| 00:00.02 | BCMM | and then accidentally stumble on a nice GUI that does that already |
| 00:00.56 | alterego | Heh |
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| 00:05.05 | Dado7 | hiii |
| 00:05.47 | Dado7 | Alguien despierto ?Some people live ? |
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| 00:10.29 | Venemo | hello Dado7 |
| 00:10.29 | Venemo | Dado7: not many, since it's 01:10 AM here |
| 00:10.35 | Dado7 | jajajaj |
| 00:10.41 | Dado7 | i know |
| 00:10.53 | Dado7 | is this time in spain |
| 00:11.13 | Dado7 | venemo i have one fail in my phone..... |
| 00:11.19 | Venemo | Dado7: it's in whole central Europe. |
| 00:11.21 | Venemo | Dado7: what fail is that |
| 00:11.26 | Dado7 | dont read target mmemoryyy |
| 00:11.42 | Dado7 | i have 4 diferents memory cards |
| 00:11.49 | Dado7 | and dont read |
| 00:12.00 | Dado7 | i have 16 gi clas 6 |
| 00:12.17 | Dado7 | and 2 gigas |
| 00:12.30 | Venemo | and? |
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| 00:13.11 | Dado7 | i try my diferents memory cards and my phone dont reads |
| 00:13.28 | Per_n900 | Venemo: where are you from if you dont mind me asking? |
| 00:13.30 | Dado7 | this cards works in others phones |
| 00:13.57 | Venemo | Per_n900: I'm from Hungary |
| 00:14.31 | Dado7 | nice womans from your country |
| 00:15.44 | Venemo | Per_n900: and you? |
| 00:17.39 | Dado7 | per is sleep |
| 00:17.46 | Per_n900 | Venemo: Sweden, so I atleast do not have to use euro, I wish someone could put and end to the madness of the european union :) |
| 00:18.03 | Venemo | Per_n900: there is no euro here (yet) either |
| 00:18.06 | Dado7 | kram kram |
| 00:18.08 | Venemo | Per_n900: what's wrong with the union? |
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| 00:18.39 | Per_n900 | Dado7: Per never sleeps... Haha kram... That is swedish! |
| 00:19.03 | Dado7 | i have exgirlfriend to sweeden |
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| 00:19.11 | Dado7 | i was meet in londom |
| 00:19.36 | Per_n900 | Venemo, they are building what hitler wanted wanted to do but failed. Exactly that. |
| 00:19.45 | Venemo | Per_n900: what? |
| 00:20.00 | Per_n900 | Dado7: was she pretty? |
| 00:20.14 | Dado7 | pretty and bastard |
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| 00:20.57 | Per_n900 | Venemo: one world government, one currency, one world central bank etc. |
| 00:21.35 | Per_n900 | The keyboard on the n900 is pretty ok for typing once you get the hang of it :) |
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| 00:22.05 | Dado7 | i m in n900 xchat :D |
| 00:22.27 | Per_n900 | Dado7, you have to pick an ugly one if you dont want her to be a bastard :) |
| 00:22.27 | BCMM | i reckon typing with two thumbs is about as fast as typing with two index fingers in a full-size keyboard |
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| 00:22.58 | BCMM | (i mean, like one of those people who works with a computer but never learned to type, not like the typing of somebody who's never used a computer before) |
| 00:23.20 | Dado7 | jajaja this is the problem.... likes nice and beautys |
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| 00:26.59 | Venemo | Per_n900: I consider it a good idea. |
| 00:27.52 | Dado7 | this world is crazy mite |
| 00:31.38 | Per_n900 | Venemo, I dont know... Most likely it wont work, and will eventually lead to wars anyway. Empires have a 100% failure rate. I especially do not like the part with only one currency that I would be required to use by law. With one world bank and one currency,a handful of people would rule everything and there would ne nothing you culd do about it :) |
| 00:33.19 | Venemo | Per_n900: well the EU is about Europe, not about the whole world. |
| 00:33.53 | Dado7 | this remember me a words spanish: ¿Recuerdas ? Quisimos cambiar el mundo y solo cambiamos nosotros.... |
| 00:35.02 | jonwil | Can anyone tell me what might be wrong with my code? http://pastebin.com/d3Ep08Es |
| 00:35.18 | jonwil | All I get as output when I run my test program is " |
| 00:35.20 | jonwil | " |
| 00:35.23 | jonwil | "segmentation fault" |
| 00:35.52 | Per_n900 | Venemo, for now yes, but it is only a part of the whole. There will be the american union with canada mexico america that uses the amero as money when the dollar fails and it soon will, and gradually the different unions will merge. The currency is already in place, the SDR. But this is maemo forum :) |
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| 00:37.18 | Per_n900 | Dado7: ? |
| 00:38.17 | Dado7 | is hard to me translate to english this spanish words, and i write from my cell, cannot translate for you with googlr translate |
| 00:40.45 | Per_n900 | Dado7: I studied spanish for 3 years, but cannot remeber anything but ordenador :) |
| 00:40.54 | Dado7 | jajaj |
| 00:41.05 | Dado7 | entiendes si te hablo asi ? |
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| 00:41.16 | Dado7 | jajaja |
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| 00:42.45 | Dado7 | i read in forums about memory cards, mayby the problem can resolve with magnent in the tap down |
| 00:43.02 | Dado7 | for can resolve and read the memory card |
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| 00:56.38 | Dado7 | is time to sleep |
| 00:56.46 | Dado7 | good nights people |
| 00:57.01 | Dado7 | see you tomorrow |
| 00:57.03 | Dado7 | bye |
| 00:59.22 | lucent | bye Dado7 |
| 00:59.42 | lucent | I am trying to make a kernel for N900, with Ubuntu x86 host |
| 00:59.58 | lucent | it's not easy! there are different instructions here or there |
| 01:00.00 | Venemo | Per_n900: :) |
| 01:00.20 | jonwil | bah, why wont this code work :( |
| 01:01.09 | lucent | jonwil: pastebin? I'm rather good at finding problems |
| 01:01.15 | jonwil | http://pastebin.com/d3Ep08Es |
| 01:01.28 | jonwil | Just says "Segmentation fault" when I run it on my N900 |
| 01:01.53 | jonwil | gcc -fpic -fPIC -O2 `pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 gconf-2.0` -I /usr/include/icd/ -o $@ -c $< |
| 01:02.00 | jonwil | gcc `pkg-config --libs glib-2.0 gconf-2.0` -o $@ $< |
| 01:02.04 | jonwil | Thats the compile options |
| 01:02.12 | jonwil | from my makefile |
| 01:02.34 | lucent | try -O0 -g |
| 01:02.41 | lucent | for debug, then gdb it |
| 01:05.16 | jonwil | what do I need to do to get GDB going? |
| 01:05.31 | lucent | oh. sorry I don't know, on the N900 |
| 01:05.38 | lucent | is gdb installed? |
| 01:05.47 | jonwil | I dont know how to install GDB on the N900 |
| 01:06.06 | lucent | yes I don't know either how to make that go on the N900 :( |
| 01:06.37 | jonwil | Lets try good old "printf debugging" then |
| 01:07.32 | nox- | gdb is in tools i think |
| 01:08.28 | nox- | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
| 01:08.54 | lucent | there's so many things in that code to go wrong |
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| 01:10.56 | jonwil | hmmm well I added a g_print("test 1\n"); line after the GError* err = NULL; |
| 01:11.00 | jonwil | and its not even getting there |
| 01:13.04 | lucent | jonwil: could be buffered |
| 01:13.09 | lucent | printf is buffered. |
| 01:13.50 | lucent | i.e. it does print but never flushes the file descriptor, so you see nothing |
| 01:14.31 | nox- | you mean stdout isnt line buffered by default on ttys? |
| 01:14.45 | nox- | well if its that add an fflush(stdout) after the printf |
| 01:15.42 | jonwil | well I commented everything out so all I have now is basically this |
| 01:15.44 | jonwil | http://pastebin.com/efq03fRh |
| 01:15.46 | jonwil | and its still segfaulting |
| 01:15.53 | jonwil | so I think my compiler options are fubar |
| 01:16.25 | jonwil | gcc -fpic -fPIC -O2 `pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 gconf-2.0` -I /usr/include/icd/ -o $@ -c $< is my compile line |
| 01:16.30 | jonwil | gcc `pkg-config --libs glib-2.0 gconf-2.0` -o $@ $< is the link |
| 01:16.36 | jonwil | anyone see anything wrong with those? |
| 01:16.43 | jonwil | I have no idea about the -fpic -fPIC |
| 01:16.53 | lucent | position independent code |
| 01:17.00 | jonwil | do I need those? |
| 01:17.06 | lucent | um, try -O0 *not* -O2 |
| 01:17.15 | lucent | -O0 no optimization |
| 01:17.22 | nox- | and -g, and install gdb from tools :) |
| 01:18.05 | jonwil | still segfaulting with -O0 |
| 01:18.08 | nox- | oh and you used g_print, no idea how buffering is there |
| 01:18.12 | jonwil | looks like I got no choice but to try GDB |
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| 01:18.45 | lucent | jonwil: I see nothing specific that you can't just compile and run it on a laptop host |
| 01:19.21 | jonwil | except that those gconf commands wont return data on anything but a N900 |
| 01:19.25 | lucent | I mean laptop / desktop host ; who uses a desktop anymore? but well I forget maybe some people have real money they can afford a computer ;) |
| 01:19.35 | jonwil | I have not one but TWO desktops here |
| 01:19.39 | jonwil | one as my main box |
| 01:19.43 | jonwil | and the other is my Gentoo box |
| 01:19.45 | jonwil | for N900 dev |
| 01:19.51 | jonwil | main box runs XP :P |
| 01:19.59 | jonwil | for my gaming :P |
| 01:21.27 | SpeedEvil | compiles on the n900. |
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| 01:21.52 | SpeedEvil | It's faster than my second-to-last laptop |
| 01:26.18 | lolloo | jonwil, use steam client? |
| 01:26.35 | jonwil | steam? |
| 01:26.42 | jonwil | if you mean the gaming thing then no I dont use it |
| 01:26.53 | lolloo | alright. |
| 01:27.16 | lolloo | steam is like msn messenger except for gamers. |
| 01:27.32 | jonwil | I know what it is :) |
| 01:28.03 | lolloo | awesome! visit www.steamcommunity.com/groups/ES4S |
| 01:28.56 | jonwil | hmmm, I am following the steps to install GDB, I added the tools repo and ran apt-get update and then apt-get install gdb |
| 01:28.59 | jonwil | per what it says here |
| 01:29.00 | jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide#Pre-Requisites |
| 01:29.19 | jonwil | but apt-get says "Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/g/gdb/gdb_6.8.50.20090417-0maemo2+0m5_armel.deb Size mismatch" |
| 01:29.33 | nox- | oh |
| 01:29.47 | nox- | repo fubar'd? |
| 01:29.57 | jonwil | the file exists |
| 01:30.06 | jonwil | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/g/gdb/ says it does |
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| 01:30.33 | ArGGu^^ | jonwil try sudo apt-get update |
| 01:30.41 | nox- | yeah index list different size is what i understand that as |
| 01:30.42 | ArGGu^^ | then try installing it |
| 01:30.47 | nox- | true |
| 01:30.51 | jonwil | I am already root |
| 01:31.04 | jonwil | doing this through ssh |
| 01:31.12 | Venemo | for anyone who owns an N8x0 and has 5 minutes for me, please see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=939566 |
| 01:31.50 | jonwil | could I manually download the .deb file to my device and install it that way or would that be bad? |
| 01:32.02 | nox- | jonwil, its only gdb so worth a try |
| 01:32.21 | nox- | if it doesnt run can still remove it |
| 01:33.09 | jonwil | how do I manually install the package then? |
| 01:33.11 | jonwil | I have it on my phone |
| 01:33.21 | nox- | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 01:34.14 | jonwil | "/home/user/lscon": not in executable format: File format not recognized |
| 01:34.20 | jonwil | That tells me something |
| 01:34.55 | nox- | huh |
| 01:35.13 | nox- | thats the arm deb? |
| 01:35.23 | jonwil | no, I mean when I run gdb |
| 01:35.27 | jonwil | on my app |
| 01:35.32 | nox- | ooh |
| 01:35.33 | jonwil | so looks like its not compiling properly |
| 01:35.38 | jonwil | or not transferring to the phone properly |
| 01:35.41 | nox- | run file on it on the linux box |
| 01:35.59 | nox- | the build box |
| 01:36.24 | nox- | maybe its not crosscompiled for arm... |
| 01:36.46 | jonwil | file says its "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 01:36.53 | jonwil | which looks correct |
| 01:36.53 | nox- | hm |
| 01:37.49 | nox- | does gdb work on other executables? |
| 01:37.59 | jonwil | aha, somehow my FTP client was tranferring something as ascii not binary |
| 01:38.16 | compengi | if i connected the phone to a standard usb cable to my laptop, will it start charging? |
| 01:38.30 | nox- | ooh |
| 01:38.32 | lucent | compengi: yes, it should if the laptop is powered |
| 01:38.43 | compengi | oh, that's bad |
| 01:38.53 | lucent | compengi: bad? |
| 01:38.58 | nox- | jonwil, scp also exists :) |
| 01:39.15 | jonwil | its solved now |
| 01:39.21 | nox- | :) |
| 01:39.24 | compengi | lucent, yeah, i want to put some files on the phone, but i don't want it to charge |
| 01:39.30 | SpeedEvil | Why notr? |
| 01:39.50 | lucent | compengi: why don't you want it to charge, I'm afraid to ask |
| 01:39.55 | SpeedEvil | In principle, as root on the n900 - stop bme |
| 01:39.59 | SpeedEvil | and then it won't charge |
| 01:40.07 | SpeedEvil | you need to start bme afterwards |
| 01:40.09 | SpeedEvil | or reboot |
| 01:40.48 | compengi | lucent, i don't like to charge my batteries if they are not fully discharged |
| 01:41.13 | lucent | compengi: your logic is bad when applied to LiIon batteries |
| 01:41.21 | lucent | sorry, you are wrong. |
| 01:41.24 | SpeedEvil | compengi: that is very bad practice with li-ion. |
| 01:41.38 | SpeedEvil | compengi: They dislike being at full charge most. |
| 01:41.46 | SpeedEvil | And then high temperatures. |
| 01:42.08 | SpeedEvil | And only then integral charge/discharge amount. |
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| 01:42.28 | compengi | when the phone goes off, this doesn't mean that the battery is null |
| 01:43.21 | SpeedEvil | I know. It turns off at 3.185V or so, with BME running. 2.745 without. |
| 01:43.24 | SpeedEvil | ish |
| 01:43.41 | SpeedEvil | And running batteries flat does not help thier lifetimes. |
| 01:44.17 | jonwil | BINGO, I now have code that prints out the name and type of every registered network connection |
| 01:44.19 | lucent | I think Li-ion is best kept at 40% - 70% charge ? |
| 01:44.27 | lucent | jonwil: yay! what was the problem? |
| 01:44.35 | nox- | ascii ftp :) |
| 01:44.38 | jonwil | yeah |
| 01:45.00 | jonwil | its asking for every directory under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP in gconf |
| 01:45.01 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: :) |
| 01:45.04 | jonwil | then obtaining the name and type |
| 01:45.08 | jonwil | and printing them |
| 01:45.45 | jonwil | now I need to take this code and do the hard part (make a control panel applet that displays the WiFi networks in a list and lets you set one as "home" network) |
| 01:46.02 | lucent | jonwil: or "gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP" |
| 01:46.06 | lucent | but yeah yours is cleaner |
| 01:46.19 | SpeedEvil | Random talk from defcon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htDMu7USsZQ :) |
| 01:46.34 | lucent | yay SpeedEvil neator |
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| 01:47.29 | nox- | is it true that u.s. cards still only use magstripes? |
| 01:47.43 | SpeedEvil | nox-: rthis isn't related to that so much. |
| 01:47.50 | SpeedEvil | nox-: It's hardware attacks. |
| 01:47.52 | nox- | ah ok havent watched yet |
| 01:47.55 | SpeedEvil | And remote attacks. |
| 01:48.09 | nox- | i c |
| 01:48.13 | SpeedEvil | For example - a ~3 seconds physical attack that owns the ATM. |
| 01:48.19 | nox- | haha |
| 01:52.26 | jonwil | wonders if this "always connect to home wireless network if its accessible regardless of what other network you may be connected to" ICD policy plugin is actually of use |
| 01:53.30 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 01:53.55 | SpeedEvil | though if it is available may mean polling frequently |
| 01:54.29 | jonwil | no, I suspect that ICD gets informed when a new network becomes visible |
| 01:54.45 | SpeedEvil | There is a poll time somewhere in settings |
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| 01:57.06 | jonwil | The one thing I dont know (and cant test myself) is what happens if you have one wifi network in range (and are connected to it) and then move into range of another WiFi network |
| 01:57.17 | jonwil | and what calls are made to the policy plugins in that instance |
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| 01:57.53 | nox- | is more worried about that powersaving bug that seems to turn off the radio at the `wrong' time and makes it miss beacon frames causing it to send endless poll requests... |
| 01:58.05 | SpeedEvil | works for me. |
| 01:58.26 | SpeedEvil | To debug that, I suspect you need a protocol analyser, and a copy of the wifi spec. |
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| 01:58.41 | SpeedEvil | Which is horrible. |
| 01:58.51 | SpeedEvil | It's a maze of crosslinked docs. |
| 01:58.55 | nox- | yeah thats what i suspect :) |
| 01:59.02 | SpeedEvil | With no overall rationale. |
| 01:59.19 | SpeedEvil | night1 |
| 02:00.30 | n900evil | s/1/!/ |
| 02:02.35 | nox- | good idea |
| 02:02.40 | nox- | gnite SpeedEvil |
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| 02:09.53 | compengi | SpeedEvil, i've heard that many times, but after my experience with few old nokia phones and the latest n79 it showed that the battery goes weaker and drops from full to the middle or to empty on the scale if i charge it frequently |
| 02:12.36 | compengi | SpeedEvil, my dad has an old nokia 6210i probably, afaik he has a li-ion battery and he uses it for 8 years now. it is still working with same performance as before |
| 02:14.23 | compengi | he waits till his phones dies and then puts a small bulb to completely discharge it. then charges it. and it works for 8 years now |
| 02:16.00 | compengi | idk if those devs out there tell lies for companies benefit |
| 02:16.31 | compengi | but i've seen many people that buy new batteries each year because they don't work anymore |
| 02:20.15 | compengi | i'm not sure which method is the right one, but apparently what you suggested totally contradicts with dad's use and if that method damages li-ion battery, it won't have last for 8 years, would it? |
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| 03:42.51 | Sazpaimon | so guys |
| 03:42.53 | Sazpaimon | Alien Dalvik |
| 03:43.00 | Sazpaimon | how awesome is this |
| 03:45.47 | pupnik | ? |
| 03:45.59 | pupnik | someone finally did it? |
| 03:46.01 | Sazpaimon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXWEyKjwk2g |
| 03:46.03 | Sazpaimon | yep |
| 03:46.15 | Sazpaimon | video here shows android apps running on an N900 |
| 03:46.16 | Sazpaimon | seamlessly |
| 03:46.32 | Sazpaimon | as if they were native |
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| 03:47.57 | pupnik | nice Sazpaimon |
| 03:48.25 | Sazpaimon | now there will be absolutely no reason NOT to get an N9(00) |
| 03:48.46 | lucent | noodles900: you still around? use "pointer" mode in the microb |
| 03:49.17 | lucent | drag stylus from off-screen lower left corner in a right motion onto the screen, and an arrow will appear |
| 03:49.25 | lucent | select the arrow to "lock" into that mode |
| 03:49.44 | lucent | select your text, then just sign off of IRC and ignore that I tried to help you, bastard. |
| 03:51.07 | Sazpaimon | I'm still looking to snipe an N900 on ebay |
| 03:52.25 | Sazpaimon | http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Nokia-N900-Unlocked-/280624733194?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4156899c0a seriously? |
| 03:52.33 | Sazpaimon | Current bid:US $0.01 |
| 03:52.34 | Sazpaimon | Shipping:$530.00 |
| 03:53.00 | johnx | lucent, if I knew anyone hiring for technical documentation writer I'd recommend you in a heartbeat |
| 03:53.49 | johnx | Sazpaimon, $530 is like same-business-day courier service across the country |
| 03:54.30 | Sazpaimon | more like same-business-day courier service across the accross the continent |
| 03:54.53 | Sazpaimon | apparently it's in Lithuania |
| 03:55.28 | Sazpaimon | i forget, is the N900 global 3G? |
| 03:56.29 | johnx | yeah |
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| 03:57.00 | johnx | w/ T-Mobile 3G bands for US/Canada |
| 03:57.13 | johnx | and when I said across the country, I did kinda mean across the continent I live on :) |
| 03:59.03 | Sazpaimon | yeah I'm switching to tmo soon |
| 03:59.18 | Sazpaimon | hate to abandon my E71, but I can't deal with AT&T anymore |
| 03:59.48 | Sazpaimon | and in philadelphia, tmo's 3G is barely used compared to AT&T |
| 03:59.58 | Sazpaimon | so I don't have to deal with network saturation |
| 04:00.11 | Sazpaimon | at&t has better underground coverage though, so there's that |
| 04:00.40 | johnx | Yeah. 3G on T-Mo near Seattle is awesome. I've seen 7Mb/s at my office |
| 04:01.03 | johnx | It's all about coverage in your area I guess :) |
| 04:01.09 | Ken-Young | It's pretty good in Boston too. |
| 04:01.15 | Sazpaimon | tmo doesnt have to worry about the iphone saturating their 3G network |
| 04:01.30 | johnx | Though I live near their HQ building ;) |
| 04:02.15 | Sazpaimon | maybe now that they've rebranded their 3G as 4G and are starting to push android phones with "4G" support it may happen soon |
| 04:02.29 | Sazpaimon | but for now it's faster than most other companies |
| 04:03.18 | johnx | it all depends on the area I guess |
| 04:03.47 | Sazpaimon | and since tmobile actually has cheaper rates if you get it without a contract (which you have to do if you want an N900), it's cheaper than at&T |
| 04:04.20 | Sazpaimon | though you cant compare to at&t now because they dont offer unlimited data, my current unlimited plan ranks in the upper 90s |
| 04:04.21 | johnx | And you used to be able to get a dumbphone data plan for $10/month and use that with the N900 |
| 04:04.38 | johnx | but I think they dropped that or something |
| 04:05.02 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 04:05.10 | Sazpaimon | you're lucky if you got grandfathered into that i guess |
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| 04:05.12 | johnx | bummer |
| 04:05.30 | johnx | I was going to switch to be on a family plan with my wife in a bit, too :| |
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| 04:06.06 | Sazpaimon | i'd switch to a family plan with my girl, but she's still on contract with AT&T |
| 04:06.14 | Sazpaimon | she can break it though, but I dont know if it'd be worth it |
