| 00:00.07 | pupnik_ | mhm |
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| 00:02.32 | pupnik_ | omap 3 has these extra framebuffers that can be scaled for free |
| 00:02.47 | pupnik_ | used for outputting to video for e.g. |
| 00:02.53 | javispedro | yes |
| 00:03.01 | javispedro | I now remember those discussions =) |
| 00:03.04 | javispedro | you were there! |
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| 00:03.20 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 00:04.20 | pupnik_ | did i tell you i had a stroke? lost ability to speak and write words |
| 00:04.32 | pupnik_ | it was amazing |
| 00:04.32 | javispedro | yes, I remember that too. |
| 00:05.20 | pupnik_ | it would be so cool to be able to temporarily disable regions of your own brain |
| 00:05.25 | pupnik_ | and see what that feels like |
| 00:05.52 | javispedro | council nominations already flowing in! |
| 00:06.40 | javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q1_2011/Eligible_candidates |
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| 00:08.33 | javispedro | (read maemo-community mailing list if you're interested!) |
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| 00:11.44 | divan | I saw Handwriting calculator app for N800. Is is available for N900? |
| 00:18.35 | javispedro | why the hell does twitter suggest me to follow "Women's Wear Daily", "The Dalai Lama", and "Preschoolers" twitter feeds RIGHT after following lcuk??? |
| 00:19.29 | javispedro | not that I blame lcuk, as he's not following any of those... but c'mon twitter, you can do better... |
| 00:20.26 | Proteous | heh |
| 00:20.53 | Proteous | pupnik_: they can do that with strong magnetic fields |
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| 00:23.39 | pupnik_ | how do you know javispedro :0 |
| 00:24.50 | pupnik_ | Proteous: cool http://www.reasons.org/evolution/consciousness/magnets-and-morality |
| 00:27.11 | Proteous | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation |
| 00:27.16 | Proteous | that is the tech they use to do it |
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| 02:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | funny detail: modest popped up several warning banners about "host IP or port not reachable", "authentication failed" etc, and usually froze on one those. No task switching possible, of course no closing of the requester. Though there was still click feedback by audio and vib. I usually was able to kill it via powerbutton->kill-current-task, but one time I went fancy and opened an xterm which of course also opened blurred under the banner. |
| 02:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | When I closed that one via powerbutton, the banner hoovered over desktop screen, and no more "kill-current-task" in powerbutton :-P ==> powerdown/reboot |
| 02:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | (in case you wonder: I opened the xterm via kbd-shortcut) |
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| 02:35.43 | pupnik | mornin DocScrutinizer |
| 02:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | in case you want to reproduce: create an imap account with server URL that has a typo, and select TLS for transport security |
| 02:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | then proceed to SMTP server and there you as well select TLS but with a correct server URL |
| 02:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | moin pupnik |
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| 02:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | waves at javispedro |
| 03:00.25 | pupnik | wonderful to see albions 3d engine zip along on device |
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| 03:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_discharge_learn_log |
| 03:35.19 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: i discharged then connected. device started doin many strange things |
| 03:35.28 | pupnik | short red led blinks |
| 03:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 03:35.39 | pupnik | then restarts to grey screen |
| 03:35.48 | pupnik | then restarts to white screen |
| 03:35.59 | pupnik | looping restarts about 30 min |
| 03:36.22 | pupnik | connected charger |
| 03:36.38 | pupnik | charging works fine when booted normally |
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| 03:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's a result of a depleted battery plus a charger with high impedance/low power |
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| 03:38.53 | pupnik | could be the dodgy usb |
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| 04:18.36 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: whastcha listenin to |
| 04:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | err? |
| 04:24.59 | pupnik | music, podcasts... |
| 04:27.55 | pupnik | http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/node/34712 real democratic revolution (anti US) vs fake democratic revolution (staged by us) |
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| 04:45.20 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/ |
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| 06:13.25 | ilius | why someone do not edit wikipedia article for maemo? |
| 06:13.34 | ilius | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo |
| 06:13.50 | ilius | for example it says "discontinued, now part of MeeGo" |
| 06:15.08 | ilius | i have not enough knowledge and not much familiar with wiki |
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| 06:28.19 | internetishard | you guys up iptables or thought much about securing the n900? |
| 06:29.03 | chx | dont want to sound like an ass but asks the guy who is logged in as root into irc? |
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| 06:29.58 | internetishard | It is a VM, no sweat |
| 06:30.07 | internetishard | besides, Stallman ran as root ;] |
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| 06:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 06:49.20 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 06:54.29 | ruskie | http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/08/nokia_microsoft_deal/ <-- hmm |
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| 07:03.38 | RST38h | ruskie: everybody kinda suspected this |
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| 07:04.22 | RST38h | except that it will not make WP7 suddenly not suck |
| 07:04.33 | ruskie | true |
| 07:04.50 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/08/microsoft_mobile_marketshare_slips_further/ <-- here's the other relevant news ;) |
| 07:05.22 | RST38h | Yeah, also knownnews |
| 07:05.39 | RST38h | As well as the fact that WinMo 6.x sells more devices than WP7 |
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| 07:07.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | bother to summarize in one short sentence? |
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| 07:09.17 | RST38h | Doc: Summarize what? |
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| 07:09.48 | AsiQue | Jaffa: here? |
| 07:09.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | the 'news' of M$ nokia deal |
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| 07:11.11 | RST38h | Doc: MS paid Nokia $1b to make it "choose" WP7 |
| 07:11.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 07:11.50 | RST38h | Nokia will still pay licensing fees on WP7, per handset, but that is in the future. |
| 07:12.45 | RST38h | Some MS ghoul quoted as being "very happy" about the deal. You can cry now. |
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| 07:12.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | makes mental note to check his virtual Nokia shares |
| 07:12.58 | smhar | that is not a problem for Nokia. They will not pay much for licensing anyway :-) |
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| 07:16.27 | AsiQue | endgadget just called Meego, "Intel's MeeGo OS"... snif snif! |
| 07:16.38 | RST38h | Is it not? |
| 07:16.51 | AsiQue | it's just sad :-! |
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| 07:17.15 | ilius | why someone do not edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo ? for example it says "discontinued, now part of MeeGo". I don't have enough knowledge and not much familiar with wiki |
| 07:17.21 | RST38h | Looking at the size and ubiquity of Intel, it is probably not sad. |
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| 07:20.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo declaring its own death on wikipedia is sad though |
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| 07:34.05 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer51: it's kinda weird since maemo is still so much better than alternatives |
| 07:34.15 | timeless_xchat | anyone here have any pending flights in the next couple of weeks? |
| 07:34.29 | pupnik | i've got way more useful stuff on the n900 than on the android tablet |
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| 07:34.42 | pupnik | more games too, better games |
| 07:34.46 | pupnik | why timeless_xchat |
| 07:35.09 | timeless_xchat | i want to test a tool that deals in amadeus references |
| 07:35.19 | timeless_xchat | (n900) |
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| 07:35.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | amadeus, how you'd access that? |
| 07:36.02 | timeless_xchat | shrugs |
| 07:36.06 | timeless_xchat | not my tool |
| 07:36.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | oO |
| 07:37.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | wouldn't you at least need h-e-n, an ethermet adapter, and a hub, to wiretap the terminal in terminal? |
| 07:38.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | at terminal |
| 07:38.46 | timeless_xchat | ??? |
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| 07:40.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | I thought amadeus is a closed system managing all the checkin and baggage and tickets and flight schedules and and and... |
| 07:41.17 | smhar | I finished flashing my N900 to PR1.3, but I see in the list of installable applications pyqt 1.2 . is something wrong? |
| 07:41.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably some ticket resellers may access parts thru a web interface |
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| 07:41.43 | timeless_xchat | *shrug* |
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| 07:41.52 | timeless_xchat | this app clearly has a gateway |
| 07:42.00 | timeless_xchat | i've used it before |
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| 07:42.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | gateway == HTML via the internets I gather |
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| 07:43.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | HTTP even |
| 07:43.19 | rhkfin | 1) Any idea why it's not possible to take a photo while speaking on the phone 2) What's the logic behind keyboard behaviour in application menu? |
| 07:45.41 | jonwil | #1 is because you cant play the shutter sound at the same time as call audio |
| 07:45.42 | pupnik | ~lart rhkfin |
| 07:45.42 | infobot | wallops rhkfin with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 07:45.44 | smhar | isn't there a PR1.3 of PyQT? |
| 07:46.18 | rhkfin | jonwil: I have the shutter sound disabled.. |
| 07:46.24 | jonwil | no idea then |
| 07:46.32 | rhkfin | pupnik: ? |
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| 07:46.49 | jonwil | but I do know the law in some counries makes it illegal for cellphone cameras not to play a shutter sound |
| 07:47.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | rhkfin: 2) is answered on MHD wesite |
| 07:47.23 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer51: ok, thanks (will go to find what's MHD ;) |
| 07:47.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | rhkfin: see my tools website, there's a link |
| 07:47.59 | rhkfin | jonwil: yes, I've heard that too, but maemo seems to allow disabling it anyway |
| 07:48.00 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer51: ok |
| 07:48.04 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.14 | rhkfin | pupnik: thanks! |
| 07:48.20 | pupnik | np |
| 07:48.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically qwer/asdf/zxcv are graphically mapped to the icons |
| 07:49.11 | rhkfin | ah, right.. |
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| 07:49.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | bs goes up one menu, if you got catorize or apmefo |
| 07:49.42 | rhkfin | hey, that's great! |
| 07:49.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | same works on appswitcher |
| 07:50.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | plus there you can close apps with shift+key |
| 07:50.26 | rhkfin | awesome! |
| 07:50.46 | rhkfin | What's the place I should've read to learn this? |
| 07:51.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | my user?joerg_rw/tools wikipage |
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| 07:51.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's a link to matans site |
| 07:51.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | and a video :-D |
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| 07:52.42 | timeless_xchat | docscrutinizer, typically, yes |
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| 07:53.53 | rhkfin | is MHD installed by default or does it come with CSSU? |
| 07:54.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | cssu |
| 07:54.33 | timeless_xchat | docscrutinizer : any way to scroll? |
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| 07:54.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | scroll? on HD? |
| 07:55.17 | timeless_xchat | the launcher |
| 07:55.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | none I know of |
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| 07:57.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd prefer a cursorkeys based highlighting frame rather than - or additional to - this graphic mapping |
| 07:57.15 | rhkfin | +1 |
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| 08:02.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | use apmefo to have short menues |
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| 08:02.23 | rhkfin | one thing I'd miss is that pressing ctrl+bs in task switcher would take me to app list |
