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| 00:00.05 | lardman | see what lcukn900 does then, I guess it needs to be listed in some file in debian/ |
| 00:00.14 | lardman | e.g. debian/files or something like that |
| 00:00.20 | trx | yeah, probably |
| 00:02.15 | lardman | heads for bed, catch you all tomorrow |
| 00:02.23 | trx | oh, it needs to be named mypackagename.postinst |
| 00:02.39 | trx | i'll test that out |
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| 00:08.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ,hi |
| 00:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: .hi |
| 00:09.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: o/ |
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| 00:11.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | is kinda happy to see somebody at SHR finally is intereted in the ALSA-only alternative he invernted in 2009, to PED end similar crap |
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| 00:25.33 | lolcat | If I was going to store a N900 for a longer period without using it, how should I do it? |
| 00:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | In oil. |
| 00:25.53 | GeneralAntilles | It'll keep it lubricated. |
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| 00:27.24 | cehteh | lol .. but the thin foils in the screen will suck it up and damage it |
| 00:27.37 | cehteh | ask Treibholz :) |
| 00:29.39 | cehteh | lolcat: remove the battery, put it into a dry plastic bag .. maybe with some drying gel. seal it store it dark at average not too much varying temperature |
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| 00:29.53 | cehteh | how long do you want to store it? 20 years? :) |
| 00:30.11 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: Discharge to 40%, put in a baggie in the fridge. |
| 00:30.38 | SpeedEvil | Will last at least a decade like that. Charge and discharge to 40% every couple of years |
| 00:31.16 | lolcat | The whole device? |
| 00:31.25 | cehteh | the battery |
| 00:31.26 | lolcat | I am afraid the internal battery will die |
| 00:31.43 | cehteh | not the whole device |
| 00:32.11 | cehteh | internal battery? .. it has none |
| 00:32.27 | SpeedEvil | It does |
| 00:32.35 | SpeedEvil | Have an internal battery |
| 00:32.38 | cehteh | iirc its only a cap |
| 00:32.45 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it's a battery. |
| 00:32.51 | SpeedEvil | I' need to recheck the schems though. |
| 00:32.59 | cehteh | why does it hold the clock only a few minutes then? |
| 00:33.18 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: If you replace the SIM, you get the date setting dialog, even if the time is corrrect |
| 00:33.20 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 00:33.45 | cehteh | but without replacing sim .. just replacing battery and be slow with that resets the clock |
| 00:34.06 | cehteh | and a freezer wont be good for the display and the electrolyte caps |
| 00:34.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: because of that battery is crap and brolen after 6 months |
| 00:34.34 | cehteh | err fridge should work .. but be very careful about humidity |
| 00:34.43 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: uh |
| 00:34.57 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't realise the discussion was on the whole device. Above was only for thebattery |
| 00:35.11 | cehteh | [01:25] <lolcat> If I was going to store a N900 for a longer period without using it, how should I do it? |
| 00:35.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ahhh thanks |
| 00:35.47 | cehteh | how long do we expect the batteries available? .. prolly for some years or? |
| 00:36.06 | SpeedEvil | For what? |
| 00:36.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | at least 5 years |
| 00:36.13 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 00:36.16 | SpeedEvil | for n900 easy |
| 00:36.22 | cehteh | i'd consider to store the device without battery (main battery) and buy a new one when reanimating the device |
| 00:36.41 | cehteh | well he didnt saied how long he wants to store it |
| 00:36.43 | lolcat | I am concidering to buy 3 batteries |
| 00:36.51 | lolcat | Untill my other N900 dies |
| 00:36.55 | SpeedEvil | IIRC new phones are still being sold with teh n900 battery |
| 00:37.14 | cehteh | lolcat: liion batteries age even without using them .. only buy as much you need |
| 00:37.31 | SpeedEvil | Or discharge to 40% and put in the freezer. |
| 00:37.40 | lolcat | cehteh: I need a spare battery, and I have to buy three if I need one |
| 00:37.53 | cehteh | 3 seems reasonable :) |
| 00:37.58 | cehteh | i should buy another one too |
| 00:38.09 | lolcat | They would be a lot cheaper if I buy 1000 though... |
| 00:38.17 | cehteh | but just dont plan to store then .. use them |
| 00:38.23 | lolcat | I will |
| 00:38.27 | cehteh | haha you can give me 1 then :P |
| 00:38.39 | lolcat | I need a external charger for it though |
| 00:38.49 | lolcat | 3 batteries, plus 1 for each n900 I own |
| 00:41.12 | lofty306 | heh |
| 00:41.22 | lolcat | I am seriously considering getting another N900 |
| 00:41.34 | lolcat | Only worry is that the N950 is pure awesomeness |
| 00:41.37 | lofty306 | i think bout it now and then |
| 00:41.59 | lolcat | I probably will want it less when they are done fixing the usb plug |
| 00:42.03 | cehteh | i doubt that the n950 will be that awesome |
| 00:42.16 | lofty306 | they got me in a like do i but this that or wait and see if it actualy comes out |
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| 00:42.27 | lolcat | cehteh: Dual core arm, 512megs ram. It has the potentialto be awesome |
| 00:42.50 | cehteh | more megapixels maybe ... maybe sleeker design .. but less geek gadgets like radio transmitter, ir transmitter .. |
| 00:42.59 | lolcat | You think? |
| 00:43.00 | cehteh | yeah more cpu and ram |
| 00:43.03 | cehteh | yes i think |
| 00:43.14 | lolcat | Ir transmitter I dont care about |
| 00:43.20 | lolcat | FM transmitter is cool |
| 00:43.25 | cehteh | lets see |
| 00:43.37 | cehteh | maybe hdmi .. |
| 00:43.45 | lofty306 | yep |
| 00:43.52 | cehteh | biggier display |
| 00:43.59 | lofty306 | full output |
| 00:44.04 | lofty306 | hd |
| 00:44.15 | cehteh | anyways ... prolly not worth the upgrade for me |
| 00:44.17 | lofty306 | that they said 4" |
| 00:44.39 | lofty306 | 3.7" actuall |
| 00:45.17 | lofty306 | screen bout the size of 770 would be good |
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| 00:45.54 | Macer | don't get sucked in |
| 00:46.04 | lolcat | When is it scheduled? |
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| 00:46.29 | lofty306 | they say by the end of the year but they say alotta things |
| 00:46.31 | Macer | it is just nokia sucking suckers into another wasted gadget they will not support |
| 00:47.05 | orlok | Hmm. fsck'd the filesystems on my N900 |
| 00:47.18 | orlok | camera still doesnt work |
| 00:47.27 | lolcat | I know, but new harware |
| 00:47.31 | lofty306 | reflash it? |
| 00:47.41 | orlok | i wonder how Intel's Meego devices will work |
| 00:47.45 | lolcat | I would love it if they kept the N900 and just replaced the cpu, gpu and ram |
| 00:47.48 | orlok | lofty306: what will that do? |
| 00:48.48 | Macer | lolcat: what is the poing if you are stuck with an os that will never be updated? |
| 00:48.56 | Macer | point |
| 00:49.04 | lofty306 | reloads the os start over.... back up settings ect to sd card reload os start over |
| 00:49.20 | lolcat | Macer: You can install your own os even |
| 00:49.21 | Macer | maybe twice then dumped as ms muscles all other OSes off nokias |
| 00:49.34 | Macer | lolcat: sure if you dont want a functional device |
| 00:49.42 | lofty306 | rofl |
| 00:49.46 | Macer | or a device that is half functional :) |
| 00:50.04 | lolcat | I think Maemo works bether than an upadted Android |
| 00:50.33 | cehteh | except for email the n900 works reasonable well meanwhile |
| 00:50.45 | Macer | i do too but what you have now is what you are stuck with |
| 00:50.52 | lolcat | I love the N900, it is the most perfect phone I have ever used |
| 00:51.00 | Macer | since maemo has for all intents and purposes been dropped |
| 00:51.13 | nox- | just ssh's to a bsd box with mutt for email :) |
| 00:51.16 | Macer | i love maemo :) |
| 00:51.17 | orlok | lolcat: same here |
| 00:51.24 | Macer | just wish it had a future |
| 00:51.36 | orlok | lolcat: but, i've been a linux sysadmin for 15 years |
| 00:51.38 | Macer | wish i could see my n900 being useful in 4 years |
| 00:51.52 | orlok | lolcat: so i must be one of the few people that can use it via terminal without thinking |
| 00:51.55 | Macer | which it could have been if nokia wasnt ran by idiots |
| 00:51.59 | lolcat | I wish I could see any phone being a potential replacement for my N900. |
| 00:52.09 | orlok | Macer: i can - telescope control unit :) |
| 00:52.17 | mtnbkr | loves his N900 too (and has also been *nix sysadmin for +-15 years!) |
| 00:52.34 | lolcat | I have only used linux for about 4 years |
| 00:52.36 | mtnbkr | stupid stupid Nokia |
| 00:52.42 | lolcat | Can't say I miss the Windows days |
| 00:52.51 | lofty306 | eeek |
| 00:53.02 | mtnbkr | is sad they abanoned maemo/meego for Winphone7 (ack!) |
| 00:53.07 | lofty306 | that word hurts my ears lolcat |
| 00:53.09 | Macer | lolcat: yeah. it is an awesome os :) maemo had the potential but didn't have the proper direction applied to it |
| 00:53.19 | orlok | mtnbkr: its microsoft sending in an assasin |
| 00:53.25 | Macer | and now nokia has a few years before bankruptcy |
| 00:53.41 | Macer | nobody likes winmob phones |
| 00:53.55 | Macer | they should have gone a custom android route |
| 00:53.55 | mtnbkr | well, it was an Ex-microsoft exec that was working for nokia now that made this deal... Go figure |
| 00:54.05 | orlok | hmm.. is strace available for N900? |
| 00:54.06 | lolcat | Macer: Vanilla Android is bether |
| 00:54.13 | orlok | wants to get to the bottom of this camera issue |
| 00:54.18 | Macer | lolcat: maybe ;) depends |
| 00:54.21 | orlok | reflashing without understanding is the windows way out! |
| 00:54.35 | lolcat | Macer: I hate the Sony Ericsons version of it |
| 00:54.37 | orlok | mtnbkr: same thing happened to HPUX and Irix |
| 00:54.37 | lofty306 | hehe..... |
| 00:54.43 | Macer | orlok: i had a prob using the power kernel |
| 00:54.48 | lolcat | I don't really like it at all, it was OK on my N900 though |
| 00:54.54 | lofty306 | didnt know youur leveel orlok |
| 00:54.56 | Macer | lolcat: the g2 one is pretty good |
| 00:54.59 | orlok | mtnbkr: some dickhead killed their unix systems in favor of NT/Itanium, and after he crippled HP and SGI |
| 00:55.03 | orlok | 's workstations |
| 00:55.09 | orlok | he got a n\ice cushy job at microsoft |
| 00:55.19 | mtnbkr | is SOOOOO tired of Microsft and their illegal and immoral business activities (and their shitty software) |
| 00:55.23 | Macer | lolcat: if nitdroid had fully working hardware i think i would use it over maemo now tbh |
| 00:55.28 | lofty306 | i havent reflashed my 900 yet either |
| 00:56.02 | orlok | Macer: hmm.. ok, i had the drivers loaded on the new kernel.. but it will try that |
| 00:56.05 | lolcat | Macer: There is about two android apps I would want, but Id rather see a dalvik implentation on N900 than running the whole os |
| 00:56.20 | Macer | orlok: i had to go back to the standard kernel |
| 00:56.31 | orlok | yay, just got an email |
| 00:56.41 | orlok | "Meeting cancelled due to investment celebration" |
| 00:56.44 | orlok | :D |
| 00:56.48 | Macer | lolcat: maybe. i would rather have the os with a gnu base added |
| 00:56.53 | mtnbkr | orlok: haha |
| 00:57.10 | Macer | i always wished android had a gnu base |
| 00:57.11 | orlok | we were worried the party poppers were going to set off the smoke alarm |
| 00:57.12 | mtnbkr | orlok: make sure to download the attachment! |
| 00:57.25 | Macer | with gnu apps built in :) |
| 00:57.32 | orlok | mtnbkr: nah, it came from one of the most hardcore OSS/linux geeks i know |
| 00:57.35 | orlok | he dont do that shit |
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| 00:58.07 | mtnbkr | orlok: or..... It came frome an infected windows machine that used his email addrss in the FROM: field. :) |
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| 00:58.39 | orlok | heh.. windows.. whats that? :) |
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| 00:58.56 | mtnbkr | orlok: It is the bane of the Internet age |
| 00:58.59 | orlok | oh, Xwindows.. :) |
| 00:59.05 | mtnbkr | s/Internet/Computing/g |
| 00:59.12 | orlok | i confess. i run a windows desktop at home |
| 00:59.27 | orlok | but the only game i have been playing is minecraft |
| 00:59.35 | orlok | so i may as well just go back to linux |
| 00:59.46 | orlok | though.. i still play L4D2 |
| 00:59.49 | orlok | sometimes |
| 01:00.07 | orlok | Macer: ok, camera works now |
| 01:00.31 | Macer | i was a big fan of kubuntu |
| 01:00.43 | orlok | i like ubuntu for a desktop |
| 01:00.48 | Macer | i usually run it on everything as far as a desktop goes |
| 01:00.51 | Macer | i hate gnome |
| 01:00.54 | mtnbkr | in 1990 or 1991, I made Microsft give me a refund for windows 3.0 (Desqview blew it away, and then OS/2 and then linux) I sent the box, they sent a chack and I am a "Happy Microsoft customer" never bought another Microsoft product since |
| 01:00.58 | Macer | id rather use kde4 |
| 01:01.01 | orlok | i use it on my laptop/work desktop and my robots |
| 01:01.08 | orlok | the window manager i dont care about |
| 01:01.12 | orlok | i use apps and xterms |
| 01:01.20 | orlok | the rest is just stuff for positioning those |
| 01:01.37 | Macer | orlok: i used blackbox for years |
| 01:01.42 | Macer | but kde4 is awesome |
| 01:01.45 | Macer | :) |
| 01:01.48 | orlok | Enlightenment |
| 01:01.49 | orlok | heh |
| 01:01.52 | Macer | enlightenment was good |
| 01:01.54 | Macer | haha |
| 01:01.56 | mtnbkr | Xfce! |
| 01:02.01 | Jartza | fffffffffffuuuuuuukushima |
| 01:02.02 | orlok | he turns up here! |
| 01:02.03 | Macer | i hated xfce |
| 01:02.13 | Macer | reminded me og gnome |
| 01:02.15 | Macer | of |
| 01:02.16 | orlok | mkandrake or rasterman, i forget which |
| 01:02.21 | orlok | he has an N900, but cant use it |
| 01:02.28 | orlok | he's working for samsung on the new galaxy iirc |
| 01:02.31 | Macer | kde4 is great tho |
| 01:02.48 | orlok | is happy with a serial console usually |
| 01:03.04 | Macer | it is probably the only one i used as far as a desktop ui goes that is worth using |
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| 01:03.22 | Macer | anyways. going to hook up my laptop. bbl |
| 01:03.51 | mtnbkr | Jartza: is there "new" news about that site? Seems like it is prolly going to go full meltdown. :( |
| 01:04.09 | Jartza | yes |
| 01:04.20 | Jartza | reactorhall number 2 had an explosion too |
| 01:04.26 | Jartza | and now there seems to be a leak also |
| 01:04.37 | Jartza | radiation went up to 8217 microsieverts |
| 01:05.35 | Jartza | tepco had a "news conference" where 4 guys just bowed and said they apologize from the people of japan, read something from the papers and didn't actually answer any questions |
| 01:05.44 | Jartza | that was a bit strange |
| 01:05.50 | mtnbkr | says: building your nuclear reactor on a MAJOR fault line is like building your infrastructure on Microsoft products |
| 01:06.21 | Jartza | "japanese government has made an official request for assistance to US government" |
| 01:06.25 | mtnbkr | (only a lot worse actaully) |
| 01:06.35 | n900evil | Jartza: were swords involved? |
| 01:06.47 | mtnbkr | n900evil: I expect they will be |
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| 01:06.57 | Jartza | n900evil: looked so suspicious that I was actually waiting for that. but at least they didn't show that live. |
| 01:07.07 | Jartza | but it seems the containment vessel has a leak |
| 01:07.17 | n900evil | Jartza: well - US has experience with aftereffects of irradiating japan. |
| 01:07.26 | Jartza | yes |
| 01:07.42 | Jartza | and over half of the fuel rods are exposed in reactor 2 |
| 01:07.51 | n900evil | 8000 is a couple of orders of magnitude higher than I heard before. |
| 01:07.59 | Jartza | so quite propably at least we'll see "three mile island" |
| 01:08.03 | n900evil | but still pretty low. |
| 01:08.07 | orlok | lead and concrete |
| 01:08.14 | orlok | they should start dumping it now |
| 01:08.39 | orlok | i wonder if there will a s.t.a.l.k.e.r.: tokyo |
| 01:10.12 | Jartza | stalker is a guy that goes to the prohibited zone and transfers from black and white to color around halftime of the movie. |
| 01:10.12 | wmarone__ | hope not, I want to go back next year for the sky tree opening :/ |
| 01:10.34 | Jartza | hmmh |
| 01:10.45 | Jartza | they've evacuated the operators from the nuclear plant |
| 01:14.10 | chx | Jartza: url |
| 01:14.22 | Jartza | "this could be the worst case scenario for nuclear power plants in japan" |
| 01:14.30 | Jartza | chx: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv43296023 |
