| 00:00.13 | SpeedEvil | Possibly smartreflex |
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| 00:01.14 | dangergrrl | <3 flasher |
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| 00:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | well, I2C1 aka I2C_CNTL == GAIA next to SmartReflex |
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| 00:13.26 | phap | hi |
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| 00:20.02 | SpeedEvil | One important thing to realise about interrupts is that you absolutely don't care about 99.9% of reported ones. |
| 00:20.34 | SpeedEvil | For example, if an interrupt happens whentheCPUis awake, or pait of a rapid interrupt train - there are almost no powerimplications. |
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| 00:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 00:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | with OMAP zero clock design, there's even little to worry about when IRQs happen during >=C4 |
| 00:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | as only the needed blocks will power up, with minimal penalty for transition to C0 and back to "idle" |
| 00:42.51 | dangergrrl | does aptitude work on n900? |
| 00:43.14 | dangergrrl | for installing maemo stuff, not debian btw |
| 00:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | IRQs are really bad on designs like S3C2442 based Freerunner, which does a suspend to ram for idle mode, which takes 3..4 eternities, compared to wake from C4 of OMAP |
| 00:52.12 | dangergrrl | i really would prefer to delude myself with the idea that hardware is magic for the present moment |
| 00:52.48 | dangergrrl | and yes i can read a databook and write a device driver |
| 00:52.54 | dangergrrl | but it hurts thinking about it |
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| 01:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: hardware *IS* magic, courtesy of us EE |
| 01:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 01:02.54 | divan | Where are desktop configuration (icons, widgets, position/placement, etc) is stored? |
| 01:03.27 | divan | s/is // |
| 01:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | oh well |
| 01:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | several places |
| 01:03.59 | divan | I need icons and widgets |
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| 01:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | icons as in pictures are somewhere in /usr/share/icons |
| 01:05.41 | divan | DocScrutinizer, no I mean shortcuts, currently placed on the desktop. |
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| 01:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | -> /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins (maybe) |
| 01:11.02 | divan | DocScrutinizer, thanks! It contains widgets. Must be separate file for contacts/shortcuts.. |
| 01:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.34 | divan | /etc/hildon-desktop is the global configuration, I've already searched it. |
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| 01:30.58 | dangergrrl | yeah well i'm an embedded systems and kernel girl |
| 01:31.15 | dangergrrl | hardware is just hard work to make work |
| 01:31.23 | dangergrrl | and the datasheets are always wrong |
| 01:40.52 | gregoa | dangergrrl: aptitude works on the command line, the GUI segfaults |
| 01:42.21 | dangergrrl | oh |
| 01:42.30 | dangergrrl | i want the command line |
| 01:42.45 | dangergrrl | though i don't remember how to use aptitude |
| 01:42.53 | dangergrrl | i remember it has help |
| 01:43.06 | dangergrrl | and i can run in in ssh in a nice big xterm |
| 01:43.21 | dangergrrl | i (needlessly) flashed |
| 01:43.32 | dangergrrl | and have to reinstall all my apps |
| 01:43.58 | dangergrrl | if you corrupt your boot scripts |
| 01:44.27 | dangergrrl | you can get a shell from the meego initrd image |
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| 02:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: umm, AIUI you need my nano-aptitude script from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Miniwrapper for apt-get logs |
| 02:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is /etc/systemui/cell-modem-ui.xml ? |
| 02:14.20 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: what's up? |
| 02:14.39 | DocScrutinizer | maemo blows chunks |
| 02:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | wiki.m.o >>Warning: pg_connect() [function.pg-connect]: Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server... |
| 02:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/fremantle-sdk-testing/?root=maemoexamples "server rejected connect" |
| 02:15.49 | villager | DocScrutinizer: that's from an app in extras you've probably installed... the system menu to turn the cell modem off |
| 02:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | authentication fails as well |
| 02:16.14 | tybollt | Well cheer up laddy Nokia's gone all in to bring us that awesome new OS Meego... oh wait... |
| 02:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | villager: thanks |
| 02:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: or is it fixed meanwhile ? :-D |
| 02:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | oh well, seems it "fixed itself" |
| 02:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | or loadbalancer has mixed me to another box ;-P |
| 02:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | muxed even |
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| 02:25.01 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: too bad X-Fade's always busy these days. |
| 02:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | he must appoint a proxy |
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| 02:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | moin lcukn900 |
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| 02:56.17 | lcuk | \o doc |
| 02:56.39 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, was playing lemmings today on an Amiga |
| 02:56.45 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110312_024.jpg |
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| 03:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | *sob* |
| 03:11.58 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it was fun, I saved 95% of them :D |
| 03:12.16 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110312_025.jpg |
| 03:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it was. Amiga1000 was the best IT time of my life |
| 03:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | wait, is taht an original Amiga monitor? :-O |
| 03:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | 1081? |
| 03:14.26 | lcuk | I believe so DocScrutinizer |
| 03:14.39 | DocScrutinizer | or is my memory fooling me |
| 03:15.08 | lcuk | #Playable #ZXSpectrum #Amiga #C64 #BBCMICRO #Archimedes and many more at #Manchester #MOSI Family Telecomms weekend! #Lemmings #awesome http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/46647684207087616 |
| 03:15.17 | lcuk | hold on, I can get a better shot I think |
| 03:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=847 |
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| 03:19.45 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110312_014.jpg |
| 03:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | I "tuned" that one with a 6V~ transformer and a 10R 2W potentiometer, plus a relay, to preheat the CRT and get instant on when pushing the powerbutton |
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| 03:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | as it took so incredibly long to heat up without that |
| 03:21.17 | lcuk | i had an analog tv for the longest time through a demodulator thingie |
| 03:21.47 | lcuk | when I saw that today, I peeked round the back to see if the hunk of sheer odd design was in place |
| 03:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I used the 1081 for TV with the tuner of a VCR |
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| 03:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | was quite convenient to switch between SCART and CVBS |
| 03:22.59 | Guest40473 | could someone lend a hand troubleshooting this n810 video hardware |
| 03:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 03:23.25 | Guest40473 | i am fairly certain if i totally depower the device, then boot it will work again |
| 03:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | no idea what'S N8100 video hw though |
| 03:23.35 | Guest40473 | but i'd like to establish why this keeps happening |
| 03:23.48 | lcuk | Guest40473, I used to use my n810 camera routinely |
| 03:23.58 | Guest40473 | dmesg does not have much valuable output, and i dont see any kernel processes using much cpu on top |
| 03:24.01 | Guest40473 | it is the screen |
| 03:24.04 | lcuk | only on very very rare occasions would it do strange stuff |
| 03:24.17 | Guest40473 | i was playing vgba, when the screen suddenly began to fade to white |
| 03:24.17 | lcuk | explain your problem then |
| 03:24.22 | Guest40473 | with vertical colored lines |
| 03:24.41 | Guest40473 | if i tap, the backlight comes on |
| 03:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, FPC |
| 03:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | or B2B-connector loose |
| 03:25.05 | Guest40473 | showing white, mostly with a thin black/teal/yellow line, about every 1/2 cm |
| 03:25.15 | Guest40473 | i can still ssh into the machine, though |
| 03:25.21 | Guest40473 | the system is still running |
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| 03:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, /query PaulFerster, he had exactly same issue with one N810 some time ago. I can't remember if we managed to fix it, and what's been the exact cause |
| 03:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser even |
| 03:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | does it change on open/close slider? |
| 03:27.54 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.00 | pupnik | "do not worry" |
| 03:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | aha!!! |
| 03:28.10 | Guest40473 | well, popping slider turns the backlight on |
| 03:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 03:28.15 | Guest40473 | other then that, no change |
| 03:28.17 | pupnik | lie |
| 03:28.39 | Guest40473 | if i press the lock slider |
| 03:28.43 | pupnik | not everyone is smart i guess |
| 03:28.47 | Guest40473 | i can still see the lines |
| 03:28.59 | Guest40473 | even though the screen should be black/off |
| 03:29.16 | Guest40473 | last time this happened, issuing init 6 did not fix the problem |
| 03:29.25 | Guest40473 | i had to totally depower the device, then boot |
| 03:29.29 | Guest40473 | i feel like |
| 03:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | Guest40473: My guess is it's the flat plastic cable that connects screen to main body |
| 03:29.41 | Guest40473 | the video driver bugs out and places the video hardware |
| 03:29.45 | Guest40473 | in an unrecoverable state |
| 03:29.49 | Guest40473 | yeah? |
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| 03:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | if the box is back up (maybe tomorrow) you can check people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/ - you'll find that cable and the board-to-board connector at the end that also might get loose. Though often the cable itself or the B2B-con soldering breaks |
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| 03:34.26 | Guest40473 | ran an init 6, |
| 03:34.40 | Guest40473 | looking at boot messages to see if the driver complains about the problem |
| 03:35.26 | Guest40473 | during the soft power off the white screen/vertical lines faded so now it's just blank black |
| 03:37.02 | Guest40473 | is there anything else to look for diagnostic msg other then dmesg? |
| 03:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not know of anything that could diagnose the hw problem of the cable |
| 03:38.32 | Guest40473 | i can confirm if the problem is cable-related in a minute |
| 03:38.34 | Guest40473 | but |
| 03:38.47 | Guest40473 | this problem is sporadic, |
| 03:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | query paul, join ##mhd |
| 03:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | to oing him |
| 03:39.52 | Guest40473 | so if i could find some symptom |
| 03:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | ping* |
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| 03:44.51 | kpoman | guys sorry bout my ignorance, but what is emmc ? is it the internal n900 memory ? or the external microsd card ? |
| 03:45.32 | chx | there is a 32gb SD card wired into the N900 as you know |
| 03:45.37 | chx | that's the eMMC (embedded MMC) |
| 03:46.04 | kpoman | ah ok I thought E was for external |
| 03:46.15 | kpoman | do you know something about nitdroid ? |
| 03:46.24 | chx | i'd rather call it internal storage than memory although it's certainly flash memory but not operaitonal memory |
| 03:46.35 | chx | nothing more than you do |
| 03:46.45 | kpoman | ok :p |
| 03:46.46 | pupnik | yes chx - handheld mfgrs are terrible about that |
| 03:46.53 | pupnik | memory/storage |
| 03:47.15 | kpoman | do someone know a bit about nitdroid ? gingerbread etc... ? I want to give it a try ... |
| 03:47.18 | chx | yeah carrying around any device with 32gb of *memory* would blow my socks |
| 03:47.30 | chx | kpoman: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=N900 |
| 03:47.44 | kpoman | yep I saw that page |
| 03:48.36 | chx | my webservers have 32gb in them and even in a server that's a bit untypical |
| 03:48.50 | chx | cant even imagine how would you squeeze 32gb dram in a phone. but i'd buy one :D |
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| 03:49.04 | woldrich | Why would one want to use android on the n900? |
| 03:49.04 | pupnik | how about a foss OSM earth app - 3d world view |
| 03:49.35 | chx | woldrich: well. how about Angry Birds? |
| 03:49.36 | chx | runs |
| 03:49.47 | woldrich | chx, what? |
| 03:49.54 | pupnik | angry birds was designed on maemo |
| 03:49.58 | chx | i was joking |
| 03:50.13 | chx | wow didnt know that |
| 03:50.15 | woldrich | I didnt get the reference :( |
| 03:50.22 | chx | i presumed it's an iPhone / Android app |
| 03:50.34 | pupnik | everyone does |
| 03:50.38 | Guest40473 | can someone run lsmod on n810 |
| 03:50.43 | Guest40473 | what is display driver name? |
| 03:51.07 | chx | i am too old fashioned gamer to even understand the lure of angry birds |
| 03:51.09 | woldrich | Hey, we can run pretty much every single linux application, can android do that? |
| 03:51.21 | Guest40473 | woldrich: android does not have an X server |
| 03:51.30 | woldrich | oh, games. Yes, I am old as well. I know Pacman. |
| 03:52.00 | woldrich | guest40473, What do they use, something homebrew? |
| 03:52.01 | chx | i hope to god that the new HP phones wont be locked down too hrad |
| 03:52.07 | pupnik | a.b. is a study in simplicity and genius |
| 03:52.13 | woodong50_______ | is it possible to insert android on n810 |
| 03:52.45 | chx | i think android runs fb simply |
| 03:52.47 | Guest40473 | woldrich: afaik they just run something homebrew to composite their custom widgets/wm controls into their fb |
| 03:53.01 | lolcat | I am seriously considering to buy a second N)00 |
| 03:53.29 | Guest40473 | woldrich: basically, short story: to my knowledge xterm doesnt run out of the box on android... because there is no xserv |
| 03:54.13 | woldrich | I have some more exciting links to share with you; what about this: http://www.archmobile.org/trac/wiki/WikiStart (yes, works on n900) |
| 03:54.15 | woldrich | guest40473, I see. |
| 03:54.54 | chx | my biggest problem with the n900 is bulk |
| 03:55.07 | chx | i bought a belt case and it digs into my side so that's not a good solution |
| 03:55.17 | chx | how do you guys carry the thing? |
| 03:55.24 | woldrich | pocket |
| 03:55.33 | chx | i have an e51 and that's pocketable |
| 03:55.41 | chx | this is too thick and heavy to be pocketable |
| 03:56.01 | chx | and i am afraid i'll scratch the screen too |
| 03:56.01 | woldrich | No, your pockets are too small :) |
| 03:56.04 | Guest40473 | man. how can i test this display.. x is running.. i can connect to a x11vnc instance |
| 03:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'd never dare to carry N900 in pocket. belt pouch |
| 03:56.50 | chx | woldrich: my normal clothing maybe but my travel clothing has several pockets big enough for a nook :) but that's insanity. |
| 03:56.56 | Guest40473 | dont see anything problematic in dmesg, i dont see a driver in lsmod... but could be one of these.. |
| 03:57.08 | chx | DocScrutinizer: and ... how do you wear it on your belt? i cant sit with it on my belt. |
| 03:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/album/joerg900.pouch |
| 03:58.05 | psycho_oreos | if you think N900 is quite bulky, wait till you add otterman's case to it :p |
| 03:58.12 | chx | DocScrutinizer: do you remove it when you sit down? |
| 03:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 03:58.33 | woldrich | I havent been here in a while. What's the current situation after Nokias retarded idea of using Microsoft Windows instead? I guess this n900 was the last usable product from them... :/ |
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| 03:59.57 | chx | i got http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000787&products_id=24072 this |
| 04:00.17 | psycho_oreos | there's rumours of N950 coming out |
| 04:00.41 | chx | you mean the head nokia guy saying that? |
| 04:01.04 | psycho_oreos | no I think it was Nokia's CTO |
| 04:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: woldrich asked about *usable* products |
| 04:01.09 | chx | tha'ts a bit more than a rumour but he said that there might be and who knows when and whether it'll have a keyboard :( |
| 04:01.37 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, he didn't say now however :) |
| 04:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's not the point |
| 04:02.38 | psycho_oreos | or at least from a pessimistic point of view, yes there's nothing apart from N900 being the last of the usable product for *now* |
| 04:03.45 | chx | so back to pouches :) |
| 04:03.46 | psycho_oreos | chx, or will it even be running meego, what sort of internal hardware would it have, etc |
| 04:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | and maybe they decide to produce and sell a N995-classic some day. That might pic up where N950 dropped the ball |
| 04:03.49 | chx | who else has ideas about carrying. |
| 04:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | shoulder holster ;-P |
| 04:04.45 | psycho_oreos | with a lanyard and hang it around your neck ;) |
| 04:05.08 | chx | isnt it a bit heavy for a lanyard? |
| 04:05.22 | chx | hrm, shoulder holster, i am in Canada not in Texas. |
| 04:06.00 | psycho_oreos | nope I've wore it around the neck before. That's with a really old nokia lanyard I found off me brother's very old phone he used to have |
| 04:06.16 | chx | http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/urban-tool-hipholster-p23135.htm hrm :) |
