| 00:00.01 | Spydemon | jacekowski, it's sade.. :-( |
| 00:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's not entirely correct. You still get same amount of support you got a year ago, hell you even get a newer OS, and for sure you still can buy unused "new" N900 |
| 00:00.20 | divan | Spydemon, it will not die. I don't agree with jacekowski. |
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| 00:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | neither |
| 00:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | Spydemon: just make absolutely clear on your expectations. Don't buy the device for what it might (or most likely will not) become eventually - check if it meets your needs today |
| 00:03.14 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 00:03.17 | jacekowski | nokia maps |
| 00:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | don't hope for a bright future if the present isn't what you like |
| 00:03.46 | jacekowski | future will be only darker |
| 00:04.03 | Spydemon | my phone broke down last week and and i was interested by the N900. So it's a good idea or not ? I didn't have the time to wait until N950 come out :x |
| 00:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly much darker, but for sure not much brighter either |
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| 00:04.43 | Spydemon | i need a regular smartphone |
| 00:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | If I hadn't already two of them, I'd buy another N900 tomorrow. Hell, I might do anyway |
| 00:04.50 | SpeedEvil | If I was in themarket for a new phone, the only one that would suit me is then900. |
| 00:04.52 | Spydemon | not more, not less |
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| 00:05.07 | SpeedEvil | The n900 does not have any fart apps. |
| 00:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | N900 is all but a regular smartphone |
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| 00:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | it's more like the smallest 600MHz laptop with a cheesy phone built in |
| 00:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | if you're in for a "regular smartphone" then get an iPhone or andridiot device |
| 00:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | duh, timeless_w7ip using a wp7 iphone? |
| 00:10.44 | Spydemon | SpeedEvil, i know, N900 is the only phone that i know which work with an open source platform. And i'm able to make myself lot of software "for computer". So i hope that i will able to make some apps out for him |
| 00:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | so you're using linux on your "computer"? |
| 00:11.57 | Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, yes |
| 00:12.03 | Spydemon | Archlinux |
| 00:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | so you'll probably love N900 |
| 00:12.10 | Spydemon | if you know ^^ |
| 00:12.26 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: my guess: "windows 7 IdeaPad" |
| 00:12.28 | javispedro | aka the lenovo table |
| 00:12.32 | javispedro | *tablet |
| 00:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 00:13.17 | Spydemon | i hope the SDK is good x) |
| 00:13.25 | javispedro | what sdk |
| 00:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | maemo sdk |
| 00:13.50 | javispedro | they just point you to gcc! that should be enough! |
| 00:13.51 | Spydemon | yes maemo sdk for n900 |
| 00:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | maemo is pretty much a standard linux as far as it's about app development |
| 00:16.42 | DocScrutinizer | X, bash, gcc, all you're used to. Of course you need some crosscompiling setup which is usually scratchbox for maemo |
| 00:18.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | does scratchbox support custom paths for it's chroot environment? |
| 00:18.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | because it took to much space on my root partition, I tend to keep that small and throw all kind of stuff in /home and /opt wich are on different partitions |
| 00:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | the rest is about Qt and some special libs for special mobile phone things: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Alarm_Framework |
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| 00:19.28 | javispedro | /scratchbox can also be a mount point |
| 00:19.28 | Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, yes but it exist a library specific for the N900 for catching key press or, for use the vibrator for exemple, aren't ? |
| 00:19.53 | javispedro | no because key presses come the standard way, and no because the vibrator can't be used by apps =) |
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| 00:20.54 | Spydemon | with Maemo we can't use the phone's vibrator ?? |
| 00:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | catching keys is done like on every linux system, usually via X. Vibrator there's a process called mce that controlls it, you talk to mce via dbus to make vibrator start |
| 00:21.17 | Spydemon | okok :-) |
| 00:22.06 | jonwil | You can definatly use the vibrator, look in the mce-dev package to see the right dbus calls to make |
| 00:22.29 | javispedro | that's hardly use -- you're talking about patterns et all? |
| 00:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, you are free to directly access /sys/vib/brightness, but that will probably only work for short clicks as mce will shut it off again |
| 00:24.17 | jonwil | Check MCE_START_MANUAL_VIBRATION |
| 00:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | errr wut? |
| 00:24.31 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: exactly |
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| 00:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | undocumented feature via dbus or what? |
| 00:25.14 | javispedro | (this is one of the usecases I've added to the mce bug report.... Linux has a quite nice API for vibrators. The MCE one isn't) |
| 00:25.53 | jonwil | MCE_START_MANUAL_VIBRATION is documented in the mce-dev package |
| 00:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: what is it? |
| 00:26.27 | jonwil | read the mce-dev header to see what it is :) |
| 00:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 00:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | tell me the cmdline you used to verify it works on maemo5 |
| 00:27.46 | Spydemon | thank for your answers. I'll go to bed now. It's late in France :-P |
| 00:27.58 | Spydemon | bye all, i'll see you soon ;-) |
| 00:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 00:28.21 | Spydemon | thanks ;-) |
| 00:28.53 | jonwil | I havent tested it but its definatly present in the Maemo5 vibrator code |
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| 00:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | mmmpf |
| 00:30.17 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:255 int32:1500 |
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| 00:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "req_start_manual_vibration" with signature "ii" on interface "com.nokia.mce.request" doesn't exist |
| 00:31.17 | javispedro | there you have. |
| 00:31.34 | Sujith | hi guys |
| 00:31.45 | Sujith | i am having a settings doubt on N900,,, |
| 00:31.56 | Sujith | any one pls help me on it |
| 00:32.14 | Sujith | i need help on activating gprs settings |
| 00:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
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| 00:32.52 | Sujith | can anyone tell me how to find destinations option under connectivity menu |
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| 00:33.10 | Sujith | because i need to set up free mobile web from my mobile provider |
| 00:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 00:33.42 | Sujith | do u know about it doc? |
| 00:33.55 | Sujith | bcoz i am surfing thru the net for days to find it |
| 00:34.02 | Sujith | pls help me wit it |
| 00:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | I thought I know how to set up GPRS, but I don't understand your problem (yet?) |
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| 00:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | please report the steps you took |
| 00:34.53 | Sujith | Nokia n 900 go to Menu and then to the settings> Connectivity> Destinations> New AN type Pocket internet Account name: lycamobile Access Point Name: data.lycamobile.co.uk user name : lmuk password : plus Authentication type: normal proxy: no proxy address: proxy port: home page: www.lycamobile.com. |
| 00:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'll holler as soon as something isn't correct |
| 00:35.02 | javispedro | oh. |
| 00:35.11 | Sujith | thats the settings that i have to input on my mobile,, |
| 00:35.36 | Sujith | but i am struck after getting through settings and connectivity,,i could not find destinations,, |
| 00:35.45 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: vibrator thing works on mine :P (PR1.3?) |
| 00:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 00:36.12 | Sujith | can u understand me now, mr.doc |
| 00:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | Sujith: trying to duplicate your steps |
| 00:37.07 | javispedro | ponders if I could map the simpler effects on top of this dbus api |
| 00:37.10 | Sujith | ok sure,, |
| 00:37.33 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.41 | Sujith | try finding the destination option under your connectivity ,,, |
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| 00:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | settings, internetconections, (menu with "automatic" "interval 10min" "[x] connect WLAN if available" shows) -> click "connections" |
| 00:39.00 | javispedro | jonwil: but... why??? I do not think what it does is a secret, it's just missing someone with time to code it. |
| 00:39.17 | jonwil | Its doing more than just simple vibrator activation |
| 00:39.32 | javispedro | patterns, and ... ? |
| 00:39.45 | Sujith | ya,,,i just done what you have said,, |
| 00:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | Sujith: from the list of connections select the one with two arrows in a white circle |
| 00:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | if there's none, select "new" and GPRS |
| 00:40.15 | Sujith | yeah,,i did it ,,i selected the one you told |
| 00:40.34 | Sujith | do i have to edit it or press done ? |
| 00:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | select "edit" |
| 00:40.54 | Sujith | yeah,,done,,, |
| 00:40.58 | Sujith | next step ? |
| 00:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | Connection name: "jadhjahjökh " connection type: packet data shows |
| 00:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | chose a nice name for your GPRS connection |
| 00:41.35 | Sujith | yeah ,,done that too |
| 00:41.44 | Sujith | i think my name would be very nice |
| 00:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | click "continue" |
| 00:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | enter APN name, username, password, as you got told by your carrier/provider |
| 00:42.56 | Sujith | yeah,,,everything so far done as mentioned by my provider, |
| 00:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | quite frequently username and password are empty, or both are "internet" or sth like that |
| 00:43.09 | Sujith | do i have to go to advanced settings |
| 00:43.18 | Sujith | or just press finish |
| 00:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | usually not. should just work |
| 00:43.29 | Sujith | sure,,will give a try |
| 00:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | press finish and test it |
| 00:44.13 | Sujith | should i allow data roaming or not? |
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| 00:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | err, where's that choice? |
| 00:45.24 | Sujith | when i just selected the connection,,it is asking for '' allow data roaming '' yes or no |
| 00:45.41 | Sujith | i have to proceed this step to get connected,i think |
| 00:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | heh, so you're not in your SIM card's home network |
| 00:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | data roaming usually is A) expensive and/or B) doesn't work at all |
| 00:47.01 | Sujith | no no,,,i am in the limits of the provider,, |
| 00:48.07 | Sujith | yeah,,i did it,,, |
| 00:48.12 | Sujith | its connected,,, |
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| 00:48.53 | Sujith | thanks a lot for your help mr.doc,,, |
| 00:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | in settings - phone you can select network ( "auto", "manual") On "manual" you can forbid roaming, so data wouldn't roam either |
| 00:49.22 | Sujith | i am very glad that i got helped by this forum,,thanx a lot to this forum,, |
| 00:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 00:50.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | this is an IRC |
| 00:50.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | o_o |
| 00:50.28 | Sujith | can i install new themes to my mobile,, |
| 00:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:50.44 | Sujith | and my phone is quite slow,,, |
| 00:50.54 | Sujith | is there any way i can make it fast,, |
| 00:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | don't start too many apps at once |
| 00:51.13 | Sujith | slow in the sense,,,while closing applications, |
| 00:51.36 | Sujith | oh ,,,thats right,,i do start too many apps,,,i should avoid it,,thanx |
| 00:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | esp don't keep browser open |
| 00:52.13 | Sujith | one more thing is that,,i tried to install Sleep Analyser application |
| 00:52.29 | Sujith | i could just download it,,,but while installation,,it says some files missing |
| 00:52.37 | Sujith | and i couldnt continue installation |
| 00:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | it's a hoax, and I never tried it. So sorry can't help |
| 00:52.53 | Sujith | oh its ok ,,,no probs,, |
| 00:53.04 | Sujith | i just installed a theme,, |
| 00:53.11 | Sujith | and i dont know where it got installed |
| 00:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | settings - themes |
| 00:53.46 | Sujith | oh yeah,,i got it,,thanx again,, |
| 00:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 00:54.41 | Sujith | i am getting 10 mb free everyday,, |
| 00:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | should suffice for basics |
| 00:55.09 | Sujith | usually a web page is just 10 kb,,is that ri8 |
| 00:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 00:55.23 | Sujith | oh ok ok,, |
| 00:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | some are incredibly huge just for the shiny shit |
| 00:55.48 | Sujith | hehehe,,thats right too |
| 00:56.08 | Sujith | by the way,,are you a forum member,,,or just a guest like me,, |
| 00:56.20 | Sujith | because u seem to know almost everything,mr.doc |
| 00:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | you can check data volume used, in xterm: ifconfig |
| 00:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | we are al just guests here |
| 00:57.01 | Sujith | oh thats fantastic,, |
| 00:57.10 | Sujith | how to check the data i used,, |
| 00:57.26 | Sujith | if i type ifconfig in xterminal it says not found |
| 00:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | you got rootsh installed? |
| 00:57.40 | Sujith | no,,i dont think so,, |
| 00:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | install rootsh, in xterm type 'root' |
| 00:58.08 | Sujith | i have just installed many silly games,,can you tell me how to remove it,,, |
| 00:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | the ifconfig works -take care, you're root then |
| 00:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | same way you installed them |
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| 00:59.05 | Sujith | oh ok,,so application manager does that trick,,i am clear..thanks again |
