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| 00:54.04 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Epic OC fatality: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68795 |
| 00:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, nonsense |
| 00:55.12 | stevomanu | im runnging this command tar xf 20110201-0838-rootfs.tar -C ./rootfs/ an result is tar: rootfs: Cannot chdir: No such file or directory |
| 00:55.25 | stevomanu | its defo in right place |
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| 01:01.15 | villager | sleepee: sometimes rebooting also helps... oh, and according to this page you may need 42MB or so of free rootfs space: http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update |
| 01:02.49 | sleepee | i think i also have some apps i installed from extras-devel so i may have to uninstall those too.. |
| 01:02.54 | sleepee | this might take a while... |
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| 01:13.11 | sleepee | does debian chroot take up a lot of space on rootfs? |
| 01:13.31 | villager | no |
| 01:13.53 | villager | that is placed on the emmc, not on rootfs |
| 01:14.47 | sleepee | hmmm.. i thought so. i'm just uninstalling random apps hoping to free some space. especially the ones from extras-devel |
| 01:15.26 | villager | most apps are optified, which means designed to not use rootfs space, so unless you've installed something that isn't optified, that won't help much |
| 01:16.25 | sleepee | oh... guess i was wasting my time lol |
| 01:16.44 | villager | disabling extras-devel in the application manager, though, may help because the app catalog itself is stored on the rootfs |
| 01:17.22 | villager | and that can be done without uninstalling anything |
| 01:17.22 | sleepee | i disabled a few repos and it didn't seem to free up any space... i think i'll restart and see if that makes a difference |
| 01:19.34 | stevomanu | have you not created a backup using backupmenu ?? |
| 01:20.09 | sleepee | yea, i think i created a backup on my computer using nokia pc suite. |
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| 01:20.56 | sleepee | i was hoping i wouldn't need to use it though.. |
| 01:21.45 | stevomanu | check out this post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 app is called backupmenu v2 an it creates a backup of every thing no need to download apps again |
| 01:22.40 | stevomanu | when you have a working system you like back it up then if any thing goes wrong just use app to restore it all /. , saves so much time |
| 01:24.05 | sleepee | so the only thing it doesnt back up is the MyDocs data? it saves everything else? |
| 01:24.49 | stevomanu | yep thats correct |
| 01:25.28 | sleepee | hmmm... good call. i think i better do that now before i do something stupid. lol |
| 01:25.28 | stevomanu | just as you left it , its probly my best app for n900 |
| 01:25.44 | sleepee | you made it? |
| 01:26.28 | stevomanu | well no point now if your system is flawed as you will just have same problems after restore my advice is flash it fresh then get you device as you want an backup |
| 01:27.26 | sleepee | well.. my phone's not really messed up. i just have to free up some space on rootfs so i can update maemo. |
| 01:27.59 | stevomanu | ye but a reflash gets rid of the junk you no longer need , but its up to you of course |
| 01:28.02 | sleepee | but it would probably be a good idea to backup before i keep messing around in root... |
| 01:28.34 | stevomanu | doesnt matter cause its dead easy to reflash if you do kill it !! |
| 01:29.18 | sleepee | lol! i feel really stupid because i barely know what flashing means.. more reason to backup. lol |
| 01:29.58 | stevomanu | just have a read here all the info you need http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 01:29.59 | sleepee | seems i was right... rebooting after uninstalling some apps freed up some space.. |
| 01:30.33 | sleepee | yea, i have a fair bit of reading to do tonight lol |
| 01:30.55 | stevomanu | once you have done it , nothing to it |
| 01:31.16 | stevomanu | my irc says i have missed 44 unread messages why i cant see then |
| 01:31.23 | stevomanu | 45 |
| 01:31.37 | nox- | memoserv? |
| 01:31.44 | nox- | i think you can /msg memoserv help |
| 01:32.23 | stevomanu | new to irc i am its all a bit strange |
| 01:32.54 | nox- | im not sure maybe its also more a freenode thing than an irc one |
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| 01:33.39 | Venemo | MohammadAG: pingping |
| 01:33.46 | sleepee | i'm new too as you can probably guess.. |
| 01:33.52 | villager | yeah, freenode is doing all sorts of crap that's not standard irc |
| 01:34.00 | stevomanu | ok cool |
| 01:34.56 | BCMM | villager: it's not exactly violation of standards, just implementation of extra stuff that isn't standard |
| 01:35.22 | BCMM | anyway, aren't all services non-standard extensions? |
| 01:35.22 | villager | BCMM: I know, I didn't say it was a violation |
| 01:35.41 | doc|home | he didn't say you said it was a ... etc etc |
| 01:35.45 | doc|home | :) |
| 01:35.51 | BCMM | this is why there isn't a reliable way to automate nickserv identification that works with all networks |
| 01:36.16 | BCMM | if nickservs where standardised, an IRC client could wait for nickserv to confirm login before /joining |
| 01:36.20 | BCMM | ^were |
| 01:36.31 | BCMM | as it is, they don't know how nickserv will do that |
| 01:36.36 | villager | (but I did say it was crap... and I'll stick to that...) |
| 01:37.29 | BCMM | villager: having a nickserv is crap? |
| 01:38.04 | BCMM | oh wow, you aren't identified... |
| 01:38.05 | villager | probably... but having a memoserv is worse |
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| 02:59.03 | Dhraakellian | enables -devel ever so briefly to install aptitude |
| 02:59.48 | Dhraakellian | would, of course, prefer zypper, but that's probably in a large part because he's an openSUSE user and is used to it |
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| 03:30.55 | daxt | How many of you have accidently put your N900 into a bucket of water ? |
| 03:31.34 | fellu | :D |
| 03:31.35 | fellu | why |
| 03:32.10 | daxt | mine felled last night |
| 03:32.22 | daxt | and now its struggling to boot up :( |
| 03:33.06 | Dhraakellian | daxt: remove battery immediately, let sit for a couple days? |
| 03:33.18 | sleepee | that sux.. i've gotten mine wet, but not completely wet like that |
| 03:33.44 | sleepee | i saw a youtube vid of some guy that stuck his n900 in a bucket of rice for a few hours. the phone worked after that |
| 03:33.45 | daxt | its already removed , camera lense has some moisture inside |
| 03:34.06 | daxt | i am sure that PCB in the phone is intact |
| 03:34.22 | sleepee | rice soaks up moisture |
| 03:34.55 | sleepee | raw rice, of course. not cooked lol |
| 03:35.41 | Dhraakellian | does not like HAM |
| 03:39.36 | sleepee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y030QJbaUus |
| 03:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | daxt: stick it in a bag of desiccant or if you don't have any on hand, rice. |
| 03:40.10 | GeneralAntilles | daxt: trying to power it on while it's wet will mess stuff up. |
| 03:40.39 | daxt | it tries to boot up |
| 03:40.53 | daxt | i see the 4 white dots |
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| 03:41.02 | daxt | and suddenly fone turns off |
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| 03:49.52 | sleepee | a few years ago i jumped into a pool with my phone in my pocket. lol! but what i did was wrap up the phone with some clothes and stuck in the dryer for an hour or so.. |
| 03:50.40 | sleepee | after that it worked fine... of course, it was a simple flip phone.. i don't know if that's a good idea with the n900 |
| 03:51.09 | daxt | without Electricity in it , N900 shud be water proof |
| 03:51.23 | fellu | :o |
| 03:54.07 | daxt | as long as there is no current in it , metals are water proof for short period of time :D |
| 03:54.44 | sleepee | i don't know what it's called, but sometimes some products are shipped with little balls that look like they're made of gel or silicone... i think those are for moisture. |
| 03:55.22 | sleepee | if you happen to have a lot of those lying around maybe you could stick your phone in some of that |
| 03:57.58 | sleepee | why can i not update maemo ota? i keep getting this message: "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. Connect the device to your PC via a USB cable and launch the application." |
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| 03:59.45 | sleepee | this sucks. i deleted a whole bunch of stuff from the rootfs thinking it was because there wasn't enough space to do the update. apparently it's not because of that. :( |
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| 05:03.21 | Dhraakellian | had to spellcheck that |
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| 06:59.42 | Xithulus | anybody else having repository issues with my-maemo.com? |
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| 08:37.47 | Shapeshifter | Hey, haven't been around for a while. Does anyone know if tweakr is pretty much obsolete and replaced by ProfileX? |
| 08:37.57 | Shapeshifter | just because it's relevant to one of my packages |
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| 08:44.10 | johnx | Shapeshifter, I googled a bit and got the same impression |
| 08:45.10 | johnx | ah, then I found this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tweakr/ and this http://maemo.org/packages/view/profilesx/ |
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| 08:49.05 | noodles900 | my browser crashes often if there are more than 2 windows open - especially if it's showing scripty pages like gmail :( |
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| 08:52.57 | johnx | noodles900, it might be worth trying the the 'smartphone' version: http://mail.google.com/mail/x/gdlakb-/gp/ |
| 08:53.11 | johnx | (this is for gmail at least) |
| 08:55.11 | noodles900 | johnx: is that not just the "plain html" page? |
| 08:55.23 | johnx | nope. It's the "iphone and android" version |
| 08:55.49 | noodles900 | ok - let's see ;) |
