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| 00:13.43 | SpeedEvil | sighs, and wants pictbridge-gadget |
| 00:18.33 | korhojoa | hm |
| 00:18.41 | korhojoa | what do you guys do when your router suddenly dies? |
| 00:19.13 | pupnik | look for the ISP data |
| 00:19.28 | korhojoa | ? |
| 00:19.36 | pupnik | to configure a new router |
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| 00:24.03 | SpeedEvil | korhojoa: I kill a chicken. |
| 00:24.26 | SpeedEvil | Or an OpenReach engineer. |
| 00:26.27 | korhojoa | I see. |
| 00:26.34 | korhojoa | I just swapped in a old dd-wrt system |
| 00:29.45 | kerio | powercycle |
| 00:30.27 | korhojoa | i don't have a bicycle right now. |
| 00:31.20 | ThreeM | my fork is at service :( |
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| 00:51.12 | javispedro | eh |
| 00:51.34 | javispedro | I didn't know Intel owned 16% of img tech |
| 00:51.47 | javispedro | (makers of the sgx chip) |
| 00:52.00 | javispedro | s/chip// |
| 00:58.41 | pupnik | doesn't know if it's time to forgive intel for the 8088 |
| 00:59.54 | BCMM | pupnik: while we're still dealing with the mess it left? |
| 01:04.48 | pupnik | it made programming unnecessarily hard for kids and newbs in the 80s |
| 01:05.20 | pupnik | no fun to program close to the metal when the metal is so disgusting |
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| 01:17.39 | nox- | pupnik, !! |
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| 01:22.01 | bash` | hi all |
| 01:22.30 | bash` | I own a WH-701 remote headset, what do I need to make it working with my N900? |
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| 01:28.40 | pupnik | hi nox- :) how doodleydo |
| 01:28.53 | nox- | moin pupnik |
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| 01:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | bash`!! :-D Well, sorry but for now it seems WH-701 is unsupported by N900 (if wh701 is that wired multibutton headset) |
| 01:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | at least when it comes to the butti |
| 01:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | buttons |
| 01:32.50 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: yes is that :( what can I do? |
| 01:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | (I need to remap CR for my blindtyping execises :-P) |
| 01:33.27 | BCMM | talking of hands-frees, anyone got a link to a information about which pin is which? |
| 01:33.33 | BCMM | (i mean, on the 3.5m jack) |
| 01:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: simple |
| 01:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | you need the detaled version, or the one-line? |
| 01:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: there's little you can do |
| 01:34.31 | BCMM | what's the detailed version? |
| 01:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | mompl |
| 01:34.49 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: I'm trying to play with dbus...(with no luck) |
| 01:35.09 | BCMM | i'm planning, vaguely, to turn a broken handsfree for a 3410 and a broken pair of earphones that i liked into a working handsfree for the n899 |
| 01:35.12 | BCMM | n900 rather |
| 01:35.41 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i just need to know which is which, but i'm puzzled as to what else the detailed version could contain |
| 01:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf |
| 01:36.04 | BCMM | unless it includes suitable impedances and how the answer button works |
| 01:36.13 | GeneralAntilles | I love it when my neighbors forget to turn off their outdoor speakers when they're watching movies. |
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| 01:36.36 | pupnik | give em a call |
| 01:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: that's exactly what it has |
| 01:37.33 | BCMM | i've a feeling i've asked this before, but it is electrically compatible with the 2.5mm hands-free interface from the 3410 and similar old nokias, right? |
| 01:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure about the pinout, but electrically as in impedance etc yes it is compatible |
| 01:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | mechanically though you are aware it's a 3.5mm plug |
| 01:38.50 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: do you know how can I see what happen if I press a button on the headset or something like that? |
| 01:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: with a Y-cable to attach a decent oscilloscope to the 4 wires from/to headset |
| 01:39.31 | pupnik | gets frustraded by 'unlocking' |
| 01:39.53 | bash` | :P |
| 01:39.55 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i've got a four-pin 3.5mm plug to play with too |
| 01:40.06 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: btw, is unsupported by the hardware or the software? |
| 01:40.21 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik: they just ignore our number. |
| 01:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | Bad relations with the neighbors. |
| 01:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: we got no F'ng clue what's going on exactly. Suspicions are it's a serial protocol via mic wire, but it could as well be hidden BT |
| 01:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yuppies who moved into a house from 1912 and stripped out everything original to replace it with synthetic materials. |
| 01:40.56 | pupnik | parabolic dish + microwave oven? |
| 01:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: for all I know the N95 has same hw regarding AV-jack |
| 01:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: so it's basically sw, though really basic sw like kernel drivers etc |
| 01:42.15 | BCMM | ahh, the button on a simple headset just shorts the mic wire to ground through a resistor; i feel kind silly for wondering about compatibility with older gear now |
| 01:42.21 | bash` | ok, thanks for the explanation |
| 01:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: forget the resistor |
| 01:42.38 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 01:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | R=0 |
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| 01:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | just fine |
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| 01:43.22 | BCMM | i did notice it said "a resistor of less than 100 omhs" or something |
| 01:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes. 0 < 100 |
| 01:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | looks like a fundamentally true statement |
| 01:44.29 | BCMM | i know |
| 01:44.39 | BCMM | i'm just wondering why they bothered |
| 01:44.54 | BCMM | since the cheapest sub-100 omh resistor will always be no resistor |
| 01:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | for making clear to EE what's the limitations |
| 01:45.10 | BCMM | oh, i suppose it permits the use of an LED so you know you actually pressed the button |
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| 01:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | forex, you could calculate if that'll pan out (I can tell you it won't) |
| 01:46.04 | BCMM | so is there an easy way (sysfs or something) to detect presses of the answer button in software? |
| 01:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | I think yes. But you first need to enable micbias, otherwise no voltage on mic to short |
| 01:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | switching on micbias can be done in ALSA mixer |
| 01:47.41 | BCMM | so it's typically only watching it during a call or ringing, i guess? |
| 01:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | then there should be some /sys/*/*/*/state to poll - or better to wait for kevent |
| 01:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | probably you also will see a log line in syslog |
| 01:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | (though I never checked that) |
| 01:49.14 | BCMM | thanks |
| 01:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | but regarding the fact you get logs for kbd slide and for tklockswitch... |
| 01:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 01:49.42 | BCMM | i always thought that dmesg for every lock was a bit excessive |
| 01:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | meh, there's other things that annoy way more |
| 01:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | like gabby WLAN |
| 01:50.33 | BCMM | syslog would be OK, imho, but clogging up the ring buffer with that seems excessive |
| 01:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, I do a `>/var/log/syslog` every once in a while - to keep it from eating my rootfs |
| 01:51.37 | pupnik | are most of the flakey usb connectors on n900 due to solder pulled off? or a rip in the board trace? |
| 01:51.39 | BCMM | anyway, i'd better find out whether my soldering is up to this before getting any more interested in this |
| 01:51.51 | pupnik | with pulled-off solder maybe a heating of the contact iwth an iron would fix |
| 01:51.52 | BCMM | working with headphone wire is a pain |
| 01:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | valhalla joining Intel. |
| 01:52.15 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 01:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | The TSG is officially one company. |
| 01:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: good question. I guess no one of us has a sufficient sample size to tell |
| 01:52.28 | pupnik | what does that mean GeneralAntilles |
| 01:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik: my solder pulled off. |
| 01:52.57 | pupnik | did you fix it GeneralAntilles ? |
| 01:53.10 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik: Valtteri Halla |
| 01:53.12 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik: no. |
| 01:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | Just carrying a second battery. |
| 01:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | he nuked it :-P |
| 01:53.33 | pupnik | heh |
| 01:53.54 | pupnik | mine still connects at the right angle |
| 01:54.34 | BCMM | how widespread is the USB port problem? common manufacturing defect, or eventual inevitability? |
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| 01:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | Inevitability it seems. |
| 01:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: do I get this right? They finally managed to keep their elite club clean |
| 01:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: unclear |
| 01:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: which elite club? |
| 01:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | TSG |
| 01:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | wow, that will push forward meego. No doubt |
| 01:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, yeah. |
| 01:56.41 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like it. |
| 01:56.53 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo Community Council seems more useful by the day. |
| 01:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | and less likely same time |
| 01:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | or more impotent |
| 01:57.48 | pupnik | BCMM: i stumbled over the cable two times (seinding the n900 flying) before it broke |
| 01:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: fair enough :-S |
| 01:58.01 | pupnik | imo not inevitable |
| 01:58.34 | BCMM | thanks - i'll avoid that |
| 01:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I have no problems on two devices with sigma 20 months lifetime |
| 01:58.44 | javispedro | 's n900 usb port is still fine, and this is ddp device |
| 01:59.15 | SpeedEvil | Mine too |
| 01:59.24 | SpeedEvil | Not ddp. |
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| 01:59.50 | GeneralAntilles | Both my DDP and my September proto lost their USB ports. |
| 01:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | Treated gently. |
| 02:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: just make sure you always pull and plug the jack straight in/out, no vanting |
| 02:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | cabting |
| 02:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | FFS |
| 02:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | canting |
| 02:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I got used to pull it out with my fingernails between plug and case, on both sides |
| 02:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | (small sides) |
| 02:01.49 | pupnik | yes i used both fingers on either side, then pulled by using both as levers to pull evenly |
| 02:02.03 | javispedro | is actually mostly careless with the cable.. |
| 02:02.49 | javispedro | looks at his n900 usb port, watches all of the dirt and shit there, wonders if that's what keeps the thing in place. |
| 02:03.20 | nox- | does this affect all hw revisions or just those where the usb plug requires more `force' to push in/pull out than usual? |
| 02:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | well I'm also careless, except for using a virtually foolproof procedure. leveraging plug out with your nail against the case is highly unlikely to apply excess sideways force |
| 02:03.56 | pupnik | found the n900 very durable |
| 02:04.14 | BCMM | odd, looks to me like the plastic casing prevents leverage anyway... |
| 02:04.18 | pupnik | from the kitchen sink to the oven, it still works :) |
| 02:04.27 | nox- | pupnik, :) |
| 02:04.34 | pupnik | except for the speakers |
| 02:04.38 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | don't do this at home, children!! |
| 02:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: au contraire |
| 02:06.18 | pupnik | all leverage from the usb cable goes to the connector and board |
| 02:06.19 | javispedro | of course it is durable, the front bezel is practically made of plastiline |
| 02:06.36 | javispedro | it absorbs all energy and converts into nice white bits |
| 02:06.58 | javispedro | as a reminder of those times when your brain's motor coordination engine messed up. |
| 02:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: where's that wheed from? :-P |
| 02:07.33 | pupnik | the micro-usb cable from nokia has 2-2.2 cm leverage ... not the worst, but i could imagine better |
| 02:07.41 | javispedro | it's just the result of been hacking for way too much time. |
| 02:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I'm searching and thinking and planning for way better |
| 02:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | ala with few results so far |
| 02:08.49 | pupnik | planning for a usb cable with shorter leverage? |
| 02:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:09.05 | SpeedEvil | I have the bits to make it - but they're not here |
| 02:09.10 | pupnik | i would buy one |
| 02:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 02:09.53 | pupnik | with a nice sollbruchstelle maybe even |
| 02:10.11 | pupnik | sometimes german language is just better |
| 02:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | know the macbook power connector? |
| 02:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | buzzword magnet |
| 02:10.39 | javispedro | haha |
| 02:10.43 | pupnik | yea |
| 02:10.49 | javispedro | I want a pre-like induction thing ;) |
| 02:11.04 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: wait til my bare PCB arrives |
| 02:11.22 | javispedro | I also like it at least tries to be a cradle-like thing. |
| 02:11.32 | javispedro | like the high end handhelds when they were truly highend |
| 02:12.01 | SpeedEvil | I had a prototype USB connector with charging. |
| 02:12.12 | javispedro | instead of the current crap where you are lucky if they even send you a free replacement stylus. |
| 02:12.30 | SpeedEvil | Polarised magnetic +5, D+, D-, ground, ESD protected and reverse protected. |
| 02:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, they did with my repair \o/ |
| 02:12.55 | SpeedEvil | But it would need lots of development. |
| 02:14.12 | nox- | http://bp0.blogger.com/_CD0JETuihEE/SAbzeGioKwI/AAAAAAAABro/PFCBMD0o9tg/s1600-h/1900.jpg |
| 02:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | actually I consider the whole micro-USB a dead end street. Will go for inductive or simple gold contact pads plus pogopins charging |
| 02:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | cradle |
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| 02:18.39 | pupnik | nice predictions nox- ... "photographs will be telegraphed from any distance" |
| 02:18.48 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: portability... |
| 02:18.58 | nox- | yeah |