| 04:06.32 | Sazpaimon | I'd be getting the unsubsidized plan, so she'd need to buy a phonje at full price |
| 04:06.51 | Sazpaimon | she can use my E71 I guess, but that'd be 2G only on tmobile |
| 04:07.15 | Sazpaimon | speaking of their $10 plan, i thik they offered the Nokia 5230 with that |
| 04:07.33 | Sazpaimon | the 5230 may be a lower end phone, but it's certainly not a dumbphone |
| 04:07.45 | johnx | they offered the TM506 SE phone with it too. That was a rather nice dumbphone. It was great for pairing to my N800 |
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| 04:08.23 | johnx | well, I could have said: non-android, non-WP7, non-laptop, but I figured dumbphone was shorter to type |
| 04:09.49 | Sazpaimon | http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mob/2172338275.html |
| 04:09.50 | Sazpaimon | dang |
| 04:09.56 | Sazpaimon | $400 for an N900? |
| 04:10.00 | Sazpaimon | i'll stick with ebay |
| 04:10.12 | Sazpaimon | http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mob/2152784647.html that's interesting |
| 04:10.21 | Sazpaimon | trading an HD2 for an N900 and not the other way around |
| 04:10.31 | johnx | It's funny 'cause it's $350 new on amazon :) |
| 04:11.28 | Sazpaimon | http://newjersey.craigslist.org/mob/2145057435.html |
| 04:11.31 | Sazpaimon | this was posted a month ago |
| 04:11.40 | Sazpaimon | too good to be true? |
| 04:12.03 | doc|home | Sazpaimon: I wonder if the hint would be in " this is a steal. " |
| 04:12.08 | johnx | I think by "this is a steal" he means "I stole it" |
| 04:12.14 | Sazpaimon | fine with me |
| 04:12.16 | doc|home | Sazpaimon: ask if he has a receipt |
| 04:12.34 | doc|home | Sazpaimon: screw that. I don't give money to thieving scum. |
| 04:12.47 | Sazpaimon | i'm fine with accepting stolen goods as long as it was passed through no more than 4 hands |
| 04:12.53 | jonwil | All this "Data Plan" BS in the USA is garbage. Being in Australia, I just get a fixed monthly amount which I get to use for data, calls, SMS, MMS, basically everything except premium calls and special stuff |
| 04:13.09 | doc|home | Sazpaimon: aaaand that's why phones get stolen in the first place |
| 04:13.17 | Sazpaimon | doc|home, i live in philadelphia, you get used to it |
| 04:14.03 | johnx | jonwil, I'd have to run the numbers, but I think moving half a world away might eat into my data plans savings :) |
| 04:14.19 | Sazpaimon | thing is he lives like |
| 04:14.24 | Sazpaimon | 5 hours by transit away |
| 04:14.55 | Sazpaimon | 3 hours if i take the amtrak |
| 04:15.20 | doc|home | Sazpaimon: 3 hours x 2 (return journey) plus ticket price plus it being likely stolen = no warranty |
| 04:15.27 | doc|home | is it worth it? |
| 04:15.32 | Sazpaimon | http://newjersey.craigslist.org/mob/2159395155.html maybe this would be better |
| 04:15.58 | Sazpaimon | area code leads me to believe it's another north jersey entry |
| 04:16.14 | jonwil | On the plan I am about to switch to, I pay AU$14.99 and get $300 worth of credit per month |
| 04:16.27 | Sazpaimon | http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/emd/2129242365.html |
| 04:16.30 | Sazpaimon | the hell is this? |
| 04:16.47 | doc|home | spam |
| 04:17.17 | jonwil | Only things I cant use it for is international calls/roaming, certain kinds of mobile content (that I dont use), premium rate numbers, some fax stuff and some wierd digital data stuff |
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| 04:17.38 | jonwil | Regular internet data costs me 0.2c per 10kb out of my cap |
| 04:17.47 | Sazpaimon | "certain kinds of mobile content" |
| 04:17.52 | Sazpaimon | what is that, do they lock ports? |
| 04:18.07 | jonwil | no, I am referring to special downloads and upcharges from the carrier |
| 04:18.50 | Sazpaimon | oh like overpriced ringtones and stuff? |
| 04:18.53 | jonwil | yeah |
| 04:19.03 | Sazpaimon | those are such scams |
| 04:19.04 | jonwil | and like when you subscribe to video downloads or streaming sports |
| 04:19.13 | jonwil | or whatever special content deals they have |
| 04:19.17 | jonwil | in any case I dont use it |
| 04:19.29 | jonwil | dont use any of the "excluded items" in fact |
| 04:20.30 | jonwil | I also get 1000 minutes a month to use between 8pm and midnight to call anyone else on the same carrier |
| 04:21.21 | jonwil | or something |
| 04:21.28 | jonwil | something about "first 20 minutes of each call" |
| 04:21.42 | jonwil | either way I get a lot of value for not much money |
| 04:21.51 | jonwil | one of the benefits of having really good competition |
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| 04:25.12 | jonwil | Just waiting for my new SIM card to arrive |
| 04:25.27 | jonwil | And the N900 already has the data settings for my carrier in its file :) |
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| 05:40.49 | slonopotamus | ??? |
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| 05:44.36 | RobbieThe1st | :D I love my n900. I just flashed dd-wrt firmware to my new router with it! Can your iThing do that? |
| 05:45.52 | Necc | ofc yes! |
| 05:46.16 | Necc | all i need to do is to download an application from the iCrap store! |
| 05:47.19 | RobbieThe1st | :P |
| 05:47.50 | Necc | ^^ |
| 05:49.47 | wmarone | RobbieThe1st: tftp transfer? |
| 05:50.14 | Necc | i think general web upload |
| 05:50.17 | RobbieThe1st | Nah; just plain old http file upload |
| 05:50.19 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 05:50.32 | wmarone | huh |
| 05:50.38 | RobbieThe1st | But with the lack of file manager etc... and javascript support... |
| 05:50.41 | wmarone | cause last time I did dd-wrt I had to do a tftp transfer |
| 05:50.46 | RobbieThe1st | Most devices would have trouble |
| 05:50.56 | wmarone | I just replaced that router the weekend before last with one I put openwrt on |
| 05:50.58 | RobbieThe1st | wmarone: It's a WRT160N v3 |
| 05:51.14 | wmarone | cool |
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| 07:00.45 | ZogG | sony is going crazy =))) |
| 07:01.09 | ZogG | Nokia is angel with it support if you watch what is going on with sony right now =) |
| 07:01.58 | Ken-Young | ZogG, What is Sony doing? |
| 07:02.41 | ZogG | Ken-Young it wants to sue people who commented and.... wait for it... WATCHED the video of geohot of jailbroken 3.55 =) |
| 07:03.44 | ZogG | it's not just blobs, but even if you manage to have homebrew on your ps3 you are doomed =0) |
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| 08:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell compengi about batteryfaq |
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| 08:47.59 | jonwil | Anyone know which module/app is the one that displays the list of internet connections for you to pick from? |
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| 08:50.21 | _nicolai_ | jonwil, connectivity-ui ? |
| 08:50.32 | jonwil | there is no such package or binary |
| 08:50.40 | jonwil | plenty of packages similarly named |
| 08:50.44 | jonwil | with no idea which one is the right one |
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| 08:54.00 | trx2 | jonwil libconic |
| 08:55.00 | trx2 | btw, you request a connection and if there isnt a preffered network it shows that dialog |
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| 08:55.18 | RST38h | moos carnivorously |
| 08:55.46 | jonwil | well in this case I am trying to clone the dialog, not talk to it (I need to display a list of connections myself for my new ICD policy plugin |
| 08:56.07 | jonwil | but yeah libconic is a good place to start |
| 08:56.15 | jonwil | since its oss |
| 08:56.51 | trx2 | yep |
| 08:58.55 | jonwil | Looks like libicd_policy_ask.so is the next major link in the chain |
| 08:59.35 | _nicolai_ | d-feet shows com.nokia.icd_ui.show_conn_dlg is in /usr/bin/osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs |
| 09:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | eeek, the killer cow |
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| 09:01.25 | jonwil | Looks like the secret stuff is in libiap_conndlg.so |
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| 09:02.18 | jonwil | actually, I dont think I need to reverse engineer that at all |
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| 09:02.41 | jonwil | What I need ultimatly is a dialog box with a scrollable list of clickable buttons |
| 09:02.51 | jonwil | I dont need any of the secret sauce in libiap_conndlg.so |
| 09:04.24 | RST38h | Doc: Are we already having "the moment" on tmo? |
| 09:04.35 | RST38h | Doc: As result of Elop's leaked memo? |
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| 09:05.17 | chx | RST38h: leaked? url? |
| 09:05.27 | RST38h | chx: google. |
| 09:05.38 | chx | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin |
| 09:05.40 | chx | this? |
| 09:05.46 | johnx | RST38h, the point at which the signal/noise approaches 0 |
| 09:06.01 | RST38h | johnx: has been reached a while ago |
| 09:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | feeds RST38h witha few pound of raw meat |
| 09:09.16 | jonwil | I dont think Nokia is going to want to give up their leadership in UI and user experience and jump on the MS bandwagon where MS controls most of the UI and UX |
| 09:09.46 | mango_make | Hi, I'm trying to work out how to change the "default" row height of maemo5 styled listWidgetItems. I have read many forum posts saying howto make custom delegates that return a calculated sizeHint - but this sounds to me like overkill. All my rows in all my listWidgets within my app need to be the same height but less than the default so that a greater number of items can be seen at any one time. I think this envolves mod |
| 09:09.46 | mango_make | ifying something in QMaemo5Style - but again i cant seem to find a simple call to di it. Can anybody tell me a simple way to set the default height of these rows to say half the current (which i think would be 35 instead of 70)? |
| 09:10.06 | RST38h | Doc: Beef? =) |
| 09:10.33 | chx | RST38h: what does "the moment" mean? |
| 09:10.35 | mango_make | sorry i shoudl have stated Qt listWidget |
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| 09:11.08 | RST38h | chx: If someone sneaks up on you and hits you with a baseball bat from behind, you will be having a moment |
| 09:11.42 | RST38h | chx: If that leads to your premature death, you would be having THE moment |
| 09:11.51 | chx | heh |
| 09:12.02 | RST38h | (which also explains a difference between articles in English :)) |
| 09:12.16 | trx2 | mango_make use stylesheets |
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| 09:16.26 | jonwil | IMO if Nokia decided that neither Symbian or MeeGo was the future, Android would be a better choice than Windows Phone |
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| 09:16.49 | jonwil | with Android they could create their own 100% nokia UX on top of vanilla Android (like HTC did with Sense) |
| 09:16.56 | chx | what if it's Meego + Alien Dalvik? |
| 09:18.21 | jonwil | I wonder how hard it would be to go beyond Alien Dalvik and produce a genuine |
| 09:18.31 | chx | also, did anyone consider a Blackberry - Nokia merger ? |
| 09:18.39 | jonwil | genuine Dalvik for Maemo or MeeGo that could run Android apps as-is |
| 09:18.46 | jonwil | without needing to change the Android app at all |
| 09:19.00 | chx | or a Nokia+HP working together to pwn the US enterprise phone market? |
| 09:19.19 | jonwil | Didn't HP just buy Palm? |
| 09:19.31 | chx | sure they did, and? |
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| 09:22.53 | jonwil | If it were possible, I would suggest that one way forward for Nokia would be to do something a bit like what Apple did with OSX whereby they make future MeeGo phones but at the same time bolt-on some Symbian compatibility libraries to allow all the vast bulk of Symbian apps to run on top |
| 09:23.41 | jonwil | which overcomes the chicken-and-egg of needing apps to get consumers interested and needing consumers to get app developers interested |
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| 09:24.07 | chx | given today's CPUs , i guess a symbian vm is not outta question |
| 09:24.10 | johnx | jonwil, they could. but they have to decide how many developers to put on that, that could be doing other things |
| 09:24.42 | chx | that woudl be a killer wouldnt it |
| 09:24.54 | chx | Plain Linux kernel with a Dalvik AND a Symbian VM. |
| 09:25.16 | jonwil | the idea is that it would give them all the good things about Symbian but none of the bad things that seem to be holding Symbian back |
| 09:25.43 | jonwil | i.e. all the things that make Symbian worse as a smartphone OS than Android or iOS or Windows Phone |
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| 09:28.21 | RST38h | johnx: OMG, tmo comes to irc! |
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| 09:28.48 | ruskie | erm... |
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| 09:29.32 | johnx | RST38h, Heh. Are you saying this isn't the place to hold my lecture on opportunity cost and how one-off dead-end projects are a bad idea? |
| 09:30.09 | ruskie | how are they a bad idea? |
| 09:30.26 | ruskie | <-- still likes the m5 UX more than any other "smart"phone UX he tried so far... |
| 09:30.54 | jonwil | I do love the N900 |
| 09:30.57 | alterego | I kind of agree ... |
| 09:31.01 | johnx | ruskie, how are one-off dead-end projects a bad idea? Uhm, is that really the question? |
| 09:31.21 | ruskie | and who says they are dead-end... |
| 09:31.22 | alterego | if there were just a few tiny refinements it would be extremely attractive too :) |
| 09:31.23 | jonwil | The N900 is the best smartphone ever made for a geek like me |
| 09:31.38 | johnx | ruskie, I was mostly talking about a symbian emulation layer for meego |
| 09:32.09 | alterego | woof |
| 09:32.18 | alterego | You mean Qt? |
| 09:32.32 | ruskie | alterego, well Qt wasn't is symbian for a long time ;) |
| 09:32.42 | alterego | You could call it "Syne" |
| 09:32.53 | alterego | Well, do it :P |
| 09:33.28 | ruskie | if they had Qt from a long time ago they could have went with something like that... |
| 09:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: (beef?) whatever the carnivore moocow prefers |
| 09:34.05 | mango_make | trx, Thanks! works a charm! |
| 09:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I guess you like eating your colleagues |
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| 09:34.29 | mango_make | trx2, Thanks! works a charm! |
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| 09:34.54 | ruskie | but with it only being a recent addition they would first need a decent app-pool... |
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| 09:35.38 | RST38h | johnx: No, I am saying that I am seeing the same dumb "analysis" I am skipping on tmo |
| 09:36.00 | RST38h | johnx: "Let Elop adopt WP7 and make a Symbian simulation layer on top!" |
| 09:36.14 | RST38h | johnx: "Let Elop run WebOS inside Meego!" |
| 09:36.17 | RST38h | johnx: etc. |
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| 09:36.25 | ruskie | for a phone I still consider S40 to be the better(best?)... UX so far... |
| 09:36.44 | ruskie | I don't acknowledge that there exist "smart"phones... |
| 09:36.48 | RST38h | S40 is a sad little sandbox |
| 09:36.56 | ruskie | but it works reliably... |
| 09:37.03 | johnx | ruskie, I think you might have ended up in the wrong channel ... ;) |
| 09:37.05 | alterego | It does work well |
| 09:37.06 | RST38h | Not always, depends on the phone model |
| 09:37.22 | ruskie | until such devices exist that can read my mind and do things smartly based on that... it's not smart... it's dumb... |
| 09:37.30 | RST38h | I think the late models do work though |
| 09:37.52 | ruskie | my mom has a n6300 iirc... great device... no issues |
| 09:38.09 | alterego | A phone that can read you mind and do smart things based on that would be more clever than you. |
| 09:38.16 | alterego | Are you sure you want that? :P |
| 09:38.29 | nidO | I still own my 3210, my first ever mobile |
| 09:38.37 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:38.42 | nidO | it still beats the hell out of 95% of current smartphones as a phone |
| 09:38.46 | ruskie | I've used a n5110 for over 6 years... and still have it |
| 09:38.53 | alterego | The 3210 was awesome |
| 09:39.01 | ruskie | still original battery... still get a weeks worth of standby |
| 09:39.25 | ruskie | it worked... no issues at all |
| 09:39.31 | alterego | I had an 8210 too |
| 09:39.44 | ruskie | and that's what I expect from a phone... a no-nosense device |
| 09:39.51 | alterego | I liked that phone. though there was a known issue with the screen |
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| 09:40.20 | ruskie | I consider things like "smart"phones just another way of saying tablet computer |
| 09:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | hell, elop is a fool, complaining about "only one meego device out in the wild in 2011" but same time to me it looks like either Nokia is simply ignoring the handset UX development by paying some poor 4 developers to somehow make a meego work on N900, or they wre even stupid enough to develop a supposedly open OS in parallel behind Nokia walls |
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| 09:40.51 | ruskie | for which a phone centric UX does NOT work and NEVER will... |
| 09:41.39 | ruskie | my n900 is primarily used as a basic level phone... ocassionaly use it for other things... but that is rare |
| 09:41.42 | jacekowski | n900 port of meego is done not by nokia |
| 09:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | ...while aplle probably has 4000 and windows 40000 devels working for years to roll out a polished new OS version |
| 09:41.56 | jacekowski | but by people that are not related to nokia in any way |
| 09:42.57 | nidO | ruskie, this is why devices like the old communicators are popular among people who used em |
| 09:43.01 | achipa | X-Fade: bergie around ? |
| 09:43.04 | nidO | closed, its a straightforward easy phone |
| 09:43.05 | johnx | jacekowski, errr, they're at very least paid by Nokia |
| 09:43.07 | nidO | open, its a tablet |
| 09:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | stskeeps definitely is |
| 09:43.42 | alterego | johnx: no, we really arent :P |
| 09:43.58 | johnx | alterego, well, *some* are :) |
| 09:44.13 | alterego | johnx: some are doing it in their spare time (that work at Nokia) and have the ability to help with the closed components. |
| 09:44.20 | jacekowski | johnx: no they are not |
| 09:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | those legendary 4 that almost lost their mind, facing the daunting task |
| 09:44.34 | knoppix | nidO: i'm one of them :P still love my 9300i |
| 09:44.35 | alterego | johnx: the N900 adaptation is not funded by anyone. |
| 09:44.53 | alterego | johnx: it's a hobby project. |
| 09:45.00 | ruskie | never had the chance to use a communicator but loved the idea/design... |
| 09:45.03 | jacekowski | johnx: you should watch stskeeps talk on fosdem |
| 09:45.10 | johnx | alterego, I think I really got the wrong impression then. sorry about that |
| 09:45.12 | ruskie | alterego, I thought the n900 was the reference platform for meego... |
| 09:45.18 | alterego | ruskie: :) |
| 09:45.42 | alterego | It's a reference platform, in that it'as OMAP and has a display .. |
| 09:45.57 | achipa | alterego: good luck in getting a hobby project an official Nokia and/or MeeGo sticker |
| 09:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: now that's bs |
| 09:46.07 | ruskie | well frankly don't really care since I dislike the meego phone UX... |
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| 09:46.25 | alterego | achipa: well, it already has an official MeeGo sticker what do you mean? |
| 09:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: +1 |
| 09:46.56 | alterego | Yeah, I don't really like the UX either. |
| 09:46.58 | achipa | who gave it the meego sticker ? |
| 09:47.02 | achipa | alterego: ^ |
| 09:47.21 | alterego | achipa: why do you think it doesn't have one? |
| 09:47.31 | alterego | The work is hosted under meego.com |
| 09:47.31 | ruskie | I mean either the IVI or the Netbook UX could work better imho... |
| 09:47.43 | alterego | The N900 _is_ one of the reference devices .. |
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| 09:48.05 | alterego | Along with ncdk, icdk and aava .. |
| 09:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | dudes, this isn't about stickers, this is about *massive* manpower needed to build and DEBUG/FIELDTEST a new OS |
| 09:48.42 | achipa | alterego: I'm saying you don't get a meego sticker or the name of "Nokia N900 Hardware Adaptation Team" if you have nothing to do with Nokia |
| 09:49.00 | alterego | achipa: why not? |
| 09:49.09 | alterego | What has Nokia got to do with anything? |
| 09:49.14 | ruskie | achipa, Nokia already said that they don't plan on supporting MeeGo on the N900 iirc... |
| 09:49.18 | ruskie | officially |
| 09:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | meh, missing the point |
| 09:49.48 | alterego | Yes, Nokia's MeeGo, not the community built/run MeeGo that is the adaptation .. |
| 09:49.48 | achipa | uuuhhh... do we have to go over this for the millionth time ? |
| 09:50.17 | ruskie | considers if he can splurge on a touchbookv2 this year... |
| 09:50.22 | achipa | alterego: well if you put 'nokia' on your team name nokia legal is not going to be happy |
| 09:50.26 | alterego | Think of MeeGo as being Ubuntu for your phone |
| 09:50.36 | alterego | achipa: so? |
| 09:50.50 | RST38h | Doc: I doubt Elop knows N900 exists |
| 09:50.53 | alterego | At least that's the meego adaptation. |
| 09:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: BS |
| 09:50.56 | achipa | alterego: so ? |
| 09:51.16 | RST38h | Doc: It is quite possible he does not know Harmattan exists |
| 09:51.26 | alterego | achipa: it's called the Nokia N900 what else would you call a team of people getting the hardware to work? |
| 09:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I dunno if he knows about N900, evidently he knows about a Nokia meego device |
| 09:51.39 | RST38h | Doc: The quesiton is, what he means by it |
| 09:51.49 | RST38h | Doc: Notice that it does not have to be Harmattan |
| 09:52.04 | achipa | alterego: I obviously can't tell you what Nokia is or isn't paying, just can appeal to your common sense - but if you want to forego that... |
