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| 00:22.45 | woki | hi guys, my connection to my n900 keeps timing out from shell and qtcreator |
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| 00:22.57 | woki | even with mad developer running |
| 00:23.02 | woki | any ideas why? |
| 00:27.40 | DocScrutinizer | who's wiki admin? SPAM ALERT! http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:USB_host_mode&diff=next&oldid=36035 |
| 00:28.57 | lardman | night chaps |
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| 00:37.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: how do you know it's spam |
| 00:37.50 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: do you speak russian? |
| 00:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | I can tell from the formatting easily |
| 00:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | also from the URLs |
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| 00:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | I really doubt the point of enabling anonymous (unregistered) wiki edits |
| 00:44.26 | woki | when i deploy an app i'm developing on my n900, where is the executable copied? |
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| 00:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | please rephrase |
| 00:45.35 | woki | to see if i was doing right ( following the meego examples ) i deployed the qt examples to my n900 |
| 00:45.44 | woki | using the "release" mode in qtcreator |
| 00:46.16 | woki | so what i want to know is "where does qtcreator copy the executable of my app to my n900 to be able to execute it"? |
| 00:48.10 | woki | did you understand my question? |
| 00:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | suggests "find" |
| 00:48.32 | Sc0rpius | you just wanna know where the executable file is? |
| 00:50.13 | woki | and what files it deploys to the device to make the app run |
| 00:50.23 | woki | so i can clean it up when i've finished developing |
| 00:50.46 | Sc0rpius | I thought it built a .deb package |
| 00:51.03 | Sc0rpius | so you could easily uninstall it |
| 00:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | find / -mmin 90 |
| 00:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | find / -mmin 90 -ls |
| 00:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | or 5 instead of 90, if you're 'fast' ;-) |
| 00:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even -cmin |
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| 00:55.06 | woki | don't know what debian does. I use another distro |
| 00:56.05 | Sc0rpius | heh :) .deb packages are what N900 use |
| 00:56.56 | woki | ??? packaging error? |
| 00:57.01 | woki | what the?... |
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| 01:06.57 | woki | anyone ever get this error? |
| 01:06.59 | woki | http://pastebin.com/yB84VQ69 |
| 01:13.08 | corecode | nods |
| 01:13.17 | corecode | now fmms will show animated gifs |
| 01:13.21 | corecode | and zoom them |
| 01:18.15 | corecode | how do you find which gettext strings exist for maemo? |
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| 02:58.49 | blackthorne | hi |
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| 03:00.34 | ebzzry | If I want my bluetooth keyboard to work with N900, what should I read? |
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| 03:05.58 | tank-man | ebzzry, what is there to read? just sync it |
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| 03:06.29 | ebzzry | tank-man: it pairs easily? |
| 03:06.44 | tank-man | i have a n800 and it was easy to do |
| 03:06.58 | ebzzry | tank-man: As easy as 1) Turn on BT on N900, 2) Pair with keyboard? |
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| 03:07.19 | tank-man | easy as goto control panel and pick bluetooh and add device then use it |
| 03:08.23 | tank-man | so easy to do, you wouldn't know you were using a linux system :) |
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| 03:12.02 | ShadowJK | i dont think that works on n900 anymore |
| 03:12.10 | ShadowJK | it did work on n800 though |
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| 03:14.55 | ShadowJK | or maybe that was just su-8w that didn't work anymore |
| 03:14.58 | ShadowJK | shrugs |
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| 03:15.58 | ebzzry | tank-man: Are these applicable for the N900? |
| 03:16.39 | tank-man | if it was working in n800, why would nokia change the way it works and break it in n900? |
| 03:16.56 | tank-man | i used a apple bt keyboard |
| 03:17.21 | ebzzry | tank-man: You can't make that kind of generalization, I'm afraid. |
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| 03:19.20 | tank-man | does nokia have a history of breaking things ? |
| 03:21.31 | ebzzry | (Not to be rude, tankman) But either you're trolling or you are ignorant, I'd assume the former. |
| 03:22.37 | ShadowJK | short answer: pressed on time the device specs were removed of things deemed unnecessary like bluetooth file browsing (because apparently when n900 is both phone and tablet you dont have phone to browse anymore) and bt keyb (since you have builtin keyb) and bluetooth outgoing interwebs (since n900 has cellular internets builtin) |
| 03:22.54 | ShadowJK | and those untested things were disabled in the configuration files |
| 03:26.33 | ShadowJK | i think there are issues with keyboard layouts if you just enable the bt keyboard functionality, there's most likely a thread on t.m.o., I remember seeing one... |
| 03:26.43 | ShadowJK | don't remember the thread topic/name though |
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| 03:46.15 | [q^_^p] | hi for all i want some i can not connect my bt mouse to phone some help please |
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| 05:44.45 | jonwil | bah, its been almost a week since I dropped my N900 off at Nokia Care and its still not back (they claim they are waiting for a replacement and its not here yet :( ) |
| 05:45.44 | ShadowJK | I think I'm on week 2 or 3 |
| 05:45.48 | ShadowJK | I forget |
| 05:46.29 | jonwil | and I thought Nokia was the best in the industry when it came to repairs and warranty |
| 05:46.58 | ShadowJK | lol :) |
| 05:48.17 | jonwil | My previous Motorola phone was fixed fairly quickly in both times it was broken (once at the official Motorola warranty place) |
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| 06:35.59 | jonwil | I guess it depends on where the replacement phone is comming from as to how long it should take to get there |
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| 07:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | low absolute number of N900 sold (compared to popular phones of Nokia) causes repair facilities being a sparse resource. Then the "complex" OS aka firmware is likely to cause a huge number of false positives, so they won't hand out replacements easily, and retail shows don't have competence to "fix" soft errors |
| 07:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | and mooo |
| 07:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | s/shows/shops/. |
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| 07:24.32 | johnx | m00f |
| 07:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | German repair shops all have a "usually 2 weeks, sometimes longer" policy for N900 repairs |
| 07:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | they all send in almost every N900 - i.e. if it's not fixable by any semi-talented tech user as well |
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| 07:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | the special tools (fixtures, jigs, tools, spare parts) needed for N900 are simply too expensive for the half a dozen N900 they might see coming in for repair during a year |
| 07:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | (the bane of too many service centers :-P) |
| 07:30.53 | RobbieThe1st | While I might agree with you, I have to say that if -I- can fix one with the tools I have lying around :\ |
| 07:31.19 | johnx | RobbieThe1st, then you're worth more per year than a service tech earns |
| 07:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | sure, but then you got "infinite" time resources and surely better knowledge about the device, than a nokia care center |
| 07:32.37 | RobbieThe1st | I suppose. Yea, 2 hours might be considered high. |
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| 07:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | when I asked about my power button they fscked up at Nokia repair facility, the shop told me they either *need* to send in again as it's been Nokia that broke it. OR they can repair "ambulant" but that will cost *me* ~40EUR |
| 07:35.02 | johnx | the problem is invariably that after someone passes a certain skill level, their time is better spent doing something else than working in a repair center |
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| 07:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | now that's been about a very simple SMD switch that either got loose and needs 30s with the hot iron, or needs a complete replacement of switch (10min) or even a swap of whole PCB (send in to Nokia anyway) |
| 07:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | but incl all the dis- and re-assembling and bureaucratic shit they are easily hitting the 1h mark |
| 07:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | and it's unclear how much Nokia is willing to pay them for an ambulant fix - probably nothing at all in this case |
| 07:40.34 | RobbieThe1st | Well, I guess that's why you keep a soldering iron yourself - makes things a -lot- faster when things break |
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| 07:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | that's an option I keep for the time when the switch breaks completely :-) |
| 07:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | I'm too scared by the one device that ceased working after I disassembled it (and I'm for sure no less skilled than any arbitrary repair shop dude, so that's another problem they have to count in and deal with) |
| 07:44.21 | johnx | yeah, taking these things apart is always a roll of the dice |
| 07:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | "sorry dead customer, when we disassembled it, the self destruct got trigered. Too bad..." - usually won't fly |
| 07:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | dear* :-P |
| 07:45.23 | johnx | dead is because that's how long it takes to come back with the news ... |
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| 07:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-D |
| 07:45.58 | johnx | dearest next of kin: ... |
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| 07:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | no wonder, with *these* news I'd be reluctant as well :-P |
| 07:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | plan: wait til summer holiday. Instruct trainee to call customer during my offtime and tell him the device magically disappeared |
| 07:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | then order a new N900 "for display", send to customer, and shredder the documents about the whole case |
| 07:50.10 | johnx | has a 'display' n800 :) |
| 07:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | blame shop lifters |
| 07:50.51 | johnx | eh? No, I mean I bought the floor demo unit |
| 07:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | And I completed the repair shop employee's plan by point 3 |
| 07:51.31 | johnx | the store was going out of business and I convinced them to give me the demo unit, just a bare N800 and charger |
| 07:51.35 | johnx | ah |
| 07:51.36 | johnx | got it |
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| 07:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'm actually wondering where to get vmware for maemo |
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| 07:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ |
| 07:55.01 | johnx | Was there even a beta or anything? I thought it was just a vaporous demo |
| 07:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | not like I've really searched a single minute yet |
| 07:56.22 | jonwil | well in my case they said first thing monday morning "device being looked at by Nokia technician" followed soon after by "waiting for replacement Nokia handset" |
| 07:56.57 | jonwil | so its clear that they looked at it and then decided straight away that it was better to replace the phone than to attempt a repair |
| 07:57.46 | jonwil | The only question is where the replacement phone has to come from (e.g. eastern states, Asia, Europe) and how long its going to take to get here from there :( |
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| 07:58.23 | johnx | next door, and 3 weeks |
| 07:59.12 | jonwil | Given the likely small # of N900s in Perth, I doubt Nokia Care would have one locally |
| 07:59.33 | jonwil | My guess is that its either comming from some central warehouse in Sydney or Melbourne |
| 07:59.55 | jonwil | or its comming from somewhere in Asia where the phones get made and packaged |
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| 08:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia most likely has one "service and repair facility" (probably 3 employees) for whole aussiland |
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| 08:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | depending on holiday schedules, floods, and random nature of # of repair requests/week, this may get processed same day or the other month |
| 08:13.06 | jonwil | nope, they definatly have a local repair center |
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| 08:13.27 | jonwil | They definatly have a "nokia care" facility in Perth |
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| 08:13.34 | jonwil | that does actual repairs |
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| 08:13.47 | DocScrutinizer | what's "local"? like "on southern hemisphere"? then yes |
| 08:14.16 | jonwil | Local as in ~1-1.5 hours away |
| 08:14.29 | jonwil | I saw it first hand when I dropped my phone off |
| 08:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's not contradicting my assumptions it's the only one in Perth |
| 08:14.40 | jonwil | and it was clear that it was an actual repair center |
| 08:14.45 | jonwil | and yes its the only one in Perth |
| 08:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | Perth is the only one, sorry |
| 08:15.13 | jonwil | nope, they have others in other states |
| 08:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | amazing |
| 08:15.27 | jonwil | I have seen the Brisbane one from the outside |
| 08:15.34 | jonwil | or was that the Melbourne one |
| 08:15.36 | jonwil | I forget |
| 08:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | so they have 3 centers with one employee rather than one with 3 of them? |
| 08:16.07 | jonwil | in any case given how fast they took to make the "replace rather than repair" decision, the number of repair people they have doesn't matter in this case |
| 08:16.58 | jonwil | They had at least 3 employees sitting there front-of-house dealing with customers. Plus several technicians that I saw in the back room through the open door |
| 08:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | that decision was a statement of the shop where you sent in the device. It only means "we can't do anything as it's more complicated than batery swap. We send it in" |
| 08:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I guess you still know IMEI and ser# of your original device. Compare that to the 'swapped' 'new' one you get |
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| 08:19.58 | jonwil | My bet is that because no local carrier sells the N900 and there are so few around, they probably dont have the spares on hand/know-how that they would have for a really popular handset like the N95 |
| 08:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: iirc your device had that FPC problem. They will swap the flexible board, at central nokia repair facility |
| 08:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: exactly |
| 08:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | neither know how, nor spare parts, nor tools |
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| 08:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | I got NFC as I never been in resales/CustomerCare business, but I guess all hw-manufacturers have a deal with their resellers about repair procedures, that goes like this: "repair it locally and get $xx from us, on sending in documentation about customer and fixed parts. Or send it in to our central repair facility" |
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| 08:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | here $xx is rather low |
| 08:25.30 | jonwil | This isn't a reseller or 3rd party, this is clearly a genuine Nokia owned facility |
| 08:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | and a fixed amount, regardless of what's been defect |
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| 08:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter, same procedure |
| 08:26.10 | jonwil | maybe they do what I have heard of other manufacturers doing, i.e. provide a replacement handset and then take the broken one, fix it up and use it as a refurb for the next guy who needs a warranty replacement |
| 08:26.15 | jonwil | I heard of companies like Apple doing that |
| 08:26.18 | jonwil | maybe Nokia does it |
| 08:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | just level of trust is a little bit higher then, between Nokia global and shoppee local |
