| 00:04.37 | lolcat | Can i have multiplayer iNES? |
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| 00:04.51 | hawaii_ | No. |
| 00:04.58 | lolcat | Doh |
| 00:05.05 | lolcat | What can utilize both controllers? |
| 00:08.33 | lolcat | And I can't ssh into it... |
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| 00:14.37 | lolcat | I got it to WORK :D |
| 00:14.42 | lolcat | But it frooze :( |
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| 00:45.21 | lolcat | Now mupen64 works smooth |
| 00:45.26 | lolcat | At least with one controller |
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| 01:15.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | yo |
| 01:15.36 | SpeedEvil | gurt |
| 01:16.47 | lolcat | How can a phone be THIS awesome?! An android would bore me after a week, tops! |
| 01:19.07 | pupnik | . |
| 01:19.57 | Venemo | :-1: error: Copying file '/home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master' failed. |
| 01:20.10 | Venemo | Qt Creator invented a new error message |
| 01:20.24 | pupnik | ? |
| 01:22.34 | Venemo | pupnik: the file is there, it just doesn't want to copy it to the n900 |
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| 01:35.51 | lolcat | How does USB hostmode work |
| 01:37.41 | manaru | http://www.google.com/search?&q=n900+host+mode |
| 01:38.41 | lolcat | I needed an image but now I see |
| 01:38.47 | lolcat | Does it support NTFS? |
| 01:39.17 | manaru | ntfs is a fs |
| 01:40.03 | manaru | or? |
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| 01:40.45 | lolcat | yes, the filesystem |
| 01:41.18 | lolcat | I just need a female to female usb cable now |
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| 01:43.48 | luke-jr | jacekowski: any reason your VANILLA image doesn't match the MD5? |
| 01:44.45 | BCMM | lolcat: USB hostmode means the n900 can be a USB "host", like a regular PC |
| 01:45.16 | BCMM | lolcat: you can plug mice and keyboards and USB sticks and so on in to the n900, and use them |
| 01:45.52 | SpeedEvil | Or you can plug n900s into your n900 |
| 01:46.33 | BCMM | lolcat: NTFS support isn't really connected to host mode - any filesystem that works for a microSD card should work for a USB stick |
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| 01:48.00 | BCMM | it's a good question though; i can't see an NTFS-3g package... |
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| 01:50.20 | lolcat | BCMM: Thank you for clearing that out, I will assume it don't works. |
| 01:50.36 | BCMM | lolcat: well, apt-cache search ntfs - there seems to be a package |
| 01:50.42 | lolcat | Migth still get a female to female usb adapter tomorrow to unleash this awesomeness |
| 01:51.18 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 01:51.28 | BCMM | lolcat: i have an ntfs kernel module installed, possibly from kernel-power |
| 01:51.51 | BCMM | but the ntfs-3g FUSE driver, which is usually preferable, does not seem to be available |
| 01:52.18 | lolcat | Just that it handles usb sticks would be quite usefull |
| 01:52.33 | lolcat | But the insanely long cable will be a bit unfortunate |
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| 01:53.11 | lolcat | Could the N900 with hostmode charge another phone? |
| 01:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | contacts-grepfind maemo/local/deafult-plain -field=".*name.*" -ivalue=".*john.*" -o -field=".*name.*" -ivalue=".*jim.*" -a -field="X-Birthday" -value="$today" |
| 01:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | firstname="Johnny" lastname="" nickname="" addr="SOL3" X-Birthday="1989-02-24" |
| 01:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | firstname="jim" lastname="jarmush" nickname="theoneandonly" addr="somwhere" X-Birthday="1989-02-24" |
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| 01:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | did I ever mention the lack of above sketched function was a PITA some 6 years ago, with twinklephone scripting and KABC/KAddressBook, and it's STILL the absolutely same PITA today with maemo contacts |
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| 01:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | and even from C code inside twinkle you had to read in ALL contacts from KABC to find the one contact matching the inbound number, which gave reason to do this only once at startup, and create a button to reload the database *manually* as KABC not even signalled when there's been a change in contacts database |
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| 02:00.54 | lolcat | Is the custom kernel dangerous? |
| 02:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes, EXTREMELY! |
| 02:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | will bite off your arm |
| 02:01.35 | luke-jr | and impregnate your wife |
| 02:01.41 | lolcat | Will it make my phone less useless than an Android device? |
| 02:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | naaaw, nothing will ever make a unworthy true linux device on par with devine android |
| 02:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | btw phones are useless per definitionem |
| 02:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: and yes, of course N900 can charge another USB device, at 200mA, for ~2h |
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| 02:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | so you could use your N900 to charge your übercool android device, you just need 3 spare BL-5J batteries for N900 to get one complete charge on the übercool Android |
| 02:05.38 | nox- | haha one little battery charging another |
| 02:05.44 | nox- | yeah i guess :) |
| 02:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | but take care, the EXTREMELY DANGEROUS powerkernel could sneak in via USB cable to Andoid and taint it and bite off the arm of that ANDROID droid (the r2d2 type) |
| 02:09.50 | nox- | hahaha |
| 02:10.04 | luke-jr | is scared that PR1.3 will break his Gentoo :/ |
| 02:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | I put my money on win by knockout in round 3 for Gentoo |
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| 02:11.33 | luke-jr | do I *need* to flash eMMC? |
| 02:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | forPR1.3?? NAH! |
| 02:12.12 | luke-jr | ⦠I get the feel you're being sarcastic |
| 02:12.16 | luke-jr | true/false? |
| 02:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | you *might* want to rm -rf /opt, as your last command on PR1.2 |
| 02:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you don't need to flash eMMC for a mere PR update |
| 02:13.02 | luke-jr | ok |
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| 02:13.29 | lcukn901 | no doc, that is first action after flash |
| 02:13.49 | lcukn901 | luke-jr the /opt partition is self cleaning under normal flash |
| 02:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | lol, to break the fresh update? |
| 02:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 02:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 02:14.08 | luke-jr | ââ |
| 02:14.17 | lcukn901 | no, it cleans it, then extracts content to it |
| 02:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's new to me |
| 02:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, lcuk should know ;-D |
| 02:14.36 | lcukn901 | indeed. |
| 02:14.50 | lolcat | The filesystem on the N900 is SO confusing |
| 02:14.55 | lcukn901 | yes |
| 02:15.06 | lolcat | Where is the folder with the configurations? And how do I find them on my computer? |
| 02:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | how could I ever doubt in your professional skills :-o |
| 02:15.10 | lcukn901 | luke-jr whatever the case. backup all device fully |
| 02:15.13 | lolcat | THe files are diffrent :S |
| 02:15.29 | lcukn901 | ie normal upgrade procedure :) |
| 02:15.36 | luke-jr | lcukn901: that's easy, the problem is restoring in case something goes wrong ;P |
| 02:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn901: what's your flag indicating virgin boot? |
| 02:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | I guess some script somewhere that delets itself after execution? |
| 02:16.27 | lcukn901 | doc since i am lay in bed with half an eye open best you look in gitorious maemo-optify-boottime |
| 02:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 02:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 02:17.42 | lcukn901 | its in /var/lib though |
| 02:18.03 | lcukn901 | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-firstboot.sh |
| 02:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 02:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn901: sleep! |
| 02:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 02:19.36 | lcukn901 | yeah you are right. nn \o |
| 02:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | btw anybody noticed lcuk has the arcane N901, the absolutely secret successor of N900 |
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| 02:21.43 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Oo, how is it bether? |
| 02:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask me, I just noticed there's such a thing like N901, as obviously lcuk is using it right ATM |
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| 02:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 02:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | but we should stop highlighting l c u k and let him sleep a little bit |
| 02:24.00 | javispedro | oh, seems I messed up yesterday saying /opt wasn't cleared, forgot about his work :( |
| 02:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: I suggest you pester him tomorrow to admit he got a prototype and disclose what it looks like ;-D |
| 02:24.34 | lolcat | where can I cp a config file so my computer sees it? |
| 02:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: everybody did, since 6 months |
| 02:24.42 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I will, google gave me nothing |
| 02:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 02:24.56 | luke-jr | so is there a way to backup such that I can actually restore if it goes wrong? |
| 02:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: odds are he'll claim tomorrow it's just a nickname, nothing more |
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| 02:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: try backupmenu (the package sitting on bootmenu) - it looks like it creates decent tarballs |
| 02:26.05 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, thats what i took it as too :) |
| 02:26.31 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: can't flash a tarball |
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| 02:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yeah, you also can't install a backup tape. You need a rescue system (e.g. clean fresh PR1.2) and then copy back the tarballs |
| 02:27.39 | lolcat | How much should I overclock it too? |
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| 02:28.03 | luke-jr | lolcat: only fools overclock |
| 02:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | 0.00000Hz overclocking is considered absolutely safe |
| 02:28.28 | HtheB | does anyone know the what best format/codec is for a video file |
| 02:28.33 | HtheB | to play on the N900 |
| 02:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | everything beyond is for extreme expert hackers and fools |
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| 02:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | H.26errr3? baseline |
| 02:29.18 | HtheB | 800x480? |
| 02:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 02:29.27 | HtheB | hmm |
| 02:29.29 | lolcat | But the mupen64 is faster with 800mhz |
| 02:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and my scooter is faster with tetranitro |
| 02:30.07 | javispedro | if it is, it will only be slightly, slightly faster, considering it is gfx bw bound |
| 02:30.19 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: H.264 |
| 02:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | bah, my scooter is a rocket!!!! |
| 02:30.46 | luke-jr | lolcat: it also fries your device |
| 02:30.52 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: wasn't talking about your scooter, but then, it might be true that your scooter is also graphics limited ;) |
| 02:30.54 | HtheB | renders a video file |
| 02:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | even when I open up the N2O bottle ;-P |
| 02:31.35 | HtheB | XMB for N900 |
| 02:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrrrr, yeah the gfx of my scooter are only amazing after one of the frequent crashs |
| 02:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell lolcat about omapoc |
| 02:32.41 | javispedro | ~tell javispedro about omapc |
| 02:32.45 | javispedro | (must see that =) |
| 02:32.51 | javispedro | bah |
| 02:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell lolcat about omap-oc |
| 02:33.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc |
| 02:33.07 | infobot | hmm... omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! |
| 02:33.18 | HtheB | FUCK YOU DOLPHIN! |
| 02:33.21 | HtheB | AND FUCK YOU WHALE! |
| 02:33.25 | HtheB | (Southpark ftw!) |
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| 02:34.21 | javispedro | aha |
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| 02:36.23 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: It is long and it doesn't seam to have a clear conclusion |
| 02:37.36 | lolcat | But I guess I will just get the normal custom kernel then |
| 02:38.43 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer! |
| 02:38.45 | HtheB | It doesnt play! |
| 02:39.11 | HtheB | H.264 :( |
| 02:39.47 | lolcat | HtheB: It doesn't? |
| 02:39.52 | HtheB | nop |
| 02:39.53 | javispedro | just hit it harder |
| 02:40.00 | HtheB | not supported |
| 02:40.17 | HtheB | trying to get a XMB (720p) on my N900 |
| 02:40.26 | HtheB | (resized to 800x480) |
| 02:40.44 | HtheB | or... well.. 800x450 to be exactly |
| 02:40.54 | javispedro | a XMB? |
| 02:40.59 | HtheB | yeah |
| 02:41.03 | javispedro | is that some kind of drug? |
| 02:41.07 | HtheB | yeah |
| 02:41.09 | HtheB | PSP/PS3 drug |
| 02:41.10 | HtheB | :P |
| 02:41.24 | luke-jr | you got a PS3 emulator on your N900? |
| 02:41.25 | HtheB | its the menu of the PSP/PS3 |
| 02:41.52 | HtheB | and Im trying to make the background (the wave background) as a live wallpaper :) |
| 02:43.22 | lolcat | It has a conflict to install the enchaned power kernel :( |
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| 02:44.08 | lolcat | How do I unstiall the maemo kernel? |
| 02:44.44 | lolcat | kernel-maemo, kernel-modules-maemo I need gone |
| 02:45.28 | HtheB | ..... |
| 02:46.42 | lolcat | Can I uninstall them with apt? wont that break everyhting? |
| 02:48.23 | javispedro | I suggest following the instructions, wherever they are. |
| 02:48.33 | Sc0rpius | "how do I uninstall the kernel?" |
| 02:48.41 | Sc0rpius | that's what I needed to read to go to sleep |
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| 02:48.58 | javispedro | this is funny. laugh. |
| 02:49.04 | lolcat | Sc0rpius: Noo, help me! I need the power kernel, can't remember why but I am pretty sure I really need it |
| 02:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | HtheB: I said *baseline* |
| 02:49.18 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 02:49.25 | Sc0rpius | if you don't need the power kernel, don't use it. |
| 02:49.29 | HtheB | but I just finished rendering again |
| 02:49.29 | HtheB | do'h |
| 02:49.31 | HtheB | with baseline |
| 02:49.32 | HtheB | hehe |
| 02:49.33 | javispedro | because he thinks he has to do B in order to do A, he asks how to do B. The answer to B is "use a hammer to break your device in smaller pieces". |
| 02:49.34 | Sc0rpius | I have never used it, I'm pretty fine with my omap |
| 02:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | it's known to not support the advanced flavours of H.264 |
| 02:49.35 | HtheB | testing out now =) |
| 02:49.46 | HtheB | FUCK YOU DOLPHIN |
| 02:49.50 | HtheB | AND FUCK YOU WHALE! |
| 02:50.12 | lolcat | Doh, I installed the autodisconnect, now I have to connect all the time |
| 02:50.29 | HtheB | you can remove or just disable it?.... |
| 02:50.31 | HtheB | ¬¬ |
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| 02:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | LOL cat |
| 02:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
