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| 00:36.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | ## parachute used: diameter 10m, made of cottonsilk (nylon) |
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| 01:14.28 | GeneralAntilles | yawns. |
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| 01:23.46 | Proteous | do'nt do that |
| 01:23.50 | Proteous | I can't type |
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| 01:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | burps |
| 01:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly what's nylon based cottonsilk |
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| 01:41.38 | zanberdo | this might not be the right channel for this question, but I'm hoping someone has seen this: I have an N900 with T-Mobile as my service provider. I've upgraded the SIM to the uicc model but for some reason the damn network will not provision me with service. Anyone run into this and have any suggestions? |
| 01:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | I don't even have any F'ing clue what'a uicc model |
| 01:43.18 | SpeedEvil | zanberdo: you're inthe US I assume? |
| 01:43.23 | zanberdo | yes |
| 01:44.00 | zanberdo | uicc is just the latest SIM card evidently. I don't know either. I was told my SIM from my old phone might not provision the data plan on the new network and they said 'go get the latest SIM' |
| 01:44.10 | zanberdo | it's likely not relevant... |
| 01:44.19 | zanberdo | but in case it was, I wanted to throw it out there |
| 01:45.06 | zanberdo | I'm getting tired of being told 'we've reprovisioned your account, it could take 2 to 4 hours before you have access' so I wait and when I check it I still get redirected to the damn upsell sight for t-mobile |
| 01:45.16 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:45.18 | zanberdo | yeah |
| 01:45.26 | zanberdo | I've confirmed my network settings are correct |
| 01:45.31 | zanberdo | with their tech support |
| 01:45.31 | SpeedEvil | I don't suppose you've got another phone you could check it with? |
| 01:46.00 | zanberdo | no, sadly my previous phone was a clam-shell Z80 (or some such)... |
| 01:46.14 | zanberdo | I'm going to stop in at the T-Mobile store on my way home tonight |
| 01:46.22 | zanberdo | but I fear I'm going to get there and they won't have a clue what to do |
| 01:46.25 | Proteous | zanberdo, is it just your data that doesn't work? |
| 01:46.29 | zanberdo | so I thought I try here first |
| 01:46.38 | zanberdo | let me try to answer that as best I can |
| 01:46.44 | zanberdo | I can connect to wifi with no trouble |
| 01:46.46 | Proteous | can you recieve calls? |
| 01:46.56 | zanberdo | and I get phone calls and text with no trouble |
| 01:46.59 | Proteous | okay |
| 01:47.08 | Proteous | did you try all three APNs for the network? |
| 01:47.24 | Proteous | <- I have tmobile and a n900 |
| 01:47.37 | pupnik_ | yaay |
| 01:47.44 | Proteous | tmobile doesn't know I have a n900 though |
| 01:47.49 | Proteous | they think I have a dumbphone |
| 01:47.53 | zanberdo | I can even connect to the t-mobile network for data. it's just that whenever i try to navigate I get redirected to their 'your device doesn't work with this data plan' |
| 01:47.56 | Proteous | so I pay just $10 for unlimted data |
| 01:48.00 | Proteous | yeah |
| 01:48.04 | Proteous | what APN are you using? |
| 01:48.08 | zanberdo | all three apns? |
| 01:48.13 | zanberdo | I think I only have the one |
| 01:48.42 | Proteous | what one is it? |
| 01:49.09 | zanberdo | epc.tmobile.com |
| 01:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | you need an APN, and you maybe want to use a specific DNS, in advanced settings of that packet data connection on N900 |
| 01:49.19 | zanberdo | no username or password |
| 01:49.20 | Proteous | try internet2.voicestream.com |
| 01:49.35 | zanberdo | let me try that. |
| 01:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | sighs on fourth wold situation regarding GSM/3G in USA |
| 01:50.27 | Proteous | heh |
| 01:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | world* |
| 01:50.45 | zanberdo | Proteous, should I leave auto-retrieve IP address and DNS or should I specify one as Doc suggests? |
| 01:50.51 | Proteous | auto |
| 01:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | try auto first |
| 01:51.15 | zanberdo | yeah |
| 01:51.18 | zanberdo | ok, trying now |
| 01:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | if you get redirected to <randomshit> then use e.g. 8.8.8.8 |
| 01:51.34 | zanberdo | YEAH! |
| 01:51.36 | zanberdo | that did it! |
| 01:51.38 | Proteous | :) |
| 01:51.38 | zanberdo | brilliant |
| 01:51.41 | zanberdo | thank you! |
| 01:51.44 | Proteous | no problem |
| 01:51.46 | Proteous | have fun |
| 01:51.49 | zanberdo | been fighting this for a few days now! hehehe |
| 01:51.55 | Proteous | tmoble reps are dumb |
| 01:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | so you should come here more directly |
| 01:52.12 | zanberdo | ok, one more question: how can I get ip information from the command line? ipconfig and iwconfig do not work and I can't find a package that includes them. |
| 01:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | every drone is, not only t-mob |
| 01:52.24 | zanberdo | DocScrutinizer, you are correct sir! :) |
| 01:52.24 | Proteous | yeah |
| 01:52.42 | Proteous | there are aps that will tell you that stuff |
| 01:53.31 | zanberdo | yeah, i have a widget that gives me that info, but I was hoping there was a cli equivalent to iw/ifconfig |
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| 01:53.58 | zanberdo | I was going to say it's useful when you've ssh'd to the phone, but of course in order to do that you sort of have to know the IP so I suppose that's not a real good example... :) |
| 01:54.15 | Proteous | if you use the gainroot app |
| 01:54.21 | Proteous | you can then use ipconfig |
| 01:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | rootsh |
| 01:54.27 | Proteous | er, ifconfig |
| 01:54.41 | Proteous | yeah, ifconfig is there you just have to be root to run it |
| 01:54.45 | zanberdo | yeah, sorry, ifconfig |
| 01:54.56 | zanberdo | did I say ip? gah... having to work on windows boxes at work... |
| 01:55.06 | Proteous | yeah |
| 01:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | iw/ifconfig looks good to me |
| 01:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | both available on maemo5 |
| 01:56.11 | zanberdo | ah, I see.. I was calling ifconfig and was getting back '-bash: ifconfig: command not found' but when I run it with sudo it returns what I was seeking. should have tried it with sudo... |
| 01:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | you should have tried with `root<enter>` |
| 01:56.52 | zanberdo | heheh |
| 01:56.54 | Proteous | time to go home |
| 01:56.54 | zanberdo | probably |
| 01:56.58 | zanberdo | aye |
| 01:57.00 | zanberdo | thanks for the help! |
| 01:57.02 | zanberdo | cheers |
| 01:57.06 | Proteous | np, cya |
| 01:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
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| 01:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | I wish somebody would pay me for that stuff... |
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| 01:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ping |
| 02:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | FZ: "do they pay you good for that stuff that you do?" devil: "Y'know, I can't complain when the checks come thru" FZ: "but I want my titties and I want my beer, so you barf it back up, devil, do you hear?!" |
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| 02:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! I am fhe Devil, Do you understand? Just what will you give me for your titties and beer? I suppose you noticed this little contract here, . '' |
| 02:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | <beep><beeeeeeep> |
| 02:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | "You can't fool me, man . . . you ain't that bad . . . I mean you shoulda seen some of fhe souls I had . . . Why there was Milhous Nixon 'n Agnew too . . . 'n both of fhose suckers was worse 'n you . . "WELL, LET'S MAKE A DEAL IF YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE I MEAN, YOU'RE THE DEVIL SO ... WHATCHA GONNA DO? |
| 02:09.17 | pupnik_ | hah |
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| 02:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=441-Vnv7cRY |
| 02:42.48 | pronto | has anyone been ablt to get either of the cameras to be able to stream via flash(like ustream and such) |
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| 02:46.42 | SpeedEvil | I don't think flash supports that. |
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| 02:54.12 | pronto | i know flash itself does, but it looks like the flash the n900 has does not :< |
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| 02:55.36 | SpeedEvil | Exactly. |
| 02:57.08 | SpeedEvil | Pity. |
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| 03:04.20 | kpoman | hello all ! guys maybe unrelated to maemo, but is there a smaller image for debian chroot ? something less than that 300MB thing, that btw is ext2 and gets corrupted as soon as I try to update it ? |
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| 03:57.09 | jamesw | is there any other way to do wifi or bluetooth tethering other than paid apps such as joiku? |
| 03:57.33 | ds3 | yes, slirp |
| 03:59.14 | jamesw | thanks ds3, not getting much on google, do you know of some keywords or tutorials? |
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| 04:07.19 | jamesw | yea, nothing :( |
| 04:08.04 | ds3 | just slirp |
| 04:08.35 | ds3 | just have the bluetooth stuff listen for a rfcomm connection and have it spawn slirp instead of the other thing |
| 04:13.29 | jamesw | here is a good resource http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 04:14.56 | orangey | Hello all! |
| 04:15.59 | orangey | I'm helping a friend with android, and it makes me that much more amazed with Maemo |
| 04:17.06 | orangey | Does android have anything even resembling "Conversations"? |
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| 04:18.50 | orangey | It's so sad.. I suddenly wished that instead of all the efforts to port android -> N900, people were porting Maemo to these beautiful android phones |
| 04:19.10 | orangey | How is the N900 better than the HTC Desire Z? Why can't I have maemo on that? |
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| 06:39.52 | RST38h | Samsung tries its hand at poaching disgruntled Symbian devs for Bada |
| 06:39.57 | RST38h | No wonder... |
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| 06:40.46 | ruskie | I thought samsung had another more maemo type initiative iirc |
| 06:40.54 | ruskie | i.e. a full stack from the ground up |
| 06:41.01 | ruskie | not Bada |
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| 06:45.07 | budfive | anybody know if ogg files are supposed to work in the stock n900 media player? I recall it working at some point, but it doesn't now |
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| 06:45.13 | budfive | I think I have extra codecs and whatnot installed |
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| 06:52.02 | kulve | budfive: no ogg-support out of the box. Installing ogg-support from extras should bring in the ogg support to media player |
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| 06:52.31 | budfive | kulve: hmmm. Any idea how to debug it? ogg-support is installed, but no ogg files show up |
| 06:53.34 | kulve | if you have a lot of oggs, it can take a while before they show up |
| 06:55.04 | slonopotamus | oggs - things from chickon? |
| 06:55.08 | doc|home | has anyone noticed that when you play the first song (happens on more than one) the media player will stop part way into the song. |
| 06:55.15 | doc|home | plays through fine if you start it over |
| 06:55.34 | trumee | is it possible to Hold/Unhold command to Dialer via a script? |
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| 06:56.38 | trumee | The only way to get a decent sip call is to do the above in dialer, and i would like to map it to the camera key |
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| 07:00.05 | budfive | kulve: hmm. reinstalling ogg-support made it work.... |
| 07:01.52 | kulve | well, good that it works now :) |
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| 07:03.09 | ds3 | ~> |
| 07:03.09 | infobot | somebody said > was redirection of stdout to a file. |
| 07:03.12 | ds3 | ~>~. |
| 07:03.27 | ds3 | blah |
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| 07:15.04 | yigal | is there an application that can will let me draw/write on pictures taken from my n900's camera? |
| 07:16.56 | visz | MyPaint |
| 07:17.10 | visz | allthough it's more of a stylus painting program |
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| 07:17.21 | visz | with large brush selections |
| 07:17.29 | yigal | visz: I like MyPaint it's just that it's a bit too resource intensive |
| 07:17.38 | yigal | visz: sorry I should have said that |
| 07:17.43 | yigal | visz: great program by the way |
| 07:17.44 | visz | =) |
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| 07:18.29 | visz | can you write text with ansel-a? |
| 07:18.36 | visz | i rather like that program |
| 07:18.58 | yigal | I haven't tried it yet :) |
| 07:19.07 | visz | it's a bit like lightroom |
| 07:19.15 | visz | http://ansela.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 07:19.36 | yigal | I was checking it out, looks nice |
| 07:19.42 | yigal | after you dropped the name |