| 08:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: (refurb) won't happen. Refurbishing to a level where they could ship it is more expensive than a new device |
| 08:27.50 | jonwil | Apple does refurbs of iPhones |
| 08:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | manpower is extremely expensive, mass produced hw is cheap |
| 08:28.04 | jonwil | I know of several people who have received refurb iPhones |
| 08:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, apple is special in many respects |
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| 08:31.05 | DocScrutinizer | N900 is on sale for ~300$ now. This means internal value inside Nokia at large is <<100$ for one device. Now guess what they need to calculate for one hour of bench or office time to refurbish a device, and how long that actually might take, to make sure you're not shipping devices that come back for repair later^H^H immediately |
| 08:31.18 | jonwil | hmmm, good point |
| 08:31.43 | jonwil | I still think they would have said "handset being repaired" if that's what was happening (regardless of whether it was happening locally or not) |
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| 08:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | just check your ser+/IMEI later |
| 08:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | we'll all be wiser than |
| 08:32.58 | DocScrutinizer | then* |
| 08:33.41 | jonwil | yeah |
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| 08:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | for my repair they weren't even able to tell me what's been done exactly @ Nokia central repair facility, they just knew "it got fixed" |
| 08:35.23 | jonwil | Oh and btw, my phone cost me $541 total |
| 08:35.25 | jonwil | so it wasnt cheap |
| 08:35.33 | jonwil | Thats AU$ btw |
| 08:35.48 | jonwil | anyhow I will compare the phone to the serial # on my proof of purchase |
| 08:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think they take it serious to use the correct term about what Nokia will do, esp if they don't know beforehand |
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| 08:36.13 | jonwil | hmmm ok |
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| 08:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | in your case they probably will do a flexiboard swap (the thing that is cable as well as PCB holding front cam, LED, ALS, earpiece...) |
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| 08:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html <--this one |
| 08:42.56 | johnx | gah. soooo much moves in a couple 'patch' releases of the linux kernel |
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| 08:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | the D shaped brown thingie at end of the dark flat cable is what's usually breaking |
| 08:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | C-shaped? |
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| 08:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | LOL @ http://www.ownta.com/brand-new-nokia-n900-unlocked-cell-phone.html <-- is that a N810-WIMAX? Or why is this one black? |
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| 08:58.39 | inz | Doc, yes, it's a WiMAX |
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| 08:59.53 | SpeedEvil | The wimax variant is AIUI rarer than n900s. |
| 08:59.57 | RST38h | "John Carmack knows how to invoke the *real* console, to enter cheats and set sv_gravity 0. But he isn't telling anyone, as he hates cheaters." |
| 09:01.31 | RST38h | "John Carmack once invented the lighting model for games that is better than real sunlight and produces good fps on a PentiumII. But he does not release this engine, becuase he loves God and hates showing His incompetence in the matters of lighting." |
| 09:01.58 | toresbe | hehe |
| 09:02.08 | RST38h | "Most Carmack's games are based on real events that will occur in 2110." |
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| 09:25.00 | jonwil | my god that flexboard thing is more expensive than I thought it would be |
| 09:25.26 | SpeedEvil | It's not covered under warranty? |
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| 09:26.19 | jonwil | it should be |
| 09:26.41 | jonwil | but the price on that link from earlier suggests that its more expensive for the part than I thought it was |
| 09:27.14 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 09:41.45 | RobbieThe1st | jonwil: Check ebay. |
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| 09:42.06 | RobbieThe1st | jonwil: I got a LCD screen for <$50US. Took a while to arrive, but still |
| 09:42.07 | jonwil | I dont need a replacement part, Nokia is fixing my phone under warranty |
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| 09:42.32 | jonwil | I am just surprised at how expensive N900 parts can be |
| 09:43.21 | SpeedEvil | In volume, they're probably cheaper, but you're not buying 100k. |
| 09:45.33 | RST38h | jonwil: Expensive as compared to what? |
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| 09:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | as in compared to price of a whole device vs price of the sum of its parts. Same for every car and whatever |
| 09:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | LCD + touchpad + flexiboard > complete N900 with mainboard, case, charger and all |
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| 10:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly, but you get the picture |
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| 10:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | original BL-5J: ~45$ |
| 10:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | (Nokia list) |
| 10:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen devices where a single spare part was more expensive than the whole device, new, street sale |
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| 10:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | btw I thinks it's extremely poor design Nokia hasn't thought about replacing *just* the flexicable, I.E. make that detachable from the expensive flexiboard with all the components like front camera, LED, ALS, earpiece... |
| 10:11.05 | kerio | and add *another* point of failure? |
| 10:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 10:11.36 | kerio | maybe they thought it was fine like this, they weren't expecting it to break so often |
| 10:11.46 | kerio | (same for the usb :< ) |
| 10:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably |
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| 10:12.28 | MohammadAG | they should |
| 10:12.51 | alterego | de press ed |
| 10:13.01 | SpeedEvil | Another point of failure, another assmebly operation, and another $.1 BOM |
| 10:13.48 | MohammadAG | depresses ed |
| 10:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | for the USB wait a few weeks/months longer. I bought a bare main PCB, so I'll check out all the undocumented testpads and eventually will come up with a drop-in cradle solution for charging that won't stress USB receptacle by design |
| 10:13.51 | MohammadAG | alterego, then? |
| 10:13.53 | alterego | My ex wants me to go over to the flat and make cakes with her |
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| 10:14.26 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you bought a N900 main board? |
| 10:14.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I keep meaning to make a low-profile right-angle connector. |
| 10:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: yup |
| 10:14.47 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ownta.com/compatible-nokia-n900-cell-phone-pcb-board-without-spareparts.html alterego |
| 10:15.00 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: nice, how much did that set you back? |
| 10:15.09 | xkr47 | alterego, uh.-oh |
| 10:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | see ^^^ |
| 10:15.31 | alterego | I think I'm more likely to get a spare screen over any other spare part :) |
| 10:15.39 | alterego | Cheers |
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| 10:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | friggin useless part, except for me to check traces |
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| 10:16.27 | alterego | Oh, right |
| 10:16.38 | alterego | It's just the _board_ :D |
| 10:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | so please don't bother to buy one even for $10, unless you understand *exactly* what that is |
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| 10:17.08 | alterego | Still yeah, that's quite useful, in conjunction with the schematicsa |
| 10:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 10:17.34 | alterego | I don't really have much interest in modding the hardware tbh. |
| 10:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | I have |
| 10:17.59 | MohammadAG | you're an engineer :P |
| 10:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | also interested in augmenting the incredibly crippled schematics |
| 10:18.08 | alterego | I see the N900 as a platform for me to get seriously into coding Qt apps for the next wave of devices. |
| 10:18.31 | alterego | Heh, still I would like a digital compass |
| 10:18.40 | MohammadAG | install one |
| 10:18.54 | alterego | I think that's the only mod that'd I'd be interested in for the N900 |
| 10:19.02 | SpeedEvil | alterego: gyro too is useful |
| 10:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | this project will help designing a hw-mod, so you get a nicely integrated one |
| 10:19.07 | alterego | So I can do some cool augmented reality stuff. |
| 10:19.10 | alterego | Yeah |
| 10:19.17 | MohammadAG | aren't there USB digital compasses |
| 10:19.27 | alterego | MohammadAG: probably |
| 10:19.32 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Installed in the actual camera |
| 10:19.47 | alterego | I would prefer a micro sd one tbh :) |
| 10:19.49 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, hmm? |
| 10:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there's probably no free USB to hook them up though (if you plan to integrate and solder) |
| 10:20.08 | MohammadAG | alterego, me too, but I doubt they're that small :P |
| 10:20.22 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I've looked into it, but I can't find a compass chip thin enough to put in the microSD. |
| 10:20.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I was thinking removable and portable |
| 10:20.39 | alterego | SpeedEvil: oh, I thought I saw someone doing one. |
| 10:20.49 | alterego | But they hadn't "done" it yet. |
| 10:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking console tty |
| 10:21.11 | alterego | Admittedly it has very limited use (probably only useful in the N900) :D |
| 10:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | or even something we don't know of yet, like I2C |
| 10:21.46 | alterego | Yeah, that'd be nice. |
| 10:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | there's quite a number of testpads behind battery, which are largely undocumented in schematics |
| 10:22.28 | alterego | Yeah |
| 10:22.39 | alterego | I know there's usb and a tty there |
| 10:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | might even be possible to develop a solder free "plug" for that |
| 10:22.51 | alterego | probably jtag |
| 10:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 10:23.11 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: it is, I plan on doing something along those lines. |
| 10:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | fine :-D |
| 10:23.37 | alterego | I developed a similar cable for another handset. |
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| 10:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | grabs t900, rips out batery and uses caliper rule to see what's headroom for the 'plug' |
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| 10:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | 2.56mm :-D |
| 10:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | that's GREAT |
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| 10:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | I think a acrylic block of that thickness, with holes drilled in, and tiny gold plated springs, might do |
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| 10:35.32 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: read the wiki |
| 10:35.39 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: most of these testpads are documented now |
| 10:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | I'm more interested in VBUS for now, for attaching an alternative charging contact assembly |
| 10:35.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: as in half of them |
| 10:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm wondering about the other half |
| 10:36.12 | jacekowski | well, i was messing with scope on them |
| 10:36.15 | jacekowski | and nothing was there |
| 10:37.01 | jacekowski | but hmm |
| 10:37.05 | jacekowski | i have an idea |
| 10:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | my next plan had been to use R-meter to check if ther's any VBUS pad. But then I bought that blank PCB today |
| 10:37.18 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 10:37.19 | jacekowski | no i don't |
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| 10:39.27 | tybollt | wheee |
| 10:40.09 | alterego | Should be able to trace the pads back to whaever chip they're connected to and find out what it is |
| 10:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.28 | jacekowski | mod omap? |
| 10:40.36 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: useful cheat I've used in the past. Get strip of copper foil. Now, probe one point with an ohmeter probe, and the other one connected to teh foil. |
| 10:40.58 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: now, you can rub the foil over the board, and find where it beeps _lots_ faster |
| 10:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | yep, thought same |
| 10:41.27 | jacekowski | what is that "mod omap" |
| 10:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no further info available |
| 10:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it's modem, or UART |
| 10:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | or mood of day |
| 10:42.28 | SpeedEvil | modem OMAP |
| 10:42.45 | SpeedEvil | that is - the serial port of the modem debug |
| 10:42.54 | SpeedEvil | not the 'application' port |
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| 10:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, vbat probably just the batery contact, not actually a testpad |
| 10:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically what's written on one of those weird expensive fictures |
| 10:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | mod omap is serial console |
| 10:45.59 | jacekowski | btw. do you know that they have nothing inside |
| 10:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 10:46.17 | jacekowski | it's just like a plug/connector converter |
| 10:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 10:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.49 | jacekowski | draw it |
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| 10:48.12 | jacekowski | and btw. i never managed to get anything on cmt pads |
| 10:48.29 | jacekowski | only pads that were alive were omap serial |
| 10:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | debug output of cmt usually needs some enabling command |
| 10:49.27 | jacekowski | external |
| 10:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | at least calypso did |
| 10:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I'm just offering hearsay |
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| 10:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | and I heard: XTI eXtended Tracing Interface |
| 10:51.10 | lardman | morning |
| 10:51.43 | MohammadAG | morning lardman |
| 10:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | this is SF-148T |
| 10:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | now you got it all, my secret wisdom :-P |
| 10:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think it's much of an NDA covered topic anyway, but hard to get that info bits |
| 10:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | next chapter will be genuine RE results of the bare PCB :-D |
| 10:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | donations welcome ;-D |
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| 11:01.36 | jacekowski | well, that's good idea |
| 11:01.40 | jacekowski | buy broken n900 |
| 11:01.42 | jacekowski | desolder it |
| 11:01.47 | jacekowski | or just blank pcb |
| 11:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I ordered a blank PCB today ;-D |
| 11:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | donations were meant in $$ or batteries, tools, pizza and beer shipped express |
| 11:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | though I appreciated donations of broken N900 as well |
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| 11:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | January donation balance for h-e-n: ~24EUR :-P |
| 11:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | that almost compensates the one battery I killed |
| 11:10.58 | MohammadAG | remember to split it with Paul :) |
| 11:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 11:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'll send half of the pizza to him :-D |
| 11:11.52 | MohammadAG | I want 1/0 of all donations |