| 08:56.09 | johnx | it has a bit of JS for things like collapsible conversations, but it doesn't have much |
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| 08:58.37 | noodles900 | waits for gprs..... |
| 08:59.31 | noodles900 | loaded in about 2 minutes :) |
| 09:00.07 | johnx | heh |
| 09:00.18 | johnx | Seemed insanely fast on my desktop |
| 09:00.21 | johnx | shrugs |
| 09:00.29 | noodles900 | johnx: thanks - I'll play with that for a while. Looks strange but we'll see |
| 09:01.11 | johnx | A lot of other sites have 'iphone' or 'android' versions that might be worth looking into |
| 09:01.40 | johnx | On the N900 they usually detect the N900's browser as firefox (since it's based on firefox) and they feed it the heavy desktop site |
| 09:01.54 | johnx | Also, it's worth seeing if turning off flash helps |
| 09:02.07 | johnx | Flash ads can be a killer on performance/battery life/responsiveness |
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| 09:04.07 | noodles900 | where's the "off" switch for flash? |
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| 09:06.35 | johnx | uhm, disable the plugin |
| 09:06.43 | johnx | I don't have my phone in front of me |
| 09:06.51 | johnx | I think you can get flashblock as well. |
| 09:07.19 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
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| 09:07.37 | RobbieThe1st | There;s a nice userscript in the repos that acts like Flashblock |
| 09:07.41 | noodles900 | yea looking for flashblock ... |
| 09:08.04 | noodles900 | RobbieThe1st: what's it called? |
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| 09:08.35 | RobbieThe1st | adflashblock-css |
| 09:09.30 | noodles900 | RobbieThe1st: tks :) |
| 09:10.06 | RobbieThe1st | np |
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| 09:16.21 | RST38h | well. moo. |
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| 09:47.33 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:08.15 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: meego talk on fosdem |
| 10:08.22 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: still nothing about maemo |
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| 10:18.25 | alterego | Why would there be anything about maemo? |
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| 10:21.28 | Venemo | good morning |
| 10:21.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | mo |
| 10:25.39 | lardman | is there any online stream of the talks? |
| 10:26.03 | Venemo | lardman: if you mean the channel log, then yes |
| 10:26.24 | Venemo | morning DocScrutinizer |
| 10:26.29 | lardman | no I meant the Fosdem talks |
| 10:27.03 | lardman | unless there's someone furiously typing away transcribing the proceedings :) |
| 10:27.05 | Venemo | oh, I dunno |
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| 10:31.01 | lardman | hmm I really could do with a double height task bar |
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| 10:34.13 | MohammadAG | Debian Squeeze is out |
| 10:35.38 | Venemo | morning MohammadAG :) |
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| 10:36.13 | MohammadAG | morning Venemo |
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| 10:38.41 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I'm now adding portrait support to puzzle-master :) |
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| 10:59.38 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: stskeeps is doing that talk about meego |
| 11:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: well, that's not any surprise, no? |
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| 11:16.07 | jacktheripper | if I touch the screen, lift my finger and quickly touch the screen somewhere else, the touch is still registered at the old position. Is this tweakable ? |
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| 11:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | CND |
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| 11:24.45 | jacktheripper | by quickly I mean really really quickly. |
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| 11:29.14 | Venemo | jacktheripper: worksforme |
| 11:30.12 | jacktheripper | oh I think it's so fast it doesn't notice the lift. It averages, but on preenv games for example it uses only the first touch position. nevermind :) |
| 11:32.21 | Venemo | alterego: ping |
| 11:32.30 | Venemo | jacktheripper: maybe you have a faulty n900 |
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| 11:33.19 | jacktheripper | Venemo, no no, it's the application supporting capacitive touch only I think. as I said, only happens on preenv. |
| 11:33.56 | Venemo | jacktheripper: mhmm |
| 11:33.58 | jacktheripper | or the game just doesn't sense movement. (doesn't need to) |
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| 11:39.35 | Smhar | greeting |
| 11:41.25 | Smhar | is there a web page explaining how/what to free in rootfs? |
| 11:42.33 | Venemo | Smhar: yes, in the wiki |
| 11:44.04 | Smhar | I only have 37mb free and I want to upgrade to PR1.3 |
| 11:45.58 | Smhar | btw. is there a way to make N900 activate bluetooth when a call is made or answered and disconnect blue toth when a call is ended, thus saving battery life |
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| 11:48.28 | Salman | sorry, got disconnected |
| 11:48.33 | Salman | btw. is there a way to make N900 activate bluetooth when a call is made or answered and disconnect blue toth when a call is ended, thus saving battery life |
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| 11:55.32 | Venemo | Salman: if you want to save battery life, then don't enable bluetooth at all |
| 11:56.25 | SpeedEvil | Also - most bluetooth devices will go to sleep once disconnected for a few mins |
| 11:56.36 | SpeedEvil | Requiring you to press a button to re-pair |
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| 12:07.29 | alterego | Venemo: pong |
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| 12:12.57 | Venemo | alterego: I'm making progress |
| 12:13.07 | alterego | Cool |
| 12:13.15 | Venemo | alterego: all thanks to your help yesterday :) |
| 12:13.20 | alterego | :) |
| 12:13.50 | alterego | In regards to your performance issues, it's more about spreading the load across gpu/cpu |
| 12:13.57 | alterego | Also, are you running fullscreen? |
| 12:14.13 | Venemo | alterego: not yet, but I will be soon |
| 12:14.27 | alterego | Well, gl works like crap when not fullscreen |
| 12:14.35 | alterego | (on the N900) |
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| 12:16.09 | Venemo | alterego: it works very well now that I eliminated the overhead |
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| 12:16.19 | alterego | cool, bbiab |
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| 12:26.21 | Venemo | alterego: I would need some help with something though |
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| 12:29.10 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Didn't you do something like http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-February/028093.html which rotated any app? |
| 12:30.26 | Venemo | Jaffa: are you referring to 'rotatedaemon' in -devel? |
| 12:30.32 | trx | thats not a problem, setting a rotation flag |
| 12:30.40 | trx | problem is the app layout |
| 12:30.43 | trx | afaik.. |
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| 12:31.12 | Venemo | trx: yeah. |
| 12:32.29 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, nope |
| 12:32.51 | Jaffa | Venemo: Yeah, guess so |
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| 12:39.35 | alterego | Venemo: what's that then? |
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| 12:41.16 | Venemo | alterego: I'd like to find an algorythm to place the pieces to a reasonable place when the app is resized [eg. via autorotation] |
| 12:41.17 | MohammadAG | Venemo, rotatedaemon works with xrandr directly I think |
| 12:41.22 | MohammadAG | cc Jaffa ^ |
| 12:41.34 | Venemo | MohammadAG: correct |
| 12:41.43 | MohammadAG | w00t_ daemonized it iirc |
| 12:42.27 | alterego | Venemo: well, you want them in random positions and not overlapping too much right? |
| 12:42.27 | MohammadAG | I need some help with a shell script |
| 12:42.33 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/5QxnkfwF |
| 12:42.56 | alterego | Also, when rotating you probably want to sub divide them again to make the rows shorter for portrait |
| 12:43.20 | alterego | Like 6x4 for landscape and 4x6 for portrait, or something. |
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| 12:47.23 | alterego | Venemo: get my last two messages? |
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| 12:50.05 | MohammadAG | [: 17: =: unexpected operator <-- what does this mean? |
| 12:52.05 | alterego | MohammadAG: $answer = "y" |
| 12:52.54 | alterego | You should probably quote $answer too |
| 12:52.54 | MohammadAG | alterego, already fixed that, sec |
| 12:53.34 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/VtvhkvFH alterego |
| 12:53.58 | MohammadAG | Y/y/N/n work fine |
| 12:54.14 | MohammadAG | but I expect it to default to Y if the user presses enter |
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| 12:54.21 | MohammadAG | (similar to apt-get) |
| 12:54.29 | MohammadAG | and it does that, but shows 4 errors |
| 12:54.52 | MohammadAG | [: 17: =: unexpected operator *4 |
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| 12:59.05 | Venemo | hey again |
| 12:59.12 | Venemo | it disconnected again... :( |
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| 13:00.05 | Venemo | alterego: actually I scale the graphics view very well when rotated |
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| 13:00.47 | Venemo | alterego: the 'only glitch' is that I want the pieces to appear at better places |
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| 13:01.23 | Venemo | alterego: I'm also getting a resize event at the beginning of the app in which the size of the graphics view is 100×30... |
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| 13:18.03 | alterego | Venemo: yeah, that happens. Part of Qt unfortunately. You should be able to setFixedSize maybe .. |