| 00:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | start app manager, left of the 3 choices is "installed apps" |
| 00:59.24 | Sujith | but,,the root u guided me to install doesnt work |
| 00:59.30 | Sujith | it again say not found ,,, |
| 00:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | in appmanager install package "rootsh" |
| 01:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | then maybe reboot (dunno if that's needed) |
| 01:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | then in xterm type root |
| 01:00.54 | Sujith | i cant find rootsh in app.manager |
| 01:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | errrm |
| 01:01.04 | Sujith | i hav only few apps left to install |
| 01:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | you need extras catalog |
| 01:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | and you need an update if extras isn't enabled by default |
| 01:01.57 | Sujith | yeah,,i dont have extras.. |
| 01:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | what's your system version? (settings - about product) |
| 01:02.39 | Sujith | cool,,i ll search now and give you |
| 01:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | or productinfo |
| 01:03.08 | Sujith | Version : 10.2010 |
| 01:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | more please |
| 01:03.33 | Sujith | yeah |
| 01:03.42 | Sujith | 10.2010.19-1.003 |
| 01:03.50 | Sujith | thats the thing,,, |
| 01:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | that's PR1.2 |
| 01:03.59 | Sujith | oh |
| 01:04.03 | Sujith | what does that mean,, |
| 01:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | should be fine, dunno why your extras repo is disabled |
| 01:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | PR1.3 is recent version |
| 01:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'm on PR1.2 as well here |
| 01:04.41 | Sujith | can i update to the latest version |
| 01:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | you probably should do that |
| 01:05.03 | Sujith | how could i do that,,,mr.doc.. |
| 01:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | appmanager, updates, maemo-bla-bla system update |
| 01:05.57 | nox- | better do that on wifi tho i guess... :) |
| 01:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | you'll want to uninstall all that games crap prior to that, so it has enough free space |
| 01:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | yes, definitely not a good idea to run update over GPRS |
| 01:06.36 | Sujith | yeah,, |
| 01:06.40 | Sujith | its pretty slow,, |
| 01:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, for now you could just enable extras catalog, and install rootsh |
| 01:06.49 | Sujith | and as u said,,i hav a lot of crap games |
| 01:07.05 | Sujith | and i should remove those,, |
| 01:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | afk, bbl |
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| 02:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 02:50.39 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
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| 02:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | Shit |
| 02:52.13 | GeneralAntilles | I ordered a Nookcolor. |
| 02:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | That's wrong on several levels. |
| 02:52.35 | Pavlov_ | lol |
| 02:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | what's that? a colored tire? |
| 02:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: I hope not. |
| 02:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | Considering I just dumped $200 on it. |
| 02:53.40 | pupnik | that's not expensive |
| 02:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | meh, my car's tires were way more expensive |
| 02:53.58 | GeneralAntilles | Per tire? |
| 02:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 02:54.06 | GeneralAntilles | Nice car. |
| 02:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | What're you driving? |
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| 02:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | 285/45 |
| 02:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | >250km/h |
| 02:54.58 | pupnik | z |
| 02:55.01 | pupnik | ? |
| 02:55.15 | pupnik | ok that's expensive |
| 02:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | y I think |
| 02:55.39 | pupnik | when i was a kid 'h' was already high end :) |
| 02:56.10 | nox- | oh an android tablet... |
| 02:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, got rid of that car. A pity but I found no oilfield in my garden... :-/ |
| 02:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | in case you wonder: kinda like that one http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://mystify.umuumu.com/mystify_modeling/modelcar/BENZ/500sec-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mystify.umuumu.com/mystify_modeling/modelcar/BENZ/500sec.htm&usg=__4tPk63QGTbaynr9EBeTq48HTdgM=&h=375&w=500&sz=39&hl=de&start=6&zoom=1&tbnid=6m1W-AihuGUNUM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&ei=arJtTY2wMMPtOb3KoYQD&prev=/images?q=500sec&hl=de&gbv=1&tbs=isch:1&itbs=1 |
| 02:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG what an URL |
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| 03:03.54 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: ah, fun indeed. |
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| 03:07.53 | jonwil | bah, GERMAN? :P |
| 03:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | more like that one: http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2854/1081/32133040003_large.jpg |
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| 03:20.42 | pupnik | plus there's the taxes for the large engine |
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| 03:21.15 | psycho_oreos | its a bit of luxury for the price one has to pay to enjoy :p |
| 03:21.21 | psycho_oreos | i.e. creature comforts |
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| 03:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik: taxes? For a large engine? |
| 03:21.51 | pupnik | i wouldn't mind the cost of materials, it's the artificially high 'sin tax' that is placed on such devices |
| 03:21.56 | GeneralAntilles | What is this, California? :P |
| 03:21.59 | pupnik | germany |
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| 03:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | germany is on par with CA in that regard |
| 03:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | and regarding gasoline price we are probably top of the world :-/ |
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| 03:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: the engine is really nice though. Using an electric compressor you could boost it to almost 1000HP on throwing a switch :-D |
| 03:37.39 | pupnik | that would send me into a ditch quickly |
| 03:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 03:38.30 | pupnik | remember the e21 bmw 323i? that was a nice balance of weight and power |
| 03:38.40 | pupnik | after that they got too heavy for me |
| 03:38.48 | pupnik | anyway gnite |
| 03:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I just wondered if I'd also break that wire from tachometer to engine control with same switch. Otherwise it's limited to 250km/h |
| 03:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's too bad Mercedes has gotten all nasty. |
| 03:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 03:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | night pupnik |
| 03:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | anyway nowadays I'd want a tesla, if anything |
| 03:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | Gross |
| 03:40.42 | GeneralAntilles | Tesla's shit. |
| 03:40.45 | GeneralAntilles | Overweight junk. |
| 03:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 03:41.24 | GeneralAntilles | Those batteries really mess up the handling. |
| 03:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | oh, might be, yes |
| 03:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | shitty batteries. I really hope they come up with something better eventually |
| 03:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | like 10 times the power/kg |
| 03:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | energy to be precise |
| 03:43.15 | jonwil | my dream car http://img74.imageshack.us/i/vyssutefrir3.jpg/sr=1 |
| 03:43.33 | jonwil | Not that I have any plans to buy a car (that one or otherwise) or get a license anytime soon :P |
| 03:44.05 | jonwil | Why would I when there is a great public transport system in my city :P |
| 03:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | looks weird. Is that a pickup? |
| 03:44.20 | jonwil | its a UTE |
| 03:44.26 | jonwil | which is an Aussie invention |
| 03:44.30 | jonwil | thats a bit like a pickup truck |
| 03:44.40 | psycho_oreos | GM|Holden Commodore VY utility |
| 03:45.09 | jonwil | I specifically like the metalic green color |
| 03:45.14 | psycho_oreos | its the rough equivalent of what the states once had Chevrolet el caminos or Ford rancheros |
| 03:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | pachero :-P |
| 03:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | there's been fapmans before our fapman |
| 03:46.31 | jonwil | this http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=58045 btw is an example of the fine buses our city has : |
| 03:46.33 | jonwil | :) |
| 03:46.59 | psycho_oreos | powered by gas |
| 03:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | meh, you bought those in my town :-P |
| 03:47.55 | jonwil | the chassis for those buses comes from Mercedes Benz buses in germany |
| 03:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | ours are red, and have more gas on the roof |
| 03:48.03 | jonwil | the body is built locally by a local bodybuilder |
| 03:48.16 | jonwil | The bus in the pictures is diesel powered |
| 03:48.31 | jonwil | Although we have a bunch of similar looking CNG powered buses as well |
| 03:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | oh, so that's the air condition then? |
| 03:48.44 | jonwil | yes |
| 03:48.55 | psycho_oreos | busses like those here (Qld, AU fyi :p) runs on gas, older ones are diesel powered |
| 03:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
| 03:50.31 | jonwil | http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=57589 |
| 03:50.34 | jonwil | Thats the gas version |
| 03:51.41 | psycho_oreos | http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Mullet111/12-5-10/BrisbaneBus7-1.jpg <--- Brisbane, Qld, AU |
| 03:51.53 | psycho_oreos | again, CNG powered |
| 03:52.26 | jonwil | our next batch of buses (after the current order with Mercedes is fulfulled) is going to be a batch of Diesel powered Volvos |
| 03:54.01 | psycho_oreos | you only have one type of bus and its all Merc branded? |
| 03:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.nahverkehr-franken.de/bus/img/nuernberg/nbg_500.jpg |
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| 03:57.42 | jonwil | http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=58099 |
| 03:57.46 | jonwil | Thats some of our older buses |
| 03:57.59 | jonwil | Transperth has a history of buying buses from Mercedes Benz |
| 03:58.55 | GeneralAntilles | lol buses. |
| 03:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | Real men drive cars. |
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| 03:59.38 | psycho_oreos | I used to ride the bus alot till I got me own ute :p |
| 03:59.45 | psycho_oreos | well bus and trains |
| 04:00.28 | jonwil | Why would I need a car when I can get anywhere I want to go on the bus :P |
| 04:00.45 | jonwil | or train |
| 04:00.48 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, interesting, ours here is a mix of Mercedes-Benz, MAN, Volvo, Volgreen, Scania, etc |
| 04:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | Because buses take away your liberty as an individual. :) |
| 04:01.05 | psycho_oreos | it boils down to one thing, freedom and ultimate mobility |
| 04:01.11 | jonwil | ours are a mix of Mercedes Benz and Renault mostly |
| 04:01.24 | ZogG | mine bus is a potato |
| 04:01.48 | jonwil | we also have one IVECO bus, some MAN buses, and one Scania bus |
| 04:02.07 | jonwil | the IVECO and SCANIA and one of the MAN buses were bought as demonstrators to test new articulated bus deisgns |
| 04:02.10 | jonwil | designs |
| 04:03.41 | psycho_oreos | lol I have seen lots more other mixed brands. The ones I mentioned was just for Brisbane CBD itself, it has a few other towns which has their own logos, etc |
| 04:03.57 | jonwil | :) |
| 04:04.11 | jonwil | I have been to Brisbane and experienced Brisbane buses and trains |
| 04:04.18 | jonwil | including the ones on the gold coast |
| 04:04.20 | jonwil | and they are good |
| 04:04.40 | psycho_oreos | bleh they are ok for me |
| 04:05.13 | jonwil | the only criticism is that the fare structure is impossible to understand and that it was hard for me to provide the right information on my current location to the information line |
| 04:05.19 | jonwil | when I was trying to find out how to get somewhere |
| 04:05.28 | jonwil | Here in Perth, all the bus stops have unique numbers |
| 04:05.42 | jonwil | that the information operators can use to identify where you are |
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| 04:05.49 | jonwil | and give you guidance as to the right service to take |
| 04:06.54 | psycho_oreos | here its going by zones, the more zones you cover the more expensive it is (of course), each zone is a radius of x amount of km from the CBD. Then you have `Go' cards which makes the tickets a little cheaper as one just needs to swipe on and off rather than having plastic/paper based solution |
| 04:07.10 | jonwil | Its like that in Perth too |
| 04:07.15 | jonwil | we have zones and cards |
| 04:07.36 | jonwil | In Perth when you buy a ticket for one zone, you can go anywhere in that one zone for 2 hours |
| 04:07.46 | jonwil | on as many services as you like |
| 04:08.09 | jonwil | I think what confused me in Brisbane was the idea of inbound tickers and outbound tickets |
| 04:08.12 | jonwil | or whatever it was |
| 04:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: real men don't use cars either - real liberty as an individual looks like http://www.unicopter.com/1728_Backpack.gif |
| 04:09.19 | psycho_oreos | that could be for the old scheme. They go by zones these days unless you get on the great circle line which goes right around the city but not going into the city or out of the city. Those go by sectors |
| 04:10.03 | jonwil | yeah it was a few years ago I was using it |
| 04:11.56 | psycho_oreos | lol a personal helicopter will not only be costly but I'm sure the boys in the blue will keep their eye out on you if you use that regularly |
| 04:12.20 | psycho_oreos | plus driving is a lot more fun :p you want faster, you mash the pedal |
| 04:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | I bet that one is cheaper than my car was when bought new (not me) |
| 04:16.52 | psycho_oreos | one needs to also consider the use of such transport like that. Sure the novelty is indeed very nice however what does your potential employer think of you when you wonder around smelling like as if you were doing some lawn mowing? unless of course your job description perfectly matches the need to use machinery and to have BO smelling like petrol |
| 04:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | THAT'S for *real* men ;-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AXuy2-YoQY |
| 04:22.32 | psycho_oreos | easy way to burn money quickly too |
| 04:23.58 | psycho_oreos | real rich men fyi have chauffeurs to do all the driving, flying :P |
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| 04:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOW35gXhWic |
| 04:50.52 | LiraNuna_ | who was the one ho wanted to port Maemo5 into other phones? |