| 11:12.01 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 11:12.50 | kerio | MohammadAG: so you're going to give infinite money to the cause? |
| 11:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's not hard: 1/0 * (virtually) 0 = 100% of nuttin |
| 11:14.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: nope |
| 11:14.11 | kerio | 1/0 is nothing |
| 11:14.17 | kerio | 0/0 is anything |
| 11:14.30 | MohammadAG | what is +9000/0? |
| 11:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | x (/0 (*0)) = anything of nothing |
| 11:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | x / 0 = infinite. infinite * 0 = ? |
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| 11:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | or let's just transform: (x * 0) / 0 |
| 11:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | = anything |
| 11:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | of nothing |
| 11:18.18 | kerio | x/0 is not infinite |
| 11:18.26 | kerio | x/0 is nothing |
| 11:18.45 | lardman | it's infinite in MATLAB ;) |
| 11:18.50 | kerio | lardman: then matlab sucks |
| 11:18.54 | kerio | it should raise an exception |
| 11:18.56 | lardman | hmm |
| 11:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | limes x/n with n->0 is infinite |
| 11:19.03 | kerio | the *limit* from the right is +â |
| 11:19.15 | kerio | and the limit from the left is -â |
| 11:19.26 | kerio | that's why 1/0 is undefined |
| 11:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | heh, good point |
| 11:21.21 | kerio | in ieee754 divisions, 1/(+0) == +â and 1/(-0) == -â |
| 11:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you meant +0 or -0? X-P |
| 11:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 11:22.12 | lardman | that works in MATLAB too |
| 11:22.17 | kerio | but that's because ieee754 floats/doubles don't qualify as a field :) |
| 11:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | highfives kerio |
| 11:23.28 | kerio | "x^(-1)" is defined on all elements except "0", the null element of the "+" |
| 11:23.44 | kerio | where "x^(-1)", "0" and "+" are stuff |
| 11:24.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, + :P |
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| 11:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | you're lucky then. Otherwise I'd send you an invoice about â, minus 15% discount for immediate payment |
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| 11:26.48 | kerio | if we're talking about transfinite reals, then εâ»Â¹=â and |
| 11:27.00 | kerio | *and it's because they're defined as positive quantities |
| 11:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | cackles |
| 11:27.27 | kerio | but you still can't divide by zero!1!1 |
| 11:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | sucks at math terribly |
| 11:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: see? I toldya this donation button isn't really worth it. Too much overhead :-D |
| 11:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | not to mention spam mail from paypal |
| 11:29.57 | kerio | (and it's still not really "infinite", it's just bigger than other real numbers) |
| 11:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | aleph-what? |
| 11:30.43 | kerio | *real*, not natural |
| 11:30.57 | kerio | and cardinal numbers only measure the cardinality of sets |
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| 11:34.01 | SpeedEvil | Ah - fun. |
| 11:34.06 | SpeedEvil | Searching google. |
| 11:34.10 | SpeedEvil | Cardinal (Catholicism) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaA cardinal is a senior (although they are very spunky) ecclesiastical official, usually a bishop, of the Catholic Church. They are collectively known as the ... |
| 11:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I don't really understand what's א_0 |
| 11:34.32 | SpeedEvil | Someones reverted it though. |
| 11:35.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: it's, by definition, the cardinality of natural numbers |
| 11:36.36 | kerio | the cardinality of a set is "how many natural numbers can i put this set in a bijective mapping with?" |
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| 11:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | toldya I suck at math |
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| 11:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | you must adore it though |
| 11:37.36 | kerio | if your set can be put in a bijective mapping with all the natural numbers, its cardinality is aleph-null |
| 11:37.48 | kerio | which i can't really write in unicode without a left-to-right forcer ._. |
| 11:38.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: are there more integer numbers or natural numbers? |
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| 11:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | hard to tell. I guess the simple answer "more natural" is not exactly correct as both aren't limited. Nevertheless natural is more unlimited as there's not en element in int for each element in natural |
| 11:42.07 | kerio | hehe |
| 11:42.11 | kerio | ok, imagine this sequence |
| 11:42.18 | kerio | 0 1 -1 2 -2 3 -3 4 -4 5 -5 |
| 11:42.24 | kerio | etc. etc. |
| 11:42.29 | corecode | can you get a network/serial console to the n900 via the usb cable? |
| 11:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes, sure |
| 11:42.52 | corecode | ok, how? |
| 11:43.03 | kerio | corecode: usb networking |
| 11:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~usb-networking |
| 11:43.13 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 11:43.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: going ahead with that sequence will give you all the ints, right? |
| 11:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:43.36 | corecode | beauty |
| 11:44.23 | kerio | f(n) = int(n / 2) * (-1)**n |
| 11:44.37 | kerio | give all the natural numbers to that function, and you'll get all the integers |
| 11:44.38 | kerio | :) |
| 11:44.53 | kerio | you can invert that |
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| 11:45.08 | kerio | (also make that int(n / 2 + 1) ) |
| 11:45.11 | ZogG_w | anyone willing to help me with qt ui? |
| 11:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_w: |
| 11:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
| 11:46.08 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 11:47.36 | ZogG_w | DocScrutinizer: i did |
| 11:47.58 | ZogG_w | ~nuke DocScrutinizer |
| 11:47.59 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 11:48.04 | corecode | .. |
| 11:48.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: A ⨠¬A == â¨, â A |
| 11:48.16 | alterego | I think he's asking for Qt coders to work on his UI DocScrutinizer |
| 11:48.27 | ZogG_w | alterego: \o/ |
| 11:48.45 | ZogG_w | those german people don't understand english =( |
| 11:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | duh, I thought he's asking for help right here and now |
| 11:49.06 | ZogG_w | all they know to try to conquer the world =) |
| 11:49.15 | corecode | fail there too |
| 11:49.46 | ZogG_w | DocScrutinizer i'm thinking to make some small app for maemo, but i wouldn't be able to make a thing in Qt, tried creator and i'm too stupid =( |
| 11:50.05 | ZogG_w | corecode: that's why i said "to try" |
| 11:50.13 | ZogG_w | but we do love DocScrutinizer =) |
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| 11:50.32 | ZogG_w | do we guys? com'on, don't upset him =\ |
| 11:50.38 | kerio | i hate him! |
| 11:50.41 | LjL | yeah don't upset me |
| 11:51.05 | ZogG_w | gives LjL a good big joint |
| 11:51.08 | SpeedEvil | People have made apps in python |
| 11:51.12 | LjL | chills |
| 11:51.18 | kerio | woot! python! |
| 11:51.29 | alterego | ZogG_w: what's your app idea? |
| 11:51.31 | RST38h | Well. Moo. |
| 11:51.35 | ZogG_w | SpeedEvil: i want to try to do it in C, but i wouldn't be able to do the Ui |
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| 11:51.43 | xkr47 | vala is nice :) |
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| 11:51.59 | ZogG_w | xkr47: brainfuck is nice lang too |
| 11:52.13 | xkr47 | in a very different sense |
| 11:52.15 | xkr47 | :) |
| 11:52.23 | ZogG_w | alterego: at the start just remote control for xmms2 |
| 11:52.35 | xkr47 | nice |
| 11:52.46 | alterego | Can't you use lirc for that? |
| 11:52.47 | ZogG_w | local/over local network |
| 11:52.49 | xkr47 | you run xmms2 on n900 or ? |
| 11:52.58 | ZogG_w | if i would be able than bluetooth and so on |
| 11:53.13 | ZogG_w | xkr47: no, but there is port to xmms2 by ruskie |
| 11:53.23 | alterego | Surely someone has an xmms plugin for lirc |
| 11:53.29 | ZogG_w | and there is abraca for maemo, not sure n8*0 or n900 |
| 11:53.39 | ruskie | iirc n8*0 |
| 11:53.48 | ruskie | xkr47, I run xmms2 on my n900 ;) |
| 11:53.50 | xkr47 | nice |
| 11:53.59 | ZogG_w | i run ruskie on my n900 |
| 11:54.03 | ruskie | though only cmd line client and daemon |
| 11:54.04 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:54.09 | LjL | i'm looking to buy an N810 (or N800, not yet 100% sure) as a present, would like feedback on how much of a terrible idea it is. unfortunately i don't know much about what the person wants, since i want it to be a surprise, but i chose the N810 because she said she fancied an ebook reader and also something like an ipod touch, and i thought the relatively big, transflective screen of the N810 could be a cheap compromise |
| 11:54.11 | xkr47 | in soviet russia, n900 runs ruskie |
| 11:54.13 | alterego | Or UPnP |
| 11:54.39 | lardman | LjL: Screen is too small for ebook reading imho |
| 11:54.43 | ruskie | of course the pkg is an older version... but still does the job.. |
| 11:54.47 | ZogG_w | LjL: than u should buy wimax edition |
| 11:55.01 | ruskie | ZogG_w, and I only packaged it... the porting was done long ago by others of what there was needed to do |
| 11:55.07 | LjL | lardman: i don't know, i use my phone as an ebook reader and it has a smaller screen... of course i guess it depends on the person a bit |
| 11:55.22 | ZogG_w | ruskie: you have opt and non-opt right? |
| 11:55.22 | lardman | indeed, too small for me then :) |
| 11:55.26 | ruskie | uses a 6" eink device for eboox reading... |
| 11:55.28 | ZogG_w | is your repo still up? |
| 11:55.30 | LjL | ZogG_w: i don't think there's going to be any wimax anytime soon here ;) also, never seen those on ebay |
| 11:55.32 | ruskie | ZogG_w, it's all opt now... |
| 11:55.41 | ruskie | since m5 is so sensitive to partitions and crap |
| 11:55.42 | LjL | anyway what about software? are there good ePub-compatible readers for a start? |
| 11:55.53 | LjL | wish i could emulate Maemo |
| 11:55.53 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I read lots of ebooks on my n900 |
| 11:55.55 | ruskie | ZogG_w, and yes it is... |
| 11:55.58 | ZogG_w | ljl i saw someone selling on tmo i think |
| 11:56.03 | lardman | We might see some WiMax in the UK as part of this drive for internet access for all |
| 11:56.15 | SpeedEvil | LjL: fbreader is on n810 I think |
| 11:56.22 | lardman | SpeedEvil: ouch, I can feel my eyes hurting already! |
| 11:56.33 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Works for me. |
| 11:56.40 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I have a kindle. I prefer the n900. |
| 11:56.40 | lardman | I know, to each his own |
| 11:56.46 | lardman | I have aTab, prefer the Tab |
| 11:56.53 | LjL | SpeedEvil: oh that's good, i like FBReader on my Android phone |
| 11:57.05 | ruskie | hanlin v3 running openinkpot ;) |
| 11:57.14 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Simply as I can for example turn the brightness way down, and read in bed. Without needing to screw with the lights. |
| 11:57.28 | LjL | what about web browsing? last i heard, people said the N810 is quite a bit slow, does that impact web browsing a lot? |
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| 11:57.39 | lardman | Kindle is e-ink? |
| 11:57.41 | SpeedEvil | Nevrer used one. |
| 11:57.43 | SpeedEvil | lardman: yes |
| 11:57.46 | LjL | SpeedEvil: yeah that's the main plus of normal screens in my opinion, backlight is lovely |
| 11:57.47 | lardman | ok |
| 11:58.13 | lardman | how much would an N810 be now? It's old tech |
| 11:58.15 | SpeedEvil | It's lots more readable in sunlight of course. |
| 11:58.16 | ZogG_w | lardman: would you be here in several hours? i wanted to ask you something |
| 11:58.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: hold on, back to natural numbers |
| 11:58.28 | ZogG_w | as i need to go in several mins |
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| 11:58.31 | LjL | lardman, it depends. i've seen it got for between â¬70 to â¬160, and i still cannot explain why |
| 11:58.46 | lardman | ZogG_w: will be at work all day, but you might have some lag if I have to head to the lab to do anything |
| 11:58.53 | SpeedEvil | Ebay says 60-70 quid |
| 11:58.53 | lardman | ZogG_w: but ask away |
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| 11:59.12 | lardman | ok well that's cheap enough to accept the fact that it's old tecj |
| 11:59.16 | lardman | s/j/h |
| 11:59.19 | ZogG_w | lardman: ok, than i'll explaine later, just have a nice idea =) |
| 11:59.24 | lardman | cool |
| 11:59.29 | LjL | SpeedEvil: ebay.co.uk i guess you mean? i haven't seen it go for that low in a while now |
| 11:59.33 | lardman | otherwise drop me a mail |
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| 11:59.47 | ZogG_w | lardman gmail? |
| 12:00.04 | lardman | work is easier - s dot g dot pickering at bath dot ac dot uk |
| 12:00.08 | ruskie | has been considering getting a few n810 or n800 to put in various places @home |
| 12:00.49 | ruskie | always connected to power of course... |
| 12:00.57 | ruskie | for stuff like recipie books and music playing |
| 12:01.06 | lardman | mmm, home automation and monitoring :) |
| 12:01.08 | kerio | feels that DocScrutinizer doesn't really care about natural numbers :( |
| 12:01.19 | RobbieThe1st | I'd be looking at a SheevaPlug for that |
| 12:01.21 | LjL | right, music playing - is it good for that? |
| 12:01.30 | RobbieThe1st | Possibly cheaper too. |
| 12:01.36 | ruskie | RobbieThe1st, needs to be user friendly ;) |
| 12:01.50 | RobbieThe1st | meh |
| 12:01.56 | ruskie | lol |
| 12:02.56 | ruskie | for actual use I'd get an always innovating touchbook v2 or maybe a smartbook |
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| 12:03.07 | kerio | LjL: music playing? wait for the dreamplug |
| 12:03.13 | kerio | it has analog and optical out |
| 12:03.26 | LjL | kerio: no i mean as a portable player |
| 12:03.30 | kerio | haha |
| 12:03.54 | LjL | whether the software is decent |
| 12:04.08 | RobbieThe1st | Can't you install rockbox on it? |
| 12:04.21 | lardman | RobbieThe1st: nice to have a display though to see data, music, etc |
| 12:04.24 | RobbieThe1st | Official software's just about the same as the n900 IIRC. |
| 12:04.44 | ruskie | hmm dreamplug looks nice... |
| 12:04.58 | RobbieThe1st | lardman: I'd use my n900 for that - or something else |
| 12:05.07 | LjL | RobbieThe1st: not like i know what's available for the n900 either :P |
| 12:05.07 | lardman | yeah I guess so |
| 12:05.10 | ruskie | but yeah lack of a display is annoying... so would still need atleast one or two n810... as upnp controlers or something... |
| 12:05.13 | RobbieThe1st | Instant home automation system |
| 12:05.47 | ruskie | need to see if gmediarender can build on arm... |
| 12:06.41 | ruskie | hell could even be usable as a router/firewall with dual ports... |
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| 12:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: N810 wired audio is just OK. The player is awkward, compared to whatever standards you might be used to. There's canola though, which I personally hate for being too windowsy a GUI, but it might meet your particular preferences better than the stock player |
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| 12:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | (home automation) thought about exactly that for quite some time now. N810 even makes for a nice door bellknob plate, with video and control of door lock (as long as you're not threatened by vandalism) |
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| 12:23.10 | LjL | thanks, i see also Canola is becoming open source now, that's good |
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| 12:23.30 | lardman | now? |
| 12:23.37 | lardman | is it even used on anything anymore? |
| 12:24.20 | Shadikka | Oh yay. "Unable to establish network connection. Contact support." |
| 12:24.34 | LjL | lardman: oh wait whoops. the "news" is from 2008. so i guess it never happened ;( |
| 12:24.52 | lardman | it might be open source now, I've no idea |
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| 12:25.27 | LjL | there is one link to its supposed source code i have found, but it seems to be down |
| 12:26.53 | LjL | Source tree @ code.openbossa.org is unavailable (as of 27-Nov-2010) from http://wiki.maemo.org/Canola |
| 12:26.59 | Venemo_N900 | hi |
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| 12:27.19 | xkr47 | hui |
| 12:27.21 | xkr47 | hi |
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| 12:30.31 | Shadikka | Any good suggestions on why my N900 asks for the PIN code, never accepts it nor locks the SIM card after three incorrect attempts and later on just says "Unable to establish network connection. Contact support." while booting. |
| 12:30.56 | Shadikka | The ironic part is that it just got fixed (USB connector broke) |