| 09:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | I know and even think that's not HE for sure |
| 09:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | but then how's he expecting to see Nokia meego devices pop out of nowhere while some fuzzy crowd not related to Nokia is developing the OS? |
| 09:53.40 | RST38h | Doc: Once again, he may have already written Meego off. You simply do not know. |
| 09:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | this means either Nokia has a secret meego devel crew, or the "official" visible one is way too underpowered |
| 09:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | bots similarly evil |
| 09:54.19 | jonwil | wonders what the plan for N900 GPS on MeeGo is |
| 09:54.19 | RST38h | It is pointless to second guess things |
| 09:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | it is pointless to discuss economic and management things here, it seems |
| 09:55.21 | RST38h | Doc: Or anywhere else |
| 09:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not talking about future, I state the obvious about the past and present time |
| 09:55.41 | RST38h | Doc: Because none of us have any idea what is going on and what Nokia management is thinking |
| 09:55.44 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: I think most people overestimate reference implementations |
| 09:56.03 | achipa | (in terms of how it relates to actual products) |
| 09:56.29 | RST38h | Doc: There are several things that can be deduced by carefully comparing facts, but they are simply not enough to create the full picture |
| 09:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: so what? makes that their lack of open meego support and a clear migration path any more sound? |
| 09:56.43 | jonwil | I think the #1 thing the community wants from Nokia regarding MeeGo on N900 is support for the closed source bits |
| 09:56.52 | achipa | RST38h: but why create the full picture when you can... speculate !!! :) |
| 09:57.37 | RST38h | Doc: Who told you they are interested in providing you with an open platform and a migration path? |
| 09:57.44 | achipa | jonwil: IIUC that is sort-of agreed upon (this would mean drivers following kernels and such) |
| 09:57.53 | johnx | We need to figure out how to setup a game like 'fantasy football' except for phones and phone OS marketshare. "Fantasy CEO" or something |
| 09:57.54 | RST38h | Doc: This certainly has no direct relation to the number of devices they can sell |
| 09:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: who says that's a point of any interest at all? |
| 09:58.09 | RST38h | johnx: This has been done kong time ago |
| 09:58.18 | RST38h | johnx: The site was named fuckedupcompany.com |
| 09:58.25 | johnx | RST38h, right. but it needs to be standardized enough to bet on |
| 09:58.38 | RST38h | johnx: I think they had betting, deadpool style |
| 09:58.45 | johnx | (!!) |
| 09:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I guess you simply missed my initial statement about elop being a fool, and why |
| 09:58.52 | johnx | I did not know that ... |
| 09:59.13 | RST38h | Doc: Anyone who calls Elop a fool is...mm...shortsighted |
| 09:59.33 | RST38h | Doc: He may not have your personal interests in mind, but fool he is not, sorry |
| 09:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | anyone who calls me shortsighted is ignorant |
| 10:00.30 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, ignorant of the fact that you're actually farsighted? or is it a stigmatism? |
| 10:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sorry, your problem seems to be *you* got only our interests in mind, while my statement about elop was exclusivle Nokia future centric |
| 10:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | you can't reasonably moan about slow meego progress while same time not throwing any manpower on it |
| 10:02.35 | RST38h | Mmm...No, he is not getting it. Thinking it is personal instead :) |
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| 10:03.42 | sx0n | afaik meego progress is on schedule |
| 10:04.03 | sx0n | 1.2 |
| 10:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 10:04.20 | RST38h | johnx: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://fuckedupcompany.com |
| 10:04.47 | johnx | RST38h, yeah. I remembered them and the news about dead/dying companies. I didn't know they had betting to go with it |
| 10:04.51 | chem|st | .oO(but not all stages are developed... netbook UX won't get luv till +1.3) |
| 10:05.25 | RST38h | chem|st: from where I am watching, the netbook UI seems to be the only one getting regular love :) |
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| 10:06.32 | chem|st | RST38h: uhh show me you place then ;) |
| 10:07.13 | RST38h | is really interested to see what the tablet UI will look like |
| 10:07.38 | chem|st | actualy I dont care... coming from ION the netbookUX is crap... |
| 10:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | look how long it took maemo to ripe to diablo, and how long it took Nokia to make that basically ridiculous augment from diablo to fremantle, and even for that they needed massive support from a benevolent community and aren't really there yet. Now Nokia thought they can migrate from maemo fremantle to meego, with the original maemo team split ahalf, and end with a prime time ready handset UX in less than 12 months?? c'mon |
| 10:08.14 | chem|st | RST38h: it will look like the netbookUX as it is already without any keyboard interaction... |
| 10:10.01 | chem|st | RST38h: tested it only for 20min BUT I guess it is much more useful with mouse or touchscreen (normal netbooks do not have) |
| 10:10.30 | chem|st | is back to work |
| 10:14.42 | dm8tbr | both joggler and archos9 are examples of community projects using netbook-ux |
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| 10:18.32 | RST38h | chem|st: so that stunning tablet UI demo was just a demo? |
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| 10:19.02 | RST38h | Doc: I think my main point would be tat they do not really need any community to move meego forward |
| 10:19.24 | RST38h | Doc: They can do it in private |
| 10:19.46 | RST38h | Doc: So, all this "need community support" thing is kinda not an issue |
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| 10:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | 38: sorry no highlight on doc: here |
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| 10:36.02 | baraujo | X-Fade, I sent a package yesterday to autobuilder and its binaries are not available on extras-devel yet... could you take a look? this is the request: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pyside_1.0.0~beta5-1maemo1/ |
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| 10:53.56 | chem|st | RST38h: that was nothing meego base or are you refering to s/t else? link? |
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| 10:58.40 | RST38h | chem|st: It was delivered as a "Meego Tablet concept UI" |
| 10:58.51 | RST38h | chem|st: Apparently, it wasn't real just a mockup |
| 11:00.49 | chem|st | RST38h: the one with the bubbles they also showed on the n900 (water style...)? |
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| 11:07.53 | Dado7 | hi people, good days |
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| 11:40.35 | deno | hi there |
| 11:40.46 | deno | I have a problem with opencv on maemo |
| 11:40.50 | deno | I get: |
| 11:41.01 | deno | OpenCV Error: Assertion failed (code) in imwrite_, file highgui/loadsave.cpp, line 294 |
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| 11:41.05 | deno | it is only on maemo |
| 11:41.15 | deno | the same code works on the other systems |
| 11:41.34 | LjL | are there any GPS navigation apps for the N810, with actual routing and spoken direction, aside from the trial one included? |
| 11:45.01 | derf | There's Maemo Mapper, but I think the server that served driving directions is down now. |
| 11:45.27 | derf | And probably not likely to be resuscitated. |
| 11:45.34 | LjL | :( |
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| 11:52.45 | kerio | buy a n900! |
| 11:54.07 | alterego | If you can ... |
| 11:54.41 | psycho_oreos | another rotting tooth? |
| 11:54.54 | LjL | N900 doesn't really fit my (well, my sister's) needs, nor my price target. on the other hand i probably should have got an Archos 5 for the same price |
| 11:56.12 | LjL | there is Navit... but it doesn't even seem to start :\ |
| 11:59.21 | akikhaw | what's your price target then? |
| 11:59.31 | LjL | â¬100 |
| 11:59.37 | jonwil | Maybe someone will get "google maps navigation for android" running under that N900/Maemo/MeeGo Dalvik port |
| 11:59.38 | akikhaw | i've seen a few used n900's go for less than 200 |
| 11:59.48 | akikhaw | ok, that's pretty low then even for an used n900 |
| 12:00.14 | LjL | but it's the typical N810 or Archos 5 price, actually i paid the N810 â¬87 |
| 12:00.43 | LjL | uhm Navit fails on wanting libcrypto, i guess i'll have to hunt for that one |
| 12:00.51 | psycho_oreos | the irony is that N810 is losing support fairly quickly as is with N900 |
| 12:01.14 | ccooke | Damn. I will be very dissapointed if Nokia do decide to ditch meego. |
| 12:01.36 | ccooke | I've been hoping for a meego phone to save me from having to get another Android phone :-/ |
| 12:01.41 | alterego | sighs |
| 12:01.46 | akikhaw | the reuters "news" is just a rehash of the old eldar twitter post :p |
| 12:01.55 | akikhaw | if you were talking about that |
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| 12:02.03 | ccooke | akikhaw: nah, the memo that's doing the rounds |
| 12:02.05 | alterego | Where do you guys come up with this shit .. |
| 12:02.13 | range | alterego: Engadget :) |
| 12:02.18 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:02.25 | psycho_oreos | words from the grapevine :p |
| 12:02.27 | RST38h | Aha, I see that the memo has finally reached the masses |
| 12:02.29 | ccooke | alterego: Hey, I said "if". |
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| 12:02.42 | alterego | ccooke: even just talking about it is retarded. |
| 12:02.50 | alterego | wonders off. |
| 12:02.52 | ccooke | alterego: That's nice. |
| 12:03.23 | RST38h | alterego: Was that a typo? =) |
| 12:03.25 | LjL | is there a state-of-the-art screen rotator for the N810, or are they all the same? like, something that rotates depending on keyboard state (i've seen at least two of those), and that can keep the Maemo buttons on the short side of the screen |
| 12:03.31 | alterego | Come back when you've got proof, whining about "if"s is stupid. |
| 12:03.37 | RST38h | LjL: No. |
| 12:03.44 | ccooke | alterego: Try learning to read while you're gone, huh? |
| 12:03.48 | alterego | RST38h: no, lapse in spelling :P |
| 12:03.53 | RST38h | sighs |
| 12:04.00 | alterego | ccooke: read what? |
| 12:04.01 | RST38h | alterego: The lapse worked =) |
| 12:04.12 | ccooke | alterego: there's this word "if" that actually means something :-) |
| 12:04.23 | LjL | RST38h: does that mean i might as well get the first that shows up on google? |
| 12:04.25 | psycho_oreos | I think its a bit of a given that nokia is currently in a vulnerable state, any little media persuasions may seem plausible to the average joe from some random reporter without enough sources to backup his/her FUD |
| 12:04.28 | alterego | ccooke: Sure it does, but you're just spreading FUD, |
| 12:04.45 | RST38h | ccooke: As in "If granny had balls, she would be granddaddy" |
| 12:04.52 | alterego | ccooke: and in case you didn't know .. #meego is over there -> |
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| 12:05.29 | chem|st | the memo means that nokia maybe start some fuzzy WP7/android phones to keep up the marketshare till meego is ready... |
| 12:05.35 | chem|st | no a big deal... |
| 12:05.49 | LjL | eeek. "nothing was found for libcrypto in OS2008" :( |
| 12:05.51 | ccooke | chem|st: That would be at least interesting, if it turned out to be true. |
| 12:06.09 | deno | has anyone had problem with saving images with opencv? |
| 12:06.12 | chem|st | ccooke: it is the least interesting to any of us here I guess |
| 12:06.23 | ccooke | chem|st: Agreed. |
| 12:06.34 | RST38h | chem|st: Meego is actually given just a couple of sentences in the memo, saying that it is really really late |
| 12:06.41 | psycho_oreos | nokia already have their hands full with both symbian and maemo/meego. That's what caused them to have such big messes |
| 12:06.54 | RST38h | chem|st: And there are no definite plans laid out for Meego OR for WP7/Android |
| 12:06.55 | alterego | I didn't think it was late .. |
| 12:07.12 | chem|st | neither will I buy android/WP7 phones in my life nor iPranks |
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| 12:08.03 | alterego | Especially if they're Nokia ones .. |
| 12:08.22 | ccooke | has an android phone currently - mainly because he wanted to try it out. On the whole, I much prefer the n900. Of course, I let my wife steal mine, now, so... :-/ |
| 12:08.30 | RobbieThe1st | chem|st: I agree! |
| 12:08.37 | alterego | God, MeeGo will be on version 4 by the time Nokia have customised an Android instance .. |
| 12:08.40 | jonwil | I will never buy an iPhone or Windows Phone 7 |
| 12:08.49 | korhojoa | ccooke: oh dang, what are you going to do now? |
| 12:08.55 | ccooke | (Android does have huge numbers of apps, but... at least the models I've seen just aren't as nice to use as *phones*) |
| 12:09.00 | chem|st | as the looks of now I will buy n900s as long as they are available |
| 12:09.01 | RST38h | alterego: Why customize? Release it as it is, cheap! |
| 12:09.15 | alterego | RST38h: do you honestly see that happening? :P |
| 12:09.25 | ccooke | korhojoa: I have a spare broken n900. Probably find someone to fix the usb socket eventually :-) |
| 12:09.30 | RST38h | alterego: Yes. I have got vivid, unhealthy imagination |
| 12:09.34 | korhojoa | ah, the damn microusb |
| 12:09.39 | alterego | Heh |
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| 12:13.20 | Venemo_N900 | is there any command that can reliably tell me the current maemo version? |
| 12:13.41 | RST38h | uname -a? |
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| 12:14.03 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: not kernel version |
| 12:14.30 | ccooke | Venemo_N900: there's the system info applet in the settings. |
| 12:14.31 | alterego | Unfortunately no. |
| 12:14.41 | ccooke | Venemo_N900: ... also, you can probably just check the output of dpkg -l |
| 12:14.42 | Venemo_N900 | ccooke: that's not the point |
| 12:14.49 | alterego | You're still talking about maemo 4 vs. maemo 5 right? |
| 12:14.57 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: right |
| 12:15.06 | alterego | Then unfortunately I don't think there is a way. |
| 12:15.18 | ccooke | ah. v4. That's rather different. |
| 12:15.30 | alterego | You need to target the lowest common denominator for each of your dependencies. |
| 12:15.49 | ccooke | Venemo_N900: what sort of granularity are you after? |
| 12:15.51 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: I could use /etc/dpkg/origins/ but they're the same |
| 12:15.57 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:16.28 | Venemo_N900 | ccooke: I want to add libqtm-sensors dependency when compiling for Maemo 5 and I don't want it when compiling for Maemo 4 |
| 12:17.02 | ccooke | Venemo_N900: so you need a method of determining which you're on, from a command line. But you only need the major version, right? |
| 12:17.15 | Venemo_N900 | ccooke: correct |
| 12:17.22 | alterego | ccooke: not going to work in a control file .. |
| 12:17.33 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: nah! |
| 12:17.34 | ccooke | alterego: argh, point |
| 12:17.50 | Venemo_N900 | no need to bother with the control fle |
| 12:18.04 | ccooke | okay, so a script would do? |
| 12:18.06 | Venemo_N900 | I can use the rules file to execute any command |
| 12:18.21 | alterego | Hrm, yeah I guess that might work. |
| 12:18.26 | ccooke | Venemo_N900: okay, got it. check /proc |
| 12:18.27 | Venemo_N900 | and then use substitution variables and dh_gencontrol |
| 12:18.27 | alterego | Not sure how extras will handle that. |
| 12:18.52 | ccooke | Venemo_N900: the pseudofiles for the n810's graphics hardware are different to the n900's.. |
| 12:19.16 | Venemo_N900 | ccooke: yes, but they're probably not on the sdk |
| 12:19.18 | ccooke | (among other differences) |
| 12:19.32 | alterego | Just check to see if apt is using fremantle repositories or diablo :P |
| 12:19.39 | ccooke | alterego: *grin* |
| 12:19.40 | Venemo_N900 | ccooke: I'm thinking of simply checking for libqtm-sensors... |
| 12:19.52 | alterego | Venemo_N900: well, that would be the _proper_ way to do it. |
| 12:20.04 | ccooke | Venemo_N900: do an apt-cache lookup or it, see if it's installable? |
| 12:20.05 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: hey, that's good but on MADDE there is no apt at all. |
| 12:20.24 | alterego | Venemo_N900: what has madde got to do with it? |
| 12:20.38 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: what if I compile under MADDE? |
| 12:20.55 | alterego | You're not packaging under madde though are you? |
| 12:21.04 | alterego | All the mobility APIs are already installed. |
| 12:21.13 | Venemo_N900 | not atm, but I may. |
| 12:21.23 | alterego | Venemo_N900: don't, seriously don't :P |
| 12:21.36 | Venemo_N900 | anyway, I think I'll check for the existence of the mobility apis |
| 12:21.37 | alterego | No one uses madde for packaging .. I don't even think it's possible. |
| 12:21.46 | alterego | If you want to create packages use scratchbox or extras |
| 12:22.01 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: It is well possible. while I was on windows, I could do it. |
| 12:22.17 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: 'mad dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S' |
| 12:22.29 | alterego | Oh, cool |
| 12:23.26 | Venemo_N900 | so, gimme some shell command that can determine whether a package exists and will also work on MADDE |
| 12:23.44 | alterego | Neah |
| 12:23.51 | alterego | That's just silly. |
| 12:23.59 | Venemo_N900 | probably checking for the existence of /usr/lib/libqtmwhatever.so maybe the best |
| 12:24.07 | alterego | Pick a packaging target and work with that. |
| 12:24.12 | alterego | I suggest scratchbox |
| 12:24.26 | alterego | If you're using madde, well, you can't use madde for diablo, so what is the point? |
| 12:24.47 | Venemo_N900 | anyone should be able to package it. even users of MADDE on Windows. |
| 12:24.50 | alterego | Venemo_N900: but if it's not there then the autobuilder wont import it. |
| 12:25.25 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: so, back to checking for maemo version somehow. |
| 12:25.46 | alterego | Or just package qtm for diablo |
| 12:26.13 | Venemo_N900 | it wouldn't work |
| 12:26.21 | Venemo_N900 | n810 has no accelerometer afaik |
| 12:26.24 | alterego | Well, that's a different problem. |
| 12:27.09 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: worst case, I make a separate control file |
| 12:27.26 | alterego | m'hmm |
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| 12:30.03 | Venemo_N900 | but I wanna avoid that... |
| 12:30.36 | Venemo_N900 | isn't there an mp-diablo-*-pr package? like on fremantle? |
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| 12:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | (<Venemo_N900> is there any command that can reliably tell me the current maemo version?) set|grep MAEMO |
| 12:43.50 | DocScrutinizer | err grep OSSO_PROD |
| 12:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_FULL_NAME='Maemo 5' |
| 12:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME='Maemo 5' |
| 12:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION=3.2010.02-8 |
| 12:44.31 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: will that work in the sdk? |
| 12:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | ummppf |
| 12:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
| 12:45.12 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: remember, we're talking about a way to determine this at compile time |
| 12:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | what's the product version of MAEMO in sdk anyway? |
| 12:45.43 | alterego | There isn't an OSSO_blah |
| 12:46.09 | alterego | There is an /etc/maemo_version |
| 12:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure, as sdk is NOT a true maemo environment |
| 12:46.51 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: there's no such thing on N900 though. |
| 12:46.56 | alterego | Oh neat, /etc/operator_settings |
| 12:47.08 | alterego | That could be useful. |
| 12:47.41 | Venemo_N900 | :j |
| 12:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# osso-product-info |
| 12:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_HARDWARE='RX-51' |
| 12:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_NAME='N900' |
| 12:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_FULL_NAME='Nokia N900' |
| 12:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME='Maemo 5' |
| 12:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | NFC if that works any better, in sdk |
| 12:48.08 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: doesn't exist in scratchbox ;) |
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| 12:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, as there *is* no true veritable maemo release version in sdk |
| 12:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | you can try to get version of arm kernel, of arbitrary libs, of dunnowhat |
| 12:49.32 | alterego | I'd use /etc/maemo_version |
| 12:49.51 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: sounds okay |
| 12:50.01 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: thank you |
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| 12:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | does a "echo fusckdup_by_doc >/etc/maemo_version" on alterego's sdk |
| 12:50.24 | alterego | :P |
| 12:50.30 | alterego | Venemo_N900: wont work in madde though. |
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| 12:50.50 | alterego | Not sure if it's in DIABLO either .. |
| 12:51.03 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: hehe. |
