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| 00:21.06 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I found a bunch of bugs :( |
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| 01:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | Having MWKN to make it easier to stay informed about what's going on is kind of defeating by having to be informed to write the summaries. . . . |
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| 03:09.32 | Jartza | Sources: Nokia to Abandon Symbian/Meego, Adopt Windows Phone 7, and Move its HQ to U.S. |
| 03:09.44 | Jartza | http://technmarketing.com/cellphone/sources-nokia-to-abandon-symbianmeego-adopt-windows-phone-7-and-move-its-hq-to-u-s/ |
| 03:11.51 | Jartza | :) |
| 03:12.03 | wmarone | more "this will get me page hits!" crap |
| 03:12.36 | Jartza | yeah |
| 03:12.53 | wmarone | do you have an interest in that page? |
| 03:12.58 | wmarone | someone paying you to link it? |
| 03:12.58 | Jartza | nope |
| 03:13.44 | Jartza | I myself have a lot of interest to maemo & meego |
| 03:14.09 | wmarone | why is it the ones who claim to have an interest, always latch on to whatever random speculation trickles across the web? |
| 03:14.22 | Jartza | just thought to share that crap, because I'm bored :) |
| 03:14.51 | Jartza | 'cause it's 5:14am :P |
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| 03:16.12 | Ken-Young | Yeah, Findland's definately going to let Nokia move its headquarters to the US. |
| 03:16.49 | Ken-Young | They won't mind their largest company leaving. |
| 03:18.42 | Ken-Young | s/Findland/Finland/ |
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| 03:22.21 | Jartza | well they don't Want To, that's for sure. |
| 03:22.36 | Jartza | but I'm actually not sure what could they do, if Nokia really wanted to. |
| 03:22.57 | wmarone | start pulling all those nice things they gave Nokia |
| 03:23.54 | Jartza | true. we spend money on Nokia. |
| 03:23.55 | Jartza | :) |
| 03:25.28 | Ken-Young | Isn't Nokia, even now, something like 10% of the market cap of all Finnish corporations? |
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| 03:33.56 | pupnik | it was cool to see 'normal' people carrying N900s in finland |
| 03:34.19 | Ken-Young | pupnik, I have *never* run into anyone else with an N900. |
| 03:35.00 | pupnik | where U at Ken-Young |
| 03:35.25 | Ken-Young | Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA (next to Boston) |
| 03:36.30 | Ken-Young | I would have expected to have at least seen someone near MIT with one, but no. |
| 03:37.16 | wmarone | Ken-Young: it's the US, minority of a minority :) |
| 03:37.28 | wmarone | most I've ever seen at once was at the meego developer day back in september |
| 03:38.02 | Ken-Young | wmarone, Do a lot of Meego folks carry one? |
| 03:38.19 | wmarone | there were at least 5-7 people with them |
| 03:38.23 | wmarone | some had N8s |
| 03:38.50 | wmarone | I think a lot of people at the meeting were just |
| 03:39.01 | wmarone | "app developers" with no particular interest in any specific handset or platform |
| 03:40.17 | Jartza | hmmh |
| 03:40.22 | Jartza | I have a lot of friends with N900 :) |
| 03:40.33 | Ken-Young | I'm jealous |
| 03:40.36 | Jartza | quite a "normal phone" here |
| 03:40.53 | Ken-Young | Jartza, Where is "here" for you? |
| 03:41.07 | Jartza | Finland, surely :) |
| 03:41.19 | Ken-Young | People in the US don't even know how to pronounce Nokia. |
| 03:41.27 | Jartza | No wonder. |
| 03:42.06 | Jartza | I've heard it quite often, people speaking Finnish sound to US people like we're MEANING IT! :) |
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| 03:49.19 | pupnik | Jartza: particularly women |
| 03:49.37 | pupnik | it's quite sexy |
| 03:50.59 | Jartza | :) |
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| 03:51.46 | Jartza | oh well. anyways, lot of those "analysts" who want to see Nokia create WP7 don't realize it would also be a mistake :) |
| 03:52.13 | Jartza | I'm not convinced that Nokia should sacrifice everything just to get to US market of 300M people. |
| 03:52.26 | Ken-Young | Jartza, But I think we can safely assume that Nokia does know it would be a mistake. |
| 03:52.32 | Jartza | it would kick back on other markets :( |
| 03:52.40 | Jartza | Ken-Young: hopefully :) |
| 03:56.13 | pupnik | Jartza: i think the 'analysts' are stupid cattle themselves |
| 03:56.30 | pupnik | 'oh look, i'm in the middle of a herd, and it's running this way' |
| 03:57.02 | GAN900 | WP7 wont actually help in the US anyway. |
| 03:57.10 | GAN900 | Nokia's US fix is easy. |
| 03:57.23 | Ken-Young | And what is that fix? |
| 03:57.27 | GAN900 | Clean house in NokiaUSA and play ball with the carriers. |
| 03:58.23 | GAN900 | Nokia's failure in the US doesn't have more of a source than Nokia itself. |
| 03:59.45 | GAN900 | Phone releases were delayed by months or years, software updates were at least 6 months behind the rest if the planet and warranty service was about as bad as it could get. |
| 04:00.27 | GAN900 | So they alienated their existing customers |
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| 04:00.59 | GAN900 | and couldn't get any new ones since they wouldn't play ball with carriers or market their products. |
| 04:01.15 | pupnik | what exactly does 'playing ball' mean? |
| 04:01.46 | Jartza | allow carrier customizations, for starters. |
| 04:01.51 | Jartza | fix the syncing problems. |
| 04:02.20 | Jartza | deliver software updates. |
| 04:02.34 | pupnik | 'syncing problems' means what? |
| 04:03.11 | pupnik | and is that 'easy'? |
| 04:03.15 | Jartza | I've struggled with many Nokia phones (mainly symbian) and corporate emails/calendars/contactbooks... |
| 04:03.29 | Jartza | and I'm not the only one. MfE is a joke. |
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| 04:04.22 | Jartza | easy and working sync to exchange/others would be on top of my list. |
| 04:04.46 | Jartza | push enabled would be even nicer :) |
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| 04:05.59 | GAN900 | pupnik, yes, Nokia treated the carriers to all or nothing negotiations. |
| 04:06.14 | GAN900 | Which means nobody ever saw their products. |
| 04:06.36 | GAN900 | pupnik, Apple can do it, Google can do it, Microsoft can too. |
| 04:07.13 | pupnik | GAN900: i know someone whose full-time job is making that stuff work |
| 04:07.19 | pupnik | for relatively small clients |
| 04:07.29 | pupnik | doesn't seem 'easy' |
| 04:08.15 | pupnik | making it work between microsoft-microsoft |
| 04:08.23 | pupnik | and now google-microsoft |
| 04:09.14 | GAN900 | shrugs |
| 04:09.26 | GAN900 | One problem of many |
| 04:09.32 | GAN900 | and hardly the biggest. |
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| 04:14.36 | pupnik | software updates is like telling mercedes they need to facelift their cars more often |
| 04:15.19 | wmarone | phones are more flexible than cars, in that respect |
| 04:15.42 | wmarone | and hell, if my car's software was significantly updated, I'd want an upgrade |
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| 04:17.17 | Jartza | I've gotten a software update to my car every time I've taken it to the regular service :) |
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| 04:18.26 | pupnik | Perhaps they should relase a US 'os update' consisting of a new ringtone, soundboard and theme :) |
| 04:19.03 | pupnik | We'll call it 'sarcastic marketing' |
| 04:19.11 | pupnik | or 'openly sarcastic marketing' |
| 04:19.23 | wmarone | or they could do it realisticly, and get out there |
| 04:19.27 | pupnik | to cash-in on buzzwords :) |
| 04:19.47 | wmarone | I'll continue buying only unlocked devices :) |
| 04:21.58 | pupnik | 'defective by design' is a market strategy |
| 04:22.10 | pupnik | 'get it out the door and sell units - we'll fix it later' |
| 04:22.11 | wmarone | right, which is why I don't buy Motorola devices |
| 04:22.33 | pupnik | haven't used any |
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| 04:34.51 | GAN900 | pupnik, the software updates were produced and released. |
| 04:35.12 | GAN900 | pupnik, NokiaUSA just took an extra 6 months to release them for US devices. |
| 04:35.22 | GAN900 | pupnik, why so defensive of the company. |
| 04:35.23 | GAN900 | ? |
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| 04:46.43 | aap | part |
| 04:46.58 | MohammadAG | trumee, Andrew's the new maintainer |
| 04:47.06 | MohammadAG | ~seen zap |
| 04:47.13 | infobot | zap <~zap@213.59.86.89> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 41d 17h 47m 53s ago, saying: 'good'. |
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| 04:52.43 | pupnik | GAN900: just making conversation |
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| 04:58.49 | pupnik | GAN900: i'm a bit tired of people having opinions |
| 04:59.47 | pupnik | too often it's like having an opinion of why a cloud is a certain shape |
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| 05:05.48 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 05:05.58 | GAN900 | I can sympathize. |
| 05:06.16 | GAN900 | pupnik, but you're wrong. *g* |
| 05:10.03 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.23 | pupnik | notice the american formulation - "you ARE wrong" |
| 05:10.28 | pupnik | a person isn't wrong |
| 05:10.38 | pupnik | nor is a person right |
| 05:10.44 | pupnik | a statement might be though |
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| 06:21.33 | jonwil | YAY, my N900 is back |
| 06:21.44 | jonwil | and they seem to have replaced it rather than fixed it |
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| 06:25.39 | Dhraakellian | uninstalls kontact touch |
| 06:25.48 | Dhraakellian | interesting to look at |
| 06:25.58 | Dhraakellian | but too slow and battery-hungry to use much |
| 06:26.24 | Dhraakellian | ...and the whole libclucene0ldbl dependency conflict with clucene-core was really annoying |
| 06:26.51 | Dhraakellian | since I had to uninstall katana and sword16 every time I wanted to do any package management whatsoever |
| 06:26.57 | Dhraakellian | and then reinstall katana |
| 06:27.00 | Dhraakellian | rather annoying |
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| 10:06.23 | Venemo_N900 | hi |
| 10:06.27 | Venemo_N900 | achipa: ping |
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| 10:42.35 | zlimvos | so, any ideas for apps to take with me on a long trip to asia? (mostly offline) |
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| 10:42.43 | zlimvos | or games ^^ |
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| 10:53.15 | yacc | zlimvos, well, you could start by browsing for the best deals in prepaid SIM cards with a data plan? *lol* |
