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| 01:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | OK, now a almost last word on OC: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3525-hirel.pdf page 122 3.3 Recommended Operating Conditions |
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| 01:05.39 | javispedro | 5% |
| 01:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | 100K total PowerOnHours when operating across all OPPs and keeping the time spent at OPP5 (overdrive = 600MHz) to less than 23K POH. --- for commercial grade device (up to 95°C) |
| 01:06.56 | javispedro | however none of those is the 100% equivalent to the 3430 iirc |
| 01:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | 50K total POH when operating across all OPPs and keeping the time spent at OPP5 to less than 10K POH. Total FaultsInThousand(?) Rate increases from design goal of 50FIT to 70FIT under these accelerated conditions. (for MIL(?) 105°C max devices) |
| 01:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: errr, afaik we got a 3530 in N900 |
| 01:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure if we got an A type (MIL 105°) |
| 01:10.15 | javispedro | hm? |
| 01:10.51 | javispedro | n900 is officially 3430 -- while 35xx are just "non mass market" equivalents to 34xx, I'm not sure the 3530 maps exactly to the 3430 |
| 01:11.07 | javispedro | as far as I know, the 3530 is the one in Pandora which was rated up to 720Mhz |
| 01:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it the other way round |
| 01:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | aah market of the masses, yeah |
| 01:12.21 | javispedro | same for 36xx vs 37xx |
| 01:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | nah, 35xx is rated for commercial usage (like in FIT etc, warranty, guaranteed time til EOL), and otherwise identical to 34xx AFAIK |
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| 01:14.29 | javispedro | I believe it's the other way =) |
| 01:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | the max freq rating is a property of the particular build you order, as 35xx is "built to order" while 34xx is sold at TI specs |
| 01:14.36 | javispedro | either way doesn't matter, it's nearly bed time =) |
| 01:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | whatever it is, you see the time til failure gets reduced drastically by a 10°C more |
| 01:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | and could easily be as short as 10k hours operation time @ 600MHz |
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| 01:16.53 | javispedro | yep |
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| 01:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | where you expect to see 7 of 100 devices broken after that 10kh |
| 01:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | increasing temperature or clock marginally will exponentially reduce lifetime until devices start to burn out |
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| 01:18.24 | DocScrutinizer | at 800MHz we might be at 1000h |
| 01:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | all heavily depending on Nokia's temperature concept in N900, which might even cause CPU to heat up to way more than 105° when overclocked |
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| 01:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe javispedro is right, and it's the 35xx series that are for normal mortals and the 34xx that are for OEMs building >10^6 devices |
| 01:42.55 | nox- | suddenly has mental images of n900 with builtin fans... |
| 01:42.56 | nox- | bbl |
| 01:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 01:52.17 | krayon | I guess the phone would be slightly less portable if you just cable tied some fans to it too :/ |
| 01:56.59 | dangergrrl | i am pleased |
| 01:57.28 | dangergrrl | i can stream pandora riding down the road and rebroadcast it to my fm radio on my bike |
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| 02:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | hi dangergrrl |
| 02:06.32 | DocScrutinizer | (fans) I got a few nice ideas to build forced ventilation into handheld without using classical fans of any miniaturized size |
| 02:07.14 | dangergrrl | does air even get into an n900? |
| 02:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | well, between kbd and screen there's no case, it's "open" |
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| 02:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | pretty good dust collector |
| 02:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't refer to N900 about those ventilation ideas |
| 02:09.44 | dangergrrl | well untill proven otherwise i still think it's the best handheld linux pc around |
| 02:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | I invented a few concepts for the never-built Openmoko gta04-mk2 I designed a while ago |
| 02:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: you're in good company about that notion here |
| 02:11.27 | dangergrrl | so what device can i get with dual core arm that's documented well enough for kernel hacking? |
| 02:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | dual arm cores? errr... |
| 02:12.32 | dangergrrl | i talked someone into ressurecting the utah oskit |
| 02:12.33 | dm8tbr | pandaboard |
| 02:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, actually N900 has 2 arm cores, one in SoC and one in BB5 cmt |
| 02:12.43 | dangergrrl | he wants me to help i think |
| 02:12.56 | dangergrrl | i'm mostly interested in SMP stuff |
| 02:13.24 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: ok I am at home and now it works really fine ! |
| 02:13.26 | kpoman | wow |
| 02:13.28 | kpoman | incredible |
| 02:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 02:13.50 | kpoman | the codec is ugly for the phone |
| 02:13.58 | kpoman | but I do see the image perfectly on the phone from the pc |
| 02:14.08 | kpoman | but on the other side it is ugly |
| 02:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | the cam is ugly on the N900 :-P That's not the codec's fault |
| 02:14.37 | kpoman | do you know if there is any kind of tuning params for telepathy ? |
| 02:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | get more light, that helps a lot |
| 02:15.20 | kpoman | yep I did that but the image is still ugly |
| 02:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | front cam is really abysmal |
| 02:15.25 | kpoman | sometimes it does a complete frame |
| 02:15.31 | kpoman | but then starts adding ugly boxes |
| 02:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 02:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | that's codec in fact |
| 02:15.46 | kpoman | yep |
| 02:16.01 | kpoman | I dont know if it is a bandwidth problem, would like to check those settings. where are they ??? |
| 02:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | NFI |
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| 02:16.44 | kpoman | this is interesting: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#Which_video_codec_do_I_need.3F |
| 02:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | ask colabora about where are those 300+ missing pages of docs about telepathy |
| 02:18.10 | kpoman | lol |
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| 02:18.54 | kpoman | let me see if it is related to bandwidth or codec |
| 02:19.02 | kpoman | I will do a home home call |
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| 02:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | gstreamer-codecs-ugly I've seen on N900 |
| 02:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | make sure it's actually not running across your internet connection twice |
| 02:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of routers can't reach their own public IP from W(L)AN |
| 02:21.52 | kpoman | apparently there are issues with wifi access points or routers for SIP technology |
| 02:22.01 | kpoman | I had to update my router's firmware (ddwrt) |
| 02:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | and of course you can't call yourself, so you'd need a second account somewhere I guess |
| 02:22.19 | kpoman | the strange part is now my pc connects via wifi but my phone doesnt via wifi, only via 3g |
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| 02:24.55 | kpoman | I did create 2 accounts :p |
| 02:25.14 | kpoman | and call from wifi to 3g etc.. |
| 02:25.33 | kpoman | it would be really nice to find logs about wtf is going on there |
| 02:28.05 | dangergrrl | so sipgate in us is out of numbers for now |
| 02:34.05 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: ok all the logs seem to go to dbus. I launched dbus-monitor and see lot of junk there |
| 02:34.07 | kpoman | lol |
| 02:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: duh, never knew they are in USA now as well |
| 02:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: dbus aren't logs, and you'll see lots and lots of stuff unrealted to telepathy |
| 02:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: try lsof |
| 02:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Logger |
| 02:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Debugging |
| 02:39.32 | kpoman | it doesnt show anything related to sofia nor sip |
| 02:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | FOO_PERSIST=1 FOO_DEBUG=all /path/to/telepathy-foo 2>&1 | tee foo.log |
| 02:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | (where foo should be gabble for Jabber, and the name of the relevant CM for the protocol you're having trouble with...) |
| 02:40.01 | dangergrrl | sipgate.com but they have no more numbetrs for now |
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| 02:41.08 | kpoman | it is /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip |
| 02:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 02:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | sounds correct |
| 02:41.26 | kpoman | do I do SOFIA_PERSIST=1 SOFIA_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip ? |
| 02:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | SOFIASIP I guess |
| 02:41.51 | kpoman | what is tee ? tail -f ? |
| 02:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | tee is a cmd |
| 02:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | it logs to a file AND stdout |
| 02:42.59 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: well It didnt print a single thing |
| 02:43.00 | kpoman | :s |
| 02:43.02 | kpoman | damend |
| 02:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | you can use >foo.log instead of |tee foo.log, if your're not interested in realtime output |
| 02:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | you've read the website? |
| 02:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | >>Obtaining logs |
| 02:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Debugging |
| 02:44.12 | kpoman | maybe I did run with root instead of user ? |
| 02:44.41 | kpoman | no, same thing as user |
| 02:44.44 | kpoman | let me see the link |
| 02:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | I apologize to colabora for my rant about the missing 300 pages, seems I found them :-) |
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| 02:52.34 | kpoman | I will ask on telepathy channel |
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| 02:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3264.html The offer will contain zero or more media streams (each media stream is described by an "m=" line and its associated attributes) |
| 02:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | >>In all cases, the formats in the "m=" line MUST be listed in order of preference, with the first format listed being preferred. In this case, preferred means that the recipient of the offer SHOULD use the format with the highest preference that is acceptable to it. |
| 02:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | >> If the bandwidth attribute is present for a stream, it indicates the desired bandwidth that the offerer would like to receive. |
| 03:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | >> If multiple media streams of different types are present, it means that the offerer wishes to use those streams at the same time. A typical case is an audio and a video stream as part of a videoconference. |
| 03:01.20 | kpoman | just another question : I am trying easy debian. why is it EXT2 instead of EXT3 ? |
