| 00:01.38 | pupnik | wow, 1994 says hello with a .gif product banner http://blackberry.phonearena.com/ |
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| 00:20.46 | pupnik | lardman|gone: Tame Impala (youtube it) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tame_Impala |
| 00:21.49 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphonic_spree |
| 00:25.41 | pupnik | same style? |
| 00:26.04 | pupnik | Impala - really great psychedelic retro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ3LvVHYMM8 |
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| 02:32.07 | lolcat | Dammit |
| 02:32.14 | lolcat | I think the cargerport is breaking |
| 02:35.10 | lcuk | and your h key. |
| 02:36.01 | lolcat | Yeah, I cleaned the keyboard, after I was done I had two less keys xD |
| 02:36.49 | lcuk | lolcat, i have found certain usb cables themselves get bent out of shape |
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| 02:43.59 | lolcat | I have tried two diffrent usb chargers and the wall charger |
| 02:44.13 | lolcat | I have another usb cable in my car but I guess that won't help |
| 02:44.32 | lolcat | Should the ligth be constant yellow while charging? |
| 02:45.45 | pupnik | i would buy a USB cable with a shorter lead |
| 02:45.45 | lcuk | i think it is constant when totally flat and off? and pulsing normally |
| 02:45.53 | lolcat | I guess I have to return it :/ |
| 02:46.18 | lolcat | Probably the easiest course of action |
| 02:46.36 | lolcat | "It won't charge, fix it" -"uhm, ok" |
| 02:46.48 | lolcat | Wait a week and they have done something/ give me my moneys back |
| 02:47.38 | lolcat | But then I will be stuck with some shit phone for a week |
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| 03:06.40 | kpoman | hello ! uys can someone help me please ? I was doing an apt-get update + upgrade on debian chroot and the phone turned off and now it seems a bit screwed up |
| 03:06.53 | kpoman | so what is the script to chroot from a terminal ? |
| 03:09.49 | kpoman | debian I guess |
| 03:19.32 | kpoman | do someone know if I can enlarge the file ? I guess I got out of space ... "-rw-r--r-- 1 user root 2147483648 Nov 29 03:55 /home/user/MyDocs/debian-m5-v3e.img.ext2" |
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| 03:45.33 | pupnik | woo putty + ssh + screen on e71 :D |
| 03:46.14 | lolcat | Could the battery be dead? |
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| 04:47.46 | Termana | good morning |
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| 04:48.47 | MohammadAG | morning Termana |
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| 06:09.42 | pupnik | What did the Dalai Lama, say to the hot-dog man? "Make me one, with everything" |
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| 06:33.03 | ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Enterproid-for-Android/ <-- interesting solution I wonder if it could be done on the N900 using chroots/pivot_root |
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| 06:57.29 | AsiQue | morning all... does someone here used the resize icon / widgets hildon home and can remember if when setting a small size for bookmarks the text disappeared? |
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| 07:02.22 | pupnik | ruskie: i don't see a clean way to do that aside from a dual-boot with one OS using encrypted storage |
| 07:02.42 | pupnik | total rat's nest of permissions |
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| 07:03.32 | ruskie | pupnik, or some fuse FS that redirects certain calls to an alt store? |
| 07:03.52 | ruskie | or some preload library that does the same |
| 07:04.22 | pupnik | how is that going to give you one browser / call history / document set for business encrypted, while private is somewhere else |
| 07:04.38 | ruskie | the alt store can be encrypted |
| 07:05.33 | ruskie | there could even be multiple alt stores |
| 07:05.37 | pupnik | not possible to meet corporate security |
| 07:05.45 | ruskie | afk... |
| 07:06.10 | pupnik | "out to lunch"~ |
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| 08:27.57 | pupnik | Norman: We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you? |
| 08:27.58 | pupnik | Marion: Yes. Sometimes just one time can be enough. |
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| 09:01.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | why are my queenbeecon buttons gone after SSU upgradem to PR1.3 and installation of CSSU? |
| 09:02.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | or got they killed by theme switching? |
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| 09:13.01 | dashavoo | Bah =( |
| 09:13.22 | dashavoo | A book fell on my N900 last night, smashing the screen |
| 09:13.52 | ruskie | :( |
| 09:14.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | oh shiiit |
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| 09:16.03 | dashavoo | I'm guessing the Warranty won't cover it |
| 09:16.35 | dashavoo | damn, I've been speaking too much German... I've started capitalising all my nouns =S *warranty |
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| 09:18.39 | alterego | RST38h: ping |
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| 09:25.54 | khertan | ... last meego image is still far to be ready for application dev |
| 09:26.00 | khertan | (on n900) |
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| 09:27.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | dashavoo: what's broken? LCD only? or also the touchpanel, even the mech parts? |
| 09:31.02 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer51: LCD. It still responds to touch. At the moment 3/4 of the screen is still visible, but it is gradually becoming less so. |
| 09:31.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | LCD swap is <100EUR |
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| 09:32.45 | dashavoo | that isn't so bad (compared to the original cost, anyway ;)) |
| 09:33.17 | dashavoo | Sometimes I can't believe how much I spent on this phone... no wonder I struggled so much with money that year. |
| 09:33.34 | ruskie | hehe |
| 09:33.38 | ruskie | I saved up for it here |
| 09:34.47 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.05 | pupnik | it's close to perfect |
| 09:36.26 | ruskie | hehe |
| 09:36.26 | dashavoo | pupnik: Maemo runs on E71? |
| 09:36.43 | pupnik | no i'm using the e71 to ssh in to my music player |
| 09:37.08 | dashavoo | aaah, that makes more sense :) |
| 09:37.11 | dashavoo | shame though :P |
| 09:37.30 | pupnik | e71 has the great battery life, so having a ncurses media player on my PC is nice |
| 09:38.09 | dashavoo | pupnik: was that supposed to be a taunt? ;) |
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| 09:38.19 | pupnik | ? |
| 09:38.26 | dashavoo | < pupnik> e71 has the great battery life |
| 09:38.30 | pupnik | it has a small screen and a big battery |
| 09:38.34 | pupnik | and a slow cpu |
| 09:39.18 | pupnik | it's a good phone. but it's no n900 |
| 09:39.36 | pupnik | actually a great phone |
| 09:39.50 | khertan | but a phone :) |
| 09:39.54 | pupnik | yep |
| 09:39.56 | khertan | Morning all ! |
| 09:39.56 | dashavoo | pupnik: it does sound like it makes a great remote control for your media though... that is something I could do with when I get my screen sorted |
| 09:40.05 | dashavoo | morning khertan |
| 09:40.49 | dashavoo | =S I just turned around, and noticed everyone in the office has vanished |
| 09:40.53 | dashavoo | I wish this would stop happening to me! |
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| 09:50.54 | achipa | X-Fade: is it just me or is http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ hanging ? |
| 09:53.01 | pupnik | dashavoo: it's bad when there's a fire alarm and you completely miss it because you're sleeping |
| 09:53.18 | pupnik | and you walk out and the whole building is watching and the firemen are all mad at you |
| 09:53.21 | pupnik | that happened to me twice |
| 09:53.39 | dashavoo | pupnik: haha, brilliant |
| 09:54.07 | pupnik | :) |
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| 09:55.51 | alterego | Cool, and that maintains history? |
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| 09:56.01 | dashavoo | pupnik: In my first year at university, a fire alarm went off in the night, and I was so disorientated that I couldn't find my clothes (right there on the floor next to my bed) |
| 09:56.10 | dashavoo | I went outside in nothing but a duvet wrapped around me |
| 09:56.17 | pupnik | :) |
| 09:56.23 | achipa | pupnik: I did have my neighbor come over wake me to be able to tell to turn the bloody alarm clock off... does that count ? |
| 09:56.36 | pupnik | nice stories |
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| 10:03.45 | khertan | it s funny to use a n810 with maemo 4 after testing meego on a n900 |
| 10:03.54 | khertan | it s give the feeling of power |
| 10:03.55 | khertan | :) |
| 10:04.08 | khertan | speed ... and stability |
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| 10:16.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh |
| 10:16.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | khertan: let's open a club of diablo fans |
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| 10:20.25 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, :) and larger screen :) |
| 10:20.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway your staement above is well in line with my rant a few days ago that's been like "I prefer stable maemo with some closed blobs over a inmature meego with lots of missing bits every day. And I even prefer m4 UX over m5, for some bits of HD" |
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| 10:20.56 | khertan | it s more a hw preference for me |
| 10:21.04 | khertan | two phisical touch |
| 10:21.08 | khertan | plus larger screen |
| 10:21.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 10:21.36 | khertan | hum ... qt4 is old release |
| 10:21.38 | khertan | :( |
| 10:21.45 | khertan | no pyside recent release |
| 10:22.22 | lardman | hey khertan do you know of any working Qt Python graphing libs? |
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| 10:23.30 | septiq | Hi is there any DAAP clients on n900 ? |
| 10:23.49 | khertan | lardman, graphing ? ... like matplot ? |
| 10:24.05 | khertan | lardman, http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 10:25.00 | khertan | lardman, http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/gallery.html |
| 10:25.01 | lardman | does that now run on the N900? |
| 10:25.10 | khertan | lardman, ah ... didn't know :) |
| 10:25.13 | khertan | let me check |
| 10:25.27 | lardman | I did start porting matplot lib iirc, but moved onto other things |
| 10:25.51 | lardman | don't worry, I can do the looking, just wondered if you knew of anything off hand |
| 10:25.53 | khertan | c est meme dans les depots |
| 10:25.55 | khertan | oups ... |
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| 10:26.00 | khertan | it s in the repository |
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| 10:26.48 | lardman | bien, merci beaucoup |
| 10:26.54 | khertan | :) |
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| 10:29.51 | khertan | and it can be installed via easy_install from pypi if gcc is installed on device |
| 10:29.52 | khertan | :) |
| 10:30.51 | lardman | hmm, does it require gcc? |
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| 10:37.51 | dashavoo | Right, N900 flashed to fresh (ready for repairs) |
| 10:38.37 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer51: is flashing supposed to reset the lock_code? Because mine _still_ seems uncrackable, and it isn't 12345 after flashing ;) |
| 10:38.52 | robbiethe1st | Nope, it's not |
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| 10:39.02 | dashavoo | robbiethe1st: ah, fair enough |
| 10:40.16 | robbiethe1st | If you can get root, though, you should be able to reset it with the appropriate script/program |
| 10:40.27 | robbiethe1st | Google for those instructions, though |
| 10:40.59 | dashavoo | robbiethe1st: yeah, I was told yesterday about the code_reset program, I was going to try it last night until I broke my screen |
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| 10:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | dashavoo: no, flashing definitely does NOT reset lock code |
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| 11:01.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | still wonders what's the process that checks (and queries) lock code. And where it gets invoked |
| 11:01.55 | ruskie | could just be hildon-home or desktop or whatever it is? |
| 11:02.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably something much earlier in boot process |
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| 11:04.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway writing a completely new image to mtd1 would reset lock code but also mess up a lot of device specific settings and calibrations |
| 11:04.25 | ruskie | actually someone already posted on tmo how to reset the code |
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| 11:04.38 | ruskie | it's in a very specific location |
| 11:04.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | for example ALS calib is in mtd1, for whatever weird reason |
| 11:04.52 | smhar | greetings, |
| 11:05.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: uhuh, how to reset? pointer? |
| 11:05.37 | smhar | I am trying to install pyqt demo but I got errors that it can not be installed because some packages are missing or something |
| 11:06.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess you'd need a basic knowledhe about CAL data structure to do that in a safe way |
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| 11:07.12 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer51, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 |
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| 11:07.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd change the value 12 'lines' after "lock_code" to default 12345, in mtd1 |
| 11:11.57 | ruskie | The old grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1 still gives 12345 but a 2nd result show up and looks as you said encrypted... |
| 11:12.00 | ruskie | it's 13 char long so my guess is that it's simple DES. |
| 11:12.03 | ruskie | It's also preceded by 7 bytes ... not sure what they are. |
| 11:12.09 | ruskie | from that thread |
| 11:12.23 | ruskie | but the app is there to actually do it for you |
| 11:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | I thought I was going to spend the rest of my time with the n900 dreading the day I or a friend accidentally hit the secure device button. |
| 11:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | while we are quoting tmo |
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| 11:15.24 | ruskie | hehe |
| 11:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: that's what dashavoo and me did yesterday |