| 02:19.09 | BCMM | cradle+wall-wart will always be bigger than plug+wall-wart |
| 02:19.11 | SpeedEvil | nox-: When was this? |
| 02:19.14 | javispedro | nox-: pupnik: "American audiences in their theatres will view upon huge curtains before them [...] the progress of battles in the Orient". |
| 02:19.26 | pupnik | "cameras connected by screens" ... |
| 02:19.27 | pupnik | nice |
| 02:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I don't care about portability. It's my device, my rework, my cradle, and I got TWO of those devices |
| 02:19.47 | javispedro | I guess some stuff never changes ;) |
| 02:19.54 | pupnik | "store purchases by tube!" |
| 02:19.56 | pupnik | :D |
| 02:20.08 | nox- | SpeedEvil, 1900 i think |
| 02:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | ooh you mean transportability |
| 02:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, the USB jack still is there |
| 02:20.32 | javispedro | BCMM: have you seen the pre cradle? |
| 02:20.44 | javispedro | BCMM: it's quite small; probably the size of the ac adapter itself. |
| 02:21.03 | javispedro | (depends on which country ac adapter ;) ) |
| 02:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ""...until the dawn of 2001, a hundered years from now"" |
| 02:21.22 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i don't understand what you thought i meant... |
| 02:21.39 | BCMM | i mean "plugging it in on the train" |
| 02:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: like migration to other devices, platforms, whatever |
| 02:22.05 | BCMM | oh, interoperability |
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| 02:22.26 | BCMM | standardised inductive charging could take off i suppose |
| 02:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: on train I'll use the original Nokia charger with the original N900 micro-USB |
| 02:22.48 | BCMM | but it would have to be very widespread to stop people carrying adaptors |
| 02:22.55 | SpeedEvil | inductive charging? Take off? I have a video on that! |
| 02:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | taking off literaly I guess :-P |
| 02:23.15 | javispedro | heh |
| 02:23.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5330749864/ |
| 02:23.40 | BCMM | i mean, like on every train and built into every table at Starbucks sorta widespread |
| 02:24.00 | BCMM | chicken and egg; it'd be like trying to switch to electric cars :) |
| 02:24.12 | SpeedEvil | Or electric chickens. |
| 02:24.46 | DocScrutinizer | meh! binary system for ever |
| 02:24.50 | javispedro | great idea: use inductive charging for your electric car! |
| 02:25.02 | SpeedEvil | Already exists. |
| 02:25.08 | javispedro | =) |
| 02:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not talking about boolean, but about astronomy and fscknf flickr |
| 02:25.38 | BCMM | it's been done for busses somewhere, i think |
| 02:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: there's a tram that has inductive power |
| 02:25.50 | BCMM | massive inductive charger under the bus stops, you see |
| 02:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | all along the raols |
| 02:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | rails |
| 02:26.01 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: why? |
| 02:26.16 | BCMM | it's on rails anyway, "contactless" is pretty pointless |
| 02:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, maybe because they thought it's cheaper than cramming in even more of those 1000F capacitors |
| 02:26.41 | javispedro | Nokia was a member of some inductive charging standarization program iric |
| 02:26.43 | javispedro | *iirc |
| 02:26.57 | nox- | except when you want it for ppl to be safe to cross the rails maybe? |
| 02:27.06 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Might you be thinking of near-field-comms? |
| 02:27.22 | javispedro | no no, i remember it being about power. |
| 02:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: you can't put voltage on rails of a tram :-P Well you can, but I guess it won't earn you a memorial in that town |
| 02:28.04 | javispedro | found it -- > own |
| 02:28.06 | javispedro | err.. |
| 02:28.10 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Power_Consortium |
| 02:28.30 | BCMM | yeah, but it's on a fixed route - i can't believe it's cheaper and less disruptive to bury inductive chargers along the entire length of the rail than to put up overheads |
| 02:28.33 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, what i thought :) |
| 02:29.06 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: If you put the chargers at the stops, and charge fast, it can work out cheape.r |
| 02:29.20 | BCMM | yeah, that would make sense |
| 02:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | envisions a bike falling and shorting the rails - BRAAAAAZZZZ |
| 02:30.15 | javispedro | then the tram goes over the poor guy --- RUSSSSSHHH |
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| 02:30.32 | SpeedEvil | Induction chargers are fun too. |
| 02:30.42 | SpeedEvil | Bike falls on its side, and wheels glow white hot. |
| 02:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on that tram they crammed the whole roof with goldcaps, to jump little gaps that are unavoidable |
| 02:31.14 | SpeedEvil | LiFePO4 is adequate for this sort of service. |
| 02:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | well, I thought the whole idea was invented after 9 beer |
| 02:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | better build cablecars X-P |
| 02:32.36 | BCMM | cablecars are awesome |
| 02:33.02 | SpeedEvil | I want skytran. |
| 02:33.04 | BCMM | (in very specific geography, if there isn't too much wind) |
| 02:33.07 | BCMM | but massively awesome |
| 02:33.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.skytran.net/ |
| 02:33.23 | SpeedEvil | Packet switched people! |
| 02:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | skytran? peoplemover? |
| 02:33.45 | SpeedEvil | Little single person maglev rail on street-light type poles. |
| 02:34.02 | BCMM | skytran.net needs some pics... |
| 02:34.19 | SpeedEvil | <pretja that unfortunately, they need some actual hardware. |
| 02:34.24 | SpeedEvil | More than that |
| 02:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 02:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | thought you talk about peoplemover |
| 02:34.54 | SpeedEvil | In principle the amount of energy to move a single person streamlined maglev car can be teeeny |
| 02:34.56 | javispedro | unfortunately, this skytran thing has one big disadvantage |
| 02:35.24 | javispedro | according to their website http://www.skytran.net/phpsite/home/shopping.html it is only able to take you from brooklyn to the nyc Apple store. |
| 02:35.51 | javispedro | for the travel back home, Apple is happy to sell you an iBike that works with the iPod wheel as energy source. |
| 02:35.52 | SpeedEvil | That is an example, :) |
| 02:36.12 | javispedro | (obviously ;) ) |
| 02:36.37 | SpeedEvil | Packet switching is an awesome technology, if it could be made to work. |
| 02:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.sea.siemens.com/us/Products/Gearboxes-and-Couplings/Railcar-Systems/Pages/People-Mover.aspx been somewhat involved in bulding that one |
| 02:36.47 | SpeedEvil | Along with low energy peronal vehicles. |
| 02:37.46 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, reminds me of wuppertal :) |
| 02:37.52 | BCMM | http://shweeb.com/gallery/01/Shweeb-in-action.jpg |
| 02:37.52 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductrack is fun. |
| 02:37.57 | BCMM | bicycle monorail |
| 02:38.03 | BCMM | well, cycle at any rate |
| 02:38.09 | SpeedEvil | Lots of litz, and magnets = passive maglev. |
| 02:38.17 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you can do horsedrawn maglev. |
| 02:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: we only did the sw for dortmund and duesseldorf |
| 02:39.12 | nox- | hehe |
| 02:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Ujx5x61io |
| 02:40.15 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/wiki/Wuppertaler_Schwebebahn |
| 02:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | I know wuppertaler and the elephant |
| 02:41.02 | nox- | heh yeah |
| 02:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | the poor animal |
| 02:41.24 | nox- | *nod* |
| 02:43.52 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: that's really cool, especially the way there is negligible flux in the passenger compartment making your n900 malfunction |
| 02:43.57 | BCMM | or pacemaker i guess, but meh. |
| 02:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.nostalgische.schwebebahn.net/0-pics/5-barmen/altermarkt/tuffi-elefant-1950.jpg |
| 02:46.33 | javispedro | wishes for some meego conference to be held in düsseldorf so that he'd have an excuse to go there and visit the skytrain thing |
| 02:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | google for peoplemover siemens dortmund, another one I contributed |
| 02:51.34 | javispedro | obviously, a suspended monorail system that's been working since the 19th century gets its first fatal accident on the late nineties |
| 02:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.mein-dortmund.de/h-bahn.html |
| 02:52.39 | pupnik | engineers make nice things happen |
| 02:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | this one usually operates on demand |
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| 02:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | somebody teling "me" he wants a lift, and the next free cabin is there usually in less then 30s (iirc) |
| 02:54.58 | pupnik | cool |
| 02:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | of course you also can make the thing operate on regular schedule |
| 02:55.34 | pupnik | with computers you could have individual railcars |
| 02:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | funny parts of the software are things like service vehicle |
| 02:57.59 | pupnik | why ? |
| 02:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.h-bahn.de/de/technik/index.php compare the keyboards to that: http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html |
| 02:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | but I think it's actually been HBDUS (duesseldorf) that's conrrolled by 3 M80 |
| 03:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yeah, in fact even Tuffi survived afaik |
| 03:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | (fatal) don't know of that, suspect a trainsurfer |
| 03:09.27 | javispedro | some night shift technician in a hurry did something quite bad, according to wikipedia. |
| 03:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 03:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, now I remember |
| 03:10.05 | javispedro | i'm sure his salary was a fraction of their 1900 counterparts... |
| 03:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | blocked a trackswitch or sth |
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| 03:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: probably the best video: http://www.h-bahn.ru/video |
| 03:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | ÑиÑÑема ÐÑÑÑелÑдоÑÑа :-D |
| 03:21.51 | javispedro | yep |
| 03:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | I jsut can't find anymore any pictures of Dortmund command center :-/ |
| 03:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | looked quite funny with all the DISIT and DS3975 terminals |
| 03:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | DISIT is kinda like a color terminal with a hardcoded powerpoint graphic that can be highlighted etc. I did parts of that :-D |
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| 03:28.54 | pupnik | doesn't understand |
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| 03:29.17 | pupnik | ohh sicomp |
| 03:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 03:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | M80 series |
| 03:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | actually I think they used M70 ther in Duesseldorf |
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| 03:30.48 | pupnik | AMBOSS is short for "Allgemeines Modulares Benutzer-Orientiertes Software System" |
| 03:30.51 | pupnik | heh |
| 03:30.58 | pupnik | siemens must have done lots of govt work |
| 03:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | meh AMBOSS |
| 03:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | we used BS-M |
| 03:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | the "hacker edition" of AMBOSS |
| 03:31.56 | pupnik | ahh |
| 03:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | with real commandline instead of silly masks |
| 03:32.23 | nox- | has dim memories of bs2000... |
| 03:32.23 | pupnik | operators must be controlled! |
| 03:32.32 | nox- | (what a strange name :) |
| 03:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 03:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | cackles |
| 03:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah BS2000 was the mainframe version. BS-M was for process controll in realtime |
| 03:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | BS2000 was quite AMBOSSish though |
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| 03:36.00 | nox- | remembers how its `fs' needed to be kind garbage-collected bc files could only be contiguous or so... |
| 03:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | must've been something especially disgusting |
| 03:36.20 | nox- | kind of even |
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| 03:45.20 | pupnik | heh |
| 03:45.30 | pupnik | listens to Eric margolis' latest interview |
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| 03:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | ummm |
| 03:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | aah, Jack S. Margolis' |
| 03:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | so who's Eric Margolis? |
| 04:00.39 | robbiethe1st | Hey guys, where should I start looking for a method to use usb-networking to tether my n900 to my linux laptop? Like use the n900's internet(3G, wifi etc) on the laptop? |
| 04:03.41 | yigal | ? |
| 04:03.44 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: a very knowleadgable reporter |
| 04:03.51 | yigal | robbiethe1st: it really shouldn't be that difficult |
| 04:03.58 | yigal | robbiethe1st: what distribution are you using> |
| 04:04.00 | yigal | ? |
| 04:04.54 | yigal | maybe robbiethe1st decided to do a google search? |
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| 04:08.48 | DocScrutinizer | maybe he decided to just try it and relized it works OOTB ;-D |
| 04:09.44 | robbiethe1st | yigal: Sorry, was looking elsewhere. Um, ubuntu-based. DocScrutinizer Sorry, I tried it on my KDE desktop, tried setting all the settings and... it wouldn't connect. When I plugged in the n900, it showed an icon for the device on the network icon... but wouldn't connect. |
| 04:10.26 | robbiethe1st | As such, I decided the best way to do it would be to just do all the provider stuff on the n900(which works), and then just setup a network between it and the PC |
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| 04:11.10 | robbiethe1st | Also, it -might- work on Gnome-based ubuntu OOTB, but not on KDE, for some reason |
| 04:11.58 | DocScrutinizer | I gather you need PK for that . needs forwarding/bridging |
| 04:13.02 | robbiethe1st | PK? |
| 04:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | powerkernel |
| 04:13.17 | robbiethe1st | Oh, yea. No problem there. |
| 04:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | then just follow the instructions about sharing your PC's internet to N900 via USB, just swapped roles ;-D |
| 04:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: tbh it doesn't work here as well - though I thought it's due to my massive messing around with knetworkmanager and manual setup of eth cards and whatnot |
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| 04:31.25 | robbiethe1st | Hm, I'm likely missing a step: http://pastebin.com/331E9jdK I can't ping the other IP from either side over usb0 |
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| 05:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | no idea. I never did this via config. I got some scripts on PC (which would be N900 for your case) |
| 05:02.06 | robbiethe1st | alright |
| 05:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | /sbin/ifconfig $DEV 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev $DEV |
| 05:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202 |