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| 12:32.10 | Venemo_N900 | Shadikka: does the sim card work correctly in another phone? |
| 12:32.23 | Shadikka | It does. And another SIM card doesn't work in the N900 either. |
| 12:32.30 | SpeedEvil | I'd firs try flashing. |
| 12:32.32 | Titogelo | does anyone know anything about meego and velneo? |
| 12:32.36 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 12:32.36 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:32.54 | Shadikka | I tried reinstalling the software with NSU, next up is probably manual flashing, yeah. |
| 12:33.21 | alterego | Titogelo: you'd do better asking on #meego |
| 12:33.47 | Venemo_N900 | Shadikka: try reflash, if it doesn't work return it to the repair rentre |
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| 12:34.00 | Shadikka | yeah, they're so gonna love me. |
| 12:34.06 | Shadikka | "Ohai, I'm back, you broke mah phone ;<" |
| 12:34.07 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: what is the command to install something to the madde sysroot? |
| 12:35.02 | alterego | Venemo_N900: mad-admin xdpkg -i |
| 12:35.07 | Venemo_N900 | Shadikka: the correct phrase is "hey, repair your sh*t already" |
| 12:35.15 | Titogelo | ok thanks |
| 12:35.31 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: thanks. I tried with mad dpkg, but it didn't work |
| 12:36.41 | Shadikka | Hmm, is there something I could try to grep/search for in dmesg concerning the SIM? |
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| 12:42.22 | Venemo_N900 | Shadikka: try asking DocScrutinizer51, he is an expert |
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| 12:43.13 | Shadikka | I've noticed that. :) Quickly browsed through the dmesg and there seems to be nothing out of ordinary. i2c_omap controller timed out, but with some googling it seems to be normal. |
| 12:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | Shadikka: grep cmt |
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| 12:45.22 | Shadikka | "[ 6.738739] CMT speech driver v0.2.0" is the only thing found. |
| 12:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | looks ok |
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| 12:45.44 | Shadikka | oh well, guess I'll break for lunch and then try reflashing |
| 12:46.11 | Shadikka | Thanks so far. :) |
| 12:46.16 | woki | why do i get this? "Could not find mkspecs for your QMAKESPEC(linux-g++-maemo5)"?? i'm new to meamo |
| 12:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | you could use pnatd to query for a few SIM related operations. Sorry can't quote the related AT cmds off top of my head |
| 12:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | AT+CFUN=? might be some |
| 12:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | or AT+CFUN? |
| 12:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | at+cfun? |
| 12:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | +CFUN: 1 |
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| 12:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | Shadikka: ask SpeedEvil |
| 12:55.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm AFK |
| 12:57.02 | lardman | is an idiot |
| 12:57.26 | lardman | incremementing the wrong iterator in a for loop |
| 12:57.29 | lardman | doh! |
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| 13:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | Shadikka: 1) reflash 2) clean contacts of SIM and SIM holder 3) delete all SMS and contacts on SIM, using another phone (or SIM reader) 4) *carefully* bend the SIM holder contacts a little bit outwards/up, so they give higher pressure to the SIM's contact pads |
| 13:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | Shadikka: (for cleaning contacts a rubber eraser with sand (the blue end :-D) is quite useful) |
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| 13:06.23 | LjL-AndChat | What about games on the N810? I understand there is no graphical acceleration (at all?), but still are there some little arcade games or at least good "non-graphical" games, puzzles and the like? |
| 13:07.00 | achipa | depends on your numerical interpretation of the word "some" |
| 13:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | numptyphysics FTW |
| 13:08.17 | Venemo_N900 | LjL-AndChat: yes, there are some |
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| 13:09.38 | chem|st | device recieved, not even an totaly iced city held me back from it... |
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| 13:10.04 | Venemo_N900 | LjL-AndChat: you may get me to compile my Puzzle Master game for the N810 |
| 13:10.04 | lardman | hmm, impressive, even without moving to CUDA C code is 75/4.13 times faster than MATLAB |
| 13:10.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: \o/ |
| 13:10.26 | Venemo_N900 | congrats chem|st |
| 13:10.34 | chem|st | yeah, took them a full month... |
| 13:10.37 | Venemo_N900 | lardman: yeah, matlab is slow |
| 13:10.50 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: what was the problem? |
| 13:11.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: you bought some weat ber and coke while you out? :-D |
| 13:11.13 | lardman | Venemo_N900: never used to be quite that slow afaicr |
| 13:11.52 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 13:12.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: you bought some weat beer and coke while you were out? :-D |
| 13:12.49 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: never and -I keep my friend on distance as he was ordering some bananas-wheat-beer... |
| 13:13.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeeeeek |
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| 13:14.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: what's been the bill? |
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| 13:14.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | waranty? |
| 13:16.25 | Venemo_N900 | hm. |
| 13:16.46 | Venemo_N900 | has just received his first ever donation for FOSS |
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| 13:20.52 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: Congratulations! |
| 13:21.06 | Venemo_N900 | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 13:21.16 | SpeedEvil | (it wasn't me) |
| 13:21.46 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're really, really not the person I thought you were, and your definition of OSS software is really, really strange. |
| 13:22.13 | kerio | ? |
| 13:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 13:23.49 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: ummm |
| 13:23.53 | Venemo_N900 | lol |
| 13:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | I guess SpeedEvil meant as long as you're not the guy in tesco supermarket that sold him those soft bananas... |
| 13:24.08 | Venemo_N900 | hehehe |
| 13:24.19 | Venemo_N900 | no, that wasn't me |
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| 13:25.20 | Venemo_N900 | seems that Nicolai pushed the "Donate" button in Sticky Notes. shame he isn't on irc, otherwise I'd thank him |
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| 13:34.09 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: insurance payed 220eur |
| 13:35.18 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: guess I am out of warranty now... |
| 13:35.44 | chem|st | so who wants to pay 150eur for a used-beered device? |
| 13:36.21 | Shadikka | I first read that as "user-beered". |
| 13:36.52 | chem|st | afaik fully functional, the testing shop said the battery is malfunctioning but ok that is a consumable anyways |
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| 13:37.55 | maybeHere | huh |
| 13:37.56 | maybeHere | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/03/visualized-nokia-randd-spending-almost-3-times-its-peers/ |
| 13:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: disassemble, and sell case, LCD, touchpannel etc separately |
| 13:39.22 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: the idea was to sell the new one's display as "new-bulk" as the current is just fine |
| 13:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | Shadikka: you seen backscroll? I posted some suggestions for you |
| 13:39.49 | chem|st | that alone should give me 160eur |
| 13:40.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not even dare to disassemble the new one. better sell the old one in parts |
| 13:40.57 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: so you have 2 of 'em now? |
| 13:41.09 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: lucky you |
| 13:41.21 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: another idea would be to buy an n8 cam and test if it is working with the used one and sell the upgrade |
| 13:41.36 | chem|st | Venemo_N900: no I got one beered and no new yet |
| 13:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | won't fly |
| 13:41.49 | chem|st | I was || this close to just order a new one |
| 13:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | err, so what's it you got to sell now? |
| 13:42.19 | Shadikka | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, thank you :) |
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| 13:42.25 | Shadikka | just downloading the fw image |
| 13:42.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: the used |
| 13:42.43 | chem|st | shipping time is 24h for a new one afair |
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| 13:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 13:43.03 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: so if the old works, why buy a new one? |
| 13:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | so the beered one got repaired and now you're considering to get a new one when you manage to sell the old one? |
| 13:43.47 | chem|st | hanging "E" and selling it while it is still working makes more sense to me |
| 13:44.01 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: no repairs but yes |
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| 13:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | the "E" is hanging? |
| 13:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | oh well |
| 13:44.39 | chem|st | atm I am a bit short so no 160eur |
| 13:44.45 | Venemo_N900 | what is "E"? |
| 13:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | a key? |
| 13:45.10 | chem|st | not exactly hanging it is more like no haptics left, I cannot tell from the keyboard wether I pressed or not |
| 13:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 13:45.24 | chem|st | so sometimes I press twice |
| 13:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | sell the whole device for 160EUR |
| 13:45.33 | chem|st | but that is a 30eur fix |
| 13:45.44 | SpeedEvil | remove, and try cleaning the vibraror |
| 13:45.51 | chem|st | new domesheet... |
| 13:45.53 | SpeedEvil | or the contacts |
| 13:45.54 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:46.07 | SpeedEvil | Or remove, wash, replace |
| 13:46.07 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: the device is fully functional |
| 13:46.10 | SpeedEvil | dunno how that'd work |
| 13:46.17 | SpeedEvil | it's likely to die further |
| 13:46.24 | SpeedEvil | if you have not removed the beer |
| 13:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | he did afaik |
| 13:46.43 | chem|st | yes |
| 13:46.51 | DocScrutinizer | sell |
| 13:47.00 | chem|st | it does not smell anymore and I cleaned the buttons to work again |
| 13:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | 160 seems just fair |
| 13:47.11 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: 4 me too |
| 13:47.30 | chem|st | so I will ask my sister if she wants it for 155... |
| 13:47.52 | chem|st | if not I will think of keeping or rebuy |
| 13:47.59 | chem|st | -ing |
| 13:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, it's a perfect developer device still |
| 13:48.30 | chem|st | sure it is |
| 13:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | I hardly ever touch the kbd of t900 |
| 13:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | just ssh |
| 13:49.19 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer51: except when you IRC from the device? |
| 13:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | so yeah, if I had no t900 for that, and had 160, I'd consider... |
| 13:49.36 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/03/visualized-nokia-randd-spending-almost-3-times-its-peers/ |
| 13:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: that's IroN900 |
| 13:49.44 | RST38h | *Where* does it all go??? |
| 13:49.53 | chem|st | Venemo_N900: even then it is ssh to the device... irssi is your friend... |
| 13:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | t900 never joins IRC |
| 13:50.32 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: wut? I thought DocScrutinizer51 was from the n900 |
| 13:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | it's from IroN900, yes |
| 13:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | from my daily phone |
| 13:51.02 | Venemo_N900 | oh |
| 13:51.13 | Venemo_N900 | so you have 2 n900s? |
| 13:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | t900 though si sittng here, with ssh open |
| 13:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:51.31 | Venemo_N900 | one for dev and one for daily use? nice |
| 13:51.34 | sandst1 | RST38h: it goes to a lot of places. Nokia has around 20% of the patents in H.264 |
| 13:52.02 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: why do you call the other one t900? |
| 13:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: frequently messing around with hostmode kernels and bme, and running days long of endurance tests makes that a requirement |
| 13:52.23 | chem|st | Venemo_N900: it kind of freaked me out to devel on my daily device... but well I got only one |
| 13:52.25 | sandst1 | and that's a result of the R%D |
| 13:52.30 | chem|st | and "hello" bootloop |
| 13:52.53 | RST38h | sandst: who has the remaining 80% and what is he spending? =) |
| 13:52.53 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: yeah I develop on my daily one too (got only one) |
| 13:53.11 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: although I don't do such serious stuff as DocScrutinizer |
| 13:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: I was looking for a short name with 900 in it. Maybe I've seen terminator the evening before |
| 13:53.26 | chem|st | Venemo_N900: kernel patch and BOOOHOOO |
| 13:53.55 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
| 13:54.40 | chem|st | mine is battlestar cassiopeia to fit in my usual namesystem |
| 13:55.34 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 13:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | following this convention they should be called voyager and huygens |
| 13:56.42 | chem|st | galaxies... and the mobile devices fit the colonial nameconvention for battlestars as skypictures |
| 13:56.52 | sandst1 | RST38h: no idea, just an example of what they do with the R&D money. that's another question that where does it ALL go :) |
| 13:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | laptop os halley |
| 13:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | is* |
| 13:57.30 | chem|st | andromeda |
| 13:57.44 | DocScrutinizer | that box died 2 years ago :-P |
| 13:57.50 | chem|st | ;) |
| 13:58.11 | chem|st | the stationary devices are ships in terms of boats |
| 13:58.38 | chem|st | tortuga is the router, maryjane is the former server and gwendoline is my desktop |
| 13:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | lagrange (actually should be lagrange-1) for colocated box |
| 13:59.12 | chem|st | hehe |
| 13:59.18 | chem|st | it is always fun |
| 14:01.02 | chem|st | friend of mine has fit in his home nameconvention to the company by purpose as the conventions met at one point (cannot remember if it was startrek to galaxies or something) |
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| 14:04.29 | Venemo_N900 | sandst1: I think the entire Maemo development went from the R&D budget |
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| 14:05.53 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: yeah, quite possible. in that case it's R&D money well spent :) |
| 14:06.48 | Venemo_N900 | sandst1: I don't know this for a fact, but IMO it's likely the case, considering that these devices were never meant for the mainstream |
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| 14:09.43 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: yeah |
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| 14:24.05 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Hardware-Upgrade-fuer-Openmoko-Smartphones-geplant-1182783.html .. guess you already know? :) |
| 14:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: sure Iknow about gta04 - I guess that'S what it is about - but I've not noticed heise news about it yet |
| 14:25.40 | Venemo_N900 | cehteh: sounds nice |
| 14:25.56 | LjL | is there anywhere i can see an acceptably comprehensive list of maemo 2008 games without going through the whole repository and seeing what's a game? |
| 14:26.01 | cehteh | i wonder how much ram and cpu freq that has |
| 14:26.28 | Venemo_N900 | cehteh, DocScrutinizer: how does such a device look from the exterior? |
| 14:26.41 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: just see the user/games section in the repo |
| 14:26.53 | cehteh | Venemo_N900: thats only a new mainboard you need the old neo gta02 as device |
| 14:26.59 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: also I liked the preinstalled tetris app |