| 12:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: you need to test for the particular property you're interested in, if you want to do compiletime ifdefs or whatever |
| 12:52.02 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: his problem isn't compile time, that's fine. |
| 12:52.06 | alterego | His problem is packaging :/ |
| 12:52.09 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: #ifdefs are already there in the code and they work |
| 12:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | if you want to use accelerometer, then it's nonsense to test for maemo version |
| 12:52.24 | alterego | He wants the M5 version to depend on a library that M4 doesn't have. |
| 12:52.30 | alterego | And compile on both. |
| 12:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | so test if the lib is there |
| 12:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | simple as that |
| 12:52.55 | alterego | Not when he's using the auto builder. |
| 12:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 12:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | so testing if there's "fsckdup_by_doc" in /etc/maemo_version is any simpler? |
| 12:54.10 | Venemo_N900 | nah |
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| 12:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | if you want to know about A, don't ask about B |
| 12:55.39 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I just wanna determine if I'm on fremantle or not. |
| 12:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | you're on sdk! |
| 12:55.58 | Venemo_N900 | right |
| 12:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | sdk is probably ubuntu |
| 12:56.21 | Venemo_N900 | fedora for me |
| 12:56.43 | Venemo_N900 | so checking for kernel version is totally worthless. |
| 12:56.57 | Venemo_N900 | it would find the fc14 kernel :P |
| 12:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | you either need to define what you're planning to do, by some config file, and teher you are free to have a '#def maemo-version 5' |
| 12:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | or you check if your sdk has some support for any particular bit, like .h for a lib |
| 12:58.44 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: the problem with the latter is that it'll not work on autobuilder |
| 12:58.58 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I'll do something like your former idea |
| 12:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's why it's nonsense per se |
| 12:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | an sdk may support maemo 3 4 5 6 meego and maybe even sybian |
| 13:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | you can't do conditional compiles based on properties of sdk |
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| 13:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | you can, but it's nonsense |
| 13:00.32 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: only one target can be selected at any time on an sdk. but you're right :) |
| 13:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | then test for the target, by whatever means the sdk provides |
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| 13:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'd go for proper makefile defs, then 'make maemo5', 'make maemo4' whatever |
| 13:02.19 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I'll just make a separate control file |
| 13:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 13:15.36 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: no messing with makefile needed |
| 13:15.50 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: qmake does that for me already |
| 13:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, fine |
| 13:16.03 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: this question was just about packaging |
| 13:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | so who's doing packaging for you? ;-) |
| 13:16.47 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I already did. |
| 13:17.17 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I however didn't realize that I'll need a separate control file for diablo |
| 13:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | and separate destination files so you don't overwrite previously built pkgs for !diablo |
| 13:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | so either you do a mere cd |
| 13:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | or you set a env var or sth like that |
| 13:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | or yu have a monster job that builds for all targets at once |
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| 13:49.31 | jonwil | yay, my ICD policy logging plugin is giving me some good information |
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| 13:50.27 | jonwil | and not only was I able to find a convenience store to sell me some Coca-Cola but my phone passed through various changes in network state in the process |
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| 13:53.29 | jonwil | Now I just need to find someone with access to 2 different WiFi networks to gain the missing pieces of info and I can attempt to write my new tool |
| 13:54.00 | jonwil | in the mean time, I will continue to work on reverse engineering libiap_conndlg.so |
| 13:55.39 | javispedro | morning gentlemen |
| 13:56.30 | jonwil | morning |
| 13:58.00 | jonwil | reverse engineering connectivity UI is fun :P |
| 13:58.15 | javispedro | jonwil: if you're doing ICD2 interesting work I have a icd2 network plugin that more or less replaces libicd_network_wlan.so and its propietary eap counterpart |
| 13:58.31 | javispedro | (using wpa_supplicant instead of osso-wlan-security) |
| 13:58.36 | javispedro | http://git.maemo.org/git/libicd-wpa/ |
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| 13:59.56 | jonwil | so its a drop-in replacement that replaces libicd_network_wlan.so, libicd_network_eap.so and osso-wlan-security package with your new plugin and the wpa_supplicant package? |
| 14:00.04 | javispedro | hardly drop-in, but yes. |
| 14:00.39 | javispedro | (it requires custom UI, IAP setting fields don't match, as mine's are just wpa_supplicant ones) |
| 14:00.59 | jonwil | but it has all the features of the Nokia setup? |
| 14:01.10 | javispedro | that I think of, yes. And more. |
| 14:01.25 | javispedro | (for ex all of wpasupplicant's protocols) |
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| 14:02.04 | jonwil | I wonder why Nokia went to the trouble of writing osso-wlan-security instead of just using wpa_supplicant |
| 14:02.12 | javispedro | my guess: symbian code. |
| 14:02.23 | javispedro | when the Eduroam/PAP mess happened, Symbian was affected too. |
| 14:03.37 | jonwil | My guess is that lots of the closed source middle-ware on Maemo is based on Symbian code (which is also closed) |
| 14:03.45 | jonwil | so things like icd and csd |
| 14:04.49 | javispedro | note that most of it was made for the 770. at that time, I could accept that the OSS alternatives you know these days where not fully usable. |
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| 14:05.05 | javispedro | (well, not csd) |
| 14:05.39 | jonwil | yeah thats also true |
| 14:06.36 | javispedro | oh, oh. |
| 14:06.50 | javispedro | grabs popcorn and heads straight to tmo after seeing Engadget today. |
| 14:07.12 | RST38h | javispedro: mostly screaming, some ritual suicides |
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| 14:07.24 | RST38h | javispedro: even spilled over here this morning |
| 14:07.26 | jonwil | damn, Symbian source code was available but now its not |
| 14:07.50 | RST38h | jonwil: still is, just need ot ask the right people |
| 14:08.05 | jonwil | who are the "right people"? |
| 14:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 14:08.54 | jacekowski | javispedro: dalvik thing? |
| 14:09.05 | henez | do you know the name of the h-e-n irc channel? |
| 14:09.11 | GAN900 | N900s are going to be in service for a long time if a slate is Nokia's first MeeGo device. |
| 14:09.17 | javispedro | jacekowski: nope, n9 cancelled thing. |
| 14:09.32 | Venemo_N900 | GAN900: slate? where do you get that from? |
| 14:09.47 | henez | DocScrutinizer, thx |
| 14:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 14:09.53 | jacekowski | javispedro: woot? |
| 14:10.03 | jacekowski | link |
| 14:10.03 | javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/nokia-kills-n9-00-its-first-meego-handset/ |
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| 14:10.11 | jacekowski | can you tinyurlit |
| 14:10.20 | jacekowski | my X are currently broken |
| 14:10.43 | javispedro | http://tinyurl.com/n9murder |
| 14:11.28 | javispedro | browsing Engadget without X11 is severely unrecommended though. |
| 14:11.48 | GAN900 | Frankly I think that spells trouble for Nokia. |
| 14:11.51 | javispedro | omg. memo from Elop. |
| 14:12.13 | javispedro | I guess I will need to start abusing the popcorn I was stocking for MWC today. |
| 14:12.33 | jacekowski | will there be anything to replace N9? |
| 14:12.41 | Corsac | N9 |
| 14:12.49 | jacekowski | ther will be no N9 |
| 14:12.49 | Corsac | (-01 vs. -00) |
| 14:12.52 | jacekowski | ah |
| 14:13.13 | Corsac | yeah, this isn't confusing at all |
| 14:13.20 | Corsac | and it could be worse, it could be rumors |
| 14:13.22 | Corsac | wait... |
| 14:13.52 | javispedro | Nokia the burning platform! |
| 14:14.10 | javispedro | Clearly, they have to pee into it to try and stop the flames instead of peeing in their pants to get warm. |
| 14:14.29 | Trewas | probably nokia will announce that "fuck it, we'll go back to making rubber boots" |
| 14:15.50 | javispedro | heh. |
| 14:15.54 | derf | It's better to be outside the tent pissing in when the tent is on fire? |
| 14:16.38 | javispedro | this Elop's guy is quite a Apple fanboy. |
| 14:16.53 | kirma | "our platform is on fire, but we can kill the fire if we team up - better than without a platform in freezing water" might be one attitude |
| 14:17.52 | kirma | it's hard to say if elop is total psycho or just scaring company folks first so that big, but less drastic changes than assumed can be accepted |
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| 14:18.15 | RST38h | derf: Apparently, it is better to drawn than to burn |
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| 14:18.57 | RST38h | derf: And yes, I think it was supposed to be some kind of those evangelical sermon stories, which make a point while not being real =) |
| 14:19.20 | kirma | big organizational reorg and dealing with fire would seem the most sane approach imho, but if elop goes to please american investors, doom is inevitable |
| 14:19.52 | RST38h | m00s for d00msday |
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| 14:20.17 | javispedro | waits for MeegoBoy to appear on #meego |
| 14:20.29 | RST38h | javispedro: you pervert =) |
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| 14:21.04 | kirma | the same oil rig story was told by alahuhta that was in executive board of nokia from 1993 to 2004 when he moved to lead kone corporation at 2006 |
| 14:21.24 | kirma | ... and elop and alahuhta sat next to each other on weekend in an ice hockey match. |
| 14:22.04 | LjL | any clue why my N810 might be ignoring the light sensor? i have installed "advanced-backlight", but i removed it later |
| 14:22.24 | MMN-o | I e-mailed Stephen Elop this morning about the Nokia N900 and Maemo, with the opinion that I'm definitely more happy with the N900 than an iPhone or Android phone: |
| 14:22.28 | MMN-o | http://blog.mmn-o.se/2011/02/09/mail-to-nokias-ceo-stephen-elop-about-n900/ |
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| 14:22.54 | MMN-o | He (or his secretary...) responded with a thank you for the note, so apparently it seems to reach someone. |
| 14:23.51 | MMN-o | I recommend people simply e-mailing their opinions on how Nokia can compete with free software against the iOS/Android platform |
| 14:24.15 | Jaffa | MMN-o: Right. That'll change Friday |
| 14:24.24 | Jaffa | ;-) |
| 14:24.41 | pupnik | what's all this "n9 canceled" chatter |
| 14:25.12 | javispedro | what Elop should do is like Amadeo I of Spain did: tell everyone "this country is fscking ungovernable" then quit. |
| 14:25.19 | Jaffa | pupnik: It's strongly rumoured that the OMAP3630 device (RM-680, probably) has been canned. Primarily cos releasing a single-core OMAP3 device in the middle of 2011 would be... sub-optimal for Nokia's new high-end OS offering |
| 14:25.29 | jonwil | Nokia switching to Android would be a major mistake IMO |
| 14:26.02 | Jaffa | jonwil: Yup. Not nimble or cheap enough to compete in the h/w stakes. |
| 14:26.15 | javispedro | Jaffa: specially with OMAP5 being in the pipeline already |
| 14:26.39 | jonwil | Even if Nokia had killer UX and UI on top of Android, they would still become just another Android OEM with a bunch of proprietary blobs |
| 14:26.49 | javispedro | remembers getting laughed a year ago when I suggested they should've gone it OMAP4 already.. |
| 14:27.05 | jonwil | and a bunch of guys on xda-developer trying to figure out how to get the Nokia blobs to work on their HTC or Samsung or Motorola |
| 14:28.00 | psycho_oreos | MMN-o, which email address you send that email to? |
| 14:28.25 | derf | Uh, OMAP4 wasn't even available a year ago? |
| 14:29.12 | javispedro | derf: see, but there OMAP4 devices already :) |
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| 14:30.39 | RST38h | javispedro: It does not count unless Amadeo shoots himself on national TV |
| 14:33.07 | kirma | harmattan work/early hardware was just planned on basis of omap3 (I believe omap4 samples worth putting into a phone just weren't around early enough) |
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| 14:34.07 | javispedro | RST38h: no TV back then (late 1800s). He did quickly escape the country, though. |
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| 14:34.19 | javispedro | =) |
| 14:36.26 | dm8tbr | derf: for values of available... |
| 14:36.49 | dm8tbr | omap4 is still not a TI catalogue part, still there are devices popping up with it |
| 14:37.52 | MMN-o | psycho_oreos: His name separated with dots. stephen.elop@nokia.com |
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| 14:40.48 | RST38h | javispedro: eh... |
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| 14:42.16 | dominikb | MMN-o: i have just sent an email to stephen elop similar to yours. let's hope that it has some impact. |
| 14:43.40 | jonwil | The more I use my N900, the more I am glad I didnt buy the HTC Desire Z or the Motorola Milestone (the only high-end GSM android handsets with physical keyboards AFAIK) |
| 14:43.40 | dneary | We got a new wiki sysop! |
| 14:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | MEH http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/01/31/well-be-right-back/ |
| 14:44.29 | jonwil | Although I will say that the chess AI on the N900 is starting to make me want to throw my phone across the room |
| 14:44.50 | pupnik | Jaffa: i really like the omap3630 but i think we could have a lot of fun with a dual-core device as well |
| 14:44.56 | pupnik | sorry 3640 |
| 14:45.11 | nidO | jonwil: too good? |
| 14:45.22 | pupnik | hope they go with a clicky keyboard instead of a mushy one though |
| 14:46.11 | pupnik | user-swappable, modular cameras and rear-batteries with integrated covers would be cool also |
| 14:46.15 | pupnik | something new |
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| 14:47.45 | nidO | tbh, its high time someone released a device with something as simple as user-swappable software, let alone hardware |
| 14:48.51 | MMN-o | dominikb: Great! Encourage others as well. This kind of lobbying usually works pretty well. |
| 14:49.23 | Appiah | ^^ |
| 14:49.38 | ccooke | jonwil: heh. I am currently using a desire Z, and I can agree with you :-) |
| 14:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | (releasing a single-core OMAP3 device in the middle of 2011 would be... sub-optimal) it's like OM. finish 98%, rethink, start from scratch, rinse, repeat |
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| 14:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | it's clearly more suboptimal to postpone / cancel N9-00 |
| 14:51.32 | ccooke | jonwil: Android *is* a slicker OS. The app model is much more mature and the security model has better user control. There's also the better responsiveness of a capacitive screen (although accuracy...) Everything *does* feel more polished. But it just doesn't work as well as the n900 :-/ |
| 14:51.38 | nidO | it depends on your definition of cancelling, though. |
| 14:51.51 | RST38h | ccooke: Android, at the OS level, is a freaking disaster. |
| 14:51.59 | nidO | cancelling that particular specific hardware iteration to replace it very quickly with something similar and with upgraded specs |
| 14:51.59 | RST38h | ccooke: Sorry, to state the obvious |
| 14:52.04 | ccooke | RST38h: indeed. I've been poking about it. |
| 14:52.13 | nidO | is massively quicker to get to market once the os itll ship with is actually finished |
| 14:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 14:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: you worked in R&D as an EE how long? |
| 14:52.57 | ccooke | RST38h: The reason I picked up an Android phone is to give it an other chance. It's... just not as good. |
| 14:53.09 | ccooke | Although part of that is that nokia are better at building handsets. |
| 14:53.24 | jonwil | Nokia are VERY good at making rock solid hardware IMO |
| 14:53.57 | nidO | DocScrutinizer: empirical evidence clearly agrees with me. no-one's said that upgrading the hardware is a 2 minute job, but its still a shite-sight quicker than having to wait for meego to be written from scratch, which is supposedly what the holdup's been for the past 8 months |
| 14:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: but they will need some 6 to 12 months nevertheless for that, minimum |
| 14:54.13 | RST38h | nid0: Please provide references of your empirical evidence |
| 14:54.29 | RST38h | Oh, shit, this is fun: I can now troll tmo lemmings right here, on IRC! |
| 14:54.42 | ccooke | the desire z is a very nice *looking* phone, but... the audio quality is quieter and not as good. It doesn't have as good reception. The wifi drains more power than it should. Oh, and in areas where the n900 gets decent GSM/3g bandwidth, it keeps failing :-/ |
| 14:55.40 | ccooke | RST38h: (also... why should you be sorry to state the obvious?) |
| 14:55.51 | jonwil | #1 reason for picking the N900 over the Android options is that the N900 doesn't fight you when you want to modify system stuff |
| 14:55.58 | RST38h | ccooke: because it is waste of electrons |
| 14:56.07 | noodles900 | how do I copy a short piece of text from a webpage? |
| 14:56.09 | libben | ill take its allready been posted in here? http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/02/08/alien-dalvik-brings-android-apps-to-meego-and-all-other-devices/ |
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| 14:56.17 | ccooke | RST38h: so is this entire conversation. Might as well enjoy it :-) |
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| 14:57.02 | rm_work | noodles900: click outside the screen on the bottom left side and drag inwards, it should give you a little cursor icon you can click to switch to text select mode |
| 14:57.22 | jonwil | Just need to find someone with access to multiple WiFi networks and then I can gather the last info I need in order to write libicd_policy_wlan_home.so |
| 14:58.13 | rm_work | noodles900: err, off the left hand side of the screen, but vertically somewhere below the halfway mark |
| 15:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | or simply http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures |
| 15:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: noodles900 ^^^ |
| 15:00.24 | RST38h | "Surgeons recently needed to remove some pieces in his head because his body rejected one of the three titanium posts implanted there." |
| 15:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 15:01.01 | rm_work | ah yes, that too :P I'm usually in favor of giving simple answers :) |
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| 15:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'm in favour of giving instructions how to learn things |
| 15:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | rather than teach them |
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| 15:02.17 | ccooke | DocScrutinizer: it's generally the best way. But you do need to teach people how to learn, first :-) |
| 15:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's by try and error, and Darwin and sarcasm do the rest |
| 15:03.11 | RST38h | Doc: Good place to start would be by removing all the warning /safety labels |
| 15:05.08 | rm_work | yeah, warning labels on everything make me want to stab things sometimes |
| 15:05.13 | rm_work | just to even out the score |
| 15:05.58 | rm_work | on a giant knife: "warning, sharp. may cause injury if handled improperly." |
| 15:07.17 | Cor-Ai | warning labels <3 |
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| 15:09.25 | GAN900 | rm_work, you've obviously not worked enough retail to know how stupid most people are. ;) |
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| 15:09.49 | GAN900 | And ridiculously litigious, too. |
| 15:10.02 | RST38h | GAN900: Stupid is good. Uncle Chuck will take care of the stupid. |
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| 15:10.17 | GAN900 | RST38h, he needs to get on that. |
| 15:10.39 | RST38h | GAN900: Just to be sure, I suggest US switches to 220V, which will also avoid unnecessary litigation in the electrocution cases |
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| 15:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | adobe with another security update on reader, arcrobat, and flash \o/ |
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| 15:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | risk: high. code execution in cotect of user. http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb11-02.html |
| 15:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'm so happy maemo doesn't have this crappy flash10¡ |
