| 00:01.20 | r4ven | no one? |
| 00:01.59 | r4ven | it is kinda urgent, if I can't find it will reflash my n900 |
| 00:02.03 | alterego | gconf, probably, what settings are you talking about? |
| 00:02.29 | r4ven | well.. I was unable to play videos. ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70066 ) |
| 00:02.38 | makulkar | is there a qmake macro for maemo6/meego platform? compile time macro which is provided by Qt qmake tool or even something I can hack in code? |
| 00:03.06 | r4ven | made a reflash, everything was ok. then reinstalled my backup for my settings and can't play videos again now. |
| 00:04.04 | r4ven | So, I think there's something wrong with my backup, hopefully will find what it is |
| 00:04.32 | SiN900 | where is gconf, please? |
| 00:05.24 | SiN900 | ok found it |
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| 00:08.24 | SiN900 | http://pastebin.com/WT5knvsL ; is there anything wrong here? it is my mediaplayer's gconf |
| 00:10.23 | javispedro | SiN900: when you "restored" from backup, did you restore the entire list of installed applications? |
| 00:11.26 | javispedro | just disable that part and do it manually, one by one. then you can check what is breaking your "mediaplayer". |
| 00:11.34 | SiN900 | I installed my applications one by one, from fapman |
| 00:12.00 | javispedro | and when did it break? |
| 00:12.19 | SiN900 | after finishing my install job, checked it again, it was fine, after restore of my backup it is gone |
| 00:12.43 | javispedro | did you restore any application with your backup? |
| 00:12.48 | SiN900 | ope |
| 00:12.50 | SiN900 | nope |
| 00:13.06 | javispedro | sure sure, did you uncheck the "applications list" item? |
| 00:13.08 | SiN900 | there's nothing related with video playing in N900 |
| 00:13.26 | SiN900 | hm, I think I didn't while restoring? |
| 00:13.43 | javispedro | well, if you didn't while backing it up, it's ok. |
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| 00:16.21 | SiN900 | one more strange thing, after reboot I can play it for 7-8 seconds, then it goes back to menu. If I try to play it again it won't, will stay at "dots" screen |
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| 00:19.06 | SiN900 | any idea? |
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| 00:20.51 | SiN900 | will reflash, I guess.. |
| 00:21.26 | javispedro | and do not restore "settings" |
| 00:21.37 | javispedro | (nor applications, obviously) |
| 00:21.49 | SiN900 | yeah. |
| 00:21.55 | SiN900 | will try combined one first |
| 00:22.00 | SiN900 | if not, .. |
| 00:22.11 | javispedro | "combined"? |
| 00:22.16 | SiN900 | Fiasco |
| 00:22.22 | javispedro | what did you do previously? |
| 00:22.38 | javispedro | I thought you had reflashed then restored from osso-backup? |
| 00:22.40 | SiN900 | clean flash : Vanilla + Combined |
| 00:22.57 | javispedro | ah, you did both first. |
| 00:23.30 | SiN900 | yep, after that installed all my apps and checked again, it was fine, restored my backup and it is dead. |
| 00:24.27 | SiN900 | it is actually fine atm, but can't play videos. I don't watch videos on N900, but I don't like the idea of not being able to play them |
| 00:24.54 | SiN900 | yeah, I know. Kinda sick behaivour. |
| 00:25.10 | nox- | http://www.cablemap.info/ |
| 00:25.17 | nox- | (slightly ot :) |
| 00:25.26 | ZogG | BCMM, ping |
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| 00:33.03 | SiN900 | flashed with combined, waiting.. |
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| 00:34.06 | Lantizia | Lo, anyone know where I can find the latest info on running KDE/Plasma on the N900? |
| 00:35.10 | SiN900 | cool. lost all my apps, plus I feel like it is buggy now |
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| 00:36.22 | SiN900 | will make a clean reflash. again. |
| 00:36.57 | SiN900 | thanks anyway javispedro =) |
| 00:37.19 | zanberdo | first question: is this the appropriate channel to pose questions regarding such things as installed packages on an N900 - specifically I've installed bash3 and I'm looking to find out how to change my terminal color from a white background to black. Easy enough from gnome, but I'm not seeing anything obvious for the bash3 terminal |
| 00:37.39 | javispedro | well, not flashing emmc when you've installed apps is usually not something to do, long-term wise. |
| 00:40.32 | Jartza | hmmh |
| 00:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ?? |
| 00:42.12 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: because /opt might be filled with garbage |
| 00:42.21 | javispedro | or /home |
| 00:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter. either garbage gets rewritten, or it just takes up space |
| 00:42.49 | javispedro | more probably the latter |
| 00:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | home is another thing |
| 00:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | obviously you're resetting all the ~/.configs |
| 00:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | when flashing eMMC |
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| 00:52.25 | ZogG | anyone awake? i set up scratchbox and i have qt-creator - how do i set qt-creator to run programs in scratchbox or qemu? |
| 00:52.43 | zanberdo | are there any apps that permit consolidation of like applications into a single container? |
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| 00:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | to do what? |
| 00:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | zanberdo: you for example can throw several uSD cards into one tin box, each of those uSD cards with one app stored to it ;-D |
| 01:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | zanberdo: honestly, I fail to understand your question |
| 01:01.10 | zanberdo | heheh |
| 01:01.20 | zanberdo | good point, Doc, I shall attempt to be more specific. |
| 01:02.52 | zanberdo | My question pertains specifically to the desktop environment of the N900. As this is #maemo, I fear this is likely not the correct channel to ask, but my question relates to whether or not there is an app for the N900 which allows for the consolidation of shortcuts (not apps of course) into a common container... so for instance, all games accessible from a shortcut of it's own. Again, forgive me if this is not the correct channel. I'm new |
| 01:02.52 | zanberdo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.38 | jonwil | is in the process of reverse engineering the dialer app to identify everything it does that isn't UI related (i.e. anything one would need to know to build a feature-complete dialer replacement) |
| 01:03.49 | jonwil | Currently doing librtcom-call-ui.so |
| 01:03.54 | jonwil | which isnt as hard as it looks |
| 01:04.31 | javispedro | zanberdo: you mean "folders" or "categories" in the launcher? |
| 01:04.58 | SpeedEvil | hugs Jonwil. |
| 01:05.01 | zanberdo | ah, good question, and one I'm afraid I won't be able to answer intelligently until I learn the correct terminology. |
| 01:05.18 | zanberdo | folder I would guess |
| 01:05.39 | javispedro | the launcher is the application grid that appears when you tap on the left-top corner |
| 01:05.48 | zanberdo | yup, got that |
| 01:06.19 | javispedro | you might want to search for "catorise" |
| 01:06.23 | zanberdo | I'm looking at the deaktop menu which has such things as 'add shortcut, add bookmark, change background, etc". But no folder |
| 01:06.29 | javispedro | ah |
| 01:06.32 | zanberdo | yeah, I found catorise |
| 01:06.34 | zanberdo | and love it |
| 01:06.40 | javispedro | no, that's not the launcher -- that's the "desktop" =) |
| 01:06.43 | zanberdo | but now I'm looking for something like that for the desktop shortcuts |
| 01:06.53 | javispedro | then you're looking for a widget. |
| 01:07.00 | javispedro | and no idea if such widget exists at this point. |
| 01:07.06 | zanberdo | ok, fair play. |
| 01:07.38 | javispedro | I guess one could easily make one such widget though :P |
| 01:07.40 | zanberdo | so if I want to consolidate all like-apps, such as all games, I could put them all on one desktop, but that's about the extent to which I can organize. |
| 01:07.50 | zanberdo | I would be willing to look into that |
| 01:08.01 | javispedro | zanberdo: request help or just post the idea on talk.maemo.org |
| 01:08.02 | Jartza | hmmh |
| 01:08.03 | zanberdo | need to learn about writing widgets... |
| 01:08.22 | Jartza | I didn't remember what hassle the scratchbox was to setup |
| 01:08.32 | Jartza | I was trying to get support for both diablo and fremantle |
| 01:09.05 | zanberdo | well, I hadn't considered writing any apps for maemo, but I could certainly start looking into it. |
| 01:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | zanberdo: you can't have something like a window with shortcuts popping up on click of a single icon on desktop (at least I dunno of such app) - what you can do is use apmefo to get subdirectories in application starter screen |
| 01:09.55 | zanberdo | let me check out apmefo |
| 01:09.59 | zanberdo | see if that's what I'm thinking |
| 01:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | apmefo is like catorize, but better |
| 01:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | better as it alows you to sort the apps like *you* want |
| 01:10.52 | zanberdo | ok, let me see... :) |
| 01:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's not really comfortable to configure, but result is awesome |
| 01:12.33 | zanberdo | is config available via cli or through the gui? I've installed openssh-client and -server and have remote access (though it's troubling to me to have ssh open to root, but I presume I can change that) |
| 01:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | gui |
| 01:12.59 | zanberdo | ok |
| 01:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | zanberdo: btw I got 4 subfolders in my appstarter screen: games, system, phonecore, utils |
| 01:16.49 | Jartza | ok |
| 01:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | zanberdo: you must not use the hildon method to move around icons on screen to sort them. Do this in apmefo gui |
| 01:17.16 | Jartza | now it seems that I have my toolchain set up correctly |
| 01:17.23 | Jartza | and qt application works on n800 :) |
| 01:17.46 | Jartza | now I'm ready to start creating my xbmc remote :) |
| 01:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | if you do it nevertheless, the submenues are gone - then just start apmefo and "save" again |
| 01:18.30 | zanberdo | ok. is apmefo in the base repo's or must I add some other repos? I'm not seeing it in apt-cache nor in the gui app installer... |
| 01:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | afaik it should be base |
| 01:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | but not sure about it |
| 01:19.42 | zanberdo | hmmm. ok. time to google! :) |
| 01:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/apmefo/ |
| 01:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56844 |
| 01:21.26 | zanberdo | it's in extras according to http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=ApMeFo&faq=42&fldAuto=1525 |
| 01:21.42 | zanberdo | anyway, reading the links you provided, thanks! |
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| 01:27.38 | zanberdo | ah, good to see I can add repos via /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
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| 01:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | zanberdo: I prefer to do this in HAM catalog menu |
| 01:49.52 | zanberdo | HAM? |
| 01:49.57 | zanberdo | so much to learn. :) |
| 01:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | zanberdo: something is problematic when adding directly, can't exactly recal what. Maybe HAM has some additional config for this, which is missing when you edit the file. OR maybe that's all nonsense and what I recall is related to another file |
| 01:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | Hildon App Manager |
| 01:50.27 | zanberdo | oic. ok, I'll refrain from adding repos directly |
| 01:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | the program manager on desktop |
| 01:50.38 | zanberdo | curse of the sysadmin... love cli |
| 01:51.17 | zanberdo | I installed apmefo and played with it a bit. it's nice, it's just too back I can't create a shortcut to the folder I created which contained the apps I assigned to it. |
| 01:51.59 | zanberdo | s/back/bad/ |
| 01:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, hildon/maemo is often following a very own path |
| 01:52.21 | zanberdo | oh, nice infobot. :) |
| 01:52.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 01:52.51 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 01:53.38 | zanberdo | well, that's why I finally bought it (the n900)! I've been avoiding 'smart phones' for the last several year ... I do love the n900 and look forward to digging in even deeper |
| 01:53.57 | zanberdo | perhaps I will look into writing a widget to consolidate shortcuts |
| 01:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | nice idea, should be simple |
| 01:55.05 | zanberdo | heheh... I read that and I hear in my head "the best laid plans of mice and men..." heheh... but yeah, I should look into it |
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| 01:56.18 | Jartza | hmmh |
| 01:56.36 | Jartza | I got qt applications running on diablo scratchbox, but they don't look correctly hildonized... |
| 01:57.37 | zanberdo | hehe... still want to know how to set the background color for my bash3 terminal... |
| 01:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'd try a shortcut to the app-launcher, probably via dbus |
| 01:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | err, background color? in settings menu, no? |
| 01:59.12 | zanberdo | no |
| 01:59.18 | Sc0rpius | ok I lost a window in this stupid x-chat |
| 01:59.35 | zanberdo | I installed the bash3 app, but the app menu lacks any way to change the background color... unless... |
| 01:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | menu - fonts - there_on_bottom-left |
| 01:59.50 | zanberdo | yeah, that just occured to me! heheh |
| 01:59.58 | zanberdo | s/occured/occurred |
| 02:00.02 | zanberdo | s/occured/occurred/ |
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| 02:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | heh, you were fast to find out about that prank |
| 02:02.42 | zanberdo | hmm? what prank? |
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| 02:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | the s/ prank |
| 02:11.16 | zanberdo | is that a prank? it's just habit for me... hehe |
| 02:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | the double s/ where second one doesn't what you thought |
| 02:12.04 | zanberdo | heh... ic |
| 02:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control might be interesting for you |
| 02:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | maybe this too http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 02:13.54 | zanberdo | thanks for the links, doc. I have a lot of reading to do (yet again!) |
| 02:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | though the latter is about PR1.2, not the current 1.3 |
| 02:14.05 | zanberdo | but it's fun to have a phone that works the way i work. |
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| 02:14.36 | javispedro | the prank, lol. |
| 02:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | afaik the extremely cute ctrl-bs tab-emu still works on 1.3 |
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| 02:15.38 | zanberdo | oh? |
| 02:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | (see the video linked in that tools page) |
| 02:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't live without anymore ;-D |
| 02:16.54 | zanberdo | well, time to have me some dinner. thanks again for all the help/suggestions/etc. |
| 02:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 02:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | zanberdo: you'll also want the fix for enter key, in xterm |
| 02:18.40 | zanberdo | and that last link looks quite interesting |
| 02:18.54 | zanberdo | fix it? seems to work... am I missing something? |
| 02:19.03 | zanberdo | baring in mind I'm using bash3 atm |
| 02:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, not for me, I created that page for my convenience :-) |
| 02:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | enter fails e.g in less / |
| 02:19.44 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: whats that fix - I have no return key in a remote screen |
| 02:19.53 | zanberdo | ah |
| 02:19.59 | jpinx | I use Ctrl-j |
| 02:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: see link above |
| 02:21.21 | zanberdo | one last question: I removed apmefo and catorise but it seems I can't re-install catorize (though catorise-gui is available)... is that because I 'activated' apmefo and didn't deactivate it before I removed it, or am I just missing something? |
| 02:21.39 | Jartza | hmmh |
| 02:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | might be the problem, yes |
| 02:21.54 | Jartza | actually, I have to admit, I didn't remember how nice device n800 actually was |
| 02:22.12 | Jartza | it would have had a lot more potential, as a device |
| 02:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | I kicked catorize after 15min, so can't tell |
| 02:22.35 | zanberdo | well, I thought I'd go back to catorize for the time being |
| 02:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: the camera is awesome |
| 02:22.52 | zanberdo | as I don't want to spend too much time creating my own organization atm. |
| 02:22.55 | zanberdo | ah well, no worries. |
| 02:23.07 | zanberdo | I think that 'activate' merely modified a file.. just have to see what file.. |
| 02:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | the fixed orga of catorize is mindboggling |
| 02:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | I got 3 different dirs with calculators |
| 02:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | and the dirs themselves are obscure to me |
| 02:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | so I ended searchng all in all, and thought "meh, this I can have without catorize, with one click less" |
| 02:25.00 | zanberdo | hmm... |
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| 02:25.51 | zanberdo | ah, well, the wife is getting cranky! Need to have some dinner and spend some quality time with her! heheh... this is why I avoided buying a bloody 'smart phone' - they are freaking time sinks |
| 02:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | cya l8r then :-D |
| 02:26.26 | zanberdo | you will indeed! cheers! |
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| 02:41.50 | the_lord | Hi, where can I make a petition for CSSU ? |
| 02:42.09 | Sc0rpius | good question |
| 02:42.18 | Sc0rpius | what do you have in mind? |
| 02:42.57 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, modest working in slow connections is a pain in the... throat |
| 02:43.11 | Sc0rpius | sure it is |
| 02:43.18 | the_lord | it updates the inbox and then shows the list of the emails |
| 02:43.43 | the_lord | it should show all your already downloaded emails and do that process in background |
| 02:43.53 | Sc0rpius | acutally it does that |
| 02:44.01 | Sc0rpius | try to load Modest without network connection and you'll see |
| 02:44.17 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, that's without internet connection |
| 02:44.27 | Sc0rpius | but I guess if there's a connection available it'll try to update first |
| 02:44.33 | the_lord | with a slow EDGE connection, it doesn |
| 02:44.40 | the_lord | *doesn't |
| 02:44.49 | the_lord | indeed |
| 02:45.34 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, I could help with the code, but I guess it's plain simple |
| 02:45.47 | the_lord | just move some lines from here to there |
| 02:45.49 | the_lord | :P |
| 02:45.51 | Sc0rpius | but it's weird, I'd have to test it forcing the N900 to EDGE but I'm almost sure it shows the already downloaded headers and then it updates |
| 02:46.13 | Sc0rpius | well the code is there, if you come up with a patch, you can request a merge |
| 02:46.14 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, I'm definetly sure it doesn't :) |
| 02:46.38 | Sc0rpius | ok lemme see |
| 02:48.04 | Sc0rpius | you're right |
| 02:48.13 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, :) |
| 02:48.16 | Sc0rpius | but I wonder if it's a Modest problem... or a tinymail problem |
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| 02:49.28 | the_lord | what does tinymail do? |
| 02:50.45 | Sc0rpius | Modest is just the GUI |
| 02:50.59 | Sc0rpius | TinyMail is the framework Modest uses that actually does everything mail-related |
| 02:51.14 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, ok, nice |
| 02:51.26 | Sc0rpius | anyway tinymail is included in CSSU and the source is there |
| 02:51.34 | Sc0rpius | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu |
| 02:51.39 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, I guess I should really come into maemo developing when I have the chance |
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| 02:51.55 | Sc0rpius | you should, it's fun |
| 02:52.21 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, the problem it's the time :P |
| 02:52.22 | Sc0rpius | right now I'm working in tree view mode for Modest so it's hard for me to take a look at that cache thing |
| 02:52.57 | Sc0rpius | something like this: http://ompldr.org/vN2lhZA |
| 02:53.56 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, I'll put it in my agenda for the weekend, maybe I'll ask for help here to get started |
| 02:54.12 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, nice! it looks very nice |
| 02:54.22 | Sc0rpius | sure, usually there's a lot of people here helping but they are sleeping right now |
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| 02:54.36 | Sc0rpius | yup, no more accounts window and mailboxes window, it's optional of course |
| 02:55.18 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, I used the local dovecot solution, but it was very ugly, and it did not support multiple accounts |
| 02:56.05 | the_lord | but it solved the waiting times |
| 02:56.49 | Sc0rpius | don't you have 3G in your area? |
| 02:57.53 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, nope :( one operator has it, but it sucks real hard |
| 02:58.06 | Sc0rpius | too bad |
| 02:58.22 | Sc0rpius | I get around 2.5 Mbps on 3G with the N900 |
| 02:58.26 | Sc0rpius | not bad for a cell phone |
| 02:58.50 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, it's not that bad, I'm always in WiFi, and the battery life is not that good anyways :) |
| 02:59.19 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, EDGE on my operator is just as good as 3G in the other |
| 02:59.20 | Sc0rpius | http://twitpic.com/3fbqdx <-- there |
| 02:59.44 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, LOOOL, I'm in CCS |
| 02:59.49 | Sc0rpius | really? |
| 03:00.40 | Sc0rpius | in CCS the three providers have 3G actually |
| 03:01.07 | Sc0rpius | but the N900 just works with one |
| 03:01.07 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, yes, but Digitel here is not as good |
| 03:01.25 | Sc0rpius | where in Caracas are you? |
| 03:01.56 | the_lord | my office is in La Trinidad, and my home in Palo Verde |
| 03:02.03 | the_lord | are you from Venezuela? |
| 03:02.09 | Sc0rpius | yes I am |
| 03:02.29 | Sc0rpius | in La Trinidad you'll get the speed you saw in the pic |
| 03:02.35 | Sc0rpius | Palo Verde, I'm not so sure... |
| 03:03.20 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, yes, but _only_ in La Trinidad, there's no much 3G coverage |
| 03:04.02 | the_lord | and Digitel's new data plans are fugly |
| 03:04.07 | Sc0rpius | from Concresa to La Lagunita I guess. They have been slow in Caracas. I get full 3G in Guarenas/Guatire for example |
| 03:04.13 | the_lord | 50Mb max |
