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| 00:00.29 | internetishard | what's a good linux music player that can be remote controlled from my n900? |
| 00:00.40 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 00:00.53 | FIQ|n900 | this obscure keyboard repeat turn on setting |
| 00:00.56 | FIQ|n900 | what was it? |
| 00:01.43 | pupnik | internetishard: mplayer |
| 00:02.24 | internetishard | how would that work? |
| 00:02.34 | internetishard | I'd like to use something like amarok |
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| 00:04.33 | pupnik | find . -iname "*.mp3" -mtime -40 -exec mplayer \-shuffle \-quiet {} + |
| 00:04.35 | pupnik | for e.g. |
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| 00:06.22 | newbie007 | hi, any ideas on using a nook (ebook reader) as an output device? I want to use the OS/programs/GPS of my n900 on a display device mounted in my car which is a "nook" (basically a large touch screen device) |
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| 00:07.46 | FireStorm|| | hi, does any one have a fix, or point me in direction of a fix for this sms issue where it doesn't store txt etc. |
| 00:08.10 | newbie007 | I had problems with texting after a reboot it fixed the problem |
| 00:08.28 | SpeedEvil | newbie007: does thenook have bt? |
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| 00:09.43 | newbie007 | SpeedEvil: it only has a usb port, but I can connect to a remote terminal via usb. Currently the OS on it is some Android variant,, can say I'm a fan of Android. I can change the OS though |
| 00:09.49 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 00:09.58 | FireStorm|| | done that newbie007 |
| 00:10.57 | FireStorm|| | i remeber reading some where on maemo.org about some possible fixs but i can't find it :S |
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| 00:14.36 | FireStorm|| | hmm andriod i like |
| 00:14.36 | FireStorm|| | :D |
| 00:16.28 | newbie007 | *can't say I'm a fan of Android.. Geo-location stuff |
| 00:17.21 | pupnik | i still like this e71 as a phone |
| 00:18.03 | newbie007 | for me the n900 is the best phone ever, if it's dead I'm sorry to hear it |
| 00:18.36 | FireStorm|| | n900 ok but just few issues with it! |
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| 00:28.59 | pupnik | i think cell phones already exceed what the average persons wants to do with them |
| 00:29.40 | pupnik | the things that have growth potential seem to be services, related to location |
| 00:29.47 | SpeedEvil | Or tracking. |
| 00:29.54 | pupnik | 'i want to do this' 'i'm looking for that' |
| 00:30.10 | internetishard | "augmented reality" seems wanted |
| 00:30.28 | SpeedEvil | 'A girl that others have rated as having really nice breasts is about to come round that corner'. |
| 00:30.49 | SpeedEvil | That's the killer app right there. |
| 00:31.02 | pupnik | 'here's her favorite music. start playing on speaker now?' |
| 00:31.54 | SpeedEvil | 'She is on a diet tracking website, and eats a bagel about this time. The shop over there sells bagels consistently rated excellent' |
| 00:34.56 | pupnik | always feels a bit blase when a technology matures |
| 00:35.18 | pupnik | ... like watching your wife get fat |
| 00:35.55 | SpeedEvil | Treadmill + generator. |
| 00:38.19 | internetishard | how do you recommend I mount a 100Gig volume over the network for playing music on the n900? |
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| 00:38.34 | internetishard | I know there is a mpd client for the n900, but I don't know about an mpd server |
| 00:39.04 | internetishard | furthermore, I might want a script to downcode some of the music so that it streams over 3g and 2g when I'm not on wifi |
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| 00:41.27 | mikhas | internetishard, just guessing here, but perhaps you're looking for http://maemo.org/packages/view/zhaan/ |
| 00:42.22 | internetishard | not really sure what that is, but I guess I'll try it |
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| 00:46.29 | pupnik | internetishard: oh you want to play media on the N900, not on the PC? |
| 00:46.43 | pupnik | i prefer Knots2 for that |
| 00:47.19 | internetishard | I think I've figured out playing media on the PC via the n900, now I want visa versa (playing it on the n900) |
| 00:47.51 | SpeedEvil | internetishard: Why not just take a ~16G subset of your music? |
| 00:49.29 | pupnik | that's slow and reduces random-access |
| 00:50.02 | internetishard | I do, but I also want access to all of it |
| 00:50.42 | internetishard | plus, eventually, I'd like to be able to stream movies by doing this too (the server will down encode them to something that can stream without buffering over wifi or even 3g |
| 00:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ got the CSSU issue and the broken VoIP (and the brightness slider) sorted |
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| 00:51.56 | pupnik | what was the problem DocScrutinizer ? |
| 00:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | now I realize it's not allowed by sipgate (or by router) to call my own SIP number, even when I got multiple clients registered and online |
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| 00:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: dependency hell with modified-hildon-desktop vs hildon-desktop-CSSU on 140 vs 142 revision |
| 00:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | so DO NOT install CSSU when you got MHD installed, or even when you downgraded to the 140 version |
| 00:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | I still fail to completely understand how that circle dependency worked, but it mad CSSU fail to install hildon-desktop142 |
| 00:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | made* |
| 00:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | this in turn caused the cssu-enabler to abort, which borked the brightness applet, and you couldn't apt-get remove the MHD because of CSSU dependency |
| 00:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | something alng that line |
| 00:57.20 | internetishard | I hope you've figured out how to get paid doing this stuff DocScrutinizer |
| 00:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | alas not yet |
| 00:57.54 | pupnik | the oven has improved my usb connector |
| 00:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | heh :-D |
| 00:58.09 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: that's a lot of keyboard shortcuts! in MHD |
| 00:58.42 | pupnik | seems like it was written just for you |
| 00:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, MHD aka CSSU-HD142 has some nice shortcuts |
| 01:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | a short demo: (key+ means press and hold, key- means release) ctrl+, bs+, ctrl-, ..., ctrl, ctrl, ctrl, ctrl+, bs-, bs, bs, bs, bs+, ctrl-, bs-. --- shift-s closes 2nd-left 2nd-topmost app |
| 01:03.18 | pupnik | do you ever toggle compositing? |
| 01:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | don't even know what's that supposed to do |
| 01:04.05 | pupnik | \"ctrl-shift-n toggles composite mode " |
| 01:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | I tried and couldn't tell the diff |
| 01:04.47 | pupnik | so it didn't disable blur/transitions |
| 01:04.50 | pupnik | interesting |
| 01:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | aah, transitions and blurr |
| 01:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check |
| 01:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | can't tell any diff - still does transitions, still there's blurr when menu opens |
| 01:08.26 | pupnik | ok interesting |
| 01:08.31 | pupnik | god i love having 'locate' on n900 now |
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| 01:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | meh, still doesn't work here though I installed it and afaik even kicked off an update-db once |
| 01:10.01 | pupnik | it installs to the wrong bin dir |
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| 01:10.17 | pupnik | like /usr/bin/gnu/bin or something like that |
| 01:10.49 | pupnik | i just moved the files to /usr/bin and it works |
| 01:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | leme check |
| 01:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | else |
| 01:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | : ${find:=${BINDIR}/find} |
| 01:16.07 | pupnik | so 'which locate' finds locate? |
| 01:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# updatedb |
| 01:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | find: unrecognized: -fstype |
| 01:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) multi-call binary |
| 01:16.35 | pupnik | Version: 4.4.2-1maemo7 << ? |
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| 01:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | locate works great, updatedb doesn't |
| 01:16.59 | pupnik | does here |
| 01:17.19 | pupnik | that looks like a bug reported to the app though |
| 01:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | as the *good* find isn't in /usr/bin but in /usr/bin/gnu |
| 01:17.55 | pupnik | ahh |
| 01:18.04 | pupnik | yes i moved find up |
| 01:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke messybox |
| 01:18.19 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at messybox ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 01:18.26 | pupnik | updatedb flies... like 30 seconds here |
| 01:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | actually that's kind of a bug in updatedb |
| 01:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | see -> : ${find:=${BINDIR}/find} |
| 01:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | should use path |
| 01:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | if find in $PATH |
| 01:20.17 | pupnik | ahh |
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| 01:20.41 | pupnik | is /usr/bin/gnu in your path?? |
| 01:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | I got /usr/bin/gnu in my PATH |
| 01:20.47 | pupnik | ok |
| 01:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | given the fact updatedb usually gets started via cron, it's a bit arguable how much it should benefit from that |
| 01:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | but a hardcoded BINDIR=/usr/bin looks fishy anyway |
| 01:22.38 | Tja | hello I have fremantle on my n900 and the gps isnt finding anything at all. is that normal? im in west germany and others do work here fine like the 2nd google mobile phone by htc which ever that was |