| 04:06.44 | lcuk | i have the bottom part of a lanyard on my n900, helps to grab and pull it out of pocket with |
| 04:06.49 | Guest40473 | psycho_oreos: unless an update has been published, last i heard the meego people did say: "yes, we will still be shipping 1 meego device" |
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| 04:08.58 | Guest40473 | woldrich psycho_oreos: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-meego-not-dead-still-shipping-this-year/ |
| 04:09.31 | psycho_oreos | lol I wore it a few times before but it was a little annoying with N900 swinging around my shirt when I was walking. I looked more like one of those `gangsta'. I wore it more or less until I one day I put it in my pocket and when crossing an engine stand the lanyard caught itself on an engine part before ripping apart |
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| 04:10.45 | psycho_oreos | Guest40473, there's more than one meego device out there, and yes Nokia's CEO did utter about bringing out one meego device by the end of this year. Apart from that both Intel and Fujitsu have either brought out or am planning to bring out a meego powered device |
| 04:11.32 | internetishard | What are the primary steps you guys took to secure your n900s? |
| 04:11.59 | chx | shoots anyone who even looks at his phone. |
| 04:12.06 | internetishard | lol |
| 04:12.12 | psycho_oreos | lock code on mine |
| 04:12.24 | internetishard | I haven't used that, since I don't let it out of my hands anyway |
| 04:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | now how did we get to meego now? I thought it was still about *usable* devices |
| 04:12.28 | internetishard | always in pocket |
| 04:12.41 | internetishard | and it doesn't seem the lock code would help if it is stolen |
| 04:12.41 | Guest40473 | DocScrutinizer: -_- |
| 04:12.42 | internetishard | anyway |
| 04:13.13 | psycho_oreos | no it wouldn't help but it would make it hard for thieves to make it useful for resale |
| 04:13.26 | Guest40473 | internetishard: mostly for keeping quasi-savy friends/coworkers |
| 04:13.40 | Guest40473 | from doing jackass-like things with your contacts list/saved passwords |
| 04:13.41 | internetishard | you can just reset it? |
| 04:14.13 | psycho_oreos | the lock code isn't easily resettable, sure with handy computer skills you'll need to write to /dev/mtd and hoping it won't brick the device |
| 04:14.16 | internetishard | I care more about all the info I store on the device than the device itself (both would be disasterous, but making money to buy it again wouldn't be as bad as stolen personal info, etc) |
| 04:14.36 | internetishard | oh, okay, I thought the lock code was easier |
| 04:14.39 | internetishard | to reset, that is |
| 04:14.56 | Guest40473 | n810 lock code can be read from /dev/mtd1 |
| 04:15.01 | Guest40473 | with a bit of grepping |
| 04:15.24 | Guest40473 | yeah |
| 04:15.35 | Guest40473 | why need to write, when you can just read.. then unlock? ;p |
| 04:15.44 | pupnik | 'one meego device' could be a zero-investment netbook bought from intel |
| 04:15.45 | psycho_oreos | N900 isn't exactly a popular device to be stolen and be reused. |
| 04:16.10 | psycho_oreos | lock code with timeout would prove quite challenging to the thief |
| 04:16.37 | chx | explain that to the crackhead who brandishes a knife demanding your phone so he can pawn it for today's shot |
| 04:16.47 | Guest40473 | so what's the problem with carrying the n900 again? |
| 04:16.57 | psycho_oreos | i.e. every 30 minutes the device asks for lock code, you can't simply hook the device up to computer, and set it to PC Suite mode to ssh in and read the code let alone getting into xterm and doing the same thing |
| 04:16.58 | Guest40473 | i carry n810 every day, sure it is thinner |
| 04:17.01 | Guest40473 | but also much larger |
| 04:17.05 | Guest40473 | and much heavier |
| 04:17.09 | pupnik | chx: that person should be shot |
| 04:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | is all for a proper xdm |
| 04:17.26 | chx | pupnik: and yet |
| 04:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | fsck lock-code nonsense |
| 04:18.10 | psycho_oreos | I thought iphone crap was all the rage, N900 isn't that popular, sure the thief might earn some quid for it but not as much as when he steals iphone |
| 04:18.19 | Guest40473 | i just use the supplied sleeve/protector while i carry it |
| 04:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | and still I'm wondering which closed source blob in init is querying the lock code |
| 04:18.36 | chx | so what do we think http://www.eholster.com/gadget-shoulder-holster.html would be helpful? |
| 04:18.40 | Guest40473 | to provide minimal puncture-resistance for screen, and to keep pocket lint out of it |
| 04:19.07 | chx | psycho_oreos: yeah but the thief can barely see straight muhc less actually recognize an iPhone |
| 04:19.26 | Guest40473 | chx: if you want to be shot in a tube station |
| 04:19.35 | chx | Guest40473: lulz what? |
| 04:20.01 | psycho_oreos | I have otterman's case for that, I have accidentally dropped the phone a few times and it hasn't bear any physical damages to the device itself |
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| 04:20.33 | Guest40473 | electricians have been shot down there for less |
| 04:20.41 | psycho_oreos | chx, I don't think the thief would be dumb enough to not see the difference between an iphone and N900 |
| 04:20.43 | Guest40473 | puffy coats, et al |
| 04:21.03 | psycho_oreos | especially N900 with otterman's case makes it look very different to iphone |
| 04:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what fsckdup part of this globe Guest40473 lives in |
| 04:22.07 | chx | sounds London to me |
| 04:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 04:22.33 | internetishard | does the lock code prevent someone from hooking it up to the computer with usb and download the data off of it? |
| 04:22.42 | internetishard | if not, then I don't really care about it |
| 04:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | though more like USA for the "shoot first, ask later" paradigm |
| 04:22.57 | psycho_oreos | it does if its also set to have timeout |
| 04:23.18 | Guest40473 | cant you just hook usb & boot in flasher mode? |
| 04:23.26 | psycho_oreos | err its called autolock |
| 04:23.30 | Guest40473 | dump whole device to a file, with free flasher tool |
| 04:23.36 | Guest40473 | bam. |
| 04:24.02 | psycho_oreos | flasher mode afaik only allows sending firmwares across to the device rather than dumping any devices |
| 04:24.15 | Guest40473 | iirc free flasher tool lets you take full backups |
| 04:24.19 | Guest40473 | because people are lazy |
| 04:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | not that I know of |
| 04:24.49 | psycho_oreos | which flasher tool are you talking about? |
| 04:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | actually it'd be nice if it did |
| 04:25.04 | psycho_oreos | indeed |
| 04:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | but flasher is just a "frontend" to NOLO basically, and NOLO doesn't support readout of anything else than maybe CAL/mtd1 |
| 04:26.38 | psycho_oreos | goes to find that tmo page on resetting lock codes |
| 04:26.42 | Guest40473 | http://nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=docu&q=dumping |
| 04:26.57 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 |
| 04:27.01 | Guest40473 | 0xFFFF is the community flasher |
| 04:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: meh, I can write down the one cmdline off top of my head, but it's worthless |
| 04:29.40 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, meaning that the lock code can still be dumped regardless? |
| 04:30.00 | lolcat | Should I get the N900 for 256EUR unused? |
| 04:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | regradless of what? |
| 04:30.15 | Guest40473 | that seems extremely expensive |
| 04:30.22 | Guest40473 | .. |
| 04:30.34 | lolcat | Seriously? |
| 04:30.37 | lolcat | I hate this country |
| 04:30.47 | lolcat | 50% more a week ago |
| 04:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | Guest40473: well, I don't completely get it what they are doing, but actually you could load your own "NOLO" via OMAP's ROM bootloader coldflash scheme, and that one for sure *could* read out arbitrary storage |
| 04:31.40 | psycho_oreos | regardless of using flasher mode or not? |
| 04:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: sorry, you lost me |
| 04:32.06 | psycho_oreos | Guest40473, interesting |
| 04:32.55 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, you were saying that you can write down the one cmdline off the top of your head.. can you elaborate on that? you mean you can actually retrieve the lock code by other means |
| 04:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'm completely lost with the last ~8 posts |
| 04:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | what's expensive? |
| 04:33.49 | Guest40473 | lolcat: nm, that price is not so unreasonable, particularly for unused + in a smaller market. |
| 04:34.14 | lolcat | Guest40473: I could bargain it down, but if the price is less than 2000 I only have 2 years warranty |
| 04:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1 |
| 04:34.17 | Guest40473 | only about 350 usd |
| 04:34.48 | lolcat | less than 256eur |
| 04:35.57 | lolcat | Guest40473: And I figure 5 years of warranty is awesomer than 2 |
| 04:36.06 | lolcat | even if it costs me a few dollars extra |
| 04:38.11 | Guest40473 | alright. im out of ideas |
| 04:38.19 | Guest40473 | dmesg, lsmod, |
| 04:38.25 | Guest40473 | soft reboot. |
| 04:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | actually the N900 is unbrickable, which means it's also not protectable by lock codes, at least against reflashing but actually it seems also against readout of data. You of course can use cryptfs et al |
| 04:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | that's where we're back to my request for proper xdm |
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| 04:44.52 | internetishard | what is this flasher thing that lets you take full backups? |
| 04:46.08 | luke-jr | I'm not aware of it letting you make backups |
| 04:46.34 | psycho_oreos | lol I didn't get to see the lock_code in plaintext, it was saying binary file /dev/mtd1 matches. Checking it via strings and the lock_code is encrypted |
| 04:47.33 | internetishard | someone just said that above |
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| 04:49.08 | Guest40473 | i believe 0xFFFF should be able to write a full backup of internal flash out with "-e" |
| 04:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: yes, as is clearly explained in that tmo thread |
| 04:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
| 04:51.28 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, `root:Binary file /dev/mtd1 matches:' :) |
| 04:51.33 | Guest40473 | nice, slightly more protected then maemo 4 |
| 04:51.54 | Guest40473 | psycho_oreos: ... |
| 04:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: sorry, I have difficulties to follow your thoughts and posts |
| 04:52.34 | psycho_oreos | but no apart from that I can see a few encrypted lock_code by sifting through via strings |
| 04:53.00 | Guest40473 | psycho_oreos: in maemo 4, the lock code was on disk in plain text |
| 04:53.07 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, the output of that little command was the result, grep doesn't actually dump the encrypted file it just does comparison |
| 04:53.14 | Guest40473 | it seems like in maemo 5 the n900 has it written down as a DES digest |
| 04:53.22 | Guest40473 | but an attacker can take that string |
| 04:53.23 | psycho_oreos | Guest40473, and can be cracked in 1 second |
| 04:53.37 | Guest40473 | and brute force it, extremely quickly |
| 04:53.40 | Guest40473 | yeah |
| 04:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: sorry, I have difficulties to follow your thoughts and posts |
| 04:54.11 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): = root:Binary file /dev/mtd1 matches: |
| 04:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you must use busybox grep |
| 04:55.41 | psycho_oreos | indeed as I just realised, using gnu grep is different |
| 04:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | NB root:12345: is still plain text and not encrypted, and means the device has factory default set and never changed yet |
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| 05:08.19 | pupnik | http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/us-army-tests-wristwatch-with-flexible-oled-display-to-show-maps-and-stream-videos/ 4.3" NIT on your forearm |
| 05:11.11 | psycho_oreos | you meant IT |
| 05:12.01 | pupnik | right |
| 05:13.59 | pupnik | http://www.dinodirect.com/2GB-1-5-OLED-MP4-Watch-Player-668.html if this only had bluetooth it would make a nice client for n900 |
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| 05:30.17 | ebzzry_ | Hi! Does anyone how to replace lxp's kernel (wl1251) with titan's? |
| 05:32.47 | ds3 | I'll settle for any watch with bluetooth that can do more then display the caller id |
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| 05:38.26 | ds3 | whoa, it exists! |
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| 06:09.50 | pupnik | http://www.getinpulse.com/ cool, "Get real-time notifications right on your wrist" |
| 06:09.53 | pupnik | "inPulse is the perfect hacker accessory - a fully programmable wireless smartwatch." |
| 06:10.56 | chx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:13.13 | ds3 | if it works... |
| 06:16.44 | robbiethe1st | Hm, I'd be more interested in how indestructible it is: Unless its like my $20 Armitron and can literally be used as a hammer without damage, it's too fragile for me. |
| 06:17.16 | ds3 | hehehehehe |
| 06:18.53 | robbiethe1st | (I've had this one for like 4+ years, and wear it almost 24/7. The case plastic's edges have been rounded down, the screen's plastic cover's scratched to ****, and it still works right.) |
| 06:20.03 | ebzzry_ | I need to reinstall titan's kernel, but after installing lxp's bleeding edge wl1215 kernel, I can no longer install it. |
| 06:20.10 | ds3 | Oh I can relate... I had a 10+ year old timex |
| 06:20.23 | an0therb0x | which configurtion file(s) controlas System -> Setting -> Personalization ? |
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| 06:35.21 | iluminator101 | is there a kindle app for maemo |
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| 06:42.29 | robbiethe1st | iluminator101: Probably not. But there is skindle and FBReader. |
| 06:42.39 | robbiethe1st | Free your data, then use it on just about anything. |
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| 06:53.28 | RST38h | Many foods are naturally radioactive, and bananas are particularly so, due to the radioactive potassium-40 they contain. The banana equivalent dose is the radiation exposure received by eating a single banana. By comparing the exposure from these events to a banana equivalent dose, a more intuitive assessment of the actual risk can sometimes be obtained. |
| 06:54.42 | RST38h | Bananas are radioactive enough to regularly cause false alarms on radiation sensors used to detect possible illegal smuggling of nuclear material at US ports. |
| 06:55.28 | RST38h | goes to the kitchen, to dispose of the radioactive materials |
| 06:55.58 | derf | Does anyone actually eat a banana every single day? |
| 06:56.17 | RST38h | Probably - many people take 'em to work for lunch |
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| 06:56.34 | derf | I would get sick to death of them. |
| 06:56.54 | derf | And not from the radiation! |
| 06:57.17 | RST38h | Same here, but tastes differ |
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| 07:01.08 | Venemo | hi guys |
| 07:02.41 | RST38h | ...bananas cause radiation exposure even when not ingested; for instance, standing next to a crate of bananas causes a measurable dose. |
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| 07:04.08 | MohammadAG | morning |
| 07:04.15 | RST38h | moorning |
| 07:04.17 | MohammadAG | RST38h, seriously? Never knew that |
| 07:04.52 | RST38h | Mohammad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose (also see "brazilian nuts" there) |
| 07:05.02 | psycho_oreos | radiation from bananas is not noted to have any significant impact on human being thus if such were the case it would have been already documented and should not be eaten in excessive amounts |
| 07:05.29 | RST38h | if it does not affect you, you have just not eaten enough bananas! =) |
| 07:05.42 | MohammadAG | explains why it blows up well in Worms |
| 07:05.50 | MohammadAG | gotta love that game |
| 07:06.02 | dm8tbr | they have thermonuclear bananas there! |
| 07:06.57 | Venemo | lool |
| 07:06.57 | Venemo | morning MohammadAG |
| 07:07.19 | psycho_oreos | contrary to that, if standing next to bananas would have measurable dose of radiation, I'm sure the cultivars would have been complaining of excessive radiation dosage |
| 07:07.55 | RST38h | they are kept in the dark by evil international corporations! =) |
| 07:08.00 | MohammadAG | morning Venemo |
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| 07:08.53 | dm8tbr | psycho_oreos: measurable does not necessary mean that it has an health impact |
| 07:09.43 | dm8tbr | psycho_oreos: there are places around the world where the background radiation is far stronger than on such a plantation plus the bananas. |
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| 07:12.17 | dm8tbr | also depending on where the active potassium comes from that accumulates in bananas it might be that they reduce the background component of the soil by well accumulating it themselves |
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| 07:15.50 | xxtjaxx | Hey! How can I include caldav/webdav calendars into my calendar on the n900 ? |
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| 07:16.32 | psycho_oreos | dm8tbr, you're missing my point, I was noting the fact that just because bananas are radioactive, it doesn't mean anything |
| 07:17.25 | dm8tbr | psycho_oreos: then we have the same point. |
| 07:17.32 | dm8tbr | continues to caffeinate |
| 07:17.46 | psycho_oreos | indeed :) |
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| 07:18.35 | RST38h | psycho_oreos<== obviously a wikipedian |
| 07:19.05 | xxtjaxx | RST38h: not really there are also documentational video series about this |
| 07:19.28 | RST38h | about him not being a wikipedian? |
| 07:19.51 | xxtjaxx | they are mostly conducted by uni profs and things and it truely is radioactive but they are only by a tiny tiny amount |
| 07:19.55 | xxtjaxx | RST38h: yes |
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| 07:21.29 | RST38h | everyone who ate even a single banana during 1800-1899 is dead now though |
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| 07:21.45 | RST38h | this stuff is deadly! |
| 07:21.54 | robbiethe1st | :P |
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| 07:45.20 | MohammadAG | <RST38h> psycho_oreos<== obviously a wikipedian <-- [citation needed] |