| 13:18.33 | Venemo | alterego: nah, I just don't do anything for the first resize event |
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| 13:19.25 | Venemo | alterego: I'm thinking of linking to your libRXsupport for the fullscreen button |
| 13:19.43 | alterego | :) |
| 13:20.09 | alterego | Well, you only really need the header file .. |
| 13:20.14 | alterego | But it's up to you |
| 13:20.14 | Venemo | alterego: is it transparent? |
| 13:20.19 | alterego | Yeah |
| 13:20.57 | Venemo | alterego: I'm thinking about where should I put the button on my UI |
| 13:21.05 | MohammadAG | can someone confirm that dsme-thermalobject-surface is installed by default? |
| 13:21.12 | MohammadAG | i.e just check if it's installed on your device |
| 13:21.35 | Venemo | MohammadAG: yes |
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| 13:22.15 | alterego | Venemo: Well, top right is quite consistent I think |
| 13:22.48 | Venemo | alterego: top right? I haven't seen it there in any apps yet |
| 13:24.30 | Venemo | alterego: it's bottom right in the browser |
| 13:24.36 | alterego | Oh yeah |
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| 13:24.48 | alterego | Well, it's bottom right in Columbus |
| 13:25.04 | Venemo | alterego: problem with bottom right is that the user might click on it accidentally when he wants to grap a puzzle piece |
| 13:25.13 | alterego | Yeah |
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| 13:34.41 | Venemo | alterego: is showFullscreen() enough or I should set something else too? |
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| 13:41.25 | MohammadAG | it's enough for FS |
| 13:41.39 | Venemo | ok, thanks |
| 13:43.00 | Venemo | hmm |
| 13:43.00 | Venemo | is this a bug? |
| 13:43.07 | Venemo | a Hildon banner rotates my app back to landscape |
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| 13:46.11 | Venemo | this is only true for banners that are system modal |
| 13:47.08 | MohammadAG | Venemo, if it's parented that shouldn't happen |
| 13:47.24 | dan2003 | Hi, im making a qt based homescreen widget, I want to open a dialog if the widget is pressed, i assume the normal connect signal->slot mechanism should be used, but i dont know which to use, the qtcreator IDE sugests only a few of which none seem relevant / or work. What should i use? |
| 13:48.06 | Venemo | dan2003: if you want something when a button on the widget is pressed, the use clicked() |
| 13:48.27 | Venemo | dan2003: if you want the entire widget to react to clicks, read up on mousePressEvent() and mouseReleaseEvent() |
| 13:50.08 | dan2003 | Venemo: ah, ok, thanks :) the latter sounds like what i want |
| 13:50.12 | Venemo | MohammadAG: it doesn't happen when it's parented |
| 13:52.31 | dan2003 | Venemo: yaay! thx that works :) |
| 13:52.44 | Venemo | dan2003: :) |
| 13:53.42 | dan2003 | hmm.. but with an issue, (which i can work around) it present a dialog, but when i press a button in it it acts as if i have pressed the widget which is underneath (another home screen widget) |
| 13:54.05 | dan2003 | ill move that dialog out of the way for now |
| 13:54.48 | Venemo | dan2003: well you have to take care of such cases for yourself |
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| 13:54.56 | Venemo | dan2003: what widget will that be, btw? |
| 13:55.27 | dan2003 | i just treid and this happens for both the contact widget, (present the call dialog) and the facebook widget (opens browser) |
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| 13:55.54 | dan2003 | if either are under the area where my dialog comes up, they seem to have mouse focus instead. |
| 13:56.29 | Venemo | dan2003: interesting |
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| 14:16.19 | javispedro | oh god, Android does truly suck. |
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| 14:16.39 | javispedro | 's downloaded the SDK ... |
| 14:17.35 | Venemo | javispedro: yeah... I agree |
| 14:18.04 | Venemo | javispedro: we learned a bit about android dev (I had a course called mobile Linux applications), and it sucked. |
| 14:18.21 | javispedro | I couldn't believe a day would come where I would _crave_ for busybox. |
| 14:18.31 | javispedro | yes, the android builtin shell is that bad. |
| 14:18.47 | javispedro | and the libc? |
| 14:18.56 | javispedro | the best way to describe it: it's like a deconstruction of unix. |
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| 14:20.00 | MohammadAG | javispedro, hah |
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| 14:20.09 | MohammadAG | I like how most commands fail in the android shell |
| 14:20.23 | MohammadAG | either Permission Denied or no output at all |
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| 14:21.50 | javispedro | you want to use sysv or posix ipc? sorry! we instead offer you our crappy "Android SHM" with no support for semaphores, mutexes, or anything. We're only single core! For performance! |
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| 14:27.03 | javispedro | rants some more, quietly. |
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| 14:28.27 | javispedro | symbian is more posixy than this... |
| 14:29.12 | javispedro | which is quite, quite sad. |
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| 14:33.52 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 14:34.06 | ShadowJK | I found no hints of posix in symbian :) |
| 14:34.09 | korhojoa | hahaha |
| 14:34.43 | MohammadAG | I found DBus on Symbian^3 |
| 14:34.55 | korhojoa | there's DBus on it? |
| 14:35.01 | javispedro | there's even glibc |
| 14:35.07 | korhojoa | oh wow |
| 14:35.23 | javispedro | (see the open C stuff) |
| 14:35.37 | javispedro | so, symbian implements sysvipc. bionic does not. |
| 14:36.04 | pupnik | ebay germany lists the N900 as having AMOLED screen |
| 14:36.08 | Arkenoi | Is console io still broken? |
| 14:36.12 | korhojoa | _o| \o| \o/ |o/ |o_ |
| 14:36.19 | Arkenoi | on S^3? |
| 14:36.20 | korhojoa | pupnik: ebay? probably a seller? |
| 14:36.21 | javispedro | I did not check, but I'm sure they even fully implement pthreads, bionic does not. |
| 14:36.24 | javispedro | etc. |
| 14:36.29 | pupnik | korhojoa: no, ebay. not the seller. ebay |
| 14:36.32 | javispedro | pupnik: haha. |
| 14:36.35 | korhojoa | whaa :D |
| 14:36.44 | pupnik | idiots |
| 14:37.53 | ShadowJK | I haven't seen symbian^3 :) |
| 14:37.54 | pupnik | or rather, a job filled by the wrong person |
| 14:38.07 | ShadowJK | My E75 has s60v3fp2 oe something |
| 14:38.16 | ShadowJK | or* |
| 14:38.40 | korhojoa | ShadowJK: i think it's got fp3 |
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| 14:38.51 | MohammadAG | there's no FP3 for V3 |
| 14:39.06 | korhojoa | really? :< |
| 14:39.11 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 14:39.12 | korhojoa | saddened, I am. |
| 14:39.19 | MohammadAG | FP2 is the last one |
| 14:39.24 | korhojoa | but there is one for v1 |
| 14:39.31 | MohammadAG | or 2 |
| 14:40.09 | MohammadAG | Unannounced Nokia X7-00 and C5-04 Found on Ovi Store <- lol fail |
| 14:40.24 | javispedro | clearly, those are atom phones! |
| 14:40.36 | ShadowJK | wonders about C6-01, does it exist yet |
| 14:40.42 | korhojoa | MohammadAG: :D |
| 14:40.48 | MohammadAG | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/02/06/unannounced-nokia-x7-00-and-unknown-nokia-x5-04-leaked-on-ovi-store/ |
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| 15:08.20 | achipa | ShadowJK: depends on your country I guess |
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| 15:10.19 | achipa | and let's not forget that deep down, every phone has an atom or two (or a billion...) in it :) |
| 15:11.46 | MohammadAG | need to learn GTK or find a way to start Qt apps faster :/ |
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| 15:12.09 | achipa | boost 'em |
| 15:12.24 | javispedro | something that harmattan will probably already have |
| 15:12.37 | javispedro | achipa: is the qt booster already one? |
| 15:12.39 | javispedro | *open |
| 15:12.50 | Venemo | alterego: are you still here? |
| 15:13.15 | MohammadAG | javispedro, well, I want to rewrite control panel applets that don't behave |
| 15:13.56 | javispedro | hum, that is a no go, as the control panel itself acts as a gtk+ booster.. |
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| 15:14.17 | pupnik | digital-8 camcorders still fetch insane prices |
| 15:14.23 | MohammadAG | that's why I want to learn gtk |
| 15:14.30 | MohammadAG | Qt applets work fine, they just hang the UI for 2s or so |
| 15:14.36 | MohammadAG | while gtk applets are instant |
| 15:15.24 | MohammadAG | shouldn't be too hard, I think |
| 15:15.44 | javispedro | unfortunately bare gtk+ will mostly slow you down.. |
| 15:15.58 | javispedro | (I mean, as a coder :) ) |
| 15:16.00 | achipa | javispedro: uhm, I think I saw some of that stuff in MTF, not sure how easily transplantable would that be to plain qt |
| 15:16.40 | achipa | javispedro: and of course something by the name of another well esatblished library is not helping searches... |
| 15:16.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, what do you mean by "bare gtk+"? |
| 15:16.57 | javispedro | MohammadAG: "not vala" =) |
| 15:17.10 | MohammadAG | why would it slow me down? |
| 15:17.17 | MohammadAG | GObject? |
| 15:17.29 | javispedro | exactly. |
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| 15:17.51 | alterego | Venemo: yeah, what's up? |
| 15:18.09 | javispedro | achipa: oh. fremantle had a skeleton qt booster module, but it does nothing (apart from NOT preloading gtk+ libs, which is already nice =) ). |
| 15:18.19 | MohammadAG | vala, I recall qwerty12 mentioned that in one of his sources |
| 15:19.33 | Venemo | alterego: I managed to do most of what I wanted but I still have a glitch :( |
| 15:20.07 | javispedro | Mo |
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| 15:20.47 | javispedro | recently develop the theory that Gtk+ applications usually have less featured (aka "simpler") GUIs because it is more time consuming to create and implement a Gtk+ GUI =) |
| 15:21.02 | javispedro | which I'm not sure is a bad or good thing :) |