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| 07:20.08 | yigal | I've decided to install the latest firefox but after that's finished downloading I'll try it out |
| 07:20.49 | visz | haven't had that installed for a while |
| 07:20.56 | visz | ansel-a |
| 07:21.02 | visz | # EXIF-Browser-with-maps |
| 07:21.44 | yigal | not exactly what I was looking for but well it might be good to have |
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| 07:27.57 | Zero_Dogg | Hi, is there any alternate locatino to download the latest n810 firmware image? tablets-dev.nokia.com is refusing my n810 WLAN id |
| 07:28.00 | yigal | visz: I think I'll just stick with MyPaint for the time being |
| 07:28.07 | flat` | fyuu |
| 07:28.10 | flat` | kahvi jäöäty |
| 07:28.16 | yigal | visz: thank you |
| 07:28.16 | visz | right on |
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| 08:01.32 | Zero_Dogg | Are there any known /software/ issues with wlan? My N810 locks up and then reboots whenever it scans for networks, so I'm guessing it might be hw |
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| 08:16.15 | smhar | I am trying to install PyQt 4 Demo but I am getting this error: "Unable to install 'PyQt4 Demo'. Some application packages required for the installation are missing". the details button show the followings: python2.5-qt4-core, python2.5-qt4-xml and python2.5-qt4-gui |
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| 08:47.56 | smhar | is PyQt4 Demo broken? |
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| 09:02.53 | timeless_xchat | anyone here familiar w/ apache logging? |
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| 09:08.22 | RST38h | Moorning, people |
| 09:08.30 | timeless_xchat | morning |
| 09:09.03 | merlin_N900 | morning |
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| 09:09.47 | Khertan | Morning |
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| 09:10.29 | alterego | RST38h: I never had a reply to that email you sent that guy about his SIP client. |
| 09:10.35 | alterego | Did you hear anything? |
| 09:13.42 | smhar | is PyQt4 Demo broken? |
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| 09:17.28 | nidO | timeless_xchat: whats up? |
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| 09:20.58 | RST38h | alterego: Eh? |
| 09:21.03 | RST38h | alterego: Ah that |
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| 09:21.31 | Khertan | hum ... i ve a software architecture question, the next version of khweeteur will retrieve tweets in background, should i made a daemon running all time, or try to use alarmd. Then how to warn the gui, communicate via dbus, or made my own rpc call ? |
| 09:21.33 | alterego | :) |
| 09:22.05 | Khertan | the problem i see using dbus is that it s not available on win |
| 09:22.07 | RST38h | alterego: He has been hit by a bus and is currently traveling on its windshield |
| 09:22.42 | RST38h | alterego: Will probably come back to reality once the bus stops. |
| 09:23.04 | alterego | Khertan: I'd just have another thred |
| 09:23.05 | alterego | Khertan: why do you want it as a seperate service? |
| 09:23.47 | alterego | Khertan: but if there is a good reason, dbus signals would be cool, as other people can integrate |
| 09:24.33 | alterego | RST38h: heh, fair enough, I was just wondering because I had some issues with my dns which would have effected my email last week. |
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| 09:38.32 | Khertan | alterego: ... indeed ... but no real interest in fact :) |
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| 09:42.44 | pupnik | Mark Pincus has amassed a $US1 billion fortune (Farmville, CityVille, Mafia Wars) |
| 09:43.52 | psycho_oreos | wow, nice bit of useless info |
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| 09:46.54 | crashanddie | Khertan, not RPC -- AT ALL |
| 09:47.04 | crashanddie | Khertan, you probably meant IPC |
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| 09:47.33 | pupnik | shows scope of online gaming psycho_oreos |
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| 09:48.00 | alterego | Khertan: well, if you ever feel the need to write a desktop widget as well ;) |
| 09:48.23 | crashanddie | Khertan, I'd suggest using DBus. It's relatively well-documented, however, your first assertion is not the right one: you shouldn't use a daemon just to retrieve tweets in the background. That's called a thread. If you include a daemon in Khweeteur, I'm removing it from my N900 ;) |
| 09:48.53 | psycho_oreos | pupnik, more like how someone made fortune from online gaming, I wonder how relevant is that compared to maemo stuff :p |
| 09:49.14 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos, dude, this is #maemo, off-topic is the new on-topic. |
| 09:50.11 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie, *sigh* |
| 09:54.33 | RST38h | CONCLUSION: In order for Maemo/Meego to be successful, we need to figure out how to associate it with online gaming |
| 09:54.43 | RST38h | s/gaming/gambling. |
| 09:55.17 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:55.36 | RST38h | guesses pornography wouldn't hurt either |
| 09:55.56 | alterego | RST38h: but Nokia already folded :P |
| 09:56.07 | Khertan | crashanddie: indeed ipc :) |
| 09:56.54 | Khertan | crashanddie: this is for providing dm and mentions notifications even if khweeteur is close |
| 09:57.02 | Khertan | crashanddie: but it ll be optionnal of course |
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| 09:57.35 | RST38h | alterego: Does nto matter, as long as there is gambling and pornography! =) |
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| 09:59.39 | psycho_oreos | and warez? |
| 09:59.41 | Khertan | crashanddie: the next version will use qml :) |
| 09:59.46 | psycho_oreos | maybe we should start condoning the piracy? |
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| 10:17.16 | timeless_xchat | nid0: i'll ask after lunch |
| 10:17.49 | timeless_xchat | i need log files to be owned by a certain group |
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| 10:33.42 | edheldil | probably nothing new to you, but an interesting read nonetheless: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Nokia-and-open-source-a-trial-by-fire-1194928.html |
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| 11:21.47 | Lava_Croft | shit article |
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| 11:26.00 | pupnik | ? |
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| 11:34.17 | Lava_Croft | any article about the Nokia/MS deal that talks about Nokia now being just a MS OEM is a shit article |
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| 11:39.17 | Veggen | Lava_Croft: Det real gripe people have, I guess, is that Nokia keeps so quiet about their official plans, etc. There is no clear roadmap for Meego now, and people are wary about going for it. |
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| 11:40.22 | Veggen | Personally, if I were a developer, I'd be reluctant to target Meego now, and this will be the demise of Meego unless someone actually says "yes, Meego is a primary platform for us for the immediate and long-term time-frame" |
| 11:41.46 | Lava_Croft | i dont see how this is related, unless the relation is being angry and therefore making really dumb remarks, like the writer of that article |
| 11:41.49 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 11:42.15 | Lava_Croft | i dont think it's exactly fair to nokia either |
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| 12:07.53 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: pong - but I'm at #qcon so a little disconnected |
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| 12:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | whatever qcon is |
| 12:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | I gather it's some happening in HEL, so part of my ping is moot |
| 12:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | at least it's no widely popular IRC chan :-P |
| 12:11.04 | frals | its not in HEL |
| 12:11.10 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, it's a conference in London |
| 12:11.10 | frals | think its in london? |
| 12:11.24 | Jaffa | nods. |
| 12:11.24 | frals | thought it was quakecon first, was disappointed when it wasnt :< |
| 12:11.34 | Jaffa | heh |
| 12:11.51 | frals | ;) |
| 12:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: how's negotiations with Nokia? |
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| 12:18.38 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I (personally) haven't had a chance to touch base with qgil yet this week. Will try to do so today. |
| 12:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: fine :-) |
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| 12:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | frowns at his English skills getting worse year by year, rather than better. Wonders what to do to counteract that. For sure IRC isn't the place to practice |
| 12:29.12 | KMFDM | DocScrutinizer, if it makes you feel any better, I'm an american expat with the same problem |
| 12:29.33 | KMFDM | talking with Americans from where I'm from certainly isn't the way to improve it |
| 12:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 12:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | nice nick, btw |
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| 12:37.30 | RST38h | Doc: Move to US! |
| 12:37.53 | RST38h | Doc: Start going to born-again christian conventions! |
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| 12:41.12 | lardman|gone | can't see moving the the US helping people to speak English ;) |
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| 12:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: ++ |
| 12:47.37 | E0x | heh DocScrutinizer that pic in you tmo avatar is you ? |
| 12:47.49 | lardman | My German is pretty poor now as I never get to speak it |
| 12:48.18 | lardman | in fact it was better at school than when I was at uni, despite doing some of my engineering courses in German |
| 12:48.39 | MohammadAG | arschloch (probably misspelled) is the only word I know :p |
| 12:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | that pic is one of my avatars. The instance typing this is another one |
| 12:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: perfect |
| 12:50.07 | MohammadAG | Oh and wassar |
| 12:50.18 | E0x | DocScrutinizer: heh i was thinking of what badass guy |
| 12:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, for me at least. Going anal, dome German profs might claim it's a noun an needs capital |
| 12:50.54 | MohammadAG | Asshole is a noun that needs captilaism? |
| 12:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | s/dom/som/ |
| 12:51.32 | DocScrutinizer | Assholes need capitalism, yes |
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| 12:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | well, see what's my initial statement. I just mean upper case first letter |
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| 12:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: |
| 12:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~x de en Wasser |
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| 12:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | capitalization is the word |
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| 12:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~spell captilaism |
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| 13:01.53 | RST38h | ~spell capsialism |
| 13:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | she's quite creative :-) |
| 13:02.48 | _berto_ | ~spell meego |
| 13:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | merger, hey |
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| 13:03.29 | trx | lol |
| 13:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | Magoo always been my fav |
| 13:03.55 | _berto_ | ~spell elop |
| 13:04.03 | _berto_ | flop |
| 13:04.04 | _berto_ | hmmmm |
| 13:04.07 | trx | flop haha |
| 13:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | MrFlop |
| 13:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | I thought that's been the right spelling from beginning |
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| 13:05.27 | RST38h | Maeblin sounds better than Magoo |
| 13:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | you know those games "take away one match to make this a correct word" |
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| 13:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | MeEgo |
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| 13:07.54 | SpeedEvil | Meows. |
| 13:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=Mr+Flop |
| 13:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | moin SpeedEvil |
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| 13:28.24 | pupnik | the e71 transflective display is fantastically readable in sunlight |
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| 13:29.37 | range | 7act |
| 13:29.40 | range | Grr- |
| 13:30.57 | pupnik | short password |
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| 13:35.03 | Macer | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/221770/apple_releases_xcode_4_puts_it_for_sale_on_the_app_store.html |
| 13:35.11 | Macer | facepalms apple |
| 13:35.31 | RST38h | Stop facepalming religious icons! |
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| 13:36.05 | Macer | you know.. you just get to the point where it seems like gas prices are $4/gallon |
| 13:36.10 | Macer | oh.... wait.... |
| 13:36.54 | ruskie | notes that gas prices around here have beet 1eur+/L for a while now |
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| 13:40.36 | pupnik | yeap |