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| 05:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | of course that's not the IPs used for maemo |
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| 05:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109678/ |
| 05:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | is a script called neo-net.sh |
| 05:06.16 | robbiethe1st | Thanks |
| 05:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's for forwarding PC's network to Neo FR, after a local ssh connection is already installed I guess, with above quoted cmds |
| 05:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | so you have to run sth similar on N900 to forward 3G to PC via USB |
| 05:10.34 | robbiethe1st | Yea |
| 05:10.35 | robbiethe1st | Thanks |
| 05:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno if the fact PC is still USB host and N900 still gadget is of any relevance for IP networking |
| 05:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess the "NICs" are symmetric |
| 05:12.50 | robbiethe1st | I know it's possible to get a basic network working; I've done that before - and I was able to SSH into my n900(at least through BackupMenu) |
| 05:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but in above quoted procedure you'd want to ssh from N900 to PC |
| 05:14.14 | robbiethe1st | Yea... |
| 05:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget to check any firewall on PC |
| 05:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | gave me headaches more than once |
| 05:16.26 | robbiethe1st | ah, yea |
| 05:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | note that firewalls are probably implemented via iptables as well |
| 05:18.11 | robbiethe1st | Time to go back to basics: I know I got ssh/network working on BackupMenu. |
| 05:18.21 | DocScrutinizer | so probably best idea is to switch firewall off for the USB NIC, or completely if that'S more easy |
| 05:18.44 | robbiethe1st | Ok, that works. I can ping to the n900 from my PC. That means it's Maemo that's causing the problem - I can't even ping my n900 |
| 05:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | check ifconfig |
| 05:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 |
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| 05:19.46 | DocScrutinizer | check route |
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| 06:06.42 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 06:07.17 | TiagoTiago | any idea why the SIP account does says it is online, but it can't make nor receive calls? |
| 06:10.09 | MohammadAG | on wifi? probably power saving mode, 3G, high CPU usage i guess (it "rings", but doesn't react to it) |
| 06:17.29 | zerojay | GAN900: ping |
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| 06:53.37 | yigal | is there a gconf key or something to have emails from Modest be full screen? |
| 06:55.07 | yigal | it just seems so unreasonable not to be able to see my mail in full screen |
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| 07:01.40 | TiagoTiago | seems it was a problem with the sip provider, i tried another provider and it works |
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| 07:07.37 | qhubekela | Wb |
| 07:07.38 | qhubekela | ]-Ur`Welcome-[ : |
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| 07:40.28 | MohammadAG | ffs |
| 07:40.38 | MohammadAG | where do I get Qt 4.7.2 for the N8 |
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| 08:48.03 | MohammadAG | does anyone know why this is segfaulting? http://pastebin.com/j6K0wPeG |
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| 09:01.31 | piggz | MohammadAG: qt sis files are probably included in the sdk1.1beta |
| 09:01.58 | MohammadAG | piggz, I don't have that, nor do I plan to download a whole SDK for one file :) |
| 09:02.55 | piggz | MohammadAG: wait 10 mins while my install finishes and i'll dig it out for you |
| 09:04.21 | piggz | MohammadAG: maybe your mafw_renderer pointer isnt valid? |
| 09:05.11 | piggz | but, im sure you;d think of that ;) |
| 09:05.38 | piggz | s/10mins />10mins :/ |
| 09:06.40 | MohammadAG | piggz, nah, it segfaults on g_value_set_int |
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| 09:09.32 | piggz | MohammadAG: eugh, gtk :) |
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| 09:20.48 | dominikb | is it programmatically possible to close a closable dialog on maemo5? background: my app tries to open a network connection, if that fails (poor signal) a dialog is presented. unless i manually deal with the dialog, it stays there and no futher connection attempts are being made by the system. |
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| 09:22.01 | dominikb | asked on the mailing list some time ago: http://ur.ly/FIIo found a function called hildon_status_bar_lib_close_closable_dialog http://ur.ly/FKb5 |
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| 09:29.07 | piggz | MohammadAG: www.piggz.co.uk/qt.sis and qtwebkit.sis |
| 09:29.49 | piggz | bit give it 90 second |
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| 09:34.31 | khertan | Morning |
| 09:36.08 | AsiQue | MohammadAG: Hey, is there a way to debug hildon-desktop under esbox? |
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| 09:42.31 | dominikb | ok, maybe i found a solution. what do you guys think of 'killall -9 osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs'? is it safe to do that? |
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| 09:44.08 | pupnik | 'safe' meaning will it brick your device? no |
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| 09:46.36 | dominikb | pupnik: 'safe' in the meaning of 'robust' solution. one that does not make the system unstable. |
| 09:47.25 | SpeedEvil | Ifyou can do it many times in a row , it will probably not make the system unstable. |
| 09:47.34 | SpeedEvil | I don't think that process has a watchdog. |
| 09:48.15 | dominikb | SpeedEvil: the process seems to have a watchdog. osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs processes are recreated after killing them. |
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| 09:50.55 | juk | can i edit media player's playlist files, so i dont have to flick through hundreds of files? |
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| 10:04.00 | dominikb | pupnik and SpeedEvil: thanks! that solution seems to work like a charm. |
| 10:04.34 | SpeedEvil | juk: you can exclude certain directories from tracker indexing. |
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| 10:09.50 | villager | dominikb: if you're using icd/conic to open the network connection, why not give the "automatic" parameter so that the dialog is never opened? |
| 10:10.07 | dominikb | villager: that 'automatic' parameter just does not seem to work. |
| 10:10.30 | villager | really? weird |
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| 10:12.29 | villager | never noticed a problem with my app... maybe I never tried with poor connection |
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| 10:13.16 | villager | dominikb: that's with CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_AUTOMATICALLY_TRIGGERED? |
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| 10:20.23 | dominikb | villager: jep, that one does not work for me. recently i switched to Qt and there it also does not work. i filed a bug for that: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15924 |
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| 10:30.43 | dominikb | villager: doesn't CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_AUTOMATICALLY_TRIGGERED mean, that no connection will be established if there isn't already one? see http://ur.ly/FJf9 |
| 10:31.28 | juk | SpeedEvil: so it indexes every time i start it, ah, that the reason it suckes at startup |
| 10:31.50 | dominikb | in qt when setting ConnectInBackground to True, the ICD_CONNECTION_FLAG_APPLICATION_EVENT is set. see http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/plugins/bearer/icd/qnetworksession_impl.cpp |
| 10:32.20 | juk | /suckes/sucks |
| 10:32.32 | SpeedEvil | juk: yes - look at ~/.config/tracker/ |
| 10:32.39 | SpeedEvil | S?hould only do new files |
| 10:32.40 | dominikb | villager: and that does not work for me. |
| 10:33.29 | dominikb | anybody able to reproduce http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15924 ? PySide script is attached to bug report. |
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| 10:34.38 | villager | dominikb: so you want a connection to be established if there isn't one? normally the n900 will already be connected if it's possible to establish a connection without user interaction... |
| 10:37.05 | dominikb | villager: jep, that's my intention. all the connection handling stuff is handled by the application. i disabled the 'automatic' connection feature. so the connection is only established on application request. |
| 10:38.31 | dominikb | villager: if the connection fails a modal user dialog is presented and no further automatic connection attemps are possible. that's why i came up with the idea of killing these ui-dialogs. |
| 10:38.41 | juk | SpeedEvil: i didn't know i had tracker installed |
| 10:38.50 | SpeedEvil | juk: It's stock |
| 10:39.05 | SpeedEvil | juk: The media player and the camera and ... all use it |
| 10:39.15 | juk | SpeedEvil: i see |
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| 10:45.15 | villager | juk: I just whipped up a shell script to create my own playlist, then I imported it in media player, so I can use it instead of seeing everything |
| 10:47.56 | juk | villager: how do import? |
| 10:48.23 | juk | villager: and wheres those playlists located? |
| 10:49.13 | juk | villager: that's nice, i would like export playlists as well for backing up |
| 10:49.31 | villager | juk: come to think of it, I can't remember... I suspect I just created a .m3u file along with my music, and then tracker saw it and it showed up in media player |
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| 10:51.20 | villager | juk: so you can put the .m3u anywhere, just as with the music itself |
| 10:52.10 | juk | villager: ah, fare enough |
| 10:56.20 | villager | juk: the media player's own playlists are in ~/.mafw-playlists I think |
| 10:57.01 | villager | but they're not so useful |
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| 10:58.23 | juk | villager: yeah, m3u it's a way to go thanks |
| 10:59.12 | juk | villager: i think it's madness those sqlite files and tracker... |
| 10:59.36 | villager | juk: well, I suppose you're not alone in thinking that |
| 10:59.55 | juk | villager: (sigh) |
| 11:01.23 | villager | some wacky nokia decision... |
| 11:01.33 | SpeedEvil | Tracker isn't a bad idea. |
| 11:01.39 | SpeedEvil | It could however be implemented lots better |
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| 12:47.07 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: No probs (belatedly) |
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| 13:04.07 | crashanddie_ | it's funny how I've lost the will to hack. |
| 13:04.48 | crashanddie_ | I thought I got it back when working with MohammadAG |
| 13:04.54 | crashanddie_ | on the media player |
| 13:05.33 | crashanddie_ | But truth be told, after spending a whole day/week working my ass off on foggy, shitty, insane C++, I cba to see any other code, or even think of designs and stuff. |
| 13:06.03 | MohammadAG | C and C++ are fun :p |
| 13:07.30 | lcuk | crashanddie_, motivation is sometimes hard to find |
| 13:07.44 | lcuk | but once you re find your spark, it is like riding a bike. |
| 13:07.51 | crashanddie_ | I don't know how you did it lcuk |
| 13:08.04 | crashanddie_ | When you were doing that VB shit for the curtain company |
| 13:08.06 | lcuk | crashanddie_, reading my old notes helps |
| 13:08.14 | crashanddie_ | How you managed to spit out tons of C code after dark |
| 13:08.44 | lcuk | crashanddie_, there were different things - I have been thinking in C for a lot longer |
| 13:08.46 | lcuk | and converting to VB :P |
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| 13:09.46 | crashanddie_ | Yesterday, I wrote a 30 page document about general design considerations, and applied it to my company. Most devs are absolute nuggets, the guy in charge of the statistics database didn't even know that comparing two floats was dangerous and uncertain... |
| 13:10.18 | lcuk | at least you got direct feedback |
| 13:10.38 | crashanddie_ | no, that was a few days ago -- the float thingie |
| 13:10.45 | crashanddie_ | I don't get feedback during the weekend |
| 13:11.04 | MohammadAG | why is comparing two floats dangerous? |
| 13:11.28 | alterego | MohammadAG: because they may be similar but not the same and you have to deal with NaN |
| 13:11.47 | MohammadAG | NaN? |
| 13:11.48 | crashanddie_ | in PHP: $a = 19.6; $b = 1960; $a *= 100; if ($a != $b) echo "$a is not equal to $b"; |
| 13:11.58 | alterego | MohammadAG: Not a Number |
| 13:12.23 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: dump that into: http://writecodeonline.com/php/ |
| 13:12.32 | lcuk | alterego, less an issue for normal uses |
| 13:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | OMG |
| 13:12.49 | alterego | lcuk: Qt Mobility Location API uses it |
| 13:13.25 | lcuk | how is it used in qtm? |
| 13:13.46 | crashanddie_ | I can kinda understand a hobbyist doesn't know this shit, but it seriously frightens me when a guy with 10+ years of experience doesn't vaguely know anything about this... |
| 13:13.55 | MohammadAG | 1960 is not equal to 1960 |
| 13:13.58 | alterego | Certain properties, ground/vertical-speed, direction etc may be NaN if they're not valid in the lock |
| 13:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | btw quite similar reason you *never* use == for loop termination |
| 13:14.21 | crashanddie_ | true |
| 13:14.23 | MohammadAG | thanks for that |
| 13:14.36 | lcuk | alterego, right, that is using it for an extended purpose |
| 13:14.56 | lcuk | but it is rarely encounted during normal use |
| 13:15.07 | alterego | No, probably not |
| 13:15.26 | crashanddie_ | for weeks, the web team has been giving us shit as to why we give timestamps coded in two values, one 64-bit int for seconds, and another 64-bit int for milli/nano seconds... On thursday they all went "ooooooh". |
| 13:15.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:16.01 | crashanddie_ | These are guys who sit on a project for over a year, and two weeks before deadline, "quick quick quick, code this, code that" |
| 13:16.29 | alterego | Sounds about right |
| 13:16.34 | crashanddie_ | And then they're bitching at us because we can't completely change the architecture of our server to accomodate their needs, even though they've known about the requirements and gaps for over a year, but never made them clear to us... |
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| 13:17.25 | crashanddie_ | So on Friday I told them they were all a bunch of student-type wankers who needed to get their fucking gig straight if they wanted to have a future in the company, or if they wanted the company to have a future |
| 13:18.10 | MohammadAG | Oi, don't insult students |
| 13:18.39 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: "You have an exam at the end of the year" "yeah yeah yeah". 50 weeks later "Oh fuck, we have an exam in two weeks? study study study" |
| 13:19.27 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 13:19.36 | crashanddie_ | So yesterday, I wrote the doc about design considerations -- what are the pitfalls when designing clients, network considerations, security considerations, platform considerations, I'm going to make them think about what they want to achieve, write a dozen different clients or have one that's roughly multi-platform, etc. |
| 13:19.49 | DocScrutinizer | while for (i=10; i-=3; i=0) is obvious, other constructs easily aren't |
| 13:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | while for (i=10; i-=3; i==0) is obvious, other constructs easily aren't |
| 13:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | as well |
| 13:20.45 | crashanddie_ | you got your params wrong |
| 13:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | should always be sth like i<=0 |
| 13:21.00 | crashanddie_ | it's for (i = 10; i == 0; i -= 3) |
| 13:21.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: pwnt |
| 13:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | grrr I need a coffee |
| 13:21.27 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:21.27 | lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer crashanddie_ - now we know why docs code does not run! |
| 13:21.53 | alterego | Maybe he really did want it to break out straight away :P |
| 13:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | now you know when I don't run |