| 15:21.45 | Venemo | alterego: accept my invitation to ##puzzle-master |
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| 15:22.30 | MohammadAG | javispedro, lol |
| 15:22.58 | Venemo | javispedro: you can use gtkmm if you want something simpler |
| 15:23.01 | MohammadAG | javispedro, the notification light applet is an example |
| 15:23.03 | javispedro | or vala |
| 15:23.09 | Venemo | yeah, or vala |
| 15:23.13 | MohammadAG | it's just 6 checkboxes and a save button |
| 15:23.44 | MohammadAG | which I'm guessing is 6 HildonCheckButtons and a HildonPannableArea |
| 15:24.14 | MohammadAG | the save button's probably a GtkButton right? |
| 15:24.18 | MohammadAG | and the dialog is a GtkDialog |
| 15:24.28 | javispedro | the button is probably managed by the GtkDialog itself |
| 15:24.32 | Venemo | MohammadAG: probably HildonButton and HildonDialog, not sure about the latter. |
| 15:24.42 | javispedro | there's a GtkDialog construct that accepts a set of stock button and their actions |
| 15:24.44 | javispedro | *constructor |
| 15:24.48 | Venemo | MohammadAG: but javispedro is right, it may be handled by the dialog itself |
| 15:24.55 | javispedro | HildonDialog is deprecated in fremantle, use gtkdialog |
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| 15:29.49 | jacekowski | use qt |
| 15:30.19 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, too slow for control panel applets |
| 15:30.33 | MohammadAG | stock applets open instantly |
| 15:31.43 | javispedro | because the host app is a gtk+ one, so it just calls the applet's show function. While with a QT applet it has to link with all the Qt libs, then do static, dynamic initialization, etc. |
| 15:33.02 | alterego | How do I do that? |
| 15:33.12 | achipa | javispedro: that's not theory, that's fact |
| 15:33.15 | jacekowski | javispedro: afaik applets are preloaded |
| 15:33.25 | achipa | javispedro: and with qml it will become even more apparent |
| 15:33.25 | javispedro | achipa: hehe :) |
| 15:33.32 | jacekowski | javispedro: so you could just make everything ready on load |
| 15:33.46 | jacekowski | and then just wait for show |
| 15:36.54 | achipa | javispedro: and I would go even further - if QML gains general traction, it can easily be the thing that turns the tide in the now prevalent 'open source apps are sucky (because they look sucky)' view |
| 15:37.07 | achipa | it 'just' needs to survive long enough to mature :) |
| 15:37.46 | javispedro | note the other part of my theory -- that gnome is actually simpler because of gtk+ is hard. |
| 15:38.10 | javispedro | I also fear that if doing monstruous, giant UIs suddently becomes easier, we'll have KDE. |
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| 15:39.34 | javispedro | (and I actually can see this KDEification even in MaemoQT(HildonQt ;) ) apps, but I guess that's because I'm being overly paranoid) |
| 15:39.52 | achipa | javispedro: was talking mainly in the context of single apps |
| 15:40.32 | Venemo | achipa: I asked many people, but noone seemed to know the correct answer |
| 15:40.37 | Venemo | achipa: is QML compiled or interpreted? |
| 15:40.46 | achipa | Venemo: neither |
| 15:40.52 | achipa | or both :) |
| 15:40.55 | Venemo | achipa: elaborate please |
| 15:42.20 | achipa | how familiar are you with .ui files ? |
| 15:42.27 | achipa | maybe it's easier to explain that way |
| 15:42.40 | Venemo | achipa: sufficently I think. moc generates .h files from them so they are compiled. |
| 15:42.57 | achipa | right. but not necessarily :) |
| 15:43.10 | Venemo | achipa: ? |
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| 15:43.30 | achipa | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qformbuilder.html |
| 15:44.00 | Venemo | achipa: so it's possible to use them in an interpreted way too |
| 15:44.25 | achipa | the bottom line is - there is no 'interpreter' in the sense of something running and continuously evaluating expressions (except for embedded JS, but let's talk about that separately) |
| 15:44.49 | achipa | it is basically a parser that constructs regular C++ objects |
| 15:45.09 | Venemo | achipa: well this QFormBuilder seems like an interpreter to me. it interprets a .ui in runtime and constructs objects according to it, doesn't it? |
| 15:45.10 | achipa | you could equally have a QML to .CPP compiler just as you have for .ui |
| 15:46.32 | Venemo | achipa: XAML works this way: it's added to the executables as an embedded resource and then it's interpreted in runtime. this makes it that slow |
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| 15:47.02 | Venemo | achipa: this is why I'm hoping that QML doesn't do such hocus-pocus and it's compiled to native code |
| 15:48.33 | achipa | the only way QML affects speed is the initial startup, after the objects are constructed, it doesn't add or detract (again, JS caveat) |
| 15:48.51 | Venemo | achipa: ookay |
| 15:48.57 | Venemo | achipa: so it is just as insane as XAML :( |
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| 15:49.26 | achipa | Venemo: and, I would expect soon enough someone will make a qml->cpp compiler if it becomes such a big problem |
| 15:49.52 | Venemo | achipa: sadly I don't think anyone will care |
| 15:52.49 | achipa | Venemo: I have not used xaml, but IIUC it's in a somewhat worse position, as it goes through the .net stuff, plus XML parsing is heavier than what QML does |
| 15:53.03 | achipa | but otherwise, yes ,the approach does look similar |
| 15:54.02 | Venemo | achipa: XAML is translated to BAML so no XML parsing is involved. |
| 15:54.16 | villager | javispedro: no, gnome is not simpler because gtk+ is hard, gnome is simpler because of ideology - early gnomes actually had more complex UIs, but the Powers That Be worked to eradicate that |
| 15:54.41 | Venemo | villager: I use Gnome exactly because of its simplicity |
| 15:54.54 | villager | yes, I use gnome too |
| 15:55.03 | javispedro | and I used Gnome there as an example only, was the second thing that came to mind. |
| 15:55.12 | RST38h | EHLO javispedro |
| 15:55.20 | Venemo | villager: KDE is maybe a bit more eye-candy (with Compiz it's equally as good) |
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| 15:55.51 | Venemo | villager: however in KDE it's much harder to find any options that I'm looking for. in Gnome, it's just System/Preferences |
| 15:55.54 | javispedro | hey RST38h |
| 15:55.57 | achipa | Venemo: but BAML is just an intermediary format, isn't it ? i.e. it's just a more machine friendly representation of the structure |
| 15:56.01 | villager | Venemo: I like gnome, I did not say that this ideology is bad, I just tried to present it in a neutral way |
| 15:56.57 | Venemo | okay villager :) |
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| 15:57.05 | villager | Venemo: not everyone likes that ideology (kde users for example), though, and I certainly would have liked more options in certain apps... |
| 15:57.21 | villager | Venemo: but overall I think it's a good idea if you're going for user-friendliness |
| 15:58.19 | Venemo | achipa: correct |
| 15:58.19 | Venemo | villager: yeah, I agree |
| 15:58.21 | Venemo | villager: some more options would be of course welcome, but I like the overall minimalism of their UI |
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| 16:02.56 | achipa | has a flamboyant comment about comparing mac and gnome, but will refrain from it in the name of desktop peace |
| 16:05.34 | GuySoft | hey all, if i want to write a GUI (twitter client) that will work both on N810 and N900, any toolkit you might recommend? |
| 16:05.48 | MohammadAG | Qt 4.5 |
| 16:06.17 | MohammadAG | YATC - Yet Another Twitter Client? x{ |
| 16:06.20 | MohammadAG | xP* |
| 16:06.35 | GuySoft | MohammadAG, it will be the ONLY client for N810 |
| 16:06.53 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 16:06.56 | javispedro | Note that Qt on the N8x0 is in a worse shape. |
| 16:07.13 | GuySoft | so anything else perhaps? |
| 16:08.04 | RST38h | javispedro: how is reality tonight? |
| 16:08.09 | RST38h | solid enough? |
| 16:08.33 | javispedro | no, it's more like gruyère |
| 16:09.00 | RST38h | has not idea what gruyère is but suspects it is cheese. |
| 16:09.21 | javispedro | it is =) |
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| 16:10.11 | javispedro | have some work to do now, but been trying the Android SDK |
| 16:10.19 | javispedro | a horrible, horrible experience so far... |
| 16:11.03 | javispedro | had to download nearly 2GiB of git repos to build the ext3 module for the emulator kernel... |
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| 16:12.04 | RST38h | javispedro: Ah haha |
| 16:12.32 | RST38h | javispedro: I *looked* at the Android stuff but have notinstalled it yet: too much other work that has to be done on a tight schedule |
| 16:15.12 | javispedro | big time sink... |
| 16:15.33 | javispedro | Also, I wonder who had the idea to ship the emulator configured with less than 90MiB of RAM. |
| 16:15.53 | javispedro | running busybox meant the system started OoM killing the UI... |
| 16:16.30 | javispedro | (busybox as a static binary.... otherwise you don't even get a sane mount command) |
| 16:17.44 | MohammadAG | who's on PR1.0? :P |
| 16:19.28 | MohammadAG | naw crap |
| 16:19.38 | MohammadAG | 3h to download one image for a 100kb file... |
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| 16:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | >>> |
| 16:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | Hello, hei joerg_rw! |
| 16:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | Make a resolution to simplify your life this year with the sleek new Nokia Ovi Suite. Browse Ovi's massive music library to put together the perfect playlist, download free street maps to your phone, get recommendations for the best mobile apps, share photos and videos with family and friends, and much more. |
| 16:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | <<< |
| 16:25.39 | RST38h | javispedro: Sounds almost like these guys did not know what Linux was =) |
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| 16:26.03 | RST38h | Doc: Guess at which point of this message I threw up. |