| 08:02.43 | rhkfin | I see that I can change the behaviour of ctrl+bs, but that's permanent.. |
| 08:03.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, maybe enter or space |
| 08:03.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ctrl-bs is already used for swapping aps like alt-tab on 'real' PC |
| 08:04.16 | rhkfin | On desktop, left top takes you to task switcher, where left top button takes you to app list. On desktop, ctrl+bs takes you to task switcher - it'd be very logical if I could 'continue' from there to app list.. |
| 08:04.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | matan told me something about F9 or whatever |
| 08:05.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe that's been for menues *in* apps though |
| 08:05.19 | rhkfin | ok.. |
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| 08:05.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly MHD could use some streamlining |
| 08:06.01 | rhkfin | well, I'd be happy with _any_ button to take me from task switcehr to app list, now that I can use keyboard on app list.. |
| 08:06.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 08:06.42 | rhkfin | \o/ Left and right arrows change desktops in the home screen. |
| 08:09.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | and bs in applauncher menu brings you 'up' to taskswitcher - redundant function but well |
| 08:10.02 | rhkfin | why is it redundant? |
| 08:10.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | what we'd need would be bs in taskswitcher to bring you to desktop |
| 08:10.23 | rhkfin | .. bs doesn't take one... exactly my point. |
| 08:10.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | ctrl-bs does same |
| 08:10.47 | rhkfin | ah, right... |
| 08:11.00 | rhkfin | (but doesn't take one again back to app list ) |
| 08:12.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's the problem: desktops, aplist, and app menues |
| 08:12.31 | rhkfin | yes, moving between those three |
| 08:12.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | and cursor keys to move a highlight |
| 08:12.37 | rhkfin | yes |
| 08:12.41 | rhkfin | (incl. scrolling down) |
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| 08:13.04 | lardman | morning all |
| 08:13.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | enter down, bs up. space for select |
| 08:13.48 | lardman | quick diff question, I've generated an almighty diff of the Samsung kernel patches, is is possible to split this into individual patches which are placed in their original dir structure? |
| 08:13.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | or s/up/out/ s/down/in/ if you want |
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| 08:14.12 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer51: yes |
| 08:14.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | in to applauncher, out back to taskswitcher and then to desktop |
| 08:15.07 | rhkfin | +1 |
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| 08:16.28 | rhkfin | Hmm.. I didn't try taking photo using blessN900.. that might work.. |
| 08:16.37 | rhkfin | (or maybe it's more low level :/ |
| 08:16.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, we could handle desktop and launcher like tasks |
| 08:16.47 | rhkfin | (taking photo during a call, I mean) |
| 08:17.04 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer51: interesting idea! |
| 08:17.21 | jonwil | hopes we dont have to wait months to hear from qgill in regards to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11128#c8 :P |
| 08:17.23 | povbot | Bug 11128: Opening the source for Sharing services framework |
| 08:17.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | should be simple to start a desktop proxy task |
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| 08:17.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | and a launcher proxy task |
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| 08:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | I gather taskswitcher has to be open, otherwise Matan couldn't have patched it. So it shouldn't be too hard to patch it some more to have at least 2 mini screens always even without any started task: desktop and applauncher |
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| 08:25.21 | rhkfin | agreed |
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| 08:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, a desktop proxy task would work as well. On selecting it, it just switches desktop to front immediately (and takes a snapshot of desktop to display in its own window, so you get a small image of desktop in taskswitcher - though I'd prefer a very obvious simple icon over a real desktop snapshot. Like e.g a lemon-green square with a white D in it) |
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| 08:36.34 | rhkfin | I have no idea how the task switcher works but could one have two icons on the top/bottom/left/right that'd take you to desktop or app list? That'd keep the actual task list clean for apps |
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| 08:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | err, you already got one icon top left |
| 08:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | the problem is you can't select this icon right now, while tasks you can select with several methods |
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| 08:38.15 | rhkfin | right |
| 08:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | actually 3 methods, one of then working for icon as well :-D |
| 08:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | you might consider "background" as the second icon |
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| 08:40.58 | rhkfin | true.. |
| 08:41.32 | rhkfin | not very easy to find for new users (neither is ctrl+bs ;) but that's not a huge issue, I guess.. |
| 08:42.07 | norayr | trx: hey, any progress on compiling your project? |
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| 08:46.08 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer51: has someone tested&reported if you scripts (wiki/joerg/tools) work on PR1.3 |
| 08:46.12 | rhkfin | your |
| 08:47.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, most of that went into CSSU anyway, except of course for the cmdline things that for sure work on 1.3 as well |
| 08:48.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | MHD for example works with PR1.3+ CSSU just like it did for my tweaked 1.2 |
| 08:48.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | keyboard CR issue seems to be fixed as well, so that's also void |
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| 08:50.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | key-repeat wwwwwwwwworks also :-D |
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| 08:51.16 | smhar | how come there are still packages in the extra repo with 1.2 version? are they ok to run with PR1.3 sys? |
| 08:51.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just would like to tweak the chars/s setting for key-repeat |
| 08:51.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly they are |
| 08:54.29 | khertan | Morning |
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| 09:05.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | morning |
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| 09:41.33 | macmaN | whats up guys |
| 09:41.53 | macmaN | following http://wiki.maemo.org/Port_an_existing_Debian_package should be good enough to get tmux on maemo? |
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| 09:47.44 | macmaN | synergy running on fremantle would also be nice, i'd like to easily control the n900 with laptop keyboard |
| 09:48.09 | ruskie | hmm I thought that was already around |
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| 09:49.13 | macmaN | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46557 this doesnt seem to gve much hope |
| 09:49.44 | macmaN | oh wait http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=513740&postcount=33 gives hope :) |
| 09:49.54 | timeless_office | so, i just got a new toy |
| 09:50.04 | timeless_office | and well, it's pretty amazing how one can screw up the home screen |
| 09:50.35 | macmaN | timeless_office: what toy is that |
| 09:50.39 | timeless_office | n8 |
| 09:51.00 | timeless_office | needs to look for en-us firmware to see if it sucks less |
| 09:51.43 | ruskie | does it actually do anything other than looking shiny? |
| 09:52.39 | timeless_office | it looks like crap |
| 09:52.40 | timeless_office | photos coming |
| 09:53.14 | crashanddie | "A California couple whose wedding plans appeared thwarted when a lung infection landed the groom in the isolation ward of a hospital were married over the weekend, in a ceremony conducted over Skype." |
| 09:53.22 | crashanddie | Sounds like an episode of House. |
| 09:53.36 | timeless_office | heh |
| 09:54.13 | ruskie | lol |
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| 09:54.35 | ruskie | timeless_office, you mean it doesn't look as shiny as this: http://events.nokia.com/nokian8/home.html ? |
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| 09:55.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:55.51 | Jaffa | AsiQue: pong |
| 09:55.59 | SpeedEvil | Morning! |
| 09:56.13 | crashanddie | morning Jaffa |
| 09:56.51 | ruskie | lets say morning... |
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| 09:58.10 | timeless_office | ruskie: this is what i saw when i reached the home screen: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/n8/source/20110308_001.jpg |
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| 10:00.19 | lcuk3 | timeless_office, hm |
| 10:00.37 | lcuk3 | the page offers wrong mime type when you try and view full/raw image |
| 10:00.51 | lcuk3 | and downloads as binary text |
| 10:01.15 | lcuk3 | (right click, view image) |
| 10:01.24 | lcuk3 | so that I could scale it |
| 10:02.41 | macmaN | lcuk3: :) im with you on that, but obv a tad lazier to have typed it up here |
| 10:02.59 | timeless_office | lcuk3: the web page is magical |
| 10:03.23 | timeless_office | you can use ?raw=1&ctype=image/jpeg if you want something else |
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| 10:04.18 | lcuk | thanks for the workaround timeless_office \o |
| 10:04.37 | lcuk | btw, that occured on mozilla firefox from a mozilla server ;) |
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| 10:04.51 | macmaN | good pt |
| 10:05.03 | macmaN | damn i feel like yesman |
| 10:05.29 | timeless_office | :) |
| 10:05.46 | lcuk | lol |
| 10:05.47 | Cor-Ai | macmaN: wana give me like 1500000$? |
| 10:05.54 | lcuk | timeless_office, now I also have to rotate laptop! :P |
| 10:06.21 | lcuk | what is wrong with the homescreen ? |
| 10:06.42 | macmaN | Cor-Ai: yeah just as soon as one of my 15000000 invoices have been paid |
| 10:06.47 | timeless_office | lcuk: do you usually write her€ ? |
| 10:07.15 | timeless_office | it's actually closer to herε |
| 10:07.16 | Cor-Ai | macmaN: :0 |
| 10:07.43 | lcuk | lol timeless_office - clipping captions is all the rage |
| 10:07.52 | lcuk | it has gone from me getting shouted at it for years |
| 10:07.58 | lcuk | but now it is fashionable ;) |
| 10:08.23 | timeless_office | lcuk: wp7 does it in a way that teaches you that areas are pannable |
| 10:08.30 | timeless_office | that doesn't apply her! |
| 10:08.50 | timeless_office | you can't see the 'e' properly, and it isn't better in landscape in case you were wondering :) |
| 10:08.59 | lcuk | timeless_office, what happens if it is pannable but with a short caption? |
| 10:09.25 | timeless_office | generally it shows you extra things that come from adjacent views |
| 10:09.46 | lcuk | I know |
| 10:12.00 | AsiQue | Hey Jaffa, 1 sec |
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| 10:14.49 | timeless_office | lcuk; the short answer is that wp7 just gets that stuff right |
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| 10:29.25 | AsiQue | Jaffa, i want to tkae bug 11990... |
| 10:29.26 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11990 resize patch against PR1.3 hildon-home |
| 10:29.54 | Jaffa | AsiQue: Are you the person who's been attaching better patches to it? |
| 10:30.11 | AsiQue | no... |
| 10:31.15 | Jaffa | AsiQue: I suggest you add some comments to the issue then, commenting on the patches pk attached and offering to polish them up into a merge request. |
| 10:32.00 | AsiQue | ok :-) |
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| 10:39.10 | macmaN | is it possible to install git on n900? |
| 10:39.15 | macmaN | enough room on rootfs? |
| 10:39.43 | macmaN | hmm there is no git-core package even it seems |
| 10:39.51 | ruskie | there is git available somewhere iirc |
| 10:40.08 | ruskie | and remember /optification... |
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| 10:40.24 | alterego | I think it's in the sdk tools repository |
| 10:40.55 | macmaN | ruskie: optification meaning apt-get or having to repackage or what |
| 10:40.59 | macmaN | some apt-get magic switch* |
| 10:41.17 | macmaN | gentoo portage seems so much better right now than apt :) |
| 10:41.44 | ruskie | optification meaning that stuff gets modified and installed to /opt and then symlinked to rootfs |
| 10:42.06 | ruskie | there's a few tools for it out there |
| 10:42.07 | macmaN | mhm, i did that manually for git on openwrt |
| 10:42.21 | ruskie | iirc maemo-optify |
| 10:42.31 | ruskie | which hav maemo-optify and maemo-optify-deb that works directly on debs |
| 10:43.04 | macmaN | okay |
| 10:43.06 | macmaN | thanks |
| 10:43.23 | rhkfin | I had git installed at some point on N900 |
| 10:43.34 | FauxFaux | has it installed; used for backups. |
| 10:43.56 | rhkfin | no idea where did I find it if not from repositories.. |
| 10:45.27 | ruskie | the sdk repos probably |
| 10:45.36 | macmaN | i use it for /etc management |
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| 10:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | maemo-optify-deb? o.O |
| 10:48.06 | macmaN | well ill be damned |
| 10:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | so is there a maemo-UNoptify-deb as well? |
| 10:48.36 | macmaN | By default, the N900 sets a random MAC address for the USB interface every time you reboot. This makes some operating systems (Mac OS X) detect a new device whenever you connect the N900 and ask you to configure the network interface. The solutions is to set a fixed MAC address |