| 07:46.34 | RST38h | hehe |
| 07:48.38 | xxtjaxx | lol |
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| 07:54.50 | RST38h | Aaaaaa: http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/3842.jpg |
| 07:54.52 | MohammadAG | hmm, setting a higher value for HILDON_STACKING_LAYER causes my dialog to show over the stock call dialog |
| 07:55.10 | doc|home | RST38h: wow |
| 07:55.11 | RST38h | Well, predictable, isn'tit? |
| 07:55.15 | MohammadAG | I feel stupid for looking for a way to kill the dialog instead of raising the number to 9 |
| 07:55.28 | doc|home | RST38h: what was that in aid of, the windows stuff? |
| 07:56.08 | RST38h | doc: a German carnival |
| 07:56.27 | doc|home | RST38h: yep, but is it due to the layoffs a while back or more recent than that? |
| 07:57.11 | RST38h | doc: article accompanying the photos is dated 3/3/11, so make your own conclusions |
| 07:57.35 | doc|home | could be a file photo |
| 07:59.27 | chx | RST38h: LOOOOL |
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| 08:00.30 | RST38h | Here is the whole article: http://bigpicture.ru/?p=127478 (more lulz there, the text is in Russian, sorry) |
| 08:02.25 | MohammadAG | lolwtf @ 4 |
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| 08:11.00 | doc|home | does the n900 support daylight stupidity time automatically? |
| 08:11.41 | flux | it does, in the same way as every unix system does |
| 08:11.42 | RST38h | afaik yes |
| 08:12.10 | flux | (that is, time is stored in UTC time, and only its interpretation is defined to cover time zones and DST) |
| 08:12.40 | doc|home | ok, thanks |
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| 08:17.09 | phap | Hi all |
| 08:18.17 | phap | I have a small problem with the backup: now when I backup it always backup the same applications that the same backup I made 1 week ago. It doesn't see the new applications or the one I already removed. Any idea? |
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| 08:25.11 | tzafrir_laptop | hmm... my N900 keeps hanging recently |
| 08:25.20 | tzafrir_laptop | Badly. Calls don't seem to wake it |
| 08:25.32 | tzafrir_laptop | The power button doesn't work |
| 08:25.54 | tzafrir_laptop | I have to take out the battery and returrn it. Happened twice lately. |
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| 08:30.58 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: hey |
| 08:31.16 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: |
| 08:31.21 | ZogG_laptop | i almost did it |
| 08:31.25 | ZogG_laptop | ~ping |
| 08:31.25 | infobot | ~pong |
| 08:32.19 | ZogG_laptop | e-yes: they didn't like joke about flash =P |
| 08:34.32 | ZogG_laptop | hmm how is it possible that when i do run make from /src dir it works fine, but while i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc it fails =) |
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| 08:37.53 | ZogG_laptop_ | damn webchat, proxy and timeouts |
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| 08:44.27 | Venemo | hey ZogG_laptop_, congrats |
| 08:44.42 | ZogG_laptop_ | Venemo: but not the whole thing |
| 08:45.03 | ZogG_laptop_ | i only succeeded to make dirty code for callbacks |
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| 08:45.41 | ZogG_laptop_ | but now i'm stuck with classes and using mainwindow class function from functions without class |
| 08:48.56 | MohammadAG | you shouldn't be using functions without classes |
| 08:49.03 | MohammadAG | that's not C++ |
| 08:50.51 | ZogG_laptop_ | right cause i use C |
| 08:50.54 | ZogG_laptop_ | MohammadAG: |
| 08:51.22 | ZogG_laptop_ | and there is some problem to make some C function class functions of Qt |
| 08:51.23 | MohammadAG | C with Qt is a bad mix |
| 08:51.32 | ZogG_laptop_ | u are bad =P |
| 08:51.43 | MohammadAG | consider a wrapper instead of mixing C and C++ |
| 08:51.44 | ZogG_laptop_ | i'll make console program at the end =) |
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| 08:54.51 | ZogG_N900 | there will be 3 of me here |
| 08:55.21 | ZogG_N900 | anyway MohammadAG the c++ api has boost |
| 08:56.13 | MohammadAG | if anyone feels like testing/improving http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/slide2answer_0.1_armel.deb |
| 08:56.37 | ZogG_N900 | i dunno even how to include it as it's not pk-config |
| 08:59.02 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, it work out of box? |
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| 08:59.56 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, hmm? |
| 09:01.16 | ZogG_N900 | works terrible |
| 09:04.19 | MohammadAG | thanks |
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| 09:06.59 | ZogG_N900 | srsly |
| 09:07.07 | ZogG_N900 | took half min to appear |
| 09:07.29 | ZogG_N900 | as i slided second time slide left slided =) |
| 09:07.42 | ZogG_N900 | and i had 2 numbers instead one |
| 09:07.47 | AsiQue | MohammadAG: lol that was really bad... :-) |
| 09:08.57 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, I said testing/improving |
| 09:09.00 | AsiQue | it does take 15 sec to appear... and it donsn't want to go landscape :-! |
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| 09:09.14 | MohammadAG | AsiQue, that depends on your stock dialog |
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| 09:09.36 | MohammadAG | slowless = Qt sadly |
| 09:09.38 | AsiQue | where's the source? |
| 09:09.59 | MohammadAG | a Gtk rewrite would be awesome |
| 09:10.00 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/slide2answer/slide2answer/ |
| 09:10.16 | AsiQue | will look into that... |
| 09:11.31 | ZogG_N900 | i dont think it's good to put apps on top of closed |
| 09:12.01 | MohammadAG | go beg Nokia for sources, I'm not doing it :p |
| 09:14.00 | MohammadAG | or if you're a gtk dev, use DocScrutinizer's suggestion |
| 09:14.12 | MohammadAG | LD_PRELOAD a modified lib |
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| 09:24.25 | RST38h | Revisiting the topic, it is ok to use functions without classes in C++ |
| 09:25.04 | RST38h | Nothing prevents it, and it makes sense in many case (i.e. the function operates on the global state, not associated with any objects). |
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| 09:26.04 | RST38h | The rule of thumb is: if a bunch of your function takes the same first argument, and this argument is a struct, then you probably want to make it a class |
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| 09:28.39 | MohammadAG | RST38h, it's ok, but it makes looking at code painful |
| 09:28.48 | MohammadAG | wonders what a slider's called in QML |
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| 09:37.28 | MohammadAG | heh, it doesn't have a slider |
| 09:37.35 | MohammadAG | but making one looks easy |
| 09:37.40 | MohammadAG | this is kinda fun |
| 09:39.11 | Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: hows the mediaplayer cloe? |
| 09:39.14 | Lava_Croft | clone* |
| 09:39.57 | MohammadAG | needs some tweaks for a music-only release |
| 09:40.09 | Lava_Croft | nice! |
| 09:40.33 | MohammadAG | you can try a binary |
| 09:40.49 | Lava_Croft | i would |
| 09:41.56 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer |
| 09:42.03 | MohammadAG | I update it every once in a while ^ |
| 09:42.56 | Lava_Croft | thanks |
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| 09:43.53 | MohammadAG | the biggest thing that needs fixing is that it iterates over all songs and adds them to a playlist, that makes the UI "hang" |
| 09:44.09 | MohammadAG | I just need to move that into a separate thread |
| 09:44.12 | Lava_Croft | ouch |
| 09:44.24 | MohammadAG | but if you're using the same playlist from the stock player, it works well |
| 09:44.29 | MohammadAG | (I use it daily) |
| 09:46.47 | Lava_Croft | I just renamed the old bin and started using this one |
| 09:46.52 | Lava_Croft | does it do streaming yet? |
| 09:46.59 | Lava_Croft | ( i mostly use it for streaming radio while working) |
| 09:47.10 | Lava_Croft | if not, i can just use mplayer |
| 09:47.15 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 09:47.25 | MohammadAG | you don't need to rename the old one, in fact, I suggest you don't |
| 09:47.32 | Lava_Croft | i figured that out just now |
| 09:47.51 | MohammadAG | it can do streaming, but the window isn't connected to handle pause/stop next/prev |
| 09:48.01 | Lava_Croft | ah |
| 09:55.35 | Lava_Croft | well MohammadAG, that mediaplayer of yours its quite the piece of work |
| 09:55.39 | Lava_Croft | good job, damn |
| 09:59.16 | MohammadAG | thanks :D |
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| 10:07.58 | ZogG_laptop_ | damn, double click just make whois =9 |
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| 10:20.01 | ZogG_laptop_ | Venemo: than i would need help to make it work in Qt or make separete lib/file with all functions that make all the job and connect it to my program |
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| 10:54.54 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop_: I can help with that |
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| 10:55.09 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop_: can't you use the pattern that I created in the version I sent you? |
| 10:58.49 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 10:59.03 | MohammadAG | why does Qt Creator lack a deploy to device feature for QML... |
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| 11:07.51 | timeless_w7ip | mohammadag: more fun this way :) |
| 11:10.45 | MohammadAG | timeless_w7ip, heh |
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| 11:11.16 | MohammadAG | I hate the new Qt SDK |
| 11:12.57 | pupaway | MohammadAG: does it still support n900 as a target? |
| 11:13.13 | MohammadAG | yes, it does, but it sucks |
| 11:13.29 | MohammadAG | it fails to deploy unless I remove the old build myself |
| 11:13.52 | pupaway | ah that's the problem |
| 11:13.56 | pupaway | someone was asking about it |
| 11:14.50 | MohammadAG | quite a helpful error ":-1: error: Packaging failed." |
| 11:14.57 | Lava_Croft | :D |
| 11:16.19 | timeless_w7ip | heh |
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| 12:02.17 | ZogG_laptop_ | Venemo: i still didn't see your version |
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| 12:02.33 | ZogG_laptop_ | Venemo: do you still have my repo? |
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| 12:13.23 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop_: I gave it to you a few days ago |
| 12:13.41 | ZogG_laptop_ | i know |
| 12:13.49 | ZogG_laptop_ | i just wanted u to look what i did |
| 12:13.49 | Venemo | so why didn't you see it? |
| 12:14.18 | Venemo | okay, send it to me then :) |
| 12:14.28 | ZogG_laptop_ | i used static int i and i++; and printed it everytime in callback - it worked |
| 12:14.48 | ZogG_laptop_ | Venemo: i didn't see it as it didn't work right as u told |
| 12:16.19 | wazd | hola all |
| 12:16.23 | ZogG_laptop_ | https://github.com/funkycode/fresh |
| 12:16.28 | ZogG_laptop_ | wazd: |
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| 12:40.21 | wazd | ZogG_laptop_: your project? :) |
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| 12:41.32 | ZogG_laptop_ | wazd: what about it? |
| 12:41.59 | ZogG_laptop_ | wazd: look at qmlreddit and if you have time look at bouncebounce game =) |
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| 12:52.51 | wazd | ZogG_laptop_: https://github.com/funkycode/fresh <- I thought that was for me :) |
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| 13:03.05 | Extends_ | hi all, I need some help. how to get permission to create database automatically on maemo with qt ? |
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| 13:20.28 | jaska | hmm :) |
| 13:20.28 | jaska | Nokia-N810-43-7:~# uptime 15:23:48 up 287 days, 13:39, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
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| 13:20.59 | ruskie | nice |
| 13:21.06 | ruskie | do you use it daily? |
| 13:21.20 | jaska | yeah |
| 13:21.27 | troulouliou | hi i would like to resize home and mydocs ; but i do not understand one thing in the tuto ; do i have to reflash the firmware ? |
| 13:21.34 | jaska | mostly fbreader |
| 13:21.45 | ruskie | troulouliou, nope |
| 13:21.55 | ruskie | jaska, ahh I have an eink reader for that ;) |
| 13:21.56 | ShadowJK | I'd definitely have a backup of everything |
| 13:22.15 | troulouliou | ruskie: it is just that home and mydocs wil be deleted |
| 13:22.23 | troulouliou | i can copy back after ? |
| 13:22.32 | ruskie | if you make a backup first yes |
| 13:22.46 | troulouliou | ok cause in the tuto it says : Backup all settings (to your computer or SD), reflash, restore the settings and install rootsh (no other applications!). |
| 13:22.46 | jaska | ruskie: with text set to white on black i can read without extra light at night too, which is a plus over e-ink type, and i didnt want to buy another device just for it when i already had one :) |
| 13:23.13 | ruskie | jaska, haha that setup messed up my eyes badly |
| 13:23.16 | ruskie | also backlit is annoying |
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| 13:24.21 | jaska | well, i have to read with my worse eye closed anyway, not wearing glasses at that point |
| 13:24.28 | troulouliou | another question; i have a problem with samba-common ; at each time i instll a packet with apt-get i get error dpkg configuring samba-common |
| 13:25.26 | ruskie | jaska, ahh... well dark setups and a shitty monitor basicalyl ruined my eyes in half a year... |
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| 13:27.17 | jaska | remembers the days of 1600x1200 87Hz interlaced on 17" |
| 13:27.34 | jaska | actually no, that was 59Hz |
| 13:27.45 | jaska | the 87iHz was 1152x864 on 14" |
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| 13:37.33 | v2px | hi, i have a problem with my scratchbox. it keeps saying "ERROR: Cannot determine user. $USER is null. Please check your environment. |
| 13:37.41 | v2px | when i try so /scratchbox/login |
| 13:37.50 | v2px | s/so/to/ |
| 13:39.14 | v2px | how can i fix this? |
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| 13:43.10 | timeless_w7ip | well, is $USER empty? |
| 13:43.11 | crashanddie_ | v2px: export USER=`basename ~` |
| 13:43.23 | timeless_w7ip | and did you use sbox_adduser or whatever to add your user? |
| 13:43.25 | lardman | hi chaps |
| 13:43.40 | lardman | anyone here used QJson? |
| 13:43.56 | v2px | oh hm, i tried setting USER but this time it worked for some reason |
| 13:44.00 | v2px | thanks |
| 13:45.40 | crashanddie_ | lardman: hey bru |
| 13:46.01 | crashanddie_ | lardman: isn't it some run-off-the-mill JSon parser? |
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| 13:46.33 | lardman | hi crashanddie_ , yeah I think so, just wondering if it will handle multiple root-level objects |
| 13:46.52 | lardman | not sure that's the right nomenclature either |
| 13:47.06 | crashanddie_ | yeah, root objects in JSON |
| 13:47.26 | lardman | hmm, actually I guess if you have multiple root level objects, they should be in an array anyway |
| 13:47.35 | crashanddie_ | exactly |
| 13:47.47 | lardman | and from the look of the api they will be, damn my little netbook screen, was hard to tell the { and [ apart |
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| 13:48.11 | lardman | I think "doh!" is a suitable response here ;) |
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| 13:49.11 | crashanddie_ | what are you using JSON for? |
| 13:49.23 | crashanddie_ | BTW, I'm getting the feeling JSON is the new XML/SOAP. |
| 13:49.36 | lardman | am writing a house hunting app, and need to grab crime data to add to the mix |
| 13:49.44 | lardman | http://policeapi2.rkh.co.uk/api/docs/method/crime-street/ |
| 13:50.07 | crashanddie_ | nice |
| 13:50.27 | crashanddie_ | looks like it's a map of root objects anyway |
| 13:50.42 | lardman | an array is the root object I take it? |
| 13:50.57 | SpeedEvil | lardman: #openstreetmap over on irc.oftc.net may have people with a clue |
| 13:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | (<MohammadAG> or if you're a gtk dev, use DocScrutinizer's suggestion LD_PRELOAD a modified lib) My suggestion improved, just for the protocol. I suggested to implement it as a gtk theme, and you can set themes per app afaik |
| 13:51.06 | crashanddie_ | aye |
| 13:51.16 | lardman | SpeedEvil: thanks, I'll give this a go |
| 13:51.38 | crashanddie_ | lardman: [ == map/array. { == object. |
| 13:51.57 | lardman | Have already written the scraping code to grab the historical house price data, just need to find a site which also lists # bedrooms for the properties so I can add in extra info |
| 13:52.09 | lardman | then it's a case of analysis :) |
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| 13:52.25 | lardman | crashanddie_: ah map is an array, I see |
| 13:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | btw I'd happily accept all buttons to go slider-style |
| 13:53.26 | crashanddie_ | lardman: yeah, sorry, I wrote a JSON parser this week so I'm a bit messed-up with the in-house keywords we use in our language :P |
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| 13:54.08 | lardman | I swear the spec writers just change keywords to confuse developers ;) |
| 13:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | and I think SHR already has such a slider button |
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| 13:54.58 | crashanddie_ | lardman: sometimes I get angry at myself because I used stupid names/keywords in the spec I'm implementing days later... |
| 13:55.01 | timeless_w7ip | crashandie: json is the replacement for xml as in soap, yeah |
| 13:55.10 | timeless_w7ip | it's a lot less verbose, but just as useful |
| 13:55.37 | timeless_w7ip | technically soap has schema junk |
| 13:55.41 | timeless_w7ip | but the reality is that it never worked |
| 13:55.54 | timeless_w7ip | and the impls were mostly incomplete/incorrect/incompatible |
| 13:55.57 | crashanddie_ | yeah, it works nicely. We're moving quite a few of our proprietary protocols to JSON where appropriate. We have SOAP interfaces, proprietary, and JSON... |
| 13:56.14 | timeless_w7ip | maemo it picked soap |
| 13:56.26 | timeless_w7ip | which is depressing because soap was already mostly dead by the time they did |
| 13:56.35 | crashanddie_ | well, SOAP is dead in consumer-space |
| 13:56.43 | crashanddie_ | But in Enterprise, it's still going strong |
| 13:57.00 | crashanddie_ | SOAP, in most cases, is still less broken than say... RMI... |
| 13:57.19 | crashanddie_ | RMI gives you pain based on Java versions et all, which is just horrendous, but it's faster than SOAP |
| 13:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | (slider switches) look at mute, speaker: http://shr-project.org/trac/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/dialer2_.png |
| 13:57.42 | crashanddie_ | IIRC, latest benchmarks I ran, SOAP was roughly 20-30% slower than RMI, which can be significant |
| 13:58.15 | crashanddie_ | JSON is about 15% slower than our proprietary protocol, and about 10% faster than SOAP |
| 14:00.07 | timeless_w7ip | so json is slower than rmi? |