| 13:40.41 | Khertan | notes that gas prices around here is near 2eur+/L |
| 13:40.53 | pupnik | owwww |
| 13:41.19 | pupnik | get ready for inflation |
| 13:42.05 | Khertan | each time gas rise 0.1 ... gov take 0.089 ... so total is 0.189 |
| 13:42.11 | Khertan | welcome to francre |
| 13:42.14 | Khertan | france |
| 13:43.01 | ruskie | well they seem to try and maintain the prices a bit more in check here with their gas tax |
| 13:43.14 | Dassu | why not buy a electric car? |
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| 13:43.25 | ruskie | to few charging points? |
| 13:43.28 | ruskie | not enough range? |
| 13:43.30 | FauxFaux | too |
| 13:43.33 | Dassu | eh? |
| 13:43.35 | Khertan | Dassu: because i need a range larger than 50km |
| 13:44.05 | Dassu | perheps there are ele cars with range more than 50km |
| 13:44.10 | FauxFaux | Why not move to a city with petroleum powered transport network and get all your stuff delivered by petroleum powered couriers? Oh, wait. /o\ |
| 13:44.22 | Dassu | dunno,@I have never driven a car |
| 13:44.25 | ruskie | for my daily trip I'd need 12km range... each day and that's just home->work->home |
| 13:44.28 | RST38h | Khertan: Do not drive, walk |
| 13:44.32 | Khertan | French Car constructor here just change the gas motor by an electric one without thinking more ... |
| 13:44.33 | RST38h | Do not fly either |
| 13:44.38 | FauxFaux | 12km is within cycling distance. |
| 13:44.40 | ruskie | and I don't want to charge it every day |
| 13:44.44 | Khertan | RST38h: i take the train ... but the train here use also gaz :) |
| 13:44.49 | ruskie | FauxFaux, 6km one way |
| 13:45.05 | RST38h | does not understand why people need to drive or fly huge distances. Raise the fuel prices, pin them to their current locations, it is safer this way |
| 13:45.05 | FauxFaux | That's, like, 20, 25 minutes. |
| 13:45.06 | ruskie | FauxFaux, and no... I'm tired of cycling in wind, rain, snow, |
| 13:45.16 | pupnik | notes that cycling is fun and refreshing |
| 13:45.18 | RST38h | Will save you on security measures at the airports, too |
| 13:45.23 | FauxFaux | RST38h: Good thing tourism isn't the only interest in many places. |
| 13:45.27 | ruskie | I used to cycle each day to work and back |
| 13:45.27 | FauxFaux | *industry |
| 13:45.28 | Khertan | RST38h: give me a telecommute work ! :) |
| 13:45.32 | ruskie | always ~6km |
| 13:45.37 | ruskie | one way |
| 13:45.39 | RST38h | Faux: there is also alcoholism, indeed |
| 13:45.43 | ruskie | takes me like 15-20 min |
| 13:45.45 | ruskie | BUT |
| 13:45.55 | ruskie | I had to replace my tires every 6 months |
| 13:46.05 | ruskie | replace the inflation tubes every two weeks |
| 13:46.11 | pupnik | biked year round in minnesota |
| 13:46.15 | ruskie | because nobody cleans the bike routes... |
| 13:46.22 | ruskie | so they are full of glass and other crap |
| 13:46.30 | ruskie | and then there's the nice people that will stab the tire... |
| 13:46.32 | Khertan | the only appealing electric car i know is : http://www.teslamotors.com/models |
| 13:46.43 | pupnik | ruskie i hate those people |
| 13:46.45 | RST38h | And how do you charge it? |
| 13:46.56 | RST38h | And, btw, how much pollutants did it take to build the battery? |
| 13:47.07 | Khertan | ruskie: do not complain you have bike route ... there isn't were i live :) |
| 13:47.22 | ruskie | Khertan, only part of the way |
| 13:47.25 | Khertan | 480Km range |
| 13:47.30 | ruskie | part of the way is on a rather dangerous part of the road |
| 13:47.41 | ruskie | ow... and when there is snow... I might get to work in the morning |
| 13:47.44 | ruskie | but getting home will become impossible |
| 13:47.59 | ruskie | because all the snow ploughs will dump all the excess snow ON the bike paths... |
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| 13:49.00 | ruskie | and it's not like I have a city/trekking/road bike... |
| 13:49.09 | ruskie | no I drive around on a mountain bike |
| 13:49.26 | ruskie | have rather chunky tires... and even that doesn't really help |
| 13:50.22 | ruskie | and of course there's the constant issue of drivers actually NOT respecting right of way for bikes... so a crash is always an option |
| 13:50.48 | ruskie | and carrying around quite a few tools to be able to always fix a flat is not fun as well |
| 13:51.08 | ruskie | I might try to bike to work during the summer though... |
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| 13:51.23 | ruskie | but depends on the weather |
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| 13:52.04 | ruskie | note to self: go buy yourself a bigger bik seat before actually trying to bike again... |
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| 13:52.19 | andre__ | ~seen javispedro |
| 13:52.28 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 14h 15m 8s ago, saying: 'call the fire brigade'. |
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| 13:55.07 | FIQ|n900 | d # backspace backspace # |
| 13:55.34 | FIQ|n900 | awesome way to do hold=another char |
| 13:55.34 | FIQ|n900 | whatever |
| 13:55.34 | FIQ|n900 | prefers keyboard repeat |
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| 14:00.17 | pupnik | e71 screen is more readable in sun than n900 |
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| 14:10.02 | dashavoo | pupnik: but N900 screen is still more readable than most android phones I have seen =D |
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| 14:17.18 | dashavoo | After updating to PR1.3, did anyone find their network connection (mobile) became less reliable? |
| 14:17.20 | haj | nu med sidevognsbevis! :) |
| 14:17.31 | haj | sorry.. wrong chan |
| 14:17.35 | SpeedEvil | dashavoo: no |
| 14:17.59 | dashavoo | SpeedEvil: shame... there must be more wrong with my phone than just the broken screen and loose USB :( |
| 14:18.17 | dashavoo | and impossible lock code ;) |
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| 14:21.18 | SpeedEvil | dashavoo: where are you? |
| 14:21.50 | dashavoo | SpeedEvil: UK |
| 14:22.14 | SpeedEvil | dashavoo: Yiouhave a 2 year warranty |
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| 14:22.34 | SpeedEvil | Not forthebroken screen though |
| 14:22.35 | dashavoo | SpeedEvil: yes, but the broken screen isn't covered by that |
| 14:22.38 | dashavoo | yeah |
| 14:22.49 | dashavoo | I'm trying to sort that out with insurance company |
| 14:24.00 | FIQ|n900 | lol... |
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| 14:24.40 | FIQ|n900 | As i don't have access to my desktop, i changed mouse settings (so i have the new active when i login locally next time) |
| 14:25.21 | FIQ|n900 | Also, lxappearance wanted to change my mouse on my _current_ X session :P |
| 14:25.28 | FIQ|n900 | so i got a mouse in Maemo randomly |
| 14:25.59 | lcuk | must have been a small mouse to fit inside the n900 |
| 14:26.01 | FIQ|n900 | Ofc it will disappear on reboot, as the settings was made only remotely - it just wanted to change it seamless but did it on wrong session |
| 14:26.14 | FIQ|n900 | er |
| 14:26.20 | FIQ|n900 | cursor* |
| 14:26.26 | FIQ|n900 | happy now? :p |
| 14:26.35 | lcuk | :D |
| 14:27.02 | FIQ|n900 | so now i have a blue mouse inside X-chat :D |
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| 14:27.11 | deno | hi there |
| 14:27.21 | dashavoo | Hi deno |
| 14:28.39 | deno | do you know how could it be possible that after uninstalling a library, modifiying it and reinstalling it,the program uses the old lib? |
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| 14:31.45 | dashavoo | deno: it depends on how it was compiled |
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| 14:32.03 | deno | dashavoo, what do you mean? |
| 14:32.09 | deno | it was compiled well |
| 14:32.17 | deno | in scratchbox it works |
| 14:32.26 | deno | transfering it on the phone doesn't |
| 14:33.58 | dashavoo | deno, static vs dynamic linking |
| 14:34.16 | dashavoo | sorry, I was going to go into more detail, but people in the office have noticed I'm not working ;) |
| 14:34.19 | dashavoo | ciao |
| 14:34.23 | deno | see you |
| 14:34.26 | deno | ciao :P |
| 14:34.27 | deno | thx anyway |
| 14:35.47 | FIQ|n900 | huh |
| 14:36.23 | FIQ|n900 | In my settings, i have a menu item, "Remove operator lock" |
| 14:36.27 | FIQ|n900 | Why do i have it? |
| 14:36.34 | FIQ|n900 | I didn't have it before reflash |
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| 14:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | are you sure? |
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| 14:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | actually you *might* have found sth. Maybe that's one of the nowhere documented little differences between the different local version of firmware image |
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| 14:51.46 | LjL | any idea why N810 gives "Not enough memory in target location" when trying to save stuff (.debs so far) into the memory cards from MicroB? it waits a while, then it says that. "df" also takes a while before showing /media/mmc1. fsck.vfat shows no problems. i'm running the community SSU |
| 14:52.36 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping |
| 14:53.02 | Jaffa | LjL: I had that when $MYDOCSDIR was changed. |
| 14:53.12 | X-Fade | merlin1991: pong |
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| 14:53.56 | LjL | Jaffa: it is currently /home/user/MyDocs... |
| 14:53.59 | merlin1991 | Jaffa meant you handle the #maemo cloaks? |
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| 14:54.36 | X-Fade | merlin1991: On a good day, yes. |
| 14:54.45 | merlin1991 | today is a bad day? |
| 14:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 14:55.06 | Jaffa | X-Fade: 5here was a discussion about having some CSSU cloaks |
| 14:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | as you're both online, the day might be rather good |
| 14:55.37 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Can I deputize you to create a list? :) |
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| 14:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | /stats p :-/ |
| 14:56.57 | X-Fade | hands out a nice badge to Jaffa |
| 14:57.05 | Jaffa | Ta. :) |
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| 14:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | this list afaik needs account details for each user applying for a cloak |
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| 15:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | just wonders why CSSU needs own cloaks. Not that it matters... |
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| 15:07.08 | baryud | Cloak ? |
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| 15:14.35 | kerio | can i get a CSSU cloak? |
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| 15:19.39 | dashavoo | what is a cloak? Sorry if it is a really obvious question. |
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| 15:19.58 | kerio | dashavoo: /whois kerio |
| 15:20.07 | SpeedEvil | See rm_work entering the room |
| 15:20.09 | kerio | the thing that's there instead of my hostname is a cloak |
| 15:20.12 | rm_work | indeed |
| 15:20.17 | SpeedEvil | It said '(03:19:52 PM) rm_work [~rm_you@216-188-248-24.dyn.grandenetworks.net] entered the room.' |
| 15:20.26 | SpeedEvil | (03:14:04 PM) TomaszD [~tom@Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD] entered the room. |
| 15:20.28 | SpeedEvil | compare with |
| 15:20.43 | rm_work | yeah how come I don't have a hostmask :P |
| 15:20.49 | SpeedEvil | I can tell that rm_you is on (03:14:04 PM) TomaszD [~tom@Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD] entered the room. |
| 15:20.49 | dashavoo | kerio: aaah right |
| 15:20.59 | SpeedEvil | And run nmap/... against him |
| 15:21.01 | dashavoo | I always knew it as a host alias |
| 15:21.06 | kerio | i bet TomaszD is using ipv9 |
| 15:21.29 | TomaszD | ipv9 is old news |
| 15:21.35 | TomaszD | I run on ipv12 |
| 15:21.44 | kerio | ooh that's how you get that fancy hostname |
| 15:21.49 | TomaszD | yup |
| 15:21.49 | SpeedEvil | Interesting ports on 216-188-248-24.dyn.grandenetworks.net (216.188.248.24): |
| 15:21.49 | SpeedEvil | Not shown: 989 closed ports ... |
| 15:22.17 | TomaszD | I'd better have a hostmask with all these hackers around here |
| 15:22.19 | SpeedEvil | In principle, it adds some security |
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| 15:22.35 | kerio | ping: cannot resolve Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD: Unknown host ;_; |
| 15:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-10 16:07:56] <DocScrutinizer> re <Jaffa> Anyone who wants a CSSU cloak, email me ---- please include a complete copy of /msg nickserv info <your_user_name> as that's the info needed for issuing a cloak --- see related IRC channel |
| 15:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: fool, that's the whole purpose of a cloak - as the name implies |
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| 15:24.17 | rm_work | :P |
| 15:24.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: *wooooooooooooooosh* |
| 15:26.12 | Khertan | it s funny ... starting WireShark make my n900 reboot when connected to usb |
| 15:26.14 | Khertan | ... |
| 15:26.15 | Khertan | ... |
| 15:26.15 | Khertan | ... |
| 15:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 15:26.34 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:26.46 | rm_work | am i going to have to rework my network security at home? :P |
| 15:27.09 | rm_work | SpeedEvil: how many open ports did you see thar? |
| 15:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | a full nmap can't complete in such short time |
| 15:28.07 | Khertan | i ve rework mine this morning ... forgot the -r on shutdown ... |