| 10:48.44 | macmaN | this has been driving me bonkers |
| 10:49.16 | lcuk | you are macman |
| 10:49.25 | lcuk | talking about mac addresses |
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| 10:49.26 | lcuk | from your mac |
| 10:49.47 | lcuk | I would have thought this was your ideal time to shine! |
| 10:50.05 | rhkfin | eating BigMac |
| 10:50.42 | macmaN | lcuk: lol im sitting behin my mobile puter right now |
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| 10:51.04 | macmaN | which is an acer timeline |
| 10:51.41 | macmaN | my maccy is on standby http://osxdaily.com/2010/12/11/mac-setups-stand-up-mac-workstation/ |
| 10:52.10 | macmaN | if i didnt join this channel just today, i could claim that irssi shot on the right is #maemo |
| 10:53.09 | macmaN | ok madde resetting itself to 192.168.2.15 is annoying as hellz |
| 10:53.23 | lcuk | macmaN, I find standup desks only work if you also have a wall to lean against |
| 10:53.41 | lcuk | rm_you prototyped this once. |
| 10:54.52 | macmaN | lcuk: my experience is you need a switchable setup, so you can alternate, something like 30min/30min or whatever cycle |
| 10:54.55 | macmaN | sit/stand |
| 10:55.02 | macmaN | wall could also work, havent tried that |
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| 10:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | random MAC addr on USB? LOL - OM fixed this like 3 years ago |
| 10:56.12 | lcuk | macmaN, you need room to move around certainly |
| 10:56.32 | lcuk | in other places with standup stations, also having coffee and food service helps |
| 10:57.11 | lcuk | (on the other side of room) |
| 10:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | >> This is not a spam If you don’t want to receive this message to your e-mail, call this number and refuse it - spell your e-mail<< |
| 11:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | + 1 - 646 - ... somebody to give this guy a visit and let him know? |
| 11:06.44 | khertan | :) |
| 11:10.29 | khertan | lcuk, i know you are always testing the last Meego version on your n900, did last version have fixed wifi settings ? |
| 11:10.46 | khertan | i didn't found that on the qa report |
| 11:10.48 | khertan | s |
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| 11:12.28 | lcuk | khertan, which bug number was the bug marked as? |
| 11:12.39 | lcuk | and if you say "I did not file one" I cannot help |
| 11:14.04 | lcuk | khertan, so grab latest daily testing image and check, wifi works for people, but if you have specific issue, get it filed so the right people can track/manage it |
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| 11:21.24 | Venemo | hey khertan, I've been looking for you :) |
| 11:22.12 | khertan | lcuk, didn't remember the bug number but was already referenced ... :) so i ll try myself :) thx for the info |
| 11:22.21 | Lantizia | OK So I've hung on to the belief that Nokia went for this WP7 deal to get $1bn... keep the Symbian end a-float a bit with something new... and eventually get back around to MeeGo one day... basically use-n-abuse MS as a commercial decision only to stop claims Nokia/Symbian aren't going anywhere... |
| 11:22.35 | lcuk | khertan, https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=wifi |
| 11:22.37 | khertan | never found something with bugzilla search |
| 11:22.39 | Lantizia | But now they've sold Qt... so if they were serious with MeeGo in the future, surely they'd hang on to it? |
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| 11:24.04 | Venemo | khertan, how hard would it be to make KhtEditor run C files? |
| 11:25.08 | khertan | Venemo, run c file ? |
| 11:25.18 | khertan | you mean compile them before and then run them ? |
| 11:25.19 | Lava_Croft | Lantizia: they sold Qt? |
| 11:25.27 | Lava_Croft | Lantizia: are you sure? |
| 11:25.37 | Lava_Croft | or are you just copying slashdot and other not-so-well-informed sources |
| 11:25.38 | khertan | Lantizia, they didn't sold qt |
| 11:25.53 | Lava_Croft | slashdot & friends have trouble reading |
| 11:25.53 | khertan | Lantizia, they sold the right to do commercial support to digia |
| 11:26.20 | Lava_Croft | basically, anyone wanting to use Qt, but cant/doesnt want to use the open license |
| 11:26.42 | Lava_Croft | mostly medical, military etc |
| 11:26.45 | timeless_office | e.g. who wants someone they can sue |
| 11:26.53 | Lava_Croft | its not about the sue |
| 11:26.54 | timeless_office | or needs commercial support |
| 11:27.06 | Lava_Croft | its about some lines of business not being able to open source |
| 11:27.28 | timeless_office | err |
| 11:27.31 | timeless_office | that only applied to GPL |
| 11:27.39 | timeless_office | Nokia already licenses Qt under LGPL |
| 11:27.51 | Lava_Croft | thats still too open for some lines of business |
| 11:27.51 | Lantizia | Well I did read it correctly but seriously if the ability to license it has been sold, the 19 employees have moved, the existing enterprise customers have gone... what's left? |
| 11:28.01 | Lantizia | Nokia hosting the code, oh and maybe a trademark |
| 11:28.10 | Lava_Croft | Lantizia: all qt development remains at nokia |
| 11:28.17 | timeless_office | as long as you don't make changes to Qt itself, you generally don't need to worry about the license of your code for just linking to Qt(LGPL) |
| 11:28.23 | Lantizia | Lava_Croft, development of Qt can be done by anyone |
| 11:28.23 | Lava_Croft | well, not all, but mainly it does |
| 11:28.36 | Lava_Croft | timeless_office: that still is not enough for some lines of business |
| 11:28.52 | Lava_Croft | im not trying to defend the stance, but thats just how it is in the world |
| 11:29.49 | Lantizia | Plus... Nokia have had Trolltech a long time now... why wait until after the WP7 deal to do this? |
| 11:29.59 | Lava_Croft | Lantizia: but nokia wants to do it themselves too |
| 11:30.08 | Lava_Croft | Lantizia: they didnt 'wait' |
| 11:30.12 | Lantizia | Lava_Croft, do what themselves? |
| 11:30.15 | Lava_Croft | they have been looking for a good company to take it over |
| 11:30.22 | Lava_Croft | Lantizia: developing qt |
| 11:30.31 | Lava_Croft | digia is iirc also a finnish company |
| 11:30.48 | Lantizia | so these 19 employees aren't what is left of the Qt team then after the walk outs? |
| 11:31.08 | Lava_Croft | i dont know any numbers about employers |
| 11:31.12 | Lava_Croft | i dont have access to such data |
| 11:31.32 | khertan | lcuk, something i didn't understand is the difference between trunk and testing ... are there a real difference ? |
| 11:31.42 | Lantizia | http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2011/03/08/nokia-sells-bulk-qt-business-digia.htm |
| 11:32.59 | timeless_office | lantizia: they're basically PSO / Sales |
| 11:33.11 | Lava_Croft | i dont see how that article is any good |
| 11:33.17 | Lava_Croft | or better than the other 5000 articles |
| 11:33.25 | Lava_Croft | at least its not saying that nokia sold qt, so good link |
| 11:33.32 | Lantizia | fair enough - the way that article reads it is as though it is as a result of the WP7 deal |
| 11:33.35 | lcuk | khertan, only in the place in the pipeline |
| 11:33.39 | Lava_Croft | Lantizia: but its not |
| 11:33.41 | Lantizia | ok |
| 11:33.47 | Lava_Croft | they have been looking for a company to take over since 2010 |
| 11:33.50 | Lava_Croft | all the year |
| 11:34.00 | Lava_Croft | and probably planned it before than |
| 11:34.02 | Lava_Croft | that* |
| 11:34.08 | Lava_Croft | it kind of makes sense too |
| 11:34.16 | lcuk | khertan, Testing branch is like having a fistula on a cow |
| 11:34.17 | Lava_Croft | the stuff they sold to digia isnt really a nokia business |
| 11:34.24 | lcuk | you get to see the patches and work as it is ongoing |
| 11:34.24 | Lava_Croft | not a core business |
| 11:34.35 | Lantizia | no I gathered that when they bought trolltech |
| 11:34.36 | Lava_Croft | and they didnt sell it to some random company merely to get some $$$ |
| 11:35.04 | Lava_Croft | qt will still remain a factor for nokia in the future, i personally think |
| 11:35.14 | macmaN | whats the recommended way to add/remove a new nameserver in pcsuite-enable.sh/disable.sh |
| 11:35.52 | macmaN | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking says add them manually, but it seems that all lookups will timeout on local dnsmasq for a long time |
| 11:35.58 | macmaN | before hitting the next option |
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| 11:39.54 | Venemo | khertan: yes. compile, copy the executable to /tmp and run |
| 11:48.49 | LjL | Venemo: i want my N810 back now ;( |
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| 11:48.56 | Venemo | LjL: ? :P |
| 11:49.02 | LjL | Venemo: gave it to my sister :P |
| 11:49.49 | LjL | told her to make sure she plays Puzzle Master a lot as it was basically ported specifically for her :D |
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| 12:01.53 | Venemo | LjL: hehe :P |
| 12:02.27 | Venemo | LjL: did she like it? |
| 12:02.42 | Lantizia | Lava_Croft, so do you suspect this Nokia/MS arrangement is as water tight as the Apple/MS arrangement back in the 90's? Take them for their money, look a bit stronger because of it... revert back later? |
| 12:02.51 | Venemo | LjL: did your sister like the N810 |
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| 12:03.58 | LjL | Venemo: yes i think she quite appreciated it. of course she isn't yet fully aware of the slowness of the browser and other things :P (i'll just make sure she never uses my Android phone so she doesn't find out =) |
| 12:04.25 | LjL | on the plus side compared to an Android tablet, i think she might like the telepathy functionality |
| 12:04.34 | LjL | Android's chat applications are terrible |
| 12:05.34 | Venemo | LjL: :) |
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| 12:09.52 | macmaN | ok yeah its confirmed |
| 12:10.03 | macmaN | synergy on n900 is pure awesomeness |
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| 12:11.17 | AsiQue | macmaN: synergy as in sharing a keyboard and mouse? |
| 12:11.27 | Lava_Croft | Lantizia: no |
| 12:11.33 | Venemo | so khertan, how hard would it be to do this? |
| 12:11.33 | macmaN | yessir |
| 12:11.44 | AsiQue | cool...! |
| 12:12.54 | Lava_Croft | macmaN: any thread link orso? |
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| 12:13.13 | macmaN | Lava_Croft: for setting it up? |
| 12:13.28 | Lava_Croft | theres a package in the repos? |
| 12:13.37 | macmaN | no |
| 12:13.40 | Lava_Croft | aw |
| 12:13.46 | macmaN | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=513740&postcount=33 |
| 12:13.50 | macmaN | apt-get install libxinerama1 |
| 12:13.59 | macmaN | and then copy easydebian's binary |
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| 12:14.38 | macmaN | its v1.3.1 and i noticed synergy has picked up development again |
| 12:14.44 | macmaN | moved to synergy-foss.org and all |
| 12:14.49 | macmaN | newest is 1.4.2 beta |
| 12:15.01 | macmaN | the new interactive configurer is pretty nice on windows (QT power!) |
| 12:15.06 | macmaN | dragndropping screens around |
| 12:15.41 | macmaN | how do you make synergyc autostart on n900 |
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| 12:16.35 | macmaN | theres no /etc/init.d/local.start |
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| 12:22.36 | macmaN | hrm yeah a cursor would definitely help.. |
| 12:22.41 | macmaN | esc doesnt clear menus |
| 12:22.48 | macmaN | enter brings up virtual keyboard.. |
| 12:23.08 | macmaN | screen switches off |
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| 12:23.37 | macmaN | and damn i just tried to touchscreen my laptop |
| 12:23.41 | macmaN | needs a break |
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| 12:37.14 | macmaN | yey my first maemo wiki contribution http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_USB_networking&diff=42472&oldid=41627 |
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| 12:37.46 | khertan | Venemo, better providing a custom command line ... |
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| 12:37.51 | khertan | in preferences |
| 12:37.58 | khertan | with a set by language ? |
| 12:38.30 | Venemo | khertan: why? |
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| 12:41.18 | khertan | Venemo, because compilation option aren't the same for all project |
| 12:41.36 | khertan | maybe a project file could be good tooo |
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| 12:46.46 | lcuk | khertan, "make" |
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| 12:53.39 | Venemo | khertan: if (projecttype == "C") { callCCompiler(); runCCode(); } |
| 12:53.50 | Venemo | anyway, I have to leave now |
| 12:53.52 | Venemo | bb |
| 12:57.22 | auenf | boo, speedtest.net flash is broken on n900 now |
| 12:58.38 | macmaN | hrm... gentoo-portage on tablets sounds like a good idea |
| 12:59.35 | macmaN | ehh -prefix i mean |
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| 13:00.04 | jonwil | One of these days I wanna see a full Gentoo install running on a phone :P |
| 13:00.41 | macmaN | jonwil: doesnt this already do it? https://github.com/slonopotamus/n8x0-overlay/wiki/boot |
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| 13:01.21 | jonwil | I said "phone", not "tablet" :P |
| 13:01.32 | macmaN | word |
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| 13:02.16 | lcuk | jonwil, technically, isn't that gentoo package *still* building on his n810 :P |
| 13:02.34 | jonwil | I am sure you could even get cell modem stuff working if you ported ofono |
| 13:03.01 | lcuk | if you are going that far, why not just self build meego? |
| 13:03.09 | jonwil | yeah good point :P |
| 13:03.22 | jonwil | It was more a "would be cool to see |
| 13:03.27 | jonwil | than a "hey, I wanna do this" |
| 13:03.29 | jonwil | :P |
| 13:04.21 | jonwil | Gentoo on a desktop PC is fun though |
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| 13:04.47 | jonwil | More fun and interesting than something pedestrian like Ubuntu or Fedora :P |
| 13:05.33 | lcuk | desktop is a different playground |
| 13:07.03 | jonwil | he N900 is still the best phone ever IMO :P |
| 13:07.52 | macmaN | aha! now its not a tablet anymore is it |