| 02:52.36 | lolcat | I want it to be connected all time because I am trying to spend money before my subscription change from this prepaid one |
| 02:52.47 | HtheB | OMG what happened to the video |
| 02:52.48 | HtheB | lol |
| 02:52.53 | lolcat | They have allready throttled my connectio to 100kbps because I donwloaded to much |
| 02:52.54 | HtheB | it turned to very ugly xD |
| 02:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | failwhale |
| 02:54.25 | lolcat | Outcoming call vibro, how stupid is that? |
| 02:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | I found it plays back most of my videos just fine |
| 02:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | outcoming??? what's that? |
| 02:54.51 | HtheB | outgoing? |
| 02:54.58 | HtheB | incoming? |
| 02:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | outbound even |
| 02:55.06 | HtheB | fuck you whale |
| 02:55.14 | HtheB | and fuck you dolphin |
| 02:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'm a herring |
| 02:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | you're a cow, hear you moo, you weight 20 times I do |
| 02:57.41 | HtheB | fuck you cowww |
| 02:57.43 | lolcat | HtheB: Nope, outcoming. I have no idea why someone would want their phone to vibrate when they call someone... |
| 02:57.45 | HtheB | fuck youu chicken! |
| 02:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehehehehe |
| 02:57.55 | javispedro | "enchanted" power kernel. |
| 02:58.01 | HtheB | lolcat: it's saying: outgoing call |
| 02:58.05 | HtheB | and incoming call |
| 02:58.22 | HtheB | the vibrate = easy for you to keep up the minutes |
| 02:58.38 | HtheB | and otherwise: to use it as a dildo |
| 02:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | don't stop him, he has his coming out ;-D |
| 02:58.47 | HtheB | maybe u like it |
| 02:58.51 | HtheB | lol |
| 02:59.34 | lolcat | It said on my phone: Outcoming call vibration |
| 02:59.42 | HtheB | app? |
| 02:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | the coming-out app |
| 03:00.00 | HtheB | :D |
| 03:00.06 | HtheB | which app does it say likethat lolcat |
| 03:00.47 | HtheB | renders another xmb video for better quality |
| 03:00.47 | *** join/#maemo Bomberman (188dfa11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.141.250.17) |
| 03:01.05 | Bomberman | Why does the n900 suck so much? |
| 03:01.05 | lolcat | Not sure, I moved on in my search for neccecary apps |
| 03:01.13 | lolcat | Since the power kernel doesn't work |
| 03:01.27 | lolcat | Bomberman: Have you too installed the "Outcoming call vibration" app? |
| 03:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | duh, PK works 99.99% |
| 03:01.38 | javispedro | grabs popcorn |
| 03:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | cackles and gasps |
| 03:02.11 | javispedro | makes loud popcorn eating noises while waiting for activity |
| 03:02.20 | Bomberman | What? Just asking. |
| 03:02.25 | lolcat | Can I install webmin on the N900? |
| 03:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | headdesks |
| 03:02.56 | nox- | too |
| 03:03.03 | lolcat | I need a terminal where I can see the files logcially |
| 03:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | suggests xterm & ls |
| 03:03.25 | Bomberman | Judging by TMO the situation is not good |
| 03:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | or microb and file:// |
| 03:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | muHAAAAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | judging by TMO the world ended 1999 |
| 03:04.14 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I have this config file or something, and I want it to be on my computer, easiest way to do this? A webserver and a symlink perhaps? |
| 03:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: that'S way to reasonable a suggestion for you. I'm not used to that |
| 03:04.54 | Bomberman | I kinda dont blame Nokia for dropping maemo/meego, why are people so upset? |
| 03:05.02 | javispedro | lolcat: I find your choice of words interesting. |
| 03:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly, I guess sftp is simpler |
| 03:05.31 | javispedro | ahh now I get it. |
| 03:05.58 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I can't ssh to my phone apparently, I even changed my root password to something simpler |
| 03:06.17 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: now that's sth we'd love to help you out |
| 03:06.36 | HtheB | lolcat: are you connected over wifi? |
| 03:06.39 | Bomberman | lolcat: you gotta install bunch of shit from the repositories |
| 03:06.42 | HtheB | i mean, the SAME wifi |
| 03:07.05 | lolcat | Bomberman: Just got smsbomb, can't wait untill the day before I change subscription |
| 03:07.33 | lolcat | HtheB: I don't have a wifi, I use a D-Link DGS1224T to connect my laptop and ps3 to the internet |
| 03:07.39 | Bomberman | Whats smsbomb? |
| 03:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | HtheB: I think we should teach this man about ssh :-o |
| 03:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | he's a terrorist |
| 03:07.54 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: do you have your whip around you? |
| 03:07.58 | HtheB | >:D |
| 03:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | ramps up the MTHELs |
| 03:08.24 | HtheB | what kind of a Bomberman are you, if you dont know smsbomb |
| 03:08.28 | HtheB | (how ironic) |
| 03:08.32 | lolcat | My ip is: 77.17.161.255? |
| 03:08.38 | lolcat | Isn't that a broadcast adress? |
| 03:08.42 | HtheB | ok, everybody attack to lolcat |
| 03:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: yeah, actually |
| 03:09.02 | HtheB | do you have ssh installed on ur phone!? |
| 03:09.04 | lolcat | Well, that sucks |
| 03:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | look VERY odd |
| 03:09.18 | lolcat | There: SSH started |
| 03:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: and 77.x.x.x isn't any local IP range |
| 03:10.07 | lolcat | Local to whom? |
| 03:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | local to your LAN |
| 03:10.18 | lolcat | I guess I will check with ifconfig |
| 03:10.19 | Bomberman | Any ideas on improving the skype app on n900 or will it forever be stuck in the stone age? |
| 03:10.29 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I don't use a NAT/WAN |
| 03:10.31 | javispedro | what skype app? |
| 03:10.42 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: he wants to ssh over internet |
| 03:10.46 | lolcat | Bomberman: It is pure awesomeness |
| 03:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: so you're in severe trouble |
| 03:11.04 | HtheB | javispedro: he meas that the internal skype sux |
| 03:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: A) everybody can and WILL ping you with crap from internet-global |
| 03:11.31 | Bomberman | The official skype app |
| 03:11.37 | lolcat | Seriously, I have the broadcast adress! |
| 03:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: B) probably you are the only person on this planet that can't log in to your own device |
| 03:12.16 | lolcat | I have to send my ISP an angry email, I used to use that adress to stream shit when I was in school |
| 03:12.19 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: You can? |
| 03:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | C) you got a broadcast addr, which means all packets sent to you are sent to everybody else on your subnet |
| 03:12.33 | javispedro | Bomberman: are you sure that what you have is a Nokia N900 instead of the Nokla N900? |
| 03:12.37 | lolcat | Can you copy the .mupen64plus and zip it and host it somewhere? |
| 03:13.01 | javispedro | aha, finally A appears. |
| 03:13.15 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: So if I download a lot of stuff, everyone else on this carrier will use their packages? |
| 03:13.18 | lolcat | That is amusing |
| 03:13.21 | Bomberman | javispedro: i wonder myself the same thing every time i pick up the brick |
| 03:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: stalls at 14 ti0007a210-xe1-5.ti.telenor.net (146.172.111.58) 80.743 ms 85.440 ms 89.681 ms |
| 03:13.43 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer, like to see the results? |
| 03:13.59 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: They are firewalling me? |
| 03:15.02 | HtheB | lols |
| 03:15.10 | lolcat | I guess I will ssh to my server, to break the firewall |
| 03:15.13 | lolcat | then ssh back |
| 03:15.19 | lolcat | through the server |
| 03:15.21 | HtheB | javispedro: sometimes skype is very crap over here too |
| 03:15.30 | HtheB | good luck lolcat :P |
| 03:15.33 | HtheB | hey DocScrutinizer |
| 03:15.40 | javispedro | uses skype extensively... |
| 03:15.54 | javispedro | lolcat: are you doing all of this in order to do what to mupen64plus? |
| 03:16.13 | lolcat | javispedro: Multicontroller setup |
| 03:16.13 | HtheB | just use the USB cable and copy the file |
| 03:16.21 | javispedro | HtheB++ |
| 03:16.34 | lolcat | HtheB: I can't see the rigth foldder |
| 03:16.38 | HtheB | then go to terminal and move that shit |
| 03:16.41 | lolcat | folder* |
| 03:16.45 | HtheB | doesnt matter if u cant see |
| 03:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | points to the uSD card slot of N900 |
| 03:16.49 | lolcat | I don't know what foldder I can see |
| 03:16.55 | HtheB | just drag and drop the stuff in the root |
| 03:16.58 | HtheB | it will come into: |
| 03:17.13 | HtheB | this dir: /home/user/MyDocs |
| 03:17.26 | Bomberman | What is this??? A personal support line??? Lets change the subject people |
| 03:17.37 | HtheB | well, this is #maemo :) |
| 03:17.40 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I fried my laptop, so I can't use mirco sd cards in anything else than the phone |
| 03:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | Bomberman: to "why does N900 suck so much??" - sure |
| 03:18.00 | lolcat | HtheB: And MyDocs is what I see with the usb? |
| 03:18.04 | HtheB | Yup |
| 03:18.26 | Bomberman | DocScrutinizer: ok perhaps i was a little too judgemental |
| 03:18.26 | HtheB | hang on brb :) |
| 03:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | headdesks again, this tme without loud laughter |
| 03:18.42 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer, yo |
| 03:19.53 | *** join/#maemo nostyle (~a@unaffiliated/nostyle) |
| 03:19.58 | *** join/#maemo HtheB (4e1b053b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.27.5.59) |
| 03:20.08 | Bomberman | Man all this ssh is boring me to death |
| 03:20.09 | HtheB | back |
| 03:20.26 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: www.tinychat.com/HtheB |
| 03:21.36 | HtheB | ? |
| 03:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | Bomberman: anyway congrats. You're the very first person coming here and complaining about TOO MUCH personal support in less than 30 min. I have heard this objection from oldtimers that are in this chan for years, but never from a newbie |
| 03:21.49 | lolcat | channel_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port 22 COuld not request local forwarding, arrrgh! |
| 03:22.17 | HtheB | Yo DocScrutinizer |
| 03:22.19 | javispedro | Bomberman: ssssshhhh |
| 03:22.27 | Sc0rpius | wow |
| 03:22.38 | HtheB | feels ignored |
| 03:22.38 | Sc0rpius | helping people is "On topic" in this channel |
| 03:22.45 | lolcat | I wish there where a backwards ssh |
| 03:23.02 | Sc0rpius | explain |
| 03:23.06 | Sc0rpius | because I'm sure there is |
| 03:23.07 | HtheB | hss? :P |
| 03:23.11 | Sc0rpius | :S |
| 03:23.15 | lolcat | I want to connect my laptop to my phone |
| 03:23.21 | HtheB | usb :P |
| 03:23.23 | lolcat | MY phone is on the broadcast figure |
| 03:23.29 | lolcat | ip* |
| 03:23.40 | HtheB | lolcat: just install the ssh server |
| 03:23.48 | HtheB | on your phone |
| 03:23.52 | lolcat | So I need to connect from the phone to my server so that my server can controll my phone. |
| 03:24.09 | lolcat | So my laptop can control the server |
| 03:24.11 | Bomberman | People: i am snoozing off here....help! |
| 03:24.17 | Sc0rpius | reverse VNC |
| 03:24.24 | Sc0rpius | that's what I would do |
| 03:24.31 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer, javispedro and you Bomberman |
| 03:24.38 | HtheB | let me show you the XMB for N900 |
| 03:24.53 | lolcat | Can I copy text with VNC? |
| 03:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | HtheB: In riddles to speak he likes |
| 03:25.35 | *** join/#maemo swc|666 (~x00@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 03:25.40 | HtheB | lol |
| 03:25.47 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: go to www.tinychat.com/HtheB |
| 03:26.03 | Bomberman | Why you would wanna vnc on that tiny little screen is beyond me |
| 03:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | been there - got bored -closed the window WTF |
| 03:26.32 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: if u rly have been there, u would have ask for the pass =) |
| 03:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | why? I'm not interested in that communication channel |
| 03:27.05 | HtheB | errr? |
| 03:27.18 | HtheB | how the hell can I show u something over irc then -_- |
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| 03:27.38 | Bomberman | BTW i find that installing not optimized apps from the repos brings my already slow n900 to a crawl |
| 03:27.54 | HtheB | no shit sherlock |
| 03:27.58 | DocScrutinizer | I got the inner vision, the third digital eye |
| 03:28.17 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: just go to there >_> |
| 03:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | Bomberman: surprise surprise |
| 03:28.24 | HtheB | or infobot will kick ur ass |
| 03:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | HtheB: you're almost crossing the spam threshold |
| 03:29.42 | lolcat | :( |
| 03:30.10 | Bomberman | Some of the apps are pure crapness |
| 03:30.23 | HtheB | iphone is full of crap |
| 03:31.24 | lolcat | Why can't it listen to port 22? |
| 03:31.27 | Bomberman | Lots of apps my a** |
| 03:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: install ssh client and ssh server on both your phone and your PC. on PC do ssh -l root <IP_of_phone> and enter root pw as given on installing ssh |
| 03:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | from phone do ssh -l whatever_your_user_on_PC <IP_on_PC> |
| 03:32.54 | lolcat | why the -l? |
| 03:33.10 | nox- | yeah ssh user@host also works |
| 03:33.17 | lolcat | ahh |
| 03:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | because it's written down like this in allmighty manpages |
| 03:33.28 | Bomberman | Forget ssh on phone |
| 03:33.40 | lolcat | I used ssh lolcat@b1ag.com -p 28224 -L 2222:localhost:22 |
| 03:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
| 03:33.56 | lolcat | But when I connect to b1ag.com at 2222 I get connection refused |
| 03:34.08 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (~pcfe@a88-115-5-78.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 03:34.08 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (~pcfe@redhat/pcfe) |
| 03:35.02 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat, you're incredible. Not able to open a simple ssh session, but starting with a port-forwarding |
| 03:35.15 | lolcat | I have started several |
| 03:35.18 | lolcat | But the wrong way |
| 03:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | *BURP* then |
| 03:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: you now have to ask "Why does ssh suck so much on maemo??!!!eleven!11!!??" |
| 03:36.59 | lolcat | There is something wrong here |
| 03:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | Bomberman was right, we should switch topic |
| 03:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | schedules another mega netsplit at #freenode, just for fun |
| 03:41.36 | lolcat | I found the solution, I will just unprotect port 22 on my server |
| 03:42.18 | *** join/#maemo ketas (ketas@ketas6-sixxs.si.pri.ee) |
| 03:42.35 | nox- | better use keys for public sshds tho |
| 03:43.11 | lolcat | My passwords are complicated, but since this obviouslt wont work |
| 03:43.30 | lolcat | What else fun can I install? Preferably something that can use my 100kbit connection to the max! |
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| 03:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | suggests skype |
| 03:50.00 | lolcat | Would calling with 100kbit work? |
| 03:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | will work great for using up all bandwidth by simply relaying other peers' conversations |