| 16:26.04 | javispedro | RST38h: see a few hours ago for my rantins about their pure crap c library. |
| 16:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 16:26.23 | javispedro | I keep it that it resembles more a deconstruction of unix than anything else. |
| 16:26.31 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what file? |
| 16:26.43 | RST38h | javispedro: For unknown reasons, too |
| 16:26.55 | RST38h | javispedro: Why the hell would they need to rewrite libc??? |
| 16:27.02 | MohammadAG | Venemo, lock screen |
| 16:27.08 | MohammadAG | the PR1.0 had transitions |
| 16:27.11 | MohammadAG | PR1.0 one |
| 16:27.14 | Venemo | MohammadAG: hmm :) |
| 16:27.22 | javispedro | oh well they try to go to great lengths to explain their decisions, but usually, it comes down to both points: they thought multicore phones where far away, AND, they didn't know how to use ulimit. |
| 16:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: with the very first 'i'? |
| 16:28.13 | MohammadAG | I'd say at Ovi |
| 16:28.16 | javispedro | s/both/two |
| 16:28.28 | RST38h | Mohammad <-- correct |
| 16:28.35 | javispedro | lol |
| 16:29.04 | javispedro | usually stops reading at "your life". |
| 16:29.19 | RST38h | javispedro: and not knowing how to use ulimit made them rewrite libc??? Hmmm |
| 16:29.45 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: where does that come from? |
| 16:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | Von: |
| 16:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia <marketing@comms.ovi.com> |
| 16:30.02 | javispedro | RST38h: well to be fair they would have to introduce new limits, like sysv ipc keys, that they seem to think as the evil reincarnated. |
| 16:30.11 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yay, what do I win? |
| 16:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict hei |
| 16:32.10 | RST38h | Mohammad: an Ovi Suite install package! |
| 16:32.50 | MohammadAG | pukes |
| 16:32.51 | javispedro | RST38h: though I also fear the real reason is the usual one: Bionic is BSD. They used BSD code for the trivial libm/math.h functions, etc. |
| 16:33.16 | javispedro | and avoided anything they would probably need to pull code from a GPL lib. |
| 16:33.31 | javispedro | then made the appropiate excuses and shipped it. |
| 16:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | andridiot? meh! |
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| 16:37.14 | RST38h | javispedro: they are already using Linux kernel. What difference will using gnu libc make? |
| 16:37.31 | RST38h | javispedro: furthermore, if they absolutely hate gnu libc, why not use BSD libc, as a whole? |
| 16:37.42 | RST38h | either will be fine, I guess |
| 16:38.26 | javispedro | prolly the bsd libc would need some work under Linux, as for the other question, ask them.. |
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| 16:54.40 | RST38h | javispedro: On the other hand, after suffering Symbian libc, nothing can make me flinch. |
| 16:55.41 | javispedro | at least it implements sysv ipc ;) in fact seems to be enough to run gnome's glib. |
| 16:56.21 | RST38h | wow |
| 16:56.58 | MohammadAG | how do I change branches after cloning? |
| 16:57.05 | MohammadAG | shouldn't it be git checkout branchname? |
| 16:57.31 | RST38h | there should be a special command to change the pbranch in the existing tree |
| 16:57.37 | javispedro | RST38h: I was getting scared that the symbian libc actually seemed more posix to me than bionic. Symbian at least is trying... |
| 16:58.04 | RST38h | javispedro; Not on their own accord though. They had to implement libc when porting MIDP to Symbian :) |
| 16:58.22 | javispedro | MohammadAG: (git checkout) yep, should, unless it is remote. |
| 16:59.13 | javispedro | RST38h: that one (OpenC) is the one I'm talking, seems complete. But didn't had the "pleasure" to use it. |
| 16:59.32 | Venemo | MohammadAG: correct |
| 16:59.45 | Venemo | MohammadAG: if it's remote, then you'll need git fetch too |
| 17:00.09 | RST38h | javispedro: Oh, I had to use the one that came before |
| 17:00.22 | Venemo | javispedro: I haven't seen any updates for OpenTTD. what's up with it? :) |
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| 17:00.52 | RST38h | javispedro: estlib.lib |
| 17:01.43 | javispedro | Venemo: less free time than last year. Also, still waiting for someone/upstream to reflow the dialogs.. |
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| 17:02.00 | RST38h | RS232-to-USB driver crashed, completely fucking up Win7 USB subsystem. |
| 17:02.04 | RST38h | Rebooting. =( |
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| 17:02.51 | Venemo | javispedro :( |
| 17:03.42 | pupnik | people still trying to sell nokia e61s for 119 euro >_< |
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| 17:07.25 | MohammadAG | Venemo, so how do I switch to a remote one? |
| 17:09.41 | RST38h | pupnik: given that some people are trying to sell virginity, on eBay, I do not find E61 offers amusing |
| 17:10.50 | javispedro | Venemo: just bumping version should be easy enough, however there are many other things I had on the queue (music, dialogs, upstream kinetic scrolling..) |
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| 17:12.11 | RST38h | javispedro: bionic has at least one virtue, that I can see |
| 17:12.17 | RST38h | javispedro; *No STL* |
| 17:12.29 | javispedro | heh |
| 17:13.00 | javispedro | actually kinda likes STL, at least the basic parts of it.. |
| 17:13.22 | javispedro | basically containers and char strings... the rest... |
| 17:14.59 | RST38h | You can throw together a string class in a matter of hour |
| 17:15.15 | RST38h | And reuse it later in all your projects |
| 17:15.30 | RST38h | Containers will take a bit longer but at least you will know for sure how they work :) |
| 17:15.42 | javispedro | i used to do that, but string is fine enough |
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| 17:18.37 | MohammadAG | javispedro, git fetch branchname should get me the branch? |
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| 17:19.28 | javispedro | I usually use git branch -r |
| 17:19.37 | javispedro | er.. |
| 17:20.34 | javispedro | git checkout --track -b <local> <remote> should work |
| 17:20.49 | javispedro | for ex. if git branch -r shows origin/my-branch-1 |
| 17:20.59 | javispedro | git checkout --track -b my-branch-1 origin/my-branch-1 |
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| 17:41.18 | stevomanu | Basically any 3G phone will support "tethering". |
| 17:41.47 | stevomanu | http://dicksmith.com.au/product/E6911/virgin-vmx-pre-paid-mobile-phone#BVRRWidgetID |
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| 18:01.22 | sean_w | Hi. What is the best way to sync contacts and use my Google Voice caller ID? |
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| 18:08.45 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.49 | toresbe | Whoopsiedo. |
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| 18:20.11 | trumee | Is it possible to automatically run openvpn when i connect to a specific ssid? |
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| 18:25.23 | trumee | guess poking /etc/network/if-up.d would do the trick |
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| 18:25.44 | nox- | moin |
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| 18:27.47 | Venemo | hey |
| 18:28.09 | MohammadAG | what's a space in regexes? |
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| 18:37.49 | kerio | MohammadAG: is that the start of a pun? |
| 18:38.01 | Proteous | heh |
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| 18:38.15 | Proteous | a regex and a perl script walk into a bar |
| 18:38.40 | kerio | doesn't get it |
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| 18:51.23 | trumee | is there any way to get the ssid of the wlan connection? |
| 18:52.30 | jacekowski | iwconfig |
| 18:52.34 | trumee | i want to invoke openvpn/change sip connections Before a certain wlan gets connected. I was thinking of putting some script in if-up.pre.d |
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| 18:53.05 | ShadowJK | are if-up if-down scripts executed at all on maemo? |
| 18:53.52 | trumee | ShadowJK, are they not? |
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| 18:54.19 | ShadowJK | I'd assume a pessimistic outlook before proven wrong :-) |
| 18:54.32 | trumee | that will be a bummer. |
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| 18:59.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: your puzzle-master killed my phone :-P |
| 18:59.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | 11 year old tester thought he'd like to have a 33 * 33 puzzle XD |
| 19:00.41 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: yay! :P |
| 19:00.44 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: don't worry, 15×15 is the max in my current builds |
| 19:00.59 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: although I wouldn't try that size on the N900 either |
| 19:01.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | though it's probably mainly fremantle's swap and OOM to blame, you still should ulimit your app |
| 19:01.45 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: well I may set different limits according to platforms |
| 19:02.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | took 30min of patience to recover, via 'doesn't react. Kill?' |
| 19:02.23 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: but imagine that 33×33 involves the creation of 1089 pixmaps. |
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| 19:02.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm aware of that |
| 19:02.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: :) |
| 19:03.11 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: also, it's virtually unplayable in that size in such a small screen :P |
| 19:04.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | another suggestion: aliases for the resolutions, and also for the pictures |
| 19:05.02 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: aliases? |