| 03:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, possibly because ext3 isn't so extremely useful on flash stoarge? |
| 03:02.49 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I had reboots while updating and then ext2 got corrupted |
| 03:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | ext3 also can get corrupted |
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| 03:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | well, you can eaily convert to ext3 if you like |
| 03:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | tune2fs |
| 03:06.17 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I was just wondering why ext2, maybe faster ? maybe safer for a flash memory ? donno |
| 03:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | safer for flash, ext3 adds write actions when transferring the log to real fs |
| 03:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | err s/log/journal/ |
| 03:08.29 | kpoman | ok I see |
| 03:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | >>An offered stream MAY be rejected in the answer, ... To reject an offered stream, the port number in the corresponding stream in the answer MUST be set to zero. |
| 03:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | ^^^this means when your video call gets rejected for the video part, then the stream m= line in SDP msg has a port number of zero |
| 03:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | ...while tracing the SDP offer msg generated by N900 calling out tells you what codecs the N900 supports, and in which priority sort order |
| 03:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | wireshark dissects these SDP mgs nicely |
| 03:14.44 | pupnik_ | morning :> |
| 03:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | morning pupnik_ |
| 03:15.50 | pupnik_ | biughtr an old webcam for a couple euro and it was plug n play with kernel |
| 03:15.58 | pupnik_ | bought |
| 03:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: I.E. you see an inbound INVITE SIP msg that has a SDP section |
| 03:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | on your PC |
| 03:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | in this SDP section the N900 tells ekiga what codecs to use |
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| 03:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | ekiga will choose the first codec in that list which it supports, and answer with a similar SIP msg with SDP section |
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| 03:24.17 | kpoman | sorry I just got back here |
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| 03:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: NB also for your port forwards etc: >>> The connection address and port in the answer indicate the address where the answerer wishes to receive media (in the case of RTP, RTCP will be received on the port which is one higher unless there is an explicit indication otherwise). This address and port MUST be present even for sendonly streams; in the case of RTP, the port one higher is still used to receive RTCP. |
| 03:27.57 | ShadowJK | suspects ext3 is better than ext2 on flash anyway |
| 03:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | really? how that? |
| 03:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, journal rarely has erasepage misses |
| 03:29.12 | ShadowJK | exactly |
| 03:29.55 | ShadowJK | And ext2/ext3 assumes harddrives either succeed or fail at writing 512 byte sectors, and everything adjacent to those 512 byte sectors is left intact if stuff fails |
| 03:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | still if the writeout of the whole page gets aborted it's not any better than ext2 |
| 03:30.07 | ShadowJK | then flash goes and blows away 128k chunks of your data :D |
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| 03:31.15 | ShadowJK | my theory is that ext3 works faster (I saw that in benchmarks) because it first writes to journal and then when you're not doing much it can go sprinkle the journal all over the place |
| 03:31.20 | ShadowJK | the contents of the journal that is |
| 03:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 03:32.31 | ShadowJK | My ad-hoc "interactivity" benchmark showed ext4 as 10 times faster than ext3 anyway |
| 03:32.44 | ShadowJK | which is probably thanks to delayed allocation |
| 03:32.50 | chx | wow |
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| 03:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: err wut? Acoustic delusions? |
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| 03:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | which system? |
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| 04:00.33 | trip0 | hmm... why can't i video call using gtalk to a honeycomb tablet (that supports it) from my n900? |
| 04:01.09 | trip0 | but i can gtalk video call from my n900 to another n900 and from my n900 to a linux computer running the empathy client |
| 04:01.24 | trip0 | but i can't from empathy to the android tablet either |
| 04:01.36 | trip0 | calls BS on android |
| 04:01.42 | trip0 | they must be doing something no? |
| 04:02.05 | trip0 | i can only vid call from gtalk in a browser to the tablet |
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| 04:44.22 | kpoman | could someone please help me a bit ? I lost my sources.list on easy debian |
| 04:44.23 | kpoman | help ! |
| 04:44.40 | kpoman | if someone could post it somewhere ? |
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| 04:45.41 | kpoman | I installed a lame app, netselect-apt , it took about 5 minutes and then killed the sources.list file |
| 04:45.43 | kpoman | this really sucks |
| 04:46.50 | kpoman | why am i so unlucky damned |
| 04:46.52 | kpoman | :( |
| 04:48.51 | kpoman | ok got it |
| 04:49.00 | kpoman | is there a way to change the mirror to a brazil one ? |
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| 05:17.24 | kpoman | well this easy debian image thing is junky |
| 05:17.33 | kpoman | it always reboot |
| 05:17.39 | kpoman | it always corrupts the fs |
| 05:17.43 | kpoman | it really sucks |
| 05:17.56 | kpoman | it cannot be corrected, fsck.ext2 kills it all |
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| 05:28.09 | kpoman | ok I am putting easy debian in an ext3 fs |
| 05:28.18 | kpoman | hope it will solve this mess |
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| 05:48.03 | pisadaan | Hi, I am about to install Easy Desbian to MicroSd. Do I need to partition the card first? Sorry for the newbie question. |
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| 06:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | ouch heavy earthquake and tsunami in Japan |
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| 07:19.31 | _|Nix|_ | Hey! Does anyone know why omweather keeps timing out when I try to update it? |
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| 07:44.11 | dangergrrl | broke it again |
| 07:44.19 | dangergrrl | flasher is my friend |
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| 07:44.47 | robbiethe1st | Darnit, stop breaking things! |
| 07:45.15 | ruskie | hehe |
| 07:47.18 | pupnik_ | the interesting thing to me is |
| 07:47.27 | pupnik_ | how many hundreds of people were logged into #maemo |
| 07:47.29 | pupnik_ | who never talked |
| 07:47.40 | pupnik_ | that says something about how committed they were to the project |
| 07:47.47 | pupnik_ | "i'm getting paid to idle here" |
| 07:48.30 | pupnik_ | those shits can go work for microsoft |
| 07:48.37 | pupnik_ | and i hope they get cancer |
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| 07:48.52 | ruskie | lol |
| 07:49.00 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 07:49.05 | ruskie | is active participation actually required to support something? |
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| 07:49.30 | pupnik_ | yes it is |
| 07:49.30 | dangergrrl | right now my status is i fail to hack my n900 |
| 07:49.37 | dangergrrl | and i have to reflash it often |
| 07:49.50 | ruskie | dangergrrl, how often was it so far? |
| 07:49.52 | ArkN900 | is on fruct meego conference. fist presentation was to be Nokia, but was cancelled (as expected) |
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| 07:50.13 | dangergrrl | twice in two days |
| 07:50.20 | ruskie | so 4 times so far |
| 07:50.25 | ruskie | still below average ;) |
| 07:50.29 | dangergrrl | twice total |
| 07:50.32 | ruskie | ahh |
| 07:50.34 | ruskie | way below average |
| 07:50.35 | ArkN900 | only intel guys are talking so far |
| 07:50.37 | dangergrrl | i crashed it yesterday |
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| 07:50.47 | TheJ | nokia fist presentation.. lol |
| 07:50.48 | dangergrrl | flashed it and decided to call myself ahead |
| 07:51.00 | ArkN900 | first |
| 07:51.11 | ArkN900 | good typo :) |
| 07:51.19 | TheJ | yeah :) |
| 07:51.44 | ArkN900 | i'd even say middle finger |
| 07:51.45 | dangergrrl | i think we've already seen nokia fist their customers |
| 07:52.03 | TheJ | aaarrrgghh LOL |
| 07:52.08 | ArkN900 | well, really maybe more like fist |
| 07:53.03 | dangergrrl | miocrosoft spends far too much money messing up our toys |
| 07:54.05 | ArkN900 | atom shit talk all the way, boring |
| 07:55.06 | ruskie | it's intel... do you expect ANYTHING else than x86 arch??? |
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| 07:55.40 | dangergrrl | i thought intel had ARM rights too |
| 07:55.49 | ArkN900 | well, intel was involved in arm iirc |
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| 07:56.27 | ruskie | yeah involved... maybe 0.00001% of their business |
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| 07:57.54 | ArkN900 | btw they say meego is completely opensource and has no proprietary compopnents |
| 07:58.13 | ArkN900 | isn't it bs? |
| 07:58.26 | ruskie | ArkN900, well the core probably is |
| 07:58.36 | ArkN900 | ah, the core |
| 07:59.00 | ruskie | no clue about the UX layer but I thought that was as well |
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| 07:59.21 | ruskie | the problem comes from all the non intel x86 hw that gets stuck.. and hell even intels own hw requires bloby firmware |
| 07:59.21 | dangergrrl | meego has fewer closed components |
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| 07:59.57 | pupnik_ | microsoft is a twrrorust organiyation |
| 07:59.59 | dangergrrl | i haven't utsl much less booted it however |
| 08:00.04 | pupnik_ | terrorist |
| 08:00.22 | dangergrrl | are you welsh or something? |
| 08:00.44 | dangergrrl | :) |
| 08:00.45 | pupnik_ | no |
| 08:00.54 | dangergrrl | (twrrorust) |
| 08:01.08 | pupnik_ | phone kbd |
| 08:01.13 | dangergrrl | aha |
| 08:01.25 | ruskie | dangergrrl, the amount of closed components depends also on the vendor and the hardware |
| 08:01.42 | dangergrrl | those welsh like to use w as a vowel |
| 08:01.50 | ruskie | I believe android is also completly open source... |
| 08:02.14 | ruskie | until you put it on a device where the vendor adds it's own closed components and closed drivers |
| 08:02.16 | pupnik_ | dang.. i mess with microsofties |
| 08:02.36 | pupnik_ | it is good sport |
| 08:02.38 | dangergrrl | actually other than a lot of missing device support nitdroid works fine on n900 compiled from the open source android release |
| 08:03.18 | ArkN900 | talking much about notebook meego builds, mentioned lenovo being partner bla bla bla.. they gave me booklet about lenovo notebooks, guess what? no mention of linux of any flavor and w7 on every page |
| 08:03.23 | dangergrrl | not terribly useful other than as an exercise, half your phone isn't supported |
| 08:04.06 | ArkN900 | they could at least print a different one, but they just do not care |
| 08:04.08 | dangergrrl | like oh wow, i have flash 10 |
| 08:04.18 | dangergrrl | too bad my internet isn't supported :) |
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| 08:05.24 | ArkN900 | btw isn't meego painfully slow (as well as not fully functional) on n900? |
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| 08:05.54 | dangergrrl | i haven't tried |
| 08:06.01 | dangergrrl | the disclaimers are offputting |
| 08:06.24 | dangergrrl | (don't blame us if your phone calls finland for 12 hours in the background) |
| 08:06.53 | ruskie | ArkN900, nokia is actually giving man hours to get a usable meego port on the n900 |
| 08:07.13 | ruskie | the so called Developer Edition |
| 08:07.28 | dangergrrl | n900 is the meego ARM reference platform |
| 08:07.53 | ruskie | dangergrrl, that doesn't say much ;) |