| 11:15.38 | ruskie | well I'm under no pretences that anything on my N900 is remotely secure |
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| 11:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | john didn't rip thru his DESed code |
| 11:16.50 | dashavoo | My N900 is super secure ;) (or broken) |
| 11:16.53 | dashavoo | coffeeeee |
| 11:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm really reluctant to use that tool of qwerty12, as it *might* mess up your complete mtd1 CAL partition |
| 11:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | actually my question was targete at breaking a locked device where you simply can't access mtd1 that easily |
| 11:19.19 | ruskie | boot through a kernel with an initrd that runs that? |
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| 11:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | yep, along that line |
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| 11:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | pondering to cp -ax / /media/mmc1 |
| 11:21.46 | Lava_Croft | wtf |
| 11:21.47 | Lava_Croft | er |
| 11:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | then patching a few absolute device names and pathes on that copy on uSD, and boot that maemo copy like a meego |
| 11:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | plus, *of course*, commenting out the lock_code check |
| 11:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | damn that'd be cool to have a complete auxiliary maemo to boot from uBoot menu, in case you messed up the original one |
| 11:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | bootloops? PFFF! |
| 11:26.08 | ruskie | I'd just want an initfs initramfs |
| 11:26.16 | ruskie | with rescue tools |
| 11:26.26 | ruskie | from everything fscking... to reseting lock code |
| 11:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | download it at meego |
| 11:26.46 | ruskie | I did... then had to patch in a ton of stuff so I could actually use it for that |
| 11:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | just fixing the keymapping to have / etc would help a lot for recue-initrd |
| 11:27.30 | ruskie | that's easy |
| 11:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | is fetching the huge luser-attitude-recalibration-tool to convince ruskie to publish the results of that work |
| 11:29.35 | ruskie | it was nowhere near anything usable by a normal user |
| 11:30.06 | ruskie | MeeGo on the other hand has a console keymap provided that can be applied on maemo as well |
| 11:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | so what? meego rescue-initrd isn't either |
| 11:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | actually even the link to the download is broken on that webpage about recue-initrd |
| 11:32.35 | onion | a bit off-topic, but anyone know what webcasting system was used on this one maemo related page, that included a chat system ? (or can recommend some webcasting service) |
| 11:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | even just publishing a webpage with a woking dl-link would be an improvement. If that link is to a patched image that has some tools and a working keymap - even better |
| 11:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | of course a patched maemo system to install to uSD, just same way as a meego, is also quite an appealing idea in my book |
| 11:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | I bet you could even use the original meego uBoot config, if you do that right |
| 11:39.02 | ruskie | http://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-device-adaptation/sages-n900_nokia-n900-rescue-initrd/trees/master <-- DocScrutinizer in case it helps |
| 11:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | No, I don't help in that case |
| 11:39.31 | ruskie | has the raw files for the initrd and a script that builds it up |
| 11:39.51 | ruskie | even has the raw keymap that needs to be procesed through loadkeys |
| 11:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | so, is that what is finally called "useful by a normal user"? |
| 11:40.56 | Lava_Croft | 'normal users' use N900's? |
| 11:41.19 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, it's the initrd from MeeGo sources ;) |
| 11:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | s/useful/usable/ |
| 11:41.40 | ruskie | but last I tried it it had issues with not running the backlight |
| 11:42.54 | ruskie | I didn't even know where the sources were before |
| 11:43.02 | ruskie | just unpacked the initrd room and repacked it |
| 11:43.20 | crashanddie_ | you packed your room? |
| 11:43.22 | ruskie | now I might actually be able to make something using this |
| 11:43.24 | ruskie | erm rom |
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| 11:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | let's face it: for the occasional messing with initscripts, rescue-initrd isn't any solution to recover from a bootloop - at lest the way it's shipped now |
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| 11:49.57 | ruskie | simply need to start using the initfs |
| 11:50.07 | ruskie | supposedly there are what 2MB in there that can be used/abused for this |
| 11:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | installing uBoot and a tiny permanent rescue-system on a partition somewhere on eMMC, easily installable via a .deb, would be way more useful |
| 11:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | or on mtd3?/initrd, yes |
| 11:50.55 | ruskie | uboot is already there |
| 11:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 11:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | just needs a config tweak to boot that rescue system |
| 11:51.20 | ruskie | yup |
| 11:51.31 | ruskie | and a viable initfs image |
| 11:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever |
| 11:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't have to be an initrd |
| 11:51.53 | ruskie | well already does uSD |
| 11:51.59 | ruskie | not sure if it does eMMC but it might |
| 11:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | afaik MohammadAG does it right now |
| 11:54.57 | dashavoo | Right - I will leave work early tonight, and drive to the closest Nokia repair place |
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| 11:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4364_Original-Nokia-N900-Display--LCD-.html |
| 12:00.28 | Macer | is that in case meego gets done? :) |
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| 12:00.58 | Macer | never know when you need a new lcd |
| 12:01.20 | Macer | to replace on the n900 that will be stuck in a drawer in a year or so |
| 12:01.36 | ruskie | I wonder if nokia actively participating on meego will actually produce an actual usable UX or not... |
| 12:01.58 | Macer | they stopped participating i thought |
| 12:02.05 | Macer | and went to winmob |
| 12:02.10 | ruskie | Macer, nope |
| 12:02.21 | ruskie | they are actively working on getting meego officially supported on the N(00 |
| 12:02.24 | ruskie | erm N900 |
| 12:03.03 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: thanks. Bookmarked ready for when Nokia say get lost |
| 12:03.12 | RST38h | #define actively |
| 12:03.49 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition |
| 12:03.52 | Lava_Croft | active enough? |
| 12:04.51 | ruskie | Core team being formed in and around Nokia, including current N900 HW adaptation team |
| 12:04.54 | ruskie | Community involvement is very desirable, and there will lots of areas to contribute. |
| 12:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, somewhat funny |
| 12:07.23 | ruskie | I just wish MeeGo actually gets some usability experts and GUI designers... because the current UX is crap for anything other than phone calls |
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| 12:07.29 | Lava_Croft | http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Key%20Basic%20Feature/N900/1459 |
| 12:07.33 | Lava_Croft | thats how useful meego is atm |
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| 12:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | I wish they invested all those devel manpower into opening up the few missing bits on maemo, rather than rerererereinventing the wheel |
| 12:08.57 | Lava_Croft | we all would have liked that better, but such whining is just fuitless |
| 12:09.04 | Lava_Croft | fruitless, even |
| 12:09.18 | dashavoo | Lava_Croft: I think it is both |
| 12:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | meego is even more fruitless, no wmore than ever |
| 12:09.47 | dangergrrl | intel will use it |
| 12:09.52 | ruskie | hahahaha |
| 12:10.00 | Lava_Croft | any open source-ish project will bear some fruit |
| 12:10.05 | ruskie | I don't consider intel viable for a portable/mobile device |
| 12:10.09 | Lava_Croft | so meego isnt fruitless |
| 12:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | so tell me, what is the big advantage of meego over maemo? |
| 12:11.17 | ruskie | no clue |
| 12:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I just forgot about it... |
| 12:11.29 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: it is newer, and therefore better |
| 12:11.35 | dangergrrl | one feature is that it's a joint project and neither side can kill it |
| 12:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 12:11.39 | ruskie | ROFL |
| 12:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA |
| 12:11.58 | ruskie | dangergrrl, considering neither side actually has a stake in it... it's under linux foundation |
| 12:12.31 | ruskie | both companies and pick up their toys and go and it'll still exist |
| 12:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | BS, nobody can kill anything that's open. Or everybody can, by just contributing shit |
| 12:12.41 | ruskie | who will use it is another matter |
| 12:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | Linux is owned by Linus Torvalds alone. VERY DANGEROUS! he can kill it any day he feels like |
| 12:14.09 | ruskie | well the trademark is ;0 |
| 12:14.13 | ruskie | or so I thought |
| 12:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | >/sarcasm> - just in case |
| 12:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | s/>/</ |
| 12:15.04 | dashavoo | ok, this is distracting me from work too much today, I'd better "ctrl-a d" the screen |
| 12:15.07 | dashavoo | ciao |
| 12:15.25 | ruskie | http://codemages.net/bmb.sh <-- /me finally made his link spaming twitter like thingy... |
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| 12:19.49 | DocScrutinizer | meego will end like the wankel engine for cars. They thought they can do better than otto engine. In fact otto would have profitted way more if they invested all that R&D into that technology. Hell, some people say otto engine was a mistake and steam engine, when they'd have invested same amount of development into it, would nowadays be way superior to otto engine |
| 12:22.14 | Lava_Croft | at least meego is not standing on the sideline whining about the others |
| 12:22.44 | ruskie | nah it's just doing a microsoft and copying from others |
| 12:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | nah, they have enough business whining about state of own project |
| 12:23.44 | dangergrrl | microsoft does not give changes back to the community |
| 12:23.57 | ruskie | dangergrrl, you misunderstood |
| 12:24.07 | ruskie | they are copying the UX ideas from others |
| 12:24.10 | ruskie | just like M$ does |
| 12:24.15 | Lava_Croft | yeah, others don't copy? |
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| 12:24.18 | Lava_Croft | everybody copies |
| 12:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | and they are copying maemo sources, even those that never were disclosed for maemo community |
| 12:24.38 | dangergrrl | copying is great if you share your improvements |
| 12:24.39 | Lava_Croft | what's up with a lot of open source-ish people being such complete pussy whiners |
| 12:24.45 | Lava_Croft | that sit on #maemo and whine about the others |
| 12:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | now that's actually a benefit of meego |
| 12:24.50 | Lava_Croft | what good does any of this do |
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| 12:25.00 | Lava_Croft | besides generate a shitload of irc logs that are beyond pure sadness |
| 12:25.14 | ruskie | Lava_Croft, it fills the idle time between $random other conversations ;) |
| 12:25.16 | Lava_Croft | being positive about maemo is smarter than being negative about the others |
| 12:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: I can't see an single improvement in meego so far, that would help any other system to do better |
| 12:25.40 | dangergrrl | i just want to make a decision to mangle with rcS and rcS-late |
| 12:25.42 | Lava_Croft | it's bad energy, the kind that's usually related to adolescent males |
| 12:26.09 | dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: how about that more of the stuff that was closed in maemo is opening up? |
| 12:26.33 | SpeedEvil | dangergrrl: Much of it isn't opening up in a way which would help maemo at all. |
| 12:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | coool, I mentioned axactly that just err 2 lines above, dangergrrl |
| 12:27.24 | dangergrrl | ok, i used parted and shrank my vfat on mmcblk0p1 |
| 12:27.39 | SpeedEvil | There are a large number of interconnected daemons in maemo, with no docs. Replacing some of these with incompatible ones that are opensource for meego does little, as the interactions between the daemons are closed. |
| 12:28.04 | dangergrrl | i copied with cp -a /home to an ext2 on /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 12:28.58 | dangergrrl | presumably if i change the device name in rcS and rcS-late i should be able to use mmcblk1 for /home |
| 12:29.23 | SpeedEvil | I did something different |
| 12:29.32 | SpeedEvil | I shrunk my mydocs to 4G |
| 12:29.44 | SpeedEvil | I then added a new partition - ext3 |
| 12:29.54 | SpeedEvil | and mounted this on /home/user/data |
| 12:29.59 | SpeedEvil | Works for me. |
| 12:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | you could even loopmount a ext3 fs-image file living on vfat |
| 12:31.14 | dangergrrl | i already have the cp -a copy |
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| 12:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see the purpose |
| 12:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you had a typo in some of your prev posts? |
| 12:36.12 | dangergrrl | i want to boot with all the sw i have installed but /dev/mmcblk0p2 not mounted |
| 12:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | anyway probably you either want cp -ax or umount /home/user/MyDocs, to/prior copying /home |
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| 12:36.40 | dangergrrl | MyDocs was easy |
| 12:36.48 | dangergrrl | umount and parted fixed it |
| 12:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | you will see a massive mess of hidden used blocks on /dev/mmcblk1p1, as soon as maemo is mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 to ~user/MyDocs and thus covering all the content you created there |