| 01:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | insert a SIM, register to provider |
| 01:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | GPS is known to be sluggish without GSM |
| 01:23.56 | pupnik | i've never gotten a lock indoors here |
| 01:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | indoors, well |
| 01:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | depends here |
| 01:24.12 | Tja | I never ran it without that |
| 01:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes takes 60s - sometimes never |
| 01:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | use location test app |
| 01:25.02 | pupnik | teh cruuze missiles always know where i am |
| 01:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | in extras-devel I guess |
| 01:25.39 | Tja | Doc is that in the normal app repos? |
| 01:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | Tja: you have a recent OS? |
| 01:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I guess it's in extras-devel |
| 01:26.20 | Tja | fremantle repos are up to date here |
| 01:26.46 | Tja | just befor logging in i checked no updates |
| 01:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | even tools |
| 01:27.06 | Tja | hm? |
| 01:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | location-test-gui: Installed: 0.93-1+0m5 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/non-free Packages |
| 01:28.23 | internetishard | you guys using the USB host mode successfully yet to plug in usb flash drives? |
| 01:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 01:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't have published it otherwise :-P |
| 01:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | Tja: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_non-free_armel/location-test-gui/0.93-1+0m5/ |
| 01:33.34 | Tja | ok |
| 01:34.19 | Tja | what is that tools repo fremantle-1.3? |
| 01:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | developer tools |
| 01:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | most of them for PC, in SB |
| 01:36.22 | DocScrutinizer | some work on N900 as well |
| 01:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 01:36.55 | Tja | whats the apt sources-list line? |
| 01:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 01:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | wait a minute |
| 01:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools see the first line under first white box |
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| 01:39.05 | Tja | btw sorry if I'm looking a lil illiterate but I'm at the device right now |
| 01:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | that's actually good, so you just need to click that link :-) |
| 01:40.28 | Tja | awesome thanks |
| 01:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | it's not my fault if you ignore the warnings :-D |
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| 01:41.49 | Tja | Doc Im running sid on my normal wo4k box dont worry ;-) |
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| 01:42.22 | Tja | and I slowly grasp this derivative |
| 01:43.38 | pupnik | community is so cool here... making stuff like catorise |
| 01:43.41 | pupnik | and having a repo for it |
| 01:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | meh, apmefo >> catorise |
| 01:44.08 | pupnik | oh that's new to me |
| 01:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | apmefo has a clumsy config GUI. catorise has NO config |
| 01:45.18 | Tja | is there a way to alien apkgs from android to be debs |
| 01:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | errrr |
| 01:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | android apps most likely won't run on maemo |
| 01:45.59 | Tja | just asking dunno if thats possible |
| 01:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | if that's what you are asking |
| 01:46.09 | Tja | ah |
| 01:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | android != linux |
| 01:46.25 | Tja | hmm no chance poorting that jvm? |
| 01:46.34 | Tja | yeah |
| 01:46.41 | pupnik | catorise is great for having no config :D |
| 01:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | and no, dalvik hasn't been ported (yet?) |
| 01:46.54 | Tja | hum |
| 01:47.00 | pupnik | closed source one is waiting for oem deals |
| 01:47.16 | pupnik | or rather unreleased one |
| 01:47.28 | Tja | android != debian is correct since android _has_ a linux core |
| 01:47.44 | SpeedEvil | Tja: In the loosest sense. |
| 01:48.03 | SpeedEvil | Tja: It is linux -yes. It's really not gnu/linux though. |
| 01:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | the kernel API differs quite a bit |
| 01:48.24 | SpeedEvil | It's like saying that a dune buggy has the same engine as a fork lift. |
| 01:48.40 | SpeedEvil | While this may be strictly true, it's not actually a useful observation. |
| 01:48.55 | Tja | yeah |
| 01:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | moo SpeedEvil |
| 01:49.18 | SpeedEvil | oow. |
| 01:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | ooɯ |
| 01:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | sÄ±É¥Ê ÊÉ×dsıp uÉÉ ÊuÇı×É Éɹı ɹnoÊ ÇdoÉ¥ |
| 01:52.46 | Tja | yep |
| 01:53.36 | Tja | acwp was almost correct |
| 01:53.38 | SpeedEvil | --- - --- - -- - - ---- - - - -- -- -. |
| 01:53.58 | Tja | anyway gonna test it again later |
| 01:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: OTOTMTTxTTTMMT ?? |
| 01:56.46 | SpeedEvil | Naah - that was edge-on letters. |
| 01:57.06 | SpeedEvil | You need 3D to see them. |
| 01:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
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| 02:09.30 | pupnik | there used to be a 'cryopid' project to swap out linux processes to disc - sort of like what android does |
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| 02:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | if you're loosely interested in dbus: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/dbus |
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| 02:35.19 | pupnik | large copy operations still bog down the device |
| 02:35.28 | pupnik | swapolube doesn't seem to fix that |
| 02:35.45 | pupnik | waiting 1 minute for a ssh login |
| 02:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | swappiness=? |
| 02:37.14 | pupnik | ... still waiting for a shell |
| 02:37.19 | pupnik | how do i see that |
| 02:37.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 02:38.20 | pupnik | 3 minutes |
| 02:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 02:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | kill the copy as loong as you can in a gentle way |
| 02:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | odds are it might take days or weeks |
| 02:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | and eventually you just can remove battery |
| 02:40.14 | pupnik | well it managed to finish a 750 MB file |
| 02:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | powerbutton ->kill current task |
| 02:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 02:40.40 | pupnik | no happiness with powerbutton |
| 02:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | don't stack up too many user actins, they all pile up in buffer |
| 02:41.43 | pupnik | device shut down |
| 02:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | eventually power menu will open, and you'll be happy if there's no other crap spoiling it |
| 02:41.53 | pupnik | ahh rebooting |
| 02:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | so you pressed the power button for >10s I guess |
| 02:42.53 | pupnik | swappiness 30 |
| 02:42.57 | pupnik | no i didn't |
| 02:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 02:43.05 | pupnik | it probably thought i did |
| 02:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | scary |
| 02:43.28 | pupnik | is there a better swappiness setting? |
| 02:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | cat botreason |
| 02:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | boot even |
| 02:44.13 | pupnik | 32wd_to |
| 02:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | damn, can't find the file |
| 02:45.22 | pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69973 |
| 02:45.33 | pupnik | looks like something to try |
| 02:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 02:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | still interested in bootreason FQN |
| 02:46.24 | pupnik | bootreason was 32wd_to |
| 02:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | FQN, not content |
| 02:46.46 | pupnik | what is FQN |
| 02:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | fully qualified name |
| 02:47.07 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | path/filename |
| 02:47.13 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 02:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | oooh lol, I searched on my PC |
| 02:48.27 | pupnik | got a "media is read-only until fixed" message |
| 02:49.36 | pupnik | ok so now MyDocs is corrupt |
| 02:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | that's what you'd expect on such action |
| 02:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | fsck from ass rage ->PC |
| 02:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | or umount and fsck on device |
| 02:51.18 | pupnik | 'ass rage'? |
| 02:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | mass rage |
| 02:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | sto rage |
| 02:51.44 | pupnik | oh |
| 02:52.33 | pupnik | differing fats... use first or second? |
| 02:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 02:52.48 | pupnik | i'm guessing the second is the one before the error |
| 02:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 02:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 02:53.04 | pupnik | but it might not have the files that did copy |
| 02:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | so what |
| 02:53.21 | pupnik | yeah ok |
| 02:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | those a junk anyway |
| 02:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | (searched on my PC) time to chill |
| 02:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | this PR1.3 mp-fremantle-generic-pr upgrade plus CSSU deps hell fix experience was just too funny for one evening |
| 02:57.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | so ping me on my nice autostarted xchat on pr1.3 cssu if anything interesting flies by |