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| 10:58.00 | zlimvos | yacc: lol well ill have a look but ill be between laos, cambodia, vietnam and avoiding cities, so data looks long shot |
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| 11:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | franz_: exec=SHELLVAR=val binary |
| 11:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | franz_: or exec=sh -c 'SHELLVAR=val binary' |
| 11:40.38 | yacc | zlimvos, that's hard, the N900 is not that classical "toy" phone ;( |
| 11:40.58 | yacc | zlimvos, it's really a workhorse, ... |
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| 11:42.44 | yacc | zlimvos, there are few things that you cannot set up with it network-wise, ... |
| 11:46.11 | yacc | zlimvos, but games, well, you are basically down to Linux games, a small screen compared to usual Linux desktops, and in the European version no real cursor keys either, ... |
| 11:46.39 | pupnik | is the usa the only hypernationalistic country that still sings the national fascist brainwashed monkey anthem at every sporting event? |
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| 11:48.20 | Arkenoi | actually n900 is quite decent portable gaming platform. better than iphone as emulations and virtual machines are ok as well |
| 11:48.26 | psycho_oreos | zlimvos, supposedly games from openpandora (notably running usual console games through emulator) can work on n900, as well as games from latter palm devices |
| 11:48.45 | pupnik | the n900 has buttons |
| 11:48.50 | pupnik | and replaceable battery |
| 11:49.56 | lardman|gone | Who can promote a package from extras-devel to -testing? |
| 11:50.00 | lardman|gone | only the original uploader? |
| 11:50.13 | psycho_oreos | it goes by vote iirc |
| 11:50.23 | lardman|gone | no, that's from -testing to extras proper |
| 11:50.35 | lardman|gone | afair anyway |
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| 11:59.31 | RobbieThe1st | Gaming wise, I really like ScummVM on the n900 - Games like Legend of Kyrandia work great, have good performance and sound! |
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| 12:00.20 | joga | snes emulator is really great too |
| 12:00.21 | RobbieThe1st | And - imho - is the sort of game -for- a mobile platform; not a twitch game |
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| 12:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|gone: the pkg maintainer |
| 12:24.43 | lardman|gone | docscrutinizer: ok |
| 12:24.44 | lardman|gone | thanks |
| 12:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|gone: I heard there's a way to claim ownership/maintainer-status of a pkg |
| 12:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG |
| 12:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | or anybody else here who's better on those details |
| 12:25.37 | lardman|gone | well I could upload a new version with a different control file I guess, but no need, just have to wait |
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| 12:26.17 | lcukn900 | hey guys. can you tell me if liqbook on extras-devel is working and readable please. |
| 12:26.33 | lcukn900 | I uploaded it during fosdem but my internet has been choppy |
| 12:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | lo lcukn900 |
| 12:27.04 | lcukn900 | hi |
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| 12:31.30 | SpeedEvil | Oh - cool 'legit' app for open-source cellmo. Emulating SIMs in software. Multiple SIMs per phone. |
| 12:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | VLC vulnerability in <v1.1.7: Security Advisory 1102: Insufficient input validation in MKV demuxer http://www.videolan.org/security/sa1102.html |
| 12:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: WUT? |
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| 12:32.59 | SpeedEvil | Can't be done on n900 of course. |
| 12:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | unfeasible without either A) hacking cmt FW, or B) a hw hack to emulate the SIM bit bitbanging the IO from APE |
| 12:33.29 | SpeedEvil | In principle could be done on FR, as I understand it. |
| 12:33.30 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 12:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nope, not even on FR |
| 12:34.13 | lardman|gone | lcukn900: just waiting for HAM |
| 12:34.17 | SpeedEvil | You can apparantly extract the secrets from the SIM 'easily' if you have an opensource basestation. |
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| 12:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
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| 12:34.58 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: As you set a weak encryption that you can break. This was mentioned in passing in one of Harald Weltes talks at defcon18 |
| 12:35.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (FR) maybe with AT+CSIM I pushed into moko10 |
| 12:35.25 | lardman|gone | lcukn900: I see no liqbook |
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| 12:35.48 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was meaning running the open-source calypso code. |
| 12:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 12:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, of course with openBB you could do such things |
| 12:36.45 | SpeedEvil | Only if you can extract the SIM secrets - which is the other half. |
| 12:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 12:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | once you got that PKI or what it's called, it is a straighforward task, given you have access to cmt<->SIM interface |
| 12:37.53 | SpeedEvil | It's also fun of course, in that you only need momentary access to someones phone to pop out their SIM, read it (admittedly with your backpack basestation), and make calls asthem. |
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| 12:38.07 | SpeedEvil | (after returning their SIM) |
| 12:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's how SIM cloners work |
| 12:38.18 | SpeedEvil | SIM cloners don't work with recent cards. |
| 12:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 12:38.41 | SpeedEvil | AIUI - at least the older models - don't know if there are new ones that do the above dance. |
| 12:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | a BTS based attack might work, admittedly |
| 12:39.11 | lcukn900 | wtf check autobuilder and somebody please fix |
| 12:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | nah, you only can read out old models of SIM |
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| 12:39.49 | lcukn900 | resudmit it or something, check packages ui |
| 12:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | new ones are "unbreakable" |
| 12:41.36 | lcukn900 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqbook/ |
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| 12:41.58 | lcukn900 | wtf please someone fix this and get it n fremantle |
| 12:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | I never wrapped my head around all operation modes of AT+CSIM, but it seems to me you could do all the things you could do with a SIM in a card reader, or with a cloned SIM in the cmt |
| 12:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: *someone*? |
| 12:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: I guess you meant X-Fade PIIIING |
| 12:43.15 | lcukn900 | anyone! doc read it. |
| 12:43.19 | lardman|gone | lcukn900: it says it doesn't have a proper desc |
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| 12:43.28 | lardman|gone | perhaps that's what's stopping it? |
| 12:43.56 | lcukn900 | i cannot get into my scratchbox or anything, my harddrive is broke |
| 12:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 12:44.30 | lcukn900 | doc build/run/read it. |
| 12:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: I dunno how to build, what to run, and what you mean by read |
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| 12:45.23 | lardman|gone | lcukn900: sorry I'm at work so no build machine to hand |
| 12:45.26 | lcukn900 | download it, type "make' |
| 12:45.43 | lcukn900 | or even run the mpackage.sh |
| 12:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | lol, I suppose you meant in SB |
| 12:45.53 | lcukn900 | yes. |
| 12:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 12:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | never did that |
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| 12:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | well I did once, for kernel |
| 12:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | now my HDD is fsckd as well, almost |
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| 12:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: find a devel, I'm just a stupid poject lead and designer/architect. No clue about building |
| 12:48.51 | lardman | lcukn900: give me 30min and I'll do it when I pop home |
| 12:49.09 | lcukn900 | thanks |
| 12:49.11 | lcukn900 | <lcukn900> I sign off on the book with: |
| 12:49.25 | lcukn900 | <lcukn900> Gary Birkett, |
| 12:49.35 | lcukn900 | <lcukn900> Smile Architect. |
| 12:49.52 | lcukn900 | <KotCzarny> :) |
| 12:50.05 | lcukn900 | <lcukn900> mohammad was right to take a screenshot. |
| 12:50.23 | lardman | As, so lcukn900 is in fact a Lip Augmentation Enhancement Surgeon? |
| 12:51.05 | lcukn900 | :) |
| 12:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: I.E. I for sure can (learn to) build a working pkg, maybe even build (aka clone) a new one, but I'm the wrong guy for fixing things with build process ;-) |
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| 12:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | smiles on 444 users |
| 12:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 12:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | smiles on "444 users" |
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| 13:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | google chrome vulnerability: affected: all systems < Version 9.0.597.84. 9 bugs fixed, severity: DoS, code injection, privilege escalation |
| 13:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2011/02/stable-channel-update.html |
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| 13:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | Anthony Laforge?? o.O |
| 13:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 13:51.11 | lardman|home | lcukn900: ping |
| 13:51.26 | lardman|home | I have committed a cardinal sin, I let bacon go out of date in the fridge |
| 13:51.29 | lcukn900 | hey lardman |
| 13:51.31 | lardman|home | I really don't know how this happened |
| 13:51.44 | lardman|home | am home, will try a build for you if you still need it? |
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| 13:51.48 | lcukn900 | that is not good. |