| 04:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 04:51.56 | ZogG | ha, i've been approved to be maintainer on maemo extras |
| 04:52.13 | ZogG | now i need to finish my widget =) |
| 04:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | I think there were several, but nobody who understands what it takes and still considered actually doing it |
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| 07:19.35 | _0x47 | Hi, anyone could tell me how exactly SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE works? I am trying to ignore the redirect of a custom libtool binary... I have the redirect logs enabled and got the full path of the binary from there, but it's still redirected... |
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| 07:22.48 | _0x47 | Anyone here? |
| 07:23.31 | pronto | nope :( |
| 07:23.44 | _0x47 | Lol |
| 07:23.55 | _0x47 | Too early I guess... |
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| 07:25.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | or too late |
| 07:26.07 | _0x47 | Not |
| 07:26.53 | _0x47 | ~rape DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 07:27.51 | _0x47 | K my battery is going down, g2g |
| 07:28.01 | _0x47 | Exit |
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| 08:45.44 | mece | MohammadAG, no wait.. |
| 08:45.57 | mece | MohammadAG, hm well. Interpreted |
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| 10:15.06 | MohammadAG | Having problems with callbacks :/ |
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| 10:15.51 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/eD0a4Luj |
| 10:16.39 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 10:17.26 | RST38h | Mohammad: get_items_cb never gets called? =) |
| 10:17.37 | MohammadAG | no, the binary segfaults :P |
| 10:17.50 | MohammadAG | MafwPlaylistAdapter::getItems |
| 10:17.50 | MohammadAG | Segmentation fault |
| 10:18.03 | RST38h | Ah...probably not the callback then |
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| 10:19.43 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html#mafw-playlist-get-items-md looks fine to me |
| 10:20.14 | RST38h | this->mafw_playlist may have incorrect data |
| 10:20.28 | RST38h | the rest of the arguments look kosher to me |
| 10:20.56 | MohammadAG | it was null :) |
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| 10:22.21 | RST38h | if it were null, the function would never get called, right? |
| 10:22.34 | MohammadAG | that's what should happen |
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| 10:37.47 | MohammadAG | alterego, ever used casts? |
| 10:39.42 | MohammadAG | emit static_cast<MafwPlaylistAdapter*>(user_data)->onGetItems(QString::fromUtf8(object_id), metadata, index) is causing a segfault for some reason :/ |
| 10:43.02 | Venemo | hey MohammadAG |
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| 10:43.19 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what do you want exactly? there are more than one casting operators in C++ |
| 10:45.11 | MohammadAG | I want to emit a signal from a callback |
| 10:45.37 | Venemo | emit mySignal() |
| 10:45.46 | Venemo | how does casting come into the picture |
| 10:46.01 | MohammadAG | /home/mohammad/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwplaylistadapter.cpp:105: error: cannot call member function 'void MafwPlaylistAdapter::onGetItems(QString, GHashTable*, guint)' without object |
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| 10:52.24 | Venemo | MohammadAG: pastebin the code |
| 10:52.29 | Venemo | MohammadAG: and tell me which line is it |
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| 10:53.38 | MohammadAG | Venemo, http://pastebin.com/UGQYu5S1 |
| 10:55.06 | Venemo | MohammadAG, is onGetItems declared as a signal in MafwPlaylistAdapter's header file? |
| 10:55.19 | ebzzry | What the. I rebooted only to find out the backupmenu screen is gone, but instead gets bootmenu screen? How come? |
| 10:55.37 | MohammadAG | Venemo, yes, but the callback is a static void |
| 10:55.39 | ebzzry | I reinstalled backupmenu but I still get the same screen? Why? |
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| 10:57.19 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I need to see more of the code |
| 10:57.39 | Venemo | MohammadAG: where is the callback in this paste? also, where do you set up the callback? |
| 10:58.03 | MohammadAG | it's in the paste, second function |
| 10:58.06 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/vBrLX5zz .h file |
| 10:58.18 | MohammadAG | get_items_cb |
| 10:58.20 | MohammadAG | cb = callback |
| 10:58.34 | Venemo | MohammadAG: well, get_items_cb is a static method |
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| 10:58.53 | Venemo | MohammadAG: you can only call the method of an instance if you actually have an instance |
| 10:59.31 | Venemo | MohammadAG: where is the place where you set up the callback? |
| 11:00.03 | Venemo | MohammadAG: is it line 5 in your first paste? |
| 11:01.14 | MohammadAG | yeah |
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| 11:03.09 | Venemo | MohammadAG: try this http://pastebin.com/kZU03g6p |
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| 11:04.04 | Venemo | MohammadAG: note that I passed the this pointer to mafw_playlist_get_items_md's "additional data" parameter |
| 11:04.20 | Venemo | MohammadAG: then I get that data from the user_data parameter of your callback |
| 11:05.34 | MohammadAG | Venemo, still segfaults |
| 11:05.49 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 11:08.31 | lcuk | X-Fade, ping |
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| 11:09.59 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: my laptop has frozen once again |
| 11:10.36 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: does it work? |
| 11:10.41 | SpeedEvil | Place it in a medium oven, till golden brown and unfrozen in the middle. |
| 11:10.59 | SpeedEvil | Stick a skewer through, and check it's not still frozen inside, and is piping hot. |
| 11:11.02 | Venemo_N900 | thanks SpeedEvil :) |
| 11:11.33 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: I knew I can count on you |
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| 11:13.38 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, yep :) |
| 11:13.43 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: if you have any better advice than the oven, please see http://superuser.com/questions/249840/how-can-i-stop-this-weird-crash-that-i-experience-on-my-laptop-randomly |
| 11:14.00 | Venemo | MohammadAG: great :) |
| 11:14.11 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: It's out of warranty? |
| 11:14.27 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: I took the machine to warranty repair, but the service was unable to reproduce the issue at all, thus they didn't fix it either |
| 11:14.36 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 11:15.11 | SpeedEvil | Can you ping it? |
| 11:15.25 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: when frozen? I never tried, but I doubt it |
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| 11:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: The sugestions I'd make would be along the lines od the others in the thread alas - replace motherboard, ... |
| 11:16.35 | SpeedEvil | In principle, given full schematics, and lots and lots of clue, you can diagnose it. |
| 11:16.42 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: I have no spare parts for the laptop, so I can't |
| 11:16.43 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 11:17.07 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: I think that would be the task of the repair centre (as they have the resources to do it), but they didn't |
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| 11:20.24 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: someone recommended me to just find two sympathic contact on the motherboard, give them a voltage of my liking, and when it's done, take it to repair saying "this time it not only crashed, but wouldn't start again" |
| 11:20.57 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I'm glad I could help :) |
| 11:21.13 | MohammadAG | Venemo, thanks :) |
| 11:21.24 | MohammadAG | Venemo, it seems it was because I was passing NULL instead of this as a pointer |
| 11:21.36 | Venemo | MohammadAG: exactly |
| 11:21.51 | Venemo | MohammadAG: as I told you :) |
| 11:22.21 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 11:22.41 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: If the repairer has sufficient clue, that can be found out. |
| 11:23.02 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: yeah, that's why I haven't done this |
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| 11:35.05 | lolcat | What bluetooth keyboards do you recommend for N900? |
| 11:35.15 | lcuk | X-Fade, regarding latest version of libliqbase, it dd not get imported into fremantle -devel although it ended up in diablo (so anyone with n810 can try :P) are there specific reasons for it not being imported? |
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| 11:36.36 | MohammadAG | muhaha |
| 11:36.43 | MohammadAG | MafwPlaylist implemented, sort of |
| 11:36.45 | Arkenoi | fennec beta does not play html5 video from youtube on n900? what is it good for, then? |
| 11:37.00 | Venemo | Arkenoi: nothing |
| 11:38.03 | kerio | Arkenoi: it's really good at being slow |
| 11:38.05 | kerio | if you're into that |
| 11:38.16 | Venemo | kerio ++ |
| 11:38.24 | kerio | afaiac, there's absolutely no reason for fennec's existance |
| 11:38.44 | lcuk | Arkenoi, I thought there was more to the internet than kitten videos on youtube |
| 11:38.52 | kerio | lcuk: there's also pr0n |
| 11:38.59 | kerio | and pr0n videos in flash don't work with fennec |
| 11:39.11 | kerio | so yeah, still no reason |
| 11:39.12 | Venemo | lol kerio |
| 11:39.17 | lcuk | dare I ask: are they using html5 video? |
| 11:39.39 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Woot |
| 11:40.26 | Venemo | MohammadAG: congrats |
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| 11:40.59 | Arkenoi | lcuk: and everything other is viewed better with either default browser or macuco. I thought fennec might be useful because flash video sucks and our flash plugin sucks even more. |
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| 11:59.46 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | anyone familiar with the startup scripts? I'm trying to get xkeybinds to run at startup but without success. based on a topic i saw on tmo, it should run once hildon-desktop has started. |
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| 12:03.22 | LjL | i don't suppose there's any hack to make telepathy keep a backlog of conversations by default, instead of erasing them as soon as you close the window? |
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| 12:06.18 | toggles | LjL: i think they are there, old conversations? |
| 12:07.06 | toggles | oh, no, thats the desktop.. though my history is there, sorry. |
| 12:07.22 | Mece | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], http://pastie.org/1624301 |
| 12:07.39 | Mece | something like that in /etc/event.d |
| 12:09.26 | Venemo | LjL: search on TMO |
| 12:10.02 | lardman | lcuk: your liqbook update fails on the libbase version |
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| 12:10.20 | lcuk | lardman, yes I know |
| 12:10.33 | lcuk | however the same source built happily and is also in diablo repository |
| 12:10.45 | lcuk | it however did not get imported into fremantle |
| 12:11.01 | lcuk | though the build came back OK |
| 12:11.07 | LjL | Venemo: sorry, TMO? |
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| 12:11.15 | Venemo | ~tmo |
| 12:11.15 | infobot | [tmo] http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo |
| 12:11.27 | lcuk | hence me asking, are there specific reasons for it not being passed and what are those reasons so I can modify and resubmit |
| 12:11.35 | LjL | ah |
| 12:11.51 | Venemo | LjL: there is also a "power search" function on tmo |
| 12:12.19 | lcuk | lardman, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2011-February/033164.html |
| 12:12.26 | lcuk | [extras-builds] [fremantle]: libliqbase 0.3.67 OK |
| 12:12.58 | lardman | you spoken to X-Fade ? |
| 12:13.06 | lcuk | he has been skiing |
| 12:13.10 | lardman | ah ok |
| 12:13.14 | lcuk | and returned, hence todays ping |
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| 12:13.29 | lardman | strange that it would build at all if it doesn't make it into extras-* |
| 12:13.52 | lcuk | lardman, it is available for my n810 |
| 12:13.58 | lcuk | giggles at that |
| 12:14.00 | javispedro | ah, another buildbot got hung |
| 12:14.17 | javispedro | :( |
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| 12:14.24 | lardman | lcuk: that doesn't explain how you built liqbook on the autobuilder for Fremantle though |
| 12:14.35 | lardman | or are your build and runtime deps different? |
| 12:14.56 | lcuk | lardman, the buildbot looks in the "pending move to fremantle" queue when looking for dependencies afaik |
| 12:15.18 | lcuk | it was a fix put in last year or so I think, to allow pushing uploads of a library and then the apps using it |
| 12:15.19 | lardman | where are those packages hosted, as they are downloaded in source form afaiu |
| 12:15.26 | lcuk | without having sync waiting problems |
| 12:15.35 | lardman | oh right, never realised that, I always wait 20min between pushes |
| 12:15.42 | lcuk | yes |
| 12:15.51 | lcuk | well that mucks up lots of people using dput |
| 12:16.09 | lcuk | who might setup a script - you *should* be able to put the projects in the right order |
| 12:16.21 | lcuk | and providing builds work ->>> lib, app,app,app,app etc |
| 12:16.23 | lcuk | would would |
| 12:16.30 | lcuk | if the apps are dependent upon lib |
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| 12:16.52 | lcuk | would work* |
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| 12:24.03 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | Mece: Thank you |
| 12:24.10 | Mece | :) |
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| 12:34.47 | Treibholz | is there a meego-image for the maemo-sdk? |
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| 12:37.09 | javispedro | omg vibrator in games |
| 12:37.38 | javispedro | VIBRA: SDL_HapticRunEffect VIBRA: Run effect level=32767 for length=99 ms VIBRA: Call MCE speed=170 duration=99 |
| 12:37.40 | javispedro | MWAHAHAHAHA |
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| 12:38.01 | Mece | javispedro, O.o |
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| 12:40.32 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html omg |
| 12:40.42 | javispedro | 503 |
| 12:40.59 | MohammadAG | did they pull the plug? |
| 12:41.11 | MohammadAG | I need the damn docs |
| 12:41.23 | pupnik | :/ |
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| 12:41.44 | Mece | MohammadAG, perhaps cached in google for example |
| 12:41.51 | pupnik | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LBlFPBnXmLkJ:maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html+MafwPlaylist&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com |
| 12:42.08 | andre__ | meh. bugs.maemo.org says "Error: Too many connections" |
| 12:42.20 | javispedro | the buildbot is also hung |
| 12:42.27 | andre__ | I can't work like this. |
| 12:42.35 | javispedro | and maemo.org doesn't work either! |
| 12:43.13 | MohammadAG | that means the repos are down |
| 12:43.30 | MohammadAG | I wonder if Nokia really pulled the plug |
| 12:43.34 | javispedro | nope |
| 12:43.45 | javispedro | (indexes might, though...) |
| 12:44.04 | jonwil | http://repository.maemo.org works fine for me btw |
| 12:44.44 | Mece | MohammadAG, have they threatened to? |
| 12:45.24 | MohammadAG | no |
| 12:46.13 | MohammadAG | maybe they opened up all of Maemo and the repo couldn't take it |
| 12:46.24 | MohammadAG | chuckles |
| 12:46.51 | Mece | MohammadAG, yes, that sounds likely |
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| 12:47.50 | javispedro | is happy, vibrator! |