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| 02:58.34 | GAN900 | Android makes me miss "tap outside dialog to close". |
| 02:58.45 | pupnik | oh wow those vm changes made everything better |
| 02:59.57 | pupnik | wow! |
| 03:00.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 03:01.05 | pupnik | "Reducing I/O queues to 4 causes I/Os to block, rather than queue. This means you're less likely to encounter a situation where the queue is slammed by a large background process (ie. copying a 400mb file)" |
| 03:01.32 | pupnik | ssh login during copy took ~4 seconds |
| 03:03.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | parameter? |
| 03:07.51 | ShadowJK | 0 > /sys/block/*/queue/nr-request |
| 03:07.57 | ShadowJK | or something such |
| 03:07.59 | ShadowJK | 4 not 0 |
| 03:08.14 | ShadowJK | used to run with 4 on N800 and N810 too :-) |
| 03:08.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 03:08.33 | ShadowJK | But now I'm using something ludicrously large on N900 |
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| 03:11.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | 128 here now |
| 03:11.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | for both |
| 03:12.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | what' that? IO requests, blocks? |
| 03:13.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ponders which initfile to tweak |
| 03:13.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | initscript |
| 03:14.05 | pupnik | heh one speaker decided to start working again |
| 03:14.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 03:14.34 | pupnik | aahh both! |
| 03:14.35 | pupnik | wtf |
| 03:14.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | muhahalol |
| 03:14.56 | nox- | haha |
| 03:15.06 | pupnik | including the one i photographed taken apart |
| 03:15.16 | nox- | wow |
| 03:15.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | incredible |
| 03:15.51 | pupnik | it's a bit quieter than the other |
| 03:16.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | any suggestions where to throw in that echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests ? |
| 03:17.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | in etc/init.d/* |
| 03:18.28 | pupnik | don't know.. i ran it in a shell as root |
| 03:19.24 | pupnik | lol @ nethack-common in /etc/init.d |
| 03:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | sure, but I'm not Seymor Cray |
| 03:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | I don't boot up my digital equipment by toggling in the bootloader via bit switches |
| 03:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, I did enough mess today, so a bootloop won't hurt XP - tossed it into rcS |
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| 03:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | dmnit! somebody is probably writing those "128" to there, and it's done after my lines in rcS |
| 03:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: who's setting the values initially? kernel defaults? |
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| 03:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | etc/init.d/rcS: |
| 03:59.37 | pupnik | psx itself gets only 50% cpu - the rest is Xorg, hildon-desktop, pulseaudio |
| 03:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | ++ echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1" |
| 03:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | ++ echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots2" |
| 03:59.49 | pupnik | heh |
| 04:00.10 | pupnik | it sucks when the OS is taking up 1/2 the cpu |
| 04:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | tested, works (as far as there's "4" in those sysnodes now, and it boots) |
| 04:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | psx? |
| 04:01.13 | pupnik | testing the newest playstation emulator |
| 04:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 04:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | pondering whether to cp ~/MySpace/1GBfile .. |
| 04:02.12 | pupnik | 19.1 /usr/bin/Xorg 17.9 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop 11.4 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority |
| 04:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | MyDocs |
| 04:02.18 | pupnik | haha |
| 04:02.22 | pupnik | go for it |
| 04:02.27 | pupnik | works now, here |
| 04:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 04:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | so edit your rcS to include it by default |
| 04:05.43 | pupnik | i can do that, but i won't yet |
| 04:06.54 | pupnik | hmm i've got the dropped ssh connection problem again |
| 04:07.08 | pupnik | it freezes until i re-ping something |
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| 04:20.24 | pupnik | Last Measured Discharge: 1370 mA |
| 04:20.29 | pupnik | pretty happy |
| 04:24.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | sounds about right |
| 04:26.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | 1380 here |
| 04:27.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | RS=22 |
| 04:30.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | Cycle Count since Learning: 4 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 66 |
| 04:35.00 | pupnik | hmm i have Cycle Count since Learning: 0 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 0 |
| 04:36.01 | pupnik | does that mean the n900 doesn't know my new battery's capacity yet? |
| 04:36.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 04:37.22 | pupnik | but i discharged fully |
| 04:37.33 | pupnik | (charging occurred with external charger) |
| 04:38.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | it needs a full cycle, and even one doesn't suffice as those values don't change more than iirc 1/6 |
| 04:41.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: well maybe it means you just finished the learning cycle |
| 04:41.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's your flags? |
| 04:41.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | mine 0x04 |
| 04:42.13 | pupnik | Flags: 0x90 |
| 04:42.58 | pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/109831/ |
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| 04:46.32 | Termana | good morning |
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| 04:50.52 | pupnik | hiya Termana |
| 04:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | CI Capacity Inaccurate flag. A 1 indicates that the firmware has not been through a valid learning cycle |
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| 04:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | VDQ Valid Discharge flag. A 1 indicates that the bqJUNIOR has met all necessary requirements for the firmware to learn the battery capacity. This bit clears to 0 on a LMD update or condition that disqualifies a learning cycle. This bit is cleared to 0 on all resets. |
| 04:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | <pupnik> (charging occurred with external charger) removing battery will reset the bq27200 after a few seconds |
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| 05:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | EDV1 (3248mV) This register contains the scaled value of the voltage when the battery has 6.25% remaining capacity. When the battery reaches this threshold during a valid discharge, the device learns the full battery capacity, including the remaining 6.25%. |
| 05:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | EDV1 is a constant in EEPROM, it means you need to discharge a fully charged battery to 3.248V to complete a learning cycle |
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| 05:17.58 | pupnik | is the n900 display somehow "IPS"? the colors are really stable |
| 05:18.15 | pupnik | aha... ty DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 05:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: your script runs with RS=30, this will give values way off what's correct |
| 05:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | it's amazing that ILMD (initial capacity default) is 1370mAh with RS=30, but my batgauge calculates LastMeasuredDischarge (real one) as 1380 with RS=22 - while ILMD is 1869mAh with RS=22 |
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| 05:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | It seems like the chip's EEPROM has been programmed to work with 30, but actually the N900 is using 22 (or 20) now |
| 05:40.23 | pupnik | you mean 1839mAh with RS-30 ? |
| 05:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | no, with 22 |
| 05:40.56 | pupnik | your batgauge calculates LastMeasuredDischarge (real one) as 1380 with RS=22 ? |
| 05:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 05:41.07 | pupnik | and ILMD is 1869mAh with RS=22 |
| 05:41.09 | pupnik | ? |
| 05:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 05:41.25 | pupnik | so ILMD != LastMeasuredDischarge? |
| 05:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | so a few learning cycles adjusted LMD from 1869 initial (from EEPROM) to a real 1380 |
| 05:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | ILMD is the *initial* default value from EEPROM |
| 05:42.36 | pupnik | ohh |
| 05:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | on your reading both are 1370, as LMD got set to ILMD |
| 05:43.03 | pupnik | got it |
| 05:43.45 | pupnik | so this battery manufacturer may be honest |
| 05:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | mine is |
| 05:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 05:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | you need to edit your script for RS=22, then discharge your battery from full to 3.248V |
| 05:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | and you need to do this 2 or 3 times, to tune the 1896mAh to the real capacity of your bat, as LMD adjusts by max 1/6 at a time afaik |
| 05:46.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~1869 / 6 * 5 |
| 05:46.39 | infobot | 1557.5 |
| 05:46.53 | pupnik | my ILMD=1370 |
| 05:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~1557 / 6 * 5 |
| 05:46.57 | infobot | 1297.5 |
| 05:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: because your RS=30 |
| 05:47.58 | pupnik | ahhhh ILMD=2056 |
| 05:48.03 | pupnik | with RS=20 |
| 05:48.43 | pupnik | well since usb-charging is now miraculously good, i think i can try the discharge/recharge thing |
| 05:48.54 | pupnik | thanks, this will help me review the battery |
| 05:49.43 | pupnik | got a 'polarcell' |
| 05:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109834/ |