| 15:16.48 | NIN101 | Okay. This morning I really wasn't myself. So through USB networking and sshfs I mounted / of the N900 to /mnt/ on my laptop. Then I typed - like an idiot - chown -R [username] /mnt/ because I forgot that I had / mounted on it. Of course I received errors like hell... The point is, the lock code was reseted to 12345 and I can't change it anymore. A bit strange. Everything else seems to work. What can I do? |
| 15:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 15:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | muhahahaha |
| 15:17.50 | NIN101 | yeah xD |
| 15:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | nice find though |
| 15:18.03 | merlin1991 | well, chown it again on the phone as root |
| 15:18.09 | NIN101 | I already did |
| 15:18.09 | merlin1991 | or reflash I'd say |
| 15:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | reflash |
| 15:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | you *could* do a nifty chmod to set all files in /mnt to the perms of /mnt2 same file |
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| 15:21.01 | smhar | grettings |
| 15:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | chmod [OPTION]... --reference=RFILE FILE |
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| 15:21.50 | kerio | wut? nokia cancelled the n9? |
| 15:21.52 | kerio | :| |
| 15:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | toss that into -exec of a find command, together with some err sed or basename or similar |
| 15:22.10 | smhar | is it possible to 'automatically' activate bluetooth when I make or accept voice calls and deactivate when I end the call? |
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| 15:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: rumours |
| 15:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: somebody declared this a virtual Friday |
| 15:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: hmm, probably yes |
| 15:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: start at dbus-script app, then check how to enable/disable BT |
| 15:23.55 | smhar | docscrutinizer, this way I can still use the bluetooth headset while saving the battery life |
| 15:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | meh, BT is really humble with power |
| 15:24.40 | smhar | docscrutinizer, even if it is on all the day? |
| 15:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | esp when no headset paired, which you'd need to do manually (switch on headset) anyway |
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| 15:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: I guess as long as it's not 'visible' it should be really low power usage |
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| 15:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: wait a minute, I'll run a quick check |
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| 15:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: BT active and visible: +2..+8mA |
| 15:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | most of the time +2..+3 |
| 15:41.14 | NIN101 | Ok thx, I will keep fighting against this problem, and as last solution, reflash... Going to strace controlpanel now, maybe I will see something like write(x, "you are stupid", x) hahaha. |
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| 15:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: visible or not, doesn't make a difference |
| 15:42.38 | smhar | docscrutinizer, meaning always low battery use? |
| 15:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | this all without headset paired |
| 15:44.10 | smhar | docscrutinizer, good, as my current headphone (cable) is damaged and I was thinking of getting a bluetooth one, but was worried about battery |
| 15:46.58 | smhar | I only need now to free enough space in rootfs to be able to upgrade my N900 :-) |
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| 15:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_the_battery_monitor_chip. |
| 15:52.44 | smhar | thanks docscrutinizer |
| 15:52.57 | Gh0sty | http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/us-nokia-meego-idUSTRE71832O20110209 |
| 15:53.13 | Gh0sty | will that be the end of nokia or the start of nokia with android ... :p |
| 15:53.17 | yacc | Is it okay to remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr? |
| 15:53.49 | yacc | Installing libsdl-mixer1.2 1:1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3 has this side effect, .. |
| 15:54.45 | jacekowski | it is |
| 15:55.07 | jacekowski | but i think it messes up OTA updates |
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| 15:55.48 | yacc | I don't do OTA updates anyway, disabled that bullshit anyway, the only updates that happen when it is hooked up via USB and I do apt-get ;) |
| 15:56.19 | jacekowski | that's OTA |
| 15:56.32 | jacekowski | non ota == flashing |
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| 16:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | errm, that's SSU actually, though OTA feels like a valid synonym |
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| 16:10.56 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/googles-vic-gundotra-on-nokia-two-turkeys-do-not-make-an-eagl/ |
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| 16:20.15 | noodles900 | rm_work: not sure what I'm looking for |
| 16:20.48 | rm_work | did you see the page DocScrutinizer linked? about gestures? |
| 16:21.08 | noodles900 | rm_work: sorry - no |
| 16:21.25 | noodles900 | gprs froze :( |
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| 16:21.28 | rm_work | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures |
| 16:21.36 | rm_work | look at browser gestures |
| 16:22.21 | noodles900 | thanks - waiting for that page to load now ;) |
| 16:24.18 | noodles900 | cute :) |
| 16:24.28 | noodles900 | seems to work :) |
| 16:24.45 | noodles900 | thanks rm_work & DocScrutinizer |
| 16:24.55 | rm_work | np |
| 16:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 16:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: darn, it *must* be Friday and just I missed the fact. IRC and interwebs are like Friday at least |
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| 16:26.33 | chem|st | Gh0sty: neither, WP7 or meego/harmattan is ready after 12 month (that all people forget about that nokians said in february last year that harmattan will be the migrating step and still be .deb based) |
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| 16:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | and harmattan evidently is in tester evaluation phase |
| 16:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | so will roll out eventually |
| 16:28.29 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: evidently? |
| 16:28.42 | TomaszD | is there evidence? |
| 16:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | evidently, as otherwise how would nokia testers ask for maemo details here in this chan, mentioning that they are missing this or that as they are running harmattan |
| 16:30.00 | TomaszD | so harmattan is still debian based right? |
| 16:30.21 | Gh0sty | harmattan? |
| 16:30.23 | Gh0sty | whats that? |
| 16:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | errm, maemo6 |
| 16:30.41 | chem|st | Gh0sty: m6 |
| 16:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | or sth like that |
| 16:30.43 | chem|st | ^^ |
| 16:30.48 | Gh0sty | they still work on that? |
| 16:30.54 | Gh0sty | I tought that was stopped? :/ |
| 16:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | evidently |
| 16:31.00 | chem|st | nokia-meego-one |
| 16:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | meego HE |
| 16:31.20 | Gh0sty | or what did i read recently .. something like n900 is officially EOL and maemo would not be updated for N900 either |
| 16:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | aka maemo-meego-hybrid |
| 16:31.47 | Gh0sty | and the community was going to take over |
| 16:31.53 | Gh0sty | that should be you then DocScrutinizer ? :p |
| 16:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 16:32.16 | chem|st | Gh0sty: read again, there will no Nokia driven maemo6/meego1 for n900 but they will support the community to port it |
| 16:32.18 | Gh0sty | or wait no ... you are not taking over ... you are already doing that anyway :P |
| 16:33.00 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you got a link handy for tester eval? |
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| 16:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | no f'ng clue what's a tester eval |
| 16:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you mean http://nokia.taleo.net |
| 16:35.10 | Gh0sty | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
| 16:35.15 | Gh0sty | who is working on this ? :) |
| 16:35.20 | Gh0sty | thats the question :P |
| 16:35.46 | MohammadAG | merlin1991 |
| 16:35.46 | MohammadAG | I did update it with the second version the other day though |
| 16:36.00 | yacc | Well, I wonder when Nokia will manage to figure out a plan what to do, and when they'll manage to communicate it to the public, ... |
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| 16:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: they never do (at least the 2nd half) |
| 16:36.45 | yacc | lol |
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| 16:37.17 | chem|st | 17:28 < DocScrutinizer> and harmattan evidently is in tester evaluation phase |
| 16:37.19 | yacc | Well, that's a good policy when you are the biggest bully in the sandbox, but this is quickly changing, ... |
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| 16:37.56 | Gh0sty | Shapeshifter: here? |
| 16:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-02-07.log.html#t2011-02-07T21:11:18 and http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-19.log.html#t2011-01-19T21:50:53 |
| 16:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ^^^ |
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| 16:44.37 | noodles900 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466 |
| 16:45.02 | noodles900 | new boss is taking it seriously? |
| 16:46.45 | Dado7 | hi people, mi n900 dont read memory cards ( I dont know where is the problem.. ) and i think install meggo in mi n900, can i particion memory intern and install meego and have 2 operatid system ? |
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| 16:47.43 | yacc | Dado7, well, the sdhc slot only works when the backcover is in place, ... |
| 16:47.59 | yacc | noodles900, yeah, one feels so happy reading that kind of press ;( |
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| 16:52.20 | Dado7 | sorry for muy english....., you speak spanish ? backcover is in plACE ? what is the backover ? |
| 16:52.37 | jacekowski | backcover |
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| 16:52.56 | jacekowski | cover on the back of a phone |
| 16:55.58 | yacc | Basically when you open the phone to change SIM card, battery or SDHC card, the N900 senses that, and disables (unmounts if possible I guess) the SDHC card. |
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| 16:57.33 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ok harmattan^^ |
| 16:57.41 | lirakis_ | ha ha ha ha !!!! the truth comes out ... nokia admits they suck giant donkey penis ..... http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/08/nokias-elop-drops-bomb-the-platform-is-on-fire |
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| 16:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | lirakis_: *YAWN* |
| 17:00.06 | chem|st | grabs popcorn |
| 17:00.24 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 17:01.16 | yacc | Wow, as anybody here would try to claim that all is a perfect in Nokialand ;) |
| 17:01.16 | chem|st | bunch of ignorant people... watching them is like daily-soap |
| 17:01.45 | kerio | fwiw i really want a n9 |
| 17:01.56 | chem|st | kerio: then buy one! |
| 17:02.12 | xDaReaperx | when it comes out ! |
| 17:03.11 | chem|st | .oO(wanting stuff you do not even know the hardware specs yet is just like buying iphones and think you will be more compatible to the world afterwards) |
| 17:03.41 | yacc | The problem is that with Nokia currently it's like all "when" turn subconsciously into "if" :( |
| 17:03.49 | MohammadAG | was the N9 announced or sth? |
| 17:04.08 | chem|st | MohammadAG: nope |
| 17:04.13 | yacc | A N900 with a slightly bigger screen would be nice, ... |
| 17:04.24 | xDaReaperx | 3.5 aint big ? |
| 17:05.21 | kerio | chem|st: the n9 will be the shit |
| 17:05.25 | chem|st | yacc: I would prefer a docking station and a car mount.... |
| 17:05.26 | kerio | true story |
| 17:05.36 | chem|st | kerio: no it wont |
| 17:05.53 | kerio | IT WILL |
| 17:05.58 | kerio | i said "true story" |
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| 17:06.04 | chem|st | capacitive screen is just a no-go |
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| 17:06.57 | MohammadAG | Umm |
| 17:07.03 | MohammadAG | who hired Elop? |
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| 17:07.28 | meegomaniak | Wow didya guys hear |
| 17:07.35 | TiagoTiago | under Windows or Linux, is there a program out there that will let me copy lots of files at once, with the important detail that only source files bigger than destination files will overwrite preexisting files in the destination? |
| 17:07.44 | meegomaniak | Did you read reuters??? Nokia cancelled a meego device |
| 17:07.57 | MohammadAG | did you see tmo? that was last week |
| 17:08.05 | TiagoTiago | little bit off-topic, i know |
| 17:08.06 | nidO | TiagoTiago: bigger, or just newly edited? |
| 17:08.12 | TiagoTiago | bigger |
| 17:08.17 | TiagoTiago | regardless of date |
| 17:08.19 | xDaReaperx | meegomaniak: yep |
| 17:08.49 | meegomaniak | Huge news |
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| 17:09.10 | TiagoTiago | feared but expected |
| 17:09.31 | chem|st | meegomaniak: wrong channel and no news |
| 17:09.37 | Gadgetoid | In just 10 words, can anyone tell me why I should turn on the N900 I've got knocking about and do something cool with it? |
| 17:09.55 | meegomaniak | Doesnt bode well for the future i'm guessing |
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| 17:10.13 | chem|st | Gadgetoid: ? |
| 17:10.19 | meegomaniak | Gadgetoid: how about one word: don't |
| 17:10.21 | TiagoTiago | Because you can? |
| 17:10.22 | Gadgetoid | chem|st: I've lost touch! |
| 17:10.25 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid: sell it on ebay, and buy a duck. |
| 17:10.27 | Proteous | in 10 words or less can someone tell Gadgetoid that he is a troll? |
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| 17:10.42 | Gadgetoid | I don't know what's happened lately with the N900 |
| 17:10.44 | meegomaniak | Gadgetoid: dont worry about the hostility here |
| 17:10.55 | chem|st | Gadgetoid: two words? marble communitySSU... |
| 17:11.06 | Gadgetoid | meegomaniak: I'm used to it... I think I failed at phrasing my request |
| 17:11.21 | TiagoTiago | there is a driver for packet injection, that helps? |
| 17:11.35 | meegomaniak | Gadgetoid: if you dont praise the N900 the maemo nazis will ban you. |
| 17:11.36 | chem|st | meegomaniak: you dont know me hostile |
| 17:11.51 | chem|st | meegomaniak: godwin's law... |
| 17:11.57 | Gadgetoid | meegomaniak: Hahaha, I was certainly not putting it down... I just want to know what's new ;) |
| 17:13.00 | meegomaniak | Gadgetoid: ok. Unfortunately when it comes to the n900 it would appear it's dying a slow death. |
| 17:13.01 | TiagoTiago | how long have you been gone? |
| 17:13.19 | Gadgetoid | meegomaniak: Yeah, I expected that... nokia don't seem to be missing the one I have lying around |
| 17:13.34 | Gadgetoid | That's usually a good sign that it's been left for dead |
| 17:13.40 | TiagoTiago | it's one of the borrowed prototypes? |
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| 17:13.48 | meegomaniak | Gadgetoid: correct. |
| 17:13.49 | MohammadAG | Nokia pulled the plug the day PR1.3 was released |
| 17:13.50 | Gadgetoid | TiagoTiago: Nope, it's a retail unit |
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| 17:14.05 | MohammadAG | but really, why should you care? |
| 17:14.21 | TiagoTiago | why would they miss one device you legally acquired? |
| 17:14.59 | Gadgetoid | I still have my N810, too... it's still awesome, but I can't find a reason to power it up |
| 17:15.00 | Gadgetoid | Well, apart, AHEM, from this awesome community, of course |
| 17:15.20 | TiagoTiago | how long have you been gone? |
| 17:15.24 | meegomaniak | What was the point of nokia giving out n900 to developers when it was a dying platform? |
| 17:15.26 | Gadgetoid | MohammadAG: I like a good excuse to waste time tinkering with gadgetry :D |
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| 17:17.04 | Proteous | it wasn't a dying platform when they were were giving them out... |
| 17:17.06 | TiagoTiago | it was probably a the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing situation i guess |
| 17:17.38 | Gadgetoid | Here's hoping I can jam the n900 into the iControlPad |
| 17:17.44 | TiagoTiago | either that or some people got fired/hired and they wanna get rid of all signs of the previous regime..... |
| 17:18.46 | meegomaniak | I hate this BS spinned by the nokia mouthpieces on TMO that the n900 could be used to develop for meego. What a crack of baloney. |
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| 17:21.52 | Gadgetoid | plugs in the n900 to charge |
| 17:22.02 | Gadgetoid | What's Meego like on the n900, anyway!? |
| 17:22.13 | meegomaniak | Gadgetoid: utter crap |
| 17:22.36 | Gadgetoid | meegomaniak: shame :( |
| 17:23.01 | kerio | MohammadAG: what would be the course of action for a new n900 reflash as of now? |
| 17:23.11 | kerio | flash pr1.3, update everything, then cssu? |
| 17:23.19 | Gadgetoid | I really liked the n900 as a piece of hardware, but it lost out to the iPhone 4 |
| 17:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | meegomaniak: please stop telling BS. For the "not missing" A) you don't know if they come to you in 12 months asking for it. B) it's much more expensive to reclaim a device than to produce a new one |
| 17:23.40 | chem|st | kerio: yes |
| 17:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | darn this MUST be Friday today |
| 17:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 17:24.29 | meegomaniak | Docscrutinizer: BS??? Care to explain? |
| 17:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | meegomaniak: I did in very same post line |
| 17:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | just read |
| 17:25.19 | Gadgetoid | My brain has esplode |
| 17:25.36 | wmarone | DocScrutinizer: ignore him, he got banned from #meego for being needlessly antagonistic and uncooperative |
| 17:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 17:25.58 | meegomaniak | docscrutinizer: how is that referring to me????? I didnt tell anybody 'not missing'. You're confused. |
| 17:25.59 | wmarone | he'll just keep this crap up for hours on end |
| 17:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | well, trolls chatting with trolls, my dream |
| 17:26.38 | meegomaniak | Wmarone: hello mate, have we met? |
| 17:26.52 | wmarone | yes, MeegoBoy |
| 17:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | meegomaniak: OK, sorry, that's been Gadgetoid |
| 17:27.12 | wmarone | or are you unfamiliar with the fact that your whois is exactly the same as yesterday? |
| 17:27.15 | meegomaniak | Wmarone: i beg your pardon? |
| 17:27.23 | meegomaniak | Docscrutinizer: thank you. |
| 17:27.25 | Gadgetoid | I can't figure out whether or not I'm being called a troll... so I'm just going to slink away and look through the repos |
| 17:27.29 | TiagoTiago | did i miss the msg or no one answered my question about conditional overwriting? |
| 17:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | wmarone: ssshhhhhhh! |
| 17:28.26 | meegomaniak | Please let's all take a deep breath - no name calling please. We're all free to express our opinions. |
| 17:28.36 | xDaReaperx | the N900's temperature should not rise upto 40 C right ? |
| 17:28.41 | xDaReaperx | is that too high ? |
| 17:28.52 | wmarone | xDaReaperx: what on earth are you doing? |
| 17:28.58 | xDaReaperx | i think thats the batteries temp ? |
| 17:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | meegomaniak: please refrain from posting such very wise general advice |
| 17:29.01 | xDaReaperx | nothing |
| 17:29.16 | kerio | meegomaniak: no we're... not? |
| 17:29.17 | xDaReaperx | when i charge it usually goes high |
| 17:29.32 | xDaReaperx | uhm charge and surf the net that is |
| 17:29.34 | kerio | internet is not a democracy, IRC is not a democracy, freenode is not a democracy and #maemo *definetely* is not a democracy |
| 17:29.56 | meegomaniak | Docscrutinizer: i have 3 very important words for you to ponder: freedom of speech |
| 17:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: the temp as seen in some monitors? Is usually die (chip) temp of charger chip, and doesn't mean a lot |
| 17:30.07 | Gadgetoid | kerio: What is it, a camel!? |
| 17:30.14 | kerio | meegomaniak: again, doesn't apply here |
| 17:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | meegomaniak: second warning |
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| 17:30.31 | chem|st | meegomaniak: 6 words... up the shut fsck you must |
| 17:30.34 | xDaReaperx | DocScrutinizer : oh okay yeah i was checking it out in QCPUFreq |
| 17:30.40 | Gadgetoid | =/ why do people think freedom of speech applies to forums and IRC channels!? |
| 17:30.43 | xDaReaperx | now its 29C |
| 17:31.06 | meegomaniak | XdaReaperx: way too high... |
| 17:31.20 | xDaReaperx | i dunno it dosent go any less here |
| 17:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: somewhere near 130° it will shut down charging ;-D |
| 17:31.27 | TiagoTiago | it applies, the governament can't punish you for stuff you say there :P |
| 17:31.29 | meegomaniak | XdaReaperx: mine never reached that |
| 17:31.46 | xDaReaperx | you mean 29 C ? |
| 17:31.50 | meegomaniak | XdaReaperx: something wrong with the circuitry |
| 17:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | meegomaniak: nonsense |
| 17:32.04 | xDaReaperx | lol i'm scared now |
| 17:32.10 | meegomaniak | Docscrutinizer: why? Just a suggestion |
| 17:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: ignore that |
| 17:32.17 | xDaReaperx | ok |
