| 00:00.40 | nox- | hm or maybe i didnt press power `long enough'? |
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| 00:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | glares angrily aside on the few chips that are always powered and might actually shit on the I2C bus the live on |
| 00:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | I2C_2: tainted |
| 00:03.09 | nox- | in my case iirc it hung with the screen still on... |
| 00:03.20 | nox- | or shall i say backlight |
| 00:05.09 | lucent | interesting, wl1251 injection source "held hostage" by the developer? :) |
| 00:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | ok, this is a "normal" case, though even then you should be able to switch off with long powerbutton press (I guess, though still loading twl4030 docs) |
| 00:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | lucent: nonsense |
| 00:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: |
| 00:05.49 | nox- | and this was also when i only had the device for a few days so i didnt know about things like long power button presses... |
| 00:05.55 | nox- | i guess |
| 00:06.13 | lucent | DocScrutinizer: oh, guess I'm late to the party |
| 00:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | twl4030 and CPU communicate via 2 dedicated I2C, for Control and SmartReflex |
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| 00:06.38 | javispedro | retarded mke2fs deciding a 3GiB partition's inode table size should be small enough not to be able to fit even gentoo's stage3. |
| 00:07.00 | Dado7 | hi people ! good nights |
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| 00:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | so there's no chance a locked up peripheral chip would mess this communication and thus block correct power-down/up |
| 00:07.54 | nox- | hm and in your case long powerbutton press didnt help? |
| 00:08.03 | nox- | actually isnt there also some watchdog? |
| 00:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | nox, yes there is |
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| 00:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | even two, one of them in twl4030 afaik |
| 00:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | and no, power button didn't help, not even 30s |
| 00:08.58 | nox- | ok |
| 00:09.01 | nox- | :/ |
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| 00:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | let's enumerate the chips that have to way to hard reset them, other than removing battery: bq24150 (charger), bq27200 (batgauge), lp5523 (lysti LED)... |
| 00:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | of course twl4030 |
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| 00:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | flashdriver, N4290 2V5 regulator, N4242 2V8 reg, USB PHY 1707, N1350 LCD backlight driver, Speaker Amp, N6453 2V8 reg BT, WLAN module, BT module, GPS module, GAZOO |
| 00:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | I should've listed what's NOT directly hooked up to VBAT |
| 00:28.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oh, I'd wish you'd be able to power it down by holding power button. |
| 00:30.12 | SpeedEvil1 | You can |
| 00:30.16 | SpeedEvil1 | press and hold 10s |
| 00:30.30 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: what, so the bluetooth modual isn't disconnected from power when you disable bluetooth? |
| 00:30.32 | BCMM | ^module |
| 00:30.45 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: 99.9% of stuff has soft-power off modes. |
| 00:30.51 | BCMM | k |
| 00:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | nope, obviously not |
| 00:31.03 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Where they use a tiny, often negligable amount of power when turned 'off' |
| 00:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yeap, but what if that fails? |
| 00:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | (10s) |
| 00:31.41 | SpeedEvil | Hit power button with sledgehammer. |
| 00:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:31.50 | nox- | haha |
| 00:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | did that on t900 :-P |
| 00:32.04 | nox- | t900? |
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| 00:32.17 | SpeedEvil | It's the n900 with a mimetic alloy case. |
| 00:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | the t-est 900 |
| 00:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 00:32.33 | SpeedEvil | It comes with a free connection to skynet. |
| 00:32.40 | DocScrutinizer | while the other one is IroN900 |
| 00:32.42 | nox- | haha |
| 00:35.59 | javispedro | obviously I was talking about poweroff after kernel panic or similar error condition =9 |
| 00:36.28 | javispedro | the fact that I forgot to mention that quite important detail probably says how I usually torture the n900... |
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| 00:38.30 | javispedro | AND most importantly, one would like to be able to use the N900 afterwards. You know, like the space shuttle. So that discards the sledgehammer. |
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| 00:39.28 | Shapeshifter | Gh0sty: yes? |
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| 00:44.01 | pupnik | javispedro: i blew out both speakers on mine :) |
| 00:44.27 | javispedro | hey, I just blew out one =) |
| 00:44.42 | javispedro | talking about torture, my n900 suddenly went crazy |
| 00:44.45 | pupnik | were you bypassing pulse? |
| 00:44.49 | javispedro | [45587.648223] attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 00:44.49 | javispedro | [45587.648284] mmcblk0p3: rw=0, want=4457448, limit=4194304 |
| 00:44.54 | javispedro | that's the _swap_ partition |
| 00:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | the device (even if the backup registers are not reset). |
| 00:44.57 | javispedro | reboot time... |
| 00:45.43 | javispedro | makes a point to try that later on |
| 00:46.20 | javispedro | this is absolutely funny. |
| 00:46.31 | javispedro | suddenly the kernel went crazy and forgot about the swap partition size. |
| 00:46.46 | javispedro | so everything that gets swapped out is corrupted |
| 00:47.09 | javispedro | uh oh, including my FS |
| 00:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | When PWRON is pressed for 8 seconds and the battery is not removed, all the registers in the VBAT domain except SC_CONFIG, SC_DETECT1, SC_DETECT2, WATCHDOG_CFG, and IT_CHECK_CFG are reset, and the registers in the backup domain are reset only when the main battery is removed after pressing the PWRON key for 8 seconds. |
| 00:48.40 | nox- | javispedro, :( |
| 00:49.46 | nox- | btw DocScrutinizer how much of that stuff you are reading there is public? |
| 00:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | umm all? |
| 00:50.09 | nox- | oh :) |
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| 00:50.48 | nox- | is the a link list or something? |
| 00:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | TWL4030__TPS65950 OMAP⢠Power Management and System Companion Device ES 1.0 TRM (Rev. D)__swcu050d.pdf |
| 00:54.25 | EstaTiC_FeAR | i am in love with this os and n900 nokia |
| 00:54.28 | EstaTiC_FeAR | i must admit it |
| 00:54.31 | EstaTiC_FeAR | i am going to marry my phone |
| 00:54.32 | EstaTiC_FeAR | lol |
| 00:55.16 | luke-jr_ | EstaTiC_FeAR: Nokia killed Maemo off a long time ago already. |
| 00:55.27 | EstaTiC_FeAR | so what? |
| 00:55.33 | EstaTiC_FeAR | still i can love it and that phone |
| 00:55.34 | EstaTiC_FeAR | :) |
| 00:55.34 | luke-jr_ | you can't usually marry a corpse |
| 00:55.39 | EstaTiC_FeAR | tells who? :D |
| 00:55.41 | EstaTiC_FeAR | hehe |
| 00:55.42 | luke-jr_ | (nor tech, but that's beside the point) |
| 00:56.15 | EstaTiC_FeAR | don't get everything so serious |
| 00:56.23 | EstaTiC_FeAR | i simply like phone and it's features |
| 00:57.33 | Per_n900 | Its great, I agree. There is nothing else like it, just use it and be happy. |
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| 00:58.19 | EstaTiC_FeAR | few hours ago i run a movie with mplayer and i played it same as on my computer |
| 00:58.33 | EstaTiC_FeAR | and that is something i first time saw on mobile phone |
| 00:58.34 | EstaTiC_FeAR | lol |
| 00:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | to whom it may concern: VBATlow_th = 2.7V (hard shutdown). VBAT_good seems to be 2.85V (minimum VBAT to start device) |
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| 01:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | Vbupbat_min=1.8V |
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| 01:05.06 | RobbieAB | Is the N900 music player supposed to be UTF enabled? |
| 01:05.18 | lucent | I don't think so |
| 01:05.26 | RobbieAB | Ok. |
| 01:05.32 | lucent | are you referring to filnames or metadata? |
| 01:05.37 | RobbieAB | Filenames. |
| 01:05.38 | lucent | (filenames) |
| 01:05.40 | RobbieAB | I assume |
| 01:05.53 | lucent | most music will be from vfat driver, right? |
| 01:05.57 | RobbieAB | Yeah. |
| 01:06.17 | RobbieAB | But THAT is ok with the filenames, it's just scrambling the accented characters. |
| 01:06.46 | RobbieAB | At least, it was from my laptop. :S |
| 01:07.10 | lucent | your laptop would be mounting the filesystem with *its* vfat driver and options |
| 01:07.20 | blackthorne | I've been trying to make apps with qt for my n900 but they look horrible, they look like the desktop version |
| 01:07.24 | lucent | not the options used on the N900, you see, it is unmounted when you connect in storage mode |
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| 01:07.54 | lucent | http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon |
| 01:08.00 | blackthorne | How can I build an app that looks native just like the default appsthat come with maemo 5? |
| 01:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | (2.85V startup) umm, actually: >> VBUS and USB levels are reset to 0 when VBAT is low. When recovering from a VBAT domain reset (for example, when changing from NO_BAT to VBAT > 3.2 V), if the starting condition levels are valid, the device starts (example: it starts if VBUS is already plugged in). |
| 01:08.31 | lucent | blackthorne: respect the Hildon UI (see above) |
| 01:08.54 | javispedro | tracker is stupid. |
| 01:09.28 | blackthorne | Hildon... I've heard that name before... Thanks |
| 01:09.31 | RobbieAB | lucent: The file manager on the N900 displays the characters correctly... |
| 01:10.10 | lucent | ok |
| 01:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, thermal shutdown level = 150°C |
| 01:11.02 | RobbieAB | Oh well. I guess I will just ignore it as best I can. Seems like an odd absence from the device though. :( |
| 01:11.51 | blackthorne | Is there any simulator/emulator that could help me debugging apps for the n900? |
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| 01:12.33 | nox- | there's a madde qemu... |
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| 01:13.54 | blackthorne | nox-: I found a post refering to it, seems not to completely boot |
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| 01:16.08 | nox- | hm i dont remember what i did exactly to get it running... :/ |
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| 01:17.07 | blackthorne | nox-: So you are telling me it works, right? |
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| 01:17.17 | nox- | wfm |
| 01:17.29 | nox- | i only found pr1.2 images tho iircv |
| 01:17.30 | nox- | iirc |
| 01:18.30 | nox- | tho that was a while ago, maybe there are pr1.3 ones now |
| 01:18.32 | javispedro | blackthorne: best is real device. |
| 01:18.58 | javispedro | blackthorne: otherwise, what you're using to develop? |
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| 01:21.22 | blackthorne | pyside |
| 01:21.28 | blackthorne | emacs |
| 01:24.22 | nox- | http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/02/09/white-trash-repairs-must-be-browsing-too-much-hot-stuff/ |
| 01:24.29 | javispedro | blackthorne: so, what functionality you want to emulate? just run the stuff on your host computer. |
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| 01:25.07 | blackthorne | the whole OS, I want to test my apps in a more agile way |
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| 01:26.48 | nox- | http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/news/data-shows-disastrous-gps-jamming-fcc-approved-broadcaster-11029?utm_source=GPS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Navigate_01_31_2011&utm_content=data-shows-disastrous-gps-jamming-fcc-approved-broadcaster-11029 |
| 01:30.00 | javispedro | blackthorne: scratchbox (aka the maemo sdk) ships with a port of the most importance pieces of the OS to x86 that you can run (on a chroot + a Xephyr window) |
| 01:36.52 | Arkenoi | reuters says n9 is to be dropped? |
| 01:37.18 | Arkenoi | smells much like bullshit, though |
| 01:37.28 | wmarone | old news |
| 01:37.54 | javispedro | aha. |
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| 01:38.23 | javispedro | yet another patch for tracker, to make it _fscking properly ignore /mnt if I had tell it to do it SO, dammit!_ |
| 01:39.34 | javispedro | ( http://maemo.pastebin.com/EWMDjpq7 ) |
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| 01:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | can we fsckng nuke tracker PLEASE? and replace it with a simple directory scan realtime |
| 01:46.41 | javispedro | "simple" and "realtime directory scan" is seemingly an imposible task, based on previous example (tracker, nokia's metacrawler) |
| 01:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: until that glorious day tracker dies, where can I get the patched binary? |
| 01:49.02 | pupnik | You can disable tracker |
| 01:49.09 | pupnik | one of the first things to do |
| 01:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | or better yet: nuke mediaplayer, gallery, trackerd, thumbnailer, camera-ui, and use some *sane* apps that don't base on such a brainfart concept of a shadow meta "file " hierarchy |
| 01:50.53 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/tracker/ |
| 01:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: which doesn't help either, as then no camera and no maediaplayer works anymore |
| 01:51.14 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: main tracker_0.6.95-*_armel.deb package should be enough |
| 01:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:51.38 | javispedro | there are some more patches attached but those are about cover art |
| 01:52.32 | javispedro | should probably try to get those into the community ssu or something |
| 01:53.31 | SpeedEvil | sighs at insufficiently sanitised data. |
| 01:53.35 | javispedro | ah, the good old days, when I mentioned to someone that we should probably get those in the next PR and his optimist answer was "We'll also get the more recent version of tracker, as it fixes X and Y too". |
| 01:53.42 | javispedro | never happened. |
| 01:53.42 | javispedro | sighs, depressed. |
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| 01:53.55 | SpeedEvil | ReCaptcha - presents me with a formulae - with random greek and other letters to enter |
| 01:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 01:55.39 | javispedro | hahahahaha |
| 01:55.40 | javispedro | I kinda love when one word is a clearly legible one and the other one is a... for example, a tree. |
| 01:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | sighs at brainfuck of skimming 300+pp in /home/jr/Documents/N900/TWL4030__TPS65950 OMAP⢠Power Management and System Companion Device ES 1.0 TRM (Rev. D)__swcu050d.pdf |
| 01:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | at least I learnt a bit about e.g SmartReflex |
| 01:57.01 | javispedro | now that I fixed damn tracker, let's go back to what I was doing... |
| 01:57.07 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: which was? teach friggin galery to segregate pr0n from family snapshots? :-D |
| 01:58.15 | javispedro | something like that but with geek pr0n |
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| 01:58.59 | javispedro | oh, nice, clean, empty media player without all the pesky .wav files it got from the gentoo chroot. |
| 01:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be happy enough to find it drop all the irreco button png |
| 02:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | and cover art |
| 02:00.11 | javispedro | ah, cover art is unfortunate. |
| 02:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | gallery that is |
| 02:00.22 | javispedro | if it doesn't index it it won't use it for album art. |
| 02:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | while mediaplayer doesn't use separate cover art, only embedded ones it seems |
| 02:00.57 | pupnik | it is quite a failure for indexers to acquire all the graphics and media from games |
| 02:01.12 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: with my patch it does, oh yes. |
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| 02:01.49 | javispedro | (the above mentioned patch(es) to tracker, I mean) |
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| 02:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng trackerd should restrict itself to exactly 2 directories: MyDocs/mp3/ and MyDocs/DCIM |
| 02:03.22 | javispedro | edit .config/tracker/tracker.cfg and kill: |
| 02:03.56 | javispedro | set WatchDirectory=$HOME/MyDocs/mp3;$HOME/MyDocs/DCIM; |
| 02:04.13 | javispedro | IndexMountedDirectories=false |
| 02:04.17 | javispedro | IndexRemovableMedia=false |
| 02:04.31 | javispedro | and if it tries to index anything else, try my patches. |
| 02:04.58 | javispedro | is starting to tame this tracker beast =) |
| 02:05.48 | javispedro | that won't prevent gallery showing albumart though. |
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| 02:07.22 | compengi | hello all, i have 2 questions. first, i'm trying to charge the battery on linux, does it make a difference? i've read somewhere that i may need a nokia application to fully charge the battery? and 2nd i mounted the drive to my desktop, now i see 4 folders: cities, DCIM, Mac OS and temp. i want to copy some music to phone, so that the media player software would recognize them, to which folder should i copy the music to? |
| 02:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: Throttle = 15 |
| 02:09.52 | javispedro | feel free to experiment |
| 02:09.57 | javispedro | I personally prefer it to end quickly |
| 02:10.04 | javispedro | any i/o on the n900 causes slowdowns.. |
| 02:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: aiui it's a clean old posix niceness |