| 03:50.36 | lolcat | Even on the maemo client on 3,5G? |
| 03:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | esp with a globally visible IP like 77.17.161.255 |
| 03:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | as an added benefit it probably will max out all the other IP clients in same subnet, as it's a broadcast addr as you noticed |
| 03:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | I hope you don't get a visit by the men in black helicopters |
| 03:53.09 | lolcat | I have a gigabit vps |
| 03:53.46 | lolcat | All I need is command line vlc |
| 03:53.57 | lolcat | And then stream 1080p to MY ip :D |
| 03:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | and to all other IPs in 77.17.161.x |
| 03:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | brilliant, content multicast as it's been meant to be |
| 03:56.25 | lolcat | Especially since this provider charges like $2 for each MB xD |
| 03:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and all the residents of Fredrikstad will say "thank you very much, llcat" |
| 03:58.07 | lolcat | I am in Oslo |
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| 03:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | aha, going undercover in the masses |
| 03:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | they will spot you nevertheless |
| 03:59.28 | lolcat | Spotify works on 100kbit Oo |
| 03:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | my colleagues with the black sunglasses are damn cute when it comes to spotting people |
| 04:00.29 | lolcat | Is everyone else on my network now reciving my spotify data? |
| 04:00.40 | lolcat | On 77.17.161.* |
| 04:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | depends on what crappy router config your telenor mobile has set up for 77.16.0.0/14 |
| 04:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | by def aka RFC they should |
| 04:04.15 | DocScrutinizer | x.x.x.255 is always broadcast afaik |
| 04:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | broadcast means each NIC shall listen to those IP packets, and usually routers will distribute those IP addressed packets broadcast aka to all clients |
| 04:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | but actually I think x.x.x.255 isn't supposed to get routed from one subnet to another, but traceroute tells differently |
| 04:06.46 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: .255 isn't always broadcast ,no. it depends on the subnetmask |
| 04:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | probably because no router ever looks at lowest octet |
| 04:07.01 | SwedeMike | broadcast is the last address in the subnet. |
| 04:07.03 | nox- | thats also what i though |
| 04:07.04 | nox- | t |
| 04:07.07 | nox- | yep |
| 04:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: yes, right, but here subnetmask is /14 |
| 04:07.27 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: what? routers surely look at the last octet. |
| 04:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, ok |
| 04:07.51 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: yes, that means the broadcast is the last address, it doesn't mean all .255 is broadcast. |
| 04:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | yeah I see |
| 04:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | this is no /24 |
| 04:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | broadcast is 77.17.255.255 then |
| 04:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 04:08.46 | SwedeMike | no, 77.19.255.255 |
| 04:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | 77.16.0.0/14 |
| 04:09.20 | SwedeMike | yes, if it was a /15 then it would be 77.17.255.255 |
| 04:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | 77.16.0.0 - 77.17.255.255 |
| 04:09.28 | SwedeMike | then it's a /15, not a /14 |
| 04:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | says whois |
| 04:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | both |
| 04:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | inetnum: 77.16.0.0 - 77.17.255.255 |
| 04:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | netname: NO-MOBIL-BROADBAND |
| 04:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | route: 77.16.0.0/14 |
| 04:10.28 | SwedeMike | yes, I can do whois as well. |
| 04:10.49 | SwedeMike | but I'm sure no computers are connetced to that using a /14 subnetmask anyway, so what are you really after? |
| 04:10.56 | SwedeMike | it's nt going to be a huge broadcast network. |
| 04:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | looks like either of both details is odd |
| 04:11.19 | SwedeMike | no, it's perfectly fine. They have registered it as two /15 in RIPE, but it's announced to the internet as a /14 |
| 04:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | ahh ok |
| 04:13.01 | lolcat | SO then the ip isn't messing up my ssh? |
| 04:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: I'm not particularly interested at all in that topic, it's just lolcat made me laugh a lot with his ideas about using as much bandwidth as possible, just because he can |
| 04:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | and btw quite evidently that's not a WLAN connection I'd guess |
| 04:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: we suggested ssh for WLAN, not via public IP addr |
| 04:14.41 | lolcat | I told you guys I ahve a WLAN |
| 04:14.57 | lolcat | I am not allowed to use wlan in my studio appartment! |
| 04:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 04:16.21 | lolcat | And the D-Link has 24 gigabit ports, so I see no need for it! |
| 04:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | is your studio apartment in a dynamite factory, or a military equipment storage area? |
| 04:16.49 | lolcat | Not as far as I know |
| 04:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: sorry, your details decode and compose total random noise here |
| 04:18.21 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: i don't understand |
| 04:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | your IP is of mobile network, as in 2G/3G, you say you have WLAN, but you are not allowed to use it. Then you talk about a D-Link with 24 GB-ports which I decode as 1000BT ethernet cable |
| 04:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | CBA to figure any longer what'S your actual setup and problems, sorry |
| 04:19.31 | lolcat | I don't have wlan |
| 04:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-02-24 05:14:40] <lolcat> I told you guys I ahve a WLAN |
| 04:19.58 | lolcat | Oh, I forgott a 'don't' there... |
| 04:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | I forgot I'm AFK |
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| 04:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: you want to use WLAN to connect your phone to your PC, and I can't see whatever law or authority to forbid you doing that. If you aren't allowed to hook up a real AP to your gigabit D-Link - fine, then use the WiFi in your PC/laptop to crank up a local ad-hoc network with your N900. After you did that, sftp is just a snap, as is ssh both directions |
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| 04:39.30 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: On my last laptop that worked, then I fried the mobo/cpu :( |
| 04:39.35 | lolcat | This one is just weird |
| 04:40.54 | lolcat | HotSPot failed to start every time -.-" |
| 04:46.26 | lolcat | I need a new kernel |
| 04:46.33 | lolcat | What is titans? |
| 04:47.27 | marmoute | Huge people fighting olympus guys |
| 04:54.55 | hawaii_ | Need to submit patch for complete rotation. |
| 04:59.29 | lolcat | I managed to install the power kernel! |
| 04:59.39 | lolcat | But now I don't know what it is for |
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| 05:04.02 | HtheB | www.facepalm.org |
| 05:04.03 | Proteous | lol |
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| 05:04.10 | Proteous | MOAR POWAAA |
| 05:04.16 | Proteous | hence the name |
| 05:05.16 | lolcat | xterm crashed while installing the power kernel |
| 05:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 05:07.12 | lolcat | I don't think it is booting anymore :( |
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| 05:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | then I guess you messed something up. Probably you installed it via apt-get and missed one of the 3 mandatory packages |
| 05:09.07 | lolcat | There it booted, but it is slower |
| 05:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | no it's not |
| 05:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | HtheB: yeah |
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| 05:12.08 | lolcat | Is starhashenabler something I need? |
| 05:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | "I found this spraycan. It says `spray into exhaust pipe of your car'. How do I do that? I can't reach to the end of exhaust pipe. - - Now I cut off some of exhaust pipe and sprayed that stuff in, now what is it going to do?" |
| 05:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | "MEH, car's not starting!! :-/" |
| 05:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | "wait - it started but now it takes goes hlf the milage per gallon" |
| 05:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | s/takes // |
| 05:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: starhash enabler does exactly what's written in the package description: it enables network control codes like *#61# (ask for call redirection) |
| 05:16.40 | lolcat | Useless |
| 05:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | your comment - yes |
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| 05:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to finally sell NOLO-eraser for just 99ct on OVI. Obviously there will be people who will buy and even test it |
| 05:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | sell NOLO-restore 3 days later, for 99$ |
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| 05:22.47 | lolcat | NOLO? |
| 05:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: useless |
| 05:23.38 | lolcat | But even know the apt finishes the power kernel install properly it still doesn't use it |
| 05:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | so it's fine to get NOLO-eraser, read the instructions(!), and NOT start it |
| 05:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: RTFM |
| 05:25.19 | lolcat | apt-get install --reinstall -y kernel-power kernel-power-flasher |
| 05:25.19 | lolcat | reboot, and test again. |
| 05:25.23 | lolcat | Done that twice |
| 05:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | odds are next boot will fail, bootloop, reflash. You really shouldn't install things without knowing what you're doing |
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| 05:26.18 | lolcat | I know I need a kernel that supports NAT so I can run mobile hotspot |
| 05:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | so why don't you use HAM to install things? |
| 05:27.32 | lolcat | Never heard of it |
| 05:28.29 | lolcat | And the maemo forum is endless |
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| 05:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | installing hotspot via HAM afaik installs *all* needed parts of PK aitomatically |
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| 05:31.07 | lolcat | Hildon Application Manager |
| 05:31.23 | lolcat | I only have the normal application manager |
| 05:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's HAM |
| 05:32.29 | lolcat | That is how I installed Applixation Manager |
| 05:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | you once again don't make sense to me |
| 05:34.00 | lolcat | Doh |
| 05:34.10 | lolcat | That is how I installed Mobile Hotspot |
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| 05:39.18 | lolcat | I guess I need another power kernel to try |
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| 05:40.41 | DocScrutinizer | How I HATE this dsl-router! clock is fast, so it disconnects the 24h scheduled 1min downtime 4 minutes early, then syncs clock via NTPD and 4 min later disconnects again :-/ X-P |
| 05:42.06 | Proteous | lol |
| 05:42.30 | nox- | haha |
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| 05:44.12 | lolcat | Arrgh, now the power kernel is gone from HAL! |
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| 05:47.32 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer: |
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| 05:58.11 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ray+mcgovern+hillary+clinton irony. irony... |
| 06:03.02 | HtheB | pupnik: |
| 06:03.12 | HtheB | please vote for my live wallpaper |
| 06:03.17 | HtheB | if you like it, I will upload it :) |
| 06:03.57 | HtheB | at least if you're there :p |
| 06:05.49 | HtheB | meh, im going to sleep then :p |
| 06:05.50 | HtheB | nite |
| 06:06.19 | pupnik | hello |
| 06:06.33 | pupnik | i like live wps |
| 06:18.24 | lolcat | One last question from me today, if this works, is the overclocked kernel a powerkernel? |
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| 06:19.32 | Sc0rpius | overclocking = bad |
| 06:19.57 | Sc0rpius | you should read the forums and realize how many people have screwed up their N900 overcloking up to an unusable state |
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| 06:20.19 | lolcat | But I need a power kernel |
| 06:20.23 | pupnik | Sc0rpius: i missed those - broken n900s? |
| 06:20.24 | Sc0rpius | what for |
| 06:20.31 | lolcat | and the apt installation never worked |
| 06:20.33 | Sc0rpius | you can have a power kernel without overclocking though |
| 06:20.39 | lolcat | But I can't find it |
| 06:21.01 | lolcat | I found the 800 and 900mhz power kernel and it still has 4,5 years of warranty |
| 06:21.24 | Sc0rpius | I insist, you don't have to overclock with a power kerneol |
| 06:21.55 | lolcat | Can you link me to a power kernel? |
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| 06:22.11 | Sc0rpius | what's wrong with your HAM? |
| 06:22.16 | lolcat | I don't know |
| 06:22.31 | lolcat | But for some reason the power kernel disseapeared form there |
| 06:22.37 | lolcat | When I tried to install it with apt |
| 06:22.50 | lolcat | But when I do uname -F or whatever it shows the old kernel |
| 06:22.53 | Sc0rpius | maybe because you're looking for power kernel |
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| 06:22.57 | Sc0rpius | instead of "kernel-power" ? |
| 06:23.08 | lolcat | yes |
| 06:23.42 | Sc0rpius | kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel |
| 06:23.44 | Sc0rpius | it's there |
| 06:23.50 | Sc0rpius | apt-cache search kernel-power |
| 06:23.58 | lolcat | I did allready install it |
| 06:24.15 | Sc0rpius | then? |
| 06:24.16 | lolcat | apt-get install --reinstall -y kernel-power kernel-power-modules |
| 06:24.21 | lolcat | Still no new kernel |
| 06:24.31 | Sc0rpius | uname -a ? |
| 06:25.51 | lolcat | gotta boot again was waiting for it to get flashed |
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| 06:26.09 | Sc0rpius | did you install kernel-power-settings and kernel-power-flasher? |
| 06:26.35 | Sc0rpius | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power <--- read that please. |
| 06:26.57 | Sc0rpius | If the new kernel still doesn't boot up, try |
| 06:27.02 | Sc0rpius | apt-get install --reinstall -y kernel-power kernel-power-flasher |
| 06:27.51 | lolcat | What part of uname -a do you need? |
| 06:27.58 | lolcat | armv71 unknown |
| 06:28.10 | lolcat | 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 06:28.23 | lolcat | I guess the date doesn't mather |
| 06:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | and you don't need kernel-power-settings, in fact I discourage to install those |
| 06:29.22 | Sc0rpius | well yeah |
| 06:29.36 | lolcat | I installed it because I thougth it could work |
| 06:29.50 | lolcat | And I have doen the apt-get install --reinstall three times allready |
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| 06:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | but you missed the flasher part |
| 06:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | kernel-power-flasher |
| 06:30.17 | lolcat | Nope |
| 06:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I said "USE HAM!!" |
| 06:30.27 | lolcat | I did exactly what the wiki said |