| 08:08.15 | ArkN900 | ruskie, aren't meego system requirements noticeably higher than maemo5? |
| 08:08.22 | ruskie | no clue |
| 08:09.10 | dangergrrl | i don't see why they would be it's not like everything is java :) |
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| 08:10.53 | ruskie | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition <-- for the nokia initiative |
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| 08:30.43 | sq-one | what's the out of the box password to unlock the n900? |
| 08:30.59 | ruskie | you mean lock code? |
| 08:31.01 | ruskie | 12345 iirc |
| 08:31.15 | sq-one | yeah I kind of accidentally locked it |
| 08:31.20 | sq-one | mom |
| 08:32.07 | sq-one | ruskie: 12345 was correct thanks :) |
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| 08:38.01 | xkr47 | sq-one, the "security code" i.e. lock code is standard for all sim-based phones |
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| 08:40.07 | sq-one | xkr47: oh I didn't know that. I just switched from a windows mobile 6 phone to the n900 yesterday. On my old phone there wasn's such a thing |
| 08:40.07 | djszapi | How can I disable the voice pronouncing the time (no idea in which case and for what event, but randomly.....) on the swipe unlock screen ? |
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| 08:40.24 | ruskie | djszapi, you might have espeak time or what's that installed??? |
| 08:40.33 | ruskie | see control panel or whatever |
| 08:40.40 | ruskie | should be some info about it there |
| 08:40.48 | djszapi | what do you mean ? |
| 08:40.53 | ruskie | djszapi, also try this: tripple press the power button |
| 08:41.01 | ruskie | does the time gets spoken? |
| 08:41.12 | xkr47 | sq-one, welcome to n900 :) |
| 08:41.25 | ruskie | there's an app that does the time speaking stuff |
| 08:41.49 | djszapi | ruskie: you mean 'triple' ? |
| 08:41.53 | ruskie | ups |
| 08:41.54 | ruskie | yeah |
| 08:42.09 | ruskie | still sleep deprived(like the rest of the week this week :( ) |
| 08:42.57 | djszapi | *nods* happens, I am gonna try it later out and come ba ck. |
| 08:42.59 | djszapi | * back |
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| 08:47.37 | ArkN900 | hehe, a guy from linuxcenter talked about interaction with chinese oems, i asked him if they are going to make any phones |
| 08:47.41 | ArkN900 | the short answer is no, the long is they want to give nokia priority for some political reason apparently and do not want to compete |
| 08:47.59 | ArkN900 | that sucks |
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| 08:55.45 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:01.08 | djszapi | ruskie: yeah, if I press the power button three times, I hear that voice, yep. |
| 09:01.17 | djszapi | how to eliminate that ? |
| 09:01.22 | ruskie | djszapi, remove espeak time iirc |
| 09:01.32 | djszapi | lol |
| 09:01.46 | djszapi | you are saying I must remove a package because I cannot configure its feature ? |
| 09:02.13 | ruskie | go to settings and see what you can change |
| 09:02.20 | ruskie | but this is NOT a standard application |
| 09:02.29 | ruskie | it's something you installed yourself |
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| 09:02.48 | djszapi | yes, but I stick by my opinion. |
| 09:02.58 | djszapi | apt-get remove is a hammer solution |
| 09:03.00 | ruskie | go to settings and configure it |
| 09:03.04 | ruskie | it has some settings |
| 09:03.08 | ruskie | what they are I don't recall |
| 09:03.49 | ruskie | iir it's called eSpeakTime |
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| 09:58.26 | Khertan | Morning |
| 09:58.38 | RST38h | moorning Khertan |
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| 10:35.09 | RST38h | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/481890.html |
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| 11:13.45 | lardman | thanks RST38h |
| 11:13.50 | lardman | what was Buteo then? |
| 11:14.16 | lardman | Buzzard afaict ;) |
| 11:15.33 | lardman | lol @ last sentence about serious performance problems from Tracker |
| 11:16.51 | RST38h | lardman: Who knows? |
| 11:17.09 | lardman | RST38h: that seems to be precisely the problem :) |
| 11:17.24 | RST38h | lardman: there is a bigger problem in this thread |
| 11:17.33 | RST38h | lardman: tentatively known as Moblin |
| 11:17.47 | lardman | as in Meego is reverting to Moblin? |
| 11:17.54 | lardman | has not finished reading the email thread yet |
| 11:18.17 | RST38h | lardman: yes |
| 11:18.45 | RST38h | <food> |
| 11:19.15 | lardman | enjoy! :) |
| 11:19.25 | SpeedEvil | Moblin is at least a less silly name. |
| 11:19.45 | SpeedEvil | I would argue that you should stick to a brand to build mindshare. |
| 11:19.47 | SpeedEvil | But... |
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| 11:25.27 | dangergrrl | pyradio hates me tonight |
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| 11:44.42 | andre__ | ~javispedro |
| 11:47.56 | lardman | wow, that thread just runs and runs |
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| 11:56.59 | niala1 | hello # |
| 11:57.13 | niala1 | question: fremantle supposed to work from meego madde ? |
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| 12:04.37 | naemo | people, which is the best way to buy n900 in Germany? |
| 12:05.07 | naemo | I've bought one in US from amazon.com, now it costs there $350 |
| 12:05.35 | niala1 | naemo: in germany i don't know but i have a second hand for 200⬠in france |
| 12:05.53 | naemo | however, amazon.de wants 350euro for n900 which is ~$500 which is expensive. |
| 12:06.33 | ruskie | that's expensive??? |
| 12:06.46 | ruskie | I payed for mine 620eur new when I bought it |
| 12:07.01 | niala1 | ruskie: yes but new ? |
| 12:07.14 | range | ruskie: Yeah, but that was way back when it was shiny, new and supported and had a great future in front of it :) |
| 12:07.18 | naemo | niala1: I would like to get a new one |
| 12:07.32 | ruskie | niala1, yeah... new from the local nokia distributor |
| 12:07.36 | dangergrrl | then buy the one in the us and pay VAT when you import it? |
| 12:07.36 | ruskie | it was supported??? |
| 12:07.38 | ruskie | really??? |
| 12:07.50 | range | Well, I got three SSU updates :) |
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| 12:08.32 | ruskie | dangergrrl, don't forget import duty ;) |
| 12:08.33 | naemo | ruskie: I bought my in US for $400 in autumn. |
| 12:09.10 | naemo | mine |
| 12:09.31 | dangergrrl | i dunno |
| 12:09.37 | naemo | Now I need yet another one, but in Germany :) |
| 12:09.55 | FIQ|n900 | Hmm |
| 12:10.06 | dangergrrl | only thing i've ever ordered internationally has been smart drugs shipped to the us from .nl or .uk |
| 12:10.29 | FIQ|n900 | When I forward X applications and attemt to type in them, typing is done in the console window, not the application |
| 12:10.31 | FIQ|n900 | why? |
| 12:10.43 | FIQ|n900 | attempt* |
| 12:11.05 | FIQ|n900 | in SSH, that is |
| 12:11.14 | FIQ|n900 | N900 is the client |
| 12:11.40 | naemo | wait |
| 12:11.47 | naemo | you connect from maemo to other linux |
| 12:11.51 | ruskie | dangergrrl, hehe... I wouldn't call that internationally since it's all the EU... |
| 12:11.54 | naemo | with ssh -X |
| 12:12.13 | naemo | then get the application on your n900 screen |
| 12:12.20 | naemo | then type? |
| 12:12.37 | dangergrrl | ruskie: no, shipped into the usa from the eu |
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| 12:12.42 | naemo | so, in Europe price numbers are the same, but in euros? |
| 12:12.42 | ruskie | dangergrrl, ahh |
| 12:12.53 | ruskie | naemo, yes... due to import duty and VAT |
| 12:13.04 | ruskie | naemo, iirc most US online retailers show prices tax free |
| 12:13.04 | dangergrrl | this was back in the 1990s, i used to order hydergine, piracetam, and lucidril |
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| 12:13.31 | ruskie | since they have per state and city taxes iirc... |
| 12:13.54 | dangergrrl | much of the time you do not pay sales tax online in the states |
| 12:14.00 | dangergrrl | though it is complex |
| 12:14.20 | ruskie | well I would assume you would need to declare it on the income tax form but don't possibly? |
| 12:14.23 | dangergrrl | if the company has a signifigant presence in the state you live in you are supposed to pay |
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| 12:14.38 | ruskie | I thought those already need to automatically add it to the price |
| 12:14.49 | FIQ|n900 | <naemo> then type? |
| 12:14.50 | FIQ|n900 | yes |
| 12:14.50 | dangergrrl | only if they have tyo |
| 12:15.07 | FIQ|n900 | also, everything else you said apply |
| 12:15.15 | dangergrrl | amazon.com should be collecting tax on orders shipped to texas because they have a furfillment center here |
| 12:15.19 | dangergrrl | but they do not |
| 12:15.22 | ruskie | hehe |
| 12:15.23 | dangergrrl | i paid no tax on my n900 |
| 12:15.43 | toggles_ | http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/N900-to-Get-MeeGo-1-2-Update-in-28-April-Officially-Confirmed-by-Nokia |
| 12:15.56 | dangergrrl | $349 with free super saver shipping |
| 12:15.56 | FIQ|n900 | note that it's through wine, other _linux_ programs works :P |
| 12:16.26 | niala1 | I ask again, maybe more luck. You know if fremantle/maemo is supposed to work from meego madde ? |
| 12:20.37 | naemo | niala1: what do you mean by "from meego"? |
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| 12:24.06 | naemo | niala1: ah, don't know |
| 12:24.37 | naemo | niala1: I know there's a project maemo-qemu and it is possible to run maemo on qemu now |
| 12:25.23 | niala1 | i mean on meego netbook. |
| 12:25.29 | niala1 | mad-admin create -f fremantle-pr13 |
| 12:25.30 | niala1 | Can not find '/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim.tar.gz' -- no such file. |
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| 12:26.10 | niala1 | but he appear in 'mad-admin list' command |
| 12:26.37 | ruskie | apparently you need to install something else or just add that file? |
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| 12:27.47 | niala1 | add that file i think. |
| 12:28.06 | niala1 | and maybe other after this |
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| 12:34.41 | naemo | niala1: sorry, didn't run madde at all |
| 12:35.19 | naemo | I compile righ on device always |
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| 12:41.52 | dangergrrl | ok, pyradio is just somehow broken for me today, pandora works fine in the browser |
| 12:42.02 | niala1 | naemo: on n900 ? 10x more time? |
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| 12:43.21 | RST38h | British Scientists strike again: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/11/balanced_journalism/ |
| 12:43.56 | RST38h | Wait, no, Ohio Scientists this time |
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| 12:56.56 | ArkN900 | shit. is there some cryptic browser gesture that causes spontaneous page reload? I see it happening quite frequently. |
| 12:58.08 | RST38h | Ark: Probably just deciding to reflow the page after loading some part of it |
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| 12:58.27 | RST38h | Happens when the page has showed up but has not yet loaded fully |
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| 12:59.57 | ArkN900 | damn sucks |
| 13:00.13 | ArkN900 | it resets all form contents and page position |
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| 13:35.21 | luke-jr | how do you turn N900 back on if you hold down the power button? |
| 13:35.32 | luke-jr | besides waiting 60 seconds? |
| 13:35.40 | Lava_Croft | it doesnt take 60 seconds? |
| 13:35.51 | Lava_Croft | usually i have to wait like 10-15 seconds and then it will reboot again |
| 13:36.01 | Lava_Croft | i guess you could hack the power button behaviour somehowq |
| 13:36.18 | SpeedEvil | 'off' is not off |
| 13:36.28 | SpeedEvil | 'off' is shutting down, like any other linux box |
| 13:36.33 | Lava_Croft | aye |
| 13:36.43 | Lava_Croft | thats still off |
| 13:36.43 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could restart faster by popping the batery |
| 13:36.46 | SpeedEvil | this is a bad idea |
| 13:36.47 | Lava_Croft | shutting down is going off |
| 13:36.51 | Lava_Croft | but this is semantics>_> |
| 13:37.13 | Lava_Croft | 60s seems like an awful long time |
| 13:38.17 | SpeedEvil | For me, it's ~25s from 'switch off' to 'LED will glow and it will boot if you press button'. |
| 13:38.26 | SpeedEvil | Then another 30s or so till Mr Hands. |