| 14:00.19 | crashanddie_ | yeah |
| 14:00.45 | crashanddie_ | well, I haven't compared the two side by side |
| 14:01.11 | crashanddie_ | but our protocol is roughly on par with RMI (maybe a tad faster, less than 10%), so... |
| 14:04.39 | troulouliou | hi does anybidy here have segfault with subversion ? |
| 14:05.03 | timeless_w7ip | ? |
| 14:05.21 | troulouliou | when i type subversion on my N900 i have segfault |
| 14:05.53 | timeless_w7ip | 'subversion' or 'svn'? and which version of svn? |
| 14:06.01 | timeless_w7ip | personally i don't use svn if i can avoid it |
| 14:06.12 | timeless_w7ip | svn: REPORT of '/!svn/vcc/default': Could not read response body: connection was closed by server. |
| 14:06.19 | timeless_w7ip | is my last runin w/ it of late |
| 14:06.33 | timeless_w7ip | oh joy |
| 14:06.45 | timeless_w7ip | svn: Working copy '.' locked | svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) |
| 14:07.03 | troulouliou | i mean the svn command inside the N900 |
| 14:08.41 | lardman | anyone know whether QString.replace() allows you to replace one string with another, but only do it once? |
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| 14:15.50 | lardman | heads into town to grab some lunch |
| 14:15.53 | lardman | cu chaps later on |
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| 14:21.47 | GeneralAntilles | "The MeeGo product is no direct N900 successor that much I can tell you as it has everything it takes for the style-conscious, always-connected enthusiast to love it." |
| 14:21.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's going to suck so much. |
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| 14:27.29 | timeless_w7ip | that's what makes it fun and exciting! |
| 14:27.31 | timeless_w7ip | all new |
| 14:27.32 | timeless_w7ip | new bugs |
| 14:27.35 | timeless_w7ip | new old bugs |
| 14:27.42 | timeless_w7ip | new different ui |
| 14:27.48 | timeless_w7ip | new confusing ui metaphors |
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| 14:28.22 | merlin1991 | GeneralAntilles: where's that quote coming from? |
| 14:29.02 | jonwil | I bet that this meego product will have less features than the N900 |
| 14:29.10 | jonwil | and it wont have any of the features the N900 is missing |
| 14:29.33 | Lava_Croft | jonwil: great story |
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| 14:29.40 | Lava_Croft | bashing meego is very productive |
| 14:30.11 | jonwil | I am not trying to bash MeeGo, just be realistic based on how little Nokia seems to care about Linux since the Windows announcement |
| 14:30.27 | jonwil | they are releasing one "product" for MeeGo (that may not even be a phone as such) |
| 14:30.32 | timeless_w7ip | lava: it is! |
| 14:30.41 | timeless_w7ip | setting low expectations is vey important to success |
| 14:30.45 | jonwil | which will get even less post-release support than the N900 got |
| 14:31.10 | timeless_w7ip | it's much easier to exceed low expectations than to attain high expectations :) |
| 14:31.12 | pupaway | if you are sort of useful you can get meego running on the 1ghz omap3 archos 7.0 right now |
| 14:31.32 | timeless_w7ip | jonwil: i believe that's "one meego related device" |
| 14:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I hate to say I toldya |
| 14:31.39 | timeless_w7ip | i don't think we've actually claimed it'd be a product :) |
| 14:32.03 | timeless_w7ip | it might be possible for us to literally ship <one> unit and fulfill our promise :) |
| 14:33.26 | jonwil | regardless of what Nokia may do, I am still glad I bought the N900 |
| 14:33.49 | jonwil | Nokia have released a cellphone that is more open than any other 3G cellphone to date |
| 14:33.57 | timeless_w7ip | i'm still depressed that i didn't expense an n900 corporate phone :( |
| 14:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: unreflected meego fanboyism also doesn't help |
| 14:34.09 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer: but im not a meego fanboi |
| 14:34.18 | Lava_Croft | if saying that bashing meego is unproductive makes me a fanboy |
| 14:34.20 | Lava_Croft | then be it |
| 14:34.36 | Lava_Croft | at least im not in the silly process of bashing an unreleased product |
| 14:34.37 | jonwil | The N900 is certainly more open than any Android phone to date, even the Nexus One/Nexus S |
| 14:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: and jonwil's assumption is quite well based on what we heard about harmattan and meego handset ux so far |
| 14:34.55 | Lava_Croft | speculation for the win |
| 14:35.04 | APTX | fanboy, fanboy |
| 14:35.06 | Lava_Croft | but dont let me stop you |
| 14:35.13 | Lava_Croft | at least bashing meego might make the maemo failure look better |
| 14:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: bashing a released product is way more silly than criticism during development |
| 14:35.33 | jonwil | and unlike HTC and Motorola and other vendors in the Android space, Nokia doesn't violate the GPL or withhold code |
| 14:35.47 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer: not from the end-user perspective |
| 14:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | who here is an end user?? ;-P |
| 14:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | maybe that's what the meego gods want us to be, endusers of their brilliant inventions |
| 14:36.57 | jonwil | Not only that, there is someone currently at Nokia (qgill) looking into the possibility of releasing even more N900 code |
| 14:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | that's not going to happen |
| 14:37.20 | Lava_Croft | at least its reassuring to see that this community is mostly like any open source community |
| 14:37.23 | jonwil | havent heard if that discussion has gone anywhere or if its still ongoing though |
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| 14:37.44 | Lava_Croft | which means it consists out of bashing the supposed opposition instead of trying to better yourself |
| 14:37.46 | timeless_w7ip | docscrutinizer: afaict the target audience for product n+1 is generally picked to be distinct from product n |
| 14:37.50 | Lava_Croft | solution! |
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| 14:38.24 | jonwil | the other thing about the N900 is that the hardware is the most documented of any 3G cellphone, making porting alternative OSs to it easier |
| 14:38.32 | jonwil | documented in the sense of the code being there |
| 14:38.36 | jonwil | e.g. ofono |
| 14:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | damn, where he went? I was about to kick him for trolling |
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| 14:40.50 | jonwil | Anyone know which bug or forum or mailing list or other item I should follow if I want to see any results that come out of what qgill is doing? |
| 14:41.04 | jonwil | i.e. should anything happen, where will it happen? |
| 14:42.08 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Leaked schematics and stuff hep a fair chunk too. |
| 14:42.29 | jonwil | leaked schematics are available for plenty of other cellphones |
| 14:45.27 | SpeedEvil | True |
| 14:45.31 | jonwil | The other plus about the N900 is that its the only phone that even pretends to be open that has a landscape qwerty keyboard |
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| 14:45.42 | jonwil | All the others are touchscreen only AFAIK |
| 14:45.48 | jonwil | Freerunner, Nexus One, Nexus S etc |
| 14:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: btw the most silly thing is to talk about meego as a 'product to release', as that in itself makes meego a major fail - it's supposed to be *developed* in public, and so bashing it at any state of development is perfectly valid, while suggesting a "wait til it gets released" is mere bullsh*t |
| 14:47.58 | Lava_Croft | im sorry, im already bored of you |
| 14:48.06 | Lava_Croft | already had like 10000123543215214351432521435431524135143 of your kind in the past years |
| 14:48.24 | Lava_Croft | but you can write me an email if you like, and put everything you want to share with me in there |
| 14:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | well, we had like 17.3 trolls like you in this channel, and most of them were more funny |
| 14:48.52 | Lava_Croft | yeah, im the one trolling here |
| 14:48.57 | Lava_Croft | im sorry for not bashing meego |
| 14:49.05 | Lava_Croft | i should know better than not to bash the other options |
| 14:49.15 | Lava_Croft | but even after all these years, i still cant get myself to do it |
| 14:49.30 | Lava_Croft | im not the type to join a channel belonging to a linux distro and then go about bashing some other distro |
| 14:49.41 | Lava_Croft | i believe in making myself better by improvement, not by bashing the other |
| 14:49.56 | Lava_Croft | let's leave it at that, i think we both have better things to do |
| 14:50.03 | Lava_Croft | and more productive too! |
| 14:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | that's all to your liking, bit please refrain from blaming and educating others here |
| 14:50.26 | Lava_Croft | no |
| 14:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | it's perfectly OK to have a different opinion than even Nokia employees that state about meego development and what they think it will result in, it's not OK to blame them for not sharing your take on it |
| 14:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | or call them silly, for this particular case |
| 14:52.46 | Lava_Croft | it's not ok to bash stuff |
| 14:52.47 | Lava_Croft | period |
| 14:53.06 | Lava_Croft | you can also quit now, since you will not get through to me with your probably very important truth |
| 14:53.14 | Lava_Croft | i cannot be helped |
| 14:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | ok, you want a kick for bashing jonwill? |
| 14:53.22 | Lava_Croft | go threaten me |
| 14:53.34 | Lava_Croft | people that want action just take action |
| 14:53.39 | Lava_Croft | they dont go about threatening folks |
| 14:53.51 | Lava_Croft | if you think that you can impress me this way, it's not really working |
| 14:53.58 | Lava_Croft | it's actually making your point a lot less valid |
| 14:54.09 | Lava_Croft | ill go do something productive now |
| 14:54.12 | Lava_Croft | like bash ubuntu |
| 14:54.14 | Lava_Croft | <_< |
| 14:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: I'm trying to keep this channel friendly. My feeling is it's you who is bringing unfriendly moods in here. So this is my first warning |
| 14:54.56 | Lava_Croft | yeah, bashing meego is fine |
| 14:55.01 | Lava_Croft | but calling the bashing silly is being unfriendly |
| 14:55.06 | Lava_Croft | infalliable logic |
| 14:55.11 | Lava_Croft | just kick me if you feel the need |
| 14:55.11 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 14:55.17 | Lava_Croft | or dont if you dont feel the need |
| 14:55.21 | Lava_Croft | but dont go threaten |
| 14:55.22 | *** mode/#maemo [+q Lava_Croft!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 14:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | ping me if you think you can stop bitching |
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| 15:04.54 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 15:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | (slide to answer) >>But you can go further than that. You can actually modify your application logic while the program is running ... ***Allows modification of the properties for any widget.*** << http://chipx86.github.com/gtkparasite/ |
| 15:05.32 | RST38h | So, what is new and exciting? Bankrupcies? Anyone important died? In a suicide? |
| 15:06.22 | RST38h | Doc: Meego should adopt the graphics style they chose for the logo =) |
| 15:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | moo's at RST38h |
| 15:12.19 | pupaway | http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm japan before/after pics |
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| 15:14.22 | RST38h | Ah, I was going to postthat :) |
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| 15:18.29 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Next time, I'd suggest raising a bug of suitably high priority, and adding niels@maemo.org, henri@maemo.org & council.maemo.org to the CC. |
| 15:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: regarding what? |
| 15:18.55 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: If it isn't quickly acted on, the Council can forward it on to Nemein support |
| 15:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | infra down? |
| 15:19.16 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Server outage (that seemed to be what your ping was about) |
| 15:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | yep, thanks |
| 15:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: how's council elections progress? |
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| 15:25.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, feel like running for council? |
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| 15:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
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| 15:26.59 | lcuk | i nearly submitted a nomination for you DocScrutinizer |
| 15:27.04 | troulouliou | hi can anybody help me in repartitionning the flash ? i m afraid of loosing my /home |
| 15:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | omg |
| 15:27.24 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, but then I thought of how you would rage |
| 15:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | you woudn't want me in council |
| 15:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 15:28.13 | lcuk | who else could be nominated though |
| 15:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | I know I'm not a polite and nice guy :-) |
| 15:28.33 | lcuk | have the current council given nominations or been nominated again? |
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| 15:28.46 | lcuk | hey penguinbait \o |
| 15:28.57 | RST38h | let us nominate abilluk! |
| 15:29.03 | RST38h | and yss too |
| 15:29.20 | lcuk | try it |
| 15:29.35 | lcuk | it might have effect of convincing others to stand |
| 15:30.59 | penguinbait | hey lcuk!! |
| 15:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'll call you Machiavelli now |
| 15:33.05 | RST38h | machinavelli |
| 15:35.35 | RST38h | Eeek: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51179.html |
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| 15:36.23 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
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| 15:41.07 | javispedro | morning |
| 15:41.59 | alterego | Aloha |
| 15:47.00 | javispedro | so, how's the newly formed abill_uk maemo council? |
| 15:47.36 | alterego | Hah, what? |
| 15:47.58 | RST38h | They have decided to petition Steve Jobs to port iOS to N900. |
| 15:47.59 | alterego | I must have missed that. |
| 15:48.45 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:50.30 | chx | i am sure stevie would just love to that...... |
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| 15:53.49 | alterego | Have I missed some hilarious tmo pthread or something? |
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| 15:56.24 | lcuk | alterego, it was just mentioned up there before you entered ^^ |
| 15:56.25 | lcuk | <RST38h> let us nominate abilluk! |
| 15:56.25 | lcuk | <RST38h> and yss too |
| 15:56.25 | lcuk | <lcuk> try it |
| 15:56.25 | lcuk | <lcuk> it might have effect of convincing others to stand |
| 15:58.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:58.41 | alterego | Not enough people interested in being council members? |
| 15:58.45 | alterego | Well, this isn't good .. |
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| 16:00.04 | jacktheripper | what's the difference between a regional and a global firmware ? |
| 16:01.23 | pupaway | anybody want me to nominate them? |
| 16:02.01 | Jaffa | pupaway: Anyone can put themselves forward |
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| 16:03.32 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Status: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2011-March/004707.html |
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| 16:03.56 | alterego | The council is probably more important now than it has ever been |
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| 16:04.14 | Jaffa | alterego: Agreed |
| 16:05.43 | wazd | Jaffa: you're the only one who haven't checked out CSSU icon :) |
| 16:06.42 | alterego | I'm not council material, I'd run if I realy thought I could offer anything |
| 16:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: is there a sticky thread on TMO? if not, why? |
| 16:07.23 | pupaway | Japan: Shinmoedake Volcano erupts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpl3VK3dl7I |
| 16:07.36 | RST38h | material, shmaterial, who cares? |
| 16:07.49 | RST38h | pupnik: oh, volcano too??? |
| 16:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, poor Japan |
| 16:08.12 | RST38h | earthquake. tsunami. nuclear meltdown. volcano. <fill the blank> |
| 16:08.14 | Jaffa | wazd: I did, I said "nice". Like it very much. |
| 16:08.25 | RST38h | You know who is going to be in that blank, right? |
| 16:09.00 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: There should be. Although, IMHO, there are too many sticky threads in the _Community_ forum. |
| 16:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | Deities must have decided to erase Japan from earths surface |
| 16:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: meteor? |
| 16:09.51 | RST38h | no, of course not |
| 16:09.59 | RST38h | the meteor is from a different movie |
| 16:10.04 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I dunno, tho', since I've not had chance to check TMO all week. |
| 16:10.14 | wazd | Jaffa: ah, cool :) |
| 16:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: me neither |
| 16:10.52 | javispedro | someone already said on slashdot "just evacuate the entire island and let it sink!" |
| 16:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: the odd thing is tmo obviously is seeing much broader audience |
| 16:11.20 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: There are many people in the Council who were elected because of their ability to be non-technical, "end-user" focused and TMO active. |
| 16:12.02 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: RevdKathy should be able to do it, for example. |
| 16:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | so one of the most noble duties of council is to care about next term. I'd suggest those members go starting a massive advertising on tmo - if not done already |
| 16:12.41 | javispedro | RST38h: godzilla. |
| 16:12.44 | RST38h | Jaffa: This once again forces me to ask: "What are the real tangible results of the current council work?" |
| 16:12.49 | RST38h | javispedro: But of course! |
| 16:13.02 | RST38h | Jaffa: And if there are none, why do we need the council? |
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| 16:13.59 | Jaffa | RST38h: I've answered this before. |
| 16:14.08 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Agreed |
