it has over other OSes |
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| 20:38.10 | nit-booter | Well, if you are after the XBMC remote you can download it from the androidmarket instead of making your own ;) |
| 20:38.35 | lcuk | i have a remote myself |
| 20:38.43 | lcuk | the xbmc one would not work on my computer |
| 20:39.00 | lcuk | but then there are others - like bluemaemo etc |
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| 20:39.02 | nit-booter | goddamnit, why doesnt multiboot start with phone start? |
| 20:39.15 | nit-booter | Bluemaemo uses bluetooth, bluetooth drains battery |
| 20:39.36 | lcuk | android manages to talk to remote devices without draining battery? |
| 20:39.41 | lcuk | now THAT is a feature! |
| 20:39.48 | nit-booter | ... |
| 20:40.04 | nox- | i guess he means an ir remote? |
| 20:40.05 | nit-booter | The particular app im after uses HTTP instead of bluetooth |
| 20:40.11 | nox- | oh |
| 20:40.19 | nit-booter | im always connected to wifi anyways |
| 20:40.24 | nox- | ok |
| 20:40.26 | lcuk | nit-booter, ahhh, you mean one that uses wifi instead of bluetooth |
| 20:40.39 | lcuk | likes http remote controls :) |
| 20:40.50 | lcuk | turning the tv over from another ocuntry is useful and fun (seriously!) |
| 20:40.57 | lcuk | it really winds the missus up! |
| 20:41.25 | nox- | haha# |
| 20:41.31 | nit-booter | So, does anyone had the same problem with Multiboot not starting at phonestart? :o |
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| 20:42.15 | lcuk | nit-booter, does android on the n900 have all the normal android apps? |
| 20:43.15 | nit-booter | It has access to Android Market |
| 20:44.09 | lcuk | nit-booter, I remember seeing some sort of map thing on androids that works quite well |
| 20:44.13 | lcuk | is that available? |
| 20:44.42 | nit-booter | guess so, I havnt gotten that far yet |
| 20:44.45 | lcuk | it looks a bit like cloudgps from my recollection |
| 20:44.53 | nit-booter | reinstalling kernel power atm... |
| 20:45.36 | lcuk | wonders what the calendar on android looks like |
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| 20:46.09 | ds3 | android talk? has people here surrendered? |
| 20:46.18 | nit-booter | nitdroid talk |
| 20:46.18 | nit-booter | :D |
| 20:46.42 | lcuk | ds3, just wondering what makes people use it - whether there are any great things |
| 20:47.04 | lcuk | so far there is a market thingy, but no specific decent apps or games mentioned |
| 20:47.19 | nit-booter | XBMC remote is a decent app worth getting :P |
| 20:47.43 | lcuk | the full xbmc is available o nthe n900 meego |
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| 20:48.06 | ds3 | lcuk: it is good for selling new devices |
| 20:48.20 | ds3 | market is a very bad idea |
| 20:48.38 | ds3 | you have to sign in and put your credit card number in a system that you don't control/understand |
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| 20:48.44 | ds3 | wtf is that |
| 20:48.55 | lcuk | i don't mind that part |
| 20:49.03 | lcuk | I already did that with mrs lcuk |
| 20:49.13 | lcuk | as all women are the same (cannot control/understand) |
| 20:49.30 | nit-booter | Well why would I need XBMC on my phone? Thats just stupid... My movie library wont even fit by 10%... |
| 20:49.40 | ds3 | ah, but you probally get a better return then stupid apps |
| 20:49.57 | ds3 | nit-booter: you don't carry around a 1TB drive? :D |
| 20:50.10 | nit-booter | ds3, sadly I have a life... ;) |
| 20:50.50 | nit-booter | im soon giving up and getting a media keyboard for my computer :/ |
| 20:51.06 | nit-booter | Goddamnit, the phone is double-restarting now... |
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| 20:52.05 | lcuk | nit-booter, this android seems unstable :( you should use a proper os |
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| 20:52.27 | ds3 | nit-booter: well, maybe not 1TB but a 2.5" battery powered drive is very carryable |
| 20:52.31 | nit-booter | No, its the multiboot-kernel that wont start on phonestart |
| 20:53.04 | lcuk | do all android phones support this multiboot? |
| 20:53.15 | lcuk | perhaps you would be better just putting maemo/meego on them instead |
| 20:54.14 | turbowei | nitdroid still doesnt support voice call right? |
| 20:55.25 | nit-booter | As stated before, nitdroid is installed on a micro sd card, so I still boot up Maemo... But I want the multiboot menu but it doesnt show! |
| 20:55.57 | turbowei | nit-booter: boot with keyboard drawn out? |
| 20:56.07 | ds3 | can you, with nitdroid - ssh out to a shell and be able to use screen... i.e. send a ctrl-a? |
| 20:56.42 | nit-booter | Turbowei, I am... :/ |
| 20:57.07 | lcuk | goes and washes hair and stuff |
| 20:57.13 | lcuk | good luck nit-booter \o |
| 20:57.51 | nit-booter | wooop woop! re-flashed kernel power, works now! :D |
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| 21:00.32 | nit-booter | ds3, I dont know tbh... |
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| 21:04.17 | turbowei | nit-booter: does nitdroid support voice call? |