| 06:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 06:30.46 | Sc0rpius | the wiki says kernel-power-FLASHER not modules |
| 06:30.47 | lolcat | HAM refused |
| 06:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | bs |
| 06:31.01 | lolcat | Sc0rpius: My memory of what I did is not that good |
| 06:31.21 | lolcat | Now I forgott what the ending of lib32 is so I can run the kernel flasher |
| 06:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | HAM thinks PK is installed because of you screwing it via apt-get |
| 06:31.47 | Sc0rpius | yeah I would uninstall it via HAM |
| 06:31.52 | Sc0rpius | and then install it via HAM |
| 06:32.04 | Sc0rpius | that should fix everything |
| 06:32.04 | lolcat | Even before, it said it was conflicting with maemo-kernel |
| 06:32.16 | lolcat | I asked how to solve it, nobody knew so I got it from apt |
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| 06:32.35 | Sc0rpius | do you have PR1.3? |
| 06:32.39 | lolcat | But I need to install a few packages in ubuntu, then I can flash it |
| 06:32.52 | lolcat | Sc0rpius: I don't belive I know what PR1.3 s |
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| 06:33.02 | Sc0rpius | I should go to sleep |
| 06:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah sure, you can flash it, then find it doesn't boot anymore, then come back here and moan a bit more |
| 06:33.38 | Sc0rpius | all I can think is HAM is telling you there's a conflict because you're downloading a kernel-power that requires a maemo-kernel newer than the one you have installed |
| 06:33.42 | Sc0rpius | because maybe you aren't in PR1.3 |
| 06:34.13 | lolcat | I update when it asks me |
| 06:34.17 | lolcat | I did earlier today |
| 06:34.23 | Sc0rpius | I still wonder why you need a power kernel |
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| 06:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | one thing's for sure, you now messed it up so nicely it becomes double-trouble to talk you out of that |
| 06:34.45 | Sc0rpius | I thought Kataroto was raided by Sony |
| 06:34.50 | Sc0rpius | err KaKaRoTo |
| 06:35.07 | Sc0rpius | yeah, but I think there's a way out: uninstall from HAM and reinstall from HAM |
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| 06:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | CBA |
| 06:35.38 | Sc0rpius | I still think the cool guys have omap1 |
| 06:35.43 | Sc0rpius | :) |
| 06:36.06 | Sc0rpius | the N900 is like a vintage car |
| 06:36.10 | lolcat | So the OC kernel isn't a power kernel? |
| 06:36.18 | Sc0rpius | you can put decals on it no problem but its best value is with its original engine |
| 06:36.34 | Sc0rpius | you want to overclock and fry the N900? |
| 06:37.03 | lolcat | I have a moron-insurance on it |
| 06:37.12 | lolcat | And a warranty |
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| 06:37.21 | lolcat | And the N950 is coming soon |
| 06:37.21 | Sc0rpius | you already void your warranty installing the power kernel |
| 06:37.24 | lolcat | Why not? |
| 06:37.30 | Sc0rpius | "Overclocking WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY. Your warranty does not cover running the device beyond the specifications. " |
| 06:37.46 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/24/android_phone_privacy_shocker/ |
| 06:37.48 | RST38h | yawns |
| 06:37.49 | lolcat | Sc0rpius: Nope, not the one that is by law in Norway. It goes under Normal usage. |
| 06:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA |
| 06:38.23 | Sc0rpius | heh |
| 06:38.25 | lolcat | And no manufactor/retailer is allowed to give a worse deal than the one by law |
| 06:38.26 | RST38h | ruskie: Well every time you log into a non-https site, you are sending data in the clear |
| 06:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: you're actually all the time close to triggering the troll-alert |
| 06:38.45 | RST38h | Doc: YOu mean,he has not yet triggered your troll alert? |
| 06:38.56 | RST38h | Doc: Because he is inmy /ignore list |
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| 06:39.02 | Sc0rpius | heh |
| 06:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sigh, +o you know :-/ |
| 06:39.43 | ruskie | RST38h, actually reading it might help... ;) |
| 06:39.49 | ruskie | not just the title ;) |
| 06:40.37 | RST38h | ruskie: I have read it. It says exactly what I've mentioned |
| 06:40.59 | ruskie | well it actually says that the apps are crap at respecting https where available |
| 06:41.06 | RST38h | ruskie: Facebook and Calendar not using HTTPS, you can sniff data, the undergreaduate DRAMA commences |
| 06:41.26 | ruskie | fecesbook set to always use https not using https |
| 06:41.40 | Sc0rpius | fecesbook haha |
| 06:41.40 | RST38h | ruskie: Do you always use https on the desktop, when the site offers it? |
| 06:42.18 | ruskie | Sc0rpius, not my invention... just borrowing it... |
| 06:42.21 | ruskie | RST38h, yes |
| 06:42.23 | Sc0rpius | it's funny anyway :) |
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| 06:42.52 | ruskie | RST38h, also I rarely use third party sites for anything personal generally |
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| 06:43.21 | ruskie | anything that I want to post online generally happens to get posted on a system that I have control of... |
| 06:44.13 | RST38h | ruskie: same here |
| 06:45.07 | RST38h | ruskie: lots of people do not understand this little detail of what they are doing, so articles like this are always a "shock" to them :) |
| 06:45.29 | lolcat | Invalid FIASCO file header |
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| 06:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: do yourself and us a favour, sell your N900 *now*, and get a iPhone |
| 06:50.54 | lolcat | *pukes* |
| 06:51.03 | lolcat | What is titan's kernel?! And where is it? |
| 06:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: +o or -o, I think I can't handle it any other way now |
| 06:54.21 | ruskie | RST38h, the funnest part of that article is... use an encrypted wireless network... so apparently that ensures that the whole path is encrypted... |
| 06:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: indeed |
| 06:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | though OTOH you know the endpoint is NOT encrypting your data |
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| 06:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, who cares in times of facebook and cloud computing |
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| 07:04.32 | lolcat | Well, now I tried unistalling with the HAM but now it says I have no programs installed |
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| 07:26.32 | lolcat | Now I managed to get HAM to make it work |
| 07:26.36 | lolcat | I installed the power kernel |
| 07:26.41 | lolcat | But I still have oamp |
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| 07:30.33 | jacekowski | luke-jr: i think size of home was modified to be 4G |
| 07:31.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | ?? |
| 07:31.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | where? |
| 07:31.18 | jacekowski | 02:43 < luke-jr> jacekowski: any reason your VANILLA image doesn't match the MD5? |
| 07:31.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 07:32.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder if we could get additional partitions as well |
| 07:32.30 | jacekowski | i've looked at that format |
| 07:32.32 | jacekowski | and yes |
| 07:32.38 | lolcat | I wonder if I could get a single non-stock working kernel... |
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| 07:32.52 | jacekowski | but i'm not sure how to modify it |
| 07:32.56 | lolcat | Now flasher-3.5 works, but I don't have a kernel image |
| 07:33.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, looks easy, but I wonder why we got no tools to prepare custom eMMC images |
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| 07:35.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | I also wonder why flasher is closed |
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| 07:42.36 | lolcat | I know why it doesnt work! |
| 07:43.00 | lolcat | I have a custom bootloader (to run android), wont it start the normal kernel? |
| 07:44.53 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: I diagnosed my own problem! Ammen't I good? |
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| 08:15.21 | lolcat | Now I can't uninstall the new kernel and it won't boot it :( |
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| 08:31.19 | lolcat | I HAZ powerkernel! |
| 08:31.28 | ruskie | I HAZ ownkernel!! |
| 08:32.00 | lolcat | Oo |
| 08:32.07 | lolcat | You wrote a kernel? |
| 08:32.19 | lolcat | Can I overclock it to 601? |
| 08:32.27 | ruskie | lol... |
| 08:32.41 | lolcat | I wish it was 400 stocl |
| 08:32.43 | ruskie | recompiled the base kernel to have most of the normal features that I expect... |
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| 08:32.53 | lolcat | Then I could oc to 404 |
| 08:33.07 | ruskie | have a ton of modules added |
| 08:33.10 | ruskie | and fbcon |
| 08:33.24 | lolcat | fbcon? As in facebook? |
| 08:33.36 | lolcat | OO, now I can increase the cpu speed ALOT |
| 08:34.51 | lolcat | How long will it run at 1150? |
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| 08:37.07 | ruskie | lolcat, 0.00005s ;) |
| 08:37.16 | ruskie | lolcat, framebuffer console... |
| 08:37.29 | ruskie | fb was short for framebuffer long before fecesbook came along |
| 08:37.51 | lolcat | What is a framebuffer console? do I want one? |
| 08:37.54 | lolcat | Probably not |
| 08:37.59 | ruskie | good answer ;) |
| 08:38.01 | lolcat | but HAM is dead now :( |
| 08:38.11 | ruskie | ham is crap... always was |
| 08:38.25 | lolcat | What is the package name for mobile hotspot? |
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| 09:10.28 | divan | What is the common practice of storing localization files for Qt apps on Maemo? Where should I put it? Any examples/docs? |
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| 09:30.53 | psycho_oreos | timeless_w7ip, ping |
| 09:33.23 | timeless_w7ip | pong |
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| 09:34.05 | divan | Does anyone knows Qt app for maemo with translations/localization? |
| 09:35.36 | psycho_oreos | timeless_w7ip, mind if I borrow your head for a bit? trying to get a firefox plugin to work with microb, I can't seem to find xulrunner sources except for some portions sitting inside microb-engine-dev. If that is supposed to be the xulrunner it seems now I am missing ejdk sources |
| 09:35.58 | timeless_w7ip | ejdk isn't gecko related... |
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| 09:36.32 | psycho_oreos | hmm but I can't proceed with getting microb compiled without some java header files |
| 09:36.56 | timeless_w7ip | microb-engine-dev should be roughly equivalent to the headers that could pontentially be provided by xulrunner |
| 09:37.13 | psycho_oreos | well at least my main point is that I want to get xulrunner working with microb so then I can compile the addon (which depends on xulrunner) to make it work |
| 09:38.10 | psycho_oreos | wait, I meant that I don't have xulrunner sources, I only have xulrunner binaries which I doubt microb depends on and the addon probably cannot be compiled against it |
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| 09:50.48 | isfr21 | Hey i'm in desperate need of help. I'm in a different country for a few days and my N900 broke. It happened when I've updated to latest CSSU and then updated the transitions.ini to force autorotate now my phone just reboot and gets to the desktop scren and is stuck there and keeps rebooting. Seems like its killing Hildon-desktop everytme.and |
| 09:51.08 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 09:51.09 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:51.39 | SpeedEvil | If you screw up the format of transitions.ini, that will happen, I think |
| 09:51.40 | isfr21 | i dont want to anyway to access phone while off connected to my mac and just removing the transitions file? |
| 09:51.44 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 09:52.01 | SpeedEvil | Yu can't touch the root filesystem that way, only mydocs |
| 09:52.14 | isfr21 | damn, anyway to backup using flasher? |
| 09:52.58 | SpeedEvil | It may ebe possile to boot into another OS - I've no idea how that works |
| 09:53.03 | SpeedEvil | and no |
| 09:53.24 | psycho_oreos | there's oss-backup for that as well as maybe backupmenu v2 as well |
| 09:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Don't they require installation first? |
| 09:54.13 | psycho_oreos | s/oss-backup/osso-backup/ |
| 09:55.01 | psycho_oreos | and no osso-backup doesn't its standard but whatever other 3rd party apps that you may have got which aren't inside the usual 4 standard repositories may need to be manually added and/or installed separately. |
| 09:55.05 | isfr21 | Alright, thanks a lot for your help everyone. Can anyone point me into right direction on how to install anther os |
| 09:55.45 | SpeedEvil | Flashing will not wipe out user data. |
| 09:55.48 | SpeedEvil | If it's on /'home |
| 09:56.06 | SpeedEvil | and you don't flash that bit |
| 09:56.14 | psycho_oreos | depends on which file you used to flash, fiasco doesn't but emmc will.. and emmc will also erase stuff in /home/user/MyDocs |
| 09:57.42 | isfr21 | I'm more concerned on the Rootfs data. I haven't backed up recently and not in mood to reinstall and customize everything to my liking again when it's only one file that is causing the reboot |
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| 10:01.33 | isfr21 | Any suggestions? |
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| 10:03.14 | dschoepe | I'm trying to get easydebian to run, but after installing the image which completes successfully, starting the chroot causes lots of Input/output errors when it tries to mount /dev etc.. |
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| 10:03.41 | dschoepe | Also, there are a lot of "attempt to access beyond the end of the device"-errors in dmesg, that refer to the image mounted via /dev/loop0 |
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| 10:06.18 | SpeedEvil | isfr21: Maybe ask later, when more people are awake |
| 10:07.10 | dschoepe | hmm, apparently that only happens when I try to install it in MyDocs, not on my sdcard. Does this indicate a hardware defect? |
| 10:07.41 | jacekowski | dschoepe: it may be not enough space |
| 10:07.45 | jacekowski | dschoepe: or something like that |
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| 10:08.03 | jacekowski | dschoepe: and that causes loop file to be truncated |
| 10:08.32 | dschoepe | jacekowski: there should be enough space (on MyDocs). I also umounted MyDocs and ran fsck, and it didn't find any errors. |
| 10:08.50 | jacekowski | how big is your loop file? |
| 10:09.00 | dschoepe | around 2G |
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| 10:09.04 | jacekowski | because it looks like it's truncated or something |
| 10:09.10 | jacekowski | or damaged in other way |
| 10:09.23 | jacekowski | try copying the one from sd card to mydocs |
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| 10:09.54 | Khertan1 | Morning |
| 10:10.03 | dschoepe | hmm, I tried that with a file a decompressed on my desktop once, is it normal that this took 4 hours? |
| 10:10.15 | dschoepe | the copying that is |
| 10:10.15 | jacekowski | hmm, not really 4h |
| 10:10.22 | jacekowski | but around hmm, |
| 10:10.28 | jacekowski | hour maybe 2 |
| 10:10.52 | dschoepe | hmm, I'll try again |
| 10:14.05 | Khertan1 | someone know if there is an updated git version for maemo ... |
| 10:14.17 | Khertan1 | the one in repository didn't have git pull |
| 10:14.18 | Khertan1 | :) |
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| 10:21.08 | ruskie | Khertan1, you sure about that? |
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| 10:31.30 | corecode | hi |
| 10:32.20 | corecode | what qt libs should I use for audio output? somehow qtmobility/multimediakit doesn't work |
| 10:32.33 | Khertan1 | ruskie: i'm sure :) |
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| 10:34.55 | Khertan1 | File upload error. You didn't upload a valid .changes file. |
| 10:34.56 | Khertan1 | pffff |
| 10:37.48 | Khertan1 | ruskie: ok .. there is two git package |
| 10:37.52 | Khertan1 | git-core & git |
| 10:37.58 | Khertan1 | git-core have pull |
| 10:38.06 | Khertan1 | while git didn't have |