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| 13:52.17 | lardman|home | wose is that I was just in the shop buying nice fresh bread rolls for my bacon roll lunch :( |
| 13:52.18 | lcukn900 | yes please |
| 13:52.24 | lardman|home | and didn't bother with more bacon |
| 13:52.37 | lcukn900 | i might go to my mums. she has good bacon. |
| 13:52.51 | lardman|home | quite a long way for me to go in my lunch break ;) |
| 13:53.24 | lcukn900 | next time you are in Manchester, I am sure we can find somewhere to get one. |
| 13:53.36 | lardman|home | sounds good |
| 13:54.05 | lardman|home | looks for liqbook source |
| 13:54.11 | lcukn900 | autobuilder for n8x0 worked and put it into devel |
| 13:54.20 | lardman|home | same code? |
| 13:54.23 | lcukn900 | its on maemo servers |
| 13:54.26 | lcukn900 | yes |
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| 13:54.33 | rsahdu | i need help, on maemo platform , i need a way to receive an screen change event on a mobile device (dali) |
| 13:54.34 | lcukn900 | i submitted at same time |
| 13:54.40 | lcukn900 | so code is on maemo.org |
| 13:54.47 | lcukn900 | apt-get source liqbook |
| 13:55.30 | lcukn900 | it builds and runs, i have tested it on various devices now |
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| 13:56.01 | lcukn900 | it might come up being a bit small, but to make it bigger, just use the q and w keys |
| 13:56.21 | rsahdu | i need help, on maemo platform , i need a way to receive an screen change event on a mobile device (dali) |
| 13:56.22 | lcukn900 | it resizes it, i think it will be visible from orbit. |
| 13:56.41 | lcukn900 | rsahdu dali in public, really? |
| 13:57.08 | ShadowJK | What's dali? |
| 13:57.48 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 13:59.36 | lardman|home | lcukn900: what do you want me to do with the built package? |
| 13:59.53 | ShadowJK | rofl, googling it turns up picture of a 770 |
| 14:00.10 | lcukn900 | lardman, read it. |
| 14:00.19 | lardman|home | what, the app? |
| 14:00.29 | lcukn900 | then find out why its broke and submit it back to builder |
| 14:00.35 | lcukn900 | yes, read liqbook |
| 14:00.45 | lardman|home | well it builds fine here |
| 14:00.57 | lcukn900 | yes, it does here too. |
| 14:01.10 | lcukn900 | read it carefully |
| 14:01.19 | lcukn900 | and let it sink in |
| 14:01.28 | lardman|home | you sound like you're about to start a cult ;) |
| 14:01.48 | lcukn900 | I was talking to someone from the FSF last night and showed him the half sketch version of gpl |
| 14:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | cult of devine liq |
| 14:01.58 | lardman|home | I think the reason it didn't work is that the description was broken |
| 14:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's a rather usual cause |
| 14:02.46 | lardman|home | it built fine, just wasn't imported to the repo |
| 14:03.06 | lardman|home | though tbh I can't see how it's broken, looks ok to me |
| 14:03.25 | lcukn900 | doc, Smile Architect. |
| 14:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | non printable chars? |
| 14:03.45 | lcukn900 | prototype |
| 14:03.59 | lcukn900 | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081126_224040.gary.scr.png |
| 14:04.38 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 14:05.45 | lcukn900 | this is a screenshot of liqbook: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110131_081956.liqbookreader.scr.png |
| 14:06.30 | ShadowJK | you wouldnt want to read my handwriting |
| 14:06.42 | lcukn900 | but you have to read it yourself to see the big picture. |
| 14:06.52 | lcukn900 | shadowjk, many people say the same thing. |
| 14:07.30 | ShadowJK | it's as decipherable as the voynich manuscript |
| 14:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | there's basically no such thing like "my handwriting" - since decades :-P |
| 14:07.34 | lcukn900 | my handwriting is not good, but this takes the best example of each letter, and your most careful attempts and so shows your ideal writing |
| 14:08.10 | lardman|home | your app depends on wget, is that normal? |
| 14:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | the last handwriting I did was that strike thing on palm pilot, 10 years ago |
| 14:08.47 | lcukn900 | yeah lardman, historical thing i never got round to cleaning out |
| 14:09.03 | lardman|home | that makes it uninstallable for me |
| 14:09.16 | lcukn900 | doc, read the book. ask questions later |
| 14:09.19 | lcukn900 | hm? |
| 14:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | book? |
| 14:09.27 | lcukn900 | patch it out |
| 14:09.34 | lcukn900 | liqbook |
| 14:09.41 | lcukn900 | liqbook |
| 14:09.44 | lardman|home | is it actually required though? |
| 14:10.00 | lcukn900 | not in this immediately |
| 14:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | I guess coffee doesn't kick in today. I'm missing to get the picture at large |
| 14:10.21 | lcukn900 | i believe it was used to download pictures right at the start |
| 14:10.43 | lardman|home | hmm, I can't even see where the dep is |
| 14:10.54 | lardman|home | libliqbase1 |
| 14:11.15 | lcukn900 | yeah grep source for wget |
| 14:11.24 | lardman|home | I think you might be asking for a specific version too, as I do have wget installed but it wanted to install a new version |
| 14:11.39 | lardman|home | lcukn900: sorry I don't have time to do libliqbase too atm |
| 14:11.47 | lardman|home | I thought you just wanted a built and re-upload |
| 14:11.51 | lcukn900 | ok |
| 14:11.59 | lardman|home | heads back to work, bbiab |
| 14:12.12 | lcukn900 | i dont understand why its not installable |
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| 14:13.15 | lcukn900 | lardman - liqcalendar has same deps and installs everywhere |
| 14:13.22 | lcukn900 | curious |
| 14:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | is puzzled about whether liqbook is a reader, a novel, a fontset, or whatever |
| 14:16.49 | lcukn900 | x-fade, ping can you please wiggle maemo server |
| 14:17.27 | lcukn900 | doc, read it and tell me what it is. |
| 14:17.41 | lcukn900 | i have heard people say its a digital love letter. |
| 14:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | I FSCKNG HAVE NO CLUE what to read! |
| 14:18.01 | lcukn900 | run liqbook |
| 14:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 14:18.11 | lcukn900 | it has the text inside. |
| 14:18.21 | lcukn900 | to explain |
| 14:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | I *NEVER* ever am going to install any app to just find out what it is. I usually make nasty jokes about noobs doing that |
| 14:20.12 | mairas | X-Fade, whom should we contact to get the pyside-* packages removed from extras-devel? |
| 14:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not even clicking URLs to find out what they are about, without prior hint |
| 14:20.18 | RST38h | Well. Moo all. |
| 14:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h |
| 14:20.37 | RST38h | X-Fade: Please note that qthello is *still* broken in the Extras* repo |
| 14:20.39 | mairas | they're ancient and obsolete and the correct ones are python-pyside-* |
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| 14:20.58 | RST38h | X-Fade: Why not flush the package and make autobuilder rebuild it? |
| 14:22.35 | X-Fade | RST38h: Because debian repos can't overwrite. It needs to be removed and re-numbered then. |
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| 14:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | ""I installed destructive-badblock-test app to see what it does. PLZ HLP!! my data is gone!!1!!111eleven"" MUHAHAHA¡ |
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| 14:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | s/destructive-badblock-test/<random app>/ where liqbook is element of <random app> |
| 14:30.20 | SpeedEvil | Random - http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs - does anyone happen to know who runs this? |
| 14:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | nslu, hmm not really |
| 14:31.23 | SpeedEvil | I should wander over to the IRC and ask I suppose. |
| 14:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | nslu2-log: info |
| 14:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | nslu2-log: help |
| 14:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | nslu2-log: status |
| 14:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | I'm inclined to kickban the bot :-S |
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| 14:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: has nslu2-log clearance to hang around here? Bots default to invite-only (irc policy), esp those who don't properly identify who's their master and contact addr |
| 14:37.22 | SpeedEvil | notices he has 499 karma. |
| 14:37.33 | SpeedEvil | ponders if he can be bothered to do something to add one. |
| 14:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I crossed 500 some days ago ;-D |
| 14:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't so it. You'll feel old all of a sudden :-P |
| 14:41.13 | aboyer | i have some ARM NEON code using 64bit registers that compiles and runs fine on the N900. when i port the algorithm to 128bit data types and instructions, it segfaults. why is this happening? |
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| 14:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: /ns info nslu2-log |
| 14:41.56 | SpeedEvil | oh - that works too - thanks! |
| 14:42.10 | lardman | re |
| 14:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | tbh nslu logs are poor anyway |
| 14:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | no search, to start with |
| 14:43.43 | SpeedEvil | Google search. |
| 14:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 14:43.58 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to get a particular bit of info off the internet. |
| 14:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | sisyphos? |
| 14:45.11 | SpeedEvil | Actually - not that bad. Google has 22 hits |
| 14:45.24 | SpeedEvil | And most of those are multiples of the same datasource. |
| 14:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 14:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | commonly attributed as mission impossible anyway |
| 14:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | each action taken to get it down actually increases the number of links and attention for it |
| 14:47.36 | SpeedEvil | Depends. |
| 14:48.21 | SpeedEvil | I don't care about the attention of the people I'm making the requests to - the data is not of itself interesting. |
| 14:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, as long as distributing the info isn't incriminated by itself, most parties won't even listen |
| 14:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | of course you can change this by offering reasonable donations for compensating the work to clean all files and databases |