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| 21:07.45 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, heh |
| 21:08.02 | MohammadAG | I'll pass on meego conf, dates collide with my exams :/ |
| 21:08.15 | GeneralAntilles | Lame. |
| 21:08.50 | lcuk | MohammadAG, meego-fi conf too? |
| 21:09.19 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: see if you can take them early. |
| 21:09.39 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, can't, they're worldwide |
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| 21:09.43 | MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm? |
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| 21:10.05 | timeless_xchat | so, mIRGGI isn't very useful on the n8 |
| 21:10.12 | timeless_xchat | it doesn't expect devices not to have a keyboard / keypad ... |
| 21:11.18 | timeless_xchat | btw, there's a new Opera version for Fremantle |
| 21:11.59 | nit-booter | What would be the most awesome program for N900? |
| 21:12.05 | timeless_xchat | and a Firefox for Mobile rc, which is probably going to be final |
| 21:12.09 | javispedro | Hats off to opera guys if they keep updating... |
| 21:12.22 | SpeedEvil | Oooh |
| 21:13.17 | timeless_xchat | somewhere there's also apparently a Chromium with crypto support |
| 21:13.27 | timeless_xchat | but i don't know where :) |
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| 21:23.04 | SpeedEvil | crypto supporrt? |
| 21:23.41 | BCMM | there are browsers without crypto? |
| 21:23.50 | SpeedEvil | There are a number of programs for n900 I'd like. From a widget that turns the flashlight on when camera cover opened downwards, on out. |
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| 21:29.52 | krayon | SpeedEvil: That's a good idea that. |
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| 21:40.40 | xxtjaxx | which package ships python-qscintilla on maemo? |
| 21:40.42 | xxtjaxx | is there any |
| 21:40.43 | xxtjaxx | ? |
| 21:41.21 | FauxFaux | apt-file |
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| 21:42.29 | xxtjaxx | FauxFaux: hm? |
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| 23:25.39 | merlin1991 | I can't help it, but ff4 looks like opera to me :D |
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| 23:33.30 | chx | merlin1991: FF was always a cheap knockoff of Opera |
| 23:37.04 | BCMM | chx: uh, what? |
| 23:37.26 | chx | BCMM: some years ago i was keeping track of the things FF stole from Opera but i stopped |
| 23:37.36 | BCMM | "was always"? |
| 23:38.05 | BCMM | firefox derives from the mozilla suite, which derives from netscape navigator. which substantially pre-dates opera. |
| 23:38.23 | wmarone_ | heh |
| 23:38.41 | SpeedEvil | ls |
| 23:38.53 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 23:38.53 | BCMM | (also, it's abbreviated "Fx", not "FF") |
| 23:39.04 | SpeedEvil | hits BCMM with a pedantr. |
| 23:39.38 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: bin dev etc porn opt ok i'm not actually a shell |
| 23:40.35 | BCMM | if i were actually bash, i'd get p and o in the right order. |
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| 23:46.57 | Termana | good morning |
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| 23:48.53 | lolloo | morning! |
| 23:50.13 | chx | BCMM: Opera had tabbed browsing in 2000, Mozilla in 2001, Phoenix in 2002 |
| 23:50.22 | chx | BCMM: that's just one in the long list of features.... |
| 23:50.36 | BCMM | yeah, i hate it when useful features get copied by other applications |
| 23:50.44 | chx | BCMM: of course that's fine |
| 23:50.51 | BCMM | simple ideas that get invented in closed-source applications should stay closed forever |
| 23:51.12 | chx | BCMM: i just found for some time a bit frustrating that people cheer firefox and stun opera while Opera was far superior to Firefox |
| 23:51.50 | chx | BCMM: but oh well, i no longer care nor i use Opera, I switched to Chrome, it became 100% unusable by now, so I am now on FF4. *shrug* |
| 23:51.55 | BCMM | that's what they get for being closed, tbh |
| 23:52.33 | BCMM | i left firefox for konqueror |
| 23:52.39 | BCMM | because hte KDE integration is rather nice |
| 23:52.41 | chx | shakes head |
| 23:52.47 | BCMM | webkit is good. |
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| 23:52.49 | chx | Open source is not superior to closed |
| 23:53.09 | chx | I say that despite being one of the lead developers of a quite big open source project |
| 23:53.10 | BCMM | didn't say that, just said that it doesn't help gather fanboys |
| 23:53.15 | SpeedEvil | In some ways it is. |
| 23:53.19 | chx | some ways yes |
| 23:53.23 | SpeedEvil | But in others, not. |
| 23:53.37 | SpeedEvil | Open source suffers hideously from people working onthe shiny bits. |
| 23:53.55 | SpeedEvil | And in many cases on _way_ too many people with commit rights. |
| 23:54.11 | SpeedEvil | Leading to policy decisions being made by one dev at 3 in the morning. |
| 23:57.55 | chx | Well, it's usually the UI tha tsuffers |
| 23:58.09 | chx | design and open source development do not go together well apparrently. |