| 13:22.15 | crashanddie_ | "Why are there bugs in Doc's code?" "We ran out of coffee yesterday" "Oh shit" |
| 13:22.22 | alterego | lol |
| 13:23.21 | lcuk | lol |
| 13:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | btw just pondering if it works as well the wrong way round i-=3 returns a value ;-) |
| 13:23.28 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what kind of coffee do you drink? |
| 13:23.43 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: that's what I was saying, but anything other than 0 equates to true |
| 13:24.04 | alterego | Not sure whether having i == 0 in the third part of the statement is compilable though :) |
| 13:24.06 | robbiethe1st | I have to say, PHP's made me lazy. I've been working with python recently, and run into lots of glitches like that - Where values need to be run through str() in order to concatenate them, or through int() before they'll compare... |
| 13:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | latte macciato |
| 13:24.44 | kerio | *macchiato |
| 13:24.47 | alterego | robbiethe1st: it's not actually always required .. |
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| 13:24.53 | unixSnob | did the video on Skype ever get fixed for the n800? |
| 13:24.55 | kerio | robbiethe1st: to concatenate what? |
| 13:24.57 | _0x47 | could someone kindly tell me how this EULA popup is called that you receive on installing some packages? |
| 13:25.04 | kerio | what does "concatenate numbers" even fucking *mean* |
| 13:25.08 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: i -= 3 returns "i - 3", so depending on the language (for example, C considering anything non-null to be true, whereas PHP considers anything negative to be false) |
| 13:25.19 | alterego | kerio: I think he means as string ;) |
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| 13:25.32 | robbiethe1st | kerio: Mainly things like num=3; print 'val of num'+num+'something else' type things |
| 13:25.38 | kerio | i know he does, but it's stupid |
| 13:25.46 | alterego | kerio: JavaScript doesn't think so |
| 13:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: sure |
| 13:26.20 | robbiethe1st | Thing is, PHP will just -do- it. Javascript will do it usually, and python... doesn't like it |
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| 13:26.33 | crashanddie_ | wait, what? |
| 13:26.44 | alterego | robbiethe1st: that just makes me hate PHP even more :P |
| 13:27.03 | crashanddie_ | Python: print "This is a string, with foo value", foo, "isn't that cool?" |
| 13:27.25 | alterego | robbiethe1st: if you use format strings though it does str() automatically |
| 13:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: what's wrong with a i == 0 statement? |
| 13:27.50 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: nothing, I guess. |
| 13:28.00 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: but it doesn't do anything in the context of the 3rd item in a for |
| 13:28.04 | lcuk | 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" |
| 13:28.08 | lcuk | 20 GOTO 10 |
| 13:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: obviously it's a void statement |
| 13:28.22 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: but like I said earlier, if your for compiles, then it'll just break straight away. |
| 13:28.27 | crashanddie_ | erhm, it's not a void statement |
| 13:28.34 | alterego | No it's a boolean statement. |
| 13:28.41 | alterego | aaaaaaanyhow |
| 13:28.48 | alterego | Why don't we compile and see if it works :P |
| 13:28.49 | lcuk | in C there is no boolean |
| 13:28.54 | robbiethe1st | Mind, it works in the print case, but not where it's usually needed - Passing it as a string/qstring to a PyQt object |
| 13:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: why will it break? |
| 13:29.09 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'm not saying it will, I just said I didn't know if it would compoile. |
| 13:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | meh, where's my coffee!!!? |
| 13:30.01 | lcuk | it should be in your inbox, I emailed it a bbit ago |
| 13:30.09 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: it certianly generates a warning :P |
| 13:30.16 | alterego | "3rd expression in for has no effect" |
| 13:30.20 | lcuk | meanwhile mine is on my tshirt |
| 13:30.23 | lcuk | <<< classy |
| 13:30.41 | lcuk | grabs a new tshirt and holds cup upright in future |
| 13:30.52 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: for(int i = 10; i -= 3;i == 0) { qDebug() << i; } |
| 13:30.59 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: infinite loop ;) |
| 13:31.20 | alterego | Which is interesting to me .. |
| 13:31.30 | alterego | Because I thought any non-zero would cause it to break, |
| 13:32.14 | _0x47 | how can I add a agreement popup to my HAM installation? |
| 13:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh, nice |
| 13:32.39 | lcuk | _0x47, you can, but for what purpose? |
| 13:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | toldya it won't immediately quit |
| 13:32.48 | lcuk | (see the postinst for ssh server as example) |
| 13:33.05 | crashanddie_ | this works, DocScrutinizer http://pastebin.com/Bq39weGd |
| 13:33.07 | lcuk | alterego, technically that may not be infinite |
| 13:33.17 | lcuk | it might have to roll around a few times |
| 13:33.17 | lcuk | :P |
| 13:33.19 | _0x47 | lcuk: to tell people that an application will not run without additional third-party binaries and to refer to a help page |
| 13:33.19 | alterego | lcuk: well, sure |
| 13:33.43 | _0x47 | lcuk: postinst? it should rather be preinst, is that possible? |
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| 13:33.52 | lcuk | _0x47, isn't the concept of "additional third party binaries" called "dependencies"? |
| 13:34.15 | lcuk | and are normally named in the debian/control file |
| 13:34.19 | _0x47 | lcuk: right, but non-free binaries are not supposed to be in the repo |
| 13:34.40 | _0x47 | like in commercial games engine rewrites |
| 13:35.01 | _0x47 | and people are like "wtf, the game doesn't work" without understanding this |
| 13:35.11 | lcuk | put the code into your app then |
| 13:35.18 | lcuk | not just in the installer |
| 13:35.32 | _0x47 | lcuk: the proprietary binary code? |
| 13:35.34 | lcuk | because most of the time, installing it |
| 13:35.44 | lcuk | and finding out it doesn't work are different events |
| 13:35.49 | lcuk | and might occur days inbetween |
| 13:36.27 | _0x47 | lcuk: but, what's so wrong about telling people that it will need the retail-cd binaries berfore it works? |
| 13:36.32 | ShadowJK_ | I had a terrible nightmare last night. I dreamt my N900 fell to the floor, and the gsm, 3g, bt and wifi antennas came out. I tried to glue them back, but the N900 didn't boot :-( |
| 13:36.40 | ShadowJK_ | shudders |
| 13:36.50 | lcuk | :( sh |
| 13:37.17 | ShadowJK_ | Good thing it was only a dream |
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| 13:37.53 | djszapi | the movie has a big latency to the sound on my fremantle tho. by using mplayer. (N900) What do I do wrong ? |
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| 13:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yes (roll around, aka overflow) |
| 13:39.04 | ShadowJK_ | djszapi, usually the big latency is because you're playing a movie bigger than what mplayer can handle. The video decoding is running slower than audio |
| 13:39.47 | djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/DSP |
| 13:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | dealing with 2-byte charsets in strings is a nice occasion where comparing == sizeof(buffer) is a really bad idea |
| 13:39.55 | djszapi | it is more like a dsp problem than mplayer... |
| 13:40.05 | MohammadAG | Qt Webkit on the N8 is epic |
| 13:40.09 | MohammadAG | scrolling's smooth |
| 13:40.19 | MohammadAG | QML's scrolling otoh sucks balls |
| 13:40.28 | lcuk | and what is the N8 display resolution? |
| 13:40.34 | _0x47 | lcuk: I understand that I can run a script preinst or postinst, but I don't find anything about how to create a hildonized message from the HAM install. Like when you install the kernel-power |
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| 13:40.53 | MohammadAG | lcuk, 640x360 |
| 13:40.54 | lcuk | _0x47, then look in the pre/post inst for that package and see how they do it |
| 13:41.04 | MohammadAG | but QWebKit on maemo isn't the best thing |
| 13:41.26 | _0x47 | lcuk: lol of course >< thanks! |
| 13:42.22 | lcuk | MohammadAG, the N900 has many more pixels to fill |
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| 13:42.46 | MohammadAG | lcuk, regardless, QWebkit needs a lot of tuning on the N900 |
| 13:42.57 | lcuk | example: on the N810, using display mode 800*480, render speed is ~25fps |
| 13:42.59 | MohammadAG | it doesn't even have proper scrolling, but needs a hack |
| 13:43.04 | lcuk | example: on the N810, using display mode 640*480, render speed is ~33fps |
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| 13:43.29 | lcuk | could pull n900 figures, but that tiny example sums it up nicely |
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| 13:43.34 | MohammadAG | QWebkit is faster, QML is slower (on the N8) |
| 13:43.52 | ShadowJK_ | dzszapi: MPlayer doesn't use the dsp |
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| 13:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | excuse my alzheimer, but could you show me a correct c for() statement please. My brain got messed up by the many bad examples right now |
| 13:49.45 | _0x47 | lcuk: just for your information: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing#maemo-confirm-text |
| 13:49.55 | _0x47 | thanks for the hint :) |
| 13:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | and the coffee, while tasty, doesn't kick in that fast |
| 13:50.24 | _0x47 | DocScrutinizer for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++) { } |
| 13:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | thank you pal |
| 13:50.40 | _0x47 | np |
| 13:50.50 | crashanddie_ | please use a space between for and the parenthesis :) |
| 13:51.07 | _0x47 | I don't, I I don't know why I should :P |
| 13:51.18 | _0x47 | , and* I |
| 13:51.18 | crashanddie_ | it's a language construct, makes it easier to parse the code and differentiate it from a function call |
| 13:52.24 | _0x47 | i see |
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| 13:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | is amazed Dennis Ritchie bothered at all to implement commodity constructs like while() into C |
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| 13:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | s/ C/ his hacker language/. |
| 13:55.51 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, so I should be using for () instead of for()? |
| 13:56.10 | MohammadAG | or if () instead of if() |
| 13:56.46 | crashanddie_ | you shouldn't be doing anything, but yeah, I find it highly more readable that way |
| 13:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | if () as well, could get replaced by a for(;!cond;) |
| 13:58.08 | MohammadAG | isn't for() = a loop? |
| 13:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | coding pretty print styles, ohmy |
| 13:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but you can leave it |
| 14:00.26 | crashanddie_ | at least I've never come across code like this: int m = 754974721, N, t[1 << 22], a, *p, i, e = 1 << 22, j, s, b, c, U; |
| 14:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | actually c for() is the most universal generic structure I know of |
| 14:01.29 | crashanddie_ | for (s = 1 << 23; s; s /= 2, d = d * 1LL * d % m) if (s < N) for (p = t; p < t + N; p += s) for (i = s, c = 1; i; i--) b = *p + p[s], p[s] = (m + *p - p[s]) * 1LL * c % m, *p++ = b % m, c = c * 1LL * d % m; |
| 14:01.48 | ShadowJK_ | crashanddie, please take it to IOCC ;P |
| 14:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
| 14:01.59 | crashanddie_ | ShadowJK_: that is from the IOCC :D |
| 14:02.05 | ShadowJK_ | right.. |
| 14:02.11 | crashanddie_ | http://www.de.ioccc.org/2000/bellard.c |
| 14:03.16 | crashanddie_ | for (s = 1 << 23; s; s /= 2, d = d * 1LL * d % m) |
| 14:03.20 | crashanddie_ | that's just so fucked up |
| 14:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: that code quite obviously is incomplete or defect |
| 14:03.36 | crashanddie_ | why? |
| 14:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | the long statement above parses in my half awake brain as ()-mismatch |
| 14:04.28 | DocScrutinizer | oh, nm |
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| 14:05.09 | crashanddie_ | nha, the code compiles and runs |
| 14:05.24 | crashanddie_ | $ gcc test.c -o test |
| 14:05.34 | crashanddie_ | $ ./test |
| 14:05.34 | crashanddie_ | 43707574412708137883332329120694607086762477057485160663101813181519232482250706538655558566724858305900302708269932093906729090697842563946314162645794637615708446891396433623197513123667 |
| 14:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | I have to admit I fail to understand the full semantics of comma |
| 14:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | didn't know it's allowed to build compounds |
| 14:07.53 | crashanddie_ | it's not a compound |
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| 14:08.05 | villager | comma just means throw away the result of the previous expression (while keeping the side effects, of course) and return the result of the next expression... it can be used in any expression |
| 14:08.09 | crashanddie_ | it just evaluates the first part, discards the return value, and evaluates the second one |
| 14:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | heh thnx |
| 14:08.49 | crashanddie_ | From wikipedia: (a, b) is equivalent to (a ? b : b) |
| 14:09.16 | crashanddie_ | anyway |
| 14:09.17 | crashanddie_ | I'm iouyt |
| 14:09.21 | crashanddie_ | I'm out, even |
| 14:09.23 | villager | I regularly use commas in my for statements when it makes sense |
| 14:09.44 | crashanddie_ | The fact that using comma makes regularly sense is quite remarkable |
| 14:09.48 | crashanddie_ | or worrying, depending on context |
| 14:09.56 | crashanddie_ | anyway |
| 14:09.57 | crashanddie_ | take care |
| 14:10.27 | villager | for multiple loop variables it does... |
| 14:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | villager: in for statements I'm used to it, in plain code it looked strange and undefined to me. Of course everything is defined somehow in C |
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| 14:11.19 | djszapi | any arch user here with N900 ? |
| 14:11.45 | BCMM | i'm curious as to what could be arch-specific and n900-related... |
| 14:12.11 | BCMM | djszapi: are you sure a user of a different distro couldn't help? |
| 14:12.20 | villager | outside of a for statement a comma can usually be replaced with a regular semicolon, so it generally does not make sense to use it elsewhere, but it's legal |
| 14:12.31 | djszapi | BCMM: how to set up the network on arch |
| 14:12.40 | BCMM | USB networking? |
| 14:12.45 | djszapi | yes |
| 14:13.00 | djszapi | in order to install packages with apt-get there from the internet etc. |
| 14:13.52 | djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking => This page does not have any Arch instruction. |
| 14:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | villager: c has too much freedom to do nonsense (...by accident usually) |
| 14:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | basically C is a highly sophisticated assembler |
| 14:17.07 | villager | yes, it follows from the history of C... |
| 14:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | while almost all other "hig level langueages" follow the paradigm to analyze and interpret the logic in a code, and even to things like runtime-checks to further restrict what can happen, C is simply offering assembler macros you can use any way you like |
| 14:17.32 | ShadowJK_ | djszapi: MPlayer does not use DSP |
| 14:18.45 | djszapi | ShadowJK_: what uses then ? |
| 14:19.09 | ShadowJK_ | The built-in media player does |
| 14:19.17 | djszapi | its name ? |
| 14:19.24 | villager | DocScrutinizer: well, keep in mind that all those other languages are implemented in C... but when C was first invented, one step up from assembler was all that was feasible, but pretty much a necessary step in order to allow all those more advanced languages to be possible |
| 14:19.36 | ShadowJK_ | "Media Player"? |
| 14:19.50 | djszapi | no |
| 14:20.01 | achipa | ShadowJK_: djszapi: essentially, boils down to gstreamer |
| 14:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | villager: appreciated |
