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| 00:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: pressure in turbine containment >2* ABS MAX. Venting impossible, not enough power left over to operate the valves |
| 00:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | evacuation radius extended from 3km to 10km |
| 00:19.23 | SpeedEvil | Eeek. |
| 00:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | radiation in control room 1000* normal |
| 00:19.38 | SpeedEvil | cues the 'brave sir Robin' song. |
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| 00:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | CNN swaggers about concrete containments, enormous safeguard system in Japan's nuke plants, and about not even a core meltdown is a really severe thing, ""as you can see looking at 3 miles island"" |
| 00:24.09 | SpeedEvil | In some ways that's right. Done right. |
| 00:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 00:31.05 | DrGrov | So, Japan could actually stand a core meltdown? |
| 00:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | funny Japanese can't react on events directly, as everything has to get reported up to minister of energy or whatever, and when he says "OK, throw that switch" then they can do. Then report back "switch blocked, shall we use secondary switch?" |
| 00:32.46 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, that is funny |
| 00:33.03 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Not when happening disasters etc. but otherwise. |
| 00:33.35 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Did you get any sources on that CNN about the plants and a core meltdown is not a severe thing? |
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| 00:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear.plants.qanda/index.html?hpt=T2 |
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| 00:42.38 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Thank you, will read it |
| 00:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | actually you shouldn't - it's directly from Siemens marketing nonsense |
| 00:43.26 | merlin1991 | officially hates cmake in scratchbox |
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| 00:45.35 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: How do you mean? |
| 00:45.54 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Is there any risk of any radioactive waste landing in Europe? |
| 00:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: I don't agree with the generally pro-nuklear notion in that CNN article |
| 00:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: I think it's not objective |
| 00:47.03 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I see. So no risk for Europe in this case? Apparently no new Chernobyl? |
| 00:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | nobody knows |
| 00:47.53 | DrGrov | Yes of course. There is always a chance that it might get into Europe as well that radioactive waste. |
| 00:52.44 | villager | regardless of bias, I do believe the modern japanese knows how to build safer nuclear plants than the russians were back then |
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| 00:55.19 | merlin1991 | I'm lost atm, where do app icons and .desktop files go /usr/share/applictions/hildon and /usr/share/icons/hicolor... or the folders in /opt/maemo |
| 00:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | is all for 1 day of downtime for every minute of delay between the moment *any* remarkable incident is happening in a nuklear power plant, and the moment this info is propagated to the authorities (at least 3 independent entities, like local fireguard, district emergency management, ministry) |
| 00:56.21 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: there's no need to limit that to nuclear power plants though |
| 00:56.33 | Corsac | chemical industry, petrol raffineries, whatever |
| 00:56.36 | merlin1991 | anyone care to enlight me? |
| 00:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | true |
| 00:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: depends. If your icon is significantly larger than a symlink (which it regularly is), then it goes to /opt and gets symlinked from /usr/share |
| 00:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: at least that's my take on it |
| 00:59.17 | ZogG_work | Venemo: where are you from? |
| 00:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: don't ask me though if this auto-optification thingie is doing that for you |
| 00:59.40 | ZogG_work | i see you mostly at nights around here |
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| 01:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ auxiliary cooling system down in a second reactor block |
| 01:04.28 | Venemo | ZogG_work: Hungary |
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| 01:05.23 | Venemo | ZogG_work: and you? |
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| 01:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I'm infected by a heretical idea - powerkernel for meego |
| 01:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | on N900-maemo we got the neutered kernel Nokia flavoured for us. On N900-meego we see a similar problem, as the meego paradigm seems still forbids a lot of desirable hacks that never will go upstream. E.G. hostmode, proper drivers for LP5523-LYSTII LED driver, LIS302 accelerometer etc |
| 01:36.44 | erstazi | DocScrutinizer: have you used the power kernel for maemo? |
| 01:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | The particular issues are quite different, almost diametrically opposite, to what we see on maemo kernel. Still the overall rationale justifying a powerkernel feels similar |
| 01:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | erstazi: well, I'm supposed to, don't you think? :-D |
| 01:37.24 | erstazi | DocScrutinizer: haha |
| 01:37.27 | erstazi | DocScrutinizer: joshing you |
| 01:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | at very least to check if h-e-n got properly integrated |
| 01:38.27 | merlin1991 | applied for extras-devel upload rights :) |
| 01:43.00 | ZogG_work | Venemo: Israel |
| 01:43.48 | ZogG_work | Venemo: wanted to ask, if i have static int func, where do i anounce it in class in *.h file ? |
| 01:44.10 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer: oh and you too here, do you ever sleep guys? |
| 01:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I can't. every 30 min some fool is highlighting and asking me if I'm asleep ;-P |
| 01:46.45 | ZogG_work | haha so u are saying you are connected to computer and get electric shock on every highlight? |
| 01:46.46 | merlin1991 | highlights DocScrutinizer for the lulz |
| 01:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | duh, tsunami hit California shore now? |
| 01:52.01 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I am watching CNN International and it sure seems like a tsunami has hit the California shore |
| 01:52.42 | ZogG_work | yeah |
| 01:52.50 | ZogG_work | we getting close to 2012 |
| 01:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
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| 01:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | maya calendar? |
| 01:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | or was it Aztec |
| 01:54.01 | ZogG_work | dead world calendar |
| 01:54.08 | DrGrov | Just happy not live anywhere where there is a risk for a tsunami |
| 01:54.16 | DrGrov | Finland is a safe place for nature disasters |
| 01:54.19 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer: it was google calendar |
| 01:54.28 | DrGrov | Hope all well for the Japanese people |
| 01:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | err, they are facing ~3 core meltdowns in their nuclear powerplants |
| 01:55.09 | ZogG_work | If i was japanese i would sent some nuces to you. it's all about sharing |
| 01:55.37 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: One more and they'd have a quad |
| 01:56.40 | ZogG_work | lolcat: yeah they are bleding-edge |
| 01:58.50 | dangergrrl | don't have to worry much in central texas about natural disasters |
| 01:58.59 | dangergrrl | the tornados stop north of here |
| 01:59.06 | n900evil | DrGrov: volcanos, earthquake, flash flood, fire. |
| 01:59.18 | dangergrrl | too far inland for hurricanes to be a major problem |
| 01:59.42 | dangergrrl | grew up with hurricanes, those are intense |
| 01:59.53 | dangergrrl | great reason to have a party and get trashed |
| 02:00.11 | n900evil | Most harsh weather here is -20C some winters. |
| 02:00.17 | dangergrrl | brrr |
| 02:00.45 | dangergrrl | i prefer colorado |
| 02:00.49 | dangergrrl | but i'm here for now |
| 02:00.52 | n900evil | -14 is more common few nights a year temp. |
| 02:01.48 | dangergrrl | it was -28C one morning last year when i was in denver |
| 02:01.52 | dangergrrl | that was brutal |
| 02:02.31 | dangergrrl | it was also not fun when we got 1m of snow in 24 hours :) |
| 02:02.46 | ZogG_work | n900evil: than u are not evil |
| 02:03.12 | dangergrrl | maybe they have an evil n900 :) |
| 02:03.21 | dangergrrl | i'm beginning to think mine could be possessed |
| 02:03.24 | ZogG_work | haha |
| 02:03.30 | ZogG_work | watching swordfish |
| 02:03.38 | dangergrrl | it's made me flash it twice |
| 02:03.38 | n900evil | 1m in 24h would be bad. |
| 02:03.56 | n900evil | Swordfish has two good points. |
| 02:03.58 | dangergrrl | ok, the first time i know what i did wrong |
| 02:04.19 | dangergrrl | the second time i was sure i did it right and it crashed even wierder |
| 02:05.26 | dangergrrl | i'm gonna try again later a little different |
| 02:06.09 | dangergrrl | i hate it when i try to do something myself my own way and i break something |
| 02:06.31 | ZogG_work | n900evil: like? |
| 02:07.05 | n900evil | ZogG_work: On Ms Berry. |
| 02:07.25 | ZogG_work | i don't remember the movie |
| 02:07.35 | ZogG_work | that's why i rewatch it |
| 02:08.35 | psycho_oreos | swordfish was lame movie |
| 02:09.21 | ZogG_work | psycho_oreos: you are lame |
| 02:09.38 | psycho_oreos | ZogG_work, I know you are |
| 02:09.49 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer: wake up |
| 02:10.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | GRRRRRRR |
| 02:10.02 | ZogG_work | tell him i'm awesome |
| 02:10.14 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 02:10.26 | psycho_oreos | failbus |
| 02:12.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | California: 1 person missed, damage of up to $2M, after first tsunami reaching the shore |
| 02:13.11 | ZogG_work | haha i like the way he types |
| 02:13.32 | ZogG_work | i know people who types like that |
| 02:13.39 | ZogG_work | but they acvtually type things |
| 02:13.57 | ZogG_work | and all hsit he is doing is stupid |
| 02:15.23 | ZogG_work | how do you crack something when u have only login and he somehowe gets to console to crack 128 bit encryption with even no bruteforce |
| 02:16.37 | ZogG_work | haha now i got it |
| 02:16.47 | ZogG_work | the hackers family name was torvalds |
| 02:16.58 | ZogG_work | and he is Finish |
| 02:16.59 | ZogG_work | lol |
| 02:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: sounds fun. |
| 02:18.40 | ZogG_work | it's obv, this person just took 2M$ and ran away |
| 02:19.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: what exactly? |
| 02:19.24 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51: powerkernel. |
| 02:19.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 02:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | Although sounds complicated considering the hardware requirements. |
| 02:21.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, Kesenuma looks like Dresden on fire |
| 02:21.50 | ZogG_work | why don't you sleep or out on friday night? |
| 02:21.59 | ZogG_work | i think i'm on nerds chan |
| 02:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG_work, sitting in the family room with family. |
| 02:23.05 | ZogG_work | GeneralAntilles: wrong |
| 02:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 02:23.26 | ZogG_work | you sit in a room full of family woth your n900laptop or whatever |
| 02:24.08 | ZogG_work | they have those old nokia pgones with antena |
| 02:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: what's complicated in porting a few nice drivers / patches to meego kernel |
| 02:25.01 | ZogG_work | halle berry is hot |
| 02:26.23 | ZogG_work | GeneralAntilles: so u are from stockholme |
| 02:26.34 | GeneralAntilles | Florida |
| 02:26.39 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: shit if I know. *g* |
| 02:27.00 | dangergrrl | there are some broken suggests: in package dependencies |
| 02:27.17 | ZogG_work | hmm whois was wrong than |
| 02:27.24 | dangergrrl | findutils-gnu seems to suggest mlocate, slocate, and locate |
| 02:27.27 | merlin1991 | finally got the package to build |
| 02:27.31 | dangergrrl | none of which exists |
| 02:27.36 | merlin1991 | time for bed :D |
| 02:27.40 | dangergrrl | findutils should include slocate |
| 02:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG_work: my host is masked. |
| 02:31.42 | ZogG_work | GeneralAntilles: you are ninja hacker |
| 02:31.54 | ZogG_work | can't be seen |
| 02:32.03 | ZogG_work | can't be cut |
| 02:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | I can probably be cut. |
| 02:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | But let's not test it out. |
| 02:32.51 | ZogG_work | too late, the car is on its way |
| 02:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | loads up the Mauser. |
| 02:38.13 | ZogG_work | they do have floppies |
| 02:38.23 | ZogG_work | i used to use old floppies |
| 02:38.25 | ZogG_work | big ones |
| 02:39.34 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer: don't sleep man |
| 02:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | you're 15s early |
| 02:40.45 | ZogG_work | do you have charts of my highlights |
| 02:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | adjusts ZogG_work's PC RTC with a taser |
| 02:42.36 | ZogG_work | i have a laser |
| 02:44.00 | ZogG_work | i bet DocScrutinizer doesn't have a family |
| 02:44.15 | ZogG_work | he had a pretty woman but he changed her for computers |
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| 02:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | ramps up the MTHELs |
| 02:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | wait, I think there's 2 or 3 X-ray laser sats left over from last year. Let's see if I fire one for you, ZogG_work |
| 02:46.23 | ZogG_work | i'm waiting |
| 02:46.28 | ZogG_work | take the misery out |
| 02:46.39 | ZogG_work | my misery* |
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| 02:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | a pity as every one of them has 16 lead rods to fire 16 beams at arbitrary targets, just the fission power source is a one shot thing. So I have to waste 15 beams into empty space for that one greeting to you |
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| 02:49.00 | ZogG_work | i would say you exact coordinates |
| 02:49.08 | ZogG_work | but n900's gps sucks |
| 02:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I'll save this one for a better time |
| 02:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | you forgot my true nature. I'm skynet so I know exactly where you are |
| 02:50.36 | Pillum | hey guys |
| 02:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | wait... these last 50m have a certain uncertainty |
| 02:52.34 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer: i'm behind goverment proxy |
| 02:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:53.13 | ZogG_work | actually that one is true |
| 02:53.47 | Pillum | hm |
| 02:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, quite helpful to determine your exact position. Just those last 50m, something's fishy with them |
| 02:54.06 | Pillum | im stoned and wanna code something for n900.. |
| 02:54.11 | Pillum | but what? |
| 02:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | psychedelic patterns :-D |
| 02:54.44 | ZogG_work | Pillum: what are u good at? |
| 02:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | r33b.net |
| 02:54.50 | Pillum | lol |
| 02:54.52 | ZogG_work | and are u that stoned? |