| 13:38.58 | Lava_Croft | aye |
| 13:39.05 | Lava_Croft | that sounds right |
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| 14:07.28 | totalizator | hi, if I'm building some package for Maemo then what goes to the "Maintainer" field? is it my name or the author of an app? |
| 14:07.37 | RST38h | you go there |
| 14:07.41 | merlin1991 | Your name |
| 14:07.46 | RST38h | not the author, maintainer of the package |
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| 14:07.53 | totalizator | ok, thanks guys |
| 14:08.31 | divan | Does anyone know who is the author of this patched preenv version - http://wiki.maemo.org/Preenv/FAQ#Is_there_a_way_to_get_multitouch_working_in_Preenv ? |
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| 14:21.41 | SpeedEvil | divan: Check wikistory |
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| 14:24.29 | divan | SpeedEvil, the author of the wiki edit maybe other person. BTW, where do I find the wikistory link for this page? |
| 14:24.52 | divan | Ah, found. |
| 14:24.56 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 14:25.14 | SpeedEvil | also - search TMO |
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| 14:28.36 | divan | Already did. |
| 14:29.15 | divan | I wonder why it's not included into preenv source tree. Why someone distribute patched libsdlpre.so in binary form? |
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| 14:41.51 | LjL | any clue why, when trying to put my N810 to soft poweroff (after enabling it, of course), the screen goes off and then on again, and then stays on (until it times out at least) - but is unresponsive until i press the power button again? |
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| 14:55.42 | LjL | also, what difference does it make to set the wifi to stay on or off during soft-poweroff? i mean, it doesn't seem to respond to SIP calls anyway even if it's left on |
| 14:59.32 | sid | how does uboot starts? - hex - |
| 14:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | soft-off, as the name suggests, is stopping a lot of processes, for sure SIP. Anyway when you're messing with this configfile you might have noticed the "update while softoff" (OWTTE) setting, for which it helps a lot to be online |
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| 15:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | sid: please rephrase |
| 15:03.15 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: no i haven't noticed that one... i edited /etc/systemui/systemui.xml and /etc/mce/mce.ini so far. does that mean the phone will update packages automatically while in soft-off mode? |
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| 15:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | N810 isn't a phone, so I gather you ask if there's a difference regarding that between N810 and N900 - I dunno, I never tested that, just seen it in fremantle/N900 mce.ini IIRC |
| 15:05.38 | LjL | ah no actually i don't know anything at all about the N900, i'm only really concerned about the N810 |
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| 15:06.02 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: but anyway - is what you're saying that, on the N900, one reason you may want to keep wifi *on* even in softoff mode is this OWTTE setting? |
| 15:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~owtte |
| 15:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf owtte |
| 15:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~useless |
| 15:06.48 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 15:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | or words to the effect |
| 15:07.10 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: i googled it on site:maemo.org but didn't find very much :( |
| 15:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~OWTTE is or words to the effect |
| 15:07.11 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
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| 15:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: anyway yes, that's my take on those settings as seen on N900 mce.ini |
| 15:07.52 | sid | is uboot offset from 6c 87 00 or 62 6f 74 61 from kernel - like 1f 8b 08 for gzip |
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| 15:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 15:08.40 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: so if i might ask for an uneducated opinion, given that the N810 doesn't *seem* to have this (i'll look better), and SIP (and email, and i guess IM, but i haven't tried IM) all go down during softoff, then there's no point leaving wifi on? |
| 15:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not, maybe except sshd |
| 15:10.04 | LjL | one annoying thing, though, is that if i set wifi to go off, then i have to bring it out of offline mode manually... even though i thought i set mce.ini so it should come out of it automatically :\ |
| 15:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's strange, but what is softpff worth for anyway when no conection path to the device left operational |
| 15:12.29 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: well, it's faster to go back from than full poweroff |
| 15:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | sid: you probably better ask in #meego-arm, I think the uboot maintainer is over there |
| 15:13.00 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: and also, i've heard that rebooting (or poweroff+on) results in quite a lot of battery drain (and my battery indicator seems to confirm that) |
| 15:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | however softoff is no way like a real off, more like a normal screenlock, regarding power consumption |
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| 15:14.30 | GAN900 | Random interested aside: What's that usual desk dictionary in the UK? |
| 15:14.33 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: hm, i see... well, it still could be nice as an easy-to-trigger "night mode", if wifi is off |
| 15:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | that's probably why it's been "banned" from normal UX |
| 15:15.15 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: i think it also shouldn't run the risk of some rogue program that's been left on eating the battery |
| 15:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: eeh? Hornby? |
| 15:15.34 | GAN900 | Hornby? Never heard of 'em. |
| 15:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | Y.X.Hornby "complete dictionary of modern oxford english" or sth like that |
| 15:17.09 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: sounds reasonable to make a usecase out of that |
| 15:17.20 | LjL | i'm still mystified by whatever software configuration i had when i was sold this device |
| 15:17.26 | GAN900 | Webster's is the usual here by a large margin. Followed by American Heritage, Oxford, etc. |
| 15:17.37 | LjL | the seller claimed he had reflashed it with the same official image i've flashed it with, but... it behaved differently |
| 15:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | miriam webster's - oh yeah |
| 15:18.00 | LjL | it had soft-off already available, and the LED didn't blink when it was triggered (or when the screen was off, for that matter), and other little things i don't remember |
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| 15:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: this all sounds like he reflashed the rootfs but restored several user settings |
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| 15:19.53 | LjL | when you restore user settings, does that include even things like /etc/systemui/systemui.xml? |
| 15:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | usually not I'd say |
| 15:20.16 | LjL | oh, one thing it did that i don't even know how to reproduce is that it showed a confirmation dialog before shutting down |
| 15:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | weird |
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| 15:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | you shaould ask the diablo hackers about it - I'm a mere user of stock diablo. No idea what hacks were common |
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| 15:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | I guess ShadowJK, javispedro, dunno who else would know a lot more about it |
| 15:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: diablo? |
| 15:23.05 | GAN900 | Whatever I can remember. |
| 15:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-11 16:17:37] <LjL> the seller claimed he had reflashed it with the same official image i've flashed it with, but... it behaved differently |
| 15:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | ff |
| 15:23.44 | GAN900 | LjL, no, stuff like that is not included. |
| 15:24.27 | GAN900 | systemui.xml and mce.ini are the two files responsible for those behaviors. |
| 15:24.34 | LjL | that's why it's a damn mystery to me :P |
| 15:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: maybe the prev owner had some hacker's edition or sth? |
| 15:24.52 | GAN900 | Should still be documented on the wiki. |
| 15:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | and confused the images? |
| 15:25.12 | GAN900 | Hmm, well, I don't know of any image with that stuff out of the box. |
| 15:25.20 | LjL | he gave me a windows exe he said was the one he used to flash |
| 15:25.30 | LjL | i flashed using it, to test, but got nothing like that |
| 15:25.32 | GAN900 | Maybe he included some friendly hacks? |
| 15:25.36 | LjL | just a standard latest-diablo install |
| 15:25.45 | LjL | GAN900: i asked specifically, but he said no |
| 15:26.01 | LjL | unless it was some program i installed without realizing, but i can't imagine which |
| 15:26.12 | LjL | i was thinking advanced power manager for a while |
| 15:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | I guess he didn't flash, and wasn't like admitting it |
| 15:26.28 | LjL | maybe |
| 15:26.40 | LjL | it's not like i was trying to blame him for not flashing though, i was just curious =) |
| 15:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | see, he sold the device - means he stopped using it on a regular basis some months ago. Maybe he forgot what a real flashing involves |
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| 15:28.45 | LjL | oh well |
| 15:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | quite easily he might have "flashed" the MyDocs data only - though I gather that's not even supported on diablo |
| 15:29.09 | LjL | i'm grateful to him for selling a device in such perfect physical conditions, and with *three* batteries included, anyway =) |
| 15:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 15:32.48 | GAN900 | No |
| 15:33.00 | GAN900 | Only flash NAND |
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| 15:35.39 | fiedel | Hello i discover a strange problem with acces to /var/tmp with microb firefox gpoddder and progrfam manger |
| 15:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: whatever it's been, a nice diskimage might have saved it for later forensics |
| 15:35.48 | fiedel | anbody ayny hintgs |
| 15:35.52 | MohammadAG | object_class->dispose <-- is this called when the object is destroyed? |
| 15:35.59 | MohammadAG | in this case, the status menu |
| 15:36.17 | MohammadAG | strange problem? |
| 15:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
| 15:36.31 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 15:37.02 | fiedel | yeds i need to ereboot in order to get them working again |
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| 15:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | disk full? |
| 15:39.28 | fiedel | nonope |
| 15:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | df -h /var/tmp |
| 15:40.00 | GAN900 | Jaffa, how much of a hassle is pushing to the 'pad on Saturdays? |
| 15:43.15 | DocScrutinizer | apropos diskimage (on a system where you can't easily umount the / ;-D ) - if I'd go for "killall -stop *; cp -x / /foo; killall -cont *", what would you suggest to do to inprove that sketched scheme? exempt bme (and of course own process;-P) from the SIGSTOP? sync? Anything else? |
| 15:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | (yes I know ther are most likely way better approaches, like doing that e.g. in softoff, or in bootmenu, or whatever. Just a bit of brainjogging) |