| 14:20.16 | djszapi | ShadowJK_: Media<tab> no result. |
| 14:20.18 | lcuk | villager, C is cross platform ASM :P |
| 14:20.18 | ShadowJK_ | Media Player - mafw - gstreamer - dsp |
| 14:20.50 | djszapi | lcuk: huh ? |
| 14:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ++ |
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| 14:21.10 | djszapi | ShadowJK_: I need its name in order to run it from cli |
| 14:21.15 | MohammadAG | you can't |
| 14:21.27 | ShadowJK_ | /usr/bin/mediaplayer |
| 14:21.32 | djszapi | right |
| 14:21.40 | ShadowJK_ | but it probably doesn't work from cli :) |
| 14:22.08 | djszapi | that is not nice at all. |
| 14:22.56 | MohammadAG | my SGX is fucked, brb |
| 14:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | meh, there's a lot of such crap in maemo. Try opening a particular file in Notes :-( |
| 14:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | you mustn't think Notes would take cmdline arguments |
| 14:25.11 | djszapi | ShadowJK_: black screen if I select the Media Player after clicking on the flv file in the filemanager... |
| 14:25.37 | djszapi | "Uanble to play media. Video codec not supported" lol |
| 14:25.48 | djszapi | Any arch and N900 user here ? |
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| 14:26.03 | ShadowJK | Yeah it doesn't play flv without extra-codecs or codecs-extra or whatever it was called |
| 14:26.16 | djszapi | too bad |
| 14:26.20 | MohammadAG | decoders-support |
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| 14:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | what a name |
| 14:26.38 | djszapi | well, I cannot install any package until the network does not work on arch./ |
| 14:27.18 | MohammadAG | suggestions for zoom in and out in hildon-desktop? |
| 14:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | you can ;-) copy the pkg file to uSD |
| 14:27.49 | MohammadAG | CTRL+SHIFT+(what?) |
| 14:27.53 | djszapi | ShadowJK: lol this media player is good at generating random freezes |
| 14:28.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: obviously + / - |
| 14:28.06 | MohammadAG | Nokia's mediaplayer sucks |
| 14:28.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I can't capture those |
| 14:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | check with my matrix of unallowed thre-key-combos |
| 14:28.32 | djszapi | well, mplayer is not an alternative either with no dsp support |
| 14:28.42 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop is always on, if I do capture them, volume won't work |
| 14:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | then I'd suggest ctrl-blue-up/down |
| 14:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | nah, conflicts with german kbd layout |
| 14:29.54 | MohammadAG | letters, please :P |
| 14:30.06 | MohammadAG | it's CTRL+SHIFT+R/F, but that conflicts with rotation flag |
| 14:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | + and - actually are letters - no really, I just mean the letters where + and - sit on |
| 14:30.34 | MohammadAG | I'd use I/O, but I is needed in microB |
| 14:30.44 | MohammadAG | S and F |
| 14:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | what's with shift-vol+/vol- (aka F7/8 iirc) |
| 14:31.33 | lcuk | MohammadAG, Maemo5 UI team might suggest swirly zoom o_O |
| 14:32.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the status bar volume thing captures the keys |
| 14:32.16 | MohammadAG | you can't use them unless you capture them |
| 14:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | err, also the shifted ones? |
| 14:32.27 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 14:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | shit |
| 14:32.37 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I'd like that too :) |
| 14:32.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, qwerty12 complained about it in his last app/daemon |
| 14:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | we got a TICKET (in bold) for that? |
| 14:33.33 | MohammadAG | no, it's intended functionality |
| 14:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | btw xchat nicely captures those keys |
| 14:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | too nicely I have to add |
| 14:34.19 | zogg_ | MohammadAG where is qwerty12 any one knows btw? |
| 14:34.33 | MohammadAG | zogg_, nope, he left without a trace |
| 14:34.41 | zogg_ | huh |
| 14:34.42 | zogg_ | =( |
| 14:34.58 | MohammadAG | he left a rant |
| 14:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | on a visit with Dr Mabuse |
| 14:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | or Blofeld |
| 14:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | killing Blofeld's cat |
| 14:35.40 | jaska | ernst stavro? |
| 14:35.42 | jaska | ah |
| 14:36.32 | MohammadAG | still can't figure out how to change volume |
| 14:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | (rant) one with a lot of ****** and beeeps |
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| 14:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ?? |
| 14:37.20 | MohammadAG | mafw |
| 14:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | there's a dbus call for it, no? |
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| 14:38.11 | MohammadAG | that sucks when you do it multiple times a second |
| 14:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | chnaging volume is a really tricky thing, as there's a friggin lot of concurrent volumes |
| 14:38.15 | MohammadAG | i.e when moving a slider |
| 14:38.30 | MohammadAG | there's a way to do it with mafw |
| 14:38.35 | MohammadAG | but the documentation is meh |
| 14:38.37 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29#Using_a_renderer |
| 14:38.50 | MohammadAG | it mentions _do_set_volume(), no idea where that function's from |
| 14:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess from that link and context it's a method of the renderer object |
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| 14:40.31 | MohammadAG | wouldn't that be mafw_renderer_do_set_volume () then? |
| 14:40.44 | MohammadAG | my attempt at using GValue resulted in a segfault |
| 14:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | nfi |
| 14:41.47 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/j6K0wPeG |
| 14:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | I just can tell you there are several concurrent volumes, and you might want to think twice about which one(s) you actually want to change |
| 14:42.19 | MohammadAG | mafw has to worry about that, not me |
| 14:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that's nonsense |
| 14:42.40 | MohammadAG | not really :) |
| 14:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | these volumes have diferent semantics |
| 14:43.06 | MohammadAG | yeah, but mafw only changes the "normal" one |
| 14:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | do you want to change the digital attenuation for that particular mp3 playback, do you want to change the hardware headset volume - if so then do you want it to be temporary or persistent... etc pp |
| 14:44.26 | MohammadAG | again, that's mafw's responsibility, not mine |
| 14:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | there are even several hw volumes |
| 14:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | for all I can tell from my understanding of N900 hw |
| 14:45.03 | MohammadAG | btw |
| 14:45.09 | MohammadAG | since we're talking about playback |
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| 14:45.21 | MohammadAG | w(hy)tf does the device not support mixed sounds? |
| 14:45.36 | MohammadAG | playing a song during a call, or during camera capture |
| 14:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | the device? PA is supposed to care about it, as they decided ALSA dmix can't do it |
| 14:46.41 | MohammadAG | it can obviously do two sounds at once, they have it disabled somewhere |
| 14:46.55 | MohammadAG | the beep that sounds when playing music and a notification comes in is an example |
| 14:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | anyway you got just one useable set of DACs, so if camera exclusively opens the audio hw for playback of that silly shutter sound, then there's no DAC left for playback of mp3 via AV-headset jack |
| 14:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's quite probably done in alsaped policies |
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| 14:49.22 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# xprop -id 0x044008e8 |
| 14:49.24 | MohammadAG | _OMAP_VIDEO_OVERLAY(INTEGER) = 1 |
| 14:49.24 | MohammadAG | _HILDON_DO_NOT_DISTURB(INTEGER) = 1 |
| 14:49.37 | MohammadAG | if anyone's interested in DND and videos in Qt apps |
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| 14:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | (alsaped & policies) just another case of where's-the-fscking-manual? and dumping source is as worthless as dumping source of a c compiler is for defining c syntax for developers |
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| 14:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | ""how to use destructor in an object? Dude lemme point you to the compiler source in mxr, there's all you need"" |
| 14:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | ^^^Nokia's take on FOSS |
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| 14:58.09 | norayr | trx: hey |
| 14:58.27 | trx | hey |
| 14:58.41 | trx | i created a script that we were talking about |
| 14:58.49 | trx | having some problems tho |
| 14:58.55 | norayr | wow |
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| 14:59.20 | trx | i compile 2.5.1 sources |
| 14:59.22 | norayr | I was sick this couple of days, now I am better, and wanted to do that. Nice, did you use my wiki page as a reference? |
| 14:59.27 | trx | but compiler reports 2.2.2 |
| 14:59.37 | trx | any idea why? |
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| 15:00.12 | trx | (so when i try to compile, it can't find proper units) |
| 15:00.17 | norayr | Are you sure you are calling the right compiler? Did you use ARM binary 2.2.2 compiler they provide at the web site? |
| 15:00.22 | norayr | Because I didn't use it. |
| 15:00.24 | trx | no |
| 15:00.39 | trx | i compiled the 2.5.1 src i had on x86 for ARM |
| 15:00.51 | trx | transfered it to scratchbox |
| 15:00.57 | norayr | I wanted to ask you whether autobuilder can call svn |
| 15:01.04 | trx | and then used it to compile fpc |
| 15:01.05 | norayr | I mean subversion |
| 15:01.14 | trx | it does, just build-depend on it |
| 15:01.28 | trx | (i havent tried actually) |
| 15:01.30 | norayr | I never seen anything like that. |
| 15:01.34 | trx | but i would assume so |
| 15:01.57 | trx | why wouldn't it, its a package like any other |
| 15:01.58 | norayr | So, you build an ARM eabi compiler on PC, then transferred it to scratchbox, right? |
| 15:02.09 | trx | yes, ppcarm |
| 15:02.17 | trx | thats the only thing you need |
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| 15:02.23 | norayr | exactly |
| 15:02.24 | MohammadAG | if anyone's interested (cc alterego) http://pastebin.com/BEbk3nxC |
| 15:02.43 | norayr | Besides, how would you give it to autobuilder? Tell it to download from somewhere with wget? |
| 15:02.55 | MohammadAG | meh, deleted the paste by mistake |
| 15:03.09 | trx | norayr for now just include it with the source tar |
| 15:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (capturing keys) there's something about that in MHD. Capture or send dbus signal, sth along that line. You might want to check there |
| 15:03.23 | norayr | Ah |
| 15:03.39 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/uW2JF5FJ |
| 15:03.59 | norayr | okay, I'll check my ppcarm versions, and how they report themselves. |
| 15:04.10 | norayr | Anyway, I guess |
| 15:04.30 | norayr | the problem is in the commandline you use while trying to compile the source. |
| 15:04.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mhd here, nothing about that |
| 15:04.48 | norayr | Did you mention exactly PP= absolute path ? |
| 15:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | check the "specs" |
| 15:05.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Porting_Existing_GTK%2B_Application_to_Maemo_5#Enabling_volume.2Fzoom_keys |
| 15:06.27 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: on first reading, i thought you were saying that Nokia's take on FOSS was to call it's destructor... delete foss; |
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| 15:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_shift_ctrl (*) |
| 15:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you're missing the point |
| 15:09.02 | MohammadAG | the keys aren't reported at all when they're captured by the plugin |
| 15:09.17 | MohammadAG | so unless you want me to reimplement volume changing in hildon-desktop, using them is impossible |
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| 15:12.11 | MohammadAG | piggz, thanks for the sis files btw :) |
| 15:14.00 | piggz | MohammadAG: np...they worked for you? ... do you also want the sqlite3.sis and qmlviewer.sis? what about the openc and pips supporting files? |
| 15:15.16 | MohammadAG | piggz, nah, installing those worked fine |
| 15:15.27 | MohammadAG | piggz, afaik Nokia Bubbles installs qmlviewer.sis |
| 15:16.13 | piggz | MohammadAG: for reference, i was installing sdk1.1, because in 1.0, with qt 4.6.2, qwebpage is horribly broken, so, if you write anything using qwebkit, aim for 4.7.2 |
| 15:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay: pong? |
| 15:16.57 | MohammadAG | piggz, QWebkit stuff never compiled for me for Symbian^3 (at least on 4.6.2) |
| 15:18.39 | piggz | MohammadAG: i knocked up a simple app for n900, and decided to port to symbian (^1 atm as i also have a 5800)...my app worked fine in the simulator, but crashed the phone due to a bug in netowork handling |
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| 15:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: actually that's been exactly what I was pointing you at. Obviously HD is a very early instance to deal with keypress events and decides what to do with those. It's quite possible (M)HD needs some patch there to allow generic management of what to do when an arbirary key(combo) got pressed |
| 15:21.10 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: It's been about 15 months or so since I got told I might have gotten Nokia sued by Nintendo. Good times. lol |
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| 15:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | Pff |
| 15:21.25 | GeneralAntilles | What a mess that was. |
| 15:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | zerojay: wut? |
| 15:22.09 | zerojay | And then it was all wrong. lol |
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| 15:22.31 | zerojay | I won't tell the full story here since it's logged. |
| 15:22.52 | zerojay | But yeah... what a mess. lol |
| 15:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | googling for "logged story" won't help ;-D |
| 15:24.57 | zerojay | In the end, it had nothing at all to do with me. |
| 15:25.06 | zerojay | Miscommunication. |
| 15:25.27 | zerojay | I just stumbled across the OMG OMG OMG emails last night. |
| 15:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, if it was of the kind that'S happening right now, then I'm not surprised |
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| 15:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | even on IRC it's quite best practice to either have an implicit or explicit subject giving a concise but precise idea of the topic and the involved backgound, or alternatively narrow down the communication channel to those addressees that don't need such subject as they already got the background and context |
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| 15:30.22 | villager | MohammadAG: well you're not using GValue correctly in that thing you pasted into pastebin... |
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| 15:30.53 | MohammadAG | villager, sorry, I'm a GLib/Gtk noob |
| 15:31.21 | villager | MohammadAG: according to GValue docs, the value needs to be initialized to nulls, so you should use GValue value = {0}; |
| 15:31.46 | villager | MohammadAG: also mafw docs says that the volume is G_TYPE_UINT, not G_TYPE_INT |
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| 15:32.45 | norayr | people who knows are there subversion in the maemo autobuilder installed? |
| 15:33.42 | MohammadAG | well |
| 15:33.49 | MohammadAG | at least it doesn't segfault now :) |
| 15:33.56 | MohammadAG | but still fails to change volume :/ |