| 12:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | actually mounting anything to a non-empty mountpoint is one of the more nasty puns of experienced sysadmins |
| 12:42.22 | pupnik | i don't remember what happens then |
| 12:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | it simply hides away all the prev content of the mountpoint |
| 12:43.13 | pupnik | ok |
| 12:43.25 | dangergrrl | it didn't like that |
| 12:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | I used to use this to place some click-me-to-mount.desktop there |
| 12:43.50 | dangergrrl | probably should have tested the awk before rebooting |
| 12:43.54 | SpeedEvil | Unless youhave union mounts |
| 12:44.04 | SpeedEvil | Which IIRC are still not in-tree. |
| 12:44.21 | dangergrrl | it's rebooting over and over |
| 12:44.23 | dangergrrl | damn |
| 12:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | err, quite expected result of such enterprises. Sorry dangergrrl, now you're up for a reflash |
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| 12:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | or you try along the lines of rescue-initrs we talked about 60min ago. And then try to fix the rcS tweaks |
| 12:46.32 | MohammadAG | what's the problem? |
| 12:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | he messed around with /home mount in initscripts |
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| 12:47.49 | ruskie | well that's why there is atleast one or two guides on doing the repartitioning on tmo/wmo |
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| 12:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 12:48.09 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 12:48.22 | MohammadAG | /home initscripts, those are on /etc right? |
| 12:48.33 | ruskie | hell my first week of owning N900 was spent reflashing it and writting together one of those guides... |
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| 12:49.06 | ruskie | and even then I've gotten bit by things that simply broke on PR1.1 and 1.2... not sure if 1.3 as well... |
| 12:49.21 | dangergrrl | i changed /usr/lib/genfstab.awk |
| 12:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, an auxiliary rescue system would come handy in such situations ;-D |
| 12:49.29 | dangergrrl | oh and i know what i did wrong |
| 12:49.38 | dangergrrl | damn |
| 12:49.47 | ruskie | I just removed the call to genfstab ;) |
| 12:49.53 | ruskie | since that fstab actually won't be used at all |
| 12:49.54 | dangergrrl | i forgot to delete an argument |
| 12:49.56 | ruskie | it's just there to look nice |
| 12:50.08 | ruskie | I actually have a usable fstab that actually gets used ;) |
| 12:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | genfstab is mostly irrelevant, as the actual mount is unrelated to fstab |
| 12:50.16 | ruskie | yup |
| 12:50.41 | ruskie | need to hack the scripts and get them into cssu so that fstab is actually used and we can drop genfstab |
| 12:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | now that'd be an appreciated sanitizing of some nasty annoying maemo quirk |
| 12:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | never got it what all this weird fstab crippling in maemo init was all about |
| 12:51.58 | MohammadAG | meego's awesome |
| 12:52.02 | MohammadAG | it can mount ubifs |
| 12:52.13 | ruskie | really? |
| 12:52.14 | dangergrrl | well, i saw a mount in /etc/init.d/rcS |
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| 12:52.32 | ruskie | I had to roll my own busybox with ubifs support to actually be able to rescue using it |
| 12:52.52 | dangergrrl | changed that one and stuff broke a little but it still mounted /dev/mmcblk0s2 /home |
| 12:53.07 | MohammadAG | yes, used it once |
| 12:53.49 | MohammadAG | and really, if someone could build the meego rescue kernel with ubifs support, that'd be awesome |
| 12:54.04 | ruskie | MohammadAG, actually ubifs support is there |
| 12:54.15 | ruskie | just the userspace stuff was/is absent |
| 12:54.26 | MohammadAG | it's a kernel issue |
| 12:54.31 | MohammadAG | probably missing module |
| 12:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | duh? |
| 12:54.46 | ruskie | I managed to access ubifs from meego running on an SD card |
| 12:54.54 | ruskie | after adding busybox with ubifs support to it |
| 12:55.25 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 12:55.51 | MohammadAG | meego uses coreutils iirc |
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| 12:56.26 | E0x | have to , because is not meego intent to get more close to a normal linux distro or something like that |
| 12:56.30 | E0x | ? |
| 12:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: actually that mount in rcS is the relevant thing. Nasty part: just about any typo in rcS will cause a bootloop |
| 12:56.45 | E0x | morning btw |
| 12:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* err busybox... MEH |
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| 12:57.46 | MohammadAG | yeah, meego uses coreutils and bash |
| 12:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 12:58.26 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 12:58.35 | pupnik | why does 'screen' mangle the ncurses graphics chars |
| 12:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | does it? |
| 12:59.14 | pupnik | does for me - maybe some terminfo / termcap mongling |
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| 13:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, good luck to Austin TX / Round Rock |
| 13:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 13:07.45 | dangergrrl | sigh |
| 13:08.03 | dangergrrl | lost my reading glasses and it wants an IMEI |
| 13:09.15 | E0x | *#06# |
| 13:09.34 | dangergrrl | it needs flashing |
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| 13:09.56 | khertan | "dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei" |
| 13:10.13 | khertan | in xterm and zoom the key size |
| 13:10.14 | dangergrrl | no, it won't boot, it is bricked |
| 13:10.21 | khertan | s/key/font |
| 13:10.33 | ruskie | in other words the fonts on the device are to small |
| 13:10.39 | ruskie | dangergrrl, still have the box? |
| 13:10.45 | ruskie | that has a larger IMEI sticker iirc |
| 13:12.19 | dangergrrl | awesome! |
| 13:12.38 | ruskie | hmm iirc it actually has 3... though one tends to be taken by the shop iirc... |
| 13:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | [A] [B] and [C] |
| 13:15.53 | MohammadAG | would be awesome if flasher could querry imei |
| 13:15.54 | ruskie | my mom loves throwing away empty boxes... so I need to be rather specific why things don't get thrown out... |
| 13:16.19 | ruskie | MohammadAG, hmm did anyone check if the usb serial might be set to the imei? |
| 13:16.42 | dangergrrl | i presume i don't need the global image :) |
| 13:17.15 | MohammadAG | global ftw |
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| 13:17.30 | ruskie | global is the best |
| 13:17.49 | MohammadAG | i still have my 6680's box |
| 13:18.06 | MohammadAG | and my N-Gage QD's box |
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| 13:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: use the global. US image is known to act up sometimes for GSM cmt firmware |
| 13:20.59 | dangergrrl | thx for the box tip, i can barely read it too but at least i didn't have to run to the store to replace crappy reading glasses |
| 13:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | my boxes rarely are empty. I always use them to store things like user manuals, recipes, spare parts... |
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| 13:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: why didn't you just copy&paste the one I sent to you? |
| 13:22.13 | dangergrrl | i didn't notice, was too busy trying to read that tiny print |
| 13:22.31 | dangergrrl | they don't make these things for the over 40 crowd :) |
| 13:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | ohwell |
| 13:23.13 | dangergrrl | when you need a firmware image may be a bad time to ask for that |
| 13:23.23 | dangergrrl | now i'll have a spare copy :) |
| 13:23.32 | MohammadAG | macro cameras ftw for magnification |
| 13:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | I got pretty good eyesight but have a mag glass now here on my desk, as sometimes those 0402 components are hard to even see |
| 13:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~25.4 * 0.04 |
| 13:24.54 | infobot | 1.016 |
| 13:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | mm |
| 13:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'm honestly getting too old to solder those |
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| 13:26.31 | dangergrrl | sucks |
| 13:26.40 | dangergrrl | if i could get a shell i know what i did wrong |
| 13:26.42 | dangergrrl | lol |
| 13:26.50 | dangergrrl | but i crashed the boot oh well |
| 13:27.07 | RST38h | Doc: or parts are getting smaller... |
| 13:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | 0402 always been 0402 ;-) |
| 13:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | just 15 years ago there's been no 0402 probably |
| 13:27.59 | pupnik | hmm dec vt-420 terminals are on ebay still |
| 13:29.42 | pupnik | would be pretty righteous to play roguelikes on |
| 13:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | play what? |
| 13:30.11 | dangergrrl | i still remember the lab full of vt05's we had in high school |
| 13:31.06 | pupnik | i had a vt100 once... called it the "bat-terminal" |
| 13:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | doh, you had nice schools there |
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| 13:31.34 | dangergrrl | it was a top notch program for 1980 |
| 13:31.41 | dangergrrl | we had a pdp 11/34a |
| 13:31.45 | pupnik | nice |
| 13:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 13:31.49 | pupnik | we had donated PETs |
| 13:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 13:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | those were fugly |
| 13:32.12 | pupnik | well, it was an elementary school |
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| 13:32.36 | dangergrrl | and i got to skip class in the principal's office cause i debugged his boot rom on his s-100 for him :) |
| 13:32.48 | pupnik | i got to skip class to play on the pets too |
| 13:33.08 | pupnik | ok that's cool |
| 13:33.16 | dangergrrl | they didn't give the fdc long enough to settle after init |
| 13:33.34 | khertan | cron is present on maemo by default ? |
| 13:33.38 | pupnik | was that some cp/m box? |
| 13:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 13:33.53 | dangergrrl | yes, cp/m |
| 13:33.59 | dangergrrl | TEI i think that one was |
| 13:34.04 | dangergrrl | 8" floppy |
| 13:34.24 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, So to do thing at regular interval a daemon running all time is the way to do ? |
| 13:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: alarmed, or fcron. not by default though. alarmd is the system you should use |
| 13:34.57 | khertan | alarmd burrk ... not really multi plateform ! |
| 13:35.06 | dangergrrl | damn and all i really wanted was to stream pulseaudio from my pc |
| 13:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 13:35.33 | dangergrrl | oh wait |
| 13:35.38 | dangergrrl | i have a full backup |
| 13:35.48 | dangergrrl | almost full |
| 13:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ first usecase ever to justify this pulseaudio abomination on N900 |
| 13:36.31 | ruskie | rofl |
| 13:36.33 | pupnik | why stream the raw pcm when you can stream the mp3/ogg/flac via network share / sshfs whatever |
| 13:36.46 | ruskie | I just use icecast to stream music to it ;) |
| 13:36.47 | dangergrrl | well the headset is designed not to work as a stereo headset if you plug it into the pc |
| 13:36.54 | ruskie | over wifi |
| 13:36.56 | chem|st | dangergrrl: that I tried a few month ago |
| 13:36.59 | dangergrrl | the pair of headphones i have for the pc is crap |
| 13:37.14 | ruskie | ahh I don't use headphones... |
| 13:37.16 | dangergrrl | so i want to watch a video with vlc and stream the audio to n900 |
| 13:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | tztztz |
| 13:37.34 | ruskie | fun |
| 13:37.42 | dangergrrl | should be easy |
| 13:37.48 | dangergrrl | except /home was full |
| 13:37.51 | dangergrrl | lol |
| 13:37.57 | ruskie | assuming PA on the n900 is non-crippled |
| 13:37.58 | robbiethe1st | I think latency's your big issue |
| 13:38.02 | ruskie | iirc it is in some way or another |
| 13:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | I just wonder if the video is so much fun via VLC |
| 13:38.07 | dangergrrl | bad news is i do lose the contents of /MyDocs |
| 13:38.09 | chem|st | dangergrrl: and you will have a slight offset with doing this I guess |
| 13:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry |
| 13:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | VLC != VNC |
| 13:38.24 | chem|st | ^^ |
| 13:38.44 | robbiethe1st | chem|st: VLC can adjust it. I'm just worried about varying latency due to network lag(etc) than anything else.. |
| 13:38.44 | dangergrrl | shouldn't be much, the audio goes through pulseaudio anyhow |
| 13:39.05 | chem|st | robbiethe1st: that is what I mean... |
| 13:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: actually you should have a full copy on mmcblk1p1 if you did a cp -a |
| 13:39.25 | chem|st | any descent player can adjust audio video offset |
| 13:39.39 | dangergrrl | cp -a -x -f actually |
| 13:39.43 | chem|st | but wifi-lag is |
| 13:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah -x |
| 13:39.53 | nidO | or the easy way, just play the video on the pc and n900 over upnp at the same time, unless I missed something? |
| 13:40.05 | dangergrrl | but i don't have to reinstall all my packages at least |
| 13:40.07 | robbiethe1st | Aanyway, I'll let you two work it out; cya tomorrow. |
| 13:40.10 | chem|st | and pulse' multicast streaming does no good at my wifi setup at home |
| 13:40.45 | robbiethe1st | dangergrrl: If you're talking about a full backup... that |
| 13:40.47 | robbiethe1st | That |
| 13:40.56 | robbiethe1st | That's why I created backupmenu. ;) |
| 13:41.19 | dangergrrl | i just did things the usual unix way :) |
| 13:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | I recommend that |
| 13:41.24 | dangergrrl | and shot myself in the foot |
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| 13:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: actually that's not the unix way. You never create a backup of a mounted fs |
| 13:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | backupmenu is taking care about that |
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| 13:42.41 | robbiethe1st | Anyway, good luck. |
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| 13:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: restoring to a mounted fs is even harder, backupmenu is supposed to handle that as well |