| 01:14.36 | Jartza | watching NHK World |
| 01:19.04 | chx | i have friends , former collegaue who lives about 100km from that crap -- he says he is on another side of some mountain range so they are probably safe. |
| 01:20.10 | lofty306 | so it is looking like the iaea is preparing to prepare to propare apreport ppoon how to respond to japan nuke plants |
| 01:20.15 | Jartza | they were extending the evacuation range and they were waking up people in some cities |
| 01:20.25 | lofty306 | wrong channel oops |
| 01:21.36 | Jartza | I also have few friends in japan, but they are safe in tokyo |
| 01:22.08 | Jartza | although they complained that tokyo was running out of food and they were thinking of leaving to osaka |
| 01:22.55 | lofty306 | i think all my freinds are in tokyo |
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| 01:29.13 | Jartza | now they're telling about the nuclear problems in NHK |
| 01:30.49 | doc|home | connection keeps dying |
| 01:31.02 | Jartza | also some problems with the used fuel reservoir located in reactor building 3 |
| 01:31.24 | doc|home | isn't reactor 3 in some sort of passive shut down now? |
| 01:32.32 | Jartza | they're still cooling it with seawater |
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| 01:39.55 | Jartza | doc|home: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv is another url |
| 01:40.14 | doc|home | thanks Jartza |
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| 01:41.00 | Macer | alrighty then |
| 01:41.06 | Macer | speaking of kubuntu i just got it going on this laptop :) |
| 01:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | (<Macer> lolcat: what is the poing if you are stuck with an os that will never be updated?) some of my boxes run on an OS version that's like 5 years old - and they are still useful |
| 01:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: yes, strace is available |
| 01:42.49 | orlok | yeah, if it does the job and theres no bugs.. |
| 01:42.55 | orlok | thats the perfect reason NOT to upgrade |
| 01:43.05 | orlok | DocScrutinizer: ahh, no need, my camera works now :) |
| 01:43.05 | DrGrov | So there is a meltdown going on at the moment? |
| 01:43.12 | Jartza | partial, at least |
| 01:43.27 | DrGrov | Jartza: Ok. |
| 01:43.36 | Jartza | we just have to wait and see how bad |
| 01:43.38 | DrGrov | How often does NHK go live with the news? |
| 01:43.44 | DrGrov | It is just recorded now |
| 01:43.45 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: heh :) |
| 01:43.52 | Macer | damn. a little late huh? |
| 01:43.53 | DrGrov | Is CNN covering it as well in live time? |
| 01:43.56 | orlok | Jartza: It was actually based on a book originally |
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| 01:44.04 | lolcat | DrGrov: Agreed |
| 01:44.06 | Macer | i am installing non open software on my kubuntu laptop ! wooooo |
| 01:44.11 | orlok | Jartza: but theres 3 computer cames based on the book, but set around chernobyl |
| 01:44.12 | Jartza | DrGrov: looks like they roll the news every 30 mins or so |
| 01:44.15 | Macer | i should call this thing the nokia n9000 |
| 01:44.20 | DrGrov | Ok |
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| 01:44.33 | DrGrov | Jartza: Ok, I will switch to cable TV then and get CNN |
| 01:44.37 | Jartza | orlok: I know, I've read the book. and watched the original 1972 film many times :) |
| 01:44.43 | orlok | Jartza: me too |
| 01:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: I'm not *always* realtime |
| 01:44.59 | orlok | weird that it was all done _before_ chernobyl happened |
| 01:45.05 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: ;) |
| 01:45.14 | orlok | Jartza: a few of the actors died due to poisoning... |
| 01:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | I rarely miss anything though |
| 01:45.30 | orlok | Jartza: the white foamy stuff in the river? that wasnt special effects.. it was chemical runoff |
| 01:45.33 | Jartza | orlok: still it's quite powerful movie :) |
| 01:45.36 | orlok | yeah |
| 01:45.43 | orlok | lots of awesome long shots and stuff |
| 01:45.44 | Macer | ugh. i have to restart the computer to activate a driver :) |
| 01:45.45 | Jartza | like any other tarkovsky's film |
| 01:45.49 | Macer | it's like running windows all over again |
| 01:45.50 | Macer | hahaha |
| 01:45.51 | Macer | bbl |
| 01:45.56 | DrGrov | It is strange that there is not continuous live coverage |
| 01:46.01 | Jartza | mirror was quite scary too :) |
| 01:46.02 | orlok | Jartza: even got mentioned in gibsons's latest trilogy |
| 01:46.03 | Jartza | the movie |
| 01:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | heh, core melt - the real one now? |
| 01:46.43 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Where? |
| 01:46.47 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Happening now? |
| 01:46.51 | chx | and if it melts, then what? the primary containment supposedly is built to hold exactly that. |
| 01:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | damn you can't leave for two bears without missing 'funny' news about those friggin nuke-plants |
| 01:46.56 | Jartza | DocScrutinizer: well over half of the fuel-rods are exposed in reactor 2 |
| 01:47.11 | Jartza | and there might be a leak in the primary container vessel |
| 01:47.25 | chx | now that i would wonder about that |
| 01:47.30 | Jartza | me too |
| 01:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | you bet there is, as otherwise how would there be explosions |
| 01:47.37 | DrGrov | Any word from experts that is it going to be a 2nd Chernobyl or smaller? |
| 01:47.38 | Jartza | but that was something they said earlier |
| 01:47.47 | Jartza | it's not going to be chernobyl |
| 01:47.48 | chx | remember when Sandia driven a fighter jet into a concrete slab to test what the containment can survive? |
| 01:47.59 | Jartza | chernobyl didn't even shut down |
| 01:48.00 | chx | the jet left a , what, 3 inch scratch on the 40 inch thick concrete? |
| 01:48.09 | chx | Chernobyl was a completely different fuckup |
| 01:48.10 | Jartza | those reactors have been shut down right after the quake |
| 01:48.15 | chx | This is more Three Mile Island. |
| 01:48.19 | Jartza | yes |
| 01:48.22 | Jartza | more or less |
| 01:48.32 | chx | Chernobyl did not even have a containment to boot |
| 01:48.32 | DrGrov | Ok, Three Mile Island is much more relieving news than a Chernobyl. |
| 01:48.39 | chx | it should be |
| 01:48.50 | chx | remember: the containment at TMI *did* hold. |
| 01:48.50 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/ |
| 01:49.09 | Jartza | and in chernobyl the safety-devices were shut down on purpose :) |
| 01:49.10 | DrGrov | I watched CNN the other night and it seems like US experts are really talking out of their asses |
| 01:49.11 | chx | that's the only experiment anyone ever did into the containment , who knows why :P |
| 01:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | chx: PV isn't built to withstand a coremelt aka 70 tons of whiteglowing gue |
| 01:49.21 | Jartza | chernobyl was the fuckup of fuckups :) |
| 01:49.32 | chx | DocScrutinizer: it is. that's what it is built to do. |
| 01:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: Isn't that the link I posted 12h ago? |
| 01:49.49 | DrGrov | Jartza: Agreed, a real fuck up. I actually remember that day still. |
| 01:49.50 | chx | Jartza: Chernobyl used graphite to moderate and guess what that was a brilliant idea... NOT. |
| 01:50.01 | Jartza | DrGrov: me too :) |
| 01:50.07 | chx | I am from Hungary and we were relatively close to Chernobyl :( |
| 01:50.24 | DrGrov | Jartza: I was playing in the sandbox as a child and my father came and pick me up. The radiation reached the west coast easily |
| 01:50.33 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: maybe, but it certainly explains the explosion |
| 01:51.02 | Jartza | DrGrov: I live less than 1000km from chernobyl :) |
| 01:51.11 | DrGrov | Jartza: DamN :( |
| 01:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure, except that you don't know why external bottles of pressurized H2 should explode related to some action going on inside PV |
| 01:51.58 | Jartza | or around 1000km anyway... in finland :) |
| 01:52.24 | chx | Jartza: ouch. You guys warned the free world what was going on -- but we didnt know :( |
| 01:52.46 | Jartza | chx: yeah. the burning graphite did spread all the radiating goo all around |
| 01:52.46 | DrGrov | Jartza: Actually about in which part of FInland do you live? |
| 01:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | so what's the news? |
| 01:53.10 | DrGrov | chx: My missus is from Hungary as well and she also remembers that day clearly. |
| 01:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | any? |
| 01:53.11 | Jartza | the chernobyl radiation can actually still be found from finland, for example from mushrooms |
| 01:53.25 | Jartza | DrGrov: southern finland, nummi-pusula. around 70km from helsinki. |
| 01:53.40 | Jartza | northwest from helsinki |
| 01:53.47 | DrGrov | Jartza: Ok, I live in Vaasa. That is perhaps closer to Chernobyl or? |
| 01:53.52 | BCMM | Jartza: which isotopes? C-137? |
| 01:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: sure. here in Bavaria you still can't eat wild boar |
| 01:54.03 | doc|home | Jartza: they still test in the UK |
| 01:54.07 | Jartza | DrGrov: helsinki is closer to chernobyl :) |
| 01:54.14 | Jartza | vaasa is quite more to north |
| 01:54.22 | Jartza | DocScrutinizer: yeah :( |
| 01:54.27 | DrGrov | Jartza: Yes it is. Ah, I was reading the fucking map the wrong way LOL |
| 01:54.35 | Jartza | BCMM: don't know that specifically :) |
| 01:54.40 | doc|home | this is supposedly a webcam of the power plant http://cs2.town.yanaizu.fukushima.jp/-wvhttp-01-/GetOneShot?REQUEST_ID=1299883146285 is that steam? |
| 01:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: actually all shot boar go to the special dump, for toxic waste etc |
| 01:54.51 | DrGrov | Jartza: The winds were badly turning this way though |
| 01:55.12 | Jartza | yeah I think finland got quite a shitload of that goo from chernobyl |
| 01:55.23 | DrGrov | Jartza: I remember the sky turning black |
| 01:55.25 | Jartza | but not that bad of course as the local people did |
| 01:55.37 | DrGrov | No of course not but still we got a lot of that shit coming our way. |
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| 01:56.34 | Jartza | actually finland noticed that the radiation levels were rising, but at first they thought it was a faulty meter :) |
| 01:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: if that's actually fuckishima then that's seawater evaporated at a partial core meltdown |
| 01:56.56 | Jartza | of course the russians didn't tell anything |
| 01:57.01 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: that's what I thought, but is that especially bad or just expected? |
| 01:57.25 | doc|home | obviously a continuing core meltdown is bad, but is this acceptable? |
| 01:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | it's both |
| 01:57.56 | Jartza | unfortunately they still use chernobyl-type reactors in russia |
| 01:58.35 | chx | Jartza: there's worse, there's one in Bulgaria, what it is called, i always forget, if they still did not show that one down, it can be the doom of the world |
| 01:59.10 | Jartza | BCMM: ok, I had to check the finnish radioactivity authority. it's cesium-137 that's still found from the mushrooms and berries |
| 01:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | this steam will carry all the decay isotopes with it, and deploy them all across the globe, or at least to where the wind blows in 1000 or 3000 or 30,000ft altitude |
| 01:59.34 | chx | oh good, Kozloduy was taken offline in 2004. phew. |
| 01:59.53 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: what's the half-life of those? |
| 02:00.09 | nox- | the problem reactors were supposed to be taken down 10 yrs ago too... |
| 02:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | and of course in seawater there's also lots of Iodine etc that gets charged up with radiation while passing thru the core |
| 02:00.26 | Jartza | chx: well, in russia there is still 16 of those graphite-reactors on full run :( |
| 02:00.46 | Jartza | ok, prime minister will give a special message to japanese people |
| 02:00.49 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: from what I've been reading it's pretty short in released steam. No info about the current status |
| 02:00.50 | chx | Jartza: yes i know but Kozloduy was big enough for a China Syndrome thrice over :/ good that shit has been stopped. |
| 02:01.18 | nox- | live news conf on nhk world |
| 02:01.25 | Jartza | half of the russias nuclear power comes from RBMK reactors... the same shit |
| 02:01.35 | Jartza | yes, have to check this NHK out now |
| 02:02.06 | doc|home | get to the point ... |
| 02:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: halflife of H and O probably is irrelevant, but it carries all the Cs137 and Iodine and whatnot decay products fro then broken fuel rods, plus the minerals of seawater that get charged up in core radiation |
| 02:02.59 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: meaning? |
| 02:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | meaning that's almost as bad as it gets |
| 02:03.31 | javispedro | ?? |
| 02:04.00 | javispedro | meaning nothing, unless you plan to take your vacation on there in few minutes. |
| 02:04.13 | doc|home | javispedro: hmm? |
| 02:04.14 | Jartza | "we would like to ask you to stay indoors" |
| 02:04.15 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 02:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'd be interested in the upper cut-away 4/5 of that photo |
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| 02:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | also for all I know wind is taking that shit to Tokyo right now |
| 02:05.43 | doc|home | speculation |
| 02:05.46 | javispedro | what photo? |
| 02:05.54 | doc|home | javispedro: http://cs2.town.yanaizu.fukushima.jp/-wvhttp-01-/GetOneShot?REQUEST_ID=1299883146285 |
| 02:05.56 | Jartza | so they are basically telling that some radioactive shit has already been leaked, but they don't know the amount or the cause. |
| 02:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://cs2.town.yanaizu.fukushima.jp/-wvhttp-01-/GetOneShot?REQUEST_ID=1299883146285 |
| 02:06.03 | doc|home | javispedro: allegedly that's the plant now - webcam |
| 02:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: I'd not know anything else on this globe that might look like that |
| 02:06.47 | javispedro | so what it's that? apart from vapor water. |
| 02:07.05 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: I see that every day on my way to work from factories, just steam... |
| 02:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | decay products of broken rods |
| 02:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | not that size |
| 02:08.25 | Jartza | well it depends quite a lot about the condition of the reactor vessel itself |
| 02:08.30 | doc|home | wtf, fire in no 4 reactor? |
| 02:08.33 | luke-jr | if people want certain answers, we could just drop a nuclear bomb on it |
| 02:08.34 | doc|home | that wasn't even operational |
| 02:08.36 | luke-jr | then everything is clear |
| 02:08.36 | Jartza | and number 4 reactor is on fire. |
| 02:08.36 | DocScrutinizer | that's sea water that passed by a partially molten core that is constantly releasing decay products and radiation |
| 02:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: who said it wasn't operational? |
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| 02:09.29 | doc|home | everyone |
| 02:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | it might have been shut down prior to the quake, but that doesn't mean they may stop to cool it |
| 02:10.01 | doc|home | 3 of the reactors were shut down before the quake even hit |
| 02:10.10 | doc|home | fully shut down afaik |
| 02:10.21 | DocScrutinizer | fully shut down is BS |
| 02:10.26 | doc|home | everything is bs with you |
| 02:10.34 | doc|home | almost as bad as fox :) |
| 02:10.38 | Jartza | DocScrutinizer: the released steam isn't that highly active, and the half-time is quite short |
| 02:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, because that'S all they tell |
| 02:10.44 | Jartza | we're talking about seconds |
| 02:11.00 | doc|home | 2nd reactor holed |
| 02:11.06 | Jartza | as long as the reactor vessel itself is intact |
| 02:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: says who? |
| 02:11.22 | doc|home | oh, on the outer containment |
| 02:11.24 | doc|home | not the inner one |
| 02:11.48 | Jartza | DocScrutinizer: quite many sources |
| 02:12.00 | Jartza | iaea for example |
| 02:12.12 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: there was a spike in radioactivity, that's from when the building exploded. Went back down again. |
| 02:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | meh, you think they can cool down a core melt by sparying the PV with water? LOL |