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| 15:35.44 | villager | well, can't help with that, I mostly know about glib/gtk/gstreamer and some hildon, but not mafw in particular |
| 15:37.09 | BCMM | ok, i'm a little confused here |
| 15:37.25 | BCMM | which package owns /usr/bin/top, by default? |
| 15:37.41 | BCMM | oh, sorry |
| 15:37.42 | villager | MohammadAG: but you're using G_TYPE_UINT and set_uint now? |
| 15:37.50 | MohammadAG | busybox |
| 15:37.53 | BCMM | didn't see busybox-symlinks-procps being uninstalled |
| 15:38.04 | BCMM | MohammadAG: surely busybox-symlinks-procps? |
| 15:38.05 | MohammadAG | oh, set_uint |
| 15:38.07 | MohammadAG | tries |
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| 15:38.24 | MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg/info/busybox-symlinks-procps.list:/usr/bin/top |
| 15:38.39 | BCMM | nm, i thought installing the real procps had somehow clobbered part of BB, before i noticed busybox-symlinks-procps being uninstalled |
| 15:39.14 | MohammadAG | villager, that worked, thanks :) |
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| 16:03.46 | MohammadAG | villager, any ideas what warning: missing initializer for member '_GValue::data' means? |
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| 16:04.15 | villager | MohammadAG: that sounds like a c++ thing |
| 16:04.53 | MohammadAG | well, I'm mixing C and C++ since mafw is C/GObject and Qt is C++ |
| 16:05.18 | villager | MohammadAG: other than "the member is missing an initializer", I wouldn't know without seeing the code... |
| 16:06.05 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/P30FkzhG villager |
| 16:06.54 | villager | MohammadAG: on what line is the warning? the GValue value one? |
| 16:07.18 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.06 | villager | MohammadAG: then I guess it's a case of c++ being more strict than c |
| 16:08.30 | MohammadAG | villager, any ideas if it can be hidden? I hate warnings |
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| 16:11.36 | villager | MohammadAG: the cleanest might be to initialize the GValue using memset() instead of with a structure initializer... like GValue value; memset(&value, 0, sizeof(value)); |
| 16:13.21 | villager | MohammadAG: or maybe use glib's c++ bindings (glibmm) instead of its c interface, I suppose, but that might be more work and add more dependencies... |
| 16:14.01 | MohammadAG | villager, first solution worked fine :) |
| 16:15.47 | khertan | hello |
| 16:16.02 | khertan | what did you think of the design of my website : khertan.net ? |
| 16:17.28 | SpeedEvil | khertan: looks OK |
| 16:17.37 | SpeedEvil | Easy to read, reasonably fast loading. |
| 16:17.57 | khertan | my reference device to test is n900 |
| 16:18.05 | khertan | over 3G :) |
| 16:18.05 | SpeedEvil | 'in these communities' - ratehr than 'this community' |
| 16:18.17 | khertan | indeed |
| 16:18.20 | SpeedEvil | And minor similar grammar issues. |
| 16:18.24 | khertan | arg |
| 16:18.38 | SpeedEvil | But nothing really that 'leap out and smack you in the face' |
| 16:19.32 | khertan | hum ... maybe i should try to found a open source grammatical corrector :) |
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| 16:21.51 | khertan | SpeedEvil, thx |
| 16:27.20 | lcuk | #baconstrips |
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| 16:27.30 | noobmonk3y | urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:27.41 | lcuk | Yo! noobmonk3y |
| 16:27.51 | noobmonk3y | hey lcuky! |
| 16:28.00 | noobmonk3y | is having an n900 related problem!!! urghhh |
| 16:28.10 | noobmonk3y | oooooooooo maybe not! |
| 16:28.16 | noobmonk3y | yay the flashing finally worked! |
| 16:28.54 | noobmonk3y | hows #maemo #meego etc? :) |
| 16:29.37 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, today is hard. |
| 16:29.52 | lcuk | the house is full of smell of cooking pork |
| 16:29.59 | noobmonk3y | hbahahaha! |
| 16:30.01 | noobmonk3y | why so hard?! |
| 16:30.02 | lcuk | and I am just about ready to eat hind leg off a donkey |
| 16:30.03 | noobmonk3y | that is good! |
| 16:30.12 | lcuk | is starving |
| 16:30.18 | noobmonk3y | ooo my n900 feels new again! my first full flash + eemc |
| 16:30.21 | MohammadAG | hands lcuk a trout |
| 16:30.23 | noobmonk3y | emmc* |
| 16:30.27 | noobmonk3y | he mo ;) |
| 16:30.28 | lcuk | and it will not be ready for another 65 minutes |
| 16:30.29 | noobmonk3y | hey* |
| 16:30.36 | MohammadAG | hey noobmonk3y :D |
| 16:30.59 | MohammadAG | 6356 lines of code in the foss mediaplayer, and it's not done yet :D |
| 16:31.23 | noobmonk3y | woooops battery fell out |
| 16:31.31 | noobmonk3y | wow!!! |
| 16:31.34 | noobmonk3y | youve been a busy mo! |
| 16:31.49 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 16:32.04 | MohammadAG | that counts the GPL license in all files |
| 16:32.07 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, 2 days until pancake day... i have developed a 26 rasher bacon/pancake mix ;) |
| 16:32.08 | MohammadAG | does more grepping |
| 16:32.21 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, 6355 of them are comments "how tf do I do this" |
| 16:32.26 | noobmonk3y | lol!!!! |
| 16:32.30 | lcuk | and one line is shell("mediaplayer") |
| 16:32.36 | MohammadAG | oh well |
| 16:32.50 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, wow |
| 16:33.05 | lcuk | after last year I did not think you would improve on the 24rasher recipe |
| 16:34.27 | noobmonk3y | hehehe! |
| 16:34.31 | noobmonk3y | this one will be a beaut! |
| 16:34.35 | noobmonk3y | might feed 4 i think |
| 16:34.36 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 16:34.57 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, yes, "might" feed 4 |
| 16:35.04 | lcuk | or one monkey |
| 16:36.06 | noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmm |
| 16:36.11 | noobmonk3y | where do i need to place the backup files |
| 16:36.15 | noobmonk3y | for the n900 to see them? |
| 16:36.40 | lcuk | mydocs usually |
| 16:36.47 | noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm |
| 16:36.54 | MohammadAG | I wonder why this is failing if (strcmp (name, MAFW_PROPERTY_RENDERER_VOLUME)) |
| 16:36.55 | lcuk | MyDocs/backups |
| 16:37.12 | lcuk | then one subfolder for each backup |
| 16:37.19 | noobmonk3y | okies |
| 16:38.10 | noobmonk3y | w000p restoring |
| 16:38.18 | noobmonk3y | everything barra pps lol |
| 16:38.23 | noobmonk3y | the phone has been useless for a month |
| 16:38.30 | noobmonk3y | just constantly at 100% meh |
| 16:40.12 | MohammadAG | k, this is annoying |
| 16:40.35 | MohammadAG | lcuk, ever used strcmp? |
| 16:41.17 | noobmonk3y | w000p brb - food |
| 16:42.54 | villager | MohammadAG: I don't know what you're trying to do, but the first thing to learn about strcmp is that it does not return a boolean... |
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| 16:44.36 | MohammadAG | an integer, meh |
| 16:44.41 | MohammadAG | thanks again villager |
| 16:44.47 | piggz | 0 = match |
| 16:44.52 | villager | if you do use it as if it does (which I often do), you should at least know what it means... |
| 16:45.04 | MohammadAG | tries if (strcmp (name, MAFW_PROPERTY_RENDERER_VOLUME) == 0) { |
| 16:45.17 | MohammadAG | villager, I've never used it :P |
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| 16:46.10 | villager | for instance, you can use a logical NOT operator to check if it's returning 0 (since in C, 0 and false is the same thing), which would check for a match... |
| 16:46.42 | villager | i.e. ! strcmp(...9, which I often use because I'm lazy, but people say that using == is more readable |
| 16:47.02 | piggz | ah, the reverse logic of the c library...gotta love qt ;) |
| 16:47.13 | villager | s/9/)/ |
| 16:49.19 | MohammadAG | got it |
| 16:49.34 | MohammadAG | though again, I've never used, I just use if (QString == QString) in Qt |
| 16:49.58 | MohammadAG | mafw support lyrics |
| 16:50.09 | MohammadAG | it's a shame the stock player never used this, the iPhone's player does |
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| 16:52.10 | villager | in my opinion, neither C nor C++ are really suitable languages for newbie programmers... they were sort of designed for people who already knew what they were doing before they learned the language... |
| 16:53.18 | BCMM | when C was designed, everything that already existed made even less sense. |
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| 16:53.29 | BCMM | well, that's the popular opinion anyway. personally, fortran is kinda nice. |
| 16:53.34 | villager | BCMM: pretty much, and people knew how to deal with that... |
| 16:53.45 | MohammadAG | villager, gotta start somewhere right? :) |
| 16:53.54 | BCMM | hmm |
| 16:54.27 | BCMM | C wasn't designed for people who had learned on BASIC. It was designed for FORTRAN programmers; all newbies should learn FORTRAN. |
| 16:55.00 | villager | what do you base your c and fortran connection on? |
| 16:55.07 | lcuk | pascal came bafore C |
| 16:55.13 | lcuk | and BASIC came almost 10 years before c |
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| 16:55.52 | BCMM | lcuk: modern "basic" is completely unrecognisable |
| 16:56.00 | BCMM | but i didn't know pascal was that early |
| 16:56.14 | BCMM | villager: it was *supposed* to be wrong |
| 16:56.16 | buntfalke | $ /opt/marble/bin/marble.sh |
| 16:56.18 | buntfalke | Unsupported DBUS type: 0 |
| 16:56.19 | buntfalke | Segmentation fault |
| 16:56.21 | buntfalke | Same for you guys? |
| 16:56.29 | BCMM | i'm trying to question the idea that C was "designed for people who already know what they're doing" |
| 16:56.44 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_programming_languages |
| 16:57.21 | lcuk | C was just an evolution of B |
| 16:57.25 | lcuk | and came in 1971 |
| 16:57.29 | villager | BCMM: well, as far as I know, C was designed to appeal to BCPL programmers... |
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| 16:59.07 | lcuk | wonders which programming languages will be born in 2011 |
| 16:59.37 | buntfalke | 2011 will be the year of Haskell in the Mainstream!11 |
| 16:59.47 | buntfalke | Finally!11 |
| 17:00.46 | APTX | not the year of linux? |
| 17:00.58 | APTX | Though I hear that every year -.- |
| 17:01.32 | villager | for me, every year is a year of linux anyway |
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| 17:02.23 | buntfalke | So. What about marble. segfaults for you, too? |
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| 17:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | damn, my SIP account blunders. Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2, while the other N900 with Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.1 works just fine |
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| 17:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
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| 17:19.38 | pupnik_ | what's surprising there |
| 17:20.25 | pupnik_ | besides creative numbering |
| 17:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | the fact I got a newer candidate which doesn't get installed |
| 17:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | anyway installed it manually, didn't help |
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| 17:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | I ponder to install Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.1 |
| 17:23.55 | pupnik_ | villager: it is quite readable to read if !foo() since it maps to "if not foo..." |
| 17:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | My N810 diablo yust works fine, my N900 PR1.1 with PK46 just works fine. Only my N900 PR1.2 with no particular tweaks to telephony acts up on SIP |
| 17:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | that's a real PITA |
| 17:26.04 | pupnik_ | mhe |
| 17:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | I already compared the settings, even the account config files, they are identical |
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| 17:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | still on "new" N900 inbound SIP gets rejected immediately and logged as missed call, while for outbound calls in dialpad I can't select SIP service (button highlights but doesn't open a dropdown menu), from contacts I can select SIP call and it opens dialpad with notifier "call finished" - so same as inbound |
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| 17:31.40 | pupnik_ | did you try the maemo4 version? |
| 17:31.48 | pupnik_ | is it related to the pr level? |
| 17:34.02 | javispedro | is happy, grmgpsd works: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/grmgpsd/activelog.png |
| 17:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | I tried the maemo4 version |
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| 17:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | but it didn't help |
| 17:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | now it's really fsckdup :-/ |
| 17:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | Mar 6 18:32:19 IroN900 kernel: [17536.607788] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered |
| 17:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | Mar 6 18:32:23 IroN900 kernel: [17540.271789] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered |
| 17:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | Mar 6 18:32:23 IroN900 kernel: [17540.896759] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered |
| 17:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | Mar 6 18:32:24 IroN900 kernel: [17541.521881] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered |
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| 17:36.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, reboot |
| 17:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | funny funny, surprise: this was after a reboot |
| 17:37.04 | javispedro | it can happen |
| 17:37.06 | MohammadAG | reboot again :) |
| 17:37.08 | javispedro | my n900 sometimes boots funny |
| 17:37.15 | javispedro | the sgx driver sucks. |
| 17:37.16 | MohammadAG | yeah, happened to me today |
| 17:37.22 | MohammadAG | must be the cosmos |
| 17:37.35 | javispedro | I think they're not fully initializing the hw somewhere |
| 17:37.46 | MohammadAG | well |
| 17:37.49 | javispedro | because a battery remove cycle usually ensures next boot it'll work. |
| 17:38.01 | MohammadAG | didn't the drivers get upgraded from PR1.1 to PR1.3? :) |
| 17:38.03 | pupnik_ | cool stuff javispedro - so n900 acts as bluetooth or usb gps? |
| 17:38.26 | javispedro | pupnik_: bt, but it could potentially act as usb |
| 17:39.06 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone heard of USB-gadget-pictbridge/ |
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| 17:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/109760/ is what's happening when I try to initiate a SIP call from AddrBook (it gets cancelled immediately with notifier "call finished") |
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| 17:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | well for inbound calls (that get "missed call" immediately) there's zero in syslog, so probably the above doesn't hold any hint |
| 17:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | curses Telepathy-SofiaSIP |
| 17:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | s/-SofiaSIP// |
| 17:50.28 | pupnik_ | DocScrutinizer: are the sipgate calls cheaper than regular? I'm wonering if it buys me any functionality besides 'calls from laptop' |
| 17:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | what's "regular"? |
| 17:51.08 | pupnik_ | cell phone.. i.e. call from n900 over cell network |
| 17:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.sipgate.de/user/tariffs.php |
| 17:52.48 | SpeedEvil | may be lots cheaper |
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| 17:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | funny point I just see: to Egypt it's cheaper to call cellphones than landlines |
| 17:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | Bahamas as well |
| 17:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | Hong Kong |
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| 18:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | Papua Newguinea, Ruanda, Surinam, Tansania, plus a few I prolly missed |
| 18:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | meh, a weird world. ten times cheaper to call a cellphone in Hong Kong than to call a cellphone 50m away |
| 18:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | plus this FU¶ÅżNG Telepathy-SofiaSIP is messing my daily cellphone's SIP functions |