| 02:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://r33b.net |
| 02:55.10 | Pillum | not that anymore |
| 02:55.25 | Pillum | I got excellent C++ skills |
| 02:55.29 | Pillum | but no idea atm |
| 02:55.40 | Pillum | and also no n900 :( |
| 02:55.48 | Pillum | because of broken mini usb port |
| 02:55.57 | Pillum | the 3rd time |
| 02:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | micro |
| 02:55.58 | Pillum | ... |
| 02:55.59 | ZogG_work | haha |
| 02:56.19 | ZogG_work | Pillum: maybe at least one can make google calendar integration |
| 02:56.32 | ZogG_work | or i know |
| 02:56.33 | Pillum | is the calender widget open? |
| 02:56.53 | ZogG_work | Pillum: go to waze and download source coed for android and adapt it to n900 |
| 02:57.10 | Pillum | what is waze?! |
| 02:57.10 | ZogG_work | Pillum: yes, the community widget |
| 02:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | (mode #maemo b |
| 02:57.26 | ZogG_work | there is home widget calendar it is from someone from community i think |
| 02:57.40 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer: you are fail |
| 02:57.52 | ZogG_work | Pillum: waze is nice nav program |
| 02:59.03 | Pillum | ZogG_work: I can only code Qt4-only apps, because I got no n900 atm :S |
| 02:59.33 | Pillum | I just a personal bus driver here :D |
| 02:59.37 | DocAvalanche | ZogG_work: you're late |
| 02:59.45 | Pillum | he didnt know the way so I told him the way home |
| 02:59.50 | ZogG_work | DocAvalanche: ? |
| 03:00.21 | ZogG_work | Pillum: you can port it to qt app for computer and than it would be easy to port to maemo |
| 03:00.28 | ZogG_work | it's almost unix program |
| 03:00.43 | Pillum | ZogG_work: which one? calendar or waze? |
| 03:00.59 | ZogG_work | waze |
| 03:01.07 | Pillum | lol |
| 03:01.08 | ZogG_work | it is open source |
| 03:01.16 | Pillum | and how to test the gps function on my pc? :S |
| 03:01.37 | ZogG_work | Pillum: network onre |
| 03:01.43 | ZogG_work | it works with it as well |
| 03:01.57 | Pillum | network onre? |
| 03:02.04 | Pillum | what is this? |
| 03:02.08 | ZogG_work | one* |
| 03:02.24 | Pillum | aaaaand still |
| 03:02.28 | Pillum | what is this? |
| 03:02.29 | ZogG_work | it's like geolocation in browsers with no gps |
| 03:02.30 | Pillum | :) |
| 03:02.33 | Pillum | ahh |
| 03:02.56 | ZogG_work | n900 uses it too btw |
| 03:03.01 | ZogG_work | both with gps |
| 03:04.01 | Pillum | hm |
| 03:04.09 | Pillum | I dont find the source codes of this program |
| 03:04.59 | ZogG_work | lemme find and link to you |
| 03:06.11 | ZogG_work | http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Source_code |
| 03:07.14 | Pillum | are the UI all the same? |
| 03:07.21 | Pillum | or should I port a specific version |
| 03:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, now that I got that bare PCB, I should order a handful of spare speakers |
| 03:09.53 | ZogG_work | Pillum: let's say androids one is cool |
| 03:10.04 | ZogG_work | as well as you can see gtk in source |
| 03:10.12 | ZogG_work | and even qt is mentioned |
| 03:10.16 | Pillum | lol |
| 03:10.16 | Pillum | ok |
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| 03:10.54 | ZogG_work | kerio: hello |
| 03:11.01 | ZogG_work | for coffee press 1 |
| 03:11.06 | ZogG_work | for tea press 2 |
| 03:12.16 | Pillum | 2 |
| 03:12.35 | ZogG_work | handles coffee for Pillum |
| 03:12.40 | Pillum | nice |
| 03:12.41 | Pillum | :D |
| 03:12.52 | ZogG_work | wanna milk cream? |
| 03:13.09 | Pillum | does WazeforAndroid support landscape mode? |
| 03:13.10 | Pillum | lol |
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| 03:13.20 | Pillum | but I pressed 2 for tea :( |
| 03:13.32 | ZogG_work | ERROR |
| 03:13.38 | Pillum | oh noes |
| 03:13.41 | Pillum | I broke it |
| 03:13.42 | Pillum | :( |
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| 03:16.46 | pupnik | moo |
| 03:16.53 | Pillum | wtf is that |
| 03:16.57 | psycho_oreos | cow |
| 03:16.59 | ZogG_work | Pillum: i think it does have it |
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| 03:17.35 | ZogG_work | Pillum: just give us something =) |
| 03:17.47 | Pillum | ZogG_work: but wtf is that# |
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| 03:17.50 | Pillum | its for android |
| 03:17.58 | Pillum | and the ´wiki says |
| 03:18.01 | Pillum | its not using the ndk |
| 03:18.09 | ZogG_work | ndk? |
| 03:18.10 | Pillum | so why the hell is there C source code? |
| 03:18.16 | Pillum | Native Development Kit |
| 03:18.23 | ZogG_work | sure it's for android otherwise why would we need port? |
| 03:18.48 | ZogG_work | cause it's written in C for droid and symbian and windows |
| 03:18.58 | pupnik | whet |
| 03:18.59 | ZogG_work | for android it uses openglse btw |
| 03:19.14 | Pillum | but you cannot code with C for android without using the NDK |
| 03:19.18 | Pillum | its impossible |
| 03:19.36 | ZogG_work | i dunno |
| 03:19.44 | ZogG_work | take symbian code |
| 03:19.53 | ZogG_work | or win mobile code |
| 03:20.07 | pupnik | what prog |
| 03:20.32 | pupnik | stabs |
| 03:20.35 | ZogG_work | i can't tell you |
| 03:20.51 | ZogG_work | otherwise i'll spoil surprise Pillum want to make us all |
| 03:20.59 | pupnik | L |
| 03:21.05 | Pillum | :D |
| 03:21.08 | ZogG_work | L? |
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| 03:21.18 | ZogG_work | Pillum: there is iphone source |
| 03:21.21 | pupnik | ok |
| 03:21.25 | ZogG_work | there is source of source =) |
| 03:21.29 | Pillum | lol |
| 03:21.45 | ZogG_work | Pillum: btw you can use freemap-il from extras as this program is based on it |
| 03:22.31 | ZogG_work | it's like 2.0 of freemap-il and now it's international, covers major coutriesd in the world |
| 03:23.21 | ZogG_work | Pillum: so is it doable? |
| 03:24.29 | ZogG_work | !ping |
| 03:24.33 | ZogG_work | ~ping |
| 03:24.33 | infobot | ~pong |
| 03:24.43 | ZogG_work | i thought i was timeouted |
| 03:25.05 | Pillum | lol |
| 03:25.18 | Pillum | just need to crawl me through the source code |
| 03:25.26 | Pillum | atm I dont know what is what |
| 03:25.35 | pupnik | hah they rann the openpandora at 14mhz in low-power mode |
| 03:25.37 | ZogG_work | Pillum: look most of libs there are native in linux |
| 03:25.43 | ZogG_work | agg, libpng |
| 03:26.09 | pupnik | 'was too slow, got clock drift' |
| 03:26.11 | pupnik | lol |
| 03:26.14 | Pillum | yeah |
| 03:26.19 | Pillum | but what is this roadmap? |
| 03:26.24 | Pillum | it looks like roadmap is the app |
| 03:26.28 | Pillum | but why waze then |
| 03:26.29 | Pillum | lülz |
| 03:26.29 | ZogG_work | it's the program |
| 03:26.41 | ZogG_work | don't ask me |
| 03:26.47 | Pillum | lol |
| 03:27.02 | pupnik | "Back at the beginning, low power mode used to drop the CPU to 14Mhz, a speed so low it couldn't keep up with the normal tasks, and the software clock suffered. With HF4, that was increased to 125Mhz and it no longer has any problems keeping up. That's why I asked which hotfix he was using. That won't be it anymore, though, mine sits in low power mode 18 hours a day and it hasn't lost any time." |
| 03:28.05 | ZogG_work | 14MHz? |
| 03:28.10 | ZogG_work | is it possible? |
| 03:28.40 | ZogG_work | i think my mouse has more |
| 03:29.27 | Pillum | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=965940 |
| 03:29.35 | Pillum | seems like someone is already at porting |
| 03:30.27 | Pillum | dont want to reinvent the wheel |
| 03:30.32 | Pillum | when somebody already did |
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| 03:32.18 | ZogG_work | Pillum: noone does |
| 03:32.39 | Pillum | whats with damagedspline |
| 03:32.43 | Pillum | he said he is doing |
| 03:33.17 | ZogG_work | 06-13-10 , 04:41 PM |
| 03:34.34 | ZogG_work | i doubt his phase of finishing was half year ago and no realese still |
| 03:39.26 | ZogG_work | Pillum: ? |
| 03:39.34 | pupnik | That is obviously shopped you can tell by the pixels and i've seen alot of photoshops in my time. |
| 03:43.03 | pupnik | http://twitpic.com/43b0ql state of the art production surface |
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| 03:44.36 | Pillum | what is shopped? |
| 03:45.22 | ZogG_work | i think pupnik's face shopped |
| 03:46.58 | pupnik | bends |
| 03:49.08 | dangergrrl | how do i tell if it's booting or not? |
| 03:49.14 | ZogG_work | pupnik: bend back, no intence to have butt sex with you. sorry, not gay |
| 03:49.31 | dangergrrl | rcS should be taking a long time actually |
| 03:49.37 | ZogG_work | dangergrrl: all you need to ask |
| 03:50.09 | dangergrrl | well, i put: |
| 03:50.28 | dangergrrl | /sbin/parted /dev/mmcblk0 resize 2 20.0gb 31.1gb >/etc/done 2>&1 |
| 03:50.29 | dangergrrl | in there |
| 03:51.05 | pupnik | trash is trash |
| 03:51.27 | ZogG_work | it can take a loooot of time |
| 03:51.54 | ZogG_work | why do u do it? |
| 03:52.11 | dangergrrl | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/352281/ i put all that in there |
| 03:52.18 | dangergrrl | so it is failsafe |
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| 03:52.46 | pupnik | dangergrrl: did you apply kernel io fixes before starting that |
| 03:52.46 | dangergrrl | trying to resize /home without erasing and having to resture |
| 03:53.18 | dangergrrl | i need the kernel from extras-testing for parted to work? |
| 03:53.24 | pupnik | no |
| 03:53.30 | pupnik | just /proc settings |
| 03:53.41 | dangergrrl | no i didn't |
| 03:54.01 | dangergrrl | i installed bash and ssh and coreutils and that's about all |
| 03:54.03 | pupnik | you might want to go do something else, like a ski trip |
| 03:54.11 | pupnik | then come back |
| 03:54.13 | dangergrrl | i've flashed twice since i started this |
| 03:54.31 | pupnik | fly to vegas for the wknd |
| 03:54.41 | dangergrrl | and i can't tell if it's booting or not, it flashed the boot screens and now flashing amber light |
| 03:55.33 | pupnik | well i've done large file copy operations that have slowed to a crawl |
| 03:55.57 | dangergrrl | when it's up that parted command gives output that it can't do it because the filesystem is mounted instead of complaining about the args |
| 03:56.02 | pupnik | i expect parted will trigger the same issues |
| 03:56.07 | pupnik | right |
| 03:56.14 | dangergrrl | so i am hoping it parameter checked and those params are correct |
| 03:56.32 | pupnik | so enjoy your trip |
| 03:56.48 | pupnik | be around monday |
| 03:58.23 | dangergrrl | i just wish i knew how to tell if it was booting right now or not |
| 03:58.38 | dangergrrl | if i hold the power button and it's booting it will stop |
| 03:59.23 | ZogG_work | i say u screwed |
| 04:00.00 | dangergrrl | i'll eat dinner and such and try the power button then |
| 04:00.10 | pupnik | don't listen to ZogG_work |
| 04:00.14 | ZogG_work | Pillum: so u decided not to? |
| 04:00.38 | ZogG_work | pupnik: u can shu down me |
| 04:00.44 | ZogG_work | shut down one oafter me |
| 04:00.51 | ZogG_work | but there would be always more |
| 04:00.55 | ZogG_work | one instead |
| 04:01.02 | ZogG_work | u can't stop us |
| 04:01.26 | Pillum | ZogG_work: I think I'll do it |
| 04:01.40 | Pillum | even though I wont need a navi on my n900 |
| 04:01.43 | Pillum | since I got sygic |
| 04:03.11 | ZogG_work | did u look over code btw? |
| 04:03.25 | ZogG_work | did i missunderstood or there is gtk there |
| 04:04.56 | Pillum | it seems like its using gtk only for opengl context creation |
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| 04:07.44 | Pillum | and that is roadmap |
| 04:07.45 | Pillum | http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/screen-route.png |
| 04:09.12 | ZogG_work | http://www.cnet.com/i/bto/20090706/waze15_270x404.png |
| 04:09.16 | ZogG_work | and this is waze |
| 04:09.45 | Pillum | and I only see roadmap_* files |
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| 04:15.35 | dangergrrl | the light turned green |
| 04:15.40 | ZogG_work | Pillum: aroadmap is only for processing maps and gui is separete probably |
| 04:15.45 | dangergrrl | it must be booting, yes? |
| 04:16.31 | ZogG_work | fully charged is green |
| 04:16.55 | Pillum | but you are sure, that this is waze? |
| 04:17.05 | dangergrrl | whether it's booting or down... |
| 04:17.05 | Pillum | cause even the welcome.bmp says |
| 04:17.07 | Pillum | its freemap |
| 04:17.39 | ZogG_work | go to android folder |
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| 04:30.30 | Pillum | ZogG_work: its around 5k lines of source code |
| 04:30.36 | Pillum | so it will need its time |
| 04:30.48 | Pillum | 5k lines of source code to port |
| 04:30.53 | ZogG_work | i would look into it as well |
| 04:30.58 | ZogG_work | wanted to do it today |
| 04:31.03 | Pillum | the rest are common shared things |
| 04:31.08 | ZogG_work | but forgot AC adapter for laptop =( |
| 04:31.13 | Pillum | you know c/c++? |
| 04:31.19 | ZogG_work | not really |
| 04:31.23 | Pillum | lol |
| 04:31.30 | Pillum | how would you want to port it hen? |
| 04:31.32 | ZogG_work | but that's the way u learn |
| 04:31.38 | Pillum | lol |
| 04:31.41 | ZogG_work | i understand here and there |
| 04:32.09 | Pillum | I learned it with a few lines of command line games |
| 04:32.21 | Pillum | not with a 50k source cdode line application |
| 04:32.23 | Pillum | :D |
| 04:33.36 | Pillum | anyway im going to bed |
| 04:33.47 | ZogG_work | i'm going to bed soon as well |
| 04:33.50 | Pillum | write me a pm tomorrow |
| 04:33.51 | ZogG_work | talk to you other day |
| 04:33.52 | Pillum | or so |
| 04:33.59 | Pillum | that I wont forget it :D |
| 04:34.02 | ZogG_work | i'm almost always around here |
| 04:34.14 | ZogG_work | not always at computer actually but mostly online anyway |
| 04:34.19 | Pillum | lol |
| 04:34.28 | Pillum | im at night here |
| 04:34.32 | Pillum | only at night |
| 04:34.34 | ZogG_work | ZogG: <- me |
| 04:34.35 | Pillum | and not every day |
| 04:34.51 | Pillum | and when im here I usually work on some games |
| 04:34.56 | Pillum | ZogG_work: where are you from? |
| 04:34.57 | Pillum | usa? |
| 04:35.01 | Pillum | china? |
| 04:35.04 | ZogG_work | i'm at nioghts only when i do not work next morning or i have night shift |
| 04:35.18 | ZogG_work | Pillum: Israel |
| 04:35.22 | pupnik | what games Pillum |
| 04:35.32 | ZogG_work | pupnik: strip poker |
| 04:35.35 | Pillum | :D |
| 04:35.46 | pupnik | ? |
| 04:35.49 | ZogG_work | naked ladies in ASCII is the msot sext thing |
| 04:36.02 | ZogG_work | Pillum: u r usa? |
| 04:36.13 | Pillum | no |
| 04:36.15 | Pillum | im pakistan |
| 04:36.21 | ZogG_work | seriously? |
| 04:36.23 | Pillum | no |
| 04:36.23 | Pillum | :D |
| 04:36.25 | Pillum | germany |
| 04:36.33 | ZogG_work | than it's raxist from you |
| 04:36.34 | doc|home | :D |
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| 04:36.37 | Pillum | :D |
| 04:36.43 | doc|home | yeah man, don't be raxist |
| 04:36.47 | Pillum | lol |
| 04:36.54 | Pillum | ok, i wont be raxist |
| 04:37.11 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer: damn man, do u sleep? |
| 04:37.30 | ZogG_work | all you germans trying to conquer the chan |
| 04:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | what makes you think I ever sleep? |
| 04:37.38 | ZogG_work | pupnik: and you too |
| 04:37.46 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer: you don't |
| 04:37.58 | ZogG_work | actually i come here and almost everytime u online |
| 04:38.04 | Pillum | uhh |
| 04:38.06 | Pillum | a stalker |
| 04:38.07 | Pillum | :S |
| 04:38.07 | ZogG_work | and i come in different times of day |
| 04:38.16 | ZogG_work | so there are 2 options |
| 04:38.20 | ZogG_work | or u never sleep |
| 04:38.30 | ZogG_work | or we are soulmates and made for each other |
| 04:38.38 | Pillum | no |
| 04:38.40 | Pillum | doc is mine :( |
| 04:38.46 | ZogG_work | haha u wish |
| 04:38.51 | Pillum | and I wont share |
| 04:38.55 | Pillum | nanana |
| 04:38.59 | Pillum | :D |
| 04:39.04 | ZogG_work | all you can make a dull rabbit style german porn |
| 04:39.21 | ZogG_work | i would say thank you for those tapes i stoled from parents when i was young |
| 04:39.31 | ZogG_work | i would even say i grew up on them |
| 04:39.34 | ZogG_work | but still man |
| 04:39.35 | Pillum | lol |
| 04:40.00 | Pillum | 1. im not german. only born, grew up and living here |
| 04:40.14 | ZogG_work | so how come u are not german |