| 19:05.57 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: what do you mean by aliases? |
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| 19:11.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, roaming |
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| 19:11.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | a better name than /home/user/foo/bar/acme.jpg |
| 19:11.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | plus preset sets like 'name=my_simpleJR; x=6; y=5; accel=false' |
| 19:13.45 | Venemo | mhmm |
| 19:13.45 | Venemo | that's a good idea |
| 19:13.47 | Venemo | and how would you give any name to /home/user/foo/bar/acme.jpg? should it be user-settable or what? |
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| 19:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | ideally yes |
| 19:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | with defaulting to basename |
| 19:21.20 | Venemo | hm DocScrutinizer, okay |
| 19:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | for the profiles - you might want to store these with the pictures |
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| 19:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | s/profiles/preset sets(. |
| 19:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | so one picture is a 4*4, while the other is 6*8 |
| 19:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | editing the x*y in settings would just change that one picture then |
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| 19:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | but that's not seamless with current UI paradigma, so it might need further thinking to file off rough edges |
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| 19:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | tge accel has been considered funny useless cheating |
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| 19:26.29 | javispedro | is stocking popcorn for mwc |
| 19:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | and it doesn't notice when all tiles fell in place, you need to touch screen and slightly move one tile so the game is solved |
| 19:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | (has been considered - by my tester :-D ) |
| 19:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | (that's why he thought he wants to cheat with 33 * 33) |
| 19:29.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: this is by design |
| 19:30.12 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: you have to assemble the pieces by yourself, the game won't solve itself with the accel :P |
| 19:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | but that 11 yo boy preferred puzzle master over his 5222(?) music xpress marble rollercoaster game, so it's actually of a certain attractiveness |
| 19:31.16 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 19:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: (by design) my tester didn't understand that |
| 19:32.06 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: tell your tester, "you have to solve your puzzle, it won't solve itself" |
| 19:32.18 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I'll give you a newer build soon, it has some more eyecandy |
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| 19:32.40 | DocScrutinizer | I did, still it took him 30s and then some tries to solve the ceated one |
| 19:33.00 | DocScrutinizer | cheated |
| 19:33.12 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: hm |
| 19:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's a rather useless option |
| 19:33.42 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: you mean, what is a rather useless option? |
| 19:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | accel |
| 19:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | cheating |
| 19:34.12 | Venemo | well it isn't supposed to be cheating. |
| 19:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | it is though. A blind person could solve arbitrary puzzles |
| 19:35.11 | Venemo | accel moves the pieces with supposedly random speed, I don't really know why it cheats |
| 19:35.56 | Venemo | although I noticed it myself |
| 19:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | flip the device left/right and up/down 6 times, and the puzle is solved, you just need to touch screen |
| 19:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's like filling a pill tablet |
| 19:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | (if you wonder: those boards with 100 holes. you move power ower them until all holes are filled, then press 100 pills with a 2nd board with matching bolts |
| 19:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | ) |
| 19:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | over* |
| 19:38.09 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: yes, I noticed, but I don't know the reason. |
| 19:38.18 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I want it to be random. |
| 19:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | then that's a bug |
| 19:38.54 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, don't make it default |
| 19:39.02 | Venemo | okay |
| 19:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | and make your app call ulimit to avoid swap-killing whole system, no matter what |
| 19:40.37 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what is ulimit? |
| 19:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | umm, a shell comand which I have nfc what's the c equivalent for |
| 19:44.45 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: and what does it do? |
| 19:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | just learned it's not a system function obviously, at least for memusage etc |
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| 19:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | for shell it limits the usage of memory, the count of file handles, filesize, etc, of childs |
| 19:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | bash: help ulimit |
| 19:46.30 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well the limitation of puzzle sizes should fix this |
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| 19:49.32 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: also now there's auto rotation in the newest build |
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| 19:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: umm, seems I missed to update to newest puzzlemaster prior to "testing" it? |
| 19:55.05 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: no, the newest build is not packaged |
| 19:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | there's no version info in "about" :-/ |
| 19:56.24 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: will put it in there |
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| 19:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | so, gimme some ahdjkpffz to click on, to update! |
| 19:58.03 | Venemo | ookay, just wait a moment :P |
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| 20:05.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: do you prefer a binary package or building from source yourself? |
| 20:20.22 | piggz | whats new in the hildon-desktop update i just got? |
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| 20:21.20 | Venemo | piggz: probably the community SSU? |
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| 20:21.46 | piggz | Venemo: i know that, just wondered what the change was :) |
| 20:22.34 | Venemo | piggz: I dunno, ask on #maemo-ssu |
| 20:23.00 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: so? |
| 20:23.02 | MohammadAG | see debian/changelog or gitorious |
| 20:23.09 | MohammadAG | ~seen merlin1991 |
| 20:23.16 | infobot | merlin1991 <~merlin@mail.goerlitz.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 1h 39m 25s ago, saying: 'time I finally read that opengles book I own :)'. |
| 20:23.32 | piggz | MohammadAG: ok |
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| 20:27.20 | piggz | ooo, desaturation....lets try it out |
| 20:28.25 | BCMM | desaturation? |
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| 20:29.49 | Venemo | BCMM: instead of blurring |
| 20:30.02 | BCMM | i, was wondering if it was for that |
| 20:30.16 | BCMM | (as the modal-parent effect, right?) |
| 20:30.35 | BCMM | also, is this an ssu thing? are we discussing this in the wrong place? |
| 20:30.54 | unixSnob | anyone know how to get ahold of the gpg key E40DC434616730BD? |
| 20:31.17 | Venemo | BCMM: it's a configurable option |
| 20:31.31 | BCMM | Venemo: in what? |
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| 20:32.02 | MohammadAG | you need a custom hildon-desktop |
| 20:32.28 | MohammadAG | the next CSSU update will include it and make it configurable, thanks to thp |
| 20:32.48 | BCMM | MohammadAG: that's what i was wondering, thanks |
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| 20:33.26 | BCMM | MohammadAG: next as in the one i'm installing now, or the one after that? |
| 20:33.49 | MohammadAG | the one after it |
| 20:33.55 | MohammadAG | i'll hopefully upload it today |
| 20:34.17 | BCMM | cool |
| 20:34.31 | piggz | ah, i thought it was in already as it was comitted |
| 20:34.34 | piggz | my error |
| 20:35.01 | BCMM | it's always bugged me that one can't read the parent window other than in short snatches while switching windows |
| 20:35.05 | MohammadAG | I'd upload it, but my laptop lacks WoL :P |
| 20:36.00 | BCMM | heh |
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| 20:36.58 | BCMM | talking of how it's annoying having to actually physically go to where a device is sometimes, what's the simplest way to make sound some from a shell, even if the n900 is on silent? |
| 20:37.12 | BCMM | (for when i am SSH'ed in, but can't find the damn thing) |
| 20:37.22 | Jartza | :) |
| 20:37.25 | BCMM | (yes this actually happens quite a lot) |
| 20:37.30 | MohammadAG | I use my script |
| 20:37.34 | MohammadAG | phone-control |
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| 20:37.50 | MohammadAG | phone-control --volume 100, then i use mplayer |