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| 15:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | I'm afraid there's a lot of processes I wouldn't want to stop, not to freeze the copy task. Like e.g. X, maybe xterm, own shell, ... |
| 15:48.06 | dangergrrl | who is here against their will? |
| 15:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | MEEEE |
| 15:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
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| 15:51.30 | GAN900 | Ever seen A Clockword Orange? |
| 15:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | meh, screw X, even own xterm, as long as you don't want progress indicators :-) |
| 15:52.27 | fiedel | 71% of rootfs free |
| 15:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: your provider has a new eyecatcher at his shop? |
| 15:52.54 | Jaffa | GAN900: Not much of a hassle, as long as I do it. |
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| 15:53.28 | GAN900 | Jaffa, made things a lot easier for me last time. |
| 15:54.48 | fiedel | ok i'm coming back later from home have to leave bye |
| 15:54.58 | Pranav_rcmas | Hey people. I wish to apply for Maemo in the upcoming GSoC. I would like to know what level of experience is required, and what are the concepts I should get myself upto speed with, before trying to apply. |
| 15:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | envisions Orange has a n analog clock at their shops, where the hands are "Orange" for the large hand and maybe "t-mo" for the hours hand |
| 15:56.11 | DocScrutinizer | runs to (R) this |
| 15:57.23 | Jaffa | GAN900: Will do tomorrow. |
| 15:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | oops s/large/big/ |
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| 15:59.59 | Cor-Ai | if i would like to start an widget via xterm, what should i do? :) |
| 16:00.01 | GAN900 | Jaffa, thanks. |
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| 16:00.23 | GAN900 | Are we participating in GSoC this year? |
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| 16:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | Cor-Ai: oufff. AIUI widgets are started as child processes (*.so) of hildon-desktop. No way to start such a thing like a normal process I guess |
| 16:02.38 | Cor-Ai | DocScrutinizer: hmm.. I was afraid that would be the answer :/ well well, ty any way! :D |
| 16:03.08 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, child processes? |
| 16:03.13 | lcuk | a .so is inprocess |
| 16:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | Cor-Ai: the method would mean to add the widget to wherever the list of hildon desktop widgets got stored, the kill hildon-desktop which amazingly enough will restart it without much impact on running apps |
| 16:03.22 | lcuk | runtime linkning |
| 16:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yesyes |
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| 16:05.19 | Cor-Ai | DocScrutinizer: ahh, well will have to live with hildon freezing 1-2 times a day (iknow that i can restart hildon but the widgets dosen't always load!) |
| 16:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | that's exactly because of this rether kinky method to start widgets |
| 16:06.07 | ccooke | lcuk: Of course, a .so could be written that talks to another process via some defined interface, allowing userspace widgets... :-) |
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| 16:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | if one widget doesn't behave, it kills all those coming after it |
| 16:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | rather* |
| 16:07.08 | ccooke | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's the downside. |
| 16:07.22 | Cor-Ai | thats just.. bad programing imo :p or lazy! :p |
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| 16:07.35 | lcuk | ccooke, yes of course it could |
| 16:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | poor design anyway |
| 16:07.43 | lcuk | usual mecehanisms are dbus etc |
| 16:07.43 | ccooke | Cor-Ai: memory efficient and processor efficient on an embedded system |
| 16:07.52 | lcuk | mechanisms too |
| 16:07.58 | ccooke | It's a standard practie of embedded design. |
| 16:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | ccooke: well, ok |
| 16:08.01 | Cor-Ai | ccooke: true.. but still enoing! :p |
| 16:08.17 | ccooke | The problem is, the systems it's used on aren't really in the embedded class any more |
| 16:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | ccooke: fork and monitor |
| 16:08.47 | ccooke | DocScrutinizer: Overhead :-) |
| 16:08.53 | Cor-Ai | well thanks for the answer, :) |
| 16:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | marginal |
| 16:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | Cor-Ai: yw |
| 16:09.15 | ccooke | DocScrutinizer: that's the problem being solved, anyway. the point is that it's not a big problem on modern designs |
| 16:09.28 | lcuk | Cor-Ai, test your system by removing half of your widgets for a couple of days |
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| 16:09.38 | lcuk | if crashing stops, problem in that half you removed |
| 16:09.48 | lcuk | inverse also likely true too |
| 16:09.51 | lcuk | :) |
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| 16:09.57 | lcuk | then narrow it down further |
| 16:10.08 | Cor-Ai | lcuk: hehe im doing it :) |
| 16:10.13 | lcuk | good |
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| 16:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | binary triage |
| 16:11.13 | SpeedEvil | biage |
| 16:11.39 | Venemo_N900 | hi |
| 16:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | I gather if you got to know the exact sequence of widget startup, you can tell which one failed as it's the "first" that doesn't show up on desktop. That's not helpful for crashes after loading all of them though |
| 16:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually, yes :-) |
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| 16:13.19 | DocScrutinizer | or "how to chop down a b-tree" |
| 16:14.16 | ccooke | DocScrutinizer: no, no. you water the b-tree |
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| 16:46.25 | dangergrrl | george washington of the 21st century |
| 16:46.45 | dangergrrl | i cannot tell a lie it was i who chopped down the b-tree |
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| 17:02.16 | deno | hi guys |
| 17:02.26 | deno | speaking about usb-host mode |
| 17:03.00 | deno | the modifies have you done, are just modifies that are present in the new kernel? |
| 17:03.19 | deno | for example, with a patch |
| 17:03.23 | alterego | Nice improvement in the last acceptance. |
| 17:03.41 | deno | alterego, for me? |
| 17:04.03 | alterego | No, for the N900 :P |
| 17:04.07 | MohammadAG | deno, no, they're custom written |
| 17:04.16 | alterego | Oh wait, wrong channel. |
| 17:04.25 | MohammadAG | i.e written from scratch |
| 17:04.35 | MohammadAG | points and laughs at alterego |
| 17:05.05 | deno | uhm |
| 17:05.20 | deno | MohammadAG, cool |
| 17:05.31 | deno | but wait, does the new kernel support it? |
| 17:05.48 | MohammadAG | no idea |
| 17:05.56 | MohammadAG | you're free to experiment |
| 17:06.02 | deno | the OTG should be present in the normal kernel or I mean, |
| 17:06.09 | deno | without the Nokia patches |
| 17:07.35 | MohammadAG | umm, what? |
| 17:07.42 | MohammadAG | OTG is present in all kernels with musb_core |
| 17:07.54 | MohammadAG | but the N900 lacks OTG support on the hardware level |
| 17:08.08 | deno | uhm |
| 17:08.24 | deno | think mode |
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| 17:09.12 | deno | what do you mean at HW level? |
| 17:09.24 | pupnik | game controller for Nokia N8 http://twitpic.com/3bewqb |
| 17:10.18 | MohammadAG | deno, I mean the N900 doesn't and won't support OTG on the HW level, it lacks the pin required to do auto switching and the port isn't compaitible |
| 17:11.28 | deno | MohammadAG, are you speaking about the usb controller, that the HW is different from other usb controller |
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| 17:11.51 | MohammadAG | no, I'm taking about the hardware, the USB port |
| 17:12.50 | deno | ok |
| 17:13.25 | deno | I don't know if you rimember me, we spoken also other times |
| 17:13.58 | deno | i'm trying to get high bandwidth isochronous transfers working on N900 |
| 17:14.11 | MohammadAG | I remember :p |
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| 17:14.49 | deno | :D |
| 17:15.00 | deno | now I succeed to get packets |
| 17:15.16 | deno | the first packets of every frame are ok |
| 17:15.31 | deno | I can see something but after it's all wrong :P |
| 17:15.46 | deno | so I think there are still problems in the kernel |
| 17:16.01 | deno | even if I added all the highbandwidth support |
| 17:16.36 | deno | I saw that there is a new patch that should increase the performance |
| 17:17.05 | deno | but it's for a very very recent kernel so it's a mess to apply it manually because there are too many dependencies |
| 17:17.10 | SpeedEvil | TI have an omap forum on their site. |
| 17:17.16 | SpeedEvil | Maybe worth an ask? |
| 17:17.20 | deno | TI? |
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| 17:17.52 | deno | I spoke with one guy and they said me to apply this patch |
| 17:18.07 | deno | I was thinking to use a new kernel but you said me before that it's a mess because of the Nokia patches |
| 17:19.01 | deno | I was told that maybe I could use the new kernel and after use the omap2plus_defconfig |
| 17:19.25 | deno | there's specific support for nokia n810 |
| 17:20.04 | deno | do you kwow if someone have tried a new kernel with the n900 (using Maemo, not meego) |
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| 17:20.47 | deno | because my idea was to use a new kernel and after maybe apply your OTG support |
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| 17:37.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | we don't have OTG support. We support generic hostmode though (sorry for getting anal here) |
| 17:37.40 | deno | yep |
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| 17:37.52 | deno | k |
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| 17:49.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | deno: IIRC I told you about the comments in musb_core source stating there are missing bits for bandwidth mgmt et al, origining to mentorgraphix or TI. I also metioned the upstream patches and we can't use them with a new kernel as maemo closed blobs lock us down to .28 /sys and others |
| 17:49.38 | deno | uhm |
| 17:50.30 | deno | DocScrutinizer, yes there were high bandwidth problems but with some patches they should be ok |
| 17:50.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | so only feasible way is to backport the upstream patches, which will be much appreciated if someone does it and I'm willing to include that to h-e-n and propagate to PK |
| 17:50.56 | deno | uhm |
| 17:51.07 | deno | yes I made a backport |
| 17:51.12 | deno | for some patches |
| 17:51.33 | deno | but it is still not working properly |
| 17:52.00 | deno | if I succeed I will share all with the community for sure :) |
| 17:53.17 | deno | DocScrutinizer, do you think it's really impossible to make the n900 boot with an update kernel |
| 17:53.28 | deno | I don't mind about the other functionalities |
| 17:53.51 | deno | I care (in this case) just about the usb so |
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| 17:54.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | some subsystems will fail. No idea which ones |
| 17:54.41 | deno | uhm ok |
| 17:54.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | e.g. bme, mce, dsme... |
| 17:55.09 | deno | also related to usb? |
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| 17:55.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | unclear |
| 17:56.36 | deno | k |
| 17:56.42 | deno | the best thing is to try it :P |
| 17:56.48 | deno | I ll let you know |
| 17:57.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | if the system bootloops then probably usb hostmode is useless anyway :-) |
| 17:57.38 | deno | ah |
| 17:57.44 | deno | right, one thing |
| 17:57.49 | deno | meego uses new kernels |
| 17:57.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I'm very interested in real world results |
| 17:58.05 | deno | shouldn't it be possible to use h-e-n patches (modified) for it ? |
| 17:58.07 | lolcat | I hate that stupid shop! |
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| 17:58.17 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 17:58.29 | javispedro | afternoon, gentlemen. |