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| 02:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | throttle is misleading |
| 02:11.09 | javispedro | compengi: 1) no, but the only way to charge it fast is using wall charger 2) any folder you want, though you might want to "show hidden folders" to see the "Documents", "Music", etc. ones |
| 02:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm mistaken |
| 02:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | 1) this doesn't really pull it off - the diff is like 20% |
| 02:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | actually in Mac OS/ directory there's a list of hidden and virtual names |
| 02:15.55 | compengi | javispedro, aha, many thanks! btw isn't slow charging process better than a quick one? |
| 02:16.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oh, I never got the "Mac OS" stuff to work under GNU. |
| 02:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | err not really (Mac OS), but at least it's a list of some of the .hidden dirs |
| 02:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | orly :-P |
| 02:17.44 | javispedro | yarly :D tought you mentioned using them. |
| 02:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | might be related to MacOS != GNU |
| 02:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 02:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | Mac OS/._Documents: AppleDouble encoded Macintosh file - MEH |
| 02:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | WTF that might be |
| 02:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's a useles 522k size |
| 02:20.02 | nox- | doesnt macos have those `resource forks' in files? |
| 02:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't that NTFS? |
| 02:20.36 | javispedro | compengi: depends on how much you want to wait, I guess. |
| 02:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | well, macOS as well I guess |
| 02:20.49 | villager | DocScrutinizer: maybe that contains a macos icon? |
| 02:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | though a different flavour |
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| 02:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | compengi: the diff is really small, and the impact on battery lifespan negligible |
| 02:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | compengi: locking the screen rather than keep it bright during charging has same effect as fastcharger |
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| 02:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | villager: prolly |
| 02:23.56 | DocScrutinizer | friggin huge icon o.O |
| 02:25.12 | villager | or maybe icons for everything that's in it by default... |
| 02:27.10 | compengi | okay |
| 02:27.11 | compengi | :) |
| 02:27.36 | compengi | DocScrutinizer, maybe turning off the device will make the difference even better |
| 02:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | compengi: as mentioned above the diff is like 20% longer |
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| 02:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | compengi: given the fact you can't really turn it off during charging, the effect is identical between "off" (aka ACT_DEAD) and a locked screen |
| 02:29.51 | compengi | i see |
| 02:30.03 | compengi | good to know |
| 02:33.53 | javispedro | lo |
| 02:33.54 | javispedro | l |
| 02:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it will charge like honey drips off the spoon, 90% reached very fast (like one hour) but for 96% you need another 3 hours, and it's unclear if there's such a thing like true 100% for LiIon cells |
| 02:34.14 | javispedro | in recent versions of gcc they're practically merging with Make itself |
| 02:34.35 | javispedro | (because gcc now controls the entire build process due to "link-time optimizations") |
| 02:35.34 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 02:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | so make is a hardlink to gcc then? |
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| 02:36.12 | javispedro | no, they talk over a socket |
| 02:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
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| 02:37.28 | javispedro | same way submakes talk to its parent make (for stuff like job control etc) |
| 02:37.56 | javispedro | also, new C 201x standard =9 |
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| 02:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | compengi: |
| 02:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~batteryfaq |
| 02:38.06 | infobot | batteryfaq is, like, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
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| 03:39.41 | Pauly | hello |
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| 04:36.38 | Gorroth | did nokia really kill off the N9? this makes me want to hulk smash! |
| 04:37.11 | Gorroth | javispedro: you mean C++? |
| 04:37.51 | javispedro | no, I mean C 201x, google it |
| 04:37.55 | Gorroth | i did |
| 04:37.57 | Gorroth | C++ came up first |
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| 04:39.52 | RobbieThe1st | Gorroth: We don't know. It's all rumor at this point |
| 04:40.18 | RobbieThe1st | Something will probably carry the "N9" label... but what the hardware behind that is... |
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| 04:44.21 | Gorroth | yeah |
| 04:44.26 | Gorroth | i just want it to be a phone, not a tablet |
| 04:44.29 | Gorroth | i mean, tablets are welcome |
| 04:44.33 | Gorroth | but i want a phone first |
| 04:44.57 | RobbieThe1st | It'll probably be like the n900 - mostly tablet, with phone functionality |
| 04:45.19 | RobbieThe1st | something that's a phone formost is probably reserved for low-end devices. |
| 04:45.39 | Gorroth | mmm, well, they probably should rethink that |
| 04:45.57 | RobbieThe1st | Hell, I'd argue the same about the iphone and androud |
| 04:46.00 | RobbieThe1st | *android |
| 04:46.42 | RobbieThe1st | Phone functionality's just low end. What we're dealing with is a phone "module" plugged into a computer - literally, in almost all cases |
| 04:47.12 | Gorroth | yeah, that is readily apparent in maemo |
| 04:47.19 | Gorroth | needs to be seemless |
| 04:47.21 | Gorroth | seamless |
| 04:48.00 | RobbieThe1st | eh, I disagree. For most people using one of these, the amount of time used as a phone is comparitively small |
| 04:48.18 | Gorroth | not a good argument |
| 04:48.21 | Gorroth | but i digress |
| 04:48.31 | psycho_oreos | nokia has been dogging with symbian |
| 04:49.01 | RobbieThe1st | Personally, I just took an old Nokia dumbphone and used that as my phone - It's got excellent battery life because it's never used |
| 04:49.08 | psycho_oreos | you think nokia would all of the sudden scrap all symbian for maemo/meego? |
| 04:49.43 | RobbieThe1st | N900's for everything else; that way I never run out of battery when I -need- phone functionality. And of course, I can always stick my sim in the n900 if I want it at some point |
| 04:49.52 | RobbieThe1st | (like if I get a data plan cheaply) |
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| 04:51.31 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: I don't think they have enough fecs up to speed to get meego to mass market. |
| 04:51.51 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, fecs? |
| 04:52.35 | psycho_oreos | ~google fecs |
| 04:52.42 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea what I tried to type there |
| 04:52.51 | SpeedEvil | enough coders |
| 04:53.01 | psycho_oreos | lol stupid bot.. meh |
| 04:53.17 | RobbieThe1st | I think meego will probably get to market - Intel's got deep pockets, regardless of Nokia |
| 04:53.27 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 04:53.27 | psycho_oreos | yeah well their main focus has been symbian, even after sacking a fair portion of symbian devs |
| 04:53.41 | SpeedEvil | But will meego get to market quickly? |
| 04:54.04 | RobbieThe1st | I also think Symbian's not gonna disappear - They are still selling many million devices. |
| 04:55.10 | psycho_oreos | no it won't disappear, my point is that nokia treated maemo like a niche market sort of thing hence the lack of functionality for this and that.. and when it came to n900, it was delivered poorly |
| 04:57.07 | psycho_oreos | intel may have deep pockets but they won't like to do with the ARM platform for too long |
| 04:57.09 | doc|home | maybe the marketing/sales but the phone itself is one I wouldn't swap for an iphone |
| 04:57.26 | psycho_oreos | s/do/deal/ |
| 04:57.36 | Sc0rpius | well a Nokia phone with an Intel Atom is not a bad idea in my head |
| 04:57.46 | doc|home | is the power usage comparable? |
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| 04:58.29 | Sc0rpius | well there has been rumors of phones with Intel Atom hitting the market this year |
| 04:58.31 | psycho_oreos | it won't be powered by atom, it'll be some really small intel x86 chipset, that was codenamed moorestown and has been available in aava mobile |
| 04:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: thanks for the idea you gave me |
| 04:59.00 | Sc0rpius | Pankaj Kedia, the Director of Intelâs Global Ecosystem Programs has shown us the first Atom-powered phones, one of which is from LG (model GW990). |
| 04:59.11 | Sc0rpius | (that was several months ago) |
| 04:59.21 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: And which was that? |
| 04:59.23 | Sc0rpius | but it was kinda usless |
| 04:59.32 | Sc0rpius | then they said the next generation will consume 10 times less power |
| 04:59.52 | psycho_oreos | and cheaper by the dozen? :) |
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| 05:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | you need a phone that works, even when you leeched battery empty on N900 with 'other usage' |
| 05:00.43 | RobbieThe1st | Oh yea. That -would- be a good idea |
| 05:00.56 | RobbieThe1st | Like a backup battery or disabled functionality at 10-20% charge? |
| 05:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | so the case of concern is: N900 stopped data nad irc and whatnot, and you need a working phone |
| 05:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 05:01.23 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 05:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | 10% should be enough |
| 05:02.09 | doc|home | for me data is more important than being able to get a phone call. I rarely use the phone as an actual phone :) |
| 05:02.17 | doc|home | data and sms that is |
| 05:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I'll come up with a nice lil app tomorrow |
| 05:03.03 | doc|home | heh |
| 05:03.18 | doc|home | I'd install that just for the coolness of it :) one more reason not to get an iphone |
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| 05:26.02 | ebzzry | Hi! I'm trying to install `findutils' but aptitude suggests that `busybox' be removed? Is that OK? The score is 298727 |
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| 05:29.33 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not OK |
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| 05:30.16 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/findutils-gnu/ I think is the right package |
| 05:30.25 | SpeedEvil | it does not replace busybox find, but adds gfind |
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| 05:35.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: updated puzzlemaster. Sorry but it's reaaly much less nice and snappy and smooth than before |
| 05:36.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | and after solving the puzzle it seems it segfaulted on clicking randomly on the tiles |
| 05:38.37 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: It's not OK since busyboy is a integral part of the system? |
| 05:38.43 | ebzzry | What package has `locate'? |
| 05:41.25 | ShadowJK | My new netbook (dual core atom N550) lasts me a day and has 55% battery left |
| 05:41.51 | ShadowJK | of course I don't open the lid as often as I pick up my N900.. and my N900 doesn't go into full suspend when I put it in my pocket.. |
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| 05:43.55 | ShadowJK | It takes like 3 seconds to hybrid suspend, which is fast for a x86, but still very slow |
| 05:44.47 | ShadowJK | on OLPC they could throw out the BIOS and use some opensource replacement, so they could actually enter suspend while still displaying a page of text on screen, and come out of suspend fast enough when user moved mouse that it was seamless more or less :D |
| 05:54.22 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHy3b7tsSyk Japan - Ghosts |
| 06:03.17 | SpeedEvil | ebzzry: yes - it will break. |
| 06:04.04 | pupnik | RIP Mick Karn |
| 06:04.40 | SpeedEvil | ebzzry: busybox is absolutely required for the system to boot. Even if you replace it with 'compatible' gnu tools, it won't work, due to busyboxisms in the scripts. |
| 06:04.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | nice version |
| 06:06.13 | pupnik | indeed |
| 06:06.35 | pupnik | just woke up from a dream, hearing/singing that song with different lyrics |
| 06:07.32 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: I've semi-bricked my system many times as a result of experimentation (replacing /bin/sh, among others). I find it odd that aptitude gives such a high score |
| 06:07.50 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: Since we're on that topic, is there an existing locate+updatedb package for Maemo 5? |
| 06:08.07 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: Or is the solution is "roll your own"? |
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| 06:09.25 | SpeedEvil | Go to http://maemo.org/packages/ - right click on the search box, and add it to a shortcut. Then simply type 'p locate' into the location bar. |
| 06:09.45 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/locate/ |
| 06:10.16 | Dhraakellian | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmoDLyiQYKw |
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| 06:12.49 | ebzzry | Thanks |
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| 07:38.17 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: Is it OK to point /usr/bin/find to /usr/bin/gfind? |
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| 08:03.23 | RobbieThe1st | ebzzry: I'd move /usr/bin/gfind into the rootfs first though |
| 08:03.34 | RobbieThe1st | It's - IIRC - symlinked from the optfs |
| 08:04.07 | RobbieThe1st | also, install backupmenu first; you'll likely need to reflash if you make a mistake otherwise |
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| 08:12.52 | Termana | good morning |
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| 08:28.26 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | a belated good morning to you too |
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| 08:31.53 | ZogG | lol just saw intel jobs for students. they have Atom SoC Development Group for tablet and netbook development =) |
| 08:32.45 | RST38h | Yes. So, what is wrong with it? |
| 08:33.09 | ZogG | most of it for hardware development =) |
| 08:33.42 | ZogG | RST38h i think it's meego related |
| 08:33.49 | RST38h | Expected, given Intel's industrial orientation |
| 08:34.13 | ZogG | and RST38h shut up, i don't want to talk to russians ))) |
| 08:34.26 | RST38h | ZogG: No. You have most likely found a UMG job |
| 08:34.38 | ZogG | UMG stands for? |
| 08:34.38 | ebzzry | RobbieAB1: Hmm, but gfind is located in /usr/bin/gnu/find |
| 08:34.45 | RST38h | ZogG: If you want Meego, look for SSG jobs |
| 08:35.14 | RST38h | ZogG: Ultra Mobility Group |
| 08:35.19 | ZogG | RST38h do you read habr |
| 08:35.29 | RST38h | ZogG: Nope |
| 08:35.36 | ZogG | RST38h APG is better |
| 08:35.59 | RST38h | ZogG: Meego is mostly done by OTC, so look for a job there |
| 08:36.03 | ZogG | RST38h you probably one of those who read 2ch =) |
| 08:36.08 | RST38h | No. |
| 08:36.22 | ebzzry | Oops |
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| 08:36.29 | ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: Hmm, but gfind is located in /usr/bin/gnu/find |
| 08:36.51 | RobbieThe1st | make sure that's not a symlink |
| 08:36.52 | ZogG | RST38h are you on linux? |
| 08:37.00 | RST38h | ZogG: Win7. |
| 08:37.06 | ZogG | buu =) |
| 08:37.16 | ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: It isn't. By the way, is the boot process dependent on an existence of 'find'? |
| 08:37.41 | kerio | maybe! |
| 08:37.45 | kerio | maemo is weird like that |
| 08:37.53 | RobbieThe1st | Probaby |
| 08:37.53 | kerio | it's probably dependent on the phase of the moon |
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| 08:39.00 | ebzzry | Can anyone confirm it? |
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| 08:39.06 | RST38h | Ok, looks like there will be more fear and loathing here today, given the new wave of news abut Nokia switching to WP7 |
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| 08:39.42 | ZogG | RST38h i don't get who started that rumor |
| 08:39.50 | Corsac | not me! |
| 08:40.09 | ZogG | oh, got ya |
| 08:40.15 | RST38h | ZogG: There are multiple sources, so it is no longer a rumor |
| 08:40.33 | ZogG | like RST38h would say "on robber the hat is on fire" |
| 08:40.48 | ZogG | RST38h i don't think it's even logical |
| 08:40.56 | ZogG | all the sources are the same |
| 08:40.56 | RST38h | ZogG: does not have to be logical |
| 08:41.03 | ZogG | one started rumors and here we go |
| 08:41.03 | RST38h | is kinda tired to repeat that btw |
| 08:41.09 | RST38h | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-02-09/nokia-is-said-to-be-near-partnership-with-microsoft.html |
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| 08:42.25 | Pavlov | windows on my n900! |
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| 08:42.35 | RST38h | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-10/nokia-said-to-be-near-partnership-to-use-microsoft-software-on-handsets.html |
| 08:42.49 | ZogG | RST38h i say meego+wp7+android+rim's os = nokia new Os |
| 08:42.51 | ZogG | OS |
| 08:43.05 | ZogG | Pavlov where are your dogs man? |
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| 08:43.08 | RST38h | http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/technology/04nokia.html |
| 08:43.21 | ZogG | RST38h they just copy paste from each other |
| 08:43.27 | ZogG | it's not true |
| 08:43.28 | johnx | ZogG, Nokia will just ship phones with no OS direct to end-users |
| 08:43.29 | ZogG | NOOO |
| 08:43.54 | ZogG | i don't want to hear anything from it anymore, ba babababa (can't hear you) lalalalalala |