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| 03:08.14 | SpeedEvil | I noticed here one plan. |
| 03:08.21 | SpeedEvil | 10G/mo for $20 |
| 03:08.38 | SpeedEvil | And then if you go a gig over, it's $160 |
| 03:09.31 | Sc0rpius | well not badf |
| 03:09.55 | Sc0rpius | that's not bad if you keep your transferred data under 10GB |
| 03:10.29 | the_lord | SpeedEvil, here we can dream with that |
| 03:12.19 | javispedro | talking of the evil, my ISP just seemingly started blocking http. |
| 03:12.33 | javispedro | because I'm still here, I guess. |
| 03:12.53 | Sc0rpius | maybe their webcache crashed |
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| 03:13.56 | javispedro | probably, funnily enough I was trying to read that page about some random guy trying to buy a satellite to give free access around |
| 03:13.56 | Sc0rpius | that's when SSH -D comes handy |
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| 03:14.50 | the_lord | well, see you tomorrow |
| 03:14.55 | Sc0rpius | see ya |
| 03:14.59 | javispedro | cya |
| 03:15.12 | the_lord | bye |
| 03:15.16 | the_lord | Sc0rpius, thx for the help |
| 03:15.19 | Sc0rpius | sure |
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| 03:16.35 | Sc0rpius | wrong button as usual |
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| 03:36.59 | GAN900 | Oh fuck me |
| 03:37.03 | GAN900 | What a week |
| 03:37.31 | GAN900 | USB port just came out of my proto. |
| 03:37.48 | GAN900 | Dropped my personal device under the tap. |
| 03:37.51 | GAN900 | sighs. |
| 03:46.17 | Jartza | hmmh |
| 03:46.19 | Jartza | gnaah |
| 03:46.41 | Jartza | can't get sbrsh to work with scratchbox / diablo |
| 03:46.53 | Jartza | I don't exactly know why |
| 03:47.09 | Ken-Young | GAN900, That really stinks - are you without an N900 now? |
| 03:47.38 | GAN900 | Ken-Young, can charge batteries on my 5800, but rather inconvenient. |
| 03:51.50 | chx | GAN900: i use a lenmar ppuclip |
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| 03:56.05 | internetishard | anyone try one of these $10 ebay 2250mAh batteries for the n900? |
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| 04:01.02 | RobbieThe1st | internetishard: Probably 850ma in reality |
| 04:01.11 | internetishard | haha, why? |
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| 04:01.51 | internetishard | I'd like an external charger, I got these two batteries plus external charger for $10 on ebay a few months ago and it doesn't work very well anymore |
| 04:02.08 | internetishard | It won't charge the original nokia battery just the ones it came with |
| 04:02.28 | RobbieThe1st | Cause almost all the cheap batterys are actually 850mah cheap ones |
| 04:02.30 | internetishard | I'd like two more high qual (official) nokia batteries and a charger that is compatible with them |
| 04:02.49 | RobbieThe1st | I'd look for Japod batteries - they're a quality OEM and seem to work nicely |
| 04:03.09 | RobbieThe1st | the -real- nokia's cost loads, and the "genuine" ones on Ebay are anything but |
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| 04:03.47 | internetishard | how would I charge the japod batteries externally? |
| 04:03.59 | internetishard | the whole point for me is to be able to carry around 2 full batteries with me |
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| 04:04.20 | RobbieThe1st | Um, get a $10 normal charger |
| 04:04.30 | internetishard | what's that? |
| 04:04.36 | internetishard | does it interface with the bats directly? |
| 04:04.57 | RobbieThe1st | Um.. off ebay. they are very cheap Li-on chargers, come for almost all shapes and sizes of battery |
| 04:05.02 | internetishard | where do I get japod batteries? |
| 04:05.10 | RobbieThe1st | I'd look on DealExtreme.com |
| 04:05.23 | internetishard | yeah, the last one i got would charge the batteries it came with but not my official nokia one (Which lasts longer) |
| 04:05.31 | RobbieThe1st | They're a china drop-shipper and do well. |
| 04:05.41 | RobbieThe1st | Look at reviews, there's several Japod models |
| 04:06.11 | internetishard | and use that in some random ebay charger for then900? |
| 04:06.39 | pigeon | is marxian around here? |
| 04:06.56 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, should work fine |
| 04:07.20 | internetishard | you've an external charger? |
| 04:07.32 | internetishard | maybe I can verify a specific one works before I get it |
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| 05:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | I really wonder how such a dirt cheap piece of crap could refuse to charge original Nokia cells exclusively |
| 05:15.05 | pupnik | heh |
| 05:16.04 | RobbieThe1st | Yea :\ |
| 05:16.30 | RobbieThe1st | Either it's under-spec'd and simply -can't charge the large cell, or the Nokia's cell is damaged. |
| 05:16.47 | RobbieThe1st | But I think the latter's far more possible than the former |
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| 05:20.54 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, the Nokia batteries' protection chip kills the charge |
| 05:20.54 | ShadowJK | Some of the cheap ones just dump 5V into the battery |
| 05:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I always thought it has a protection chip, but somebody claimed it doesn't |
| 05:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: anyway it's not the 5V but rather the unmoderated current that is too high and makes cellprot trip |
| 05:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | crazy |
| 05:25.48 | lolcat | Is the other guy trying to get a free nokia here? |
| 05:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | 5V would build up only if the cell is at 110%, or when charged with really high current |
| 05:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: here are no free Nokias |
| 05:26.40 | chx | hm my ppuclip charged the battery just fine. |
| 05:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that is |
| 05:30.05 | Sc0rpius | sleep is very important for health, you people need to sleep |
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| 05:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that is |
| 05:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | ponders finally disassembling a BL-5J |
| 05:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's missing in my horror cabinet ;-) |
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| 05:35.56 | pupnik | mwah found n900 stylus after 10 months |
| 05:36.15 | Sc0rpius | never bought a replacement? |
| 05:36.31 | Sc0rpius | I rarely use the stylus |
| 05:36.36 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 05:36.41 | chx | DocScrutinizer: lenmar ppuclip, that's a universal lion charger, and if there is any smaller then i missed it. |
| 05:36.42 | RST38h | HELO all |
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| 05:37.23 | b004n | hi RST38h |
| 05:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: lol |
| 05:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h |
| 05:38.00 | derf | mo00000000000000000000ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo0o0o0ooo |
| 05:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~moo |
| 05:38.13 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 05:38.53 | Sc0rpius | sadly, all of that is true |
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| 05:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | that has to be a bonsai cow that's twice as much as me |
| 05:41.36 | Sc0rpius | well yeah... considering a cow weights around 1000 kgs |
| 05:41.41 | Sc0rpius | weighs |
| 05:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, so the cow doesn't know about powers of ten |
| 05:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | or simply about zeroes |
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| 05:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | I'm a cow, hear me moo, I weigh twenty times you do... |
| 05:44.44 | Sc0rpius | wow I'm getting old |
| 05:44.49 | Sc0rpius | I had to change font size in almost everything |
| 05:45.06 | Sc0rpius | and now I'm trying to figure out a way in Firefox to zoom all pages by default |
| 05:45.20 | Sc0rpius | it seems I can't read those tiny fonts anymore |
| 05:45.40 | RST38h | There is a"Bigger" option in the menu |
| 05:45.49 | Sc0rpius | I can zoom in |
| 05:45.54 | Sc0rpius | but it's annoying to do it everytime |
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| 05:47.11 | RST38h | no, it is persistent |
| 05:47.29 | RST38h | View->Zoom->ZoomIn |
| 05:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 05:47.53 | Sc0rpius | it's persistent by URL, but if I open another tab and type a different URL it's not zoomed |
| 05:48.06 | RST38h | Nope, it is globallypersistent,at least here |
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| 05:49.04 | Sc0rpius | well not for me |
| 05:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | get a decent screen, like 640*480 :-P |
| 05:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | or a 50" |
| 05:49.55 | RST38h | Sc0: Weird. Same Firefox 3.6? |
| 05:50.09 | Sc0rpius | yup, 3.6.13 |
| 05:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | or glasses |
| 05:50.22 | Sc0rpius | I *have* glasses |
| 05:50.31 | Sc0rpius | I have 2 monitors, one it's 20" 1600x900 and another 17" 1280x1024 |
| 05:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | unbearable I will need some as well soon |
| 05:51.48 | Sc0rpius | I've been wearing glasses for the last 10 years |
| 05:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, probably it's not glasses I need, but carrots |
| 05:52.47 | Sc0rpius | you need to sleep |
| 05:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | can't read a bok anymore under a candle |
| 05:53.00 | Sc0rpius | and me too |
| 05:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | book |
| 05:53.06 | Sc0rpius | I don't read |
| 05:53.08 | Sc0rpius | it's obsolete |
| 05:53.12 | Sc0rpius | I should go to sleep actually |
| 05:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I *never* sleep, didn't you hear about that? |
| 05:53.30 | Sc0rpius | I noticed |
| 05:56.52 | lolcat | Is there any MMS scripts for Maemo? |
| 05:57.02 | lolcat | I get 500 for free with my new provider... |
| 05:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | scripts? |
| 05:57.28 | lolcat | That could send an entire folder or something |
| 05:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 05:57.40 | lolcat | Or do anything usefull with them |
| 05:57.58 | lolcat | I have send 15 MMS my whole life, now I will get 500 a month... |
| 05:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | fmms --help |
| 05:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 05:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | has sent ONE, from a phone of a friend |
| 05:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | and that one didn't pan out like planned, but made the birthday guy bitch at us why we send such crap |
| 05:59.22 | jonwil | never sends SMS or MMS |
| 06:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | lemme put it this way: MMS are dead and forgotten in Germany - maybe whole Europe |
| 06:00.28 | lolcat | I can't decide on if I need two phones with twin sims |
| 06:00.32 | RST38h | never sent or received MMS in his life |
| 06:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | as popular as WAP |
| 06:00.40 | RST38h | Must be a good thing |
| 06:00.41 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: It is pretty much dead here too |
| 06:01.05 | lolcat | Who wants to spend 2NOK at sendig a poor resolution image? |
| 06:01.12 | RST38h | WAP is *very* popular among providers, lets them charge you exorbital prices when you choose a wrong access point by mistake |
| 06:03.01 | lolcat | I don't even get a WAP access point |
| 06:03.08 | lolcat | I have Internet and MMS |
| 06:03.21 | lolcat | Apparently I can use MMS to use IM and such |
| 06:04.52 | lolcat | Is there a usage counter for Maemo? |
| 06:05.01 | lolcat | Like sms/minutes/mb? |
| 06:05.56 | RST38h | MMS traffic is also expensive |
| 06:06.04 | RST38h | So I would avoid using it for anything |
| 06:06.54 | lolcat | I get 500 MB a month with this provider |
| 06:07.08 | lolcat | Think I can use any access point |
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| 06:20.12 | RST38h | Well, when you add up all our calories and then you add up the energy needed to run the computer and the air-conditioner, you get an incredibly large number, somewhere around 11,000 watts. |
| 06:20.24 | RST38h | Did you know a human being at rest only uses 90 watts? Or that a hunter-gatherer needs about 250 watts to hunt and find food? |
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| 06:22.19 | lolcat | RST38h: Oo |
| 06:22.23 | lolcat | A ligth bulb uses that |
| 06:23.22 | nox- | and the brain uses about 12 W iirc |
| 06:23.50 | nox- | bbl |
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| 06:24.05 | doc|home | it's a value for money thing |
| 06:24.07 | RST38h | suggests just keeping the brain then |
| 06:24.09 | doc|home | those watts are cheap |
| 06:24.14 | doc|home | so we use them as such |
| 06:24.54 | RST38h | You do not. This 11kWt figure is for the US. |
| 06:25.19 | doc|home | I'm on hydro. I'd expect it's even cheaper here. |
| 06:26.20 | lolcat | I pay 100USD or something for the power here |
| 06:26.28 | lolcat | I think I get 2-6k watts |
| 06:26.42 | lolcat | Haven't tested what the fuses are rated at |
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| 06:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | err WUT? how did we get from 500 MMS to kW now? |
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| 06:36.11 | pupnik | Compare CNN international to CNN US homepage: http://imgur.com/gallery/G9hpN |
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| 06:39.28 | Ken-Young | pupnik, Are you saying Best Buy isn't the bigger story? |
| 06:40.25 | pupnik | :) |
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| 06:44.34 | RST38h | pupnik:well known stuff |
| 06:44.37 | RST38h | nothing new |
| 06:45.11 | RST38h | cnn asia did interviews with us army deserters during Bush time in the office |
| 06:45.21 | RST38h | cnn usa? not a sign of 'em. |
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| 08:16.08 | Termana | good morning |
| 08:16.52 | biston | in maemo is 'user' a part of the group root by default ? |
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| 08:20.27 | Termana | biston, no |
| 08:20.46 | Venemo | good morning |
| 08:20.54 | Termana | Venemo, good morning |
| 08:21.06 | Venemo | you too Termana |
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| 09:04.55 | MohammadAG | is there a way to crack a router's pass? |
| 09:05.27 | till| | just reset the thing? |
| 09:05.42 | MohammadAG | can't :p |
| 09:06.31 | MohammadAG | I'm connected to it, just forgot the settings page password |
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| 09:10.07 | joppu1 | hard reset with the pin? |
| 09:10.41 | MohammadAG | don't have access to the pin |
| 09:11.19 | joppu1 | the physical pin-hole |
| 09:11.21 | chx | run an exploit against the outdated software stack? |
| 09:12.58 | timeless | chx: that usually works |
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| 09:14.05 | edheldil | MohammadAG: have you tried '0000', '123456' or 'aaaa' yet? ;-) |
| 09:14.26 | MohammadAG | yeah :p |
| 09:15.03 | edheldil | why can't you reset the thing, then? |
| 09:15.44 | MohammadAG | it's my school's router |
| 09:16.22 | joga | it exists physically? ;) |
| 09:16.56 | MohammadAG | TD-W8901G |
| 09:17.00 | MohammadAG | I'm connected to it |
| 09:17.09 | MohammadAG | just need the plaintext pass |
| 09:17.49 | till| | are you sure you "need" it? :p |
| 09:18.30 | MohammadAG | yes :P |
| 09:20.51 | joga | have you changed it? |
| 09:21.07 | joga | or is it one of the default ones, like "admin"? |
| 09:21.46 | joga | for that modem it's admin/admin apparently |
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| 09:22.31 | edheldil | apparently |
| 09:23.22 | jacekowski | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/22/0244242/German-Foreign-Office-Going-Back-To-Windows |
| 09:25.54 | joga | aww they had to write their own printer drivers :( |
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| 09:28.15 | timeless | jacekowski: isn't that old? |
| 09:28.43 | jacekowski | dunno |
| 09:28.46 | jacekowski | i've just seen it now |
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| 09:30.09 | crashanddie | timeless, it hit the /. front page this morning |
| 09:30.29 | kerio | so yes, it's old |
| 09:30.57 | timeless | the article is from the 16th |
| 09:31.03 | timeless | which makes it nearly a week old |
| 09:31.09 | timeless | wonders if it's just a duplicate |
| 09:31.42 | edheldil | sad, but as far I know users, they would complain regardless of real functionality |
| 09:31.45 | Hoxzer | tim |
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| 09:32.33 | timeless | edheldil: what interests me is the time lag |
| 09:32.41 | timeless | 2007=>2011 is 4 years |
| 09:33.00 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 09:33.05 | timeless | it sounds roughly like the turnover interval for a politician |
| 09:33.06 | FIQ|n900 | let's see |
| 09:33.10 | edheldil | new (IT) management, probably, elections ... |
| 09:33.32 | FIQ|n900 | if i reflash, what will disappear (per default, not "complete" reflash)? |
| 09:33.40 | timeless | FIQ|n900: um |
| 09:33.51 | timeless | do you have a backup? |
| 09:34.00 | FIQ|n900 | i don't need my FAT32 things, but my home partition mostly |
| 09:34.01 | timeless | everything in MyDocs will survive |
| 09:34.11 | timeless | that's about it |
| 09:34.13 | FIQ|n900 | not yet, but i will make one before i reflash |
| 09:34.16 | FIQ|n900 | meh |
| 09:34.21 | FIQ|n900 | aka useless things |
| 09:34.29 | timeless | i believe you'll lose home too |
| 09:34.30 | FIQ|n900 | (for me) |
| 09:34.37 | FIQ|n900 | ok then |
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| 09:34.42 | timeless | hasn't really thought about it much |
| 09:34.52 | timeless | there's a separate image for MyDocs |
| 09:34.54 | FIQ|n900 | i guess i will cp things i want to save to SD then |
| 09:35.04 | timeless | hrm, actually |
| 09:35.13 | timeless | home and mydocs are on a single physical device |
| 09:35.19 | timeless | so maybe home would survive |
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| 09:35.26 | FIQ|n900 | and, FYI, i've repartitioned |
| 09:35.28 | timeless | personally, i'd just create a backup :) |
| 09:35.33 | FIQ|n900 | so FAT32 is the smaller one |
| 09:35.36 | FIQ|n900 | Yeah, guess so :p |
| 09:35.56 | timeless | sorry, it's been ages since i've worried about this |
| 09:35.58 | timeless | home should survive |
| 09:36.08 | timeless | but things like your WiFi settings will be lost |
| 09:36.17 | timeless | for me, those are the most important part of my device |
| 09:36.23 | FIQ|n900 | noooooes, that was sooo hard to configure! |
| 09:36.29 | FIQ|n900 | anyway |
| 09:36.32 | timeless | that and my telepathy + mail settings |
| 09:36.37 | FIQ|n900 | lol |
| 09:36.38 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
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| 09:36.44 | timeless | has ~10 accounts |
| 09:36.46 | FIQ|n900 | all of home then? |
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| 09:37.07 | timeless | wifi settings aren't in /home |
| 09:37.13 | FIQ|n900 | ah |
| 09:37.14 | timeless | use the backup app to create a backup |
| 09:37.25 | timeless | then backup home+mydocs |
| 09:37.33 | FIQ|n900 | how is backups stored? |
| 09:37.44 | timeless | it's a directory containing zip files in MyDocs |
| 09:38.03 | FIQ|n900 | hrm |
| 09:38.06 | mece | \o |
| 09:38.07 | mece | hello |
| 09:38.19 | timeless | /o |
| 09:38.30 | timeless | olleh |
| 09:38.31 | FIQ|n900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.43 | timeless | the backup isn't a backup of home |
| 09:38.48 | timeless | it's a backup of stuff in / |
| 09:38.52 | timeless | (mostly) |
| 09:38.52 | mece | Nice to see a lot of cool stuff included in the latest cssu update |
| 09:39.01 | mece | but how does one enable them? |
| 09:39.08 | FIQ|n900 | Hm, ok |
| 09:39.08 | timeless | mece: enable? |
| 09:39.23 | timeless | FIQ|n900: and if it does something stupid, a bug needs to be filed |
| 09:39.37 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 09:39.46 | FIQ|n900 | Does it backup my installed packages list, or will i have to dpkg -l and store in a text file manually? |
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| 09:41.58 | mece | timeless, well there was some transition updates by thp, and many desktops and whatnot.. |
| 09:42.47 | timeless | FIQ|n900: your questions would be answered if you tried to do it.. |
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| 09:44.03 | thp | mece: /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini ;) |
| 09:44.25 | psycho_oreos | wifi settings can be seen through gconftool |
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| 09:45.27 | mece | thp, cheers! |
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| 09:46.22 | mece | Fixed redirects in the wiki btw. cssu and CSSU now redirects to Community_SSU so if you want a shorter link to post, you can use that. (http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU) |
| 09:46.28 | djszapi | What is the name of the internet browser on my N900 ? I would like to open a local html file up and I thought if I knew the name of the browser I could run it from console with the desired html file as an argument. |
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| 09:46.50 | psycho_oreos | microB |
| 09:47.08 | mece | djszapi, browser.launch perhaps? |
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| 09:47.38 | mece | hmm |
| 09:47.41 | mece | that segfaulted.. |
| 09:48.32 | mece | djszapi, browser --url=http://asdf.com |
| 09:48.37 | mece | djszapi, works |
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| 09:53.34 | mece | was pr 1.3.3.7-6 released today or yesterday? I thought I might add a date to the changelog there. |
| 09:53.51 | timeless | 1.3.3.7-6 ?? |
| 09:54.26 | timeless | djszapi: technically you should probably use hildonmime or dbus or something to dispatch your file/url :) |
| 09:55.28 | mece | timeless, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#PR_1.3.3.7-6 |
| 09:55.37 | timeless | mece: |
| 09:55.39 | timeless | > use http://j.mp/communityssu as a quick link to this page from your Nokia N900) |
| 09:55.49 | timeless | communityssu isn't particularly quick |
| 09:56.02 | timeless | m5cssu ? |
| 09:56.52 | timeless | > In all, there are a series of installations for which HAM will prompt you with messages and warnings. Click "accept" and "done" for each and let HAM install all the community packages. |
| 09:57.11 | timeless | "in all" expects "in all there are <n-countable>" |
| 09:57.35 | timeless | > Once done (ie. no further install prompts appear after some while), |
| 09:57.36 | timeless | s/ie |
| 09:57.43 | timeless | s/ie\./i.e./g |
| 09:57.58 | timeless | s/some while/some time/g |
| 09:58.25 | timeless | > to ensure HAM will now be using community repository for updates. |
| 09:58.33 | timeless | s/be using/use/ |
| 09:59.01 | timeless | you should really avoid <be> but especially avoid <be>-verb<ing> |
| 10:00.15 | mece | this is pretty short: http://is.gd/mcssu |
| 10:00.30 | timeless | sold. |
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| 10:05.23 | djszapi | timeless: actually I should use the filemanager and open the index.html from there. |
| 10:05.38 | timeless | djszapi: good plan |
| 10:05.39 | timeless | http://abcnews.go.com/US/mark-ciavarella-pa-juvenile-court-judge-convicted-alleged/story?id=12965182 |
| 10:05.40 | timeless | sighs |
| 10:06.25 | djszapi | timeless: yeah, it works, but thank you for your help mece, anway. |
| 10:06.28 | djszapi | * anyway |
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| 10:10.51 | alterego | X-Fade: ping |