| 17:58.30 | lolcat | I got an offer for N900 for 2500NOK I think if I put my charm on I could get it for 2000, good deal? |
| 17:58.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | deno: basivally h-e-n patches should work on meego as well |
| 17:58.36 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 17:58.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi javispedro |
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| 17:59.12 | deno | DocScrutinizer, I think they need some modifies because the kernel version is different |
| 18:00.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, see what's going to happen when you apply the hen patches |
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| 18:00.23 | deno | yup |
| 18:00.32 | deno | thx for the talk :) |
| 18:00.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | tw |
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| 18:01.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | if there are problems on applying hen patches to meego kernel, let me know |
| 18:01.32 | Wizzup | Any known issues when using CSSU+Power kernel with Fcam? I can't get fcam to work, from testing repos |
| 18:01.39 | Wizzup | When I reboot I just don't have any /dev/video* devices at all |
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| 18:02.01 | deno | DocScrutinizer, ok :) |
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| 18:14.21 | Wizzup | got the packages from devel, seems to work now |
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| 18:18.34 | ZogG | i wonder how many Israeli guys here? |
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| 18:18.54 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, and you don't even bother to count =\ |
| 18:20.00 | MohammadAG | GuySoft, you, me, think that's it |
| 18:20.17 | MohammadAG | (re: <ZogG> i wonder how many Israeli guys here?) |
| 18:20.31 | MohammadAG | though I'm technically not an Israeli, oh well |
| 18:20.55 | ZogG | MohammadAG i think i talked with 1 or 2 guys |
| 18:21.07 | ZogG | MohammadAG, what GPS app do you use? |
| 18:21.21 | MohammadAG | iOS one |
| 18:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* |
| 18:22.00 | MohammadAG | Google has the API for Israel maps blocked, why should I bother |
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| 18:22.26 | MohammadAG | only google.com (not the mobile one fyi) and iOS can show our maps |
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| 18:23.20 | ZogG | MohammadAG, yeah i was wondering why some nice google maps apps for maemos using gogole are just white for me =) |
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| 18:23.48 | MohammadAG | heh, zoom out, you'll see some lines |
| 18:23.51 | ZogG | MohammadAG, is Waze israeli startup? and is it based on freeroad? |
| 18:23.58 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
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| 18:26.48 | ZogG | MohammadAG, it's not about zoom out asin browser it works, at hybrid maps it works but layers map it doesn't or how you call them |
| 18:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | what's that thing about all the google shit? I even feel unhappy about google search, and our *government* ponders to forbid google or whatever, to break their defacto monopoly. The rest of the world starts whining if they can't use gmail, gtalk, gmaps, gcraprandom. I just can repeat: I hate g*, this applies for gnome as well as google |
| 18:27.07 | MohammadAG | yeah I know |
| 18:27.27 | MohammadAG | but you can see some lines, for whatever reason they're there |
| 18:27.42 | ZogG | MohammadAG check out GeePS it's white |
| 18:27.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, google doesn't show israeli maps on API |
| 18:27.49 | MohammadAG | yes ^ |
| 18:27.50 | jacekowski | anybody from belgium? |
| 18:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | fine! |
| 18:27.56 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer political things |
| 18:28.13 | ZogG | they don't want MohammadAG to blow up strategic things |
| 18:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | so one reason more to not use google-crap and look for better alternatives that don't eat your soul |
| 18:28.41 | MohammadAG | there is no other crap :) |
| 18:28.45 | RST38h | ZogG: Is he going to do it via Google? |
| 18:28.59 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, last time google tryed to take maps with SAT of Dimona they army just made it see huge black spot =) |
| 18:29.00 | MohammadAG | http://tomch.com/maemaps.html browse to Israel if you want to see what I mean |
| 18:29.09 | RST38h | ZogG: Is there a magical HTTPrequest I can send to google servers to blow things??? =) |
| 18:29.15 | RST38h | Can I have it? Can I? CAN I? |
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| 18:29.52 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, nope cause of security situation there are only 4 maps of israel |
| 18:30.01 | ZogG | waze and openmap is community |
| 18:30.04 | MohammadAG | yes, send anything sour |
| 18:30.07 | ZogG | goole maps |
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| 18:30.33 | ZogG | and one that got goverment permission but and sells them to companies like iGo and so on |
| 18:30.58 | ZogG | Waze is pretty aweome |
| 18:31.02 | ZogG | awesome though |
| 18:31.11 | lcuk | 4 maps only! |
| 18:31.16 | lcuk | do people just crowd around them? |
| 18:31.17 | ZogG | RST38h, i don't get it why you don't use it in Russia |
| 18:31.32 | ZogG | lcuk i mean digital ones |
| 18:31.33 | RST38h | checks .IL map on maps.google.com: looks ok, but pretty gray and sad |
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| 18:31.46 | RST38h | Why do you need a map anyway? It appears to be mostly sand! |
| 18:31.49 | MohammadAG | maps.google.com work |
| 18:31.55 | MohammadAG | works* |
| 18:31.56 | lcuk | ZogG, you do know you can make more digital copies |
| 18:32.05 | lcuk | so there can be many more than just 4 |
| 18:32.12 | ZogG | lcuk ? |
| 18:32.43 | ZogG | RST38h the the holy sites where Jesus was killed and suffer =) |
| 18:32.50 | MohammadAG | starts pondering what to study |
| 18:33.06 | MohammadAG | and more importantly; where |
| 18:33.10 | ZogG | no offense for religious people, just joking (didn't think 1st if there are any here) |
| 18:33.14 | RST38h | ZogG: Ok, but why repeat his career path? =) |
| 18:33.26 | RST38h | Mohammad: CS. |
| 18:33.52 | ZogG | MohammadAG, anyway i was lurking in waze code, i think it's pretty much portable to maemo, even found something mention Qt and GTK there |
| 18:34.06 | MohammadAG | RST38h, was thinking CS and EE, wondering if the jobs offers for those are good though |
| 18:34.17 | RST38h | Mohammad: they are |
| 18:34.26 | MohammadAG | EE part would be to go head on with DocScrutinizer to see whose N900 explodes faster |
| 18:34.38 | ZogG | most libs are linux ones and it's same opengl for android as for maemo |
| 18:34.41 | RST38h | Mohammad: would go with CS though, with EE as a possible minor (if applicableand if you can stay thecourse load) |
| 18:34.55 | ZogG | MohammadAG EE? |
| 18:35.01 | ZogG | MohammadAG, go to Tehnion |
| 18:35.02 | MohammadAG | Electrical Engineering |
| 18:35.08 | MohammadAG | Technion? |
| 18:35.15 | ZogG | or go to Afeka in Tel-Aviv |
| 18:35.16 | RST38h | EE is a really useful thing to know, but CS gets more use nowadays |
| 18:35.25 | MohammadAG | Isn't the hebrew uni good? |
| 18:35.40 | ZogG | MohammadAG, my friend just finished in Afeka EE and he is working for Intel now =) |
| 18:36.10 | MohammadAG | though I probably need Psechometry or whatever it's called right ZogG? |
| 18:36.18 | ZogG | MohammadAG hebrew is the best for programming as far as i know, but anyway you finish Technion you get any job you desire(if you finish well) |
| 18:36.28 | ZogG | MohammadAG, yes you do |
| 18:37.05 | MohammadAG | ZogG, for some reason, I don't plan on working here :P |
| 18:37.05 | ZogG | MohammadAG, but you said you don't know any hebrew |
| 18:37.20 | ZogG | MohammadAG, haha, true |
| 18:37.23 | MohammadAG | that can change |
| 18:37.45 | ZogG | but you can start here with international company and easily move on |
| 18:38.00 | RST38h | If you do not intend to work in .IL, why study in .IL? |
| 18:38.13 | RST38h | You can go to Europe or US |
| 18:38.36 | MohammadAG | US -> I'd need to pass the SAT |
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| 18:39.08 | ZogG | MohammadAG, US? meh, europe ftw |
| 18:39.16 | RST38h | Mohammad: And you are afraid of a freking SAT? |
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| 18:39.35 | MohammadAG | RST38h, no, I'm actually considering it more than learning Hebrew and studying in a language I hate |
| 18:39.40 | MohammadAG | no offense ZogG :P |
| 18:39.51 | ZogG | MohammadAG none taken |
| 18:39.57 | RST38h | Mohammad: azohenvei |
| 18:39.58 | MohammadAG | you're russian anyway |
| 18:40.14 | MohammadAG | azohe what? |
| 18:40.19 | RST38h | Mohammad: never mind |
| 18:40.38 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 18:41.07 | RST38h | Mohammad: Andrew Tannenbaum is teaching in .NL BTW |
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| 18:41.41 | RST38h | Mohammad: Not sure if he is teaching a specific class on effective trolling of Linux kernel developers though |
| 18:41.42 | MohammadAG | RST38h, I might know the nick, who's he? |
| 18:41.50 | RST38h | Mohammad: MINIX author |
| 18:41.52 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 18:42.05 | RST38h | Mohammad: The guy who forever changed Linus' life :) |
| 18:42.38 | RST38h | Also authored some pretty damn good books on Computer Systems |
| 18:42.56 | MohammadAG | positively? :P |
| 18:43.02 | javispedro | so, what do you do when some mac head sends you a dvd image... in a .dmg????? |
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| 18:43.33 | RST38h | Mohammad: I am afraid not. |
| 18:44.10 | ZogG | javispedro, if you use linux it's not a problem |
| 18:44.10 | RST38h | Mohammad: But it is the modulus that counts |
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| 18:44.29 | javispedro | ZogG: you can bet I'm using Linux and so far it's been an insourmountable problem. |
| 18:44.52 | javispedro | "file" says something along the lines of "VAX executable" |
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| 18:45.06 | ZogG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.18 | javispedro | it is ISO9660 cdrom |
| 18:45.19 | javispedro | well |
| 18:45.21 | javispedro | or so I think... |
| 18:45.24 | RST38h | Mohammad: There is a bunch of good schools in the US too =) |
| 18:46.04 | RST38h | And as you appear to know English already, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:46.08 | lcuk | javispedro, print out data using 72point font and fedex it back to him |
| 18:46.36 | ZogG | javispedro file myImage.dmg |
| 18:46.43 | javispedro | ZogG: "VAX executable" |
| 18:46.50 | MohammadAG | RST38h, I use google translate :P |
| 18:46.51 | javispedro | lcuk: I am considering going there and killing him. |
| 18:47.11 | javispedro | specially since another transfer will not be possible until past weekend... |
| 18:47.14 | lcuk | that is a bit OTT considering it is only a bit of data |
| 18:47.25 | RST38h | You would like to kill a VAX? |
| 18:47.29 | lcuk | what is on the dvd? |
| 18:47.37 | javispedro | good point |
| 18:47.45 | RST38h | Doesn'tthat count as hunting endangered species? |
| 18:47.46 | javispedro | goes search some recovery tool |
| 18:48.54 | ZogG | javispedro, hmm one of forum suggest to renaim to bz2 and trying to unpack it and than renaim file inside to .hfs and using hfsplus |
| 18:49.19 | javispedro | but I guess it would have some kind of bz2 header then.. |
| 18:49.55 | ruskie | isn't there an undAmAge tool anywhere? |
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| 18:50.21 | ZogG | javispedro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1155734 |
| 18:50.52 | ZogG | javispedro, ouâll need to install a basic tool called dmg2img (http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/). |
| 18:51.01 | ZogG | there is tool to convert as well |
| 18:51.02 | javispedro | okkk |
| 18:51.27 | ZogG | http://www.thelinuxblog.com/open-apple-dmg-files-on-linux/ - check this oner |
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| 18:54.07 | javispedro | ok, dmg2img seems to recognize it, thanks! |
| 18:54.16 | ZogG | javispedro =) |