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| 14:53.33 | Shapeshifter | impatiently waits for his package to propagate to the catalog |
| 14:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for nslu2-log on #maemo though your chances are good. I would consider it at least rogue to log this chan without proper notice to chan owner, who in turn has to inform chan users about the fact |
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| 14:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | actually chanops and esp chan owner could require nslu2-log to take down complete #maemo logs (unless of course there actually had been granted an explicit permission to nslu2-log to do what they do, which I doubt as the bot doesn't comply with the requirements for IRC bots, regarding "impressum"[aka contact]) |
| 14:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ask mgedmin |
| 14:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | he might know some details |
| 15:00.08 | mgedmin | doesn't |
| 15:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | k, sorry then :-D |
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| 15:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | anybody inclined to explain to me wheter that's fishy or I missed a #ifdef ? please. http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_regs.h#278 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_regs.h#480 |
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| 15:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | also I'm a bit lost about which value (0x02 or 0x04) actually is used right now, e.g. in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c#144 |
| 15:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | hints appreciated |
| 15:28.07 | MrBawb | DocScrutinizer: the ifdef is 216-442, is that what you were looking for? |
| 15:28.24 | MrBawb | CONFIG_BLACKFIN |
| 15:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | i guess that'S what I'm looking for, lemme check |
| 15:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | thanks. Yes, kate fooled me, by foling in the else branch as well :-S |
| 15:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | folding* |
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| 15:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart kate |
| 15:33.47 | infobot | executes killall -KILL kate |
| 15:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsback |
| 15:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 15:34.09 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
| 15:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsmack |
| 15:34.24 | infobot | OWW! |
| 15:35.00 | Shapeshifter | there was some way to see the total downloads for a package and trends and whatnot, how did that work again' |
| 15:35.03 | Shapeshifter | ? |
| 15:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | there's a rather hidden "statistics" link somehwere |
| 15:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | just can't find it |
| 15:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
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| 15:40.08 | Shapeshifter | http://maemo.dadablog.net/AppStats.php?package=alarmed&os=fremantle this is pretty decent |
| 15:40.26 | Shapeshifter | it scrapes the statistics page you probably mean |
| 15:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler/# |
| 15:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | "download statistics" |
| 15:41.14 | anidel | Downloads: 161422 wow.. quite some |
| 15:41.29 | anidel | yeah the statistics are at that link indeed |
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| 15:48.01 | crashanddie | You got to love it, you write a lot of code, and because you know exactly what you want to achieve and how to do it, you write *a lot* before compiling/testing it |
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| 15:48.26 | crashanddie | So you save, get ready for testing, get ready to be hit with a few thousand lines of errors, forgotten semicolons and or typos in variables |
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| 15:48.47 | crashanddie | you compile, get maybe... a couple of errors, fair enough, I'm not that bad after all |
| 15:48.51 | crashanddie | Test it, and... nothing |
| 15:49.01 | crashanddie | nada, niet, niks. |
| 15:49.20 | crashanddie | Fucking editors saving into the wrong files. |
| 15:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: :-/ |
| 15:51.02 | GAN900 | crashanddie, yo. |
| 15:52.12 | crashanddie | yo |
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| 15:53.13 | dewilman | hi |
| 15:54.42 | chem|st | hi dewilman |
| 15:54.49 | GAN900 | crashanddie, so what have we learned? :P |
| 15:55.19 | dewilman | how are u ? |
| 15:56.07 | chem|st | yeaha, found time to upgrade update and download all the new shyt... 4 weeks without device and you get surprised what's new and shiny after a while ;) |
| 15:56.24 | chem|st | I'm fine an U? |
| 15:59.09 | crashanddie | GAN900, contextual information is actually important? |
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| 16:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: \o/ |
| 16:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | feels like xmas, no? |
| 16:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: seen marble? |
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| 16:47.49 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah and Columbus and and lots of upgrades... |
| 16:48.09 | Venemo | good afternoon everyone |
| 16:52.27 | Venemo | achipa: ping |
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| 17:17.34 | _Rui_ | hello |
| 17:18.02 | _Rui_ | how can I install curl/libcurl on my N900? |
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| 17:18.50 | slonopotamus | apt-get install libcurl3? |
| 17:18.52 | zlimvos | any ideas how to download maps to use offline with maep? mappero acts tricky.. |
| 17:21.41 | Proteous | you can do it through the OVI software |
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| 17:28.04 | claw | hey there i am using "Faster Application Manager" and wanted to add maemo.org repositories. I filled the fields with URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ | Distribution: fremantle | Components: free non-free |
| 17:28.08 | claw | is that right ? |
| 17:28.39 | claw | is says 404 for that |
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| 17:29.28 | achipa | Venemo: pong ? |
| 17:29.29 | claw | i tryed to add the repos by editting /etc/apt/sources.list but it does not make any difference |
| 17:29.50 | Venemo | achipa: :) |
| 17:30.16 | Venemo | achipa: you work at Forum Nokia right? |
| 17:30.59 | achipa | Venemo: hey, that is intimate question... |
| 17:31.01 | achipa | :P |
| 17:31.49 | Venemo | achipa: not intimate at all. I think you mentioned it either at TMO or the mailing list. I'm just not entirely sure :P |
| 17:31.52 | achipa | but yes, FN might have to do something with me enjoying the beautiful and rather long Finnish winter :) |
| 17:32.31 | Venemo | achipa: :) |
| 17:32.43 | Venemo | achipa: I don't know if you have anything to do with the Symbian team over there, but do you have any pointers for setting up a Symbian dev environment under Linux? |
| 17:34.58 | achipa | Symwho ? :D We don't do that - some indt guys did some hacks, tho, iirc |
| 17:35.15 | achipa | Venemo: remote compiler is still way easier (and slower :) ) |
| 17:35.19 | zlimvos | Proteous: I am interested in the 'open source' maps like virtual earth and virtual earth satelite, i didnt find anything related to OVI store |
| 17:35.29 | Venemo | achipa: 'slower' is the part I'm worried about :S |
| 17:35.47 | Venemo | achipa: can I also run the remote compiled binary on my device? |
| 17:36.00 | achipa | Venemo: umm, yes, that's the whole point :) |
| 17:36.11 | trumee | guys. is if-down.d called when i go outside the range of wifi? |
| 17:36.16 | achipa | Venemo: no debug tho |
| 17:36.25 | Venemo | achipa: mhm |
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| 17:36.58 | Venemo | achipa: I don't see any option to set the remote compiler or my symbian device as a target |
| 17:37.27 | achipa | Venemo: ? add target, remote compiler, and set the symbian version there |
| 17:37.45 | Venemo | achipa: the add target is greyed out. |
| 17:38.21 | Venemo | achipa: the remote compiler is there in tools/options/qt4 |
| 17:38.30 | Venemo | achipa: but I can't add it as a target :S |
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| 17:39.09 | makulkar | hey guys, is there a default file browser/manager in n900 |
| 17:39.14 | trumee | because i had a script in /etc/network/if-down.d which wasnt executed when i walked outside the range of the wifi |
| 17:39.25 | achipa | Venemo: check if the plugin is enabled |
| 17:39.31 | achipa | in qtc |
| 17:39.41 | Venemo | achipa: where can I check that? |
| 17:39.56 | achipa | Venemo: help->about plugins |
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| 17:40.27 | andre__ | makulkar, yes. |
| 17:40.47 | makulkar | andre, that is? |
| 17:40.57 | Venemo | achipa: I don't see it there |
| 17:41.06 | andre__ | makulkar, nameless |
| 17:41.20 | makulkar | andre, Ok I can not find terminal either. |
| 17:41.28 | andre__ | osso file manager or so? |
| 17:41.29 | achipa | umm... first things first... do you have a FN account and did you enable it in qtc ? |
| 17:41.34 | andre__ | makulkar, well, where are you searching? |
| 17:41.42 | makulkar | andre, I have copied some .deb files over to mass storage and need to install |
| 17:41.56 | makulkar | andre, search app |
| 17:42.03 | andre__ | erm. file manager and terminal are definitely in the application list. |
| 17:42.08 | andre__ | what search app? |
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| 17:43.09 | Venemo | achipa: according to some people, it works on Wine |
| 17:43.36 | makulkar | andre, nope looked at all apps cant find either one :( |
| 17:43.44 | achipa | Venemo: what ? the symbian stuff ? could be, I never bothered with doing it through wine |
| 17:44.10 | andre__ | makulkar, what search app?! |
| 17:44.16 | andre__ | I have no idea what you talk about. |
| 17:44.17 | Venemo | achipa: and there are also some site that has some patched stuff so it works on Linux |
| 17:44.23 | Venemo | achipa: http://www.martin.st/symbian/ |
| 17:46.04 | Venemo | achipa: but for now I'd just like to try the remote compiler |
| 17:46.06 | achipa | Venemo: okay, okay, I know it can be done, it's just that it's fussy :) I'm not that big of a symbian fan to push me over the edge and suffer through that :) |
| 17:46.25 | achipa | Venemo: sooo... FN account set up and terms accepted ? |