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| 15:29.16 | Jaffa | Hmm, AFAICT, none of the nominations for the Council have been accepted yet, have they? |
| 15:29.36 | Khertan | 80/22/21/8080/443/389/3128 |
| 15:29.50 | Khertan | rm_work: you have many service running :) |
| 15:30.16 | rm_work | Yeah, 80/22/21/8080/443 sound right |
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| 15:30.27 | rm_work | 389 and 3128 i'll have to check |
| 15:30.53 | Khertan | oups ... i whois you rm_work nickname |
| 15:30.54 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: you know there's public services for that |
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| 15:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | (portscan) |
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| 15:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | [Notice] -NickServ- Email : noemail |
| 15:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt this will fly for a cloak |
| 15:33.54 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | there's [Notice] -NickServ- Flags : HideMail |
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| 15:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | NB you need to properly config your IRC client to authenticate to nickserv *prior* to entering any channel/room, otherwise such a cloak is nonsense and doesn't help |
| 15:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | the recommended method for freenode is to use <username>:<password> as the server password which virtually all clients can transmit when logging in to a IRC server |
| 15:43.14 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: 11 |
| 15:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 15:43.45 | Venemo | hi all |
| 15:44.01 | rm_work | SpeedEvil: cool. don't hack me or i'll be sad :P |
| 15:44.51 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 15:45.10 | SpeedEvil | I only hack people to make them happy, so OK. |
| 15:45.17 | rm_work | lolol |
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| 15:45.56 | chadi | any hint on how it is possible to remove the "You: " in the conversations js/html/css ? |
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| 15:48.44 | ale152 | hello! |
| 15:49.09 | ale152 | i'm trying to install xfoil, an engineering software, on n900 |
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| 15:49.27 | ale152 | for now, i'm just trying with the readme file, included in the package |
| 15:49.51 | ale152 | now it ask me a Fortran compiler on your system |
| 15:50.02 | ale152 | *on my system |
| 15:50.15 | ale152 | where can i find, a fortran compiler? |
| 15:51.46 | RST38h | f77 |
| 15:53.20 | ale152 | apt-get install f77? |
| 15:53.32 | ale152 | couldn't find :( |
| 15:54.27 | crashanddie | OH NO THEY DIDN'T http://www.peugeot.com/en/innovation/engines/hdi-fap-engines.aspx |
| 15:54.56 | crashanddie | "The FAP engine, a technical standard The HDi FAP engine provides the driver with many advantages" |
| 15:55.04 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Well, is that worse than fapman? :) |
| 15:55.36 | ale152 | RST38h, it can't install some dependencies |
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| 15:55.39 | crashanddie | "FAP: How does it work? This first phase involves catching the soot particles in a porous, silicon carbide filter." |
| 15:55.44 | ale152 | f2c and cpp |
| 15:55.58 | ale152 | it says is not installable |
| 15:57.44 | ale152 | each lib i try to install, it depends to another lib, i can't install |
| 15:58.00 | ale152 | how can i install fort77? |
| 15:58.19 | Khertan | crashanddie: what the problem with fap ? |
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| 15:58.43 | crashanddie | "to fap" == "se branler" |
| 15:58.56 | Khertan | ... ... |
| 15:58.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:59.20 | dashavoo | haha, look up from my work and that is what I see |
| 15:59.25 | Khertan | seat start with the Seat Leon Fap |
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| 16:01.37 | Khertan | crashanddie: but something i notice recently is that high compression turbo is authorized in France now |
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| 16:48.51 | pupnik_ | yes dashavoo when i compare usability of screeen plus kbd, n900 is much better.. but e71 has twice thw battery life andd half the size |
| 16:49.40 | pupnik_ | just an amazing device for the money (used) |
| 16:49.48 | Lava_Croft | except its an e71 |
| 16:50.11 | pupnik_ | well im chatting with it now |
| 16:50.23 | Lava_Croft | great |
| 16:50.31 | pupnik_ | sure it limited |
| 16:50.38 | Lava_Croft | which is why its battery lasts so long |
| 16:50.52 | pupnik_ | yep |
| 16:50.55 | Lava_Croft | cant really compare the two at all |
| 16:51.09 | Lava_Croft | i think e71 is a whole lot cheaper too |
| 16:51.24 | Lava_Croft | but you are right, cheap nokia phones are value for money |
| 16:51.24 | pupnik_ | oh thats why i have both now |
| 16:51.33 | Lava_Croft | im not going to carry around two devices |
| 16:52.22 | nidO | bangs head against openstack |
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| 18:00.51 | alturiak | has anyone succeeded in installing firefox 4 on the n900? it keeps trying to download version 1.1 from the Ovi-Repository for me |
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| 18:06.32 | alturiak | aha, mozilla somehow screwed up the repository, it seems... well, manual install it is then |
| 18:07.30 | Proteous | heh |
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| 18:12.59 | Lava_Croft | alturiak: you mean firefox mobile? |
| 18:13.02 | Lava_Croft | or the real firefox 4 |
| 18:13.25 | alturiak | mobile |
| 18:13.31 | Lava_Croft | running latest beta here |
| 18:13.35 | alturiak | http://firefox.com/m <- that one |
| 18:13.35 | Lava_Croft | works fine, nightlies too |
| 18:13.45 | Lava_Croft | which version do you want |
| 18:13.47 | Lava_Croft | 1.1 is latest |
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| 18:14.15 | alturiak | well, the repository they have suggest they have 4.0beta5 available for maemo |
| 18:14.23 | Lava_Croft | eh |
| 18:14.31 | Lava_Croft | thats desktop firefox |
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| 18:14.35 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 18:14.47 | Lava_Croft | works fine here, using the link from the website you just linked |
| 18:14.51 | Lava_Croft | im using it too |
| 18:15.15 | alturiak | because it downloads 1.1 from Ovi rather than the one the repository should have but doesn't |
| 18:15.27 | Lava_Croft | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/1.9.2_en-US/1.9.2_en-US_nightly.install |
| 18:15.31 | Lava_Croft | thats the nightly |
| 18:15.35 | Lava_Croft | disable the ovi repo |
| 18:15.37 | Lava_Croft | in app manager |
| 18:15.40 | alturiak | http://moff.mozilla.com/latest-beta/maemo/multi/dists/fremantle/release/binary-armel/ |
| 18:15.42 | Lava_Croft | you dont need ovi for anything anyhow |
| 18:16.00 | alturiak | doesn't sound very desktop to me :) |
| 18:16.14 | Lava_Croft | i think you are using the wrong repo maybe |
| 18:16.27 | alturiak | well, it's the one linked on firefox.com/m |
| 18:16.36 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 18:16.40 | Lava_Croft | im using that one |
| 18:16.42 | alturiak | granted it's not working, but still... :) |
| 18:16.44 | Lava_Croft | via that website |
| 18:16.53 | SpeedEvil | Bug? Share a photo, and it doesn't prompt you to come out of offline mode? |
| 18:17.25 | alturiak | will try yours since my repo complete locks up my phone when starting firefox :) |
| 18:17.32 | Lava_Croft | that is a nightly build, alturiak |
| 18:17.43 | Lava_Croft | making a pic of my ff repo in ham atm |
| 18:17.44 | alturiak | but still, it's the one they link, so they probably should fix it *g* |
| 18:17.49 | Lava_Croft | just need slow ham to hurry up |
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| 18:19.58 | alturiak | disabling ovi doesn't help, btw. the repo I linked seems empty to maemo, so it just says it can't find any fennec package :) |
| 18:20.17 | Lava_Croft | odd |
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| 18:24.40 | yigal | hello |
| 18:24.58 | yigal | yay irssi reconnected me to freenode |
| 18:28.17 | pcfe | irssi on N900 rocks indeed. |
| 18:28.40 | merlin1991 | there should be an adapted quassel client for the n900, that would be awesome |
| 18:29.16 | Lava_Croft | irssi + screen + ssh |
| 18:30.28 | yigal | Lava_Croft: oh ya |
| 18:31.16 | yigal | merlin1991: hmm just googled quassel seems good |
| 18:31.25 | alturiak | gm.. for some reason, my n900 won't find a firefox in the nightly repo either... |
| 18:32.07 | Lava_Croft | alturiak: :O |
| 18:32.16 | Lava_Croft | alturiak: using HAM? |
| 18:32.24 | alturiak | apt-cache, HAM, fapman... |
| 18:32.27 | alturiak | neither works |
| 18:32.29 | Lava_Croft | bleh |
| 18:33.00 | RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/03/ink-truck-engtop.jpg |
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| 18:34.18 | alturiak | ah wait, apt-cache shows a 1.1~b2~20110305010704, sounds right to me |
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| 18:37.25 | yigal | has anyone here used usb host mode to connect to a printer and print? |
| 18:37.31 | lcuk | RST38h, :O |
| 18:37.37 | lcuk | are you reddy? |
| 18:37.43 | lcuk | and don't be blue: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/MetroPhotos03/11/ink_truck_crash_030911.jpg |
| 18:37.48 | lcuk | a high res version lol |
| 18:38.20 | yigal | that's a beautiful shot |
| 18:39.03 | lcuk | the driver was not injured! |
| 18:39.22 | yigal | someone's not getting their package though |
| 18:39.32 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:39.38 | lcuk | I wonder if they cleaned up by numbers |
| 18:39.48 | yigal | lol |
| 18:40.04 | yigal | glad the driver wasn't hurt though |
| 18:40.11 | lcuk | tfa: http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/peabody/2011/03/inky_crash_may_shut_down_ramp_1.html |
| 18:40.20 | lcuk | yeah yigal from the pictures it looks like it |
| 18:40.34 | naemo | trx: any news? |
| 18:40.39 | naemo | trx: I have an idea |
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| 18:42.09 | RST38h | lcuk: whole thing looks extremely gay =) |
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| 18:44.09 | lcuk | RST38h, perhaps |
| 18:44.21 | yigal | RST38h: the colors you mean? |
| 18:44.24 | lcuk | orwe now know Jackson Pollock became a truck driver. |
| 18:44.29 | yigal | lol |
| 18:44.34 | RST38h | yigal: yeah |
| 18:44.39 | lcuk | "Red, blue, and yellow ink cartridges were inside the truck, but Ferson said there is no evidence the yellow ink was released. " |
| 18:44.43 | lcuk | damn, no yellow ink |
| 18:44.50 | RST38h | a pity, yes |
| 18:44.55 | lcuk | they could have considered it a green cleanup operation |
| 18:45.12 | yigal | it would have just been green washed though |
| 18:45.15 | RST38h | red+blue gives you magenta, the color of insanity |
| 18:45.21 | yigal | not a real environmental job |
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| 18:45.40 | lcuk | its ok yigal the road was closed for so long until the tipex wagon arrived. |
| 18:46.06 | yigal | lol |
| 18:46.51 | alturiak | "E: Handler silently failed" *sighs* :) |
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| 18:47.22 | MohammadAG | apt-getting something from user/hidden does that |
| 18:47.53 | alturiak | I see |
| 18:49.31 | alturiak | there's a higher version in user/network, though... |
| 18:49.54 | MohammadAG | you can compile apt with --disable-hide or something (can't remember atm) |
| 18:50.11 | MohammadAG | wonders if he should put that on the CSSU |
| 18:50.55 | alturiak | meh... it also fails if I explicitly select the version from user/network to be installed |
| 18:51.37 | alturiak | I think this is the least convenient error message I've seen ;-) |
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| 18:52.25 | MohammadAG | alturiak, dpkg -i this http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb |
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| 18:57.11 | alturiak | MohammadAG: eek, it's working |
| 18:57.40 | alturiak | thanks |
| 18:58.07 | MohammadAG | yw :) |
| 18:59.16 | mece | }o |
| 18:59.18 | mece | wtf? |
| 18:59.25 | mece | \o Is what I mean |
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| 19:02.56 | alturiak | Lava_Croft: hm, that's still firefox 3.6.16, though... but unless mozilla comes up with a working version of 4.0, that's probably the best you can get right now :) |
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| 19:05.38 | alturiak | still a little annoying when they promote the mobile version of 4.0 on every download-page of the desktop 4.0 :) |
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| 19:06.11 | Lava_Croft | alturiak: that is firefox mobile |
| 19:06.21 | Lava_Croft | alturiak: there is also a Qt build somewhere in the repo |
| 19:06.22 | Lava_Croft | but its even worse |
| 19:06.29 | Lava_Croft | alturiak: you are not missing out on anything tho |
| 19:06.36 | Lava_Croft | ff mobile is a joke compared to good old microb |
| 19:07.08 | alturiak | well, I don't really care if it's called fennec or firefox, it says it's available for maemo and they provide a) a broken repository and b) a broken package :) |
| 19:07.16 | Lava_Croft | but its not broken |
| 19:07.18 | Lava_Croft | since it worked fine for me |
| 19:07.20 | Lava_Croft | via the website |
| 19:07.55 | alturiak | I tried to install the deb, it doesn't even load properly... but maybe that really is my fault somehow :) |
| 19:08.01 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 19:08.13 | Lava_Croft | both the beta and the nightlies work fine for me |