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| 18:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: pictbridge on N900? |
| 18:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 18:07.55 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 18:08.24 | SpeedEvil | I can't be bothered to chase down the dependancies for getting my printer working with linux. |
| 18:08.45 | SpeedEvil | So I'm doing the stupid step of printing as jpegs, thenprinting those out. (it can read memory cards) |
| 18:08.56 | SpeedEvil | pictbridge would make this easy. |
| 18:09.04 | SpeedEvil | It can't read the n900 memory for some reason. |
| 18:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
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| 18:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | weird: the printer acts as OTG device? |
| 18:10.46 | SpeedEvil | No - it acts as USBhost |
| 18:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | or is there a dedicated receptacle for gadgets |
| 18:10.59 | SpeedEvil | It can read memory sticks and cards. |
| 18:11.05 | MohammadAG | mine has a full size USB port |
| 18:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | aah, and connects to PC via something separate |
| 18:11.23 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 18:11.30 | MohammadAG | has a BT adapter connected |
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| 18:12.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - it has a USB lead, and wireless |
| 18:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: try disabling bme. failure of ass rage mode might relate to charging |
| 18:12.48 | SpeedEvil | hmm - that's a thought. |
| 18:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | GRRR I'd reflash PR1.2 if I could get all the apps installed again. I'd even give PR1.3 a shot if I could reflash to PR1.2 and get all the apps installed |
| 18:16.30 | javispedro | mass rage mode |
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| 18:18.02 | MohammadAG | can't you? |
| 18:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | odds are SIP still broken in PR1.3, plus an arbitrary number of apps I like and which worked in PR1.2 |
| 18:18.17 | MohammadAG | but PR1.3 works fine :p |
| 18:18.18 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, canon? |
| 18:19.06 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: No, printer. |
| 18:19.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:19.17 | SpeedEvil | Lexmark all-in-one thingy. |
| 18:19.24 | ShadowJK | that's worse |
| 18:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so do all the apps and hacks and fixes I am using under PR1.2 currently? |
| 18:20.01 | MohammadAG | probably, yeah |
| 18:20.18 | SpeedEvil | It had massive cartridges, 3 year guarantee was half price, scanner too, and I can put up with the silly print-jpeg step. |
| 18:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | probably is a poor statement for convincing me to risk my daily phone |
| 18:21.14 | ShadowJK | bought HP laser specifically because they have decent Linux support |
| 18:21.22 | MohammadAG | a daily phone shouldn't have hacks :) |
| 18:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | says who? |
| 18:22.04 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah |
| 18:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: well, not all of them. And esp not the scanners :-/ |
| 18:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | hplip is a PITA most times |
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| 18:25.27 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, not if it's Android. |
| 18:29.13 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 18:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: 0 1000 22056 22619 20 0 0 0 exit Z ? 0:01 [python] <defunct> /usr/bin/hp-toolbox |
| 18:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | damn I had no zombies since some 5 years, until I installed the drivers for P1505 |
| 18:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | now I know there's smething wrong when there is NO zombie process of hplip |
| 18:32.15 | lcuk | we had a rather large zombie invasion from the local graveyard a couple of years ago |
| 18:32.38 | lcuk | oh cripes, you meant computer zombies, nm wrong channel |
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| 18:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: any comments regarding my Telepathy-SofiaSIP problem? |
| 18:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-06 18:11:06] <DocScrutinizer> damn, my SIP account blunders. Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2, while the other N900 with Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.1 works just fine |
| 18:34.36 | lcuk | i have not been looking, but as you know beyond installation and actually trying to forward bugs know nothing technical about SIP itself |
| 18:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah. Maybe you know what's current version of SofiaSIP, and when v0.6.2 got introduced |
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| 18:37.06 | djszapi | what should I install on fremanle to get flv support in the media player, the related gstreamer package is installed imho. |
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| 18:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: nm, http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-sofiasip/ |
| 18:39.10 | djszapi | gstreamer0.10-flv - FLV gst plugin from the good set -> this one |
| 18:41.44 | djszapi | mplayer works just fine, but media player not, why so ? :o |
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| 18:45.53 | pupnik_ | ~~i just checked in, to see what condition my condition was in |
| 18:46.38 | lolcat | My charger don't charge |
| 18:46.47 | lolcat | Is it the phone or the charger? |
| 18:46.51 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:47.45 | SpeedEvil | Does it charge if you plug it into a PC? |
| 18:49.17 | lolcat | The screen ligths up |
| 18:49.24 | lolcat | But it doesn't seem to charge |
| 18:49.36 | lolcat | there it started |
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| 18:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | who thought we need that scary requester in i2ctools install pkg? It's a pita when installing sth via ssh and apt-get, when there's a requester popping up on N900 screen and you sit there and wonder WTH is going on (or NOT going on) after apt-get spew out that |
| 18:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! |
| 18:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | WARNING!===============WARNING!===============WARNING! |
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| 18:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ?? |
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| 19:00.41 | pupnik_ | "what is a pandora"? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=159900944064603&set=a.159900854064612.44878.116214111766620&ref=nf |
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| 19:03.20 | FIQ | ~flashing |
| 19:03.20 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:03.29 | FIQ | correct, infobot, and thanks |
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| 19:41.33 | FIQ | hrm |
| 19:41.54 | FIQ | Is there a "debugmode" or something that I can turn on while booting so i can see what exactly is wrong? |
| 19:42.10 | FIQ | Because my phone refuses to proceed when coming to loading screen, and reflashing didn't have any effect |
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| 19:43.12 | alterego | FIQ: what did you reflash? emmc and rootfs? |
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| 19:45.01 | FIQ | flasher-3.5.exe -F /path/to/fw.bin -f |
| 19:45.13 | FIQ | and it worked, no errors occured |
| 19:45.20 | FIQ | but the device still refuses to boot |
| 19:45.37 | alterego | Was the the emmc or root image? |
| 19:46.01 | FIQ | rootfs |
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| 19:46.07 | ZogG | Venemo, heeeeey |
| 19:46.23 | alterego | Hrm |
| 19:46.29 | FIQ | i.e. RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 19:46.35 | nidO | you could flash a custom kernel with framebuffer enabled |
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| 19:47.40 | FIQ | Isn't rootfs reflash supposed to wipe out every possible error btw? |
| 19:47.52 | nidO | mostly |
| 19:48.13 | FIQ | because, the device is able to boot w/o /home directory (it will create one -- but my point is, errors in there shouldn't really stop device from booting, or should it?) |
| 19:48.18 | ZogG | FIQ, technically yes. but i now 100 % |
| 19:48.49 | ZogG | if you have errors in user configs that are in /home/user and i don't know if it's on rootfs |
| 19:49.53 | ZogG | FIQ don't think so |
| 19:50.02 | ZogG | FIQ, what is the problem error you have? |
| 19:51.10 | FIQ | Cannot really supply something useful (i guess), as it is a GUI loading screen, but well, after the logo, when the loading screen appears, it continues loading infinitly |
| 19:52.42 | FIQ | Should I attempt to reflash eMMC as well? |
| 19:53.46 | ZogG | i think try to flash |
| 19:53.48 | FIQ | And if so, how long would it take? (my battery isn't that full...) |
| 19:53.54 | ZogG | nothing worse can happen |
| 19:54.15 | FIQ | eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 <-- what PR version is that? |
| 19:54.52 | FIQ | PR1.2? |
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| 19:56.06 | FIQ | because any PRs doesn't really seem to have same version number |
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| 20:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for noob question, but how do I reinstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr via dpkg? (apt-get fails due to dependencies) |
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| 20:11.27 | alterego | ./flasher-3.5 -F RXBLAH-fiasco.bin -f ? |
| 20:11.28 | alterego | :) |
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| 20:12.03 | MohammadAG | you don't |
| 20:12.13 | MohammadAG | old versions are removed when a new PR is out |
| 20:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | fsck |
| 20:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | >:-( |
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| 20:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | i'll FLASH this piece of sh*t! |
| 20:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | SSU - a hoax |
| 20:14.36 | danny___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.40 | FIQ | dependecies... |
| 20:14.44 | FIQ | upstart or busybox! |
| 20:15.00 | FIQ | er, sysvinit-fs* |
| 20:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | danny___: nope |
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| 20:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | danny___: you might want to have a look at backupmenu app |
| 20:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | and I might want to look at |
| 20:16.34 | FIQ | hrm... |
| 20:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 20:16.36 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | now |
| 20:16.38 | FIQ | Now it actually booted |
| 20:16.42 | FIQ | With... no fonts :D |
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| 20:16.47 | FIQ | (squares everywhere) |
| 20:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 20:17.16 | FIQ | I guess my /opt somehow is breaked :P |
| 20:17.21 | FIQ | At least i can charge |
| 20:17.28 | FIQ | which i will do before any more attempt |
| 20:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | which you should do |
| 20:17.34 | FIQ | yeah |
| 20:18.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, PR1.3? Pwease? |
| 20:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | ssh might have a better charset ;-) |
| 20:18.09 | MohammadAG | that way you can go with PR1.3.3.7 :P |
| 20:18.17 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer, :P |
| 20:18.21 | FIQ | uhm |
| 20:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please elaborate |
| 20:18.30 | FIQ | so... how should i connect to wlan now... |
| 20:18.34 | MohammadAG | CSSU |
| 20:18.47 | MohammadAG | why the f is tracker broken in the X86 SDK :/ |
| 20:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | you mean CSSU should update a fsckdup PR1.2 with mp-fremantle-generic-pr removed and incompatible pkg installed? |
| 20:19.33 | danny___ | DocScrutinizer: ok thanks i will look into backupmenu |
| 20:19.36 | MohammadAG | no, I meant if you're flashing it, go with PR1.3 |
| 20:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | that's the purpose of the whole enterprise |
| 20:20.12 | FIQ | but i can't see how charged the device is :( |
| 20:20.18 | FIQ | due to no images, no fonts, nothing |
| 20:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | lock, watch LED |
| 20:20.33 | FIQ | ok, _some_ images, like BG |
| 20:20.37 | FIQ | oh, true |
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| 20:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR mp-fremantle-generic-pr what a PITA |
| 20:22.07 | FIQ | lol, i had _one_ image in the menu - a broken xterm icon |
| 20:26.45 | _0x47 | Hi all, how can I check in debian/preinst if installation was called from HAM (instead of apt-get)? |
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| 20:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | YAY, even when removing the conflicting pkgs, an apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr isn't exactly cheering |
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| 20:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | 978 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 1 to remove and 31 not upgraded. |
| 20:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | Need to get 69,8MB of archives. |
| 20:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | After this operation, 25,1MB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 20:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | well fsckit, YES!! do it |
| 20:30.07 | villager | are you sure it's not the pr1.3 mp-fremantle-generic-pr then? |
| 20:30.08 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer, maybe you're attempting to do an upgrade |
| 20:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | is fetching popcorn and a can of tranquilizers |
| 20:30.24 | FIQ | because of the use of mp-generic-fremantle-pr is just that |
| 20:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure it IS the pr1.3 |
| 20:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | the whole purpose of this enterprise is an update to PR1.3 though |
| 20:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | and MohammadAG told me the PR1.2 mp-generic isn't available anymore |
| 20:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | so I'll happily watch it going bonkers, then reflash |
| 20:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe first try to restore the image created with backmenu, just for fun |
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| 20:37.10 | dado7 | hi people, good nights, Do we have rubybox or similar front end dosbox for our n900? |
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| 20:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | so far it's been a smooth ride - said the guy falling off the roof when he passed floor 13 |
| 20:44.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, while xchat is running |
| 20:44.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | O/ |
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| 20:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | Unpacking cherry (from .../cherry_0.25-1+0m5_armel.deb) ... GRRRRR |
| 20:52.27 | ezisto | hello everyone , could anyone please give me a brief steps on how to get mer on my N900 ? |
| 20:54.21 | GAN900 | Mer is dead. |
| 20:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | * Error in type 'application/atom+xml' |
| 20:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | * (in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml): |
| 20:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | * Unknown freedesktop.org field 'generic-icon'. |
| 20:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | Updating icon cache... |
| 20:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | Setting up mp-fremantle-generic-pr (20.2010.36-2) ... |
| 20:56.20 | ezisto | i know its been substituted with meego but i just want to test it |
| 20:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | now let's see... ;-D |
| 20:57.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | hah, X restarted, xchat autostarted ;-D |
| 20:59.03 | GAN900 | ezisto, info should be on the wiki. |