| 14:27.47 | LjL | Venemo_N900: erm how do i browse by section (i don't have a N810 yet, right now i'm looking at http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php) |
| 14:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, I think it's abit weird. Recycle speakers, case, LCD, antenna, battery of GTA02 - exactly the parts that are impossible to get on free market and actually I think are really really sub-par, regarding design etc |
| 14:28.05 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: I don't know, sorry |
| 14:28.39 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: why're you getting N810? |
| 14:29.21 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: you're better off with an N900 |
| 14:29.39 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: or if you want just a tablet, there are those from Archos |
| 14:30.04 | LjL | Venemo_N900: as a relatively cheap birthday present for my sister (and to tinker with a little before her birthday comes :P) - she expressed interest for ebooks on the one hand and things like ipod touch's on the other, so i thought an N810 might be a sorta reasonable choice. N900 is expensive... |
| 14:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | If Nikolaus of Goldeico had asked me, I had suggested to use case, LCD, antenna, and battery, of an arbitrary Nokia phone, as you can get those as spare parts easily in ~30 shops of every mid sized town |
| 14:30.54 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: what about an Archos 5 or Archos 43? |
| 14:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | while for the GTA04 you need to kill 200+EUR worth of hardware to recycle the 50EUR screen and the 5EUR case and shit |
| 14:31.01 | LjL | oh, there is a games list at http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ |
| 14:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | just to get another shower radio appeal phone |
| 14:31.34 | LjL | Venemo_N900: well i haven't looked at those with very much attention, but last time i looked on ebay (yeah of course i'm buying the N810 used) i think they were quite expensive, as they are still quite new i think |
| 14:32.27 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: you can get a used archos 5 for ~150â¬, and it's better than the N810. |
| 14:32.34 | AD-N770 | I vote N810, I'm still using it to read ebooks |
| 14:32.59 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: I'm not familiar with N810 prices. if they're that low, then go for it |
| 14:33.04 | Venemo_N900 | N810 is a fun device :) |
| 14:33.42 | LjL | Venemo_N900: well, N810 prices are weird. the ones available in my country go from â¬70 to â¬160 (and i have no idea why that much difference), while i saw the ones for UK market are as low as £50. but then again i can't buy those, so. |
| 14:33.55 | LjL | Venemo_N900: now i was trying to get one for about â¬100 |
| 14:34.18 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: which country? |
| 14:34.38 | LjL | italy |
| 14:34.56 | LjL | mind, i don't mean i'm only buying ones sold from italy |
| 14:35.09 | LjL | i'm perfectly willing to buy from abroad, but the cheap ones aren't shipping abroad :P |
| 14:35.59 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: usually you can ask the seller to ship to you. |
| 14:37.01 | LjL | that's a good point, i should try asking some of them. so far, i had only looked at ebay.it, without really considering other countries' sites - didn't realize they could be this much cheaper |
| 14:37.49 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: I usually look at ebay.de when looking for such stuff - a lot cheaper than prices in my country (Hungary) |
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| 14:39.52 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: anyway, if I was looking for a tablet right now, I'd go for either a new archos 43 for â¬200 or a used archos 5 for â¬100-150. |
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| 14:40.46 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: of course, an N810 below â¬100 could also be a good deal |
| 14:40.54 | LjL | i'm looking them up a little now (and the prices on ebay do seem reasonably low, although which one is the "Archos 5"? Wikipedia says it could be two things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_5 ) |
| 14:41.18 | LjL | i do have to look them up quickly as the N810 auction i'm trying to get now is ending in 30 minutes or so :\ (although i'll probably lose it) |
| 14:41.55 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: I referred to the "archos 5 internet tablet" (the newer) |
| 14:42.36 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: http://shop.ebay.de/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A4669&rt=nc&_nkw=nokia+N810&_dmpt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=3&_sc=1 |
| 14:44.15 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_5it/index.html?country=hu&lang=en |
| 14:44.47 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: don't confuse this with the older "internet media tablet", that one is crap |
| 14:44.59 | LjL | Venemo_N900: the archos seems a bit big, but perhaps it's just an impression, the specs are quite impressive |
| 14:45.15 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: it's 5" |
| 14:47.46 | LjL | Venemo_N900: this completed listing for instance seems pretty cheap... http://cgi.ebay.it/ARCHOS-5-Internet-Table-16-Gb-/290525844886?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_23&hash=item43a4b09596#ht_2639wt_1141 |
| 14:48.04 | LjL | damn now i don't know what to do :P |
| 14:48.37 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: if you can get an N810 below â¬100 and you don't mind it being unsupported, then go for it |
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| 14:49.22 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: if you want higher spec hw, then go for archos 5 |
| 14:49.45 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: also important difference that N810 has a hw keyboard |
| 14:49.50 | LjL | i do have this fear the N810 hardware is going to be too slow for things like web browsing |
| 14:49.53 | LjL | true |
| 14:50.03 | LjL | but then Android has a number of software input methods available |
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| 14:50.12 | LjL | and with a 5" screen they shouldn't be too annoying to use |
| 14:50.24 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: yeah, and smoku ported MeeGo to archos 5 too :) |
| 14:50.49 | LjL | Venemo_N900: to go very offtopic for this channel - how rootable is the archos? |
| 14:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | a new N810 for <100⬠*is* a good deal |
| 14:51.51 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: well ask someone who actually has one. I heard it's good |
| 14:52.26 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: it can run angstrom and meego too besides android |
| 14:53.02 | LjL | well i'd probably prefer to keep Android on it, but you have a point in that if you can flash other OS's, then obviously you should be able to root its Android too.. |
| 14:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | lilfor an occasional web browsing N810 is just fine. Even music from youtube works fine |
| 14:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: ^^^ |
| 14:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | the browser of diablo is a bit clumsy to operate, comparing it to microb of fremantle, but it's absolutely usable |
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| 14:57.39 | LjL | is fennec available btw? i guess not |
| 14:57.56 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: it is. |
| 14:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | (clumsy like in no kinetic scrolling, no touch zoom just VOL+/-, sometimes on zoom 120% you get rendering errors at screen borders so you have to scroll up and down to repaint page) |
| 14:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | still I used it a lot to play youtube music and local mp3 to my home stereo |
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| 15:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | or as an absolutely smart little quite good sounding internet radio |
| 15:00.38 | sandst1 | They're gone. http://twitter.com/ipv4countdown |
| 15:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 15:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | we decided to recycle those of Egypt :-P |
| 15:02.08 | Venemo_N900 | lol DocScrutinizer :P |
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| 15:02.42 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: the problem with N810's microb is that it doesn't support new web standards well. |
| 15:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | sisn't that the problem of all browsers - and of course of the new webstandards first of all? |
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| 15:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | tbh it's the problem of those friggin gashead "web programmers" |
| 15:04.44 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: hehe |
| 15:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | like "WTF?! why does this page need FLASH for the idiotic menu??" |
| 15:04.59 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: it had some problems with jquery too. |
| 15:05.36 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I'm talking about css3 and jquery here, not flash |
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| 15:05.59 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: N810 microb had problems with css3 last time I checked :( |
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| 15:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I've not noticed visiting any page using the first, and actually never heard of the second |
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| 15:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | why exactly would I want and/or need those? |
| 15:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | please don't tell me "to visit homepage of fartapp" |
| 15:09.40 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: well css3 fixes some idiotic limitations of css's previous versions |
| 15:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | my mantra still is like "if you can't use the site with lynx, then it's not worth visiting it" |
| 15:10.09 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 15:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | so go ahead web-""programmers", use flash and javascript and html5 and whatnot, as long as the site stays usable by lynx I have no objections. If not - FSCKOFF learn yer job!! |
| 15:12.43 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 15:13.07 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I do some occasional web dev for acquitances |
| 15:14.30 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: it's hard to keep a site looking good in all browsers |
| 15:14.55 | LjL | Venemo_N900, DocScrutinizer: i bought the N810 for â¬87, seems goodish... |
| 15:15.09 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: that's good price for it |
| 15:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | I give a shit about looking good. I prefer it being AVAILABLE to *all* users, rather than _looking good_ to some of them |
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| 15:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: \o/ |
| 15:15.32 | LjL | Venemo_N900: consider also it comes with some nice accessories. http://cgi.ebay.it/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-computer-/180617881450 |
| 15:15.59 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: yes, that is why I prefer to use "graceful degradation" where possible |
| 15:16.41 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I personally agree with you, but you'd be surprised how many users care about eyecandy. |
| 15:17.01 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: if you want, I can port puzzle master to the N810 :P |
| 15:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | I *know*, and I also know how tedious it may be to teach them |
| 15:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | btw this problem absolutely isn't lmited to webpage design |
| 15:18.24 | LjL | Venemo_N900: it does sound like a game my sister could like :) |
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| 15:18.36 | Venemo_N900 | yeah DocScrutinizer |
| 15:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | you face it with every second app that thinks it's ok as long as the 3GHz machine does run goodish when only no other process is running concurrently |
| 15:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | ..and of course make that 9 out of ten, for games |
| 15:20.04 | Venemo_N900 | LjL: it's a jigsaw puzzle which you can play with your own pics too :) |
| 15:20.14 | LjL | Venemo_N900: yep i googled it earlier |
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| 15:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah it's lovely |
| 15:21.11 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: yeah. there are some that care about older hw though. and some that care about working on Linux too (even if under wine) |
| 15:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | simple, lean, nice, fast, and still fun |
| 15:22.04 | Venemo_N900 | nah, my battery is low so I'll quit now. have a nice day guys :) |
| 15:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: I think I gave you thumb-up for testing? |
| 15:22.21 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: it isn't in testing yet :( |
| 15:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: cya |
| 15:22.35 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: but I'll tell you when it gets there :) |
| 15:22.35 | Venemo_N900 | bb |
| 15:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 15:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
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| 15:23.36 | Jartza | The number of allocatable IPv4s just dropped to zero. \o/ |
| 15:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, see backscroll |
| 15:24.16 | Jartza | too much noise in bs |
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| 15:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | I grabbed a million from Egypt, for my daily requirements |
| 15:24.50 | MrBawb | I hope everyone has IPv6 plans :) |
| 15:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | seems they don't need it anymore |
| 15:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I got a fixed IPv4 |
| 15:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | and my provider seems has a pool of some million, so they won't run short in near future |
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| 15:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | I just wonder how to update the router-modem FW to work with IPv6 evetually |
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| 15:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | pokes ZyXEL |
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| 15:27.41 | deno | hi there |
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| 15:29.16 | alterego | Hrm, angle meter doesn't seem to work for me. |
| 15:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | reboot |
| 15:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | lis302 seems to lockup |
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| 15:31.05 | alterego | Yeah, not the first time this has happened. |
| 15:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | or what is anglemeter? |
| 15:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | you might try stop mce, modprobe -r lis302dl, start mce |
| 15:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | you even might try stop mce, modprobe -r lis302dl, <send I2Cset reset cmd to lis302>; start mce |
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| 15:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | be careful with i2cset and lis302, some registers are marked "reserved, do not write, may cause hardware failure" |
| 15:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | OWTTE |
| 15:35.31 | SpeedEvil | Then there are the awesome registers that only nokia knows about off the end of the published register map. |
| 15:38.27 | kerio | AND YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH THE TWO... MWAHAHAHAHA |
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| 15:40.58 | ZogG | lardman, ping |
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| 15:55.09 | lardman|home | ZogG: pong |
| 15:55.43 | ZogG_laptop | lardman|home, hey =) |
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| 15:56.32 | lardman|home | hi |
| 16:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that's been bq24150. Or have they same secret registers in mce and for lis302 as wel now? |
| 16:03.18 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 16:08.56 | makulkar | I'm getting issues while pushing changes to origin |
| 16:08.56 | makulkar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.56 | makulkar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.57 | ZogG_laptop | thp, ping |
| 16:26.21 | thp | ZogG_laptop: pong |
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| 16:44.56 | b-man | i think i'm starting to push the integrity of this ipod's A4 - compiling llvm while browsing iFile while installing python xD |
| 16:45.35 | esaym153 | anyone know how to increase the internal mic volume on the n810? |
| 16:45.36 | b-man | ffs wron channel :P |
| 16:45.42 | b-man | *wrong |