| 02:12.35 | doc|home | it's going INTO the reactor, not the outside |
| 02:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh, so why is the steam clean then? |
| 02:13.23 | Jartza | it's not clean |
| 02:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | sorry that doesn't make sense |
| 02:13.30 | lcukn900 | lardman the "select image" ui on mbarcode is a bit funky, how would you link a "send to mbarcode" sharing plugin? |
| 02:13.51 | Jartza | http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/ |
| 02:13.53 | lcukn900 | doh earlypaste |
| 02:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | don't you notice all the bullshit they tell you? |
| 02:14.00 | Jartza | that's actually quite a good explanation |
| 02:14.18 | Jartza | I notice they don't tell us all, but I'm still not that paranoid :) |
| 02:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: well, I posted that some 12h ago |
| 02:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not paranoid at all. I'd even work there, as I'm so old I can't get hurt except with megaRAD |
| 02:16.35 | Jartza | I've been inside a nuclear power plant many times :) |
| 02:16.41 | Jartza | seen it in action |
| 02:16.51 | Jartza | I've walked over the nuclear core! |
| 02:17.01 | javispedro | who hasn't! |
| 02:17.06 | Jartza | although there were few floor levels between :) |
| 02:17.23 | Jartza | actually, in Finland the nuclear plants are open to public |
| 02:17.27 | doc|home | javispedro: I was in a peat burning power plant? :( |
| 02:17.43 | javispedro | that is even better! |
| 02:17.46 | javispedro | and more dangerous! |
| 02:17.47 | doc|home | hehe |
| 02:17.47 | Jartza | if you want to visit a nuclear power plant, just call them. |
| 02:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | but there's no reasonable explanation how such steam can get produced without water passing by the fuel rods directly. And even Japan gvmt admittted tere's probably a partial core melt at all 3 blocks |
| 02:18.09 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: like has been explained, the half life is in seconds |
| 02:18.16 | doc|home | (from what I've read anyway) |
| 02:18.29 | doc|home | for most of it that is |
| 02:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | not for the decay products of the rods that got freed |
| 02:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | sure most of it is just H2O which doesn't matter, but there's tons of that every minute |
| 02:19.30 | Jartza | hmmh. |
| 02:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | plus a few grams of cs137 and Pu |
| 02:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | and Iodine and Strontium |
| 02:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | that bleeds out of the broken fuel rods |
| 02:20.37 | Jartza | anyway, the radiation levels have been going down again |
| 02:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | don't get fooled by what they tell you |
| 02:21.00 | doc|home | I'd be worried about the fire, potentially radioactive ash and all that... |
| 02:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: actually I don't see any radioactive substance involved in any fire |
| 02:21.41 | DocScrutinizer | so probably harmless |
| 02:21.45 | Jartza | except the reactor 4? |
| 02:21.45 | doc|home | hopefully |
| 02:21.55 | Jartza | which still has used fuel in it |
| 02:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: all 6 blocks have fuel |
| 02:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 02:22.28 | Jartza | sure |
| 02:22.40 | Jartza | 3 blocks were under maintenance |
| 02:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | and all 6 need cooling |
| 02:23.15 | Jartza | sure, unless they were already subcritical |
| 02:23.23 | doc|home | which I think they were |
| 02:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | maybe one or two of the "off" blocks actually chilled down to safe levels since weeks or months |
| 02:23.43 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: less speculation would be nice |
| 02:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: less faith in what Tokyo Power Company publsihes would be reasonable |
| 02:24.43 | doc|home | in comparison to? |
| 02:24.46 | orlok | Are the reactors powered by N900's? |
| 02:24.56 | doc|home | "some dude in #maemo"? |
| 02:25.01 | DocScrutinizer | they've been lying from the very beginning, shit since years |
| 02:25.02 | orlok | or running Maemo on the control systems? |
| 02:25.18 | doc|home | orlok: yes |
| 02:25.33 | orlok | WE ARE ALL DOOMED! |
| 02:25.38 | doc|home | heheheh |
| 02:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: you for sure are DOOMED |
| 02:26.15 | orlok | |>()()|V| |
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| 02:26.19 | orlok | DooM! |
| 02:27.11 | doc|home | anyone figured out what direction that steam is heading? |
| 02:27.16 | Jartza | south |
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| 02:27.18 | doc|home | inland or out to sea? |
| 02:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | as metioned before I simply don't care anymore, I'm too old. It's just I don't get it how everybody's eating the bullsh*t the authorities are feeding us |
| 02:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | ans even says "thank you!" |
| 02:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile should be south, which means it's hitting Tokyo today |
| 02:29.28 | javispedro | watches DocScrutinizer his own paranoidness grave |
| 02:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | that's old news we get in german TV weather forecast every hour since 2 days |
| 02:29.32 | javispedro | *dig his own... |
| 02:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | I'm as calm as can get |
| 02:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | just cackling about your excitement |
| 02:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | cloud most likely never will reach Europe, and even when it does, I survived Chernobyl and I was young and susceptible to cancer inducing isotopes back when. Now I just think "meh!" |
| 02:32.02 | Jartza | I survived chernobyl also |
| 02:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | but ist's actually funny how all of you try to talk down the obvious |
| 02:32.11 | Jartza | I was 14 then :) |
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| 02:32.44 | javispedro | hm.. why does everyone mention chernobyl here? Was the russian woodpecker involved in the earthquake? |
| 02:32.59 | orlok | javispedro: nah.. stalker is a cool game |
| 02:33.03 | doc|home | javispedro: paranoia and misunderstanding of the tech involved |
| 02:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | orlok: yes. |
| 02:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: maybe because it ewas the only comarative event ever happening? |
| 02:33.45 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro: did council nominations close? |
| 02:33.52 | doc|home | except it's not comparative... 3 mile island is... |
| 02:33.59 | Jartza | I'm still comparing this to three mile island more than chernobyl :) |
| 02:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | and 3 Mile Island did exactly . . . nothing. |
| 02:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: that's arguable |
| 02:34.08 | doc|home | chernobyl was still working at full capacity when it went pop |
| 02:34.11 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: no msg yet, but I'd guess so. |
| 02:34.17 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: for you maybe... |
| 02:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro: damn, I was thinking about tossing one of my Undeclinable Nominations on you. :P |
| 02:34.38 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: achipa sneaked in the last minute. |
| 02:34.38 | doc|home | what's more, chernobyl is an different type of reactor |
| 02:34.43 | DocScrutinizer | no, for everybody. Actually you can't compare any of those past events |
| 02:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | Did he? |
| 02:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent. |
| 02:34.51 | GeneralAntilles | That man has his shit together. |
| 02:35.18 | javispedro | hehe |
| 02:35.33 | GeneralAntilles | w00t_ still sucks, though. |
| 02:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: you suck! stand for voting |
| 02:36.18 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: I'm almost as jaded and bitter as you. No need for me to make it worse. :P |
| 02:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 02:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | OK |
| 02:36.34 | javispedro | 's forgot about the full candidate list |
| 02:36.51 | GeneralAntilles | and everybody should vote for Felipe. |
| 02:36.58 | javispedro | either way, if there's less than 5 there's no election |
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| 02:39.12 | GeneralAntilles | Aye, but at least we'll have a council. |
| 02:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, do I really need to quote local TV N24 (asociated to CNN I guess)? >>Radiation increased *massively*, Japan Auth and Tokyo power corp say "extremely 'difficult' situation" (actually they used the term "fatally"), explosion in block2, fire in block4, ... errr I'm getting bored to parrot this while here we're arguing about halflife of sea water steam |
| 02:44.09 | javispedro | wake me up when a meteor crashes on it ;) |
| 02:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | face it: the core meltdown is under way on several of those blocks, and things won't get better, only much much worse. A pity and I'm not happy about that, but also I'm not in panic, it's just the bitter truth |
| 02:45.58 | Jartza | yeah, they talked about 400 millisieverts already |
| 02:46.20 | mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: agreed |
| 02:46.25 | Jartza | but it's a pity they use microsieverts and millisieverts |
| 02:46.31 | javispedro | so what |
| 02:46.55 | javispedro | a core meltdown means the reactor is ruined, something one could already guess when they pumped in water into it (which tends to, well, ruin it) |
| 02:47.16 | javispedro | so I guess they're now debating wheter they will be able to dismantle it the normal way, or the fugly way. |
| 02:47.40 | Jartza | what I understood is that it's better to stop pumping the water in when it's melting? |
| 02:48.35 | javispedro | normal way as in "dangerously but normal fuel cycle", fugly way as in "bury everything, wait a few hundred years, unbury" |
| 02:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I guess htey are now discussing how to evacuate Tokyo |
| 02:49.15 | javispedro | yes, they're surely going to expand a 20km evacuation area into 300km |
| 02:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | which obviously isn't an option |
| 02:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | nah, they expanded it to 30 for now |
| 02:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | but for mere feasibility reasons, more doesn't make sense as it's not doable |
| 02:50.28 | Jartza | evacuation area is 20km, for 20-30km they asked people to stay inside, close air conditioning and windows |
| 02:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 02:50.49 | Jartza | maybe it's time to start pumping the lead in the reactor :) |
| 02:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | not much of a difference though |
| 02:50.58 | javispedro | and I guess that's where the "this evacuation it's a friggin nuisance" vs "this evacuation is a nice gesture" line is. |
| 02:51.21 | Jartza | or "this evacuation is just impossible" |
| 02:51.30 | Jartza | "let's just be polite" :) |
| 02:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | exactly Jartza |
| 02:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | their last option failed. The prognostics of several *experts* about how such an event happens on such a type of reactor are just in time. It's about time for the real core meltdown, after the hydrogen explosions happened |
| 02:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | now that last one was a bit over the top |
| 02:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | but actually, I can't see why everybody here is talking down the event while even tenco and gvmt are admitting it got as bad as it could |
| 02:55.27 | javispedro | because "it gets as bad as it can" is a complete nonstory |
| 02:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's my words to quote their statements |
| 02:56.11 | DocScrutinizer | well, meh |
| 02:56.28 | javispedro | well, they were too quick to say "as bad as it could" then. |
| 02:56.40 | javispedro | because I can think of a few ways it could get way worse... and still be a nonstory... |
| 02:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | if you're not interested in truth but rather want to deny. I don't feel urged to report here |
| 02:57.28 | Jartza | I don't think I've denied the meltdown at any point :) |
| 02:58.12 | Jartza | actually I already thought two days ago that most propably they'll get a meltdown as too many systems fucked up |
| 02:58.24 | Jartza | you just can't cool down nuclear reactor with firetrucks |
| 02:58.37 | Jartza | or maybe you can ONE, but not multiple at the same time |
| 03:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: ++ |
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| 03:04.08 | doc|home | hydrogen explosion on reactor 4 allegedly |
| 03:04.15 | nox- | and fire... |
| 03:04.34 | nox- | (was on nhk world so official enough) |
| 03:05.05 | doc|home | they mentioned a fire, had they mentioned an explosion? I'm guessing the outer containment again? |
| 03:05.37 | nox- | i think they also talked about hydrogen explosion |
| 03:06.03 | nox- | (or am i mixing this up now? its late here... :) |
| 03:06.58 | doc|home | <******> Again, doing the math, a relative comparison suggests Fukushima is 0.00002% of the Chernobyl levels of radiation. These 'meltdowns' have nothing in common, unless you believe .000002% - below the mSv of a CT scan - is a public health threat. |
| 03:07.26 | doc|home | <******> that's a bit old, but CT scan is ~2mSv |
| 03:07.39 | doc|home | now at 400mSv of course |
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| 03:19.27 | doc|home | BREAKING NEWS: Fire at No.4 reactor apparently put out: Tokyo Electric |
| 03:24.27 | lofty306 | they did something rite |
| 03:25.26 | lofty306 | the rest of this has been plaauged by the HomerSimpson effect |
| 03:26.16 | doc|home | I don't remember homer having to deal with an 8.9 earthquake |
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| 03:26.32 | doc|home | was that in one of the later, crappier, episodes? |
| 03:27.27 | lofty306 | prob |
| 03:28.00 | lofty306 | it did the quake fine it was the flooding of the generators that did it in |
| 03:29.48 | lofty306 | to think if they didnt scram with the quake the;d probably be fine ... but all nuke plants are set to scram at a quake |
| 03:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | well, anyway allegedly the PV of #2 is broken |
| 03:30.26 | lofty306 | yep thats what thee thinnking |
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| 03:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | also they called out nuke emergency on Fuckishima-II plus 2 other plants |
| 03:31.42 | lofty306 | crap so 5 & 6 are having issues now? |
| 03:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | I already wondered why we don't hear about Fukushima-II |
| 03:32.13 | javispedro | the entire country is on a state emergency, in case you did not know... |
| 03:32.19 | lofty306 | its rite next to plant #1 it has 2 reactors |
| 03:32.35 | lofty306 | plant #1 has 4 reactors |
| 03:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: go debate the correct translation with somebody else |
| 03:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | err, Fukushima Daiichi has 6 blocks, Fukushima Daini has 4 |
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| 03:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | aiui Daiichi commonly referred to as Fuku-I |
| 03:36.36 | lofty306 | hmmm totaly confusing |
| 03:37.08 | lofty306 | daiichi is where all the probs are? |
| 03:37.11 | Jartza | Isn't fukushima II daniee? :) |
| 03:37.35 | javispedro | daiichi meaning the first, daini meaning the second =) |
| 03:37.46 | Jartza | ok :) |
| 03:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/12/japan-nuclear-earthquake/ http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/14/fukushima-more-technical-info/ http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/03/fukushima_crisis_anatomy_of_a.html to cure a bit of your confusion |
| 03:38.09 | Jartza | so it's FFFFFUUUUUU and Fukushima II |
| 03:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | You Europeans are up too late. |
| 03:41.10 | javispedro | tbh yes, doing stupid stuff as usual. |
| 03:41.10 | lofty306 | was pppretty shure reactors 1-3 and a fire at 4 at plant 1 were having the issuess. |