| 19:08.21 | Lava_Croft | via their respective .install files |
| 19:08.22 | alturiak | we're talking about the link "for Maemo - free - " on firefox.com/m, yes? |
| 19:08.30 | Lava_Croft | yes, there is only one firefox for maemo |
| 19:08.33 | Lava_Croft | at least official |
| 19:09.12 | alturiak | hm... well. no idea then. I like having firefox around for the sync |
| 19:09.29 | alturiak | and it's gotten a lot better compared to the first release :) |
| 19:09.35 | Lava_Croft | well, its a bit slow to load up at first and it doesnt do flash |
| 19:09.39 | Lava_Croft | that is for sure |
| 19:09.42 | Lava_Croft | at least its usable now |
| 19:09.47 | Lava_Croft | first releases were so bad |
| 19:09.47 | alturiak | yeah :) |
| 19:10.15 | alturiak | I use opera mini for almost everything, but when I need synced data, I switch to firefox |
| 19:10.17 | Lava_Croft | still dont think its a good thing they use the same codebase for desktop and mobile versions |
| 19:10.20 | Lava_Croft | its so big |
| 19:10.26 | Lava_Croft | i use microb exclusively |
| 19:10.52 | Lava_Croft | opera should update their maemo build |
| 19:10.53 | alturiak | I use microb for flash... only ;-) |
| 19:11.26 | alturiak | anyway, gotta go. thanks for your advice and insights :) |
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| 19:13.30 | Lava_Croft | goodnight |
| 19:14.31 | Lava_Croft | alturiak: by the way |
| 19:14.33 | Lava_Croft | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/trunk_en-US/ |
| 19:14.36 | Lava_Croft | thats the qt thing |
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| 19:33.01 | eichi | for the n900 hardware keyboard. do you write with fingernails or with the fingertip? I think, fingernail is more easy, but now i see, it demages the black colour on the keys |
| 19:33.44 | luke-jr | type* |
| 19:33.48 | FauxFaux | How long are your thumbnails? :s I have to get into a horribly uncomfortable position to even try thumbnails. |
| 19:34.09 | luke-jr | eichi: I type with my thumb-fronts |
| 19:34.22 | merlin1991 | I use the fingertip, but backspace return and fn keys have lost like 50% of the black colour already :) |
| 19:34.46 | luke-jr | why would you use tip or nail? |
| 19:35.15 | eichi | luke-jr what else? |
| 19:35.21 | luke-jr | front |
| 19:35.30 | eichi | luke-jr what is "thumb-fronts" ? |
| 19:35.32 | luke-jr | center of your fingerprint |
| 19:36.17 | eichi | yeah okay. somethimes i try this, but its not as easy to aim every key :P |
| 19:36.31 | eichi | with this, i make the most misstakes |
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| 19:41.11 | lolcat | I am going to take legal actions against the shop who sold me the N900! |
| 19:42.07 | eichi | lolcat: why? |
| 19:42.27 | rm_work | lolcat: lolwhy |
| 19:42.44 | lolcat | They gave me a Nokia 1208 to borrow while they fix the usb port on the N900. |
| 19:42.55 | rm_work | lol? |
| 19:43.01 | rm_work | and? |
| 19:43.10 | lolcat | It will take 4-5 months. But I will win! |
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| 19:43.19 | rm_work | is there a joke here i'm missing? :/ |
| 19:43.32 | lolcat | My problem is, will they still sell N900'eds in 5 months? |
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| 19:44.19 | rm_work | dunno |
| 19:44.20 | rm_work | maybe |
| 19:44.21 | tripz0 | another usb-port bites the dust |
| 19:45.18 | eichi | lolcat: what is "eds" ? |
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| 19:48.02 | yigal | has anyone tried or been succesful at printing as server to a usb connected printer? |
| 19:48.13 | yigal | anyone here, let me clarify |
| 19:48.18 | lolcat | N900, will it be in shops in 5 months? |
| 19:48.31 | yigal | on n900 |
| 19:48.34 | lolcat | Or will they have N950? Will they be usable? |
| 19:48.48 | yigal | n950 anyone's guess, right? |
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| 19:49.51 | lolcat | Probably |
| 19:50.07 | lolcat | This sucks... I have to win this case and get my money back |
| 19:50.24 | kerio | haha, you won't get your money back |
| 19:50.30 | kerio | i mean, from the store maybe |
| 19:50.39 | lolcat | I will |
| 19:50.40 | yigal | lolcat: you are representing yourself |
| 19:50.40 | kerio | but i suspect you're going to lose more to the layer |
| 19:50.42 | kerio | *lawyer |
| 19:50.51 | yigal | ? |
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| 19:51.14 | yigal | friend or pro bono? |
| 19:51.21 | lolcat | I have a legal rigth to have a phone with similar functions while they are repairing me. If they cause me a 'significant inconcinivence' I have a rigth for a refund. |
| 19:51.46 | yigal | I'm not saying that you don't in theory |
| 19:51.47 | kerio | similar functions = makes phone calls |
| 19:52.01 | yigal | but who will defend your case in court? |
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| 19:53.05 | lolcat | kerio: No, it is a previous case where a guy got a Nokia 1100 while they where fixing his N97. He won in the court for consumer cases (hard to translate). |
| 19:53.30 | yigal | lolcat: which country do you live in? |
| 19:53.33 | lolcat | yigal: It won't go to a real court, and it is a consumer organisation who will help me out with that. |
| 19:53.44 | yigal | lolcat: good to hear |
| 19:53.44 | lolcat | yigal: Norway, or consumer rigths are crazy. |
| 19:53.51 | yigal | lolcat: sorry to hear |
| 19:53.58 | lolcat | They are good |
| 19:54.03 | lolcat | But nobody follows them |
| 19:54.18 | lolcat | 5 years warranty by law on most electronics |
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| 19:57.56 | yigal | lolcat: that sounds very reasonable |
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| 20:00.41 | RST38h | Ah, another stock market crash |
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| 20:11.20 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: small claims court? |
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| 20:28.02 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: No, it is only for consumer cases |
| 20:28.36 | lolcat | They can judge like a court, but they are not. They can force the retailer to comply with their decicion |
| 20:29.26 | lolcat | But now, 9PM I got a text from someone in said shop, telling me I could get a bether phone to borrow. So now I have wrtitten down my five favorite functions of my phone and is going to demad to get it tomorrow. |
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| 20:33.47 | kpoman | hello ! |
| 20:34.24 | kpoman | do someone know how to use h323 and SIP with n900 ? |
| 20:35.09 | kpoman | there was ekiga in the past. is it available somewhere ? how to do videoconferencing with it ? |
| 20:35.14 | kpoman | help ! thanks :p |
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| 20:40.58 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: Ah |
| 20:41.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: I created a SIP account, and selected videocall-SIP from contacts |
| 20:42.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas I had no real video enabled peer to call |
| 20:44.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | the video codec actually used in SIP gets negotiated between the two clients during SDP, there's no real sense n defining it a priori as h.323 |
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| 20:48.37 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: It is a bit boring if they are nice now, I want to own them and rant about them in the press |
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| 20:50.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: of course SIP-videocalls are available only for true SIP "numbers" |
| 20:51.32 | kwtm | lolcat: Let's hear the Fave Five! (Tmobile USA uses that term to market the fact that you can set up 5 favourite phone numbers to call for free.) |
| 20:52.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | add something like SIP:56545689@provider.com to a contact and you can choose from SIP-chat SIP-call and SIP-videocall |
| 20:52.42 | kwtm | My Fave Five would include vim, bash, dbus ... I don't know which other two to pick. Ssh maybe.... |
| 20:53.29 | dangergrrl | actually they dropped my fave five |
| 20:53.54 | kwtm | dangergrrl: ?? Did they accidentally delete your Fave Five record, or do you mean they don't offer that Fave Five feature any more? |
| 20:54.05 | dangergrrl | they don't offer it anymore |
| 20:54.35 | dangergrrl | only under old contracts |
| 20:54.37 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: where do I find that application ? |
| 20:54.46 | lolcat | A internet browser, keyboard, wlan, option to install third party software, gps (not agps since it sucks in the forest), and a camera. |
| 20:54.51 | lolcat | It is quite modest |
| 20:54.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr which application? |
| 20:55.03 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I mean can I call an IP with SIP ? |
| 20:55.06 | lolcat | But with those, I can actually get some work done |
| 20:55.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, what now? |
| 20:55.36 | dangergrrl | i'm wanting to get voip working this month i get unlimited data :) |
| 20:55.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | as said above |
| 20:55.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | add something like SIP:56545689@provider.com to a contact and you can choose from SIP-chat SIP-call and SIP-videocall |
| 20:56.08 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I mean right now I am testing ekiga, both on linux and windows, putting sip:some.ip.add.ress ... is there an ekiga or something similar for n900 ? |
| 20:56.09 | kwtm | speaking of browser ... is there a text-mode browser for maemo? Like links2 or elinks or lynx or something? |
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| 20:56.33 | kwtm | dangergrrl: Is it practical? My wife uses Skype but sometimes the connection is iffy. |
| 20:56.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope, that's not a valid sip addr |
| 20:56.58 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: it works with IP too, it opens port 5060 and I am able to call that machine |
| 20:56.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | a valid sip addr is like I wrote 2 times now |
| 20:57.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | SIP:user@URL/IP |
| 20:57.28 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: at least on ekiga I am able to without users |
| 20:57.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | then ekiga is fsckdup |
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| 20:59.03 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: let me see ... |
| 20:59.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | SIP:IP is not a valid SIP addr. it's missing any user part |
| 20:59.27 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I am a bit noob, but what is the url ? |
| 20:59.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | no provider will parse such addr correctly |
| 20:59.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | the right side o @ |
| 20:59.58 | dangergrrl | lcuk: a bigger issue is that it doesn't move well |
| 21:00.13 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: are those online contactlists ? |
| 21:00.39 | lcuk | dangergrrl, which? |
| 21:00.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr? sorry I don't understand your questions |
| 21:00.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | you ever opened the contacts app on N900? |
| 21:01.10 | dangergrrl | voip |
| 21:01.14 | kpoman | yes I did, I have it right now opened :) |
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| 21:02.05 | dangergrrl | if i call someone while i'm home and leave the house i have to call back from tmobile's network |
| 21:02.55 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: is SIP:xxx the contact name or an additional field ? in that case, which field ? phone number ??? |
| 21:03.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | do you see the field with label "SIP"? |
| 21:03.19 | dangergrrl | that's practical for me i don't really need to be on the phone while i'm riding a motorcycle anyhow :) |
| 21:03.35 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: cool first time I see that field :p |
| 21:03.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | OMG |
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| 21:04.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | enter a *valid* SIP addr there and you can select videocalls |
| 21:04.54 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: where do I create a valid SIP address ? |
| 21:05.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 21:05.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | to the birthday field of course |
| 21:06.02 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: I mean I saw the account setup thing. those users are created on an online directory of users ? |
| 21:06.09 | kpoman | like it used to be on netmeeting etc.. ? |
| 21:06.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | the N900 isn't able to hande direct peer2peer SIP |
| 21:06.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | only via provider aka registrar |
| 21:07.15 | kpoman | it is related to gateway and firewall issues right ? |
| 21:07.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | for ekiga that's been the ekiga servers - dunno if they still work |
| 21:08.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, firewalls are a problem for Vo80 |
| 21:08.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | VoIP |