| 13:08.13 | jonwil | The guide you linked to was for the N800/N810 |
| 13:08.17 | jonwil | and not the N900 |
| 13:08.34 | macmaN | lol ok i misunderstood |
| 13:10.07 | jonwil | The only thing I dont like about the N900 is that it doesn't have features that are standard on just about every other phone out there |
| 13:11.52 | macmaN | and same the other way around :) |
| 13:12.14 | macmaN | i'm foreseeing lots of fun watching emerge dependency calculations on n900 |
| 13:12.27 | MohammadAG | ZogG, did "IL Orange" change to "orange"? |
| 13:12.44 | MohammadAG | it kinda made my home screen look shitty :/ |
| 13:12.54 | macmaN | maybe i should paint some wall and blog about how watching it dry compares to watching emerge on n900 |
| 13:13.10 | jonwil | Still, if there is community interest and a little bit bit of help from Nokia in a few places, there is no reason the N900 couldn't support some of these missing functions |
| 13:13.40 | jonwil | If it wasn't for the bug in libsms/csd-sms, I would have had Cell Broadcast up and running by now |
| 13:14.32 | frals | what bug? |
| 13:16.29 | jonwil | see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8347#c13 |
| 13:16.30 | povbot | Bug 8347: Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 13:16.39 | jonwil | its a simple-looking issue |
| 13:16.52 | jonwil | but it cant be fixed as libsms and csd-sms are closed source |
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| 13:19.49 | jonwil | A binary patch (or a runtime in-memory patch) could be done but I would rather not use such crude hacks |
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| 13:27.22 | jonwil | I doubt the maintainers of the CSSU are going to be fond of such hacks either :P |
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| 13:32.13 | khertan | lcuk, indeed ... make ... :) |
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| 13:37.31 | Venemo_N900 | khertan, if it's too hard to implement in KhtEditor, I'll make my own small IDE. Qt creator is OSS so I only need to make a minimalistic GUI to fit on the N900 screen |
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| 13:40.28 | khertan | Venemo, not really hard ... it s just that i m not a c expert ... and have never compile on my n900 with gcc |
| 13:40.28 | khertan | :) |
| 13:41.07 | Venemo_N900 | khertan, I can tell you what commands are needed |
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| 13:41.27 | khertan | Venemo, could be interesting :) |
| 13:42.32 | Venemo_N900 | khertan, moment, I'll install the necessary stuff |
| 13:42.45 | khertan | :) |
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| 13:45.44 | macmaN | DocScrutinizer: does stop bme also stop charging from wall charger -> miniusb? |
| 13:46.03 | Venemo_N900 | macmaN: yes |
| 13:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | of course. that's what you asked for - stop charging. No? |
| 13:46.37 | macmaN | okay, so that effectively stops charging altogether |
| 13:46.53 | macmaN | well i thought there may be some difference between usb->microusb and wallcharger->microusb |
| 13:47.02 | macmaN | so you could charge off one but not the other |
| 13:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | start bme |
| 13:47.38 | macmaN | yep gotcha |
| 13:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 13:48.30 | jacekowski | http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/science/rock-paper-scissors.html?hp?src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB |
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| 13:54.05 | Venemo_N900 | hmm |
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| 13:54.42 | Venemo_N900 | works if I make as root, but I get this error when I try as user: http://pastebin.com/72L4vWtU |
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| 13:56.51 | Venemo_N900 | why is it giving me the error? |
| 13:56.52 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4AdLJ3fIo&feature=player_embedded#at=84 |
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| 13:57.42 | kerio | it says so right there - /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file first: Permission denied |
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| 13:59.53 | Venemo_N900 | yes kerio, but why is it denied? |
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| 14:00.15 | kerio | beause of... permissions? |
| 14:00.18 | kerio | check ACLs |
| 14:00.54 | Venemo_N900 | what is an acl? |
| 14:01.41 | ilius | Venemo_N900: access control list |
| 14:01.53 | Venemo_N900 | how do i check it? |
| 14:02.13 | ilius | Venemo_N900: ls command |
| 14:02.25 | ilius | Venemo_N900: ls -l FILE |
| 14:02.28 | Venemo_N900 | ok |
| 14:03.10 | Venemo_N900 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7061 Mar 8 14:58 first |
| 14:03.54 | ilius | Venemo_N900: not writable by non-root users |
| 14:04.25 | ilius | Venemo_N900: unless you change the owner (chown) or permissions (chmod) |
| 14:04.39 | Venemo_N900 | mhm ok |
| 14:04.42 | Venemo_N900 | thanks ilius |
| 14:04.54 | ilius | Venemo_N900: :) |
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| 14:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | ACLs are not listed by ls. Also not changed by chmod. ACL != permissions |
| 14:08.14 | ZogG | MohammadAG, i dunno, i use custom operator, so i have "ZogG" there |
| 14:08.39 | ZogG | MohammadAG, and anyway it doesn't matter what they call them self they are shitty anyway |
| 14:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | man getfacl |
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| 14:09.28 | Venemo_N900 | so khertan, make can make an executable from a single file, without issue |
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| 14:10.05 | Venemo_N900 | khertan: 'make myfilename' (without extension) will make myfilename.c and myfilename.cpp into a myfilename executable |
| 14:10.22 | khertan | indeed ... best choice i think |
| 14:10.44 | Venemo_N900 | for testing, use the hello world example from wikipedia |
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| 14:12.30 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, i almost figured it out |
| 14:12.38 | javispedro | ACLs on N900? O.o |
| 14:12.54 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG, the qt binding for xmms? |
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| 14:13.09 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, with C and glib for now |
| 14:13.27 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG, don't be ridiculous |
| 14:13.31 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, thinking to screw it and try go all gtk |
| 14:13.34 | ZogG | =) |
| 14:13.39 | Venemo_N900 | lol |
| 14:13.42 | Venemo_N900 | go all qt |
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| 14:14.15 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, i looked thru bindings, they are too complex for me right now and they are not official |
| 14:14.24 | khertan | Venemo, ok i ll implement that for next minor release |
| 14:14.25 | khertan | thx |
| 14:14.35 | Venemo_N900 | khertan, I thx |
| 14:14.40 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, most progs use c++ bindings with qt |
| 14:14.53 | khertan | ... or python ... |
| 14:15.02 | ZogG | khertan, hey pal |
| 14:15.14 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG: who cares? your app is not "most progs" |
| 14:15.15 | ZogG | khertan, how is qml porting going on? |
| 14:15.30 | khertan | depends of days :) |
| 14:15.43 | khertan | sometime i'm playing to dev it |
| 14:15.44 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, but would i be awesome guy for you doesn't matter what way i choose? =) |
| 14:15.51 | khertan | sometimes doing other project |
| 14:15.51 | khertan | :) |
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| 14:15.59 | ZogG | khertan i can be tester if you want =) |
| 14:16.03 | khertan | KhtSync for example |
| 14:16.12 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG, you'd be awesome if you used the qt bindings in your qt app |
| 14:16.29 | khertan | ZogG, before tester i need to finish the things ... you need to send dbus call to made refresh for the moment :) |
| 14:16.36 | Venemo_N900 | khertan: what does khtsynce do? |
| 14:16.49 | khertan | Venemo, sync folder over ssh ;) |
| 14:16.52 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, i think best way is c++, but that boost thing =( |
| 14:16.59 | khertan | gitorious.org/khtsync |
| 14:17.01 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG: NO |
| 14:17.01 | ZogG | khertan, did you used boost for maemo? |
| 14:17.03 | Venemo_N900 | khertan: nice |
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| 14:17.08 | ZogG | Venemo_N900 why not? |
| 14:17.12 | khertan | ZogG, boost ... nope |
| 14:17.18 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG: boost is horseshit |
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| 14:17.31 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, why would you say that? |
| 14:17.58 | Venemo_N900 | who needs boost when we have qt |
| 14:19.30 | ZogG | that's what she said |
| 14:19.41 | Venemo_N900 | she? |
| 14:19.44 | ZogG | <ZogG> i was wondering about qt bindings and libxmms2-qt |
| 14:19.45 | ZogG | <ZogG> as i understand it's unofficial |
| 14:19.45 | ZogG | <Zharf> not sure if it was ever finished |
| 14:19.52 | ZogG | he is one of xmms2 devs |
| 14:20.00 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, that's joke obv. |
| 14:20.09 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 14:20.51 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG: c bindings would be good enough if there was an option to receive a callback on song change |
| 14:21.27 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, it's work in progres |
| 14:21.31 | ZogG | the qt lib |
| 14:21.36 | Venemo_N900 | and? |
| 14:21.46 | ZogG | Venemo_N900 i had callbacks actually |
| 14:21.51 | ilius | kerio: DocScrutinize is right, ACL is not enabled in maemo and common linux ditributions by default, thats different from permissions. I supposed you purpose of ACL is the same permissions |
| 14:22.09 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, i just need to check them. code is okay |
| 14:22.18 | kerio | ilius: i assumed he already checked the permissions |
| 14:22.44 | kerio | if those seem to allow you to do whatever you need to do, ACLs are the second thing to check |
| 14:23.09 | ZogG | btw Venemo if i have function in mainwindow.cpp and it's not MainWindow(my app) class, how i can change label from it? |
| 14:23.11 | ilius | kerio: he probably could not enable ACL on his device |
| 14:23.30 | ilius | kerio: :) |
| 14:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no, ACLs are not enabled on rootfs or /home |
| 14:24.42 | ilius | I with this tool was availabe for maemo http://rofi.roger-ferrer.org/eiciel/ |
| 14:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | tune2fs -l /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 14:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | ext_attr but no ACL |
| 14:26.38 | ilius | *with -> wish |
| 14:27.08 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, it's nice to talk to devs sometiems =) |
| 14:27.32 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG: ui->mylabel->setText(...) |
| 14:27.37 | ZogG | http://doxygen.xmms2.xmms.se/clientlib/stable/xmmsclient/group__IOFunctions.html |
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| 14:27.57 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG: my batter is low, I'll get back later |
| 14:28.23 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, that wouldn't work as my function is not Mainwindow::func but just func, so it doesn't recognize ui |
| 14:29.36 | ZogG | Venemo_N900, ok, i'll try to do it with glib, but devs gave me link to functions i can use mainloop of my choise |
| 14:29.38 | Treibholz | hmm, ENTER doesn't work in ncurses-applications in my terminal |
| 14:29.53 | ZogG | i would only need help with qt mainloop if you'll have time |
| 14:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: known bug |
| 14:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | search bugs.maemo.org for libvte, or simply use CSSU |
| 14:30.57 | Treibholz | ok |
| 14:31.00 | E0x | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70795 <--- very cool |
| 14:31.02 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer oh sudden you are pro CSSU |
| 14:31.23 | Treibholz | how buggy is the cssu atm? |
| 14:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: what do you mean? |
| 14:31.42 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, as you have your brighness applet |
| 14:31.47 | ZogG | brightness* |
| 14:31.54 | ZogG | anyway no time to troll you |
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| 14:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | pffffff thank God |
| 14:32.22 | ZogG | don't lie you like me trolling |
| 14:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: or simply read about it on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 14:32.51 | ZogG | now i'm going to smoke shisha |
| 14:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, ZogG - like pushing a long steel nail into the mains outlet on the wall |
| 14:33.46 | ZogG | do you like it too? |
| 14:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes, every once in a while |
| 14:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'm a bot, I need to recharge |
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| 14:49.06 | Ex-Opesa | Hello guys, I forgot the password of n900. I need it to activate the lock. Using PR 1.3 |
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| 14:58.07 | E0x | Ex-Opesa: do echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1) |
| 14:58.16 | E0x | and crack that hash using john ripper |
| 14:59.26 | E0x | Ex-Opesa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJyUJsKkUU |
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| 15:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | 12345 |
| 15:10.18 | Venemo | ZogG: DocScrutinizer has always been pro CSSU |
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| 15:13.20 | toresbe | Greetings! Quick question... is there any way to programmatically receive SMSes, without the notification also reaching the UI? |