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| 10:22.47 | alterego | X-Fade: if you get this, can you look at the annoying curl build loop, it's been spamming me for the past 3 days :( |
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| 10:25.27 | avenon | hi |
| 10:25.40 | avenon | I've installed the kernel-power |
| 10:26.04 | alterego | Good for you .. |
| 10:26.07 | avenon | if I want overclock it do I need to install another specific version or can I overclock |
| 10:26.10 | alterego | :) |
| 10:26.12 | avenon | from the phone |
| 10:26.16 | avenon | :) |
| 10:26.16 | Venemo | avenon: don't overclock |
| 10:26.20 | avenon | why not? |
| 10:26.25 | Venemo | avenon: we don't support overclocking |
| 10:26.33 | avenon | ? |
| 10:26.39 | alterego | Check the numerous threads, and don't OC unless you want to severly reduce the life expectancy of your device. |
| 10:26.41 | avenon | what do you mean? |
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| 10:26.46 | pexi | i support OC |
| 10:26.57 | avenon | pexi, cool |
| 10:27.00 | avenon | :) |
| 10:27.24 | pexi | just remember to use it finland at winter |
| 10:27.29 | avenon | lol |
| 10:27.31 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure in other words, if you overclocked and cooked that poor TI OMAP CPU of yours, don't come looking for us |
| 10:27.39 | avenon | of course |
| 10:27.49 | avenon | maybe I'll not use 1.1 Ghz |
| 10:27.56 | avenon | it's ok 900 |
| 10:28.13 | tybollt | psycho_oreos: fact it - don't come looking here in either case - this is now an officially close-to-unsupported platform |
| 10:28.18 | tybollt | fact is * |
| 10:28.33 | avenon | so do I need another kernel or it's ok power-kernel? |
| 10:28.35 | psycho_oreos | tybollt, I think that's a bit too extreme :P |
| 10:33.33 | timeless | mece: i hope you updated the wiki too :) |
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| 10:34.22 | timeless | avenon: just go out and buy yourself your very own cpu |
| 10:34.47 | avenon | I need it on the n900 phone :) |
| 10:34.50 | timeless | generally speaking no one wants to support people who OC because OC'ing can cause all sorts of random failures anywhere else in the system at any time |
| 10:35.07 | timeless | *why* do you need it on your phone? |
| 10:35.19 | timeless | my n900 can ssh into an entire corporate environment |
| 10:35.37 | timeless | plus two open source community environments, and at least one expandable cloud |
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| 10:35.51 | timeless | that gives my n900 lots of power w/o heat issues |
| 10:36.12 | timeless | i can run desktop firefox, i can run desktop virtualbox |
| 10:36.21 | timeless | i can run mathematica or matlab |
| 10:36.38 | timeless | all from the portable comfort of my own standard non hacked n900 |
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| 10:37.16 | timeless | (n.b. i've only actually used firefox of those 4, but i certainly could use the others) |
| 10:37.55 | alterego | Sweet, QML and my OpenGL engine work very nicely together :) |
| 10:38.14 | timeless | avenon: seriously, what application(s) or use case(s) do you have which actually force you to need OC |
| 10:38.28 | timeless | alterego: =) |
| 10:39.46 | avenon | timeless, I need to process a framerate of 20MBits/s from an usb camera |
| 10:39.51 | avenon | isochronous transfer |
| 10:40.06 | alterego | Even transparency performs well :D |
| 10:40.09 | alterego | AWESOME! |
| 10:40.09 | avenon | there are problems so I think it's the cpu |
| 10:40.52 | timeless | gulp |
| 10:41.08 | avenon | I'm one month trying to solve this problem so I think it's time to try the OC |
| 10:41.10 | timeless | what are you putting those bits? |
| 10:41.16 | alterego | More likely memory .. |
| 10:41.20 | alterego | and swap |
| 10:41.29 | avenon | uhm |
| 10:41.30 | timeless | do they get sent to disk? network? swap? |
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| 10:42.06 | avenon | I have to check it |
| 10:42.08 | avenon | :D |
| 10:42.15 | timeless | ponders 2.5MB/s doesn't sound too stressful |
| 10:42.26 | timeless | avenon: that's definitely something you should know... |
| 10:42.37 | avenon | timeless, yep you're right |
| 10:42.56 | avenon | for example, |
| 10:43.06 | timeless | alterego: offhand, any idea what speeds we get using the n900 as usb-mass-storage? |
| 10:43.18 | avenon | by default where should they go? |
| 10:43.37 | alterego | timeless: in my experience pretty much standard USB 2 speeds |
| 10:43.47 | avenon | sorry sorry |
| 10:44.01 | timeless | alterego: somewhere around 10MB/s? |
| 10:44.03 | avenon | it is not 20 MB |
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| 10:44.05 | avenon | no MBits |
| 10:44.17 | psycho_oreos | you meant Mbits :p |
| 10:44.23 | timeless | avenon: you said MBits earlier |
| 10:44.25 | avenon | Megabytes |
| 10:44.30 | avenon | yep my fault |
| 10:44.32 | timeless | i don't deal in MBits |
| 10:44.39 | timeless | oh, so you meant 20MB/s? |
| 10:44.41 | nid0 | 20MB/s? |
| 10:44.43 | avenon | yep |
| 10:44.47 | avenon | it's a lot |
| 10:44.55 | timeless | right |
| 10:44.58 | avenon | maybe I can reduce it to 10 MB/s |
| 10:45.02 | avenon | but it's a lot anyway |
| 10:45.09 | timeless | anyway, my first question was to alterego about usb-mass-storage |
| 10:45.13 | avenon | and so maybe it's a cpu problem now |
| 10:45.16 | timeless | if we only get 10MB/s doing mass storage |
| 10:45.18 | nid0 | you'd be lucky to get that through the usb link, regardless of the device at the end |
| 10:45.30 | timeless | then i wouldn't bother trying to get better than 10MB/s on the link |
| 10:45.37 | timeless | and i'd assume the link is the limit |
| 10:45.48 | avenon | uhm so you're saying that the usb cable is the problem? |
| 10:45.55 | timeless | no |
| 10:46.01 | timeless | i'd finger the controller/port |
| 10:46.10 | timeless | but i'm not pointing fingers |
| 10:46.14 | avenon | I have modified the controller |
| 10:46.17 | nid0 | usb technology itself is the problem, almost no usb2 controllers are actually that fast |
| 10:46.18 | avenon | driver |
| 10:46.25 | timeless | i'm asking someone to check the speed for the mass-storage device |
| 10:46.31 | avenon | and now it works better |
| 10:46.42 | avenon | at least I don't get errors |
| 10:46.45 | timeless | avenon: so what speed do you get for usb-mass-storage? |
| 10:46.53 | timeless | sobs |
| 10:46.56 | avenon | I have to check it again |
| 10:46.59 | nid0 | im checking now timeless |
| 10:47.02 | avenon | but with these settings |
| 10:47.06 | timeless | not getting i/o errors on usb-mass-storage would be a good thing |
| 10:47.10 | avenon | it's possible to start the transfer |
| 10:47.16 | avenon | before it wasn't possible |
| 10:47.19 | timeless | hypothetically i know of people who suffer because that's missing somewhere |
| 10:47.25 | timeless | (thankfully not on the n900) |
| 10:47.41 | timeless | nid0: thanks |
| 10:47.49 | nid0 | im getting around 8.5MB/s |
| 10:48.04 | avenon | k |
| 10:49.35 | nid0 | yeah 8.5-8.8MB/s seems about its' limit |
| 10:50.28 | avenon | instead |
| 10:50.34 | avenon | on a normal pc how much is? |
| 10:50.37 | avenon | it |
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| 10:55.59 | timeless | avenon: anyway, since we're not even getting 10MB/s for mass storage, i would recommend you not bother trying to do better than 8MB/s for your usb device |
| 10:56.27 | timeless | nid0: =~ s/its'/its/ [its is already possessive] |
| 10:56.31 | avenon | timeless, damn it |
| 10:57.12 | timeless | nid0: just for kicks, can you confirm that <uptime> doesn't show high cpu load? :) |
| 10:57.30 | timeless | -- might as well rule out the "overclocking would help" argument... |
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| 10:59.05 | nid0 | yea load peaks at around 0.5 while transferring as mass storage and not actively doing anything else, hovering around 85% idle |
| 10:59.07 | avenon | nid0, but have you a overclocked kernel? |
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| 10:59.12 | nid0 | no |
| 10:59.32 | avenon | does anyone have tried it with a modified kernel? |
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| 11:00.05 | SpeedEvil | I get 30M/s with my older thinkpad, to USB |
| 11:00.39 | avenon | SpeedEvil, how much is fast the CPU? |
| 11:00.49 | SpeedEvil | 1.6GHz |
| 11:01.01 | avenon | uhm k |
| 11:01.18 | SpeedEvil | That's not really directly related though |
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| 11:06.36 | SpeedEvil | Interestingly, with three drives, I get 14.2M/s - an aggregate of 42M - which is quite close to theoretical max. |
| 11:07.40 | avenon | cool |
| 11:07.54 | avenon | anyway in the kernel there is written: |
| 11:08.41 | avenon | ISO not tested ... might work, but only weakly isochronous' |
| 11:08.46 | avenon | :/ |
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| 11:22.19 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: do you want an N950? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=952531#post952531 |
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| 11:25.21 | lolcat | Venemo_N900: N950?! |
| 11:25.53 | Venemo_N900 | lolcat: it's news to me too. read the thread. |
| 11:29.40 | ruskie | is seriously tired of "it needs flash 10"... |
| 11:29.47 | lolcat | No specs? |
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| 11:30.46 | lolcat | ruskie: I disable flash and java in my main browser, I wish I was competent enough to disable gif too |
| 11:31.45 | ruskie | lolcat, I simply don't install them |
| 11:32.42 | timeless | hey, does KMine support flowerpots? |
| 11:35.09 | timeless | hates /.'s anti AC posting features |
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| 11:37.58 | lolcat | ruskie: I need java to use my online bank |
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| 11:38.57 | lolcat | http://www.concept-phones.com/nokia/nokia-n950-brings-twist-original-design-n900/ |
| 11:39.01 | lolcat | I don't understand it |
| 11:39.05 | lolcat | How does that even work? |
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| 11:41.27 | psycho_oreos | `its magic' - apple support monkey once said :p |
| 11:41.35 | psycho_oreos | still it looks fat |
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| 11:43.05 | lolcat | I think Ill buy it |
| 11:43.09 | lolcat | If meego is usable |
| 11:43.13 | Venemo_N900 | I hope that that pic is not true |
| 11:43.23 | lolcat | Why? |
| 11:44.31 | lolcat | Venemo_N900: ^ |
| 11:44.34 | lolcat | It seams fine |
| 11:44.43 | Venemo_N900 | it looks ugly. |
| 11:44.57 | Venemo_N900 | only the qwerty would be enough for me |
| 11:44.57 | toggles | I preorderd mine |
| 11:45.02 | psycho_oreos | to me personally it seems like its quite easy to break. I mean sliding in two different directions, wtf |
| 11:45.21 | psycho_oreos | apart from that its hardly different from N900 |
| 11:46.02 | lolcat | I would love it |
| 11:46.42 | lolcat | psycho_oreos: Phone insurance is like... 6USD a month? |
| 11:47.32 | psycho_oreos | lolcat, and you should know very well how insurance companies work by now :) They like to take money rather than to give money especially at times of need |
| 11:47.42 | lolcat | I broke my N97 |
| 11:47.56 | lolcat | Or rather, some dude hit me in my face, and ran off with it |
| 11:48.15 | psycho_oreos | good riddance? ;) |
| 11:48.24 | lolcat | Still they gave me more than I paid for it to buy a N900 |
| 11:48.37 | psycho_oreos | nice |
| 11:48.55 | lolcat | And at the shop I bougth the N900 they only had the display model |
| 11:49.01 | lolcat | So it was 60% cheaper |
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| 11:49.41 | lolcat | But the salesman let me get it as a package deal with usb headset, memorycard and some other things so I would get the full amount from the insurance company |
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| 11:50.12 | lolcat | err, bluetooth headset |
| 11:50.40 | Venemo_N900 | eh. N900 froze :( |
| 11:51.02 | psycho_oreos | then again I think yer premiums will skyrocket :P |
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| 11:51.26 | lolcat | psycho_oreos: Fixed price, wich I think is crazy |
| 11:51.38 | lolcat | 36NOK no mather what make or model your phone is |
| 11:51.52 | lolcat | Of course that pays of when I have a N900 |
| 11:52.04 | lolcat | It costs twice the amount most other phones does |
| 11:53.03 | SpeedEvil | Of course the fun arises when n900 is no longer sold. |
| 11:53.14 | SpeedEvil | And they replace your n900 with an 'equivalent' phone. |
| 11:53.18 | psycho_oreos | lolcat, so you don't pay extra just to reclaim a new one? sounds like a rather nice loophole one can scam to get heaps of phones through that sort of deal :p |
| 11:53.19 | SpeedEvil | n97. say. |
| 11:53.58 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: :D |
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| 11:54.30 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - n900 still out of stock at nokia.co.uk |
| 11:54.33 | psycho_oreos | N8 |
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| 11:54.58 | lolcat | psycho_oreos: Well, after two lost phones in 1 or 2 years, then you will have to pay 1000-1500NOK yourself |
| 11:55.00 | Venemo_N900 | you can fetch N900s from ebay for a fair used price |
| 11:55.03 | nid0 | psycho_oreos: most phone insurance in the uk is kinda like that, fixed premium and a small excess, = "break" your phone every 2 years for a freebie upgrade |
| 11:55.55 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: You won't they go by a list price, if they don't sell it (my phone company owns a phone shop) then they use the last price and I get to pick myself |
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| 11:56.45 | SpeedEvil | http://shop.nokia.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10512_10102_-11_20000387 |
| 11:56.46 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 11:56.49 | SpeedEvil | wonders. |
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| 11:57.31 | psycho_oreos | lolcat, ahh so there is that bit of catch eh? well I thought it was pretty funny how it was evidently a big flaw. |
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| 11:57.45 | psycho_oreos | nid0, nice |
| 11:57.56 | edheldil | n950? That MWC presentation, sounds like Nokia is toying with us :) |
| 11:58.13 | psycho_oreos | time will tell |
| 11:58.13 | lolcat | psycho_oreos: Well, their shop is really expencive, and high end phones like the N900 never gets a low list price, whilst most shops sells it bellow the listprice |
| 11:58.36 | SpeedEvil | n950 - was something announced? |
| 11:58.46 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:59.24 | mece | wot? |
| 11:59.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n950-meego-phone-named-very-elegant-hardware-says-cto-video-22135076/ |
| 11:59.50 | SpeedEvil | " Last month, the MeeGo team took its UI development covert as it finalized the latest update ahead of being considered âfeature complete.â" |
| 12:00.01 | psycho_oreos | lolcat, *shrugs* for one to sell you a display phone at a reduced price is rather nice but I still remain cynical, They probably weren't selling that many N900 in the first place and therefore they may as well get rid of the one that's been on display for quite sometime :) |
| 12:01.08 | lolcat | psycho_oreos: Still, it was good. I got a bluetooth headset, I got a 32gb micro sd card. THe phone had a barley visible scratch in the screen. And the insurance company had to pay more than my N97 was sold for. |
| 12:01.31 | lolcat | And this was another shop, not the one owned by the phone/insurance company |
| 12:01.33 | Arkenoi | wants hardware keyboard (fuck Elop) |
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| 12:01.52 | SpeedEvil | also wants hw keyboard. |
| 12:02.13 | nid0 | wants a *decent* hw keyboard, or none |
| 12:02.18 | SpeedEvil | And yes. |
| 12:02.21 | lolcat | I will never settle for a touch screen keyboard |
| 12:02.29 | Venemo_N900 | wants hwkb too |
| 12:02.41 | Arkenoi | won't buy all singing-and-dancing n950 just because hw kb is mandatory for me. |
| 12:02.44 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.46 | psycho_oreos | lolcat, yeah I know but still :) there's something a little fishy there is all I'm pointing out |
| 12:03.06 | SpeedEvil | Today, elegant hardware seems to mean a slim, rounded rectangle, with no slider. |
| 12:03.08 | lolcat | arno0ob: Doesn't N950 have two hwkbs? |
| 12:03.19 | nid0 | lolcat: why would it? |
| 12:03.19 | Venemo_N900 | no actual pics of n950 are leaked yet |
| 12:03.30 | lolcat | nid0: My images had! |
| 12:03.30 | Venemo_N900 | only concepts |
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| 12:03.40 | Arkenoi | actually that's fucking apple cargo cult |
| 12:03.45 | Venemo_N900 | so, those pics are only speculation |
| 12:03.51 | psycho_oreos | doesn't see any need to rush into buying let alone pre-ordering N950, they guy hasn't even posted the details. For all we know is what it may look like but it could running on some really crappy hardware |
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| 12:04.07 | nid0 | random concept image by random person copy/pasting an n900 with an extra little keypad != new phone design |
| 12:04.15 | ruskie | :) |
| 12:04.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.concept-phones.com/nokia/nokia-n950-brings-twist-original-design-n900/ |
| 12:04.18 | SpeedEvil | lol |
| 12:04.22 | Venemo_N900 | nid0: ++ |
| 12:04.37 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: That is how it will look |
| 12:04.37 | SpeedEvil | I love the way 'designers' can do a lovely shaded model. |
| 12:04.57 | SpeedEvil | But utterly don't bother working out how the slide mechanism works, as that's boring. |
| 12:05.02 | psycho_oreos | just typical `icing' that artist usually does |
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| 12:05.34 | lolcat | I would buy the one with the number pad |
| 12:05.45 | SpeedEvil | If we're going unrealistic, I want a flippable display, with e-ink on one side. |
| 12:06.07 | Venemo_N900 | lol |
| 12:06.14 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: I want dual screen! |
| 12:06.17 | nid0 | well a dual slider itself isnt unrealistic, its been done before |
| 12:06.17 | lolcat | One on each side |
| 12:06.20 | ruskie | I want eink as well |
| 12:06.28 | trx | i want just smart e-ink |
| 12:06.33 | trx | no chips.. :) |
| 12:06.41 | Venemo_N900 | I just want a sliding keyboard with an adjustable angle |
| 12:06.45 | SpeedEvil | nid0: Sure - but it adds weight, complexity, ... |
| 12:07.17 | lcuk | i just want a working solid reliable Nokia phone :) |
| 12:07.25 | lolcat | But would dual screen (one on each side) be so difficult? |
| 12:07.26 | SpeedEvil | http://thenokiaguide.com/2010/08/19/the-first-meego-device-makes-its-appearance/ |
| 12:07.31 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: yes |
| 12:07.56 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: It complicates the case design enormously, as well as makes it thicker, the display is at least 2-3mm thick. |
| 12:08.06 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: any info from an actually reliable source? |
| 12:08.06 | nid0 | bollocks to 1 on each side, id much rather they just go for the original communicator-style layout |
| 12:08.08 | trx | also, you need bigger battery |
| 12:08.16 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: I don't like that last image |
| 12:08.17 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: I doubt it. |
| 12:08.29 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: I suspect it'll be better than what arrives. |
| 12:08.35 | SpeedEvil | I hope I'm wrong. |
| 12:08.46 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 12:08.51 | lolcat | More ram and cpu enough for open office would be nice |
| 12:09.05 | SpeedEvil | More RAM is a gimme. |
| 12:09.20 | SpeedEvil | At the time the n900 was designed, there were no suitable 512M RAM chips. |
| 12:09.36 | lolcat | How much ram do the android phones usually come with? CPU? |
| 12:09.46 | SpeedEvil | To clarify. |
| 12:09.47 | Arkenoi | btw i noticed that typical phone for nokia upper management seen in public was ancient n95. it was a sign not to be ignored. |
| 12:09.49 | psycho_oreos | depends |
| 12:10.03 | SpeedEvil | The CPU has the RAM mounted on top. There were no suitable 512M RAM chips available. |
| 12:10.38 | nid0 | lols |
| 12:10.42 | nid0 | hows this for a bad picture |
| 12:10.43 | nid0 | http://www.nokiasite.net/tech-news/nokia-e7-hitting-play-com-on-march-21/ |
| 12:11.57 | nid0 | somehow managed to combine 3 different phones into 1 picture |
| 12:13.34 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:13.37 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: The N950 will have a bether cpu |
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| 12:14.28 | mece | oo meego phone speculations! |
| 12:14.30 | mece | I like |
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| 12:16.20 | lolcat | Arkenoi: Old Nokia phones were awesome |
| 12:16.51 | Venemo_N900 | Arkenoi: N95 was their last really decent phone (until N900) |
| 12:16.52 | psycho_oreos | except for N95-1 |
| 12:17.12 | nid0 | hugs e90 |
| 12:17.24 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: no |
| 12:17.33 | jonwil | N900 was the first phone that made me even look in the direction of a Nokia handset |
| 12:17.37 | mece | i liked my N95-1 |
| 12:17.38 | Venemo_N900 | actually, N95-1 was the best. |
| 12:18.23 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, um yes :p it was feeblishly powered with a puny RAM. It kept crashing on me several times until several firmware updates reduced the amounts of crashes |
| 12:18.35 | jonwil | I very nearly bought Motorola or HTC but both manufacturers lock down their phones too much for my taste |
| 12:18.40 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: never crashed for me |
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| 12:20.07 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, you were lucky then, for me I've had nothing but woes with n95-1. When it comes to tinkering it would just bitch and moan, if you didn't heed to those calls it would just crash instead. Think of ROMPatcher when it came to disabling those gay camera/video sounds |
| 12:20.27 | ruskie | I got a N95... hmm after the 20.x update... |
| 12:21.02 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: dunno, I just turned those sounds off from the menu |
| 12:21.06 | psycho_oreos | I still have my N95-1 but I don't really care much about it, it would just complain about Inserting SIM card |
| 12:21.16 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, that wasn't possible with my firmware |
| 12:21.18 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, it wouldn't actually |
| 12:21.22 | ruskie | it can run wifi only |
| 12:21.24 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: it was. |
| 12:21.40 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, what do you mean it can run wifi only? |
| 12:21.44 | ruskie | the n95 |
| 12:21.48 | ruskie | no need for a sim card |
| 12:22.09 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: it wasn't a separate option; it was together with other such sounds |
| 12:22.23 | ruskie | I tend to have the n95 around my bed somewhere so I can use putty on it to ssh around my network if I'm to lazy to get up...(me n900 tends to be forgotten someplace just like any other phone)... |
| 12:22.27 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, I think you had a different firmware to mine. There was absolutely no settings to disable sound. I'm also sure nokia forums was littered with people asking how to turn them off. Its per country regulation |
| 12:22.46 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, it didn't in my case. I must have the SIM card inserted or it would not function |
| 12:23.09 | ruskie | odd |
| 12:23.14 | ruskie | it does go into offline mode true |
| 12:23.14 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, as in nothing else usable except asking for insertion of SIM card. Just like what a normal phone would ask |