| 18:54.21 | javispedro | (which makes sense since it should be a dvd image..) |
| 18:55.02 | ZogG | MohammadAG, i would miss you if you leave me here alone with maemo =) |
| 18:55.21 | ZogG | xmms2> Ace Ventura - The Light (Zen Mechanics Remix) ["Re:Boot" 2008] |
| 18:56.42 | javispedro | effective trolling of Linux kernel developers 101 :D |
| 18:57.49 | ZogG | дÑд |
| 18:58.01 | ZogG | lol |
| 18:58.07 | ZogG | i think there is connection between 101 and lol |
| 19:00.03 | ZogG | RST38h, why didn't you go to meego conference btw? |
| 19:02.56 | RST38h | ZogG: Work. + none of the .FI people I know went there |
| 19:03.15 | MohammadAG | ZogG, hah |
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| 19:03.40 | RST38h | ZogG: Or do you mean The Conference? |
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| 19:06.30 | RST38h | Two .JP nuclear power plants are burning. A double feature! |
| 19:06.31 | TiagoTiago | Hi |
| 19:07.55 | lolcat | Japan + nuclear is always a blast :P |
| 19:08.02 | derf | Not to mention the oil refineries, the airports... |
| 19:08.35 | RST38h | Has Godzilla come? |
| 19:09.53 | derf | http://grab.by/9pfJ |
| 19:10.27 | RST38h | derf: ...and Godzilla is NOT happy, judging from his face |
| 19:11.13 | TiagoTiago | Would there be a way to trick the 4 wires touch sensor in the N900 turning arbitrary wires positive and negative (instead of having each always be either positive or negative), and measure the results, allowing the system to see the difference between a single touch and more than one? |
| 19:11.58 | MohammadAG | poor japan, another quake |
| 19:12.09 | derf | RST38h: That was from http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4578856/mozilla-ceo-on-the-latest-version-of-firefox/?playlist_id=87063 I believe. |
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| 19:13.13 | TiagoTiago | If there was, it would allow limited dualtouch emulation, no? |
| 19:13.15 | ZogG | MohammadAG so i saw one guy said he would pay 100 $ for Waze on Maemo 5 and i have friend that actually port things between mobile platforms, so it can be double profit =) |
| 19:13.51 | MohammadAG | I don't do things for profit ZogG :) |
| 19:14.01 | guardian | hi, long time i didn't use my n800; i want to recycle it to a dlna client to play mp3s in my living room through wifi. can you please suggest me which os update + which dnla client to use? |
| 19:14.26 | RST38h | def: how fortunate it is that I do not get to watch Fox... :) |
| 19:14.52 | ZogG | MohammadAG, me either, i wouldn't get money |
| 19:15.12 | RST38h | Mohammad: But look at the bright side: a few quakes like this one, and it will look exactly like in those post-apocaliptic anime flicks |
| 19:15.23 | Corsac | with tentacles? |
| 19:15.25 | ZogG | i would give money for guy who would do it, as he doesn't have maemo and he has no profit on just porting it on his free time =) |
| 19:15.51 | RST38h | ...and if those reactors rupture, there is even a chance of some furry mutant schoolgirls running around! |
| 19:16.07 | lolcat | RST38h: That sounds hawt |
| 19:16.48 | TiagoTiago | mutant tentacles and furry schoolgirls, that's a world worth living in |
| 19:17.13 | ZogG | lol |
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| 19:17.22 | ZogG | suddenly so many peopl talking ah? |
| 19:17.31 | penguinbait | its Firday!! |
| 19:17.40 | penguinbait | I mean Friday! |
| 19:17.46 | javispedro | Fast infrared day! |
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| 19:19.56 | penguinbait | Free infrared day! |
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| 19:24.08 | TiagoTiago | Free mutant japanese schoolgirls! |
| 19:25.31 | ZogG | TiagoTiago are you the one tht trolling at TMO? i think i recognize your nick |
| 19:25.31 | SpeedEvil | With every purchase? |
| 19:25.52 | TiagoTiago | Trolling? |
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| 19:27.00 | RST38h | Ah, so, it *is* melting down! |
| 19:27.02 | kerio | TiagoTiago: not today, japan is having problems |
| 19:27.39 | TiagoTiago | the problems are what are gonna create them :P |
| 19:27.47 | federico2 | "having problems"? |
| 19:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | HAH! http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10099?sort=0 |
| 19:29.26 | TiagoTiago | what's that? |
| 19:30.03 | TiagoTiago | Is that a striped down N900? |
| 19:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | a half N900 |
| 19:30.16 | TiagoTiago | i see |
| 19:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: not yet, but likely |
| 19:30.44 | RST38h | He has killed an N900! And mounted its corpse! |
| 19:31.05 | RST38h | Doc: Raising radiation levels and core pressure |
| 19:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | aren't nuklear power plants a cute thing? |
| 19:32.28 | javispedro | RST38h: url? |
| 19:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | well, japanese are so smart, they survived the only two warship nuclear explosions ever happening, so probably don't care much about a core meltdown |
| 19:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: TV |
| 19:33.05 | RST38h | javispedro: looking for an English version |
| 19:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | CNN et al |
| 19:33.12 | TiagoTiago | Worse case they just lock down the building for around a century like with some US plants or is there really the risk things gonna get messy? |
| 19:33.16 | javispedro | types tv:// |
| 19:33.31 | RST38h | Doc: Rather "Japanese are really creative and hilarious about their nuclear disasters" |
| 19:33.47 | RST38h | (and I do not mean the sad WWII stuff) |
| 19:33.56 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 19:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's been the subtext of my last post |
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| 19:34.35 | ZogG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9t-GXKFA4M - looks neat |
| 19:34.43 | RST38h | javispedro: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear/ |
| 19:35.59 | javispedro | ah, they got warning |
| 19:36.14 | javispedro | worst that happens is that the plant gets ruined, then. |
| 19:37.43 | RST38h | well, worst that happens is that the whole down-wind area around the plant is ruined |
| 19:38.03 | javispedro | that is very pessimist for a modern plant.. |
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| 19:38.23 | RST38h | javispedro: afaik, there are no modern nuclear plants, most were built a while ago |
| 19:38.24 | TiagoTiago | Don't they build those plants to hold the nuke blast inside? |
| 19:38.37 | RST38h | Thiago: sorry, what nuke blast? |
| 19:38.55 | TiagoTiago | the nuclear explosion when the core goes critical |
| 19:39.02 | javispedro | no way. |
| 19:39.07 | RST38h | Tiago:there is no nuclear explosion |
| 19:39.46 | TiagoTiago | I thought that was what happened when they can't control the reaction |
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| 19:39.49 | RST38h | Tiago: just a normal heat explosion, usually from the steam of whatever circulates in the heat exchanger |
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| 19:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | anyway there's no building to hold those energies back |
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| 19:41.38 | TiagoTiago | So all they have to deal with is sudden expansion of radioactive steam? That doesn't sound all that hard todeal with if you build the whole place with the worse case scenario in mind |
| 19:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | they consider to vent the containment to lower the pressure now :-S |
| 19:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | emergency cooling is powered by *batteries* which will deplete in a few hours |
| 19:42.08 | RST38h | Ah cool |
| 19:42.18 | javispedro | batteries? =) |
| 19:42.22 | javispedro | here they have gas |
| 19:42.30 | RST38h | As I said, Japanese are REALLY hilarious when it comes to nuclear disasters |
| 19:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | everything else broke |
| 19:42.49 | RST38h | For example: http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf37.html |
| 19:42.59 | TiagoTiago | just build a whole underground ring around the thing, pump all the air out of it, and when things go boom just open the hatches and let the vacuum suck |
| 19:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | errr yes TiagoTiago |
| 19:43.23 | javispedro | TiagoTiago: you're already assuming the plant is ruined. so far, everything I've read tends to indicate they're still not that worried. |
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| 19:43.54 | TiagoTiago | Better to suck the radioactive steam than to vent it to the atmosphere |
| 19:44.36 | frals | they are venting some gas which they claim to have very low nuclear activity and is not harmful for humans/environment |
| 19:44.36 | ZogG | TiagoTiago you can nuke the plant just in case something wrong |
| 19:44.41 | frals | other than that its fine |
| 19:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | when a core melts it goes thru the ground no matter if that's concrete or whatever and it's anybody's guess when it will stop its journey to center of earth. Actually it'd be quite nice when it didn't stop until vanished completely :-P |
| 19:44.46 | ZogG | it would be double nuke - double win |
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| 19:44.55 | frals | ... that what the media here is making us believe, anyway |
| 19:45.03 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/symbian-ui-overhaul-scheduled-for-the-fall/ |
| 19:45.08 | ZogG | frals, bw wanted to ask you, do you mind to implent portrait mode in fmms |
| 19:45.23 | RST38h | Doc: Not really |
| 19:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | frals: in Japan noting ever is harmful to anything |
| 19:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | or anybody |
| 19:46.00 | ZogG | RST38h looks like meego preview and android |
| 19:46.16 | TiagoTiago | Well, except full resolution cartoon genitals |
| 19:46.27 | ZogG | i would like that music widget to be ported anyway =) |
| 19:47.04 | ZogG | RST38h haha i liked that thin applet to pull down *cough* android *cough* |
| 19:47.10 | javispedro | =) |
| 19:47.12 | TiagoTiago | So when a core meltsdown you can turn the nucular into a geothermal plant without needing to drill anything? |
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| 19:47.34 | ZogG | RST38h, but i think others people problems are morei nteresting news to people |
| 19:47.47 | javispedro | nu cu lar. |
| 19:48.01 | TiagoTiago | indeed |
| 19:48.03 | RST38h | ZogG: Fire. Water. People at work. One can watch these three for ever and ever. |
| 19:48.39 | ZogG | RST38h, yeah especially when your ass in warm place and you can judge them that they did it wrong and could prevent it |
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| 19:49.35 | ZogG | https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/256198842.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1299873453&Signature=1wZtDGF%2FeXa5%2BmfWZAjRTU8HITE%3D |
| 19:49.50 | ZogG | here some japs roads are crashing for ya |
| 19:50.08 | TiagoTiago | Kinda ironical how a powerplant is having issues with getting enough power to run itself |
| 19:50.15 | RST38h | Nah, why do you think I would want them to prevent it? |
| 19:51.31 | TiagoTiago | Looks like a fun place to ride a downhill bike |
| 19:51.55 | RST38h | http://drugoi.livejournal.com/3507253.html#cutid1 |
| 19:53.07 | TiagoTiago | some awesome photographies there |
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| 19:56.16 | TiagoTiago | I wish there parks designed like that half wavy road around where i live |
| 19:58.03 | ZogG | http://probablyinteractive.com/url-hunter - nice thing =) |
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| 20:00.16 | wazd | hi all |
| 20:01.45 | TiagoTiago | that doesn't seem playable on microB :\ |
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| 20:06.22 | GAN900 | That tsunami footage across the farmland in Japan is unreal. |
| 20:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely |
| 20:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | not only the farmland |
| 20:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen a short clip that looked like 500 massive houses wiped away in seconds |
| 20:08.04 | ZogG | wazd i searched for you |
| 20:08.06 | ZogG | wazd i even missed you |