| 08:44.07 | RST38h | johnx: Hasn't OpenMoko done that? =) |
| 08:44.17 | ZogG | johnx, no, they would ship pictures of phones |
| 08:44.38 | johnx | ZogG, nah. it's just playing to their core competency: hardware |
| 08:44.48 | johnx | so actually, maybe they'll just ship plastic cases |
| 08:45.12 | tybollt | so I Guess everyone luled over the Ellop letter on engadget already? :) |
| 08:45.33 | ZogG | johnx or all parts and you need to connect them and a box to put in there |
| 08:45.45 | ZogG | tybollt he wrote letter? |
| 08:45.51 | johnx | tybollt, yeah. there was a spirted discussion |
| 08:46.00 | Pavlov | everyone brushed up on your Qt bindings for silverlight? |
| 08:46.05 | ZogG | about burning gasoline/ |
| 08:46.07 | ZogG | ? |
| 08:47.03 | ZogG | i heard new thing instead Qt is mono |
| 08:47.11 | ZogG | mono ftw |
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| 08:47.18 | ZogG | let's spread rumors ) |
| 08:47.31 | johnx | ZogG, it was something about standing about pouring gasoline on a burning scaffolding. I think it was meant to be a warning to people doing home renovation |
| 08:48.07 | RST38h | johnx: Personally reminded me of a medieval witch execution method |
| 08:48.32 | RST38h | johnx: Where they tied the witch to some logs, fired her up, and sent her sailing |
| 08:48.35 | johnx | RST38h, naaah. I watched a documentary once. I think they throw them in the water and see if they float |
| 08:49.02 | RST38h | johnx: right, but it is also necessary to ignite the witch for better show |
| 08:49.03 | ZogG | johnx, yeah i saw also people laughing about last time they said android is like peeing to warm yourself and about Nokia burring one Os after another =) |
| 08:49.38 | RST38h | johnx: Anyways, there is still a possibility this whole thing will blow off |
| 08:50.13 | ZogG | i don't belive in any WP7 on nokia |
| 08:50.14 | marmoute | johnx: they compare them to duck weight. no need to throw them in water ! |
| 08:50.22 | johnx | heh. My bet: They announce all Nokia E-series phones will continue to have Exchange support or something |
| 08:50.38 | RST38h | johnx: Nokia will release a few WP7 phones for the US market, the phones will [expectedly] tank, the corpses go back to square 1\ |
| 08:50.41 | johnx | marmoute, ah. you saw the same documentary! |
| 08:51.03 | johnx | RST38h, also sounds familiar. It worked sooo well for Palm |
| 08:51.13 | RST38h | marmoute: Actually, the threshold is not a duck weight, it is ~40kg |
| 08:51.32 | RST38h | marmoute: Heavier girls can't fly through a chimney |
| 08:51.46 | RST38h | johnx: SGI too, I think |
| 08:52.04 | johnx | marmoute, what was the presenter's name? Mr. Python? |
| 08:52.13 | RST38h | johnx: Is anyone buying those WP7 phones, anyway? |
| 08:52.38 | RST38h | johnx: Or is it a new Zune? |
| 08:52.59 | johnx | RST38h, soooo, I actually live like 10 minutes from MS HQ. I hang out with a lot of the MS guys on a regularish basis. Of the 8 or so I know, I think two (a husband and wife) have a WP7 phone |
| 08:53.25 | johnx | but android adoption was not super quick either |
| 08:53.43 | RST38h | johnx: So, what DO they have? RAZRs? |
| 08:53.44 | johnx | given time I think it will eek out a decent little niche next to Android for one reason or another |
| 08:53.51 | ZogG | johnx i bet they got WP7 phones cause they don't care and it was for free |
| 08:53.55 | johnx | RST38h, iphones. android. one has an n900 |
| 08:54.04 | RST38h | johnx: OMG |
| 08:54.13 | ZogG | johnx KILL HIM |
| 08:54.21 | johnx | ZogG, my point being that they could *all* have them for free. and most *don't* |
| 08:54.35 | RST38h | johnx: Well, I have checked a few WP7 reviews and the thing looks awful |
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| 08:54.44 | ZogG | i want to take iphone now for contrqct for free |
| 08:54.58 | ZogG | as it has a lot of demand in Israel |
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| 08:55.01 | ZogG | and to sell it |
| 08:55.09 | ZogG | just not sure to do it or wait |
| 08:55.19 | RST38h | johnx: Not clear why anyone would buy something like that, given a choice of Android and iPhone phones |
| 08:55.21 | ZogG | maybe i can take n8 for free as well |
| 08:55.43 | ZogG | but i wouldn't chnage n900 anyway so it's btter phone i can sell easily |
| 08:56.01 | ZogG | RST38h, i don't get why people buy iphone at all |
| 08:56.03 | johnx | RST38h, the two people I know who have them didn't pay for them, AFAIK. I don't remember what dept they work in, but they might also have work involving them |
| 08:56.12 | ZogG | i think there are two things iphone is awesome |
| 08:56.23 | ZogG | 1st is tap tap revenge game |
| 08:56.29 | ZogG | 2nd is in selling |
| 08:56.43 | ZogG | it's just iPhone feature to be awesome in sellings with no reason =) |
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| 08:56.57 | ZogG | it's like mystery |
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| 09:11.04 | Venemo_N900 | hey all |
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| 09:14.32 | xkr47 | hello |
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| 09:38.33 | Khertan | Morning |
| 09:38.34 | Khertan | ! |
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| 10:00.09 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | morning again |
| 10:00.23 | Khertan | morning agagin [DrkGUNMAN-N900] |
| 10:00.25 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:03.42 | chem|st | morning |
| 10:04.02 | chem|st | is the CSSU wifi module a bit buggy? |
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| 10:09.39 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | havent had any problems with wifi since installing cssu. whats up? |
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| 10:20.04 | chem|st | where was the wpa_cli package hidden? |
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| 10:40.30 | mazingo | hi there |
| 10:41.18 | alterego | heh, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12391129 |
| 10:42.57 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: ridiculous |
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| 10:46.28 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: you should ask the islamic church to bless your quaran app |
| 10:46.40 | Khertan | chem|st: didn't have any |
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| 10:48.18 | alterego | Hahah |
| 10:49.52 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: :D |
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| 10:50.51 | alterego | bbl :) |
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| 10:54.37 | larin | Hi, guys. I bought n900. I have a ssh access. And now I have a question: How I can know the version of installed Maemo OS? |
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| 10:56.01 | johnx | larin, settings -> about product |
| 10:56.46 | johnx | the current release is 20.2010.36-2 aka PR1.3 |
| 10:57.21 | larin | johnx, Maemo 5, Version: 20.2010.36-2 |
| 10:57.31 | larin | johnx, thx) |
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| 11:03.49 | chem|st | Khertan: what handles wpa then? |
| 11:04.35 | Khertan | chem|st: what's the problem with it ? i use wpa on my wifi routers with my n900 without problem |
| 11:04.44 | Khertan | (i ven't change the settings since the update) |
| 11:05.24 | chem|st | Khertan: I am looking for some kind of debug info and or cli interface |
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| 11:06.03 | kerio | i ven't change the settings either |
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| 11:06.25 | chem|st | the wifi on n900 works fine, it was a radius prox error |
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| 11:07.00 | Pillum | hey there |
| 11:07.14 | Pillum | which is the fastest psx emulator for n900 |
| 11:07.18 | ZogG | Khertan do you read twitter replies? |
| 11:07.33 | chem|st | Pillum: are there many? |
| 11:07.40 | Khertan | ZogG: of course why ? |
| 11:07.54 | Khertan | ZogG: but i'm at the office right now :) |
| 11:08.18 | ZogG | Khertan cause :1st i twutted you, 2nd if you use phone and i'm not in your followers list you can't see me |
| 11:08.28 | Pillum | chem|st: dunno, how many are there? :D |
| 11:08.31 | ZogG | you gonna go for qml as i assume |
| 11:08.50 | chem|st | Pillum: if there is only one the question is obsolete |
| 11:08.57 | ZogG | so you can make nice menu like in new gpodder |
| 11:08.59 | Khertan | (12:08:27) ZogG: Khertan cause :1st i twutted you, 2nd if you use phone and i'm not in your followers list you can't see me <<< but khweeteur unified view show reply :) |
| 11:09.24 | ZogG | Khertan what? |
| 11:09.28 | Khertan | ZogG: didn't see the menu of qml gpodder |
| 11:09.45 | ZogG | ok before that btw if you reminded me |
| 11:10.01 | ZogG | on twit menu you have 5 buttons and place for one more =) |
| 11:10.47 | ZogG | maybe you should add "view conversation" or "mention" there, mention is if i want to mention person but do not want to reply to this certain twit |
| 11:11.09 | Khertan | ZogG: the one more isn't ready ... (this place is reserve for direct message) |
| 11:11.26 | Khertan | ZogG: but i think i ll change the ui with the qml switch |
| 11:11.32 | ZogG | ok |
| 11:11.39 | ZogG | Khertan, http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/5416637626_be571d26a0.jpg |
| 11:11.42 | ZogG | check this one |
| 11:11.44 | Khertan | will be a bit the same ... but better |
| 11:12.00 | Khertan | oh ... it s fullscreen |
| 11:12.15 | ZogG | that is new gpodder UI, NSFW as it's too sexy =) |
| 11:12.26 | Khertan | really not bad |
| 11:12.31 | ZogG | Khertan, wazd helped thp to do it |
| 11:12.48 | ZogG | Khertan, that's what i wanted to ask |
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| 11:13.14 | ZogG | it you do something like that you can put your own buttons between minimize and close |
| 11:13.18 | Khertan | hum ... git ... copu / paste |
| 11:13.21 | ZogG | it would be nice to have menu |
| 11:13.32 | Khertan | exactly what i think |
| 11:13.50 | ZogG | like hom/mentions/DMs/list |
| 11:13.56 | ZogG | home* |
| 11:14.10 | ZogG | like in android and other crappy phones clients =) |
| 11:14.15 | ZogG | but better |
| 11:14.19 | ZogG | as maemo ftw =) |
| 11:14.22 | Khertan | ZogG: i was thinking more of unified/home/dm/mentions/search/list |
| 11:14.38 | ZogG | what for unified? |
| 11:14.42 | ZogG | never got it |
| 11:14.48 | ZogG | search is nice |
| 11:14.58 | Khertan | ZogG: did you use chrome browser ? |
| 11:15.00 | ZogG | mentions should be second as it's more important |
| 11:15.09 | ZogG | Khertan, yes i do, so? |
| 11:15.17 | Khertan | try chromedbird extension |
| 11:15.46 | ZogG | i think i used it once |
| 11:15.50 | ZogG | i use hotot |
| 11:16.29 | ZogG | can you just explaine what for this unified thing? |
| 11:17.44 | Jaffa | Khertan: Trouble is I don't want to have to scroll through when catching up in the morning to see if I've got a mention. Having a combined timeline for during the day, but also a Blackberry-Twitter style alert/notification for DMs & mentions |
| 11:19.00 | ZogG | i think home is for who i follow(including mentions) |
| 11:19.16 | ZogG | mentions is for mentions also from people outside the following list |
| 11:19.35 | ZogG | and it's if i want to "chat" on twiiter |
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| 11:20.35 | ZogG | Khertan, as well it's interesting if it's possible to make auto nickname completion with qml =) for HW keyboard as it wouldn't work for virtual |
| 11:20.36 | Khertan | ZogG: Unified is home + dm + mentions |
| 11:20.41 | Khertan | +retweet |
| 11:20.52 | lardman | morning |
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| 11:21.08 | Khertan | Jaffa: Khertan: Trouble is I don't want to have to scroll through when catching up in the morning to see if I've got a mention. Having a combined timeline for during the day, but also a Blackberry-Twitter style alert/notification for DMs & mentions <<<- planned |
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| 11:21.24 | ZogG | Khertan, meh, it's useless to have everything when you can choose what you want; it's like in maemo msging system all ims and twitts and sms all together |
| 11:21.35 | ZogG | i prefer extra click than this mess |
| 11:21.37 | Khertan | Jaffa: with the qml ui, i ll demonoize the info retrieving |
| 11:21.43 | lardman | Jaffa: any mileage in grabbing the list of IPs from anonymous and non-anonymous wiki editors and trying to work out how many of the anonymous ones were actually members with logins who just weren't using them? |
| 11:22.12 | ZogG | Khertan anyway retwitted ( your by others ) doesn't work properly on twitter |
| 11:22.23 | Khertan | ZogG: yep i know |
| 11:23.09 | Khertan | ZogG: documentation say it should be in the unified api call |
| 11:23.11 | Khertan | but it s not |
| 11:23.16 | Khertan | but sometimes is |
| 11:23.16 | ZogG | Khertan, and it would be nice to have option to RT with comment, i mean yeah, it's cool RT @khertan http://awesomeurl.com |
| 11:23.26 | ZogG | "yeah, it's cool RT @khertan http://awesomeurl.com" |
| 11:23.29 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:23.45 | Khertan | ok ... i should made a roadmap :) |
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| 11:23.51 | Khertan | too many things to remember |
| 11:24.04 | ZogG | most of twitts i just retwiit with new retwit but some i want to comment =( |
| 11:24.53 | ZogG | Khertan i can help you with my ideas how i see it, but you don't have to take them all you know but anytime you want i'm here or there or on twiiter =) |
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| 11:25.51 | ZogG | Khertan as well as you can use main instead of home/unified and in option i choose if it would be home or unified =) |
| 11:27.14 | Jaffa | lardman: Given the state of the community, I dunno if the "easy entry" is still a requirement. But we might get an influx of new members if a) the N9 is awesome and loads of N900s go for sale; b) the N9 never gets released/doesn't meet ppl's requirements and there's suddenly a demand for N900s as the zenith ;-) |
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| 11:28.38 | ZogG | Jaffa meh noone would like n900 |
| 11:28.46 | ZogG | only those who got it and stick with it |
| 11:29.00 | ZogG | as i don't see meego on n900 coz of the old HW |
| 11:29.12 | akikhaw | i have to say that N900 is the kind of an phone that grows on you the more you use it |
| 11:29.27 | akikhaw | a casual, non techy user is probably going to sell it and buy something else |
| 11:29.51 | akikhaw | but for others.. it just becomes better and better all the time |
| 11:29.53 | ZogG | and it would be miracle if Nokia would succeed to promote N900 for developers when they failed once and aboded Os already |
| 11:30.12 | ZogG | akikhaw agreed |
| 11:30.38 | ZogG | i was so sorry for n900 after i saw cool androids but i played with android and n900 is much better again for me |
| 11:30.50 | ZogG | i just think the UI in android is much better |
| 11:31.02 | ThreeM | i loke the ui in maemo better :) |
| 11:31.03 | ZogG | it's more phone UI but the way they did it |
| 11:31.41 | ThreeM | fast, shot ways to do somethink, not so many menüs |
| 11:31.53 | ThreeM | i like it :) |
| 11:32.11 | ZogG | ThreeM, i mean not whole UI but small things, for e.g. portrait/landscape. the way you can change lockscreen, virtual keyboards |
| 11:32.12 | Jaffa | ZogG: Who said anything about N900s running MeeGo? If Nokia's MeeGo handsets aren't what people who've been holding off buying want, they might buy N900s instead |
| 11:32.38 | Jaffa | ZogG: Eh? you can change the lockscreen on Maemo; it's jut no-one does |
| 11:32.55 | ZogG | in maemo it was developed as one solution in android all those parts are like puzzle, you change this with that and you don't need to patch and change whole system |
| 11:33.15 | ZogG | Jaffa, MohammadAG is planing |
| 11:33.39 | ZogG | Jaffa, i just think the API of android as the system is more easy |
| 11:33.51 | ZogG | maybe i'm wrong as i'm total noob in it =) |
| 11:34.07 | ZogG | API /framework or what eever you call it |
| 11:34.23 | ThreeM | maemo has QT |
| 11:34.37 | ZogG | ThreeM, no it DOESN't |
| 11:34.42 | ThreeM | android can never has a better framework than that |
| 11:34.43 | ZogG | it has no QT |
| 11:35.15 | Jaffa | ZogG: MohammadAG is plan[n]ing? Planning what? |
| 11:35.20 | ZogG | ThreeM, 1st of all you misunderstand me, i'm not talking about apps, i'm talking about system |
| 11:35.33 | ZogG | Jaffa to make bubbles like in nokia lab for n900 |
| 11:35.43 | ThreeM | maemo has QT4.7 with PR 1.3 |
| 11:36.01 | ZogG | ThreeM, there is no such thing as QT4.7 |
| 11:36.01 | alterego | ChristanObject.connect(:God, :sign => Jesus.new2, :action => :repent) |
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| 11:36.13 | ZogG | ThreeM, it's Qt for god sakes |
| 11:36.22 | ZogG | Qt!Qt!Qt! |
| 11:36.29 | ZogG | QT is quicktime |
| 11:36.36 | alterego | I'm thinking of developing a religious programming language. |
| 11:36.52 | ZogG | ~google QT quick time |
| 11:38.03 | ZogG | ThreeM, and qt is something different at all, it's for application development or certain parts of UI but not UI itself as far as i understand |
| 11:38.49 | ThreeM | sure you can use QT to draw all the ui |
| 11:39.05 | ZogG | ThreeM, for example as we talked above, gpodder is rewritten with QML and use it's own system menu, but you can't easly change that as the system wide menu |
| 11:39.14 | ZogG | that's what i am talking about |
| 11:39.23 | ThreeM | ahh ok |
| 11:39.35 | ZogG | ThreeM, and it's Qt, maaaaan |
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| 11:40.51 | ZogG | ThreeM, http://extension.informer.com/qt/ |
| 11:41.53 | ZogG | alterego if you make difficult programming language person that uses it can became religion or atheist and swear you till rest of his life =) |
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| 11:43.22 | ZogG | lol |
| 11:43.37 | ZogG | meego for netbooks is dead =) |
| 11:43.47 | ZogG | http://www.linux-magazin.de/NEWS/Tschuess-Smeegol-Entwickler-stoppt-Meego-fuer-Opensuse |
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| 11:45.18 | ThreeM | cause of tablets |
| 11:45.21 | ThreeM | old news ;) |
| 11:45.52 | ZogG | ~ping |
| 11:45.52 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 11:46.51 | ZogG | http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/index.html |
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| 11:48.54 | mazingo | hey there |
| 11:49.01 | ZogG | Jaffa, http://newsflow.substanceofcode.com/ - you should add it to MWKN |
| 11:49.07 | mazingo | has anyone some info about the musb of the n900? |
| 11:49.14 | mazingo | I'm trying to test it |