| 15:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | btw on a virgin device even grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1 returns 12345 (iirc), which means that's not a crypt()'ed hash but a special case where the code is stored in plain text |
| 15:14.02 | toresbe | It'd be a great way to implement push messaging for a utility I'm hacking on, so I don't have to do GPRS polling. |
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| 15:19.15 | maenopo | hi there |
| 15:20.25 | andre__ | yo. |
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| 15:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | E0x: MEH, please check my finding about this has changed and doesn't work anymore in PR1.3 |
| 15:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | E0x: I.E. no "lock_code" |
| 15:23.20 | jacekowski | no lock_code? |
| 15:23.23 | jacekowski | emm? |
| 15:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously they used sth different now |
| 15:23.35 | jacekowski | i'm pretty sure that there was a lock_code cal entryp |
| 15:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: no string "lock_code" in mtd1 |
| 15:24.04 | jacekowski | i have it there |
| 15:24.17 | jacekowski | maybe it got overwritten by newer blocks or something |
| 15:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, I get confusing results. Need to check without gnu-grep etc |
| 15:25.01 | DocScrutinizer | NB I already found out about -a for gnugrep |
| 15:25.03 | jacekowski | well, check if my code_reset in repository is still working |
| 15:25.17 | jacekowski | if it's still working then lock_code is still in cal |
| 15:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I *for sure* won't ;-P |
| 15:25.32 | jacekowski | besides, nothing is flashing cal so it wouldn't just disappear |
| 15:25.53 | jacekowski | source is available so you can read it |
| 15:25.57 | jacekowski | and btw. i don't trust you too |
| 15:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | uhih, and what about the screenlocker or libcal itself? |
| 15:26.19 | jacekowski | what about them? |
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| 15:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | if rec=CAL_get("lock_code") then {CAL_erase(rec); CAL_write( FOOBARKEY, rec.hash} |
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| 15:32.29 | dashavoo | heh, I've never known my lock_code |
| 15:32.41 | dashavoo | or, I knew it for about 2 minutes |
| 15:33.11 | dashavoo | I eventually discovered that the default was 12345, changed it to something, and none of my "standard" pin numbers work |
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| 15:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | so it's about time to try above advice |
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| 15:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | meh, false alert |
| 15:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
| 15:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | sips his coffee |
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| 15:37.09 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: I tried several times in the past, it doesn't work, but my N900 is pretty messed up anyway, and I rarely want to use the lock |
| 15:37.21 | visz | sadness |
| 15:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | hope you NEVER use the lock |
| 15:37.34 | visz | can't get asix eth0 working |
| 15:37.37 | visz | via usb |
| 15:38.15 | dashavoo | if it could be locked without knowing the code in advance, then I would have a problem ;) |
| 15:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | it can |
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| 15:50.49 | E0x | i always use the lock |
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| 15:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | dashavoo: send me the output of echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): if you want me to decode your lockcode |
| 15:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | (it's not like I could use it for much rogue purposes :-D ) |
| 15:55.23 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: root:p9.BLHfd2uUmI: |
| 15:55.30 | DocScrutinizer | mompl |
| 15:55.56 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: anyone who can use _that_ to do something malicious from this distance, deserves my N900 ;) |
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| 15:57.01 | user____ | hey all |
| 15:57.41 | user____ | i want to read and write to microsoft access db (mdb) file on my n900. any pointers? |
| 15:57.45 | user____ | thanks |
| 15:57.59 | toresbe | Wow. ...why would you want to do that? |
| 15:58.14 | user____ | :o |
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| 15:58.25 | lcuk | user____, you can read and write them normally |
| 15:58.31 | user____ | a friend is askin me to :) |
| 15:58.36 | lcuk | but if you want to get at the data within logically there might be a problem |
| 15:59.09 | user____ | well, like quering the data on the tables inside it, stuff like that |
| 15:59.19 | lcuk | see my second point. |
| 15:59.21 | user____ | what we usually do with access files |
| 15:59.26 | cos^ | how about exporting the database in some modern format and read it? |
| 15:59.32 | user____ | yea did |
| 15:59.38 | user____ | hmm |
| 15:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | dashavoo: damn, you for sure must have the most hard to crack PIN I ever john'ed |
| 15:59.42 | user____ | exporting |
| 16:00.04 | lcuk | user____, commonly, sqlite is used in places where .mdb would be done on Windows |
| 16:00.13 | lcuk | single user data storage etc |
| 16:00.14 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: my problem exactly ;) - I think it must have become corrupt at some point |
| 16:00.40 | user____ | no exporting i think, wanna manipulate it, then tranfer to a computer and use it there |
| 16:00.54 | user____ | yes i know that lcuk |
| 16:01.12 | dashavoo | user____: you could try compiling http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/ for N900... that would be your best bet I think |
| 16:01.34 | user____ | i was readin, BASE in open office, what program is that? |
| 16:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | Loaded 1 password hash (Traditional DES [64/64 BS MMX]) |
| 16:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | guesses: 0 time: 0:00:04:08 c/s: 446839 trying: 83536787 - 83536784 |
| 16:02.17 | user____ | cool dashavoo |
| 16:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | dashavoo: how many digits you used for that? :-o |
| 16:02.40 | user____ | will have to use scratchbox for that right? |
| 16:03.15 | user____ | DocScrutinizer, what are you trying to do? just curious :) |
| 16:03.20 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: no idea, none of my standard pins are very long :P |
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| 16:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | user____: cracking dashavoo 's device lock PIN |
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| 16:04.51 | user____ | cool |
| 16:05.02 | user____ | and what software you using? |
| 16:05.31 | user____ | is it that you get some file from him? his device? and then run your software on it? |
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| 16:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | dashavoo: no luck |
| 16:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | dashavoo: you're the perfect candidate to try jacekowski 's lock-resetter |
| 16:08.28 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: no worries, I didn't think you could |
| 16:08.34 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: lock-resetter? |
| 16:08.51 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Here? |
| 16:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-08 16:25:03] <jacekowski> well, check if my code_reset in repository is still working |
| 16:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: how does it work? |
| 16:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | user____: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
| 16:12.00 | jacekowski | docscrutinizer: i don't remember |
| 16:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: then at least tell me where to find it :-D |
| 16:12.29 | jacekowski | apt-get code_reset |
| 16:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | meh, used HAM ;-P |
| 16:13.09 | jacekowski | no ui |
| 16:13.14 | jacekowski | and btw. my ham is broken |
| 16:13.26 | jacekowski | i can't install anything |
| 16:13.32 | jacekowski | because it says there is no space lef |
| 16:14.18 | MohammadAG | RST38h, sup |
| 16:15.39 | dashavoo | Coffee break... relief! |
| 16:16.02 | dashavoo | DocScrutinizer: I'll have a look after work and see if I can get the code_reset working - I'll let you know |
| 16:16.08 | dashavoo | bye for now |
| 16:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 16:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: same here with apt-get update :-P |
| 16:17.20 | jacekowski | dashavoo: it's two commands |
| 16:17.33 | jacekowski | dashavoo: apt-get install code_reset, sudo gainroot, code_reset |
| 16:17.47 | RST38h | MohammadAG:SPB Brain Evolution fails to start from the desktop, with the CSSU |
| 16:18.24 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Still runs from xterm, but not from desktop shortcut and not from the applications menu |
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| 16:19.31 | MohammadAG | RST38h, pastebin the desktop file |
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| 16:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | rm /var/sys/syslog.old 12MB |
| 16:20.40 | RST38h | Mohammad: A moment |
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| 16:22.32 | RST38h | Mohammad: http://pastebin.com/pe9Bgsry |
| 16:23.31 | khertan | lcuk, where to put a bug report ... : didn't boot in meego about daily image :) (yeah useless) |
| 16:23.56 | khertan | will try the weekly image :) |
| 16:27.45 | MohammadAG | RST38h, hmm, weird |
| 16:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | wtf?! du -h -s /var/lib/locale |
| 16:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | may I nuke those japanese and korean locales? ;-D |
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| 16:28.55 | RST38h | Mohammad: Indeed. And I cannoteven diagnose what exactly goes wrong. Tried starting from both landscape and portrait, too |
| 16:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | umm no |
| 16:29.17 | RST38h | Doc: by the love of the Tentacled One, go ahead! |
| 16:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | one friggin file locale-archive |
| 16:29.37 | RST38h | Doc: Except that in fremantle they are all merged into a huge freaking cache file |
| 16:29.54 | RST38h | For which you need a special tool to operate |
| 16:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | :nod_ ^^^ |
| 16:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | now that's annoying |
| 16:30.47 | RST38h | if it makes you feel any better, it is pretty well compressed by the file system, not taking nearly as much space as it looks |
| 16:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | I'd happily go with LANG=C if it weren't for Nokia's *brilliant* invention of tana_fi_foo_bar_homebutton_thumb |
| 16:31.55 | RST38h | yea, LANG=C is fine with me too |
| 16:32.13 | RST38h | Never understood why some people want to translate EVERYthING |
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| 16:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | I bet you will hate the result of nuking locale-archive nevertheless |
| 16:32.47 | RST38h | no, nuking it is a badidea |
| 16:32.57 | RST38h | but there is some obscuregnu tool for pruning it |
| 16:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | I18n gurus, what's that tool? please help me out :-) |
| 16:36.34 | Arkenoi | well, seems that my attempt to hire a bunch of people to bring decent crypto functionality to maemo failed completely. they fucked my breain instead and that was all. |
| 16:36.58 | RST38h | Depends on who you hire and how you pay |
| 16:37.07 | lcuk | Arkenoi, perhaps you should not have encrypted the application form. |
| 16:38.09 | Arkenoi | RST38h, i did not pay because they did not show me any prototype code at least. that was wise not to pay in advance, despite the fact they talked quite reasonably. |
| 16:38.28 | RST38h | That too |
| 16:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | what's the problem with crypto? seems to me all is already there |
| 16:41.49 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, orly? no crypto support either in email or VoIP is called "already there"? Or having gpg and openssl libraries is? |
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| 16:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | depending on your demands it will just bring the system to a grinding halt, when you start swapping to a crypted swap partition :-D |
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| 16:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | errr, gpg is FOSS, no? |
| 16:43.15 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, btw i doubt encrypted swap will do much worse because bottleneck is io, not cpu anyways |
| 16:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, somewhat |
| 16:43.38 | steve___ | GNU Privacy Guard |
| 16:43.41 | Arkenoi | Yes, but as there is no modest integration it is the same for average user as not having it at all |
| 16:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's sadly true |
| 16:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | so it's not about encryption really, but rather about unfscking the maemo core apps which may or may not be closed |
| 16:44.45 | Arkenoi | wonders why all smartphones support crypto so poorly. It is vital and obvious functionality and there is no reason to leave it out. |
| 16:45.19 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, it relies mostly on modest, tinymail, gstreamer and telepathy which are open |
| 16:45.21 | RST38h | But ain't GSM communications already encrypted? =) |
| 16:45.27 | RST38h | hides, preventively |
| 16:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | gstreamer??? DUH |
| 16:45.31 | dm8tbr | I hear there is some AES crypto unit in the OMAP3 :) |