| 21:08.31 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: what is the most common directory of users ? or do I have to install a directory server somewhere ? |
| 21:08.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | check freeworlddialup.com |
| 21:09.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | or sipgate.co.uk or .de |
| 21:09.22 | kpoman | oh ok I see this page: http://www.onsip.com/onsip-articles/what-is-my-sip-address |
| 21:09.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | or google for sip provider and click the ads |
| 21:10.26 | lolcat | You are planing to implement dialup on the N900? |
| 21:10.47 | kpoman | see my company just bought a tandberg videoconference system, we were able to make videoconf directly by IP. I had to add some rules to the gateway firewall but it worked fine directly by IP. it seems to support h323 and sip which, I guess, are directory services or something similar |
| 21:11.09 | kpoman | rules for DNAT and port forwarding to the device itself |
| 21:12.52 | kpoman | ok ekiga servers seem to work |
| 21:13.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: you can still use this when you register the N900 with arbitrary provider, then dial SIP:foobar@yoursystemsIP |
| 21:15.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | the provider's server will connect N900 to the system |
| 21:15.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | the data flows directly N900 to system |
| 21:15.29 | kpoman | ok cool |
| 21:15.36 | kpoman | let me create an account then for my device |
| 21:16.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | the provider is called proxy in SIP for some reason |
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| 21:18.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | however not all providers allow inbound SIP connections, almost all are phone centric, so frequently user part of your sip addr is some phonenumber |
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| 21:19.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | outbound SIP (from N900 to another SIP addr) should usually work with most providers |
| 21:19.48 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: ok just created the account, let me test it :) |
| 21:20.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | most providers have a test number like 123 or 10000 or whatever, so you can check your config |
| 21:21.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | check your providers's FAQ |
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| 21:22.21 | lcuk | "Hello blah_isp how can I help you" |
| 21:22.30 | lcuk | "Hi, I'd like to look at your FAQ" |
| 21:22.39 | lcuk | "Excuse me sir, I am not fat" |
| 21:23.13 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: see, it is making the call, turning on the n900 camera, but when the other peer answers but the phone still thinks not answered |
| 21:23.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, SIP signalling issue |
| 21:24.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | might be a problem of the provider's proxy |
| 21:24.34 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: something to change in the advanced settings ? |
| 21:24.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably not |
| 21:25.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | test normal call first |
| 21:25.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | to provider's test number |
| 21:25.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | video calls are a bit special |
| 21:25.40 | kpoman | ok, let me see that |
| 21:26.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | providers are 'landline' centric. Landline doesn't know videocalls |
| 21:27.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | so support for SIP to SIP calls is not always optimal, ven more this applies to videocalls |
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| 21:30.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: what system you got at your office? Does it support SIP registrar via public IP? |
| 21:31.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess not if you run it via IP only, without usernames |
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| 21:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | aah, backscroll. I see - Tandberg |
| 21:33.57 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer51: it is a tandberg |
| 21:34.01 | kpoman | let me see the options |
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| 21:35.20 | trumee | kpoman: not sure if i have the same issue as you, but sometimes my sip call keeps ringing eventhough the receiver party has picked up the phone |
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| 21:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | WTF, tandberg requires me to register to watch their marketing blabla |
| 21:36.11 | kpoman | trumee: yes I am having exactly that issue right now |
| 21:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | also "tandberg is now cisco" :-P |
| 21:36.23 | kpoman | trumee: it keeps ringing however the phone already responded |
| 21:37.00 | kpoman | I have options for SIP SIP Nat traversal |
| 21:37.08 | kpoman | but I guess not linked to my problem |
| 21:37.23 | trumee | kpoman: yes, that happens to me. My call is usually N900<>asterisk (freepbx)<> remote Linksys spa3102 ATA |
| 21:39.07 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: do you know how to troubleshot this ? |
| 21:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | choose a proper provider. MAke sure you got no firewall/NAT in the way from N900 to internet - if there's a router/NAT, then open ports 5060-5063 and the RTP ports as defined in the provider settings |
| 21:40.57 | merlin1991 | yigal: I just found out there is a working quassel client for maemo http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Quassel2Go?content=136828 |
| 21:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | and disable any Application Layer Gateway in the router |
| 21:41.44 | trumee | is waiting for his openSuSe 11.4 download to finish |
| 21:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: where are you geographically? |
| 21:42.07 | kpoman | brazil |
| 21:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | oufff |
| 21:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea about any sip provider over there |
| 21:42.45 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I connect via 3g, could connect using the phone 3g from my pc with mobile hotspot |
| 21:42.54 | kpoman | it worked, so I guess the provider and firewall are ok for the phone |
| 21:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | well, a failed 200 OK SIP response inbound on call accept clearly indicates there are issues with NAT |
| 21:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | most likely with NAT |
| 21:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | very unlikely with your local setup of N900 |
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| 21:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | your 3G provider might even block SIP on purpose |
| 21:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's outbound when you make a call: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios123/rel_docs/sip-flo/comp2213.htm#1020468 |
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| 21:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | next ³ are the answers you should get |
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| 21:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | § even |
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| 21:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/reg/uk/index.php?set_country_location=BR|Brazil |
| 21:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | NB: Important: Customers who sign up with sipgate for geographic phone numbers in the UK, must reside within the UK. |
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| 21:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.voip-list.com/protocols/sip_1.html |
| 22:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | https://mdns.sipthor.net/register_sip_account.phtml |
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| 22:09.17 | kpoman | I dont understand why the cam turns off before starting communication |
| 22:09.50 | trumee | thinks it is useless to setup sip on N900 since most of the time it doesnt work |
| 22:10.11 | Arkenoi | uses sip about 3 times as much as gsm calls |
| 22:10.30 | kpoman | hehe |
| 22:10.33 | kpoman | http://www.voip-list.com/protocols/sip_1.html this one |
| 22:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: mine works lile a charm most of the time. Actually it failed not even with your account I tested. Not so deverely as you described it anyway |
| 22:13.04 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, i still use it daily but all the while doing hold/unhold of the call |
| 22:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, giving friggin swap time to spool out the IOs |
| 22:13.59 | trumee | and i am tired of complaining to Nokia about it. Hopefully Collabora and Nokia will do a better job with N950 |
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| 22:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt there'll be improvements that would help you |
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| 22:14.42 | kpoman_ | the god damned dlink wifi router is messing around |
| 22:14.44 | trumee | needs to map the camera button to hold/unhold the call. |
| 22:15.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, i raised it in meego-qa list, but it was ignored |
| 22:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | evidently your problem is related to your particular usage pattern or setup of registrar/proxy/gateway/NAT/router/blablub |
| 22:15.35 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, but i will keep hoping |
| 22:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | It probably got a CND |
| 22:16.42 | trumee | will test N950 first regarding sip behaviour before buying it |
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| 22:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh, test your next router with SIP before buying it |
| 22:17.31 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, i have already bought two routers! |
| 22:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | also test your SIP after installation of additional apps |
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| 22:17.55 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, tested that too, did a clean flash. |
| 22:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, then it's maybe your internet provider |
| 22:18.33 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, why does it work perfectly with my hardware ATA and desktop sip clients? |
| 22:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | some of then do nasty things for traffic shaping |
| 22:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | maybe because those set ToS for example |
| 22:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | maybe your WLAN is borked |
| 22:19.25 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, ekiga/twinkle ? |
| 22:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | the router |
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| 22:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | wtf |
| 22:20.28 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, laptop is also on the same wifi and twinkle works fine. did i mention i have tried two routers already |
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| 22:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: you're aware more than one sip client under same router *never* works quite nice, without massive config? |
| 22:21.33 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, anyways this discussion is futile. i have come to terms with shitty sip on N900 |
| 22:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | SIP on N900 is just fine |
| 22:21.58 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, my N95 work perfect |
| 22:22.18 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, did you see the bugs on bugzilla? |
| 22:22.35 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, and the tmo thread on it. |
| 22:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and - what can I say - as long as nobody can duplicate and you are not willing to exactly analyze the traffic to the point where it's getting clear what's happening... |
| 22:24.18 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, i have had long session with dev fro collabora. i have sent tcpdump logs to Nokia dev |
| 22:24.45 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, both have confirmed the problem. But they dont have a solution for it |
| 22:25.05 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, and i mean long sessionS. |
| 22:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | so what IS the problem then? And please don't answer "stuttering audio" |
| 22:25.52 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, collabora dev has taken tcpdumps from my system and he believes it is a issue with gstreamer rtpjitterbuffer |
| 22:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | if they confirm the problem then they must have a clear idea what it is, technically |
| 22:26.16 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, it seems the gstreamer code for it is very fragile |
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| 22:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 22:26.47 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, that is the problem. the solution is not very clear |