| 03:42.40 | Jartza | yeah, going to sleep soon :) |
| 03:42.44 | Jartza | it's soon 6am :) |
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| 03:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | Leiberman needs to die already. |
| 03:46.38 | Jartza | so nights everyone :) |
| 03:46.43 | javispedro | nite |
| 03:47.15 | doc|home | BREAKING NEWS: Small amounts of radioactive substances detected in Tokyo |
| 03:49.18 | lofty306 | eek! |
| 03:50.06 | lofty306 | anythng matching what was released from the reactors? |
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| 03:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | That's better. |
| 03:52.12 | doc|home | lofty306: no more info than that |
| 03:53.29 | lofty306 | k |
| 03:55.34 | doc|home | nikkei down 1000pts |
| 03:55.36 | doc|home | ouch |
| 03:57.05 | lofty306 | did i just see rite nother blast at the nuke plant? or ther repeatiing themselves? |
| 03:58.27 | doc|home | there's been a 3rd one, then a fire which is now supposedly out |
| 04:03.02 | lofty306 | that is where i am for a few hours now |
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| 04:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
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| 04:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | I really wish they had "better weather" in Japan |
| 04:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | the sequence of events at Fukushima basically was inevitable once it was clear the mobile generators wouldn't make it, but the weather... :-/ |
| 04:16.21 | chx | i just found The tsunami wave that hit the plant measured at least 7 metres in height, compared to the maximum 6.5 metre case the plant was designed to cope with. |
| 04:17.01 | doc|home | you know there's a guy with a hardhat, standing there, watching it saying "I fucking knew we should have built it higher" |
| 04:17.27 | lofty306 | yep aand the quake was stronger than designed for though than didnt directly cause this |
| 04:18.09 | doc|home | there's another plant even closer which had no issues :/ |
| 04:18.12 | lofty306 | and another saying " i told them to put the generators on the roof" |
| 04:18.17 | doc|home | heh |
| 04:20.35 | doc|home | oh shit |
| 04:20.36 | doc|home | http://world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Possible_damage_at_Fukushima_Daiichi_2_1503111.html |
| 04:21.01 | lofty306 | like highrise buildings put the dc generator for the elevator motors on the roof regardless of weather the elevator motors are in the basement or the tower |
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| 04:23.44 | lofty306 | below it is either the floor of containment vessel or the coolant loop for the core and the heat exchanger to the 2nd loop |
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| 04:24.09 | doc|home | that's 8mSv, right? not so bad |
| 04:25.05 | lofty306 | ? |
| 04:25.16 | doc|home | looks like this might not be that bad, relatively speaking |
| 04:25.23 | doc|home | unless the shtf on this too |
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| 04:26.35 | lofty306 | it was prob ond of the cooling loops that went |
| 04:26.39 | lofty306 | one |
| 04:27.46 | lofty306 | if #2 not so bad cause it couldnt cool anything already they were directlly ppumping seawater into the core |
| 04:27.59 | lofty306 | byppassing the reg cooling setup |
| 04:27.59 | doc|home | was already supposed to be off |
| 04:28.29 | lofty306 | that too but they got that going again after the explosiion in #2 |
| 04:28.43 | lofty306 | the last explosion |
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| 05:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: consider the wind now directly transports from Fuku to Tokyo. Don't expect they miss to accidently insert a "m" if it wasn't milliS but Sievert. A panic in Tokyo would cause way more fatalities than whatver radiation might come from over there |
| 05:10.01 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: wind is moving west |
| 05:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, my weatherude shows forecasts that exactly hit Tokyo, with a little detour over inland, as wind will take some 10..20h to transport, and it's moving again counter clockwise during that period |
| 05:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | weather dude* |
| 05:15.09 | luke-jr | wow |
| 05:15.11 | luke-jr | https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2125.0;all |
| 05:15.15 | luke-jr | read the last post |
| 05:15.28 | luke-jr | what kind of idiot OCs to 1150 MHz and leaves it maxing out CPU? |
| 05:15.46 | doc|home | the kind named Gokhan? |
| 05:15.57 | doc|home | he'll have no battery life either |
| 05:16.27 | luke-jr | well, that will only be a problem for a month or two |
| 05:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 05:39.29 | doc|home | http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78135.html |
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| 05:42.54 | RST38h | Sooo, have we got another explosion? |
| 05:43.35 | lofty306 | 3 total sofar |
| 05:43.50 | lofty306 | unless another in the last 30m or so |
| 05:45.01 | RST38h | there are news that the 4th reactor exploded around 5:53MSK |
| 05:45.07 | derf | Not so much a new explosion as melty fuel rods in reactor 2. |
| 05:45.12 | RST38h | that will be 3 hours ago |
| 05:45.20 | derf | RST38h: Just a fire, I think, not an explosion. |
| 05:45.49 | RST38h | Ah, ok. A bit later then... |
| 05:46.08 | lofty306 | fire on #4 they put that out #2 exploded |
| 05:46.33 | lofty306 | but internaly the outter buildiing is intact |
| 05:46.52 | RST38h | The whole thing feels like a really cheap Japanese horror movie |
| 05:47.02 | derf | I assure you it's very expensive. |
| 05:47.05 | lofty306 | they thought the inner coontainment may be effected and expanded the evacuation area |
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| 05:47.24 | RST38h | derf: Yea, I mean, it is not1.5 hours long! |
| 05:48.06 | doc|home | this horror movie is going to last a LONG time... they're staring down the barrel of 7-8+ aftershock in the next couple of days, like incorporating another tsunami |
| 05:48.21 | RST38h | doc: no way... |
| 05:48.45 | doc|home | seemingly that's how these things play out |
| 05:48.55 | doc|home | like any cheap horror movie |
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| 05:48.58 | doc|home | same plot |
| 05:49.02 | doc|home | night :( |
| 05:49.12 | lofty306 | heh |
| 05:49.22 | RST38h | Except there should be Godzilla comingout of the Tokyo bay any time now. |
| 05:49.41 | derf | I don't think aftershocks in Chile last year got aout 6.6. |
| 05:49.52 | derf | *above |
| 05:50.02 | lofty306 | look at christs church it took a moonth or more for the big aftershoockk |
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| 05:50.21 | vkvraju | I really feel sorry for whats happening to Japan now |
| 05:50.47 | Dantonic | hey how do I avoid the SASL identification with this server when trying to connect from my 3G network? |
| 05:50.49 | lofty306 | after shooocks can be upto 1 whole number less than the orrigioonal |
| 05:51.47 | Dantonic | can't connect to freenode from my 3G network |
| 05:52.05 | lofty306 | use the web chat ssh to another linbox not on tmo , figure out how to install the sasl script |
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| 05:52.30 | lofty306 | then tell me |
| 05:53.51 | lofty306 | freenode has sasl scripts for irssi and xchat |
| 05:54.03 | lofty306 | doont remember where they are |
| 05:55.08 | lofty306 | as i remember xchat on the n900 doont have python or perl installed |
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| 06:21.25 | pupnik | 07:20 <+pupnik> "the cooling system failed" |
| 06:21.26 | pupnik | 07:20 <+pupnik> is not an explanation of why the cooling system failed |
| 06:21.26 | pupnik | 07:20 <@maggijo> yes it is |
| 06:21.32 | pupnik | people are stupid |
| 06:23.01 | lofty306 | yepyep |
| 06:23.21 | ds3 | failure of the cooling system could cause further failure of the cooling system ;) |
| 06:23.27 | ds3 | recursive failures! |
| 06:23.50 | RST38h | stack overflow! |
| 06:24.11 | pupnik | this was offered as an 'explanation' by two women seperately |
| 06:24.37 | lofty306 | then coredump |
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| 06:27.29 | ds3 | has anyone did a radiological survey to see how high the effected area is? |
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| 06:28.04 | lofty306 | probaby but not telling us |
| 06:28.20 | RST38h | ds3: 20km right now |
| 06:28.38 | ds3 | goes to look up how high the jetstream is |
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| 06:28.58 | lofty306 | they got geiger counters about the plant |
| 06:29.02 | lofty306 | and outside |
| 06:29.35 | ds3 | doh.. they start at 16km |
| 06:29.39 | lofty306 | the uss reagan detected radiation 160miles off the coast and steemed outta the area |
| 06:29.47 | ds3 | has anyone detected particles in the EU yet? |
| 06:30.02 | pupnik | Tokyo Electric Power Company says radiation levels reached 8,217 microsieverts per hour near the front gate of the Fukushima No.1 nuclear power station at 8:31 AM Tuesday. |
| 06:30.59 | pupnik | background level there is around 0.035 mSv |
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| 06:31.33 | ds3 | does the bot here convert from sieverts to curies? |
| 06:31.49 | lofty306 | heh |
| 06:31.50 | RST38h | detects a particle, catches it into a glass jar |
| 06:32.53 | ds3 | think it is time to find a geiger counter and keep fresh batteries around :/ |
| 06:33.05 | lofty306 | wheres raster when you need him |
| 06:33.48 | RST38h | probably digging a shelter |
| 06:33.58 | lofty306 | heh |
| 06:34.04 | ds3 | now if there was only a bluetooth geiger counter and have the N900 generate alerts based on that |
| 06:34.20 | lofty306 | he |
| 06:34.23 | lofty306 | h |
| 06:34.48 | lofty306 | they did detect rads in tokyo but didnt elaborte |
| 06:36.18 | lofty306 | HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- Radiation levels in Tokyo surged to 23 times normal on Tuesday, according to reports that cited readings released by the Tokyo metropolitan government. |
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| 06:37.27 | timeless_w7ip | SpeedEvil: did you find the password manager? |
| 06:38.29 | timeless_w7ip | start adding a bookmark |
| 06:38.35 | timeless_w7ip | change the name to Password Manager |
| 06:38.42 | timeless_w7ip | change the url to chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul |
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| 06:41.57 | lofty306 | http://twitpic.com/49mm4l/full this may help ds3 |
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| 06:44.37 | ds3 | I've seen charts like that before in curies |
| 06:45.00 | lofty306 | put one next to other? |
| 06:45.20 | lofty306 | im loosing it |
| 06:45.26 | ds3 | or was that rads |
| 06:45.51 | lofty306 | idunno |
| 06:47.27 | timeless_w7ip | kicks lofty306 |
| 06:47.31 | timeless_w7ip | s/loosing/losing/ |
| 06:47.37 | pupnik | Found it: "The problem, Mr Wilson said, was that the hook-up is done through electric switching equipment that is in a basement room flooded by the tsunami." http://www.smh.com.au/environment/a-growing-nuclear-dread-20110314-1bueo.html |
| 06:47.43 | timeless_w7ip | slit's lofty306's tongue |
| 06:47.50 | timeless_w7ip | lets loose some blood |
| 06:48.08 | lofty306 | glues it back on and typoes timeless_w7ip to insanity |
| 06:48.17 | timeless_w7ip | do not use a loose tongue, you will lose respect of your peers |
| 06:48.54 | lofty306 | well put timeless_w7ip |
| 06:48.54 | timeless_w7ip | lofty306: i just got a reply from a game designer who was shipping a game w/ "You Loose" (i.e. "You [female] Slut") |
| 06:49.05 | pupnik | heheh |
| 06:49.08 | lofty306 | haha |
| 06:49.31 | timeless_w7ip | it seems to be a common mistake |
| 06:49.36 | timeless_w7ip | but it's rather unfortunate |
| 06:49.56 | timeless_w7ip | in some parts of the world >50% of the audience is female |
| 06:49.58 | RST38h | Meanwhile in Brunei: http://gizmodo.com/#!5781866/the-sultan-of-bruneis-rotting-supercar-collection |
| 06:50.07 | timeless_w7ip | and in your average game, "Game Over" is the standard end case |
| 06:50.10 | timeless_w7ip | which means everyone will see it |
| 06:51.38 | RST38h | How many people will interpret "loose" as "slut"? |
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| 06:52.31 | RST38h | Google dictionary lists this meaning as item #11 =) |
| 06:53.16 | timeless_w7ip | wwwtitle: www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/6/21/233941/642 |
| 06:55.30 | timeless_w7ip | hit two is disturbing: http://www.womens-health.com/boards/sex/11153-how-loose-you.html [NSFW] |
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| 06:59.07 | lofty306 | oh geez caNT STop laughing |
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| 06:59.56 | timeless_xchat | well that sucked |
| 07:00.06 | timeless_xchat | my ideapad started chirping |
| 07:00.20 | timeless_xchat | i was afraid it was having a heart attack |
| 07:00.26 | timeless_xchat | i started recording it with my n900 |
| 07:00.32 | timeless_xchat | and then it blue screened |
| 07:01.18 | lofty306 | hehehe |
| 07:01.48 | lofty306 | you can always count on a blue screen at soome ppoinnt |
| 07:03.07 | lofty306 | timeless_xchat, any ideas for a decent touchpadd? not to expensive? |
| 07:03.59 | lofty306 | prob atom cpu |
| 07:04.03 | timeless_xchat | so, most of the ones i've seen suck |
| 07:04.33 | timeless_xchat | i have a lenovo s10-3t because it was a give-away to meego conf dublin attendees |
| 07:04.36 | timeless_xchat | timeless.justdave.net/20110315_002.mp4 |
| 07:04.37 | lofty306 | imlooking exopc but its like $700 |
| 07:04.49 | timeless_xchat | s/its/it's/ |
| 07:05.31 | lofty306 | but it seems whimpy spec wise to others i see but cant find |
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| 07:09.50 | timeless_xchat | goes off to install ie9 |
| 07:10.06 | timeless_xchat | eww, that's scary |
| 07:10.18 | lofty306 | haha just clicked install ie9 |
| 07:10.24 | timeless_xchat | mse claims the ie9 installer turned it off |
| 07:10.58 | lofty306 | and it is now pushing ie8 on me |
| 07:11.17 | timeless_xchat | 8? |
| 07:11.45 | lofty306 | i clickked to d/l ie9 |
| 07:12.16 | timeless_xchat | btw, are you using ie to trigger the download? |
| 07:12.24 | lofty306 | yeah |
| 07:12.33 | lofty306 | geuss its for w7 |
| 07:12.47 | timeless_xchat | did it offer w32/w64 or just one flavor? |
| 07:12.51 | lofty306 | ijust put xppro in a vm it not like that |
| 07:13.19 | timeless_xchat | yeah um, xp is kinda on an EoL process |
| 07:13.27 | lofty306 | never got to dl it it saw xp and said install ie8 that is already installed |
| 07:13.47 | timeless_xchat | it'll get there around 2014 iirc |
| 07:14.21 | lofty306 | heh i just need win for one activ x site i gotta use |
| 07:14.42 | timeless_xchat | you have my sympathies |
| 07:15.44 | lofty306 | tell me about it havent got the mouse speed to cooperate yet in the vm |
| 07:16.14 | lofty306 | modiified it in controll panel but its still screwie |
| 07:17.04 | lofty306 | aatleast i doont gotta boot into it anymore |
| 07:17.10 | timeless_xchat | it's equivalent to running Red Hat 7.2 (Enigma) today |
| 07:17.28 | timeless_xchat | do you remember Enigma? |
| 07:17.32 | lofty306 | nope |
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| 07:17.43 | lofty306 | i never did rhh |
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| 07:18.46 | timeless_xchat | for perspective, 7.2 was roughly RHEL2.1 |
| 07:19.04 | lofty306 | started on suse8.2 that lasted a month till i installed gentoo been there ever since though i got ubuntubbies on my laptops now |
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| 07:20.03 | timeless_xchat | the debian equivalent was Potato |
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| 07:20.53 | timeless_xchat | it was released in 2000 and EoL was 2004 |
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| 07:21.50 | timeless_xchat | can someone tell me if Slink is really still supported? |
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| 07:24.34 | lofty306 | now watching your blue screen of death |
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| 07:25.42 | timeless_xchat | the suse equivalent is 7.3 and its EoL was in 2003 |
| 07:25.57 | lofty306 | wow |
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| 07:37.09 | timeless_xchat | the equivalent OS X is 10.1 Puma |
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| 07:37.44 | lofty306 | crap dd of a cd to an .iso and humming away at top speed driiving me nutss |
| 07:37.57 | timeless_xchat | apple doesn't announce EoLs, but it was effectively dead mid 2002 |
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| 07:38.50 | timeless_xchat | and was definitely dead in 2004 |
| 07:39.11 | timeless_xchat | ... people really don't appreciate microsoft's long support periods |