| 04:40.22 | Pillum | 2. why does the world think, german make kinky and filthy porn |
| 04:40.27 | ZogG_work | u live here and born there |
| 04:40.40 | Pillum | im turkish :P |
| 04:40.45 | ZogG_work | Pillum: not kinky and fithy |
| 04:40.47 | ZogG_work | didn';t say it |
| 04:41.03 | Pillum | but the rest of the world says so |
| 04:41.10 | ZogG_work | porn just made a lot of porn back when there were tapes |
| 04:41.23 | ZogG_work | and they made it like dogs |
| 04:41.32 | ZogG_work | i mean technical sex |
| 04:41.35 | ZogG_work | with no emotions |
| 04:41.40 | ZogG_work | only screaming yayayaya |
| 04:42.05 | ZogG_work | if i want kinky i would go for asian |
| 04:42.11 | Pillum | lol |
| 04:42.16 | doc|home | hey, I had israeli porn that made exactly that noise |
| 04:42.20 | doc|home | that's uncanny |
| 04:42.20 | ZogG_work | they are f'ed up |
| 04:42.40 | ZogG_work | doc|home: share the name |
| 04:42.50 | doc|home | ZogG_work: can't remember |
| 04:42.51 | ZogG_work | i saw only few israeli porns |
| 04:43.06 | ZogG_work | one i got that it's israeli by their tattos |
| 04:43.10 | Pillum | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNvsOOQwtPg |
| 04:43.16 | ZogG_work | and davids star on his chest |
| 04:43.40 | ZogG_work | i'm falling asleep |
| 04:43.46 | ZogG_work | but my shift ends in 15 mins |
| 04:43.49 | ZogG_work | so it's ok |
| 04:43.53 | ZogG_work | \o/ |
| 04:44.02 | Pillum | had night shift? |
| 04:44.08 | ZogG_work | yeap |
| 04:44.15 | ZogG_work | almost all fridays |
| 04:44.22 | ZogG_work | or friday night or sat morning |
| 04:44.26 | ZogG_work | that's my weekends =( |
| 04:44.43 | ZogG_work | trying to find some IT work |
| 04:44.49 | ZogG_work | but noon wants me |
| 04:44.58 | Pillum | lol |
| 04:45.30 | Pillum | sad story, bro |
| 04:45.32 | ZogG_work | gonna get dressed i think\ |
| 04:45.47 | Pillum | naked at work? |
| 04:45.47 | Pillum | :D |
| 04:45.49 | Pillum | nice |
| 04:45.54 | ZogG_work | Pillum: f them, their lost =) |
| 04:46.06 | ZogG_work | Pillum: nope, uniform |
| 04:46.14 | ZogG_work | security guy |
| 04:46.14 | Pillum | what uniform? |
| 04:46.17 | Pillum | lol |
| 04:46.18 | ZogG_work | ^ |
| 04:46.37 | Pillum | IT guy does physical security |
| 04:46.38 | Pillum | :D |
| 04:46.53 | ZogG_work | what can i do |
| 04:46.59 | ZogG_work | i'm not IT |
| 04:47.06 | ZogG_work | and has no education yet |
| 04:47.16 | ZogG_work | soooo while studing it suits me |
| 04:47.32 | ZogG_work | but i'm too tierd of this shit and last months i get less and less money |
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| 04:54.26 | ZogG_work | morning |
| 04:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | duh, now 5 coremelts pending |
| 04:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | and the new quake doesn't exactly help, though it's only been a 6.6 |
| 04:58.35 | doc|home | "only" :/ |
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| 05:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | I really feel sorry for them |
| 05:00.57 | doc|home | yeah |
| 05:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you ordered your speakers? |
| 05:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I got this PCB today, so I ordered 4 speakers, just in case... :-D |
| 05:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | shipping was 5 weeks and a few, but hey, it ships for free |
| 05:05.59 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: i couldn't decide between the speakers with the correct picture or the ones with the correct description |
| 05:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 05:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | they are pretty fast on answering questions |
| 05:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | like 10 min |
| 05:09.42 | pupnik | wow |
| 05:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | probably not in 6 hours though, when their office hours are over |
| 05:10.54 | pupnik | it's a bit of an insult to ask 'is the part you labled "n900 speaker" really a n900 speaker'? |
| 05:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | nah, tell them you got confused about the picture and the description don't match for you |
| 05:12.15 | pupnik | k |
| 05:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | chinese people are *very* polite, and they don't like to say no, but also don't like to 'lose their face' |
| 05:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | let me know what they answered |
| 05:20.08 | ds3 | why do you want a speaker for the N900? |
| 05:20.26 | pupnik | so i can hear it ring |
| 05:22.46 | pupnik | ds3: the n900 speaker looks like this one http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n82-e72-e66-x6-n85-cell-phone-speaker.html |
| 05:22.59 | pupnik | here's their n900 speaker http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n81-n900-cell-phone-speaker.html |
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| 05:28.45 | ds3 | is it suppose to be louder or? |
| 05:29.47 | pupnik | my original speakers (or amplifier) has broken and usually i get no sounds |
| 05:29.55 | ds3 | OHhhhh gotca |
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| 05:43.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | pupnik: any answer? I might want to change my order ;-D |
| 05:43.53 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: i didn't see an email |
| 05:44.27 | pupnik | i sppose i could register |
| 05:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | I registered and posted directly on the order, via "start conversation" |
| 05:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | they just confirmed my payment, should hurry now |
| 05:46.09 | pupnik | i'd like a mini keyboard for my 7" tablet |
| 05:46.14 | pupnik | that would make it funnerer |
| 05:48.46 | pupnik | wonders what DocScrutinizer will do with the pcb board |
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| 05:57.24 | woodyjlw | is this a good channel to talk about nokia n900? need to flash it to factory mode with ubuntu and it is running maemo on it now |
| 05:57.28 | ds3 | pupnik: A70? |
| 05:58.07 | pupnik | hi ds3 yes |
| 05:58.23 | pupnik | i haven't seen ubuntu on n900 |
| 05:58.36 | ds3 | pupnik: have you gotten it running well enough to be useable with Angstrom? |
| 05:58.42 | woodyjlw | no im using ubuntu to flash n900 |
| 05:59.28 | pupnik | ds3: http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=45396 |
| 05:59.44 | woodyjlw | is meego released yet or is it still being developed ? |
| 06:00.01 | pupnik | woodyjlw: there are releases every few weeks it seems |
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| 06:01.24 | ds3 | pupnik: i have seen that before so I guess no other progress? |
| 06:04.46 | pupnik | right |
| 06:05.19 | pupnik | ever since i fixed the n900, coincidentally |
| 06:07.44 | ZogG | damn graf_choloko is russian =) |
| 06:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: typical chinese answer :-D >> "ok, We will ship N900 speaker to you, please no worries. Thanks." â Ownta Sales Team |
| 06:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | 5 coremelts pending, one probably already in progress - caesium escaped from containment |
| 06:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | anybody knows where to get info about surface and 2500, 5000, 10000ft winds over Japan? |
| 06:13.14 | pupnik | lol\ |
| 06:13.36 | pupnik | japanese reactors coremelting?! |
| 06:13.37 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: where are you getting the reports? BBC don't seem to have that much details |
| 06:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | german TV is quite good at gathering info bits |
| 06:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: yep, 5 for now, AIUI. 2 in Fukushima-1 and 3 in Fukushima-2 |
| 06:18.31 | pupnik | seems a little silly |
| 06:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | silly maybe isn't exactly the word I'd use |
| 06:20.21 | pupnik | japanese reactors not water-proof apparently |
| 06:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | obviously in both power plants the generators broke and emergency cooling is running from batteries, which last for a few hours. They seem unable to bring mobile generators of sufficient power to the reactors, so core melt is somewhat guaranteed as soon as batteries are depleted, which seems they already did for one block of Fukushima-1 |
| 06:23.01 | pupnik | they should build reactors where fuel needs to be added |
| 06:23.11 | pupnik | and if it isn't added, reaction stops |
| 06:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | evacuation of 51,000 residents |
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| 06:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: that's indeed the basic problem of fission reactors. The process needs to be stopped actively while it continues without any further support |
| 06:25.09 | pupnik | not all fission reactor designs apparently |
| 06:25.38 | yigal | if there isn't material for fission to occur then it won't |
| 06:26.01 | yigal | produce a process that H_2 or what ever is in a controlled supply |
| 06:26.08 | yigal | problem solved |
| 06:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | that's the point. You need a subcritical but rather high mass of reaction material |
| 06:26.30 | pupnik | http://www.truthaboutenergy.com/Fast%20Breeder%20Plant.htm fast breeders - killed by 'environmentalists' |
| 06:26.48 | woodyjlw | I would like to find a way to back up all my contacts from my n900 to my ubuntu laptop. is there a program in ubuntu that can help me with this? |
| 06:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | woodyjlw: simplest way: export_as_vcards in N900 contacts app, then copy/move that file to buntkuh and import to your PIM there |
| 06:28.18 | yigal | pupnik: thanks for the '' in 'environmentalists' |
| 06:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | around |
| 06:29.27 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: can't they remove the fuel? |
| 06:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 06:29.38 | doc|home | why not? |
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| 06:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | the containment is at 2 times max allowed pressure, nobody can go inside and remove extremely hot and "hot" fuel rods |
| 06:30.32 | yigal | robots |
| 06:30.38 | yigal | or mechanized arms |
| 06:30.39 | doc|home | robots get fried? |
| 06:30.46 | yigal | at what temperature |
| 06:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | prior to replacing/removing fuel rods the reactor has to chill down some weeks |
| 06:31.02 | yigal | man poor Japan |
| 06:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 06:34.13 | ds3 | wonder if they can fill it with bird shot |
| 06:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | for now it seems they can't even get out the pressure, as the batteries don't even have the energy to operate the vent valves |
| 06:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | hard to fill it with anything |
| 06:35.21 | ds3 | oh |
| 06:35.23 | yigal | interesting, google "japan nuclear" first hit is from Aljazeera |
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| 06:41.27 | Venemo | ZogG: static functions have 2 possible meanings, one of which doesn't need declaring in the .h file |
| 06:42.03 | Venemo | ZogG: 1) a static function is either a function which belongs to a class, but not particular instances of it -> you declare these in the class declaration |
| 06:42.37 | Venemo | ZogG: 2) static functions which are not members of a class are used to make a function only accessible from a single source file |
| 06:44.37 | doc|home | yigal: unsurprisingly aljazeera has better coverage of a lot of stuff :/ |
| 06:44.39 | doc|home | cnn = ass |
| 06:45.09 | doc|home | in fact, I'm going to buy some shares so I can propose they change their name to that, as it's more appropriate, at a shareholders meeting |
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| 06:55.42 | johnsu01 | \ |
| 06:55.46 | johnsu01 | - |
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| 07:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: isn't the portable-assembler nature of C amazing! only an assembler coder might consider using "static" instead "local" for that purpose |
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| 07:01.19 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well, glib-based stuff written in C are full of static methods usually |
| 07:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about the syntax and the mindset of those that invented it |
| 07:02.28 | Venemo | mhm |
| 07:02.43 | Venemo | hm, I wasn't aware that there is a "local" keyword in C |
| 07:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | probably there isn't |
| 07:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | that's the point |
| 07:03.53 | Venemo | :) |
| 07:06.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the number of different purposes the static keyword has in C/C++ is amazing |
| 07:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | and I guess all of them are a reminiscence to the way the method is implemented on assembler level inside the compiler/generated opcode. Well, C = portable macro assembler |
| 07:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | static basically will mean "use heap, not stack" |
| 07:11.58 | Venemo | yeah, basically |
| 07:12.08 | Venemo | anyway, I have to leave now |
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| 07:12.14 | Venemo | will be back later :) |
| 07:12.15 | Venemo | bb |
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| 07:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | finally info about wind: seaward, so fallout won't hit Japan ground directly |
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| 07:38.17 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: fully dispersed before it hits again? they were finding evidence of chernobyl in western europe before the russians ever admitted things went wrong |
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| 08:05.42 | pupnik | AFP says an explosion has been heard at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant |
| 08:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and Japan gvmt says it's not been at Fukushima-Daiichi |
| 08:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | sure, somebody is using up his left over fireworks there |
| 08:17.20 | pupnik | Outer structure of building that houses reactor at Fukushima plant appears to have blown off - NHK |
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| 08:18.06 | derf | URL? |
| 08:18.42 | pupnik | this is all twitter stuff |
| 08:19.40 | derf | Useless. |
| 08:20.09 | doc|home | does this mean we're all going to die? |
| 08:20.18 | doc|home | fucking finally, can get some peace and quiet |
| 08:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | further explosions |
| 08:23.35 | doc|home | cnn sucks balls |
| 08:23.39 | doc|home | hard |
| 08:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I noticed that some 12h ago ;-) |
| 08:24.44 | doc|home | clap clap cnn |
| 08:24.50 | doc|home | finally they mention something about it |
| 08:24.54 | doc|home | idiots |
| 08:25.19 | doc|home | that's it? 20 secs? idiots! |
| 08:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | authorities keep information back to avoid panic in Tokyo |
| 08:27.45 | doc|home | because speculation is so much more useful |
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| 08:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 08:28.19 | doc|home | that was one thing about the movie, 2012. They knew for years, but the politicians told no one, kept it to themselves to prevent panic. In turn, preventing people from looking after themselves. |
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| 08:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | first one definitely exploded |
| 08:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | 4 more to blow up |
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| 08:38.45 | doc|home | oh, video on ctv |
| 08:38.51 | doc|home | fuck me that's a HGUE explosion |