| 16:45.40 | dm8tbr | supposedly there is even linux kernel code |
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| 16:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if Arkenoi wants to crypt the audio on its way from speaker to Arkenoi 's ears |
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| 16:46.27 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, voip codec framework relies on gstreamer |
| 16:46.31 | RST38h | Obama creates indefinite detention system for prisoners at Guantanamo Bay |
| 16:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: so what? no voip is doing encryption on the digital audio level |
| 16:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | check ZRTP |
| 16:47.32 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, if i wish to add zrtp, gstreamer is the place where it should live. |
| 16:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | can even be used as a local proxy to crypt RTP streams of existing apps |
| 16:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | and there's definitly no gstreamer near that |
| 16:48.30 | RST38h | afaik Maemo uses hardcoded gstreamer pipelines everywhere |
| 16:48.40 | RST38h | so,it may not be such a good idea with gstreamer |
| 16:48.56 | DocScrutinizer | check ZRTP |
| 16:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | can even be used as a local proxy to crypt RTP streams of existing apps |
| 16:49.16 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, if i wish it to be used transparently, it was said gstreamer is the place, as other people on bmo/tmo checked it before |
| 16:50.01 | Arkenoi | it may be separate integration pita. sip codecs and rtp implementation all live in gstreamer |
| 16:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | meh, ZRTP proxy is operating on IP streams |
| 16:50.41 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, yes, but i need to register some new voip pseudo protocol anyways to make settings look reasonable |
| 16:50.58 | Arkenoi | so messing with telepathy and gstreamer is inevitable |
| 16:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | errr, there's a thing called local loopback? |
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| 16:51.55 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, do i expect joe average user registering on local loopback and editing cryptic looking configs? |
| 16:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | definitely ZRTP proxy can get installed on virtually every RTP system |
| 16:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: now THAT can be tackled |
| 16:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | 5 lines of sed/awk anf 3 gconf commands, and fine |
| 16:53.35 | Arkenoi | well, maybe, if someone is willing to do it that way quick and cheap, i agree |
| 16:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, refusing to mess with patching existing apps inevitably results in 'the cheap & dirty approach" |
| 16:56.02 | MohammadAG | boots up 1 March MeeGo image |
| 16:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: there's however one thing you definitely won't fix: GSM |
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| 16:57.07 | MohammadAG | holy shit the settings page is a mess |
| 16:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI the GSM codec is implemented in BB5 and you can't mess around with it |
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| 16:57.44 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, yes, but given 2G networks become extinct, we may expect reasonable bandwidth |
| 16:57.51 | Arkenoi | to ba available all the time |
| 16:57.54 | MohammadAG | nice scrolling, if you can do it |
| 16:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | sure, so you're back to VoIP basicaly |
| 16:58.24 | Arkenoi | there is a dirty trick, run voip over csd, but i am not sure n900 does really support csd at all |
| 16:58.48 | MohammadAG | lol clicking the menu opened the android-like status bar |
| 16:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | I think it might do CSD, but I doubt 3G does CSD |
| 16:58.53 | MohammadAG | why do I even bother... |
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| 16:59.13 | MohammadAG | reboots back to Maemo |
| 16:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: so most probably HSCSD is best you can get |
| 16:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | for p2p |
| 17:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | and even for that I'm not sure it really supports p2p |
| 17:00.46 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, it cerainly does, or you may send a signal to switch to 2G via sms on call setup. there are numerous devices like atm, pos, tracking devices etc that rely on csd functionality, so it is unlikely to be taken off the network |
| 17:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | it's not taken off the network, I just doubt you can INVITE (aka call) a MT via HSCSD |
| 17:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | so you're back to CSD which afaik is 14400 |
| 17:02.39 | Arkenoi | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/wiki/SrtpSupport |
| 17:02.46 | Arkenoi | no progress here for 3 years |
| 17:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | which might be just fine for iLBC and similar codecs |
| 17:03.22 | MohammadAG | LOL MeeGo has an Ovi store logo |
| 17:03.28 | MohammadAG | (well, Ovi, to get backgrounds) |
| 17:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | still you need a contract that allows inbound data calls |
| 17:03.39 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, 14400 is enough for voice if it is a guaranteed bandwidth (not like GPRS) |
| 17:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | sure, that's what I said |
| 17:04.21 | DocScrutinizer | GSM codec works even with halfrate which is 4800 ;-) |
| 17:04.39 | Arkenoi | i am not really sure it is still required for m2m calls (it is if you wish to accept data calls from analogue phones) |
| 17:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | fullrate 9600, enhanced full rate 14400 |
| 17:04.55 | SpeedEvil | hasn't readbackscroll. |
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| 17:05.15 | SpeedEvil | wonders ifthis is time to cue the 'no, you can't transmit data over voice codec' rant. |
| 17:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | no, we're beyond that point |
| 17:05.31 | SpeedEvil | decides it's time to clean keyboard. |
| 17:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: CSD |
| 17:05.46 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 17:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | CSD is so oooooout I dunno how many of the carriers even offer it, for inbound calls |
| 17:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | just one thing that's even more out: fax over GSM |
| 17:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | think that one never took off |
| 17:08.10 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, i used it a couple of times |
| 17:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | hell, nowadays modems don't even come with a proper comprehensive AT cmdset |
| 17:08.57 | DocScrutinizer | most of then don't know about CSD anymore |
| 17:09.02 | Arkenoi | actually once i used it to send a real fax and another time i just wanted to print a document from my Nokia 9110 and it was the easiest way to send it to a nearby fax :-) |
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| 17:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure whether BB5 in N900 supports it |
| 17:10.26 | Arkenoi | e90 was the first communicator with fax support removed |
| 17:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | and even more doubtable whether ISI supports it |
| 17:11.30 | Arkenoi | I guess most android phones do support CSD |
| 17:11.55 | Arkenoi | as Marlinspike's cryptophone uses it |
| 17:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | all those cryptophones probably use massivlely tweaked GSM codecs |
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| 17:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | which could be a smart thing, if you manage to implement it transparent ans seamless, like ZRTP |
| 17:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | several modems use a GSM codec in "userland" and send the raw data to modem |
| 17:15.03 | Arkenoi | i want minmal implementation to speak zRTP with generic SIP over wifi or 3g and (ideally) to be interoperable with desktop zrtp/srtp implementations |
| 17:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | err to TX, for that namespace |
| 17:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | should be feasible |
| 17:15.39 | Arkenoi | supporting CSD and 2G/low bandwidth networks may be next task |
| 17:17.36 | SpeedEvil | wonders how many weeks of one-time-pad you can get on a 16G usd |
| 17:17.52 | MohammadAG | wonders how hard it'd be to shove 3G video call support on the N900 |
| 17:18.43 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, alot, it was my idea for most paranoid people who believe government guys broke all pk crypto years ago :-) |
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| 17:19.20 | SpeedEvil | One time pad is easier for governments to break. |
| 17:19.36 | Arkenoi | MohammadAG, 3g video sucks anyways, almost never works internationally etc etc |
| 17:19.38 | SpeedEvil | Construct desired description, xor with logged data to find key. |
| 17:20.13 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, still doesn't answer my question :) |
| 17:20.14 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, if it is used properly, it is never reused, so finding "key" is useless. |
| 17:20.56 | SpeedEvil | Iknow. |
| 17:22.32 | Arkenoi | the real problem is it is easy to have a key agreement for two communicating entities, but it is much more complicated to scale it further |
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| 17:24.04 | matthias- | hey guys |
| 17:24.08 | matthias- | a quick question... |
| 17:24.15 | matthias- | I'm thinking of setting up a server on my N900 |
| 17:24.16 | matthias- | ;] |
| 17:24.26 | matthias- | with USB attached storage, any opinions? |
| 17:24.31 | matthias- | or advice ? |
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| 17:24.56 | SpeedEvil | Use a USB floppy, and a external display to prompt the user which disk to put in. |
| 17:25.17 | SpeedEvil | used a floppy yesterday. |
| 17:25.22 | matthias- | I've got a few issues so far, how to attach a network device AND the charger at the same time, and two - will there be any fs restrictions? |
| 17:25.27 | matthias- | SpeedEvil: Usb floppy ? |
| 17:25.29 | SpeedEvil | It was in an eyesight testing unit that I was using. |
| 17:25.37 | matthias- | ah, ur not talking to me ;] |
| 17:25.48 | SpeedEvil | matthias-: FS restrictions? |
| 17:26.06 | Arkenoi | i guess there should be usb-to-scsi adapters that look like mass storage, so you may find 8" floppy with scsi interface.. |
| 17:26.30 | matthias- | SpeedEvil: well, ive got them on the OSX FS |
| 17:26.40 | matthias- | thinking of size/speed restrictions |
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| 17:28.22 | SpeedEvil | matthias-: There are no real restrictions. |
| 17:28.32 | SpeedEvil | If you can mount it on a normal PC, you can use it. |
| 17:28.47 | SpeedEvil | I haven't used it though, I can't comment on speed. |
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| 17:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | matthias-: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
| 17:32.39 | nidO | I dont get the fascination of using the n900 as a wired server |
| 17:32.52 | nidO | whats wrong with just using a pogoplug or something, if you want to do it small and cheap |
| 17:33.32 | FauxFaux | Pogoplug with 32gb of storage, decent cpu and ram? How much? |
| 17:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | 17 megatons |
| 17:34.14 | nidO | pogoplug = £50 odd, a 32gb memory stick is, what, another £40 |
| 17:34.18 | SpeedEvil | FauxFaux: 32G USB key plus pogoplugprice |
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| 17:34.29 | SpeedEvil | Or old 32G hard drive - damn near free. |
| 17:34.31 | matthias- | it's not a fascination |
| 17:34.34 | matthias- | i dont have anything else |
| 17:34.37 | matthias- | to set it up on :) |
| 17:34.41 | matthias- | and have a brand new n900 in a box |
| 17:35.16 | nidO | so you're using a £400 mobile device not meant to function as a wired server rather than a £50 device that is? |
| 17:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | errr, you could sell it. Or I'll swap it for a really nice pogoplug |
| 17:35.21 | matthias- | yep. |
| 17:35.29 | matthias- | i could sell it, tho cba to post it |
| 17:35.38 | matthias- | and i bought it for £499 :< |
| 17:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's just too silly |
| 17:36.11 | SpeedEvil | It's really easy to post. |
| 17:36.37 | matthias- | cba |
| 17:36.39 | matthias- | dont have time |
| 17:36.51 | matthias- | is there any thread on talk.maemo |
| 17:36.55 | matthias- | about selling phones? |
| 17:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'll send a UPS dude |
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| 17:37.04 | nidO | theres a whole subforum about it |
| 17:37.14 | nidO | ebay and amazon have also existed for a number of years |
| 17:37.49 | SpeedEvil | Ebay works well. |
| 17:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | ot - even better - I drive over to netherlands and fetch it myself. s/fetch/snatch/ |
| 17:38.18 | nidO | also, if this n900 is brand new in a box, it could just be returned. |
| 17:38.30 | SpeedEvil | I just bought a cube of insulation that's about my height in all dimensions, cheap. |
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| 17:38.59 | matthias- | DocScrutinizer: im in the UK ;] |
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| 17:39.18 | matthias- | nidO: nah, i bought it like over a year ago |
| 17:39.20 | matthias- | when it came out |
| 17:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | you're cheating |
| 17:39.29 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 17:39.36 | jacekowski | i have a microusb charger |
| 17:39.46 | jacekowski | and i'm not sure if it has data pins shorted correctly |