| 21:01.27 | ezisto | i had a look at the wiki and i managed to get it to boot, the problem is touch screen is not working |
| 21:02.49 | ezisto | and in order to boot it i had to use NITDroid kernel, so i guess this is the problem |
| 21:02.57 | MohammadAG | CTRL+SHIFT+X |
| 21:03.04 | MohammadAG | sudo tscalibrate |
| 21:03.10 | MohammadAG | attempt to calibrate it |
| 21:03.39 | MohammadAG | you can't boot maemo with the nitdroid kernel |
| 21:04.03 | ezisto | not maemo |
| 21:04.23 | ezisto | I'm talking about Mer |
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| 21:08.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, update done, SIP still borked |
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| 21:09.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah now it works |
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| 21:11.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | now for cherries |
| 21:12.35 | ZogG | MohammadAG let's port ms-dos to n900 =) |
| 21:12.50 | ZogG | Venemo, ping |
| 21:13.18 | Venemo | ZogG, pong. I'm way over my head right now, thanks to both my gf and my family :( |
| 21:13.51 | ZogG | Venemo =( |
| 21:14.01 | ZogG | small question though? |
| 21:14.08 | Venemo | ZogG: I'm listening |
| 21:14.21 | ZogG | http://www.newty.de/fpt/callback.html#howto -> 3.2 How to Implement a Callback in C ? |
| 21:14.33 | ZogG | can it be usefull /used by me? |
| 21:15.52 | Venemo | ZogG, yes, all C frameworks use this concept :) |
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| 21:18.47 | ZogG | Venemo nice, than i wouldn't even need that mucg that notify function |
| 21:20.26 | Venemo | ZogG: actually, that function does the same thing under the hood |
| 21:20.40 | Venemo | ZogG: you give it a pointer to a callback function which it will call back |
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| 21:21.27 | ZogG | Venemo, ok - i would try to dig into it |
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| 21:21.39 | crashanddie | sup people |
| 21:21.41 | ZogG | but you talk to me when you have time coz i would need help |
| 21:21.46 | ZogG | sup |
| 21:22.16 | crashanddie | wtf is meego.gitorious in the topic+ |
| 21:22.19 | crashanddie | ? |
| 21:24.02 | Cor-Ai | topic |
| 21:24.06 | Cor-Ai | damn.. |
| 21:24.22 | Venemo | ZogG, of course |
| 21:24.52 | Venemo | ZogG, I'm very sorry for this. I know I promised you, but my father has some stuff that need to be done very urgently |
| 21:25.31 | ZogG | Venemo, no worries |
| 21:25.46 | pupnik_ | clalbacks in gtk confuzed me for quite a while |
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| 21:31.37 | FIQ | ...seriously |
| 21:31.53 | FIQ | i've reflashed again, and now i'm back at the "not booting" state |
| 21:32.01 | FIQ | uh, what |
| 21:32.05 | FIQ | NOW |
| 21:32.12 | FIQ | after like 5 minutes |
| 21:32.33 | FIQ | the first boot is longer, but if i reminded correct it weren't that long |
| 21:32.35 | FIQ | oh well |
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| 21:36.10 | pupnik_ | FIQ: you got a booting device? |
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| 21:40.47 | FIQ | yes :D |
| 21:40.55 | FIQ | a clean one as well |
| 21:41.09 | FIQ | (which i've wanted for weeks but been to lazy to reflash) |
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| 21:50.39 | _0x47 | Hi, how can I check if an installation was started from HAM or apt-get in script (debian/preinst)? |
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| 21:51.04 | _0x47 | in a* script |
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| 21:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: CSSU installed - what now?? :-D |
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| 21:54.41 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer, it goes like this: |
| 21:54.44 | merlin1991 | install cssu |
| 21:54.47 | merlin1991 | ???? |
| 21:54.48 | merlin1991 | profit |
| 21:54.49 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 21:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK, brighness applet has ONE setting >:-( |
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| 21:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | now THAT IS *GREAT* |
| 21:55.34 | ZogG | FIQ \o/ welcome back |
| 21:57.34 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer more than one options for pussies =) |
| 21:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | don't get me started, I'm seriously pissed!!! |
| 21:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT A SHIT IS THIS?? |
| 21:59.21 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: /quit |
| 21:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I need somebody to shout at |
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| 22:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: !!!! |
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| 22:01.52 | ZogG | lol |
| 22:02.26 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: go to 4chan or something |
| 22:02.44 | _0x47 | Why does my application run fine from terminal (normal user), but not from an icon? The problem: In the beginning the sound will not work, but later the whole app will crash. |
| 22:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | run-standalone.sh <app> |
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| 22:05.13 | pupnik | decides to blame it on MohammadAG |
| 22:05.30 | ZogG | crashanddie ÑÑÑе ÑÑ 4ÑÑÑÑ, |
| 22:05.37 | ZogG | what is 4chan? |
| 22:05.49 | FauxFaux | Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. No more. |
| 22:05.50 | crashanddie | lol |
| 22:06.01 | ZogG | crashanddie ? |
| 22:06.17 | crashanddie | google it |
| 22:06.24 | crashanddie | and go to the /b/ board |
| 22:06.40 | ZogG | crashanddie, disgusting |
| 22:06.50 | ZogG | how you even thought of suggestion such things |
| 22:07.02 | _0x47 | DocScrutinizer: that doesn't seem to help |
| 22:07.20 | ZogG | _0x47 what app? |
| 22:07.27 | crashanddie | ZogG: you seem to think that would somehow be my concern? |
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| 22:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | I wish somebody would suggest what to check for why brightness setting is reduced from 5 to 1 step |
| 22:07.43 | ZogG | crashanddie damn, you are boring to troll |
| 22:07.58 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: works fine here |
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| 22:08.06 | _0x47 | ZogG: vcmi |
| 22:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | CSSU? |
| 22:08.13 | crashanddie | I can kick your ass and make it interesting for everyone? |
| 22:08.22 | ZogG | _0x47, what is dat? |
| 22:08.42 | ZogG | crashanddie nope, you can't. if you kick me you only accept your fail =) |
| 22:08.44 | _0x47 | ZogG: some HOMM3 game engine rewrite... |
| 22:09.02 | crashanddie | ok |
| 22:09.21 | ZogG | oh |
| 22:09.25 | _0x47 | it works from command line all the time (even the run-standalone.sh works) but not from the .desktop file |
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| 22:09.46 | _0x47 | Exec = run-standalone.sh vcmiclient |
| 22:09.49 | _0x47 | no sound :( |
| 22:10.13 | ZogG | _0x47 check what parameters desctop file uses |
| 22:10.24 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, works fine for me |
| 22:10.25 | _0x47 | parameters for? |
| 22:10.34 | ZogG | CSSU and checked all steps work fine |
| 22:10.41 | ZogG | _0x47 for launch |
| 22:10.53 | ZogG | just check how does it launch from icon |
| 22:11.03 | ZogG | where are those icons are saved? |
| 22:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* thanks ZogG |
| 22:11.13 | _0x47 | ZogG: well, none, as I said: "Exec = run-standalone.sh vcmiclient" or "Exec = vcmiclient" |
| 22:11.34 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, try to reboot, did you tried cssu tuner or something? what were last steps? |
| 22:11.42 | _0x47 | saved in /usr/share/application/hildon/ i thing |
| 22:11.46 | _0x47 | think* |
| 22:12.01 | _0x47 | yes, confirmed |
| 22:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | I rebooted 3 times now, and no cssu tuner. last step: install PR1.3 update & CSSU |
| 22:13.03 | ZogG | _0x47 niope, not there |
| 22:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | were you using simple brightness applet prior to CSSU? |
| 22:13.27 | _0x47 | sry typo: /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 22:13.35 | _0x47 | applications* (with s) |
| 22:13.50 | ZogG | tried that |
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| 22:14.27 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, as idon't know what are you talking about i bet nope |
| 22:14.40 | _0x47 | ZogG: then your N900 is broken? :D |
| 22:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | and I bet nobody else tested CSSU with simple brightness applet |
| 22:15.09 | ZogG | _0x47, nope |
| 22:15.12 | _0x47 | ZogG: o, you mean the icon, or the .desktop file? |
| 22:15.38 | pupnik | what is simple brightness applet for... existing applet works |
| 22:15.38 | ZogG | _0x47, oh my bad |
| 22:15.41 | ZogG | it is there |
| 22:15.52 | ZogG | i just forgot i used cd and not cat =) |
| 22:16.02 | _0x47 | :D |
| 22:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: well, how do you change brightness? |
| 22:16.39 | ZogG | _0x47 try cat /usr/share/application/hildon/vcmi |
| 22:16.44 | ZogG | _0x47 try cat /usr/share/application/hildon/vcmi.desktop * |
| 22:17.05 | _0x47 | here? |
| 22:17.08 | crashanddie | what's the star for? |
| 22:17.09 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer i don't usually but there is settings -> display -> brightness |
| 22:17.11 | _0x47 | sec |
| 22:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 22:17.17 | ZogG | _0x47 on n900 |
| 22:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | that's what simple brightness applet is for |
| 22:17.31 | ZogG | crashanddie star is for mistypo |
| 22:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | it's an applet in system area |
| 22:17.43 | _0x47 | ZogG: :D sure, I mean if you want to see it... |
| 22:18.13 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, just to show hw i love you i'll try |
| 22:18.21 | ZogG | wait till i install it |
| 22:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | changing brightness is the most frequently used action on my devices (except taskswitching maybe) so it's essential for usability to have it in system area menu |
| 22:20.04 | _0x47 | ZogG: http://pastebin.com/kjY3NQki Note: the comments are there for trial and error reasons (to check if it works) |
| 22:21.06 | ZogG | _0x47 wait, did you try without comments? |
| 22:21.26 | _0x47 | ZogG: this is the original file http://pastebin.com/qunxD30B |
| 22:21.37 | ZogG | and what if you set terminal true? it would open terminal first and maybe wouldn' close it but it may work |
| 22:21.51 | _0x47 | and I also tried with Terminal=true and ...ShowInToolbar=true |
| 22:22.25 | ZogG | _0x47 when you use standalone did it launch? |
| 22:23.12 | _0x47 | it *always* launches, but there is no sound if launched from the icon |
| 22:23.26 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: click on widgets and brightness is in lower-right |
| 22:23.49 | pupnik | oh that *is* simple brighness applett |
| 22:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 22:23.55 | pupnik | sorry |
| 22:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and it has ONE sector / sliderbutton here |
| 22:24.30 | ZogG | _0x47 i have no idea, try to ask guys on forum if someone had those problems and if they resolved them |
| 22:24.47 | _0x47 | ok thanks anyways |
| 22:25.09 | ZogG | i just tryd to tell you what i would check =) |
| 22:25.53 | ZogG | good night |
| 22:26.05 | _0x47 | ZogG: yeah, thanks! good night |
| 22:28.05 | pupnik | "Nokia keeps the plan to release a MeeGo based device this year" - quim... i hope he's right! |
| 22:29.44 | javispedro | elop told that. |
| 22:31.19 | SpeedEvil | Somewhat off-topic. Is 'Quim' an unfortunate name in anywhere else than the UK? |
| 22:32.10 | javispedro | hum, why? |
| 22:32.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quim (slang for ladyparts) |
| 22:33.01 | SpeedEvil | Not commonly used. |
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| 22:34.16 | Scorcerer | SpeedEvil: not in Poland |
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| 22:47.14 | doc|home | SpeedEvil: I'm Irish and I've never heard of it |
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| 22:52.25 | javispedro | afaik, quim is actually an abbreviation of "joaquim" (a much more common name around here); however quim seems to always write it as quim. |
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| 23:13.14 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I should probably not ask questions like that - just woke up. |
| 23:13.23 | SpeedEvil | My filters don't work then. |
| 23:20.29 | pupnik | tries to shake off February 11 funk |
| 23:25.29 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: this seemingly confirms my suspicion: every single word in British English means (or has meant) "ladyparts" at one point in time and a specific place. |
| 23:25.53 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:26.14 | SpeedEvil | There are basically four definitions on urbandictionary, seemingly. |
| 23:28.58 | pupnik | i wonder if the meego device will run maemo apps |
| 23:30.40 | lolcat | Can't someone open-source make symbian and android apps availeble on maemo? |
| 23:32.49 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 23:33.09 | SpeedEvil | They have to however invest a considerable amount of time and effort into it. |
| 23:33.18 | SpeedEvil | So they have to consider it's worth it. |
| 23:33.29 | lolcat | I can pay 37 bitcoins |
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| 23:34.36 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: And if we had all the android software, and the symbian, our phone would be one fifth more win that the others |
| 23:34.45 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 23:34.57 | SpeedEvil | How much are bitcoins exchanging at currently? |
| 23:35.08 | SpeedEvil | I imagine it'd be at least several months of work. |
| 23:35.12 | lolcat | But I can actually only think of 3-4 android apps I want |
| 23:35.18 | lolcat | 0,8 last I checked |
| 23:35.59 | ShadowJK | Considering not even Nokia can make a symbian app work on every phone, I'd be extremely surprised if one could actually make a symbian emulator that could run a meaningful number of apps... |
| 23:36.28 | lolcat | ShadowJK: Someone in Nokia has run sybian under a linux phone, I assume it was meego |
| 23:36.34 | lolcat | You dont need an emulator |
| 23:36.44 | lolcat | Besides, is there a single usable symbian program? |
| 23:37.09 | SpeedEvil | Also - symbian is not binary compatible. |
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| 23:37.25 | SpeedEvil | So you'd need an emulator layer too. Or live with source level compatibilty. |
| 23:37.54 | ShadowJK | Well there's binfmt... |
| 23:38.12 | ShadowJK | But I still assume it's a wine level of effort |
| 23:38.27 | SpeedEvil | At best, yes, if the processors are binary compatible. |
| 23:38.51 | lolcat | But symbian is open-source |
| 23:38.54 | lolcat | Windows is not |
| 23:39.28 | SpeedEvil | Symbian is open-source, yes. |
| 23:39.34 | SpeedEvil | That does not mean the apps are. |
| 23:40.01 | ShadowJK | I wonder if opensource symbian actually runs anything, didn't they rewrite a whole bunch of stuff for that? |
| 23:41.07 | ShadowJK | I'd be pretty surprised if it was capable of running s60v3,v5 stuff, maybe symbian^3 apps.. |
| 23:44.12 | lolcat | I read a comment about some nokia dudes doing that bellow an article about how a company makes a program that converts android programs to run on maemo |
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| 23:45.29 | SpeedEvil | A lot of the momentum got killed some months before meego got launched. |
| 23:45.41 | SpeedEvil | When nokia began dissuading companies from developing for maemo |
| 23:45.51 | SpeedEvil | (at least this is my perception) |
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| 23:48.34 | lolcat | Do you think someone could get a hold of Alien Dalvik? |
| 23:49.23 | SpeedEvil | Contact the people that make it. |
| 23:52.16 | lolcat | Maybe I'll just wait for IcedRobot then |
| 23:52.22 | zerojay | GAN900: You might find this interesting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=981688 |
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| 23:58.33 | robbiethe1st | Hey guys, where would I find a dbus call etc. that would disable the cell modem, and another call to re-enas |
| 23:58.39 | robbiethe1st | *re-enable it |