| 08:39.10 | robbiethe1st | Hm, let me know when it appears on Youtube |
| 08:40.55 | doc|home | fucking cnn... they have a title bar "COUNTDOWN TO MELTDOWN?" |
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| 08:43.30 | doc|home | robbiethe1st: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU |
| 08:44.19 | doc|home | oh, that's different to the one I saw |
| 08:44.19 | robbiethe1st | ty |
| 08:44.30 | doc|home | the one I saw was way bigger than that |
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| 08:46.53 | doc|home | hmmm, it's possible that this is what I saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9ce3UDSow&NR=1 though that one doesn't show the initial explosion |
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| 08:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | nah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU is the real one - yummy huge clouds of uranium dust |
| 08:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | 0:48 |
| 09:01.25 | doc|home | japan is now 3m more east than it used to be |
| 09:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | honestly? |
| 09:02.19 | derf | Yes. |
| 09:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
| 09:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | used to be a week ago, or some thusand years ago? |
| 09:03.12 | derf | Used to be two days ago. |
| 09:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 09:03.21 | derf | Also the earth's figure axis shifted 15 cm. |
| 09:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | yike |
| 09:04.02 | derf | The length of a day has been reduced by 1.6 us. |
| 09:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, that doesn't tell me much |
| 09:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | might be normal |
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| 09:04.41 | derf | The Chilean earthquake in 2010 reduced it by 1.2 us. |
| 09:04.46 | ccooke | Not the whole of japan - the reading is from an observatory in Miyagi prefecture (and last I heard, they were claiming 4m) |
| 09:07.48 | RST38bis | so, do we finally get a proper nuclear disaster? |
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| 09:08.48 | stonda | prolly not, the aftermath is going to be the same as in 1986. |
| 09:08.49 | SpeedEvil | Chernobyl was quite proper |
| 09:09.10 | stonda | enviromental groups attaining more interest in banning nuclear power |
| 09:09.19 | derf | 'Malcolm Grimston, a nuclear energy expert from Imperial College London, has told the BBC that as long as any nuclear meltdown is small-scale, it can be contained: "For example, there was one in the Chapel Cross plant in south-west Scotland in the 1960s, and at the end of that it only affected two of what they call the fuel channels, the long tubes where the fuel is put. They simply sealed those off, there was no release of radioactivity offsite and the plant co |
| 09:09.31 | derf | I love the British. |
| 09:10.57 | RST38bis | it is not the British, it is Americans being extra squeamish about the whole nucular thing |
| 09:10.58 | SpeedEvil | Depressing that this happens. |
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| 09:11.13 | SpeedEvil | Just at the point that nuclear was looking a bit more likely in the UK. |
| 09:11.20 | DrGrov | Did the power plants nuclear reactor melt yet? |
| 09:11.51 | RST38bis | meltdown being kinda pop icon, after Simpsons et l |
| 09:12.23 | DrGrov | Well, did we get a nuclear disaster like Chernobyl? |
| 09:12.38 | psycho_oreos | too early to tell at this stage |
| 09:12.42 | DrGrov | Ok |
| 09:12.46 | DrGrov | Time to wait just then |
| 09:12.48 | RST38bis | apparently there was an explosion, one wall is gone |
| 09:12.50 | DrGrov | Eventually will get more news |
| 09:13.10 | RST38bis | too early to tell |
| 09:13.31 | DrGrov | Ok |
| 09:13.35 | DrGrov | Will check in later at cnn.com |
| 09:13.40 | DrGrov | Thanks for the info |
| 09:13.54 | RST38bis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPJAYyemN2I |
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| 09:15.54 | RST38bis | cannot watch it myself, gprs here |
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| 09:16.59 | doc|home | it's just someone with a video camera recording tv footage of the previous video, with some french explosion sounds |
| 09:17.13 | doc|home | night |
| 09:18.39 | derf | What makes an explosion sound French? |
| 09:18.47 | maybeWTF | le boom |
| 09:19.12 | RST38bis | www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219 |
| 09:19.32 | doc|home | derf: if you watch the video you'll see, and understand |
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| 09:19.51 | doc|home | it's like an english person making an explosion noise, only slightly less ... manly... |
| 09:20.07 | doc|home | sorry, english speaking |
| 09:20.18 | doc|home | :) |
| 09:20.31 | RST38bis | Residents of Fukushima are told to stay inside, seal windows, etc |
| 09:21.03 | derf | And avoid vegetables. |
| 09:21.13 | derf | I love the Japanese, too. |
| 09:21.18 | RST38bis | certain vegetables |
| 09:21.41 | derf | "NHK TV carrying advice to people to protect themselves against radiation. Experts say people should cover their mouths and noses with wet towels. Exposed skin should also be covered and people should wash after coming indoors. People should also avoid vegetables and other fresh food, as well as tap water, until authorities give the all-clear." |
| 09:22.03 | RST38bis | a reasonable advice |
| 09:23.07 | RST38bis | their police should be distributing iodine pills just about now, too |
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| 09:23.38 | doc|home | man, if I'm living in the vicinity of a nuclear plant I'd have my own stock of iodine pills |
| 09:25.10 | RST38bis | better have a car and drive off at the first signs of trouble |
| 09:25.24 | doc|home | that too |
| 09:26.09 | n900evil | Avoid vegetables is such a stock answer. |
| 09:26.29 | n900evil | They mean outdoor veg that may be contaminated |
| 09:26.32 | RST38bis | Drink more red wine! |
| 09:28.02 | derf | Or, lacking that, vodka. |
| 09:28.16 | derf | It won't help the radiation, but it'll get you drunk. |
| 09:29.23 | RST38bis | nah, red wine apparently does have some effect |
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| 09:30.23 | RST38bis | has seen this all happen up close in 1986 |
| 09:30.28 | derf | Yes, red wine does. I doubt vodka does. |
| 09:32.11 | RST38bis | Although the Japanese definitely make their nuclear disaster look more hilarious than the Soviets |
| 09:33.15 | psycho_oreos | in Soviet Russia, communism owns you |
| 09:33.32 | RST38bis | (Reuters) - An explosion blew the roof off an unstable reactor north of Tokyo on Saturday, Japanese media said, |
| 09:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, we've all seen that if we watched the first video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU |
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| 09:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | you can see the enormous blowout vertically in the air at 0:48, to me it seems right from the center of the building. Then all sorts of crap and rocks flying several hundered meters away and the core and building dissolving in a nice radioactive brown cloud |
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| 09:39.28 | doc|home | "Japan Orders Evacuation Near 2nd Nuclear Plant - Senior engineers at the Daiichi and Daini and operated by Tokyo Electric Power have stated that if they are not provided coolant within 48 hours, Tokyo could become the next Chernobyl with Tokyo becoming uninhabitable for 150 years." |
| 09:39.33 | RST38bis | have they got graphite or something similarly dusty there? |
| 09:39.42 | doc|home | http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/world/asia/12nuclear.html?_r=1 |
| 09:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | I said four are still pending |
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| 09:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | lol, 150?? |
| 09:40.50 | RST38bis | also, what are the winds in that area? |
| 09:41.14 | doc|home | i doubt that though, as the plant's 150miles away from tokyo, and supposedly winds were blowing out to sea |
| 09:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | is that how long it takes to dump everything there in a large hole? 10cm of soil |
| 09:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | RST38bis: seaward atm |
| 09:41.38 | doc|home | it is the NY Times, apply salt |
| 09:41.45 | RST38bis | Neotokyo! Slums! Radiation signs! Gas masks! Furries! =) |
| 09:42.03 | doc|home | RST38bis: I've seen stranger videos than all of those... |
| 09:42.03 | RST38bis | Doc: towards the US? |
| 09:42.09 | doc|home | RST38bis: (japanese ones at that) |
| 09:42.14 | doc|home | RST38bis: dunno |
| 09:42.34 | doc|home | it's the japanese getting revenge (too soon for jokes?) |
| 09:43.05 | derf | RST38bis: Winds are blowing out to sea. |
| 09:43.20 | derf | The radiation will reach Washington State in about 7 days. |
| 09:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: definitely too early. 4 blocks pending to blast off |
| 09:43.39 | derf | Or at least that was the wind as of this morning. |
| 09:43.45 | derf | I don't know how stable it is there this time of year. |
| 09:43.53 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: man, 60 years isn't enough? |
| 09:44.20 | doc|home | being serious though, obviously I hope it gets no worse |
| 09:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | it will |
| 09:44.33 | doc|home | derf: might it have dispersed? |
| 09:44.48 | mortenvp_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219 |
| 09:44.52 | RST38bis | derf: johnx has left JP but it is following him! |
| 09:45.47 | doc|home | hmmm, I really shouldn't make jokes. I'm just north of where it'll hit if it does |
| 09:46.24 | derf | doc|home: I doubt anything released so far will matter by th time it gets there. |
| 09:47.53 | RST38bis | depends on what has been released... |
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| 09:48.57 | doc|home | fuck, one way I do not want to die is a horrible cancer :/ |
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| 09:50.20 | psycho_oreos | cancer from radiation released from atomic/nuclear powerplant isn't the only way to obtain one in the first place |
| 09:50.20 | doc|home | well crappity |
| 09:50.25 | doc|home | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_prevailing_winds_on_earth.png |
| 09:50.34 | doc|home | psycho_oreos: of course not, but it won't help |
| 09:51.35 | psycho_oreos | doc|home, it won't help what? panic attacks? if one was seriously that concerned, maybe they should move elsewhere. Natural disasters are inevitable and people are there to save their lives |
| 09:51.39 | derf | You've got about a 1/3 chance of dying from cancer, nuclear disaster or not. |
| 09:52.05 | doc|home | psycho_oreos: way to miss the point |
| 09:52.23 | derf | If it bothers you, go hit the road for a while next week. Any luck and you'll get killed in a traffic accident. |
| 09:52.36 | doc|home | thanks |
| 09:52.36 | pupnik | that depends on who you are |
| 09:52.49 | doc|home | did someone switch on dick mode? |
| 09:53.12 | psycho_oreos | doc|home, I don't think I'm missing the point, I think you're just concerned the radioactive waves from atomic/nuclear powerplants from Japan is a sign of revenge and is out there to kill you |
| 09:53.18 | RST38bis | has never been off |
| 09:53.23 | pupnik | isn't that smoke going inland |
| 09:53.25 | doc|home | psycho_oreos: again, that was a joke |
| 09:53.39 | RST38bis | sorry doc :) |
| 09:54.00 | psycho_oreos | doc|home, a joke that has been dragged on for several minutes.. wow |
| 09:54.59 | doc|home | psycho_oreos: yeah, it died ages ago, I've no idea why you just brought it back up |
| 09:55.27 | RST38bis | a'ok time to go spend some quality time with family |
| 09:55.36 | psycho_oreos | doc|home, like 5 minutes ago or so was ages |
| 09:55.38 | doc|home | I was serious about it potentially coming across the pacific though, the only reason the rest of the world knew about chernobyl was because of the increased radiation levels in western europe |
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| 09:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | play nice, kids. World is an awful place without you bitching |
| 09:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | German expert estimates final evacuation radius like 100km |
| 09:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | of course depending on winds |
| 10:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | and no way that might NOT have been a core meltdown |
| 10:03.18 | doc|home | http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/13/world/asia/13nuclear-a/13nuclear-a-popup.jpg |
| 10:03.23 | pupnik | watching the pressure wave climb past the top of the tower at the speed of sound |
| 10:03.25 | doc|home | top pic before explosion, bottom pic after |
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| 10:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: yeah, it could be nice if it wasn't that dirty |
| 10:06.59 | pupnik | anybody know japanese? how did it happen? secondary cooling loop? primary? |
| 10:07.26 | n900evil | Godzilla. |
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| 10:08.34 | merlin1991 | whom can I poke about extras-devel upload rights? |
| 10:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ?? |
| 10:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: the chill down emergency cooling failed when the batteries went flat. All other power sources got shaken or rinsed away |
| 10:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: X-Fade |
| 10:12.55 | merlin1991 | pokes X-Fade |
| 10:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: when the core evaporated all the cooling water and heated up the whole containment to several hundred degrees, the pressure got too high and the whole egg went pop |
| 10:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: place an egg into your microwave and see what happens, quite similar effect :-D |
| 10:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | NO don't do that! it's actually dangerous |
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| 10:28.00 | pupnik | Fukushima starts with f u k |
| 10:28.52 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: do you know what a primary and secondary loop is? |
| 10:29.09 | pupnik | i worked on a nice animation for that in 1993 |
| 10:29.12 | pupnik | no 4 |
| 10:29.49 | psycho_oreos | ç¦å³¶ |
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| 11:20.37 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9tA3jxqKoA Sky news with some commentary to the explosion and a picture of which building blew -- that's not a core building apparently |
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| 11:23.08 | RST38h | back |
| 11:24.24 | merlin1991 | needs a little hint on where to find the statistics for a package on maemo.org |
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| 11:38.45 | RST38h | pupnik: It is a core building. |
| 11:38.56 | RST38h | Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2011-03-12_1800_NHK_S%C5%8Dg%C5%8D_channel_news_program_screen_shot.jpg |
| 11:39.22 | RST38h | Also see news summary here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant#2011_earthquake_events |
| 11:40.53 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.16 | pupnik | merlin1991: what kind of stats |
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| 11:43.29 | merlin1991 | dl stats |
| 11:43.34 | RST38h | It is the secondary containment hull, the one where they pumped all the radioactive gas from the primary hull |
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| 11:48.14 | wazd_ | RST38h: hola :) |
| 11:48.42 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 11:51.31 | RST38h | wonders why all the "serious" news agencies like CNN, BBC, etc are reusing NHK footage |
| 11:52.16 | kerio | RST38h: would you *go* there to record stuff? |
| 11:52.39 | RST38h | kerio: Depends on the pay |
| 11:52.45 | RST38h | kerio: But yes, possibly. |