| 11:49.26 | mazingo | with high bandwidth transfers but it seems impossible |
| 11:49.34 | Jaffa | ZogG: Did, weeks ago. |
| 11:49.52 | ZogG | Jaffa oh didn't saw it there, sorry =( |
| 11:55.25 | trx | can anyone tell me what "tr" does in this line : menu = menuBar()->addMenu(tr("MENU TITLE")); |
| 11:55.46 | phellarv | trx: Trunk? |
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| 11:56.05 | phellarv | is guessing |
| 11:56.09 | trx | trunk? |
| 11:56.23 | phellarv | I mean truncate |
| 11:57.06 | trx | so its a function that truncates the string? |
| 11:57.21 | trx | why would that be nessesary :/ |
| 11:57.29 | trx | doesnt know |
| 11:57.35 | phellarv | Dunno - As I said - I'm guessing |
| 11:57.40 | trx | yeah |
| 11:57.44 | trx | ty anyway |
| 11:57.53 | Jaffa | trx: Translate |
| 11:58.10 | Jaffa | trx: "MENU TITLE" will be a key into one of the translation bundles. |
| 11:58.13 | Jaffa | (again, guessing) |
| 11:58.25 | amigadave | trx: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qobject.html#tr translate, as Jaffa said |
| 11:58.29 | phellarv | Guesstimates |
| 11:58.33 | phellarv | ;-P |
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| 11:58.43 | trx | oh |
| 11:58.50 | trx | that makes sense :) |
| 11:58.55 | trx | thank you guys |
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| 12:20.03 | ZogG | ruskie, for now i did the app with control buttons only for xmms2 =) |
| 12:20.16 | ZogG | only play/stop/next/forward |
| 12:20.31 | ZogG | need to get a long with Qt as xmms2 api is pretty easy |
| 12:21.25 | ruskie | :) |
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| 12:40.34 | Khertan | is afraid by all stupid people saying that nokia should cancel meego and adopt WP7 or Android ... |
| 12:41.24 | SpeedEvil | They should ditch symbian, partner with sybian instead, and upgrade the vibrator motor. |
| 12:43.01 | Khertan | SpeedEvil: :) |
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| 12:44.59 | psycho_oreos | and that would make nokia awfully popular with female users :) |
| 12:45.50 | psycho_oreos | so much so that if people asked you which brand is your handset and you said nokia, they think you're being a poof ;) |
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| 13:09.24 | kerio | nokia *should* cancel meego |
| 13:09.28 | kerio | AND GIVE US A REAL UNIX SYSTEM |
| 13:09.36 | kerio | DEBIAN-BASED |
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| 13:11.34 | jonwil | wonders whether Nokia is going to come after him for using the header data in http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/icd2/policy__api_8h-source.html |
| 13:13.40 | pupnik | kerio: actually rpm no-longer sucks |
| 13:13.44 | Sicelo | agrees with kerio |
| 13:13.52 | kerio | pupnik: lies |
| 13:14.23 | pupnik | and apt itself isn't appropriate for a portable |
| 13:14.35 | kerio | it is :( |
| 13:14.37 | ruskie | how is yum any better? |
| 13:14.47 | user12 | afaik i last checked linux is not unix? |
| 13:14.48 | pupnik | it's inappropriate to rescan a huge database |
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| 13:15.16 | psycho_oreos | yum isn't any better, it's basically yellow dog linux's package management frontend :) |
| 13:15.16 | ruskie | from my own use... yum seems to be painfully slower than apt |
| 13:15.28 | psycho_oreos | they now recommend zypper however |
| 13:15.39 | ruskie | unless I'm missing on some special tricks to improve it |
| 13:16.20 | psycho_oreos | O |
| 13:16.23 | achipa | in either case, since dependencies are basically still uled out by the compliancy program, you don't really 'need' any of the advanced features of apt anyway :( |
| 13:17.02 | psycho_oreos | I've had my gripes with yum but that's because yum is heavily dependent on python (because the source code is essentially python). However zypper is written all in C/C++ |
| 13:17.20 | ruskie | hmm can one use zypper as a drop in? |
| 13:17.36 | psycho_oreos | not sure |
| 13:18.01 | pupnik | android packages install quickly |
| 13:18.04 | ruskie | have two fedora systems @home that I would love to swap out yum with zypper |
| 13:18.30 | pupnik | if meego package installation is slower than android, then it's a failure |
| 13:18.33 | psycho_oreos | android has their own fancy package based management system, like iphones |
| 13:18.40 | pupnik | so use it |
| 13:18.41 | flux | someone(TM) should write a sqlite-backend for dpkg |
| 13:19.09 | flux | and apt, while at it |
| 13:19.27 | pupnik | sounds good flux |
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| 13:22.18 | Venemo | hey guys |
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| 13:25.10 | Venemo | good afternoon achipa |
| 13:26.19 | Venemo | achipa: success! :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69454 |
| 13:27.43 | pupnik | i'm surprised the chinese didn't get it together to make a maemo phone |
| 13:28.16 | pupnik | should be reassuring to Nokia |
| 13:30.24 | psycho_oreos | what do you mean? there's n900 clones around |
| 13:31.38 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, running maemo? |
| 13:31.41 | Venemo | psycho_oreos: but they're not running Maemo. |
| 13:32.26 | psycho_oreos | they claim to run maemo |
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| 13:32.35 | Venemo | psycho_oreos: interesting |
| 13:32.43 | psycho_oreos | yeah probably symbian knockoffs |
| 13:32.53 | HtheB | yo :p |
| 13:33.00 | achipa | Venemo: congrats |
| 13:33.19 | Venemo | psycho_oreos: well then we know where do the 'N900s' come about which the guys are whining on TMO |
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| 13:34.32 | psycho_oreos | Venemo, probably not lol :) like I said the chinese clones claim it runs on maemo but I bet it's just maemo UI minus terminal and other things like TV receiver added |
| 13:34.37 | Venemo | achipa: it wasn't very difficult, only some stuff about packaging |
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| 13:36.32 | Venemo | achipa: and of course #if QT_VERSION >= blah-blah |
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| 13:39.56 | sandst1 | wow. In terms of UI experience it's quite close to 5800Xm http://vodpod.com/watch/5085281-nokia-n900-clone |
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| 13:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | user12: last time I checked, andridiot wasn't even linux. So usually linux feels just sysV'ish enough to me |
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| 13:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | and I don't give a fart about what package manager is used |
| 13:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | I mean we had HAM, how's that going to get worse? |
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| 13:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | user12: btw to stay PC: it's GNU-linux, and GNU is Not Unix. So thanks for the clarification, Cpt. Obvious |
| 13:46.48 | user12 | np. glad you liked. |
| 13:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | I have a special shelp where I collect those :-D |
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| 13:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | shelf |
| 13:48.04 | RST38h | You collect Cpt Obvious badges? |
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| 13:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | nah, "Linux is not Unix" statements |
| 13:49.24 | RST38h | yea, Linux is not real Unix |
| 13:49.35 | RST38h | Toy Unix, at most =) |
| 13:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | I have several glasses with screw-on lid there, that hold just one week each with up to 57 such statements |
| 13:50.47 | ruskie | lol |
| 13:51.00 | ruskie | consider Linux never was Unix and nobody made a claim to such... |
| 13:51.28 | Veggen | I use to add: "but for most practical purposes, it's indistinguishable from it" |
| 13:51.32 | user12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Linux |
| 13:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such ting like THE Unix |
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| 13:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | Linux is as much a POSIX conforming *nix as many of the so called 'real Unix'' and there's been all kinds of SysV and BSD distris since decades, and it's really hard to agree on any definition about what's a real Unix and what's not |
| 14:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | when it comes to mere portability, Linux for sure is way better than some weired dinosaurs out there. HPUX might be a bad example |
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| 14:07.25 | user12 | i have liked hpux, it's quite good. |
| 14:07.58 | user12 | i used it over ten years almost daily. |
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| 14:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | that's not the point though. Is it a REAL unix? Why? And why linix is NOT then? |
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| 14:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | claiming linux is no real unix is kinda like saying DrDOS is no real DOS |
| 14:13.06 | user12 | hpux compared e.g. to a ubuntu? I am not sure but i believe that ubuntu is not posix compliant. |
| 14:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | says who? |
| 14:13.38 | user12 | i don't know mr who |
| 14:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | Dr Who please :-D |
| 14:13.57 | user12 | :) |
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| 14:14.30 | jacekowski | linux is a real unix |
| 14:14.52 | user12 | gnu is not unix |
| 14:15.05 | user12 | it's a unix like |
| 14:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | by whatever def of "ral unix" - yes it is |
| 14:15.08 | jacekowski | it's just that it has no common codebase |
| 14:15.29 | jacekowski | but it's as much unix as any other unixes |
| 14:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 14:16.00 | user12 | then it should register as posix compliant, which it has not done. |
| 14:16.09 | jacekowski | no |
| 14:16.12 | user12 | yes |
| 14:16.28 | jacekowski | to register as posix compliant you would have to register every single version |
| 14:16.36 | jacekowski | and there is too many of them |
| 14:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | user12: I bet you're free to do that, for the distri of your dreams |
| 14:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | NB POSIX is NOT unix either |
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| 14:17.45 | ThreeM | it doesen't matter how we are linux call. linux or unix... senseless discussion |
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| 14:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | I.E: afaik even winNT is kinda posix compatible :-P |
| 14:17.52 | user12 | yep |
| 14:17.59 | jacekowski | user12: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base |
| 14:18.15 | user12 | i wonder why it is just enough that Linux is Linux (c) |
| 14:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | while I doubt HPUX is |
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| 14:19.44 | Dado7 | hi people |
| 14:19.45 | Dado7 | good days |
| 14:19.54 | Dado7 | some people know this new? http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/02/0...s-meego-maemo/ app android run in n900 |
| 14:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | anyway last time I checked I found the friggin lot of (1p) (3p) etc in linux manpages |
| 14:20.43 | user12 | posix is actually "portable operating system interface (for unix)" if Linux doesn't want to conforn that it's ok by me. |
| 14:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | and it's rare linux doesn't comply 100% with one of those |
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| 14:21.37 | user12 | problem should not be that "there is so many of linuxes" that it is difficult to conform posix |
| 14:22.07 | user12 | i think even some doses and nt conforms it + osx ofc |
| 14:22.26 | user12 | but it really does not matter. |
| 14:22.29 | Jaffa | Dado7: Yes, old news ;-) |
| 14:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | Though POSIX initially defined some unix system call conventions, it's nowadays way more and beyond, and applicable to OS that for sure are NOT unixoid. So I wonder what POSIX conformity got to do with definition of "real unix" |
| 14:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | Win7 fully compliant to POSIX via compatibility feature - so is Win7 a true unix now? :-P |
| 14:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#Compliant_via_compatibility_feature |
| 14:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | the simple fact: there is no such thing like THE TRUE UNIX. |
| 14:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | OS-A might be 70% SUS compliant (add list of conflicts here), plus 98% POSIX compliant (add another list), and 100% src portable to OS-B and OS-C, where OS-B maybe is a "real unix" by any arbitrary definition someone likes to apply |
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| 14:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, s/100%/99.8%/ |
| 14:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | while OS-B and OS-D are a PITA to port src, though both claim to be "real UNIX" |
| 14:34.01 | anidel_ | as far as I know , real Unix only come with a Unix Trademark (like Mac OS X)... |
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| 14:34.14 | anidel_ | but for me, they all are... |
| 14:34.40 | jacekowski | user12: posix requires pretty much nothing to conform |
| 14:34.46 | jacekowski | user12: it's couple basic system calls |
| 14:34.49 | RST38h | I have seen real Unix sold for about $15, suitable for drying laundry in tight spaces |
| 14:34.59 | jacekowski | user12: that's why posix is useless |
| 14:35.08 | jacekowski | windows conforms |
| 14:35.11 | jacekowski | bsd conforms |
| 14:35.13 | user12 | and some unices cost more than a house and is rock solid |
| 14:35.15 | jacekowski | osx conforms |
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| 14:35.27 | jacekowski | but try to port app from one to another |
| 14:35.35 | jacekowski | more complicated app using graphic stuff |
| 14:36.30 | user12 | you mean like posix/x11 app? |
| 14:36.43 | jacekowski | yes |
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| 14:36.55 | user12 | afaik qt was first ported on symbian using posix like lib |
| 14:37.25 | jacekowski | there was company that linux fully certified that it conforms to sus and posix |
| 14:37.28 | jacekowski | but nobody cared |
| 14:37.35 | chx | what if feb11 is a super Linux OS running Dalvin and Symbian VMs? |
| 14:37.40 | chx | *Dalvik |
| 14:37.43 | user12 | yep, not even thy |
| 14:37.47 | RST38h | Ahhahaha: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/10/amazon-app-released-for-the-newest-windows-phone-7-models/ |
| 14:37.53 | jacekowski | chx: / |
| 14:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | hah, 1999 when I worked for Siemens, I tried to compile nedit for their crippled unix flavour. The c compiler blew chunks on help strings defines in text hardcoded, that were multiple lines and >64k :-P |
| 14:38.22 | jacekowski | chx: ? |
| 14:38.39 | chx | just thinking aloud |
| 14:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it was a "real unix" |
| 14:38.56 | RST38h | don't pay attention he is being delusional |
| 14:39.01 | derf | Well, technically that's far more than C is required to support. |
| 14:39.04 | user12 | do you know how many MS engineers are needed to change a burned light bulb ? |
| 14:39.06 | derf | POSIX or not. |
| 14:39.22 | RST38h | 1999 C, you mean |
| 14:39.59 | chx | WAIT. |
| 14:40.01 | chx | http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=1256034&srchIndex=31&trk=njsrch_hits&goback=.fjs_nokia_*1_*1_Y_*1_*1_*1_4_R_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2 |
| 14:40.09 | chx | Microsoft and Nokia have formed a global alliance to design, develop and market mobile productivity, communications and collaboration solutions. |
| 14:40.10 | chx | shit! |
| 14:40.27 | RST38h | He will become more delusional right about now. |
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| 14:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | chx: WAKE UP IT'S A DRAM!!! |
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| 14:40.58 | chx | DocScrutinizer: lol |
| 14:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | DREAM* |
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| 14:41.20 | chx | it was better with DRAM. |
| 14:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moin |
| 14:41.27 | chx | it's ephemeral enough :) |
| 14:41.28 | RST38h | well, moo javispedro |
| 14:42.23 | javispedro | morning |
| 14:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | chx: >>These solutions will be available for a broad range of Nokia smartphones starting with the companyâs business optimized range, Nokia E series. Over 50 Nokia devices today have Exchange ActiveSync capabilities and several models have Communicator Mobile (for OCS) capabilities developed by Microsoft engineers on the Nokia platform....<< So what? |
| 14:44.02 | derf | RST38h: Microsoft still doesn't even support 1999 C. |
| 14:44.09 | chx | DocScrutinizer: is that the end of MS-Nokia? Nokia doing WM7 would be a nightmare. |
| 14:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | chx: Novel and M$ also have a partnership. That doesn't mean OpenSuse is a windows in disguise now |
| 14:45.10 | hardaker | No, the partnership means MS will now switch to using linux and Qt. |
| 14:45.14 | javispedro | in fact Nokia and M$ _already_ have a partnership. |
| 14:45.30 | javispedro | and I'm yet to see Bill Gates having written Hildon Microsoft Office. |
| 14:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 14:46.10 | psycho_oreos | would sir like bloat with that |
| 14:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | hands chx a cup of very strong, hot, black coffee |
| 14:46.27 | psycho_oreos | then points to OpenOffice running on n900 |
| 14:47.02 | chx | Right now, unless Nokia pulls a freakin miracle tomorrow i will go HP Vero and hope for a quick rooting and debian chroot. |
| 14:47.19 | javispedro | chx: pre's don't need rooting. |
| 14:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* |
| 14:47.23 | javispedro | s/pre's/pres |
| 14:47.41 | chx | javispedro: so far |
| 14:48.01 | javispedro | changing that would be like if Nokia were to change that |
| 14:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | that's suicide in fear of death |
| 14:48.10 | javispedro | massive riots |
| 14:48.16 | javispedro | cats and dogs living together |