| 05:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: http://paste.debian.net/109835/ |
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| 05:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109836/ |
| 05:55.50 | pupnik | i see |
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| 05:56.10 | pupnik | complicated |
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| 05:56.22 | pupnik | well documented tho |
| 05:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109837/ even better |
| 05:57.54 | pupnik | how did you find out the resistor was 20 not 30? |
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| 05:58.27 | pupnik | why do i always ping heise.de to test |
| 05:58.52 | pupnik | web.de would be shorter, but heise.de is funner to type somehow |
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| 06:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | somebody measured the current drawn from battery and compared that to bq27200 readout |
| 06:01.05 | pupnik | ah |
| 06:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | roughly spoken |
| 06:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | I'm rather sure it's 22mR |
| 06:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | not 20 |
| 06:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | YMMV |
| 06:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | 1 milli Ohm isn't much |
| 06:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | can easily vary from device to device |
| 06:03.12 | ds3 | is 20ohm a possible 1% value? I'd think for stuff like this, you want a 1% not a 5% resistor |
| 06:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | milli |
| 06:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | and it's 2 in series |
| 06:03.37 | ds3 | 20mohm I mean |
| 06:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | so quite possibly 2 * 10mR + 2mR for solderjoints and PCB traces |
| 06:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | or 2 * 11 |
| 06:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | both are usual values |
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| 17:05.25 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/ |
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| 17:05.42 | n1x0n | BCMM: nah just a fail with not puttin /j before channel name ;P |
| 17:05.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 17:05.58 | apt | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
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| 17:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | @ops, please kick apt as soon as infobot joins |
| 17:07.48 | mece | who's apt? |
| 17:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | (though I guess that'll not happen) |
| 17:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | apt is infobot's alter ego |
| 17:08.17 | mece | that douche! |
| 17:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | mece: /whois apt |
| 17:09.00 | mece | ye got it already |
| 17:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | not who's abp? |
| 17:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | apt* |
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| 17:11.02 | [criipt] | I searched alot for a solution, But I still can't find a way to block 3.5G on my n900. |
| 17:11.17 | lcuk | [criipt], a lead lined case helps. |
| 17:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | when Tim Riker reboots, apt probably will /quit prior to infobot joining here |
| 17:11.31 | [criipt] | =P |
| 17:11.35 | [criipt] | I want to use 3G though. |
| 17:11.43 | [criipt] | Just 3.5G i want to block. |
| 17:11.46 | newbie007 | BCMM: Thanks |
| 17:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: that's impossible |
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| 17:12.00 | MohammadAG | I think the operator decides what you want |
| 17:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | grr |
| 17:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | [criipt]: ^^^ |
| 17:12.24 | [criipt] | MohammadAG, Well, there is this applet to switch between 2G and 3G. |
| 17:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | sorry crashanddie_ |
| 17:12.40 | MohammadAG | 2G and 3G are different |
| 17:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | [criipt]: x.5 is x.0 with enhanced parameters |
| 17:13.05 | [criipt] | huh.. DocScrutinizer, Nokia cells allow you to switch between utms and HSDP right ! why not possible on n900. |
| 17:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | you can't block .5 without blocking .0 as well |
| 17:13.34 | MohammadAG | Most Nokia phones I've used only allow 2G or 3(.5)G |
| 17:13.56 | [criipt] | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG , Reason, Im doing this is cause. My plan is for 3G alone. and the moment it switched to 3.5G the speeds drop ridiculously low. |
| 17:14.08 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: sorry? |
| 17:14.08 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 17:14.17 | newbie007 | I think if maemo was ported (perhaps pirated) over to some of these android driven machines then users would start dropping andoid and maemo would take off |
| 17:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: for ETAB |
| 17:14.30 | crashanddie_ | wut? |
| 17:14.43 | [criipt] | DocScrutinizer, Darn =( |
| 17:14.52 | jacekowski | [criipt]: it's same thing |
| 17:14.52 | MohammadAG | newbie007, port debian and hildon-desktop, it's easier |
| 17:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie_: that's impossible <- was meant to [criipt] |
| 17:15.10 | javispedro | pirated =) |
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| 17:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, lol |
| 17:16.38 | javispedro | well |
| 17:17.10 | javispedro | the top two games in android's app store most sold items list are gpl violations, so maybe "Pirated" was the right word there. |
| 17:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | you could 'pirate' all the blobs - if you could :-P |
| 17:17.48 | javispedro | ;P |
| 17:18.38 | javispedro | worries about state of council elections |
| 17:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 17:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | /topic ! |
| 17:20.17 | javispedro | I'm not sure those deadlines are viable anymore. |
| 17:20.36 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the topic is: |
| 17:20.37 | lcuk | Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/ |
| 17:20.47 | javispedro | lcuk: botsnack! ;) |
| 17:21.00 | lcuk | sometimes it helps :P |
| 17:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes it also helps to actually read it |
| 17:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | esp the last |* I added some two days ago |
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| 17:22.08 | lcuk | I pasted it for others to see |
| 17:22.10 | lcuk | :P |
| 17:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
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| 17:22.49 | lcuk | the topic is there but it is a very long string and irc clients often only show a single line |
| 17:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 17:23.10 | MohammadAG | time to upgrade some clients |
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| 17:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | my xchat actually hides it completely |
| 17:23.57 | javispedro | this channel's #topic has always been too long |
| 17:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | /topic however should work on all clients |
| 17:24.02 | javispedro | yet I'm not sure what I would remove. |
| 17:24.08 | javispedro | er.. |
| 17:24.13 | javispedro | s/\//#/ |
| 17:24.14 | FauxFaux | Pretty much all clients print the topic in response to /topic, don't they? |
| 17:24.20 | javispedro | damn. |
| 17:24.23 | FauxFaux | Tinyurl time. |
| 17:24.30 | MohammadAG | I'd remove maemo.nokia.com :) |
| 17:24.38 | MohammadAG | bit.ly is shorter |
| 17:24.55 | javispedro | url shorteners are for pussies |
| 17:25.00 | MohammadAG | hah |
| 17:25.06 | MohammadAG | also, why are meego sources in the topic? |
| 17:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: just about every chan's topic tends to be too long |
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| 17:25.30 | javispedro | look at the top #10, in users. |
| 17:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: because these are in fact maemo sources ;-P |
| 17:25.55 | FauxFaux | MohammadAG: http://tinyarro.ws/ ¬_¬ |
| 17:26.07 | javispedro | maemo is longest of all top 40 channels or so |
| 17:26.08 | MohammadAG | I don't open sites ending with .ws :P |
| 17:26.46 | javispedro | it is also virtually second longest of the top #1000 channels =) |
| 17:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | I don't open any URL that's not clear about what it is |
| 17:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's just since I ruthlessly truncated the #openmoko* topics :-D |
| 17:28.00 | javispedro | we should just set a shorter topic inspired by some other channels topic |
| 17:28.10 | javispedro | like "More wag, less bark" |
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| 17:28.42 | maybeArgh | more waaagh? |
| 17:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, most of the topic is heritage, possibly from channel owner/founder |
| 17:29.20 | javispedro | "Insert credit to continue" =) |
| 17:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'm reluctant to do heavy editing on it |
| 17:29.40 | javispedro | same -- <javispedro> yet I'm not sure what I would remove. |
| 17:29.55 | lcuk | "Patches welcome" |
| 17:30.46 | ZogG_laptop | me again |
| 17:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | he again! |
| 17:31.08 | ZogG_laptop | i feel bad about bugging people, but ping Venemo =0 |
| 17:31.37 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer, whenu wasn't here javispedro was laughting about me =( |
| 17:32.05 | javispedro | are you alligoodidea/govprog? then no, I wasn't :P |
| 17:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | ooohnoes, I missed a laugh |
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| 17:33.40 | ZogG_laptop | my friend is doing CPU's at intel (he got job) but he is unwilling to bring me some i7's home =( |
| 17:35.30 | javispedro | well, Intel is large you know, probably only marketing guys get that ;) |
| 17:36.21 | ZogG_laptop | acuyally he told they only make chips with no box and pins |
| 17:36.28 | ZogG_laptop | like only the inside of CPUs |