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| 22:27.32 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: you are able to do videoconf with which provider ? |
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| 22:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | the solution then is "fix jitterbuffer in gstreamer RTP plugin", a workaround is "use a line with less jitter" |
| 22:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: I am not able to do videocalls as I lack any videocall enabled peer to call |
| 22:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | think I told that before |
| 22:28.45 | trumee | kpoman, i have tried videocall between N900 and ekiga |
| 22:28.54 | kpoman | it is really strange .. |
| 22:29.01 | kpoman | trumee: could you get it working ? how ? |
| 22:29.09 | trumee | kpoman, but that is using my own asterisk server |
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| 22:29.19 | kpoman | oh ok not the ekiga servers ? |
| 22:29.24 | trumee | kpoman, no |
| 22:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | sipgate.de is forwarding my videocall, and when peer signals he can't do video, the video part vanishes and call becomes a normal audio call via SIP |
| 22:29.56 | kpoman | sipgate ... let me see if there is something to configure on the ekiga account |
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| 22:30.58 | bjv | hey |
| 22:31.16 | kpoman | the strange thing is I am able to do videocall from pc/ekiga to the sip device tandberg |
| 22:31.29 | bjv | i thought i could start browser on on 810 by running ssh user@192.168.0.46 "export DISPLAY=:0.0;tear file:///tmp/" |
| 22:31.33 | bjv | did not work, though |
| 22:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: so what's the registrar (= account) you are using on ekiga? |
| 22:32.09 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: kpoman@ekiga.net |
| 22:32.10 | bjv | the standard 'recover previous session' came up, but it had broken out of the GTK theme or something, just grey buttons |
| 22:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | and you can connect with ekiga softphone to that tandberg that way? |
| 22:32.45 | bjv | hit cancel, browser never opened. just "*** glibc detected *** tear: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x40ab72c8 *** Aborted" |
| 22:33.19 | kpoman | yep, with video |
| 22:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | so you should use exactly same procedure on N900 |
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| 22:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | same account data, same callee addr |
| 22:35.58 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: could it be because of the codecs ? |
| 22:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | could |
| 22:36.19 | kpoman | which codec should be supported by n900 ? h261 ? |
| 22:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | the tandberg and the N900 should have logs somewhere |
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| 22:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess yes |
| 22:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | you can easily tell by snooping the SIP data with wireshark, esp the SDP messages in SIP protocol |
| 22:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | in SDP both clients offer their set of supported codecs plus preference, and agree on the best one |
| 22:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | simply put |
| 22:38.42 | kpoman | ok now it is a bit better, |
| 22:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | it's all plaintext |
| 22:39.06 | kpoman | now I do receive, on the n900 a bit of video from the peer, then the communication shuts down :s |
| 22:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 22:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's clearly some transmission thing then |
| 22:39.35 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: i checked all the codecs on the pc / ekiga |
| 22:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | or some weird bug in the codecs |
| 22:39.59 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: i dont see n900 cam on the pc, but do see some images from the pc on the n900 ... then it shuts down ... |
| 22:40.11 | kpoman | let me deselect codecs one by one |
| 22:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | alas I have no idea where and how to configure/check the codec priority and supported/enabled codecs on N900 telepathy stack |
| 22:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: if you can get some call-details from ekiga (I never used it, I am a twinkle man), then you can easily tell which codec been used in that last semi working call |
| 22:42.11 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I could see myself on the pc, then it shutdowns |
| 22:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | that's the nice thing about twinkle, you can configure absolutely everything. Alas it comes without video support |
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| 22:43.29 | kpoman | lol |
| 22:44.32 | kpoman | maybe the ISP is blocking somehow |
| 22:44.33 | kpoman | :s |
| 22:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-10 22:45:11] <DocScrutinizer> your 3G provider might even block SIP on purpose |
| 22:46.18 | kpoman | yep |
| 22:46.23 | kpoman | maybe, I will have to try at home |
| 22:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, in-session codec-switching to adapt for a bandwidth getting lower is one of the most complicated and poorly supported things of VoIP |
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| 22:47.58 | kpoman | the strange thing is n900 not supporting h261 which is the older most common codec |
| 22:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess unless you got a god 3.5G signal *with HSUPA* you mustn't expect videocalls over GSM to work |
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| 22:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | it doesn't? how did you find out? |
| 22:49.01 | kpoman | it kinda worked from 2 pc's connected with 3g modems |
| 22:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 22:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | connect N900 to same 3G modem then? |
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| 22:49.45 | crashanddie_ | wow |
| 22:49.51 | crashanddie_ | 8.9MB/s over wifi |
| 22:50.02 | cehteh | huh? |
| 22:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | enough for proper video :-D |
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| 22:50.27 | cehteh | more than my wlan :P |
| 22:50.30 | crashanddie_ | wifi N, that is. |
| 22:50.39 | kpoman | hhe |
| 22:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | not on N900 |
| 22:50.43 | crashanddie_ | nope |
| 22:50.44 | cehteh | ah |
| 22:50.53 | crashanddie_ | computer -> router |
| 22:50.59 | cehteh | the mmc card wioll be the bottleneck then :P |
| 22:53.07 | crashanddie_ | the router, provided by my ISP |
| 22:53.12 | crashanddie_ | actually has a torrent client in it... |
| 22:53.48 | crashanddie_ | I know routers with torrent clients aren't such a big deal, they're usually not provided by ISPs, is all. |
| 22:53.59 | crashanddie_ | And the remote control has a firmware... |
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| 22:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 22:55.09 | crashanddie_ | yeah... |
| 22:55.26 | kpoman | cool it worked now !!! with codec h263 |
| 22:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | see?! :-D |
| 22:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | probably you are standing next to a window now, so your 3G signal is better |
| 22:56.17 | javispedro | my ISP just offered me a $10/month rebate if I give up my IP... |
| 22:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 22:56.35 | kpoman | nice, it doesnt hang up anymore |
| 22:56.52 | ds3 | javispedro: what is special about your IP? |
| 22:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | so IPs are 10$ / 1 now |
| 22:56.58 | javispedro | nothing |
| 22:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 22:57.10 | crashanddie_ | it's IPv4 |
| 22:57.15 | crashanddie_ | which means it's ancient |
| 22:57.20 | crashanddie_ | and precious |
| 22:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | it's rare |
| 22:57.28 | ds3 | thought maybe you are the last available IP on a block or something like that |
| 22:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | collector's item |
| 22:57.32 | kpoman | ok so basically, had issues with the wifi router (dlink dir300 firmware 1.05), and also codec needs to be h263, and it is extremly awful, but it works |
| 22:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | now you can optimize |
| 22:58.09 | kpoman | yes, I will try other codecs now |
| 22:58.28 | javispedro | I guess the latest "ipv4s have now really ran out" slashdot warning was true... |
| 22:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | use wireshark, trace the SIP traffic |
| 22:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | analyze the SDP |
| 22:58.40 | crashanddie_ | SDP? |
| 22:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | you'll see what codecs are offered |
| 22:58.55 | kpoman | the phone announces it knows http://pastebin.com/xvFpGS98 |
| 22:59.11 | kpoman | I did a wireshark on my pc to see announcements |
| 22:59.14 | kpoman | then I saw those |
| 22:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios123/rel_docs/sip-flo/comp2213.htm#1021087 |
| 23:00.16 | kpoman | ok, with h264 the connexion is dropped |
| 23:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC the codecs are in m or a records |
| 23:00.45 | kpoman | now trying theora |
| 23:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | should work better |
| 23:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | if supported by N900 |
| 23:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | of course that's a notion I'm pulling outa my a.... as I never used either |
| 23:02.38 | kpoman | ok, with theora video is disabled but connexion not dropped |
| 23:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
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| 23:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | video disabled means one end doesn't support it |
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| 23:03.37 | kpoman | h261 also video disabled |
| 23:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | N900 though might support video codecs that are unsupported or crappy on ekiga softphone |
| 23:04.47 | tripz0 | isn't it funny that android 3 now has gtalk video calling and the n900 had it last year? |
| 23:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | but work nice with tandberg |
| 23:05.24 | crashanddie_ | haha |
| 23:05.30 | crashanddie_ | there's a frigging gaming console in the tv module |
| 23:05.37 | kpoman | h263 1998: very strange, the led starts blinking and no video, however not disabled nor connexion dropped |
| 23:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | I.E ekiga&tandberg->nice doesn't mean ekiga&N900->crap is N900's fault |
| 23:06.40 | kpoman | hehehe I know, maybe I need to install more codecs on the phone. let me check this with apt-get |
| 23:06.43 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer & javispedro: games available on the tv module of my router: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEA6rZ4oXsQ |
| 23:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | I think I've seen that |
| 23:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | silly games |
| 23:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | that's the router with accelerometer, no? |
| 23:07.28 | crashanddie_ | yeah |
| 23:07.39 | javispedro | Asphalt 5 HD for iPad? |
| 23:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I seem to remember some games shown in a youtube |
| 23:08.04 | crashanddie_ | javispedro: well, not only for iPad apparently :) But yeah, it's the same game |
| 23:08.06 | javispedro | ah, flash crashed, then youtube decided the video was done and skipped to the next one. |
| 23:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 23:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | good recovery strategy |
| 23:08.36 | javispedro | see, the entire firefox plugin separation thing is all benefits for the end user! flash crashes and you never notice it! |
| 23:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | well, iPhone does same thing for whole apps :-P |
| 23:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | I've been told |
| 23:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | basically every app running "under DSME" |
| 23:11.49 | javispedro | that's also windows > xp strategy |
| 23:12.12 | javispedro | "oh, I've never seen my vista blue screen. however, my power supply must be flacky because it reboots every so often." yeah. |
| 23:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | freenode is incredible. users from the Americas are logged in via servers in Frankfurt or in Vilnius, while german users are routed via USA |
| 23:13.18 | javispedro | crashanddie_: so even a router manufacturer can get legally licensed games while Nokia can't. |
| 23:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 23:13.35 | javispedro | (for Maemo that is) |
| 23:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | cackles |
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| 23:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | maemo is targeted at windows users - those are supposed to lift their games |
| 23:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | hides |