| 17:32.20 | Gadgetoid | TiagoTiago: true, I suppose, but you've no freedom to speak out in ways that ops find objectionable... that's a simple fact of maintaining a pleasant, structured place to talk about a specific topic |
| 17:32.26 | meegomaniak | XdaReaperx: flash your n900 clean |
| 17:32.36 | kerio | can we please kickban him |
| 17:32.42 | ieatlint | meegomaniak: what happened to you? canadians are usually so polite? |
| 17:32.43 | meegomaniak | Kerio: why? |
| 17:32.56 | meegomaniak | Ieatlint: we are, just as Elop is |
| 17:33.06 | Gadgetoid | Does anyone here use Flux (the crazy screen warming/adjusting application)? |
| 17:33.13 | TiagoTiago | technicly you do have that freedom, but the moderators etc also got the freedom to ban your ass |
| 17:33.19 | DocScrutinizer | meegomaniak: LAST warning. Stop BS like suggesting somebody a full flash to fix an inexistent problem! |
| 17:33.24 | meegomaniak | TiagoTiago: of course |
| 17:33.26 | ieatlint | meegomaniak: no, you must have mistaken asshole with politeness |
| 17:34.02 | meegomaniak | Ieatlint: nice language ... Show me once where i abused somebody like you just did |
| 17:34.20 | chem|st | still godwin's law applies... |
| 17:34.23 | ieatlint | no, you were more indirect |
| 17:34.29 | ieatlint | i just went straight for it |
| 17:34.32 | Gadgetoid | Yeeesh... I feel like one mis-phrased request for juicy Maemo news has sparked a fire of passive aggressive trollism |
| 17:34.34 | meegomaniak | Ieatlint: wrong |
| 17:34.40 | chem|st | does not matter what you say anymore |
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| 17:35.15 | meegomaniak | Dont I have a right to express my opinion without offending anyone in particular? |
| 17:35.19 | ieatlint | well, i feel i was pretty direct at least |
| 17:35.22 | chx_afk | meegomaniak: you dont |
| 17:35.28 | chx_afk | meegomaniak: you are mistaken if you think you are |
| 17:35.33 | meegomaniak | Chx_afk: i do |
| 17:35.38 | chem|st | meegomaniak: calling people in here nazis... |
| 17:35.41 | chx_afk | meegomaniak: this is not a public place |
| 17:35.50 | chx_afk | meegomaniak: freedom of speech does not apply. |
| 17:36.17 | meegomaniak | Chx_afk: did you not understand that was a joke when i said nazis? Subtle humour my friend. |
| 17:36.21 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 17:36.28 | merlin1991 | hey venemo :D |
| 17:36.29 | chx_afk | meegomaniak: DocScrutinizer is imo too patient with you. |
| 17:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'll put an end to this now |
| 17:36.40 | Venemo | hello merlin1991 :) |
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| 17:36.46 | Gadgetoid | The true impact of the term "nazis" seems to have been lost, everyone thinks the war was "half a decade" ago, and the only people who talk about it anymore are old and jewish... it's sad... we're doomed to forget our past and thus repeat it... errr... sorry, I went off a bit there |
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| 17:36.57 | Venemo | meegomaniak: hey! who're you? |
| 17:37.09 | chem|st | meegomaniak: ok then one more... YOU ARE NOT FUNNY! |
| 17:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | it's finshed, please move on. Nothing to see here |
| 17:37.57 | chx_afk | can we get back to our beloved, abandoned by the powers up high OS? :) |
| 17:38.18 | TiagoTiago | there actually still are some real nazis out there, they just don't got the same level of military power as they once did |
| 17:38.24 | Gadgetoid | The whole free world united to fight for their freedom... what have we got to show for that these days? The best we can do is leave the protesting up to misguided internet hacker groups whilst we sit on our laurels and discuss why the world is going to hell whilst we sit on our laurels... |
| 17:38.47 | TiagoTiago | oh, sorry, took too long writing, please nvm me if necessary |
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| 17:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid: please check repositories and #maemo-ssu for quite a bit of news about a quite vivid zombie |
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| 17:42.27 | Gadgetoid | DocScrutinizer: ssu, eh? that's cropped up recently then, because I have no idea what it means. A focussed community effort to keep the maemo flame alive, I presume? |
| 17:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | Seamless Software Update, and CSSU for Community-SSU |
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| 17:47.29 | Gadgetoid | DocScrutinizer: Think I might install it, and see how it goes... as this n900 isn't mission critical, it's worth a try |
| 17:49.38 | henez | Hi |
| 17:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid: we even got USB hostmode to work |
| 17:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid: something Nokia claimed was completely impossible on N900 |
| 17:50.15 | henez | I'm using an external device with the host mode and I get this error: ENOSPC28/* No space left on device */ |
| 17:50.18 | Gadgetoid | DocScrutinizer: Nice work! I didn't really use it on the N810 for much, but it's handy to hook up an external hard drive for music |
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| 17:50.59 | henez | it's a camera |
| 17:51.25 | henez | has anyone ever had this type of error? |
| 17:52.01 | villager | henez: yes, every time my disk got full... |
| 17:52.13 | villager | henez: you should probably say what you're trying to do... |
| 17:52.15 | henez | villager, :D |
| 17:52.22 | henez | I'm trying to make this camera work |
| 17:52.26 | henez | with the n900 |
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| 17:52.42 | villager | but what exactly gave that error? |
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| 17:52.54 | TiagoTiago | well, i'm heading off, cya |
| 17:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | cya TiagoTiago |
| 17:53.19 | henez | debugging and debugging I find out that the error is due to this |
| 17:53.41 | henez | do you know if anyone has succeed to make a camera work with the n900? |
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| 18:00.17 | Gadgetoid | Cripes. I don't even have PR1.3 installed yet |
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| 18:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I made cameras work with N900 - these were via HTTP in a flash plugin though, and were streamed via WLAN and internet. If your camera is doing the same streaming, then there's no reason why it wouldn't work via USB |
| 18:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | usually a random "webcam" isn't working like that though. You'll need a proper driver, and you need to start an app that reads from that driver and does whatever useful thing to the video data, like displaying on screen, storing to disk, whatever |
| 18:02.50 | Gadgetoid | Hm. No UK variant of PR 1.3. Global it is, then! |
| 18:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | global FTW |
| 18:04.34 | ieatlint | "wtf labolg" is that in reverse, and it's awesome |
| 18:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 18:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~reverse wtf labolg |
| 18:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 18:05.31 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 18:06.16 | henez | DocScrutinizer, uhm |
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| 18:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | henez: I suggest you make the cam work on your linux desktop PC, check what it needs to do so (which driver, which app), then get or port those driver and app bits to/on maemo, and odds are you're fine with that |
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| 18:08.49 | henez | yep |
| 18:08.56 | GAN900 | Talk was more entertaining when there were intelligent people in the mix. |
| 18:08.57 | henez | in my computer works |
| 18:09.06 | henez | it doesn't work with the n900 |
| 18:09.10 | GAN900 | Now it's not so fun watching a bunch of people be wrong on the Internet. |
| 18:09.24 | Proteous | heh |
| 18:09.24 | henez | the camera is recognised because the leds are on |
| 18:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: shal I -q some of the intelligent people? ;-P |
| 18:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | henez: LEDs not always mean much. This can just signal a working +5V |
| 18:12.14 | henez | DocScrutinizer, kk |
| 18:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | henez: I still fail to get it where from you got that error msg |
| 18:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | henez: where does it show up? when does it show up? |
| 18:13.32 | henez | it shows up during the initialization of the device |
| 18:13.52 | henez | I'm not able to get any frames |
| 18:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | henez: I do not know when the device is initializing |
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| 18:14.19 | henez | uhm |
| 18:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | and I still miss to understand where it shows and who's throwing that error |
| 18:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | henez: please pretend you're stupid, and explain in *simple* words what you do, see, and plan to do |
| 18:15.22 | henez | it's hard to explain without see the code |
| 18:15.43 | henez | maybe I need to copy it |
| 18:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | why do you need any code? |
| 18:16.21 | henez | to explain better |
| 18:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | you need a DRIVER, and something like a lengthy commandline to gstreamer |
| 18:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | your device to use most likely is /dev/video2 |
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| 18:17.21 | henez | uhm got it |
| 18:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | so you use that device to stream the video to e.g your screen |
| 18:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | if that's working you can start developing whatever nifty app using same device |
| 18:17.59 | henez | ok |
| 18:18.08 | henez | thanks |
| 18:18.13 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, we lost IQ critical mass. So all of the old guard moved here or elsewhere. |
| 18:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/video2 will show up automatically if you got the proper *driver* for that cam |
| 18:18.25 | henez | uhm ok |
| 18:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | henez: so check what driver exactly is the one used on your x86 PC, for that cam |
| 18:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | then get that driver on maemo... profit |
| 18:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: no, *I* lost critical IQ mass |
| 18:20.16 | henez | ok |
| 18:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | probably during last booze |
| 18:20.33 | henez | DocScrutinizer, I m using that driver on maemo |
| 18:20.44 | henez | I ported it |
| 18:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | oh, ok. So does it work? |
| 18:21.17 | henez | no, there is that error :D |
| 18:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | in syslog? |
| 18:21.32 | henez | it's that I was talking about.. I have not explained myself well sorry |
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| 18:21.54 | henez | I get that error debugging |
| 18:22.02 | henez | it's an errno message |
| 18:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | my suggestion still applies: please pretend you're stupid, and explain in *simple* words what you do, see, and plan to do |
| 18:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | and esp what you did |
| 18:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | nobody will be able to help you unless we can reproduce your exact steps taken |
| 18:25.36 | henez | you're right |
| 18:26.43 | henez | I'm going home unfortunately |
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| 18:27.00 | henez | thank you |
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| 18:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | what's that eduroam thing? |
| 18:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | as in menos@eduroam-wireless-pat3.wireless.bris.ac.uk |
| 18:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | roaming on campus? |
| 18:29.01 | Gadgetoid | Woo... now installing community SSU |
| 18:29.35 | mece | palm is announcing |
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| 18:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | is announcing... (eliptic statement?) |
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| 18:31.01 | mece | well we don't yet know what :) |
| 18:31.07 | mece | since it's not announced yet. |
| 18:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | oh, so they announced they're going to announce? |
| 18:31.57 | mece | well they are having some kind of whatever it is you have when you announce new products and whatnot |
| 18:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | red ears? |
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| 18:32.34 | mece | yesterday I was excited about what nokia was gonna say friday, Now I'm scared. |
| 18:32.41 | mece | DocScrutinizer, LOL right. |
| 18:33.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'm already bored |
| 18:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | whatever they annouce, it can't get worse |
| 18:34.03 | luke-jr | they're going to announce that they will be announcing a new product soon. |
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| 18:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | s/ annouce/'re going to say/ |
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| 18:35.28 | Gadgetoid | Community SSU installed... I think |
| 18:35.48 | Gadgetoid | Wonder what I did with my USB gender changer |
| 18:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, they could say they're going to shut down garage and wiki in the afternoon - that'd be actually worse than what it's now |
| 18:36.15 | Gadgetoid | DocScrutinizer: !!! don't even think it! |
| 18:36.54 | Gadgetoid | Who the hell operates Maemo.org, anyway? |
| 18:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia, mostly? |
| 18:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | though it's hosted elsewhere |
| 18:37.54 | Gadgetoid | *tremble* |
| 18:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | tmo is completely separate, as it's been tablettalk formerly |
| 18:38.31 | mece | apparently they killed off the palm brand... O.o |
| 18:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | Hewlett Palmard? |
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| 18:39.41 | mece | hehe |
| 18:39.49 | mece | HP Pre3 for summer apparently. |
| 18:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | Historically Palm Pre3 ;-D |
| 18:40.26 | mece | yep |
| 18:41.01 | mece | hp touchpad http://www.flickr.com/photos/webosroundup/5431067071/ |
| 18:41.13 | mece | aka the hp "meh" |
| 18:41.27 | Gadgetoid | Time to break out my game gripper! |
| 18:41.32 | mece | or i dunno. maybe it's good. It's not android and not apple. So that's a good thing |
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| 18:41.48 | mece | Gadgetoid, Ooh I have that too. I just need to find it. What are you playing? |
| 18:42.00 | Gadgetoid | mece: Megadrive games, probably! |
| 18:42.17 | mece | I play a lot of snes |
| 18:42.30 | Gadgetoid | HOLY SHIT! |
| 18:42.37 | Gadgetoid | USB Host! + Retrode! |
| 18:42.40 | Gadgetoid | = AWESOME! |
| 18:42.51 | mece | hmm 1.2ghz dual core on the touchpad. That's nice. |
| 18:43.06 | Gadgetoid | That just clicked! I ordered one of the last 15 retrodes a few days ago |
| 18:43.18 | mece | what's a retrode? |
| 18:43.33 | Gadgetoid | It turns Megadrive/SNES cartridges into USB mass storage... more or less |
| 18:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | anode, cathode tetrode... |
| 18:43.46 | Gadgetoid | Presents them as ROMs, with writable save states for SNES |
| 18:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrode |
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| 18:45.39 | GAN900 | RIP Palm |
| 18:48.24 | Gadgetoid | just-eat.co.uk is the best website on the internet. |
| 18:48.36 | Gadgetoid | We would die of starvation without it! |
| 18:48.50 | piggz | Gadgetoid: you work there? ;) |
| 18:49.04 | Gadgetoid | piggz: no affiliation with it whatsoever... |
| 18:49.10 | Gadgetoid | But if I didn't have my wife, I would die without it |
| 18:49.25 | Gadgetoid | I'm useless at cooking, lazy and hate phones and the outdoors |
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| 18:50.18 | Gadgetoid | It's like the (mythical?) /pizza command in World of Warcraft |
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| 18:54.47 | mece | oh man these new notpalm phones are horrendously ugly. Just like the previous ones. Go figure. |
| 18:55.12 | mece | the touchpad looks like an ipad. Whoda thunk it? |
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| 18:56.00 | GAN900 | mece, don't like the Pre? |
| 18:56.25 | Gadgetoid | It bothers me that Picodrive doesn't go SEEEGAAAA |
| 18:56.37 | mece | never tried it. but it I think fugly is an apt description of the design |
| 18:56.44 | mece | imo |
| 18:57.12 | javispedro | kinda likes it, it actually resembles the N900 |
| 18:57.16 | javispedro | in both color and general shape |
| 18:57.28 | GAN900 | Yeah, I kinda like the looks. |
| 18:57.29 | MohammadAG | and support? :P |
| 18:57.40 | GAN900 | Portrait and low screen resolution suck, though. |
| 18:57.46 | javispedro | well that's fixed on the pre3 |
| 18:57.49 | javispedro | (lores) |
| 18:57.51 | mece | yep |
| 18:58.10 | javispedro | however isn't exactly sold yet on the screen size |
| 18:58.20 | mece | wait.. what am I looking at? |
| 18:58.32 | mece | where's a pic of the pre3? |
| 18:58.35 | javispedro | 3.6 inch |
| 18:59.11 | mece | the thing I'm looking at looks exactly like a pre |
| 18:59.28 | mece | looks like a phone that has eaten too many donuts |
| 18:59.49 | mece | ooh that's the veer |
| 18:59.51 | MohammadAG | I see the pre as a big pebble |
| 18:59.53 | Gadgetoid | Well... SSU seems to work... no explosions yet |
| 19:00.01 | MohammadAG | a sexy one |
| 19:00.04 | javispedro | tbh there's something in the proportions of the pre3 that throws me off. |
| 19:00.07 | javispedro | what they did there? |
| 19:00.09 | Gadgetoid | Colour me impressed! |
| 19:00.16 | MohammadAG | Gadgetoid, haven't hit the detonate button, yet |
| 19:00.25 | mece | Gadgetoid, works smooth :) |
| 19:00.47 | Gadgetoid | MohammadAG: I don't have that much of an interest in it... but if you're going to guilt trip me into it! |
| 19:00.55 | Gadgetoid | I'm a dirty iPhone user |
| 19:00.58 | mece | can I have an url to a pic of pre3? |
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| 19:01.19 | mece | Shun! SHUN! Gadgetoid!!! |
| 19:01.22 | mece | ;) |
| 19:01.46 | MohammadAG | QML's pathview is neat |
| 19:01.47 | Gadgetoid | iOS and Maemo are where my heart lies... Android, not so much |
| 19:02.07 | javispedro | mece: engadget |
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| 19:02.48 | mece | thanks. found on palm site :) |
| 19:02.55 | javispedro | a pity the palm brand is over. |
| 19:03.06 | javispedro | Seems I'm getting older and older... |
| 19:03.17 | mece | well it looks like an n900 that has eaten too many burgers |
| 19:03.21 | GAN900 | webOS tablet is something I could get behind. |
| 19:03.38 | mece | GAN900, ditto. |
| 19:03.44 | GAN900 | You too, eh, Javier? ;) |
| 19:03.44 | mece | although I would prefer a meego tablet |
| 19:04.06 | javispedro | GAN900: :D |
| 19:04.09 | toggles | mmmmmmm... meego |
| 19:04.22 | mece | it all depends on the amount of facepalm come friday... |
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| 19:05.40 | javispedro | I also believe that the smallish Veer thing will have its share too. Risky though. |
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| 19:08.41 | mece | how much does an ipad weigh? |
| 19:08.42 | javispedro | Quick Elop, go ask these guys for the UI. |
| 19:08.47 | mece | hehe |
| 19:08.50 | javispedro | you still have time until Friday!! |
| 19:10.19 | mece | hmm apparently you can answer calls on the touchpad... |
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| 19:12.32 | GAN900 | mece, me too, but I really think webOS is well suited to the tablet. |
| 19:12.53 | mece | never seen it. But they have a cool community. Second best in mobile ;) |
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| 19:13.28 | javispedro | they have drnoksnes. that's all that matters! ;) |
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| 19:15.12 | javispedro | this pre3 its actually larger than the n900. |
| 19:15.16 | javispedro | *is |
| 19:15.42 | javispedro | but slimmer, seemingly. |
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| 19:16.13 | javispedro | less battery, pfft. |
| 19:18.28 | javispedro | magnetometer, no stereo speakers, and 24-bit color depth (something I could believe as the webos actually defaults to 24bpp) |
| 19:19.13 | javispedro | not perfect. now let's see what Nokia has in store. |
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| 19:20.33 | GAN900 | I'd consider it if it were a landscape slider. |
| 19:20.44 | GAN900 | Assuming Nokia's got shit. |
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| 19:21.13 | javispedro | btw they're a Qualcomm convert. |
| 19:21.29 | javispedro | previously a TI-only house, now they got the Qualcomm CEO on scene. |
| 19:22.21 | mece | yeah. dualcore snapdragon in the touchpad |
| 19:23.28 | mece | ooh.. everyone's favorite eldar says "change of OS is a absurd idea." |
| 19:23.43 | mece | (about nokia) |
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| 19:26.44 | chx | qualcomm that's one unlikely story isnt it. inventor of the crappy CDMA standards ( no data and speech at the same time, blah ) , supplier of an equally crappy mobile platform (BREW) somehow transformed itself into the supplier of chips for all smartphones, including the very very high end |
| 19:27.18 | zap_ | So... windows mobile is the way Nokia go? |
| 19:27.45 | javispedro | and it even COMES WITH MUSIC!! ( sigh ) |
| 19:28.29 | piggz | chx: ha, i still have a brew phone somewhere |