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| 11:53.26 | wazd_ | RST38h: why have you ignored meego conference? :) |
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| 11:54.54 | RST38h | wazd: none of the nokia people I know were coming |
| 11:54.59 | RST38h | wazd: and had work to do =( |
| 11:55.28 | wazd_ | RST38h: ah |
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| 13:03.23 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 13:03.32 | Jaffa | er, af'noon here admittedly. |
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| 13:09.48 | merlin1991 | hey Jaffa |
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| 13:16.04 | wazd_ | Jaffa: heya :) |
| 13:16.27 | wazd_ | Jaffa: I was playing around a bit with CSSU icon |
| 13:16.40 | wazd_ | Jaffa: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png |
| 13:17.30 | merlin1991 | wazd_: that looks awesome |
| 13:17.55 | korhojoa | wazd_: yeah, that does look awesome |
| 13:20.27 | wazd_ | cool :) |
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| 13:22.52 | Macer | i wonder if nokia was praying that htc got hit by a tsunami |
| 13:24.21 | wazd_ | Macer: HTC is taiwan :) |
| 13:24.38 | SpeedEvil | Need a bigger tsunami. |
| 13:24.46 | SpeedEvil | Gotta get redmond too. |
| 13:31.00 | Macer | hah |
| 13:31.11 | Macer | redmond i would give you |
| 13:31.16 | Macer | but htc isn't bad |
| 13:33.14 | dangergrrl | they don't make cool linux phones |
| 13:33.29 | dangergrrl | but apparently nokia does not intend to anymore either |
| 13:34.36 | dangergrrl | today i plan on breaking my pc while futzing with my n900 |
| 13:35.36 | alterego | dangergrrl: that's not entirely true, they'll continue building a meego phone a year from what I can see. |
| 13:37.48 | dangergrrl | we shall see |
| 13:38.11 | dangergrrl | so is there anything more fun than breaking the n900? |
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| 13:43.24 | psycho_oreos | breaking in what way? |
| 13:44.16 | MohammadAG | physically obviously |
| 13:44.17 | alterego | I find most fun in writing software to make it better. |
| 13:44.17 | MohammadAG | :p |
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| 13:44.54 | alterego | Building software is very rewarding I find. There's nothing quite like it. |
| 13:45.04 | psycho_oreos | someone must be awfully rich to must break their n900 |
| 13:45.14 | alterego | Sense of achievement when your plan comes together and it all starts working. |
| 13:45.41 | psycho_oreos | I mean to physically break it |
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| 13:50.10 | Arkenoi | china is our only hope |
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| 13:51.09 | slonopotamus | anyone knows a fix for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66376 ? |
| 13:51.10 | Arkenoi | if anyone is brave enough to invest about $1M in making a truly open phone based on something like maemo/meego, we are all saved |
| 13:51.24 | Arkenoi | openmoko does not qualify, sorry |
| 13:51.32 | Arkenoi | both from hardware and software viewpoint |
| 13:52.06 | SpeedEvil | $1M will _not_ cover the software dev |
| 13:52.14 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty optimistic for hw. |
| 13:52.19 | SpeedEvil | And fairly small. |
| 13:52.20 | kerio | $1M won't cover the fcc certification, will it |
| 13:52.27 | SpeedEvil | dunno. |
| 13:52.46 | Arkenoi | kerio, screw it, maIl orders are ok |
| 13:53.06 | Arkenoi | as fake iphone manufacturers deal with it |
| 13:53.15 | slonopotamus | afaik, openpandora had much less amount of money and still ships devices |
| 13:53.17 | alterego | Hardware is what is important, as long as it's capable of running MeeGo software isn't much of an issue. |
| 13:53.48 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, you overestimate. have a look at any chinese android model. Do you think every one has over $1M invested in it? |
| 13:54.24 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: To make a new phone if you don't have an existing design team, and parts availability, yes. |
| 13:54.28 | Arkenoi | alterego, we still need somebody to do the port, i'd rather not expect it to be completely community driven |
| 13:54.57 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, there are parts for any taste, just they all do androids atm. |
| 13:55.14 | alterego | Arkenoi: well, if it was a community driven device, like a pandaphone, then MeeGo would already work as is |
| 13:55.19 | alterego | And very well. |
| 13:55.21 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: By parts, I mean obtaining cellphone parts. |
| 13:55.31 | Arkenoi | $200 for 800x480 capacitive and 460MHz ARM with dual gsm radio and wifi is impressive |
| 13:55.46 | SpeedEvil | All 3G vendors are basically completely uninterested in small orders (under 50K) |
| 13:55.58 | SpeedEvil | This is a problem for small runs. |
| 13:56.22 | alterego | yeah |
| 13:56.38 | alterego | It's unfortunate really :) |
| 13:56.52 | SpeedEvil | If you can get with a chinese vendor that's making 3G smartphones, and convince them to make you a custom model, which may involve no hardware mods - the cost may fall. |
| 13:57.06 | alterego | wonders if mobile electronics will ever become more affordable. |
| 13:57.12 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, 2K units is fairly enough to be interesting for china manufacturers, as i was said. |
| 13:57.33 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, sure, that is the way to do. |
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| 13:57.58 | alterego | So, find a handset that has our specs, and get them to make a load with the ability to run and flash meego |
| 13:58.06 | Arkenoi | even more, you may take existing android design and just request improvements you need. |
| 13:58.12 | alterego | So we'd need a flashing solution like nolo |
| 13:59.07 | alterego | So someone would have to write a good bootloader/flashing solution |
| 13:59.07 | SpeedEvil | The other issue is that a substantial portion of the reason I bought the n900 is the n. |
| 13:59.11 | alterego | uboot may help |
| 13:59.17 | Arkenoi | now i am trying to find a guy with million bucks to spare :-) |
| 13:59.20 | alterego | Or give us open access to jtag |
| 13:59.21 | SpeedEvil | That is - I can walk into a nokia store, and start yelling. |
| 13:59.37 | SpeedEvil | And they will have an actual warranty. |
| 14:00.09 | alterego | Yeah, any decent device will cost about what you'd spend on a handset anyway, but without any kind of assurances. |
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| 14:00.17 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, does not work in third world countries, like Russia. At all, i mean. |
| 14:00.25 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Sure. 'I'. |
| 14:00.36 | SpeedEvil | I don't much care about people living in russia. |
| 14:00.44 | SpeedEvil | (from a POV of their warranty issues) |
| 14:00.49 | alterego | otoh, there's some cool efforts on getting MeeGo on android phones. |
| 14:00.56 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 14:01.06 | alterego | So buy an Android phone and stick MeeGo on it :) |
| 14:01.44 | Arkenoi | alterego, url? :-) |
| 14:01.55 | alterego | Android devices aren't gonna die anytime soon, we get good hardware specs at the most competitively priced we can get. |
| 14:03.04 | alterego | Or, maybe we could show a manufacturer like Samsung, or HTC that there is huge interest in a hacker phone that will run MeeGo, even if it's stock built with Android |
| 14:03.12 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, third-line makers don't really get the whole open-source thing. |
| 14:03.19 | SpeedEvil | GPL-violations ar emore common than not |
| 14:03.43 | alterego | So we say, can you make one of your handsets a little more friendly to us hacking MeeGo on it. |
| 14:04.11 | alterego | It'd be hard to ignore if there was enough interest |
| 14:04.21 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 14:04.40 | alterego | And you're not asking for too much either, so it may have a good chance. |
| 14:05.14 | dangergrrl | argh |
| 14:05.15 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, yep, chinese guys require some extreme communication skill to force them to make something open for you |
| 14:05.27 | dangergrrl | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash |
| 14:05.35 | dangergrrl | i'm trying solution #6 |
| 14:05.50 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, they are even worse than big corporations in that sometimes |
| 14:06.06 | alterego | We should look at the different Android devices and see whos' devices meet our requirements best |
| 14:06.38 | SpeedEvil | You really also probably need a native speaker. |
| 14:06.45 | alterego | I'd vote TI based OMAP core, as TI are friendly to MeeGo and we have a lot of good work going on there already. |
| 14:06.55 | Arkenoi | The only good thing is that they are greedy. Show them live money and tell someone else will get if if they are not going to be cooperative and they probably will. Or someone else will :-) |
| 14:07.01 | dangergrrl | dmesg gives me: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/352408/ |
| 14:07.09 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, sure. |
| 14:07.10 | alterego | Keeping the hardware as "generic" as possible is a good idea. |
| 14:07.20 | dangergrrl | am i missing some driver i need? |
| 14:07.27 | dangergrrl | (on the pc end) |
| 14:12.44 | alterego | Probably, what are you doing? |
| 14:12.53 | Arkenoi | (and i still need to accomplish by quest A: "get encryption usable on maemo/meego, given i do not have budget to hire a software development company, but just barely enough to pay individuals who are willing to" |
| 14:12.55 | Arkenoi | ) |
| 14:13.45 | Arkenoi | turned out to be *much* more complicated than i expected, despite the fact it is not the first project like that i managed and previous ones were successfull |
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| 14:20.36 | dangergrrl | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 14:20.42 | dangergrrl | i'm trying to do that |
| 14:21.01 | dangergrrl | when i enable usb mass storage mode lsusb on my pc hangs |
| 14:21.19 | Arkenoi | Nokia made Maemo to be extremely hard to live with without Nokia, I hope Meego handset will be usable without proprietary components. |
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| 15:25.54 | GAN900 | Cult of Apple is scary |
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| 15:27.04 | GAN900 | "OK, run through the middle of all the store employees and we'll clap, cheer and give you high-fives for buying a piece of plastic, metal and silicon." |
| 15:29.05 | dangergrrl | you can't even change the battery |
| 15:29.07 | kerio | apple nowadays makes a great laptop, a great all-in-one computer, a cute-but-better-alternatives-exist htpc, and a shitton of crap |
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| 15:29.32 | kerio | oh wait, there's also the mac pro |
| 15:30.37 | dangergrrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.37 | dangergrrl | appears to be the latest rescue initrd |
| 15:31.05 | dangergrrl | battery ran down trying to get the older one to work, waiting to have some charge |
| 15:31.07 | GAN900 | kerio, which'd be excellent if the GPUs weren't always a generation old. |
| 15:31.41 | GAN900 | Be nice if somebody made laptops like Apple. |
| 15:32.18 | cehteh | sony :P |
| 15:32.43 | kerio | cehteh: there's not even a comparison there |
| 15:32.48 | kerio | vaios are absolute crap |
| 15:32.55 | dangergrrl | it would be nice if i could afford a panasonic toughbook |
| 15:33.15 | cehteh | hehe iirc sony is the only other manufacturer which uses some unibody like producing process |
| 15:33.47 | cehteh | but well i have a hp with a moulded metall casing, and its extremely rigid too .. so i dont want sony or apple crap |
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| 15:34.27 | cehteh | compaq 2510p .. rated as "build like a tank" :) |
| 15:34.49 | GAN900 | is with kerio |
| 15:34.59 | GAN900 | Sony is just junky like the rest. |
| 15:35.14 | cehteh | yes .. like apple :P |
| 15:35.25 | dangergrrl | toughbooks are not junky, just expensive |
| 15:35.28 | GAN900 | Bigger issue is the terrible TN displays everybody else ships. |
| 15:35.41 | dangergrrl | but indestructable |
| 15:35.48 | GAN900 | and ugly as sin. |
| 15:36.08 | cehteh | i dont care about uglyness .. endurance and robustness are the things i need |
| 15:36.28 | GAN900 | Some of the field research Toughbooks the USGS guys here use are obscenely messed up. Still work fine, though. |
| 15:36.40 | cehteh | apple has some nice features .. like the backlight keyboard which doesnt accumulate breadcrumbs .. |
| 15:37.02 | kerio | cehteh: well my mbp fell from 1.2m on its angle and all that happened was that there's now a dent on the chassis |
| 15:37.02 | cehteh | but otherwise its 90% bling bling |
| 15:37.09 | javispedro | heh |
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| 15:37.25 | cehteh | for a laptop TN is good enough imo .. i rarely watch from wide angles on a laptop |
| 15:37.40 | javispedro | it's like that slashdot article about the cracking competition -- "mbp fell first" -> "must have been because the crackers wanted to get it as prize!" |
| 15:37.43 | cehteh | kerio: my hp fell that way and there is no dent |
| 15:37.49 | GAN900 | cehteh, not when the top and bottom of the screen are different colors. |
| 15:37.49 | kerio | cool |
| 15:38.11 | cehteh | GAN900: yes there are differences in TN too .. some are really ugly |
| 15:38.44 | cehteh | for somethink like and tablet (which you rotate) or a big screen IPS is definately a big plus |
| 15:38.54 | GAN900 | That MeeGoConf Lenovo is so bad you can't use it as a tablet. |
| 15:39.06 | cehteh | but in case of my 12" latop you hardly see any color differences |
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| 15:39.36 | GAN900 | That new Lenovo 12.5" with the IPS looks interesting. |
| 15:39.45 | cehteh | tablet? |
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| 15:40.20 | cehteh | anything you rotate or watch from different angles is certainly much better when its an IPS ... but for a normal ultraportable laptop, there is no need |
| 15:42.59 | cehteh | http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3905 i would admit my laptop is ugly .. but its now few years old and the keyboard shows wear signs, otherwise its in absolutely good condition no scratches and bends .. and i am a rough laptop user, my former one with a plastic body broke in the middle after 1,5 years |
| 15:43.14 | cehteh | (often carry it on bike) |
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| 15:43.33 | GAN900 | cehteh, tell that to the TN on my Mini 9. |
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| 15:47.06 | cehteh | thats a cheap netbook or? |
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| 15:48.43 | cehteh | .. well and cheap netbooks are cheap netbooks, you shouldnt compare that with business notebooks |
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| 15:52.16 | an0therb0x | anybody know how i can manually change the ring tone on my N900 , i have reflashed multiple times and its suck on the default nokia tone, i have changed it in the profiles and even used mp3 files |
| 15:52.49 | kerio | you reflashed multiple times for a ringtone? :< |
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| 15:54.16 | BCMM | an0therb0x: so you change the ringing tone under settings->profiles, but nothing changes? |
| 15:54.30 | user____ | I got a music streaming side is there a way to write plugins for the media player that I can search and strean music from it? (I wrote a python library for starters) |
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| 15:56.14 | an0therb0x | BCMM : that is correct, i can not stand the default nokia tone |
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| 15:57.01 | dangergrrl | one of the reasons i got a n900 it it seemed like it would be more protectable like camping out on the beach and such |
| 15:57.25 | an0therb0x | BCMM: right now the tone selected shows "Temporal" |
| 15:57.26 | dangergrrl | only need a small plastic bag to cover it from wet |