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| 16:46.24 | SpeedEvil | b-man: Only if you're not compiling maemo. |
| 16:46.32 | thp | ZogG_laptop: yep |
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| 16:47.16 | b-man | SpeedEvil: that would be evil xD |
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| 16:49.34 | b-man | MohammadAG said he'd kill me if i put meego on this thing :) |
| 16:50.16 | VladNistor | talking about meego, has anyone been able to tripple-boot maemo-meego-nitdroid? |
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| 16:57.04 | ZogG_laptop | VladNistor, sounds like threesome |
| 16:57.13 | ZogG_laptop | ~ping |
| 16:57.13 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:57.20 | VladNistor | i like threesomes :P |
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| 16:57.35 | ZogG_laptop | VladNistor, 2 dudes and you? =) |
| 16:57.51 | VladNistor | ZoG_laptop, ahahhahah |
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| 16:58.22 | SpeedEvil | maemo-meego-nitdroid-shr |
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| 16:58.55 | ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil, it's cold orgy man =) |
| 17:00.07 | SpeedEvil | Umm. Did mer ever get close to booting? |
| 17:00.17 | b-man | hmm |
| 17:00.18 | SpeedEvil | forgets. |
| 17:00.45 | VladNistor | SpeedEvil, ist there a particular order you need to go at this? |
| 17:01.08 | VladNistor | and is it really so that meego dual-booting only works with stock kernel? |
| 17:01.16 | b-man | is the NITDroid project still insistent to sticking with multiboot? :P |
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| 17:08.20 | N900addikt | So what will elop say on feb 11....any scoop here? |
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| 17:09.01 | SpeedEvil | feb 11? |
| 17:09.08 | N900addikt | Whens his speech? |
| 17:09.13 | SpeedEvil | I'm taking the bin out to the end of the road so it can be picked up. |
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| 17:10.12 | N900addikt | Cmon theres some nokia insider dudes here speak man i am listening whats elop got for us? |
| 17:11.43 | andre__ | ask elop. |
| 17:12.33 | N900addikt | Nobody know what he gonna do? |
| 17:13.14 | andre__ | no. |
| 17:13.22 | ShadowJK | So, if there were anyone here with inside information, you'd assume they got to where they are by being smart. Yet you think they'd be stupid enough to leak classified information in a public channel? |
| 17:14.04 | andre__ | sure, we all love to get fired! |
| 17:14.14 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 17:14.17 | N900addikt | im not sayin that but maybe just a hint or some speculation no? |
| 17:14.36 | andre__ | N900addikt, for speculations there's enough on the interwebs. go there. |
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| 17:14.51 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes, you can tell as much by what is not said, as what is. |
| 17:15.27 | ShadowJK | the stock markets yesterday sure did anticipate something cool |
| 17:15.29 | SpeedEvil | andre__: Do you deny that Nokia is in fact buying licences to Ios, so they can install it on all their phones? |
| 17:15.30 | N900addikt | Cmon share some shit man why all this secrets |
| 17:15.40 | ShadowJK | rofl |
| 17:16.24 | lardman|home | ah bollocks, this new N9 is crap, bloody Atom kills the battery in no time flat |
| 17:16.25 | N900addikt | Maemo is dead and symbian same old stale shit i want some exciting fones whats wrong with that? |
| 17:16.38 | lardman|home | oops, wrong channel |
| 17:16.40 | andre__ | SpeedEvil: now if I had the slightest idea what Ios is I could at least come up with something :-P |
| 17:16.50 | ShadowJK | andre__, iphone os :P |
| 17:17.00 | andre__ | heh. I thought of Greek goddesses |
| 17:17.11 | lcuk | lol lardman|home |
| 17:17.13 | SpeedEvil | N900addikt: #meego is where all the cool people of the future hang out. |
| 17:17.15 | lardman|home | :) |
| 17:17.37 | N900addikt | But mego aint ready yet |
| 17:17.37 | andre__ | I really hate how the nuclear processor of my N3000 prototype sometimes glows at night so I cannot sleep. |
| 17:17.38 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, N900addikt/MeegoBoy has been kicked out of there already I think :P |
| 17:18.05 | N900addikt | No me |
| 17:18.20 | andre__ | N900addikt: if you want exciting phones, found a company and build them. |
| 17:18.25 | N900addikt | I never been kicked here never man |
| 17:19.06 | SpeedEvil | A phone unfortunately costs a large slice of a million or several to develop - just the hardware side. |
| 17:19.50 | N900addikt | But nokia has resources no? Why they have nothing in the top end market? |
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| 17:20.42 | andre__ | N900addikt: have you asked Elop? He could tell you maybe |
| 17:20.53 | SpeedEvil | There is one very simple, and rather prosaic way to work out what happens on Feb 11. |
| 17:20.57 | SpeedEvil | I recommend it to you. |
| 17:21.37 | N900addikt | Whic is what? |
| 17:21.44 | SpeedEvil | Wait a week. |
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| 17:23.25 | slonopotamus | wtf is http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/diablo/free/source/k/kernel-diablo/ ? |
| 17:23.58 | andre__ | a kernel? |
| 17:24.12 | slonopotamus | ... 16kb? |
| 17:25.28 | N900addikt | I aint good at waitin for stuff you know what im sayin? |
| 17:26.06 | lardman|home | practise makes perfect |
| 17:26.39 | N900addikt | Lol...you boys cranky today |
| 17:26.42 | SpeedEvil | N900addikt: I suggest ketamine then. |
| 17:26.54 | andre__ | N900addikt: there's another easy workaround for that: Buy a timemachine, or a crystal ball. |
| 17:27.49 | lardman|home | N900addikt: nobody kniows, that's the issue |
| 17:27.56 | lardman|home | and I can't type |
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| 17:29.22 | lardman|home | has to vpn to work, bbl |
| 17:29.24 | N900addikt | Ok i understand |
| 17:29.57 | N900addikt | I have another question how do i start writing cool apps and stuff on maemo or mego or is maemo dead now? |
| 17:30.52 | Jartza | N900addikt: learn qt |
| 17:30.52 | andre__ | N900addikt: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ or http://meego.com/developers |
| 17:31.23 | slonopotamus | ~curse binary packaging |
| 17:31.23 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, binary packaging ! |
| 17:32.40 | N900addikt | That link is a lotta stuff where do i go first? Any quick solutions? If i write in maemo will my app work in mego in case new fones come out? |
| 17:33.39 | N900addikt | How i learn meamo? |
| 17:33.46 | andre__ | N900addikt, if you don't want to read anything you will not learn anything. |
| 17:33.49 | andre__ | problem solved? :) |
| 17:34.31 | N900addikt | I wanna read but i thought maemo was easier than the rest of em no? |
| 17:36.30 | N900addikt | Skype is bad on n900 no? Small screen grainy video sucks man |
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| 17:37.13 | lcuk | N900addikt, what other handhelds do you run Skype on currently? |
| 17:37.25 | N900addikt | Can i f**k around with skype app to make video larger...is this app open source |
| 17:37.57 | slonopotamus | maemo is dead, forget about it. |
| 17:38.07 | N900addikt | Lcuk: i have n900 and E90 commi |
| 17:38.26 | N900addikt | I kno |
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| 17:39.30 | N900addikt | I bought n900 coz i thought fone had promise but nokia forgot about it and no new apps anyways suck man |
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| 17:43.11 | Jartza | N900addikt: the quick solution: learn Qt |
| 17:44.47 | lcuk | N900addikt, a correctly written app should work happily on maemo and meego and depending on apis used also symbian :) |
| 17:46.19 | ShadowJK | it's not like nokia ever wrote many apps to begin with... |
| 17:48.09 | RST38h | In reality, it will probably only work with #ifdefs... |
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| 17:48.36 | ShadowJK | thp wrote a blog article on it iirc :P |
| 17:48.41 | lcuk | RST38h, use qt to write it for your platform, #ifdefless then accept patches down the line :) |
| 17:48.52 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Yes, I saw it |
| 17:49.06 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Looks like Avkon is still alive and well, qt or not qt. |
| 17:49.23 | RST38h | lcuk <-- a dreamer |
| 17:49.27 | thp | RST38h: ShadowJK: it should get better with QML and Qt Quick Components, hopefully |
| 17:49.46 | lcuk | RST38h, always :) |
| 17:49.48 | thp | at least in qt creator 2.1 the screen rotation code (still ugly avkon stuff) is at least auto-generated |
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| 17:50.29 | RST38h | Auto-generation is PITA |
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| 17:51.05 | lcuk | so RST38h - how do you do crossplatform code without ifdefs |
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| 17:51.33 | slonopotamus | RST38h: lex/yacc users think you're crazy |
| 17:52.08 | ShadowJK | lcuk, he was describing lazy approach :P |
| 17:52.55 | RST38h | slono: are there any lex/yacc users left? |
| 17:53.16 | RST38h | lcuk: I completely abstract the platform, then program using the abstraction layer |
| 17:53.24 | RST38h | lcuk: +POSIX. |
| 17:53.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | throws a +q behind him, like a wedding flowers |
| 17:54.28 | slonopotamus | RST38h: sure. that's the only sane way to do parsing of anything more complex than CSV |
| 17:54.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | vme instructs chanserv to +o random users, to make this chan more funny |
| 17:55.09 | ZogG_laptop | when i build in qt creator where do i change build parametrs to add other libs config pkg? |
| 17:55.48 | RST38h | slono: except that lex/yacc is totally unsuitable for anything that does not read data straight from stdin |
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| 17:56.09 | slonopotamus | RST38h: lies |
| 17:56.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | throws another 20 crystal balls and 5 tons of tealeaves to random directions |
| 17:56.16 | ZogG_laptop | i'll just ban myself |
| 17:56.20 | ZogG_laptop | u can't do it |
| 17:57.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | mow for the c+p of a schwitters poem... |
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| 17:58.15 | slonopotamus | RST38h: after all, any compiler is an auto-generator :) |
| 17:58.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | gimme that magic pill to become super warthog and write even bewtter poems myself in 23s |
| 17:59.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, fingers frozen |
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| 18:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | yo dawg, no new aps sucks! tellya it sucks so bad |
| 18:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | OMG |
| 18:05.17 | ZogG_laptop | ok i'll repeat, how do i add any parametrs to gcc in qt creator to build an app? |
| 18:05.45 | ZogG_laptop | <DocScrutinizer> what is your nick on 4chan? |
| 18:05.56 | ZogG_laptop | Doc51-kun? |
| 18:06.41 | javispedro | shudders at the mention of 4chan |
| 18:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | would you like your kickban stirred, or sunny side up? |
| 18:07.50 | ZogG_laptop | what would you suggest? |
| 18:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | btw, you should know... I AM KNOWN BY MANY NAMES hrhrhrrrrhrr |
| 18:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | And meego boy made me feel rather kick-happy :-P |
| 18:09.17 | ZogG_laptop | you can kick me if ti would help you =) |
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| 18:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | btw WTF is an elop? can I eat that? Maybe smoke it to get high? |
| 18:10.59 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: I think it's what you do when you run off to get married. |
| 18:11.06 | ZogG_laptop | it is that guy who sould say something about n9, isn't he? |
| 18:11.41 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles, i think i saw u on TMO but never saw u talk here |
| 18:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop: on GAN900 more than this these days. |
| 18:12.05 | ZogG_laptop | btw texrat ditched TMO and switched to meego forums? |
| 18:12.13 | Jartza | DocScrutinizer: Elop is just one ARM more than Flop :) |
| 18:12.53 | ZogG_laptop | Jartza, than give me Blop |
| 18:13.08 | ZogG_laptop | 3 ARM's more than Flop |
| 18:13.27 | Jartza | :) |
| 18:13.39 | ZogG_laptop | so GAN900 is GeneralAntilles ? i was fooled all the time long? |
| 18:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, and I thought it's the name of the tea leaves meego boy was shouting at to answer and tell him the future |
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| 18:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | another cup of elop, Sor? |
| 18:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | Sir* |
| 18:14.15 | RST38h | heya javispedro |
| 18:14.21 | javispedro | hi RST38h |
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| 18:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | suggests public listening FZ Mytery Man |
| 18:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | damn, my fingers die |
| 18:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | Mystery Man |
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| 18:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | no elop for me |
| 18:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 18:17.39 | ZogG_laptop | RST38h, http://www.kakashka.org/index.php |
| 18:17.41 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 18:19.12 | RST38h | ZogG: http://urina-ru.narod.ru/ |
| 18:19.18 | RST38h | sighs |
| 18:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: GAN900 vs GeneralAntilles is the hidden test to tell apart the alert from the smart |
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| 18:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | BURP |
| 18:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | who claimed there's no more IPv4 addr now? |
| 18:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | seems my GSM provider ran out of addresses just 70min ago :-P |
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| 18:33.29 | ieatlint | heh, my provider got clever and switched their phones over to the 25.0.0.0/8 address range in 2008 |
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| 18:34.17 | ieatlint | and just use it as an internal range like 10.0.0.0/8.. |
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| 18:38.34 | kerio | 25? |
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| 18:39.54 | ieatlint | "whois 25.0.0.0" .. "descr: DINSA, Ministry of Defence" |
| 18:39.56 | ieatlint | uk |
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| 18:41.20 | ieatlint | they weren't using them anyway :P |
| 18:41.45 | ieatlint | or, at least, here the 25.0.0.0/8 range has no routes at all |
| 18:42.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's a fsckng lot of unused /16 |
| 18:42.58 | ArGGu^^ | Does anyone know that is there any problem with ovi store and GPLv2 apps? |
| 18:43.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | and /8 as well |
| 18:43.52 | ieatlint | yeah, but even recovering those ips would be a short-lived extension |
| 18:43.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | check out MIT |
| 18:44.04 | ArGGu^^ | I mean Can I put GPLv2 app to ovi store? |
| 18:44.21 | ieatlint | or apple... i doubt they're using their class that much |
| 18:44.39 | kerio | they should do an iVPN |
| 18:46.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: how's a VPN going to free IPs? |
| 18:46.25 | kerio | it won't |
| 18:46.31 | kerio | but apple has IPs |
| 18:46.53 | ieatlint | http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml ... just look at the list of class a companies... |
| 18:46.58 | ieatlint | ford motors? |
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| 18:47.12 | ieatlint | general electric.. |
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| 18:47.22 | kerio | who assigns IPv6s? |
| 18:47.35 | ieatlint | really doubting they use 16m+ addresses |
| 18:47.44 | ieatlint | uh, iana/regional i think |
| 18:47.54 | ieatlint | ARIN/APNIC/RIPE |
| 18:48.15 | Trewas | at least it is nice that 240.x.x.x - 255.x.x.x "future use" addresses were never needed for anything |
| 18:49.33 | ieatlint | even if the ip address space were all recovered, it'd all just delay the inevitable |
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| 18:50.42 | Trewas | that's true, not that ipv6 will become widely used anytime soon even now |
| 18:50.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, the end of the world, err wait, what? |
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| 18:52.05 | ieatlint | eh, i could see places like china making a successful push for it |
| 18:52.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess when IPs aren't free anymore, we'll see a flourishing market like we seen for URLs |
| 18:52.36 | ShadowJK | has like 8 IPs |
| 18:52.42 | ShadowJK | and I need them all, muahhahahahah |
| 18:53.08 | ieatlint | i have ipv6 on my n900 |
| 18:53.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | owns 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:53.13 | ieatlint | from my provider |
| 18:53.33 | ieatlint | owns 127.34.2.13 |
| 18:53.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | wow cool |
| 18:54.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | and always has ping times <5ms :-P |