| 17:47.12 | achipa | (plus, I don't have a symbian device which kinda lowers the motivation :) ) |
| 17:47.38 | Venemo | achipa: I suppose I may have an FN account, but I haven't heard of any terms. I accepted the terms for the SDK when I installed it though. |
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| 17:48.15 | Venemo | achipa: really sorry for bothering you, but I think you're the most friendly person in that company :) |
| 17:49.06 | achipa | Venemo: hehe :D |
| 17:49.23 | Venemo | achipa: I don't have one either |
| 17:49.30 | achipa | Venemo: but anyway, tools -> options -> qt4 -> remote compiler tab.... IIRC |
| 17:50.00 | Venemo | achipa: however the department of applied informatics could lend me one until I port my app :) |
| 17:50.06 | Venemo | achipa: there is no such tab, sorry |
| 17:50.21 | achipa | wait, that tab moves around a bit... lemme check... |
| 17:51.00 | achipa | Venemo: yeah, sorry, projects, not qt4 |
| 17:51.13 | achipa | if you don't have a remote compiler tab there ,you dont have it installed |
| 17:51.20 | achipa | (-> updater time !) |
| 17:52.34 | Venemo | achipa: guess what. it appears in the crappy version that came with the SDK, but it doesn't with the better version (nightly) that I installed separately |
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| 17:53.07 | achipa | Venemo: nightlies are cheating ! :D but true enough, it's a separate plugin |
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| 17:53.38 | achipa | (i.e. it's not part of qtcreator and hence you won't have it in the nightly) |
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| 17:54.18 | Venemo | achipa: any easy way to enable it in the nightly or should I just use the crappy version? |
| 17:55.03 | achipa | Venemo: you might try to copy over the plugin .so, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an API break |
| 17:55.21 | Venemo | achipa: ookay, trying |
| 17:56.10 | achipa | QtSDK/QtCreator/lib/qtcreator/plugins/Nokia/RemoteCompiler.pluginspec and libRemoteCompiler.so |
| 17:56.15 | achipa | Venemo: ^^ |
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| 17:57.50 | Venemo | achipa: Could not resolve dependency 'Qt4ProjectManager(2.0.95)' |
| 17:58.26 | achipa | bah, as suspected |
| 17:59.20 | Venemo | achipa: tried to edit the .pluginspec and removed the dependeny, but the failed with some other .so |
| 17:59.28 | Venemo | achipa: I'll restort to using the crappy version then |
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| 18:02.37 | achipa | reminds me of publishing that nightly blog... |
| 18:03.07 | achipa | confusing developers in 3...2..1... |
| 18:03.34 | merlin1991 | where where where |
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| 18:03.49 | achipa | http://qt-funk.blogspot.com/2011/02/living-on-nightly-qtcreator-edge.html |
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| 18:04.06 | achipa | not exactly rocket science, but hey, I'm sure there are lost souls who don't know about it |
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| 18:04.55 | Venemo | bah, sorry I got disconnected... forgot to plug in power to my laptop and the battery got exhausted |
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| 18:07.37 | Venemo | anyway, brb. |
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| 18:24.47 | Venemo | is back |
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| 18:35.58 | Venemo | achipa: thanks for your help. I seem to be able to set it up now |
| 18:36.12 | achipa | Venemo: (Y) |
| 18:36.42 | Venemo | achipa: :) |
| 18:36.52 | Venemo | achipa: however I can't find the option to run on a device |
| 18:37.08 | RST38h | TI announces OMAP 5: two high-performance and two low-power cores, devices next year |
| 18:37.49 | achipa | more like 2013... still, those A15s are going to kick butt... |
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| 18:40.38 | Venemo | achipa: I hope the remote compiler servers have a good performance :P |
| 18:41.11 | achipa | Venemo: they should |
| 18:41.23 | Venemo | achipa: oh crap |
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| 18:42.32 | Venemo | achipa: /home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/PUZZLE-MASTER_0XE5B4435F.MMP:35: error: possible real start of unterminated constant ----> there's not even a file with this name. |
| 18:43.06 | Venemo | achipa: it however compiles for both Maemo and desktop correctly. |
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| 18:45.26 | RST38h | "Well-placed sources at Nokia suggest Stephen Elop is considering shifting the executive centre of gravity to Silicon Valley, creating a virtual HQ in the United States." |
| 18:45.34 | Venemo | achipa: I think my best bet is a Windows VM. |
| 18:45.38 | RST38h | In other words, he hates Finland weather =) |
| 18:46.02 | Venemo | hehe RST38h |
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| 18:47.07 | MohammadAG | lol RST38h |
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| 18:49.30 | Venemo | achipa: also, I wanted to ask, do you have an N810 and ~10 minutes of your time? |
| 18:50.11 | achipa | I have an n810... but it's not at hand ATM :( |
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| 18:56.51 | Venemo | achipa: if you have it at hand, please look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69454 |
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| 18:58.03 | achipa | Venemo: oookay... not sure I will be of much use tho - I have the stock Qt libs with Qt4.7 |
| 18:58.15 | achipa | replaced with |
| 18:58.38 | Venemo | achipa: hmm. I didn't know 4.7 was possible on N8x0 |
| 18:59.00 | achipa | Venemo: it is - it's slower than 4.5, tho, that's why I didn't push it |
| 18:59.18 | achipa | plus my hack misses all the integrations the 4.5 had |
| 18:59.31 | achipa | but since I use QML I don't really care about the menu/widget/stuff |
| 18:59.58 | Venemo | achipa: does N810 have an accelerometer? |
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| 19:00.45 | Venemo | achipa: also, what's the #ifdef for Diablo? |
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| 19:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: heh, I sympathise with that guy |
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| 19:09.47 | vi_ | what shit is going down yo? |
| 19:10.37 | vi_ | is it possible to install the maemo build chain on the n900? |
| 19:10.50 | Venemo | vi_: it is, you just need lots of free rootfs |
| 19:11.10 | vi_ | i have 10gb XD |
| 19:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: ossofilemanager on fremantle - no idea about harmattan ;-) |
| 19:11.33 | Venemo | what the hell is this? |
| 19:11.36 | Venemo | Reading debug information failed: |
| 19:11.38 | Venemo | "/home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master": could not open as an executable file: Invalid bfd target |
| 19:11.39 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, flashed rnd image things working fine again |
| 19:12.03 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I never heard of rnd image |
| 19:12.21 | vi_ | does anyone here know anything about perl on the n900? |
| 19:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | vi_: 10GB for sure isn't rootfs, if it comes to N900 maemo |
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| 19:14.50 | Venemo | vi_: rootfs is 256 MB afaik |
| 19:15.09 | vi_ | oh |
| 19:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I guess you'll tell us WTH it is |
| 19:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | even less, maybe 248 |
| 19:15.31 | vi_ | well i have 10gb omthing |
| 19:15.46 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: that's what Qt Creator tells me when I try debugging on N900 |
| 19:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | there's other MTD partitions, for kernel, CAL, etc |
| 19:15.55 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: but I don't know why - it worked before |
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| 19:16.21 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
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| 19:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | key is ""Reading debug information failed:"" |
| 19:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | try `file /home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master` |
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| 19:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | vi_: I have 160GB something, just not on rootfs of N900 |
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| 19:19.21 | andrius | hi, can anybody explain how to fix "E: Handler silently failed" issue |
| 19:19.25 | andrius | or work around it |
| 19:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h / |
| 19:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 19:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | rootfs 227.9M 154.4M 69.3M 69% / |
| 19:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | andrius: no |
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| 19:20.34 | franz_ | [13:37] < DocScrutinizer> franz_: or exec=sh -c 'SHELLVAR=val binary' |
| 19:20.37 | franz_ | thanks |
| 19:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 19:20.55 | andrius | what exactly does that error message mean? |
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| 19:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
| 19:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | If it shows up on my TV, it might mean I had too much cheap tequila the night before |
| 19:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | but maybe you can tell me what means "Sorry, your request can't be handled due to technical problems" |
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| 19:26.40 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the result is http://fpaste.org/iRhc/ |
| 19:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: are you sure this is supposed to be a ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV) ? Not maybe an ARM binary? |
| 19:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I.E maybe the debugger expects an ARM binary |
| 19:30.33 | MohammadAG | hmm, if I put my SIM in a 3G modem, will I be charged extra? |
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| 19:31.24 | franz_ | there isn't a way for them to figure out, unless you use way more data than usual |
| 19:31.26 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well this is an ARM executable that the crosscompiler creates |
| 19:31.32 | Venemo | MohammadAG: just data rates |
| 19:32.02 | MohammadAG | Venemo, so it's the same as for example, using mobilehotspot? |
| 19:32.19 | Venemo | MohammadAG: data is just data, as far as the operator is concerned |
| 19:33.18 | MohammadAG | Venemo, was just wondering since mobiles don't dial a number |