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| 07:39.35 | lofty306 | 618061824 bytes (618 MB) copied, 239.456 s, 2.6 MB/s |
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| 07:41.47 | timeless_xchat | for some reason, my favorite windows program has decided to show strings in random languages |
| 07:42.39 | timeless_xchat | i've seen one cjk, a romanian, and i think a spanish and a german |
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| 07:45.08 | timeless_xchat | it appears to have been the c of cjk |
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| 07:49.35 | timeless_xchat | anyway, the app is Soluto |
| 07:50.24 | timeless_xchat | fwiw, microsoft isn't quite alone |
| 07:50.44 | timeless_xchat | Solaris 8 was released in 2000 and its EoL is 2012 |
| 07:51.11 | timeless_xchat | Solaris 9 was released 2002/2003 and its EoL is 2014 |
| 07:51.27 | ruskie | well but then sun boxes tend to be... drop it in and never think about it again... |
| 07:51.34 | ruskie | atleast from what I've heard |
| 07:51.42 | ruskie | very solid build quality and so on |
| 07:51.44 | ruskie | few failures |
| 07:51.54 | Veggen | ruskie: depends on usage. |
| 07:51.57 | ruskie | so it would make sense to have long support periods |
| 07:52.03 | timeless_xchat | generally yeah |
| 07:52.20 | timeless_xchat | my solaris box was living in the basement at work for a long time |
| 07:52.37 | timeless_xchat | sadly it got stuck and i forgot how to configure networking |
| 07:52.50 | timeless_xchat | so now it's in my office waiting for me to poke it |
| 07:52.55 | ruskie | hehe |
| 07:53.09 | ruskie | never really know how to do it so always had to look up stuff when I did set it up |
| 07:53.17 | timeless_xchat | the hazard of a box that's too stable... you don't remember how to use it |
| 07:53.24 | timeless_xchat | nods |
| 07:53.24 | ruskie | but we sold those on to the main office |
| 07:54.53 | chx | ruskie: well dont drop it in from too high and then yes they go for 10-20 years without a tick |
| 07:55.37 | ruskie | chx, that's generally the info I got |
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| 07:57.13 | timeless_xchat | poor Windows 2000 reached EoL last year |
| 07:57.33 | timeless_xchat | and i was using that in '99 or thereabouts |
| 07:57.57 | lofty306 | my sun was installed with solaris 10 like 2-3 of more years ago and i forgot how to do anythign on it but use it it never goes haywire |
| 07:57.59 | timeless_xchat | (starting w/ nt5b2 iirc) |
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| 07:58.55 | lofty306 | though i did at the time add root and bash to maake life simple |
| 07:59.14 | lofty306 | though i did at the time i did add root and bash to maake life simple |
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| 08:01.00 | lofty306 | i was still using w2k last week till i needed activX |
| 08:02.21 | lofty306 | after i blew up xp on my netbook not un turboing the boot while installing another os |
| 08:03.37 | timeless_xchat | my desktop here still runs w2k, but it has hardware issues and i rarely use it |
| 08:03.45 | timeless_xchat | it's from '98 |
| 08:04.31 | lofty306 | so i put w2k in a vm see if i can flash things from the vm |
| 08:05.54 | lofty306 | and yeah you geeussed it linux devices that only give you a loader to flash them from windows |
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| 08:06.16 | timeless_xchat | grr, the windows os page on wikipedia is locked |
| 08:07.06 | lofty306 | hehe M$ prob wewrites it glorifying it to often |
| 08:07.17 | lofty306 | *rewrites |
| 08:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | lofty306: you're telling gibberish |
| 08:08.16 | lofty306 | ok |
| 08:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | lofty306: what's that ""linux devices that only give you a loader to flash them from windows""? |
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| 08:08.40 | lofty306 | yeah |
| 08:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | yeah is a linux device? |
| 08:09.07 | lofty306 | yeah |
| 08:09.41 | lofty306 | embedded linux and they only give me a loader that runs on windows |
| 08:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's really poor product support |
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| 08:14.54 | lofty306 | hmm i cant seem to get controll of the usb port from the vm |
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| 08:24.05 | AsiQue | morning |
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| 08:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | lofty306: that's a known problem. IIRC there are suggestions how to solve that, but generally USB support in a VM is different to the real thing, and differs from VM to VM |
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| 08:55.58 | SpeedEvil | timeless_xchat: Wow! That's so intuitive! :) |
| 08:56.03 | SpeedEvil | Thanks. |
| 08:58.02 | SpeedEvil | A generic 'USB over foo' bridge protocol would be lovely. |
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| 08:58.23 | robbiethe1st | Hm... USB over UDP. That -would- be cool. |
| 08:58.45 | ruskie | I thought there was USB over TCP already |
| 08:58.55 | robbiethe1st | Well, that'd work too, I suppose |
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| 09:03.17 | timeless_xchat | speedevil: iirc there's a wiki page that talks about it |
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| 09:03.30 | timeless_xchat | search the channel logs for the url |
| 09:04.36 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 09:05.20 | SpeedEvil | Not doing right now - it's pouring with rain, and I'm getting ready to bring in a massive load of insulation that I ordered. |
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| 09:09.41 | dashavoo | Morning all |
| 09:10.01 | pupnik | o/ |
| 09:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | sure there is USBoTCP |
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| 09:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | \o |
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| 09:55.47 | MohammadAG | I wonder how I could get the last character from a QString... |
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| 09:56.33 | MohammadAG | endsWith() o_O |
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| 10:02.47 | RST38h | MohammadAGL OMG |
| 10:02.53 | RST38h | A rich API! |
| 10:03.13 | MohammadAG | xD |
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| 10:29.38 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:30.14 | trx | hello |
| 10:31.17 | SpeedEvil | HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:31.34 | SpeedEvil | is trying to convince himself he's feeling energetic. |
| 10:32.15 | MohammadAG | morning Jaffa |
| 10:33.07 | RST38h | hits SpeedEvil on the head with an OS/370 manual |
| 10:33.15 | RST38h | good mourning to you too |
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| 10:45.29 | achipa | RST38h: the proper mispronounciation is "good moaning" |
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| 10:59.47 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | I thought it was 'gooed moening' |
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| 11:01.49 | achipa | nope, definitely moaning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNVU5ZjlgA |
| 11:02.06 | trx | so its gooed moaning? :) |
| 11:02.38 | achipa | I'll leave that to the language experts :P |
| 11:02.48 | trx | :) |
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| 11:25.24 | Khertan | Morning |
| 11:25.30 | deno | hi |
| 11:31.02 | visz | anyone tried swappolube? |
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| 11:32.44 | SpeedEvil | Many people, not me. |
| 11:33.04 | SpeedEvil | It's just tweaking the kernel tweakables a bit. |
| 11:33.53 | visz | seems so |
| 11:34.44 | Khertan | visz: i use it why ? |
| 11:36.10 | visz | it's not in repository, but i guess it's safe to use |
| 11:37.06 | trx | its not? |
| 11:38.07 | visz | hmm |
| 11:38.30 | trx | its in extras-testing |
| 11:40.52 | visz | right |
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| 11:44.30 | visz | ah, there was something wrong with my apt-cache |
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| 12:57.30 | visz | whee |
| 12:57.36 | visz | nokia shipping the free E7 |
| 12:58.36 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 12:58.43 | RST38h | yep |
| 12:58.52 | RST38h | Mine is still on the DHL truck though |
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| 13:32.02 | marmoute | dashavoo: what's your jobs ? |
| 13:35.15 | marmoute | chief operator at Tecpo in the north of tokyo ? |
| 13:36.22 | doc|home | hahaha |
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| 13:40.23 | Khertan | it s not funny. |
| 13:41.49 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/15/preview_tablet_asus_eee_pad_slider/ <-- interesting |
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| 14:16.50 | RST38h | hails three copies of javispedro |
| 14:17.27 | javispedro | blame this multi channel madness =) |
| 14:17.58 | javispedro | and morning, all. |
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| 14:22.28 | javispedro | omg qgil at the qradio thread |
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| 14:22.41 | javispedro | and blaming qtmobility! |
| 14:23.18 | RST38h | qgil blaming qmobility? omg |
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| 14:23.27 | RST38h | he is wearing thin, poor guy! =) |
| 14:24.26 | javispedro | I guess this is because QtMobility's Maemo radio support being incomplete is not subject to debate nor marketing. |
| 14:24.39 | Khertan | ruskie: indeed ... interesting |
| 14:25.26 | Khertan | qgil blaming something ? omg :) |
| 14:27.46 | SpeedEvil | interesting indeed ruskie |
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| 15:17.23 | lolcat | Can't I just run Dalvik on my phone? |
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| 15:21.58 | javispedro | obviously you can! |
| 15:22.06 | javispedro | just upload it and execute it. |
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| 15:23.51 | rm_work | actually, i'm with lolcat, i still don't understand why we can't run dalvik if the team is demoing it and it appears to work... we're just... not allowed? do we have to pirate it or something? >_> |
| 15:24.12 | rm_work | I thought it had been demo'd ON an n900 |
| 15:24.13 | javispedro | forgive me for not having stolen the poor guy's N900. |
| 15:24.36 | rm_work | <_< |
| 15:24.44 | alterego | You can't pirate something that isn't out. And why don't you just wait for them to release it .. |
| 15:25.01 | rm_work | everyone keeps telling me that we'll never see it released for n900 |
| 15:25.05 | rm_work | ... |
| 15:25.12 | alterego | Yup, and they're probably right |
| 15:25.38 | rm_work | ... |
| 15:25.49 | rm_work | but it works. I've seen it work (in videos at least) |
| 15:26.05 | rm_work | so... do i have to go break into the developer's server to get it? :/ |
| 15:26.21 | javispedro | developers tend not to like that. |
| 15:26.41 | rm_work | i tend to not like people who taunt me with a working solution and then stuff it away on a shelf |
| 15:26.52 | rm_work | so they can go fuck themselves |
| 15:27.34 | rm_work | I'd buy it if they let me |
| 15:30.06 | lolcat | alterego: Google have released Dalvik |
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| 15:31.43 | rm_work | well, i'm at least talking about Alien Dalvik |
| 15:31.47 | rm_work | possibly different? |
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| 15:32.26 | lolcat | rm_work: Who has it? we should beg for them to sell/borrow us the code |
| 15:33.54 | Jaffa | rm_work: You don't _know_ it was working beyond 3 functions (roughly( |
| 15:34.08 | rm_work | Jaffa: i suppose that's true |
| 15:34.11 | rm_work | it could be smoke and mirrors |
| 15:34.22 | rm_work | lolcat: http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Manufacturers/Android-solutions/Alien-Dalvik.aspx |
| 15:34.40 | rm_work | their page uses n900 as their device :P |
| 15:34.42 | lolcat | estnt them an email |
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| 15:35.43 | lolcat | How much do you think alien dalvik can cost? |
| 15:36.08 | lolcat | Can't one of the devs here get a job there and leak it? |
| 15:36.16 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:36.34 | rm_work | Jaffa: rewatching the demo video, it appears they are actually running applications and doing stuff in them... |
| 15:36.41 | ccooke | lolcat: I don't think it's currently a consumer product - nor is there an indication they're going to release it as one |
| 15:36.45 | lolcat | I asked if I could try or buy it |
| 15:37.05 | lolcat | ccooke: That is pure evilness |
| 15:37.09 | rm_work | though the demo of googlemaps cuts off really quickly so i wonder if it wasn't working well |
| 15:37.21 | ccooke | All they've talked about is licensing it for individual apps |
| 15:37.35 | rm_work | yeah, it is sad, they are developing it on n900, and then saying "sorry, we won't release this for n900 ever" >_> |
| 15:37.39 | rm_work | which is ridiculous |
| 15:38.01 | lolcat | Yeah, they could release a limited version for the N900 only |
| 15:38.03 | ccooke | rm_work: I suspect it's just ugly to use. |
| 15:38.08 | rm_work | i'm imagining some doctors come up with a cure for cancer, and then say "sorry, but this isn't for use by anyone, we're just going to show you it works and then put it in a vault" |
| 15:38.09 | lolcat | So we could have it |
| 15:38.28 | ccooke | that is, individual apps work fine, but running the market and using that to install apps is probably badly broken |
| 15:38.29 | rm_work | do you think people wouldn't storm the gates with pitchforks then? >_> |
| 15:38.57 | lolcat | ccooke: Who needs the marked? We could make our own marked... |
| 15:39.00 | rm_work | it's a ridiculous analogy but i think it illustrates the point |
| 15:39.16 | ccooke | rm_work: there's quite a difference, though. Nobody is going to die for lack of android apps on the n900 |
| 15:39.22 | rm_work | i'd be 100% happier with n900 just from running the real google-maps app |
| 15:39.23 | lolcat | rm_work: We should threathen to make a free open-source version |
| 15:39.37 | ccooke | rm_work: not really. They have no duty or moral imperative to release their software. |
| 15:39.37 | rm_work | lolcat: i don't think they'd care |
| 15:39.51 | lolcat | rm_work: They couldn't sell it if we made a free version |
| 15:40.05 | lolcat | I want Spotify offline on my N900 |
| 15:40.07 | ccooke | I mean, I'm *dissapointed*, but I don't see how we'd have any right to hate them over it |
| 15:40.21 | rm_work | so instead, they should for some reason just save us the work and make it free because we threaten to possibly make it free in the future? >_> |
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| 15:41.39 | rm_work | i firmly believe it is morally wrong to withold software that solves common problems... if you wrote it, and you don't ever plan to sell it, JUST LET PEOPLE HAVE IT. |
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| 15:41.55 | rm_work | of course, i also believe that software patents need to be abolished |
| 15:42.35 | rm_work | but it's especially annoying when they taunt us with it |
| 15:42.57 | javispedro | well there's some problems with that |
| 15:43.00 | ccooke | rm_work: Okay. I agree over software patents, but... I do not believe that this solves a common problem. What's more, they are actively gtrying to sell it. |
| 15:43.01 | rm_work | it's more akin I suppose to holding a treat above a puppy's nose and never letting them have it |
| 15:43.05 | frals | and you are also a sw developer by trade putting everything out as foss? |
| 15:43.17 | javispedro | if you start giving it out you're discarding making a dime out of it in the far future. |
| 15:43.24 | rm_work | frals: i would if i was allowed |
| 15:43.36 | rm_work | but, like i said, if they were willing to sell it i would just buy it |
| 15:43.41 | rm_work | but from what i' |
| 15:43.52 | rm_work | *from what i've been told, it will just *not be available* |
| 15:44.09 | rm_work | thus: "if you wrote it, and you don't ever plan to sell it, JUST LET PEOPLE HAVE IT." |
| 15:44.10 | ccooke | rm_work: it will... for individual apps. |
| 15:44.23 | ccooke | and possibly not on n900. |
| 15:44.26 | rm_work | >_< |
| 15:44.44 | javispedro | and paid by oems, which have way more money than end users.. |
| 15:45.08 | rm_work | well, i have to go to a meeting, and i assume this discussion will be over when i get back, but |
| 15:45.43 | rm_work | if my company was going to do something similar, I would definitely leak the software to the public, because doing otherwise i would feel morally wrong |
| 15:45.50 | rm_work | software is meant to be used |
| 15:46.08 | ccooke | rm_work: they *are* trying to use it. |
| 15:46.14 | javispedro | watches rm_work grew stallman-like beard. |
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| 15:46.18 | rm_work | heh |