| 12:23.21 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: I don't have it with me, but I'll look at it when I get home |
| 12:24.01 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, I dunno I haven't updated mine for awhile but the inserting SIM messages are really annoying |
| 12:24.32 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, under camera? there were only shutter 1-4, nothing such as disable.. in the meantime I'll look for that thread |
| 12:24.44 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: no. under sound |
| 12:24.48 | ruskie | yeah the camera sound wasn't disablable on all |
| 12:25.12 | Venemo_N900 | it's the same option that disables battery sounds too |
| 12:25.37 | ruskie | warning sounds |
| 12:26.08 | Venemo_N900 | not sure of its English designation, but that one disabled camera sounds too for me |
| 12:26.25 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, V31.0.017 16-12-08 RM-159 (13.01) |
| 12:26.40 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, looking for it, bet I won't find it |
| 12:26.58 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, and the phone is in offline mode? |
| 12:27.29 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, no, I can switch to offline mode only if I have the SIM card inserted |
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| 12:27.45 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, there wasn't a sound menu. There was settings but nothing about sound |
| 12:27.48 | ruskie | hmm |
| 12:27.52 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, N95? |
| 12:27.58 | ruskie | something broken sounds to me... |
| 12:28.07 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, N95-1 (RM-159), the non-NAM version |
| 12:28.19 | MohammadAG | yeah, the one I have :p |
| 12:28.42 | ruskie | has -1 as well |
| 12:28.44 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, its been giving me shits since 2 months after the happy little purchase that I made awhile back. It still gives me shits when it plays up |
| 12:29.07 | MohammadAG | no problems here, might give it to a friend though |
| 12:29.22 | psycho_oreos | maybe firmware update is definitely required? |
| 12:29.23 | MohammadAG | tbh, it's one of my favorite phones |
| 12:29.36 | MohammadAG | v35 is latest, what problems are you having? |
| 12:29.56 | ruskie | hmm I think mine is still @31... |
| 12:30.08 | psycho_oreos | the battery door is so flimsy that it was easy for one to break the legs off it. I eventually used sticky tapes to hold it in place |
| 12:30.23 | ruskie | would probably need to verify that it can be cracked first though |
| 12:30.30 | MohammadAG | heh, I'm sure we all had that problem |
| 12:30.45 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, V31, I had to use various hacks to get shit to work. My main gripe mainly lies with the stupid `Insert SIM card' message now |
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| 12:30.59 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 12:31.23 | ruskie | had no probs with the battery door |
| 12:31.26 | psycho_oreos | I had to crack mine just to get rid of that stupid camera shutter sounds, just to get C:\ and Z:\ visible. Just to be able to install things like pynetmony |
| 12:31.42 | MohammadAG | C: and Z: are always visible |
| 12:31.53 | MohammadAG | C:\Private isn't |
| 12:32.06 | MohammadAG | Z: can't be written to sadly |
| 12:32.07 | psycho_oreos | or sys files, etc |
| 12:32.19 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 12:32.26 | MohammadAG | rompatcher ftw |
| 12:32.26 | ruskie | I bought it evening on a saturday |
| 12:32.32 | ruskie | by lunch sunday it was cracked |
| 12:32.49 | psycho_oreos | yeah I had to use that just to also get rid of the stupid camera shutter/video recording sounds |
| 12:33.06 | ruskie | I just did it out of matter of principle... my device... I can do what I want with it |
| 12:33.37 | lolcat | Can you disable the N900 camera sound? |
| 12:33.39 | ruskie | actually the way my n95 is currently configured I can just slot in a sim and still have everything I did to id... |
| 12:33.41 | psycho_oreos | thinks what a pain in the ass, its much like how one normally has to jailbreak the nowadays the equivalent on android, iOS and WP7 |
| 12:33.54 | psycho_oreos | lolcat, yes its noted in the wiki, plus using silent mode also works |
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| 12:35.57 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, can you run that n95-1 without SIM card now? |
| 12:36.02 | divan | What are 'tactile popups'? |
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| 12:40.06 | thp | divan: vibration when the appmenu/dialogs appear/disappear |
| 12:40.46 | divan | thp, thanks. Is it useful? worth trying? |
| 12:41.00 | thp | i like it (but i'm obviously biased, as i wrote it :p) |
| 12:41.11 | ruskie | sounds like another energy guzzling thing that will be not-installed/disabled |
| 12:41.21 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
| 12:41.31 | Venemo_N900 | I also dislike vibrations |
| 12:41.56 | ruskie | I have them for feedback... set to uber low... but that's mainly because I rarely use the touchscreen... |
| 12:42.48 | LjL | wonders whether this Diablo Turbo thing is dangerous crap or what |
| 12:42.58 | thp | the way tactile feedback is enabled by default is useless - it also vibrates if you touch areas that are not "sensitive" (e.g. you don't hit a button) |
| 12:43.58 | ruskie | true |
| 12:45.23 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/hardware-mods/8426-diy-how-disable-shutter-sound-red-led-nokia-nokia-n95-8gb-nokia-n95.html#post67922 <-- re: <Venemo_N900> psycho_oreos: dunno, I just turned those sounds off from the menu |
| 12:46.43 | jarkkom_ | it's legally mandated thing that you must not be able to disable it in some areas |
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| 12:46.50 | pupnik | it's amazing how scummy ebay sellers of phones are :) |
| 12:46.51 | jarkkom_ | US, middle east firmware don't have the option |
| 12:47.16 | psycho_oreos | AU doesn't have the option to mute it either |
| 12:47.46 | pupnik | that's pretty strange |
| 12:48.09 | psycho_oreos | hence ROMPatcher and toying around with N95-1 that will crash when the patch is applied on certain versions |
| 12:48.11 | RST38h | Well. Moo. |
| 12:48.35 | RST38h | pupnik: How about NOT buying a phone on ebay? |
| 12:49.09 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, you could always flash with an other area firmware |
| 12:49.25 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, albeit that wasn't easy, its doable but it was risky |
| 12:49.39 | pupnik | RST38h: i can wait for a local unit |
| 12:49.56 | psycho_oreos | you had to first change it so that its from another country prior to flashing it with another area's firmware |
| 12:50.14 | psycho_oreos | and that wasn't always guaranteed to work or it won't have any other faults |
| 12:50.40 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, erm... it was dead easy |
| 12:50.55 | ruskie | one app... grab the info... change it... push it back to the device |
| 12:51.10 | ruskie | then of course you could flash it |
| 12:51.17 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, that two part process? didn't think so, You had to change the product ID |
| 12:51.30 | psycho_oreos | and hopefully nothing else is stuffed? :) |
| 12:52.01 | Arkenoi | listened Green's speech. In a few words "everything is going as before: meego for geeks, symbian for others, dumbphones for third world countries, ah, about microsoft.. well, we got some funny shit, have a look, it may be amazing as well" |
| 12:52.29 | Venemo_N900 | Arkenoi: :D |
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| 12:53.36 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, iirc it was one windows app |
| 12:53.39 | E0x | mediaplayer is mod/change in SSU updates ? |
| 12:53.47 | ruskie | hookup device... grab info... change it... push it back |
| 12:54.01 | Arkenoi | the real problem if it is all true it is no good either |
| 12:54.22 | pupnik | Arkenoi: look at actions, not pronouncements |
| 12:54.32 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, yeah one windows app which carried with the usual signs that you would see when trying to install uboot :p may brick your phone in other words |
| 12:55.07 | Arkenoi | pupnik, i see just one *real* action and it damn sucks: i won't get a new gone this spring. |
| 12:55.08 | psycho_oreos | it was a royal pita for me, but I don't see any point in flashing it anymore, I went around the long way with ROMpatcher which works rather nicely |
| 12:55.11 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, but it wasn't actually hard... |
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| 12:55.25 | Arkenoi | (and probably not in this year at all) |
| 12:56.01 | jonwil | wishes he could figure out just which bits of information from the phone dialer are relavent to someone building an alternative dialer |
| 12:56.05 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, it might not have been if it wasn't one's main phone :) I'd hate to walk around with a useless and bricked phone |
| 12:56.41 | psycho_oreos | getting it reflashed the nokia centre guys probably would curiously asked why and how as to bricking the n95-1 |
| 12:57.02 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, I'd simply tell them... ;) |
| 12:57.15 | jonwil | I remember bricking my Motorola Z6 by mistake when I first got it |
| 12:57.32 | jonwil | I was trying to read the flash contents and accidentally sent the "Erase" command |
| 12:58.07 | jonwil | Took it to the local motorola service people and just said "it doesnt work, fix it" |
| 12:58.11 | jonwil | and they re-installed the software |
| 12:58.13 | ruskie | hehe |
| 12:58.14 | jonwil | and then it worked again |
| 12:58.20 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, hah! and in the meantime you'll be stuck without a phone, nobody can contact you easily, you cannot contact anyone easily |
| 12:59.09 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* I bought N95-1 on a whim, it was when I somehow misplaced my Motorola V3 |
| 12:59.17 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, erm... I still have my original n5110, my next n5140, my mom's n3210 ;) |
| 12:59.35 | ruskie | and no I don't really care about a cell phone |
| 13:00.04 | jonwil | god I remember the V3 |
| 13:00.09 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, I had none of those, a bricked phone would mean I would be basically unreachable until its fixed |
| 13:00.10 | jonwil | and its crappy proprietary OS |
| 13:00.11 | ruskie | and I still consider the n5110 as the best phone I had... |
| 13:00.21 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, I'm unreachable even if it's working 100% |
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| 13:00.34 | jonwil | never owned a V3 though (thank god) |
| 13:00.44 | jonwil | never a fan of flip phones :P |
| 13:00.53 | ruskie | since it's set to silent 99% of the time |
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| 13:01.08 | psycho_oreos | I couldn't just simply not care about the cell phone :p at the time I was pretty distressed having lost a phone when I heavily depended on it (notably for things other than just a phone) |
| 13:01.29 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, lol I never bought it, me old man gave it to me as a gift |
| 13:02.22 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, well your usage of a cellphone is different from mine :) I heavily use my phones as my alarm clocks. If they went missing I'd get sacked :p |
| 13:02.29 | psycho_oreos | and that's just one example |
| 13:02.57 | Venemo_N900 | luckily, N900 alarm works even if N900 is in silent mode |
| 13:03.14 | LjL | i remember the time when my alarms would work even if the phone was *off*... ;( |
| 13:03.20 | LjL | nokia dumbphones <3 |
| 13:03.25 | psycho_oreos | sadly the alarm function is quite buggy, nevertheless its better than nothing |
| 13:04.11 | psycho_oreos | my N95-1 sounded alarms as soon as I put it onto charging a few minutes or even an hour or two after when it was supposed to sound the alarm. |
| 13:04.17 | Arkenoi | my first GSM phone was 9000 |
| 13:04.24 | psycho_oreos | and that was from a flat battery |
| 13:04.32 | Arkenoi | i was on DAMPS before that |
| 13:04.37 | psycho_oreos | <-- 3210 |
| 13:04.48 | psycho_oreos | and that was stolen |
| 13:04.55 | Arkenoi | actually, 9000i |
| 13:05.24 | Arkenoi | and all following were communicators as well except i tried once 7650+palm PDA combo and it was disgusting |
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| 13:06.00 | Arkenoi | that was due to a big pause between 9210i and 9500 |
| 13:06.16 | psycho_oreos | I really really like the communicator series. It was something that I drooled whenever I looked at the brochure as a kid. I even kept the brochure for awhile before throwing it away |
| 13:06.36 | Arkenoi | i could not wait anymore, as 9210 had no bluetooth and no gprs, and csd data transfer was quite expensive |
| 13:06.50 | nid0 | LjL, what dyou mean "remember" that time? all nokia phones do that |
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| 13:07.37 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, hehe... I have the same problem with alarms... sadly I'm to used to everything now... and I actually require being phisicaly shaken awake... |
| 13:07.42 | Arkenoi | the most annoying problem with communicators since 9210 was that hardware was already outdated even at the first official announce day |
| 13:08.16 | Arkenoi | nid0: does n900 do it as well? |
| 13:08.20 | nid0 | yes |
| 13:08.23 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, well at least I have multiple alarms going off sequentially.. currrently two phones set on 15 minute intervals x 5 times |
| 13:08.31 | LjL | nid0: well i don't have a Nokia phone now |
| 13:09.12 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, n900... fcrontab: music playing, espeak voice droninng on about time regular phone alarm... |
| 13:09.23 | ruskie | and it doesn't really help |
| 13:10.42 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, I don't have music playing :D I just have a really really bland sound (nokia default alarm sounds), they seem to work ok, alot better than playing some random music that I like |
| 13:11.05 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, well nothing really helps me... |
| 13:11.08 | Venemo_N900 | never, ever go out with an N900 that is not fully charged |
| 13:11.19 | ruskie | Venemo_N900, I do it 4 days a week ;) |
| 13:11.22 | nid0 | these days I mostly rely on a girlfriend who needs to go to work earlier than me as my alarm clock |
| 13:11.26 | ruskie | because it lasts for 4 days on a single charge!!! |
| 13:11.37 | Venemo_N900 | lol |
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| 13:12.10 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, well my ears seem to go into some defensive mode... and I hardly hear stuff... |
| 13:12.17 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, try what I have lol, two nokia phones with standard alarm tones, both of them going off at 15 minute intervals for 6 times before you're due to wake up. Place the older phone like about two metres away from your head and have the tones set to maximum :D |
| 13:12.59 | ruskie | I tried all that already ;) |
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| 13:13.21 | skyscraper | hi |
| 13:13.21 | ruskie | and I prefer a 5 minute interval... 15 minute means I'll just fall soundly asleep back |
| 13:13.24 | nid0 | is it that you just dont wake up atall, or that you turn the alarms off and fall back asleep? |
| 13:13.24 | psycho_oreos | maybe decrease the intervals and increase the amount of sequential alarms lol |
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| 13:14.36 | psycho_oreos | I personally turn my alarms off. When I wake up, I can see there's the snooze button but the tired side gets the better of me by hitting the stop alarm button instead |
| 13:15.04 | ruskie | nid0, don't want to wake up |
| 13:15.15 | skyscraper | i have a problem with my n900: i cant send any sms... it displays immediatly after i press "send" the message: "delivery for message xyz failed" (or something like that, its in german ;)) |
| 13:15.23 | nid0 | I used to have problems just shutting my alarms off without even waking up enough to know I was doing it or remember it after the fact |
| 13:15.36 | ruskie | ow I simply don't shut them off |
| 13:15.40 | ruskie | they keep dronning on |
| 13:15.41 | nid0 | so I ended up just using my pc as my final alarm, having it lock itself and start playing music |
| 13:15.43 | ruskie | and I just sleep through them |
| 13:15.58 | ruskie | I'm a heavy sleeper |
| 13:16.00 | nid0 | so would need to drag my ass to the otherside of the room, sit down, turn the screen on, unlock the machine, and stop the music |
| 13:16.09 | ruskie | tried that... |
| 13:16.19 | ruskie | other than waking everyone else... no luck |
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| 13:16.24 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, maybe you could do what some actor did in a movie. Have about 10-15 alarm clocks stretching from the bed side all the way to the window all on the same alarm time lol :D |
| 13:17.11 | ruskie | I simply am not a morning person... |
| 13:17.19 | ruskie | I'll naturally wake up a bit before 0900 or so... |
| 13:17.24 | psycho_oreos | or that back to the future movie where the alarm triggers various gadgets to automate cooking breakfest and pouring a bucket of water onto your head :D |
| 13:17.44 | ruskie | but I prefer to start work at 0700 so I can be off at 1500 |
| 13:17.50 | ruskie | so need to get up at 0600-0630 |
| 13:18.02 | skyscraper | anyone can help me? |
| 13:18.08 | nid0 | thats way early :< |
| 13:18.19 | nid0 | I enjoy getting up at 8:25 for an 8:30 start |
| 13:18.21 | psycho_oreos | I have alarms going off at 0400, 0415, 0430, 0445, 0500, 0515 for 0600 starts :) |
| 13:18.40 | psycho_oreos | and that's with two alarms going off simultaneously, well almost |
| 13:20.14 | psycho_oreos | and I'm also not a morning person but work is not something that I look forward to everyday and so I'd prefer to have it done first thing in the morning so then I can have the rest of the day to myself |
| 13:20.26 | ruskie | yeah ;) |
| 13:21.05 | ruskie | cat's aren't much help at waking up as well... they tend to curl up and add more heat... so I'll just keep on snoozing... |
| 13:21.20 | pupnik | then you feed them too much |
| 13:21.27 | psycho_oreos | imo, the standard nokia alarm tone 1 on n95-1 is way more creepy than nokia alarm tone 1 on n900. Especially with an old vibrator running.. BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT! |
| 13:21.33 | skyscraper | can i reflash mit rootfs without formating the 2GB /home or the 27GB /home/user/MyDocs?!? |
| 13:21.35 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 13:21.54 | psycho_oreos | skyscraper, that's what the fiasco image is supposed to do yes |
| 13:22.28 | psycho_oreos | skyscraper, and no I don't know how to solve that issue with unable to send SMS, never seen that error message before.. it could be a reception issue, or some settings with SMS isn't right |
| 13:22.41 | skyscraper | psycho_oreos: i cant send or receive sms anymore.. dont know why... but its strange.. in nitdroid i can RECEIVE sms but cant send, too |
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| 13:23.17 | ruskie | could be a hdd issue |
| 13:23.20 | ruskie | check dmesg |
| 13:23.25 | ruskie | might be the fs got corrupted or something |
| 13:23.45 | dschoepe | Does anyone know where I can get the source for this project? The git repository just contains an empty `welcome' file: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/seriesfinale/ |
| 13:24.14 | skyscraper | what is cfg80211 ? its in dmesg |
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| 13:24.51 | ruskie | wifi stuff |
| 13:24.53 | psycho_oreos | cfg80211 is a thing to do with mac80211 framework, its for wireless |
| 13:25.15 | skyscraper | ah ok... it changes from US and EU |
| 13:25.33 | ruskie | anything related to mmc ? |
| 13:25.48 | skyscraper | hm and theres: "Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods" |
| 13:25.49 | skyscraper | ? |
| 13:26.08 | ruskie | also might want to check the output of mount to see if everything is mounted properly(nothing as ro or read-only) |
| 13:26.17 | psycho_oreos | that's to do with memory, not really important. I get that message as well |
| 13:26.44 | skyscraper | hm.... i will be back later... end at school... (earlier as normal argh) |
| 13:27.18 | psycho_oreos | dschoepe, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/seriesfinale/0.6.6-1/ |
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| 13:27.49 | dschoepe | psycho_oreos: ah, thanks |
| 13:27.52 | psycho_oreos | its available in the repo, I suppose you can add the repo as normal into scratchbox with deb-src lines and then use apt-get source foo |
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| 13:28.56 | dschoepe | psycho_oreos: I found it on gitorious: http://gitorious.org/seriesfinale |
| 13:29.11 | jonwil | So much for reverse engineering the dialer, I have given up due to its complexity :P |
| 13:29.18 | psycho_oreos | dschoepe, ahh well there you go :) |
| 13:29.48 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, lol maybe you need to break up the bigger chunks into smaller bite size pieces :) |
| 13:29.53 | psycho_oreos | or hopefully lol |
| 13:29.57 | jonwil | its not that simple |
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| 13:30.14 | psycho_oreos | yeah as I figured :| its one big ASM blob? |
| 13:30.22 | jonwil | yeah its one big binary blob |
| 13:31.03 | jonwil | if more people cared about my work (and pointed me at specific pieces of info they want), things wouldn't be so hard |
| 13:31.16 | jonwil | :P |
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| 13:31.16 | dschoepe | What disassembler did you use? IDA helped me a great deal when I had to dissect windows executables |
| 13:31.26 | SkyscraperN900 | i'm back with my phone now |
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| 13:31.29 | jonwil | IDA is not as good for ARM as it is for x86 |
| 13:31.41 | SkyscraperN900 | i think ive found something fs related! |
| 13:31.43 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/22/wp7_omnia/ <-- pain... |
| 13:31.47 | jonwil | Not unless you have a couple grand and can afford the ARM deompiler |
| 13:31.51 | jonwil | decompiler |
| 13:31.58 | SkyscraperN900 | [ 23.130340] EXT3-fs warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended |
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| 13:32.23 | ruskie | SkyscraperN900, might be a good idea to do that... |
| 13:32.41 | SkyscraperN900 | ah |
| 13:33.36 | SkyscraperN900 | i have the problem since 2 days... i took a photo and then phone shutdown because of battery... maybe it corrupted fs while writing the photo? |
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| 13:34.25 | ruskie | possibly |
| 13:35.37 | SkyscraperN900 | what command do i have to use to run e2fsck? it has many parameters |
| 13:36.17 | ruskie | usually just e2fsck /dev/whateverdevice |
| 13:36.26 | ruskie | but you might need to unmount it first |
| 13:36.49 | SkyscraperN900 | hm which device should i check? |
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| 13:37.00 | SkyscraperN900 | can i umount /home ?!? |
| 13:37.38 | SkyscraperN900 | and after reboot all devices are mounted back?! |
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| 13:37.44 | psycho_oreos | probably not a good idea, you could try |
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| 13:37.53 | psycho_oreos | well yes it should |
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| 13:38.12 | ruskie | you could do the check from nitdroid |
| 13:38.32 | psycho_oreos | wonders if tinkering /etc/fstab to make it automatically do that via pass or some other var work |