| 17:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | who hasn't |
| 17:40.01 | jacekowski | where was that sysfile that could tell if it's shorted or not |
| 17:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, with N900 you got a pretty decent tester device |
| 17:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | find /sys -name charger |
| 17:41.20 | matthias- | hmm, ok ill sell it then. |
| 17:41.28 | matthias- | we've got like 4 or 5 left. |
| 17:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | grrrrrr |
| 17:42.19 | matthias- | so, ill sell it and buy a mac mini then |
| 17:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'd happily take 3 of them to remove your burdon of storing them |
| 17:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'll even pay the UPS dude who'll pick them up wherever they collect dust at your site |
| 17:43.41 | matthias- | ;] |
| 17:43.47 | matthias- | Just putting it on ebay |
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| 17:44.20 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 17:44.25 | jacekowski | do you hav elink to that bqsomething script |
| 17:44.37 | jacekowski | that could tell if it's charging or not |
| 17:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | sure, mompls |
| 17:44.52 | jacekowski | or hmm, it needs bme to be stopped doesn't it? |
| 17:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 17:45.17 | matthias- | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=963332#post963332 |
| 17:45.17 | matthias- | ! |
| 17:45.18 | matthias- | ]; |
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| 17:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://paste.debian.net/109834/ |
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| 17:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | "special edition" ;-P |
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| 17:51.09 | _0x47 | Hello, I'm new to the Internet. What can I do to make someone reply to my threads on maemo.org? |
| 17:51.43 | nidO | make your topic interesting enough for people to want to. |
| 17:52.00 | _0x47 | Some porn inside? |
| 17:53.03 | _0x47 | I think, maybe no one really knows how Maemo works... |
| 17:53.19 | AsiQue | MohammadAG: is your media player clone (sorry don't know it's name) hosted in gitorious? |
| 17:53.48 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer |
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| 17:54.07 | MohammadAG | and a binary http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer |
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| 17:54.35 | _0x47 | O btw (serious question): Is there a way to find out how much each application uses on the rootfs? Because I can't install no more apps :( |
| 17:54.48 | nidO | theres a script on the wiki |
| 17:54.54 | _0x47 | thx, let me check |
| 17:56.25 | AsiQue | MohammadAG: and another question... did you added your kinetic scrollong to the cssu? |
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| 17:57.34 | AsiQue | is the media player going to be part of the ssu? |
| 17:57.41 | MohammadAG | AsiQue, yes to the first question |
| 17:58.07 | MohammadAG | actually, after my "release" of that on tmo, it was made configurable upstream, I changed the default value in the CSSU |
| 17:58.21 | MohammadAG | when it replaces all functions of the stock player, yes |
| 17:58.39 | AsiQue | tnx... good to know, because i feel it's laggy more then before... |
| 17:58.58 | AsiQue | and about the mp... tnx, waiting fot that :-) |
| 17:59.56 | matthias- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280641348984#ht_500wt_1156 |
| 17:59.59 | matthias- | if anyone is interested |
| 18:00.00 | matthias- | ;] |
| 18:00.02 | MohammadAG | tbh, I could release 0.1 for songs only, just need to find a way to find the current playlist |
| 18:00.16 | MohammadAG | (internet radio works, not via a playlist though) |
| 18:00.41 | nidO | why swapping for a mac mini? |
| 18:01.06 | matthias- | cause i want it as a server |
| 18:01.26 | AsiQue | matthias-: add international shipping and they will sell faster :-) |
| 18:01.43 | nidO | you think you need a mac mini to do something you were planning to do on an n900? |
| 18:02.18 | matthias- | AsiQue: really ? |
| 18:02.25 | matthias- | nidO: no, but i like it |
| 18:02.47 | matthias- | well it will do it anyway ;] |
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| 18:03.34 | MohammadAG | matthias-, sure, just make sure you get the money before shipping |
| 18:03.52 | AsiQue | well you have paypal for that... |
| 18:03.54 | MohammadAG | PayPal once said the payment was complete for me, when I checked the credit card statement I wasn't billed |
| 18:04.18 | MohammadAG | the seller already sent me the item, when I contacted him he said he never received the money |
| 18:04.42 | MohammadAG | in short, PayPal can make mistakes |
| 18:04.51 | matthias- | yep |
| 18:04.53 | matthias- | had same thing |
| 18:04.57 | matthias- | actually sent the item |
| 18:05.00 | matthias- | and paypal refunded the guy |
| 18:05.05 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 18:05.17 | MohammadAG | they didn't refund me, they just didn't take the money the first time |
| 18:05.19 | matthias- | and parcelforce is £25 |
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| 18:05.30 | matthias- | for worldwide delivery |
| 18:05.34 | AsiQue | didn't happen to me... and i order alot :-! |
| 18:05.35 | MohammadAG | I'm not an asshole (at least most of the times), so I sent him the money manually |
| 18:06.00 | matthias- | ;] |
| 18:06.18 | AsiQue | and ofcourse shit happens... but overall they'e better then direct payment |
| 18:07.15 | AsiQue | MohammadAG, is there an xterm or something else that can run inside the SDK, i want to change some gconf values... |
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| 18:08.07 | MohammadAG | AsiQue, /scratchbox/login? |
| 18:08.16 | MohammadAG | then run commands in that shell |
| 18:10.06 | AsiQue | that what i thought... just wanted a confermation... tnx |
| 18:10.26 | AsiQue | *confirmation |
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| 18:18.13 | matthias- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IBM-ThinkCentre-S50-XP-Ultra-Small-Desktop-PC-Computer-/120683893817?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item1c19521439#ht_2551wt_1141 |
| 18:18.16 | matthias- | hmm maybe smth like this? |
| 18:19.44 | matthias- | see i'd want smth like this: |
| 18:19.44 | matthias- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Acer-Veriton-N281G-Small-Form-Factor-Business-PC-Atom-/390269811618?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item5adde4bba2#ht_4599wt_909 |
| 18:20.28 | matthias- | or ven better |
| 18:20.29 | matthias- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ZOTAC-ZBOX-ULTRA-MICRO-MINI-SMALL-PC-Z-BOX-SYSTEM-/220740631883?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item33652abd4b#ht_2866wt_982 |
| 18:23.30 | nidO | if you just want to host some basic shit you were planning on hosting on an n900, you still wont beat a pogoplug (£50) plus 250GB external hdd (£33) |
| 18:24.31 | matthias- | ive got 6gb of external hdds |
| 18:24.44 | matthias- | gb -> tb |
| 18:24.45 | nidO | then, a pogoplug for £50 and nothing else. |
| 18:24.47 | matthias- | what's a pogoplug? |
| 18:25.02 | nidO | http://www.pogoplug.com |
| 18:25.22 | nidO | a little arm embedded machine designed to share usb drives through a web interface over the net |
| 18:25.36 | nidO | that takes about half an hour to modify to run a full lamp setup |
| 18:26.02 | matthias- | nidO: why not then just a NAS -> USB adapter |
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| 18:26.28 | matthias- | and for £50-80 i can get some box with full ftp/http services |
| 18:26.30 | matthias- | irc |
| 18:26.31 | matthias- | bla bla bla |
| 18:26.46 | Sc0rpius | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-07/microsoft-is-said-to-pay-nokia-more-than-1-billion-in-deal.html |
| 18:26.54 | Sc0rpius | so who wouldn't make that deal with $1 billion front.. |
| 18:27.10 | roy654_ | hi folks, a quick question, while installing Community SSU, it asks me to remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr, is that normal? |
| 18:27.30 | Sc0rpius | mp-fremantle-community-pr should replace mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 18:28.13 | roy654_ | Sc0rpius: great, thanks |
| 18:29.09 | matthias- | nidO: and it wouldnt see it as a network device |
| 18:29.30 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 18:29.46 | Sc0rpius | though it shouldn't "ask" about that right MohammadAG |
| 18:29.49 | MohammadAG | what's the metal part on the back cover? |
| 18:29.51 | nidO | matthias-: i'm not sure what you're asking me |
| 18:30.14 | MohammadAG | yeah Sc0rpius, was checking the script to see if i added that at some point lol |
| 18:30.26 | matthias- | MohammadAG: if i plug a hdd to that pogoplug. |
| 18:31.00 | matthias- | and the one for striming vido is $200 |
| 18:31.06 | matthias- | i meant nidO ^^ not MohammadAG |
| 18:31.38 | nidO | you can plug whatever storage you want into it |
| 18:32.00 | matthias- | nidO: i mean if I plug it into it it wont be a NAS |
| 18:32.10 | matthias- | well, it will be, but i need some drivers for it from what I unerstand |
| 18:32.30 | matthias- | and it cant stream a video to hdmi without decoding. |
| 18:33.12 | matthias- | to -> via, only back through router |
| 18:33.46 | matthias- | and for that you need gigabit eth, or at least 801.11n |
| 18:34.39 | nidO | i've no clue whatsoever what you're asking me. if you want the device to serve content from a nas, you just access the content over the network, thats the whole point of a nas |
| 18:34.49 | matthias- | So, i dont buy this plug bonanzna. |
| 18:35.04 | nidO | ... |
| 18:35.15 | matthias- | nidO: yeah, you access it over the network, but you need some different drivers. what's more is that it wouldnt play 1080p mkv's |
| 18:35.45 | nidO | why do you imagine you need drivers to access a nas over a network? |
| 18:36.13 | matthias- | for it to be seen as NAS you need some extra drivers, just saw it on their website |
| 18:36.19 | nidO | and why would you be needing a server device to play mkv's - you wanted a server, and a pogoplug cant play anything atall as it has no video adaptor or output |
| 18:36.40 | nidO | matthias- - thats for the pogoplug itself to function as a nas using whatever das storage is connected to it |
| 18:36.56 | matthias- | ah |
| 18:37.14 | matthias- | yeah it's called video and it's without any video adaptor |
| 18:37.26 | nidO | theyre servers. |
| 18:37.43 | nidO | the pogoplug video is used to stream vido content over the net to a remote location |
| 18:38.20 | matthias- | ah, well yeah then I dont see it being anything better than a nas -> usb adaptor |
| 18:38.54 | matthias- | I mean, for me and my intended use |
| 18:39.10 | nidO | you've totally lost me. the capability of each account type you get on pogoplug's service and whether the account can stream video is totally irrelevant if you're modifying the device to run a lamp setup to use it as a server |
| 18:39.54 | matthias- | dont like it! :> |
| 18:40.05 | matthias- | i'd rather this: |
| 18:40.05 | matthias- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Belkin-Network-USB-Hub-Print-Device-Server-F5L009-/180635144934?pt=UK_Computing_NetworkingHubs_RL&hash=item2a0eb192e6#ht_3090wt_907 |
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| 18:41.49 | nidO | what's that going to do for you? |
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| 18:42.19 | matthias- | attach my deviced to a network. |
| 18:44.10 | matthias- | and you cant firewall the pogoplug, dont trust it! |
| 18:44.17 | steve___ | ... |
| 18:44.25 | steve___ | nidO: just walk away from this one. |
| 18:44.33 | steve___ | ignorance always wins |
| 18:46.05 | matthias- | its not ignorance, its being right. |
| 18:46.37 | matthias- | it shares the file, over http somewhow, I'd have to open ports |
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| 18:46.50 | matthias- | and i wouldnt be able to fully control it, -> fail |
| 18:47.30 | nidO | matthias-: for about the billionth time |
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| 18:47.50 | nidO | the whole point of getting a pogoplug would be to just put a standard lamp install on it, you're the one that wanted a server |
| 18:48.21 | nidO | and yeah steve___ I think i'm probably done with this one |
| 18:48.55 | matthias- | anyway, i'd rather a mac mini. |
| 18:49.05 | matthias- | and install centos or fbsd on it. |
| 18:49.18 | matthias- | Dont understand that pogoplug, and it cant be good. |
| 18:49.42 | nidO | its a 1.2ghz arm computer running a linux install, but with a power input and a nic. |
| 18:50.02 | nidO | ie, its what you had with an n900, but without needing to run everything through a microusb port. |
| 18:50.02 | matthias- | Can I wipe it and install w/e i want on it ? |
| 18:50.06 | nidO | and costs 1/10th as much |
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| 18:50.12 | nidO | yet again: |
| 18:50.13 | nidO | YES! |
| 18:50.16 | matthias- | ah, ok. |
| 18:50.18 | matthias- | Now i get it. |
| 18:51.25 | matthias- | nidO: and what would be the hardware difference between the different pogoplugs? |
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| 18:51.48 | matthias- | as i cant find any 'spec' |
| 18:52.25 | matthias- | apart from wifi that i can see here |
| 18:53.24 | matthias- | nidO: cause that's what i thought: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/network_storage/freeagent_dockstar/ |
| 18:53.46 | matthias- | and you can get that for $20 |
| 18:54.12 | nidO | matthias-: basically, the only difference is the cheap one has no wifi, afaik other than that theyre the same] |
| 18:54.41 | matthias- | kk |
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| 19:05.02 | roy654_ | Sc0rpius: it doesn't "ask" normally, but i have pinned down my apt preferences to Extras, that's why it HAM "ask"ed if it's ok |
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| 20:12.19 | pupnik | oh copying files to mounted usb device takes no cpu whee |
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| 20:18.20 | timeless_w7ip | sighs |