| 16:14.24 | alterego | We need the council more than ever now, to continue to plan a migration strategy for if/when Nokia walk away from maemo.org |
| 16:14.36 | lcuk | RST38h, I would like to know the CSSU is in good hands and that our N900s will continue to be great devices for many people. |
| 16:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: If it weren't that silly, I'd say nobody may leave council until (s)he found a next tenant for own position |
| 16:15.00 | RST38h | lcuk: The CSSU is not being developed by the council. It is being developed by individuals. |
| 16:16.16 | lcuk | RST38h, it helps to bring focus, the CSSU core developers are one subset, to rally the testers and communicate about the additions and changes and to ensure the user experience is actually improved is important |
| 16:16.23 | alterego | Yeah, I don't think there's any council involvement in CSSU currently. |
| 16:16.35 | RST38h | Dunno, I have not seen the council doing that |
| 16:16.56 | pupaway | alterego: isn't smoku's project the thing to do? |
| 16:17.12 | lcuk | RST38h, do you think they could though? |
| 16:17.23 | RST38h | lcuk: No, I do not think they could. |
| 16:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: council are moderators and editors in some way. look at http://maemo.org/community/council to see part of what they are doing all the time |
| 16:18.27 | RST38h | Doc: What part of this page should I specifically look at? |
| 16:18.39 | lcuk | RST38h, also, the current council have been involved in CSSU btw |
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| 16:19.31 | RST38h | lcuk: How? |
| 16:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: e-g by making the hosting on those servers happen, if not anything else? |
| 16:20.25 | Jaffa | alterego: Thanks. I'll sod off then. |
| 16:20.46 | RST38h | Doc: AFAIK, the hosting is being handled by Nokia employees and contractors responsible for maemo.org |
| 16:20.59 | javispedro | could see a smaller council. |
| 16:21.03 | RST38h | Doc:And even without that, one could simply create a thirdparty repo on his own |
| 16:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | I said make it happen, not do it |
| 16:21.17 | lcuk | RST38h, jaffa has been implicit in the CSSU and has been involved in many of the conversations and discussions between Nokia people and the maemo infrastructure |
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| 16:22.01 | Jaffa | alterego: The Council a) provides the empowerment to give MohammadAG the repos on maemo.org and say "*this* is official"; b) I wouldn't've been so bothered about doing the wiki pages, bug triaging, communication and repeatedly asking the same questions on TMO if I wasn't on the council. |
| 16:22.06 | lcuk | his advice, thoughts and feedback into the process have helped connect the dots between the code and actually trying to turn it into an SSU |
| 16:22.22 | Jaffa | lcuk: s/implicit/explicit/, please :-p |
| 16:22.26 | alterego | Jaffa: oh, I didn't realise there are official repos now :P |
| 16:22.33 | lcuk | s/implicit/explicit/ |
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| 16:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | My take on the council isn't about voluntary coding work or anything similar, the council has to have a comprehensive idea what's going on both in Nokia and community, and advocate between those and of course inside community |
| 16:22.56 | Jaffa | alterego: The CSSU, since launch, has been on maemo.org |
| 16:23.02 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Thank you. |
| 16:23.09 | lcuk | Jaffa, apologies, I am merely trying to point out the good work you have done to date :) |
| 16:23.14 | alterego | I've been quite distracted away from maemo recently and have mainly been working in meego, so I'm sorry, I must be behind on these developments :P |
| 16:23.29 | Jaffa | RST38h: Since you've never seen the value of the Council, your question is loaded. |
| 16:23.43 | alterego | I was under the impression it was hosted by mohammed |
| 16:23.53 | alterego | Obviously I am wrong :P |
| 16:24.00 | Jaffa | alterego: No. There was a prototype which was. |
| 16:24.52 | alterego | Yes, I see t hat now, I'm just a little out of date :) |
| 16:24.52 | Jaffa | Anyway, the meme "all the coding is done by MohammadAG" is also wrong. There are patches from me, thp, Sc0rpius and others all included. |
| 16:25.02 | RST38h | Jaffa: If I had seen the value,I would not ask though |
| 16:25.18 | alterego | I know that there are a fair few contributors :P |
| 16:25.35 | Jaffa | alterego: Indeed, it was a general comment ;-) |
| 16:26.27 | Jaffa | RST38h: Then you're missing the point. |
| 16:28.52 | RST38h | Might be, although not receiving a concise response to my question bother me. |
| 16:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you got shitloads of answers |
| 16:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | the most short one now: council = TSG |
| 16:29.50 | Jaffa | RST38h: Some things this term: sponsored participants to MeeGo Conference with a Maemo background, liaising with Forum Nokia on Qt updates in Extras-devel, CSSU, maemo.org ownership, liaising with Nokia on further license change requests, ... |
| 16:30.39 | RST38h | #define liasising |
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| 16:31.04 | RST38h | As I understand,"maemo.orgownership"is not really an activity |
| 16:31.09 | Jaffa | RST38h: lmgtfy.com/search?q=define:liaising |
| 16:31.16 | RST38h | The CSSU stuff is done by concrete people, none of whom are council people |
| 16:31.31 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I never take credit for something I didn't do, you probably know that :) |
| 16:31.34 | Jaffa | RST38h: Fuck off. I'm a council person and I'm involved in the CSSU |
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| 16:32.02 | RST38h | Sponsoring conference participants I can understand and welcome, although I am a bit unclear about where money came from |
| 16:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: so what? which part of Technical Steering Group was it that's so hard to understand? |
| 16:32.22 | RST38h | This leaves the "liasing" thing, so what does it mean? |
| 16:32.24 | Jaffa | RST38h: And, as I said above, I did things which don't directly scratch my itches because of Council membership |
| 16:32.34 | RST38h | Doc:Part where the council does actual steering |
| 16:32.38 | MohammadAG | I sense an argument of some sort around here? |
| 16:32.42 | MohammadAG | goes back to idling |
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| 16:32.54 | Jaffa | RST38h: The money came from the MeeGo project, why does it matter where the money came from? |
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| 16:33.24 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Yes, it's not worth your time. Nor, for that matter, mine. Goes off to spend time with kids. |
| 16:33.25 | RST38h | Jaffa: Because if the Meego project sponsors a few maemo people for the conference, then the Meego project should take credit for that, right? |
| 16:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you're really playing stupid here :-/ |
| 16:34.31 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I just try to avoid arguments, whether they waste time or not, unless I'm the one who "started" or caused it |
| 16:35.07 | Jaffa | RST38h: The MeeGo project wanted to sponsor people who were involved in the MeeGo project. We argued that people from the parent communities should be involved as "potential" (and past) contributors. Then, one of the council (specifically me) was involved in the decision making committee. |
| 16:35.43 | Jaffa | Using the same model that the Maemo Community Council used for the Amsterdam summit. |
| 16:35.57 | RST38h | Ok |
| 16:36.00 | RST38h | Fair |
| 16:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | and that's *exactly* what council is all about. Not about contributing patches to CSSU |
| 16:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | council isn't a beauty contest of the most productive coders or whatever you seem to consider it |
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| 16:38.43 | alterego | I'd be happy if the council weren't even programmers :) |
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| 16:39.02 | MohammadAG | I wouldn't be happy if abill_uk was a member |
| 16:39.13 | troulouliou | hi i m trying to resize my flash without reflash ; when i copy from /home to mmc i have to preserve the file rights no ? |
| 16:39.25 | MohammadAG | cp -a does that for you |
| 16:39.41 | troulouliou | ha ok |
| 16:39.43 | MohammadAG | anyway, use the MeeGo initrd image and gparted |
| 16:39.48 | MohammadAG | it makes resizing piss easy |
| 16:40.03 | troulouliou | and symlinks .... |
| 16:40.19 | MohammadAG | what about them? you're changing the partition table, not the files |
| 16:40.20 | troulouliou | you have a link ? |
| 16:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not. Council need a lot of knowledge about system architecture and coding tools and practices to maintain a comprehensive understanding of what's going on where and how to make things fit together nicely |
| 16:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: ^^^ |
| 16:40.35 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd <-- quite awesome |
| 16:40.49 | MohammadAG | I have another partition on my eMMC for MeeGo |
| 16:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: cp -a doesn't help when copying a ext2/3 to vfat |
| 16:41.38 | MohammadAG | vfat needs to die |
| 16:41.50 | MohammadAG | vfat can't store permissions, it's not cp's fault :P |
| 16:43.03 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: fair point |
| 16:43.46 | alterego | I guess a good overview of how things are done around here is important. |
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| 16:48.37 | njsf | Darn, N900 failed to update the clock on todays DST transition |
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| 16:48.52 | troulouliou | MohammadAG: in your link ; emmc is the full mmcblk0 not only Mydocs right ? |
| 16:49.26 | njsf | was not a failure of the provider either. after I rebooted the N900 the clock was right. it seems it just did not update the clock if the signal was not lost or something? |
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| 16:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: I think maemo doesn't correctly manage automatic switching of DST. BTW where is DST switched today? |
| 16:51.02 | MohammadAG | troulouliou, yes |
| 16:51.52 | troulouliou | MohammadAG: and flasher won't remove any file is is just an util to reboot on a different kernel |
| 16:51.59 | troulouliou | ? |
| 16:52.06 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 16:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:52.15 | troulouliou | yes looks pisssed easy then :) |
| 16:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | at least here |
| 16:52.43 | MohammadAG | as I said :) |
| 16:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | has anybody updated the broken link on that page? |
| 16:53.22 | troulouliou | don'l like to install gparted on my system but will do it temporary then |
| 16:53.37 | njsf | US |
| 16:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: weird US |
| 16:54.32 | njsf | yes, they advanced it for 2 weeks |
| 16:54.57 | njsf | but what I was surprised with was the fact that it did not pickup the DST change from the provider |
| 16:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | so how should maemo know about that? |
| 16:55.06 | njsf | like the throw away phones do |
| 16:55.23 | njsf | DocScrutinizer it should take hint from the time the cell gives it |
| 16:55.27 | njsf | since I have that checked |
| 16:55.43 | njsf | either that or then _do_ NTP |
| 16:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | it does, but sometimes not on boot |
| 16:56.01 | njsf | it _only_ did on boot |
| 16:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | switching to tablet mode and back usually helps |
| 16:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: nah, carrier is sending time with registration AIUI |
| 16:56.45 | njsf | no really caring about what "should help" |
| 16:57.25 | njsf | then I was just unlucky by having consistent carrier connection ? :) |
| 16:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | somewhat, yes |
| 16:57.46 | njsf | wouldn't the N900 get it on transition from 2.5-3-3.5 G ? |
| 16:57.53 | njsf | I saw it transition |
| 16:58.07 | njsf | and no time update |
| 16:58.14 | timeless_w7ip | njsf: err |
| 16:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | it should get time when T3212 reregistration timer expires |
| 16:58.21 | timeless_w7ip | did you check the box asking for automatic time updates? |
| 16:58.30 | MohammadAG | troulouliou, on your PC of course |
| 16:58.34 | njsf | as for the N900 "knowing", there should probably be a tz update from CSS ? |
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| 16:59.03 | ShadowJK | It varies between operators how and when they send time. My other operator only sends on establishing hew gprs connection |
| 16:59.06 | njsf | timeless_w7ip: _of course_ otherwise I would not be talking about it |
| 16:59.24 | timeless_w7ip | you'd be surprised |
| 16:59.28 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 16:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: on boot however, I've seen registration on GSM just being "too fast" so it gets lost in halfway init |
| 17:00.01 | ShadowJK | I was angry for half a month when N900 kept "unlocking itself". Turned out I had "lock automatically" unticked :x |
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| 17:00.30 | njsf | Is there any package that adds ntp already ? |
| 17:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: or too slow, or whatever |
| 17:00.45 | njsf | DocScrutinizer ok got it. |
| 17:00.49 | troulouliou | MohammadAG: the file in your link ( initrd and kernel are out of date) can i use the latest one or i should pick those from archive.meego ? |
| 17:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | yes, there's ntp pkg. It's not really optimized for random connectivity devices like mobile phones |
| 17:01.18 | MohammadAG | course you could use the latest ones |
| 17:01.30 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't run openntp, it would be a significant impact on battery life |
| 17:01.39 | derf | "Optimized" |
| 17:01.49 | derf | openntpd craps all over itself when the network connection goes down. |
| 17:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 17:02.04 | njsf | DocScrutinizer what do you mean by not optimized for random connectivity ? it will cause new internet connections to be established ? |
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| 17:02.07 | derf | And never re-establishes sync until you restart it. |
| 17:02.17 | njsf | ah ok thanks derf |
| 17:02.31 | njsf | that is weird, because regular ntp is kinda resilient to that |
| 17:02.37 | ShadowJK | also it polls every 64s always, doesn't it? |
| 17:02.55 | derf | No, I have a cronjob restart it every day even on my desktop for the same reason. |
| 17:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: go for a "cronjob" calling ntpdate every 6 hours or somesuch |
| 17:03.04 | ShadowJK | well... if you compare ntp and openntp, openntp is a joke |
| 17:03.21 | njsf | DocScrutinizer, good idea, I have alarmed installed |
| 17:03.31 | njsf | I suspect that is why you quoted "cronjob" |
| 17:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:06.19 | troulouliou | Does anybidy here have a segfault error when they use subversion ? |
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| 17:11.27 | timeless_w7ip | http://blog.internetcases.com/2011/03/12/facebook-privacy-photo-tagging-attorney-chicago-lawyer-social-media/ <- sanity! |
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| 17:32.35 | njsf | what is the package name / repos where ntp is ? |
| 17:32.45 | njsf | dpkg-query -l *ntp returns zilch |
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| 17:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | well, facebook/twitter + automatic tagging of faces by ever-getting-smarter recognition technologies = 1984 big brother on a commercial basis rather than a authority-driven one |
| 17:33.35 | RST38h | you do not want that |
| 17:34.16 | RST38h | credit card transactions + accounting all RFIDs currently used for goods storage and security = PROFIT |
| 17:34.44 | RST38h | your face is really not that important, and neither is your facebook/twitter drivel :) |
| 17:34.54 | ZogG | MohammadAG, |
| 17:35.45 | ZogG | RST38h what is thea new thing they added to nexus S |
| 17:35.50 | ZogG | NFC or something |
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| 17:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: when everybody and his mad dog is taking photos of me walking down the street and uploads it to twitter for letting everybody know what she's doing atm, then it is |
| 17:41.12 | njsf | DocScrutinizer do you have the name of the ntpdate package? |
| 17:41.26 | njsf | can't find it through apt-get or dpkg-query |
| 17:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: I'm afraid there's none for maemo |
| 17:41.39 | javispedro | ntpdate was depreciated iirc |
| 17:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | yup, a pity |
| 17:42.07 | njsf | (1:01:14 PM) DocScrutinizer: yes, there's ntp pkg. It's not really optimized for random connectivity devices like mobile phones |
| 17:42.07 | javispedro | *deprecated ;P |
| 17:42.14 | MohammadAG | Near Field Communication |
| 17:42.16 | njsf | ah ok |
| 17:42.23 | MohammadAG | a concept that'll take at least 10 years to be in Israel |
| 17:42.27 | njsf | what was the reason ? |
| 17:42.28 | javispedro | njsf: you can use ntpd -q or something like that |
| 17:42.34 | njsf | Is it worthwhile I try to package it ? |
| 17:42.39 | javispedro | njsf: it will run ntp for a few minutes then die. |
| 17:43.06 | njsf | then where can I find ntpd ? |
| 17:43.15 | njsf | also not finding it |
| 17:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: I'd much appreciate that. ntpdate is poorly replaced by ntpd |
| 17:43.39 | javispedro | http://maemo.org/packages/view/openntpd/ |
| 17:44.13 | njsf | thanks javispedro |
| 17:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | actually I think that deprecation was a failure |
| 17:44.59 | javispedro | for quick syncs plain rdate is a better protocol either way ;) |
| 17:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | ntpd doesn't support/replace all the fuctions of ntpdate |
| 17:47.01 | javispedro | but depending on how much in a hurry you are it is "good enough". not to mention it is way more precise than ntpdate. |
| 17:47.05 | RST38h | Doc: Yes, maybe, but consider this |
| 17:48.15 | njsf | ok got it installed, I guess I am good for now. thanks all |
| 17:48.15 | RST38h | Doc: You walk that street, and a little metal box at a nearest lamppost registers the UIDs of you coat, your shoes, your cell phone, your dog's collar, and the dogfood your dog has eaten for lunch |