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| 14:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | (going pre when Nokia doesn't come up with alternatives for meego) |
| 14:49.15 | dado7 | [Away] demasiado autismo -autoaway, 15 mins- (Log:Pager) desde el 10 Feb 15:49:16 |
| 14:49.31 | javispedro | so what good did came from the previous nokia-microsoft partnertship? |
| 14:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | dado7: fix that!! |
| 14:49.42 | javispedro | something about crappy exchange support in e series? |
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| 14:51.13 | javispedro | and, if the rumours are to be believed (which I doubt), what they're going to say on friday? "Hey guys, we're re-partnering with Bill Gates. So far our partnership produced nothing save for crap, but this time, it'll will be different!" |
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| 14:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
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| 14:53.02 | dado7 | He regresado! (demasiado autismo -autoaway, 15 mins-) (Away: 3m48s) desde el 10 Feb 15:49:16 |
| 14:53.23 | chx | dado7: remove your autoaway script you are spamming the channel |
| 14:53.29 | chx | hey the exchange support in the e series work to some degree. |
| 14:53.29 | dado7 | okey |
| 14:53.30 | dado7 | sorry |
| 14:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | "M$ will use Nokia HW from now on, as they think they can't get it done in their own labs"? or "Nokia will switch to winMo now, just to compensate for the diversity we already have, with sybian, maemo, meego"? |
| 14:54.43 | chx | This relaly needs to be Symbian compatible, a number of businesses have custom Symbian apps |
| 14:55.00 | chx | and i mean , that's pretty much the reason the Symbian platform stayed alive if i get what happened |
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| 14:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | dado7: we're not really interested if you're away or not |
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| 14:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | dado7: nobody expects you're sitting at terminal 24/7 |
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| 15:15.16 | Khertan | It s funny noone talk about using WebOS instead of MeeGo :) |
| 15:15.34 | javispedro | Khertan: that's, ironically, because you're not on #meego |
| 15:15.48 | javispedro | where I just inadvertently introduced the topic. |
| 15:16.09 | Khertan | hihi |
| 15:16.10 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:16.21 | pupnik | i'm happy DocScrutinizer recognized that Japan song |
| 15:16.44 | Khertan | it ll made the link with Ari Jaaksi |
| 15:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | japan, dude. One of my favourites |
| 15:17.39 | pupnik | cool |
| 15:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's been 2 japan recors plus 3 sisters of mercy records that were all I needed on mp3 (rsp flac) for 4 years |
| 15:21.24 | pupnik | Richard Barbieri made beautiful use of the Oberheim synthesizers on 'Ghosts' and 'The Experience of Swimming' |
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| 15:22.12 | pupnik | Between midnight and 7 AM I recorded in a studio Sylvian was using during the day. :) |
| 15:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 15:22.43 | pupnik | located in a giant, abandoned brewery |
| 15:22.47 | pupnik | pretty surreal |
| 15:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's just OK for a studio |
| 15:24.05 | DocScrutinizer | Einstuerzende Neubauten had a practicing room *inside* a highway bridge (the road was the room's ceiling) |
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| 15:28.52 | pupnik | hah |
| 15:28.52 | Sicelo | ~fud |
| 15:28.52 | infobot | somebody said fud was Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
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| 15:29.15 | pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Barbieri some more of Jansen, Barbieri and Karn's stuff is listed here DocScrutinizer - worth a listen imo |
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| 15:31.25 | Azog | hi, i am trying to get usb0 working with dhcp, so i put "iface usb0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, unfortunately i geht the error: don't seem to have all the variables for usb0/inet. is there a workaround? |
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| 15:35.07 | pupnik | did you add the hostname / IP address of your dhcp server Azog ? |
| 15:35.33 | Azog | pupnik: no |
| 15:35.44 | Azog | with eth0 it works without |
| 15:36.13 | pupnik | hmm i'm thinking of the wrong thing maybe |
| 15:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: HAH! >During this time he worked alongside such other innovators as... Robert Fripp" |
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| 15:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | inevitable |
| 15:37.09 | pupnik | :D |
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| 15:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | KC, my roots (along with FZ) |
| 15:38.09 | Khertan | DocScrutinizer: about Einstuerzende Neubauten << now i understand where there music come from ... :) |
| 15:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 15:38.20 | pupnik | you can hear fripp and jon hassell on silvian's solo work - used to great effect |
| 15:38.24 | Azog | pupnik: i thought the advantage of dhcp is, that one has to specify nothing *g* |
| 15:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | jon hassell, another good one |
| 15:39.12 | pupnik | yeah i'd forgotten Azog |
| 15:39.50 | pupnik | wow DocScrutinizer, respect |
| 15:40.22 | pupnik | "mastering obscure... alternatives" |
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| 15:48.57 | qpdb | hello. i'm unable to connect to wpa/wpa2 wireless networks.. if i change my router to use WEP it works fine. |
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| 15:49.44 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 15:49.48 | SpeedEvil | Works for me. |
| 15:50.02 | SpeedEvil | TKIP or what? |
| 15:50.42 | qpdb | it worked for me too, for a long time.. but since some days it doesnt anymore.. i tried tkip as well as aes |
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| 16:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, I see "no route to host" when pinging my N900 since I switched to WPA - prolly unrelated |
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| 16:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | also now see lags of up to 120s(!!) on pressing first keystroke on a idle ssh session into N900 |
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| 16:09.48 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: you're using wireless power-saving right? |
| 16:09.54 | BCMM_ | (and your router does it wrong?) |
| 16:10.00 | javispedro | routers suck. |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | err for WPA now yup I do |
| 16:10.12 | BCMM_ | javispedro: mostly, yeah |
| 16:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check |
| 16:10.30 | BCMM_ | when power saving works right, it's totally cool though |
| 16:10.46 | BCMM_ | the way the n900 will sit idle on the net for *days*, on battery |
| 16:10.50 | javispedro | Can you even buy a gigabit router these days for less than $100 and that doesn't require an extra power supply |
| 16:10.54 | javispedro | ? |
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| 16:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | yap, MAX PSM |
| 16:11.44 | BCMM_ | yeah sounds like your router sucks |
| 16:11.50 | BCMM_ | i had one with the same problem |
| 16:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart the designer who decided to hide this global setting in "advanced" of a connection |
| 16:12.07 | infobot | slams the designer who decided to hide this global setting in "advanced" of a connection against a large cement Tux |
| 16:12.47 | BCMM_ | but it's a setting you'll never really want to use unless you have a buggy router |
| 16:12.58 | BCMM_ | they probably didn't realise how many routers are buggy. |
| 16:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | changed to "none" - let's watch that shite for another 5 days |
| 16:13.47 | BCMM_ | i mean, it wouldn't be a problem if the router didn't support PSM |
| 16:14.11 | BCMM_ | it's only a problem when it features an implementation, but that implementation is broken |
| 16:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | d-link DIR-615 - anybody? |
| 16:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | (in AP mode) |
| 16:15.12 | BCMM_ | best to disable it in the router's settings, if it doesn't actually work |
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| 16:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | Firmware-Version : 4.10 , Thu 22 Jan 2009 |
| 16:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | GNU GPL included with manual |
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| 16:17.33 | tripzero | luls... love the topic |
| 16:17.47 | tripzero | libqtm-12-declarative = most useless package ever |
| 16:18.32 | tripzero | it doesn't even install the declarative plugin :( |
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| 16:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | nm, should update AP FW first, then start bitching |
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| 16:24.04 | hardaker | I just saw a leaked document from Nokia |
| 16:24.15 | hardaker | They explained their alliance with MS |
| 16:24.33 | hardaker | M$ has ported Win7 to the N900. The April update will include it. |
| 16:24.33 | tripzero | doesn't want to hear it |
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| 16:24.47 | tripzero | hardaker, stop |
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| 16:26.07 | tripzero | upgrades router |
| 16:26.23 | BCMM_ | I just saw a leaked USAF document revealing that Nokia's next smartphone will have reverse-engineered alien tech from a UFO. Also, it specifically says that hardaker is wrong. |
| 16:26.40 | tripzero | BCMM_, +1 |
| 16:27.47 | hardaker | heh. |
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| 16:31.05 | smhar_ | I gave up trying to free more space in my N900's rootfs to upgrade to PR1.3 . I am considering now Backing up my data and factory reset the N00 and starting fresh. probably a good thing to do after all the time I spend with the different repositories. My question is: what to files/directories backup? |
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| 16:32.41 | hardaker | smhar_: the default backup application gets 99% of the important stuff. |
| 16:32.44 | BCMM_ | smhar_: why factory reset? just flash 1.3, it'll overwrite everything |
| 16:33.24 | hardaker | the things I'd consider keeping would be the /etc directory if you've modified anything, and the keysym file if you've modified your keymap. |
| 16:33.28 | BCMM_ | smhar_: depends what you've modified. have you manually added anything to ~/ or system directories like /etc/? |
| 16:33.43 | hardaker | but yes, just flash.. you don't need to "reset" |
| 16:33.54 | smhar_ | BCMM_, done only a OTA before, I will read about flashing too |
| 16:33.56 | BCMM_ | i really wouldn't keep the entire /etc/ directory; i'm sure they'll be some differences in 1.3 |
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| 16:34.23 | hardaker | smhar_: I don't think I've ever done OTA because I *never* have enough room on / |
| 16:34.25 | smhar_ | BCMM_, nothing special |
| 16:34.45 | hardaker | BCMM_: copying it somewhere until you know is what I meant, not necessarily a permenant archive. |
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| 16:35.02 | hardaker | I always end up needing to do something with /etc/ssh afterward |
| 16:35.11 | BCMM_ | smhar_: btw, in theory, your MyDocs shouldn't be affected by reflashing |
| 16:35.38 | BCMM_ | smhar_: of course, you should backup anything important anyway, as with any OS update on any platform |
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| 17:09.04 | crashanddie | hardaker, gtfo with you stupid claims? |
| 17:09.25 | hardaker | gtfo? |
| 17:09.36 | hardaker | (I'm guessing at the f :-) |
| 17:09.42 | hardaker | ohh... out. |
| 17:09.49 | hardaker | that was the word I couldn't get. |
| 17:09.51 | hardaker | got it. |
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| 17:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | I never touched /etc/ssh |
| 17:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | hi crashanddie |
| 17:18.51 | crashanddie | yo |
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| 17:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | duh, thought I missed something funny while offline, but nope... |
| 17:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | aah, crashanddie responded to the April PR pun |
| 17:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, see /topic |
| 17:23.32 | crashanddie | well, that's why I told him to gtfo |
| 17:23.37 | crashanddie | it's in the topic, thus bannable |
| 17:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, got it |
| 17:24.09 | _berto_ | 7:30 am ?? |
| 17:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just happy when it's Friday evening |
| 17:24.20 | _berto_ | http://twitter.com/#!/nokia/status/35748280100982785 |
| 17:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | eh? twitter URL without further notice? Looks like SPAM to me |
| 17:25.27 | _berto_ | DocScrutinizer: it is, don't open it |
| 17:25.31 | _berto_ | ;-) |
| 17:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, do you try to earn a ban, a kick, or just a +q? |
| 17:26.00 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.30 | Proteous | ban the witch! |
| 17:26.37 | Proteous | he turned me into a newt! |
| 17:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | (btw I*never* open random URLs) |
| 17:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | esp not when they start as scary as http://twitter |
| 17:27.57 | _berto_ | DocScrutinizer: even when they're from the nokia account and you're in the #maemo channel? |
| 17:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | even then. How should I know about any fsckng account on a page I refuse to open? |
| 17:28.48 | _berto_ | fair enough, it might even be a virus :-) |
| 17:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | it usually IS a virus |
| 17:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm not going to open any random URL to see why the FSCK somebody posted it to IRC |
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| 17:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | if you CBA to comment what it is, how can I bother to check what it actually is? |
| 17:31.06 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, in _berto_'s defence, "Nokia" was in the URL? |
| 17:31.43 | SpeedEvil | And twitter ... / nokia/ means that the account name is nokia |
| 17:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I get mails with URLs like that every day a dozen: http://fslkhdhs.ru/DeutscheBank/login |
| 17:32.00 | Proteous | _berto_: the correct way to paste in a link is something like, "free c3al1s v14gr4 www.tinyurl.com/39&89" |
| 17:32.08 | _berto_ | Proteous: indeed |
| 17:32.11 | crashanddie | But then again, so is this: http://lemonparty.org/?article=Apple-Jobs-To-Buy-Nokia |
| 17:32.15 | crashanddie | (NSFW) |
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| 17:33.59 | ieatlint | heh, next post the goatse article on it |
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| 17:38.25 | javispedro | bash: bash: Success |
| 17:38.30 | javispedro | sighs |
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| 18:56.02 | pupnik | hah |
| 18:56.10 | pupnik | did get rather quiet didn't it |
| 18:56.19 | RST38h | Was pretty lively today |
| 18:56.45 | RST38h | also lots of analyst lemmings at #meego providing Nokia with free analyticaladvice |
| 18:58.45 | andre__ | hehe, what a perfect wording for this |
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| 19:02.38 | ieatlint | nokia's just in a fucked situation... they're screwed with meego, they're screwed with abandoning meego |
| 19:02.59 | pupnik | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/how-one-security-firm-tracked-anonymousand-paid-a-heavy-price.ars |
| 19:03.02 | pupnik | baahaha |
| 19:03.03 | RST38h | Well, they have dug this ditch by themselves |
| 19:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: luke-jr, whom-it-may-concern: ISI specs actually mention how to talk GPS and even AGPS to cmt, it's called Modem LCS (Location Server) there. ((actually Mickey found this, so credit goes to him)) |
| 19:03.07 | ieatlint | they just better make damn sure if they switch to MS software that it doesn't just die off too |
| 19:03.20 | ieatlint | android is the safer choice :P |
| 19:03.32 | ieatlint | but either way, they're fucking themselves over with qt |
| 19:04.03 | ieatlint | they should've just bought palm last year... webos is at least viable in the short term |
| 19:04.16 | ieatlint | and had a huge dev community |
| 19:04.29 | pupnik | did anyone ever figure out a low-cpu speaker protection thingy? |
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| 19:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | mickey claims he found quite some non-specs conforming implementation details in N900 RAPUYAMA BB5 cmt, so while the LCS cmds might be ok, the data structures might differ and need some work |
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| 19:05.13 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: pretty sure there were no such specs when I reverse engineered it |
| 19:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I guess mickey is using latest release, which iirc is of january |
| 19:06.11 | RST38h | pupnik: The Barr guy did notgetthe point? =) |
| 19:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | How the hell do I get an FLV out of a Flip video share. . . . |
| 19:06.19 | kwtm | ieatlint: Sounds like you're saying that my N900 might be the last of a breed, and don't expect any new wonders from Nokia any time soon? |
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| 19:06.38 | ieatlint | kwtm: wtf do i know, i'm just a random dude on irc.. |
| 19:07.02 | RST38h | ieatlint: Thank you for providing your strategic advice to Nokia! |
| 19:07.07 | ieatlint | reuters says the n9 has been cancelled... but they themselves call it rumour, citing two unnamed nokia sources |
| 19:07.13 | ieatlint | RST38h: np |
| 19:07.25 | kwtm | ieatlint: Some random dudes on irc are worth paying attention to. :) |