| 12:48.11 | lcuk | javispedro, I remember some guy in maemo forums who could not switch his vibrator off |
| 12:48.12 | nidO | cue "thats what she said" |
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| 12:50.37 | pupnik | i wonder if n900s are banned in texas |
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| 12:51.25 | LjL-N810 | Yay rtcomm |
| 12:51.25 | pupnik | can I buy n900 system boards somewhere? |
| 12:51.31 | pupnik | no display, no case just boards |
| 12:51.44 | E0x | beagleboard are like n900 one |
| 12:52.10 | ruskie | just lacking the 3g stuff ;) |
| 12:52.22 | pupnik | yes i wanted the 3g and camera |
| 12:52.26 | pupnik | and small size |
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| 12:53.10 | RST38h | lcuk: So, has he got injured? |
| 12:53.44 | lcuk | RST38h, who? |
| 12:53.48 | lcuk | the vibrator guy? |
| 12:53.54 | jonwil | Looks like the maemo.org problem is a database issue |
| 12:54.00 | RST38h | yes |
| 12:54.01 | jonwil | as in their database server is down/faulty/whatever |
| 12:54.07 | MohammadAG | I don't get how to sort |
| 12:54.11 | MohammadAG | the playlist items |
| 12:54.52 | E0x | MohammadAG: http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.c.multimedia/api_refs/5.0/mafw-shared/ch09s03.html |
| 12:55.35 | MohammadAG | E0x, that's not the problem |
| 12:55.36 | MohammadAG | I have docs |
| 12:55.51 | E0x | ah ok |
| 12:56.10 | MohammadAG | the callback sends an integer |
| 12:56.16 | MohammadAG | that should be the position of the song |
| 12:56.19 | MohammadAG | but it isn't |
| 12:56.52 | E0x | i not the track number ? |
| 12:58.39 | lcuk | RST38h, no he did not, but his neighbours looked at him funny for a while :P |
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| 12:59.46 | MohammadAG | E0x, no, don't need the track number |
| 13:00.00 | MohammadAG | I mean, I need to sort the playlist as mafw playlist has it |
| 13:00.25 | E0x | i mean if that integer maybe is the track number instead of the position |
| 13:00.29 | E0x | index |
| 13:00.57 | E0x | because i think mediplayer sort it using the track number |
| 13:01.15 | MohammadAG | no, it doesn't |
| 13:01.30 | MohammadAG | music player -> songs -> all songs, click a song |
| 13:01.49 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 13:02.01 | MohammadAG | seems to be a widget problem rather than an API problem |
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| 13:05.21 | MohammadAG | you'd think ui->songPlaylist->insertItem(index, item) would work correctly, but doesn't |
| 13:05.22 | MohammadAG | damn Qt |
| 13:05.30 | LjL | the screenshots at http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ ... they look like more than the standard 3 icons can fit in the task switcher. is it just a matter of the theme used, or what? |
| 13:05.33 | toadpole | ( MohammadAG ): thanks for all your work on maemo apps, it's much appreciated :) |
| 13:05.46 | MohammadAG | toadpole, you're welcome :) |
| 13:06.13 | lcuk | LjL, the screenshots are from diablo, ie maemo4 ie N800 and N810 |
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| 13:06.23 | LjL | lcuk: i know, that's what i have ;) |
| 13:06.29 | lcuk | :D |
| 13:06.32 | javispedro | they're actually pre-diablo |
| 13:06.34 | LjL | lcuk: but on mine, the icons are bigger, and 3 fit |
| 13:06.46 | lcuk | LjL, save a screenshot and show us |
| 13:06.48 | javispedro | on diablo the icons were enlarged to make them "finger friendly" |
| 13:06.50 | LjL | they're the same size as the web/people/apps icon |
| 13:06.58 | LjL | javispedro: oh |
| 13:07.09 | LjL | javispedro: not very multitasking-friendly though :P |
| 13:07.22 | javispedro | we all know that :D |
| 13:07.48 | LjL | it wouldn't be so bad if they were actually dynamic, i.e. changed depending on what the last 3 tasks i've used were |
| 13:07.57 | LjL | but instead, they're always the same three - the tasks i started *first* |
| 13:10.22 | MohammadAG | guess I'll have to use a dirty trick |
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| 13:30.41 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, hey |
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| 13:36.44 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 13:37.23 | ZogG_laptop | so if i use madde and i have library from dependies on device, do i ned it on qt sdk dir of maemo? and if i do how do i install it |
| 13:38.41 | markinfo | How to work with miniSDCard? It should be automatically recognised in File manager just after it is inserted in the slot? |
| 13:38.50 | markinfo | in nokia n900. |
| 13:39.19 | SpeedEvil | You cannot insert a miniSD |
| 13:39.22 | SpeedEvil | It will not fit. |
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| 13:40.24 | markinfo | well it is mikro SD - it fits |
| 13:40.25 | Treibholz | markinfo: I guess you are talking about a MicroSD |
| 13:40.41 | Treibholz | you need to close the cover. |
| 13:40.49 | ZogG_laptop | ok u just insert and it's there |
| 13:41.07 | ZogG_laptop | marciom, use filemanager e.g. filebox is nice |
| 13:41.42 | ZogG_laptop | so any dev here? |
| 13:41.47 | ZogG_laptop | lardman, ping |
| 13:41.58 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, =) |
| 13:42.34 | lardman | ZogG_laptop: pong |
| 13:42.45 | markinfo | Well - it needs to put plastic Cover to put back on. |
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| 13:43.11 | ZogG_laptop | lardman, did u ever use madde? |
| 13:43.29 | lcuk | lardman is madde |
| 13:43.40 | Treibholz | what is the correct way to install python-modules from pipy? I miss pypi-install |
| 13:43.47 | ZogG_laptop | marciom, yes plastic cover mount and umount so u wouldn't take it off in the middle of some operation |
| 13:43.51 | lardman | ZogG_laptop: nope |
| 13:43.55 | ZogG_laptop | damn |
| 13:43.59 | ZogG_laptop | lcuk, you? |
| 13:44.23 | lcuk | ZogG_laptop, not to a degree where I could dig inside it |
| 13:44.37 | lcuk | but Venemo has dug quite deeply afaik |
| 13:45.04 | ZogG_laptop | anyone here? i have some dependies for my "app" and i have them on desktop and n900 but not in maemo dir of qt sdk |
| 13:45.27 | lardman | what are the deps out of interest? |
| 13:45.29 | ZogG_laptop | pupnik, btw did u change anysetting before u run xmms2? |
| 13:45.40 | ZogG_laptop | lardman, xmms2 client lib |
| 13:45.51 | lardman | oh, no clue about that anyway, sorry |
| 13:46.01 | markinfo | There is optical sensor that check if the back cover is on nokia n900 back? this small point beside of camera? |
| 13:46.18 | lardman | markinfo: thought it was magnetic |
| 13:50.00 | markinfo | i have found it -there is small piece of magnet that also hold the stand leg of the cover. |
| 13:50.05 | ZogG_laptop | no venemo and no MohammadAG =( |
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| 13:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | markinfo: yep. optical is for cam slide |
| 13:59.49 | pupnik | that magnet can fall off pretty easily |
| 14:00.26 | lardman | nice to see some bugs getting a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment |
| 14:00.38 | lardman | wonders how far off it is... :) |
| 14:02.21 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Maybe they're going to a new naming scheme. And the n950 is actually named after teh processor. |
| 14:02.24 | RST38h | lardman: leak! leak! leak! :) |
| 14:02.29 | SpeedEvil | http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-N950-Notebook-Processor.37490.0.html |
| 14:04.11 | ZogG_laptop | pupnik, when u used xmms2 did u changed config or something? |
| 14:04.26 | ZogG_laptop | it starts but i get error on playback |
| 14:04.26 | lardman | RST38h: :) |
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| 14:05.10 | jonwil | I doubt any of the bugs I actually care about will be fixed anytime soon :( |
| 14:06.33 | pupnik | ZogG_laptop: don't remember |
| 14:07.06 | ZogG_laptop | =( |
| 14:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: I got nightmares of the day harmattan rolls out |
| 14:07.56 | lardman | new hw! :) |
| 14:08.44 | RST38h | Doc: Everyone will hate it. |
| 14:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: I'd feel much better if I knew for sure this thing got no meego label on it |
| 14:08.54 | andre__ | jonwil, which bugs do you care about? :-P |
| 14:08.58 | RST38h | Doc: Some will stock on devices, knowing it is the last one |
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| 14:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'm talking of a m6-meego-harmattan-HE to kill m5 on N900 |
| 14:10.11 | jonwil | bug 8347 for one thing |
| 14:10.13 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 14:10.20 | RST38h | Ah probably wont' happen =( |
| 14:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | I hope so |
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| 14:10.54 | markus_ | hy everybody |
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| 14:15.44 | RST38h | wonders if there will be a "WHERE ARE THE ARROW KEYS?" thread when N950 surfaces |
| 14:15.56 | lardman | lol |
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| 14:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: otoh what's the sense of a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment - as lardman put it - when that harmattan is known to be the mock-meego, include 2791 new bugs and regressions, a new GUI that's BLAARGH and you say it won't come for N900 (what I really really hope it won't actually) |
| 14:18.45 | lardman | well there are some things we can't change, so I'm not too worried about the presumable ui changes and extra bugs, as long as some of the old ones are fixed and preferably we are able to fix any new ones ourselves |
| 14:18.55 | jonwil | if Cell Broadcast SMS ever works on the N900, I will be HIGHLY surprised |
| 14:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | that'd be like "winXP bug 737617: fixed in win7" |
| 14:19.16 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/737617 was not found. |
| 14:20.30 | RST38h | Doc: Can I say somethign really bad, cynical, and negative? |
| 14:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: exactly what I have been afraid of. meego-HE-m6-bastard is the final shot in the forehead for maemo |
| 14:21.15 | lardman | I have no idea, you might be pleasantly surprised, you never know ;) |
| 14:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | BS, I'm scared |
| 14:21.56 | lardman | can't really be worse than no new releases |
| 14:22.00 | RST38h | Doc: Ultimately, nobody *cares* what base flavor of Linux N950 is based on. |
| 14:22.05 | jonwil | the 3 questions I have here are |
| 14:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | and we already learnt from our occasional harmattan tester here what quirks are in harmattan/meego, and looking at meego handset UX GUI I feel like puking |
| 14:22.35 | RST38h | Doc: So, if Nokia marketing people would like to call it a "Meego", it is ok, but the thing is just Maemo to me |
| 14:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: it IS worse |
| 14:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'm fsckng not talking about N950 |
| 14:23.25 | RST38h | Doc: So, no, Harmattan being "fake" Meego is ok to me, as long as the device as a whole is usable and feature cp,[lete |
| 14:23.42 | RST38h | Doc: As to proper Meego, let us wait until 1.2, will we? |
| 14:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about m6 rollout for N900 going to kill m5 |
| 14:24.01 | lardman | I've got to agree with RST38h here, plus I try to be optimistic |
| 14:24.05 | jonwil | 1.Will this mythical harmattan be missing features that are present in Frematnle |
| 14:24.07 | jonwil | 2.Will this mythical harmattan contain open source bits instead of closed source bits and if so, is that a good or bad thing |
| 14:24.08 | RST38h | And see how it comes out. Based on what I see in release reports, there will be a lot of changes from 1.1 |
| 14:24.09 | jonwil | and 3.Will this mythical harmattan contain closed source pieces that contain new bugs vs Fremantle (i.e. things we cant fix that are regressions vs what we have now) |
| 14:24.15 | markus_ | I build my package for maemo with the qt developer. Now noki atells me I have to move some files to /opt. How do I build the package by hand? |
| 14:24.23 | lardman | docscrutinizer: can't see it getting a harmattan update myself |
| 14:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I give a shit about meego and N950 |
| 14:24.39 | lardman | ^don't |
| 14:24.41 | jonwil | I only care about what runs on my N900 |
| 14:24.42 | lolcat | jonwil: Can you get easy debian in meego? |
| 14:24.53 | pupnik | good question markus_ |
| 14:25.12 | jonwil | I intend to run whatever nokia-updater tells me is the latest |
| 14:25.23 | pupnik | anybody else in .de interested in getting spare speakers? i'll be placing my order today |
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| 14:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-03-02 15:00:26] <lardman> nice to see some bugs getting a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment |
| 14:25.50 | lardman | yeah, but I'm not talking about hw specific, but rather platform sw |
| 14:25.56 | lardman | perhaps I should have said that |
| 14:26.05 | lardman | though yeah I see where you're coming from |
| 14:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is that worth when we don't see m6 on N900? And again, I HOPE(!!!!) and pray we won't see any m6-HE on N900 as it will kill off m5 |
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| 14:27.03 | Treibholz | http://pastebin.com/ZkjgffcN |
| 14:27.16 | Treibholz | grr, python-setuptools is installed. |
| 14:27.21 | jonwil | What I care about is not losing features vs Fremantle, not ending up with an unusable GUI just after I got the hang of the Fremantle UI/UX and seeing the issues I care about fixed |
| 14:27.44 | jonwil | and to be able to add the features I want to my N900 |
| 14:27.48 | RST38h | Doc: You are so afraid of Maemo6 as if it were the Tentacled One Himself |
| 14:28.26 | lcuk | jonwil, how long have you cared for n900? |
| 14:28.27 | Treibholz | .oOO( Tentacles with arms are extremely dangerous! ) |
| 14:28.32 | RST38h | Doc: And if I understood you correctly, you cite current Meego bugs as evidence, although Maemo6 has nothign to do with Meego |
| 14:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | the only bugs against m5 that can get a semi-valid "fixed in m6" tag are the FOSS-requests |
| 14:29.05 | jonwil | I dont see most of those FOSS requests happening :( |
| 14:29.31 | jonwil | Some nokia guy will just say "use ofono" even though ofono will never be a valid option on the N900 with Fremantle |
| 14:29.35 | Treibholz | what is the correct way to build maemo-debs from debian-sources? |
| 14:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: yu're kinda depressing |
| 14:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | jaffa sent them to quim some 2 days ago |
| 14:30.08 | jonwil | hmmm yeah |
| 14:30.15 | jonwil | there is a bit of positive news there :) |
| 14:30.46 | jonwil | IMO if we had the details of the dbus interface exposed by the CSD daemon and its plugins, there is no reason we couldnt replace CSD and friends with a modified ofono |
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| 14:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | sure, except mere amount of work this would be |
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| 14:31.51 | E0x | DocScrutinizer:i don't see the point of get stuck in m5 if any of the may part is not getting open source because almost all important bugs are in these part |
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| 14:31.54 | jonwil | yeah true |
| 14:31.55 | javispedro | hugs n810 for no reason |
| 14:32.06 | Jaffa | jonwil: DocScrutinizer: Even if stuff doesn't get opened, perhaps for some of the lower level stuff (like that) we could have a channel to talk to engineers about the interfaces/APIs at least. |
| 14:32.18 | lcuk | javispedro, but the n810 has even more closed packages *shock* |