| 18:54.50 | ieatlint | yeah, no matter where i am :P |
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| 18:56.53 | ieatlint | at some point i'll get off my ass and set up ipv6... my dsl provider offers free ipv6 tunnelling |
| 18:57.14 | ieatlint | can get a bunch of free public ips with it |
| 18:58.46 | E0x | nice |
| 19:00.53 | SpeedEvil | A few years back, my UK ISP was offering 8 IPs, if you just wrote to them, for free. |
| 19:01.05 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't, so only have one. :( |
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| 19:04.44 | GeneralAntilles | le sigh |
| 19:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | Knocked the phone into the sink. |
| 19:05.48 | ieatlint | :( |
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| 19:06.45 | GeneralAntilles | First device I've ever water damaged. |
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| 19:06.49 | GeneralAntilles | goes to buy cheap rice. |
| 19:07.04 | javispedro | THE N900 on the sink? |
| 19:08.09 | ieatlint | aww, the n900 was your first |
| 19:08.23 | kerio | i currently have 62.10.74.PROTECTED |
| 19:08.28 | kerio | but it's dynamic :( |
| 19:08.38 | kerio | freeeeeeeeeenodeeeeee |
| 19:09.09 | ieatlint | that's enough for me to localise which country and region you're in though |
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| 19:09.53 | b0unc3 | hello, someone can help with this : http://bit.ly/evCv1f ? |
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| 19:27.11 | vi_ | tremulous!! |
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| 19:28.43 | piggz | in the contact app, if i have various IM accounts, they each have their own group....i noticed in the merge contacts plugin, i can select the group 'Cellular' to only show normal contacts added to the phone...is it possible to show this group in the contacts app somehow, as it isnt shown as an option when selecting a group...ie, image adding a fb account with several hundred people |
| 19:29.21 | E0x | exclude some group ? |
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| 19:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | vi_: hell yes! |
| 19:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro: September proto is long dead. This is my Amazon device. |
| 19:34.40 | vi_ | whos gonna port it and earn the 50$ bounty??? |
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| 19:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | vi_: is 1.2 out yet? |
| 19:36.29 | vi_ | lol harharharhar |
| 19:37.00 | vi_ | i hear 1.2 is gonna come with a demo of duke nukem forever on floppy disk |
| 19:38.21 | vi_ | what is your trem tag? |
| 19:39.18 | GeneralAntilles | vi_: GeneralAntilles. |
| 19:39.26 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't played in at least a year, though. |
| 19:39.36 | GeneralAntilles | Don't know if you've ever heard of NULL. |
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| 19:41.49 | vi_ | i remember some chap named /dev/null |
| 19:42.01 | vi_ | but that was long ago on tbase |
| 19:43.31 | GeneralAntilles | Used to run on DretchStorm and MG |
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| 20:02.15 | blackthorne | Hi |
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| 20:07.17 | RST38h | Every year, more and more Americans are dying in deserts and wildernesses because they rely on their GPS units (and, to some degree, their cellphones) to always be accurate. |
| 20:08.04 | trx | we here in serbia cant die like that |
| 20:08.11 | trx | we can only afford maps :) |
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| 20:08.52 | RST38h | I believe RPGs are cheaper in Serbia. |
| 20:09.07 | trx | RPGs? |
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| 20:12.41 | wmarone | I believe RST38h's information on Serbia is out of date |
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| 20:21.58 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 20:24.17 | trx | yeah, some 20 years |
| 20:24.32 | trx | and even then, rpgs were not used.. |
| 20:24.40 | trx | or very little |
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| 20:25.57 | trx | anyways |
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| 20:26.40 | trx | does qt automaticaly convert mouse down + move to scrolling when QScrollArea? |
| 20:27.17 | trx | cant get it to work, i assign a widget and it just does nothing |
| 20:27.22 | trx | custom widget tho... |
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| 20:55.38 | col0ur | DocScrutinizer, stop being a fuck |
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| 20:56.21 | b-man | O_o |
| 20:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | nice to hear you try to stop being a fuck |
| 20:57.16 | b-man | that wasn't necessary... |
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| 20:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
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| 20:57.41 | Venemo | good evening guys |
| 20:57.57 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 20:58.30 | Venemo | is maemo.org down again? |
| 20:58.54 | b-man | DocScrutinizer: apologies for col0ur being an ass ;P |
| 20:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'm in a kick-happy mood anyway today, and /whois works |
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| 21:00.14 | b-man | DocScrutinizer: by all means, kick him - he can be an egomaniac at times ;) |
| 21:00.58 | N900addikt | Hey |
| 21:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'm getting pissed about offense and insult becoming a leisure pursuit here. |
| 21:01.29 | N900addikt | Whazz up? |
| 21:02.01 | N900addikt | Did i miss somethin intrestin? |
| 21:02.49 | N900addikt | Fellas? |
| 21:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just usual idiocy |
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| 21:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | but you somewhat seem have started it, some hours ago |
| 21:03.55 | Venemo | hey DocScrutinizer |
| 21:04.00 | N900addikt | I did? Sorry fellas. I had to leave |
| 21:04.30 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: you had some nice feature recommendations for puzzle-master |
| 21:04.36 | ShadowJK | yeah you missed the scoop on the future nokia battery. Half fuel cell, half Li-Ion. You fill it with ethanol (imagine filling a lighter), and it charges the Li-Ion battery. Lasts 20 times longer than regular battery |
| 21:04.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: could you re-post them for me? |
| 21:04.47 | ShadowJK | just made that up :D |
| 21:04.57 | N900addikt | What else is left for us forgotten disgruntled n900 owners, we come in and bitch and moan that our goddam given right man |
| 21:05.10 | Venemo | N900addikt: wut? |
| 21:05.32 | N900addikt | Thats our goddam right man |
| 21:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | N900addikt: and you earn a +q for it - go ahead |
| 21:05.47 | N900addikt | Why? |
| 21:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | just because |
| 21:05.55 | N900addikt | What i say? |
| 21:06.26 | N900addikt | Be gentle with me man |
| 21:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | this channel is meant for maemo user and developers, not for maemo haters and general rant about nokia |
| 21:07.08 | ShadowJK | leave us Happy N900 owners alone :( |
| 21:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 21:07.51 | N900addikt | I aint hater just pissed bro |
| 21:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | if you don't like maemo, don't use it, but please go elsewhere to bitch about the fact |
| 21:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | I really hoped we put an end to that topic and kind of discussions some 6 months ago |
| 21:09.04 | N900addikt | you wrong bro great things get accomplished thru discussion man not through ass kissin know what im sayin? |
| 21:09.28 | ShadowJK | there's nobody here to "ass kiss" |
| 21:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | I know I neither like your diction nor your notion |
| 21:09.33 | Venemo | N900addikt: what's your problem? |
| 21:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | the missing +q |
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| 21:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | we can change that easily |
| 21:10.17 | Venemo | +q=? |
| 21:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | quiet |
| 21:10.27 | Venemo | ah! |
| 21:10.43 | N900addikt | I love maemo and want n900 to suceed but it seems our pleas are falling on deaf ears cause nobody give a damn about n900 no more know what im sayin? |
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| 21:11.05 | Venemo | N900addikt: not true |
| 21:11.09 | Venemo | N900addikt: I give a damn. |
| 21:11.10 | jacekowski | true |
| 21:11.20 | jacekowski | n900 is abandoned almost 2 years old phone |
| 21:11.26 | jacekowski | and replacement is couple months away |
| 21:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | and I don't care |
| 21:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | and I don't learn anything from N900addikt telling me those notions of him |
| 21:12.20 | N900addikt | Well xcept for 3 hobbists on this chanel nobody else give a damn and the industry dont give a damn and there aint new apps comming out know what im sayin? |
| 21:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | SO WHAT???? |
| 21:12.33 | Venemo | N900addikt: not true |
| 21:12.37 | ShadowJK | You know if they made a N901 with more ram, and runnig same old Maemo5, I'd buy it :P |
| 21:12.50 | Venemo | N900addikt: puzzle-master is a new app. so new apps are coming out |
| 21:12.54 | Venemo | N900addikt: go try it. |
| 21:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: sorry, can't recall what's been my suggestions for puzzle |
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| 21:13.58 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: you recommended that it should remember the user-selected images, which I've done today |
| 21:13.58 | N900addikt | The apps on maemo are mostly pos wheres the excitment that was promised everybody had a hardon when n900 was announced but then it died slow death why i ask why??? |
| 21:14.19 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: however there was something else that I can't recall. |
| 21:14.36 | Venemo | N900addikt: 'pos'=? |
| 21:14.45 | ShadowJK | position? |
| 21:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | N900addikt: no matter if your rant is true or not - what's your fscking point, man? you know what I'm sayin? |
| 21:14.59 | Venemo | ShadowJK: so what does 'apps on maemo are mostly pos' mean? |
| 21:15.09 | N900addikt | pos mean piece of s**t you dont know this bro? |
| 21:15.25 | Venemo | N900addikt: sorry, I'm no native English speaker. |
| 21:15.32 | N900addikt | Doc my beef aint with yous man |
| 21:15.56 | Venemo | N900addikt: however it is a great insult for me that you call my app 'piece of shit'. |
| 21:15.59 | N900addikt | DocScrutinizer: my beef aint you sorry bout that bro |
| 21:16.17 | N900addikt | Venemo: what app? |
| 21:16.21 | ShadowJK | pork too? |
| 21:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | me neither, and especially not grown up in some rapper posse, yo man |
| 21:16.51 | Venemo | N900addikt: read scrollback |
| 21:17.20 | N900addikt | Why u making fun of the way i speak? No everybody was born english some of us are doin our best |
| 21:17.36 | Venemo | N900addikt: Doc isn't English either. |
| 21:17.49 | Venemo | N900addikt: so what is the purpose of your trolling here? |
| 21:18.24 | N900addikt | u make fun of way i speak u call me troll....what i do to yous bro? |
| 21:18.43 | trx | just ~q.. |
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| 21:19.00 | Venemo | N900addikt: I didn't make fun of the way you speak, since I've never heard you speaking. |
| 21:19.04 | N900addikt | Go check the meaning of irc in diktionary bro its where everybody speak man |
| 21:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | suspects N900addikt == N900hater == N900lover == the troll that got banned at least 4 times already |
| 21:19.23 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ping |
| 21:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm 5 seconds from fixing the missing +b |
| 21:19.40 | N900addikt | DocScrutinizer: no true man i aint been banned |
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| 21:20.11 | Venemo | N900addikt: can't you locate the apostrophe character on your keyboard? |
| 21:20.22 | N900addikt | Ok....why you so mean bro? |
| 21:20.49 | N900addikt | I sayed to you i aint english bro capisci? |
| 21:20.56 | Sc0rpius | "said" |
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| 21:21.19 | N900addikt | Said |
| 21:21.23 | Sc0rpius | anyway do you have a question? |
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| 21:21.48 | N900addikt | why was i lied to when i buyed n900 |
| 21:21.55 | Sc0rpius | "bought" |
| 21:22.05 | Sc0rpius | sell it and buy an Android phone, or an iPhone, and problem solved |
| 21:22.11 | Sc0rpius | you don't need to have a hard time with it |
| 21:22.11 | Venemo | N900addikt: so if you "ain't" English, then go to an English course and learn English first, please. |
| 21:22.17 | Venemo | N900addikt: and I'm not your 'bro'. |
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| 21:23.21 | N900addikt | we all had a hardon when n900 was announced and then the fizzle died xcept for hobbysts here bro |
| 21:23.52 | Venemo | N900addikt: I'm not your 'bro' |
| 21:23.57 | MohammadAG | Venemo, pong |
| 21:23.58 | Scorcerer | go cry in your bed already, nobody here cares |
| 21:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | N900addikt: we are not Nokia customer care here, and we're not your personal psychiatrists, and I'm really temped to kick you for offensive speech, trolling, and an IP and diction and nick that damn resembles that of N900hater |
| 21:24.23 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what was the solution to reach ~/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/bin/mad as simply mad? |
| 21:24.32 | N900addikt | What offensive speech bro? |
| 21:24.34 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I think it was some kind of alias, but I can't recall how it was |
| 21:24.53 | Venemo | N900addikt: none of us are your bros here. please don't call us that. |
| 21:25.01 | Venemo | N900addikt: why don't you simply sell the N900? |
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| 21:25.26 | col0ur | DocScrutinizer, i love you :) <3 |
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| 21:25.34 | b-man | ....:P |
| 21:25.34 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 21:25.39 | *** mode/#maemo [+b col0ur!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 21:25.47 | b-man | thank you :P |
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| 21:26.13 | N900addikt | Sorry bros |
| 21:26.24 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 21:26.26 | N900addikt | I m just a victim |
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| 21:26.33 | till| | bye bye :) |
| 21:26.34 | *** mode/#maemo [+q N900addikt!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
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| 21:27.05 | Venemo | thanks DocScrutinizer :) |
| 21:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | ping me if you learnt to listen to others asking you not to call them bro, bro |
| 21:27.25 | Venemo | N900addikt: so, do you get it that we are NOT your bros? |
| 21:27.29 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 21:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | anybody else without a ticket? |
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| 21:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | darn, not even Friday yet |
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| 21:35.43 | Venemo | MohammadAG: so do you remember how it was? |
| 21:35.49 | Skyscraper | hi |
| 21:36.03 | Skyscraper | can maybe anyone compile "cryptlib" for n900? |
| 21:36.19 | Venemo | Skyscraper: why don't you? |
| 21:36.39 | Skyscraper | Venemo: dont know how... tryed to "make" in n900 xterm... but doenst work :D |
| 21:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | missing 67GB free space for SB? |
| 21:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 21:37.14 | Venemo | Skyscraper: try on your computer |
| 21:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: that's mean |
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| 21:37.43 | Skyscraper | Venemo: i need maemo sdk i think?! |
| 21:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | and it's a friggin monster |
| 21:38.08 | Skyscraper | is it possible to install on Xubuntu 10.10 i386 ? |
| 21:38.15 | Venemo | Skyscraper: yes, it is. |
| 21:38.45 | Skyscraper | okay... because i have my (now running =) ) lazarus+fpc setup for crosscompiling running here too |
| 21:38.46 | Venemo | Skyscraper: there are lots of other things needed usually 'make' is not enough. |
| 21:38.56 | Skyscraper | Venemo: why? |
| 21:39.00 | Venemo | Skyscraper: we could help you if you gave us the error messages. |
| 21:39.08 | Skyscraper | i only need this f**** libcl.so |
| 21:39.13 | Skyscraper | for n900 |
| 21:39.33 | Skyscraper | my crosscompiler wants it xD |
| 21:39.42 | Skyscraper | because i'm using cryptlib in my app |
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| 21:39.54 | Venemo | Skyscraper: mhm |
| 21:39.58 | Venemo | Skyscraper: so what's the error message? |
| 21:40.22 | Skyscraper | no error message at this time... only from lazarus... wanting libcl.so ;) |