| 19:07.26 | ieatlint | the two nokia employees standing 10 feet from me are talking about selling stock |
| 19:07.49 | ieatlint | actually, i lied, they're sitting |
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| 19:08.09 | kwtm | ieatlint: Good F Grief, I better treat the keyboard and the USB port on my N900 *very* nicely if I want it to last the next 10 years before someone else comes out with a Linux phone... |
| 19:08.11 | RST38h | tell us when they lie down and take the pills |
| 19:08.16 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 19:08.28 | SpeedEvil | Let us all buy the stock, and MAKE them do harmattan properly! |
| 19:08.37 | pupnik | kwtm: i wore through my keyboard in 5 months :) |
| 19:08.38 | ieatlint | kwtm: don't worry, the cpu and battery will die well before the keyboard |
| 19:08.49 | RST38h | In the meanwhile, http://godheadv.blogspot.com/2010/04/abandoned-on-everest.html |
| 19:08.52 | ieatlint | oh, and the usb connector :P |
| 19:09.10 | alterego | They said a candidate prototype that was going to be the N9 got scrapped |
| 19:09.18 | alterego | Not exactly the same thing. |
| 19:09.27 | SpeedEvil | 40 billion / 445 people = 90 million or so. |
| 19:09.35 | SpeedEvil | I'm in - anyone else? |
| 19:09.38 | ieatlint | alterego: heh, if it just happened, then it is |
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| 19:09.47 | ieatlint | the n9 will be something else, and delayed by another 6+ months |
| 19:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: g2, i_modem_lcs_fp.pdf |
| 19:10.01 | ieatlint | and if nokia can't get a meego phone out until the end of the year.... heh |
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| 19:10.42 | kwtm | ieatlint: I don't get Nokia ... is this an internal power struggle? "Let's make Maemo!" "No, let |
| 19:10.57 | kwtm | ieatlint: I don't get Nokia ... is this an internal power struggle? "Let's make Maemo!" "No, let's make Meego!" "No, the N9 will be a Symbian based phone!" Geez.... |
| 19:11.17 | ieatlint | kwtm: *if* the rumours prove true, it's more a shakeup it seems... hire an outsider CEO who changes a bunch of shit |
| 19:11.28 | ieatlint | lest they go the way of yahoo.. |
| 19:11.32 | pupnik | cool RST38h |
| 19:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: <mickey|bbl> i have found significant differences between the documented subsystems and the actual implementation in N900 <mickey|bbl> so although the basic interaction is documented, the data structure might need work |
| 19:11.47 | RST38h | pupnik: I knew you would like that morbid crap |
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| 19:12.08 | pupnik | i didn't know it was so deadly |
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| 19:12.41 | ieatlint | i know that tomorrow's announcement will not include an abandonment of qt at least |
| 19:13.05 | SpeedEvil | I bet it's an announcement that they are going to be releasing some W7 models. |
| 19:13.26 | ieatlint | is there any reason to believe W7 other than the ceo is from MS? |
| 19:13.41 | SpeedEvil | I will in fact go so far as to put down as a bet this 38g lump of corned beef. |
| 19:14.01 | piggz | so, has everyone given up hope without waiting for th announcement? |
| 19:14.23 | ieatlint | i'll bet this half cup of coffee that part the announcement will be related to the n8 |
| 19:14.29 | SpeedEvil | It's unlikely to be Ios, android IMO. |
| 19:14.44 | ieatlint | definitely not iphone... apple would never do that |
| 19:15.05 | SpeedEvil | http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5131/cameras/72157622207392889_graph_model_users_afa437ff78.png |
| 19:15.09 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 19:16.01 | ieatlint | windows 7 is .net based, unproven, requires licencing, has tiny app base .... android is java based (not any better, maybe worse), free licencing, large app base, and is a word that in itself is a selling point... |
| 19:16.31 | ieatlint | so yeah, based on nokia's past decisions, it'll be the less viable option |
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| 19:16.57 | SpeedEvil | I think they're going to try to use W7 as a fill-in till meego is ready. |
| 19:16.59 | ieatlint | (that is, welcome back Qtopia!) |
| 19:17.10 | Arkenoi | i've heared some guys ported dalvik to meego, so why abandon it at all to run andrioid software if you can use best of both worlds? |
| 19:17.21 | SpeedEvil | I'm of course utterly pulling this out of my arse. |
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| 19:17.27 | Arkenoi | nokia could just buy out that company |
| 19:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (40 billion) wait until tomorrow, will get muuuuch cheaper :-P |
| 19:17.39 | MohammadAG | sometimes, you just have to move on |
| 19:17.45 | MohammadAG | bought my dad an iPhone 4 |
| 19:17.48 | wmarone | SpeedEvil: you are now qualified to be a financial analyst |
| 19:18.30 | SpeedEvil | wmarone: Well - I just spent half an hour looking through regulations, in order to find out that the government had not been mis-rounding a payment to me down by 10p. |
| 19:18.48 | SpeedEvil | Which is one of the less productive things I've done today. |
| 19:19.09 | ieatlint | could be worse... i've been sitting in a qscript presentation for the last hour |
| 19:19.17 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 19:20.03 | ieatlint | is in a "cover 90% of qt" session this week |
| 19:20.10 | ieatlint | 8h/day of slides :( |
| 19:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 19:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: condolences - qt is going to die when Nokia is switching to redmonf universe :-P |
| 19:21.34 | RST38h | they will port qt to .net! |
| 19:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | err, qscript, wait What? |
| 19:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | WTF qscript? |
| 19:21.57 | ieatlint | soon i'll be like one of those guys who says "i know fortran" or "i know cobol" |
| 19:22.07 | MohammadAG | when's MWC again? |
| 19:22.08 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: hence the reason i'm not paying attention right now |
| 19:22.13 | ieatlint | MohammadAG: monday |
| 19:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: don't call names on me, I LOVE COBOL |
| 19:22.42 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: and it's so useful... |
| 19:22.55 | ieatlint | it's like me knowing a bit of EFL... "that's cool .. i guess" |
| 19:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | sure, check the SORT command with all its parameters. Unique in whole IT |
| 19:23.39 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, 13/14th |
| 19:23.43 | RST38h | likes the positive mood at this channel |
| 19:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | I bet there's no other coding lang that can sortmerge 2 sets of 5 trillion records each, in less lines of sourcecode and better optimized |
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| 19:24.33 | kwtm | ieatlint: What do you do? Are you at Nokia? Wait, no you're at a conference --that's why there are two Nokia bodies near you. Do you make software for a living, then? |
| 19:24.37 | GAN900 | My September proto is now getting cellular interference on its own speakers. . . . |
| 19:24.42 | RST38h | If we are lucky, dear punks, Nokia wil produce a handful of WP7 handsets for the US market, they will tank, things will get back to Symbian, Meego in the sky, and loathing at the ground. |
| 19:25.08 | ieatlint | kwtm: i bitch and whine. i'm not at nokia, nor a conference... there happen to be two nokia employees at this session as well. i do software, yes |
| 19:25.12 | javispedro | and if we aren't ? |
| 19:25.16 | RST38h | If we are unlucky, the whole Nokia will tank. |
| 19:25.23 | derf | If we're lucky, we'll all buy Android phones and like it. |
| 19:25.28 | kerio | :( |
| 19:25.30 | kerio | i don't like android! |
| 19:25.34 | pupnik | but i don't like android |
| 19:25.34 | RST38h | derf: I am considering it |
| 19:25.37 | derf | Yes, that's because you're unlucky. |
| 19:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: HEH! BUZZ issue - muhahaha, that'S (C) FR |
| 19:26.04 | RST38h | derf: But the thing is surprisingly immature at the closer sight |
| 19:26.11 | derf | RST38h: I am not surprised. |
| 19:26.13 | wmarone | Android: how to sucker people into stopping work on actual open source projects |
| 19:26.14 | RST38h | derf: Did not expect it not to have a decent Xvid player. |
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| 19:27.07 | RST38h | derf:Still, it is probably Streak2 or something similar for me, eventually |
| 19:28.04 | GeneralAntilles | wmarone: that's why Android is so much more evil than iOS can ever be. |
| 19:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: +1 |
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| 19:28.46 | derf | GeneralAntilles: Sadly, that's not entirely true. |
| 19:29.13 | RST38h | it is disturbing to see you rate software in terms of good and evil... |
| 19:29.14 | derf | There's a whole generation of programmers who _would_ have gone into open source who now think they can "monetize" their work in an App Store. |
| 19:29.35 | RST38h | I mean, it is just a bunch of code... |
| 19:30.09 | RST38h | derf;: and no, can't monetize much via the app store, it is about as solid as "american dream" |
| 19:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | derf: yes, but Android is undermining half the existing open source community. |
| 19:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: nah, we're talking ecosystems here, or call it paradigm if you like that better |
| 19:30.39 | derf | RST38h: I know that, and you know that, but they don't. |
| 19:30.56 | RST38h | poor lemmings, they will learn |
| 19:31.07 | derf | But it's training them to think giving away source code is "stupid". |
| 19:31.28 | RST38h | you want their source? |
| 19:31.46 | RST38h | in java, with google extensions? |
| 19:31.53 | derf | I don't want to be doing this forever. |
| 19:32.01 | SpeedEvil1 | derf: Arduino will save us! |
| 19:32.04 | derf | There's systems I would never work on, but I'm happy that somebody does. |
| 19:32.20 | derf | Like, anything involving Qt. |
| 19:32.36 | RST38h | what is wrong with qt? |
| 19:32.42 | derf | It's written in C++. |
| 19:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | tbh, all I've seen so far from andridiot was utterly stupid, they have NFC about what'S a proper OS and which implications they run into when messing around with kernel and system libs just for fun. And then they think that's "contributing to FOSS" when they feed back that crap to linux and shove it down the throat of working distros |
| 19:33.27 | RST38h | hm..ok, what is wrong with C++ then? |
| 19:33.40 | derf | RST38h: We've had this conversation before, and it's besides the point. |
| 19:33.43 | RST38h | (as long as you avoid stl, exceptions and most teplates) |
| 19:33.47 | RST38h | derf: Yea |
| 19:34.03 | RST38h | derf: But I still fail to see the pointin aversion to C++ |
| 19:34.14 | derf | I'm not asking you to. |
| 19:34.23 | derf | I'm asking you to accept that _I_ don't like it. |
| 19:34.32 | RST38h | derf: Except maybe for the fact that you get into a bit of dll hell with it :) |
| 19:34.44 | derf | But that doesn't mean I'm not happy there are open-source C++ projects. |
| 19:35.02 | RST38h | hm, ok |
| 19:36.15 | kwtm | derf: Sorry to drag this out --I myself haven't had this conversation with you before, so I'll ask as an outsider who doesn't know C++: is there something about C++ that would make you suggest that I not learn it, or is it just a personal preference? |
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| 19:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: the C++ gurus of this world think they are a group of maybe 20 that *really* master C++ |
| 19:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | some of them think C++ is overly sophisticated |
| 19:39.24 | RST38h | is not a C++ guru and so has no problems suggesting to learn C++, just do it cautiously |
| 19:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | recent research seems to indicate C++ doesn't help on productivity or code quality of large projects |
| 19:39.32 | derf | kwtm: Nothing personal, but I have better things to do today than rant against C++. Google for logs of this channel if you really care. |
| 19:39.33 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Okay ... but is it worth learning even if I don't master it? Of course, this depends on my own personal situation, but in general, for someone who works with FOSS and would like to be able to write small programs quickly, maybe use Qt, is it worth learning? |
| 19:39.34 | RST38h | As "C++ to C is what lung cancer is to lungs" |
| 19:39.54 | derf | RST38h: Hahaha. |
| 19:40.03 | kwtm | Ah, I see. So, in summary, it is an unnecessary complication to using C to do the same thing. |
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| 19:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: definitely yes |
| 19:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | you can't use Qt without basic C++ knowledge |
| 19:40.52 | kwtm | The reason I ask is because I plan to use PyQt to put up some simple GUI scripts, and was wondering if it would be a good investment to learn C++ in order to use Qt to the fullest. |
| 19:41.15 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I suspect that my meaning of the phrase "use Qt" is much more liberal than yours. :) |
| 19:41.50 | kwtm | I guess gone are the days when C++ was going to save the world ... |
| 19:42.34 | RST38h | kwtm: When used carefully, C++ will help you better organize your code |
| 19:42.49 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: do you have link to that spec |
| 19:43.02 | RST38h | kwtm: When used to the full "power", it will blow your brains out |
| 19:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: at very least you need a good understanding of OO concepts, no matter if that's C++ or any other OO language. Qt however is genuine C++ |
| 19:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: isi shit? |
| 19:44.17 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I think I don't fully get OO yet. I use OO features of Python but I think I'll get laughed out of town if I show my code to anyone. |
| 19:44.52 | jacekowski | yes |
| 19:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 19:45.10 | kwtm | My own impression of C++ is "it was supposed to be a superset of C but when it compiles my C code it chokes on 'main(int argc, char *argv)' because there's no 'void' in front of 'main()' " and then it went downhill from there. |
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| 19:45.33 | RST38h | kwtm: actually, your main()is supposed to return int |
| 19:45.47 | RST38h | when you skip return type, "int" is assumed |
| 19:46.10 | RST38h | but your "char *argv" is incorrect anyway, either in C or in C++ |
| 19:46.17 | kwtm | RST38h: Yeah, but I didn't know that when I wrote my C programs, and I just didn't want to bother going back to change everything I had written for the two years previous ... (This was before I started with Linux) |
| 19:46.26 | RST38h | so, maybe you should not blame C++ for your mistakes |
| 19:47.02 | kwtm | RST38h: Well, it was an example of how C++ is much stricter for return values ... I haven't done C programming for decades now, so not surprised that I got it wrong... |
| 19:47.19 | ieatlint | use char **argv, it confuses people who claim to know c/c++ but don't |
| 19:47.39 | RST38h | const char *argv[] is the best option |
| 19:47.41 | RST38h | clearest |
| 19:48.06 | ieatlint | const is a good idea... the notation is otherwise entirely visual... |
| 19:48.24 | ieatlint | although i think argv is actually writable, just a bad idea to alter |
| 19:51.56 | alterego | It is, glib and Qt do it. |
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| 19:52.24 | alterego | and gtk though that's kind of related to glib. |
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| 19:54.48 | ieatlint | in which case you'll get an error/warning specifying const argv and then passing it to gtk/qt |
| 19:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ |
| 19:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | 1-Feb-2011 Wireless Modem API Release G2.V2-11W05 available. No changes to G1 API. |
| 19:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ^^^ |
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| 20:03.56 | ieatlint | hmmm, if i can rent a big white bus, i could go drive to one of the google shuttle stops near hear and pick up ~20 employees and drive them somewhere random long before they realize i'm not actually the google shuttle.. |
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| 20:32.05 | lauri | Hey guys, is Maemo/MeeGo going to participate on GSoC this year? |
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| 20:34.51 | blue_led | anyone had compiled fbset ? |
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| 20:38.03 | pupnik | blue_led: there's some interesting low-level capabilities of omap3 that can be exposed to fbset |
| 20:38.21 | pupnik | like a second framebuffer as an overlay running at a different resolution |
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| 20:40.03 | blue_led | @pupnik : i want to play with fb0 but i don't have fbset . do you have it ? |
| 20:40.14 | ZogG | On #feb11 wear a #MeeGo shirt if you have one. We are #MeeGo and we're proud of our project no matter what happens. |
| 20:40.17 | ZogG | lol |
| 20:41.51 | ZogG | someone is wiiling to sent me meego t-shirt or maemo t-shirt i |
| 20:41.52 | ZogG | ll buy |
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| 20:43.26 | pupnik | blue_led: i'm a little too uninformed about all this |
| 20:43.39 | RST38h | will wear the Cthulhu tshirt |
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| 20:47.21 | pupnik | barr is such a joker, i hate him |
| 20:47.43 | ieatlint | i'm going to a meego event at nokia's campus tonight... maybe i can find a shirt |
| 20:48.23 | wmarone | see that's the downside to living up in folsom, all the interesting mobile stuff is down in the bay area |
| 20:49.09 | ieatlint | folsom? hmmm... i think i met you at a meego event in sf last september |
| 20:49.14 | wmarone | yeah I was there |
| 20:49.39 | ieatlint | yeah, i was the guy with the n900 and the magnetic stripe card thing.. |
| 20:49.49 | wmarone | right, I have your business card |
| 20:50.03 | ieatlint | haha, ok |
| 20:50.05 | ieatlint | hi |
| 20:50.56 | ZogG | wmarone folsom? are you johnny cash? |