| 17:49.02 | RST38h | Doc: this data gets checked against purchase records andmatched to your CC which is matched to your name and residential address |
| 17:49.24 | RST38h | Doc: no images ever enter this chain |
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| 17:54.04 | javispedro | curses |
| 17:54.15 | javispedro | libc debug symbols don't match the actual pr1.3 library |
| 17:55.12 | javispedro | hm... |
| 17:55.53 | javispedro | despite the same debian package version.. |
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| 17:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moot points. Nobody should deprecate a tool for a inferior alternative. I am missing a way to just *display* the ntp server's time to compare it to my local sysclock, rather than actually setting it |
| 17:57.50 | dm8tbr | ntpdate? |
| 17:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 17:58.18 | dm8tbr | another problem solved ;) |
| 17:58.25 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 17:59.12 | pupnik | NFC isn't exactly cool as a framework for mesh communication between users |
| 17:59.56 | lcuk | pupnik, depends how much info you can pass by making phones high 5 |
| 18:00.04 | kerio | ZFC is much better |
| 18:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: in case you missed sth: >> |
| 18:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | halley:/media # ntpdate --help |
| 18:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | The ntpdate program is deprecated and should not be used any more. To quote the upstream ntp developers: "The functionality ntpdate offered is now provided by the ntpd daemon itself. If you call ntpd with the command line option -q it will retrieve the current time and set it accordingly." |
| 18:00.49 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: cute, I'd just disable that output though :) |
| 18:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's not cute, that's a lie |
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| 18:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | as evidently (or I'm mistaken) ntpd does NOT completely replace ntpdate |
| 18:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | see the post you answered to |
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| 18:02.35 | dm8tbr | mhm, there are not really that many cases where you are interested in the offset and dont' want to set your clock though |
| 18:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | that's not friggin up to anybody else to decide for me |
| 18:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | and you failing to know about usecases where I'm interested in a correct time without messing with my local system time inevitably - doesn't mean there aren't any |
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| 18:09.22 | dm8tbr | mind you I didn't say there "aren't any" |
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| 18:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, it's an absolute failure of devels to deprecate ntpdate without taking care about a complete replacement that doesn't lack functionality of the deprecated program |
| 18:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | this is true for any tool, and absolutely unrelated to usecases, particularly of ntpdate |
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| 18:17.32 | MohammadAG | ffs |
| 18:17.39 | MohammadAG | can any mobile other than the N900 focus in video? |
| 18:17.53 | MohammadAG | a 12MP cam in the N8, gone to waste for lack of macro |
| 18:18.02 | MohammadAG | and I can't film the N900 with the N900 |
| 18:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | ohmy *sigh* |
| 18:19.19 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: "there are not really that many cases where you are interested in filming macro" |
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| 18:20.16 | MohammadAG | I even tried low light in the event it'd focus on the N900 |
| 18:20.20 | MohammadAG | (fixed focus) |
| 18:21.30 | timeless_w7ip | doc: didn't nokia put up a show of doing macro w/ a bunch of phones? |
| 18:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: nfc |
| 18:22.49 | MohammadAG | for photos, yes |
| 18:22.58 | MohammadAG | for videos, not so much |
| 18:23.29 | alterego | Yeah, macro video isn't particularly normal use case .. |
| 18:23.41 | MohammadAG | still, a nice feature to have |
| 18:23.46 | MohammadAG | it is a camera phone after all |
| 18:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just noticing the original unix spirit as e.g found in toolbox design principles is going oblivion more and more these days |
| 18:24.09 | MohammadAG | I have a sony handy cam, which shoots video with manual focus |
| 18:24.15 | MohammadAG | but it saves crap to a DVD, so I cba |
| 18:25.14 | MohammadAG | The N8 needs a new campaign |
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| 18:25.21 | MohammadAG | It's not the megapixels, it's what you do with them |
| 18:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | rather you see more and more apps/tools designed for one particular purpose and trying to outsmart the user |
| 18:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | which is what a all learnt to hate M$ for |
| 18:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | s/ a / we / |
| 18:27.39 | timeless_w7ip | ? |
| 18:27.44 | timeless_w7ip | likes MS |
| 18:27.49 | timeless_w7ip | and that's not a Nokia thing |
| 18:27.59 | timeless_w7ip | they might not have a Don't Be Evil mantra |
| 18:28.06 | timeless_w7ip | but their business practices aren't stupid |
| 18:28.09 | timeless_w7ip | unlike some companies |
| 18:28.20 | timeless_w7ip | And they make good Tools |
| 18:28.23 | timeless_w7ip | And have good support |
| 18:28.28 | timeless_w7ip | unlike some companies |
| 18:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | business considerations tend to fuck up OS architecture |
| 18:28.42 | timeless_w7ip | ponders |
| 18:28.48 | timeless_w7ip | Not necessarily |
| 18:28.56 | timeless_w7ip | I mean, sure, if you're Nokia, they might |
| 18:29.11 | timeless_w7ip | but I don't think Sun's architecture was fucked up due to business considerations |
| 18:29.17 | timeless_w7ip | what was fucked up was their revenue stream |
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| 18:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, bbl |
| 18:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | ->dinner |
| 18:29.44 | timeless_w7ip | And I don't think IBM's OS/2 or other OS's had bad architecture due to business considerations |
| 18:29.55 | timeless_w7ip | agian, they had bad marketting |
| 18:30.02 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLn6yMLTEVg |
| 18:30.09 | timeless_w7ip | MS has even done a reasonable job in that category |
| 18:30.15 | timeless_w7ip | agian, unlike some companies |
| 18:30.33 | timeless_w7ip | but yeah, i like that dinner idea |
| 18:30.57 | timeless_w7ip | As for choosing to support existing software |
| 18:31.09 | timeless_w7ip | Apple does it, Microsoft does it, Sun/Oracle do it |
| 18:31.15 | timeless_w7ip | the only group that doesn't is Linux |
| 18:31.28 | timeless_w7ip | that doesn't make Linux well architected |
| 18:31.32 | timeless_w7ip | it makes Linux fluid |
| 18:31.50 | timeless_w7ip | with the ability to say "we changed our mind, we're going to do something else" |
| 18:32.20 | timeless_w7ip | it also means that Linux is under no obligation to think things out in advance and try to get it right the first or second or third time |
| 18:32.34 | timeless_w7ip | whereas a business which actually has to support things after they ship does try to get things right sooner |
| 18:32.41 | timeless_w7ip | as the cost of failing to do so is much higher |
| 18:34.00 | timeless_w7ip | feel free to ask Symbian about the cost of failing to get things right... |
| 18:34.21 | MohammadAG | 3 billion in R&D? |
| 18:34.32 | timeless_w7ip | EOL |
| 18:34.50 | timeless_w7ip | And a dev base which curses every time it tries to do anything |
| 18:35.13 | MohammadAG | Symbian can do good things |
| 18:35.30 | MohammadAG | I mean, it's the reason I joined maemo.org! |
| 18:35.36 | timeless_w7ip | lol |
| 18:35.50 | timeless_w7ip | symbian has way too many poorly designed (hah) overlapping apis |
| 18:36.02 | timeless_w7ip | and a coding style which people learned to hate (and hated to learn) |
| 18:36.16 | MohammadAG | it made me hate C++ |
| 18:36.17 | timeless_w7ip | i actually like its principles but no one else does |
| 18:36.24 | javispedro | what principles |
| 18:36.41 | MohammadAG | I wanted to try C++ three years ago |
| 18:36.49 | MohammadAG | Carbide C++ didn't make it enjoyable |
| 18:36.52 | javispedro | if you're talking about being microkernelish, I'm in.... |
| 18:36.58 | timeless_w7ip | allocate objects carefully, check for failure, use init methods, properly release |
| 18:37.23 | MohammadAG | I'm surprised how many iOS apps segfault tbh |
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| 18:37.42 | timeless_w7ip | javispedro: i'n quite willing to assume that the symbian kernel doesn't suck |
| 18:37.49 | timeless_w7ip | s/n/m/ |
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| 18:41.51 | RST38h | prays to the Tentacled One |
| 18:42.59 | MohammadAG | who's the tentacled one? |
| 18:43.18 | javispedro | have mercy upon MohammadAG 's soul. |
| 18:43.30 | MohammadAG | wonders why he hated QML - besides it being interpreted |
| 18:43.35 | RST38h | Mohammad: http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e3/Chthulu_office.jpg |
| 18:44.29 | RST38h | The canonical image of the Tentacled One, explaining specifics of OS kernel design to a salaried software engineer. |
| 18:46.24 | zeltak | hya guys. anyone knows of a widget to quickly change profiles? can find a quick way to do so |
| 18:46.50 | lcuk | MohammadAG, n900 video focusing is great, but you have to give it something to focus on - it can do spectacular results |
| 18:47.51 | lcuk | idk how you did not get yours focused for that video! |
| 18:49.32 | timeless_xchat | iirc qml can be compiled... |
| 18:49.37 | MohammadAG | lcuk, that's an N8 |
| 18:49.45 | lcuk | that explains it :P |
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| 18:49.58 | MohammadAG | RST38h, reminds me of south park |
| 18:50.03 | BCMM | zeltak: what's the matter with the default one? too many clicks? |
| 18:50.25 | timeless_xchat | zeltak: what do you mean by profiles? |
| 18:50.27 | BCMM | zeltak: if you want a one-tap toggle between general and silent, use the switcher on the power key menu |
| 18:51.12 | timeless_xchat | there's an addon that lets you add tablet mode to the power menu too fwiw |
| 18:53.09 | zeltak | BCMM: , timeless_xchat thx. and yes using the default one is to many clicks for someone lazy as me :) |
| 18:53.44 | zeltak | timeless_xchat: what is tablet mode? |
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| 18:54.13 | timeless_xchat | two clicks is too lazy? |
| 18:54.30 | MohammadAG | no, it's one press and a click, there's a difference! |
| 18:54.47 | timeless_xchat | you spend 99% of your time at the home screen instead of using an app? |
| 18:54.55 | zeltak | well in 'normal mode' i have to click the task bar>click the profile icon>choose the profle and press done |
| 18:55.07 | timeless_xchat | tablet mode turns off the GSM radio |
| 18:55.17 | timeless_xchat | zeltak : err |
| 18:55.22 | timeless_xchat | press the power key |
| 18:55.34 | timeless_xchat | the thing that you use to turn *on* your n900 |
| 18:55.36 | zeltak | using the 2 click option with the power menu is not bad but dosent work with profilex as far as i can tell |
| 18:55.45 | zeltak | yeah got that , thats a cool trick |
| 18:56.00 | timeless_xchat | wtf is profileX? |
| 18:56.05 | zeltak | only issue it dosent work with proflex (custom proflies) |
| 18:56.10 | timeless_xchat | and see my note about tablet mode |
| 18:56.18 | timeless_xchat | the menu is fully pluggable |
| 18:56.23 | zeltak | kk cool thx guys for the tips :) |
| 18:56.43 | timeless_xchat | so it sounds like you should ask proflex to plug it |
| 18:56.58 | zeltak | yeah good idea :) |
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| 18:58.04 | javispedro | fscking arm stack alignment |
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| 18:58.40 | norayr | !seen trx |
| 18:58.48 | zeltak | btw does anyone know if there is screen or tmux for the n900? |
| 19:00.20 | ShadSEC | zeltak, there is screen on the tools repository, it is not optified, but other than that it works great (for me) |
| 19:00.23 | timeless_xchat | why would you want screen? |
| 19:00.31 | timeless_xchat | just use ssh+screen |
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| 19:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | zeltak: use queenbeecon buttons and execute a dbus-send cmd to set the profile of your choice |
| 19:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | or add several custom menu items of your own design and function to the power-menu |
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| 19:13.39 | zeltak | sounds cool thx |
| 19:14.23 | zeltak | ShadSEC: what do you mean not optified btw? |
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| 19:15.54 | zeltak | DocScrutinizer: can you point me to the documentation on how to chnage profiles through dbus? |
| 19:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | it means it's installed to /usr/bin, not to /opt |
| 19:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | thus eating space on rootfs which is a rare and precious resource |
| 19:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | zeltak: sure |
| 19:16.36 | ShadSEC | zeltak, it takes around 1MB of root filesystem... but you can symlink main binary to other place |
| 19:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 19:16.57 | zeltak | sure thx |
| 19:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | optification is sth you can do yourself |
| 19:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | or add to the optification setiup |
| 19:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_Silent |
| 19:18.41 | zeltak | cool thx DocScrutinizer |
| 19:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | for optification check /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf |
| 19:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | or ask lcuk ;-D |
| 19:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | also read all about optification at : |
| 19:22.42 | ShadSEC | DocScrutinizer, oh... is that a new feature or it was always there? :S |
| 19:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 19:22.43 | infobot | optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
| 19:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | ShadSEC: NFC |
| 19:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | cdate here is 2010-04-15 |
| 19:24.58 | ShadSEC | first time I see that file... I was happy just mv/ln'ing the offenders, but that its pretty interesting, thx! |
| 19:25.45 | MohammadAG | the iPhone has rootfs on eMMC |
| 19:25.52 | MohammadAG | (if it's an eMMC anyway) |
| 19:31.03 | ShadSEC | DocScrutinizer, yep, and I have just checked it is in the backup I did before flashing PR1.3.... :S |
| 19:31.05 | javispedro | ah, this reminds me. |
| 19:32.02 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you're so going to love this: http://lwn.net/Articles/429695/ |
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| 19:32.06 | javispedro | read the second quote. |
| 19:32.09 | kpoman | again hi all :) |
| 19:32.30 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I hope you recognize the guy behind it ;) |
| 19:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAAH |
| 19:33.27 | kpoman | I managed to install nitdroid/gingerbread, it works fine but very slow form a microsd class 4, I want now to install on eMMC, I need to repartition /home to more than 2GB. I read a method using backupmenu and then mounting it on a linux box and using gparted or whatever. However backupmenu refuses to install ! Why ??? |
| 19:33.37 | kpoman | backupmenu: Depends: bootmenu-n900 but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:33.43 | Sc0rpius | it's slow with a Class 6 too |
| 19:33.55 | Sc0rpius | it's slow even if you run it from memory |
| 19:34.02 | Sc0rpius | it's slow, period. Not for everyday use yet,. |
| 19:34.19 | lcuk | gingerbread is good with milk. |
| 19:34.20 | kpoman | Sc0rpius: I heard from emmc it is much faster really |
| 19:34.25 | kpoman | lol |
| 19:34.48 | lcuk | and a crisp tasty apple for afterwards :) |
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| 19:35.16 | kpoman | please someone give me a tip ! just want to install backupmenu on a multiboot configuration ! |
| 19:35.18 | kpoman | help ! |
| 19:35.25 | lcuk | noted Tracy brought home an apply corer today |
| 19:35.38 | lcuk | s/apply/apple/ |
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| 19:37.31 | timeless_xchat | prefers yogurt |
| 19:45.23 | ShadSEC | Have anyone been able to do a fragmentation attack using lxp injection drivers? I am starting to think it is definitely not possible |
| 19:46.04 | ShadSEC | maybe do to it using mac80211 |
| 19:48.18 | jacktheripper | kpoman, you could try this instead of backupmenu -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.236:_Custom_repartitioning_from_a_linux_PC (If it's not too complicated) |
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| 19:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: JESUS HELP ALL OF US! with developers like lennart and mezcalero messing with system init and FHS, the future of linux is *bright* for sure |
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| 19:49.22 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: some good news though: mezcalero and lennart are the same, so there's only one of them! |
| 19:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
| 19:50.16 | pronto | wtf! |
| 19:51.00 | javispedro | mezcalero is his IRC nick or something |
| 19:52.41 | lolcat | javispedro: He fryed his cpu? |
| 19:53.16 | javispedro | wtf? |
| 19:53.23 | lolcat | Just asking |
| 19:53.37 | lolcat | What happened to mezxalero? |
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| 19:54.23 | javispedro | see above lwn.net linkie |
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| 20:03.02 | GAN900 | Does semi-serious rude unpleasentness really pass for humor in Ottawa. . . . |
| 20:04.10 | kpoman | jacktheripper: I dont want to reflash my phone ! that is why I would like to do solution #8 |
| 20:04.31 | kpoman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.238:_The_GUI-Solution_for_arbitrary_size_for_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_using_a_Linux_Live-CD_.28PR1.3_compatible.29 |
| 20:05.23 | jacktheripper | kpoman, you don't reflash your phone. flasher only boots the phone with a meego kernel temporarily (when you reboot, nothing is changed) |
| 20:05.48 | jacktheripper | kpoman, sol #8 might be easier though, when you figure out your problem |
| 20:06.36 | kpoman | jacktheripper: Im on ubuntu and dont have a package called flasher ! |