| 14:32.30 | jonwil | yeah I think we should come up with a "plan B" for some of those requests |
| 14:32.32 | RST38h | javispedro: Reminds you of PalmPilot somehow, now, that they are both dead? =) |
| 14:32.42 | javispedro | hugs PalmPilot |
| 14:32.45 | jonwil | i.e. "if you wont release code, how about these dev packages" |
| 14:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: sounds reasonable and in line with my suggestion (you know which) |
| 14:32.55 | javispedro | hm.. where is the pilot? |
| 14:33.13 | RST38h | fell apart into dust? |
| 14:33.23 | RST38h | sheds a tear |
| 14:33.45 | javispedro | no ,it just wants UNDER a pile of dust. |
| 14:33.50 | javispedro | s/wants/was/ |
| 14:33.51 | lcuk | javispedro, in a box in the loft with Andys ^W Javiss' toys |
| 14:34.16 | visz | ack |
| 14:34.30 | visz | nokia might actually be sending the free E7's |
| 14:34.43 | visz | 'joy' |
| 14:35.01 | javispedro | joy from a symbian device? |
| 14:35.02 | visz | my boss just got one and he does not seem impressed |
| 14:35.29 | RST38h | wonders if any Zoomer PDAs are still around |
| 14:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* |
| 14:35.44 | javispedro | recently some guy asked me "is symbian easily jailbreakable"? The only answer I could think of was "I think symbian predates jailbreaking". |
| 14:35.46 | Jaffa | visz: Free is free. |
| 14:35.52 | jonwil | Jaffa: Is it worth adding this "plan B" idea to the bug reports on bugs.maemo.org? |
| 14:35.53 | visz | indeed |
| 14:36.07 | Jaffa | javispedro: Symbian has no need for jailbreaking *cough* |
| 14:36.24 | visz | i guess i can use it the e7 to replace my almost broken 6110 navigator |
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| 14:36.27 | RST38h | javispedro: actually, no, it has to be jailbroken |
| 14:36.35 | visz | atleast the e7 has turn by turn directions |
| 14:36.37 | Jaffa | jonwil: If we start getting responses on the bug reports rather than a direct one back from Quim, yeah. Until then, it'd probably just confuse peopel |
| 14:36.43 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:36.46 | jonwil | makes sense |
| 14:36.51 | RST38h | will use that E7 for the last wave of updates to his Symbian apps |
| 14:36.57 | visz | and hopefully, unlike my 6110, working volume button ,) |
| 14:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | well, I heard symbian phones got used in a number of jailbreaks here :-P |
| 14:37.18 | RST38h | As an action of defiances, if you wish, or to milk the remaining Symbian user base, if you are cynical =) |
| 14:37.19 | jonwil | Just having libisi-dev would really help me out with some of my work :) |
| 14:37.33 | lardman | having a secretary would help me |
| 14:37.49 | jonwil | although I am afraid that libisi (code or -dev package) may be one of the things Nokia are worried about releasing |
| 14:37.54 | javispedro | having that time stopping wristwatch would help me... |
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| 14:38.46 | lcuk | javispedro, can I get that app from Ovi Store? |
| 14:39.23 | javispedro | I think not... |
| 14:39.53 | javispedro | Though you can get plenty of timewasting applications... |
| 14:40.03 | lcuk | yea |
| 14:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I also would strongly recommend not to edit this wikipage for now, as that might confuse hell out of people at Nokia referring to it |
| 14:40.30 | jonwil | I wasnt intending to edit it |
| 14:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | just saying |
| 14:40.57 | jonwil | ok |
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| 14:51.58 | jonwil | Anything that gets more of Fremantle open is a good thing. |
| 14:52.16 | jonwil | And I definatly think that asking for dbus interfaces and APIs is a good "plan B" |
| 14:52.43 | Jaffa | nods. |
| 14:52.53 | Jaffa | looks forward to cool jonwil stuff in the CSSU ;-) |
| 14:52.55 | jonwil | e.g. if we knew all the external things exposed to the upper levels by the ICD daemon, it wouldn't be that hard to replace ICD with whatever maemo uses |
| 14:53.23 | tybollt | jonwil: I'm telling you for the hundredth time, planb.com was a hoax. ;-) |
| 14:53.36 | jonwil | :P |
| 14:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: (Symbian has no need for jailbreaking) actually I seem to recall my friend told me he has to sign each symbian app otherwise it won't run. OK the signature got hacked so no showstopper, but it's a little bit like jailbreaking, no? |
| 14:53.55 | tybollt | anyone know who was behind the planb.com hoax though= |
| 14:53.55 | tybollt | ? |
| 14:54.19 | tybollt | looks suspiciously at GAN900 ;) |
| 14:54.34 | lardman | lol |
| 14:55.07 | jonwil | I mean replace ICD weith whatever MeeGo uses |
| 14:55.34 | jonwil | netmanager or whatever it is |
| 14:55.48 | javispedro | connman |
| 14:55.52 | javispedro | (stupidly) |
| 14:55.53 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:56.14 | jonwil | I suspect that 99% of what ICD exposes to the upper layers is only relavent to the connectivity status bar widgets and stuff |
| 14:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | conman, another reinvention of the wheel |
| 14:56.32 | jonwil | which could be redone if we replaced ICD |
| 14:56.48 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: I honestly have no understanding of how connman benefits anyone over NM >= 0.7 :/ |
| 14:57.00 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: other than ofono integration, which could've been done in NM |
| 14:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: ack |
| 14:57.26 | jonwil | Its another case of Nokia replacing closed-and-proprietary with open-and-proprietary |
| 14:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | NIH cookie |
| 14:57.35 | jonwil | i.e. things Nokia can have a big say in the development of |
| 14:57.49 | javispedro | Intel in this case. |
| 14:57.50 | lardman | conman is incomplete too so I read |
| 14:57.53 | javispedro | a match made in heaven... |
| 14:58.52 | jonwil | well we dont have to replace ICD with conman, if we knew the interfaces that mattered, we could replace it with netman |
| 14:59.20 | jonwil | and make netman talk to the CSD GPRS plugin |
| 14:59.38 | RST38h | jonwil: Man, contantly mentioning the need to know interfaces in this channel has not been known to give one the knowledged of those interfaces |
| 14:59.46 | jonwil | true :P |
| 14:59.51 | luke-jr | NM sucks too |
| 15:00.11 | RST38h | So, address your request to the right destination (i.e. Quim et al) |
| 15:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: + |
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| 15:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: one more reason not to replace it by anything else that sucks same way |
| 15:01.55 | javispedro | the bad you know... |
| 15:02.00 | javispedro | s/bad/devil :P |
| 15:02.32 | javispedro | though tbh I'm quite wary of this entire nih stuff around connman/ofono |
| 15:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | if NM wouldn't suck, I could understand Intel claiming "It doesn't suck as much as we want it, so let's invent connman to meet that design goal" - but even that is moot :-P |
| 15:02.55 | jonwil | ok, so where do I put requests for information/code/headers/dev packages so that the right people will see it and be able to act on it? |
| 15:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: THIS IS INPROGRESS |
| 15:03.23 | jonwil | ok |
| 15:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | constant nagging won't help the issue |
| 15:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | au contraire |
| 15:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | not that I knew for sure about that part - maybe it would help if done right - just I never seen any instance where it did |
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| 15:26.00 | markinfo | how to use Nokia n900 as Voice recorder? I have found only application "Recorder" - is there something else? |
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| 15:26.54 | markinfo | Can nokia take voice with higher sample frequency as 22kHz? |
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| 15:29.19 | markinfo | because audio in Video stream from Camera is taken with 48kHz |
| 15:30.07 | andre__ | why do you need something else than "recorder"? |
| 15:32.06 | markinfo | it seems to be quality of audio worse than in videostream |
| 15:32.23 | markinfo | there are no settings in "Recorder" |
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| 15:36.38 | pupnik | see "parec" markinfo |
| 15:37.03 | lardman | just diy the gst pipeline |
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| 15:37.17 | pupnik | or that |
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| 15:39.26 | ZogG_laptop | so anyone have any idea how do i install extra package i want to use for dependies for my app to Qt SDK? |
| 15:40.09 | lcuk | ZogG_laptop, how are you planning on publishing this app down the line? |
| 15:40.37 | ZogG_laptop | lcuk, to extras |
| 15:40.45 | lardman | ZogG_laptop: I'd be interested to hear the answer to that question too |
| 15:41.07 | lcuk | afaik in the project file (or configurator for it) you can add dependencies |
| 15:41.53 | Treibholz | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/deb/python-dateutil-1.4.1] > file /usr/share/pyshared/setuptools/cli.exe |
| 15:41.56 | Treibholz | /usr/share/pyshared/setuptools/cli.exe: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 console executable not relocatable |
| 15:42.00 | Treibholz | ARRGGGHHHH!!!! |
| 15:42.07 | ZogG_laptop | lcuk, i tried on first when i did desktop app. it was build fine for desctop but not for maemo |
| 15:42.29 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_, probably knows |
| 15:42.49 | lcuk | ZogG_laptop, perhaps it considers that dependencies are already installed whilst running from ide->device ? |
| 15:43.06 | ZogG_laptop | on device it is installed |
| 15:43.11 | ZogG_laptop | on computer as well |
| 15:43.31 | ZogG_laptop | the question is if it builds in SDK it probably uses SDK rootsys |
| 15:43.38 | Treibholz | why are there windows-files installed? |
| 15:44.05 | lcuk | ZogG_laptop, check the package .deb itself and see what dpkg says are its dependencies etc |
| 15:44.11 | lcuk | autobuilder will follow those |
| 15:45.20 | ZogG_laptop | lcuk, u don't get, i'm truing to build my own package and it does depends on existing package |
| 15:46.03 | lcuk | ZogG_laptop, do you have an actual .deb built somewhere from the middle of the qt sdk? |
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| 15:48.40 | ZogG_laptop | lcuk, nope i can't build deb until i resolve dependies issues =( |
| 15:48.47 | Treibholz | maybe Nokia is already sabotaging the Maemo-SDK... |
| 15:48.58 | ZogG_laptop | but i do have deb of the package my app depends on |
| 15:51.25 | lcuk | ZogG_laptop, http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-42337.html |
| 15:52.03 | ZogG_laptop | lcuk, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768020&postcount=12 |
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| 15:56.05 | ZogG_laptop | lcuk, now the problem that it ask for pass and mad dev pass is not working |
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| 16:00.16 | divan0 | Is gtk-update-icon-cache supposed to be empty or it's just me? Nokia-N900:~# cat /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache |
| 16:00.16 | divan0 | #!/bin/sh -e |
| 16:00.16 | divan0 | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 16:00.42 | pupnik | i LOVE n900 |
| 16:00.55 | pupnik | can stream my security camera using just mplayer |
| 16:00.59 | _berto_ | divan0: it is empty, the icon cache is disabled |
| 16:01.14 | pupnik | so much faster than in browser |
| 16:01.27 | divan0 | _berto_, why it's disabled? |
| 16:01.38 | _berto_ | divan0: to save disk space |
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| 16:03.27 | ZogG_laptop | pupnik, do u have security ca? |
| 16:03.30 | ZogG_laptop | cam/ |
| 16:03.33 | E0x | talking about stream , with gstream i can screen the video of the camare right ? |
| 16:04.47 | E0x | i mean , over the network |
| 16:05.54 | divan0 | _berto_, can I tell hildon to reload icons somehow? Simple case - I've my .desktop file and now icon isn't displayed. |
| 16:06.27 | ZogG_laptop | /usr/lib symlinks to? |
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| 16:07.33 | cfreak200 | heya, someone send me an mms to my n900 and i didnt have fMMS installed until now, i've got no SMS saying that i've a new mms. Is there a way to ensure it's not my devices fault by forcing fMMS to check for new MMS's ? |
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| 16:08.08 | _berto_ | divan0: if it does not work automatically, try with "touch /usr/share/themes" or /usr/share/themes/something |
| 16:08.13 | _berto_ | I don't remember now |
| 16:08.52 | _berto_ | but I think reloading icons was based on the timestamp of the themes dir |
| 16:09.07 | _berto_ | in fact gtk-update-icon-cache should do that |
| 16:10.34 | divan0 | _berto_, thanks for the replies. I'm reading comments for this bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931). Pretty odd. |
| 16:10.35 | povbot | Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one |
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| 16:11.16 | _berto_ | divan0: ah, yeah, I explain it all there :) |
| 16:12.00 | _berto_ | divan0: but I think that patch didn't get accepted |
| 16:12.23 | divan0 | _berto_, for sure it didn't ( |
| 16:12.57 | _berto_ | divan0: if you touch the hicolor dir on postinst I think it should fix your problem |
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| 16:13.30 | lcuk | hi _berto_ divan0 \o |
| 16:14.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, playlists working, at least for listing and selection |
| 16:14.00 | MohammadAG | still need to work on sorting them right, they're random atm |
| 16:14.04 | lcuk | _berto_, another thing I think we looked at in the past is also the order the .desktop file and .png icon itself get installed |
| 16:14.05 | _berto_ | hi lcuk |
| 16:14.07 | divan0 | _berto_, actually my problem is more specific - I create .desktop files and icons in .local directory. And icons do not appear even after reboot. And I double checked syntax and permissions, the icons do not appear. |
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| 16:14.17 | divan0 | hi lcuk |
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| 16:14.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: nice |
| 16:14.55 | _berto_ | i have to leave, guys, sorry |
| 16:14.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorting and search shouldn't be hard |
| 16:15.07 | lcuk | _berto_, until next time \o |
| 16:15.59 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, problem is, QListWidget can't insert at row 500 if there are 0 items |
| 16:16.13 | MohammadAG | so I either have to override that, or get mafw to send sorted items |
| 16:16.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | umm, yeah |
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| 16:20.39 | MohammadAG | 8MBs of RAM, not bad |
| 16:21.17 | MohammadAG | considering it currently has both songs, videos, internet stations with their respective art shown |
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| 16:25.31 | ZogG_laptop | i feel like the world is against me |
| 16:25.34 | ZogG_laptop | i feel like the world is against me |
| 16:25.59 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, did u managed to add dependies from extras to Qt SDK for madde? |
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| 16:26.53 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, yes, libqgconf |
| 16:27.00 | ZogG_laptop | and anyone knows how to add repo to scratchbox with https as it gives error while trying to update |
| 16:27.10 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG how do you do it? |
| 16:27.12 | MohammadAG | i just unpack the deb in the sysroot |