| 13:38.32 | SkyscraperN900 | psycho_oreos i think that the sms database etc are in /home/user and not in MyDocs |
| 13:39.06 | SkyscraperN900 | ruskie but my nitdroid is installed on /home so i cant |
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| 13:39.38 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, fstab is sadly regenerated |
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| 13:39.45 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, need to make a CSSU fix for that... |
| 13:40.07 | psycho_oreos | SkyscraperN900, then again, lots of 3rd party apps as well as some system (maemo ones) are also placed inside /opt which is actually mounted back as /home/uopt |
| 13:40.13 | psycho_oreos | s/uopt/opt/ |
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| 13:40.47 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, I'd imagine an ugly hack might work >:D chattr +i (muhahahahahaha) |
| 13:40.56 | psycho_oreos | err sudo chattr +i even |
| 13:41.29 | SkyscraperN900 | psycho_oreos and whats the problem? /opt is the same device as /home or isnt it? |
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| 13:42.03 | SkyscraperN900 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) |
| 13:42.04 | psycho_oreos | SkyscraperN900, correct which is separate from rootfs iinm |
| 13:42.09 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, still no auto checking in the init... |
| 13:42.24 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, even after making it immutable? o.O |
| 13:42.25 | SkyscraperN900 | psycho_oreos so i CAN umount /home? |
| 13:42.34 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, the init is badly implemented |
| 13:42.39 | ruskie | I'm planing on working it in tho cssu... |
| 13:43.02 | psycho_oreos | SkyscraperN900, probably not, you can umount other stuff that's mounted to /opt then umounting /opt but I wouldn't personally recommend it |
| 13:43.34 | SkyscraperN900 | and how should i check the fs of /home then?!? |
| 13:43.40 | psycho_oreos | SkyscraperN900, also seeing as how you have nitdroid, I'd do what ruskie said. I don't have nitdroid or any other bootable OS as an option |
| 13:44.00 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, blah :| I thought setting it immutable would work |
| 13:44.06 | SkyscraperN900 | psycho_oreos my nitdroid is installed in /home |
| 13:44.08 | ruskie | boot using an external sd card |
| 13:44.30 | ruskie | I really wish we had a good initramfs for this type of stuff... |
| 13:44.34 | psycho_oreos | SkyscraperN900, lol well :/ |
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| 13:44.57 | SkyscraperN900 | hm. i think i should again install ubuntu 9,10 on my sd card |
| 13:45.26 | SkyscraperN900 | or should i copy nitdroid from /home to sd and modify the multiboot file? |
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| 13:45.59 | ruskie | I'd suggest using meego |
| 13:46.04 | ruskie | and the uboot solution |
| 13:46.15 | ruskie | not sure if multiboot can actually help here much... |
| 13:46.20 | SkyscraperN900 | i have installed multiboot for nitdroid |
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| 13:46.52 | ruskie | multiboot is a hack... uboot actually can boot other things... |
| 13:47.25 | psycho_oreos | there was a big thread on tmo about how unsafe multiboot was |
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| 13:48.02 | SkyscraperN900 | but another: why i cant send sms in nitdroid too when its only a fs problem? |
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| 13:48.12 | psycho_oreos | someone eventually said that by the time the side effects gets to the owner, he/she would have done about 1,000,000 times or something |
| 13:49.10 | psycho_oreos | I think the best idea is to get one problem fixed at a time rather than trying to speculate on all the possible solutions for the issues you encounter on other instances :) |
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| 13:50.18 | SkyscraperN900 | hm. i'll drive home now. then testing... |
| 13:50.25 | SkyscraperN900 | will be back later! |
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| 13:59.40 | mece | soo.. will "N950" have a keyboard, one wonders. As Rich Green names it the successor of N900, I have some hopes. |
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| 14:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | lol, multiboot |
| 14:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | backupmenu comes with fsck of /home on the klick of one key |
| 14:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: ^^^ |
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| 14:38.16 | pupnik | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Toshiba-AC100/ cortex a9 netbook under 300 euro |
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| 14:44.47 | SkyscraperN900 | hi |
| 14:44.49 | SkyscraperN900 | im back |
| 14:44.57 | n900evil | is on a bus. |
| 14:45.08 | SkyscraperN900 | is it possible to write an sms via xterm or dbus or stl? |
| 14:45.39 | n900evil | I vaguely remember a dbus way being mentioned |
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| 14:46.54 | SkyscraperN900 | maybe helpful for my problem |
| 14:47.14 | n900evil | http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples |
| 14:47.25 | n900evil | do snakes count? |
| 14:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | SkyscraperN900: you *should* use backupmenu to fsck |
| 14:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | alas it's probably not installable when /opt is r/o |
| 14:48.15 | SkyscraperN900 | DocScrutinizer wheres fsck at backupmenu |
| 14:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | err, "f"? |
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| 14:49.32 | SkyscraperN900 | docscrutinizer you mean the standard "backup" menu? |
| 14:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | no, I mean the app backupmenu |
| 14:49.47 | SkyscraperN900 | n900evil the sms has to be an pdu? |
| 14:49.51 | n900evil | SkyscraperN900: no |
| 14:50.03 | SkyscraperN900 | ah okay i dont have it @ docscrutinizer |
| 14:50.09 | n900evil | SkyscraperN900: no to the backup thing |
| 14:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | n900evil: you should reconsider your nick policy ;-D |
| 14:51.02 | SkyscraperN900 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:51.21 | SkyscraperN900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.26 | busevil | OOOh! what's this on the seat next to me! |
| 14:51.48 | SkyscraperN900 | is bootmenu-n900 working against multiboot? |
| 14:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 14:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I didn't mean to even faster hop from XXXevil to XYZevil and back X-P |
| 14:52.48 | SkyscraperN900 | docscrutinizer should i deinstall multiboot first? can i boot nitdroid 2.3 from bootmenu-n900? |
| 14:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | bootmenu and multiboot don't conflict afaik, nevertheless multiboot is an evil hack and strongly deprecated |
| 14:53.54 | SkyscraperN900 | so i should deinstall it? |
| 14:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | pester nitdroid folks to *finally* adopt uBoot |
| 14:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | SkyscraperN900: no |
| 14:54.26 | SkyscraperN900 | is bootmenu-n900 = uboot?! |
| 14:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 14:54.35 | n950evil | This is my mobile device - my other nick is still logged, unless the DSL has fallen over again. |
| 14:54.35 | n950evil | LILO! |
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| 14:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I didn't mean to even faster hop from XXXevil to XYZevil and back X-P |
| 14:55.00 | SkyscraperN900 | hm. so what should i do now? |
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| 14:57.36 | SkyscraperN900 | hm i'm installing backupmenu and bootmenu-n900 now |
| 14:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | to fsck /home? without prev precaution/preparation? boot into meego-rescueinitrd |
| 14:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, if that pans out, then fine |
| 14:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | (backupmenu) |
| 14:59.02 | SkyscraperN900 | loool bootmenu-n900 forces deinstall of multiboot |
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| 14:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 14:59.45 | SkyscraperN900 | so now bootmenu-n900 and backupmemu are installed. should i restart now? |
| 15:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | fsck multiboot, forget nitdroid (until they finally bother to fix their sh*t) |
| 15:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | SkyscraperN900: boot with slider open |
| 15:00.26 | SkyscraperN900 | ok |
| 15:00.38 | SkyscraperN900 | will be back in a moment (hopefully) |
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| 15:04.42 | Skyscraper | hum |
| 15:04.59 | Skyscraper | i started fsck and it aborts immediately: |
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| 15:06.00 | Skyscraper | Errors may have been encountered: code:4 RX-51_2009SE_1.2: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. (i.e., without -a or -p options) - Press any key to continue |
| 15:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's to bad. It means your partition is so thoroughly screwed not even fsck has any clue how to fix it |
| 15:07.09 | Skyscraper | MyDocs found and error first time, sd card nothing... - now MyDocs and sd card passing but OptFS fails |
| 15:07.17 | Skyscraper | -d |
| 15:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | reflash |
| 15:07.43 | Skyscraper | hum and now? |
| 15:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | full reflash |
| 15:08.10 | Skyscraper | is it possible to reflash only OptFS? without deleting mydocs? |
| 15:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 15:08.33 | Skyscraper | so i have to save all the 27GB to my harddisk before flashing? |
| 15:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:08.42 | Skyscraper | -.- |
| 15:08.55 | Skyscraper | i think it will need some hours to copy via USB |
| 15:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | umm, 40min |
| 15:09.16 | Skyscraper | all 27GB? |
| 15:09.22 | Skyscraper | do you have a reflash-guide? |
| 15:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | well iirc I *wrote* 12G in some 16min |
| 15:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 15:09.47 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:10.09 | Skyscraper | hm... now maemo wont boot anymore i think... the 5 "loadingpoints" flashing but theres no UI |
| 15:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | (writing is supposed to be way slower than read) |
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| 15:11.24 | Skyscraper | hm okay... should NOT boot from backupmenu to maemo.. doenst work.. |
| 15:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | fsck of /opt might have killed it finally (i.e. put the latent errors in fs to surface) |
| 15:11.50 | Skyscraper | no... hard reset and booting again fixed it |
| 15:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | you can not boot from backup menu to maemo |
| 15:12.03 | Skyscraper | oh yeah it says again: no sim card... dont know why |
| 15:12.11 | Skyscraper | i hope its caused of the fs failure |
| 15:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | there's not even a key/option for that |
| 15:12.20 | Skyscraper | lol now 3G |
| 15:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: have you overclocked the device? |
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| 15:13.26 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, NO, NEVER! |
| 15:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, k |
| 15:14.01 | Skyscraper | okay i have had power kernel but overcloking disabled completely |
| 15:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene IF you had, we could hunt bugs for hours, without ever getting to root cause nor fixing it |
| 15:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
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| 15:15.17 | Skyscraper | yes but i hate overclocking.... i never overclocked any device... no computer, no phone, nothing |
| 15:16.34 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: so go reflash. We could try to find out what's wrong and try to find a way to fix it, but that will take longer than the 40min for saving, plus 40 min for restoring |
| 15:17.03 | tybollt | I'd go all in overclocking right now seeing as there's a snowballs chance in hell we'll be getting that N9 w/ meego on it ;) |
| 15:17.15 | tybollt | so faster device is not gunna happen |
| 15:17.26 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, yes, copying is already running ;) |
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| 15:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | no gunny happy? |
| 15:18.33 | tybollt | not going to happen |
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| 15:19.26 | tybollt | (I'd love for someone to prove me wrong on that though) |
| 15:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you go testing how deep you can drown the N900 in your toilet, as a waterproof device never gonna happen |
| 15:19.48 | Skyscraper | is there a option for "cp" that show status? |
| 15:20.00 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:20.04 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: :D |
| 15:20.11 | jacekowski | there are some strace based hacks |
| 15:20.30 | Skyscraper | so i have to wait that my cp command finished? |
| 15:20.39 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: so it _will_ be released? |
| 15:20.57 | Skyscraper | - /media/sda2/N900$ sudo cp -R /media/Nokia\ N900/* ./ <- running :D |
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| 15:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | -v |
| 15:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | but that's just noise as well |
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| 15:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | you could use dd ;-) |
| 15:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | but that won't do what you need |
| 15:22.42 | Skyscraper | ^ |
| 15:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | mc shows some progress bar afaik |
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| 15:27.21 | Skyscraper | copies that comand the .* dirs too? |
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| 15:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | mc? |
| 15:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | yes, usually it does |
| 15:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | mc is norton-commander clone |
| 15:27.56 | Skyscraper | no cp |
| 15:28.00 | Skyscraper | - /media/sda2/N900$ sudo cp -R /media/Nokia\ N900/* ./ <- running :D |
| 15:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | cp doesn't |
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| 15:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | man cp |
| 15:28.21 | Skyscraper | even with -R? |
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| 15:32.04 | Skyscraper | hum so i should abort copy |
| 15:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | By default, `cp' copies the contents of special files only when not copying recursively. This default can be overridden with the `--copy-contents' option. |
| 15:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | you should use -a rather than -R anyway |
| 15:33.03 | Skyscraper | mc wont work: |
| 15:33.04 | Skyscraper | mc |
| 15:33.04 | Skyscraper | TERM environment variable needs set. |
| 15:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | errrr |
| 15:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 15:34.06 | Skyscraper | hm now mc works ;) |
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| 15:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | you're starting mc in a normal xterm on your PC? |
| 15:34.15 | Skyscraper | TERM=linux; export TERM |
| 15:34.24 | Skyscraper | yes... its an xubuntu |
| 15:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | get a decent distro! |
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| 15:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | about buntkuh: http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 15:36.29 | Skyscraper | hm... i like it |
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| 15:37.07 | Skyscraper | how to say MC to copy whole /media/Nokia\ N900/ to /media/sda2/N900/ ? |
| 15:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | move to "/media/Nokia\ N900/", press F5, enter "/media/sda2/N900/" |
| 15:38.49 | Skyscraper | cant work on ".." |
| 15:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | (if you change to other panel and move to /media/sda2/N900/ there, then you'll not need to enter anything) |
| 15:40.30 | pupnik | The word "inform" means "to give shape within" |
| 15:40.31 | Skyscraper | should i select some points? |
| 15:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | make sure "save attr" is tagged |
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| 15:41.33 | Skyscraper | follow links? |
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| 15:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 15:42.00 | Skyscraper | go to subdirs? |
| 15:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 15:42.09 | Skyscraper | no?? |
| 15:42.21 | Skyscraper | it should copy ALL |
| 15:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | press F1 please |
| 15:43.15 | Venemo | heh. I've just re-watched this video. it still looks very nice :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_uRmoy8Fs |
| 15:43.22 | Skyscraper | so only mark save attrib |
| 15:45.04 | Skyscraper | copies now |
| 15:45.28 | Skyscraper | 10MB/s |
| 15:46.04 | javispedro | pupnik: actually, it means "to give shape"; no idea what "within" does there. |
| 15:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: \o/ |
| 15:46.51 | Skyscraper | dont know that smiley |
| 15:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | like hooray |
| 15:47.45 | divan | Venemo, thanks, nice promo. Never seen it before. |
| 15:48.07 | Venemo | divan: it's an ancient demo of Maemo 5 :) |
| 15:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | while lol is "hands up, freeze!" ;-D |
| 15:48.32 | divan | Yeah, I see the date of video )) |
| 15:48.33 | Venemo | actually this video was one of the things that attracted me to Maemo :) |
| 15:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | and /o\ is "duck and cover" |
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| 15:51.57 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, should i use the "Global" image for germany n900? |
| 15:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | flash vanilla eMMC image first though |
| 15:52.29 | Skyscraper | contains RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the eMMC also? |
| 15:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 15:52.59 | Skyscraper | what vanilla eMMC image should i download? |
| 15:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | you need most recent VANILLA |
| 15:53.21 | Skyscraper | Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 ? |
| 15:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | it's not same version like COMBINED |
| 15:53.28 | Skyscraper | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 15:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 15:53.39 | Skyscraper | vanilla and then combined? |
| 15:53.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 15:54.03 | Skyscraper | combined is the same as fiasco? |
| 15:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | see |
| 15:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 15:54.07 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | >>(flashing the) FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs" though this file and flashing process also consists of...<< |
| 15:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | >>(flashing the) eMMC aka *VANILLA*, which will replace the complete content of N900's internal 32 GB storage (embedded MMC), which is: the /home parti...<< |
| 15:56.40 | Skyscraper | should i copy /home/user to MyDocs? |
| 15:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | good plan |
| 15:56.53 | Skyscraper | and /opt ? |
| 15:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 15:57.27 | Skyscraper | in /home/user are some configs and own apps ;) |
| 15:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | you'll need to install /opt freshly anyway, by reimnstalling your apps from hildon-backup-app restore |
| 15:58.32 | pupnik | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_ICE_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 15:58.44 | DocScrutinizer | so make another backup *now*, with backup app |
| 15:58.54 | jpinx_away | anyone got experience of missing incomingcallswhile connected to GPRS on the same ntwork? |
| 15:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | a *full* backup - i.e. enable all backup options, save backup to uSD card, not internal storage |
| 15:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx_away: no |
| 16:00.01 | jpinx_away | incoming SMS get throughand outgoing calls suspend the GPRS as expected. but incoming cazlls seem to get silently dropped |
| 16:00.12 | maybeArgh | uhm... anybody got any experience with sygic maps? apparently i'm too stoopid to install the DACH version |
| 16:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx_away: that's a problem of your carrier's config |
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| 16:00.59 | jpinx_away | DocScrutinizer: I wondered if it might be that |
| 16:01.24 | kerio | OMFG N950?!?!?! |
| 16:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | GSM/2G GPRS has a nonzero chance to drop inbound calls when transfering data, if network is poorly configured by your provider |
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| 16:01.49 | jpinx_away | calls Dtac |
| 16:02.04 | Skyscraper | pupnik, i downloaded another vanilla image? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 16:02.31 | pupnik | Skyscraper: i made a joke |
| 16:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx_away: the N900's modem *can* handle concurrent data and call |
| 16:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx_away: buzzword class-A |
| 16:04.01 | Skyscraper | what happens when booting after flashing vanilla without flashing fiasco? theres a red message saying: never do that? |
| 16:04.40 | pupnik | was the n900 a financial loss for nokia? |
| 16:04.56 | ruskie | doubt it... |
| 16:05.22 | pupnik | were sales numbers released? |
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| 16:06.01 | slonopotamus | pupnik: lack of other maemo-based devices was though. |
| 16:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | yay, Gaddafi at his best - LOL |
| 16:06.28 | florian | pupnik: unlikely... imho Nokia never releases sales information of a single device. |
| 16:07.08 | SpeedEvil | florian: they did say 100K in first couple of weeks IIRC |
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| 16:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | sure, global press and journalism wants to insult Libya people by reporting about civil war that's going on |
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| 16:07.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-has-sold-well-in-excess-of-100000-handsets-gartner-figures-seriously-wrong-claims-source-2887458/ |
| 16:07.44 | SpeedEvil | >100k in 5 weeks, ratehr |
| 16:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | and that's been too low, according to other sources |
| 16:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: so don't do it :-) |
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| 16:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: (when you try to boot after flashing eMMC *first*, it simply will fail. If you're flashing COMBINED first and then boot, you have to start over again) |