| 20:06.57 | kpoman | they say to install flash 3.5 ... what is that ? |
| 20:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: Ottawa? |
| 20:08.43 | jacktheripper | it's the program that's used to flash your phone, or in this case make it boot the kernel |
| 20:09.36 | kpoman | jacktheripper: where do I get it for ubuntu ? |
| 20:09.56 | MohammadAG | nicolai outdid himself again http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=966929&postcount=73 |
| 20:10.07 | MohammadAG | I love the press T to turn on flash feature |
| 20:10.08 | jacktheripper | kpoman, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 20:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: multiboot and backupmenu conflict. I told you about multiboot being borked to the bone, and best to avoid it (and avoid nitdroid same thought) |
| 20:10.21 | kpoman | yep I am there but which package ? |
| 20:10.50 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: yep sure but I really wanted to give nitdroid a try ! I did, it worked, but damn slow on microsd |
| 20:10.51 | jacktheripper | kpoman, maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb |
| 20:11.24 | kpoman | yep |
| 20:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: it doesn't change the major fail that is multiboot, and especially uninstalling it |
| 20:11.30 | kpoman | I am getting it, dpkg -i then ? |
| 20:11.36 | jacktheripper | kpoman, yes |
| 20:11.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, ever used an iPhone? |
| 20:12.09 | javispedro | MohammadAG: a few times, why? |
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| 20:12.21 | MohammadAG | javispedro, do you know the slider to turn things on/off? |
| 20:12.35 | javispedro | what would be the check button on gtk? |
| 20:12.37 | kpoman | ok fine let me go further |
| 20:12.49 | MohammadAG | javispedro, would it be doable for 3 items? |
| 20:13.00 | MohammadAG | something similar to that slider |
| 20:13.14 | javispedro | best not to, it would be confusing.. |
| 20:13.23 | MohammadAG | not if done properly :p |
| 20:13.36 | javispedro | has no idea how to do it "properly" then... |
| 20:13.46 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 20:13.53 | javispedro | unless you're thinking a puzzle-like UI with tetris-like pieces |
| 20:14.02 | javispedro | where the slider freely moves inside the T tetris piece |
| 20:14.31 | MohammadAG | umm, sort of |
| 20:14.46 | MohammadAG | basically, something like I-- |
| 20:15.03 | MohammadAG | dragging it would make it show -I- then --I |
| 20:15.32 | kpoman | ok installing rpm2cpio |
| 20:15.42 | MohammadAG | of course, I could use the stock Gtk Slider if there is one, but it looks fugly |
| 20:17.39 | javispedro | not the slider, but we have the selector thing |
| 20:17.54 | MohammadAG | screenshot? |
| 20:17.54 | javispedro | or rather just three state buttons |
| 20:18.07 | MohammadAG | like the 3G/2G applet? |
| 20:18.11 | javispedro | yep.. |
| 20:18.16 | MohammadAG | not that appealing, but they do the job |
| 20:19.01 | javispedro | has not yet entered this today's trendy fashion of ignoring UI guidelines completely... |
| 20:19.06 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, crazy Canadian tourists. |
| 20:19.39 | MohammadAG | javispedro, heh |
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| 20:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: thought you commented on http://lwn.net/Articles/429695/ |
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| 20:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: MohammadAG: (slide to answer) you noticed my prev link to gtkparasite? |
| 20:22.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, but this isn't for slide to answer :) |
| 20:22.21 | MohammadAG | this is for slide to lock orientation |
| 20:22.23 | ZogG | Venemo, pingos |
| 20:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | I know... :-) |
| 20:22.36 | MohammadAG | double checking :) |
| 20:22.38 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yep, crazy stuff. |
| 20:22.42 | Venemo | ZogG: pongos |
| 20:23.04 | ZogG | MohammadAG, hmm, and if totally change lockscreen file |
| 20:23.09 | ZogG | closed one |
| 20:23.16 | ZogG | or answer call file |
| 20:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: looks like a decent base to start tweaking closed source apps, like dialer |
| 20:23.33 | ZogG | i mean you make yours and rename it to the original one and change |
| 20:23.40 | ZogG | Venemo, have you seen? |
| 20:23.48 | Venemo | ZogG, no I haven't seen |
| 20:23.49 | MohammadAG | ZogG, no one can replace the stock dialer properly |
| 20:24.02 | ZogG | MohammadAG, ? |
| 20:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: way too complex |
| 20:24.32 | MohammadAG | maybe if 50 devs started a project... |
| 20:24.37 | ZogG | =( |
| 20:24.42 | MohammadAG | they might end up with a 70% complete replacement |
| 20:25.09 | ZogG | maybe if you took 100 people like me, i do shitty code as Nokia so... |
| 20:25.16 | ZogG | =) |
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| 20:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | hell, even original dialer probably is only 95% complete ;-D |
| 20:25.48 | kpoman | ok that will make me a 16GB fat mydocs, a 8gb ext3 /home, then the rest to play on the near future :) |
| 20:25.55 | kpoman | apply !!! |
| 20:26.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, but compared to the original dialer, the original dialer is 100% complete |
| 20:26.08 | MohammadAG | see what I did there? |
| 20:26.57 | kpoman | jacktheripper:I didnt know about that flasher tool ! quite cool :p |
| 20:27.21 | jacktheripper | kpoman, oh yes it is |
| 20:27.43 | kpoman | jacktheripper: do you know they keep telling that nitdroid partition should be on p2 and of 2gb ? |
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| 20:28.18 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what is the remaining 30%? |
| 20:28.22 | kpoman | or is it just a matter of editing /etc/multiboot entry ? |
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| 20:28.51 | ZogG | MohammadAG, and reverse engineering? =) |
| 20:28.57 | jacktheripper | kpoman, I never followed any instructions installing nitdroid and its working, so I guess no such constraints. I wrote that wiki section myself btw xD |
| 20:29.05 | ZogG | Venemo, do you have time? |
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| 20:30.10 | Venemo | ZogG: well, not exactly. but you can ask and I'll try to answer :) |
| 20:30.33 | Venemo | ZogG, even if I don't have much time, I'll be able to point you to the right direction |
| 20:30.57 | MohammadAG | Veggen, missing stuff :P |
| 20:30.58 | ZogG | look at https://github.com/funkycode/fresh/blob/master/mainwindow.cpp#L91 |
| 20:31.01 | MohammadAG | Venemo, * |
| 20:31.04 | MohammadAG | sorry Veggen |
| 20:31.06 | kpoman | jacktheripper: ok it had a problem while partediting !! lol... I am stuffed up now :p I guess it disconnected then reconnected |
| 20:31.15 | kpoman | still can act on it :) |
| 20:31.17 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ok, but what stuff? |
| 20:31.29 | ZogG | Venemo, and than https://github.com/funkycode/fresh/blob/master/mainwindow.cpp#L348 |
| 20:31.53 | Venemo | ZogG: what's wrong? |
| 20:31.56 | ZogG | the second one actually is callback for change song |
| 20:31.58 | kpoman | move sdb2 to the left and grow from 2gb to 8gb ... doing it again right now ! hope it wont die :p |
| 20:32.06 | ZogG | Venemo, i don't get how to change label from it |
| 20:32.46 | Venemo | ZogG: I already told you that these callback functions are not intended for this |
| 20:33.09 | MohammadAG | Venemo, VOIP would be one thing |
| 20:33.13 | MohammadAG | Emergency calls |
| 20:33.22 | ZogG | Venemo, i used different and they do work |
| 20:33.25 | MohammadAG | integration with contacts |
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| 20:33.38 | lolcat | Emergency calls isn't that vital |
| 20:33.59 | Venemo | ZogG: okay then, I would tell you to check out my code about this... :) |
| 20:34.02 | MohammadAG | yeah, sure |
| 20:34.09 | ZogG | looking now |
| 20:34.20 | kpoman | I wonder why the flasher initrd kernel is 2.6.33 and the device is 2.6.28 :( |
| 20:34.23 | Venemo | ZogG: but basically, xmmsc_result_notifier_set_and_unref(res, on_playlist_pos_changed, NULL); ---> instead of NULL, give it the this pointer, and then use it to manipulate the instance. |
| 20:34.45 | ZogG | which pointer? |
| 20:34.48 | Venemo | ZogG: this |
| 20:35.12 | ZogG | don't get how to use it than |
| 20:35.20 | ZogG | wait looking thru your code |
| 20:35.56 | Venemo | ZogG: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/y0dddwwd%28v=VS.100%29.aspx |
| 20:36.45 | slonopotamus | msdn links on this channel? no wai |
| 20:37.15 | MohammadAG | hmm, I wonder if QML can be compiled in one binary with Qt apps |
| 20:37.44 | Venemo | slonopotamus: it's a good explanation on the C++ this pointer |
| 20:37.56 | Venemo | MohammadAG: achipa said yes it can be |
| 20:38.05 | ZogG | Venemo, so but if i do use my callback in the way you use xmms2connector |
| 20:38.29 | ZogG | Venemo, i just do not connect it Qt4 way but C way |
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| 20:38.33 | Venemo | ZogG: best way to do this: send me your code, and I'll put it together in the right way |
| 20:38.51 | ZogG | Venemo, it's in the link i showed |
| 20:39.19 | Venemo | okay ZogG |
| 20:39.38 | achipa | MohammadAG: QML, just like any other file can be embedded in resource files (-> binary) |
| 20:40.08 | MohammadAG | ah, as a resource |
| 20:40.10 | MohammadAG | cool, thanks |
| 20:40.57 | Venemo | achipa: how can it be actually compiled (not embedding the qml file, but compiling it to imperative code) -> is this even possible? |
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| 20:42.02 | Venemo | ZogG: please delete the .pro.user file from git |
| 20:42.10 | ZogG | Venemo, why? |
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| 20:42.36 | Venemo | ZogG: because it contains machine specific settings. My Qt Creator ends up deleting it |
| 20:43.28 | MohammadAG | delete it from git, then add it to .gitignore |
| 20:44.10 | Venemo | or just don't commit it |
| 20:44.21 | bef0rd | goign to try cssu |
| 20:44.41 | ZogG | Venemo, ok |
| 20:44.48 | MohammadAG | Venemo, nah, always leaves a chance to have it in there |
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| 20:44.59 | MohammadAG | actually, blacklisting all *.pro.* is better |
| 20:46.02 | Venemo | ZogG: your app hmm... well it gives me this: * xmmsc_io_out_handle was called without pending output * This is probably an error in the application using libxmmsclient |
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| 20:46.44 | Venemo | ZogG: how can you tell that your callbacks are working correctly? |
| 20:47.18 | kpoman | ok now moving android to emmc :) cool ! everything works ! |
| 20:47.31 | Venemo | kpoman: even da fone? |
| 20:47.34 | kpoman | and I got a 8g /home now :) |
| 20:47.45 | kpoman | not the phone :p just repartitioned my /home to 8g |
| 20:47.58 | kpoman | and copy my gingerbread to that path |
| 20:48.09 | kpoman | seems it is much much faster on it |
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| 20:49.19 | Venemo | who the hell wants to use horseshit like android instead of maemo? |
| 20:49.49 | kpoman | now editing the multiboot entry |
| 20:49.57 | kpoman | Venemo: it is just for the fun dude ! |
| 20:50.14 | Venemo | ZogG: which one is the callback that is supposed to change the label? |
| 20:50.18 | Venemo | kpoman: android is unfun |
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| 20:51.42 | kpoman | mmm it is fun having a multiboot phone ! btw I will try meego too, and now easy debian will run better on its own partition |
| 20:52.18 | derf | Venemo: Apparently there are people out there who don't want to spend weeks hacking up their phone to get it to do what they want. |
| 20:52.23 | derf | Crazy I know. |
| 20:52.59 | Venemo | derf: well N900 does what I OOB |
| 20:53.06 | Venemo | derf: well N900 does what I want, OOB |
| 20:53.55 | ZogG | Venemo, i do not have callback for that i have one that calls on_playback_cur_track_changed as song is changed |
| 20:53.58 | derf | Maybe you are the one who's crazy. |
| 20:54.16 | Venemo | ZogG: so that is the one, okay |
| 20:54.29 | Venemo | derf: why am I crazy? |
| 20:54.53 | phap | omg what a crap movie |
| 20:56.00 | kpoman | Ok lets see if it is better now ! reboot the phone ! |
| 20:56.26 | phap | did it happen to anyone here when you have the homescreen selector then you switch to let's say #8 you can't open any shortcut menu on the desktop. Before this you have to scroll a bit the desktop and then it works... |
| 20:56.27 | ZogG | phap, which one? |
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| 20:56.46 | phap | It's all about love (2003) I gave it up at half |
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| 20:57.14 | ZogG | phap, i think i saw it |
| 20:57.41 | phap | A kind of SF movie full of nonsense |
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| 21:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf, seems we must pepare to see 4 core meltdowns at least, in Japan |
| 21:06.24 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it is an extremely bad sequence of events |
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| 21:07.04 | SpeedEvil | Core meltdowns alone aren't that bad. |
| 21:07.26 | SpeedEvil | They are horrible to dissasemble - but they don't of themselves imply large radioactive release to the environment |
| 21:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly hope it won't result in Japan vanishing as a nation, and that the world will change due to re-evaluating value of fission power |
| 21:08.51 | SpeedEvil | That's utter hyperbole. Even worst case accidents releasing all the cores wouldn't kill everyone. |
| 21:09.24 | derf | Dropping two nuclear bombs on the country didn't make Japan vanish as a nation. |
| 21:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: either you get that radioactive gue in groundwater, or you get an enormous steam and also hydrogen explosion sprading it all around and possibly even entering jetstream level |
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| 21:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | contamination and evacuation of >50% of the area, plus no more electric power (which is dependent virtually exclusively on nuklear plants in Japan) wouldn't make the island vanish, but I doubt we'd call the result Japan anymore |
| 21:13.08 | cehteh | anyone ordered a new toyota? .. guess that order will be a bit delayed |
| 21:14.09 | Venemo | ZogG: 1) if you want to make an application like this, separate the UI from the actual program logic |
| 21:14.30 | Venemo | ZogG: 2) try to adopt and follow a coding style |
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| 21:15.54 | ZogG | Venemo, what for did you use typedef struct xmmsv_St xmmsv_t; ? |
| 21:16.55 | Venemo | ZogG: because I did not want to include that ugly c header in my own header, therefore I typedeffed that for myself |
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| 21:20.04 | ZogG | Venemo, what ugly header? |
| 21:20.30 | Venemo | ZogG: #include <xmms2/xmmsclient/xmmsclient.h> |
| 21:21.46 | Venemo | ZogG: read about the SoC principle |
| 21:22.28 | ZogG | damn i should learn before starting |
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| 21:22.44 | ZogG | but let's try to understand it that way |
| 21:24.09 | Venemo | ZogG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns |
| 21:24.14 | Venemo | ZogG: read that article |
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| 21:36.48 | Venemo | ZogG: also, in a Qt app, use qDebug() instead of printf |
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| 21:42.11 | MohammadAG | how do I check if an object was initialized? |
| 21:42.26 | MohammadAG | if (objectName) is always returning true |
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| 21:43.01 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what do you mean by initialized? |
| 21:43.13 | MohammadAG | It's not a null object |
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| 21:43.31 | Venemo | MohammadAG: well, initialize it to 0 at the beginning |
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| 21:43.54 | Venemo | MohammadAG: or you can use a QPointer if the object is a QObject |
| 21:44.04 | MohammadAG | it is |
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| 21:44.55 | kpoman | ok problems ! lol my nitdroid boots and tells me Guru meditation and segmentation fault errors. |
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| 21:45.46 | MohammadAG | initializing it to 0 worked, thanks Veggen |
| 21:45.48 | MohammadAG | Venemo* |
| 21:45.53 | MohammadAG | sorry again Veggen :/ |
| 21:46.45 | Venemo | MohammadAG: is your irc client crap? |
| 21:47.10 | MohammadAG | no, n comes after g |
| 21:47.24 | Veggen | (no problem, Mohammed :) |
| 21:49.10 | Venemo | MohammadAG: umm. if I press M<Tab>, mine autocompletes to the last nickname who wrote something and begins with M |
| 21:49.56 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 21:50.07 | MohammadAG | not sure if XChat does that |
| 21:52.07 | Venemo | MohammadAG: oh. so the answer to my question is yes |
| 21:52.32 | Sc0rpius | Xchat does not do that, mIRC autocompletion is way better |
| 21:52.36 | Venemo | ZogG: okay, I managed to get your code up and running correctly |
| 21:52.42 | Sc0rpius | actually mIRC is better in all aspects except it doesn't run on Linux |
| 21:52.45 | Venemo | I use Konversation, it is excellent |
| 21:53.06 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# du -h /root/mediaplayer.bc5c5b5a10377a360354ff2ab641c1dc |
| 21:53.06 | MohammadAG | 12.5M/root/mediaplayer.bc5c5b5a10377a360354ff2ab641c1dc |
| 21:53.13 | MohammadAG | <3 debug builds |
| 21:53.34 | Venemo | lool |
| 21:55.05 | ZogG | Venemo, how? |
| 21:55.13 | MohammadAG | does QML use the SGX by default? |
| 21:55.23 | MohammadAG | I remember alterego talked about some OpenGL support |
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| 21:56.03 | ZogG | Venemo, can you look up into the repo to see waht i did |
| 21:56.07 | ZogG | it doesn't compile |
| 21:56.16 | ZogG | but i used your style |
| 21:56.38 | Venemo | ZogG: I cloned your repo when you asked me and a minute ago I solved it. |
| 21:57.30 | ZogG | up the code please |
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| 21:57.37 | Venemo | ZogG: I'm cleaning it up right now |
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| 22:05.14 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, sorry i got timeout |
| 22:05.27 | ZogG_laptop | 1) can u up it |
| 22:05.52 | ZogG_laptop | 2) can u check what i did wrong (rewritted it)] |
| 22:06.01 | ZogG_laptop | rewrote* |
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| 22:09.42 | MohammadAG | oh dear |
| 22:09.43 | MohammadAG | qrc:/entertainmentview.qml:138:9: QML Image: Cannot open: qrc:/home/user/.cache/media-art/album-7215ee9c7d9dc229d2921a40e899ec5f-6125f3f0367e2f34fc2656b572605d7d.jpeg |