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| 16:00.17 | BCMM | an0therb0x: do you have any of those profile-management applications installed? |
| 16:00.25 | BCMM | the ones that let you have more than two profiles and so on? |
| 16:01.51 | dangergrrl | ok |
| 16:02.10 | an0therb0x | BCMM: i am back to "factory" install now |
| 16:02.20 | dangergrrl | the meego 1.0 nor 1.1 rootfs recovery images give me a working usb device |
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| 16:06.02 | dangergrrl | the 1.1 version won't load the modules |
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| 16:09.20 | lolcat | user____: I ghosted user |
| 16:10.08 | mynameisthomas | I got a music streaming side is there a way to write plugins for the media player that I can search and strean music from it? (I wrote a python library for starters) |
| 16:10.28 | mynameisthomas | k lolcat |
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| 16:10.49 | mynameisthomas | could have thought so need to change my irssi config |
| 16:11.00 | lolcat | I did it so you could use user |
| 16:12.07 | mynameisthomas | lolcat: thank you but I think I will now leave this name I dislike being called user |
| 16:12.22 | mynameisthomas | got a hilight on thomas too |
| 16:12.57 | dm8tbr | too, JFTR |
| 16:14.20 | mynameisthomas | so lolcat any ideas how to easily include some streaming sides with search in the n900?I tried to find some useful things but google wasn't helping at all |
| 16:14.50 | lolcat | No idea, wich ones? |
| 16:15.14 | dangergrrl | gonna try the latest 1.1.90 |
| 16:18.45 | mece | dangergrrl, check qa first and see what works |
| 16:18.58 | mece | dangergrrl: http://qa-reports.meego.com/ |
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| 16:39.29 | RST38h | ; |
| 16:40.19 | trumee | ~ping |
| 16:40.19 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:56.02 | javispedro | wtf? |
| 16:56.05 | javispedro | chrome for linux ad |
| 16:56.19 | javispedro | in a sense, this is probably the first ad I ever see for Linux software. |
| 16:57.15 | GAN900 | Hehe |
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| 17:21.14 | javispedro | heh, gtk bindings for qt/c++ =) |
| 17:21.19 | javispedro | http://live.gnome.org/GObjectIntrospection/GObjectConsume |
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| 17:23.53 | Macer | javispedro: so... the beginning of the end? |
| 17:24.00 | Macer | gtk needs to be abolished |
| 17:24.40 | Macer | maybe we should send in the old school catholic church and have them burn all memories of gtk |
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| 17:28.01 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 17:28.23 | MohammadAG | is there something like nohup that doesn't redirect output? |
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| 17:28.57 | MohammadAG | basically, I want wget to stay alive even if my ssh session dies |
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| 17:29.20 | Jef91 | Anyone know the about:config value offhand to enable flash in fennec on the N900? |
| 17:30.34 | javispedro | MohammadAG: you might want to look into GNU screen... be warned it is the swiss army knife of this kind of stuff. |
| 17:31.21 | Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: launch wget from inside a screen session on the remote server |
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| 17:32.02 | Lava_Croft | you can even do multiplayer wget |
| 17:32.06 | Lava_Croft | its such a blast |
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| 17:33.46 | MohammadAG | hmm, so screen keeps running even if the ssh session dies? |
| 17:34.26 | javispedro | screen could be best explained as some kind of xvnc for your terminal... |
| 17:34.33 | Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: yes |
| 17:34.36 | BCMM | MohammadAG: yeah, you can have 0 to lots of "connections" to th session |
| 17:34.45 | BCMM | and it keeps running |
| 17:35.06 | MohammadAG | I assume I don't need to specify the session when I want to reconnect to it right? |
| 17:35.12 | MohammadAG | just run screen as the same user |
| 17:35.15 | Lava_Croft | yeah |
| 17:35.25 | Lava_Croft | and you can do screen -x sessionname to attach again |
| 17:35.35 | Lava_Croft | easier is to launch with screen -S sessionname |
| 17:35.52 | Lava_Croft | so it dont autogenerate annoying names |
| 17:36.02 | Lava_Croft | if you have just one session running, screen -x will do |
| 17:36.16 | dangergrrl | hah |
| 17:36.19 | dangergrrl | i got it |
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| 17:37.31 | dangergrrl | the doc says you have to --enable-rd-mode, this is false, you must --disable-rd-mode when you use flasher to boot the meego 1.0 rootfs image, then hit u and you can use gparted on a pc to repartition |
| 17:37.36 | BCMM | MohammadAG: if you only have one session running, you don't need to specify |
| 17:38.01 | BCMM | MohammadAG: screen -x is great; if you have only a single session running, it will connect to it without asking any questions |
| 17:38.06 | Lava_Croft | aye |
| 17:38.09 | BCMM | and without disconnecting any existing clients |
| 17:38.22 | Lava_Croft | it does keep the termsize of the first one to login to it tho |
| 17:38.42 | BCMM | so it's possible to view the same shell on, for example, your n900 and your desktop over ssh |
| 17:39.03 | Lava_Croft | i use screen and irssi |
| 17:39.14 | Lava_Croft | so i can login to the same irssi session from anywhere |
| 17:39.36 | MohammadAG | cool, thanks |
| 17:39.43 | BCMM | MohammadAG: a note about terminology: screen also supports multiple "windows", in a single session |
| 17:39.52 | Lava_Croft | even split windows! |
| 17:39.59 | Lava_Croft | iirc |
| 17:40.15 | BCMM | with the key combo "C-a a" working a bit like alt-tab |
| 17:40.33 | BCMM | each window can run a different shell or command |
| 17:40.45 | BCMM | new users sometimes get confused between windows and sessions |
| 17:40.49 | Lava_Croft | just watch out that you dont go about starting screen sessions in screen sessions |
| 17:40.56 | kerio | yo dawg |
| 17:40.59 | Lava_Croft | although you probably will start nesting them horrible at one point |
| 17:41.00 | Lava_Croft | we all do |
| 17:41.11 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 17:41.18 | kerio | anyway, tmux > screen |
| 17:41.21 | BCMM | it lets you? |
| 17:41.22 | kerio | it's just less common |
| 17:41.28 | Lava_Croft | BCMM: sure |
| 17:41.28 | kerio | BCMM: sure, why not |
| 17:41.39 | kerio | like VNC |
| 17:41.43 | BCMM | on gentoo, the default config won't let you attach from inside a screen |
| 17:42.01 | BCMM | i've done it while nesting SSH sessions though |
| 17:42.31 | BCMM | remembering how many times to press "a" when trying to pass a command down the stack is amusing |
| 17:42.36 | MohammadAG | can nest screen sessions on Ubuntu |
| 17:43.05 | BCMM | MohammadAG: if you mean running "screen" in a screen session, that's just a shortcut to making a new window |
| 17:43.17 | BCMM | (at least on my version) |
| 17:43.43 | BCMM | ctrl-a space to switch to the old one |
| 17:44.07 | BCMM | (when i said ctrl-a a was the combo, that was a typo. that's the combo to send an actual ctrl-a to the window) |
| 17:44.32 | MohammadAG | hmm, so how does one nest them? |
| 17:44.44 | BCMM | if i do screen -x (to make it clear that i don't want a new window) inside a session, i get "Attaching from inside of screen?", and nothing happens |
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| 17:47.18 | BCMM | oh, it's not a config thing. it's just screen -x inside screen that it doesn't like |
| 17:47.34 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 17:47.57 | BCMM | MohammadAG: one way is to start another session from an ordinary terminal, detach (C-a d), then screen -r from the sessions you want to nest in |
| 17:48.04 | BCMM | but if i were you, i wouldn't... |
| 17:48.12 | dangergrrl | well, that was painful |
| 17:48.16 | BCMM | it gets kinda funky |
| 17:49.05 | dangergrrl | but i can verify http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash option #6 works but only if you change --enable-rd-mode to --disable-rd-mode |
| 17:50.02 | BCMM | anyway, i've always just run one session at a time, possibly with several windows |
| 17:50.39 | dangergrrl | i'm wondering if i shouldn't have made swap larger while i was at it though |
| 17:51.12 | BCMM | there is a set of parameters you can pass which will connect to the running session or start a new session if there isn't one; it can be quite useful to have a button that starts xterm with that command as the shell |
| 17:51.37 | MohammadAG | R&D mode doesn't affect partitioning |
| 17:51.49 | MohammadAG | I've been in R&D mode since April |
| 17:52.04 | dangergrrl | it affects whether the disks show up from that kernel |
| 17:52.11 | MohammadAG | no |
| 17:52.20 | MohammadAG | MeeGo initrd? |
| 17:52.25 | dangergrrl | with rd mode lspci was locking |
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| 17:52.29 | dangergrrl | yes |
| 17:52.35 | MohammadAG | it can't export the eMMC unless you pull the battery for some reason |
| 17:52.43 | MohammadAG | otherwise it doesn't create dev nodes |
| 17:52.55 | vi__ | yo |
| 17:53.04 | MohammadAG | I guess you going into flashing mode "simulated" the battery removal, so you blamed it on R&D mode :p |
| 17:53.05 | vi__ | n900 rulz |
| 17:53.20 | dangergrrl | i removed the battery like 10 times |
| 17:53.22 | vi__ | when are pr1.4 is coming out? |
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| 17:54.08 | dangergrrl | i was giving up and followed the comment at the end to be sure and disable rd mode |
| 17:54.21 | dangergrrl | hit u once more for grins and it worked |
| 17:54.47 | vi__ | who here knows about dbus-scripts? |
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| 17:56.04 | vi__ | dbus-script settings matches wlan disconnect to wlan IDLE. Unfortunatley wlan IDLE occours all the time in Power saving mode |
| 17:56.34 | vi__ | what message do i use to run a script on disconnect? |
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| 18:11.56 | MohammadAG | <vi__> when are pr1.4 is coming out? <-- seriously, you're still expecting one? |
| 18:16.29 | javispedro | jhey |
| 18:16.32 | javispedro | I could see one. |
| 18:16.36 | javispedro | however with Qt only changes. |
| 18:17.16 | javispedro | (and nothing, absolutely nothing more) |
| 18:18.07 | pupnik | hmm what is a watercooled gtx 285 worth? |
| 18:18.50 | MohammadAG | why the fuck would an operator change its name |
| 18:18.50 | MohammadAG | It changed on my N900 and N8 so far... |
| 18:19.15 | javispedro | operators are evil bastards, you know. |
| 18:19.35 | MohammadAG | my operator can still get 17% tax if my bill's 0 |
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| 18:22.02 | timeless_xchat | javispedro: actually, i half expected one of those |
| 18:22.41 | timeless_xchat | but only if the version of Qt in hypothetical device is not at the same middle version as pr1.3 |
| 18:22.49 | timeless_xchat | e.g. 4.8 v 4.7 |
| 18:25.01 | Macer | MohammadAG: hahahaha |
| 18:25.16 | Macer | MohammadAG: isn't that $0? |
| 18:27.45 | dangergrrl | i should have asked this |
| 18:28.15 | dangergrrl | how much space do i need in /home to actually compile things on the n900 itself? |
| 18:28.24 | dangergrrl | and do i need to expand the swap area too? |
| 18:28.25 | Macer | i wonder if they sent him a bill with a due date of $0.00 |
| 18:32.21 | RST38h | Moo, all |
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| 18:32.28 | RST38h | javispedro: heya |
| 18:33.24 | MohammadAG | Macer, not with my operator |
| 18:33.26 | MohammadAG | 17% of 0 can make up quite a large number |
| 18:33.37 | MohammadAG | cd po && $(MAKE) DESTDIR=debian/status-area-orientationlock-applet install <-- doesn't this look right? |
| 18:35.16 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 18:36.07 | timeless_xchat | dangergrrl: do you have a power adapter handy? |
| 18:36.14 | timeless_xchat | if not, you'll need it |
| 18:36.25 | timeless_xchat | at which point, just use something else |
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| 18:38.22 | dangergrrl | i don't have an actual power adapter that the n900 likes |
| 18:38.35 | dangergrrl | only the usb cable |
| 18:39.51 | dangergrrl | i will be getting one that works though, i'll be doing some long rides and need to charge from my motorcycle, bought one, it just provides 12v across the usb power lines, n900 doesn't like it |
| 18:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: actually swap is way too large with 768MB. Making it even larger doesn't help |
| 18:40.46 | dangergrrl | you obviously can't compile a lot of things native then |
| 18:41.33 | lcuk | dangergrrl, eek, a USB lead that sends 12v down it? |
| 18:41.41 | lcuk | that does not sound healthy |
| 18:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | that for sure IS not healthy |
| 18:43.03 | BCMM | i cannot find a non-horrible car charger |
| 18:43.07 | dangergrrl | my moto phone doesn't like it either |
| 18:43.12 | BCMM | i'm on the verge of actually buying a Nokia one |
| 18:43.37 | dangergrrl | but the moto phone won't charge from anything that won't send it some specific usb greeting |
| 18:43.38 | BCMM | there needs to be a fancy sticker or logo for stuff that's compatible with the standard charging interface |
| 18:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | "I don't like that" said the dude when shot into the head |
| 18:43.46 | BCMM | if there is already, people need to bloody well use it |
| 18:44.24 | dangergrrl | i'm gonna have to try the charger my sister got at radio shack for $5 for her android phone |
| 18:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: that's the USB2 sticker |
| 18:45.23 | dangergrrl | the moto charger won't charge the n900 either i think it only sends power to devices it likes |
| 18:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: you're aware you're risking a 500$ device by trying to save some bucks on a proper charger? |
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| 18:46.30 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i don't mean ordinary USB2 power, i mean the battery charging spec |
| 18:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: and no, (USB) chargers never decide whether or not to send power. There's simply 2 or 3 different signalling methods to tell the device about the charger's capabilities |
| 18:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: the charging spec is a supplement of USB2.0 |
| 18:48.13 | BCMM | is it now required for something to be called "USB2.0"? |
| 18:48.28 | BCMM | and what about stuff that dates from before that spec, etc. |
| 18:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | actually USB2-OTG I guess |
| 18:49.25 | BCMM | presumably, the only safe ways to do a completely "dumb" charger are to do no negotiation, causing devices to assume they can't draw more than the minimum current the USB spec allows, or short d+ and d- like the newish standard says? |
| 18:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I'm not Jesus, don't ask me about the fate of all the billion USB devices built to date |
| 18:50.15 | Lava_Croft | http://lcd.satgnu.net/pics/n900/20110228_002.jpg |
| 18:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: well, that's kinda exactly what most devices do, and the #1 method as of USB charging supplement specs |
| 18:50.35 | BCMM | see, that's why chargers need a pretty sticker that means "D+ shorted to D- inside", and the maximum power they'll provide in practise next to it |
| 18:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | no need for the second half. Just make sure the charger can supply *enough* power |
| 18:51.18 | BCMM | Lava_Croft: presumably, that's to make it legal to install OS X? :) |
| 18:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | where "enough" for sure is met with 2A chargers |
| 18:52.06 | BCMM | uh, what i meant was that it's not always easy to identify the 2A chargers |
| 18:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | why would you want to "identify" them? |
| 18:52.57 | lolcat | TO know wich one to use |
| 18:53.08 | BCMM | so i can buy a charger that will cause the remaining battery life to increase instead of decrease slightly slower. |