| 19:28.30 | chx | zap: i refuse to believe that |
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| 19:30.03 | GAN900 | javispedro, I should probably label myself a TI fanboy. |
| 19:30.46 | javispedro | yeah, I have to admit their outlook to OSS is one of the best if not the best. |
| 19:30.56 | zap | this is microsoft's last poisoned gasp... got us |
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| 19:32.02 | GAN900 | It's too bad they're victims of the MHz Myth: Part Deuce. |
| 19:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | pulls all the bits from outside world to his 10TB HDD array, to form his private maemo-N900 universe, then cuts wires and nails the doors |
| 19:33.10 | javispedro | hacks into DocScrutinizer's little universe and insert ads about the iPhone |
| 19:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAAHHH |
| 19:33.44 | javispedro | wait until Friday, then you're really going to want to have a private universe :) |
| 19:34.09 | mece | zap, no. |
| 19:34.18 | mece | zap, some microsoft services in ovi |
| 19:34.43 | mece | I also <3 TI |
| 19:35.02 | mece | but my TI-85 broke :( |
| 19:35.09 | zap | i'd say: let windows mobile die, at last |
| 19:36.34 | mece | unrelated but bwaaahahahahahaaaa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gIsKdzqFI8 |
| 19:37.17 | Gadgetoid | Damn. I forgot that SIXAD requires setup on a PC to get the blasted PS3 controllers to pair |
| 19:37.32 | GAN900 | mece, clearly an excellent excuse to get a TI-89ti |
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| 19:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | get a *real* decent hardware, get a HP calculator |
| 19:39.15 | Gadgetoid | Or an abacus |
| 19:39.43 | Gadgetoid | What the what. HP TouchPad, HP Veer and HP Pre3? |
| 19:39.45 | Gadgetoid | HP Pre!? |
| 19:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | oh, lol. Recently some weird young reporters in TV called abacus slide rule |
| 19:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | in German of course |
| 19:40.56 | Gadgetoid | I'm pretty sure WebOS is the most awful abomination of an OS I've ever had the displeasure to try and use... but I might have been biased slightly |
| 19:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | Historically Palm Pre |
| 19:42.23 | Gadgetoid | Even Compaq sounded better |
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| 19:42.55 | Gadgetoid | Why on earth would anyone shed a brand like Palm, it boggles the mind |
| 19:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid: you have to see where they're coming from. Palm Pilot OS had no file system, and no way to start apps, and no storage but only battery buffered or flash mirrored memory aka RAM |
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| 19:43.35 | Gadgetoid | Palm OS is awesome, I bought an m505 recently... the damned thing is so fast |
| 19:43.39 | javispedro | and it was the best! |
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| 19:44.01 | Gadgetoid | Everything is just *there*, instantaneously, just how an embedded device should work |
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| 19:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah that's truely embedded |
| 19:44.42 | pupnik_ | i agree Gadgetoid |
| 19:44.51 | pupnik_ | that's what using the psion felt like also |
| 19:44.54 | Gadgetoid | And the hardware itself is a thing of beauty, too, the brand "Palm" carries so much weight with anyone who knows dick about mobile devices |
| 19:45.00 | Gadgetoid | I wish I owned a Psion 5, even now |
| 19:45.26 | pupnik_ | i have a 5mx with cracked screen |
| 19:45.30 | javispedro | Gadgetoid: it being dropped means how much people know about mobile devices these days. |
| 19:45.32 | Gadgetoid | I got my wife to buy one, once upon a time, but her dad made her take it back... it was £500 back then |
| 19:45.37 | javispedro | Gadgetoid: that, or that we're getting old :( |
| 19:45.45 | Gadgetoid | javispedro: A little of both, I think |
| 19:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | heh if you don't like the name Palm, so what'S about handspring then? |
| 19:46.00 | Gadgetoid | Mobile device have become a commodity, taken for granted, and unappreciated |
| 19:46.07 | Gadgetoid | Handspring Visor :D :D |
| 19:46.39 | RST38h | moo |
| 19:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 19:47.32 | pupnik_ | symbian feels pretty fast to me as well |
| 19:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if that's been even before some Geordy La Forge stared out of TV with his visor |
| 19:47.56 | Gadgetoid | Hmm, I think Symbian went through a bit of a rough time, seems to be pulling out of it now |
| 19:48.00 | RST38h | pupnik: depends. it gets slower as you install more stuff |
| 19:48.04 | Gadgetoid | But it still feels a little bit cheap |
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| 19:56.42 | javispedro | wtf. |
| 19:56.45 | javispedro | WebOS for printers. |
| 19:56.58 | javispedro | HP, can you just think something else other than your fscking printers. |
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| 19:57.23 | ShadowJK | WebOS on the toner carts |
| 19:57.33 | ShadowJK | WebOS on the ethernet switches |
| 19:57.48 | mikhas | WebOS on print paper. |
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| 19:58.09 | RST38h | The printer thing is nothing special |
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| 19:58.22 | RST38h | HP had removable PDA-like tablets in their printers for a while |
| 19:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | WebOS on toilet paper |
| 19:58.32 | RST38h | So, I guess they just replaced android with webos there |
| 19:59.00 | ShadowJK | Microsoft Toner Cartridge: touchscreen that faces inwards in the printer and requires you to somehow read a code from it and repeat it loud on the phone to a ms activation agent before you get code that makes it dispense toner |
| 19:59.57 | mikhas | you need specifically (braille-) crafted paper to use the touch screen, problem solved |
| 20:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | ponders sitting on the toilet, activating the sheet of toilet paper |
| 20:01.04 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: "Activation failure. Your ass is not genuine Microsoft Software. You will not able to get our free Microsoft Genuine Advantage Extra Applications for it." |
| 20:01.57 | Gadgetoid | I don't know why Microsoft bother with all that activation nonsense... *sigh* |
| 20:02.06 | Gadgetoid | At this juncture they should be grateful for every user they get, pirated or not |
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| 20:03.48 | pupnik_ | they tried to prevent TCP/IP from getting a foothold in households Gadgetoid |
| 20:04.16 | Gadgetoid | pupnik_: Whatwhatwhat!? |
| 20:04.20 | pupnik_ | microsoft tried to prevent a networking standard |
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| 20:04.27 | Gadgetoid | ... |
| 20:04.29 | pupnik_ | and force users to use their own proprietary one |
| 20:04.30 | Gadgetoid | Mind. Blown. |
| 20:04.33 | pupnik_ | yep |
| 20:04.38 | Gadgetoid | Netbios? |
| 20:04.42 | pupnik_ | yep |
| 20:04.48 | Gadgetoid | You're kidding, right? |
| 20:04.49 | pupnik_ | netbios/netbeui |
| 20:04.50 | pupnik_ | nope |
| 20:05.02 | javispedro | he's not kidding. |
| 20:05.07 | Gadgetoid | That brings back memories, awful awful memories |
| 20:05.19 | Gadgetoid | Of coaxial networking, and things not fucking working unless the almighty magic netbios was enabled |
| 20:05.28 | javispedro | they also tried to prevent the www (see The MSN) however everyone used to do that back then. |
| 20:05.33 | pupnik | yep |
| 20:05.39 | ieatlint | i always wanted to get the custom licence plate for my car "NETBEUI" |
| 20:05.44 | ieatlint | last i checked, it was still available |
| 20:05.54 | Gadgetoid | Haha, I know a guy who sells custom license plates |
| 20:06.05 | ieatlint | as a friend once commented, if i did, i'd have to honk my horn every couple minutes and shout "HERE I AM!" |
| 20:06.27 | Gadgetoid | ieatlint: Ahahahahahahahahaha *cries* |
| 20:06.52 | Gadgetoid | Fortunately I'm just a youngling, so I didn't experience the full brunt of Windows networking fuckupery |
| 20:07.25 | ieatlint | btw, has anyone else noticed that you can't take pictures on the n900 while in a phone call? |
| 20:07.35 | ieatlint | gives an audio device in use error |
| 20:07.55 | Gadgetoid | It seriously errors because it can't play a snapshot sound!? |
| 20:08.10 | ieatlint | and i have the sound disabled at that |
| 20:08.10 | pupnik | i think it's important to remind people how evil MS was |
| 20:08.37 | pupnik | and how the world could have been a much worse place if they'd won all their battles |
| 20:08.38 | Gadgetoid | pupnik: It's totally like what Apple are doing to the Flash standard! |
| 20:08.44 | mikhas | pupnik, nah. I think it's important to let the MS hatred fade away |
| 20:08.46 | Gadgetoid | laughs hysterically |
| 20:08.50 | kerio | Gadgetoid: lol |
| 20:10.29 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.32 | pupnik | mikhas: hate becomes the shape of your mind |
| 20:10.52 | mikhas | so poetic |
| 20:10.58 | pupnik | thank you |
| 20:11.30 | ieatlint | hate leads to fear, fear leads to the dark side, etc |
| 20:11.38 | pupnik | disagree |
| 20:11.42 | Gadgetoid | That's racist! |
| 20:11.49 | pupnik | the 'shape of your mind' thing is from buddhism |
| 20:12.01 | ieatlint | Gadgetoid: if you're shocked by that, then we clearly haven't met |
| 20:12.22 | ieatlint | pupnik: star wars is more popular than buddhism around here... i'll stick with it |
| 20:12.23 | Gadgetoid | ieatlint: I'm not shocked by anything, I just feign disgust so that people think I have some humanity left |
| 20:12.39 | pupnik | heh |
| 20:12.55 | Gadgetoid | ( except electricity, that's shocking! ) |
| 20:13.23 | Gadgetoid | Err... my brain has imploded |
| 20:13.37 | pupnik | better to light a candle than curse the darkness |
| 20:13.40 | Gadgetoid | Instead of "ssh root@10.0.1.28" I simply typed root @ 10.0.1.28 as if it would magically work |
| 20:13.57 | ieatlint | better to accept that darkness than fight it |
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| 20:14.18 | ieatlint | see 4chan for details |
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| 20:16.12 | Gadgetoid | Oh woe is me, I think getting gcc and libusb on maemo is going to be... fun? |
| 20:18.07 | Gadgetoid | Ahh well, I'm so used to circumventing apt due to my horribly broken dependencies on my AppleTV |
| 20:19.14 | kerio | lol appletv |
| 20:19.30 | Gadgetoid | lol all you like, it's got teh bluetooth! |
| 20:19.41 | kerio | don't be cheap, build yourself a HTPC |
| 20:20.05 | Gadgetoid | I did. Gave it away. |
| 20:20.41 | kerio | ._. |
| 20:20.46 | kerio | why didn't you give it to me? |
| 20:21.20 | Gadgetoid | Haha, I gave it to my sister... it was a bit ungainly and I never used it |
| 20:21.33 | Gadgetoid | always preferred something a little more specialist |
| 20:22.18 | kerio | i suppose having some network storage with a PS3 would work just as well |
| 20:24.48 | GAN900 | HP can get Kindle, but Nokia can't. . . . |
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| 20:26.56 | ieatlint | founder of DEC, ken olsen, died |
| 20:27.07 | RST38h | GAN900: Nokia can get Microsoft, HP can't |
| 20:27.19 | RST38h | ieatlint: :( |
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| 20:28.40 | Gadgetoid | Interesting, compiled sixpair |
| 20:29.31 | Gadgetoid | Looks like a reboot is in order, for the hostmode enabled kernel |
| 20:33.19 | Gadgetoid | Aha, I think I've bricked it |
| 20:33.42 | Gadgetoid | Or not |
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| 20:45.52 | Venemo | alterego: ping |
| 20:47.28 | Venemo | achipa1: this is ridiculous: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-491 |
| 20:48.11 | achipa1 | Venemo: what the... |
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| 20:49.37 | Venemo | achipa1: it's just a damn checkbox on a GUI that needs to be enabled :P |
| 20:50.58 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: imagine, someone did tell me the solution |
| 20:51.35 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: there's a package, maemo-version (which others pointed me to), but it only exists in the SDK repository. so I removed it from the Depends and added it just to build-depends and now it all seems to work :) |
| 20:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid: then watch a video instead ;-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ&NR=1 |
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| 20:53.59 | achipa1 | Venemo: you want to "confuse developers" ! :P |
| 20:55.24 | Venemo | achipa1: yes, I do! :D |
| 20:55.45 | Venemo | achipa1: because having 3 Qt Creators in my applications menu is not confusing at all |
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| 21:03.55 | Gadgetoid | Ahh, I haz failed |
| 21:04.34 | Gadgetoid | I have the crappiest USB hub in the universe, which doesn't help |
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| 21:08.22 | ArGGu^^ | Is nokia completely ditching meego? :S |
| 21:09.05 | Venemo | ArGGu^^: ??? |
| 21:09.18 | javispedro | "Meegi"! |
| 21:09.28 | ArGGu^^ | well N9 is not coming :S |
| 21:09.46 | BCMM | Venemo: i think i just heard a rumour! better post it on the forums ASAP! |
| 21:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | FUD |
| 21:10.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: feel like chaging the topic? ;) |
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| 21:10.13 | wmarone | oh the N9 will be coming, just not with the hardware that it had :) |
| 21:10.18 | Venemo | BCMM: :D |
| 21:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: suggestions? |
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| 21:10.36 | javispedro | :P |
| 21:10.48 | Proteous | "GET TO YOUR FALLOUT SHELTERS, NOKIA IS GOING CRAZY" |
| 21:10.51 | Proteous | how about that |
| 21:11.33 | Venemo | there was no announcement about the 'N9', thus it can't be 'not coming' either |
| 21:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | AWAKE! THIS IS THE *INTERNET* - the place were nothing but the mere truth is written |
| 21:12.07 | Proteous | Venemo it can't be not never not coming either |
| 21:12.14 | ArGGu^^ | So the "News" are only rumours? |
| 21:12.27 | wmarone | ArGGu^^: rumors, speculation, FUD, hope, etc. |
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| 21:12.46 | Venemo | ArGGu^^: unless you can prove them |
| 21:12.47 | ArGGu^^ | It would be good there is not any other OS that I would want |
| 21:12.51 | BCMM | ArGGu^^: reuters is pretty good, yes. but all it said was " two industry sources close to the company said" |
| 21:12.59 | wmarone | the only sane thing to do is sit back and watch the fireworks |
| 21:13.14 | ArGGu^^ | expect kubuntu mobile could be nice |
| 21:13.29 | Proteous | when will nokia release the OTA update that disables cell phone functionality of the n900? |
| 21:13.33 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | YES WE HEARD IT! NO WE AREN'T INTERESTED. Take FUD to ##defocus! |
| 21:13.42 | javispedro | haha :) |
| 21:13.47 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | YES WE HEARD IT! NO WE AREN'T INTERESTED. Take FUD to ##defocus ! |
| 21:14.05 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 21:14.10 | Venemo | lol DocScrutinizer :) |
| 21:14.12 | javispedro | that will be fine until next week |
| 21:14.22 | GAN900 | Did you hear Nokia's switching to WinCE. |
| 21:14.26 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:14.35 | javispedro | #deFUDcus |
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| 21:14.58 | Venemo | bye-bye |
| 21:14.58 | GAN900 | Rumor has it they're moving HQ to Antarctica. |
| 21:15.01 | Venemo | will be back later |
| 21:15.22 | Proteous | Antarctica is a great tax haven |
| 21:15.38 | wmarone | GAN900: it's to get closer to the penguins |
| 21:16.03 | BCMM | Proteous: i think Antarctica is like space or military service |
| 21:16.24 | BCMM | your country will tax you anyway |
| 21:16.27 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:16.47 | Proteous | what if the iceberg you are on floats into international waters |
| 21:16.51 | Proteous | then anything is possible!! |
| 21:17.09 | Proteous | I'm thinking monkey knife fights |
| 21:18.09 | GAN900 | Proteous, good thinking. |
| 21:18.12 | javispedro | this just in: next Nokia device to be called the Nokia Mars. |
| 21:18.33 | BCMM | ironically, it will not be "candybar" shaped |
| 21:18.38 | GAN900 | We already had Rover |
| 21:18.40 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:18.41 | GAN900 | and Sputnik. |
| 21:18.51 | Proteous | nokia "lunar lander" |
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| 21:19.14 | GAN900 | Nokia Muffins |
| 21:19.19 | Proteous | Mmmm |
| 21:19.21 | GAN900 | I want some muffins. |
| 21:19.51 | javispedro | Nokia Muffin Dispenser |
| 21:20.01 | javispedro | maybe that's the radical chance Elop is talking about |
| 21:20.05 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:20.12 | Proteous | that is change I can get behind |
| 21:20.28 | Proteous | or infront of with my hands under the dispenser chute |
| 21:20.41 | RST38h | javispedro: source? |
| 21:20.49 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:21.01 | RST38h | Nokia Sun, and the will adopt the SPARC CPU! |
| 21:21.15 | javispedro | RST38h: comes from multiple trusted sources! |
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| 21:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | wants a cryPhone mustard dispenser, for the stylus Wiener sausage |
| 21:21.47 | javispedro | the gourmetPhone. |
| 21:22.04 | Proteous | but once you eat your stylus coated with tasty tasty mustard you won't be able to use your phone! |
| 21:22.13 | Proteous | you'll need a stylus dispenser |
| 21:22.33 | javispedro | is happy for some unknown reason today |
| 21:22.44 | Proteous | it's all the talk of muffins and mustard |
| 21:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | now that's a perfect product requirement specification for spyPhone6 |
| 21:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | comes with mustard and Wiener dispenser |
| 21:23.47 | javispedro | na, too many fingerprints on the screen. |
| 21:24.11 | ThreeM | seperatly sold item |
| 21:24.15 | Proteous | wiener-prints? |
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| 21:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | automatic screen wiper |
| 21:24.45 | Proteous | brilliant! |
| 21:24.46 | ThreeM | available for only 39,00 |
| 21:24.47 | javispedro | indeed! |
| 21:24.54 | ThreeM | must have! |
| 21:25.02 | javispedro | automatic screen wiper, card winshield style is something only Nokia could sell. |
| 21:25.11 | javispedro | we have a winner! |
| 21:25.17 | Proteous | although if the smudges tasted like wiener-juice people might just lick the scren clean |
| 21:25.21 | javispedro | *car winshield ;) |
| 21:25.27 | javispedro | *windshield |
| 21:25.28 | javispedro | dammit |
| 21:25.42 | ThreeM | with additional available wiener-app |
| 21:25.43 | javispedro | too many windows. |
| 21:25.46 | Proteous | sometimes I need to be shielded from win |
| 21:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | brushes out all the cookie crumbs from keyboard and into muesli |
| 21:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | out>>4 |
| 21:28.09 | _trine | is meego now megone |
| 21:28.12 | ieatlint | that sounds pretty horrid... |
| 21:28.35 | _trine | http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/us-nokia-meego-idUSTRE71832O20110209 |
| 21:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'm really really tempted to make a video of Wiener and mustard app on whyPhone, and publish it on uTube |
| 21:28.57 | javispedro | bangs head again a wiener |
| 21:29.03 | wmarone | _trine: topic plx |
| 21:29.07 | javispedro | I mean, against a wall =) |
| 21:29.21 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer, got anything louder than caps? |
| 21:29.36 | Proteous | blinking text maybe? |
| 21:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | alas not |
| 21:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | /mode #maemo +m |
| 21:30.01 | Proteous | heh |
| 21:30.26 | Proteous | #maemo is on lockdown until further notice |
| 21:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:30.51 | BCMM | you could just /topic some rumours about other platforms... |
| 21:30.56 | ieatlint | i hear nokia is going to abandon the platform they spent millions of dollars to develop, hold a conference for, create alliances with a dozen other companies and a devkit (qt) that they spend billions on + are making an announcement on friday to try to increase support for, in exchange for an unproven platform with smaller adoption and app base than symbian that's been out for only a few months (wm7) |
| 21:31.07 | BCMM | i heard the next iphone will run windows phone 7 |
| 21:31.17 | ieatlint | it sounds legit to me |
| 21:31.20 | DocScrutinizer | +m+i+q ~$a |
| 21:31.23 | BCMM | and android is removing support for apps in the next update. |
| 21:31.42 | ieatlint | nokia is bringing back qtopia |
| 21:31.44 | ieatlint | it'll be awesome |
| 21:31.50 | javispedro | you are far from the truth, which is that next quarter every handheld is going to be running my own OS. |
| 21:32.06 | javispedro | it's going to be featuring multi-optification! |
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| 21:32.22 | ieatlint | will it support kinetic scrolling? |
| 21:32.25 | ThreeM | awesome! |
| 21:32.30 | ieatlint | because that's a +1 over qt/symbian! |
| 21:32.43 | javispedro | it will support relativistic scrolling. |
| 21:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | I heard iPhone OS *is* winmo7, just with a special skin |
| 21:32.45 | _trine | well at the moment its pie in the sky |
| 21:32.51 | BCMM | javispedro: a multiply-optified version of Darwin! |
| 21:33.46 | ieatlint | i think nokia is already experiencing darwinism |
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| 21:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | I think the next OS replacing meego is called mc^2 |
| 21:34.44 | ieatlint | or SHR? |
| 21:34.45 | ieatlint | :P |
| 21:34.46 | javispedro | I'd wish someone used that as a trademark :) |