| 22:10.09 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, found error |
| 22:11.30 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: k |
| 22:11.50 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, can u up ur version |
| 22:11.56 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes, where? |
| 22:12.12 | ZogG_laptop | anywhere u can |
| 22:12.28 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok |
| 22:14.41 | ezisto | hello folks |
| 22:15.39 | ezisto | is there a way to get an android app to work under maemo ? |
| 22:16.15 | ZogG_laptop | google for alien dalvik |
| 22:16.21 | MohammadAG | alien dalvik, unreleased |
| 22:16.51 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok, uploading |
| 22:17.15 | ezisto | yeah i couldnt find it any where |
| 22:17.27 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: http://venemo.net/temp/fresh.zip |
| 22:18.22 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: please upload this to git |
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| 22:19.15 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: short description: if you want to add an XMMS-related feature, then add it to Xmms2Connector, and then connect that to the GUI |
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| 22:19.36 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: NEVER, EVER add such code to the GUI layer - it just makes your code unreadable and hard to follow or debug |
| 22:20.06 | ZogG_laptop | u mean one i did now? |
| 22:20.39 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: 'u'? |
| 22:20.56 | ZogG_laptop | i uploaded something new |
| 22:21.11 | Venemo | based on my code? |
| 22:22.03 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes, I see you did something similar |
| 22:22.09 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: now please, use my Xmms2Connector |
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| 22:22.40 | ezisto | thank you guys for the file |
| 22:22.47 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: it sends proper Qt signals and does a lot of other things :) |
| 22:23.08 | ezisto | but one more thing.. is it a Qt application ? |
| 22:23.09 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, does it make coffee? |
| 22:23.17 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: of course |
| 22:23.50 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, i did it based on your old files |
| 22:23.57 | ZogG_laptop | so i'm learning a little bit |
| 22:24.02 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: re-base on my new ones |
| 22:24.16 | ezisto | and do i need Qt installed in order to launch it ? |
| 22:24.32 | ZogG_laptop | ok i'll so it tomorrow, anyway noone follows my repo now =) |
| 22:24.50 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: do it now |
| 22:24.54 | ZogG_laptop | haha |
| 22:25.00 | ZogG_laptop | why so hurry |
| 22:25.08 | MohammadAG | Guru Meditation: XID: 1281492756 |
| 22:25.11 | ZogG_laptop | i just wanted to read it first properly |
| 22:25.14 | MohammadAG | sighs at gitorious |
| 22:25.14 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: well, _I_ hurried for you. :P |
| 22:25.18 | ZogG_laptop | ok |
| 22:25.21 | ZogG_laptop | i'll do |
| 22:25.24 | ZogG_laptop | i'll do |
| 22:25.35 | ZogG_laptop | ezisto, u better not use it for now |
| 22:26.44 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: also, it can now refresh your label and everything |
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| 22:27.09 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: look at the code of the callbacks if you want to know how :) |
| 22:27.49 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: also, NEVER use global variables for such a purpose as you did |
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| 22:28.50 | Zero_Dogg | Can the n810 use some form of external wireless dongle? My n810 reboots whenever the wlan is used (ie. when the connection manager scans for networks) |
| 22:29.14 | Venemo | Zero_Dogg: try a reflash |
| 22:29.29 | ezisto | okay thank you anyway |
| 22:29.41 | Zero_Dogg | Venemo: done that, several times. Doesn't change anything |
| 22:30.07 | Venemo | Zero_Dogg: well then either take it to the repair centre or find a dongle that it can support with its host mode :) |
| 22:30.26 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, i almost was there, just needed to add this instead of NULL and i didn't know how to declare static functions in *.h now i know |
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| 22:30.43 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, backed up mine so i can see the differences |
| 22:30.51 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok, don't worry :) |
| 22:31.03 | ZogG_laptop | Writing objects: 100% (8/8), 1.76 KiB, done. |
| 22:31.03 | ZogG_laptop | Total 8 (delta 6), reused 0 (delta 0) |
| 22:31.05 | Zero_Dogg | Venemo: nod, warranty on it is up, so could probably buy a used one for less than the repairs would cost. I do have Linux compatible usb dongles, but I'm guessing the n810's kernel probably doesn't ship with the modules |
| 22:31.20 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, actually i tryed it before like that when it was in one file |
| 22:31.38 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: the this pointer is then passed to the user_data of the callbacks, so you can access an instance of the object from there |
| 22:31.55 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: then it emits a signal which is picked up by the slot at the main window |
| 22:32.04 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and in that slot, I change the text of the label |
| 22:32.46 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and note that those are static functions of a class, and not just static functions |
| 22:33.03 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: this means that they can access the private members of the class |
| 22:33.22 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I also recommend you to learn some OOP and C++ :) |
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| 22:34.20 | ZogG_laptop | but this NULL and static thing ruined it as i declared those functions under private slots and got error with xmmsc_result_notifier_set |
| 22:34.29 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, but i need to change ur code now too |
| 22:34.37 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what do you need in it? |
| 22:34.41 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, as u still used asynced method |
| 22:35.08 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok, feel free to change it. :) |
| 22:35.15 | ZogG_laptop | i need to polish the way u get info and change xmmsc_result_wait |
| 22:35.43 | ZogG_laptop | now i need to sleep as i woke up in 5 hours and still didn't took shower |
| 22:35.52 | ZogG_laptop | thanks man |
| 22:36.03 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, okay. if you have a problem or question, just ask :) |
| 22:36.46 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, when and if i'll finish kinda useable version 0.0.0.0.0.1-alpha i would need help to make widget (it would be easier just relaying on existing code of program) |
| 22:36.56 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: what widget? |
| 22:36.57 | ZogG_laptop | and again man, many many thanks |
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| 22:37.57 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you're welcome :) |
| 22:38.22 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, a lt of things i just learn from how u did it |
| 22:38.40 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I'm happy for you :) |
| 22:38.49 | ZogG_laptop | i mean there are things i dunno how to do or that i can do, and than i see the solution and i do understand for next time |
| 22:39.00 | ZogG_laptop | but still i'm slow learner =( |
| 22:39.12 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: no problem. I had lots of trouble when I learned C++ |
| 22:39.23 | Arkenoi | wow, surprised to know batteries "bigger than original" capacity do exist, i thought all of those are fake |
| 22:39.38 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: also, I had lots of trouble some time later when I learned Qt |
| 22:39.41 | ZogG_laptop | they are bigger in all meanings |
| 22:39.53 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so if I can help others to suffer less than I did, I'm happy :) |
| 22:39.54 | ZogG_laptop | i know a little bit C and no Qt |
| 22:39.59 | Venemo | Arkenoi: which one is not fake? |
| 22:40.02 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: no problem |
| 22:40.11 | Venemo | [23:33] <Venemo> ZogG_laptop: I also recommend you to learn some OOP and C++ :) |
| 22:40.36 | ZogG_laptop | i have friend he is just getting it from code, he even doesn't need to read manuals sometimes |
| 22:40.40 | ZogG_laptop | he is quicklearner |
| 22:40.48 | ZogG_laptop | but he never share even his programs |
| 22:40.57 | ZogG_laptop | he just doesn't care |
| 22:41.08 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: my father once said, the more you learn, the faster you can learn :) |
| 22:41.15 | Arkenoi | venemo: "scud" from aliexpress, said to be 1510 (even more than claimed 1450) |
| 22:41.17 | ZogG_laptop | but he is more like python+gtk+c guy |
| 22:41.27 | Arkenoi | err, claimed 1420 |
| 22:41.43 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, do u know java? |
| 22:41.44 | Arkenoi | there is thread on tmo |
| 22:42.08 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: java? NO! I only know a single joke about java |
| 22:42.17 | Venemo | Arkenoi: link please? |
| 22:42.28 | ZogG_laptop | bad, found pretty program for android |
| 22:42.34 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: why do all java programmers wear glasses? |
| 22:42.35 | ZogG_laptop | it is based on C program |
| 22:42.43 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, dunnp |
| 22:42.49 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: because they don't C#! |
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| 22:42.54 | ZogG_laptop | hahah |
| 22:43.11 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: as in C# [see sharp] |
| 22:43.30 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I'm a C# / .NET developer too. or rather, I was before I started with Qt :) |
| 22:44.10 | ZogG_laptop | aso this program is based on program on C that is ported to maemo it can be built with qt4 or qpe or gpe or gtk and android uses it just to make more userfriendly gui |
| 22:44.10 | Venemo | MohammadAG: we were talking about wrapper classes earlier, remember? |
| 22:44.22 | Venemo | MohammadAG: the Xmms2Connector class I wrote for ZogG_laptop is a good example of a wrapper |
| 22:44.26 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, yeah i got it |
| 22:44.37 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: okay then :) |
| 22:44.50 | Arkenoi | Venemo, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
| 22:44.54 | Venemo | thx Arkenoi |
| 22:44.55 | ZogG_laptop | anyway CYA |
| 22:44.59 | ZogG_laptop | gnight |
| 22:45.03 | Venemo | bb ZogG_laptop, sleep well |
| 22:45.16 | MohammadAG | Venemo, I wrote MafwPlaylistAdapter :) |
| 22:45.39 | Venemo | MohammadAG: :):):) |
| 22:45.50 | Arkenoi | time to order new battery anyways, mine is one year old |
| 22:46.06 | Venemo | Arkenoi: please do tell me if it's really any better than the original one |
| 22:46.22 | Arkenoi | yep, i really hope so :-) |
| 22:46.37 | ZogG_laptop | is it bigger? |
| 22:46.39 | ZogG_laptop | i mean size |
| 22:46.50 | Arkenoi | nope, the size is similar |
| 22:46.55 | ZogG_laptop | good |
| 22:47.11 | Venemo | Arkenoi, so it fits into the N900 without adding more bulkiness? that's good |
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| 22:47.14 | ZogG_laptop | and it's 1510 when original is ... |
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| 22:47.28 | ZogG_laptop | ? |
| 22:48.15 | Arkenoi | 1350 |
| 22:48.26 | ZogG_laptop | not bad |
| 22:48.42 | ZogG_laptop | +- more 4-6 hours on regular usage i assume |
| 22:48.43 | Venemo | the original is not 1350 |
| 22:49.23 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, than original is ? |
| 22:51.35 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: mine is 1320 |
| 22:52.39 | Arkenoi | ah, maybe 1320 |
| 22:53.17 | Arkenoi | anyways, 1510 means a few extra hours you may need so desperately sometimes |
| 22:54.51 | Venemo | yeah :) |
| 22:55.22 | lolcat | Arkenoi: A bigger battery? Where? |
| 22:55.39 | Arkenoi | lolcat, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
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| 22:55.53 | lolcat | 23:40 <@arcade> Ymgve: Forøvrig, jeg ville tatt Nils Bøhmer i bellone med fem klyper salt. Ikke at det han sier er galt, men det er litt .. opphausset. |
| 22:55.59 | lolcat | sorry |
| 22:56.06 | lolcat | Accidental paste |
| 22:56.17 | strunz | good evening :-) |
| 22:56.26 | Venemo | good evening strunz |
| 22:57.00 | strunz | i`ve a question about n900 and maemo |
| 22:59.13 | strunz | when i start sygic mm10 it crashes on n900 |
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| 23:00.11 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 23:00.25 | jacekowski | because you've got pirated version |
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| 23:01.05 | strunz | no, i bought it from a distributor |
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| 23:01.56 | strunz | http://direkt.jacob-computer.de/_artnr_756468.html?status=1&SID= |
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| 23:07.30 | ezisto | Venemo: could you please tell me how to run that fresh on n900, i will be thankful if you show me how :) |
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| 23:09.16 | lolcat | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/367257966-Lithium-ion-battery-Nokia-BL-5J-for-5230-5800XM-5233-N900-1420mAh-Free-Shipping-by-EMS-wholesalers.html |
| 23:09.29 | lolcat | This is it? I have to buy three of them? |
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| 23:11.34 | cehteh | i'd take one :) |
| 23:11.56 | lolcat | I should order 1000, then they are sick cheap |
| 23:12.19 | lolcat | Then I just need a charger |
| 23:12.34 | lolcat | If I have 4 batteries it is ez to replace them while doing stuff |
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| 23:14.12 | cehteh | where are you that it is hard to get replacement batteries? ... i can just pick one up at the next mobile shop here |
| 23:14.43 | lolcat | cehteh: I wanted the one with 1500mAH |
| 23:15.00 | lolcat | My phone is @ Nokia for repair of the USB port I think |
| 23:15.04 | cehteh | well .. me too .. but ... its just a sticker :) |
| 23:15.07 | SpeedEvil | I can sell you one marked as 2500mAh |
| 23:15.14 | cehteh | hehe |
| 23:15.47 | cehteh | anyone of you has the equipment to reliable measure battery charge? DocScrutinizer dont you have an electronics lab? |
| 23:16.03 | lolcat | cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
| 23:16.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: rudimentary |
| 23:16.34 | cehteh | ah nice |
| 23:16.44 | jacekowski | cehteh: how do you define battery charge |
| 23:17.23 | jacekowski | amount of energy you can pull from battery before it cannot be recharged back to like 95% of previous capacity |
| 23:17.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: why? |
| 23:17.42 | cehteh | jacekowski: mAh or mWh ... there are ways to measure it |
| 23:17.43 | strunz | n8 |
| 23:17.46 | jacekowski | or amount of energy you can pull from battery before device it's powering shuts down on low voltage |
| 23:17.54 | cehteh | yes |
| 23:18.13 | jacekowski | cehteh: but mAh or mWh don't tell you when you stop your measurments |
| 23:18.14 | cehteh | well if you want you can measure the joules ... but thats a bit inconvinent |
| 23:18.30 | cehteh | jacekowski: well within design limits of the device |
| 23:18.54 | cehteh | when you know that it shuts down at 3.2 volts then you just programm your testing equiment the same way |
| 23:19.05 | jacekowski | at what current? |
| 23:19.55 | cehteh | whatever .. some 'typical' for the device .. the current you draw isnt really much critical |
| 23:20.17 | jacekowski | it is |
| 23:20.25 | jacekowski | battery capacity changes with current you pull |
| 23:20.32 | jacekowski | less current you pull more energy you can get |
| 23:20.35 | cehteh | not that much |
| 23:20.39 | cehteh | not with liion |
| 23:20.42 | jacekowski | BS |
| 23:21.02 | cehteh | well i am not talking about shorten it |
| 23:21.16 | jacekowski | if you have 1Ah liiion and pull 1A from it and pull 100mA from it |
| 23:21.25 | jacekowski | you will get like 50% more from it at 100mA |
| 23:21.40 | cehteh | heh .. source? |
| 23:21.58 | jacekowski | my own measurments |
| 23:22.13 | cehteh | 1A on a phone battery is quite much anyways |
| 23:22.37 | jacekowski | it's not |
| 23:22.41 | jacekowski | N900 pulls like 2A peak |
| 23:22.52 | cehteh | if you pull 100mA vs 250mA then you wont see much difference |
| 23:22.59 | cehteh | peak yes .. for short times |
| 23:23.07 | cehteh | not for 1hr :) |
| 23:23.08 | jacekowski | 1A when playing games |
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| 23:23.25 | jacekowski | if you use mobile hot spot |
| 23:23.35 | cehteh | anyways .. i am about comparing batteries with each other .. |
| 23:23.41 | jacekowski | everything is getting warm |
| 23:23.54 | jacekowski | and it discharges my battery in like 40-50 minutes |
| 23:24.06 | jacekowski | which is about right for almost 2A |
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| 23:24.39 | lolcat | I think I will order three scud batteries with 1510mAh |
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| 23:26.30 | Venemo | ezisto, well, I haven't tried |
| 23:26.47 | Venemo | ezisto, but, since you don't have xmms2 on your N900, you probably won't be able to use it |
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| 23:38.18 | villager | a 50% power loss at 1A sounds like the battery has an internal resistance of 3-4 ohms... |
| 23:39.30 | jacekowski | yeah, |
| 23:39.35 | jacekowski | try that on used battery |
| 23:39.38 | jacekowski | not fresh one |
| 23:47.14 | ShadowJK | 3-4 ohms sounds excessive |
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| 23:47.54 | ShadowJK | BL-5J should be closer to .1 |
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| 23:57.53 | jacekowski | fresh one |
| 23:58.09 | jacekowski | use it for couple months and it will be around 1 |
| 23:58.53 | SpeedEvil | The modem 'hard' powers off at around 3.2V IIRC |
| 23:59.13 | SpeedEvil | It needs to be able to draw nearly 2A and stay above this. |
| 23:59.25 | SpeedEvil | To supply pulses. |
| 23:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | hey, still with batteries? |
| 23:59.46 | ShadowJK | hm, mine stops working at around 3v |
| 23:59.59 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - around - I'm unsure of exact. |