| 17:37.00 | javispedro | while on the topic of the /topic, maybe we could remove the Source: section and add it to ChanServ's welcome to this channel msg. |
| 17:37.04 | ZogG_laptop | i hate word boost as google get it wrong |
| 17:37.26 | javispedro | also maemo.nokia.com link, which, as flashy and cool the site is, hasn't been updated in ages. |
| 17:37.33 | ZogG_laptop | | http://maemo.nokia.com/ â that is irrilevant as there we have old info |
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| 17:38.50 | ZogG_laptop | i propose one wiki page for IRC with important info like maemo council link, maemo link at nokia and some rules and here in topic only most important hot topics |
| 17:39.00 | ZogG_laptop | like PR1.4 is comming out soon |
| 17:39.49 | javispedro | people, vote! |
| 17:40.01 | ZogG_laptop | +over9000 |
| 17:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: chanserv welcome frequently gets lost in login chat of client |
| 17:40.36 | javispedro | ok... |
| 17:40.50 | javispedro | so I'd take ZogG_laptop 's idea and make "Exploring Maemo's source" wiki page entry point |
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| 17:41.25 | javispedro | that would probably be even better than the current links... |
| 17:41.27 | ZogG_laptop | but topic whould be like "Welcome to the official maemo community, if't your first time check wiki.maemo.org/IRC. | This week new Qt was released |
| 17:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: appreciated |
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| 17:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop's idea has quite some appeal |
| 17:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | ...if we can lock that page |
| 17:42.39 | ZogG_laptop | where first one would be static with maemo wiki link about IRC and maybe maemo link and second part is dynamic |
| 17:42.53 | _|Nix|_ | Hey! Has anyone successfully used fMMS? I'm trying tosend a picture taken with my N900 and it keeps timing out. Will it start to work if I set it to a smaller picture size? |
| 17:43.05 | andre__ | try and report back? |
| 17:43.13 | ZogG_laptop | i think we should elect DocScrutinizer as the topic master and he should update topic every hour from mwkn twitter =) |
| 17:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:43.33 | ZogG_laptop | _|Nix|_, you sould try, worked for me |
| 17:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | just because I'm a bot doesn't mean I'm acting like a script |
| 17:44.22 | ZogG_laptop | you don't? |
| 17:44.40 | ZogG_laptop | so why did you try "sudo make love" on me last evening here? |
| 17:45.19 | ZogG_laptop | i' desperate |
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| 17:45.37 | MohammadAG | cause he knew the user wasn't in sudoers |
| 17:45.52 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, don't help him out of this one |
| 17:46.08 | ZogG_laptop | i'm stuck with my client |
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| 17:46.41 | ZogG_laptop | and i wanted to implant 2 last things before i make 0.0.1 release and up it to extra-extra-devel-devil |
| 17:48.11 | merlin1991 | -deve-devil what's that for, compiling vb script to c and do random echos to kmem? |
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| 17:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | defcon1, Pinky err ZogG_laptop has a plan to conquer the world |
| 17:54.08 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i don't plan, i just put the aim and do it |
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| 17:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | how about a nice game of chess? |
| 17:56.04 | MohammadAG | sigh @ email on maemo-developers |
| 17:56.25 | javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources |
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| 17:58.20 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 17:58.58 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/ |
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| 18:00.00 | javispedro | ok, /topic topic is now shorter than #freenode 's ; I guess that's OK for me =) |
| 18:01.14 | javispedro | adds CSSU gitorious page to the list |
| 18:01.40 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro, and cssu chan than |
| 18:02.08 | javispedro | that would be for the IRC page, let's keep Sources for sources. |
| 18:02.19 | javispedro | I think it should also be reference from the "Development" tab in maemo.org |
| 18:02.22 | javispedro | it's getting outdated. |
| 18:02.26 | javispedro | *referenced. |
| 18:02.38 | ZogG_laptop | oh i thought that one was for irc |
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| 18:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | if it were for irc, then I'd shorten the topic more radically |
| 18:11.56 | javispedro | yes, though I'm not sure if there's any better page for that than "maemo.org" itself. |
| 18:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the council landing page is kinda errr hostile? At least it's not a page about who and what is council |
| 18:13.01 | javispedro | yes, it is a news page after all |
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| 18:13.09 | javispedro | the "what the hell it is" page is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council |
| 18:13.44 | Jaffa | Cos http://maemo.org/community/council/ is the news feed (as midgard seems to call it) |
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| 18:15.12 | javispedro | ouch, wiki's rss feed is failing. |
| 18:15.18 | javispedro | *rss feed import thing |
| 18:15.28 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/ |
| 18:15.46 | javispedro | (I mean http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Recent_blog_posts ) |
| 18:16.17 | javispedro | just tried resubmitting it to see if it invoked a refresh but no.. |
| 18:16.25 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/ |
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| 18:22.43 | javispedro | thinks the irc entry point page doesn't look that good: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Javispedro/IRC_Entry_Point |
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| 18:25.16 | javispedro | maybe a IRC FAQ page, like there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ and http://wiki.maemo.org/User_FAQ ;) |
| 18:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 18:28.39 | Venemo | hmm |
| 18:29.21 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, =) |
| 18:29.26 | Venemo | both Thunerbird on my laptop and Modest on my N900 are set to put my sent mail into the Sent folder. still, I don't see messages sent from N900 in Thunderbird, nor messages sent from laptop in Modest |
| 18:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, not actually. It's too lengthy and dynamic. The maemo.org/IRC landing zone should just duplicate the topic as is, maybe with a bit elaborated wording, and including/referring a few IRC guidelines. For the rest just link to the relevant webpages |
| 18:29.59 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, how's your project? :) |
| 18:30.06 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, terrible |
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| 18:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so your first shot was a better hit |
| 18:31.04 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, did u built something with boost? can't link it |
| 18:31.11 | Sc0rpius | Venemo, Sent emails from Modest are stored in a local N900 Sent folder |
| 18:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | though it really doesn't look good yet |
| 18:31.27 | Sc0rpius | and Modest doesn't support to save your Sent mails in your remote folder |
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| 18:31.38 | Sc0rpius | and yes, it would be nice if someday it does that |
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| 18:32.32 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I haven't |
| 18:34.58 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: if you tell me how to put that xmms thingy on my Fedora, I'll put together a quick demo |
| 18:35.17 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo just install it |
| 18:35.22 | ZogG_laptop | xmms2 is the name |
| 18:36.21 | ZogG_laptop | http://xmms2.org/wiki/Download_XMMS2 |
| 18:36.26 | ZogG_laptop | here are the links |
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| 18:42.20 | Venemo | ZogG: sorry |
| 18:42.27 | Venemo | ZogG: this shit keeps freezing |
| 18:42.57 | Venemo | ZogG: http://fpaste.org/75IO/ -> which are the ones I need? |
| 18:43.21 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, http://xmms2.org/wiki/Download_XMMS2 here are links |
| 18:43.28 | ZogG_laptop | under fedora section |
| 18:43.57 | AsiQue | hey all, is there any xterm available in the sdk (when runing xypher) or can i use scratchboxe's terminal for it? |
| 18:44.07 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I won't install random tarballs if there are packages in the repo |
| 18:44.14 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: just please tell me which packages I need |
| 18:46.19 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, u need pulse, mp3, xmms2 |
| 18:46.29 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: ok |
| 18:47.20 | ZogG_laptop | and pulse if u use pulseaudio |
| 18:48.40 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: okay |
| 18:49.12 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, u may want gxmms2 as GUI for this, and xmms2-devel for api/client libs |
| 18:50.21 | Venemo | ookay |
| 18:52.33 | Macer | why is the 3G to 3.5G handoff so horrible |
| 18:52.57 | Macer | every time maemo swaps over i get ahiccup |
| 18:53.18 | Macer | it is driving me nuts. i have to keep dropping it to 2G |
| 18:54.44 | ds3 | what problem do you see on the 3G to 3.5G handoff? |
| 18:55.02 | ds3 | I see a smooth hand off from 2G to 2.5G to 3G to 3.5G |
| 18:55.51 | Macer | it hiccups |
| 18:55.59 | Macer | ssh especially |
| 18:56.09 | Macer | sometimes it doesn't come back |
| 18:56.44 | ds3 | where geographically are you? |
| 18:56.48 | Macer | when i am in an area where it keeps going back and forth |
| 18:56.52 | Macer | chicago |
| 18:56.59 | Macer | i have a strong signal. |
| 18:57.08 | ds3 | *nod* I was just there a few weeks ago |
| 18:57.16 | Macer | but i guess it falls right under the 3.5G threshold |
| 18:57.25 | ds3 | Chicago proper or outlying suburbs? |
| 18:57.32 | Macer | back and forth.... then it keeps doing the hiccup |
| 18:57.40 | Macer | city |