| 20:51.05 | wmarone | no, no |
| 20:51.12 | wmarone | but the prison is here in town |
| 20:51.19 | maybeWTF | at least mubarak hasn't yet announced egypt will switch to windows phone 7 |
| 20:51.34 | ieatlint | haha |
| 20:51.49 | ZogG | xmms2> Joaquin Phoenix - Folsom Prison Blues ["Walk The Line OST" 2005] |
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| 20:52.19 | ZogG | maybeWTF you are too late he did, but actually it's Windows mobile 6.5 |
| 20:52.41 | ZogG | BCMM, setting up funtoo on laptop |
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| 20:52.48 | ZogG | portage is nicer there |
| 20:53.03 | ZogG | full git thing not like in gentoo or i need to turn it on somewhere? |
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| 20:53.57 | RST38h | pupnik: Barr is a funny idiot |
| 20:54.14 | RST38h | pupnik: And it looks like Anonymous will have him for dinner |
| 20:54.31 | pupnik | his use of language is incredibly annoying |
| 20:56.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: (re http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ ) will registering there make the dl links appear? |
| 20:56.13 | javispedro | or it's just a trap? |
| 20:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | nah it works, though it's a PITA for some reason, like fubar js or sth |
| 20:56.53 | ZogG | where? |
| 20:56.57 | ZogG | lemme see |
| 20:57.02 | ZogG | want to eat!!! |
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| 20:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | also I can't find my credentials of last time, So asked for "resend" and waiting since 30min now |
| 20:59.39 | BCMM | What's the speaker that calls some out of when not in hands-free mode called? Can I make normal sound come out through it? |
| 20:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | earpiece |
| 20:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 21:02.07 | Sc0rpius | how do you get those fancy hostnames here in Freenode? |
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| 21:02.13 | Sc0rpius | Signoff: mc_teo (~hah@unaffiliated/mcteo/x-951735) |
| 21:02.29 | Sc0rpius | since I come from Efnet/Undernet, I know nothing about this network |
| 21:02.37 | BCMM | Sc0rpius: hostmasks, like mine? |
| 21:02.44 | Sc0rpius | yeah like those |
| 21:02.47 | Sc0rpius | like the one you have |
| 21:03.13 | skrullis | I have fucked up my n900! I was going to change the big user filesystem from vfat to ext2 and that went okay. Then I changed a bit in /etc/fstab /usr/sbin/mmc-mount and /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh. Regrettably, I didn't check these files for syntax error before I rebooted the device. Now it just reboots over and over again when I try to start it... what can I do? Is it possible to start it somehow in a hackable way? |
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| 21:04.37 | nidO | your easiest option is a reflash |
| 21:05.06 | skrullis | it would be fun to avoid that. |
| 21:06.16 | Sc0rpius | I suppose you DON'T have BackupMenu |
| 21:06.19 | BCMM | Sc0rpius: they're called cloaks; you can ask for an unaffiliated one in #freenode |
| 21:06.26 | Sc0rpius | ok thx BCMM |
| 21:07.43 | BCMM | Sc0rpius: as for project ones like MohammadAG wears, i guess you have to ask the project in question |
| 21:07.53 | Sc0rpius | yeah I might |
| 21:08.08 | Sc0rpius | and I suppose somebody like X-Fade assigns them |
| 21:08.27 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 21:08.44 | MohammadAG | actually, he asks Freenode staff to assign them, he can't assign cloaks |
| 21:08.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: very interesting, nice find! |
| 21:08.53 | Sc0rpius | oh I thought he was an IRC op here |
| 21:08.59 | BCMM | so who gets Maemo cloaks? |
| 21:09.07 | MohammadAG | he's just the channel owners |
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| 21:09.13 | MohammadAG | owner* |
| 21:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | skrullis: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 21:09.32 | BCMM | Sc0rpius: cloaks aren't a channel thing, they're network-wide |
| 21:09.44 | MohammadAG | there's a wiki about it |
| 21:09.53 | MohammadAG | Task:IRC_cloaks I think |
| 21:10.06 | MohammadAG | or Task:IRC_Cloaks, idk |
| 21:10.57 | Sc0rpius | exactly, and like I said, I though X-Fade was an IRC op |
| 21:11.03 | Sc0rpius | a Freenode IRC op |
| 21:12.25 | MohammadAG | nah |
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| 21:12.59 | MohammadAG | he owns the channel and has it registered on Freenode so we can get cloaks |
| 21:13.15 | skrullis | DocScrutinizer: thanks man, exactly what I need |
| 21:13.54 | lardman|home | hmm, /me now remembers why -testing is so bad |
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| 21:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | getting a unaffiliated cloak is much more painless. |
| 21:16.22 | Sc0rpius | I suppose... |
| 21:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | as usually you need freenode-staff, group-owner, and the user receiving cloak, all being online and available at same time |
| 21:17.29 | Sc0rpius | http://drippler.com/nokia_n900/nokia-kills-first-meego-phone-windowsandroid-phone-now-certain/?utm_source=wordtwit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wordtwit |
| 21:17.45 | Sc0rpius | I should have pasted the source |
| 21:17.48 | Sc0rpius | http://www.maemonokian900.com/nokia-n900-news/nokia-kills-first-meego-phone-windowsandroid-phone-now-certain/ |
| 21:17.56 | Sc0rpius | so no MeeGo? |
| 21:18.04 | Sc0rpius | I'll stick with Maemo until my grandchildren can use it |
| 21:18.10 | LjL | what's a good PIM suite, ideally with fancy home applets, for OS2008? |
| 21:18.48 | lardman|home | what are these so called sources? |
| 21:19.21 | Sc0rpius | yeah well i received the link via twitter and now I realize those "sources" suck |
| 21:19.32 | Sc0rpius | but anyway everybody knew this was gonna happen |
| 21:20.01 | Dhraakellian | it's been all around the (micro)blogosphere for the past few days |
| 21:20.43 | Sc0rpius | it seems they are gonna prefer Windows Mobile before Android |
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| 21:20.45 | Sc0rpius | I would too. |
| 21:20.56 | Dhraakellian | my personal (biased?) opinion is that it'd be even more stupid than FOX cancelling Firefly |
| 21:21.06 | Dhraakellian | I don't want an android phone |
| 21:21.06 | Sc0rpius | or Activision cancelling Guitar Hero :( |
| 21:21.08 | FireFly | Heh |
| 21:21.20 | Dhraakellian | not quite so much as I don't want a WP7 phone |
| 21:21.24 | ieatlint | or nbc cancelling star trek? |
| 21:21.25 | FireFly | The TV show kind of highlights usually doesn't occur in here... |
| 21:21.34 | FireFly | nick highlights, that is |
| 21:21.50 | Sc0rpius | I don't want an Android phone either, Android is very pretty, the fonts, animations, it's beautiful, but it sucks that you run out of battery in like 4 hours |
| 21:21.51 | Dhraakellian | FireFly: You can't take the Source from me |
| 21:21.55 | pupnik | i think fox cancelled it because it was too 'rebel' oriented |
| 21:22.01 | Sc0rpius | and the same issue with everybody: no real multitasking |
| 21:22.09 | Dhraakellian | meh. |
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| 21:22.29 | Dhraakellian | the main reason I don't want an Android phone is that I want at least one major mode of communication that isn't tied to Google in the slightest |
| 21:22.32 | ieatlint | Sc0rpius: i find it funny you're in #maemo and crticising the battery life of other devices |
| 21:22.47 | Sc0rpius | hey, I get at least 2 days with my N900 |
| 21:22.50 | jacekowski | well, n900 isn't as bad as some other devices |
| 21:22.51 | Sc0rpius | with 3G/Wifi use |
| 21:22.52 | Dhraakellian | I already have email and IM through them. I'd rather not have my phone with them |
| 21:23.00 | ieatlint | i get 8-12h, depending on my use |
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| 21:23.03 | Sc0rpius | try a Motorola Droid to see how much you can get |
| 21:23.06 | Dhraakellian | (and, no, my ham radio doesn't count) |
| 21:23.25 | ieatlint | i know the nexus s gets similar life, maybe better |
| 21:23.31 | lardman|home | wonders why "Programming Massively Parallel Processors" doesn't bother to mention texture memory |
| 21:23.34 | ieatlint | my old g1 got similar too |
| 21:23.43 | Dhraakellian | I still just charge every night, need it or not |
| 21:23.51 | Sc0rpius | that's wise |
| 21:23.54 | Dhraakellian | since I probably would need it the next day if I didn't |
| 21:23.57 | Sc0rpius | you'll never know what could happen tomorrow |
| 21:23.59 | wmarone | lardman|home: is it GPU targeted, or massive, multi-CPU? |
| 21:24.00 | Dhraakellian | yarr |
| 21:24.13 | Dhraakellian | and LiIon batteries don't mind partial discharg |
| 21:24.15 | Dhraakellian | e |
| 21:24.15 | lardman|home | wmarone: GPU targetted, and mainly CUDA at that |
| 21:24.20 | wmarone | weird |
| 21:24.24 | lardman|home | yeah |
| 21:24.45 | lardman|home | perhaps it was based on an earlier version before texture memory was accessible? |
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| 21:25.08 | wmarone | was there a version of CUDA that didn't give access to the texture memory? |
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| 21:25.37 | wmarone | lack of access would seem wasteful |
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| 21:25.42 | lardman|home | no idea |
| 21:25.56 | derf | Texture memory has always been accessible. |
| 21:26.11 | lardman|home | hmm, odd that that book doesn't mention it then |
| 21:26.18 | derf | It's no different from regular memory. The only thing that changes is how you access it. |
| 21:26.33 | lardman|home | ok, so it;s just constant memory? |
| 21:26.41 | derf | No, not at all. |
| 21:27.09 | lardman|home | "constant memory"? |
| 21:27.18 | ieatlint | heh, if nokia really is axing meego, we can expect to see a LOT of layoffs on the horizon |
| 21:27.20 | ieatlint | not just nokia too.. |
| 21:27.21 | lardman|home | in the CUDA lino |
| 21:27.27 | lardman|home | linguo |
| 21:27.34 | derf | lardman|home: I know what constant memory is, and it's not that. |
| 21:27.38 | lardman|home | ok |
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| 21:28.32 | derf | You can only read it through the shader units, and you can't write to it directly. But you can copy the contents of a linear array into it. |
| 21:28.57 | derf | (the reason being that it's not laid out linearly in memory, and exactly _how_ it's laid out was supposed to be this big proprietary secret they didn't want to expose) |
| 21:29.03 | lardman|home | is more abstracted than that |
| 21:29.18 | derf | Well, these details show up in the CUDA API. |
| 21:29.19 | lardman|home | didn't know you could write it to from the device though |
| 21:30.14 | lardman|home | but I'm only half way through the CUDA by example book, which does mention texture memory |
| 21:30.14 | derf | It's actually really damn annoying. Algorithms which are fast in OpenGL can't be implemented in CUDA in the same way, because you can't write to textures directly. |
| 21:30.57 | derf | I mean, I can understand not supporting scattered writes for textures, but they don't support direct writes at all. |
| 21:31.16 | derf | Just copying of whole arrays. |
| 21:32.55 | lardman|home | yet one can do that in OpenGL? |
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| 21:33.50 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, just finished black ops, lmfao @ final scene after credits |
| 21:34.11 | lardman|home | kind of lost the will in black ops after a couple of levels |
| 21:34.12 | Venemo | hey MohammadAG :) |
| 21:34.28 | MohammadAG | hey Venemo |
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| 21:34.41 | LjL | what should i do to make OS2008's player support Ogg Vorbis? i've installed 'ogg-support', but my files still aren't showing up in the library... |
| 21:34.56 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, story's ending's good |
| 21:36.00 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: It chopped and changed too much for my liking, but I'm sure I'll get bored enough one day to finish it |
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| 21:36.39 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, thought as much at first, but I like to finish all games I get |
| 21:36.58 | derf | lardman|home: In a limited fashion. E.g., you can run a fragment shader "for all texels", and the return value from each instance gets written to that texel. |
| 21:37.15 | lardman|home | derf: interesting |
| 21:37.28 | derf | You can also do multi-texture outputs, where you return several values, and each one gets written to a different texture. |
| 21:37.45 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: yeah but the ~£25 i pay for a game doens't commit me to do something that I don't find fun |
| 21:38.10 | lardman|home | derf: I'm doing heat simulation, so no need for that :) |
| 21:38.28 | derf | What you can't do is have a single program write more than one value to the _same_ texture, or figure out where you're going to write to after you run the program. |
| 21:39.10 | derf | Right, for heat simulation you shouldn't have to get to fancy. |
| 21:39.14 | derf | *too |
| 21:39.24 | lardman|home | ah, well is that a limitation caused by thread consistency, or whatever it would be called? |
| 21:39.42 | lardman|home | to avoid writing more than one value to the same location? |
| 21:39.48 | derf | Well, worse than that. |
| 21:40.02 | derf | Texture memory is organized into 2D blocks, and loaded into and out of cache in those blocks. |
| 21:40.17 | derf | On NVIDIA cards these are 8x8 (this is one of their big proprietary secrets). |
| 21:40.46 | derf | So if you want to write to a pixel, you have to load the whole 8x8 block in, update the pixel, and then flush it out (this is what the hardware does... this doesn't show up in the API anywhere). |
| 21:41.06 | derf | That is, that's what you _would_ do if scattered writes were supported. |
| 21:41.42 | lardman|home | but you can't really support scattered writes from a kernel can you anyway? |
| 21:41.50 | derf | What it actually does is runs the 64 instances of your program for the 8x8 block, collects all the return values in cache, and replaces the whole block in main memory at once. |
| 21:42.11 | derf | lardman|home: For ordinary global memory, yes you can. |
| 21:42.15 | derf | You can write wherever you want. |
| 21:42.22 | lardman|home | mutexes? |
| 21:42.37 | derf | Well, you have to make sure they don't conflict. |
| 21:42.55 | derf | I.e., you could make a program that only updated the even pixels. |
| 21:43.27 | derf | There's a limited set of atomic primitives. |
| 21:43.39 | derf | You can synchronize threads within a single warp, but that's about. |
| 21:43.40 | skrullis | DocScrutinizer: I followed the initrd rescue guide you sent a link about. the rescue mode commands seem to work but I don't see anything on the display. Have you had this problem? |
| 21:43.42 | derf | *about it. |
| 21:43.47 | lardman|home | so they've simly assumed you won;t want to do that then |
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| 21:44.02 | derf | Well, you won't. |
| 21:44.02 | lardman|home | warp or is it a block? |
| 21:44.07 | lardman|home | the latter I think |
| 21:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | skrullis: I never used that |
| 21:44.12 | lardman|home | warp is memory access stuff iirc |
| 21:44.18 | derf | This _is_ memory access stuff. |
| 21:44.26 | skrullis | DocScrutinizer: ok.. |
| 21:44.32 | derf | But I don't actually know on current cards. |
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| 21:44.39 | derf | Look it up. Don't trust me. |
| 21:45.06 | derf | Anyway, the truth is, you _won't_ want to do that. |
| 21:45.18 | derf | Because accessing individual memory locations is terribly slow. |
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| 21:45.33 | derf | Like 400-600 cycles for a read from global memory. |
| 21:46.06 | lardman|home | no, I meant a warp is 16 threads, a block is 32? and it's per-block synchronisation isn't it? |
| 21:46.10 | derf | If things are aligned properly, and you make all the threads in a warp access _consecutive_ memory locations, they can all do the access at once. |
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| 21:46.55 | lardman|home | yes, that book stresses that, which is good |
| 21:47.22 | derf | So: writing to 8 even pixels == 8 memory accesses. |
| 21:47.27 | lardman|home | goes into quite a bit of detail of trading off threads with registers vs memory vs #SMs, etc., etc |
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| 21:47.40 | derf | Reading in 16 pixles, updating the even ones, and writing 16 back out: 2 memory accesses. |
| 21:48.10 | derf | (reads and writes aren't equal, but let's pretend for the moment) |
| 21:48.43 | lardman|home | there's a 2nd pass tpop though assuming you use an if{} in there |
| 21:48.50 | lardman|home | s/tpop/too |
| 21:49.19 | derf | Not sure what you mean by that. |
| 21:50.11 | lardman|home | apparently the kernel must be run N times per warp depending on the number of paths in the code |
| 21:50.37 | derf | Not really. |
| 21:50.50 | derf | How would it know, in advance? |
| 21:51.05 | derf | What actually happens is it runs all the paths on all the threads. |
| 21:51.27 | derf | But the ones not actually "on" that path don't write back the results of whatever the operation was. |
| 21:52.12 | derf | I.e., if you have an if(){...} else{...}, everyone will run the if, then everyone will run the else. |
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| 21:52.50 | derf | But the ones that are supposed to go in the else branch will convert everything to nops while the if is being run. |
| 21:53.11 | derf | And vice-versa while the else is being run. |
| 21:53.25 | derf | And if everyone takes the _same_ branch, then it doesn't have to run the other one at all. |
| 21:53.27 | lardman|home | sure, but you still get a 2 run penalty |
| 21:53.46 | derf | Well, if you just have an if(){...}, then it still only gets run once. |
| 21:53.53 | lardman|home | yeah, so that depends how you structure your code so that singe warps can take the same path |
| 21:54.14 | derf | But, e.g., if it's an if(even pixel), then half the threads do something, and the other half sit idle. |
| 21:54.25 | lardman|home | yes, apologies, I should have added an else (if) |
| 21:54.51 | lardman|home | yeah ok |
| 21:55.44 | lardman|home | looks quite interesting working out the trade offs to get stuff working as quickly as possible |