| 19:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: http://old.nabble.com/Invalid-bfd-target-td1133013.html http://www.google.de/search?q=Invalid+bfd+target |
| 19:33.32 | MohammadAG | but 3G modems do (and on that note, how do I know what number I should dial?) |
| 19:34.24 | Venemo | MohammadAG: mobiles do that too (they use their modem the same way), it's just done in the background. DocScrutinizer should know better if I'm not correct about this |
| 19:34.32 | Sicelo | MohammadAG: usually it's #777 |
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| 19:34.46 | trx | im using QTabWigdet in my app and have some trouble with its close button (on the tab buttons), there isnt a "X" picture but something else |
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| 19:35.22 | trx | i found a way to change that via stylesheets, but i cant seem to find from where should i load the "X" picture that is currently in use? |
| 19:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: your phone *is* a 3G modem |
| 19:35.44 | trx | (for other stuff, like app close button) |
| 19:35.49 | trx | any idea? |
| 19:36.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes, but I don't see it asking for a number |
| 19:36.10 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the weird thing is that I don't compile this myself. Qt Creator does. |
| 19:36.15 | MohammadAG | where does it get the number? |
| 19:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: this is some defacto standard |
| 19:36.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and why do USB 3G modems not implement it? |
| 19:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | in e.g windows setup you still can edit the number, iirc it's *99# by default |
| 19:37.32 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: *99# is GPRS |
| 19:37.37 | Venemo | yes, it's *99# here too. |
| 19:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: umm yes |
| 19:38.04 | Venemo | Sicelo: it works with HSDPA too |
| 19:38.21 | MohammadAG | yeah, it's *99# here too |
| 19:38.31 | Venemo | MohammadAG: Nokia basically stores the relevant settings for each operator in every country in their phones. this is why it automagically knows |
| 19:38.43 | MohammadAG | Venemo, that's not possible |
| 19:38.45 | Venemo | MohammadAG: also there's probably some setting to change it somewhere |
| 19:38.50 | Sicelo | oh, I never knew that. thanks |
| 19:38.55 | Venemo | MohammadAG: not possible? |
| 19:39.00 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 19:39.03 | MohammadAG | what if a new operator's out? |
| 19:39.14 | MohammadAG | you only need the access point name, the username and pass |
| 19:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on e.g. N900 you don't need to issue a 'number' as the way the cmt works is well known |
| 19:39.19 | MohammadAG | and it works automatically |
| 19:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | so 'number' can get hardcoded |
| 19:39.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so basically, it always dials *99#? |
| 19:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: *99# is no real number, it's a command to the cmt |
| 19:41.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ah |
| 19:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | GPRS is not a Circuit Switched Data cnnection. But you *could* probably establish such a 'call' alike data connection to arbitrary far ends, by dialing a real number |
| 19:41.31 | Trewas | everytime I have started to use a new phone or changed SIM to another one, the operator has sent a few SMS messages automagically which include some settings, no idea which ones though |
| 19:41.56 | Trewas | and there is /etc/operator_settings in n900 which seems relevant |
| 19:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | those contain APN, user, and pw |
| 19:42.28 | jacekowski | i think n900 has all settings already in |
| 19:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | see Trewas ^^^ |
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| 19:43.14 | jacekowski | anybody on base in belgium |
| 19:43.26 | jacekowski | is data roaming in france free |
| 19:43.41 | jacekowski | as in included |
| 19:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | haha, that'd be amazing news |
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| 19:43.50 | jacekowski | well |
| 19:44.04 | jacekowski | i' connected now to f sfr base |
| 19:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | data roaming either doesn't work at all, or a minute cost more than gold |
| 19:44.19 | jacekowski | and i have data here |
| 19:44.30 | jacekowski | just got asked to allow data roaming |
| 19:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | my condolescences, you're already broke |
| 19:44.49 | jacekowski | it's prepqaid |
| 19:44.57 | jacekowski | and i had 5euro on it |
| 19:45.27 | jacekowski | i can afford to waste that |
| 19:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | heh, don't get misunderstood, carriers manage to charge you on prepaid as well :-P |
| 19:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | suddenly your account is at 5000$ debit, and they know where to find you X-P |
| 19:47.05 | jacekowski | well o've seen vodafone add |
| 19:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, roaming on a payg card been never heard to work |
| 19:47.29 | jacekowski | where they were saying something about free roaming |
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| 19:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | at least for data |
| 19:47.43 | jacekowski | well |
| 19:47.50 | jacekowski | it's working for me |
| 19:48.01 | jacekowski | unless lille is in belgium |
| 19:48.01 | MohammadAG | <jacekowski> i think n900 has all settings already in |
| 19:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | umm yeah, for like 50ct/min |
| 19:48.13 | MohammadAG | except Orange JO |
| 19:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 19:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | you can bet on Orange * settings |
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| 19:49.29 | jacekowski | besides if it's same operator then they can afford to give you free/cheap data roaming |
| 19:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be surprised to find then using different APN etc specifically in JO |
| 19:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: as mentioned above, that'd be new and exciting |
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| 19:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | maybe apple manages to push carriers to do that eventually |
| 19:51.24 | jacekowski | well i' in france with belgian sim and i'm still talking to you |
| 19:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | check your balance |
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| 19:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | *111# or sth like that |
| 19:52.21 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, IL Orange is not Orange |
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| 19:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | it might actually show -30$ by now |
| 19:52.31 | MohammadAG | it's Partners Communications LTD |
| 19:52.36 | jacekowski | impossible |
| 19:52.54 | jacekowski | unless belgium staryed using dollars in last couple minutes |
| 19:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 19:53.21 | jacekowski | how to check ballance on base? |
| 19:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 19:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | no base here, they are crap in Germany |
| 19:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | status info 1155 |
| 19:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | voice call |
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| 19:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | charge = *104# |
| 19:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe this is query as well |
| 19:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | actually |
| 19:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | charge = *104#<chargenumber># |
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| 19:56.41 | jacekowski | nope |
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| 19:57.13 | jacekowski | unknown application |
| 19:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | try *#104#, *111#, *100# |
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| 19:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | but all this doesn't work while roaming |
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| 19:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | so your only bet is to dial home (+CC carrier-code 1155) |
| 19:58.31 | Venemo | achipa: allow me one more question. I see that I can use icons from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/ea47d047-431c-4de8-92a6-dbcc799757ff/Maemo_5_Icon_List_v1_0_en.zip.html in my app, but can I use them even if my app isn't for Maemo 5? |
| 19:58.43 | Venemo | achipa: I mean, can I use the icons on other platforms? |
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| 19:59.20 | nox- | moin |
| 19:59.28 | javispedro | morning |
| 20:00.22 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.47 | nox- | moin javispedro |
| 20:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://www.base.de/Mobiles-Internet/Mein-BASE-Internet-Flatrates.aspx |
| 20:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | maybe base.be for you |
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| 20:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.base.be/fr/base-welkom-bienvenue-welcome?redirect= |
| 20:04.15 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, how to take screenshot of maemo device? any short cut/software for that? |
| 20:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | ctrl-shift-P |
| 20:04.44 | javispedro | then look at Images folder (not Camera) |
| 20:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 20:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: then there's also the screenshot function in load-applet, to be found in system-menu (click on clock, then select camera from the menu) |
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| 20:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | but that's somewhat clumsy, and only advantage is it triggers either auto after 20s (configurable afaik) or on pressing cam button |
| 20:09.01 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, i have to report bug and need screen shot.. tried ctrl-shift-p dont see any images in gallery |
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| 20:09.15 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, will try the second one now |