| 16:11.05 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, i WONT do it... i was interested what happens when anyone do it |
| 16:11.07 | Venemo | ~flashing |
| 16:11.07 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | jeeeeez, watch that Gaddafi speech, it's incredible X-P |
| 16:13.39 | Skyscraper | does the battery have to be at 100%? |
| 16:15.23 | jpinx_away | DocScrutinizer51: fwiw it *is my carrir and they installed an SMS alert system for me |
| 16:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG !! a small group of drug addict Libyan youngsters attacked some military camps, exploiting the peace and liberty in Libya |
| 16:15.36 | Venemo | lol DocScrutinizer |
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| 16:17.36 | pupnik | ty for link SpeedEvil |
| 16:18.32 | pupnik | darn gpsmon sees many satellites but for some reason doesn't give lat/lon |
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| 16:20.21 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, lol MC copies a big file named FSCK0000.REC ? |
| 16:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooohmy even with a braindead realtime-translator in TV, it's utterly clear this Muhamar guy is completely out of his mind |
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| 16:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: lost file, recovered by fsck |
| 16:21.30 | Skyscraper | but why its soooo big? |
| 16:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
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| 16:26.39 | Ljrn900 | so any way to upgrade to PR1.3 w/o Windows? |
| 16:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | damn, I can't help imagining Muhamar al Gaddafi with a little mustache. and side parting, vaseline in hair |
| 16:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | you know what I mean |
| 16:28.54 | Ljrn900 | ... |
| 16:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | Ljrn900: SSU, ~flashing |
| 16:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 16:30.09 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 16:38.59 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, now all copied from MyDocs to local-pc... but... when i try "du /media/Nokia\N900" against "du /media/sda2/N900/Nokia\ N900" the real n900 folder is bigger? |
| 16:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | oh yeah, Gaddafi threating his people with story of Tian'nan'men' square, and of Jelzin and Russian parliament - what a mad rabid dog |
| 16:39.39 | Skyscraper | 28170496./Nokia N900/ <- real n900 - VS - 27856880Nokia N900/ <- copied n900 |
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| 16:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to do ls -R / >ls1.txt, ...ls2.txt, then diff ls1.tyt ls2.txt |
| 16:42.36 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, ls -Ar? |
| 16:42.47 | Skyscraper | ah lr |
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| 16:45.27 | Skyscraper | diff ls1.txt ls2.txt |
| 16:45.27 | Skyscraper | 57c57 |
| 16:45.27 | Skyscraper | < ls1.txt |
| 16:45.27 | Skyscraper | --- |
| 16:45.28 | Skyscraper | > ls2.txt |
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| 17:00.53 | Ljrn900 | DocScrutinizer, can I obtain a PR1.3 firmware w/o agreeing not to reverse engineer it? |
| 17:01.12 | slonopotamus | Ljrn900: sure, i can send you one |
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| 17:01.41 | Ljrn900 | slonopotamus, the vanilla one? |
| 17:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | Ljrn900: nfc, ask nokia customer care? |
| 17:02.11 | Ballmarman | Greetings and salutations all |
| 17:02.20 | slonopotamus | Ljrn900: err... there's more than one pr1.3 firmware? |
| 17:02.28 | slonopotamus | (UK doesn't count) |
| 17:02.29 | Ljrn900 | slonopotamus, nfc. |
| 17:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | Ljrn900: in Europe, for all I know it's not possible to rule out RE for private purposes |
| 17:03.07 | crashanddie | RE? |
| 17:03.08 | Ljrn900 | DocScrutinizer, I am US |
| 17:03.18 | crashanddie | hey Ballmarman |
| 17:03.21 | Ballmarman | My n900 is crawling at turtle's pace...any suggestions? |
| 17:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | Ljrn900: relocate, your country's jurisdiction sucks |
| 17:03.41 | crashanddie | jurisdiction? |
| 17:03.47 | Ljrn900 | lol |
| 17:03.56 | crashanddie | You mean it sucks because it's only allowed to serve justice to the people that live there? |
| 17:04.01 | Ljrn900 | UK is worse overall |
| 17:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | judicative? |
| 17:04.10 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, how to copy all in /home/user to MyDocs (without mydocs itself and WITH ".*" dirs) |
| 17:04.22 | MohammadAG | --exclude-dir? |
| 17:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: -x |
| 17:04.45 | crashanddie | Ljrn900, UK is hardly worse than US, but well. |
| 17:04.57 | Ljrn900 | crashanddie, sorry it is |
| 17:05.00 | MohammadAG | or, not |
| 17:05.04 | Skyscraper | and with mc? seems so that mc is in maemo repo's too :D |
| 17:05.19 | Ballmarman | Why is skype video a colossal suck on the n900? |
| 17:05.23 | crashanddie | Ljrn900, that's your argument? "sorry, it is"? |
| 17:05.37 | crashanddie | Ballmarman, because Skype did a wankjob of it |
| 17:05.40 | Ljrn900 | crashanddie, I don't make argument while i drive |
| 17:05.57 | MohammadAG | skype rapes CPU |
| 17:06.15 | crashanddie | Ljrn900, how long do you have to go? |
| 17:06.51 | Ballmarman | Yes, yet another reason why just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD |
| 17:07.47 | crashanddie | well, from what I can tell, the Skype thingy is so shitty because the API teams kept saying the DEV teams did a sucky job of it, and vice versa |
| 17:07.54 | crashanddie | when really, the API sucks tremendously |
| 17:07.58 | Ballmarman | Hope nokia gets serious about WP after the failed maemo experiment fiasco |
| 17:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | he said it again - obviously Benghasi got taken over by drug addicts that seized the military's weapons |
| 17:08.18 | crashanddie | Ballmarman, nice trolling :) |
| 17:08.33 | trx | how can i find the height of a QScrollArea? (true height, not just the visible rect) |
| 17:08.36 | MohammadAG | WP fails |
| 17:09.09 | Ballmarman | I am just extremely pissed at n900, i want to throw it against the wall |
| 17:09.28 | crashanddie | good for you |
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| 17:10.03 | Ballmarman | i could not answer a simple phone call because of gibberish on the screen |
| 17:10.20 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@74.198.9.31] by ChanServ |
| 17:10.21 | MohammadAG | Get an iPhone |
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| 17:10.53 | MohammadAG | it kills apps from memory when you get a phone call (or something "magical" that allows you to answer calls without issues) |
| 17:11.01 | dschoepe | When using power-saving mode for wifi my download speed drops from ~700KB/s to about 30KB/s, does this mean my router doesn't support it properly or is that kind of drop to be expected? |
| 17:11.20 | SpeedEvil | dschoepe: means it's broken |
| 17:11.22 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, type /kick Ballmarman GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL but don't hit enter until my command |
| 17:11.32 | crashanddie | yeah? |
| 17:11.34 | SpeedEvil | dschoepe: when there is traffic, it should turn off powersave mode |
| 17:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | Ballmarman: we're not interested in "I'm pissed" stories that result in "let's all get WP" |
| 17:11.40 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, do i have to? |
| 17:11.43 | crashanddie | no |
| 17:11.54 | MohammadAG | aww |
| 17:11.57 | Skyscraper | yeah MC on N900 via SSH rocks |
| 17:12.05 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, he's +q |
| 17:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | Ballmarman: if you want to switch to WP, you're free to do so, but please take your reports about why you do elsewhere then |
| 17:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: aaah, good |
| 17:12.27 | *** part/#maemo Ballmarman (~Ballmarma@74.198.9.31) |
| 17:12.36 | crashanddie | and he left :) |
| 17:12.40 | dschoepe | SpeedEvil: any idea about what could cause this? |
| 17:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | oh damn, not again this IP |
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| 17:12.54 | crashanddie | this IP? |
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| 17:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | our beloved evergreen troll |
| 17:13.33 | SpeedEvil | dschoepe: Incompatibilities in the powersave implementation between the n900 and your router. Some have had success by updating hte firmware on their router |
| 17:13.34 | crashanddie | going for a fag |
| 17:13.36 | crashanddie | later all |
| 17:13.53 | dschoepe | SpeedEvil: okay thanks, I'll give it a try |
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| 17:14.32 | MohammadAG | +q persist across parts/joins |
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| 17:15.06 | MohammadAG | * WProcks (~Ballmarma@74.198.9.31) has joined #maemo |
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| 17:16.09 | MohammadAG | you can stop cycling channels now |
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| 17:17.11 | MohammadAG | /ban Ballmarma*@* |
| 17:17.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, do it :P |
| 17:17.40 | *** part/#maemo ballmarrockz (~Ballmarma@74.198.9.31) |
| 17:17.50 | pupnik | i should buy these n900s with the false picture and return an empty case to them |
| 17:18.05 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 17:18.08 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!Ballmarma*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 17:18.11 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 17:18.18 | MohammadAG | ta |
| 17:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 17:20.42 | MohammadAG | that failed |
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| 17:20.50 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@74.198.9.31] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mind opping me? |
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| 17:21.09 | *** mode/#maemo [+o MohammadAG] by ChanServ |
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| 17:21.29 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@74.198.9.31] by MohammadAG |
| 17:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | [Bannliste: #maemo] *!*user@74.198.*.* :-S |
| 17:21.38 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 17:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I said "oh no not THIS IP again" |
| 17:22.19 | MohammadAG | that's quite a broad range DocScrutinizer |
| 17:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | it's not my ban |
| 17:22.33 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*user@74.198.*.*] by MohammadAG |
| 17:22.37 | MohammadAG | it failed anyway |
| 17:22.40 | crashanddie | not mine either |
| 17:22.44 | crashanddie | well, it failed due to user@ |
| 17:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:22.50 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 17:23.01 | MohammadAG | lol fail ChanServ |
| 17:23.07 | MohammadAG | /cs deop #maemo MohammadAG = |
| 17:23.08 | MohammadAG | -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. |
| 17:23.11 | *** mode/#maemo [-o MohammadAG] by MohammadAG |
| 17:23.41 | javispedro | having fun? |
| 17:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, extremely |
| 17:23.56 | MohammadAG | no, I want a pony! |
| 17:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | and not even paying for that incredible performance of clown Gaddafi |
| 17:24.17 | MohammadAG | I wonder when he'll realize he can just renew his IP |
| 17:24.22 | MohammadAG | probably a long time |
| 17:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | I guess he's not even realizing how to change username |
| 17:25.44 | merlin1991 | I think he does |
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| 17:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yours? [Bannliste: #maemo] purgenote__*!*Alcohol_1@213.129.62.* |
| 17:26.34 | crashanddie | nope |
| 17:26.44 | merlin1991 | it's from you |
| 17:26.45 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, nick =! username :p |
| 17:26.47 | merlin1991 | (doc) |
| 17:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: no, the purgenote is of me |
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| 17:27.32 | MohammadAG | tbh, i think bans should stay for a month max |
| 17:27.34 | MohammadAG | or a week |
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| 17:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's yours: ljsdofuynsdfufuh!*@* |
| 17:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | clean? |
| 17:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: some should stay forever |
| 17:28.46 | MohammadAG | OMG bash4 in repos |
| 17:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | DUH!! |
| 17:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | with 'help'? :-D |
| 17:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seriously, some fool decided to disable help builtin in bash3 |
| 17:30.03 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 17:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe help got moved to external cmd and somebody missed to ship it with maemo pkg |
| 17:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | actually moving help to external cmd would make a lot of sense |
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| 17:42.19 | Skyscraper | how to copy all in /home/user/ (including hidden dirs) to MyDocs without MyDocs itself... cp --exclude=MyDocs wont work |
| 17:43.30 | timeless | Skyscraper: try same-filesystem |
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| 17:43.48 | MohammadAG | Skyscraper, DocScrutinizer already told you to use -x |
| 17:43.50 | timeless | or use rsync (same constraint) |
| 17:43.52 | timeless | or tar |
| 17:43.58 | Ljrn900 | Skyscraper, try with a trailing / |
| 17:44.15 | Ljrn900 | uh yeah |
| 17:44.26 | Ljrn900 | rsync is what i assumed |
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| 17:45.58 | Skyscraper | cp: invalid option -- x |
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| 17:46.10 | crashanddie | Skyscraper, cp -aR --exclude=MyDocs /home/user /home/user/MyDocs |
| 17:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | there's even a gui for rsync |
| 17:46.30 | crashanddie | there's even a manpage for cp! |
| 17:47.07 | MohammadAG | (g)cp |
| 17:47.13 | Skyscraper | cp: unrecognized option `--exclude=MyDocs' |
| 17:47.16 | MohammadAG | busybox cp is crap |
| 17:47.27 | MohammadAG | install coreutils-gnu |
| 17:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 17:47.34 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
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| 17:49.48 | crashanddie | Skyscraper, hax: touch /home/user/MyDocs/MyDocs; cp -aRn /home/user /home/user/MyDocs |
| 17:50.02 | crashanddie | and rmdir /home/user/MyDocs/MyDocs |
| 17:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | mkdir ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; mount --bind /home ~user/MyDocs/fake-home |
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| 17:51.10 | crashanddie | "The more, the merrier is certainly true for Ziona Chana, a 66-year-old man in India's remote northeast who has 39 wives, 94 children and 33 grandchildren -- and wouldn't mind having more." |
| 17:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | err dunno, maybe fails cause of VFAT fs |
| 17:51.36 | crashanddie | "His wives share a dormitory near Ziona's private bedroom and locals said he likes to have seven or eight of them by his side at all times." |
| 17:51.59 | MohammadAG | o_O |
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| 17:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | only 33 grandchildren? what's up with those indians? |
| 17:52.32 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 17:52.33 | crashanddie | I'm out |
| 17:52.34 | crashanddie | later all |
| 17:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 17:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: you're aware MyDocs will get erased when flashing VANILLA |
| 17:53.30 | Skyscraper | cp: cannot preserve ownership of '': Operation not permitted |
| 17:53.50 | Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer, i know but i have to copy all of /home/user to mydocs to copy to pc |
| 17:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: VFAT doesn't support posix perms |
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| 17:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# mkdir ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; mount --bind /home ~user/MyDocs/fake-home |
| 17:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls ~user/MyDocs/fake-home |
| 17:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | lost+found opt user |
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| 17:57.07 | Skyscraper | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | and no, it won't do recursive dumps of MyDocs, as bindmount isn't including mounts |
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| 17:58.06 | Skyscraper | it works i think^ |
| 17:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | i.e.: |
| 17:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -a ~user/MyDocs/fake-home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ |
| 17:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | . .. |
| 17:58.32 | RST38h | Evveninng |
| 17:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | while IroN900:~# ls -a ~user/MyDocs/DCIM/ lists some 100s of files |
| 17:59.42 | Skyscraper | finished... |
| 17:59.46 | Skyscraper | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 497.0M Feb 22 18:59 home.tar |
| 17:59.46 | Skyscraper | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, best |
| 18:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | as my suggested bindmount won't help for mass storage copy |
| 18:00.24 | Arkenoi | omfg, m2351 for sale in local community |
| 18:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 18:00.31 | Arkenoi | m2351a even |
| 18:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is that? |
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| 18:01.01 | Skyscraper | so i would copy the home.tar and the new backup15 from MyDocs to pc and then charge battery to 100$% |
| 18:01.03 | Arkenoi | 471Mb 10" disk dirve, circa 1981, extreme hitech for that time |
| 18:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | 10" ??? |
| 18:01.31 | Arkenoi | hard disk |
| 18:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 18:01.34 | Arkenoi | yep |
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| 18:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | woooaaaa |
| 18:01.56 | Arkenoi | well, it is just 2" bigger than 8" floppy :-) |
| 18:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I know those |
| 18:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | and I also know the mountable diskstacks we called "topf" here (pot) |
| 18:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | the drive was size of a fridge |
| 18:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | or washing maschine |
| 18:03.28 | Jartza | I have one still :) |
| 18:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | they had 10MB iirc |
| 18:03.46 | Jartza | from Digital vax |
| 18:03.47 | Arkenoi | having half a gigabyte on your dest was almost beyond imagination in that time, most "washing machine" size disk drives were 200Mb and there even was a lot of legacy 21Mb ones |
| 18:03.54 | Arkenoi | s/dest/desk/ |
| 18:04.31 | Arkenoi | so even 200Mb were considered cool and new |
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| 18:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
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| 18:09.19 | EsEhAr | hello |
| 18:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | we had 6 disks with 50MB in our mainfraime |
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| 18:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | hi EsEhAr |
| 18:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html |
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| 18:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | >>hard disk platter drive PS 048-B (250 MB MFM/12 platters, 1200 kB/s, 2000 Watts)<< |
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| 18:31.06 | Skyscraper | now all backed up :D |
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| 18:31.57 | Skyscraper | is 53% bat power enough for flashing vanilla emmc and fiasco? |
| 18:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 18:32.06 | nid0 | nope |
| 18:32.26 | Skyscraper | hm |
| 18:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | definitely you want to charge completely |
| 18:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | if you screw up and battery gets empty, you're deadlocked |
| 18:32.50 | Skyscraper | hm |
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| 18:33.22 | Skyscraper | why? cant i reboot into flashing mode again? |
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| 18:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | flashing will fail when bat is low |
| 18:34.19 | raph0x88 | Hello guys... quick question, there is no GCC at maemo repositories? |
| 18:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | bat will not charge when system doesn't boot |
| 18:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | system can't boot when flashing fails |
| 18:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | goto: start |
| 18:35.28 | lcuk | raph0x88, not on the default user repositories, but gcc is an integral part of maemo http://maemo.org/packages/view/gcc/ |
| 18:36.21 | lcuk | when in doubt about any package, use the packages interface here: http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 18:37.03 | DocScrutinizer | gcc should live in tools repo I guess |
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| 18:41.11 | raph0x88 | thx lcuk |
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| 18:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | how to list the files contained in a package? like apt-cache listfiles foobar |
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| 18:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | some apt-get cmd? |
| 18:46.35 | inz | Installed, local or remote package? |
| 18:46.41 | mikhas | dpkg -L package-name |
| 18:46.46 | mikhas | for installed ones |
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| 18:46.59 | inz | And dpkg-deb -c for local files |
| 18:47.38 | inz | And if supported: apt-file list <pkg> |
| 18:47.53 | mikhas | apt-file is a great tool |
| 18:50.36 | Skyscraper | what is apt-file? |
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| 18:51.25 | inz | It's like dpkg -l and dpkg -S for repositories |
| 18:53.03 | piggz | pls feel free to purchase my Urban Dictionary app from ovi store ;) |
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| 19:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
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| 19:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, apt-get install apt-file :-) |
| 19:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 19:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 19:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | E: Broken packages |
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| 19:47.00 | Skyscraper | is 86% enough for flashing? |
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| 19:48.32 | MohammadAG | uh, N950 announced? or did I misunderstand a thread |
| 19:49.44 | toggles | i preordered mine |
| 19:51.08 | Skyscraper | where? |