| 15:46.20 | javispedro | *grow |
| 15:46.22 | ccooke | Just not in exactly the way *you* (well... we) want |
| 15:46.29 | rm_work | i met stallman, he's a childish ass, but he has some damn good points |
| 15:47.05 | rm_work | had dinner with him actually.... disturbingly specific about his food too... |
| 15:47.11 | rm_work | anywho |
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| 15:47.15 | rm_work | goes to meeting |
| 15:55.41 | RST38h | javispedro: he will also need a teakettle and a plastic bag with the tea |
| 15:55.50 | RST38h | Oh, wait, he will also need flippers |
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| 16:03.24 | thebootroo | hello everyone |
| 16:03.31 | thebootroo | i'm qt apps developer and i just created a page with my best creations (in beta stage), can i show you ? |
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| 16:03.55 | thebootroo | http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/mobileApps/ |
| 16:04.34 | thebootroo | ATm its just a page on my other site but i'm planning to put download link for .deb packages as soon i success in doing one |
| 16:05.40 | chem|st | thebootroo: would like to see them in extras if you mind |
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| 16:05.50 | thebootroo | why not int future |
| 16:08.56 | thebootroo | what do you think about the ui stuff ? |
| 16:11.22 | Jaffa | thebootroo: Uploading them to Extras(-devel) is better than shipping random binary debs |
| 16:13.57 | thebootroo | i not sure, i'll surely provide my own installer script cause the built int App manager is a crap and fappman is just better but not as i want |
| 16:14.17 | thebootroo | (i'm a non-easily satisfied person you know) |
| 16:14.18 | lcuk | thebootroo, the HAM has backup/restore capabilities |
| 16:14.23 | lcuk | and *works* |
| 16:14.38 | lcuk | it might be sluggish, but better that than having to rummage around for your random deb |
| 16:14.47 | thebootroo | i've already started an app store like program |
| 16:14.55 | lcuk | Maemo extras process is designed to care for your source and packages :) |
| 16:15.01 | thebootroo | you will not have to rummage |
| 16:15.22 | lcuk | nods |
| 16:15.29 | lcuk | but how will user install our app store after flashing? |
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| 16:15.39 | lcuk | currently I go to backup and restore from settings |
| 16:15.44 | thebootroo | just dl one app using the way you want and this app will be used to install others apps |
| 16:16.45 | lcuk | notes that an app mall will be better principle :) |
| 16:17.56 | thebootroo | its just an very simple and beautiful app to install/remove/update the apps i provide on my ftp |
| 16:18.00 | Jaffa | thebootroo: If you're starting your own "app store" project, you should engage other devs sooner rather than later, so it's not viewed a) with suspicion and b) as an installer for your own apps only |
| 16:18.51 | thebootroo | in the first time it WILL be a store for my apps only |
| 16:18.51 | lcuk | thebootroo, note, MeeGo DeveloperEdition has no custom user front end for installing apps |
| 16:18.56 | Jaffa | thebootroo: <devil's-advocate>Meaning it (and they) doesn't go through any of the QA of Extras; don't get the publicity and discoverability of maemo.org/downloads/ or HAM; disappear when you do; ...</devil's-advocate> |
| 16:19.04 | thebootroo | and next i'll add a custom repos functions |
| 16:19.49 | thebootroo | you know, in the very poor HAM, the apps will be flooded in the mass so not better |
| 16:20.00 | thebootroo | users really need a better App Sotre |
| 16:20.04 | thebootroo | *store |
| 16:20.31 | thebootroo | but as i dont use the same schema as HAM i cant support all pakages out-of-the-box |
| 16:22.28 | thebootroo | i'm not in the optic of a geek who customize his phone an brick it every week, but a standard user that want simpler apps for daily usage |
| 16:23.45 | thebootroo | cause BTW a power user knows apt-get and dpkg so he can install manually apps (as i do personnaly, i prefer using Xterm + apt to upgrade instead of HAM or fapman |
| 16:23.59 | lcuk | pssst power users are lazy too ;) |
| 16:24.29 | thebootroo | yes that's why i prefer typing one line of text instead of clicking and waiting a couple of time |
| 16:25.05 | thebootroo | about the UI, did you noticed i use mainly a customized version of Harmattan Ui guidelines ? |
| 16:25.12 | lcuk | thebootroo, how do you gainroot without using ham? |
| 16:25.30 | thebootroo | i use scripting behing my qt app |
| 16:25.37 | lcuk | i mean at first |
| 16:25.42 | lcuk | to install stuff with the console |
| 16:25.47 | lcuk | you need to install rootsh |
| 16:25.52 | thebootroo | yes |
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| 16:25.54 | lcuk | ie, have to already go through the pain |
| 16:26.47 | thebootroo | i'm looking into a possibility to install the programs in home |
| 16:27.13 | thebootroo | (very light programs and single user phone so no problem virtually) |
| 16:28.37 | thebootroo | so, guys, i have to go |
| 16:29.11 | thebootroo | bye |
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| 16:57.20 | MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSgTH8EP8mk thoughts? |
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| 17:39.09 | rm_work | looks neat |
| 17:42.16 | MohammadAG | shot with an N900, it pwns the N8 |
| 17:42.51 | timeless_xchat | hi rm |
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| 17:43.01 | rm_work | hey timeless_xchat |
| 17:43.03 | rm_work | how goes it |
| 17:43.38 | trx | MohammadAG good job |
| 17:43.53 | timeless_xchat | i'm watching sp3000 play w/ an n8 |
| 17:44.30 | timeless_xchat | timeless.justdave.net/gallery/v/n8 |
| 17:44.35 | MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, I'm assuming you got bored already |
| 17:44.40 | MohammadAG | trx, thanks :D |
| 17:44.56 | timeless_xchat | mohammadag: yep |
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| 17:48.27 | rm_work | timeless_xchat: you trying to kill my neck? :P |
| 17:48.52 | rm_work | keep twisting my neck back and forth looking at this slideshow as the pics keep alternating their rotation 180d |
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| 17:49.30 | MohammadAG | the N8 isn't really that fun |
| 17:49.32 | timeless_xchat | really? |
| 17:49.47 | timeless_xchat | i blame the n900 image viewer |
| 17:49.52 | timeless_xchat | i used it to rotate |
| 17:50.23 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 17:50.36 | rm_work | heh |
| 17:50.40 | MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, is there any plugin that can forward flv files to the mediaplayer? |
| 17:50.47 | MohammadAG | (greasemonkey or otherwise) |
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| 17:52.43 | timeless_xchat | i'm personally lobbying for totem |
| 17:53.04 | timeless_xchat | but you could get your own plugin that works like the nokia media plugin |
| 17:53.17 | MohammadAG | well, I have no experience in making FF addons |
| 17:53.28 | MohammadAG | and I'm really bored with having to update scripts to get flv links to the mediaplayer |
| 17:53.32 | timeless_xchat | npapi, not ffaddons |
| 17:53.35 | MohammadAG | totem isn't on the N900 :P |
| 17:53.40 | MohammadAG | npapi? |
| 17:53.45 | timeless_xchat | oh |
| 17:53.47 | timeless_xchat | yeah |
| 17:53.52 | timeless_xchat | netscape plugin api |
| 17:54.02 | MohammadAG | well, that too |
| 17:54.02 | timeless_xchat | supported by opera and others |
| 17:54.08 | timeless_xchat | but... |
| 17:54.14 | MohammadAG | so I'd rather have something to edit instead of code one from scratch |
| 17:54.16 | timeless_xchat | flv isn't a plugin type |
| 17:54.29 | timeless_xchat | you're actually triggering .swf |
| 17:54.37 | MohammadAG | which gets the flv |
| 17:54.43 | timeless_xchat | i'd suggest you look at what real's downloader does |
| 17:55.10 | MohammadAG | or flashblockcss? |
| 17:55.23 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: rtmpdump - sorta |
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| 18:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 18:18.34 | n900evil | yodels. |
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| 18:28.31 | RST38h | http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/924613/000095012311024458/u10545e20vf.htm#X10545110 |
| 18:28.35 | RST38h | Enjoy :) |
| 18:29.33 | ShadowJK | I saw this on theregister yesterday :) |
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| 18:35.13 | MohammadAG | curses 2.6.38 |
| 18:36.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you're right |
| 18:36.09 | MohammadAG | lock_code |
| 18:36.09 | MohammadAG | 12345 |
| 18:36.15 | MohammadAG | ^ on a new device |
| 18:36.42 | RST38h | "We may not have or be able to recruit, retain and motivate appropriately skilled employees to implement successfully the Windows Phone smartphone platform and to work effectively and efficiently with Microsoft and the related ecosystem." |
| 18:36.53 | RST38h | laughs diabolically, eats a toadstool |
| 18:37.08 | javispedro | "For example, our association with the Microsoft brand may impair our current strong market position in China" |
| 18:37.30 | MohammadAG | china? I thought those guys only bought nokla |
| 18:37.51 | javispedro | "The proposed Microsoft partnership may cause dissatisfaction and adversely affect the terms on which we do business with our other partners, mobile operators, distributors and suppliers, or foreclose the ability to do business with new partners, mobile operators, distributors and suppliers. " |
| 18:38.24 | javispedro | and for the paranoid: "We may be required or choose to share with Microsoft personal or consumer data that has been made available to us" |
| 18:38.32 | RST38h | Reading this text, one may assume that "microsoft" is some kind of a deadly virus |
| 18:38.37 | javispedro | combine that with the mynokia/cherry fiasco ;) |
| 18:38.39 | bman | indeed |
| 18:39.37 | javispedro | "Consumers may be more reluctant to provide personal data to us as a result of the proposed Microsoft partnership" lol |
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| 18:40.04 | RST38h | The Windows Phone platform is a very recent, largely unproven addition to the market focused solely on high-end smartphones with currently very low adoption and consumer awareness relative to the Android and Apple platforms, and the proposed Microsoft partnership may not succeed in developing it into a sufficiently broad competitive smartphone platform. |
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| 18:40.31 | javispedro | "We plan to ship a MeeGo-based mobile product later this year. If the market segment that we target with that mobile product does not materialize as expected, or if we fail to develop next-generation platforms, user experiences and mobile products, we may incur operating losses and accordingly not realize a return on our investment in this area. " |
| 18:40.46 | javispedro | ^^^ which "market segment"... ? |
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| 18:41.02 | RST38h | javispedro: geeks! |
| 18:41.16 | RST38h | javispedro: but the wording is really weird there |
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| 18:41.27 | RST38h | "or if we fail to develop next-generation platforms, |
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| 18:41.32 | RST38h | user experiences and mobile products" <=== weird |
| 18:41.48 | ShadowJK | Well... MicroSoft has had like two decades of acting like a big corporation raping the users, they've been throttled back a bit as a result. Nokia's MyNokia and Ovi's undeletable Credit card number database are acting like the big corporation it isn't... so I'd probably feel safer giving my data to microsoft than nokia. Microsoft, Nokia, Google. In that order :-) |
| 18:41.48 | RST38h | So, they still believe they NEED to develop stuff based on Meego |
| 18:41.49 | javispedro | geeks do not fail to materialize ;) |
| 18:41.58 | javispedro | young hypsters, on the other side... |
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| 18:42.11 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Not really |
| 18:42.29 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Microsoft is really lousy about the data it collects |
| 18:42.42 | RST38h | javispedro: hipsters buy iPhone. |
| 18:42.54 | javispedro | "Our management attention in smartphones and in the establishment of the new ecosystem for smartphones with Microsoft may result in less management attention paid to our mobile phones business. " |
| 18:43.10 | RST38h | And whoever these people are, there still was enough of them to make N900 a hit |
| 18:43.40 | RST38h | It is not exactly an iPhone, but most geeks know what it is and crave it |
| 18:44.10 | javispedro | expects to read "a tsunami might hit one of our HQs, therefore impairing our ability to fulfill our deal with the devil..." |
| 18:44.11 | chx | was the N900 a hit? |
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| 18:44.26 | RST38h | "In choosing to adopt Windows Phone as our primary smartphone platform, we may forgo more competitive alternatives achieving greater and faster acceptance in the smartphone market." |
| 18:44.33 | RST38h | chx: yes, according to sales figures |
| 18:44.54 | chx | in that case what moron stopped to follow up on the sucess? *facepalm* |
| 18:45.13 | RST38h | javispedro: This should read "If tsunami hits Mirosoft's HQ, thus impairing our ability to fullfill..." |
| 18:45.39 | ShadowJK | SEC filings are required to be pessimistic :) |
| 18:45.57 | RST38h | chx: Do watch "The Adventures of Baron Munhausen" by Terry Gilliam |
| 18:46.13 | RST38h | chx: It explains what happened at the very beginning |
| 18:46.34 | timeless_w7ip | javispedro: where's this stuff coming from? |
| 18:46.46 | javispedro | sec filling at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/924613/000095012311024458/u10545e20vf.htm#X10545110 |
| 18:46.50 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Oh of course. But it is how directional and concrete this pessimism is... |
| 18:46.54 | timeless_w7ip | ah |
| 18:47.07 | javispedro | *filing : |
| 18:47.08 | javispedro | :P |
| 18:47.11 | MohammadAG | is it me or is Texrat's last message on maemo-community... weird? |
| 18:47.18 | timeless_w7ip | url? |
| 18:47.32 | javispedro | timeless_w7ip: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/924613/000095012311024458/u10545e20vf.htm#X10545110 |
| 18:47.45 | timeless_w7ip | no, for textrat's thing |
| 18:47.57 | timeless_w7ip | s/tr/r/ |
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| 18:49.37 | javispedro | RST38h: chx: funnily enough, the N900 itself is one of the few phones mentioned in the text. |
| 18:50.04 | javispedro | (and I am yet to find any other nokia phone reference...) |
| 18:50.32 | javispedro | ah yes |
| 18:50.37 | timeless_w7ip | javispedro: it may have been the only phone whose sales weren't in line w/ expectations |
| 18:50.45 | chx | N8 is mentioned |
| 18:50.53 | javispedro | there's the C7 C6 E7 N8 mentioned at environment stuff |
| 18:51.01 | timeless_w7ip | environment? |
| 18:51.13 | javispedro | green manufacture, etc. |
| 18:51.28 | javispedro | "Our latest smartphone models—the Nokia C7, Nokia C6-01, Nokia E7 and Nokia N8—represent an important step in making our product portfolio more environmentally friendly, in that they make use of renewable and recycled materials such as bio-paints, bio-plastics and recycled metals. The Nokia C7 is the industry’s first mobile device to use bio paints and ..." |
| 18:52.01 | RST38h | investors don't care about that |
| 18:52.30 | timeless_w7ip | rst: some investers do strange investment strategies |
| 18:52.42 | timeless_w7ip | e.g. dumping stocks over environmental policy |
| 18:52.42 | bman | i got a eco friendly phone |
| 18:52.58 | bman | lg remarq |
| 18:53.11 | bman | made with mostly recycled materials |
| 18:53.18 | bman | including the packaging |
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| 18:56.52 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/15/nokia-collects-design-patent-for-tablet-evokes-n8-aesthetics/ |
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| 19:02.12 | javispedro | still doesn't get the tablet craze. |
| 19:03.18 | MohammadAG | iPad |
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| 19:07.47 | javispedro | is actually for some reason doing objc development at the moment ;) |
| 19:08.26 | javispedro | or should I say smalltalkC. |
| 19:15.48 | njsf | and people bitch about C++ |
| 19:15.56 | njsf | obj-C is such a bolt-on |
| 19:16.09 | njsf | completely foreign syntax to a C coder |
| 19:16.32 | njsf | only thing that is good is the complete separation of interface / implementation |
| 19:17.00 | njsf | as in you can implement more methods on the obj-c class than you declare on its interface |
| 19:17.10 | njsf | without having to spell it out fully on the header file |
| 19:17.36 | njsf | that alone is a boon for maintenability and containment of recompile |
| 19:17.51 | javispedro | you still have to declare ivars on the interface... |