| 20:09.19 | DocScrutinizer | thanks to transitions you sometimes see a shadow of the yellow notifier telling you about this, in the screenshot :-P |
| 20:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: I'd in images folder, as javispedro mentioned |
| 20:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | it's* |
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| 20:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | gallery isn't updated for every screenshot, so it might take quite some time until trackerd considers to rescan |
| 20:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: workaround: take a picture with cam, so gallery gets updated. This should make tracker find the screenshot as well |
| 20:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | or enter "file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images" to microb URL |
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| 20:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | search for screenshotXX.png there |
| 20:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | hooray for microb, the better HFM :-P |
| 20:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | even knows how to display .png ;-D |
| 20:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | and knows about / !! \o/ |
| 20:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | a pitty you can't copy or edit or delete files in microb ;-) |
| 20:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | for all other aspects it's a magnitude better than HFM for browsing file hierachy - IMHO |
| 20:22.41 | wazd | oh my god, new gizmodo design cries "we're apple fanboys!" :) |
| 20:22.57 | javispedro | not to mention it is a usability nightmare.. |
| 20:23.13 | javispedro | and also follows what I'm going to call Engadget's law |
| 20:23.22 | wazd | unfortunatelly, apple.com has already moved to the next step :) |
| 20:23.47 | javispedro | when the current generation's Nokia Tablet device is fast enough to load the current Engadget's CSS, Javascript, and rest of crap in reasonable time, Engadget moves on. |
| 20:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | ops, for me it's even file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot_xxxxx_yyyyy.png |
| 20:24.17 | javispedro | ("moves on" as in: exponentially increases the size of the CSS, the Javascript and the images) |
| 20:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: ^ for me it's even file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot_xxxxx_yyyyy.png |
| 20:24.42 | wazd | javispedro: website that looks like a white page with javascript turned off - pathetic crap |
| 20:25.09 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, nope dont see it there either. May be harminttan has different location? |
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| 20:25.17 | javispedro | wazd: so truer. |
| 20:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | possible |
| 20:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | not even clear if harmattan has that ctrl-shift-p shortcut |
| 20:25.57 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, hmm took a pic from camera dont see even that file in above path :) |
| 20:26.07 | makulkar | but i see in gallery |
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| 20:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: so find out how to convince fsckng gallery to tell you about true full pathname |
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| 20:30.36 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, found the captured image but i guess screenshot short cut doesnt work |
| 20:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha hrhrhr, opened picture in galery, menu, "save as" ----> galery frozen - hildon: "doesn't react, kill?" |
| 20:32.40 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: take screeshot, take picture, `find / -mmin 10 -ls` |
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| 20:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | (you'll probably need *real* find for that, not messybox crap) |
| 20:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | should yield all files modified last ten minutes |
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| 20:33.53 | crashanddie_ | i'm so bummed :( |
| 20:33.57 | makulkar | unrecognized -mmin |
| 20:34.06 | crashanddie_ | My 2nd (out of the 3) ps3s died on me |
| 20:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 20:34.10 | crashanddie_ | blueray drive is dead, again |
| 20:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 20:34.13 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 20:34.22 | crashanddie_ | I contacted Sony |
| 20:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: :-( |
| 20:34.41 | crashanddie_ | They're willing to replace it, even though it's out of warranty, if I have the proof of purchase, which I don't |
| 20:35.40 | crashanddie_ | I contacted the store |
| 20:36.10 | crashanddie_ | they can find the proof of purchase, provided I give an exact date, exact amount (got that), type of purchase (cash, credit, etc), a rough hour, and 50 euros |
| 20:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: apt-get install findutils-gnu ;-) |
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| 20:36.30 | crashanddie_ | which is just proposterous |
| 20:36.43 | crashanddie_ | and if they don't find it, I don't get to keep the 50 euros |
| 20:36.54 | MohammadAG | I'd buy a BD drive |
| 20:37.04 | MohammadAG | it's piss easy to assemble |
| 20:37.05 | jacekowski | back in england |
| 20:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: send 50$ worth in glycerine trinitrate |
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| 20:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | err EUR |
| 20:38.01 | MohammadAG | when my drive died, they wanted to send it to the US to be fixed |
| 20:38.05 | MohammadAG | shipping costs on me |
| 20:38.13 | MohammadAG | so I said fuck it and bought a drive off ebay |
| 20:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | "free shipping" I suppose :-D |
| 20:40.01 | MohammadAG | hah |
| 20:40.08 | MohammadAG | can't actually remember, but it turned out cheaper |
| 20:40.14 | MohammadAG | and disassembly's easy |
| 20:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | I bet |
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| 20:40.25 | MohammadAG | the ribbons are cool |
| 20:40.40 | MohammadAG | you just have to raise a plastic piece, then slide the ribbon out |
| 20:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | FPC I guess |
| 20:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep, FPC |
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| 20:41.05 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: on the slim? |
| 20:41.13 | MohammadAG | slims use SATA I think |
| 20:41.22 | MohammadAG | though I never disassembled a slim |
| 20:41.31 | crashanddie_ | well, there's this one guy who claims he found how to fix it |
| 20:41.40 | MohammadAG | phats use a proprietary ribbon |
| 20:41.55 | crashanddie_ | it appears to be just a simple plastic slider that can get stuck out of their shaft |
| 20:42.52 | crashanddie_ | tbh, I'd rather get it replaced, I've given Sony over a grand just in PS3's, and probably *a lot* more in games |
| 20:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | can't say he's actually axcious to see harmattan coming |
| 20:43.13 | crashanddie_ | I'm not axcious either |
| 20:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | anxious* |
| 20:43.20 | crashanddie_ | well, depends, what's axcious? |
| 20:44.09 | crashanddie_ | I've bought over 40 games ever since the ps3 came out, maybe I'm just using them too much? |
| 20:44.21 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: have you been following the homebrew scene? |
| 20:46.44 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, not much, went to OFW the other day |
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| 21:43.27 | MohammadAG | can someone check something for me? |
| 21:43.51 | ieatlint | what's that? |
| 21:43.52 | MohammadAG | open modest, go to some folder, tap the title bar, select move message, tap any message and click move |
| 21:43.57 | MohammadAG | what does the dialog button say? |
| 21:44.09 | MohammadAG | you can select any message, you're cancelling the dialog after all |
| 21:50.00 | anidel | "New" |
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| 21:52.44 | MohammadAG | anidel, thanks |
| 21:52.57 | anidel | you're welcome |
| 21:55.10 | pronto | the SMS box needs spell check D: |
| 21:55.23 | Sc0rpius | what does it say |
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| 22:02.47 | Venemo | hey again |
| 22:03.35 | Venemo | alterego: ping |
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| 22:13.13 | Venemo | alterego: I looked at you Maemo5ToolButton source and made something similar, although I didn't make a subclass for it |
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| 22:15.04 | Venemo | alterego: however the code that removes the border also removes the background when pressed... :( |
| 22:15.16 | Venemo | alterego: it's setStyleSheet("QToolButton {border: none}"); |
| 22:15.54 | Venemo | alterego: without this, there's an annoying border around it |
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| 22:22.36 | trumee | what is the recommended/most used twitter app on N900? |
| 22:25.20 | Robot101 | trumee: tweego is nice |
| 22:25.42 | trumee | Robot101: thanks. will try that out |
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| 22:26.29 | trumee | Robot101: was that sip MWI code useful at all? |
| 22:27.26 | Robot101 | I gave it to our sip guy but he's been working on some other stuff atm |
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| 22:30.00 | trumee | Robot101: ok, like improving this bug #10388 :p |
| 22:30.01 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? |
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| 22:32.24 | Robot101 | trumee: no, that's be an rtp guy |
| 22:33.24 | lardman | evening chaps |
| 22:34.44 | trumee | Robot101: rtp guy= olivier? |
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| 22:51.33 | lardman | I'm guessing it is possible, but can one get keypresses from /dev/input?/* directly? |
| 22:51.50 | lardman | e.g. in a shell script named init ;) |
| 22:52.06 | javispedro | yes, but from a shell script might no be that easy |
| 22:52.31 | SpeedEvil | dd to pull out 16 byte chunks. hmm. |
| 22:52.47 | lardman | hmm |
| 22:52.50 | SpeedEvil | I think you can pull key up/down events. |
| 22:52.54 | SpeedEvil | using dd |
| 22:53.01 | lardman | so I need to read 16 byte chunks basically? |