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| 19:51.58 | toggles | there is a link next to the unicorn |
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| 19:53.29 | haj | uhm .. |
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| 19:55.07 | toggles | MohammadAG: first couple of minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl626dqZ6VM |
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| 19:55.24 | MohammadAG | toggles, any specs in there? |
| 19:55.34 | toggles | nope, just babble |
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| 19:55.44 | toggles | but he does say n950 the n900 successor |
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| 19:56.06 | pupnik_ | a n900-like device would be very motivational |
| 19:56.09 | ds3 | does it run maemo and does it have a compass? :D |
| 19:56.22 | pupnik_ | what 4 compas |
| 19:56.37 | pupnik_ | better gps? |
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| 19:57.51 | ds3 | orientation |
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| 19:58.36 | toggles | this makes 5 right.. so they complete Ari's 5 step plan |
| 19:58.48 | MohammadAG | well |
| 19:58.57 | MohammadAG | I'm actually impressed they didn't _FULLY_ fuck up |
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| 19:59.18 | toggles | yeah, they completed the 5 steps |
| 19:59.24 | MohammadAG | looking forward to it, whatever it is, it'll be better than Android or iOS (or WP7 /me shivers) |
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| 20:00.19 | toggles | Anssi's plan i guess.. |
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| 20:01.08 | haj | it better have more RAM.. :) and a hardware keyboard |
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| 20:06.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wow, diablo has so many nice details. PC-connectivity-manager for example, unparalleled on fremantle |
| 20:08.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer-8, btw, the mediaplayer is 90% keyboard usable |
| 20:09.09 | MohammadAG | 10% is the main menu, you can't see buttons highlighted but selecting them works |
| 20:09.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | connect to internet via [wlan, usb, phone]. Share internet to: ( )USB, ( )BT, ( )WLAN |
| 20:10.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: sounds just nice, worth to give it a try (me fetches sunglasses to not hurt eyes with crippled cover art) |
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| 20:14.11 | MohammadAG | cover art is barely noticeable DocScrutinizer-8 |
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| 20:14.36 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer |
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| 20:15.56 | divan | is there any iotop-like tool on Maemo? |
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| 20:20.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: what's that? |
| 20:21.19 | MohammadAG | the mediaplayer binary |
| 20:21.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: clicking the link in xchat opens a requester "store file?" |
| 20:21.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah |
| 20:22.49 | MohammadAG | (I know about the duplicate items bug, need to delete the items when switching views and can't figure out how) |
| 20:23.02 | MohammadAG | you'll only notice it if you switch to a view twice |
| 20:23.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | so let's see if that 'tmp' dir it offered to store the file to is really MyDocs/tmp and if I can start a binary from there |
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| 20:27.11 | Zucca | Hm. I got a wild idea. Is it possible to use N900 as Bluetooth receiver for headphones? |
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| 20:28.56 | E0x | Zucca: input audio to the n900 and output it using some bluetooth headphone ? |
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| 20:31.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: ./mediaplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libgq-gconf.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:33.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 20:34.25 | MohammadAG | uh, sec |
| 20:37.05 | MohammadAG | apt-get install libgq-gconf0 |
| 20:38.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 20:38.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | doubts |
| 20:38.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | moot doubts :) |
| 20:39.18 | Zucca | E0x: Not what I meant... N900 as BT receiver and regular headphones plugged into N900. |
| 20:41.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: quite nice, alas it seems it's not supporting searching in long lists |
| 20:42.09 | Mousey | oh noes! |
| 20:43.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, sadly I have to reimplement that, the Qt widgets don't provide it :/ |
| 20:43.32 | MohammadAG | (only the gtk hildon ones do) |
| 20:45.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | qt feels like a regression to me, in quite a number of aspects |
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| 20:48.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer-8, check out scrolling in the video window, now do you think it's a regression? :P |
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| 20:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes, definitely. Without checking any scrolling. You can't compensate missing water to drink by providing peanuts |
| 20:52.30 | lcuk | MohammadAG, vid |
| 20:52.30 | lcuk | link |
| 20:52.30 | lcuk | please |
| 20:52.51 | MohammadAG | lcuk, don't have one atm |
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| 20:53.45 | MohammadAG | lcuk, not sure I can provide one even, thumbnails of people who don't want to be on youtube :p |
| 20:53.58 | MohammadAG | s/don't want to/prefer not to |
| 20:54.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | hell what's that? no idea how to find any video by looking at snapshots thumbnails |
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| 20:55.20 | malte_ | so.. n900 fully loaded... 100% - now flashing vanilla emmc and then fiasco |
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| 21:01.55 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, why i have BackupMenu in my n900 after flashing vanilla and fiasco? |
| 21:02.20 | malte_ | thought it should be removed? |
| 21:03.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | indeed |
| 21:04.06 | malte_ | and why its not gone? |
| 21:04.22 | malte_ | vanilla flash quits with: Image(s) flashed successfully in 33.751 s (7583 kB/s)! |
| 21:04.28 | malte_ | fiasco flash quits with: USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012. |
| 21:04.28 | malte_ | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. |
| 21:04.28 | malte_ | Using flashing protocol Mk II. |
| 21:04.51 | MohammadAG | did it actually flash or just exit? |
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| 21:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: you're done, after [2011-02-22 22:10:25] <malte_> CMT flashed successfully |
| 21:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | reboot device - profit |
| 21:15.29 | MohammadAG | I still think eMMC then fiasco is wrong |
| 21:15.32 | MohammadAG | and is wrong |
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| 21:15.50 | Venemo | MohammadAG: if you don't reboot inbetween, then the sequence doesn't matter |
| 21:15.52 | jacekowski | can n900 recieve rds? |
| 21:15.59 | Necc | no |
| 21:16.00 | E0x | Venemo: exactly\ |
| 21:16.01 | MohammadAG | yes jacekowski |
| 21:16.05 | MohammadAG | it does matter |
| 21:16.11 | jacekowski | how |
| 21:16.12 | MohammadAG | You can't flash FIASCO after vanilla |
| 21:16.23 | MohammadAG | not sure, some radio apps support it |
| 21:16.29 | Necc | RDS decoding doesn requires something extra hardware? |
| 21:16.31 | MohammadAG | ask javispedro when he's on |
| 21:16.34 | jacekowski | do you have name |
| 21:16.41 | malte_ | N900 CAN receive RDS! |
| 21:16.42 | jacekowski | Necc: not really |
| 21:16.43 | MohammadAG | cfmradio |
| 21:17.01 | Necc | ah, rds... ok i was confused |
| 21:17.04 | MohammadAG | Venemo, flashing the eMMC puts the device in MkII mode |
| 21:17.07 | MohammadAG | whatever that means |
| 21:17.14 | MohammadAG | flashing the fiasco image is not supported in that mode |
| 21:17.18 | Necc | swapped RDS with TMC |
| 21:17.23 | MohammadAG | so you HAVE TO reboot |
| 21:17.35 | malte_ | thank you very much DocScrutinizer - it WORKED |
| 21:17.38 | MohammadAG | unfortunately, every time I change that, DocScrutinizer changes it back, so I can't be arsed anymore |
| 21:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: because you're stating that flashing vanilla first doesn't work. Evidently it just worked for malte_ |
| 21:18.48 | jacekowski | Necc: rds == tmc |
| 21:18.52 | jacekowski | Necc: it's same stuff |
| 21:19.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it works, but you have to reboot in between or pop out the battery |
| 21:19.14 | MohammadAG | which is adding extra confusion, as proved by malte_ |
| 21:19.20 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, i only removed usb cable and then booted the phone... worked great :) |
| 21:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | I admit I wasn't clear enough about you *always* need to remove battery to power down device, after flashing vanilla first |
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| 21:19.36 | MohammadAG | yes, that's an extra unnecessary step |
| 21:19.48 | MohammadAG | flash fiasco, then eMMC, and you're fine, no need to power down or remove the battery |
| 21:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: reboot won't happen here, and isn't needed |
| 21:20.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it will if you're not quick enough or using windows |
| 21:20.18 | malte_ | yeah is my n900 fast :D |
| 21:20.32 | Necc | RDS used to send informations about the radio station itself (name, played music, etc) while TMC is a special code witch carries traffic information and typically used by terrestial navigation systems |
| 21:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes, that will work as well, but only if you NEVER EVER reboot |
| 21:20.40 | jacekowski | Necc: yes |
| 21:20.43 | jacekowski | Necc: and no |
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| 21:20.47 | malte_ | oh YEAH |
| 21:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | while vanilla first is immune against false handling |
| 21:20.52 | malte_ | is very very happy |
| 21:20.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, windows can't enumerate quickly, some users will reboot accidentally |
| 21:20.57 | malte_ | sms works again :) |
| 21:21.01 | jacekowski | Necc: tmc is working on top of rds |
| 21:21.09 | jacekowski | Necc: instead of sending letters it's sending numbers |
| 21:21.13 | jacekowski | javispedro: hi |
| 21:21.17 | jacekowski | javispedro: cfmradio |
| 21:21.22 | jacekowski | javispedro: how do i get rds to work on t |
| 21:21.24 | jacekowski | it* |
| 21:21.25 | MohammadAG | javispedro, <jacekowski> can n900 recieve rds? |
| 21:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that doesn't matter, when flashing vanilla first |
| 21:21.37 | MohammadAG | oh and afternoon |
| 21:21.41 | javispedro | jacekowski: _receive_? which field? |
| 21:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | that'S the point you still miss to get |
| 21:21.50 | malte_ | yeaaaah... i'm so happy... |
| 21:21.58 | jacekowski | javispedro: any |
| 21:21.59 | MohammadAG | I'm not missing anything |
| 21:22.02 | Necc | whatever, i'm brainlocked now (tired), night |
| 21:22.06 | jacekowski | javispedro: ideally i would like to recieve tmc |
| 21:22.08 | Necc | thx the.. infos |
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| 21:22.12 | jacekowski | but i can deal with that later |
| 21:22.18 | javispedro | jacekowski: afaik, the stock driver isn't enough for tmc |
| 21:22.31 | MohammadAG | anyway, back to some other stuff |
| 21:22.33 | javispedro | jacekowski: but there's a modified module around |
| 21:22.36 | jacekowski | i just want to know if there is rds transmitted at the moment |
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| 21:24.04 | javispedro | jacekowski: you can read partially decodified pi, ps and rt at /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022/rds_* |
| 21:24.43 | lcuk | pi=3.141592654... |
| 21:24.44 | javispedro | that's how all current N900 programs read ps |
| 21:25.35 | javispedro | pi = program identification ;) |
| 21:25.54 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 21:25.55 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:26.03 | jacekowski | i have r3 rds |
| 21:26.19 | jacekowski | Nokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022# cat rds_data |
| 21:26.19 | jacekowski | 2c a4 cd 34 33 20 c c2 f 10 e0 ff 24 0 57 30 c9 11 4 c2 3 14 0 fc 20 e6 2c 3c e0 43 0 c2 3 14 20 f6 2c f4 65 38 20 61 8 c7 2 18 e6 fc 28 3 e5 34 c9 11 4 c2 3 14 60 c9 20 1c 30 3c 73 c3 8 c3 81 1c f8 f7 4c f9 81 38 44 db 4 e9 b6 18 33 e8 24 5c 8e 3c b1 4b 4 26 d 18 33 80 2c 1b b7 3c aa 3c c 38 3e 18 a 9f 4c fa 12 38 49 1c 8 11 9a 1c 7 fc 2c 23 f1 3c 99 35 |
| 21:26.19 | javispedro | s/decodified/decoded :P |
| 21:26.29 | jacekowski | and i suppose that's raw data |
| 21:26.34 | jacekowski | with everything |
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| 21:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there are two perfectly working methods: A) flash eMMC, remove battery, (boot or do whatever you like, won't matter) flash rootfs, ->done. B) flash rootfs &&flash eMMC, in one commandline, without any interrupting or fuzzing around with "oops wrong file" "oops, timeout" "ooops need to download that other image first" |
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| 21:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | odds are users end up with accidentally booting device between first and second flash, in method B) |
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| 21:29.15 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, version A) is easier |
| 21:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: with method A) there's no way to fail, but of course it's a bit more effort aka more steps to do |
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| 21:30.13 | malte_ | but you should edit wiki ... you HAVE TO remove batt between vanilla and fiasco |
| 21:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I agree on thet |
| 21:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | that |
| 21:30.50 | malte_ | point 10 on flashing emmc |
| 21:31.00 | malte_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
| 21:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | wiki should mention both methods, clearly and with all required mandatory steps, and risks |
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| 21:31.40 | malte_ | thats the best way.. so both of you are happy ;) |
| 21:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I admit I wasn't aware of that bug in NOLO that borks direct flashing of rootfs after eMMC, when I started that crusade |
| 21:33.04 | jacekowski | you don't have to remove battery |
| 21:33.19 | jacekowski | you can just flash everything |
| 21:33.23 | MohammadAG | you can't |
| 21:33.25 | jacekowski | as long as you don't restart |
| 21:33.28 | malte_ | jacekowski, that WONT work |
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| 21:33.40 | MohammadAG | eMMC flashing makes the flasher set MkII mode |
| 21:33.44 | malte_ | jacekowski, tested it just 10 minutes ago ;) |
| 21:33.44 | MohammadAG | (whatever that means) |
| 21:33.48 | nox- | moin |
| 21:34.04 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 21:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: of course both methods are similarly valid and working. It's just about optimizing. A) (my method) is optimized for minimum risk, B) (moh's) is optimal for convenience and speed |
| 21:34.06 | dschoepe | Is it normal that decompressing an easydebian-image takes over an hour and that lzma doesn't even show up under "Top CPU%" in conky or did it die somewhere along the way? |
| 21:34.15 | jacekowski | dschoepe: yes |
| 21:34.26 | jacekowski | dschoepe: it takes about 2h |
| 21:34.27 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, i want minimum risk^ |
| 21:34.34 | dschoepe | jacekowski: okay, I'll be patient then |
| 21:34.35 | jacekowski | dschoepe: it's i/o bound |
| 21:34.37 | malte_ | nox-, moin |
| 21:34.56 | malte_ | dschoepe, ive done it overnight ,) |
| 21:34.58 | nox- | moin malte_ |
| 21:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: you're welcome to edit wiki, so both MohammadAG and me are happy :-D |
| 21:35.14 | malte_ | nox-, german?!? |
| 21:35.15 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 21:35.30 | nox- | malte_, indeed :) |
| 21:35.37 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, i think i dont have the best english ;) |
| 21:35.42 | dschoepe | really enjoys his new n900 especially when compared to the ocean of disappointments that is android |
| 21:35.52 | malte_ | maybe i'll try DocScrutinizer |
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| 21:38.18 | kerio | dschoepe: fuck yeah |
| 21:38.25 | malte_ | nox-, me too... i think "moin" is german ;) |
| 21:38.32 | haltdef | woa, portrait |
| 21:38.32 | haltdef | nice :P |
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| 21:38.32 | fauch | lo |
| 21:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | dschoepe: you might profit from setting swappiness to 30 |
| 21:38.51 | nox- | malte_, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Moin |
| 21:38.52 | nox- | :) |
| 21:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: maybe you know if it's suffering from swap congestion |
| 21:39.55 | malte_ | yeaaah its from Bremen, too :) |
| 21:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | moinmoin is platduetsch I'd say |
| 21:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | or Northern slang |
| 21:40.10 | javispedro | jacekowski: yes, that is the raw _device_ data. I am not sure if it is raw enough for tmc to happen. |
| 21:40.27 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, northern slang fits better |
| 21:40.30 | javispedro | jacekowski: it is obviously enough for text, etc. |
| 21:42.41 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, plattdeutsch is a very "own" dialect ;) |
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| 21:43.26 | zakkkm | Running N900 Maemo 5 .. I dont seem to have a battery status on my status bar, anyone know why? |
| 21:43.30 | zakkkm | recently flashed |
| 21:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | errrm |
| 21:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG should know |
| 21:44.05 | dschoepe | kerio: Let's just hope this community survives the elopocalypse, but I'm confident from what I've seen so far |
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| 21:44.11 | zakkkm | everything else is perfectl, except the icon just not there |
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| 21:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | dschoepe: this community gives a shit about Mr Flop |
| 21:44.57 | MohammadAG | hmm, that's weird |
| 21:45.12 | MohammadAG | if you tap the status menu do you get a battery area? |
| 21:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | it's a pity though we can't expect any new maemo devices from Nokia anytime soon |
| 21:45.31 | zakkkm | Must say , Maemo 5 is a big improvement over 4 :) |
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| 21:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | not always |
| 21:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | some details in m5 are regressions from m4 |
| 21:46.03 | zakkkm | I guess Mer is gone now eh? |
| 21:46.11 | zakkkm | Havent been here in about a year and a half.. |
| 21:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | mer is dead |
| 21:46.29 | zakkkm | got ridof my N800 year or two ago, just recently got the N900 |
| 21:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | stskeeps went on to meego |
| 21:46.41 | zakkkm | nice |
| 21:46.47 | zakkkm | stskeeps still around? |
| 21:46.49 | MohammadAG | wants mer back :/ |
| 21:46.54 | MohammadAG | yeah, #meego |
| 21:47.02 | zakkkm | hows that gentoo doing? :) |
| 21:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | zakkkm: sure, in #meego-arm |
| 21:47.13 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:47.16 | MohammadAG | what's #meego-arm? |
| 21:47.36 | piggz_ | MohammadAG: the new hildon-desktop is great btw |
| 21:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | the N900 adaption taskforce of meego |
| 21:47.44 | jacekowski | javispedro: do you have links to that modified driver that can do tmc |
| 21:47.53 | MohammadAG | thank thp, his patches are awesome |
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| 21:48.15 | javispedro | yeah, a moment. |
| 21:48.32 | javispedro | jacekowski: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-November/027861.html |
| 21:48.34 | MohammadAG | the CSSU should've been out with PR1.0 tbh :p |
| 21:48.45 | MohammadAG | it really exposes the potential of the community |
| 21:48.45 | piggz_ | thp: thx too |
| 21:49.28 | Sc0rpius | holy sh!t |
| 21:49.28 | piggz_ | hmm, nice split |
| 21:49.28 | kerio | welcome to freenode |
| 21:49.34 | wmarone | good 'ol freenode |
| 21:49.40 | MohammadAG | where netsplits are very common, we stopped holy shit-ting |
| 21:49.58 | Sc0rpius | it's sad |
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| 21:50.28 | Sc0rpius | netsplits are so 90s |
| 21:50.29 | nox- | stupid kids |
| 21:50.29 | nox- | (i guess) |
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| 21:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-02-22 22:08:11] [Notice] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone! Just a bit of re-routing there which will hopefully reduce lag in parts of the network and make the layout a bit more sane. Sorry for the noise! Join #freenode with any questions. |
| 21:50.31 | malte_ | ahh now i have the old batterybar again... think i should reinstall Advanced Power |
| 21:50.31 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, is it possible to perform an fsck sometimes on bootup? |
| 21:50.44 | nox- | oh ok not even kids |
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| 21:50.51 | MohammadAG | kernel-power allows you to fsck on boot up, though it ruined my /home once |
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| 21:50.59 | malte_ | whats the standard phone lock code? |
| 21:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | 12345 |
| 21:51.35 | zakkkm_ | Hi sorry, n900 turned off |
| 21:51.35 | zakkkkm | is meego worth trying? |
| 21:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | errr how does PK do this? |
| 21:51.41 | ThreeM | hi there |
| 21:51.44 | MohammadAG | some config file |
| 21:51.46 | MohammadAG | checks |
| 21:51.46 | malte_ | MohammadAG, have had kernel power before...maybe it distroyed my /home? |
| 21:52.10 | zakkkkm | you guys know why i have no battery icon? |
| 21:52.18 | ThreeM | is it possible to use community ssu with powerkernel? i guess so but i want confirm |
| 21:52.25 | MohammadAG | # fsck of /home partition before mounting? |
| 21:52.26 | MohammadAG | # 0=never, 1=if necessary, force=always check |
| 21:52.26 | MohammadAG | FSCK_HOME=0 |
| 21:52.26 | malte_ | oh yeah... how does the phone do that? all reflashed but phonelock is the old one |
| 21:52.31 | MohammadAG | /etc/default/kernel-boot |
| 21:52.37 | MohammadAG | also allows early ssh, whatever that means |
| 21:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: the easiest method I know of is backupmenu pkg |
| 21:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | a child of botmenu |
| 21:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | bootmenu even |
| 21:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: phonelock is stored in CAL partition, that never gets reflashed |