| 21:40.38 | Venemo | Skyscraper: so install libcl, whatever that is |
| 21:40.49 | Skyscraper | libcl is cryptlib |
| 21:41.07 | Venemo | Skyscraper: I mean, what was the error when you tried to compile libcl? |
| 21:41.30 | Skyscraper | Venemo: i have to download sdk ;) |
| 21:41.55 | Skyscraper | on the phone itself i have no gcc |
| 21:42.18 | MohammadAG | retarded question for a retarded person |
| 21:42.33 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ? |
| 21:42.35 | MohammadAG | shouldn't a Nokia uSD card work in a samsung phone? |
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| 21:43.21 | MohammadAG | a Nokia branded uSD card should work in any phone with a uSD slot, right? |
| 21:43.33 | Venemo | MohammadAG: right. |
| 21:45.07 | MohammadAG | it isn't |
| 21:45.22 | Skyscraper | do i have to start the maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py as root? |
| 21:46.21 | Sc0rpius | I wonder if I ever did that |
| 21:46.48 | Skyscraper | yes i have to :D |
| 21:47.00 | Skyscraper | ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py Python Qt4 bindings are not found! Do you want to install missing package "python-qt4"? (Type "y" to install) y Executing command: ['apt-get', 'install', 'python-qt4'] E: Sperrdatei /var/lib/dpkg/lock konnte nicht geöffnet werden - open (13: Permission denied) E: Sperren des Administrationsverzeichnisses (/var/lib/dpkg/) nicht möglich, sind Sie root? Automatic installation of package "python-qt4" |
| 21:48.04 | till| | try sudo .... ? |
| 21:48.19 | Skyscraper | till|: yes thanks... its already running |
| 21:48.26 | MohammadAG | how do I recover a microSD password |
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| 21:49.37 | Skyscraper | what is VDSO kernel parameter? |
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| 21:49.59 | Sc0rpius | oh :( |
| 21:51.03 | ieatlint | "LONDON Egyptian authorities forced Vodafone to broadcast pro-government text messages during the protests that have rocked the country, the U.K.-based mobile company said Thursday." ... this is why support for SMS-CB really needs to be added to the n900 |
| 21:51.11 | ieatlint | imagine all those users who missed out on these messages :( |
| 21:51.15 | Sc0rpius | what's SMS-CB? |
| 21:51.37 | ShadowJK | cell broadcast |
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| 21:52.07 | Sc0rpius | that sounds like "spam" to me |
| 21:52.37 | Sc0rpius | actually, what does it has to do with the mobile? SMS-CB is implemented at SMSC level |
| 21:52.38 | Venemo | Skyscraper: it needs to be turned off in order for the SDK to work |
| 21:52.46 | Sc0rpius | the mobile would just receive a normal SMS. |
| 21:52.57 | Skyscraper | Venemo: ok good... i have checked the "permanent" checkbox ;) |
| 21:53.03 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 21:53.07 | Venemo | Skyscraper: you need to modify your kernel line |
| 21:53.10 | MohammadAG | it was password protected |
| 21:53.17 | Venemo | MohammadAG: you can't recover a microSD password |
| 21:53.18 | haj | I wonder if I'll be able to use a Nokia carcharger to charge my N900 on this old bike I'm "restoring" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blQg253dr0k |
| 21:53.19 | Proteous | format! |
| 21:53.38 | Skyscraper | Venemo: installer done that for me i think |
| 21:53.40 | haj | It's 6V... |
| 21:53.47 | Proteous | do we need to watch a youtube video to answer that question? |
| 21:53.57 | haj | You should, it's a nice bike :) |
| 21:54.02 | Proteous | uh huh |
| 21:54.18 | ieatlint | Sc0rpius: see bug #8347 |
| 21:54.20 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 21:54.24 | haj | nah.. but I wonder if the 12V charger will do anything at 6 volts :) |
| 21:54.32 | Proteous | it won't |
| 21:54.39 | ShadowJK | haj, probably better to use that 2+3.5mm to musb adapter |
| 21:54.53 | ShadowJK | CA-146C |
| 21:54.57 | ShadowJK | if you have one |
| 21:55.04 | Sc0rpius | goes to read the bug |
| 21:55.07 | Skyscraper | anyone already developed an app which does some thinks when n900 registers at GSM CELLID xy |
| 21:55.12 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember who here was from egypt. |
| 21:55.31 | Skyscraper | *things |
| 21:55.46 | MohammadAG | Venemo, it was 1234 |
| 21:55.57 | MohammadAG | I'm close to killing someone |
| 21:56.00 | haj | ShadowJK: and just connect it directly to the 6V battery? problem is that the power goes up to about 7V when running at high revs.. |
| 21:56.03 | Venemo | MohammadAG, lol |
| 21:56.23 | ShadowJK | haj, so theoretically it accepts 3-11V |
| 21:56.44 | ShadowJK | in practice it goes into meltdown sometimes :) |
| 21:56.57 | haj | ShadowJK: I don't think I'd like meltdown.. :) |
| 21:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: where from these specs? |
| 21:57.21 | haj | ShadowJK: I guess it should be safe enough when the motor is not running though... |
| 21:57.54 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, 2mm charging system accepts 10V with sufficient input impedance, so.. |
| 21:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 21:58.21 | ShadowJK | haj, i guess you could try car charger too, one of the ones I have works down to 6-7V or so.. |
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| 21:58.58 | till| | i've used a homebrew charger for my n82 and n800 on my bicycle :) |
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| 21:59.10 | SpeedEvil | http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212726/Intel-has-late-metal-fix-for-design-error?cid=NL_EETimesDaily# |
| 21:59.15 | till| | sometimes charging did stop when going downhill |
| 21:59.19 | SpeedEvil | The perils of electromigration. |
| 21:59.19 | MohammadAG | Venemo, he was arguing about crap I knew was right |
| 21:59.32 | MohammadAG | like a Nokia uSD only working in a Nokia phone |
| 21:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: o.O |
| 22:00.00 | Venemo | MohammadAG: :) |
| 22:00.28 | haj | ShadowJK: what model is it? I'd feel more safe using a "certified" charger ;) |
| 22:01.09 | MohammadAG | I put it in the N900 and it said error initializing card |
| 22:01.14 | MohammadAG | N95 said Memory Card Password: |
| 22:02.25 | ieatlint | it the card actually encrypted, or is it just some sort of lock file that symbian honours? |
| 22:02.36 | MohammadAG | symbian |
| 22:03.15 | SpeedEvil | strings /dev/mmc1blk1 |
| 22:03.21 | ieatlint | ah.. security.. |
| 22:03.29 | SpeedEvil | see if it's actually crypted |
| 22:03.44 | SpeedEvil | In principle they may use the SD features that nobody ever uses. |
| 22:03.46 | Skyscraper | MohammadAG: try http://www.mobiletipstricks.com/how-to-unlock-or-hack-memory-card-when-you-forgot-your-memory-card-password/ |
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| 22:04.57 | MohammadAG | I already removed the pass |
| 22:04.59 | MohammadAG | it was 1234 |
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| 22:05.03 | Proteous | lol |
| 22:05.07 | Skyscraper | ah ok O:-) |
| 22:05.32 | Proteous | just like my luggage |
| 22:05.37 | ieatlint | damnit |
| 22:05.41 | ieatlint | was just about to make that joke |
| 22:05.43 | ieatlint | bastard :P |
| 22:05.44 | Proteous | heh |
| 22:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nice |
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| 22:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | now if only we could *force* OCers to read and try to wrap their head around all that |
| 22:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | OTOH who cares |
| 22:08.20 | Skyscraper | how big is the maemo sdk? oO |
| 22:08.24 | ShadowJK | i thought intel's sata3g issue wasn't e-migration? |
| 22:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | damage done already. I'll never buy a used N900. And I cba any longer to try and educate all those fools that brag with 1.2GHz in their tmo signature |
| 22:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: some 5GB iirc |
| 22:09.11 | Skyscraper | hm i have 5GB left... its running on step 5 |
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| 22:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: at least that's what the /scratchbox folder bites out of my HDD here |
| 22:09.57 | Skyscraper | its "5/11 Installing SDK targets" |
| 22:10.10 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: reacting to your used N900 comment, I actually realized that buying a separate phone and a tablet costs less than buying one device that's both |
| 22:10.45 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I don't really understand the reason behind this though. |
| 22:10.59 | Skyscraper | Venemo: iPhone and iPad together is cheaper than n900? :D |
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| 22:16.52 | Venemo | Skyscraper: hehe, not really |
| 22:17.06 | Skyscraper | Venemo: ^ |
| 22:17.41 | Venemo | Skyscraper: but a phone that is just a phone, plus an Archos tablet are. |
| 22:18.14 | Venemo | Skyscraper: Archos 43 can do everything that N900 can, except the phone functionality |
| 22:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I've had that several times, like 6210 + palmpilot-V |
| 22:19.21 | Venemo | I don't own one, but next time I'll buy some devices, I'll look around the tablet market more |
| 22:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: always found it's missing the point |
| 22:19.33 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what's missing the point? |
| 22:19.59 | Skyscraper | Venemo: is it linux based? |
| 22:20.04 | Venemo | Skyscraper: yes |
| 22:20.14 | Venemo | Skyscraper: it uses crapdroid, but MeeGo is ported to it |
| 22:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | to have a tablet that can't manage your contacts so you got phone call integration. A phone that can access internet but only does WAP |
| 22:20.22 | Skyscraper | Venemo: armel? |
| 22:20.28 | haltdef | DocScrutinizer, was it you i was talking to about stereo channels getting swapped? |
| 22:20.29 | Venemo | Skyscraper: yep |
| 22:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:20.42 | haltdef | well, confirmed |
| 22:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 22:20.51 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: mhm. yeah, the N900 is a great all-round device :) |
| 22:21.09 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I actually like the concept of the old NITs |
| 22:21.13 | Skyscraper | Venemo: is ubuntu possible? |
| 22:21.15 | haltdef | scared the shit out of me when it swapped, quickly fired up my left/right wav to confirm |
| 22:21.35 | Venemo | Skyscraper: I didn't research ubuntu |
| 22:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | which app? |
| 22:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | what user action to trigger swap? |
| 22:21.59 | Skyscraper | Venemo: ubuntu runs on n900 from sd :) |
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| 22:22.11 | Venemo | Skyscraper: I don't care about ubuntu |
| 22:22.24 | Skyscraper | Venemo: ubuntu is very nice |
| 22:22.43 | Venemo | Skyscraper: it probably is, but it's not designed to be used on tablets |
| 22:22.58 | Venemo | Skyscraper: for tablet/netbook experience, I'd rather just use MeeGo |
| 22:23.14 | Skyscraper | Venemo: theres a netbook version from ubuntu |
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| 22:24.38 | Venemo | Skyscraper: yes, I saw their Unity UI. it isn't bad, but I didn't really like it. |
| 22:25.02 | Skyscraper | Venemo: works very nice on n900 |
| 22:25.19 | fellu | Skyscraper, have any video of ubuntu on900? |
| 22:25.35 | Venemo | Skyscraper: well, I'm one of those people who actually like the Hildon UX :) |
| 22:26.12 | javispedro | MohammadAG: heh, I have a Nokia uSD that works anywhere except on the N8x0/N900. |
| 22:26.25 | javispedro | .. where it shows read errors all over the place. |
| 22:27.19 | javispedro | will make a point to find one symbian thing to test such card on it. |
| 22:28.22 | Skyscraper | fellu: no but view the thread in maemo forum |
| 22:29.09 | fellu | oo |
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| 22:32.41 | Skyscraper | sdk wont start? |
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| 22:34.55 | Skyscraper | browserd[26227]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: :2 browserd mafw-dbus-wrapper[26221]: GLIB WARNING ** mafw-gst-renderer - Could not initialize hal maemo-launcher: child (pid=26206) terminated due to signal=11 |
| 22:37.25 | MohammadAG | javispedro, has any company ever locked cards to its devices? |
| 22:37.33 | MohammadAG | I thought all cards followed a spec |
| 22:37.55 | MohammadAG | Sandisk, Nokia, etc, they all follow the same spec |
| 22:38.30 | MohammadAG | and aren't all (well, most) chips in memory cards from Samsung, which makes the whole argument I had invalid on the guy's side |
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| 22:41.49 | Skyscraper | whats that?/usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 302: 26899 Aborted /usr/bin/hildon-home /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 302: 26917 Segmentation fault (core dumped) $TRACKER /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 302: 26919 Aborted (core dumped) mafw-dbus-wrapper /usr/lib/mafw-plugin/mafw-tracker-source.so /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 302: 26920 Aborted (core dumped) mafw-dbus-wrapper /usr/lib/mafw-plu |
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| 22:55.26 | jacekowski | Skyscraper: memory problems in worst case |
| 22:55.36 | MohammadAG | Skyscraper, if you're on ARMEL, switch to X86, also, export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:55.39 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: samsung and toshiba |
| 22:55.39 | MohammadAG | err, :2 |
| 22:55.50 | MohammadAG | and start a xephyr window if you have none |
| 22:56.13 | Skyscraper | jacekowski: hm i have problems with my ram in windows... dont know why... memtest says all ok |
| 22:56.34 | Skyscraper | MohammadAG: its x86 target... why DISPLAY=:0? |
| 22:56.44 | MohammadAG | :2, my bad |
| 22:56.50 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: there are 3 manufacturers of flash chips |
| 22:56.51 | MohammadAG | make sure you have the right Xephyr window open |
| 22:57.01 | Skyscraper | MohammadAG: already done that |
| 22:57.08 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, anyway, I proved him wrong, which is good enough :P |
| 22:57.15 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: and if you go by numbers toshiba is bigger |
| 22:57.53 | jacekowski | javispedro: microsd can be encrypted/locked/drmed |
| 22:58.02 | jacekowski | javispedro: well, SD in general |
| 22:58.17 | MohammadAG | symbian's locking mechanism is retarded |
| 22:58.18 | jacekowski | javispedro: and then if you don't have correct password it will just fail miserably |
| 22:58.27 | MohammadAG | you NEED a symbian device to unlock it |
| 22:58.31 | javispedro | yeah, but this is on what they sell as blank cards |
| 22:58.38 | jacekowski | nope |
| 22:58.46 | jacekowski | these cards are locked |
| 22:59.01 | jacekowski | you can reset them some way |
| 22:59.06 | jacekowski | but it wipes everything on it |
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| 22:59.38 | javispedro | then again I never put much thought on that card as I guess I would find it out it was counterfeit. |
| 22:59.45 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, just format the card |
| 23:00.02 | MohammadAG | what if I need the data on them though |
| 23:00.02 | jacekowski | javispedro: as i said there are only 3 manufactureres of flash chips |
| 23:00.13 | jacekowski | but |
| 23:00.13 | Skyscraper | i started reinstalling sdk... go to sleep... good night |
| 23:00.18 | jacekowski | on top of flash chip |
| 23:00.21 | jacekowski | you need controller |
| 23:00.29 | jacekowski | and there is lot of manufacturers of them |
| 23:00.47 | jacekowski | and that's what makes card an SD card or compact flash or memory stick or whatever |
| 23:00.57 | javispedro | and usually what makes it crap. |
| 23:01.17 | jacekowski | same flash chips are in your usb memory sticks and your sd and microsd card |
| 23:01.25 | jacekowski | and internal emmc |
| 23:02.19 | javispedro | either way I'd say there's more than 3. |
| 23:03.35 | jacekowski | nope |
| 23:03.51 | jacekowski | it's sandisk toshiba and samsung |
| 23:04.16 | javispedro | micron does |
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| 23:07.00 | jacekowski | as far as i know they only license technology from toshiba |
| 23:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 gives a lot of deep insight |
| 23:13.09 | OkropNick | GTSG |
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| 23:20.00 | anidel | anyone with PR1.2 or PR1.3 on the N900 can send me a screenshot of the Send window in the Modest client ? Particulary with the lower bar visible (with the second SEND button). Thanks |
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| 23:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 23:27.03 | GeneralAntilles | got a sequence of a blue heron horking up a load of dead fish onto some poor guy's boat. |
| 23:27.18 | trumee | anidel, http://i54.tinypic.com/zo8a2x.png |
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| 23:31.12 | Venemo | bye-bye guy |
| 23:31.13 | Venemo | bye-bye guys |
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| 23:57.19 | norayr | This is post I've just made about photo light meter for maemo/fremantle http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=935422#post935422 |
| 23:57.28 | norayr | I'll prepare a version for Diablo as well later |
| 23:58.10 | norayr | going to sleep, bye bye |