| 20:38.37 | BCMM | MohammadAG: so what does phone-control do? convenient command-line access to stuff which doesn't otherwise have convenient command-line access? |
| 20:39.12 | MohammadAG | BCMM, I can't remember dbus paths and I hate having to browse the wiki to look up the dbus command for something |
| 20:39.15 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: see http://venemo.net/puzzle-master_1.1.0_armel.deb |
| 20:39.29 | MohammadAG | so I merged all (or most?) commands from the Phone Control wiki in one script |
| 20:39.48 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: now I'll start with your latest recommendations |
| 20:40.03 | MohammadAG | BCMM, http://pastebin.com/U53N7Sqx |
| 20:40.55 | BCMM | MohammadAG: splendid! |
| 20:41.06 | SpeedEvil | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav |
| 20:42.36 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, doesn't work in silent afaik |
| 20:43.00 | BCMM | nah, it's the other half of the problem |
| 20:43.16 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ah |
| 20:43.22 | unixSnob | For the logs => To properly get around the missing key error "NO_PUBKEY E40DC434616730BD", run this: gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key E40DC434616730BD && gpg --armor --export E40DC434616730BD | apt-key add - |
| 20:43.29 | MohammadAG | play_sound ignores volume, always uses 100 |
| 20:43.30 | BCMM | i'm going to do both in a simple script and call in whereami |
| 20:43.36 | MohammadAG | -* |
| 20:43.51 | BCMM | (like whoami, the other command one only types when one's brain has temporarily stopped working) |
| 20:43.52 | MohammadAG | but only in general |
| 20:44.06 | MohammadAG | sometimes I just echo 255 into the vibra |
| 20:44.14 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what does that do? |
| 20:44.18 | MohammadAG | its sound is enough to find the device |
| 20:44.39 | BCMM | MohammadAG: 255? is the strength of the vibration configurable? |
| 20:44.45 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:44.47 | SpeedEvil | it's analog |
| 20:44.58 | SpeedEvil | It starts at around 19 - varying in temp |
| 20:45.07 | SpeedEvil | though at that output, you can;'t feel it |
| 20:45.50 | MohammadAG | Venemo, start the vibra |
| 20:46.07 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ah. |
| 20:46.45 | MohammadAG | echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness |
| 20:46.49 | MohammadAG | try it as root |
| 20:47.01 | MohammadAG | touching the screen will disable it, ideal when doing it over ssh |
| 20:47.03 | unixSnob | fuck me... The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org> |
| 20:47.09 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: your tester should test full screen mode and automatic rotation :P |
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| 20:47.18 | unixSnob | getting the proper key installed just avoids the first problem |
| 20:47.20 | MohammadAG | also if you know a desperate girl and she has an N900.... |
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| 20:47.22 | MohammadAG | nevermind |
| 20:47.59 | trx | lol |
| 20:48.04 | BCMM | MohammadAG: surely that would void the warranty? |
| 20:48.34 | MohammadAG | BCMM, depends on the girl |
| 20:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sleep 2; echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness |
| 20:48.58 | trx | and the vibration FQ |
| 20:48.59 | trx | :) |
| 20:49.08 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: also the animations are refined, plus the puzzle assembles itself when you surrender |
| 20:49.10 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's not necessary over ssh |
| 20:49.13 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 20:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 20:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: he's asleep now, I guess |
| 20:49.33 | MohammadAG | trx, yeah, and what happens after 20 minutes |
| 20:49.49 | MohammadAG | the slider might become loose |
| 20:49.54 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well I'll suffice with you then if you wanna test :P |
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| 20:50.09 | trx | yeah, or strange fluids might make a short.. |
| 20:50.16 | BCMM | why does "echo 20 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness" produce a quite beeping noise? |
| 20:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | watching news about Egypt, maybe later |
| 20:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: PWM cycle freq |
| 20:51.37 | Venemo | also DocScrutinizer, it's now not possible to cover a piece with a bigger piece |
| 20:51.44 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: PWM frequrncy |
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| 20:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: vib motor gets switched on for 20 parts and off for 235 parts of a 1/4000 second |
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| 21:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | btw 255 for vib might be not safe for extended periods of time. And it's useless anyway - I found the effect is even better on lower power for the vib. 255 is simply too fast for such a heavy device to make it vibrate |
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| 21:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | though vibrator REALLY behaves extremely strange when echo 100 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness while locked |
| 21:05.45 | RST38h | vibrator has brightness? =) |
| 21:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | there's *definitely* something ODD going on |
| 21:05.53 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-S |
| 21:06.03 | trumee | Guys, it it possible to run the Openvpn applet from the command line? |
| 21:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | vib is a LED |
| 21:06.07 | Venemo | RST38h: according to the kernel, the vibrator is a led |
| 21:06.15 | RST38h | Yeaaaaah |
| 21:06.16 | BCMM | RST38h: presumably, it's connected to the same system that does LED brightness |
| 21:06.35 | BCMM | the LEDs are definitely PWM, because i can see it |
| 21:06.53 | trumee | I can always call openvpn directly in a script, but it will be more useful to have a gui feedback the applet |
| 21:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | it's so fsckng hilarious how vib behaves, I just wonder what strange bug that might be. Suspect CPU freq governour |
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| 21:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: nope |
| 21:09.57 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: to what? |
| 21:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: LEDs are completely different hw |
| 21:10.08 | BCMM | heh, so why does it have brightness? |
| 21:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | because of it's a similar type of device? |
| 21:11.58 | trx | brightness = voltage is it not? |
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| 21:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | damn, could anybody confirm this totally random fsckdup behaviour of vib, for `echo 150 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness` while locked? |
| 21:12.58 | BCMM | will my n900 explode? |
| 21:13.25 | Venemo | BCMM: of course |
| 21:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | probably they'd have been better off calling it intensity rather than brightness, for all devices of class LED |
| 21:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: nope |
| 21:13.55 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: what sort of oddness? it just vibrates, loudly |
| 21:14.13 | BCMM | what does yours do? |
| 21:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | mine changes between 255-intesity, 150-intesity, and 0, on a random pattern |
| 21:14.38 | trx | hahaha |
| 21:14.48 | trx | wierd :D |
| 21:15.05 | trx | changes patterns |
| 21:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | true random, yes |
| 21:15.47 | trx | random |
| 21:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | well, not true, but at least good enough |
| 21:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | no pattern |
| 21:16.13 | trx | no pattern at all |
| 21:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | WTF??? |
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| 21:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | stop mce didn't help |
| 21:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | seems a true kernel bug |
| 21:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect CPU clock freq changes firing back to PWM somehow |
| 21:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | the most strange thing is it only happens when locked |
| 21:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | well, screen brightness as well has one component controlled by same hw PWM |
| 21:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | so it might be possible that something gets disabled or misconfig'd when screen goes to sleep (aka dim backlight) |
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| 21:22.16 | DocScrutinizer | I prolly should check the kernel driver source |
| 21:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | I guess I could spot the bug |
| 21:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | (btw I mentioned this already some 6..9 months ago, seems I should have opened a ticket instead) |
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| 21:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | trx: so what's the kernel you are using? |
| 21:27.20 | trx | power v46 |
| 21:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 21:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
| 21:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | going to check with stock kernel, but I thnk I'm sure it happened some 6 months ago as well, on stock |
| 21:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | MEH, OK on stock |
| 21:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | so my next suspect is this friggin dbrightness patch |