| 19:17.56 | jaska | the syntax makes me hurl |
| 19:18.01 | timeless_w7ip | have you guys seen Obj-C++ ? :) |
| 19:18.17 | RST38h | yawns and goes over email |
| 19:19.05 | njsf | RST38h: I'll take a nap :) |
| 19:19.27 | javispedro | timeless_w7ip: spectacular is what happens when you try to merge both, as, apart from both reinventing OO, both have some kind of exception support, runtime type information, etc. |
| 19:20.10 | MohammadAG | timeless_w7ip, seriously? :P |
| 19:20.18 | kerio | njsf: it's not necessarily bad though |
| 19:20.27 | kerio | (the very different syntax from C) |
| 19:20.38 | javispedro | you can bet that for ex. on a C++ calling delete on a ObjC class won't do what you think, and that adding a class with a destructor inside a objc class won't cause the c++ destructor to be invoked.. |
| 19:20.57 | kerio | they're both bad ideas anyway |
| 19:21.03 | RST38h | javispedro: will be abomination either way |
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| 19:22.06 | njsf | kerio: Well it does make it feel a bolt |
| 19:23.33 | ShadowJK | hildon desktop crashed at some point |
| 19:23.53 | kerio | can objc be checked, at least? |
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| 19:25.17 | MohammadAG | does anyone know what the metal hook-like piece on the inside of the battery cover is? |
| 19:25.32 | anapospastos | hi guys, any idea about this? http://pastebin.com/ZcxrMPea |
| 19:26.31 | javispedro | fun. |
| 19:27.02 | javispedro | but you're probably on a wrong channel.. |
| 19:28.22 | anapospastos | oh yes |
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| 19:31.58 | bman | MohammadAG, what device? |
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| 19:32.13 | MohammadAG | N900 |
| 19:32.18 | ShadowJK | ah, killall hildon-status-menu fixed |
| 19:32.41 | RST38h | btw how do I reload the cpu load meter that crashed? |
| 19:33.02 | bman | cant help then, but on n800 there is a piece that shields the sd card |
| 19:33.16 | MohammadAG | killall |
| 19:33.28 | MohammadAG | if it didn't bring it back, killall again |
| 19:33.39 | MohammadAG | (status menu goes in safe mode sometimes) |
| 19:33.52 | RST38h | you mean killingall status menu? |
| 19:34.31 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 19:34.41 | MohammadAG | brb, swapping batts |
| 19:37.34 | bman | show me a pic MohammadAG |
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| 20:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-12.log.html#t2011-03-12T06:57:06 ((DocScrutinizer: duh, now 5 coremelts pending)) Shit, I hate to say it, but seems they now accepted maybe ALL 6 blocks at FUKU-I do whatever an unattended unmaintained reactor likes to do. I.E now 6 pending |
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| 20:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | maybe #5 and #6 are so much chilled down (cold shutdown) so they remain stable even without any maintenance/cooling |
| 20:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | but that's all but clear right now |
| 20:08.26 | anidel | for some reason if I put my device on a flat surface, the MCE reports it a in "portrait" mode (albeit no "rotate" signal has been emitted via DBUS ) :( |
| 20:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | coremelts on #1..#3 are a safe bet now however |
| 20:08.35 | anidel | anyone knows a workaround? |
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| 20:09.21 | chx | wow the accident got upgraded to SIX? |
| 20:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | anidel: strange. Try removing battery for some seconds. Sometimes LIS302 accelerometer chip gets decalibrated |
| 20:10.03 | anidel | no it doesn't happen to me only... |
| 20:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | anidel: oh, sorry then. No idea |
| 20:10.32 | anidel | thanks anyway :) |
| 20:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | anidel: thanks to the camera hump? |
| 20:11.14 | anidel | mmm |
| 20:11.18 | anidel | let's see |
| 20:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: that'd be really bad |
| 20:12.08 | anidel | no, and that only happens when I put the device in portrait mode (so Xournal rotates to Portrait) and then put it flat.. |
| 20:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | there should be a dead zone that doesn't trigger orientation changes until screen surface at least at 45° from flat |
| 20:12.20 | anidel | at that point, if I read the orientation, it returns "portrait" |
| 20:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | anidel: so that's absolutely OK |
| 20:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | it technically is |
| 20:12.46 | anidel | but no signal has been sent.. so the UI is portrait, but the item I'm going to show after the reading is the landscape one (a toolbar) |
| 20:13.00 | anidel | sorry.. I was wrong.. it reports "landscape" |
| 20:14.23 | anidel | one workaround I have is to store the orientation when the DBUS signal arrives...and don't read it from the MCE anymore |
| 20:14.27 | anidel | but.. it's a workaround :P) |
| 20:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, sounds like you're comparing the actually real physical orientation of device as reported by some sensor, to the X orientation that stays in portrait when you turn the device flat from physical upright portrait |
| 20:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | apps mustn't read out sensor to get orientation, the must use the means that are provided via X or whatever |
| 20:16.35 | anidel | I'm asking the MCE for MCE_DEVICE_ORIENTATION_GET |
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| 20:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | as long as it's about display orientation |
| 20:16.45 | anidel | if the UI is in portrait, it should return the same |
| 20:17.11 | anidel | that is true, but that is what the official Maemo Documentation told us developers.. Conboy and others do the same.. |
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| 20:17.49 | anidel | Conboy stores the orientation and relies on that.. I do read the MCE after the DBUS signal has been sent, it should have been the same.. either is a bug or something else |
| 20:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | MCE_DEVICE_ORIENTATION_GET sounds like PHYSICAL device orientation, which obviously isn't always identical to screen or display rotation/orientation |
| 20:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's a bug in how you use, and interpret the semantics of, some signals |
| 20:19.01 | anidel | true in most case, but it DOES know that the devices is flat on the ground.. so it shouldn't report "landscape" when it doesn't know it |
| 20:19.20 | anidel | actually.. hang on |
| 20:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | actually it should report FALT |
| 20:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | FLAT |
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| 20:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | which basically is neither LANDSCAPE nor PORTRAIT |
| 20:20.18 | anidel | ah! it may be my bug after all! I'm comparing what it returns against "portrait"... and I am assuming (as it is different) than that it is in landscape! |
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| 20:20.26 | anidel | I'll check what is actually returning... |
| 20:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | but as mentioned above, that's absolutely deprecated for deciding which display orientation to use |
| 20:20.35 | anidel | thanks Doc.. that opened my eyes |
| 20:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 20:21.03 | anidel | well it is not.. if in that case it reports like "unknown" that it is fine... |
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| 20:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | but please pretty please ask MohammadAG about which X flag to query about orientation, instead of talking to MCE |
| 20:21.34 | anidel | it's just me that I was only dealing with "portrait"/"landscape" ignoring it knows also "flat" or "face down" |
| 20:22.25 | anidel | as you said.. it should report FLAT or FACE UP or similar.. as said, it's my error in assuming that != "portrait" then is "landscape".. not MCE's fault. |
| 20:23.30 | pupnik | my speakers are VMPS RM/2 |
| 20:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | it's your error to talk to MCE at all, rather than ask X orientation of display, which might get locked to portrait even when device is objectively in a landscape position, and vice versa |
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| 20:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | as said before: |
| 20:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | but please pretty please ask MohammadAG about which X flag to query about orientation, instead of talking to MCE |
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| 20:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | as long as your app isn't a spirit-level or s stepcounter or the like, it MUST NOT talk to mce about physical device orientation |
| 20:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~2119 |
| 20:25.53 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 20:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | especially display orientation got NOTHING to deal with accelerometer readings as of mce. Screen orientation is an abstract thing you have to read out from X |
| 20:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | please ask MohammadAG about it, as he's dealing with general portrait support in maemo now, for CSSU |
| 20:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for your attention |
| 20:30.13 | MohammadAG | for Gtk, use Gdk screen size-changed signal |
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| 20:30.51 | MohammadAG | for Qt, resized(int) from QDesktopWidget |
| 20:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | thank you, MohammadAG |
| 20:31.31 | trx | if width>height then horizontal |
| 20:31.37 | MohammadAG | yep |
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| 20:32.57 | anidel | I know what MUST NOT mean. that was what available at that time. I work and have little time. My app already uses MCE for that. I'll fix the issue. I promise to look at listening to Gdk screen size-changed events and if it does not require much time I'll implement it that way. Promise. But if it requires time, no matter how people scream I will not change the code. Sorry. But I am looking at it right now. |
| 20:33.18 | trx | ? |
| 20:33.39 | trx | you check your main form's width and height |
| 20:33.46 | trx | whats takes time? |
| 20:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | anidel: then your app will break, as it is faking portrait on a supposed landscape display, that in fact got resized to portrait |
| 20:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | or any other permutation of the states not matching |
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| 20:36.54 | anidel | I'm not faking anything... I'm using (now) these orientation states from the McE: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mce-dev/dbus-names_8h.html |
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| 20:37.41 | trx | anidel you really dont need them, thats what he is trying to explain |
| 20:37.53 | anidel | I am no stupid :) I understood that. |
| 20:38.06 | anidel | But the change may take too long and I simply may not have time to do it. |
| 20:38.13 | trx | you simply see if your app's width > height = horizontal |
| 20:38.41 | trx | thats my sugesstion, take it or leave it :) |
| 20:38.59 | Spydemon | hey all :-) |
| 20:38.59 | anidel | I'm not complaining about suggestions :) I accept them |
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| 20:39.09 | anidel | I know and understand I should do that.. that is clear. |
| 20:39.27 | trx | ok then :) |
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| 20:39.41 | anidel | but I think the MCE is used to detect for example if the devices if facing down or app |
| 20:39.45 | Spydemon | i've buy a n900 today x) |
| 20:40.17 | trx | then you arent looking for current orientation of the application but the device's rotation xyz |
| 20:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | we're happy to include your app to the list of broken apps that mustn't get switched to portrait by standard means as they want to mess around with it by themselves. We got a few of those already. All of those also don't benefit from orientation lock implemented in newest CSSU |
| 20:40.26 | anidel | so.. all I am saying, is that MCE is still reliable... not the perfect solution, I know and I'll try to change... |
| 20:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | mce is simply plain WRONG and not 'reliable' for this particular purpose |
| 20:43.05 | anidel | Doc I appreciate what you're trying to do. A lot. But I've never appreciated your tone. Again "happy to include your app to the list of broken apps" is a tone I don't like. As I am happy to leave Xournal in that list if the change requires too much of my little time. |
| 20:43.50 | DocScrutinizer | basically you're looking out the window for blue sky to decide if you need warm clothes, rather than to watch the outside thermometer which would be the right thing |
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| 20:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | sorry if my "tone" doesn't match your sensible demands and rules. It's not offensive in any way, it's just facts |
| 20:45.52 | anidel | and as usual you don't listen. I said I UNDERSTAND perfectly what you are saying. I UNDERSTAND my app is broken, I UNDERSTAND and APPRECIATE you're trying to fix the status. But simply don't listen to WHY I MAY not do it. You don't accept it. And your tone goes way off. I don't like that. Didn't like it last time, don't like it now. |
| 20:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | we need such a list anyway, and we got no problem with your app included n that list (= "we're happy") |
| 20:46.21 | anidel | I'm fine with that as well. |
| 20:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | so ok, we got that sorted. no bad feelings |
| 20:46.41 | anidel | none |
| 20:46.52 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: when you say things that way it comes off as antagonizing / snyde |
| 20:46.57 | rm_work | throws himself in front of the bus |
| 20:47.21 | rm_work | not that I'm not guilty of doing it a lot... that's how i recognize it :P |
| 20:47.41 | MohammadAG | listening for raw mce without backing it up womething else is bad |
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| 20:48.20 | anidel | again and last time: I am NOT saying that I am happy to listening to it. I know that is wrong. Is that clear? |
| 20:48.32 | anidel | to it = to mce |
| 20:48.49 | MohammadAG | ok... |
| 20:49.15 | rm_work | just ask someone to submit a patch :) maybe someone else is looking for something to do |
| 20:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work: hey. |
| 20:49.18 | rm_work | sup GA |
| 20:49.45 | anidel | is it that difficult, also, to understand I work onXournal of very little spare time? = I may not have time to dig into this. Simple. You still keep the app in the bad list, fine...but why point it out? threaten ? or what? |
| 20:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | Things I learned today: You pay the ridiculous amount of money for 1st-party lens hoods because they don't go crooked on you without your noticing. |
| 20:50.08 | anidel | it's open source.. the source is on gitorius and patches are more than welcome |
| 20:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | anidel: I wouldn't get worked up over it. ;) |
| 20:51.57 | anidel | action and reaction.. if I react that way, there is a reason. With all the good will in fixing this in Xournal, when I read some words and perceive a tone, I react that way. Sorry, he is like that, I am like that...no bad feeling, things end here. |
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| 20:52.24 | GeneralAntilles | anidel: oh, I don't disagree. It's just not worth the energy. |
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| 20:52.57 | rm_work | yeah, there's a lot of people here you really just have to ignore most of the time :P |
| 20:53.02 | anidel | why not? he's right that Xournal is broken. He's wrong in the way he seems to *force* people in doing what is (actually) correct. |
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| 20:53.56 | anidel | I don't want to ignore his suggestion.. it's more than valid and fine. It's only the way he delivers it |
| 20:54.20 | rm_work | yeah, but there are other people telling you the same thing, so pay attention to them and ignore him. problem solved. |
| 20:54.30 | anidel | but oh well.. spent more time here than I was planning to... back to work. |
| 20:54.36 | rm_work | or ignore me, whichever makes you happier |
| 20:54.38 | anidel | :p |