| 13:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: basically backupmenu is the luser's init s |
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| 13:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | (where on maemo everybody's a luser ;-P ) |
| 13:50.44 | khertan | transferring a Virtual HD image is painfull (vdi of 160Go) |
| 13:51.19 | ZogG | khertan, hey |
| 13:51.26 | khertan | hey ZogG |
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| 13:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | hey heys |
| 13:51.49 | khertan | (specially when you think ... hey now problem i ll copy it on fat hd ... .... fail) ... |
| 13:52.00 | ZogG | khertan, if i have MainWindow class in main.cpp for example |
| 13:52.10 | ZogG | andi have simple functions |
| 13:52.28 | ruskie | khertan, well fat is what 4gb limit... isn't it? |
| 13:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: that's what dd is made for :-D |
| 13:53.03 | khertan | ruskie, maybe a bit more ... but sure there is a limit |
| 13:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: fat has no *nix perms |
| 13:53.42 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, i'm not sur that using firewire is made for transfering large file over firewire ethernet :) |
| 13:53.50 | ZogG | ruskie, 4 Gibs indeed |
| 13:54.05 | khertan | a small harddrive is probably better for that |
| 13:54.24 | ZogG | and i want to call MainWindow class function from regular function, how do i do it? |
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| 13:55.10 | khertan | m = new MainWindow() |
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| 13:55.23 | khertan | m->mymainfunctioniwanttocall() |
| 13:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 13:55.39 | khertan | but i far to be a cpp expert :) |
| 13:55.43 | MohammadAG | that's another instance of MainWindow |
| 13:55.47 | khertan | yep |
| 13:55.59 | DocScrutinizer | that's the only instance of mainwin |
| 13:56.12 | khertan | but to call something on instance ... you need to have an instance |
| 13:56.30 | MohammadAG | I wouldn't want MainWindow -> some child window -> MainWindow again |
| 13:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | there has to be an instance of mainwin or there'll be no mainwin |
| 13:56.55 | MohammadAG | that's creating another instance of it |
| 13:57.04 | khertan | But if mainwin is a child of mainwin ... why it s called mainwin ? |
| 13:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 13:57.25 | ZogG | you giot me confused and you misunderstood me |
| 13:57.59 | khertan | is lost too |
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| 13:58.54 | MohammadAG | I'm guessing ZogG has a child window |
| 13:59.04 | MohammadAG | and wants to call a function in the parent MainWindow |
| 13:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: if we misunderstood you, don't you think that's somehow related to the fact you spread your question across 3 fuzzy posts a few minutes apart from each other? |
| 13:59.46 | ZogG | MohammadAG nope |
| 14:00.05 | ZogG | i have mainwindow class |
| 14:00.18 | khertan | MohammadAG, you are lost too ... failed everyone :) |
| 14:00.26 | ZogG | and functions like MainWindow::do_that () |
| 14:00.36 | ZogG | but i have dothat_too() |
| 14:01.06 | ZogG | and as i try to call MainWindow::do that () from do_that_too() it fails |
| 14:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | where's dothat_too() ? |
| 14:01.24 | MohammadAG | what fails |
| 14:01.31 | MohammadAG | I mean, how does it fail |
| 14:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | unknown function |
| 14:01.47 | MohammadAG | defined in .h? |
| 14:02.14 | ZogG | or i want to do ui->soomething->somethin() from void my_own_func_with_no_class() i fail |
| 14:02.15 | khertan | ZogG, maybe pastbinning source code will be easier to understand :) |
| 14:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: your question is rather fuzzy. I suggest pastebinit |
| 14:02.24 | divan | MohammadAG, how the file /home/user/.config/menus/hildon.menu is created? Does it belongs to some package or created in postinstall scripts? |
| 14:02.39 | ZogG | MohammadAG nope it's inside mainwindow.cpp |
| 14:02.58 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop |
| 14:03.14 | MohammadAG | ZogG, put the name of the function under private: in the .h file of mainwindow |
| 14:03.22 | divan | MohammadAG, I can't see it in 'dpkg -L hildon-desktop' list. |
| 14:03.31 | MohammadAG | it's created in real time |
| 14:03.45 | divan | Ah, clear |
| 14:03.46 | ZogG | MohammadAG but that it would be MainWindow::my_func() but not my_func() |
| 14:03.50 | divan | Thanks |
| 14:04.00 | MohammadAG | huh |
| 14:04.06 | ZogG | than* |
| 14:04.17 | MohammadAG | this isn't C |
| 14:04.21 | ZogG | khertan, DocScrutinizer, i think MohammadAG won =) |
| 14:04.33 | ZogG | MohammadAG i do use C =) |
| 14:04.40 | BCMM | dotHat? Ì. |
| 14:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: one thing's for sure: you lose |
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| 14:04.53 | khertan | :) |
| 14:05.00 | ZogG | =( |
| 14:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: google namespace |
| 14:05.32 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, if you love me that much, i suggest just telling me and not playing 5th grade games =) |
| 14:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: google visibility |
| 14:05.50 | khertan | Python ... Python ... Python ... Python ... Python ... Python .... |
| 14:06.08 | MohammadAG | khertan, you might enjoy C |
| 14:06.12 | ZogG | khertan, i want to obtain C power |
| 14:06.25 | BCMM | you must kill a C programmer. |
| 14:06.30 | BCMM | or something |
| 14:06.33 | BCMM | also i think there's a book |
| 14:06.36 | ZogG | BCMM, cut his head? |
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| 14:06.44 | khertan | MohammadAG, in fact i use the last three week to made a c plugin for 4D to add python language to 4D :) |
| 14:06.45 | ZogG | and eat his heart |
| 14:06.51 | BCMM | that's it, yeah |
| 14:06.57 | BCMM | that or read k&r is what i heard |
| 14:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'm just not contributing on your 1st grade hoac games. I clearly asked "where's dothat_too() ?" and I suggested pastebinit |
| 14:07.02 | khertan | s/week/weekend |
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| 14:07.12 | ZogG | BCMM, k&r? |
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| 14:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | hoax* |
| 14:07.59 | khertan | MohammadAG, but if i can avoid using c ... i' avoid using it ... |
| 14:08.18 | MohammadAG | C pwns python, admit it :P |
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| 14:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | kernigan and ritchie, aka K&R |
| 14:08.34 | MohammadAG | takes a lot more time to program in too |
| 14:08.37 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, https://github.com/funkycode/fresh/blob/master/mainwindow.cpp |
| 14:09.42 | khertan | MohammadAG, depends of context |
| 14:09.54 | ZogG | for example i want to set label ui->song_info->setText("connected"); from void connect_xmms() |
| 14:09.58 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, ^ |
| 14:10.05 | MohammadAG | GUIs, stuff for a 600MHz device :P |
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| 14:10.12 | khertan | MohammadAG, in term of pure perf ... no comparaison ... |
| 14:10.30 | ZogG | assembler FTW |
| 14:10.33 | BCMM | ZogG: "The C Programming Language" by Kerningham and Ritchie, aka k&r or "The White Bible" |
| 14:10.46 | ZogG | BCMM thanks |
| 14:10.50 | MohammadAG | assembly* |
| 14:10.59 | ZogG | going to download it |
| 14:11.00 | khertan | MohammadAG, but a well done algo code with python will always be faster than a poor one done inc |
| 14:11.07 | khertan | s/inc/in c |
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| 14:11.20 | BCMM | ZogG: the first edition was actually the de-facto spec for the language |
| 14:11.46 | MohammadAG | khertan, for a GUI? doubtful |
| 14:11.47 | ZogG | BCMM, which one (edition) should i get? |
| 14:12.08 | MohammadAG | it'll just segfault in C |
| 14:12.08 | BCMM | ZogG: the second edition |
| 14:12.08 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 14:12.12 | khertan | MohammadAG, a good py programmer most of the time use libs (which are coded in c) |
| 14:12.17 | ZogG | BCMM, ok, thanks |
| 14:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: definitely not, I offer a bet where poor c code beats good py code |
| 14:12.36 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, i didn't say poor code ... but poor algo |
| 14:12.40 | RST38h | wonders why a good py programmer is not using C to begin with |
| 14:12.46 | BCMM | ZogG: teh first edition came before standardisation, and actually got used like a standard by compiler devs and so on. the second edition is written for ANSI C |
| 14:12.49 | ZogG | i can make a poor C.... oooops, no i even can't do that =( |
| 14:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: that's what I meant |
| 14:13.02 | RST38h | Doc: You can easily do worse than py by writing bad C code |
| 14:13.29 | ZogG | RST38h, but how you got it that if you bad in C you would be good in python =) |
| 14:13.40 | BCMM | it's almost hilarious how influential that book is... |
| 14:13.44 | ZogG | RST38h, and you are russian, noone cares what you think |
| 14:13.56 | khertan | MohammadAG, take a look at gitorious.org/khtsync and say me how many time it takes to you to write similar things in c |
| 14:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | I bet I can beat a carefully selected advanced sort algo in python by carefully written simple bubblesort in C |
| 14:14.06 | BCMM | for example, if you don't use K&r's brace style, they won't accept your driver into the mainstream linux kernel :) |
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| 14:14.24 | MohammadAG | khertan, I already said writing stuff in C takes more time |
| 14:14.33 | MohammadAG | but if done properly, C kicks Python's ass :p |
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| 14:14.56 | khertan | MohammadAG, no no seriously ... i didn't want to defy or something els |
| 14:14.58 | khertan | else |
| 14:15.15 | khertan | this is just to have a estimation ... as i ll probably rewrite that in c :) |
| 14:15.23 | RST38h | Doc: ah, you can really screw up the bubble sort |
| 14:15.39 | RST38h | Doc: but I am sure an averag C bubble sort implementation will run circles around python |
| 14:15.39 | BCMM | tbh, it's probably just another example of the general pattern of things that could be done by human or by computer |
| 14:15.51 | BCMM | a good human > a computer > a bad human |
| 14:16.13 | BCMM | (see also autopilots and automatic transmissions) |
| 14:16.15 | khertan | an evil > a good human > a computer > a idiot |
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| 14:16.53 | khertan | BCMM, see metro in paris ... line 14 ... automatic ... no problem ... no late .... always working ... no strike |
| 14:16.54 | khertan | :) |
| 14:17.04 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: however, one could provide a data set where bubble sort is ages slower than the "advanced sorting algorithm" implemented even in the slowest language of the world. |
| 14:17.09 | khertan | and the human drived line.... hum ... |
| 14:17.11 | khertan | :) |
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| 14:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yes, I forgot to mention I'm selecting the sort data |
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| 14:18.10 | BCMM | one could provide a dataset to suite almost any sorting algorithm |
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| 14:18.16 | khertan | filezilla version in debian stable is far to be stable |
| 14:18.17 | khertan | pfff |
| 14:19.16 | dangergrrl | well, it's not bricked |
| 14:19.27 | dangergrrl | but i get to reinstall all the apps anyhow |
| 14:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, let's make this a bit more precise: sort data is dd if=/dev/random of=mysortdata bs=5k count=1 |
| 14:19.57 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 14:20.06 | javispedro | morning |
| 14:20.25 | RST38h | Doc: BUT PYTHON IS MORE PLEASURE TO CODE IN! |
| 14:20.35 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
| 14:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | I still keep that bet, given we agree on what's the class of "advanced sort algorithms" I will choose one to implement in python |
| 14:21.10 | javispedro | make that count=2000 or something like that and were talking ;) |
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| 14:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 14:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 14:22.23 | javispedro | you should all get into that tmo thread where someone is trying to explain to us the benefits of the java vm |
| 14:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 14:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | gasp |
| 14:23.00 | khertan | javispedro, hihi could be fun |
| 14:23.01 | khertan | :) |
| 14:23.27 | khertan | filezilla is a .... |
| 14:23.29 | khertan | grrrr |
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| 14:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: line U3 subway in Nuernberg :-D |
| 14:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: you noticed my stories about SIPEM in Duesseldorf and Dortmund? |
| 14:26.26 | MohammadAG | nothing better than the local city train station |
| 14:26.32 | MohammadAG | it's like Duke Nuken Forever |
| 14:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: (more pleasure) actually I hate python more and more, since I noticed wiki pages are silently dropping format like leading whitespace and tab |
| 14:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | hell, even COBOL removed the format restrictions somewhere around COBOL78 or whatever the version was |
| 14:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | suggests we move from python to all WHITESPACE |
| 14:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | an awesome language |
| 14:29.46 | dangergrrl | everytime someone mentions the whitespace thing i hope they are really talking about fortran-iv |
| 14:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | and for sure more fun to code in than python |
| 14:30.17 | BCMM | F90 FTW! |
| 14:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language) |
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| 14:33.03 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, nope |
| 14:33.37 | ZogG | how about C# and C++? |
| 14:33.50 | ZogG | and ruby? |
| 14:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | how about objective-C |
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| 14:34.05 | khertan | How about Goto++ |