| 23:15.01 | javispedro | *evil* |
| 23:16.24 | crashanddie_ | anyway |
| 23:16.26 | crashanddie_ | night people |
| 23:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 23:16.32 | crashanddie_ | oh, and btw |
| 23:16.38 | crashanddie_ | just for fun: my blackberry crashed tonight |
| 23:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | time for breakfast |
| 23:16.51 | crashanddie_ | It was sitting there, on my desk, I'm watching a movie |
| 23:16.57 | crashanddie_ | screen lights up, I expect a call |
| 23:17.08 | tripz0 | KABOOOM |
| 23:17.11 | crashanddie_ | instead, white screen, and in tiny characters: "JVM error 545" or something |
| 23:17.13 | tripz0 | like that? |
| 23:17.22 | tripz0 | lol |
| 23:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | meh, my diablo on N810 does that all the time |
| 23:17.34 | javispedro | yeah, flugly bme |
| 23:17.45 | tripz0 | dance with the devil, what do you expect? |
| 23:17.58 | crashanddie_ | never had issues with my blackberries in the past |
| 23:18.04 | crashanddie_ | I'll just get it replaced tomorrow or something |
| 23:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | I'm honestly tempted to set R&D |
| 23:18.14 | tripz0 | i feel sorry for you that you have a blackberry |
| 23:18.26 | tripz0 | it's worse than symbian |
| 23:18.31 | crashanddie_ | don't be condescending, little one, that's my role |
| 23:18.37 | tripz0 | lol |
| 23:18.48 | tripz0 | i'm being empathetic ;) |
| 23:18.55 | crashanddie_ | Blackberry for business is awesome |
| 23:19.04 | crashanddie_ | better than Maemo/iOS/Symbian/WP7 |
| 23:19.13 | tripz0 | because? |
| 23:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | on OpenMoko all the engineers got blackberries so they can be reached X-P |
| 23:19.13 | crashanddie_ | Android, I knew I missed one |
| 23:19.20 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: haha |
| 23:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: indeed |
| 23:20.04 | tripz0 | not because i doubt, I just never understood why blackberries where good for anything |
| 23:20.07 | crashanddie_ | tripz0: one week uptime? Integrated mail that can be managed by *real* servers? Remote wipe? Data encryption? Password protection? Integration with all calendar systems out there? |
| 23:20.26 | javispedro | *propietary* calendar systems. |
| 23:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | just one bit that's een more funny, we managed our internal documents via google-docs or what's that crap called |
| 23:20.37 | tripz0 | to all those questions I answer, meh |
| 23:20.49 | crashanddie_ | the keyboard is fantastic, (I'm talking about the full qwerty keyboards here, not the half-assed 12 button keyboards) |
| 23:21.03 | crashanddie_ | tripz0: can I assume you've never worked in a corporate environment? |
| 23:21.11 | tripz0 | the last thing i want is for IT to touch my phone |
| 23:21.16 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: any phone that's fully compatible with active sync can do that |
| 23:21.23 | tripz0 | crashanddie, you would assume wrong ;) |
| 23:21.50 | jacekowski | i had my encounter with blackberry storm |
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| 23:21.54 | jacekowski | and it was a disaster |
| 23:21.54 | crashanddie_ | ouch |
| 23:22.01 | crashanddie_ | yeah, that was the shittiest phone ever |
| 23:22.04 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: do you know which package could contain codecs ? I read that h264 should be supported on n900 ... |
| 23:22.06 | jacekowski | phone crashed |
| 23:22.07 | jacekowski | hanged |
| 23:22.12 | jacekowski | done all kinds of stuff |
| 23:22.16 | crashanddie_ | I loved how the accelerometer worked |
| 23:22.18 | jacekowski | except making fone calls |
| 23:22.21 | jacekowski | phone* |
| 23:22.24 | crashanddie_ | you'd flip from horizontal to vertical |
| 23:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: sorry |
| 23:22.26 | jacekowski | and no wifi |
| 23:22.33 | crashanddie_ | it would take about 30 or 40 seconds to notice |
| 23:22.55 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: this one seems good: http://maemo.org/packages/view/omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti/ |
| 23:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: it not only needs codec but also the telepathy and probably gstreamer plugin |
| 23:23.03 | jacekowski | kpoman: there is a lot of different h264 profiles |
| 23:23.05 | crashanddie_ | it wouldn't manage switching from 3g to 2g properly, so you'd get lost calls continuously |
| 23:23.11 | jacekowski | kpoman: and only one is supported |
| 23:23.16 | kpoman | oops, all are already installed |
| 23:23.32 | kpoman | jacekowski: yep I saw the most basic one .. |
| 23:23.43 | tripz0 | i have a laptop that IT gave me with windows XP on it. it was supposed to be like super secure and crap. Then mcafee identified a core system file as a virus and removed it along with my ability to boot |
| 23:23.59 | tripz0 | then i put ubuntu on it |
| 23:24.02 | jacekowski | tripz0: well, that was well known mcafee fail |
| 23:24.08 | kpoman | do you know which streaming framework is used on the SIP client ? Videolan ? ffmpeg ? gstreamer ? |
| 23:24.17 | jacekowski | tripz0: avg did similiar shit couple weeks ago |
| 23:24.23 | tripz0 | lol |
| 23:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | kpoman: I'd bet gstreamer |
| 23:24.46 | crashanddie_ | My work laptop, a dell whatever, the network card crashes continously |
| 23:24.55 | crashanddie_ | the ethernet card, that is |
| 23:25.01 | tripz0 | so why would I expose my phone to the same awesome IT security? |
| 23:25.09 | crashanddie_ | on windows, blue screen of death |
| 23:25.21 | crashanddie_ | On Ubuntu, network dies, reload module, and you're good to go |
| 23:25.31 | crashanddie_ | tripz0: because they pay for my bill? |
| 23:25.31 | tripz0 | yup |
| 23:25.54 | tripz0 | they can keep their 50 bucks and stay out of my life/work |
| 23:25.56 | tripz0 | :P |
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| 23:26.03 | lcuk | crashanddie_, did you file a bug? |
| 23:26.11 | tripz0 | get more work done without them |
| 23:26.11 | crashanddie_ | tripz0: I get free phone, free data usage, free sms? I'd be racking 2 or 3 hundred euros a month |
| 23:26.26 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: to whom? Intel? |
| 23:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: same problem here, though I always thought that's the card driver and not the hw |
| 23:26.43 | lcuk | crashanddie_, or Microsoft or whoever |
| 23:26.48 | jacekowski | dell sucks |
| 23:26.52 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: I sent the report |
| 23:26.59 | tripz0 | crashanddie_, point there. 200EU is a bit expensive |
| 23:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | Siemens esprimo :-P |
| 23:27.07 | lcuk | #awesome |
| 23:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | that one sucks for sure |
| 23:27.10 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I was pretty sure it was the driver, until I noticed that over the weekend the network would die |
| 23:27.21 | crashanddie_ | (on Ubuntu) |
| 23:27.33 | tripz0 | but seriously... unlimited sms/data shouldn't be that much |
| 23:27.42 | tripz0 | voice can send you into triple digits though |
| 23:27.44 | crashanddie_ | tripz0: I call international and roam a lot. |
| 23:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | mine dies when router gets that annoying forced disconnect on ADSL |
| 23:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | only sometimes, probably when a pkg is truncated |
| 23:28.09 | lcuk | tripz0, have you ever been in charge of a corporate network? |
| 23:28.17 | lcuk | ie, ever had to manage bandwidth |
| 23:28.17 | crashanddie_ | obviously not |
| 23:28.24 | tripz0 | lcuk, only a corporation of one |
| 23:28.28 | crashanddie_ | hah, you still get the 24h DSL disconnect? |
| 23:28.32 | crashanddie_ | I thought that was a memory of the past |
| 23:28.37 | lcuk | tripz0, hence you thinking unlimited bandwidth |
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| 23:28.48 | tripz0 | lcuk, i mean cellular data costs |
| 23:28.55 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: I've got unlimited data |
| 23:29.10 | tripz0 | you can get 'unlimited' data for like $30/mo |
| 23:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | plus postfix drives me crazy since months (years?) |
| 23:29.50 | crashanddie_ | It's this "professional" plan, whatever that means, but basically, I don't get cut off after 2 gigs or whatever, it just keeps on going |
| 23:30.05 | lcuk | crashanddie_, and you pay proportionatly more |
| 23:30.11 | lcuk | +typofix |
| 23:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | etc/postfix/relay.db missing file |
| 23:30.17 | tripz0 | i know very well bandwidth is limited. I see that every night when I have that slight latency issue while playing call of duty that gets me killed |
| 23:30.18 | crashanddie_ | As my team is all over the place, they were happy to provide me with that plan after the first two or three months I racked bills of nearly a grand |
| 23:30.34 | tripz0 | ouch |
| 23:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | each minute |
| 23:30.52 | crashanddie_ | My biggest bill? 1800 quid in a week. |
| 23:31.24 | crashanddie_ | That was calling a premium support line in the US, from the Ukraine, using a UK-based cell phone. |
| 23:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: (24h) not here in Germany |
| 23:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | t-com :-( |
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| 23:32.02 | crashanddie_ | Irony in that story? The customer in the Ukraine is on the biggest mobile phone companies in Russia/Ukraine. |
| 23:32.16 | crashanddie_ | And they couldn't provide us with a bloody phone line :P |
| 23:33.12 | crashanddie_ | Also, I do have to test premium rate phone services, it's kinda in my job description, so yeah, I do rack up high bills regularly |
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| 23:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: sounds like sheer fun |
| 23:35.04 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: you get paid to call all sex lines and stuff? |
| 23:35.11 | jacekowski | i like your job |
| 23:35.14 | DocScrutinizer | s/sheer/mere/. |
| 23:35.15 | tripz0 | luls |
| 23:35.23 | crashanddie_ | we only have a couple sex lines in our client list |
| 23:35.29 | crashanddie_ | so never had to call them |
| 23:37.27 | nidO | curses cyberduck |
| 23:37.56 | Proteous | quacks at cyberduck |
| 23:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | tztztz, my friend fixed that DNS server at 23:30 in the night |
| 23:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | weird stuff, my ZNC on a box in that domain broke down, well maybe due to failing rdns |
| 23:40.18 | bjv | does vgba have a keybinding for freeze/restore state? or just the menu items |
| 23:40.25 | kpoman | ok now h264 works too ! |
| 23:40.32 | kpoman | it is unstable but it works now, |
| 23:41.29 | kpoman | I dont know which of the steps solved the problem: overclocked n900 to 1ghz, installed apt-get install libosip2-4, and lowered to 128kbps |
| 23:42.15 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: do you know where the call logs what happens ? or if there is a way to enable verbosing ? |
| 23:42.16 | Corsac | hmhm, something I didn't try in a while is jabber video call with desktop clients like empathy |
| 23:43.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: sorry, I'm missing any decent docs about telepathy |
| 23:43.30 | kpoman | ok |
| 23:43.32 | kpoman | no problem |
| 23:43.50 | kpoman | the image is very good with h264 however a big big lag |
| 23:44.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | where did you lower to 128? |
| 23:44.40 | kpoman | in the ekiga client on the pc |
| 23:44.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah |
| 23:44.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's most likely it |
| 23:46.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: I honestly suggest to stop OCing if possible |
| 23:46.51 | kpoman | why ? |
| 23:47.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | your usecase is the most valid one for OC I heard so far, but nevertheless 1GHz will do no good to CPU |
| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | the gates erode |
| 23:48.01 | kpoman | yep sure but is ondemand |
| 23:48.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | (see wiki:electromigration) |
| 23:49.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: but I guess on video calls it will demand max clock freq no matter if needed or not |
| 23:49.24 | kpoman | yes sure |
| 23:49.30 | kpoman | I am right now monitoring with conky |
| 23:49.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | and 1000MHz is really high |
| 23:49.53 | kpoman | yes |
| 23:50.06 | kpoman | it is really stable though |
| 23:50.17 | kpoman | put that 3 days ago, no problems at all |
| 23:50.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | see if you get away with 800 or even default |
| 23:50.34 | kpoman | sure but the UI is less responsive |
| 23:50.40 | kpoman | and has lot of lags everywhere |
| 23:50.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | EM wear is a slow nonfreversible process |
| 23:51.15 | kpoman | ok time to go home :) i will keep testing there ! will reconnect in some minutes (it is almost 9PM here in brasilia) |
| 23:51.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | a bit later here |
| 23:52.21 | kpoman | c ya ! thanks for the tips |
| 23:52.23 | kpoman | brb |
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