| 22:53.01 | SpeedEvil | but then mapping them to chars will be hard |
| 22:53.20 | SpeedEvil | the /dev/input/* are in 16 byte chunks with event structures |
| 22:53.26 | SpeedEvil | which have timestamps and shizzle. |
| 22:53.36 | javispedro | you might /dev/console instead |
| 22:53.41 | javispedro | *want |
| 22:54.01 | lardman | but /dev/console won't be accepting input at that point will it? |
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| 22:54.18 | lardman | or does it automatically receive keypresses during boot? |
| 22:54.34 | javispedro | well, there's a way the first shell gets its keypresses :) |
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| 22:55.07 | SpeedEvil | Actually - seems to be 48 bytes |
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| 22:56.10 | lardman | javispedro: yeah, but it probably opens the /dev files |
| 22:56.10 | SpeedEvil | k00002c10 7c 78 50 4d fa 7f 0b 00 04 00 04 00 25 00 00 00 ||xPMú.......%...| |
| 22:56.10 | SpeedEvil | 00002c20 7c 78 50 4d 08 80 0b 00 01 00 25 00 00 00 00 00 ||xPM......%.....| |
| 22:56.10 | SpeedEvil | 00002c30 7c 78 50 4d 0b 80 0b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ||xPM............| |
| 22:56.13 | SpeedEvil | keyup of a k |
| 22:56.22 | SpeedEvil | the % is the k |
| 22:56.22 | lardman | hmm |
| 22:56.27 | javispedro | lardman: nah, a shell will never read /dev/input/* directly |
| 22:56.28 | SpeedEvil | I think |
| 22:56.41 | lardman | stdin then? |
| 22:56.48 | javispedro | stdin points to /dev/console |
| 22:56.49 | lardman | or is console read write? |
| 22:56.52 | lardman | ok |
| 22:56.54 | SpeedEvil | something hooks the shell to the console |
| 22:56.55 | javispedro | yep, it's a tty |
| 22:57.09 | lardman | but I'll have the same issue I guess that I need to read from it somehow |
| 22:57.21 | SpeedEvil | i'm unsure if the shell will read the console normally |
| 22:57.46 | lardman | I'll explain what I want to do, might make life easier and you may have a better suggestion: |
| 22:57.47 | MohammadAG | lardman, whatcha hacking around with? :) |
| 22:58.33 | SpeedEvil | reading the accel fromshell is a doddle. |
| 22:58.35 | lardman | Galaxy Tab, I've changed init to look for a btrfs partition on the external SD or a vfat partition + meego.img ext2 loop file, but sometimes I would like to just boot Android without needing to remove the uSD card |
| 22:58.48 | SpeedEvil | I have half a script to do this. |
| 22:58.53 | SpeedEvil | If one way up, do one thing |
| 22:58.57 | SpeedEvil | if the other, do another |
| 22:58.58 | lardman | :) |
| 22:59.22 | lardman | presumably the eventX device returns different data for that then? |
| 22:59.40 | lardman | as on the Tab the accelerometer is mapped to an eventX device afair |
| 22:59.56 | SpeedEvil | read x y z < /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 22:59.56 | SpeedEvil | if [[ $z -lt -800 ]] |
| 23:00.10 | MohammadAG | lardman, isn't there some GPIO device? |
| 23:00.27 | MohammadAG | like a keylock switch, camera cover, keyboard, etc |
| 23:00.39 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that too. |
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| 23:01.06 | SpeedEvil | wonders why mbarcode is segfaulting on open camera. |
| 23:01.10 | lardman | there's an on/off switch, a vol up, vol down, and some touchscreen buttons which seem to work and are apparently mapped to an eventX dev |
| 23:01.24 | SpeedEvil | Oh - this was a tab question? |
| 23:01.24 | lardman | also wonders at SpeedEvil's problem |
| 23:01.34 | javispedro | messed his xorg =) |
| 23:01.39 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I have way too much stuff installed. |
| 23:01.44 | MohammadAG | find /sys -name state |
| 23:02.02 | MohammadAG | if android has those |
| 23:02.13 | lardman | what does that look for? |
| 23:02.16 | lardman | state files? |
| 23:02.33 | lardman | goes to find the Tab, hang on a tick |
| 23:02.53 | MohammadAG | gpio devices usually have a state file |
| 23:03.02 | MohammadAG | indicating "open" or "closed" |
| 23:03.12 | lardman | re |
| 23:05.13 | lardman | so I have some gpio state files |
| 23:05.26 | lardman | and some graphics state files |
| 23:05.37 | lardman | none of which look like likely suspects |
| 23:07.19 | lardman | gpio-keys... hmm |
| 23:08.35 | lardman | hmm ok, I'll do some shell script experimentation to see what these random gpio dirs refer to |
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| 23:10.36 | lardman | ~curse the Android devs who decided that Tab wouldn't be accepted by the shell |
| 23:10.36 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the Android devs who decided that Tab wouldn't be accepted by the shell ! |
| 23:10.50 | lardman | hmm, perhaps a step up, not a good curse |
| 23:12.02 | pahartik | has noticed that "Fennec beta 4" is otherwise good but does not have "double tap element width zoom" anymore |
| 23:13.28 | ieatlint | acknowledges the observation |
| 23:13.37 | nox- | hm fennec no longer `eats ram like candy'? |
| 23:14.57 | lardman | hmm, how long does package promotion actually take? |
| 23:15.04 | lardman | -devel to -testing |
| 23:17.28 | lardman | A package can have a single maintainer and multiple uploaders I understand, are all these listed people able to promote said package? |
| 23:18.26 | MohammadAG | if they're listed in the maintainer section in maemo.org/packages, yes |
| 23:18.43 | pahartik | nox-: I have not noticed such with "Fennec beta 3" or "Fennec beta 4", but then again... Browsers I use never load images by default or execute "application/javascript"... Proxy even strips "script" -elements out from documents |
| 23:18.52 | lardman | I thought the maintainer field could only have one person |
| 23:18.56 | lardman | ? |
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| 23:19.55 | pahartik | ieatlint: Has that feature fallen out by accident or is it disabled by purpose? |
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| 23:20.49 | ieatlint | no clue |
| 23:21.16 | leftright | hey guys |
| 23:21.16 | lardman | urgh, /me looks at the 06.28 train he needs to catch on Wed |
| 23:22.06 | leftright | Ive got n900, any idea what opengl version it supports |
| 23:22.15 | leftright | is it 2.0 or ES |
| 23:22.22 | lardman | es 2.0 afair |
| 23:22.47 | ieatlint | lardman: i can sympathise.. i have to get up at 7am every day this week, drive 45 miles and then stare at slides for 8 hours |
| 23:23.01 | ieatlint | but they do give me mediocre coffee |
| 23:23.10 | lardman | ieatlint: /me feels pain at the 8hours of slide staring |
| 23:23.15 | lardman | lol |
| 23:23.33 | lardman | I have to go to a 2hr meeting, and it will take be the best part of 3.5h to get there |
| 23:23.53 | ieatlint | :( |
| 23:23.53 | lardman | they don't pay enough these days to drive and that would take at least 2.5h |
| 23:24.02 | lardman | at least I can do some work on the train |
| 23:24.15 | ieatlint | tomorrow i have to do a conference call for an hour before the 8h of slides, and then meet my boss for dinner afterwards |
| 23:24.29 | lardman | long day |
| 23:24.29 | ieatlint | capitalism sucks |
| 23:24.44 | lardman | depends where you sit the chain I guess |
| 23:24.47 | lardman | :) |
| 23:24.57 | lardman | sit in the chain that should have been |
| 23:24.58 | ieatlint | haha, yeah |
| 23:25.06 | lardman | not thinking about choking people |
| 23:25.22 | ieatlint | i'm kinda thinking about strangling people actually |
| 23:25.49 | lardman | strangling is better than choking, comes on more gradually and is less uncomfortable so they won't realise you;re doing it |
| 23:25.55 | lardman | ;) |
| 23:26.04 | ieatlint | not always true |
| 23:26.20 | kodomo | javispedro: out of interest: you probably didn't happen to have the drivers packaged for the DisplayLink setup, did you? I've bought myself one... :P (or a more detailed howto? :) ) |
| 23:26.24 | lardman | ieatlint: really, how so? |
| 23:26.51 | ieatlint | strangle is just an act... it doesn't really describe how violent the act is |
| 23:26.58 | javispedro | kodomo: no, no way to sanely package the entire thing, as it's basically Xorg (Xvnc). |
| 23:27.02 | ieatlint | i can violently strangle someone with a chain, for example |
| 23:27.17 | lardman | no, strangle is cutting off the blood supply, while choking is cutting off the air supply |
| 23:27.18 | ieatlint | that is, if i weren't a weak geek i could |
| 23:27.45 | lardman | is less uncomfortable to have your bloody supply cut off than your air supply |
| 23:28.16 | ieatlint | i think a practical demonstration is required here |
| 23:28.27 | javispedro | wonders if he just entered a alternate reality |
| 23:28.56 | javispedro | is this the alternate universe's #maemo evil twin channel? |
| 23:28.59 | lardman | lol |
| 23:29.13 | ieatlint | :P |
| 23:29.29 | javispedro | maemo: use it. or die. with a chain. |
| 23:29.30 | ieatlint | just come out for the meego conference and i'll show you which one of me is the real one |
| 23:29.33 | lardman | well it is a slightly strange conversation; I do Aikido though, and was practising chokes and strangles the other day, hence my interest |
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| 23:31.04 | lardman | that's killed the conversation, probably strangled as there were no last gasps, let's move on :) |
| 23:31.04 | kodomo | javispedro: ic - so I guess that you had to compile the mentioned parts yourself in the SDK? Was it rather straightforward, or were there pitfalls, I should know of when I'll try to reproduce it? ;) |
| 23:31.36 | javispedro | you're the second one to ask... .I don't remember any pitfalls. Then again, the first one who asked never came back, maybe the pitfall is that Xorg is volatile or something... |
| 23:32.46 | kodomo | hm :-| |
| 23:36.52 | kodomo | javispedro: thx for the answer - let's see whether I can figure it out... |
| 23:37.08 | javispedro | you might want to start with something simpler |
| 23:37.14 | javispedro | x11vnc (already packaged) |
| 23:37.41 | javispedro | then vnc2dl |
| 23:37.53 | javispedro | ( http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/vnc2dl ) |
| 23:39.01 | javispedro | do not expect video or games performance, but it works ok for office use. |
| 23:39.28 | kodomo | that's what I intend it for ;) |
| 23:40.08 | kodomo | won't I need to compile libdlo before vnc2dl, or is it contained in vnc2dl? |
| 23:40.16 | javispedro | yes |
| 23:40.18 | javispedro | er |
| 23:40.21 | javispedro | libdlo first. |
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| 23:40.43 | javispedro | that came with a nice test app. |
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| 23:46.10 | kodomo | TAck - will try (will take time, though - I'm still waiting for some adapter, and I've got to reinstall the SDK :P ) |
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