| 14:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | and brainfuck? |
| 14:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | or LOLCODE |
| 14:34.45 | SpeedEvil | Piet! |
| 14:34.48 | SpeedEvil | Piet is cool! |
| 14:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | KTHNXBYE |
| 14:35.00 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html |
| 14:35.25 | MohammadAG | CAN HAZ Qt? |
| 14:35.26 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/piet_pi_big.png outputs pi - for example |
| 14:35.39 | SpeedEvil | You make it more precise by making the circle larger |
| 14:38.16 | khertan | GoTo++ i like the GOTOGOTORANDOM() 80;LabelName |
| 14:38.36 | khertan | 80% chance to jump to label ... else ... it s fall somewhere else in the code |
| 14:38.37 | khertan | :) |
| 14:40.26 | javispedro | DO NOT TALK ME ABOUT OBJECTIVE C! |
| 14:40.50 | sandst1 | Wow, there's a brainfuck interpreter for Piet x) |
| 14:41.23 | khertan | pffff ... zipping a 160Gb file and splitting it into chunk of 4Gb is really slow |
| 14:41.24 | khertan | pfff |
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| 14:43.30 | E0x | somebody in tmo ask/talk about use the n900 for light meter or something |
| 14:43.44 | E0x | could this posible ? |
| 14:44.15 | E0x | i was thinking in something like that for autoadjust the expose in the camera app |
| 14:44.26 | E0x | in a better way |
| 14:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nice |
| 14:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder... |
| 14:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | seen dangermouse |
| 14:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen dangermouse |
| 14:46.42 | infobot | dangermouse <n=dmouse@89.243.221.142> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 731d 1h 13m 20s ago, saying: 'Can get on with my buffer overflow coursework now \o/'. |
| 14:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 14:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen dangermaus |
| 14:47.19 | infobot | dangermaus <638d3d82@tuxhacker/loft306> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 2h 28m 29s ago, saying: 'k thnx'. |
| 14:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 14:48.16 | dangergrrl | well, if anyone wants help bricking their n900, just ask me, i'm a pro at it :) |
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| 14:49.37 | javispedro | actually, ask me. it's been a while since I last used my precious hammer... |
| 14:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | E0x: there's luxmeter app |
| 14:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | E0x: but that's silly for camera - except if we're talking about frontcam |
| 14:51.39 | dangergrrl | i doubt the frontcam has the sensitivity to be good for that |
| 14:51.56 | dangergrrl | could be wrong though |
| 14:52.04 | dangergrrl | i did break mine today :) |
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| 14:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | the frontcam is pointing in same direction as ALS. So it's the only cam on N900 that can use ALS for "autoadjust the expose in the camera app" |
| 14:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | how did you break your frontcam? :-o |
| 14:53.30 | dangergrrl | just the whole n900 |
| 14:53.51 | dangergrrl | i have to reinstall all my apps anyhow so i plan on finishing the technique i was trying |
| 14:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | meh, you just fsckdup your initscripts :-D |
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| 14:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | that doesn't count |
| 14:54.33 | dangergrrl | with no text mode console that's bad enough |
| 14:54.49 | dangergrrl | ok, so it was easily fixed |
| 14:55.02 | dangergrrl | other than hours to come with application manager |
| 14:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | me suggests installing backupmenu, it has USB console as well |
| 14:55.34 | dangergrrl | that would have helped :) |
| 14:55.38 | dangergrrl | i'll get that |
| 14:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | appmanager hassle can easily be done via backup APP (not menu this time) |
| 14:55.55 | dangergrrl | right now i need x terminal gainroot and ssh |
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| 14:56.01 | GAN900 | Should I upgrade to the CSSU yet? |
| 14:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: works great here |
| 14:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: just beware of MHD remnants on your system :-P |
| 14:56.57 | lardman | hmm, /me sees useful things like json module in Python 2.7 and wonders if there's a newer version for the N900? |
| 14:57.25 | lardman | GAN900: yeah, works here too, I've not noticed any problems (nor indeed any changes) |
| 14:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: changes are marginal, when comparing to a massively tweaked system like JR-PR1.2 ;-) |
| 14:59.50 | lardman | I guess there's a changelog on the wiki page, I should take a look at it |
| 14:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | I guess JR-PR1.2 >> PR1.3 basic |
| 15:00.44 | lardman | what is JR? |
| 15:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | so now after upgrade to PR1.3 and switching&fixing to CSSU my system feels like a week ago, except for fixed SIP |
| 15:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: my initials ;-D |
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| 15:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | or simply http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools plus a few ""secret"" things |
| 15:02.27 | GAN900 | lardman, Honeycomb sucks significantly less acutely than 2.x |
| 15:02.47 | lardman | whoa, topic change there ;) |
| 15:03.02 | RST38h | GAN: How exactly? =) |
| 15:03.14 | RST38h | heya lardman |
| 15:03.23 | lardman | GAN900: well I don't really want to write Java code, though it would be nice to have Honeycomb on the Tab eventually |
| 15:03.30 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 15:03.31 | GAN900 | RST38h, I think it's largely down to being generic and not including B&N's BS. |
| 15:03.37 | javispedro | DO NOT TALK ME ABOUT JAVA! |
| 15:03.43 | lardman | lol |
| 15:03.48 | GAN900 | Permanent on-screen keys in the status area help. |
| 15:04.06 | RST38h | GAN: Ah you mean a particular android device |
| 15:04.06 | khertan | JR-PR1.2 ? |
| 15:04.09 | khertan | what that ? |
| 15:04.12 | GAN900 | lardman, I want MeeGo, but given that there's no useful Tablet UX. ;) |
| 15:04.17 | GAN900 | RST38h, yes. |
| 15:04.28 | GAN900 | RST38h, Nook Color |
| 15:04.31 | khertan | John Rampage Pirate Release 1.2 ? |
| 15:04.35 | lardman | GAN900: yeah I know, and worst of all no repo afaict |
| 15:04.39 | GAN900 | khertan, DocScrutinizer's customized install. |
| 15:04.44 | khertan | ;) |
| 15:05.43 | javispedro | still does not understand why everyone wants a nook color |
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| 15:07.09 | RST38h | javispedro: not everyone |
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| 15:07.22 | RST38h | javispedro: but it is pretty cheap, so that may be the reason |
| 15:08.06 | GAN900 | javispedro, cheap for what you get? |
| 15:08.26 | nidO | well, what you get is a presumably shitty e-reader but a dirt cheap android tablet |
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| 15:10.37 | sandst1 | get a bebook, there's a real e-reader with qt support out of the box :P |
| 15:10.58 | khertan | ouch All for $249 |
| 15:11.03 | khertan | it far from being cheap |
| 15:11.17 | ZogG | javispedro agreed |
| 15:11.27 | nidO | khertan: you dont get many android tablets at that price |
| 15:11.32 | ZogG | so stupid to buy ebook that is not ebook at all |
| 15:11.43 | javispedro | I also do not see it cheap, but I guess it compares nice to the ripoffs from the larger "tablet" manufactures |
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| 15:11.45 | ZogG | that way i can buy pad or read from laptop |
| 15:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's soooo *cheap* |
| 15:12.09 | GAN900 | khertan, got it for $200. |
| 15:12.25 | GAN900 | Nice hardware. |
| 15:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | so tinny |
| 15:12.36 | ZogG | i bouth sony prs 650 |
| 15:12.39 | GAN900 | OMAP3621, 512MB RAM, IPS. |
| 15:12.43 | ZogG | happy eith it |
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| 15:13.46 | GAN900 | My endgame is MeeGo. |
| 15:13.46 | khertan | oh ... didn't see the right specs |
| 15:13.48 | khertan | r> so tinny |
| 15:13.48 | khertan | <ZogG> i bouth sony prs 650 |
| 15:13.48 | khertan | <GAN900> OMAP3621, 512MB RAM, |
| 15:13.57 | khertan | not so bad ! |
| 15:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | wants a N9000 with 1GHz, 1GB RAM, and HD-HDMI out, plus a pair of sunglasses with micro laser video mirrored in |
| 15:15.08 | ZogG | khertan ? |
| 15:15.33 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, it sucks NOver9000 is way better |
| 15:16.09 | khertan | ZogG, sorry copy paste error :) |
| 15:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: any chances you eventually augment xchat? A few features missing |
| 15:17.22 | ZogG | khertan, okay, but it's last time it happens |
| 15:17.25 | ZogG | =) |
| 15:17.30 | khertan | :) |
| 15:17.41 | RST38h | Doc: Once I become jobless and won't have anything else to do :) |
| 15:17.56 | ZogG | RST38h, where do you work? |
| 15:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 15:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: so I hope somebody else has to do that |
| 15:18.35 | RST38h | Doc: Once someone wants it badly enough, he/she will do it :) |
| 15:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | sure sure |
| 15:18.46 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer do what? |
| 15:18.53 | RST38h | Doc: Last changes were done by MohammadAG who finally made the notification icons work |
| 15:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | fix/add a few things for xchat |
| 15:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | what f'ing notification icons? |
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| 15:19.43 | ZogG | xchat works fine for me |
| 15:20.09 | RST38h | Doc: Also depends on how difficult those things are to add |
| 15:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: still a better nick completion, a smarter one, couldn't hurt for example |
| 15:20.35 | ZogG | what si wrong with one built in? |
| 15:20.49 | RST38h | Nick completionyou can perfectly well add by yourself, except that your standards of "smarter" may not necessarily match what others think |
| 15:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: dirt cheap one: when pressing nickcompletion at an empty lijne, use last used nick |
| 15:21.00 | RST38h | Doc: Aha |
| 15:21.09 | RST38h | Why not press the UP button though? |
| 15:21.09 | kerio | is it really helpful? |
| 15:21.18 | lolcat | My phone won't charge, any solutions? |
| 15:21.20 | kerio | RST38h: because pressing up gives you the whole message |
| 15:21.26 | RST38h | ah ok |
| 15:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: because the (shift)up is fetching the whole last line, and deleting my long posts to get same nick again is way more work than retyping the first 3 letters |
| 15:22.21 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, gui_ulist_doubleclickCommand to run upon double click of user in userlist. |
| 15:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | I fsckng got no crappy userlist |
| 15:23.00 | RST38h | Doc: Ok, I have got the overall idea. Will look at it, and add it if it is easy |
| 15:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: cool |
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| 15:23.44 | lardman | urgh, anyone know about JSON? |
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| 15:24.08 | RST38h | JSON is the new XML |
| 15:24.16 | RST38h | anything else you wanna know? :) |
| 15:24.26 | lardman | no, that's all good ;) |
| 15:24.49 | lardman | actually I think I've worked it out, was wondering what the root object is called |
| 15:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: while you're at it - maybe shorting the window title so the meaningless "nick @ server" gets dropped and you actually could read the more interesting bits at end that never appeared here as they are truncated |
| 15:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | (yeah I know my nick is too long ;-P) |
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| 15:26.45 | RST38h | Doc: yea, that one is doable |
| 15:27.15 | RST38h | "Utah To Teach USA is a Republic, Not a Democracy" |
| 15:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | currently I got "XChat: docscrutinizer51 @ ZNC / #" |
| 15:27.36 | GAN900 | RST38h, can you add FBReader syncing to you jobless list, too? |
| 15:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | none of that is of any particular nterest to me |
| 15:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | as I know it's xchat and I know and even see my nick |
| 15:29.17 | RST38h | GAN: There is a guy, named Rob1n, who is doing pretty well on maintaining FBReader |
| 15:29.41 | lardman | quite nice of die Polizei to release crime stats with a JSON interface for us to browse |
| 15:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | I for the life of me I couldn't figure what's that # meaning, sometimes it's there sometimes not |
| 15:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | and the / prolly is mere cruft |
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| 15:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: if you could build a .deb with python plugin enabled and host it at <random-site> I'd be even double-happy |
| 15:37.09 | RST38h | Doc: Forget Python |
| 15:37.23 | RST38h | Doc: Once I enable Python it starts cursing about Python not installed |
| 15:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I know about dependency PITA with normal repo |
| 15:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | that'S why I ask for a .deb >somewhere>, not a pkg in -devel |
| 15:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | even a mere binary would do |
| 15:38.55 | RST38h | Just compile it yourself, the sources are in the repo |
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| 15:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but that means I need to setup and get used to that yuck SB |
| 15:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | I touched that thing last time some ~10 moths ago |
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| 15:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | and that took me like two days to get everything running |
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| 15:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | "small" root here, only some 25GB |
| 15:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | so I probably would want to buy a new laptop, to make SB run smoothly |