| 21:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | which is cmpletely unclear how it's meant to work anyway |
| 21:31.27 | MohammadAG | pull the battery |
| 21:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 21:31.34 | MohammadAG | switching kernels won't help |
| 21:31.41 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 21:32.01 | MohammadAG | LED gone? |
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| 21:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 21:32.07 | MohammadAG | or did misinterpret that |
| 21:32.14 | MohammadAG | = me sounding like an idiot |
| 21:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | power kernel buggy |
| 21:32.16 | MohammadAG | did I* |
| 21:33.03 | Venemo | MohammadAG: would you please test the latest puzzle-master? http://venemo.net/puzzle-master_1.1.0_armel.deb |
| 21:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | X-( missing pkgs: libhildon-extras1; libhildon1 (>=2.2.22) |
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| 21:35.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/packages or just install from -devel |
| 21:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | mmpf |
| 21:37.06 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libhildon1/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/libhildon-extras1/ |
| 21:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: could you kick out that dbrightness patch? |
| 21:38.22 | MohammadAG | not now, in bed :P |
| 21:40.32 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, lazy bastard. |
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| 21:44.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: no puzzlemaster to install or update, even from -devel |
| 21:44.38 | MohammadAG | GAN900, got school :P |
| 21:44.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: I meant that for the libs |
| 21:44.58 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: puzzlemaster update will go to -devel after you have tested it :) |
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| 21:48.47 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: especially interested in your 11-year-old tester :) so please show it to him(her?) tomorrow :) |
| 21:49.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm reluctant to (try) install those libs |
| 21:50.36 | chem|st | HELP |
| 21:50.57 | MohammadAG | Venemo, where do you store recently used images? |
| 21:50.58 | chem|st | I think my debian killed my external hdd... |
| 21:51.36 | Venemo | MohammadAG: QSettings |
| 21:52.32 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ~/.conf/Venemo/Puzzle Master/... |
| 21:52.50 | xuggs | Hi. Can someone help figure why this is failing? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zSyZGa06 |
| 21:52.55 | MohammadAG | Venemo, do you save on exit? |
| 21:53.07 | MohammadAG | cause I had to delete it, twice :p |
| 21:53.12 | chem|st | http://paste.debian.net/106719/ |
| 21:53.13 | xuggs | I am trying to use SIP over OpenVPN but it fails to connect |
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| 21:54.09 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I save it when you add a new one |
| 21:54.22 | Venemo | MohammadAG: and the app doesn't forget them while it's running |
| 21:54.39 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I'll add options to maintain the list |
| 21:57.21 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, no excuse. |
| 22:00.31 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: don't worry, those libs should work okay. |
| 22:02.13 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: I also added you to the thanks section of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139 's first post :) |
| 22:02.43 | trumee | guys, somehow mc-tool doesnt want to run if i stick it in /etc/network/if-up.d/script |
| 22:04.09 | ShadowJK | Does script get executed? |
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| 22:05.24 | trumee | ShadowJK: http://www.pastie.org/1535185 |
| 22:05.29 | trumee | ShadowJK: yes, it does get executed |
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| 22:06.21 | trumee | ShadowJK: it is just that mc-tool doesnt run in the script |
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| 22:07.41 | ShadowJK | hm :/ |
| 22:08.31 | trumee | ShadowJK: do i need a run-standalone.sh mc-tool |
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| 22:09.16 | MohammadAG | GAN900, don't make me visit florida |
| 22:09.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's mc-tool |
| 22:10.13 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: mission-control to control telepathy components |
| 22:10.23 | Venemo | MohammadAG: :D |
| 22:10.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | AcoughA |
| 22:10.34 | trumee | ShadowJK: ah! it works |
| 22:10.45 | trumee | ShadowJK: yup, need that run-standalone.sh |
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| 22:13.12 | trumee | does openvpn run from its init script in N900? |
| 22:13.21 | trumee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.56 | trumee | i want to bring up openvpn via "if-pre-up.d" rather than manually using the openvpn applet |
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| 22:16.19 | trumee | So as soon i hit the Wifi connect button, openvpn gets triggered. |
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| 22:17.21 | ShadowJK | Yeah it runs if you've got a configuration for it |
| 22:17.30 | ShadowJK | Try starting it manually first /etc/init.d/openvpn start |
| 22:19.41 | trumee | ShadowJK: how does it get the name of the conf file? |
| 22:20.08 | ShadowJK | probably /etc/defaults/openvpn |
| 22:20.12 | ShadowJK | or something like that |
| 22:20.17 | trumee | ShadowJK: /etc/default/openvpn should have AUTOSTART="something" |
| 22:20.22 | ShadowJK | check the /etc/init.d/openvpn script, that's what I did |
| 22:20.31 | ShadowJK | Oh and tunnel configs are probably in /etc/openvpn/ |
| 22:20.41 | trumee | ShadowJK: right. it had something called $NAME |
| 22:22.02 | trumee | ShadowJK: init script refers to a $NAME.conf, no idea where it comes from though |
| 22:22.04 | trx | in C++ in, if (x = y && a = b) does && mean "AND" or "OR"? |
| 22:22.13 | nox- | and |
| 22:22.16 | trx | ty |
| 22:22.22 | nox- | logical and not binary |
| 22:22.50 | Venemo | hey again |
| 22:23.00 | pupnik | frozen lemons sound just like pool-balls when you clack them together |
| 22:23.38 | BCMM | that makes a surprising amount of sense |
| 22:23.45 | BCMM | frozen grapes are nasty |
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| 22:25.58 | pupnik | :) |
| 22:28.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably also much easier to squeeze the juice out, one you froze and warmed up those lemmons |
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| 22:32.19 | pupnik | theoretically it should be DocScrutinizer51 |
| 22:34.44 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, it's warm here. :P |
| 22:35.23 | BCMM | MohammadAG: why does phone-control put run-standalone.sh before dbus-send commands? |
| 22:35.41 | pupnik | in addition they can be bought when cheap, frozen forever, and heated in microwave whenever you want a non-caffeine, non-alcoholic drink |
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| 22:40.26 | Venemo | pupnik: sounds good |
| 22:41.17 | pupnik | Venemo: i can't share anything else useful :) |
| 22:41.24 | Venemo | pupnik: :) |
| 22:41.41 | pupnik | except anybody in UK who wants to buy soem great pasta-sauce i found another source |
| 22:41.49 | MohammadAG | BCMM, if you do a sudo dbus-send it fails |
| 22:42.07 | pupnik | asian/thai style - it's soo good, but they don't ship to germany |
| 22:42.13 | BCMM | MohammadAG: ah, it only works normally because of some bit of the environment... |
| 22:42.24 | BCMM | (by normally, i meant from bash) |
| 22:42.32 | Venemo | does someone have an N810 and ~5 minutes for me? |
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| 22:44.47 | pupnik | What's the question Venemo |
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| 22:45.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | BCMM: session bus - ponder the word |
| 22:45.44 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer51: :) |
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| 22:47.27 | Venemo | pupnik: I'd like to see how puzzle-master runs on N810 |
| 22:47.41 | Venemo | pupnik: if you're willing to test, I'll make you a .deb |
| 22:47.47 | pupnik | i can't - stolen |
| 22:47.47 | BCMM | MohammadAG: do you accept extra functions for phone-control? seems like determining current profile is a missing feature. |
| 22:48.22 | Venemo | pupnik :( |
| 22:48.24 | BCMM | (i've just made a script to enable the general profile, make some noise, and then return to whichever profile was in use before) |
| 22:51.45 | MohammadAG | BCMM, I think I did that |
| 22:52.18 | MohammadAG | phone-control --profileset without any parameters |
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| 22:53.43 | BCMM | MohammadAG: oh, sorry - --help doesn't mention that |
| 22:53.59 | MohammadAG | BCMM, sorry, was a newbie back then :P |
| 22:54.00 | BCMM | at least i learned a little awk |
| 22:54.40 | MohammadAG | --ledon shows patterns if no patterns are specified |
| 22:55.02 | trumee | ShadowJK: init script craps out, http://www.pastie.org/1535305 |
| 22:57.00 | ShadowJK | I've never tried "status" :) |
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| 22:59.03 | trumee | ShadowJK: where does the log of openvpn go? |
| 22:59.29 | trumee | ShadowJK: it might be necessary to look into the log, if i ever had trouble with openvpn |
| 22:59.38 | ShadowJK | syslog, which is nonexistant on maemo unless you have syslogd package installed |
| 22:59.45 | ShadowJK | which fills up rootfs if you leave it running |
| 23:00.11 | trumee | ah, crap. i dont want syslogd |
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| 23:31.03 | trumee | MohammadAG, what is new in mc in extras-devel? |
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| 23:33.28 | trumee | MohammadAG, seems you are the maintainer of mc. |
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