| 21:34.55 | ieatlint | maybe nokia will join with samsung to do bada |
| 21:34.56 | ThreeM | with hurd kernel |
| 21:35.05 | javispedro | BadaBingGo. |
| 21:35.07 | BCMM | and a BSD-derived userland. |
| 21:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | badaboom |
| 21:35.27 | ieatlint | "Nokia buys Solaris from Oracle as a new mobile phone platform" |
| 21:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | big badabooom |
| 21:35.46 | BCMM | ieatlint: ok, that would nearly be totally awesome |
| 21:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | as Willis said in "5th element" |
| 21:36.14 | ThreeM | i,ve heard duke nukem will apper on the next nokia platform |
| 21:36.15 | javispedro | Ok I'm going to use all of the Nokia inside knowledge I got from #maemo to write next rumours article. |
| 21:36.21 | ieatlint | the phone will just be a thinclient now, running VNC to a nokia server where they will decide how your phone runs |
| 21:36.47 | BCMM | javispedro: i was starting to wonder, actually, whether the "two source close to the company" were in here |
| 21:36.51 | BCMM | ^sources |
| 21:37.00 | BCMM | i mean, it didn't say they were *in* the company |
| 21:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: nah, Apple has patents on that |
| 21:37.13 | javispedro | everytime I read that I usually laugh deep inside. |
| 21:37.19 | chx | the big deal will be an x86 powered mobile device running Unity on Wayland. |
| 21:37.30 | ThreeM | lol |
| 21:37.32 | BCMM | chx: heh, that's the best so far |
| 21:37.42 | ThreeM | ubuntu 12.04 |
| 21:37.44 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: haha, i want to see apple get a patent on "controlling a user's device against their wishes" |
| 21:37.52 | javispedro | "sources close to the company" =) if anyone inside the company knew what they were planning to do, half of the problem would be solved already |
| 21:37.58 | chx | ThreeM: yes, and it will be shipped ony then but announced now!@ |
| 21:38.03 | ieatlint | pretty soon apple will stop selling phones and start just leasing them |
| 21:38.14 | Dhraakellian | so, just out of curiosity (and a little worry), is there any truth to the rumors? |
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| 21:38.24 | ieatlint | "uh, you did something we don't like. surrender your phone now" |
| 21:38.27 | Dhraakellian | that Nokia will be slaughtering 1000 MS-supplied puppies on friday? |
| 21:38.35 | wmarone | Dhraakellian: no one knows |
| 21:38.45 | ieatlint | Dhraakellian: that's good eatin' |
| 21:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: X-D |
| 21:38.57 | BCMM | ieatlint: doubt it, that would actually benefit the customers, what with the non-replaceable battery and all |
| 21:39.01 | wmarone | ieatlint: in Korea! |
| 21:39.05 | Dhraakellian | won't somebody please think of the kitte^Wpuppiesâ½ |
| 21:39.41 | ieatlint | BCMM: no no, you just charge them $40/mo, and if they return it with scratches or similar, charge huge fees |
| 21:39.46 | ieatlint | it'll be like cars |
| 21:39.54 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:39.57 | wmarone | ieatlint: but I own my car outright :/ |
| 21:40.08 | ieatlint | yeah, but my comparison was to the leasing model for cars |
| 21:40.09 | Dhraakellian | truthfully, my optimism is slipping, but in the end, we have the code |
| 21:40.15 | pupnik | hp/palm does the "many sizes" thing http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/02/hp-webos-the-next-big-thing-and-the-next-small-thing-too.html |
| 21:40.16 | Dhraakellian | and we still have the n900s we already bought |
| 21:40.25 | ieatlint | Dhraakellian: you have code that's severely outdated |
| 21:40.29 | wmarone | ieatlint: which is the worst way to own a car |
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| 21:40.34 | ieatlint | and not enough to actually run the shit on the n900 even |
| 21:40.38 | chx | well the question is, will they release harmattan or not |
| 21:40.45 | chx | we know they have *something* |
| 21:40.52 | ieatlint | wmarone: yeah, well, i've never leased a car either... own mine outright |
| 21:40.56 | Dhraakellian | stop harshing my mellow, dude |
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| 21:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: BZZZZZ! wrong |
| 21:41.14 | BCMM | all this FUD is being generated by Oracle, so they can buy Nokia cheaper. |
| 21:41.20 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: i'm never wrong |
| 21:41.42 | pupnik | oracle the tax parasite |
| 21:41.51 | Dhraakellian | BCMM: and MS is allowing it because dead meego/handset is good for WP7? |
| 21:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: that could be more true than you might think |
| 21:41.54 | ieatlint | if elison buys nokia, i'm going to cry and then curse him again |
| 21:41.59 | Dhraakellian | goes to look for some epileptic trees |
| 21:42.05 | pupnik | elison is a tick |
| 21:42.20 | wmarone | ieatlint: he's too busy choking down Sun's corpse |
| 21:42.20 | Dhraakellian | SPOOOON! |
| 21:42.22 | ieatlint | everyone hates elison... |
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| 21:42.24 | chx | btw if http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/palm_pre/ this is possible then ... why not buy a HP Veer or something? |
| 21:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | not me |
| 21:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | NFC what's an elison |
| 21:42.57 | wmarone | chx: cause I can already do that |
| 21:43.00 | ieatlint | wmarone: we have to keep reminding him that he's not iron man |
| 21:43.19 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: ceo/founder of oracle is larry elison... about the most arrogant bastard you can imagine |
| 21:43.23 | Dhraakellian | ieatlint: well, if he tries to fly in a metal suit and fails, we win, right? |
| 21:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 21:43.49 | ieatlint | Dhraakellian: he's arrogant, not stupid |
| 21:43.57 | wmarone | ieatlint: if I see Larry Ellison flying through the sky in a metal suit.... I might buy Oracle stock |
| 21:44.07 | javispedro | haha |
| 21:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | tossing in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE just for the cheers |
| 21:44.12 | ieatlint | but he also paid to have a cameo in iron man, and if you watch it, you'll see a LOT of oracle references in the movie |
| 21:44.49 | javispedro | envisions Larry giving a press conference.... "Guys... I'm ... Ironman". |
| 21:45.18 | BCMM | i think we need to find a good Larry impersonator... |
| 21:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | I am your FATHER... |
| 21:45.34 | Dhraakellian | but how would that compare to "developers! developers! developers!"? |
| 21:45.40 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbutnD0hVo4 |
| 21:46.28 | ieatlint | he's known here for telling the FAA and a local airport to go fuck themselves (for landing a plane after hours), for shutting down a major street in san francisco once a week for his conference, and for renting an island in the san francisco bay for the party and fucking up traffic on a major bridge to it |
| 21:46.30 | Dhraakellian | see, I should've clicked DocScrutinizer's link before saying anything |
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| 21:47.35 | javispedro | Developers, Developers, Developers, you guys matter! Develop for our platforms! Ignore the rumours that say they're burning! |
| 21:47.38 | ieatlint | i think he pays something like $2m just to have the street shut down for the week... maybe more |
| 21:47.54 | pupnik | i can hear very faint crackling noises from my thinkpad |
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| 21:48.16 | Proteous | when they get to be loud crackling noises then you should worry |
| 21:48.17 | Proteous | not before |
| 21:48.27 | Proteous | then your backlight will go out |
| 21:48.42 | pupnik | from the ethernet port |
| 21:48.43 | Proteous | then you replace the backlight transformer and go on |
| 21:48.58 | Proteous | stop trying to charge your battery with POE |
| 21:49.17 | pupnik | maybe the vga port |
| 21:50.06 | pupnik | yeah i thought it must be the transformer for power as well Proteous |
| 21:50.14 | LjL | where can i get decent free crosswords for xword? |
| 21:50.33 | pupnik | maybe it is - plugging in the power supply dampens the noise a lot |
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| 21:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: I'd think there's an app for that :-D |
| 21:56.47 | LjL | DocScrutinizer, do you mean there's an app to fetch free crosswords? if so pointer please, i couldn't find anything :P |
| 21:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: sorry no, just kidding |
| 21:59.30 | LjL | ah. well there *is* an app for that... on Android :P *hides* |
| 22:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | there's been some crossword program that combines arbitrary words from dictionary to form a crossword, but that's rather useless without proper descriptions of the words I guess |
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| 22:01.18 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: there is? does it create actual crosswords, or more like things where 90% of it is blank? because i've been looking for the former |
| 22:01.47 | DocScrutinizer | umm, dunno |
| 22:01.55 | style | Hi, I could use some help with maemo's terminals and it's mouse logic... why does it sometimes shows pointer icon and sometimes does not? |
| 22:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | I guess that depends on parameters, and dictionary |
| 22:02.24 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: i think the algorithm itself must also be pretty strong to generate a solid puzzle |
| 22:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, simple try and error plus the speed of a 2GHz CPU will do |
| 22:03.19 | BCMM | indeed |
| 22:03.43 | BCMM | it's just a few dictionary attacks, where a very large number of words are a legit password :) |
| 22:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | minimax strategy it's called iirc |
| 22:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | just undo some "moves" if the results are poor in current step, use different words and evaluate a new set, compare to old and keep the better one |
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| 22:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | you can also call it an algo based on evolution |
| 22:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | and given the fact you can search in dict using regex, it's probably like 100 lines of code |
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| 22:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | actually you don't even need any prog for that, except a spreadsheet for the form, and grep to find nice words to fill in |
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| 22:18.18 | MohammadAG | what's ##defocus? lol |
| 22:18.41 | javispedro | deFUDcus would have been better. |
| 22:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: /join will tell you |
| 22:19.08 | MohammadAG | I'd suggest #meego, /me hides |
| 22:19.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no thanks, sounds like 4chan's /b/ |
| 22:19.59 | javispedro | http://freenode.net/pounddefocus.shtml |
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| 22:22.12 | trumee | MohammadAG, what happened to the mediaplayer you were developing. is it complete? |
| 22:23.13 | Dhraakellian | so... MediaBox or Rockbox? |
| 22:23.21 | trumee | iirc the goal to finish that was in january? |
| 22:24.00 | Dhraakellian | afaict, Rockbox would be preferable if the controls/keybindings were improved |
| 22:24.05 | Dhraakellian | ...and scrobbling worked |
| 22:24.18 | Dhraakellian | wonders how hard it'd be to port over qtscrob |
| 22:24.20 | trumee | Dhraakellian, is Rockbox c++? |
| 22:24.29 | Dhraakellian | trumee: C |
| 22:24.45 | BCMM | MohammadAG: also, is it actually called Mohamediaplayer yet? |
| 22:25.04 | trumee | Dhraakellian, probably performs better than python Mediabox |
| 22:25.15 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
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| 22:26.01 | trumee | Dhraakellian, can it do ogg/internet radio? |
| 22:26.13 | Dhraakellian | and, assuming the keybindings get worked out, getting back and forth between database, current track/wps, and playlist should be a lot easier than mediabox's convoluted navigation |
| 22:26.31 | Dhraakellian | no network stack in Rockbox |
| 22:26.50 | Dhraakellian | but it'll play pretty much any friggin' format you could ever throw at it |
| 22:26.59 | Dhraakellian | ...so long as it's not DRM-encumbered |
| 22:27.25 | BCMM | Dhraakellian: MediaBox or Rockbox for what? |
| 22:27.36 | Dhraakellian | just general opinions of which is better |
| 22:27.39 | Dhraakellian | mediabox is shinier |
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| 22:28.09 | thomasjfox | rumor has it next rockbox release on maemo will have embedded album art |
| 22:28.10 | Dhraakellian | and scrobbles (last I checked, RaaA/maemo's scrobbling wasn't working) |
| 22:28.24 | Dhraakellian | thomasjfox: does mainline Rockbox have that? |
| 22:28.27 | thomasjfox | rumor has it next release will support scrobbling :) |
| 22:28.36 | thomasjfox | Dhraakellian: Yes, since 30 minutes or so |
| 22:28.39 | Dhraakellian | ooooh |
| 22:28.58 | Dhraakellian | ...not that I really care, since I use external image files |
| 22:29.13 | Dhraakellian | but still, nifty for those who use it |
| 22:29.22 | trumee | thomasjfox, so Rockbox cannot do streaming radio/icecast? |
| 22:29.38 | thomasjfox | trumee: No network support (yet?) |
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| 22:30.04 | trumee | thomasjfox, in the maemo port or even in the main software? |
| 22:30.18 | thomasjfox | trumee: Main software |
| 22:30.45 | Dhraakellian | trumee: remember that most DAPs don't have network hardware |
| 22:30.45 | thomasjfox | trumee: Rockbox's background is digital audio players like Archos or ipod |
| 22:31.06 | Dhraakellian | or Sansa |
| 22:31.14 | BCMM | yeah, i'm slightly confused at it being talked about as a userspace program |
| 22:31.22 | Dhraakellian | but, yeah, it's only the RockboxAsAnApp targets that have network |
| 22:31.30 | Dhraakellian | BCMM: first came the UI simulators |
| 22:31.37 | Dhraakellian | then came Rockbox as an App |
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| 22:32.08 | trumee | Dhraakellian, what is scrobbling? |
| 22:32.20 | Dhraakellian | and the sims became more like SDL ports of RaaA, iiuc |
| 22:32.30 | Dhraakellian | trumee: are you familiar with last.fm? |
| 22:32.32 | BCMM | so how does RockboxAsAnApp work? whole rockbox stack adapted for userspace, or just the GUI of rockbox on it's own? |
| 22:32.43 | Dhraakellian | (which was originally audioscrobbler) |
| 22:32.45 | BCMM | does is still play doom? |
| 22:32.51 | trumee | Dhraakellian, ah! used a little in amarok |
| 22:33.06 | Dhraakellian | BCMM: I imagine it probably could play Doom |
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| 22:33.35 | Dhraakellian | I think it's just the UI and codecs and such, but I really don't know the technical details |
| 22:33.57 | BCMM | (it's kinda hilarious that there are *multiple* doom ports for the iPod classic) |
| 22:34.00 | Dhraakellian | regardless, RaaA runs on Maemo, even if the keybindings aren't the best |
| 22:34.09 | Dhraakellian | (yet?) |
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| 22:36.50 | Dhraakellian | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=29248 |
| 22:36.59 | Dhraakellian | and it's actually in Rockbox svn! |
| 22:37.02 | Dhraakellian | awesome! |
| 22:37.16 | trumee | Why do i need to insert usb cable multiple times before N900 recognises it and starts charging? |
| 22:37.31 | piggz | Dhraakellian: i tried it, and struggled to exit it as the gui wasnt great atm :) |
| 22:37.45 | Dhraakellian | ctrl+backspace |
| 22:37.52 | Dhraakellian | only way to exti |
| 22:37.55 | Dhraakellian | exit* |
| 22:38.29 | Dhraakellian | think of that little X in the corner like a device's off button |
| 22:38.33 | Dhraakellian | :) |
| 22:39.59 | thomasjfox | Dhraakellian: Either that or we'll switch to windowed mode. This will make window switching easier for people who don't know CTRL+BACKSPACE |
| 22:40.12 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 22:40.17 | Dhraakellian | pauses a moment |
| 22:40.25 | Dhraakellian | oh, right, that's why your name looks familiar |
| 22:40.32 | Dhraakellian | I recognize it from the forum thread |
| 22:40.38 | Dhraakellian | *facepalm |
| 22:40.40 | Dhraakellian | * |
| 22:40.41 | thomasjfox | ;) |
| 22:41.04 | Dhraakellian | when's the next build due? |
| 22:41.22 | trumee | thomasjfox, is this the current state, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GimMHlAvxRE |
| 22:41.26 | thomasjfox | Dunno, I wanted to fix the shutdown stuff first. |
| 22:42.08 | Dhraakellian | any progress on keybindings? |
| 22:42.09 | thomasjfox | trumee: Na, the video is crap. Rockbox is really usable right now. In fact I use it daily for 4h to 6h. |
| 22:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: that's a known problem that happened to me one out of 10..20 times. Some race or sth |
| 22:42.18 | Dhraakellian | 3x3 grid is a little annoying |
| 22:42.44 | Dhraakellian | ...but it's the only way I found to get full functionality |
| 22:44.29 | thomasjfox | Dhraakellian: Is there a problem with the key bindings? |
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| 22:44.44 | Dhraakellian | I forget exactly what's missing, since i haven't used it in a while |
| 22:45.04 | Dhraakellian | but there is some stuff |
| 22:45.09 | thomasjfox | ah. now I get it |
| 22:45.16 | Dhraakellian | I'll have to get back to you on that |
| 22:45.21 | thomasjfox | 3x3 grid mode is not active with the cabbie theme |
| 22:45.30 | Dhraakellian | ? |
| 22:45.52 | thomasjfox | I guess you tried a build when there was no real theme for 800x480 included |
| 22:46.05 | thomasjfox | 3x3 grid mode should be gone... |
| 22:46.23 | Dhraakellian | I like absolute point for convenience, but if not all buttons are mapped to the hw keyboard... |
| 22:46.28 | Dhraakellian | actually... what's the latest build? |
| 22:46.37 | Dhraakellian | I should double check to make sure I'm actually using the latest |
| 22:46.50 | thomasjfox | the one in extras-devel, 2011-01-26 or something |
| 22:46.57 | crashanddie_ | BCMM: "its" |
| 22:47.05 | Dhraakellian | yeah, that sounds about right |
| 22:47.38 | Dhraakellian | ponders uninstalling Rockbox just to test whether a certain bug is only coincidental |
| 22:48.04 | BCMM | crashanddie_: I was abbreviating "it is", not using a possessive |
| 22:48.24 | crashanddie_ | "or just the GUI of rockbox on it's own?" |
| 22:48.26 | BCMM | crashanddie_: also, that was like quarter of an hour ago? |
| 22:48.27 | crashanddie_ | you weren't ;) |
| 22:48.28 | BCMM | oh |
| 22:48.30 | Dhraakellian | I don't see how it could be related, but my n900 started (seemingly) randomly shutting off around the time I first installed Rockbox |
| 22:48.33 | BCMM | you mean even further back |
| 22:48.46 | BCMM | well, in that case, it was a typo. 20 minutes ago. |
| 22:48.51 | Dhraakellian | no idea what's causing it |
| 22:48.55 | crashanddie_ | 16 :) |
| 22:49.15 | Dhraakellian | but I'll take the n900 out of my pocket to check the time and find that it's not turned on |
| 22:49.36 | Dhraakellian | (not apparently, at least) |
| 22:49.51 | Dhraakellian | and requires a battery removal/reinsertion to turn back on |
| 22:50.14 | Dhraakellian | again, no idea what's causing this, but I think it started about the time I first installed RaaA |
| 22:50.24 | Dhraakellian | and ohgoodgrieflookatthetime |
| 22:50.32 | Dhraakellian | I need to be heading out now |
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| 22:51.26 | Dhraakellian | oh... "Version: unknown-110126" |
| 22:51.49 | Dhraakellian | really disappears now |
| 22:51.50 | javispedro | ponders switching his n900 gentoo to hardfp... |
| 22:52.11 | Dhraakellian | n900 gentoo? |
| 22:52.13 | Dhraakellian | ,':-| |
| 22:52.21 | Dhraakellian | really, really disappears |
| 22:52.32 | thomasjfox | can't even see Dhraakellian anymore |
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| 23:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | this friggin lockup that needs bat-out reset - that's actually a PITA and a mystery, and needs someone to investigate the root cause and details how this 'works' |
| 23:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen this once or twice, but I have no clue how to reproduce it. Also no idea whatsoever about the hw state that causes this symptom |
| 23:48.41 | ArGGu^^ | has anyone used the DrLaunch? |
| 23:49.11 | ArGGu^^ | is there some configurationr that must be done before I can add it to desktop? |
| 23:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | I could use a Dr's lunch |
| 23:49.36 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, ive had that once when testing some mapping app (mappero? not sure), after i turned gps back on again and walked out the door... |
| 23:49.53 | ArGGu^^ | Because when I try add it, it doesn't add to desktop :S |
| 23:49.57 | nox- | next i looked at the device it hung :( |
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| 23:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, lemme guess (wild free associating) TWL4030 regulators, I2C bus, errm I'm not sure this leads anywhere |
| 23:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | pops up schematics |
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| 23:55.15 | ArGGu^^ | hmm got it working It the deb has missing depency :S neede python-dbus |
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| 23:58.44 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: YUCK, it's actually a problem inside GAIA TWL4030: poweron (button) directly operates on TWL4030 and schould just "always work" to reset. I.E. there should never be any need to remove battery to recover |
| 23:59.04 | nox- | oh |
| 23:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | fires up TWL4030 data"sheet" |
| 23:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | shudders |