| 15:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | or install the whole crap on a Vhost, under centos :-o |
| 15:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | even there the storage is 'only' some 30GB right now |
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| 16:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 16:46.52 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, ok, at least the net and server are alive |
| 16:48.34 | MohammadAG | looks at tumble weeds |
| 16:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | shhssshhhhSHHHHHHssssssHhhhhhhhh |
| 16:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | gathers everybody's curing their hangover from yesterday rednose madness |
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| 16:58.59 | merlin1991 | zzzzZZzzs in front of C# code |
| 17:01.42 | GAN900 | Man, that scared me. |
| 17:01.45 | GAN900 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.03 | lardman | GAN900: just watched that online |
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| 17:06.22 | GAN900 | Shook the windows |
| 17:06.48 | lardman | well that particular vehicle won't be doing that again |
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| 17:11.38 | lardman | there really is a lot of faffing about after a shuttle landing |
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| 17:18.13 | tg | hai |
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| 17:19.25 | Tsuyo | Hey, any idea to connect Ovi Store and FapMan? Or .. an alternative than the n900 package manager? |
| 17:19.35 | Tsuyo | It's slow as hell. And i want to install more apps |
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| 17:22.22 | lolcat | Tsuyo: apt-get install? |
| 17:23.32 | Tsuyo | I added the repository Ovi Store fremantle 1.2, but how can i identify me as an customer? |
| 17:23.46 | Tsuyo | I mean, if i buy apps, i can download them. How can i do that via apt-get? |
| 17:24.27 | Tsuyo | I don't see the apps anyway. |
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| 17:25.51 | lolcat | Ok |
| 17:25.55 | GAN900 | lardman, good riddance. Way too expensive for what you get. Too bad the money's gonna go to bribing votes out of old people instead of actual productive things. |
| 17:25.59 | lolcat | Ovi Store is crap |
| 17:26.04 | slonopotamus | huh |
| 17:26.15 | lardman | GAN900: but pretty cool engineering |
| 17:26.26 | Lava_Croft | Tsuyo: I dont think Ovi will work with fapman |
| 17:26.26 | lardman | considering it was deisgned and built in the 70s |
| 17:26.27 | slonopotamus | Tsuyo: you really think that in nokia world you get any usability if you pay? |
| 17:26.49 | Tsuyo | ^^. That was just an example. I haven't bought anything. |
| 17:26.57 | Tsuyo | I mean, except the N900. |
| 17:27.00 | slonopotamus | no, man, it's all other way round. when ovi just opened, it was easier to get apps if you _didn't_ pay |
| 17:27.06 | GAN900 | Yeah, for the 80s. |
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| 17:27.14 | Lava_Croft | http://kasvopus.substanceofcode.com/ |
| 17:27.52 | GAN900 | Interesting to see where the private companies go. |
| 17:30.47 | lardman | heads home |
| 17:30.50 | lardman | cu later GAN900 |
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| 17:32.29 | tg | hm interesting, i disabled the lock code on my n900 some time back, but now after finishing a call it got locked and asks for a lock code, maybe the previous code i configured long time ago that i disabled and dont remember anymore? |
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| 17:33.42 | tg | so what are the options for disabling/bypassing/resetting that code? |
| 17:33.51 | tg | preferably without reflashing the whole thing |
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| 17:38.16 | SpeedEvil | tg: 12345? |
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| 17:38.21 | SpeedEvil | If it was as default |
| 17:38.24 | tg | doesnt work.. |
| 17:38.30 | tg | i already tried that |
| 17:38.31 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 17:40.04 | tg | the problem is that it's still locked after reboot |
| 17:40.38 | tg | and doesnt ask for my sim pin code but this lock code instead |
| 17:41.43 | tg | is there a recovery console or similar where i can access the device? |
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| 17:46.03 | tg | so is there a recovery console or similar where i can access the rootfs? |
| 17:46.05 | tg | oops |
| 17:46.09 | tg | i already asked that :) |
| 17:46.46 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 17:47.01 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsureif meego respects the CAL eprom. |
| 17:48.10 | tg | mmhm |
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| 17:56.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | there is no way to "disable lockcode". You can disable the automatic locking, but you always can lock it via powerbutton menu |
| 17:57.23 | slonopotamus | definitely there is, just install os that doesn't care of it |
| 17:58.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | and only chance you got to unlock a locked device is to get access either via ssh or via meego / rescue-initrd and do the john |
| 17:58.02 | tg | well it's enough to disable autolock for now |
| 17:58.13 | lolcat | What is the lock code? |
| 17:58.34 | tg | i've just read somewhere that reflashing disables autolock |
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| 17:58.47 | slonopotamus | lolcat: some marketing crap that leads into cases when user can't use his own device |
| 17:58.56 | tg | exactly |
| 17:59.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm I honestly doubt that |
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| 17:59.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | that would render whole lockcode void |
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| 18:00.07 | lolcat | I want to lock my phone so my friends can't mess with my phone while drunk! |
| 18:00.19 | lolcat | If it would only charge... |
| 18:00.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | you can reset lockcode with special flasher tools that access CAL partition directly |
| 18:01.01 | lolcat | Can I do that without the phone charging? Can it be a broken battery? |
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| 18:03.02 | kwtm | Hi, fellow marooned N900 passengers on the sinking ship of Nokia. |
| 18:03.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | tg: you need access to device and reset or decode the lockcode |
| 18:03.19 | lolcat | What is the best worst thing I can to to fix it? |
| 18:03.48 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer51: btw, are there vanilla CAL images available? |
| 18:03.52 | kwtm | Is there a reason I don't see "bc" in the available packages to install after having recently updated repositories (yesterday) to include extras.*? |
| 18:04.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | slonopotamus: not possible |
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| 18:04.30 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer51: why? |
| 18:04.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | CAL has CALibration data, for ALS, MAC, Ser#... |
| 18:05.26 | tg | DocScrutinizer51: yes i need access, should i try with this flasher 3.5 or is there a better tool? |
| 18:05.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | what would you do with flasher3.5? |
| 18:06.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | afaik you need rescue-initrd which starts via flasher |
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| 18:07.29 | tg | yes that's what i'd try |
| 18:07.37 | kwtm | I may have found the problem: enabling repositories in "Faster Application Manager" doesn't "really" enable them; it looks like it will work when I enable them in the official app manager. |
| 18:08.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't think meego or anything else alternative way to access CAL partition will work/install on a locked device |
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| 18:09.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | fapman is known botch |
| 18:09.45 | merlin1991 | fapman is a bitch |
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| 18:12.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | tg: use the grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail 1 method to get the lockcode hash, in rescue-initrd |
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| 18:12.32 | tg | k |
| 18:12.55 | tg | i found something like that too |
| 18:13.06 | tg | and how to disable autolock? |
| 18:13.17 | tg | iirc there was a file on the rootfs that i have to remove? |
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| 18:14.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | tg: why would you want to bother with files to disable autolock? |
| 18:14.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | you need ubifs support in rescue-initrd to access rootfs |
| 18:14.50 | MohammadAG | if only Nokia opened up some apps on maemo |
| 18:14.51 | E0x | still with the lock code things :P |
| 18:14.51 | E0x | ? |
| 18:14.57 | E0x | MohammadAG: or all |
| 18:14.59 | MohammadAG | how hard would have been to do this... |
| 18:15.00 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.00 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.18 | tg | DocScrutinizer51: oh i see, i thought that'd be simpler |
| 18:16.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | tg: get hash from mtd1, decrypt it with john on your PC, unlock device and boot, profit |
| 18:16.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | then you can adjust whatever you want |
| 18:16.41 | tg | yup |
| 18:16.49 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 18:16.57 | MohammadAG | I don't think mtd1 is mtd1 on new kernels |
| 18:17.06 | MohammadAG | I could be wrong, but isn't it mtdblock1? |
| 18:17.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno |
| 18:18.51 | MohammadAG | well, mt*1 |
| 18:19.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd hope tg will find out, once he managed to actually *use* rescue-initrd with that fsckdup keymap |
| 18:20.34 | tg | reading the wiki :) |
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| 18:21.13 | MohammadAG | zerojay, ping |
| 18:21.42 | MohammadAG | hmm, which has the correct keymap in framebuffer, meego or the initrd image? |
| 18:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | initrd has no / |
| 18:22.41 | MohammadAG | I found a trick for that |
| 18:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | and afaik no bluekeys at all |
| 18:22.55 | MohammadAG | cd .., keep doing that till you get to / |
| 18:23.04 | MohammadAG | then use CTRL+I as tab |
| 18:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 18:23.07 | MohammadAG | works nicely :P |
| 18:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 18:23.43 | MohammadAG | and... nicolai pushed his cmaera-ui clone |
| 18:23.44 | DocScrutinizer | didn't occur to me |
| 18:24.21 | MohammadAG | that guy's awesome :D |
| 18:24.56 | MohammadAG | hmm, a binary only, oh well |
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| 18:38.58 | RST38h | HP is planning to put WebOS onto every PC it sells in 2012 in an attempt to attract developers to the platform |
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| 18:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (trick) you checked if initrd actually accepts ctrl+key? |
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| 18:39.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah |
| 18:39.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, all shells do |
| 18:40.00 | MohammadAG | well, all the ones I've used anyway |
| 18:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | meh, not all kbd driver take modifier keys though |
| 18:40.20 | MohammadAG | RST38h, I think I'll start looking at Dells now |
| 18:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | afaik rescue-initrd takes neither blue nor ctrl or shift |
| 18:41.11 | MohammadAG | nah, CTRL works |
| 18:41.15 | MohammadAG | it's a started key |
| 18:41.24 | MohammadAG | so is shift I think |
| 18:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I asked "did you check with *rescue-initrd*?" |
| 18:41.28 | MohammadAG | blue, yeah, it doesn't accept it |
| 18:41.56 | E0x | i hate this kind of thread : "Maemo Plzz Create Hd Games For Nokia N900" |
| 18:42.01 | MohammadAG | ndiswrapper crashed, yay |
| 18:42.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, iirc, yeah, ctrl works |
| 18:42.19 | MohammadAG | since I tried mounting the rootfs block |
| 18:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
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| 18:43.41 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70870 |
| 18:43.42 | RST38h | Mohammad: Why? |
| 18:43.58 | MohammadAG | Cause I'd hate WebOS as a laptop OS |
| 18:44.03 | RST38h | Mohammad: As long as that thing sits in the firmware and acts as a fast-boot environment, it should be fine |
| 18:44.24 | RST38h | Mohammad: The are notforcing it on you, Windows is still there |
| 18:44.40 | MohammadAG | oh, fast-boot |
| 18:44.42 | RST38h | javispedro will be delightedthough :) |
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| 18:44.45 | MohammadAG | then I'd love it |
| 18:44.55 | MohammadAG | as long as it's not the main OS, and Windows can die |
| 18:45.11 | MohammadAG | I'd love a Debian sticker instead of a Windows one |
| 18:45.24 | RST38h | the Nicolai guy is a freaking genius |
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| 18:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 18:45.50 | RST38h | Mohammad:Debian people are extremely anal retentive legal-wise, so no way |
| 18:45.56 | RST38h | Ubuntu maybe. Not Debian |
| 18:45.59 | MohammadAG | Ubuntu then |
| 18:52.14 | GAN900 | webOS could be interesting. |
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| 19:02.50 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: You in IL atm? |
| 19:03.28 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, yeah |
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| 19:09.20 | MohammadAG | sad how stuff like this can be ignored http://gitorious.org/qildon/hildon-desktop/commit/31dd3b35be7b1bd4b60ebcf8ac1ef786fb984215 |
| 19:12.06 | ricki8024 | hello, has anyone a tip for a recommendable repository list for a nokia n900? |
| 19:12.18 | crashanddie_ | extras |
| 19:12.43 | crashanddie_ | and that's about it, really. |
| 19:13.09 | ricki8024 | i heard about quole or something like that |
| 19:13.19 | crashanddie_ | qole |
| 19:13.30 | crashanddie_ | You asked for recommendable :) |
| 19:13.41 | ricki8024 | ah, ok :) |
| 19:13.50 | crashanddie_ | Qole is a cannuck... So we can't recommend it. |
| 19:15.50 | ricki8024 | ok, and what about a list of not so recommendable repositories? ;) |
| 19:16.08 | ricki8024 | today i was looking for netcat and didn't found it |