| 20:08.41 | ZogG | wazd ÑлÑÑ Ð¿Ð°Ñенек, Ð´Ð¶Ð°Ð±Ð±ÐµÑ Ð´Ð¶Ð¸Ð´ дай погонÑÑÑ, а? =) |
| 20:09.25 | TiagoTiago | I saw this one that looks like this little puddle of mud and twigs oozing by, it's actually a bunch of cars, trucks, boats and assorted urban debri going around this warehouse-like building |
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| 20:11.01 | TiagoTiago | The thing was so huge that from far away it looked like it was a small very viscous mud blob |
| 20:13.21 | TiagoTiago | hm, i gotta go now, cya |
| 20:15.41 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.00 | javispedro | some lemmings already calling it "PR1.4" |
| 20:16.58 | ruskie | can someone use a nice hammer? |
| 20:19.45 | Arkenoi | returned from meego conference |
| 20:19.52 | javispedro | ???????' |
| 20:19.52 | Arkenoi | atom atom atom atom atom atom atom |
| 20:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | whispering "remember my prophecy about maemo's first class funeral with a harmattan-meego hybrid release full of borkedness and rolled out under label PR1.4" while leaving for a walk... |
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| 20:28.22 | GAN900 | javispedro, sorry, we moved it. You missed it. :P |
| 20:28.32 | GAN900 | javispedro, planning on trying for SF? |
| 20:29.26 | SwedeMike | I heard good things about maemo SSU today anyway, is it time to upgrade (I need the phone to work) |
| 20:29.33 | SwedeMike | community SSU I should say |
| 20:29.45 | javispedro | GAN900: so far not, I will have problems at those dates (prolly new job) |
| 20:29.59 | korhojoa | Where exactly can one find the community SSU? |
| 20:30.16 | lcuk | in the community. |
| 20:30.23 | GAN900 | javispedro, too bad. |
| 20:30.26 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer? |
| 20:30.37 | javispedro | yeah... specially since it's on the states and it's being time I visit them =) |
| 20:30.49 | lcuk | GAN900, todays quake and stuff is awful :( |
| 20:31.15 | SwedeMike | korhojoa: google say http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 20:32.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: ?? |
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| 20:34.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | curses - FMradio app vanished |
| 20:35.30 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, gonna try for SF? |
| 20:35.52 | GAN900 | javispedro, clearly it's time to put on your negotiator's cap with your new boss. |
| 20:36.00 | GAN900 | SF is an awfully nice place to visit. |
| 20:36.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | NFI what u talk bout |
| 20:36.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry walkimg |
| 20:37.24 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: there's a meego conference in san francisco |
| 20:37.26 | javispedro | in few months |
| 20:37.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd love to visit SF, alas no ticket no money |
| 20:38.51 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, sponsorship? |
| 20:39.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | :) welcome |
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| 20:39.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | vme wonders if IPradio would be better than installing FMrx via 3G |
| 20:40.41 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: have you tried my app? |
| 20:40.49 | korhojoa | IPradio isn't really that good if you've got a flaky connection |
| 20:40.50 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: cfmradio, package should be less than 150KiB with no deps |
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| 20:43.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | ** downloading 855.xKB..... insatllation of FM radio not possible :-( |
| 20:44.17 | javispedro | your PR1.2->CSSU->PR1.3 setup is really broken ;) |
| 20:44.28 | korhojoa | :D |
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| 20:48.33 | merlin1991 | CSSU->PR1.3? did you "revert" again? |
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| 20:57.06 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, at least make sure you register and apply. |
| 20:58.45 | MohammadAG | of all places, SF heh |
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| 20:59.09 | MohammadAG | tickets cost at least $1400 to SF, I'll pass :) |
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| 21:00.47 | MohammadAG | I wonder if my mediaplayer would run on MeeGo... |
| 21:00.57 | MohammadAG | should just need mafw recompiled I guess |
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| 21:02.06 | pupnik | http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14007892 Teen killed after stowing away in the wheel-well of a Boeing 737. Parents sue airport. |
| 21:02.22 | pupnik | I was going to see if anyone survived such a stunt |
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| 21:02.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | found the icon that vanished from apmefo. FMrx somehow works but no audio |
| 21:02.52 | MohammadAG | silent? |
| 21:03.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw HAM log says "error on overwriting FMrx.desktop" |
| 21:03.21 | MohammadAG | heh, stock mediaplayer is tricky |
| 21:03.30 | MohammadAG | it doesn't update the UI when it isn't visible |
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| 21:03.42 | MohammadAG | but it detects when you're in the task manager |
| 21:03.54 | Pillum | mohammed, how you know? |
| 21:03.59 | MohammadAG | I wasn't even sure if that was possible |
| 21:04.09 | MohammadAG | dbus-monitor --session is the easiest way |
| 21:04.21 | MohammadAG | if you're in terminal, you'll get nothing |
| 21:04.35 | MohammadAG | go out of terminal, you'll see new lines calling get_position every 1s |
| 21:05.07 | MohammadAG | funny as now I just remembered in PR1.0 the progress bar never updated in the task manager |
| 21:05.12 | MohammadAG | wonders how they did it |
| 21:06.02 | MohammadAG | mafw is kind of good |
| 21:06.09 | MohammadAG | stock player makes it suck |
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| 21:16.03 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, APPLY for SPONSORSHIP! :) |
| 21:16.56 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, if you don't get it I'll have lost all faith in the project and its directors. :) |
| 21:19.16 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, I'm calling you out, too. :P |
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| 21:41.23 | ZogG_lap | damn i forgot AC of laptop at home |
| 21:42.23 | ZogG_lap | wazd: sup |
| 21:42.30 | ZogG_lap | here at work already |
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| 21:47.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: to get sponsorship for any meego conf I guess I need to pollish my image of my attitude toward meego ;-) |
| 21:48.10 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, not necessarily. But putting words into action would probably be recommended. |
| 21:48.26 | GAN900 | In fact, I should probably say: Not at all. |
| 21:48.34 | GAN900 | But action does talk. |
| 21:51.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | what action are you thinkin of? |
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| 21:56.28 | tybollt | gan! |
| 21:56.42 | tybollt | GAN900: do spill about the n950? when when when? |
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| 21:58.30 | rtyler | heh |
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| 22:01.57 | MohammadAG | GAN900, :) |
| 22:02.22 | GAN900 | tybollt, no idea. |
| 22:02.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: which app of yours? |
| 22:02.54 | ZogG_work | chrome on windows + web freenode = terrible fonts |
| 22:03.08 | ZogG_work | i forgot AC adapter for laptop at home, now i would kill myself |
| 22:03.17 | ZogG_work | DocScrutinizer51: don't try to stop me |
| 22:03.21 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, nothing particularly grueling, but, as Stskeeps is so fond of refraining: Dive in and get to work on what bothers you. |
| 22:03.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: "cfmradio", "C FM Radio" |
| 22:04.06 | GAN900 | tybollt, 6 months out of anything even remotely resembling that hook-in. ;) |
| 22:04.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: it's on extras-testing. |
| 22:04.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
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| 22:05.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw audio works after a restart now |
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| 22:06.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: I'll give that a try when I'm back home. this app now is really borked in some ways |
| 22:06.50 | javispedro | hm |
| 22:07.01 | MohammadAG | reflash! |
| 22:07.02 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 22:07.06 | javispedro | well the reason I've not pushed mine to extras yet is because I fear some weird interactions with phone calls when using it |
| 22:07.20 | javispedro | and I don't want to repeat the initial fmradio fiasco.. |
| 22:07.25 | MohammadAG | use libplayback |
| 22:07.48 | MohammadAG | or listen to /com/nokia/csd |
| 22:08.04 | javispedro | I know that; however grimme did listen for lots of extra notifications |
| 22:08.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr |
| 22:08.35 | javispedro | I do not want to extend my tentacles all over the system for such a simple function, so I'm trying to decide what is the requisite minimum |
| 22:08.36 | MohammadAG | i still don't get one thing though |
| 22:08.50 | MohammadAG | how does the stock mediaplayer sound a beep instead of full sounds |
| 22:08.57 | javispedro | "sound a beep"? |
| 22:08.58 | MohammadAG | but mine doesn't |
| 22:09.05 | MohammadAG | even though they're both using mafw |
| 22:09.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: you'll have to update my memory about those fmradio issues with calls - when I'm back home |
| 22:09.18 | MohammadAG | javispedro, when you get a notification while music's playing |
| 22:09.28 | MohammadAG | you get a beep instead of the ringing tone |
| 22:09.38 | javispedro | that is probably our little ohmd friend. |
| 22:10.00 | javispedro | you can't emulate the same behaviour on mohammediaplayer? |
| 22:10.13 | MohammadAG | not with mafw, there's something else |
| 22:10.19 | javispedro | oh, oh. |
| 22:10.21 | javispedro | funny. |
| 22:10.37 | javispedro | the only other source I know for metadata would be libplayback. |
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| 22:10.56 | MohammadAG | i mean, you can even resume playback without the stock mediaplayer (dbus magic), and sound would still not turn to beeps |
| 22:11.16 | MohammadAG | so it's obviously a bug in mafw, that was "fixed" in mediaplayer |
| 22:11.31 | javispedro | hum, weird. |
| 22:11.44 | javispedro | does your app get muted when a notification arrives? |
| 22:12.18 | MohammadAG | yes |
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| 22:13.04 | MohammadAG | technically it's not mine, it's mafw-gst-renderer |
| 22:13.13 | javispedro | was going to write "fully assimilated community members" |
| 22:13.31 | javispedro | wrong choice of words I guess. |
| 22:13.50 | andre__ | javispedro: GSoC - everything going fine, or can I help somehow? (deadline in 45min) |
| 22:14.03 | javispedro | (let's go to #meego) |
| 22:14.29 | andre__ | oops. true :) |
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| 22:54.40 | ZogG_work | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 23:03.00 | ZogG_work | =( |
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| 23:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh, so cfmradio... Let's see |
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| 23:23.04 | javispedro | quick, I'm going to play some game in few minutes... |
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| 23:28.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: quite funny |
| 23:28.49 | javispedro | what is funny? |
| 23:29.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | I started cfm, plugged then unplugged headset ->acoustic feedback speaker 2 mic, no more radio |
| 23:29.50 | javispedro | headset. |
| 23:29.51 | javispedro | ok. |
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| 23:31.15 | javispedro | don't do that for the time being =), use headphones only. will fix later. |
| 23:31.22 | javispedro | cya! |
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