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| 18:58.01 | ds3 | odd |
| 18:58.17 | Macer | also. the video chatting over 3G seems kind of crappy... it will work... but seems almost like tmob is filtering it |
| 18:58.35 | Macer | even in other cities... houston did the same thing.. so did seattle |
| 18:58.56 | ds3 | the only weakcoverage outside ofa bldg was way down south in the 100st area (near Ford City mall) |
| 18:59.02 | Macer | and there arent too many phones that do the sorts of awesome stuff the n900 does. like video chatting over gtalk |
| 18:59.49 | Macer | hope meego is able to video chat :) |
| 18:59.58 | Macer | that one is kind of a deal breaker for me |
| 19:00.01 | Sc0rpius | Meego is dead |
| 19:00.03 | ds3 | I have seen weird stuff when I am roaming (going from TMO to a roaming carrier) |
| 19:00.30 | Macer | Sc0rpius: no it isn't |
| 19:00.41 | Macer | the n900 team is still trying to work on it |
| 19:00.47 | Sc0rpius | it's totally dead, I'm amazed people still think there will be a device using Meego |
| 19:00.55 | Macer | heh |
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| 19:01.06 | Sc0rpius | and Meego on the n900 = TOTAL fail |
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| 19:01.22 | Macer | yah. but that is nokia/ti's fault |
| 19:01.37 | Macer | they roadblocked their own os :) |
| 19:01.41 | rm_work | is that just for now, or will it never work properly due to closed drivers or some such? |
| 19:01.52 | Macer | but some people are still trying to get it working on the n900 but i dont see it any time soon |
| 19:02.09 | rm_work | is the Mer project still alive? |
| 19:02.11 | Macer | rm_work: seems like the closed drivers are the largest issue |
| 19:02.14 | Venemo | rm_work: no |
| 19:02.21 | Macer | no. mer died a while back |
| 19:02.21 | rm_work | :( |
| 19:02.29 | Sc0rpius | I don't think that's the issue |
| 19:02.31 | rm_work | did it die once Stskeeps went to work for Nokia? lol |
| 19:02.44 | Macer | nitdroid would be pretty good for an n810 |
| 19:02.53 | Sc0rpius | so the real solution to everybody's problem is |
| 19:03.03 | Sc0rpius | instead of trying to make something useless as Meego work |
| 19:03.04 | Macer | Sc0rpius: i do |
| 19:03.04 | rm_work | i worked on Mer basically for 3 days during the Maemo/Mozilla hackfest last year |
| 19:03.05 | Macer | if meego had a dull working n900 driver set it would have taken off by now |
| 19:03.09 | Sc0rpius | they should work to make Maemo better. |
| 19:03.13 | rm_work | err, year and a half ago maybe? whatever |
| 19:03.18 | Venemo | rm_work: no, sts abandoned it a while before he joined MeeGo |
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| 19:03.36 | Macer | dull/full |
| 19:03.52 | rm_work | hrm, sad |
| 19:03.55 | ds3 | is Sts still working for Nokia on meego? |
| 19:04.14 | Venemo | ds3, ask him |
| 19:04.49 | javispedro | yes.. |
| 19:04.50 | Macer | Sc0rpius: i think the biggest problem with meego is that it tried to become its own thing |
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| 19:05.08 | Macer | had it been dedicated to the n900 then it could have been done alreasdy |
| 19:05.22 | RST38h | HELO punks |
| 19:05.29 | Macer | but they wanted to add the hardware into the actual linux arm kernel |
| 19:05.34 | Venemo | RST38h: I'm not a punk |
| 19:05.34 | Macer | in hopes that meego would be a portable distro |
| 19:06.16 | RST38h | Venemo: Ok then, you have not been greeted. |
| 19:06.28 | Macer | they should have concentrated on just using the existing maemo base on the n900 and at least showed the world something worth using that was fully functional on a device |
| 19:07.31 | Sc0rpius | hehe |
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| 19:07.42 | Macer | instead of worrying about a future distribution... nobody likes waiting to see how something is when you have android on the forefront |
| 19:07.42 | Sc0rpius | well only an N900 owner would say something like that hehe |
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| 19:07.54 | vi___ | yo |
| 19:07.57 | Macer | probably ;) |
| 19:07.57 | Sc0rpius | but yeah they should have released a device with Meego on it sooner |
| 19:07.59 | Sc0rpius | now it's too late |
| 19:08.16 | Venemo | Macer: they have been using the existing maemo base for Maemo 6, called Harmattan |
| 19:08.18 | Macer | the only way to truly save the project would be to finish it |
| 19:08.25 | vi___ | what is the password for root user when using backupmenu 0.62 ssh? |
| 19:08.45 | Sc0rpius | without big companies paying big salaries, it's unlikely it'll be ever finished |
| 19:09.07 | Macer | Venemo: i meant the existing base as far as a kernel and modules go.. even a chroot would have been better than this long dragged out port |
| 19:09.10 | Venemo | Sc0rpius: intel does |
| 19:09.21 | Sc0rpius | Intel just wants to put Intel Atoms on phones |
| 19:09.27 | vi___ | anyone? i have tried the user password and root password |
| 19:09.30 | vi___ | wtf is it? |
| 19:09.31 | Sc0rpius | that's why they were involved in this |
| 19:09.31 | Macer | Sc0rpius: i disagree. the problem is the lack of a finished driver set or a good openlike device to put it on |
| 19:09.35 | RST38h | Yes, more atoms in phones! |
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| 19:10.19 | Sc0rpius | I know you are all optimistic and stuff |
| 19:10.21 | RST38h | politely suggests omitting the word "open" from discussion: neither companies nor end users are interested in the "open" |
| 19:10.29 | Sc0rpius | even though I don't think I will ever see a Meego device |
| 19:10.38 | Sc0rpius | the contract says Nokia has to release at least ONE Meego device |
| 19:10.45 | Sc0rpius | and that's the N950 everybody has been talking about lately |
| 19:10.53 | Macer | so it just turns into the same rproblem mer had :) |
| 19:10.53 | Macer | lack of hardware |
| 19:10.54 | RST38h | They are interested in a comfortable, feature complete, supported platform though |
| 19:11.01 | frals | Sc0rpius: what contract? |
| 19:11.05 | Venemo | what the f? |
| 19:11.11 | Venemo | N950 is not a MeeGo device |
| 19:11.12 | Sc0rpius | the Nokia - Intel contract about Meego |
| 19:11.18 | Macer | RST38h: haha |
| 19:11.18 | Macer | i said "openlike" ;) |
| 19:11.30 | Sc0rpius | N950 is a Meego device |
| 19:11.31 | frals | Sc0rpius: and you know this how? |
| 19:11.39 | Venemo | Sc0rpius, no, it's a Maemo 6 device |
| 19:11.45 | frals | s/know/'know'/ |
| 19:11.52 | Sc0rpius | http://www.newsden.net/meego-powered-nokia-n9-will-be-replaced-by-n950-6982/ |
| 19:11.58 | Sc0rpius | all links in the world say that. |
| 19:12.02 | vi___ | anyone? |
| 19:12.06 | Sc0rpius | and N9 was cancelled |
| 19:12.14 | Venemo | Sc0rpius, that's because Maemo 6 is marketed as "MeeGo", remember? |
| 19:12.33 | Sc0rpius | Maemo 6 was never finished either |
| 19:12.43 | Sc0rpius | actually I prefer a new Maemo device than Meego devices. |
| 19:12.49 | Sc0rpius | but I'm pretty sure that will be a Meego device |
| 19:13.38 | vi___ | so no one here uses backup menu huh? |
| 19:13.43 | Sc0rpius | I do |
| 19:13.54 | vi___ | have you used the SSH feature yet? |
| 19:13.59 | RST38h | yawns: yes, it will be a Maemo6-based device,otherwose known as Harmattan |
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| 19:14.21 | Venemo | RST38h ++ |
| 19:14.25 | Sc0rpius | nope |
| 19:14.26 | javispedro | EHLO RST38h |
| 19:14.32 | Sc0rpius | I just use it to backup |
| 19:14.33 | javispedro | RST38h: saw http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Can_QtQuick_create_a_Windows_Phone_Hub ;) |
| 19:14.35 | javispedro | ? |
| 19:14.39 | RST38h | All this "meego" stuff, related to it, is just smoke and mirrors from foribly misled Nokia PR department |
| 19:14.45 | vi___ | has ANYONE here used the SSH function of backup menu yet? |
| 19:15.00 | Venemo | RST38h ++ |
| 19:15.02 | RST38h | javispedro: Yea. I think it is a lot of fear+loathing and some mushrooms. |
| 19:15.02 | Macer | RST38h: agreed ;) |
| 19:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st has, I bet |
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| 19:15.45 | Macer | it is all aboutwinmob in 11 |
| 19:15.48 | RST38h | Furthermore, I have no idea why everyone is so pumped up about "meego": unless you are a system developer, like Stskeeps,it makes no freaking difference whether you run your UI on top of Meego or Debian |
| 19:16.00 | Venemo | Macer: winmob is horseshit |
| 19:16.10 | Sc0rpius | well brb, I'm gonna install Win7 SP1 |
| 19:16.13 | vi___ | well robbiethiest is not here... |
| 19:16.16 | RST38h | For systems people, the Meego/Maemo thing does make a bit of difference though |
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| 19:16.58 | vi___ | I am trying to access my device over ssh through backup menu. I can ping it (over usb) but when I try to log in it just says:Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 19:17.09 | vi___ | which is total horsescock |
| 19:18.33 | RST38h | javispedro: here is a bit more interesting piece: http://www.osnews.com/story/24452/Qt_Implementation_for_Android_Introduced |
| 19:19.59 | javispedro | old, and third-party.. |
| 19:20.24 | RST38h | I doubt we will see a first party implementation :) |
| 19:21.20 | rm_work | vi___: you sure it isn't set to the root password of your device? |
| 19:22.23 | vi___ | I am pretty sure I have tried it about 500 times now |
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| 19:24.40 | vi___ | fuck it |
| 19:24.51 | vi___ | it also has mass-storage mode |
| 19:25.01 | vi___ | I can run a fsck on it from there |
| 19:26.44 | ZogG | Venemo, did you managed to install and launch ity? |
| 19:27.14 | javispedro | heard for the first time ever someone pronnounce "Tcl" "tickle". |
| 19:27.22 | vi___ | <Venemo> Macer: winmob is horseshit |
| 19:27.26 | vi___ | concurs |
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| 19:27.59 | Venemo | ZogG, yes |
| 19:28.14 | rm_work | vi___: "passwd command will update the root password, which changes BackupMenu's password by extension." |
| 19:28.26 | RST38h | Why? "tickle" is how it is pronounced,no? |
| 19:29.04 | Venemo | ZogG: and the app that you sent me works too |
| 19:29.40 | javispedro | RST38h: yes. cue confusion. |
| 19:29.40 | rm_work | vi___: according to his comment here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=867856 |
| 19:29.56 | javispedro | (including me; I didn't know better...) |
| 19:30.08 | rm_work | bbl |
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| 19:31.05 | ZogG | Venemo i know it does, but no title thing |