| 19:16.27 | MohammadAG | looks at devel and whispers along |
| 19:21.06 | GAN900 | Hey, crashanddie_. |
| 19:21.30 | divan | who is familiar with disassembling ELF binaries? |
| 19:21.30 | GAN900 | ricki8024, Extras-testing |
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| 19:23.16 | ricki8024 | extras, extras-devel, extras-testing, my-maemo.com and also qole.org doesn't list netcat or i have configured them wrong |
| 19:23.37 | ricki8024 | found qole, thanks crashanddie_ |
| 19:24.02 | GAN900 | ricki8024, my-maemo.com is a no-go. |
| 19:24.14 | ricki8024 | *disable* :) |
| 19:24.16 | crashanddie_ | hey GAN900 |
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| 19:24.35 | crashanddie_ | I'm out, talk to you later or summin |
| 19:24.41 | GAN900 | Later. |
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| 19:31.23 | tripzero | anyone know how to get the APN information out of maemo? |
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| 19:35.28 | Corsac | hmhm, to dial using sip one should select this in âcall typeâ in the phone app? |
| 19:36.27 | frals | hm, anyone know of any oss app that registers an action for contacts? |
| 19:36.49 | frals | ie adds another action along side "Call" and "SMS" |
| 19:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | ricki8024: tools |
| 19:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: yep |
| 19:40.22 | ricki8024 | i just found http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories and http://www.nokian900applications.com/more-repositories-for-nokia-n900/ . should have looked harder before asking. |
| 19:40.31 | DocScrutinizer | frals: like "MMS"? ;-D |
| 19:40.39 | frals | DocScrutinizer: yeah ;P |
| 19:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | frals: you should have better sources of info now |
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| 19:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | frals: dunno how open e.g SIP is |
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| 19:42.02 | frals | well, easier asking here if anyone has done it then running around in a huge building ;-) |
| 19:42.27 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: somehow I can't do that, typing on the âcall typeâ button doesn't give anything (while I do have a connected sip account) |
| 19:42.46 | Corsac | trying to call using a contact gives a âcall disconnectedâ message instantly |
| 19:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | heh, same problem I had, until yesterday |
| 19:43.27 | Corsac | how did you fix that? :) |
| 19:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: I assume your SIP has checked the "Use for phonecalls" |
| 19:43.38 | Corsac | hmhm |
| 19:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: I updated to PR1.3 |
| 19:43.46 | Corsac | in the advanced properties? |
| 19:43.50 | Corsac | (I have PR1.3 too) |
| 19:43.57 | Corsac | well, CSSU, so maybe there's something broken |
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| 19:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | I gather I killed that by doing apt-get autoremove |
| 19:44.35 | Corsac | how do you check the âuse for phonecallsâ? |
| 19:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I got CSSU as well |
| 19:44.41 | Corsac | I don't have that in the account properties |
| 19:44.56 | lolcat | I got to borrow a Nokia 1208 as a replacement for my phone :S |
| 19:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check |
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| 19:46.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, first option in SIP advanced |
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| 19:46.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | was gone when I got that problem |
| 19:47.12 | Corsac | weird, I don't have thjat |
| 19:47.18 | Corsac | maybe I should recreate it |
| 19:47.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | see above |
| 19:47.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't help |
| 19:47.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | something's messed up |
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| 19:50.03 | jaska | pokes the wiki with a baltic herring |
| 19:50.31 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: damn, and I forgot my password and I just deleted the account :/ |
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| 19:52.08 | slonopotamus | you deleted account without knowing password? :) |
| 19:52.24 | Corsac | yeah, but I managed to change it anyway |
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| 19:52.29 | Corsac | so it's ok but still no parameter |
| 19:52.33 | Corsac | and still âcall disconnectedâ |
| 19:53.11 | Corsac | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70255 |
| 19:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 19:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) |
| 19:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 19:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | which is exactly what I did to produce this error |
| 19:55.25 | tg | DocScrutinizer: hm this keymap is indeed fsckdup, i press the keys but nothing happens in the rescue-initrd menu |
| 19:55.50 | slonopotamus | so... where i get package install history in maemo/debian/ubuntu/whatever-deb-based? |
| 19:56.12 | MohammadAG | you don't, afaik |
| 19:56.33 | Mousey | package management != version control |
| 19:56.56 | tarantism | Hi, anyone know if the QGesture stuff works on the N900 (PR1.3)? Just tried it with no joy. |
| 19:56.58 | slonopotamus | Mousey: you don't need version control to write a log |
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| 19:57.24 | Mousey | slonopotamus: /var/log/dpkg.log? |
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| 19:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: apt-get gives me: |
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| 19:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 19:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. |
| 19:57.46 | slonopotamus | Mousey: no such thing on maemo |
| 19:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | rtcom-accounts-voip-support !!! |
| 19:58.07 | Corsac | yep |
| 19:58.27 | Mousey | slonopotamus: maybe a different place is specified in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg? |
| 19:58.31 | Corsac | it's in rc status here |
| 19:58.52 | slonopotamus | huh |
| 19:59.03 | slonopotamus | Mousey: it is commented out, obviously |
| 19:59.18 | Mousey | then it's probably not logging? |
| 19:59.55 | slonopotamus | nokians did everything (and a bit more) to turn debian base into complete crap |
| 20:00.04 | Mousey | ...point being, that's dpkg's log facility. |
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| 20:00.23 | Mousey | maybe uncomment it and logrotate ftw? |
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| 20:00.37 | slonopotamus | logrotate? no cron on maemo |
| 20:00.54 | piggz_ | Jaffa: i tweeted you |
| 20:00.57 | Mousey | oh. anacron? at? install it? |
| 20:01.06 | Mousey | idk, just tryna help |
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| 20:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: you reinstalled rtcom-accounts-voip-support? |
| 20:03.01 | Corsac | yeah |
| 20:03.07 | Corsac | juste rebooted |
| 20:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: alarmed |
| 20:03.29 | Corsac | yeah, seems to work better |
| 20:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 20:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | killed another of those fat insects ;-D |
| 20:04.25 | slonopotamus | bugs attack? |
| 20:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | now WTF is it considered free for autoremove? |
| 20:05.08 | slonopotamus | because noone deps on it? because autoremove is broken? |
| 20:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | I guess because noone depends on it - which clearly is a bug |
| 20:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, aiui the autoinstalled-tag is a bug, to start with |
| 20:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | it clearly is needed for SIP telephony, and either is a pkg of its own right, or a dependency of dialer |
| 20:08.06 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect some nerd thought it's sufficient to pull it in as a dependency of skype |
| 20:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | CBA to open a ticket :-P |
| 20:09.29 | slonopotamus | no idea. i just saw some packages gone autoremoved after installing cssu, but there was none i cared of |
| 20:09.44 | slonopotamus | 3 < some < 8 |
| 20:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | rtcom-accounts-voip-support is still there, after CSSU install |
| 20:10.08 | slonopotamus | everything's there until apt-get autoremove |
| 20:10.24 | slonopotamus | and you could have marked it as manually-installed |
| 20:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | but I most likely followed apt-get's advice to autoremove it some 4 months ago |
| 20:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, I marked nuttin in whatever way |
| 20:11.29 | slonopotamus | as i said, autoremove is broken starting from the initial idea to keep the list of auto-installed packages instead of the list of manually-requested ones. |
| 20:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | as apt is a miracle to me |
| 20:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 20:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | so it's definitely apt-get that's fsckdup? |
| 20:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, time for another edit on jr/tools |
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| 20:46.30 | lcuk | frals, what do you mean by your tweet? |
| 20:46.37 | lcuk | frals |
| 20:46.37 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.37 | lcuk | trying to figure out how to add "MMS" to osso-abook when contacts got TEL field defined, anyone able to give me a pointer? #maemo #n900 |
| 20:48.11 | tg | DocScrutinizer: \o/ got the code :) |
| 20:48.50 | MohammadAG | lcuk, telepathy more than osso-abook related |
| 20:49.00 | MohammadAG | (cc frals) |
| 20:49.14 | MohammadAG | he means he wants an MMS field, same way there's an SMS field |
| 20:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | tg: john'ed? |
| 20:49.55 | tg | yeah |
| 20:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 20:50.01 | tg | problem was that |
| 20:50.10 | tg | the first image i tried didnt have a working keyboard |
| 20:50.14 | tg | the second didnt even boot |
| 20:50.21 | tg | then it worked with 1.1.80 finally |
| 20:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | how about updating that friggin wikipage? |
| 20:50.47 | tg | i'll do that :) |
| 20:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | with the broken link |
| 20:51.00 | tg | but then there was no /dev/mtdblock1 and no mknod and no writable fs |
| 20:51.25 | tg | so i mounted an mmcblk0p2 which was writable so i could mknod there :) |
| 20:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | writeable fs? what for? |
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| 20:51.34 | tg | for mknod |
| 20:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 20:51.43 | tg | because there was no device file |
| 20:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | omfg |
| 20:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | now THATS a decent rescue tool |
| 20:52.16 | tg | btw there is no mknod either but /sbin/busybox-static mknod worked :) |
| 20:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 20:52.28 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 20:52.42 | MohammadAG | one question |
| 20:52.49 | frals | lcuk: what MohammadAG said ^ |
| 20:52.50 | MohammadAG | do you have a uSD card inserted? |
| 20:53.10 | tg | are you asking me? |
| 20:53.18 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 20:53.23 | tg | no i dont have |
| 20:53.31 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 20:53.48 | tg | only the one built-in |
| 20:54.08 | MohammadAG | oh, /home |
| 20:54.20 | lcuk | frals, MohammadAG, I guessed as much, but better to clarify - so a dedicated MMS number, like the Fax field? |
| 20:54.21 | tg | yes that's what i mounted |
| 20:55.03 | MohammadAG | lcuk, he probably wants an MMS button for every mobile number |
| 20:55.27 | MohammadAG | not for phone lines though, last I checked those still don't support MMS |
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| 20:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:55.57 | lcuk | yeah, but that is down to the telcos and homephones |
| 20:56.05 | lcuk | just like home phones now support SMS ;) |
| 20:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | this cramming of contacts with N numbers * M services is unbearable |
| 20:56.35 | lcuk | thinks the digital lady who phones and in robot voice tells me the sms |
| 20:56.42 | lcuk | is great & |
| 20:57.10 | MohammadAG | she has a Microsoft Sam-like voice when I tried it at a friend's house |
| 20:57.19 | frals | lcuk: as MohammadAG said, an MMS button for every mobile field preferably ;) |
| 20:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how that lady will tell lcuk about the picture in that MMS |
| 20:57.39 | lcuk | frals, that is a different issue in part! |
| 20:58.08 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, our homes are connected nowadays aren't they |
| 20:58.16 | lcuk | the homephone should bluetooth the MMS :P |
| 20:58.16 | frals | i got the mms button to show up but only for a separate defined field and it would only launch accounts-ui when tapped :p |
| 20:58.18 | MohammadAG | "It has awesome boobs, oh wait, no that's my pic... ah, got it..." |
| 20:59.14 | lcuk | frals, hm your basic premise is further integration |
| 20:59.29 | frals | yes |
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| 20:59.47 | frals | but i dont want to convert the whole thing to a telepathy plugin ;) |
| 21:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles about he mumbled about CSSU contacts long ago, better to do those prior to cssu-dialer |
| 21:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | AND NUKE TELEPATHY! |
| 21:00.55 | lcuk | frals, the other side of that was also at the sharing dialog |
| 21:01.09 | Macer | i like telepathy :) |
| 21:01.54 | lcuk | I knew you were going to say that. |
| 21:02.17 | Macer | well. it is pretty good |
| 21:02.30 | lcuk | i do too, and hearing DocScrutinizer say that is odd |
| 21:03.00 | Macer | heh |
| 21:03.11 | _0x47 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVogg_0Hhus |
| 21:03.25 | Macer | i am waiting for meego to be done |
| 21:03.31 | Macer | wonder if it will suck |
| 21:03.48 | lcuk | meego will grow and solidify |
| 21:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | telepathy is useless due to missing 300+ pages of docs |
| 21:04.18 | Macer | if they can get it working on something worth using it will |
| 21:04.37 | Macer | 300+ pages of docs? |