| 10:38.07 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 10:38.10 | ruskie | erm... git-core is actual git |
| 10:38.34 | Khertan1 | ruskie: git-core is newer than git, but not actual : 1.6.6 |
| 10:38.38 | Khertan1 | actual is 1.7.6 |
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| 10:40.04 | ruskie | Khertan1, actually git atleast in debian used to be gnuit... |
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| 10:40.24 | ruskie | iirc |
| 10:40.57 | dschoepe | ruskie: gnuit seems to be something different: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuit/ |
| 10:41.09 | Khertan1 | gnuit is something else : http://packages.debian.org/sid/gnuit |
| 10:41.14 | ruskie | dschoepe, yes... but it used to be called git under debian at some older version |
| 10:43.08 | ruskie | not 100% sure but that's what I recall when I was searching for git in the repos a few years ago |
| 10:44.27 | ruskie | of course might not have been debian but some other distro |
| 10:47.38 | ruskie | http://alban.apinc.org/blog/2010/09/15/d-bus-in-the-kernel-faster/ <-- interesting |
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| 11:08.43 | edheldil | ruskie: that's the reason the git package is called git-core on debian :) |
| 11:08.50 | edheldil | at least I think so |
| 11:09.05 | ruskie | edheldil, yeah |
| 11:09.43 | corecode | fwiw, i had to use qtmultimedia |
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| 11:14.04 | Biblio_peb | Hi guys .. quick question: where is this nifty Call-recorder widget for the N900? I had it on the machine, was using it and suddenly it dissappeared. And I can't find it for re-install .. |
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| 11:16.11 | nid0 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/recaller/2.0.0-7/ |
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| 11:19.41 | Biblio_peb | funny .. I've that repo in my selection, but can't find recaller. Perhas the catalog got corrupted, I'll try and remove/reinsert it, let's see ... |
| 11:19.51 | Biblio_peb | (thanks nid0) |
| 11:19.58 | Biblio_peb | http://maemo. |
| 11:19.58 | Biblio_peb | +org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/recaller/2.0. |
| 11:19.58 | Biblio_peb | +0-7/ |
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| 12:09.41 | reenignEesreveR | why can't n900 be used for gsm sniffing |
| 12:09.42 | reenignEesreveR | ? |
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| 12:14.00 | andre__ | reenignEesreveR, first hit on google: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44108 |
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| 12:16.19 | reenignEesreveR | andre__, i've gone through the link already but it still doesn't clarify why it isn't possible? because the GSM processor doesn't alllow promiscuous mode or what? |
| 12:19.12 | SpeedEvil | It's basically because GSM is not wifi. |
| 12:19.31 | SpeedEvil | The GSM protocol is spread over hundreds of channels. |
| 12:19.38 | SpeedEvil | And the radio can only listen on one at once. |
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| 12:21.05 | MohammadAG | Sony took down my PSFreedom gitorious repository :/ |
| 12:21.25 | MohammadAG | it's a damn UI |
| 12:22.55 | lolcat | MohammadAG: I hate sony, I need linux on it |
| 12:23.35 | MohammadAG | I don't, I made a UI for PSFreedom, whether that is illegal or not is not my problem |
| 12:23.59 | kerio | lolcat: why did you buy a ps3 then |
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| 12:24.37 | MohammadAG | can I sue if i'm under 18? |
| 12:24.55 | kerio | you can send a counternotice to gitorious |
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| 12:26.15 | lolcat | kerio: I got it for free |
| 12:27.01 | runejuhl | MohammadAG, if you haven't found it yet, have a look at http://www.chillingeffects.org/question.cgi?QuestionID=132 |
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| 12:50.52 | pupnik | note to everyone - do not travel in or out of the US carrying laptops, usb drives, or cell phones |
| 12:50.55 | pupnik | http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/09/manning |
| 12:51.02 | pupnik | including your N900 or whatever |
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| 12:53.19 | SpeedEvil | http://www.lawyers.com/our-blog/archives/624-Cell-Phone-Computer-in-Sentencing-Sex-Offender.html is also worrying. |
| 12:53.37 | SpeedEvil | Use a 'computer' in the commission of a crime, and the sentance is enhanced. |
| 12:53.53 | SpeedEvil | And computer has a really, really wide definition, easily encompassing smartphones. |
| 12:54.24 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 12:54.32 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was a general computer misuse proposition. |
| 12:55.09 | SpeedEvil | On further reading, I find it's a grooming offence. |
| 12:55.17 | pupnik | there's no reason that using a cellphone to assist in a crime changes the nature of the crime |
| 12:55.25 | pupnik | so yes, that's retarded as well |
| 12:55.37 | RST38h | Why, it changes the crime to hitech. Hitech is cool! |
| 12:55.43 | SpeedEvil | It depends if the phone has sharp corners or not. |
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| 12:57.11 | jacekowski | pupnik: encrypt it |
| 12:57.44 | SpeedEvil | the term âcomputerâ means an electronic, magnetic, optical, electrochemical, or other high speed data processing device performing logical, arithmetic, or storage functions, and includes any data storage facility or communications facility directly related to or operating in conjunction with such device, but such term does not include an automated typewriter or typesetter, a portable hand held calculator, or other similar device; |
| 12:58.16 | SpeedEvil | That's washing machines and credit cards, and SIMs, and microwaves, and ... |
| 12:58.24 | pupnik | jacekowski: you still lose your expensive hardware |
| 12:59.35 | nid0 | well under that definition it also includes cd's and floppy disks... |
| 13:00.51 | SpeedEvil | Not quite. A CD and floppy is not 'operating in conjunction' |
| 13:01.05 | SpeedEvil | unless it's connected to a 'high speed data processing device' |
| 13:01.19 | lolcat | Is my toaster a computer? |
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| 13:01.45 | jacekowski | pupnik: yeah, i've just read it |
| 13:01.45 | SpeedEvil | It may be. It's probably not - though I wouldn't be surprised if the higher end models were. |
| 13:01.59 | nid0 | its directly related to *or* operating in conjunction with, though, and you can easily argue that a CD is a storage facility that both directly relates to and is used in conjunction with a pc |
| 13:02.01 | jacekowski | pupnik: just make sure you have exploding battery in your laptop |
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| 13:02.10 | SpeedEvil | Bear in mind that a $.25 component these days is enough to count as a 'high speed data processing device' |
| 13:02.28 | SpeedEvil | (a PIC 10F microcontroller) |
| 13:02.32 | SpeedEvil | For example. |
| 13:02.33 | jacekowski | is a transistor a data processing device |
| 13:02.35 | jacekowski | and if not |
| 13:02.40 | nid0 | my electric toothbrush does some clever shit varying its speed, that must have a chip in it |
| 13:02.41 | jacekowski | when it does become one |
| 13:02.54 | nid0 | I wonder if beating someone over the head with it would get me a computer misuse charge |
| 13:03.06 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Perhaps - it's slightly harder to argue that it is, than a micro with a stored program, registers, and a fast ALU. |
| 13:03.25 | jacekowski | you're saying that pic is fast? |
| 13:06.06 | SpeedEvil | It is fast, compared to doing it by hand. |
| 13:06.30 | SpeedEvil | It can probably do over a million adds a second, for example. |
| 13:06.50 | SpeedEvil | Which I'm damn sure I could convince any jury is 'high speed'. |
| 13:07.48 | jacekowski | million monkeys can do million adds a second |
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| 13:08.20 | lolcat | Infite monkeys would be infinitly wrong |
| 13:08.37 | lolcat | But if they where to write MS would their copyrigth still apply? |
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| 13:22.59 | sivang | hi all |
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| 13:23.18 | sivang | a dear soul once pasted here link to a script to make maemo more responsive, has anybody that link to share again? |
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| 13:23.35 | sivang | google is unhelpful as usual, and finding through the forums is a bit troublesome. |
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| 13:23.50 | sivang | the script tweaked it to not do so much swapping |
| 13:23.59 | sivang | and I think it was not related to increasing the swap |
| 13:24.06 | sivang | (or maybe it was? I can't remember ;)) |
| 13:24.39 | Khertan1 | sivang: use swapolube :) |
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| 13:25.01 | sivang | Khertan1: maybe it was you that pasted the link to that script on wiki / forum ? :) |
| 13:25.08 | Khertan1 | nope :) |
| 13:25.13 | sivang | Khertan1: you have a link to swapolube? |
| 13:25.17 | Khertan1 | but swapolube est a bit the same |
| 13:25.25 | Khertan1 | with a gui if you want one |
| 13:25.50 | pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Swappolube so cool |
| 13:25.50 | Khertan1 | sivang: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/swappolube/0.4-1/ |
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| 13:26.11 | Khertan1 | hum there is more recent version : http://maemo.org/packages/view/swappolube/ |
| 13:26.12 | Khertan1 | :) |
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| 13:26.41 | Khertan1 | http://moff.mozilla.com/latest-beta/maemo/multi/dists/fremantle/release/binary-armel/ <<< grrrr still no Packages file pfff |
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| 13:28.13 | Venemo_N900 | khertan: it's not reallyworth it, fennec is still not very good |
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| 13:30.52 | Khertan1 | Venemo_N900: maybe, but just want to try the beta5 |
| 13:30.53 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 13:31.23 | Khertan1 | maybe i should made my own browser base on WebKit :) |
| 13:31.41 | Venemo_N900 | khertan: :P |
| 13:31.55 | Venemo_N900 | khertan: or make a webkit-based browserd backend |
| 13:33.01 | Khertan1 | Venemo_N900: hum ... is it possible to do it in python , |
| 13:33.02 | Khertan1 | ? |
| 13:33.02 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 13:33.19 | Venemo_N900 | khertan: i dunno a thing about python |
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| 13:35.31 | Khertan1 | does there is api/specs about browserd backend |
| 13:35.33 | Khertan1 | ? |
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| 13:38.17 | Khertan1 | Venemo_N900: hum ... fennec is slow ... due to a large ram use |
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| 13:42.26 | Khertan1 | rah ... khtsync is completely bugged |
| 13:42.28 | Khertan1 | pfff |
| 13:44.25 | sivang | Khertan1: thanks, trying to find it in holdon-app-manager |
| 13:45.23 | sivang | hey Venemo_N900 , you looked for me the other day |
| 13:45.59 | sivang | holds on for app manager |
| 13:46.25 | Khertan1 | never use HAM, but apt in xterm ... really faster ;) |
| 13:46.46 | sivang | Khertan1: but then there are those issues with package dependencuies, /opt getting filled and all that jazz |
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| 13:47.45 | sivang | still waits |
| 13:48.23 | sivang | ah! |
| 13:48.25 | sivang | thank god |
| 13:48.31 | sivang | searches for swalpolube |
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| 13:49.13 | sivang | conflicting application package? |
| 13:49.14 | sivang | bah |
| 13:49.17 | sivang | drops to shell |
| 13:49.55 | sivang | does it require pr1.3? |
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| 13:52.17 | sivang | thinks of taking the pr1.3 upgrade OTA |
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| 13:56.58 | pupnik | "WiFi has gone down at #Assange hearing, pushing about 100 reporters to the verge of tears." lol |
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| 14:00.44 | Dassu | sucks that assangee is now in gaylandia called sweden |
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| 14:01.45 | Dassu | hmmm #maemo..... guess this is a wrong place to say something like that |
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| 14:03.59 | pupnik | apparently he has 7 days to appeal |
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| 14:15.05 | janosi | hi there |
| 14:15.10 | janosi | I have a problem |
| 14:15.19 | janosi | my n900 doesn't boot anymore |
| 14:15.35 | janosi | if I plug in charger |
| 14:16.05 | janosi | the orange light starts but after a bit it becomes white |
| 14:16.14 | janosi | and after it stops |
| 14:16.30 | janosi | it becomes orange again etc |
| 14:16.45 | janosi | there is also a vibration and I can see the nokia logo |
| 14:16.49 | janosi | but that's all |
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| 14:20.00 | dschoepe | Does EasyDebian really only allow for about 1G of additional packages to be installed and all the free space is basically "wasted" in /home/user/MyDocs? |
| 14:21.11 | jacekowski | dschoepe: yes |
| 14:21.16 | jacekowski | but you can extend it |
| 14:22.02 | dschoepe | So I'd basically have to create another image file and mount that via loopback under /usr (in the debian installation)? |
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| 14:22.15 | dschoepe | but wouldn't that cause problems since there already are files under /usr/? |
| 14:23.05 | dschoepe | also, would it be safe to re-format MyDocs with a sane file system like ext3? |
| 14:24.50 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: my eMMC has multiple partitions, hence why I don't really want to flash it :P |
| 14:25.11 | RST38h | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Linuxaudio.png |
| 14:25.22 | RST38h | cackles with especially evil glee looking at this one |
| 14:25.41 | RST38h | But the picture really needs author names/emails |
| 14:26.53 | pupnik | janosi: i would try http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
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| 14:28.34 | dschoepe | jacekowski: How would I extend it? Do I really to have to create a completely new image and copy the old contents over to that or is there a simpler way? |
| 14:28.58 | janosi | pupnik, thx |
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| 14:31.55 | janosi | pupnik, if I have the .deb of a kernel, can I flash it from the console? |
| 14:36.13 | pupnik | janosi: i only know how to flash using 'flasher' program |
| 14:36.22 | janosi | kk |
| 14:36.26 | janosi | thx anyway :) |
| 14:38.27 | till| | isn't a .deb file supposed to be installed by dpkg or apt? |
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| 14:57.49 | janosi | pupnik, I reflashed just the kernel and now works thx |
| 14:58.55 | pupnik | janosi: but why did the problem happen ... perhaps the onboard memory is unreliable |
| 14:59.09 | janosi | pupnik, yesterday I overclocked |
| 14:59.22 | janosi | and before I try a custom kernel |
| 14:59.27 | janosi | tried* |
| 14:59.32 | pupnik | mhm |
| 15:00.03 | janosi | I got also the error message: malfunction device shutdown in 10s n900 |
| 15:00.23 | janosi | anyway I tried the overclock just for a few minutes |
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| 15:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's fine with me, I haven't suggested to flash it |
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| 15:27.30 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 15:27.48 | javispedro | morning |
| 15:28.29 | neal | What modem (model) is in the N900? |
| 15:29.21 | javispedro | MohammadAG: did I hear gitorious has removed your ps3 repo? |
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| 15:30.51 | luke-jr | having trouble backing up stuff :/ |
| 15:30.54 | luke-jr | N900 keeps rebooting |
| 15:32.00 | javispedro | luke-jr: if you have any kind of weird partition layout I quite suggest not using any automated tool and just cp -r what you can |
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| 15:32.21 | luke-jr | javispedro: I'm using rsync |
| 15:32.26 | luke-jr | wait no |
| 15:32.28 | luke-jr | tar :p |
| 15:32.37 | luke-jr | maybe I should be using rsync so it doesn't have to start over all the time |
| 15:33.48 | javispedro | I would start with cp -r and do home folder first, then etc, then ... |