| 19:31.16 | Venemo | ZogG, I'm on it |
| 19:31.32 | ZogG | actually it shows title changes title only as it is lauched for the first time |
| 19:31.49 | ZogG | if you only could explain as well |
| 19:32.03 | ZogG | trying now with glib thing but don' |
| 19:32.13 | ZogG | t like the idea of using it |
| 19:32.37 | ZogG | and on other hand can't link boost to switch to C++ |
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| 19:33.56 | Venemo | ZogG: just leave it to me |
| 19:34.46 | ZogG | that's not fun =( |
| 19:34.54 | ZogG | but at least will get app |
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| 19:41.44 | MohammadAG | ZogG, if you've never seen C/C++, I suggest you don't touch GLib/GObject :) |
| 19:41.57 | vi___ | thats what i though. But...it...just...doesnt...WORK! |
| 19:42.20 | RST38h | In fact,do not touch Boost either |
| 19:42.34 | MohammadAG | err, what's with vi___? |
| 19:42.47 | RST38h | Mohammad:He talks toomuch. |
| 19:44.12 | MohammadAG | I.. see |
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| 19:49.14 | Venemo | ZogG: wait a few more minutes |
| 19:53.44 | ZogG | i'm here |
| 19:56.36 | AsiQue | whos Andrew Flegg? |
| 19:56.54 | AsiQue | what's his nick here i mean :-) |
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| 19:56.57 | Venemo | AsiQue: Jaffa |
| 19:57.04 | AsiQue | tnx |
| 19:57.14 | Wizzup | I suppose I don't need a special cable for h-e-n? |
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| 19:59.07 | Venemo | Wizzup: you need a cable that can connect a microUSB female to a standard USB female |
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| 20:00.01 | Wizzup | Ah, true. |
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| 20:09.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 20:09.57 | apt | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 20:26.27 | Venemo | ZogG: how can I add a song from my collection to xmms2? |
| 20:27.07 | ZogG | Venemo just use xmms2 radd path/to/mp3s |
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| 20:27.32 | Venemo | ok ZogG |
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| 20:28.33 | ensonic | onion: ping |
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| 20:33.36 | ZogG | Venemo or if you installed gxmms2 you can just drag and drop |
| 20:33.45 | Venemo | ZogG: drag and drop doesn't work |
| 20:33.48 | Venemo | ZogG: I tried |
| 20:34.31 | Venemo | ZogG: seems that this stuff doesn't call back the callback correctly. |
| 20:35.00 | ZogG | lol |
| 20:35.28 | Venemo | it does call it back the first time I hit any of the buttons |
| 20:35.36 | Venemo | then sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't |
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| 20:37.53 | Venemo | ZogG: okay, it now call back okay, but still gives me bad values... |
| 20:38.19 | ZogG | you just need to get id in call back |
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| 20:38.30 | Venemo | ZogG: yes, and it doesn't give the right song title |
| 20:38.43 | ZogG | but it does give you id |
| 20:39.25 | Venemo | ZogG: when I jump to another song, it gives me the previous song's id |
| 20:39.51 | ZogG | but it does change id? |
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| 20:40.27 | Venemo | ZogG: I have 2 items in my playlist. I start the first, it gives correct id. I click "next", the next song starts playing and it gives the old one's id |
| 20:40.42 | Venemo | ZogG: then after that I click on stop or next, and it gives me the current id. |
| 20:40.58 | ZogG | try to add third one |
| 20:42.11 | Venemo | ZogG: it always gives the correct id only on the second callback... :S |
| 20:42.40 | ZogG | hmm |
| 20:42.52 | ZogG | mind to show how you did it |
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| 20:43.44 | MohammadAG | heh, media APIs are weird |
| 20:44.13 | ZogG | MohammadAG, you are |
| 20:44.15 | MohammadAG | MafwRenderer actually sends (unknown artist/album) and no album art even when I have them right from MafwSource |
| 20:44.22 | MohammadAG | ZogG, fuck off :P |
| 20:44.29 | ZogG | oh yeah |
| 20:44.33 | ZogG | give me with whom |
| 20:44.48 | Venemo | stop arguing, guys |
| 20:44.58 | MohammadAG | we're not arguing lol |
| 20:45.04 | ZogG | are we? |
| 20:45.18 | MohammadAG | at least not on IRC' |
| 20:45.20 | ZogG | hugs Venemo |
| 20:45.24 | MohammadAG | drives to Tel-aviv |
| 20:46.05 | ZogG | MohammadAG wanna meet? =) |
| 20:46.08 | Jaffa | AsiQue: You rang? |
| 20:47.04 | Venemo | ZogG: also ZogG, it doesn't call back the callback when I start playing a different song from gxmms2 |
| 20:47.19 | MohammadAG | ZogG, don't think I could :P |
| 20:47.19 | ZogG | what? |
| 20:47.44 | Venemo | ZogG: but it works in the opposite direction, so it must be working somehow |
| 20:48.04 | MohammadAG | delay the callback |
| 20:48.11 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ha ha ha |
| 20:48.26 | Venemo | MohammadAG: it always gives the id of the previous item, so I must be missing something |
| 20:48.32 | Venemo | ZogG: let's see the source code of gxmms2 |
| 20:48.32 | ZogG | Venemo, you mean opposite how? |
| 20:48.42 | ZogG | it's gtk |
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| 20:48.53 | Venemo | ZogG: if I jump to next/previous from your app, then gxmms2 will notice the change |
| 20:49.00 | ZogG | Venemo, did you use glib? |
| 20:49.13 | MohammadAG | glib is a pita |
| 20:49.28 | ZogG | Venemo, lol |
| 20:49.44 | ZogG | Venemo, sure it is and it's not connected to you |
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| 20:51.59 | Venemo | ZogG, no |
| 20:52.19 | Venemo | ZogG: the app itself uses gtk which uses glib, but it's not messed in with the xmms lib |
| 20:54.18 | ZogG | Venemo i have several clients for xmms2 and they work not connected to eachother |
| 20:54.33 | ZogG | you can as well try xmms2 next from console |
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| 20:54.48 | ZogG | it should send you callback as song changed and doen't matter how |
| 20:55.21 | Venemo | ZogG: well gxmms2 can know when I manipulate stuff from your app |
| 20:55.21 | MohammadAG | fucking SGX |
| 20:55.31 | Venemo | ZogG: anyway, I now definitely know that xmms sux |
| 20:55.49 | ZogG | haha it doesn't |
| 20:55.59 | Venemo | ZogG: I'll uninstall it as soon as I figured out this callback for you |
| 20:56.28 | MohammadAG | isn't xmms what the N8x0 uses? |
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| 20:57.40 | ZogG | maybe first one |
| 20:58.05 | Venemo | you know ZogG |
| 20:58.12 | kerio | did someone port gkrellm to the n900 yet? |
| 20:58.14 | Venemo | ZogG, I'm angry with you. |
| 20:58.24 | Venemo | ZogG: it took me 5 minutes of search to find this: http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/libxmms2qt/ |
| 20:58.54 | ZogG | no way |
| 20:59.34 | Venemo | ZogG: native Qt4 bindings for libxmms2 |
| 21:00.14 | ZogG | i don't have it |
| 21:00.28 | Venemo | ZogG: clone that repo, package that stuff and start using it |
| 21:02.08 | ZogG | Venemo, anyway you helped me here, you see |
| 21:02.17 | ZogG | though i want to see your code |
| 21:02.24 | Venemo | okay |
| 21:02.30 | Venemo | moment |
| 21:03.42 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 21:08.16 | Venemo | ZogG: anyway, I think I'm missing something |
| 21:08.22 | Venemo | ZogG: I'll try something |
| 21:08.25 | ZogG | love ? =) |
| 21:09.05 | ZogG | hmm, the problem there is no tut on libqt4 |
| 21:09.13 | ZogG | i mean libxxms-qt4 |
| 21:09.40 | pupnik_ | the code is the tutorial eh? |
| 21:10.16 | ZogG | i'll look into http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/libxmms2qt/tree/tests |
| 21:11.28 | Venemo | ZogG: seems that this lib uses a direct TCP connection to xmms |
| 21:11.52 | ZogG | Venemo you mean xmms2? |
| 21:12.01 | ZogG | damn i mean libxmms2-qt |
| 21:12.15 | Venemo | yes ZogG, I mean |
| 21:12.51 | ZogG | ok. i'll try to look into it |
| 21:13.03 | Venemo | hmm ZogG, I think these callbacks are not really intended to be used like I used them. |
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| 21:14.08 | alterego | 3Nyurgh, my 3G internet is being really crap :( |
| 21:14.46 | RST38h | shoot it! |
| 21:14.51 | ZogG | Venemo i don't know you didn't show me the code |
| 21:17.03 | MohammadAG | explain 3G to IL Orange for me, kthxbai |
| 21:17.08 | MohammadAG | 1MBps is shit |
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| 21:19.36 | alterego | That's better than I'm getting .... |
| 21:19.50 | alterego | It keeps dropping out, I usually get about 2Mbs |
| 21:20.49 | Venemo | ZogG: venemo.net/temp/fresh.tar.gz |
| 21:20.56 | Venemo | ZogG: http://venemo.net/temp/fresh.tar.gz |
| 21:21.12 | Venemo | ZogG: I figured out that this kind of callback is not what I was looking for really |
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| 21:21.35 | alterego | I was thinking of buying one of those Parrot AR.Drone things and getting it to work with my N900 :D |
| 21:21.38 | alterego | Then I saw the price. |
| 21:21.48 | ZogG | MohammadAG i got 600kbs+ for torrent on 3G |
| 21:23.09 | Venemo | ZogG: so I deleted them |
| 21:23.18 | Venemo | ZogG: anyway it still doesn't work as supposed |
| 21:24.12 | Venemo | ZogG, as for music, I'll stick to Rythmbox :) |
| 21:24.39 | Venemo | ZogG: I suggest you use that Qt binding lib, it seems pretty neat |
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| 21:25.14 | ZogG | Venemo i suggest you try xmms2 |
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| 21:27.22 | Venemo | ZogG: I have xmms2 yes |
| 21:27.42 | Venemo | ZogG: installed it just for you |
| 21:31.26 | Venemo | ZogG, anyway, I'll uninstall it very soon :) |
| 21:31.55 | MohammadAG | ZogG, I got 1000+ in Jordan |
| 21:32.11 | MohammadAG | (HTTP, not a torrent) |
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| 22:15.24 | niala | hello, |
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| 22:50.33 | Macer | Venemo: hello |
| 22:50.36 | Macer | oops |
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| 23:03.11 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I hope you are reading the discussion at #meego |
| 23:03.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 23:04.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | wazzup? |
| 23:04.16 | javispedro | tracker bashing now went "upstream" |
| 23:04.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh :-D |
| 23:06.02 | javispedro | tbh, I read Arjan's post on the meego mailing list as more nails in the coffin |