| 16:30.21 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, i did the same didn't work |
| 16:30.29 | ZogG_laptop | now just did it with non-opt packages |
| 16:30.31 | ZogG_laptop | thanx |
| 16:30.33 | ZogG_laptop | it worked |
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| 16:31.48 | ZogG_laptop | pupnik_, do you still have xmms2? |
| 16:32.30 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Seen the patch on bug 6931 to fix Gtk+? I was going to ask _berto_ about any performance impact, but he's gone |
| 16:32.31 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6931 After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one |
| 16:32.57 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, ping |
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| 16:33.14 | ruskie | klanging me isn't as effective as actually putting up a question ;) |
| 16:34.52 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, can u test some app for m |
| 16:35.02 | ruskie | sure |
| 16:35.22 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, how do i add it in config as dependies for install |
| 16:35.43 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, btw xmms2 play just gives me error can't play with no description |
| 16:36.02 | ruskie | ? |
| 16:36.56 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, i don't know why myself, do i need to config anything like audio or something? |
| 16:37.06 | pupnik_ | ZogG_laptop: sorry not atm |
| 16:37.26 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, ahh you probably need the pulseaudio plugin and set is as default... |
| 16:37.33 | ruskie | though I thought I set that up... |
| 16:37.34 | ruskie | hmm |
| 16:37.48 | ruskie | maybe I should actually try to make this better... |
| 16:38.11 | ZogG_laptop | xmms2-pulseaudio or how does it calls? |
| 16:38.13 | ZogG_laptop | cal* |
| 16:38.34 | ruskie | xmms2-plugin-pulse |
| 16:38.46 | ruskie | and need to set it as default output |
| 16:39.27 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2336306/fresh_0.0.1_armel.deb |
| 16:40.59 | ruskie | works... |
| 16:41.09 | ruskie | no display of the metadata yet |
| 16:41.14 | ruskie | but the controls do work |
| 16:41.41 | markinfo | I have just instaled program http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mydicto/ made some records, but I can not find where this records are saved. |
| 16:42.20 | markinfo | i have founded it. |
| 16:42.41 | niala1 | i m a new n900. since 45seconds... |
| 16:43.07 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, hmm i can't manage xmms2 to work itself |
| 16:43.31 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, for metadata i need MohammadAG to help me, but he hates me =) |
| 16:43.34 | ruskie | hmm though the app seems to have sent my xmms2d into some cpu spins... |
| 16:44.04 | ruskie | does xmms2 launch? i.e. there's an xmms2d process in the list? |
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| 16:45.01 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, app doesn't start it |
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| 16:45.20 | ruskie | erm... ow... you're trying to autolaunch it... |
| 16:45.24 | ruskie | I had it running already |
| 16:45.43 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, i'll play with code after if i'm not sure if i need to sent commands and wait for reply or just sent and doesn't matter if it works or not |
| 16:45.54 | ruskie | also check: ~/.config/xmms2/xmms2.conf |
| 16:46.09 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie there is pulse as default |
| 16:46.11 | markinfo | can be regulated the sensitivity of mikrofon? I have tested 2 voice recording application an it makes uite silent records. |
| 16:46.14 | ruskie | <property name="plugin">pulse</property> |
| 16:46.20 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, how do i add all mlib to current playlist? |
| 16:46.33 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, hmm I always just xmms2 radd dir_of_music |
| 16:46.36 | ruskie | and that adds it in |
| 16:46.37 | Flyser__ | Hey guys, I have a problem. I just *un*installed nitdroid on my n900 and rebooted the device. now I see an empty multiboot menu and the device wont boot. what can I do to fix this? :-/ |
| 16:47.01 | markinfo | even "mydicto" shows bar of Miicrofon - and it moves just on the bottom. |
| 16:47.44 | Treibholz | Flyser__: flash the stock-kernel. |
| 16:48.14 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, lemme try it |
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| 16:48.49 | Flyser__ | so flashing the kernel will be enough? thanks :) I thought I had to replace the rootfs^^ |
| 16:49.06 | Treibholz | Flyser__: no, the kernel is enough. |
| 16:49.16 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, it does work but i can't hear anything |
| 16:49.20 | ZogG_laptop | ut it's playing |
| 16:49.24 | Treibholz | Flyser__: I had the same problem just a few days ago :-) |
| 16:49.48 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, hmm and output is pulse? |
| 16:49.53 | ruskie | are you in silent? |
| 16:49.54 | ZogG_laptop | yes |
| 16:49.57 | ZogG_laptop | nope |
| 16:50.02 | ZogG_laptop | hmm it's wierd |
| 16:50.14 | ZogG_laptop | i ran xmms2 radd /path/to/album |
| 16:50.20 | ZogG_laptop | xmms2 list shows nothing |
| 16:50.39 | ruskie | check .cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log iirc |
| 16:52.27 | ZogG_laptop | couldn't set up chain for ...blah.mp3 |
| 16:52.41 | ruskie | missing all the format plugins then |
| 16:52.52 | ruskie | I more or less stripped off all the plugin dependencies by default |
| 16:52.54 | Flyser__ | Treibholz: nice :) What is the easiest way to reflash *just* the kernel? do I have to unpack the FIASCO image? |
| 16:53.04 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, i'm using opt repo |
| 16:53.21 | Treibholz | Flyser__: no, the flasher has an option for that |
| 16:53.38 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, yeah... but you need to install xmms2-plugin-{mp3,ogg,flac,etc...) packages |
| 16:53.38 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, xmms2-plugin-all is meta? |
| 16:53.46 | ruskie | I think so |
| 16:53.54 | ZogG_laptop | lemme check than |
| 16:54.11 | ruskie | yeah it is |
| 16:54.22 | ruskie | I suggest after that removing it and xmms2-plugin-mad |
| 16:54.36 | ruskie | so it will use mpg123 as the decoder(more optimized decoding) |
| 16:54.36 | ZogG_laptop | yes it is |
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| 16:55.11 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, yes but than i need to install flac support separetly =( |
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| 16:55.23 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, ? |
| 16:55.37 | ZogG_laptop | does mad includes flac support? |
| 16:55.40 | ruskie | no |
| 16:55.46 | ruskie | mad is ONLY for mp3 |
| 16:55.55 | ruskie | you need: xmms2-plugin-flac |
| 16:55.59 | ruskie | if you want flac |
| 16:56.05 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, that's why i like gentoo =) |
| 16:56.16 | ruskie | mad is also crap performance wise |
| 16:56.17 | ruskie | why? |
| 16:56.22 | ruskie | because they insanely patch crap? |
| 16:56.22 | ZogG_laptop | USE="mad flac" emerge xms2 =) |
| 16:56.46 | ruskie | ZogG_laptop, well if I do a fresh package I'd like to roll it all into a single deb |
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| 16:56.55 | Flyser__ | Treibholz: flasher-3.5 -F /home/flyser/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel doesnt work here. what is wrong? |
| 16:57.23 | slonopotamus | it's just funny: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-71b68f0044a911e0bf1a35436917efdfefdf |
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| 17:00.16 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, now i will bug you with stupid question as finally i set up dev enventory right |
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| 17:03.14 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, what do you think to get metadata from file or from xmms2? |
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| 17:03.37 | ruskie | since xmms2 has a mlib I'd get it from there |
| 17:04.28 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, okay it would take me a lot of time to make something kinda usebale but what do you think i should add first after current song display? |
| 17:05.12 | ruskie | maybe albumart support? |
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| 17:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | Flyser__: a bit more of info WHAT is happening for sure would help to help you |
| 17:06.45 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, what's "enventory"? |
| 17:07.14 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG it means my english sucks |
| 17:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | Flyser__: I mean "doesn't work here" is a bit thin |
| 17:08.03 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie i'm planning to add album art, volume, progress bar, song info |
| 17:08.19 | ruskie | planing on making a desktop widget as well? |
| 17:08.20 | ZogG_laptop | thinking of playlist/medialib or add dir |
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| 17:09.06 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, sure, if i figure it out how to make widget, as in qt creator i have desktop widget or mobile app but not mobile widget and i dunno Qt at all |
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| 17:09.44 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie i was thinking to steal nicolai's widget and change relevant code and delete unrelevant for now |
| 17:09.48 | Flyser__ | DocScrutinizer: well I was able to flash the kernel using flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R, but the device will still show an empty multiboot menu on startup |
| 17:10.21 | ruskie | btw ZogG_laptop considered signig up for gsoc with xmms2? |
| 17:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, multiboot is a bitch |
| 17:10.32 | Flyser__ | DocScrutinizer: This happened after deinstalling nitdroid |
| 17:11.07 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie nope |
| 17:11.15 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie i'm too stupid for that |
| 17:11.27 | ruskie | why? |
| 17:11.42 | Flyser__ | Treibholz: is that what you did or anything else? |
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| 17:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I never looked too deep into multiboot, as I know it's a nasty hack. My guess would be you either fix things with a lenghty procedure involving booting rescue-initrd and hacking on shell level. Or reflash rootfs |
| 17:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | and for sure I suggest you go #nitdroid to kick some asses |
| 17:13.41 | Flyser__ | how can I boot a rescue-initrd? |
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| 17:19.10 | Flyser__ | is it possible to boot the default kernel without permanently flashing it to the device? |
| 17:19.23 | ruskie | yup |
| 17:19.57 | Flyser__ | how? |
| 17:20.05 | ruskie | using flasher... but not flashing it |
| 17:20.16 | ruskie | don't recall it atm... |
| 17:20.16 | Flyser__ | "--flash-only=kernel -l -R" ? |
| 17:24.58 | Flyser__ | doesnt work :-/ |
| 17:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
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| 17:26.15 | Venemo | hi |
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| 17:31.59 | Flyser__ | DocScrutinizer: thanks, but the links are dead :-/ |
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| 17:33.27 | Flyser__ | nvm. I found the correct files elsewhere |
| 17:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.5.20110301.7/repos/oss/armv7l/packages/armv7l/nokia-n900-rescue-initrd-0.2.2-1.65.armv7l.rpm |
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| 17:38.51 | MohammadAG | http://i52.tinypic.com/waou8k.jpg <-- playlist screenshot |
| 17:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'm so fed up with nitdroid and multiboot and talking users raped by those out of their problems |
| 17:41.09 | javispedro | well they took the easy way to solve an unsourmountable project |
| 17:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | Flyser__: pretty please go to nitdroid whatever is the place those dudes meet, and kick somebody's ass about this issue |
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| 17:42.06 | Flyser__ | I will ;) |
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| 17:45.42 | Flyser__ | how can I input a slash in the rescue initrd? |
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| 17:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | nobody told so far how to enter / and other special chars there |
| 17:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | so if you find a way, please share |
| 17:50.42 | Flyser__ | *sigh* :-/ |
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| 17:52.10 | Flyser__ | I don't even understand why booting the default maemo kernel through flasher is not working :-/ |
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| 17:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | probably modules mismatch |
| 17:52.36 | Flyser__ | the device just turns off after flashing ... |
| 17:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | or wrong kernel cmdline |
| 17:53.16 | Flyser__ | what kernel cmdline do I have to set? |
| 17:53.33 | Flyser__ | I dont think module mismatch might be the cause |
| 17:53.51 | Flyser__ | I was using the stock kernel before. no power kernel or anything |
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| 17:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | even when booting a temporary kernel, I'd guess the result would be the same. Multiboot is "userland", not kernel. So whatever kernel you boot, if it's using the existing rootfs and kernel cmdline, you'll end in same empty multiboot menu |
| 18:01.31 | ruskie | you could substitiue the init= param with some rm of the multiboot script |
| 18:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | but you'd have to make damn sure what exactly you are doing, as a mere removal of arbitrary scripts might not fix the problem |
| 18:02.41 | ruskie | hmm shouldn't just removing of that /bootmenu.sh work? |
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| 18:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably |
| 18:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 18:17.55 | Flyser__ | which partition on mmcblk0 is the rootfs? I cant even execute /bin/sh ... |
| 18:20.20 | MohammadAG | it's on /dev/mtd5 |
| 18:20.48 | MohammadAG | heh dual core A5 by apple |
| 18:22.35 | niala1 | question: when n900 battery is full, icon battery should stop moving? |
| 18:23.08 | E0x | and a notification msg will show |
| 18:23.11 | E0x | telling you it |
| 18:23.16 | timeless_office | niala1: i don't think it does |
| 18:23.20 | E0x | and led will green |
| 18:23.35 | timeless_office | the way you know it's "Full" is you get an info banner and potentially a greed led (if you haven't disabled that) |
| 18:23.43 | timeless_office | s/greed/green/ |
| 18:24.13 | alterego | niala1: yes ,and if the screen is off the indicator led should show constant green |
| 18:25.12 | niala1 | ok |
| 18:25.37 | niala1 | it's a second hand, with no doc |
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| 18:26.24 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, still here, want you to try something |
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| 18:29.16 | Flyser__ | is getting angry -.- bloody notdroid ... never used it, but broke my rootfs -.- |
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| 18:34.32 | niala1 | can i see % of battery full ? |
| 18:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_office: niala1: here the status area battery icon animation stops when battery is full |
| 18:35.31 | timeless_office | not when charging |