| 21:56.07 | lardman|home | otoh, not sure how easy it is to write code that will scale to newer processors, which is part of the goal of CUDA |
| 21:56.46 | lardman|home | scale -> scale to generate code that is optimum for the # of register memories, constant memory, etc., etc |
| 21:57.43 | derf | Yeah, that is sort of why I gave up on it. |
| 21:57.56 | derf | It's "neat", but the original CUDA is a toy. |
| 21:58.32 | lardman|home | well assuming it will work for my simulations then "neat" is good enough :) |
| 21:58.35 | derf | You can make one-off things that run with it, but stuff like "constant memory gets reserved for the life of the application" are _terrible_ from a real software engineering perspective. |
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| 21:59.20 | derf | Yeah. If you just care about the output, and aren't actually shipping this to anyone in a product, then it works. |
| 21:59.26 | derf | As I said, "one-off" things. |
| 21:59.28 | lardman|home | yeah, reading about the multiple constraints and variable speedups sounds like a bugger to optimise properly |
| 21:59.41 | lardman|home | ack |
| 22:00.01 | derf | The stuff like, "All variables in shared memory are placed at the same address" is just insane, too. |
| 22:00.25 | derf | You can work around it by declaring a struct to avoid having to do all the address calculations yourself. |
| 22:00.29 | lardman|home | had not seen that |
| 22:00.33 | derf | But it's like, come _on_ people, this is what compilers are for. |
| 22:01.20 | lardman|home | I don't need to use shared memory though, so perhaps that was also the thought of the CUDA designers ;) |
| 22:02.08 | trumee | can applets be triggered from commandline? |
| 22:04.41 | LjL | is Tear a good choice for a web browser on OS2008, or does it have pitfalls i have so far (in my 30 seconds test) missed? |
| 22:04.56 | lardman|home | wonders how much texture memory his GTX 470 has |
| 22:05.25 | pupnik | LjL: i liked the speed a lot |
| 22:05.44 | PhonicUK | lardman|home, I'm pretty sure its 1.25GB for a stock 470 |
| 22:06.15 | LjL | pupnik: so far i like that it has kinetic scrolling and that i can search google from the address bar (not just "i'm feeling lucky" style) |
| 22:06.20 | lardman|home | PhonicUK: thanks, well that's more than enough for my needs |
| 22:08.04 | LjL | are there any other gems from Mer (i believe Tear is from Mer, anyway?) i might want to try out? |
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| 22:35.06 | pupnik | LjL: wish i'd installed a gps logger so i could have nailed the guy who stole my device :D |
| 22:35.39 | pupnik | in fact, it's tempting to set that situation up :) |
| 22:35.51 | LjL | :( |
| 22:36.15 | LjL | a potentially expensive experiment :P |
| 22:36.50 | SpeedEvil | Nailbomb works better. |
| 22:38.11 | merlin1991 | ouch |
| 22:38.25 | merlin1991 | I awlays thought you guys are friendly ;) |
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| 22:41.21 | lardman|home | yeah, but you need a bucket to catch him then |
| 22:44.57 | Per_n900 | I have a n800 that i never really used. Is there anything newer than os2008 that will work on it? Debian or something? |
| 22:45.02 | LjL | is MyTube supposed to be working, with the patch at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=612619&postcount=308 ? |
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| 22:51.40 | jonwil | all my reverse engineering and development efforts seem to be going nowhere :( |
| 22:52.00 | lardman|home | no! |
| 22:52.05 | lardman|home | what's up jonwil ? |
| 22:52.24 | jonwil | Cant seem to get anywhere with my reverse engineering efforts |
| 22:52.57 | lardman|home | well yeah, I sort of got that bit ;) |
| 22:53.06 | lardman|home | but what specifically? |
| 22:53.40 | jonwil | well I have been trying a few different things |
| 22:53.58 | jonwil | been trying to reverse engineer the isi/phonet stuff for GPS (as well as the interface to liblas) without success |
| 22:54.19 | jonwil | Also been interested in reverse engineering and cloning libcal, again no joy |
| 22:54.44 | lardman|home | some of the GPS stuff is in the wiki isn't it? |
| 22:54.51 | jonwil | small bits of it |
| 22:54.54 | jonwil | but nowhere near the full story |
| 22:55.35 | lardman|home | Well I was reverse engineering init (from the Tab) and likewise no immediate sucess, nasty compilation |
| 22:56.12 | lardman|home | though init is quite small, but it is statically compiled which makes life harder |
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| 22:57.17 | jonwil | I did find one thing for IDA that has helped a bit |
| 22:57.29 | lardman|home | not aqualung? |
| 22:57.33 | jonwil | nope |
| 22:57.37 | jonwil | that never worked |
| 22:57.47 | jonwil | It lets you parse header files and it generates a type library file for it |
| 22:57.50 | jonwil | that you can load |
| 22:58.00 | jonwil | which then gives you all the typedefs and structure and enums |
| 22:58.00 | lardman|home | hmm, sounds interesting |
| 22:58.17 | jonwil | so things like gboolean or DBusMessage or whatever |
| 22:58.31 | lardman|home | what's that called? |
| 22:58.34 | jonwil | depending on various factors it may also automatically recognize imported functions |
| 22:59.18 | jonwil | tilib. But I doubt you have access to the place I found it :) |
| 22:59.24 | jonwil | What version of IDA are you using? |
| 22:59.46 | lardman|home | 5.something |
| 23:00.04 | jonwil | 5.5? |
| 23:00.10 | lardman|home | which works with aqualung |
| 23:00.23 | jonwil | the thing I have is for 5.5 |
| 23:00.23 | lardman|home | dunno will have to check, i think before that though, is quite old |
| 23:00.30 | lardman|home | ah ok |
| 23:00.38 | jonwil | 5.5 is the newest I can find |
| 23:00.50 | lardman|home | am tempted to write my own decompiler, would be quite interesting, but time consuming |
| 23:01.06 | lardman|home | never ideal when you have something you want to get done :) |
| 23:01.08 | jonwil | yeah |
| 23:02.05 | lardman|home | I've got to hit the sack, got a meeting first thing tomorrow, but would be interested to chat about your reverse engineering problems, perhaps over the weekend if you're about |
| 23:02.21 | lardman|home | otherwise give me a shout next week |
| 23:02.30 | lardman|home | anyway night all |
| 23:03.16 | jonwil | Maybe someone needs to win lotto and buy a copy of the new IDA PRO HexRays ARM decompiler and use that :P |
| 23:03.50 | jonwil | Although I have been pulling apart some x86 binaries from the SDK and HexRays isn't a magic bullet there either :P |
| 23:04.01 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Find a name inthe executable, and then turn up at their door with a large amount of alcohol. |
| 23:04.49 | jonwil | Our best hope for GPS is either that Nokia publishes the isi/phonet calls or that Nokia releases GPS for N900 MeeGo with a much smaller (and therefore easier to reverse engineer) set of closed bits |
| 23:05.07 | jacekowski | jonwil: there is info for that in spec |
| 23:05.07 | javispedro | jonwil: that just happened: http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ |
| 23:05.19 | jonwil | I seen those before |
| 23:05.26 | jonwil | they cover most of isi/phonet |
| 23:05.28 | jonwil | but not GPS |
| 23:05.33 | jacekowski | gps as well |
| 23:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: ^^^^ oops too slow |
| 23:05.42 | javispedro | :) |
| 23:05.47 | jacekowski | 20:03 < DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: luke-jr, whom-it-may-concern: ISI specs actually mention how to talk GPS and even AGPS to cmt, it's called Modem LCS (Location Server) there. ((actually Mickey found this, so credit goes to him)) |
| 23:06.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-02-10 20:09:55] <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: g2, i_modem_lcs_fp.pdf |
| 23:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | LCS = LoCation Server |
| 23:06.41 | luke-jr | ⦠|
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| 23:07.09 | luke-jr | jonwil: also, I reverse engineered the GPS protocol like a year ago |
| 23:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | V 11.0 Wireless Modem 10-Nov-2010 MSW-04.03 |
| 23:07.35 | luke-jr | and released example code that works with gpsd |
| 23:07.37 | jonwil | from what I saw on the wiki, that's just parts of it. agps wasnt covered at that point |
| 23:07.46 | luke-jr | no, I didn't mess w/ AGPS |
| 23:07.53 | luke-jr | read those docs DocScrutinizer linked |
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| 23:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | ^^^ footnote of i_modem_lcs_fp.pdf |
| 23:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | so it's quite fresh |
| 23:11.59 | jonwil | hmmm, those docs dont seem to match the N900, liblas is sending to a resource 80 whereas the LCS server in those docs is listed as being resource 144 |
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| 23:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | problem with ISI is it's an incredibly universal concept, which inevitably multiplies complexity |
| 23:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | there might be spec-violations in BB5 CMT |
| 23:14.10 | javispedro | at least the 3d location report packet seems to match =) |
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| 23:17.53 | jonwil | which packet is the 3D location report packet? |
| 23:23.39 | Psi | anyone know if the EU's "one charger for all" chargers will do fast charge on n900 |
| 23:23.52 | jacekowski | yes |
| 23:23.59 | Psi | nice |
| 23:24.03 | jacekowski | as long as it complies with usb standard |
| 23:24.15 | jacekowski | but it should |
| 23:24.23 | Psi | i mean the wall chargers |
| 23:24.24 | jacekowski | unless it's apple charger |
| 23:25.13 | jonwil | The good news is that since the GPS phonet messages are in the modem spec, getting Nokia to release the specific specs for the n900 cellmo (to support GPS on MeeGo) should be easier :P |
| 23:26.31 | Psi | anyone know whats happening with meego lately? |
| 23:26.34 | Psi | ive heard some strange things |
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| 23:28.26 | bjv | how's fast charge supposed to work with usb? |
| 23:30.04 | ieatlint | uh, for the n900, it bridges data +/- |
| 23:30.12 | ieatlint | is that actually part of the usb spec though? |
| 23:30.27 | ieatlint | the bridging the data pin method is the standard adopted now i think |
| 23:31.26 | ieatlint | the usb3. spec allows something like 800mah-1ah to be drawn as i recall though, but no phones support that methinks |
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| 23:32.12 | jollymushr0om | hey |
| 23:32.14 | bjv | ah, right http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_1.zip |
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| 23:34.14 | jollymushr0om | is this the right place to ask some general questions about that os? |
| 23:34.18 | bjv | ##linux |
| 23:34.23 | bjv | but, yes |
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| 23:35.05 | jollymushr0om | is this application manager gui used to be not that stable? |
| 23:35.12 | javispedro | jonwil: MODEM_LCS_SB_RRC_REF_LOCATION or so I think. |
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| 23:36.28 | javispedro | or MODEM_LCS_SB_RRC_LOCATION_INFO ... |
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| 23:39.09 | skrullis | what's the name of the root device on nokia n900? I need to mount it |
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| 23:39.26 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.31 | SpeedEvil | 0 Ithink is root |
| 23:39.35 | SpeedEvil | err - no |
| 23:40.03 | Sc0rpius | "rootfs" I don't think it's mapped in /dev |
| 23:40.10 | bjv | df -h always tells me what is what |
| 23:40.11 | Sc0rpius | it's like tmpfs |
| 23:40.32 | skrullis | so how can I mount it then? if it's not in dev :) |
| 23:40.46 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.51 | SpeedEvil | it's ubifs |
| 23:41.01 | SpeedEvil | skrullis: why do you think you need to mount it |
| 23:41.01 | javispedro | skrullis: but, but, but why you'd want to do that? |
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| 23:41.33 | skrullis | SpeedEvil: lol |
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| 23:41.53 | skrullis | I just booted the device with an initrd :) |
| 23:42.25 | Sc0rpius | I'm talking (via IM) with a coworker she's a beautiful girl of only 25 years old |
| 23:42.35 | SpeedEvil | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 23:42.36 | SpeedEvil | init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6 |
| 23:42.36 | Sc0rpius | I wish I could be at least 10 years younger right now |
| 23:42.54 | javispedro | skrullis: in that case you should know that mount a ubi volume is not as trivial as a ext3 one; you'll have to google a bit |
| 23:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | meh, now that's really polite and nice: |
| 23:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | This interface is used to forward a privacy notification (notification or verification) from |
| 23:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | the network. When the network wants to determine the position of the terminal, it can |
| 23:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | first ask the terminal for permission. When the network invokes the privacy |
| 23:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | notification in the terminal, it can either ask the terminal to request acceptance from |
| 23:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | the user (verification), or it can tell the terminal to notify the user, but not ask the user |
| 23:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | for acceptance (Notification). |
| 23:43.55 | javispedro | that's when a hammer comes handy. |
| 23:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:44.04 | skrullis | javispedro: ok... |
| 23:44.11 | skrullis | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 23:45.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: can we somehow block that? |
| 23:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks! I tortured /etc with find -name *pre*init* all night long :-P |
| 23:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: with a hammer, like javispedro said |
| 23:46.11 | SpeedEvil | I'm, unsure where it's getting the mtd partition number from in there |
| 23:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: or with a nice MU-metal sleeve to shield all 1.8GHz(?) GPS signals |
| 23:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: or with a shorting plug for X6200 GPT RF test connector |
| 23:48.52 | SpeedEvil | Or you operate a 4G device near the phone. |
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| 23:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, the question is: can we make the device reliably signal when network is asking for a location report |
| 23:50.02 | skrullis | is it possible to access the ubifs over usb? |
| 23:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's way more useful than obscuring the true GPS location |
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| 23:50.22 | skrullis | so I can mount it on my laptop |
| 23:50.38 | SpeedEvil | skrullis: No. Not withthe usual software. |
| 23:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | *spoofing* GPS location however would be a really nice idea, as nobody would expect that |
| 23:50.45 | SpeedEvil | Youcould in principle do nfs |
| 23:50.53 | SpeedEvil | It's easy. |
| 23:50.57 | DrGrov | Good evening guys and gals |
| 23:51.07 | DrGrov | What is the news around here? :) |
| 23:51.09 | SpeedEvil | (spoofing) |
| 23:51.32 | skrullis | the problem is that my phone doesn't boot, I was hacking a few files and know I need to undo the changes... or format it :( |
| 23:51.45 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 23:51.45 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 23:51.54 | SpeedEvil | Im;ess upi |
| 23:52.04 | skrullis | (well, it boots and it doesn't do anything else, over and over again) |
| 23:52.12 | SpeedEvil | See above. |
| 23:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | skrullis: beware to deplete battery |
| 23:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | skrullis: you'll fall in a deadlock |
| 23:53.24 | skrullis | so it doesn't charge without os? |
| 23:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | as device doesn't charge while bootlooping, and doesn't flash with empty bat |
| 23:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:53.38 | DrGrov | Anyone interested in the Nokia press conference scheduled for tomorrow? Or actually today... |
| 23:53.46 | skrullis | f*ck. Thanks for telling me |
| 23:53.55 | javispedro | skrullis: so you're new to the device, killed maemo and already playing with a custom initrd without learning to reflash first? =) |
| 23:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 23:54.30 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: tomorrow. |
| 23:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | brave new user |
| 23:54.44 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Yes, tomorrow for most of you guys :) |
| 23:54.47 | SpeedEvil | http://twitter.com/#!/nokia |
| 23:55.01 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: It is today for me since it is 2 AM here. |
| 23:55.09 | SpeedEvil | 7h:35 min anyway |
| 23:55.50 | skrullis | javispedro: well I've had it a while and got pissed on the vfat user system (i tried to uncompress the linux kernel source on it and the filesystem went crazy because of to many files) so I was going to do my new ext2 automount and obviously i did bad things |
| 23:57.03 | SpeedEvil | Simply flashing it should work fine. |
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| 23:57.09 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: My plan is to stay awake until I read that 9:30 Finnish time scheduled memo |
| 23:57.34 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I know, I am an idiot with a capital I |
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| 23:58.25 | DrGrov | Nobody got any theories on what Elop will announce tomorrow? |
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| 23:58.43 | DrGrov | I need someone to talk to about this before it drives me insane |
| 23:59.16 | flat` | :o |
| 23:59.19 | Per_n900 | DrGrov: maybe you are taking this a bit too seriously? |
| 23:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 23:59.22 | Proteous | he will announce that he will not step down and will stay in office until September and then everyone will shake shoes at him |
| 23:59.35 | skrullis | thanks for help guys. sleeptime |