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| 15:37.04 | luke-jr | javispedro: it's /media/gentoo that's big |
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| 15:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | neal: BB5 RAPUYAMA |
| 15:39.33 | OkropNick | I have an annoying problem with N900. Sometimes calendar stops reminding about events. No popup, no sound. Does someone know solution for this issue? |
| 15:40.15 | luke-jr | OkropNick: nope, that really pissed me off when I had to wake up every 3 hours at night to feed my baby (who otherwise slept through the night when she wasn't old enough to handle it) |
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| 15:40.39 | luke-jr | pretty much was told not to rely on N900 and find another alarm clock |
| 15:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | WUT?? |
| 15:40.59 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: weren't you here? :P |
| 15:41.02 | OkropNick | lucent_: thanks |
| 15:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 15:41.14 | OkropNick | luke-jr: thanks |
| 15:41.24 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: is there a solution? not that it helps me at this point⦠maybe it can help OkropNick |
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| 15:41.53 | OkropNick | it would be nice |
| 15:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | I never heard about that. I'd think some process died and needs restart |
| 15:42.13 | luke-jr | well, in my case, the alarm would go off as soon as I touched the screen |
| 15:42.17 | luke-jr | or otherwise interacted with it |
| 15:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | so first task: find out which process is it that misbehaves |
| 15:42.30 | OkropNick | If I would know what to restart, I could even put it to fcron |
| 15:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 15:42.48 | luke-jr | so it's like it has trouble getting out of a deep sleep state |
| 15:43.03 | luke-jr | OkropNick: is yours doing it when you touch? |
| 15:43.15 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: mce |
| 15:43.22 | luke-jr | mce? |
| 15:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~mce |
| 15:43.30 | infobot | MCE = Machine Check Exception. Mode Control Entity |
| 15:43.35 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 15:43.44 | OkropNick | luke-jr: no, usualy after 2 days after reboot alarms are stopping to popup and making sounds |
| 15:43.53 | luke-jr | oh, weird |
| 15:44.06 | luke-jr | pretty sure mine always worked as soon as I used it O.o |
| 15:44.23 | luke-jr | I never have the problem anymore, so mine might be "solved" by leaving wifi on |
| 15:44.30 | OkropNick | maybe someone know what to restart? |
| 15:44.31 | luke-jr | (which would have killed the battery back then) |
| 15:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | OkropNick: you can try if fcron or alarmed are more reliable |
| 15:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | (schedule some play-sound task) |
| 15:46.58 | OkropNick | I'm thinging how to check which process is responsible for alarm in N900 |
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| 15:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | if that works, then maybe include a full ps to that play-sound job, to find the stalled process |
| 15:47.44 | OkropNick | If I would know that, I would force to restarting it for example every hour |
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| 15:48.01 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 15:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I see. But it's non-trivial to know what exactly locked up |
| 15:48.27 | OkropNick | ok... |
| 15:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | could be everything from kernel kswapd to hildon-desktop - well not really if there are no other problems same time |
| 15:49.45 | OkropNick | Ok. Other question. Is there any hope, that after Nokia marriage with Microsoft there will be bug fixes for N900? |
| 15:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I have no clue what's firing off an alarm at end of chain |
| 15:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~cssu |
| 15:50.08 | infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 15:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | so yes, there's hope |
| 15:50.52 | Venemo | hi |
| 15:50.57 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: hope for what? |
| 15:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-02-24 16:49:45] <OkropNick> Ok. Other question. Is there any hope, that after Nokia marriage with Microsoft there will be bug fixes for N900? |
| 15:51.40 | OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: thank you |
| 15:51.42 | Venemo | oh |
| 15:51.59 | Venemo | there is a saying about this. "Hope dies last" |
| 15:52.19 | Venemo | there is hope, but I see no real chance |
| 15:55.16 | OkropNick | I'll wait for stable version of cssu |
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| 16:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | OkropNick: there's still rumours that there might come a maemo6 version, maybe also for N900 |
| 16:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess it adds on the number of bugs, rather than fix a lot |
| 16:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | *if* it ever comes |
| 16:07.08 | OkropNick | :) |
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| 16:07.30 | timeless_w7ip | please don't spread rumors |
| 16:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | why? can I stp rollout this way? then I'll happily continue |
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| 16:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | meego-HE-m6 is my nightmare |
| 16:09.48 | E0x | heh |
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| 16:11.01 | pupnik | so what's the verdict now that people have been overclocking for a few months? |
| 16:11.18 | pupnik | very bad idea? sort of bad idea? |
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| 16:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | it's going to set maemo train from a nice closed loop to a rail ending on a bridge not yet built, with a sign saying "might get finished eventually" |
| 16:12.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: such bridge crossing a valley at the bottom of which there's Steve Ballmer waiting for us. |
| 16:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | sort of bad, pupnik |
| 16:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | my imagination of hell |
| 16:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ^^ |
| 16:13.27 | javispedro | developers developers developers! |
| 16:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | spits out his coffee |
| 16:14.34 | javispedro | tries to figure out which kind of "timestamp" does liblocation give |
| 16:14.39 | javispedro | is it gps time? unix time? |
| 16:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | ask SpeedEvil and luke-jr |
| 16:15.30 | E0x | javispedro: google say: |
| 16:15.32 | E0x | Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 15 seconds. |
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| 16:16.22 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: talking of the devil, just received "You are invited to take part in this survey from the Windows® Embedded Division of Microsoft." ;P |
| 16:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | just got informed my mailserver got rooted |
| 16:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | well the server where's my account |
| 16:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-o >:-((( |
| 16:17.54 | pupnik | that's not good |
| 16:17.59 | javispedro | did you store mail there? |
| 16:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | GBs |
| 16:18.24 | DocScrutinizer | that's my hope, it's just too much |
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| 16:19.02 | javispedro | :P |
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| 16:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | ototh I'm not really shure what that friggin imap does when every single mail gets moved from my local imap folder to local-unrelated |
| 16:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | isn't that like deleting stuff on server? |
| 16:21.28 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: nfc on liblocation bs |
| 16:22.00 | javispedro | luke-jr: but afai guess liblocation data should be similar to raw modem data |
| 16:23.17 | javispedro | hm |
| 16:23.30 | javispedro | I'll read the isi modem docs |
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| 16:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: a lot of apps know what format time in liblocation has. Can't you check source? |
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| 16:24.31 | javispedro | they do not seem to care, so maybe it's already converted to plain unix time |
| 16:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | maybe except leap seconds |
| 16:24.53 | javispedro | I am tryign to guess if I need to do add/remove any leap seconds |
| 16:24.58 | javispedro | yep |
| 16:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: leap seconds are transmitted by GPS, so if you have to take them into account, liblocation MUST expose the actual value |
| 16:26.43 | javispedro | liblocation does NOT expose them |
| 16:27.02 | javispedro | so you guess it's already plain unix time... |
| 16:27.06 | javispedro | hm |
| 16:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | then either it's plain correct time, or libloc has a severe flaw |
| 16:27.13 | javispedro | well, I'm being stupid, why I juts don't check this |
| 16:27.28 | javispedro | there should be a ~14 second diff iirc |
| 16:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I was wondering as well |
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| 16:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | 15, says wiki/ E0x |
| 16:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | I recall 3 years ago it's been 12 |
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| 16:33.27 | javispedro | yeah, precomputed |
| 16:33.49 | javispedro | thanks .... :P |
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| 16:50.45 | javispedro | this one application I am trying to communicate with interprets gps time suddenly becoming 0 as "having travelled to 1989", thus generating 20 year track logs |
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| 16:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha |
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| 16:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | are they least-significant byte first too? |
| 16:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | so yiu can read them from end to start |
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| 17:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | OTOH I guess 0 is a valid unix timestamp, so probably a flaw in liblocation which should set value to -NAN- aka -1, or whatever |
| 17:02.06 | javispedro | yeah, liblocation actually does have such a valid bit, however this app doesn't |
| 17:02.21 | javispedro | so I'll just keep repeating latest valid time when liblocation loses it |
| 17:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | even better, use systime |
| 17:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 17:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | should be good enough as long as you sync it to valid GPS timestamps |
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| 17:04.13 | javispedro | this reminds me I need to test if liblocation uses sys time, which means I'm wasting my time. |
| 17:04.42 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for your help. |
| 17:04.46 | SpeedEvil | liblocation must also show GPS time. |
| 17:05.12 | SpeedEvil | As - for example - some GPS apps sync the local system clock to GPS when you start them. |
| 17:05.39 | SpeedEvil | My n900 is not synced to the network, as t-mobile (UK) doesn't seem to do that. |
| 17:05.41 | SpeedEvil | jonnylamb_: |
| 17:05.42 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 17:06.27 | luke-jr | lol |
| 17:06.28 | javispedro | ok, good point. |
| 17:06.40 | timeless_w7ip | speedevil: there was talk about possibly supporting gps-time for maemo6 |
| 17:06.45 | timeless_w7ip | i'm not sure what happened to it. |
| 17:06.56 | timeless_w7ip | as for network time, there's a checkbox for that in the clock settings |
| 17:07.31 | SpeedEvil | timeless_w7ip: Sure - but see also my comment on that bug. |
| 17:07.53 | SpeedEvil | T-mobile sends something like 00/00/00/00 and the clock thingy barfs to syslog |
| 17:07.55 | javispedro | fsck |
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| 17:08.19 | javispedro | er.. sorry. |
| 17:08.52 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember what he saw rthat DocScrutinizer would be interested in. |
| 17:09.13 | SpeedEvil | needs more RAM. |
| 17:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a honeypot tripwire IDS with antrax? |
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| 17:10.54 | SpeedEvil | Naah. |
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| 17:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | feels nausea from main volume mail account being down |
| 17:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | decides that's the perfect reason for boozetime |
| 17:13.10 | SpeedEvil | DAB radio reception on freerunner. |
| 17:13.22 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/24/microsoft_bricking_lesson_for_nokia/ <-- hehe... apparently the wp7 update was just a notification... lol it's quite sad actually |
| 17:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | duh? wut? |
| 17:13.47 | SpeedEvil | http://openmokast.org/using-openmokast.html |
| 17:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on a DAB-stick attached to USB I guess |
| 17:13.58 | SpeedEvil | In principle should work on n900 too. |
| 17:13.59 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:14.05 | hopbeat | is there someone who could recompile power-kernel with additional modules for me? |
| 17:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | hopbeat: you schould be able to compile the modules only, for the matching PK. No need to compile everything new just to add a module |
| 17:15.49 | hopbeat | DocScrutinizer: tried there, but having problems/module doesn't do what it's supposed to |
| 17:15.56 | SpeedEvil | I was idly wondering about http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets-accessories/wired-headsets/nokia-digital-radio-headset-dab/specifications |
| 17:16.02 | SpeedEvil | Which is a nokia DAB headphone |
| 17:16.03 | hopbeat | I need hidraw support |
| 17:16.31 | SpeedEvil | But that's complex to reverse engineer without a compatible phone, and some USB analysy magic. |
| 17:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I seen you rpost bout hidraw (it was yours, no?) |
| 17:16.46 | hopbeat | yes, it was mine |
| 17:18.30 | hopbeat | should be simple, but somehow I cannot manage to make it work |
| 17:18.35 | hopbeat | and would really appreciate some help, it's a showstoper for us |
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| 17:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to help some clients to reregister |
| 17:21.29 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | properly |
| 17:21.38 | *** kick/#maemo [45PABT3QN!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) |
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| 17:23.25 | MohammadAG | I wonder what he/she/it did |
| 17:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | [Notice] -NickServ- _llll_ has enabled nick protection |
| 17:24.02 | MohammadAG | still don't get it :P |
| 17:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm hoping client will reregister with proper authentication to /ns |
| 17:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | this wasn't meant to be an unfriendly kick |
| 17:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | client reregistered on yesterday's netsplit, but due to /ns being down, the nick-prot renamed it to that garbage nick |
| 17:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | nickname protection generally is a poor idea |
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| 17:26.37 | MohammadAG | consider using kick reasons :P |