| 18:53.24 | Jaffa | wazd_: Nice |
| 18:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | errr, mhm |
| 18:53.34 | BCMM | btw, anyone know how iWhatever USB charging works? when using an actual USB cable, does it follow that spec? |
| 18:54.01 | BCMM | can i just buy an "iphone car charger" |
| 18:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: actually all my chargers have some writing on them saying " nnnn mA max." |
| 18:54.14 | BCMM | (i've seen ones that have a USB port instead of an apple connector) |
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| 18:54.29 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: was it visible when they were in the box? |
| 18:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | on the box it's written in way larger letters |
| 18:55.15 | BCMM | well, you've met less stupid manufacturers than me i guess :) |
| 18:55.17 | Jaffa | BCMM: I believe the N900 is more strict than the normal "USB car chargers" implement |
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| 18:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'd never consider to buy a charger that's so crappy it not even mentions the voltage, accuracy +-%, and current |
| 18:55.57 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: my point exactly... |
| 18:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I told dangergrrl |
| 18:56.32 | BCMM | maybe i'll just look at the official nokia car chargers |
| 18:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | don't save a few bucks on charger! 12V will most likely kill your 500$ device |
| 18:56.42 | BCMM | anyone know what the cig plugs on those are like? |
| 18:56.45 | ZogG | wazd_, ping |
| 18:56.56 | BCMM | i.e. do they fall out of the socket in teh even of the car actually moving? |
| 18:57.29 | Macer | er |
| 18:57.49 | Macer | i have never had an issue with any charger for then900 |
| 18:58.06 | Macer | except one that didn't seem to have enough juice to charge it |
| 19:01.20 | dangergrrl | usb chargers are commodity items, i expected it to just work |
| 19:01.40 | timeless_xchat | chuckles |
| 19:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: USB never been meant to get abused as charger plug |
| 19:02.35 | MohammadAG | may I say the EU sucks for enforcing that? |
| 19:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | may I say the Chinese were first to enforce it |
| 19:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | and may I say Motorola did a hell of a job to invent new bizarre ways to abuse USB receptacles for things the never were meant for |
| 19:04.18 | timeless_xchat | mohammadag : eu just sucks |
| 19:04.19 | dangergrrl | perhaps not but car usb chargers are still a very common item thses days, they have them at the auto parts store and the grocery store |
| 19:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 19:05.15 | BCMM | "commodity" usb hardware - typically horrid |
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| 19:05.23 | BCMM | if it's anything more complicated than a cable |
| 19:05.36 | BCMM | (e.g. unbranded hubs) |
| 19:06.12 | ZogG | meh noone wants to talk to me or answer me, going to drink and play ps3 |
| 19:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: go sleep |
| 19:07.28 | dangergrrl | i should just amazon a nokia car charger |
| 19:07.43 | dangergrrl | they aren't even expensive just have to click and wait |
| 19:08.40 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: any good quality charger with D+/- shorted (either OOTB or by a freind who knows how to connect two wires, preferably by soldering) will do |
| 19:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | though actually Nokia USB chargers explicitly compatible with N900 aren't more then a few bucks |
| 19:09.59 | BCMM | +delivery... |
| 19:10.15 | dangergrrl | +waiting |
| 19:10.25 | dangergrrl | and i keep not ordering one online |
| 19:10.43 | BCMM | iirc, my local nokia shop didn't stock nokia car chargers for the n900 |
| 19:10.53 | dangergrrl | and then i saw one at the auto parts store when i was getting stuff for my motorcycle |
| 19:11.41 | dangergrrl | i'm actually procrastinating right now, i have to ride to the honda dealer to get an air cleaner and it's 30 miles and i want to stream pandora without my battery dieing :) |
| 19:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/ http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20_021411.zip USB 2.0 Link Power Management Addendum Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 specification as of July 16, 2007. // Suspend Current Limit Changes Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 Specification as of April 9, 2008 // 5V Short Circuit Withstand Requirement Change Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 Specification as of December 22, 2008 |
| 19:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.50 | RST38h | CS Profs Debate Role of Math In CS Education |
| 19:20.18 | RST38h | cackles: yes, yes, graduate more dumb people, give 'em degrees... |
| 19:21.19 | pupnik | 'but i don't need math for my php server and visual basic scripts' |
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| 19:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.usb.org/search?method=and&format=builtin-long&sort=score&words=charging // PDF Document USB_for_Portable_Devices_FINAL.pdf* // PDF Document USB_OTG_and_EH_2-0.pdf // et al |
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| 19:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | PDF Document otgc1_2.pdf* >>Correct TD.6.13 and TD.6.16 per OTG F2F Meeting Updated Battery Charging<< |
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| 19:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, it's a mess those docs convolute - I guess you all are aware we got no OTG just because even Nokia gave up on trying to meet all the requirements put up by usb.org, and as they needed charging they decided to sacrifice OTG |
| 19:28.31 | mece | DocScrutinizer, other recent nok phones have charging and otg though. |
| 19:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | other recent phones maybe got a tad more recent hardware |
| 19:29.14 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 19:29.29 | mece | DocScrutinizer, possibly |
| 19:29.37 | MohammadAG | what's the state of the council nominations if only one person is running |
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| 19:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | I gather everything got postponed by one or two weeks? |
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| 19:33.59 | RST38h | So, who is that lone lo^H^Hhero? |
| 19:36.16 | javispedro | I gather bad times ahead :P |
| 19:37.21 | Jaffa | RST38h: SD69 |
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| 19:39.09 | pupnik | what's good is smoku's move to get hildon running on meego |
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| 19:39.27 | RST38h | Ah, an N800 guy... |
| 19:39.52 | RST38h | pupnik: yea, hildon+meego+dellstreak = some coolness |
| 19:39.56 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I considered this scenario when setting up the council. If fewer than 5 candidates stand, there're clauses which deal with it. One of them being that the nomination time is extended (with the implicit assumption that the council would drum up more people). If there are still insufficient people then the current Council and qgil can do anything: nothing is ruled in or out. |
| 19:40.16 | Jaffa | RST38h: Who, IIRC, believes the forums are king. |
| 19:41.01 | RST38h | Jaffa: Can't argue on this point:forums are the only remaining lively part of Maemo"ecosystem" |
| 19:41.36 | javispedro | "and qgil can do anything"? |
| 19:42.02 | Jaffa | javispedro: "the current Council and qgil can [decide to] do anything" |
| 19:42.17 | javispedro | ah :P |
| 19:42.31 | Jaffa | RST38h: It's a crap way of distributing software |
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| 19:43.19 | RST38h | Jaffa: Nah,definitely not a way to distribute software |
| 19:43.26 | Jaffa | javispedro: e.g. install a benevolent dictator, disband the Council, continue the current Council for 6 months, hand-pick a Council, try the election again, ... |
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| 19:43.37 | RST38h | Jaffa: But I can understand why SD69 prefers it: the guy is still using N800 |
| 19:44.03 | RST38h | or even 770... |
| 19:44.07 | MohammadAG | I like the idea of dictatorship |
| 19:44.10 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 19:44.20 | doc|home | haven't you been bombed yet? |
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| 19:44.30 | RST38h | Dictatorship with no subjects, yes |
| 19:44.35 | javispedro | heh |
| 19:44.37 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 19:44.47 | doc|home | hehe |
| 19:44.57 | javispedro | the king of the toilet, as we use to say here. |
| 19:45.44 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: They could be called "Supreme Chancellor", and then establish a dwindling G"Empire" |
| 19:45.50 | RST38h | doc: Depending on where MohammadAG is at the moment, he has a choice of being bombed by either 1) a democratic republic or 2) a religious cleptocracy |
| 19:45.58 | doc|home | javispedro: man, if my toilet was producing oil I'd be fine with that |
| 19:46.04 | RST38h | doc:Few of us have such a freedom of choice... |
| 19:46.07 | pupnik | i would welcome some people leaving the forums |
| 19:46.11 | MohammadAG | 3) or myself |
| 19:46.20 | RST38h | That is always an option, yes |
| 19:46.26 | doc|home | RST38h: hmmm, I get that number 2 is the USA, who's number 1 in that list? |
| 19:46.26 | Jaffa | doc|home: If your toilet was producing oil, you should stop eating cars. |
| 19:46.33 | BCMM | MohammadAG: just one of the wonderful things you can with an overclocked n900. |
| 19:46.35 | doc|home | Jaffa: haha |
| 19:46.40 | RST38h | doc: No, you have not got it at all, sorry |
| 19:46.49 | MohammadAG | BCMM, or an inflated battery |
| 19:46.54 | MohammadAG | (which I have 3x of) |
| 19:46.55 | doc|home | RST38h: haven't I? have you not been paying attention to the last 30 years? |
| 19:47.11 | BCMM | MohammadAG: wtf do you do to the poor things? |
| 19:47.22 | BCMM | or is that just what happens in warmer parts of the world? |
| 19:47.32 | MohammadAG | nah, I think they're bad batches |
| 19:47.38 | MohammadAG | the last one looks fake tbh |
| 19:47.51 | MohammadAG | the other ones were recalled by Nokia, 6610 times |
| 19:48.00 | MohammadAG | 6680* |
| 19:48.30 | korhojoa | any of you guys have a screen that has got two bright dots in it? |
| 19:48.42 | korhojoa | not the lcd, but the backlight probably |
| 19:48.46 | MohammadAG | mine has 800x480 bright dots |
| 19:49.02 | korhojoa | it's pretty annoying. i'm afraid to send mine in for a rma, i heard they're not returning the same phone anymore? |
| 19:49.06 | dm8tbr | my screen has hotspots, I just ignore them |
| 19:49.18 | korhojoa | my previous screen was perfect |
| 19:49.24 | korhojoa | no blunders whatever |
| 19:49.26 | korhojoa | this one is ass |
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| 20:04.52 | MohammadAG | Ovi store update on the N8, 4MBs, it's been 5 minutes... |
| 20:06.54 | wazd_ | MohammadAG: heya |
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| 20:07.22 | frals | MohammadAG: for downloading or installing? |
| 20:07.32 | wazd_ | MohammadAG: I've been working on CSSU icon, what do you think: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png |
| 20:07.50 | villager | korhojoa: yeah after I sent in my old phone with a broken usb, I got a new one with two bright backlight dots |
| 20:08.00 | MohammadAG | wazd_, it looks awesome :D |
| 20:08.01 | Zero_Dogg | Hi, are there any /software/ errors that can cause the n810 to reboot upon scanning for wireless networks? Mine hangs, and then reboots whenever scanning for wireless networks (rendering it rather useless). I suspect it could be the hw, though I'd like to check around first |
| 20:08.02 | kerio | wazd_: imgur or gtfo |
| 20:08.08 | MohammadAG | frals, downloading :) |
| 20:09.01 | MohammadAG | wazd_, I'll have it in the next update, just wondering, should I also use it for the About Community SSU part? |
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| 20:12.46 | kpoman | hi all once again ! |
| 20:13.07 | kpoman | do someone know hwo to install nitdroid? just to test |
| 20:14.32 | RST38h | tmo knows |
| 20:15.11 | cehteh | can you make phone calls with nitdroid? |
| 20:15.42 | kpoman | I am trying to use cfdisk on the maemo and it doesnt work ... onlsy sfdik ??? why ? |
| 20:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 20:18.06 | ZogG | hmmm qt has gtk flg support |
| 20:18.33 | ShadowJK | does "not work" mean it's not installed? |
| 20:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall I installed it and it worked as expected |
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| 20:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: NB *UN*installing nitdroid seems to be way more problematic than installing it |
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| 20:27.22 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I dont understand the multiboot part |
| 20:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | that's exactly the problematic part |
| 20:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | as it is messing around with maemo to get nitdroid working, and on uninstalling nitdroid you easily render maemo broken and need to reflash |
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| 20:44.48 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: but is maemo based on lilo, grub or something else nokia-propietary ? |
| 20:45.22 | timeless_w7ip | there's no lilo and there's no grub |
| 20:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | maemo is based on NOLO as far as bootloader is concerned |
| 20:45.44 | timeless_w7ip | and generally i think of lilo/grub as loaders for x86 |
| 20:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot is a nasty hack to reflash the kernel during boot |
| 20:46.12 | MohammadAG | before boot, preinit |
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| 20:46.34 | MohammadAG | quite a nice hack, if it didn't flash the kernel but loaded it instead |
| 20:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | meego is using uBoot for a real bootloader chainloaded by NOLO and starting up either maemo or meego |
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| 20:46.55 | MohammadAG | but yeah, uboot dpes that well |
| 20:46.59 | MohammadAG | does even |
| 20:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | while that multiboot, as MohammadAG said, is messing with maemo init process, and deinstalling nitdroid tends to break maemo's init as essential parts of multiboot get removed or messed up |
| 20:49.31 | Zero_Dogg | Is there any way I can install the base firmware image onto a sd card and boot from that? I'm beginning to think the internal memory card of my n810 is broken, because it keeps randomly rebooting |
| 20:50.43 | MohammadAG | what does cat /proc/bootreason output? |
| 20:51.27 | Zero_Dogg | will try to see if I can get that read on the next reboot, it just did it again. One moment |
| 20:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | Zero_Dogg: mine does as well |
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| 20:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | usual bootreason: watchdog |
| 20:54.06 | RST38h | [TSA will] retest every full-body X-ray scanner that emits ionizing radiation 247 machines at 38 airports after maintenance records on some of the devices showed radiation levels 10 times higher than expected. The TSA says that the records reflect math mistakes and that all the machines are safe. |
| 20:54.16 | Zero_Dogg | now it's stuck in a reboot loop again so can't get to the xterm before it reboots, I'll try reflashing again and see if I can't get to it then |
| 20:54.22 | RST38h | Math. CS people do not need it. |
| 20:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: since when are X-ray scanners used for body scans at airports? o.O |
| 20:55.36 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, they installed them a few years ago |