| 21:53.30 | ThreeM | anyone? |
| 21:53.44 | MohammadAG | /dev/mtd1 |
| 21:53.48 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, what other things are stored in CAL? |
| 21:53.50 | MohammadAG | ThreeM, yes, kernel isn't touched by the CSSU |
| 21:53.55 | MohammadAG | IMEI |
| 21:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of cruft |
| 21:54.07 | MohammadAG | bme stuff |
| 21:54.12 | MohammadAG | what DocScrutinizer said |
| 21:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | MAC |
| 21:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | thermal profile |
| 21:54.25 | SpeedEvil | IMEI? |
| 21:54.26 | MohammadAG | a history of all reflashes |
| 21:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | bootcmdline |
| 21:54.30 | MohammadAG | yes, think so |
| 21:54.32 | SpeedEvil | The modem reads it? |
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| 21:54.36 | MohammadAG | hmm, CMDLINE? |
| 21:54.42 | MohammadAG | that's in the kernel partition |
| 21:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 21:54.57 | malte_ | and maybe information about using custom kernels, OS' or stl.? |
| 21:54.59 | MohammadAG | sure of it :p |
| 21:55.03 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 21:55.09 | MohammadAG | all reflashes are logged |
| 21:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 21:55.25 | malte_ | is it not possible to remove that? |
| 21:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | not advisable |
| 21:55.36 | MohammadAG | you might end up with a brick |
| 21:55.44 | MohammadAG | a permanent one, not the fixable "bricks" |
| 21:56.13 | malte_ | so when you only one time flash your n900 with another firmware -> warranty void... (because they can see it even if you reflash) |
| 21:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 21:56.26 | MohammadAG | warranty isn't void with reflashes |
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| 21:56.46 | malte_ | cant they see which kernel you flashed? |
| 21:56.49 | MohammadAG | however, if you fried the CPU, they can check if you have, for example, install kernel-power |
| 21:56.57 | MohammadAG | custom kernels don't void warranty |
| 21:57.00 | MohammadAG | overclocking does |
| 21:57.05 | SpeedEvil | I've run kernel power with no overclocking. |
| 21:57.13 | ThreeM | big thx :) |
| 21:57.14 | malte_ | but power-kernel without overclocking ? |
| 21:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you won't fry your CPU ;-) |
| 21:57.41 | MohammadAG | no worries there |
| 21:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: ...is safe |
| 21:57.49 | malte_ | thats good :) |
| 21:58.04 | zakkkkm_ | you guys overclock? |
| 21:58.06 | MohammadAG | I wonder if the N950 will do the same |
| 21:58.25 | MohammadAG | (signed kernels not required) |
| 21:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | some fools do - and very few experts that exactly know what they do |
| 21:58.44 | MohammadAG | like abill_uk |
| 21:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, he always knows what he's doing |
| 21:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | and *saying* |
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| 21:59.22 | zakkkkm_ | community ssu simple to install? |
| 21:59.41 | MohammadAG | very |
| 22:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | but does it blend? |
| 22:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 22:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | does it have a detaled changelog? |
| 22:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | brief but comprehensive |
| 22:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | there might be "bugs" I don't want to get fixed |
| 22:02.02 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
| 22:02.20 | zakkkkm_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation still up to date? |
| 22:03.05 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 22:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 22:03.48 | zakkkkm_ | "This will then automatically run through a series of scripts to ensure HAM will now be using community repository for updates." where are those scripts located? |
| 22:04.10 | MohammadAG | /usr/bin/install-community-ssu |
| 22:04.24 | MohammadAG | basically, what the icon runs |
| 22:04.29 | MohammadAG | it just checks if apt-worker is running |
| 22:04.32 | zakkkkm_ | ... phone internet acting oddly |
| 22:04.52 | zakkkkm_ | tethering fine .. but internet on phone seems dead |
| 22:04.52 | zakkkkm_ | ah |
| 22:05.03 | MohammadAG | basically, the script installs a dumb package, udpates package lists, then launches HAM in update mode |
| 22:05.11 | zakkkkm_ | phone seems to taking alot of RAM and such, was looking to try and decrease it |
| 22:05.11 | zakkkkm_ | too much swapping |
| 22:05.21 | malte_ | how to setup hidden wlan with n900? |
| 22:05.41 | MohammadAG | Status menu -> internet connection -> Hidden WLAN |
| 22:05.50 | malte_ | its not listed |
| 22:06.18 | malte_ | yeah now |
| 22:06.21 | malte_ | have to wait some time |
| 22:07.55 | malte_ | is n900 comatible with radius server? |
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| 22:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: hidden SSID is strongly deprecated |
| 22:10.23 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, whyß |
| 22:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | has security/privacy issues (yes!), plus may cause battery hog on N900 |
| 22:11.16 | malte_ | hidden SSID prevents kiddies from "hacking" |
| 22:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | bottom line: N900 has to ask all APs with hidden SSID "are you 'foo'?" "are you 'bar'?" |
| 22:11.37 | RST38h | does not afaik |
| 22:11.58 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, heres only one hidden AP |
| 22:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter |
| 22:12.21 | malte_ | hm |
| 22:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | it's nonsense, and deprecated |
| 22:12.38 | malte_ | hm.. but wpa2 is not soooo save? :/ |
| 22:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 22:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | wpa2 is just as safe as it gets, for now |
| 22:13.40 | malte_ | with good pc with good graphic card and an "idiot"-key - better an "standard" ssid you can hack it |
| 22:14.03 | Corsac | no |
| 22:14.03 | dschoepe | malte_: Not effectively |
| 22:14.03 | dschoepe | afaik, wpa2 is still perfectly safe/not broken |
| 22:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | dict attack is always possible |
| 22:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | get decent passphrase! |
| 22:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 22:14.37 | malte_ | dschoepe, hm... i7 quad core with CUDA graphic card... is very fast |
| 22:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | anyway not even hidden SSID will help against dict attack |
| 22:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | au contraire |
| 22:15.20 | Kegetys | if someone is going to crack wpa2 to get to your wlan, a "hidden" ssid is not going to stop them. Probably more just an invite to do it when they see you're trying to hide something :) |
| 22:15.42 | malte_ | hm |
| 22:16.03 | malte_ | can i use n900 with radius server? |
| 22:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | plus your device it shouting out loud all the APs you ever associated to, which had hidden SSID X-P |
| 22:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | incl their "hidden" SSIDs |
| 22:16.57 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, i think that all devices do that? when you monitor wlan with airmon you see the client probes for a,b,c,d,.... |
| 22:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | s/ all / *all* / |
| 22:17.45 | zakkkkm_ | all you people are foolish.. just make a set of like 100 fake AP with the same name as yours :P , they wouldnt ever try it :P |
| 22:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | sure, that's inevitable with hidden SSID, that'S why it's strongly deprecated. It has security/privacy issues |
| 22:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | didn't I mention that? |
| 22:18.39 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, but all devices are probing the NOT hidden ssids, too?! |
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| 22:18.56 | Kegetys | they dont need to be probed when they are broadcasted by the ap |
| 22:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | no, usually not |
| 22:19.19 | malte_ | hm... but when i monitor i see clients probing APs that are visible |
| 22:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | why should a device ask "are you foo?" when the AP clearly says it's 'bar' |
| 22:19.36 | malte_ | its a windows "bug" i think |
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| 22:19.57 | malte_ | so... do you know the "karma attack"? |
| 22:20.05 | Kegetys | afaik. the ssid is only really hidden when nothing is connected to the ap, if something is connected then you can see the ssid from the packets. So it works, but only if you dont use your wlan :P |
| 22:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: exactly |
| 22:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | as the clients talk to hidden AP with clear name, uncrypted |
| 22:20.36 | malte_ | Kegetys, yes but when i'm away for weeks i can be sure no one uses my wlan |
| 22:21.08 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, thats a problem... should be optimized... should ask crypted for aps |
| 22:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | bottom line: *forget* hidden SSID, it's nonsense, and dangerous |
| 22:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: that's nonsense |
| 22:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | how would you crypt an initial ping? |
| 22:22.31 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, do you know the "karma attack"? |
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| 22:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | hidden SSID has ZERO bebefit and quite some downsides / risks, so *forget* it |
| 22:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 22:23.11 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, i think it would be possible... |
| 22:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | benefit* |
| 22:23.37 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, karma attack uses the windows "bug" to ask for APs... |
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| 22:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | malte_: I use hidden SSID to invite my neighbours to associate to my AP :-P |
| 22:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | thank you very much for all the data |
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| 22:25.40 | malte_ | creates an virtual ap with the ssid the (unconnected) windows client asks for... - so that the windows client connects to the virtual ap... and then you can hack the windows client directly... without beeing in an normal network |
| 22:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's exactly why hidden ESSID is bad :-D |
| 22:26.38 | zakkkkm_ | How good is nitdroid? |
| 22:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | S/ E// |
| 22:26.46 | Megaltariak | But this would works only for unencrypted AP right ? |
| 22:26.57 | malte_ | DocScrutinizer, windows probes ALWAYS for some ap |
| 22:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | so what, I'm not interested in windows |
| 22:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | and I got no AP with hidden SSID |
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| 22:28.09 | malte_ | Megaltariak, the attack creates an unencrypted AP so that the windows client connects to it without asking the windows user for a key... so you create connection with it... and the user doesnt see it in most cases |
| 22:30.13 | Megaltariak | Why this would works with hidden ap and not with visible ones ? |
| 22:30.53 | malte_ | it works with every windows client... hum... dont know if it works too with windows 7 |
| 22:32.14 | Megaltariak | So if windows see an ap with no encryption and known essid, it would connect to it even if a key is saved for this essid ? |
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| 22:34.29 | malte_ | hm... dont know it sure... google for the "karma attack"... i have only seen it demonstrated by an IT security specialist... - he works for big concerns to hack them :D |
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| 22:35.06 | SpeedEvil | I love the fake real certificates attack. |
| 22:35.13 | nox- | malte_, what about ssid with a series of \0 chars, i guess thats also some exploit? |
| 22:35.17 | SpeedEvil | There are ~200 certificates trusted by most browsers. |
| 22:35.27 | SpeedEvil | These include - for example - the latvian government. |
| 22:35.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: mediaplayer doesn't play songs |
| 22:35.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't know name |
| 22:35.47 | MohammadAG | umm, it should |
| 22:35.55 | SpeedEvil | The latvian government can therefore generate a certificate for paypal.com that will be completely trusted by all browsers. |
| 22:36.01 | SpeedEvil | Even outside latvia. |
| 22:36.07 | SpeedEvil | (country picked at random) |
| 22:37.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: atrist, click one artist, unknow song, unknown length, no playback |
| 22:37.48 | MohammadAG | artist view is not done yet |
| 22:37.49 | nox- | SpeedEvil, yeah ssl isnt really `secure'... |
| 22:37.57 | MohammadAG | use album view or song view |
| 22:38.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 22:38.25 | MohammadAG | feel free to help, mafw is not that easy to work with :P |
| 22:38.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | I got some 1000 albums |
| 22:38.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | and no search |
| 22:39.00 | MohammadAG | technically, pressing the key on the keyboard should scroll to it |
| 22:39.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | unusable |
| 22:39.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | it doesn't |
| 22:39.20 | MohammadAG | it does here... |
| 22:39.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | you told me qt doesn't support it, ( ago |
| 22:39.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | 1h |
| 22:39.56 | MohammadAG | doesn't support search |
| 22:40.00 | MohammadAG | i.e a search box |
| 22:40.06 | MohammadAG | but clicking a button scrolls to that letter |
| 22:41.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | pff I shall know exact name of album? then pick from 100 with same starting letter? |
| 22:41.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, nice but not yet usable |
| 22:42.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | (yes it does jump, in album view) |
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| 22:45.34 | malte_ | its late... have to go to sleep now... @ SpeedEvil : sounds interesting |
| 22:46.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: playlist doesn't show when clicking cover art in player |
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| 22:47.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, duh, no MafwPlaylist |
| 22:47.31 | malte_ | good night |
| 22:47.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | going back to prev window is missing the bottom right button to go to player |
| 22:48.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | it shows up in root window, but tehn of course my selected album is unset |
| 22:48.40 | SpeedEvil | malte_: night |
| 22:48.49 | SpeedEvil | malte_: search defcon on youtube. |
| 22:49.00 | SpeedEvil | I especially liked the one about remote jackpotting cash machines. |
| 22:49.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | cover art is actually nice |
| 22:49.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | no distrotions :-D |
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| 22:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and ctrl-BS brings me a menu, rather than taslswitcher :-D |
| 22:57.24 | MohammadAG | yeah, need to change that to shift |
| 22:57.32 | MohammadAG | it's actually just ctrl |
| 22:57.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, click the backspace button alone |
| 22:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | err to do what? |
| 22:59.26 | MohammadAG | it closes the window |
| 22:59.42 | MohammadAG | basically, it's a clone of the <- button in the top corner |
| 22:59.48 | MohammadAG | I'm trying to make it keyboard friendly |
| 23:05.18 | trx | any idea on how may i "disable" Alt+Sym dialog for a certain control (or maybe the whole app)? |
| 23:05.45 | trx | (using Qt btw) |
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| 23:11.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: I want ctrl-bs taskswitcher, not 'alt-F4' close window |
| 23:12.18 | MohammadAG | heh, I need to change ctrl to shift |
| 23:12.27 | MohammadAG | sorry, got too much stuff on my hands |
| 23:12.32 | MohammadAG | see about -> build date |
| 23:12.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | bs for close-window is fine, but... |
| 23:13.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | oh, so I got you wrong |
| 23:13.27 | MohammadAG | I wanted to open the top menu with a key |
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| 23:13.38 | MohammadAG | so I used ctrl, overlooked the fact it can be used for CTRL-BS |
| 23:14.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | got it |
| 23:14.40 | MohammadAG | I want keyboard scrolling list widgets in hildon |
| 23:14.47 | MohammadAG | should be easy with libhildon1 edited |
| 23:15.41 | Arkenoi | Why isn't portrait mode screen keyboard in community SSU? |
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| 23:16.37 | MohammadAG | cause it can be installed via devel |
| 23:16.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | because there's none yet |
| 23:16.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ? |
| 23:16.42 | MohammadAG | there is one |
| 23:17.00 | MohammadAG | forcing rotation also forces the keyboard to portrait |
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| 23:17.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | meh |
| 23:17.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | couldn't bother less |
| 23:18.16 | Arkenoi | MohammadAG, the one included with forced rotation daemon? I'd like it to be separated, because rotation daemon is causing some applications to crash |
| 23:18.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | portrait kbd is a PITA |
| 23:18.38 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, uh, no, the patch in the CSSU |
| 23:18.48 | MohammadAG | it forces a portrait flag on all windows if you enable it |
| 23:19.12 | mikhas | does the HW keyboard rotate, too? |
| 23:19.12 | MohammadAG | by thp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtD926wNcYs |
| 23:19.21 | MohammadAG | no, your hands rotate |
| 23:19.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | we got any concept how to stop portrait mode autoswitching? |
| 23:19.54 | MohammadAG | yes |
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| 23:19.57 | MohammadAG | concept - yes |
| 23:20.02 | MohammadAG | implementation, not yet |
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| 23:20.14 | MohammadAG | basically, status menu + patched hildon-desktop + gconf |
| 23:20.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | we need a per-app config option |
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| 23:20.44 | MohammadAG | if it's in the status menu, it's easily accessible :P |
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| 23:21.08 | DocScrutinizer-8 | one app might be nice in portrait, while another one crashes |
| 23:21.16 | MohammadAG | yeah, whitelist |
| 23:21.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yes |
| 23:21.50 | MohammadAG | thp, suggested we make one for stock apps that are closed, the rest are all rotated depending on a portrait flag |
| 23:21.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so I see we actually have a concept ;-D |
| 23:21.56 | MohammadAG | (the ones that are open) |
| 23:22.04 | MohammadAG | I thought you meant orientation lock |
| 23:22.30 | MohammadAG | like when you're in bed, and you're on the N900, if you're on the right side, it can rotate to portrait while you want it in landscape |
| 23:22.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sure we need a master switch to override |
| 23:22.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | 3 positions |
| 23:22.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | portrait ls auto |
| 23:23.27 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 23:23.34 | MohammadAG | 0 1 2 in gconf |
| 23:23.47 | MohammadAG | 0 = default (auto), 1 = ls, 2 = portrait |
| 23:23.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | it's an interesting question which one overrides the other, of whitelist and masterswitch |
| 23:23.57 | MohammadAG | handled by a status bar applet like the 3G applet |
| 23:24.08 | MohammadAG | master switch overrides all |
| 23:24.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | each app needs ask-portr ask-ls auto force-ls force-portr |
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| 23:30.09 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I dont believe I say this, but probably gconf is the right thing to keep the per-app settings |
| 23:30.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so no whitelist |
| 23:30.32 | MohammadAG | well, it's only for closed apps |
| 23:30.36 | MohammadAG | open apps should use the flag |
| 23:31.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | but you can edit gconf to hold any of those 5 states via gconftool for the apps that donn't have a menu for it |
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| 23:31.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | the 'flag' is just that those apps know to gconf |
| 23:32.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | don't introduce to segregate concepts for the same thing |
| 23:32.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | two* |
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| 23:41.58 | javispedro | omg DocScrutinizer-8 must be the evil twin of DocScrutinizer, seeing he just recommended use of gconf |
| 23:42.57 | ptl | no, DocScrutinizer-8 is the 8-bit version of DocScrutinizer |
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| 23:43.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | OSI layer 8 |
| 23:44.49 | javispedro | any guess-estimates at the download size of the latest windows service pack? |
| 23:45.02 | MohammadAG | 400MBs |
| 23:45.09 | javispedro | (it is obviously surprising, that's why I'm quoting it =) ) |
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| 23:45.36 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 23:45.51 | javispedro | around 2.5 GiBs |
| 23:46.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | damn I was about to suggest 4.8 |
| 23:46.36 | DocScrutinizer-8 | aka 'one single layer DVD' |
| 23:46.55 | javispedro | that would be more than the win setup dvd itself |
| 23:47.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so what? sounds about reasonable |
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| 23:48.19 | DocScrutinizer-8 | they not only need the new versions, but also the cleansers for the old crap's crap |
| 23:49.01 | javispedro | well that's like, two and a half tons of crap |
| 23:49.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and probably a complete old original version to compare and detect pirated stuff |
| 23:50.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so obviously it has to be at least 2 times the size of original |
| 23:54.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | javispedro: I'd not suggest gconfd if it weren't running anyway |
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