| 17:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | you're right :-S Shouldn't have been lazy on that |
| 17:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | blame Konversation :-) |
| 17:28.53 | pupnik | listens to Orbital - Halcyon in his brain |
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| 17:32.25 | claw | , |
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| 17:34.15 | dschoepe | Is it a bad idea to reformat MyDocs as ext3 (or ext2) to avoid vfat's annoying limitations? |
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| 17:34.57 | rm_work | it might mess up the windows automounting if you plug it in via USB... |
| 17:35.15 | rm_work | dunno about any other side effects thp |
| 17:35.18 | rm_work | *tho |
| 17:35.19 | dschoepe | okay, I don't use windows anyway |
| 17:35.24 | rm_work | :P |
| 17:35.46 | rm_work | would try to get a reply from someone who knows more definitively though, i'm just speculating |
| 17:35.52 | rm_work | bbl, lunch |
| 17:35.57 | wmarone__ | I think the boot scripts might take issue with it |
| 17:36.07 | timeless_w7ip | hrm, lunch |
| 17:36.11 | timeless_w7ip | sp3000: got plans for food? |
| 17:36.13 | timeless_w7ip | could use lunch |
| 17:36.13 | wmarone__ | mostly because they expect fat32, iirc |
| 17:36.24 | MohammadAG | is it possible to stack ` in .sh files? |
| 17:36.38 | timeless_w7ip | you can use $() instead... |
| 17:37.27 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Oh - see patch to ofono - http://lists.ofono.org/pipermail/ofono/2010-December/006829.html |
| 17:37.28 | dschoepe | hmm, on a related matter: Is there an easier way to make more room for more applications in an easydebian installation instead of creating a bigger image? (Which lead me to my previous question) |
| 17:37.42 | dschoepe | *led |
| 17:37.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: To get neighbouring cell info. However, I don't see an underlying modem driver. |
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| 17:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 17:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks nevertheless |
| 17:43.41 | SpeedEvil | However - the @nokia address is at least signs of some progress. |
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| 17:51.58 | sp3000 | timeless_w7ip: plan is shower then food |
| 17:53.42 | sp3000 | timeless_w7ip: have a location in mind? |
| 17:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: questionable if this progress will help for RAPUYAMA aka N900 modem |
| 17:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'm setting all my hopes in jacekowski eventually REing the whole cmt FW and tell us how to exploit undocumented features in ISI |
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| 18:00.13 | jacekowski | dschoepe: just add something to that file |
| 18:00.15 | jacekowski | dschoepe: on the end |
| 18:00.21 | jacekowski | dschoepe: and run resize2fs on it |
| 18:01.35 | pupnik_ | is amazed at the prices people pay for apple stuff |
| 18:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you for sure recall Dieter's analysis of calypso firmware, telling us about cmds in AT interface that nobody knew of |
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| 18:01.58 | RST38h | makes 'em feel cool |
| 18:01.58 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 18:02.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Indeed. /however - Rapuyama is probably not EOL chipset. AIUI. |
| 18:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | I guess for cmt FW / ISI that's way more complicated but feasible |
| 18:02.42 | SpeedEvil | But - yes. |
| 18:03.10 | jacekowski | rapuyama is a lot more complicated than calypso |
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| 18:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yeah, I know :-/ |
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| 18:04.07 | jacekowski | and lot of stuff is done in hardware directly |
| 18:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | but I still guess we should find some sort of command interpreter with a list indicating what's implemented in ISI |
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| 18:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | that would be step one: find what random sequence of bytes to send to BB5 over ISI makes some sense whatever. |
| 18:07.29 | kerio | i'm not sure randomly testing is going to work |
| 18:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | then either RE the trial and error way, by sending 'challenges' and trying to make sense of the response. Or disassemble those particular cmds that are implemented but not documented, and try to make sense of the code |
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| 18:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's exactly what I said |
| 18:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | RE of command interpreter shall tell us what are worthy "random" sequences to investigate further |
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| 18:14.39 | divan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uef17zOCDb8 3d without glasses :D |
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| 18:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | on Nokia 6210 you had to send a special unlock cmd via AT interface, to enable service monitor, which then was available as additional item in UI menu. It's quite likely similar schemes of implementation can be found on newer Nokia phones as well, as there's rarely ever anything re-invented |
| 18:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | calypso had undocumented ATM m,n for accessing ServiceMonitor functions |
| 18:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | AT%SM |
| 18:17.09 | jaska | i remember having the service monitor on my 6250 |
| 18:17.49 | RST38h | sighs, wonders what is new andexciting tonight |
| 18:21.23 | timeless_w7ip | has written and half integrated code to crawl around the web and get terribly confused |
| 18:21.38 | pupnik_ | can it follow links on a page timeless_w7ip ? |
| 18:22.12 | timeless_w7ip | pupnik_: sure, as long as the page is meego.gitorious.org and links are to directories in that page :) |
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| 18:22.40 | pupnik_ | oh |
| 18:23.26 | timeless_w7ip | wow |
| 18:23.32 | timeless_w7ip | it even managed to find something to do |
| 18:23.33 | timeless_w7ip | is shocked |
| 18:23.52 | timeless_w7ip | cool though! |
| 18:23.55 | timeless_w7ip | it actually did its job |
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| 18:24.22 | lardman | anyone know where I can stick a command to be run after an X server has been started up? |
| 18:24.34 | lardman | is getting rather confused by the X script mess |
| 18:30.10 | E0x | lardman: .xinitrc in user home |
| 18:30.12 | E0x | not work ? |
| 18:30.36 | lardman | doesn't exist |
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| 18:31.03 | E0x | lardman: if you create one |
| 18:31.03 | lardman | is .xinitrc run after the server has started up then? |
| 18:31.05 | E0x | maybe will work |
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| 18:31.43 | E0x | lardman: in normal *nix distro yes |
| 18:32.00 | lardman | ok, thanks |
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| 20:00.56 | MohammadAG | is there a way to record sound output without using cables? |
| 20:01.02 | MohammadAG | i.e something with pulseaudio? |
| 20:01.15 | MohammadAG | (on a PC of course) |
| 20:01.27 | lcuk | where is the mic? |
| 20:01.28 | pupnik | boggles at dirt on n900 engine board |
| 20:02.04 | piggz | MohammadAG: mplayer --dumpstream ? |
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| 20:09.58 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: yeah |
| 20:10.18 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: on some cards |
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| 20:10.57 | unixSnob | MohammadAG: pulseaudio has issues. Also, so do all the pulseaudio alternatives |
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| 20:38.09 | valdyn | MohammadAG: the monitor devices provide this |
| 20:38.30 | MohammadAG | valdyn, how do I use them? |
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| 20:40.31 | valdyn | MohammadAG: im looking into it, this is totally new yet |
| 20:40.35 | valdyn | MohammadAG: ( to me ) |
| 20:41.13 | valdyn | MohammadAG: ok, this source says, just make it the default recording device and use any recorder |
| 20:41.43 | ThreeM | can i ask here about a problem with cssu? |
| 20:41.43 | valdyn | MohammadAG: that can be arecord too if ~/.asoundrc is set to pa |
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| 20:44.14 | Jaffa | ThreeM: You can, although #maemo-ssu is more appropriate |
| 20:44.40 | ThreeM | yesterday i have try 9 desktops. all worked well and i configure the view back to 4 desktops. today i want to enable 2 desktops but i cant do that anymore in the "manage view" options. there are only 4 desktops available |
| 20:44.47 | valdyn | MohammadAG: i dont see that option, but record -> in pavucontrol, 2nd tab switch the source to any monitor |
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| 20:45.22 | Jaffa | ThreeM: Are you using something like Theme Customiser or a modified system package? |
| 20:45.35 | ThreeM | nope |
| 20:45.50 | ThreeM | ahh just a moment |
| 20:46.15 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 20:46.46 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, it's a bug, only happens on some devices for some reason |
| 20:46.50 | ThreeM | i have it installed but i dont use it |
| 20:46.55 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I fixed it on gitorious by hardcoding the value to 9 |
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| 20:47.47 | ThreeM | yesterday all things are fine. that is what i cant understand :) |
| 20:48.36 | ThreeM | and only change i have made is activate 9 desktops and disable the desktops again |
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| 20:54.27 | ThreeM | how can i fix this? |
| 20:55.35 | Jaffa | ThreeM: It seems it's already a fixed bug (MohammadAG: is there a bugzilla entry for it so ThreeM can track release progress?), so it's a case of waiting for a new release, I guess. |
| 20:56.35 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, no, no bug report |
| 20:56.49 | Jaffa | Tsk ;-) |
| 20:57.04 | MohammadAG | if you can't wait, compile the source (psst: http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/hildon-home_0.3.71-5_armel.deb ) |
| 20:57.56 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I think a new release is due |
| 20:58.16 | MohammadAG | Parallax, zoom on press effect, modest patches |
| 20:58.55 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Modest patches for portrait? |
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| 20:59.10 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Don't push that out unless Sc0rpius has fixed the message details and other dialogues. |
| 20:59.21 | MohammadAG | New Message fixed |
| 20:59.40 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Since you can't see the subject much in the window title, you rely more on "Message details" but it doesn't open properly. |
| 20:59.45 | MohammadAG | agreed |
| 20:59.57 | Jaffa | Unless that's the MR you've just merged ;-) |
| 21:00.42 | MohammadAG | nah, that fixes the New Message button and hildonizes one of them |
| 21:00.52 | MohammadAG | (I thought the latter was part of Nokia Messaging, which is closed) |
| 21:01.38 | Jaffa | Cos Modest currently doesn't actively support portrait, does it? Making it add the flags should be dependent on fixing the dialogues. Ideally, the toolbar too (i.e. the prev/next buttons shown rather than the drop down of overflowing icons) |
| 21:01.47 | Jaffa | But that's secondary to getting it working :-) |
| 21:01.51 | Jaffa | Anyway, g2g |
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| 21:14.14 | MohammadAG | http://i52.tinypic.com/33u99tx.jpg needs work |
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| 21:24.24 | pupnik | wow the n900 speakers are tiny! |
| 21:24.51 | pupnik | 10x6 mm wide and about 2 mm thick |
| 21:25.05 | MohammadAG | you can boost them, go too high and they'll go ultrasound permanently :P |
| 21:25.24 | pupnik | these are broken yes |
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| 21:27.16 | pupnik | oh and do not remove the stylus if you open the unit |
| 21:27.39 | LjL | no, wait... you can break the speakers by whoopsing the volume? :| |
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| 21:28.31 | pupnik | my speakers stopped working and i think someone else's did also - but we bypassed the speaker protection |
| 21:28.35 | pupnik | or rather, i did |
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| 21:31.28 | MohammadAG | LjL, yeah, just remove protection |
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| 21:36.17 | pupnik | dang they are cool looking though |
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| 21:39.02 | pupnik | what is this rotating half-moon shaped device on the system board? |
| 21:39.28 | MohammadAG | vibra? |
| 21:39.45 | pupnik | oh duuh |
| 21:39.48 | pupnik | ty MohammadAG :) |
| 21:41.01 | pupnik | there's probably as many parts as on a laptop in here |
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| 21:42.02 | pupnik | want to see a picture of the speaker? |
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| 21:49.30 | toresbe | Hey guys! |
| 21:49.48 | puchaty | hey u |
| 21:50.04 | toresbe | I've got a quick question regarding SMSCON. Is there any way to make SMSCON hide the SMS notifications if they are a valid command? |
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| 21:50.25 | toresbe | Is there a potential way to implement it? :) |
| 21:54.26 | pupnik | what's SMSCON? |
| 21:55.20 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/BMKBj.jpg n900 speaker (removed from case) |
| 21:55.29 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: lookit how tiny |
| 21:56.38 | chx | pupnik: you have very big beer bottle caps. |
| 21:57.05 | pupnik | isn't that amazing? |
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| 21:59.58 | pupnik | is amazed |
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| 22:01.54 | SpeedEvil | wishes there was acompressor option on the speakers |
| 22:02.28 | toresbe | pupnik: it's a remote-control-N900-by-SMS app. |
| 22:03.05 | pupnik | toresbe: COOL |
| 22:04.11 | toresbe | It's fairly neat, yes. But I'd like to be able to suppress the SMSes from making it to the UI. |
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| 22:06.32 | javispedro | wtf |
| 22:06.58 | javispedro | why does the Dell configurator tell me that "BIOS: Internal Bluetooth Set To Enabled" costs 5� |
| 22:08.16 | kerio | because you still haven't uninstalled it |
| 22:08.34 | javispedro | I mean their web shop one |
| 22:08.49 | pupnik | toresbe: that's a must-have (surpressed to UI) |
| 22:09.19 | pupnik | toresbe: if one's n900 gets stolen and one wants to control it, it should be private |
| 22:09.34 | javispedro | (I'm _buying_ a PC and they're asking me 5⬠to do stuff like "Enable Internal Bluetooth in BIOS", 5⬠to "BIOS: Boot First Device set to Hard Drive" |
| 22:09.38 | javispedro | , etc) |
| 22:10.03 | javispedro | hopes this is some mistranslation |
| 22:10.07 | SpeedEvil | If you want to set the BIOS in a non-standard way - you have to pay for it |
| 22:10.18 | SpeedEvil | If you're happy with it as it ships normally, you can leave it |
| 22:10.20 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 22:10.23 | lcuk | javispedro, that would presumably require opening the box, powering it up, sitting there pressing buttons etc |
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| 22:11.03 | javispedro | finds plenty of alternative cheaper ways to do that... but hey... |
| 22:11.12 | chx | javispedro: YOU can |
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| 22:11.30 | chx | javispedro: i bet there are a number of Dell customers (they would be the typical Dell customers) who have no idea. |
| 22:12.08 | javispedro | sighs |
| 22:12.28 | javispedro | and for a few minutes I was thinking that mean I wouldn't have the option to turn Bluetooth on by myself :P |
| 22:13.10 | chx | it could mean that too yeah |
| 22:13.19 | BCMM | javispedro: it'll come with a coin slot, and if you bring a Bluetooth device near it, the screen will flash "Insert Coin." |