| 21:05.13 | Macer | i am not holding my breath for meego ;) |
| 21:05.17 | frals | when i was looking at it last it was missing "idiots guide to how to add mms as a plugin" ;( |
| 21:05.50 | Macer | i doubt it will ever be done at least for an n900 and i wouldnt buy another nokia abandonware device |
| 21:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | see, I generally get a generic own solution faster than I get how telepathy would do same thing for me |
| 21:06.17 | Macer | think i learned my lesson with the n8x0 and n900 :) |
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| 21:14.08 | GAN900 | frals, how's the weather? |
| 21:14.38 | frals | horrible, like always in HEL |
| 21:15.16 | GAN900 | frals, and the emotional atmosphere? *g* |
| 21:15.23 | lcuk | I thought HEL people always said weather was better yesterday |
| 21:15.48 | frals | emotionally the sun is shining |
| 21:16.37 | GAN900 | Feels like summer's here. |
| 21:16.50 | GAN900 | Touching the mid-high 80s today. |
| 21:17.19 | frals | 0C and probably 10-15m/s in wind |
| 21:17.45 | frals | can see most parts of the sidewalks now thou, first time in 4 months! |
| 21:17.46 | GAN900 | Oof |
| 21:18.56 | GAN900 | I can too! (I vacuumed a couple dumpsters worth of oak leaves out of the yard yesterday) |
| 21:19.07 | frals | hehe |
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| 21:22.57 | pupnik_ | gas now costs 10 cents a gallon |
| 21:23.25 | kwtm | Hi, MohammadAG and others. How can I play a tone of specified frequency and duration in my Python script on the N900? Is there a "tone <freq> <dur>" command, or some dbus signal I can send, or a PyGTKn900 function I can call, or (at the last resort) some C program I can compile on my N900 which can give me this capability? |
| 21:24.41 | MohammadAG | kwtm, I suck at python :p |
| 21:24.57 | MohammadAG | ask khertan when he's on, maybe frals knows |
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| 21:25.15 | kwtm | MohammadAG: How would you do it? Is there a system call? I don't want to be stuck playing sound files. |
| 21:25.35 | kwtm | you're a C++ guy, right? |
| 21:25.47 | kwtm | Oh, no, GTK. C guy, then. |
| 21:27.54 | MohammadAG | nah, Qt, so C++ |
| 21:28.18 | MohammadAG | I do some C/Gtk edits, for programming from scratch, what would take me 5 minutes with Qt takes me an hour with Gtk |
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| 21:31.11 | kwtm | Oh, good, I actually prefer KDE to Gnome, so I'd prefer to stay with Qt. So how do you make a sound with Qt/C++? (besides the sound of my grinding teeth as I try to work around Nokia's GUI?) |
| 21:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | system("sox synth...") |
| 21:38.33 | LjL | what do you suggest for easy offline maps on the N810 (aside from the built-in Maps thing)? i only really need one city at a time, so i guess i could live with multi-level bitmaps, but i'd like to be quite sure the needed city stays in the cache |
| 21:38.50 | Treibholz | does someone get erminig to work in the n900-SDK? |
| 21:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | or, if you prefer to stay with preinstalled things: system("play-sound /path/to/beep.wav") |
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| 21:45.36 | tripzero | DocScrutinizer, ew |
| 21:46.21 | tripzero | kwtm: take a look at QMultimedia |
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| 21:59.11 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: wow, didn't know sox could do that and didn't know sox was available! I have been conservative in avoiding extras-devel, but since the N900 is probably going to be the only (worthwhile) thing left afloat after the Sinking Island of Nokia, I might as well install that before everything disappears. |
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| 22:00.26 | kwtm | tripzero: Sorry, not sure where to start looking at QMultimedia. Google seems to point in irrelevant directions. Is this part of the Qt library? |
| 22:00.50 | alterego | QtMultimedia |
| 22:00.58 | alterego | Is what you're looking for |
| 22:01.49 | tripzero | kwtm, yes. look at the qt docs http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qtmultimedia.html |
| 22:02.46 | kwtm | Ahh, thanks, alterego ... much easier to find without the misspelling. :P |
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| 22:11.52 | tripzero | nobody knows how to get the APN information out of maemo? |
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| 22:20.43 | tripzero | ahh, it's in connection settings |
| 22:21.57 | kwtm | aargh, eboard is only for Diablo and not Fremantle ... :( |
| 22:22.23 | tripzero | that's eboring |
| 22:22.34 | tripzero | borderline eborked |
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| 22:35.04 | zerojay | MohammadAG: Pong? |
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| 22:37.21 | kwtm | I like eboard better than xboard, but both seem to be better than the built-in osso-chess. |
| 22:39.21 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Wow, thanks for the advice on sox. Now I can play chords instead of just single-frequency tones. I want to use musical notes to have the n900 signal me, e.g. which phone number is calling me. With sox, instead of playing 7 notes to represent the 7 digits of the phone number, I can just play 2 or 3 chords. |
| 22:39.43 | kwtm | I don't suppose there's a dbus signal for "this is the phone number of the incoming caller"? |
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| 22:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | sure there is |
| 22:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor |grep <thenumberyouknowiscalling> |
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| 22:43.29 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I was looking more for what number is calling me (including previously unknown phone numbers) and then playing various tones depending on what the number is (e.g. 123 would be do-re-mi etc.). But I didn't know about dbus-monitor, so I'll look into that. |
| 22:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | sure, I was telling you how to find the exact dbus signal that yields the number |
| 22:44.39 | kwtm | Hmm, so I guess I can start with your command to see what sort of dbus signal gets sent when someone calls my n900, and then figure out what overall format the signal (or rather the dbus-monitor output) is... |
| 22:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, given you know the number of the one calling you while monitoring |
| 22:45.59 | kwtm | before I crash my n900, please tell me: so, does dbus-monitor reply with text output and then exit, or does it stop and wait until there is a signal, or do I have to do Ctrl-C to stop it? (The last one wouldn't make sense if you're telling me to pipe it through grep.) |
| 22:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | it prints out text, and exits on ^C |
| 22:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | and of course ^C works on pipes as well |
| 22:47.12 | kwtm | Oh, so I can pipe through grep? I didn't know. Is there a "stop monitoring after 10 seconds" thing or do I have to kill it (if I'm using it in a script)? |
| 22:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | you must lill |
| 22:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | kill |
| 22:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | but I don't suggest to use that for any real app. that's clearly a debug tool only |
| 22:48.05 | kwtm | ok. testing now ... hope I'm not the first to discover some bug that requires a reflash or something <rolling eyes> |
| 22:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | for real apps there are things like dbus scripting pkg |
| 22:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I did this several times now, last time maybe 1 week ago |
| 22:48.47 | kwtm | ohh... what's the best way to have a Python script watch for an incoming phone call and do various stuff (like play notes) based on the signal? |
| 22:49.05 | kwtm | dbus scripting ... will search for it in maemo pkgs. |
| 22:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | look at how dbus scripting does it |
| 22:49.15 | alterego | python-dbus |
| 22:49.16 | alterego | Quite easy to listeen for ignals |
| 22:49.32 | alterego | One of my apps uses it I think, for listening to mafw song changes. |
| 22:51.18 | kwtm | alterego: Thanks for the advice. I do see python-dbus (yea, it's in extras and not just extras-devel!). Where can I find docs for it? Its home seems to be at freedesktop.org but there doesn't seem to be any doc for it. |
| 22:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | tbh using dbus scripting and sox I guess this can be done in ~30 lines shellscript or 40 lines python |
| 22:52.05 | alterego | It's pretty simple, let me dig up an example. |
| 22:52.08 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I have improved in my (shell) scripting skills too ... so, dbus-scripts will install utilities to let me manipulate dbus? |
| 22:52.31 | alterego | kwtm: api docs: [Dp |
| 22:52.43 | alterego | http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/api/ |
| 22:52.49 | kwtm | alterego: I haven't paid attention to the Python self-doc features ... do I need to just install it and then ... type something in the python interpreter? |
| 22:52.53 | kwtm | alterego: Ahh, will check that URL |
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| 22:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripting is a ready made daemon whatching for regex patterns on dbus signals and msgs, and executing arbitrary scripts on the particular signal |
| 22:55.34 | alterego | Yeah, that might be a better idea. |
| 22:55.41 | alterego | Using python-dbus is really easy though |
| 22:56.07 | alterego | Just create a Session or System bus: bus = dbus.SystemBus() |
| 22:57.09 | alterego | Then register a callback for a signal: bus.add_signal_receiver(callback, signal_name, interface, path = path) |
| 22:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=897443#post897443 |
| 22:57.39 | alterego | Then enter a main loop, either GMainLoop or the dbus python one |
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| 22:59.21 | kwtm | wow, I'm going to install both of these --dbus-scripts for ease and dbus-python for power. Now that Nokia is sinking, I'll have to rely on already-existent packages to hack my n900. Fortunately there is such a huge collection of these... |
| 22:59.54 | kwtm | The dbus-scripts config reminds me of cron, except I guess instead of being triggered by time, it's triggered by events... |
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| 23:00.43 | alterego | I think that was the point |
| 23:00.51 | alterego | Anyhow, I'm heading off, ttyl |
| 23:00.59 | kwtm | ... and finally, to shut up my phone, I can always install some null ringtone, I guess? |
| 23:01.04 | kwtm | thx for the help, alterego! Bye! |
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| 23:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, per-contact ringtomes. See barisione's app doing that, it might be easy to tweak to do your accords for contacts that have no particular ringtone (or a special virtual ringtone) assigned to them |
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| 23:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | actually barisione put quite some thought into coping with silencing standard ringtone, and especially re-enabling it whenever it's needed |
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| 23:07.06 | kwtm | I think that one is linked to the n900 addressbook, an item I am trying to distance myself from. I've blanked it out except for 3 or 4 phone numbers (it was choking on the large size of my addressbook before). So I'll want all of the ringtones to be calculated on the spot from the incoming call, rather than pre-specifying ringtones for the few numbers known to the n900 addressbook. |
| 23:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: "there's an app for that" been invented here, not in Cupertino |
| 23:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 23:07.21 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Ohh... ok, I should read his docs, then? |
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| 23:08.05 | raze | Hi, anyone know a nice way to open up ports? |
| 23:08.11 | kwtm | Yeah, I posted something similar in the Smartfone Arena championship about how n900 apps are created by typing 2 lines of text (as a script file) instead of having to look through some apps store. |
| 23:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | there's another one too: speak caller's number, somewhere on tmo |
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| 23:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34982 |
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| 23:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | "say who's calling" |
| 23:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | raze: C4? |
| 23:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | Semtex? |
| 23:10.29 | raze | N900? |
| 23:10.40 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Semtex is not available on Fremantle. Must be still in the alpha stage? |
| 23:10.47 | kwtm | raze: Aren't the ports open by default? |
| 23:11.09 | raze | kwtm: I doubt all are. |
| 23:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm shutting my port from outside now |
| 23:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
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| 23:17.03 | kwtm | What's the difference between a session bus and system bus (on dbus)? Is the session bus something that I create? Therefore the built-in software on N900 will all run on the system bus? And do I need to specify system bus or will dbus-scripts (and other monitors) just default to "monitor all buses" (if there is such a thing)? |
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| 23:22.24 | tripzero | kwtm, no |
| 23:22.31 | tripzero | session bus is per-user |
| 23:22.39 | tripzero | system bus is system-wide |
| 23:23.10 | tripzero | services register on a bus |
| 23:23.23 | tripzero | if you want to use a service, you need to use the bus it's registered on |
| 23:23.42 | tripzero | take a look at applications like d-feet or qdbusviewer |
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| 23:23.48 | tripzero | and you'll get the idea of how it works |
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| 23:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | afaik dbus-scripts is monitoring both busses |
| 23:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | I might be wrong though |
| 23:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | now that's definitely too short a pub visit... bbl |
| 23:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | s/'s/'s been/ |
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| 23:56.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | rsp now that's better |
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