| 20:26.13 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:29.14 | pupnik | timeless_w7ip: i keep going back to your browser. trying other stuff is fun but they don't work as well for me |
| 20:29.58 | timeless_w7ip | nods |
| 20:30.49 | timeless_w7ip | it isn't perfect, but perfect is the enemy of good |
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| 20:33.09 | pupnik | so true! |
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| 20:36.00 | wizkoder | hy everbody |
| 20:36.24 | pupnik | hola |
| 20:36.46 | wizkoder | I just updated my qt creator and the N900 as target platform disappeared. how do I get it back? |
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| 20:38.39 | pupnik | dunno, restore from backup |
| 20:40.05 | wizkoder | in the setup I can still set the pw for usb connection to the device. but I can only select the simulator |
| 20:40.57 | pupnik | maybe qt creator has dropped n900 support |
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| 20:43.50 | Sc0rpius | that's what I'm thinking as well |
| 20:45.36 | wizkoder | maybe there is a way to setup N900 as target again? |
| 20:46.40 | pupnik | i never used it |
| 20:50.17 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZlLNVmaPbM humanoid robot facial expressions |
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| 21:07.34 | pupnik | i wish for a bigger n900. that screen is just so small |
| 21:07.40 | korhojoa | :D |
| 21:07.46 | korhojoa | the nPad |
| 21:09.00 | pupnik | it's 9cm diagonal - 12cm would still fit in pocket |
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| 21:12.44 | Arkenoi | well, what do you think about maemo/meego beyond nokia? given someone is willing to sponsor a port to a mtk or qualcomm custom-made "chinese" phone? |
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| 21:13.53 | pupnik | i'm afraid maemo has too much closed stuff |
| 21:14.33 | Arkenoi | pupnik, mostly hardware-related, if we drop nokia it should not be an issue |
| 21:14.42 | Arkenoi | most other things are replaceable |
| 21:14.52 | pupnik | lemme ask the guy who knows |
| 21:17.35 | pupnik | he doesn't know :) |
| 21:17.40 | pupnik | heh did you see this? http://www.sciphonereviews.com/zte/zte-v7-new-chinese-mid-3g-using-maemo-os |
| 21:18.03 | Sc0rpius | Sebastian Nyström - Nokia's new Head of MeeGo, Qt and WebKit |
| 21:18.11 | Sc0rpius | what would be the point of that |
| 21:19.06 | pupnik | i think there's a good portion of nokia that still wants an alternative to MS |
| 21:19.07 | Sc0rpius | 4.1" is kinda tiny |
| 21:19.16 | Sc0rpius | I would like a Maemo 7" tablet |
| 21:19.18 | pupnik | i'd rather have ~5" |
| 21:19.28 | SpeedEvil | I want ~35" |
| 21:19.35 | pupnik | Sc0rpius: talk to Smoku - he has meego running on the archos 7" tablet |
| 21:19.39 | SpeedEvil | And no heavier than about 350g |
| 21:19.48 | pupnik | archos 7.0 is 33og |
| 21:19.57 | SpeedEvil | More sanely. |
| 21:20.01 | Sc0rpius | that would be nice too pupnik |
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| 21:20.09 | Sc0rpius | I've heard those Archos tablets are nice |
| 21:20.09 | SpeedEvil | The ipad 2 is a nice bit of hardware. |
| 21:20.11 | pupnik | i miss the keyboard though |
| 21:20.26 | Sc0rpius | Apple = crap |
| 21:20.29 | SpeedEvil | I would want a keyboard though. |
| 21:20.44 | pupnik | a tablet-only thing is like "ok i can watch movies" |
| 21:20.56 | pupnik | whereas the n900 in the hand is actually usable in shell |
| 21:21.07 | pupnik | your thumbs don't obscure screen |
| 21:21.10 | Sc0rpius | tablets are nice for Skype, web browsing and email READING (not composing) |
| 21:21.16 | pupnik | mhm |
| 21:21.19 | SpeedEvil | Ipad with a clip-on keyboard. |
| 21:21.20 | Sc0rpius | so they are nice devices to have in your nightstand before sleep |
| 21:21.36 | pupnik | precisely Sc0rpius |
| 21:21.42 | Arkenoi | well, there are some guys who are interested in making a real opensource phone. |
| 21:21.56 | Arkenoi | much better than nokia could offer ever |
| 21:21.58 | Sc0rpius | I have a Lenovo Ideapad netbook in my nightstand |
| 21:21.59 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Low quantity phones are _HARD_ |
| 21:22.07 | Sc0rpius | but sometimes I don't turn it now since using the N900 is faster |
| 21:22.16 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: To make a n900 class phone, you are looking at a large slice of $1m. |
| 21:22.25 | SpeedEvil | Probably over 100% |
| 21:22.35 | pupnik | seems cheap even |
| 21:22.37 | SpeedEvil | This is neglecting the software. |
| 21:22.42 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, i just played a but with android based iphone clone. it is damn impressive for its < $200 price range. |
| 21:22.43 | Sc0rpius | I thought the Nexus One was a real opensouce phone |
| 21:22.46 | Sc0rpius | opensource |
| 21:22.49 | Sc0rpius | too bad it runs Android |
| 21:22.58 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Sure. |
| 21:23.11 | Arkenoi | I guess as those clones are countless they must be pretty low budget each |
| 21:23.14 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Now convince a maker to give you hardware specs, and supply blank ones. |
| 21:23.33 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, that's what they are going to do. |
| 21:23.38 | SpeedEvil | The chinese industry is even worse at openness thanapple. |
| 21:23.41 | SpeedEvil | In general. |
| 21:24.17 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, i know. it must be totally dependant on communication skills: if it already does run some flavor of linux, why not open the whole thing? |
| 21:24.27 | Sc0rpius | I would like a Linux tablet. That includes Maemo/Meego |
| 21:24.36 | Sc0rpius | but Android sucks hard even with the Task Killer App |
| 21:25.04 | SpeedEvil | A n900 tablet would be quite easy. |
| 21:25.08 | SpeedEvil | Just replace the screen. |
| 21:25.12 | SpeedEvil | Technically. |
| 21:25.13 | Arkenoi | SoC specs are pretty much open already? so there should not be many closed components? |
| 21:25.46 | Arkenoi | you may change imei with mere AT command, it's nice |
| 21:25.50 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: In some ways true - in practice, it can geta whole lot more involved. |
| 21:26.16 | Arkenoi | dual gsm radio is standard there as well |
| 21:28.10 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: the archos gen8 tablets are omap3 - basically n900s |
| 21:28.36 | pupnik | but no 3g, no keyboard |
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| 21:31.18 | Sc0rpius | 3G in a tablet is not important to me since I don't have any intentions to take it outside |
| 21:31.30 | kerio | then why not use a real laptop |
| 21:31.35 | Sc0rpius | the N900 is already great on that and having 2 devices on the road is bad |
| 21:31.36 | kerio | which is *vastly* better? |
| 21:31.52 | Sc0rpius | laptops are hot and heav |
| 21:31.53 | Sc0rpius | havey |
| 21:31.56 | Sc0rpius | heavy |
| 21:32.11 | Sc0rpius | not a nice device to take it with you to the kitchen, bathroom, and minutes before sleep |
| 21:32.16 | kerio | well, i have a lap and multiple tables in my home |
| 21:32.33 | kerio | heh, what do you know, i *am* minutes before sleep and i'm on my laptop |
| 21:32.36 | kerio | on my bed |
| 21:32.43 | Sc0rpius | laptops are for serious working, tablets are for consulting info, tablets are not supposed to replace laptops |
| 21:32.54 | Sc0rpius | example: |
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| 21:33.06 | Sc0rpius | I would like to talk via Skype and walk through the house. With a laptop that is annyoing |
| 21:33.19 | kerio | bluetooth headphones |
| 21:33.19 | Sc0rpius | with the N900 + headset is great |
| 21:33.25 | kerio | also n900, yeah |
| 21:33.30 | Sc0rpius | bluetooth is just 10m and after 5m you can't hear a thing |
| 21:33.56 | timeless_w7ip | Sc0rpius: nokia needs people to head things |
| 21:34.02 | Sc0rpius | a quick read of reddit.com in the kitchen while drinking a coffee = laptop sucks at that |
| 21:34.02 | timeless_w7ip | Sebastian came from Qt land |
| 21:34.15 | timeless_w7ip | Qt land hosts Nokia's WebKit, so giving him ownership is logical |
| 21:34.23 | Sc0rpius | yeah but what I meant is |
| 21:34.25 | kerio | wtf, how can you browse reddit on a tabled |
| 21:34.27 | kerio | *tablet |
| 21:34.36 | Sc0rpius | Nokia is cleary don't giving a f@#$ about Meego/QT/Maemo/Symbian |
| 21:34.44 | Sc0rpius | so I don't understand this move |
| 21:34.46 | timeless_w7ip | Nokia MeeGo losts its leader and needed someone, since MeeGo is built around Qt, using the Qt leader here too is also logical |
| 21:34.47 | kerio | my average number of open tabs when browsing reddit is like 35 |
| 21:34.55 | timeless_w7ip | they're all supposedly open source based projects |
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| 21:36.20 | timeless_w7ip | sc0rpius: actually, writing simple to moderate email isn't bad either |
| 21:36.52 | Sc0rpius | yup |
| 21:36.55 | Sc0rpius | quick composing |
| 21:37.01 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Dual GSM - however - not 3G. Also - changing IMEI by AT command is illegal in the UK, and opens the seller up to all sorts of hastle. |
| 21:37.04 | Sc0rpius | like "Yeah I'll take care of this tomorrow" heh |
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| 21:37.25 | SpeedEvil | (Striclty speaking, it's not illegal, it's illegal to sell after you realise that it's being use for nefarious acrtirvity) |
| 21:37.30 | Sc0rpius | anyway I don't have a tablet (I have a netbook) |
| 21:37.44 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, we do not care about that. selling the device via mail order is just ok :-) |
| 21:37.46 | timeless_w7ip | is using a Lenovo Ideapad :) |
| 21:38.17 | Sc0rpius | oh me too :) |
| 21:38.46 | timeless_w7ip | sc0rpius: so... |
| 21:38.49 | timeless_w7ip | nokia cares about money |
| 21:38.50 | Sc0rpius | not right now but I have one, a S10-2 |
| 21:38.57 | Sc0rpius | it's in my nightstand |
| 21:39.07 | timeless_w7ip | Symbian is used by nokia to make devices, and devices when sold make money |
| 21:39.26 | timeless_w7ip | if nokia doesn't ship Symbian devices this year, it loses money on whatever it has done w/ Sybmian |
| 21:39.29 | timeless_w7ip | which would be bad |
| 21:39.47 | timeless_w7ip | similarly, nokia has invested in meego, and needs to ship a product to make money on its investment |
| 21:39.59 | Sc0rpius | also don't forget Nokia is still the king of low-end devices that can't have WP7 |
| 21:40.16 | Sc0rpius | actually the Meego thing is more contractual than looking to make money |
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| 21:40.27 | Sc0rpius | they are bound legally to release at least 1 Meego device this year |
| 21:40.39 | SpeedEvil | Legally? |
| 21:40.45 | timeless_w7ip | afaik that's incorrect |
| 21:40.53 | timeless_w7ip | the word you'd want would be 'contractually' |
| 21:40.58 | timeless_w7ip | but i don't believe that's teh case |
| 21:40.59 | Sc0rpius | otherwise Intel would sue (that's what I've heard) |
| 21:41.02 | timeless_w7ip | s/teh/the/ |
| 21:41.06 | Sc0rpius | yeah that contractually (my english is bad) |
| 21:41.49 | timeless_w7ip | i haven't seen any contracts, and if i had, i almost certainly wouldn't be able to speak on the subject (yay NDAs!) |
| 21:42.06 | timeless_w7ip | but i don't think you're right |
| 21:42.20 | timeless_w7ip | and i suspect i'm in a better position to know than you are |
| 21:42.48 | Sc0rpius | well that might be the case, I just read stuff in the web |
| 21:42.57 | Sc0rpius | I'm not involved with Nokia/Intel |
| 21:44.05 | SpeedEvil | timeless_w7ip: Do the NDAs time-out - can you talk after X years? |
| 21:44.26 | timeless_w7ip | speedevil: hrm, dunno |
| 21:44.34 | SpeedEvil | nvm - just idly wondering. |
| 21:44.46 | timeless_w7ip | generally after a certain point some things become public knowledge |
| 21:44.49 | SpeedEvil | puts down the 2023 calendar and chloroform. |
| 21:44.52 | timeless_w7ip | and you can comment on public knowledge |
| 21:45.07 | timeless_w7ip | generally other parts of contracts only last a couple years past employment |
| 21:45.59 | timeless_w7ip | so you could probably say "group X did stupid thing Y" a couple of years after you leave the relevant employers |
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| 21:46.58 | Sc0rpius | I still think Intel should release a device of their own with an Intel Atom or something |
| 21:47.26 | Sc0rpius | but since Intel doesn't build devices he has to have a partnership with somebody that does it |
| 21:49.38 | timeless_w7ip | it would be bad if intel made its own devices, because it would scare away potential vendors |
| 21:50.34 | Sc0rpius | it would scare them away if they get ZTE or something weird as a partner |
| 21:50.37 | Sc0rpius | anyway |
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| 21:52.50 | pupnik | atom/x86 sucks :/ |
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| 21:53.16 | Sc0rpius | since I have a netbook, I like it |
| 21:53.21 | Sc0rpius | :P |
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| 22:16.55 | javispedro | ha, ha. |
| 22:17.23 | javispedro | so days after I made my snark comments about how the top android apps are gpl violations, some noname company does a full scan and finds that |
| 22:17.39 | javispedro | "71% of Android and iPhone apps containing open source failed to comply with the open source licenses that OpenLogic analyzed. " |
| 22:18.10 | javispedro | no shit sherlock! |
| 22:18.50 | Sc0rpius | why do they fail to complay the license? because they are not releasing the source code involved? |
| 22:18.53 | Sc0rpius | comply |
| 22:19.21 | Sc0rpius | everybody does that, even Sony with their PS3 and using Apache libraries |
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| 22:52.01 | pupnik | it's pretty amazing having 32GB in a phone |
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| 23:05.53 | Venemo | ~optification |
| 23:05.53 | infobot | optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
| 23:05.56 | Venemo | ~fhs |
| 23:05.56 | infobot | from memory, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
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| 23:07.57 | SpeedEvil | ~fsm |
| 23:07.57 | infobot | [fsm] The Flying Spaghetti Monster, the deity of the internet |
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