| 18:35.37 | niala1 | ok |
| 18:35.39 | timeless_office | if you unplug, there's a way to get a value |
| 18:36.05 | timeless_office | doc: here i can't charge, i just exhaust and swap :) |
| 18:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | niala1: lshal|grep bat |
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| 18:36.59 | Flyser__ | any idea what might be wrong here: flasher-3.5 -k boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900 -l -b"rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mtdblock5 init=/bin/sh" |
| 18:37.05 | Flyser__ | it fails with "unable to mount rootfs" |
| 18:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | niala1: lshal|grep battery.charge_level.percentage actually |
| 18:37.18 | niala1 | whereis | |
| 18:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | mtdblock5 never seen |
| 18:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | isn't that mtdblk |
| 18:38.22 | Flyser__ | mtdblk5 doesn't work either |
| 18:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls /dev/mtd* |
| 18:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mtd0 /dev/mtd1 /dev/mtd2 /dev/mtd3 /dev/mtd4 /dev/mtd5 |
| 18:39.10 | Flyser__ | neither does /dev/mtd5 |
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| 18:41.35 | Flyser__ | is there a cmdline option to disable the nokia splash screen? that would allow me to use the default kernel |
| 18:42.10 | timeless_office | niala1: | is either blue-C (EUR remapped as PIPE - e.g. if you have the hebrew keymap), or it's in the on screen keyboard |
| 18:42.38 | ZogG_laptop | if (ui->play_bt->text == "Play") < where is my mistake? |
| 18:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | Flyser__: I found http://pastebin.com/Dvi54udu , it might help to figure how to "do things" in early boot - it looks exactly like my /sbin/preinit |
| 18:45.23 | niala1 | ok nice |
| 18:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | Flyser__: according to /proc/cmdline (>>init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6<<) preinit is what kernel starts as init process |
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| 18:48.57 | Flyser__ | doesn't boot either :-/ just reboots |
| 18:49.14 | Flyser__ | this sucks big time ... :( |
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| 18:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry. WHAT doesn't boot either? |
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| 18:51.43 | Flyser__ | the default kernel loaded through flasher with your cmdli ne |
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| 18:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, this cmdline is for normal boot from NAND |
| 18:52.47 | Flyser__ | thats why I was hoping that it works |
| 18:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | what should work? Entering borked multiboot? that can be done by booting the very normal way |
| 18:54.38 | Flyser__ | yes. that would be a starting point to modify the cmdline into something executing /bin/sh or whatever |
| 18:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | look, your system actually boots, as it shows this multiboot menu. It's just not running the normal init process and scripts. So messing with a new kernel won't help at all |
| 18:56.26 | Flyser__ | I understand that. I was going to follow the suggesting to delete /bootmenu.sh |
| 18:57.35 | Flyser__ | but it seems hopeless :-( |
| 18:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | as ruskie suggested, changing init=/sbin/preinit to init=/bin/rm /bootmenu.sh (or similar with better syntax) could kick out the multiboot |
| 18:58.36 | Flyser__ | no it wont ... a) the filesystem is not mounted rw, b) it does not seem possible to supply arguments to commands with "init=" |
| 18:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | or use rescue-initrd and in shell there mount and cd to / of original rootfs, then `mv bootmenu.sh nobootmenu.sh` |
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| 18:59.34 | Flyser__ | how can I mount the rootfs if I can not enter / |
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| 19:05.43 | lcuk | Flyser__, the rescue-initrd would have its own / and from there you could attempt to mount/rescue the defective volume |
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| 19:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | pwd|cut -b 1 |
| 19:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | might help somehow |
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| 19:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if you got $() or ` |
| 19:11.03 | Venemo | achipa: ping |
| 19:11.12 | ruskie | $() should work in all posix shs |
| 19:11.13 | niala1 | another question: i need a usb , i have to buy a 'normal' mini usbwire? |
| 19:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | SLASH=$(pwd|cut -b 1) |
| 19:11.14 | pupnik | very nice ip cam viewer with huge list of supported cams... http://hit-mob.com/ip-cam-viewer-android/ |
| 19:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: lcuk: the problem is the fsckdup keymap in rescue-initrd sh |
| 19:11.56 | ruskie | ahh |
| 19:12.32 | Flyser__ | lcuk: how would I mount something without being able to enter a slash |
| 19:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest to patch the .profile of rescue-initrd to include some aliases |
| 19:13.19 | niala1 | i need usb to install app on maemo.org ? |
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| 19:13.27 | niala1 | usbnetwork |
| 19:13.44 | BCMM | niala1: no, any kind of network connection will let you install apps |
| 19:14.09 | niala1 | just add repo then.. ok |
| 19:14.31 | BCMM | niala1: some people use USB networking because they don't have a wireless router and don't want to use up their mobile broadband cap |
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| 19:16.21 | niala1 | the seller has keep the microcard :( |
| 19:16.50 | BCMM | niala1: ? |
| 19:17.06 | BCMM | if you mean microSD, the n900 doesn't come with one |
| 19:17.27 | niala1 | a second hand n900 |
| 19:17.36 | niala1 | ok |
| 19:19.13 | BCMM | there is an empty microSD card slot; you don't need one unless you run out of space |
| 19:19.24 | BCMM | or want to put your camera's card in there or something |
| 19:19.29 | niala1 | i thinking about meego |
| 19:19.31 | ruskie | or have a need for it ;) |
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| 19:20.13 | niala1 | well i suppose is not a good idea to test n900fly ! |
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| 19:21.21 | niala1 | i m very happy, this is not a brick at all. |
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| 19:25.51 | Flyser__ | flashing rootfs now -.-" |
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| 19:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | Flyser__: for helping your ass-kicking: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=950214#post950214 |
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| 19:40.01 | piggz | Flyser__: you could have just flashed the kernel part, and not the whole rootfs....i did it on the train on sunday after badly installing kernel-power |
| 19:40.08 | niala1 | well, there is any default password for root ? |
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| 19:44.14 | niala1 | please :) |
| 19:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | piggz: that's nonsense. The device booted til multiboot menu. So what's a kernel-flashing going to change with that? |
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| 19:47.28 | niala1 | i need to be root to runn ifconfig? |
| 19:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | a new kernel regularly doesn't change the way init process is working |
| 19:47.45 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: doesnt the kernel live where multimoot has been put...like uboot? |
| 19:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 19:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | /sbin/preinit calls /bootmenu.sh calls multiboot |
| 19:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 19:49.00 | javispedro | kills pulseaudio in x86 sbox |
| 19:49.09 | niala1 | is ifconfig on maemo? |
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| 19:49.16 | steve___ | niala1: yes you need root |
| 19:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:49.38 | steve___ | niala1: Are you familiar with ssh? |
| 19:49.39 | slonopotamus_ | niala1: /[usr/]sbin/ifconfig |
| 19:50.03 | slonopotamus_ | niala1: right, just sbin |
| 19:50.29 | niala1 | ty . is there any default password? or the seller has put in his? sorry for my englidh |
| 19:50.36 | niala1 | english |
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| 19:50.42 | njsf | re |
| 19:50.51 | njsf | Sc0rpius: ping |
| 19:51.14 | slonopotamus_ | niala1: install rootsh, then run "root" in terminal, then "passwd" and set whatever password you want |
| 19:51.15 | divan | niala1, there is no default password |
| 19:51.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | use 'root' instead of su |
| 19:51.17 | steve___ | niala1: you need to install a package to get root access. Are you familiar with ssh? |
| 19:51.44 | niala1 | ²ssh yes, but i haven't usb wire |
| 19:51.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | onstall pkg rootsh |
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| 19:52.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | use 'root' instead of su |
| 19:52.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | no password |
| 19:52.27 | niala1 | well, i suppose it's better for a second hand to erase and flash the device |
| 19:52.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-/ |
| 19:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools on how to enable proper root password for 'root' |
| 19:53.31 | slonobot | Title of DocScrutinizer's link: User:Joerg rw/tools - maemo.org wiki |
| 19:53.41 | slonopotamus_ | slonobot: o_O |
| 19:53.42 | slonobot | No such factoid 'o_O'; did you mean [global channel] goto or oreo? |
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| 19:53.58 | steve___ | niala1: If you plan on using ssh, then install openssh and you will get root access |
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| 19:54.19 | niala1 | ty all |
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| 19:58.37 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 19:59.06 | ZogG_laptop | how do i make Label in Qt to change all the time as value of text is changed? |
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| 20:00.25 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie, artist and title now shows up but doesn't change with the song =) |
| 20:02.08 | pupnik | sometime in 2011 we might get The Last Express playing on N900 |
| 20:02.14 | divan | ZogG_laptop, connect text changed signal to slot function which updates label. If no such signal, emit it when text is changed, |
| 20:02.21 | pupnik | so buy it and download it :) |
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| 20:02.58 | ZogG_laptop | divan, i have function that actually change the label |
| 20:03.03 | ZogG_laptop | set the label |
| 20:03.16 | ZogG_laptop | how do i connect the signal |
| 20:05.07 | divan | ZogG, first of all, do you have a signal which is emitted when the text changes? |
| 20:05.08 | MohammadAG | QObject::connect() |
| 20:05.23 | javispedro | curses the deadly outdated autotools plus pulseaudio combination |
| 20:06.06 | ZogG_laptop | divan, i dunno what ya talking as i'm really really new and noob to Qt |
| 20:06.20 | divan | ZogG_laptop, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/signalsandslots.html |
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| 20:06.55 | ZogG_laptop | i never understand mans or tuts, i need to see an example to understand but lemme check |
| 20:07.27 | divan | ZogG_laptop, Qt docs are super easy. It's not like man reading :) |
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| 20:07.51 | divan | Actually, docs are one of the primary Qt's pros |
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| 20:11.18 | ZogG_laptop | i could a loop but it would be stupid |
| 20:11.44 | ZogG_laptop | so actually i have to make 2 functions |
| 20:12.00 | ZogG_laptop | one is getting the data and other is setting and connect them? |
| 20:12.01 | Flyser__ | I fear I might have bricked my whole device. I can't flash my device anymore. flasher does not detect the device anymore O_o |
| 20:12.27 | ZogG_laptop | Flyser__, does it detct it before? what system? battery state? more info? |
| 20:12.40 | Flyser__ | but it shows up in dmesg and it still boots into multiboot |
| 20:12.51 | divan | ZogG_laptop, connect(song_changer, SIGNAL(songChanged(QString)), my_gui_class, SLOT(updateLabel(QString))); |
| 20:12.57 | Flyser__ | ZogG_laptop: before what? maemo 5, battery should be nearly full |
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| 20:13.14 | ZogG_laptop | Flyser__, what do u want and have? |
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| 20:13.23 | ZogG_laptop | divan, am i right? |
| 20:13.45 | Flyser__ | ZogG_laptop: I want and have Maemo 5 PR 1.3 |
| 20:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | Flyser__: battery low |
| 20:14.04 | ZogG_laptop | Flyser__, and what do u have now? |
| 20:14.19 | Flyser__ | ZogG_laptop: Maemo 5 PR 1.3 ;) |
| 20:14.20 | ZogG_laptop | ~flashing |
| 20:14.20 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:14.28 | divan | ZogG_laptop, yes. |
| 20:14.44 | Flyser__ | DocScrutinizer: okay, I will leave it charging for a while |
| 20:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | do you think it's charging when sitting in multiboot menu? It's not |
| 20:15.34 | Flyser__ | no, but it should charge if it is not booted at all |
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| 20:15.49 | ZogG_laptop | divan i don't get it. do i have to make a function to check if the song is changed or just function of getting data is enuf? |
| 20:15.53 | Flyser__ | well. if it "appears" to be not booted at all ;) |
| 20:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | you *might* be lucky and it enters charging state when you plug in charger to switched off device |
| 20:16.16 | Flyser__ | yes, thats what I am doing now |
| 20:16.32 | Flyser__ | a pulsing LED should indicate that its charging, right? |
| 20:16.34 | DocScrutinizer | Flyser__: that's called ACT_DEAD and actually is a fully booted state, without display |
| 20:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | yes, flashing LED indicates charging usually |
| 20:16.49 | Flyser__ | I know that^^ |
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| 20:19.02 | divan | ZogG_laptop, I don't know the architecture of your application. But if you want to use Qt you definitely should understand signals/slots model of Qt. It's easy. |
| 20:20.10 | ZogG_laptop | divan, i did it and i did it wrong as it's not working |
| 20:20.17 | ZogG_laptop | mind to see the code? |
| 20:20.35 | divan | ZogG_laptop, so basically you need a signal which will be emitted when song is changed, and you need a slot which will recieve the signal and update the label. |
| 20:20.39 | divan | ZogG_laptop, try ) |
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| 20:22.18 | ZogG_laptop | funny changed code and now i get unrelevant errors in random places =0 |
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| 20:23.13 | pupnik | good luck with the xmms2 hacking ZogG_laptop ... |
| 20:23.34 | pupnik | btw hows the cpu usage (@ 250mhz)... mplayer taking up 26% cpu here, plus 15 for pa |
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| 20:25.37 | pupnik | well with a 192kb/s mp3 |
| 20:25.49 | pupnik | with a low bitrate mono mp3 it uses about 17% |
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| 20:26.32 | ZogG_laptop | divan, signal means if for exapmle i have X and it's changed in app so it would send signal, than it would check automatic as i declared it as signal or i need to make function that always check that? |