| 20:54.50 | anidel | I'm going to ignore the whole channel for now :) bye and thanks |
| 20:55.04 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: yeah sometimes buying the real thing is worth it |
| 20:55.15 | GeneralAntilles | anidel: later. |
| 20:55.26 | rm_work | honestly i do that more than not these days... i think on average i save money that way from less re-buying |
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| 20:55.51 | GeneralAntilles | Still, $7.95 versus $45 was hard to swallow for a piece of plastic. |
| 20:56.00 | rm_work | yeah >_> |
| 20:56.09 | rm_work | i guess in that case at least it was cheap enough that it doesn't matter |
| 20:56.27 | rm_work | when it's less than 25% price difference is when it sucks to guess wrong |
| 20:57.00 | GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, I'm usually not one for the cheap knockoff method. |
| 20:57.02 | rm_work | like on computer parts |
| 20:57.31 | rm_work | like, hrm, an ASUS is $20 more than an ECS board, and the ECS is going to cost me $100 |
| 20:57.36 | rm_work | I think I'll go for the ASUS :P |
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| 21:01.10 | rm_work | been trying to track down a blue 2010/2011 Lancer Ralliart for a while now |
| 21:01.13 | rm_work | fricking impossible |
| 21:01.28 | rm_work | I found a red 2010... |
| 21:01.42 | rm_work | red = 5 tickets/year |
| 21:01.50 | rm_work | can't do that anymore |
| 21:01.59 | rm_work | blue is the answer :P |
| 21:02.30 | rm_work | there's like five of them in the whole US i think.... |
| 21:02.50 | rm_work | (for sale, that is... and i think one sold last week which brings it to four) |
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| 21:05.28 | SpeedEvil | passes rm_work a can of cyan emulsion. |
| 21:05.34 | rm_work | lol |
| 21:05.57 | rm_work | I guess I could go get a paintjob but damn it feels painful to go immediately paint over the factory paintjob of a brand new car >_> |
| 21:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs. Humans and their sensible feelings. oh my |
| 21:06.41 | rm_work | well, the other problem being that it's expensive to paint properly >_> |
| 21:06.44 | lolcat | Can the n900 act as a bluetooth headset? |
| 21:06.52 | rm_work | errr |
| 21:06.55 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work: why blue? |
| 21:06.56 | rm_work | don't think so |
| 21:07.27 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work: and why the hell would you want a nasty double-cluck flappy paddles? |
| 21:07.33 | lolcat | I need one for my ps3 and the nokia one has crap battery life |
| 21:07.41 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: the blue is sooooo pretty, it makes me get all girly and giddy >_> |
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| 21:07.51 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: lol @ paddles |
| 21:07.56 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously. |
| 21:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | If there's no clutch pedal, then GTFO. |
| 21:08.28 | rm_work | the paddles are fairly lulz, but it's going to be for commuting, honestly I would have been ok with just straight auto :P |
| 21:08.50 | rm_work | but it's the best of both because it's a manual that shifts super-fast and super-accurately |
| 21:09.29 | rm_work | yay for TC-SST |
| 21:10.12 | rm_work | and has auto mode for when i'm trying to drive in stop-and-go traffic while eating a sandwich :P |
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| 21:10.22 | rm_work | mmmm sandwich |
| 21:10.56 | rm_work | I could get an EvoX I suppose |
| 21:11.15 | rm_work | but honestly rather just have the SST in the ralliart |
| 21:14.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's not the best of both. |
| 21:14.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's the worst. |
| 21:14.09 | GeneralAntilles | You don't get nearly the control you would with a clutch. |
| 21:14.11 | GeneralAntilles | Nor the fun. |
| 21:14.14 | rm_work | lol |
| 21:14.21 | GeneralAntilles | EvoX is what I would go for. :P |
| 21:14.28 | GeneralAntilles | Even Top Gear loved that car. |
| 21:14.31 | rm_work | nearly the control? how about, i tell it to be a manual and i tell it when to shift? is that not control? lol |
| 21:14.36 | rm_work | yeah, i saw that vs the STI |
| 21:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | No clutch, no real control. |
| 21:14.59 | rm_work | erm |
| 21:15.02 | rm_work | it's not a slushbox BTW |
| 21:15.14 | rm_work | it does have a clutch, just no clutch pedal |
| 21:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know what a double-clutch system is. |
| 21:15.30 | GeneralAntilles | But if robots are controlling it instead of your left foot, well. :) |
| 21:15.36 | rm_work | lol |
| 21:15.45 | rm_work | then... it's better? faster? more accurate? :P |
| 21:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | Less fun, more pedestrian. |
| 21:16.09 | rm_work | in what way a robot is worse than a human at simple mechnanical tasks, i have yet to see |
| 21:16.14 | rm_work | lol |
| 21:16.19 | rm_work | how is that less control |
| 21:16.29 | rm_work | you're just unhappy cause you can't do the cool shify motion with your foot :P |
| 21:16.42 | GeneralAntilles | A robot clutch is basically either off or on. |
| 21:16.48 | GeneralAntilles | You don't get any of the degrees in between. |
| 21:17.24 | RST38h | My left foot has better things to do than controlling the damn clutch. |
| 21:17.35 | RST38h | So, automatic transmission it is. |
| 21:17.51 | GeneralAntilles | Mine doesn't. |
| 21:17.55 | javispedro | heh |
| 21:17.55 | GeneralAntilles | I don't like being bored while driving. |
| 21:17.59 | javispedro | interesting discussion. |
| 21:18.14 | javispedro | It's hard to find automatic transmission fans around. |
| 21:18.21 | RST38h | General: Then listen to NPR! |
| 21:18.27 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
| 21:18.33 | rm_work | I'm usually not bored... I'm usually too busy eating a sandwich. and yes, listening to NPR actually >_> |
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| 21:19.01 | rm_work | I'd say roughly 1/3 of my time spent in my car is also spent simultaneously eating a sandwich of some kind |
| 21:19.04 | rm_work | I love sandwiches |
| 21:19.09 | Corsac | RST38h: what better things to do your left foot has? |
| 21:19.14 | Corsac | wait, no, don't answer that |
| 21:19.26 | RST38h | Corsac: it's classified. |
| 21:19.52 | rm_work | eating a sandwich while shifting is... difficult, and can lead to calamitous loss of sandwich |
| 21:19.57 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h: ugh. |
| 21:20.18 | GeneralAntilles | My commute is never interrupted by much traffic. |
| 21:20.28 | RST38h | lucky... |
| 21:20.33 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work: that's one reason I don't eat in the car. |
| 21:20.36 | rm_work | i spend most of my time sitting at lights or in stop-go on the freeway |
| 21:20.40 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h: yes, I don't live in hell. ;) |
| 21:20.45 | GeneralAntilles | Same @rm_work. :P |
| 21:20.50 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: well then you're missing out on delicious sandwiches :P |
| 21:21.00 | GuySoft | hey all, would the GPS work on mameo on the debian chroot? |
| 21:21.07 | RST38h | By this measure, hell is just about everywhere |
| 21:21.09 | GuySoft | i am trying to find a way to run foursquare on an N810 |
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| 21:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work: nah, I eat those from the comfort of a real chair and table after my 4-7 minute commute. ;) |
| 21:21.29 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: T_T |
| 21:21.48 | rm_work | GuySoft: I assume you could bind the gps device |
| 21:22.04 | rm_work | the same way you bind /proc and /sys usually |
| 21:22.08 | Arkenoi | No latest Angry Birds level packs for us anymore? |
| 21:22.24 | ThreeM | overrated game |
| 21:22.28 | RST38h | not unless you pirate android ones and make them work on n900 |
| 21:22.31 | rm_work | I never got the Ovi Store to let me log in on my n900 so no angry birds for me at all :( |
| 21:23.45 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: well, I *could* buy an evo... I think they actually *had* a blue evo for sale |
| 21:24.05 | rm_work | not too much more expensive, but I actually prefer the SST |
| 21:24.10 | javispedro | GuySoft: which maemo version? |
| 21:24.51 | rm_work | javispedro: if it has a node in /dev he can just bind it into the chroot, no? |
| 21:24.51 | javispedro | if it's n810, then gpsd (stock) might provide a port which outputs plain nmea, but I don't remember which one :D |
| 21:25.11 | javispedro | mostly, not on any maemo version so far. |
| 21:25.34 | javispedro | diablo/n810: not because the dev node emits an unknown format, |
| 21:25.47 | javispedro | fremantle/n900: not because there's no dev node at all, just some socket. |
| 21:25.50 | rm_work | ah, blegh |
| 21:26.04 | rm_work | socket to filepipe -> bind? :P |
| 21:26.13 | javispedro | harmattan/n9: not because it doesn't exist. |
| 21:26.17 | rm_work | should be easy to write i'd think |
| 21:26.17 | rm_work | rofl |
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| 21:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work: too bad. |
| 21:26.42 | javispedro | on n900 you can use columbus or the like to get a nmea stream, then do whatever you want with it. |
| 21:27.03 | rm_work | there's a debian app for Foursquare? |
| 21:27.23 | rm_work | GuySoft: is the foursquare app OSS? can you just port it to Maemo? |
| 21:30.51 | pupnik | a lot of people shouldn't breed |
| 21:31.44 | ds3 | pupnik: offering free tickets to japan for them? :D |
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| 21:48.16 | Arkenoi | wonders why there is conboy for maemo and no desktop version |
| 21:50.38 | RST38h | you still have desktop? =) |
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| 22:11.38 | SpeedEvil | Who wrote khweetur? |
| 22:11.41 | SpeedEvil | forgot. |
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| 22:16.42 | RST38h | Khertan did |
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| 22:17.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:18.08 | Venemo | ZogG, ping |
| 22:21.04 | pupnik | wish i had all you guys in my hometown |
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| 22:27.04 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Where are you, I forget. |
| 22:27.28 | pupnik | germany, near frankfurt |
| 22:27.59 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
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| 22:28.12 | SpeedEvil | Fife, Scotland here. |
| 22:28.34 | pupnik | is there some nice scenery nearby? |
| 22:29.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, so not too far from 49.45 11.05 |
| 22:29.53 | pupnik | the maemo conference was nice |
| 22:30.20 | pupnik | was nice to meet nokians |
| 22:30.27 | pupnik | good folks |
| 22:30.28 | Venemo | this is so annoying, Media Player fails to detect some of my metadata |
| 22:30.42 | RST38h | happens |
| 22:30.59 | pupnik | i shouldn't have slept in my car though |
| 22:31.13 | Venemo | pupnik, what conference was that? |
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| 22:31.20 | pupnik | you can overdo it with the money-saving |
| 22:31.22 | pupnik | 2009 |
| 22:31.30 | phap | I know this Venemo it's quite boring |
| 22:31.52 | Venemo | phap, do you know a solution? |
| 22:32.16 | phap | Unfortunaltly not I switched to Someplayer |
| 22:32.53 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Glenrothes,+Fife,+United+Kingdom&ll=56.215314,-3.112521&spn=0.004558,0.008669&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=56.215916,-3.113197&panoid=ph1ycR8bGHGH3iNB37f2wQ&cbp=12,265.83,,0,-2.24 is nearby |
| 22:32.54 | phap | I love Media player if it was not for this art problem |
| 22:33.13 | SpeedEvil | Does streetview work on microB |
| 22:33.13 | pupnik | oh now i remember SpeedEvil |
| 22:33.16 | SpeedEvil | never tried it. |
| 22:33.24 | pupnik | good work with your house |
| 22:33.42 | RST38h | I think it does, just barely |
| 22:33.46 | SpeedEvil | Just had a _massive_ pile of insulation delivered. |
| 22:33.52 | SpeedEvil | 8m^3 |
| 22:34.01 | SpeedEvil | Which should enable me to make a proper start. |
| 22:34.04 | pupnik | need a hand? |
| 22:34.16 | SpeedEvil | I need to work out what I'm doing first. |
| 22:34.18 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:34.37 | pupnik | i have a lot to do as well but it's hard to get going |
| 22:34.42 | SpeedEvil | There are some possible state funded options that I need to investigate first. |
| 22:34.57 | SpeedEvil | In some ways I'd prefer to DIY - but it's a hell of a lot of work. |
| 22:35.02 | pupnik | orchards are nice |
| 22:35.19 | pupnik | someone will appreciate them who you never meet |
| 22:35.49 | ZogG | Venemo pomg |
| 22:36.32 | pupnik | unless some jerk comes and buldozes your trees |
| 22:43.08 | Sc0rpius | so have you read the Maemo Council candidates list? |
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| 23:04.46 | Arkenoi | what does "arapp" do? claims to be augmented reality app but does not seem to do anything |
| 23:08.25 | SpeedEvil | Maybe it's for superimposing pictures of pirates on your world? |
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| 23:17.54 | ThreeM | can i took the libflash.so from another arm smartphone to work on the n900? |
| 23:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | so who's extinguishing the fire this time? Or does anybody at all? |
| 23:21.51 | lcuk | which fire? |
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| 23:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: block4 on fire again |
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| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | this morning allegedly a special force of US military extinguished it. But seems they (tepco 50 dudes remaining personal at site) didn't manage to get cooling of chillout pool back to working order |
| 23:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | so it ignited again |
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| 23:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | (it seems == my take on it. Except for "fire again" and "used fuel rods in chillout pool at #4 caught fire this morning" it's mere handwaving and entirely 'made up' by me) |
| 23:51.57 | ThreeM | the fire on reaktor is off |
| 23:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | again? |
| 23:52.18 | ThreeM | mom looking for timestamp |
| 23:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a seconf fire reported like 3h ago |
| 23:52.45 | ThreeM | 00:36 met |
| 23:52.58 | ThreeM | so its 20 min old |
| 23:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | oh, good |
| 23:53.27 | ThreeM | looks like the fire has just turn off. |
| 23:53.35 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if the fire is a zirconia-air fire |
| 23:53.45 | SpeedEvil | Or if it's some other random stuff. |
| 23:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Zircalloy, rather. |
| 23:54.02 | ThreeM | i beleve its other randrom stuff from the building |
| 23:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | that's zirconia-oxide so unlikely it is set on fire |
| 23:54.21 | SpeedEvil | yeah - not the oxide, the metal clad |
| 23:54.56 | ThreeM | not the nuklearsticks itself (how they are called in english?) |
| 23:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | fuel rods |
| 23:55.16 | ThreeM | thx |
| 23:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 23:55.59 | ThreeM | i think the fuel rods has fired up parts from the building. after the explosion. |
| 23:56.09 | ThreeM | but we are all no experts :( |
| 23:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | seems nobody is atm |
| 23:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | esp when it comes to details of situation at site |
| 23:57.24 | SpeedEvil | hopes it's boring from here on in. |
| 23:57.40 | SpeedEvil | wants more nukes in the UK. |
| 23:57.44 | ThreeM | i hope they can prevent the fallout |
| 23:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | last I heard is the pool is running short of cooling water, so the rods started to heat up. And they tried to fill the pool with pumps and/or via helicopers dropping water, which didn't pan out |
| 23:58.31 | SpeedEvil | The current amount of emitted radiation is apparantly hazerdous if you're right at the plant gates. |
| 23:58.57 | SpeedEvil | It's not going to be dangerous in a few days due to decay times, or at any distance at all. |
| 23:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you get like 400 times an allowable year dosage in 1 hour there |
| 23:59.25 | ThreeM | take some steaks with you |
| 23:59.25 | SpeedEvil | (if stuff stays the same, and if the figures reported are accurate) |
| 23:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | the figures reported are bogus mostly |