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| 22:15.42 | javispedro | thinks what BCMM says will come true in the not-so-far future |
| 22:16.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdbuSZVYewg&feature=feedu Software upgradable scope javispedro |
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| 22:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n81-n900-cell-phone-speaker.html |
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| 22:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: except you're using paypal, not a coin slot |
| 22:33.02 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/9VbG6.jpg check it out! n900 speaker opened! |
| 22:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | M$ is actively pushing that model - lease services (like MS-word) by the minute, or by the line of text |
| 22:33.34 | LjL | nice camera you've got |
| 22:33.34 | BCMM | pupnik: which speaker is that? earphone or stereo? |
| 22:33.51 | pupnik | stereo |
| 22:34.00 | BCMM | wow, it's tiny |
| 22:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you're insane - you killed it |
| 22:34.11 | BCMM | i mean, those are pretty loud |
| 22:35.21 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: they were 'dead' already |
| 22:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly if that nice sharp macro has enough minutiae to make a valid fake fingerprint of pupnik |
| 22:35.41 | lcuk | awesome engineering though in such tiny things :) |
| 22:35.52 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it should be lol |
| 22:35.53 | jacekowski | javispedro: that sort of thing happens now |
| 22:35.56 | jacekowski | javispedro: you buy hardware |
| 22:36.00 | jacekowski | javispedro: like FC switches |
| 22:36.06 | jacekowski | javispedro: and it has 16 ports |
| 22:36.11 | jacekowski | but only 8 are working |
| 22:36.23 | jacekowski | you buy code from brocade or whoever manufactured that switch |
| 22:36.27 | jacekowski | type it in |
| 22:36.31 | BCMM | pupnik: so did you blow it up by playing with mixer settings? |
| 22:36.32 | jacekowski | and you have 16 port switch |
| 22:36.35 | javispedro | well, it's still missing the coin slot =) |
| 22:36.42 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: heh, i like the way you think... |
| 22:37.32 | BCMM | javispedro: well, at least they're honest about it, unlike artificial processor binning |
| 22:37.44 | BCMM | jacekowski, mishighlighted |
| 22:37.58 | pupnik | BCMM: blew it up playing lectures all day without XPROT speaker protection |
| 22:38.04 | BCMM | javispedro/javispedro conversations always confuse me |
| 22:38.20 | javispedro | BCMM: hey, I do not talk alone THAT often. |
| 22:38.21 | pupnik | but apparently the voice coil is still intact, so perhaps simply heating or something jarred it |
| 22:38.32 | BCMM | javispedro: hah, can't believe i did that... |
| 22:38.38 | BCMM | told you it was confusing |
| 22:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 22:38.57 | BCMM | pupnik: XPROT? |
| 22:39.17 | luke-jr | how can I reload ~/.rtcomm-accounts/accounts.cfg ? |
| 22:39.32 | BCMM | i'm curious because i want to know if the rumour that you can blow the speakers using only alsamixer is true |
| 22:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | sneaks by the hot punch an throws 200 trips in |
| 22:40.30 | BCMM | which in turn is because i want to play with alsamixer in order to get sound to come out through the earphone |
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| 22:40.50 | BCMM | since one might occasionally want to listen to internet radio or something like that |
| 22:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: believe me, it is |
| 22:41.12 | BCMM | ok |
| 22:41.15 | pupnik | i don't see why they 'broke - the suspension is still ok, the coil is still intact |
| 22:41.28 | BCMM | pupnik: got a multimeter? |
| 22:41.29 | javispedro | The only time I had to get a N900 repaired so far is because a broken left speaker |
| 22:41.30 | pupnik | maybe the insulation on the coil wire broke and now the coil shorts |
| 22:41.44 | pupnik | yes |
| 22:42.13 | BCMM | well, check its resistance i guess... |
| 22:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I regret I haven't ordered 3 pairs of spare speakers with that bare pcb |
| 22:42.46 | BCMM | probably either burned out a wire, or, like you said, burned out insulation |
| 22:42.55 | pupnik | well the wire looked fine |
| 22:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | ...or simply molten glue and coil got outa shape |
| 22:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | s/glue/glue or plastic-support/. |
| 22:44.43 | BCMM | hmmm, is it silent, or does it sound all wrong? |
| 22:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | wires rarely melt on long term 200% overdrive. They blowfuse on surges, like applying 24V from a low-Z battery |
| 22:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | look, plasic melting @200°C, copper malting when? 800°? |
| 22:47.28 | pupnik | hmm |
| 22:47.43 | pupnik | maybe the amplifier on the n900 board is what's dead |
| 22:47.59 | pupnik | reassembled speaker |
| 22:48.20 | BCMM | really, check with a multimeter... |
| 22:48.36 | pupnik | what should i see? |
| 22:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: unlikely |
| 22:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: 8 ohms +/- |
| 22:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | still won't tell you anything |
| 22:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | get those: http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n81-n900-cell-phone-speaker.html |
| 22:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: if you hadn't killed them yet, I'd suggest you use an empty 1.5V battery and connect it to the speakers contact springs to see if it clicks |
| 22:50.53 | BCMM | also, not 0-ish or infinity... |
| 22:51.16 | BCMM | (for shorted insulation and burned-out wire, respectively) |
| 22:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: reassembling those won't work, you killed them as you can't place the coil concentric to the magnet |
| 22:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: for shorted isolation there's just one wind shorted enough to kill it for AC |
| 22:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | and AC is what you use on speakers, usually |
| 22:53.03 | BCMM | "usually"? |
| 22:53.05 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: right, i figured -- btw those replacements are better than the original i hope.. http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n82-e72-e66-x6-n85-cell-phone-speaker.html |
| 22:53.34 | lcuk | pupnik, do the n900 speakers connect in same way as n810? |
| 22:53.43 | pupnik | i haven't opened n810 |
| 22:53.47 | lcuk | on the n810 there are little springy things |
| 22:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | meh, what makes you think they fit? |
| 22:53.53 | lcuk | that the speakers just press against |
| 22:54.04 | pupnik | those look exactly the same DocScrutinizer |
| 22:54.18 | pupnik | but maybe the dimensions are different |
| 22:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | you're welcome to test |
| 22:54.38 | lcuk | pupnik, note that people take pictures with toy cars "looking" exactly like real cars on the street! |
| 22:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | FSCKFSCKFSCK people.openmoko.org also down |
| 22:55.38 | BCMM | pupnik: aww, that's cute; somebody thinks repetition is an SEO strategy |
| 22:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | I hate HDMI |
| 22:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | I hate rootkits for linux boxes |
| 22:57.41 | javispedro | What I hate most about HDMI is that most monitors will usually think they are being fed input from a TV-thing instead of a PC and either overscan or report they support 480p and/or 1080p only |
| 22:57.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: by the way, I guess you saw http://nokiaplanq.com/ already ? ;) |
| 22:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | oh cool, timeout on IRC again? |
| 22:58.20 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: where did you get a bare N900 PCB? |
| 22:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 22:58.54 | pupnik | http://www.ownta.com/compatible-nokia-n900-cell-phone-pcb-board-without-spareparts.html wow |
| 22:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | LOL ROTFL on nokiaplanq |
| 22:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: still waiting for delivery |
| 22:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 23:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: AWESOME :-D |
| 23:03.59 | javispedro | :) |
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| 23:05.17 | chx | pupnik: and how on earth do you use that??? resolder the chips????? |
| 23:05.47 | SpeedEvil | You don't. |
| 23:05.53 | SpeedEvil | It's practically useless |
| 23:06.18 | SpeedEvil | The chances of resoldering on the chips - with a 99.5% good solder-joint rate is about 10% |
| 23:07.48 | javispedro | http://www.ownta.com/brand-new-nokia-n900-unlocked-cell-phone.html |
| 23:08.12 | javispedro | Brand new N900-coloured N810 WiMax edition! |
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| 23:09.16 | pupnik | heh... wrong pic |
| 23:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10096 |
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| 23:10.26 | BCMM | that whole site has a really, really spammy feel |
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| 23:11.19 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: so you're working for OpenMokia now!! |
| 23:12.32 | Psi | anyone tried a 32GB micro sd in their n900 yet? |
| 23:13.01 | Megaltariak | I have one and it works well |
| 23:13.14 | Psi | nice. what brand |
| 23:13.29 | Megaltariak | Sandisk |
| 23:13.38 | Psi | thanks |
| 23:14.01 | lcuk | Megaltariak, neat, did you get it out of necessaity or just because you wanted one? |
| 23:14.13 | lcuk | has about 3gb left on his n900 so thinking about it |
| 23:14.30 | BCMM | http://www.google.com/images?q=n900 gets it surprisingly wrong |
| 23:14.46 | Psi | i dont want to wear out the build in flash so moving commonly used/rewritten stuff to microsd is a good idea |
| 23:15.10 | nid0 | BCMM google image search for nokia phones tends to be quite horribly wrong across the board |
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| 23:15.46 | BCMM | also, i think that incorrect ownta pic was nabbed from google image search without checking... |
| 23:16.06 | pupnik | can anyone take-apart a n810 and show us the speakers in it? |
| 23:16.45 | nid0 | the pic I find really astonishing is like 5th searching for the e7 |
| 23:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I did, alas people.openmoko.org is down aTM |
| 23:16.52 | nid0 | http://www.priceindia.net/mobile/nokia/nokia-e7-price-in-india/ |
| 23:16.55 | Megaltariak | I repartitionned my N900 with 27go /home/ and 2go MyDocs for testing stuff and apps but I still wanted to have space for multimedia/usb storage, so I buyed one. |
| 23:17.14 | nid0 | theyve somehow photoshopped a cobbled together mashup of the e7, the n9 prototype, and the n900 all in one |
| 23:17.21 | lcuk | pupnik, doc has an n810 disassembly guide but site is afk atm |
| 23:17.48 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: so they're very different size than n900 speakers, correct? |
| 23:18.17 | lcuk | is slow tonight |
| 23:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 23:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check local pics |
| 23:19.24 | pupnik | the volume on n810 was much better and i wonder why |
| 23:19.32 | luke-jr | If anyone ever wants to change default phone account: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=954881#post954881 |
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| 23:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: much bigger |
| 23:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | round about twice the size |
| 23:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=N810_disassembly/SNC00308.jpg&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 23:23.20 | pupnik | ty luke-jr |
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| 23:24.47 | luke-jr | pupnik: doesn't work with Babyphone â¹ |
| 23:24.50 | pupnik | but what does it mean? |
| 23:25.01 | luke-jr | pupnik: it means you can have Phone use a SIP account by default :p |
| 23:25.19 | pupnik | oh duh - ty |
| 23:25.34 | pupnik | awesome |
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| 23:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | wow, google cache loading since 3 min, at 49% |
| 23:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | 52% |
| 23:27.42 | pupnik | same here at about 0% of pics done |
| 23:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | 57 |
| 23:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | YAWNS |
| 23:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
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| 23:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10097 |
| 23:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ^^^ |
| 23:34.14 | alterego | Is there an app that can talk at to another handset via bluetooth? |
| 23:34.39 | alterego | I kinda want to read contacts and messages from another phone, using AT .. |
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| 23:34.49 | alterego | Might have to write it myself I guess. |
| 23:34.51 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: maybe with a dremel i could make space for those :D |
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| 23:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I suggest injecting magnetic fluid to the air gap between coil and magnet of the original ones |
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| 23:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | plus I want royalties of 1.87USD per device for that improvement, for stealing that idea form magnastat and applying it to mobile phone transducers |
| 23:43.50 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: fluid doesn't compress like a gas :/ |
| 23:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | you mustn't flood the whole speaker with it, just let is settle between magnet and coil, in that 0.1mm air gap |
| 23:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | air between speaker dome and magnet should vent via a hole in magnet usually |
| 23:46.16 | pupnik | did i mention i got some beautiful planar drivers made in germany - from a reseller in USA? |
| 23:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, or place some piezo on that back cover plastic and use the whole area as a surface planaer speaker ;-) |
| 23:48.11 | pupnik | Bohlender Graebener Neo8-PDR |
| 23:48.12 | pupnik | heh |
| 23:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | used with kickstand that should give way better bass |
| 23:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | sitting on desk flat it will make your cam lens come off |
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| 23:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK, laf 18s, 32s, WTF is wrong with freenode today? |
| 23:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | lag* |
| 23:50.18 | luke-jr | ugh |
| 23:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 23:50.19 | infobot | ~pong |
| 23:50.26 | luke-jr | how do I turn off the stupid kb led flashing in R&D mode again? |
| 23:50.30 | luke-jr | lost all his changes with PR1.3 |
| 23:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | there's some sysnode you need echo 0>foo |
| 23:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what's been the name |
| 23:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | lag 5s |
| 23:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | shiiiiit |
| 23:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | pratchett.freenode.net in Rennes, FR, EU. |
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| 23:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 23:53.43 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 23:54.43 | infobot | ~pong |
| 23:54.47 | Sc0rpius | nice |
| 23:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~ding |
| 23:54.54 | infobot | dong |
| 23:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~pong |
| 23:54.59 | infobot | ~ping |
| 23:55.03 | Sc0rpius | hehehe |
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