| 20:28.24 | Flyser__ | DocScrutinizer: flashing works again. thanks |
| 20:29.10 | pupnik | if you ain't usin 'locate' you missin out! |
| 20:29.23 | pupnik | fo' shizzle |
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| 20:33.36 | divan | ZogG_laptop, none of these. Let's speak in terms of your task :) You need to declare signal songChanged() and emit it when song is changed. When and from where will you emit it depends on architecture of you application. If you have some class which does the song changing you can emit signal directly from that function. If you don't have any control of song changing, and can only check/poll it, then you have to make check functions which will wait for song cha |
| 20:33.36 | divan | nge and emit the signal. Again, depends on your architecture, the signal may not be needed at all - maybe you can call labelUpdate() function directly from check/songChange function. :) |
| 20:35.50 | ZogG_laptop | i'm confused now |
| 20:36.05 | ZogG_laptop | i changed my original code and now i'm even more confused |
| 20:36.39 | MohammadAG | reading examples helps :) |
| 20:36.50 | ZogG_laptop | i'm trying my best |
| 20:36.59 | ZogG_laptop | at the end i'll do it anyway =) |
| 20:41.54 | E0x | ZogG_laptop: just for curiosity , what kind of app are you doing ? |
| 20:42.35 | ZogG_laptop | xmms2 client |
| 20:42.40 | E0x | ok |
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| 20:44.30 | ZogG_laptop | i'm tierd |
| 20:44.42 | ZogG_laptop | i'll try to continue after |
| 20:44.56 | ZogG_laptop | s i'll confused with this slots and signals |
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| 20:56.36 | Flyser__ | While reinstalling my newly flashed (-.-) maemo I am wondering why the Community SSU blocks mymenu (or the other way around)? |
| 20:57.56 | Sc0rpius | define "block" |
| 20:58.14 | Flyser__ | wait. that was wrong ... |
| 20:58.19 | Flyser__ | "mymenu: Depends: mp-fremantle-generic-pr (>= 2.2009.51-1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 20:58.41 | Flyser__ | this is introduced by the community ssu |
| 20:59.04 | Sc0rpius | mp-fremantle-community-pr is introduced by the community ssu |
| 20:59.25 | Sc0rpius | I guess the generic is Maemo stuff, are you sure you have PR1.3? |
| 20:59.30 | Flyser__ | yes |
| 20:59.56 | Flyser__ | 20.2010.36-2 |
| 21:00.32 | Flyser__ | and cssu: 20.2010.36-2maemo12.5 |
| 21:01.16 | Flyser__ | maybe "mp-fremantle-community-pr" replaces "mp-fremantle-generic-pr" and mymenu can't depend on it anymore? |
| 21:01.32 | Sc0rpius | yes definitely |
| 21:01.52 | Sc0rpius | looking at the description of mp-fremantle-community-pr: |
| 21:01.58 | Sc0rpius | Replaces: mp-fremantle-generic-pr, mp-fremantle-203-pr, mp-fremantle-002-pr, mp-fremantle-003-pr |
| 21:02.02 | Sc0rpius | I wonder if that needs a: |
| 21:02.05 | merlin1991 | why on earth does it depend on mp-fremantle-generic-pr anyway |
| 21:02.08 | Sc0rpius | Provides: mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 21:02.14 | Sc0rpius | ok that's a better question |
| 21:02.21 | Flyser__ | merlin1991: because it requires PR1.2 |
| 21:02.23 | Flyser__ | or newer |
| 21:02.39 | merlin1991 | well it could depend on the actual component it needs to have @ pr1.2 level |
| 21:02.44 | Sc0rpius | indeed |
| 21:02.52 | merlin1991 | and not the specific metapackage for the system |
| 21:02.56 | Sc0rpius | exactly |
| 21:03.01 | Sc0rpius | because it doesn't need the whole PR1.2 system |
| 21:03.06 | Sc0rpius | just a couple of new packages maybe |
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| 21:03.17 | Flyser__ | well ... as I am not the developer of mymenu, I am looking for an easier solution for my problem |
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| 21:03.25 | Sc0rpius | so you should rant via email to the author of mymenu |
| 21:03.26 | merlin1991 | edit the deb |
| 21:03.30 | Sc0rpius | what is mymenu for anyway |
| 21:03.39 | merlin1991 | Change the menu structure of Maemo 5 include a update funktion for new Apps |
| 21:03.47 | Flyser__ | its like categorise or ApMeFo |
| 21:03.54 | Sc0rpius | then install ApMeFo, it's superior |
| 21:04.09 | Flyser__ | but harder to use ... |
| 21:04.23 | merlin1991 | Flyser__, just edit the .deb file |
| 21:04.47 | Sc0rpius | if you have Scratchbox, apt-get source mymenu |
| 21:04.52 | Sc0rpius | then modify the debian/control file |
| 21:04.58 | Sc0rpius | then fakeroot dpkg buildpackage -b |
| 21:05.06 | Sc0rpius | then scp the .deb to your phone |
| 21:05.09 | Sc0rpius | then dpkg -i .deb file |
| 21:05.32 | Sc0rpius | I don't think you can vi the .deb file or can you merlin1991 ? |
| 21:05.39 | Flyser__ | *sigh* |
| 21:05.46 | merlin1991 | Sc0rpius, you can't vi it but unpack and repack |
| 21:06.30 | Sc0rpius | I think we all agree it's mymenu's fault |
| 21:06.51 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 21:06.56 | merlin1991 | Sc0rpius, The internals of this Debian binary packages format are described in the deb(5) manual page. This internal format is subject to change (between major releases of Debian GNU/Linux), therefore please always use dpkg-deb(1) if you need to do lowlevel manipulations on .deb files. |
| 21:07.29 | Flyser__ | deb files are .ar files, so one can unpack them using the ar utility |
| 21:07.49 | merlin1991 | or dpkg-deb :D |
| 21:08.00 | Flyser__ | right ;) |
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| 21:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | dpkg --force-depends ? |
| 21:11.23 | Sc0rpius | --force-all |
| 21:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | f--force-galaxy |
| 21:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | --force-of-the-dark-side |
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| 21:14.45 | merlin1991 | dpkg --force-cookies |
| 21:14.59 | lcuk | --force-bacon |
| 21:15.12 | kerio | Force Bacon sounds like the best jedi power |
| 21:15.14 | Flyser__ | Sc0rpius: btw. why is ApMeFo superior |
| 21:15.25 | E0x | beacon... |
| 21:15.26 | E0x | hmmmm |
| 21:15.32 | BCMM | kerio: nah, that's where they get the force from |
| 21:15.37 | BCMM | eating force bacon. |
| 21:15.48 | Sc0rpius | dunno, maybe because it's the one everybody uses? |
| 21:15.56 | Sc0rpius | I like it |
| 21:16.02 | lcuk | kerio, yoda uses the power of the force to flip bacon rashers without using them littlefork things |
| 21:16.23 | Sc0rpius | try --force-depends like DocScrutinizer says, it's faster than unpack/repack |
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| 21:27.28 | steve___ | I have a computer and n900 connected to an access point. The computer is connected via ethernet; the n900 via wireless. Average ping times to the n900 are 235ms. |
| 21:27.37 | steve___ | Any idea why this is so high? |
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| 21:28.10 | kerio | steve___: botched powersaving maybe |
| 21:28.13 | kerio | disable it from the n900 |
| 21:28.18 | kerio | (to check, i mean) |
| 21:28.50 | Flyser__ | and ping times *from* the n900? |
| 21:29.12 | steve___ | kerio: disable power saving on the n900? |
| 21:29.17 | kerio | yeah, for the wifi |
| 21:29.46 | Flyser__ | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 43.678/193.457/359.926/95.127 ms |
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| 21:29.51 | Flyser__ | same szenario |
| 21:30.06 | Sc0rpius | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 33.040/97.985/150.770/35.539 ms |
| 21:30.07 | steve___ | Flyser__: pinging from the n900 its around 50ms |
| 21:30.07 | Flyser__ | s/z/c/ |
| 21:30.11 | Sc0rpius | no way near your scenario. |
| 21:30.39 | Sc0rpius | well I pinged from the computer |
| 21:30.44 | Sc0rpius | to the N900 |
| 21:31.07 | Flyser__ | so did I |
| 21:31.42 | Flyser__ | for ping -f : rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.214/3.139/62.511/3.107 ms |
| 21:31.51 | Flyser__ | so its pretty much a non-issue |
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| 21:36.05 | Flyser__ | great ... apmefo does not work at all -.- |
| 21:38.24 | LjL | is ogg-support in OS2008 not supposed to give you Ogg tags in the player? |
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| 22:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | apmefo does work all great |
| 22:03.05 | Flyser__ | yes I managed to get it to work |
| 22:03.11 | Flyser__ | but the UI sucks big time |
| 22:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | the GUI is a bit clumsy, but so what? better than editing .desktop files in vi |
| 22:03.59 | pupni-af-k | omg this is awesome "Armadillo Aerospace" rocket takes off and lands on it's own pad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nATMe_NKgo0 |
| 22:04.39 | Flyser__ | the GUI almost made me think that apmefo was broken and remove it again^^ |
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| 22:06.35 | Macer | hm |
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| 22:12.00 | BCMM | pupni-af-k: i LOVE the retractable landing thingies |
| 22:13.38 | pupni-af-k | me too - i was like 'where did those come from?' |
| 22:13.48 | pupni-af-k | the thing looks so homebrew |
| 22:14.38 | BCMM | really? i thought it looked kinda slick |
| 22:14.48 | BCMM | perhaps it's just that it looks "real" |
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| 22:15.11 | BCMM | rather than rendered for some scifi film or huge and shot from miles away like a Shuttle |
| 22:15.30 | BCMM | also, it looks like it's stabilised solely by thrust vectoring, which is sorta neat |
| 22:15.43 | pupni-af-k | well yea |
| 22:16.28 | lcuk | BCMM, they removed the wires in postprocessing |
| 22:16.44 | pupni-af-k | ahahahh |
| 22:16.48 | lcuk | and took off the thunderbirds decals |
| 22:16.59 | BCMM | actually it looks like you can see it vectoring quite aggressively around 50s |
| 22:17.19 | lcuk | BCMM, well you would vector quite aggressively if you were falling from the sky |
| 22:17.25 | BCMM | it somehow seems amazing to me, just because it's kinda like balancing a stick on your nose or something |
| 22:17.48 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVR5wEYkEGk |
| 22:17.56 | lcuk | Pencil Balancer using Vision Input (DVS) only |
| 22:17.58 | pupni-af-k | i balanced a canoe on my chin once |
| 22:18.04 | BCMM | lcuk: same sort of amazing |
| 22:18.31 | BCMM | computers with sufficiently low latency to smoothly maintain an inherently unstable equilibrium |
| 22:18.33 | lcuk | pupni-af-k, well next time do not go swimming in a canoe lane :P |
| 22:18.33 | pupni-af-k | well not a real one |
| 22:18.41 | BCMM | ok, i take back the "smoothly" for that last link |
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| 22:20.00 | BCMM | at an Oxford engineering open day (IIRC), i saw a machine that adjusted an electromagnet fast enough to suspend a steel ball in mid-air |
| 22:21.02 | BCMM | (not diamagnetic levitation, just changing the strength of an electromagnet, often) |
| 22:21.06 | jacekowski | BCMM: i built that myself |
| 22:21.12 | jacekowski | BCMM: with analogue stuff |
| 22:21.20 | jacekowski | nothing fancy |
| 22:21.28 | BCMM | jacekowski: cool, how does that work? |
| 22:21.35 | jacekowski | position sensor |
| 22:21.45 | BCMM | yeah, that's the bit i was wondering about :) |
| 22:21.59 | jacekowski | i built it with two lasers and two ldr's |
| 22:22.25 | BCMM | oh i see, one detecting that it was too high and one too low |
| 22:22.25 | jacekowski | so i knew if ball was too low or too high depending on resistivity of them |
| 22:22.27 | BCMM | ? |
| 22:22.28 | BCMM | ah |
| 22:22.30 | jacekowski | yes |
| 22:22.34 | jacekowski | but i've seen designs with one |
| 22:23.28 | BCMM | presumably, they just slowly increase the field strength until the top laser trips, then drop it a bit, and repeat? |
| 22:23.32 | BCMM | (or the inverse) |
| 22:24.02 | jacekowski | that's simple way of doing it |
| 22:24.06 | jacekowski | and it doesn't look nice |
| 22:24.18 | BCMM | i was going to ask, does your one look smooth? |
| 22:24.21 | BCMM | and if so, how come? |
| 22:24.27 | jacekowski | ideally you have ball and sensors aligned in a such way |
| 22:24.44 | jacekowski | that it always covers part of a beam |
| 22:24.59 | jacekowski | so you know exact position |
| 22:25.16 | jacekowski | not just too high/low |
| 22:25.20 | BCMM | aah |
| 22:25.34 | jacekowski | it's all quite simple analogue circuit |
| 22:25.52 | jacekowski | biggest problem for me was making electromagnet |
| 22:25.56 | BCMM | then you have an analogue reading of position and can use it somehow to adjust the field in an analogue fashion |
| 22:26.11 | jacekowski | yes |
| 22:26.48 | jacekowski | http://www.coilgun.info/levitation/schematic.htm |
| 22:26.52 | jacekowski | that's simple circuit |
| 22:28.20 | jacekowski | all these things are like normal magic tricks |
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| 22:28.33 | jacekowski | it's all fun and complicated untill you don't know how it's working |
| 22:30.01 | BCMM | ? |
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| 22:30.18 | ale152 | hello |
| 22:30.30 | jacekowski | BCMM: have you seen any of these magic shows |
| 22:30.41 | BCMM | which magic shows? |
| 22:30.42 | jacekowski | BCMM: where people walk trough glass and things like that |
| 22:30.42 | ale152 | does anybody know how to redirect the mic audio stream through the fm transmitter? |
| 22:30.50 | jacekowski | or fly |
| 22:30.59 | jacekowski | and do that kind of shit |
| 22:31.06 | BCMM | i've not seen somebody walk thought glass, live |
| 22:31.18 | BCMM | (and stuff on TV isn't even worth wondering about) |
| 22:31.25 | jacekowski | for somebody who has no idea how it's done it's magic |
| 22:31.36 | BCMM | i have seen somebody lie on a table, levitate, and have a hoop passed along her to show there were no wires |
| 22:31.41 | BCMM | still wanna know how they did that |
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| 22:32.11 | jacekowski | but once you find out how it was done you realise that it's very simple |
| 22:32.22 | jacekowski | that hoop isn't a full ring |
| 22:32.38 | jacekowski | everybody knows that |
| 22:32.46 | Proteous | sometimes it is, there are many many ways to do that trick |
| 22:33.39 | Jaffa | Someone broken the maemo.org hamsters and 770 bank? |
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| 22:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | I ate those 770 |
| 22:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | quite crunchy, yummy |
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| 22:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | damn, I missed those that host the wiki, it's still up |
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| 22:39.37 | Jaffa | As is TMO. Which makes me think CDN |
| 22:43.22 | javispedro | microsoft already bought nokia, and we can't to the news =) |
| 22:45.54 | Sc0rpius | haha |
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| 22:53.27 | achipa | Venemo: pong ? |
| 22:53.59 | Venemo | achipa: in which nightly is http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-1858 fixed? |
| 22:54.33 | Venemo | achipa: it's almost a year old bug, and my week old nightly doesn't have the fix for it |
| 22:56.56 | Venemo | achipa: also related is http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-3442 |
| 23:02.33 | achipa | Venemo: hm, Fix Version/s: Qt Creator 2.2.0 (current master) |
| 23:02.39 | Venemo | achipa: I see |
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| 23:03.41 | Venemo | achipa: it was fixed on 05/Jan/11 5:55 and my version is built on Feb 2 2011 |
| 23:03.49 | Venemo | achipa: so why doesn't my version have the fix? |
| 23:04.42 | achipa | Venemo: but are you 2.2 or 2.1 ? |
| 23:04.50 | achipa | Venemo: date is date, but branch is branch :) |
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| 23:12.00 | Venemo | achipa: I dunno what branch is this. version number is 2.1.81 |
| 23:13.46 | achipa | Venemo: hmm, that sounds like 2.2... |
| 23:14.08 | Venemo | achipa: looks like it, yes |
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