| 23:06.05 | merlin1991 | wonders why everyone bashes tracker whilst not doing something to make it better |
| 23:06.33 | javispedro | if not for anything else than causing more internal uncoherence. there was plenty already... |
| 23:06.38 | Sc0rpius | Meego is dead |
| 23:06.55 | Sc0rpius | and good point merlin1991 |
| 23:06.59 | javispedro | RST38h: if you're around, please read meego-devel mailing list =) |
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| 23:07.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | best thing to make things better with tracker is doing without it |
| 23:07.42 | javispedro | does not blame tracker |
| 23:07.51 | javispedro | In fact I remember there was a time when there was this Beagle thing. |
| 23:08.10 | javispedro | _that_ was a piece of crap, written in C#. Tracker was supposed to be the leaner, C replacement... |
| 23:08.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | tracker is fine for spotlight/kerrybeagle/whatever |
| 23:08.15 | ShadowJK | ugh |
| 23:08.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | but NOT for mediaplayer |
| 23:08.26 | ShadowJK | Beagle was terrible :) |
| 23:08.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 23:08.39 | javispedro | see? everyone agrees all indexers are terrible =) |
| 23:08.50 | javispedro | is there a non terrible indexer around? |
| 23:08.55 | trumee | javispedro, locate? |
| 23:08.56 | SpeedEvil | locate? |
| 23:09.06 | javispedro | that is not an indexer, it just does filenames |
| 23:09.09 | ShadowJK | I have a shell script somewhere that does the same thing |
| 23:09.22 | javispedro | not to mention that updatedb brings my n900 to a complete halt.. |
| 23:09.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | there are nonterrible indexer usecases |
| 23:09.37 | ShadowJK | it starts with find . -iname \*.mp3, iirc :) |
| 23:11.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway. I have to do the sibiric now |
| 23:11.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | walk to buy tobacco |
| 23:11.38 | javispedro | meego is soo dead. |
| 23:11.51 | villager | how come we still don't have filesystems that function as their own indexes |
| 23:12.09 | javispedro | however, I'm not sure that's bad news for the nokia meego device... |
| 23:14.00 | divan | javispedro, I pushed webos games installer into extras-devel. If you have time, take a look on it, I would appreciate you comments and suggestions. Especially, knowing that you don't like any installers like this )) |
| 23:14.04 | divan | name is wgames |
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| 23:14.18 | lardman | javispedro: you reckon it's a gonna? |
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| 23:14.37 | divan | http://wgames.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 23:14.45 | lardman | wonders whether to bother with the Tab port then, or to just head for Ubuntu |
| 23:15.25 | javispedro | lardman: Meego Core is quite good, specially when compared when Ubuntu... so, no :) |
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| 23:16.39 | lardman | a viable UI + repos for apps are quite important too though |
| 23:17.06 | lardman | I hope the renewed N900 effort might produce something there |
| 23:18.48 | chx | javispedro: is there a list of stuff that runs under preenv? |
| 23:19.13 | javispedro | divan: why, to hear me cry "might god have mercy upon us, what have we done...." |
| 23:19.33 | lardman | not used a capital G I bet ;) |
| 23:19.41 | javispedro | $DEITY |
| 23:19.45 | lardman | :) |
| 23:20.32 | javispedro | chx: well, you can probably use divan 's app ... or wiki.maemo.org/Preenv |
| 23:20.34 | divan | javispedro, no, I thought I might have some good ideas/critics. |
| 23:21.02 | javispedro | I think the "Find on the internet" button that probably launches Google with the search terms entered is a bit over the top =) |
| 23:21.32 | divan | Agree. I'll change it to open Games' URL ) |
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| 23:22.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol @ searchbutton |
| 23:23.39 | javispedro | well, I think it's way overdone. Remember that the original DrNokSnes banner had some Nintendo bitmaps that I had to remove back in the day... |
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| 23:27.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: you noticed my adventure with CSSU dependency hell yesterday? |
| 23:28.00 | pupnik_ | javispedro: did you ever blog/writeup about your journey to get SNES to 60fps? |
| 23:28.15 | pupnik_ | last i remember it was around 30 |
| 23:28.27 | javispedro | pupnik_: nope, I've recently written on gp2x about some of the work I did |
| 23:28.35 | javispedro | pupnik_: it's still 30 on n8x0 |
| 23:28.59 | javispedro | it just that n900 's graphics speed has pretty much been mastered already |
| 23:29.01 | pupnik_ | well i don't trust my memory so you shouldn't either |
| 23:29.05 | pupnik_ | ah |
| 23:29.20 | javispedro | original drnoksnes on n900 was 30fps =) |
| 23:29.30 | pupnik_ | ok thanks. whew |
| 23:30.02 | javispedro | but that's mostly due to compositor, and you only reach 60 without it |
| 23:30.17 | javispedro | for the scaled modes, HAA is used, which means around ~40 tops |
| 23:30.28 | pupnik_ | so that compositor explains the high usage of Xorg i see in many games |
| 23:30.46 | javispedro | pupnik_: use settings -> zoom -> 2x |
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| 23:31.09 | javispedro | this way I revert to an armv7 scaler and plain xshm with compositor disabled |
| 23:31.52 | pupnik_ | yes that's what i was using |
| 23:32.29 | ShadowJK | pushing everything an extra loop through 3d takes lots of resources :) |
| 23:32.31 | pupnik_ | excellent excellent... that approach should be used for everything |
| 23:32.45 | pupnik_ | i mean emus |
| 23:33.17 | pupnik_ | playing albion - that DOS game that was recompiled for arm |
| 23:33.31 | ShadowJK | iirc someone once said browser isn't composited :) |
| 23:33.32 | pupnik_ | rather, disassembled, then recompiled |
| 23:33.55 | javispedro | ShadowJK: has titlebar = composited. doesn't have = very probably isn't. |
| 23:33.59 | pupnik_ | some guy said "i'm going to disassemble a dos game and recompile for arm" |
| 23:34.22 | pupnik_ | and he did it |
| 23:34.25 | javispedro | hehe |
| 23:34.54 | javispedro | btw pupnik_ you might want to take a look at the psx emulation on the n900 threads... tbh I've no idea what the current state is, I think they have like 5 or 6 different authors |
| 23:35.26 | pupnik_ | i was testing some versions yesterday, pretty amazing to see them run smooth with gles |
| 23:36.01 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: nope, not remember it =) |
| 23:36.06 | pupnik_ | but they are only getting 50% cpu for the core emulation |
| 23:36.10 | pupnik_ | the rest is being 'wasted' |
| 23:36.26 | javispedro | on what? sgx waits? |
| 23:36.52 | pupnik_ | pulse, xorg, hildon-desktop |
| 23:37.10 | javispedro | hildon-desktop????? |
| 23:37.16 | javispedro | they're compositing gles output???? |
| 23:37.19 | javispedro | that's _EVIL_ |
| 23:37.52 | pupnik_ | not everybody is on top of the tech like you |
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| 23:38.24 | javispedro | but they just have to make the window fullscreen... |
| 23:38.44 | javispedro | well, and some other conditions noone usually has to worry about... |
| 23:39.06 | javispedro | pupnik_: press Ctrl+Shift+N while on the game, see if fps improves |
| 23:39.37 | pupnik_ | is that compositing toggle?? |
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| 23:39.44 | pupnik_ | i can't run snes atm |
| 23:40.12 | javispedro | snes controls composition, I'm talking about sgx |
| 23:40.14 | javispedro | err |
| 23:40.20 | javispedro | that psx emulator you said wasted cpu time on hildon-desktop |
| 23:41.14 | javispedro | and yes, it makes hildon-desktop temporariy enter uncomposited mode (until next time it tries to decide wheter composite/uncomposite again) |
| 23:41.26 | javispedro | (which usually is when a new window is mapped) |
| 23:41.44 | javispedro | (a key combination found by MohammadAG iirc , thanks! ) |
| 23:42.02 | ShadowJK | it made xchat weird |
| 23:42.37 | javispedro | it's not "weird", it's exactly what should happen =) |
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| 23:43.26 | javispedro | ideally, xchat would start continuously pumping next full window updates, but it doesn't |
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| 23:43.51 | ShadowJK | hm, xrefresh doesn't help |
| 23:44.10 | ShadowJK | but cycling through entire channel list fixed the contents in it atleast :) |
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| 23:52.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: please read #maemo-ssu chanlog. There's something odd with CSSU when MHD got installed before, and It's messing up things and hard to escape |
| 23:52.52 | pupnik_ | is ctrl-shift-n a toggle? |
| 23:52.57 | javispedro | yep |
| 23:53.13 | pupnik_ | shows no difference here |
| 23:53.21 | pupnik_ | is it only part of that advanced hildon desktop program? |
| 23:53.36 | javispedro | nope |
| 23:53.40 | javispedro | where are you trying it? |
| 23:53.56 | pupnik_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop |
| 23:54.04 | pupnik_ | pcsx - non gles version |
| 23:54.29 | pupnik_ | whoah not it did something |
| 23:54.31 | pupnik_ | how |
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| 23:55.06 | pupnik_ | disabling it gives black screen |
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| 23:55.25 | javispedro | it means it uses HAA |
| 23:56.19 | pupnik_ | you made sdl_haa, i see |
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| 23:56.45 | pupnik_ | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-HildonAnimationActor.html ahh |
| 23:56.47 | javispedro | yep |
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| 23:57.38 | javispedro | HAA plugs into that, and it theoretically is the best way to upload 2D to the compositor in order to then do random 3D transformations to it, like rotation or scaling. |
| 23:57.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf that's what xchat is supposed to do on ctrl-sh-N?? |
| 23:58.19 | pupnik_ | well i get 53% pcsx,, 27.2 % xprg, 16.9% hildon-desktop |
| 23:58.27 | pupnik_ | *xorg |
| 23:58.29 | javispedro | "xprg"? |
| 23:58.29 | javispedro | ah |
| 23:59.03 | pupnik_ | it's kind of cool to see this working while minimized of course |
| 23:59.30 | javispedro | the question then comes down to: can you do a scaler that uses less CPU than that? |