| 20:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | FFS I'd not even allow my doctor to do a full bodyscan with X-ray |
| 20:56.05 | RST38h | Doc: Since that guy trying to transport a bomb in his underwear |
| 20:56.34 | RST38h | Doc: Well, then you probably do not want to go to US nowadays |
| 20:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | WHO recommendations are to keep those to not more than once per year afaik |
| 20:57.15 | RST38h | Unless you enjoy dumb overweight men pulling you by the balls. |
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| 20:57.57 | lcuk | does not mind airport security - I note many more airports are doing blended checks around people which is good |
| 20:58.16 | lcuk | ie multiple phased stages through |
| 20:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | I hope they issue a proper radiation dosage report to every passenger scanned this way, so the med doctor knows what's permissible for further examination of cancer, broken bones etc, during the next 12 months |
| 20:59.29 | RST38h | Yea, right |
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| 21:00.35 | MohammadAG | airport security is meh |
| 21:00.43 | MohammadAG | especially around here |
| 21:02.12 | trumee | ~ping |
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| 21:03.12 | Zero_Dogg | MohammadAG: /proc/bootreason says "32wd to" |
| 21:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | 32watchdog_timeout |
| 21:04.23 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
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| 21:04.54 | internetishard | anyone here successfully using pidgin OTR on the n900? |
| 21:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro claims that timeout is caused by N810's nasty bme, which would of course mean those reboots may happen only when hooked up to charger |
| 21:06.56 | Zero_Dogg | well, mine happens whenever. Usually when it does something networky, like scan for wireless networks or attempt to bring usb networking up |
| 21:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, that's in line with my suspicions |
| 21:08.46 | wazd_ | MohammadAG: well, you can use it wherever you want :) |
| 21:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | wlan driver always been my prime suspect |
| 21:09.12 | Zero_Dogg | renders my device pretty much useless |
| 21:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, since battery swap mine seems to behave a bit better, but that might be placebo effect |
| 21:09.46 | wazd_ | MohammadAG: though I forgot where to get vector logo, .png one has a bit rough edges |
| 21:10.58 | MohammadAG | I never understood the difference between scalar and vector graphics :P |
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| 21:11.21 | MohammadAG | wb javispedro |
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| 21:11.35 | BCMM | huh? |
| 21:11.53 | BCMM | one is a grid of pixels, and therefore goes blocky when you zoom in and uses loads of storage |
| 21:12.00 | wazd_ | MohammadAG: same as me with C++ and Javascript :D |
| 21:12.07 | BCMM | the other instead stores instructions like "put a line here and a circle there" |
| 21:12.09 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | scalar graphics?? .oO(???) |
| 21:12.12 | BCMM | and therefore scales |
| 21:12.29 | BCMM | heh, i automatically corrected that to "raster" in my head... |
| 21:12.31 | BCMM | what? |
| 21:13.09 | BCMM | clearly, scaler graphics are like one-dimensional vector graphics. |
| 21:13.10 | MohammadAG | so vector ones can scale as much as I want without looking crappy? |
| 21:13.17 | BCMM | MohammadAG: within reason, yes |
| 21:13.36 | BCMM | MohammadAG: i mean, there exist SVG maps (as in of the world) which will be hopelessly inaccurate when zoomed |
| 21:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | what are scalar graphics? |
| 21:13.45 | BCMM | but at least they won't be blocky |
| 21:13.51 | lcuk | MohammadAG, yes, you can zoom in on a vector image and read the license plate from the raindrop coming off the side of a car in shot |
| 21:14.03 | MohammadAG | lcuk, cool! |
| 21:14.23 | javispedro | I guess raster... |
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| 21:14.32 | wazd_ | lcuk: absolutely, saw it on CSI too |
| 21:14.44 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:15.02 | MohammadAG | wait.. he wasn't joking? |
| 21:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: only when the cam is operating on layer 3 of the matrix, not on the phy layer |
| 21:15.12 | lcuk | ahhhh CSI |
| 21:15.14 | lcuk | GUI interface using visual basic to track the killers IP address CSI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU |
| 21:15.29 | n900evil | lcuk - seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUFkb0d1kbU |
| 21:15.31 | BCMM | MohammadAG: have a look at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Wikipedia-logo.svg in any reasonable browser and zoom all the way in |
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| 21:16.24 | lcuk | n900evil, I have seen pretty much every shot taken of Red Dwarf and have somewhere signed copy of Infinity welcomes careful drivers :) |
| 21:16.28 | MohammadAG | neat |
| 21:16.33 | n900evil | :) |
| 21:16.51 | n900evil | asdfrgtfrgbnbvfgthgghjvfghjkl mnhgfsdfghj |
| 21:16.53 | n900evil | oops |
| 21:17.18 | rtyler | kitty on the keyboard! |
| 21:17.49 | BCMM | rtyler: doggy eating n900 |
| 21:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: per definition when vector graphics are 2D the scalar graphics are 1D |
| 21:19.04 | n900evil | naah - I was trying to remove back protector. |
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| 21:21.00 | BCMM | MohammadAG: actually, modern fonts are probably the best example of a vector format |
| 21:21.10 | wazd_ | raster - pixels. vector - curves. That's the whole explaination :) |
| 21:21.23 | BCMM | note how even a 1000pt bracket is a smooth curve |
| 21:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | wazd_: off topic. What is scalar graphics? |
| 21:23.16 | lcuk | BCMM, no - modern fonts are an example of a generation program |
| 21:23.26 | lcuk | they are not stored purely as data afaik |
| 21:23.35 | BCMM | they express one-dimensional images in terms of "put a pixel 100px from the origin", of course |
| 21:23.43 | ZogG | is there way to leve a memos here? |
| 21:23.47 | ZogG | ~memo |
| 21:23.58 | lcuk | you can leave maemos here |
| 21:24.00 | BCMM | ZogG: /msg memoserv help |
| 21:24.29 | ZogG | BCMM yep, i know, i mean chan memos |
| 21:24.35 | ZogG | like from bot |
| 21:24.44 | ZogG | lcuk =) |
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| 21:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: one dimensional images? ooh, so that's the scalar images then. I just wonder what a 1D image looks like |
| 21:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | other than a straight line |
| 21:31.52 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: they're typically stretched in a second axis, to form web 2.0 gradients. |
| 21:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 21:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | so that's a question of the projection function used to transform 2D->1D->2D |
| 21:33.05 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer have you experienced this OTR issue with pidgin? |
| 21:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | I never used pidgin - well I used it once, for like one evening, when I decided it sucks |
| 21:34.16 | BCMM | in all seriousness, i have seen website featuring a 1xlots PNG that is stretched to form a gradient background... ugh |
| 21:34.34 | internetishard | lol, what do you use for IM? |
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| 21:35.06 | crashanddie_ | IRC? |
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| 21:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | on N900? xchat FTW |
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| 21:35.34 | internetishard | what about gtalk, msn, aim, etc? |
| 21:35.48 | DocScrutinizer | what's that? ;-P |
| 21:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | ooh the one is matching my I_HATE_g* regex trigger |
| 21:37.08 | BCMM | IM was obsolete when it was invented, due to IRC. |
| 21:37.19 | wazd_ | MohammadAG: http://s002.radikal.ru/i197/1103/a7/de9500437364.png - fixed icon |
| 21:37.25 | internetishard | BCMM: you must be joking... |
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| 21:37.47 | BCMM | i'm not joking; i'm just a zealot. |
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| 21:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, what is IM meant to do that IRC can't? |
| 21:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | the only other semi-useful alternative to messaging via IRC or SMS is SIP-chat, at least in my book |
| 21:51.31 | BCMM | well, msn has the ability |
| 21:51.33 | BCMM | sorry |
| 21:51.34 | SpeedEvil | IRC has splits, and non-existant offline message passing. |
| 21:51.50 | internetishard | well it is that everyone has that shit |
| 21:51.58 | internetishard | most people don't even know what IRC is |
| 21:52.02 | BCMM | msn has the ability to change the protocol and break existing software every so often. also, tic-tac-toe. |
| 21:52.08 | BCMM | IRC lacks both of those. |
| 21:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | define "everyybody" |
| 21:52.23 | internetishard | yeah yeah |
| 21:52.29 | BCMM | "what does MSN have that IRC doesn't? Girls." |
| 21:52.43 | BCMM | (this is a wholey facetious response to what doc just asked. please don't burn me.) |
| 21:53.09 | SpeedEvil | wishes someone would hack a femtocell |
| 21:53.19 | SpeedEvil | Now, that would be cool. |
| 21:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | err I don't even know what's MSN |
| 21:53.42 | BCMM | there used to be a thing called MSN Instant Messenger |
| 21:53.44 | BCMM | commonly called MSN |
| 21:53.45 | SpeedEvil | So it could act like a VOIP->GSM gateway, or a GSM->VOIP |
| 21:53.58 | BCMM | it turned into something .net, and is now probably windows live something |
| 21:54.27 | BCMM | but in some areas, it was pretty much what schoolkids used before Facebook IM, and it was always called "msn" |
| 21:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I gather that's exactly what femtocell hw is made for |
| 21:54.44 | BCMM | it totally sucked, but everybody knew about it |
| 21:54.46 | BCMM | kinda like facebook |
| 21:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: alas I never seen any |
| 21:54.52 | BCMM | or the win32 API |
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| 21:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: so WTF would anybody ask for that sh*t, rather than use a somewhat sane approach like IRC or SIP? |
| 21:56.59 | BCMM | because they haven't heard of it |
| 21:57.22 | BCMM | "so what's your MSN?" "oh, why don't you download an IRC client?" |
| 21:57.42 | BCMM | due to the nature of social interaction, brand-awareness trumps technical superiority :( |
| 21:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | especially when N900 supports yet another widespread fsckdup proprietary protocol for IM/VoIP, called skype |
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| 21:57.50 | BCMM | (see also, facebook) |
| 21:58.14 | internetishard | BCMM, the technical supperiority of an IM client is that it easy shows a list of contacts like a phonebook |
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| 21:58.51 | BCMM | you can fake a "critical mass", for tech that requires one, by putting it in the default Windows install |
| 21:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | I can't help feeling offended being asked about my IM client |
| 21:59.12 | internetishard | haha |
| 21:59.15 | internetishard | offended? |
| 21:59.23 | BCMM | like how websites found it easier to code for ie6 than to try and persuade users to get firefox |
| 21:59.38 | internetishard | I was asking about OTR, which is certifiably cool |
| 22:00.17 | BCMM | that it is |
| 22:00.29 | BCMM | i want a future in which everything is routinely encrypted |
| 22:00.51 | BCMM | it just doesn't take substantial resources anymore, for stuff like amounts of text humans can reasonably process |
| 22:00.59 | BCMM | and it's such a good idea on so many levels |
| 22:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | internetishard: that's nonsense, N900 contacts nicely integrates all kinds of "IM", except maybe IRC via xchat. For sure it does for SIP-chat, skype, and whatnot else |
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| 22:01.33 | joppu | glen.alkohol.ee/pld/irssijabbernotify.pl |
| 22:01.36 | joppu | fucking awesome |
| 22:02.07 | joppu | now if anyone pings me on IRC, it'll notify me directly on jabber on my N900 |
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| 22:02.23 | doc|home | joppu: don't you think that might |
| 22:02.25 | doc|home | joppu: get |
| 22:02.28 | doc|home | joppu: annoying |
| 22:02.34 | doc|home | joppu: ? |
| 22:02.35 | doc|home | :) |
| 22:02.46 | lcuk | joppu, nice one! |
| 22:02.54 | joppu | that's why there's flood protection! |
| 22:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | just like popups for highlight in xchat do |
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| 22:03.04 | lcuk | joppu, I do not think RST38h is correct this time |
| 22:03.12 | BCMM | that's nearly as cool as getting all your spam email SMSed to you. |
| 22:03.13 | lcuk | RST38h, what makes you think joppu will think it is annoying? |
| 22:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ?? |
| 22:03.50 | BCMM | this is the nature of geeks... |
| 22:04.04 | internetishard | That happens by default with IM clients ;] |
| 22:04.06 | BCMM | give them the tiniest amount of influence over a remote system, and they'll try to abuse it :) |
| 22:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: mental ETAB? |
| 22:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen RST38h |
| 22:05.12 | infobot | rst38h is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 196 messages. Is idling for 1h 5m 43s, last said: 'Yea, right'. |
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| 23:02.20 | anidel | nice, can't login in maemo.org anymore... how can I reset the password? |
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| 23:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | errr, login->"forgot your password?" |
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| 23:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | ohwell :-S >>Warning: pg_connect() [function.pg-connect]: Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server... |
| 23:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | wiki.maemo.org down!! |
| 23:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | errr broken |
| 23:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ^^^ |
| 23:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/fremantle-sdk-testing/?root=maemoexamples "server rejected connect" |
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| 23:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: GAN900: whom to PING ? |
| 23:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | weird some 3 servers went down today, one of them my mailserver |
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| 23:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | anidel: authentication is broken, that's not your password or general credentials. Mine doesn't work as well |
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| 23:44.36 | anidel | ah ...thanks |
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| 23:46.56 | vi__ | who here has the balls to look into the maemo source code and tell me what is assigned to interrupt 57? |
| 23:47.20 | vi__ | actually 56 |
| 23:47.26 | vi__ | and 37 |
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| 23:48.16 | SpeedEvil | What does cat /proc/interruptsshow? |
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| 23:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | general purpose timer, and I2C, prolly bus 1 |
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| 23:58.59 | vi__ | i know it is i2c, however what is spamming my i2c bus 10 times a second? |
