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| 00:43.55 | lardman|home | phew, mbarcode pushed and python plugin fixed and pushed |
| 00:44.00 | lardman|home | heads for bed |
| 00:44.02 | lardman|home | night all |
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| 00:44.38 | SpeedEvil | night! |
| 00:46.38 | wmarone-n900 | can someone dispose of PradaBrada? |
| 00:47.53 | MohammadAG | wmarone-n900, I'd like to |
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| 01:06.10 | ricki8024 | i'm confused. On my n900 i installed rootsh. Now i can 'sudo su' or 'sudo gainroot' to get a root shell. But there must be a difference between those two commands |
| 01:06.19 | Sc0rpius | or just "root" |
| 01:06.27 | Sc0rpius | type just "root" |
| 01:06.49 | ricki8024 | that seems to be similar to 'sudo su' |
| 01:07.09 | ricki8024 | but what exacly does 'sudo gainroot'? |
| 01:07.21 | Sc0rpius | sudo lets you execute a command as root |
| 01:07.32 | Sc0rpius | su = substitute user, without any argument you become root |
| 01:07.45 | ricki8024 | so far so good |
| 01:08.05 | trip0 | su != super user? |
| 01:08.11 | Sc0rpius | no!!! |
| 01:08.13 | trip0 | feels less super |
| 01:08.16 | Sc0rpius | su is SUBSTITUTE USER |
| 01:08.21 | Sc0rpius | su user <--- you become user |
| 01:08.29 | trip0 | switch user? |
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| 01:08.39 | ricki8024 | but if i 'sudo gainroot' ~ is /home/user, if i 'root' or 'sudo su' ~ is /root |
| 01:08.44 | ricki8024 | o.O |
| 01:08.45 | ricki8024 | strange |
| 01:09.01 | Sc0rpius | sudo gainroot is different, it's a special shell (/usr/sbin/gainroot( |
| 01:09.47 | ricki8024 | whats the reason behind this? |
| 01:09.49 | Sc0rpius | well it's a special command that calls a bad shell (ash) with root privileges |
| 01:10.47 | Sc0rpius | no reason |
| 01:10.57 | Sc0rpius | the thing is when you install rootsh, then you can sudo to whatever command you want |
| 01:11.28 | Sc0rpius | since I use bash, I'd prefer just to type "root" |
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| 01:12.28 | ricki8024 | i use bash to. but even if i use bash after that gainroot thing ~ is still /home/user and different rc-files are loaded |
| 01:13.11 | ricki8024 | ok, so i guess i just forget about 'sudo gainroot'?! |
| 01:15.26 | ricki8024 | shouldn't the home dir be the same no matter which shell is in use? |
| 01:15.50 | Sc0rpius | every user has a different home dir |
| 01:15.53 | Sc0rpius | root user has /root |
| 01:15.55 | Sc0rpius | user has /home/user |
| 01:15.59 | Sc0rpius | other users has /home/login |
| 01:20.13 | ricki8024 | but after 'sudo gainroot'. whoami returns 'root' but the .bashrc from /home/user is loaded. |
| 01:21.11 | Sc0rpius | yeah normal behavior |
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| 01:22.01 | Sc0rpius | it's like the difference between: "sudo suroot" and "sudo su - |
| 01:22.03 | Sc0rpius | err |
| 01:22.07 | Sc0rpius | it's like the difference between: "sudo su root" and "sudo su - root" |
| 01:23.19 | ricki8024 | never saw something like this on my desktop. but will try next time i'm in front of it. |
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| 01:33.37 | Extends | hi there, I can I add a link to maemo icon in my application.pro file? On symbian I just add the variable ICON:path |
| 01:34.02 | Extends | but, I don't know how can I do that on maemo... |
| 01:34.18 | Extends | I talk about qt to maemo |
| 01:34.38 | villager | ricki8024: "sudo su" is technically redundant... "sudo" is a command that gives you root privileges... "su" is a command that switches the "logged-in" user in the shell; not just grants extra privileges, it completely switches user |
| 01:35.54 | villager | (though only for that shell, of course) |
| 01:36.48 | ricki8024 | sure. but since 'su' does not work on my n900 as on my debian desktop i found 'sudo su' does give me a root shell |
| 01:37.23 | ricki8024 | i'm still learning ;) |
| 01:37.27 | Sc0rpius | well but you can use su to get the whole login environment, actually there's no other way to do it |
| 01:37.35 | Sc0rpius | I mean "sudo su -" |
| 01:37.39 | Sc0rpius | how can you replace that? |
| 01:38.00 | Sc0rpius | and that's exactly what command "root" does |
| 01:38.04 | Sc0rpius | (sudo su -) |
| 01:38.26 | villager | Sc0rpius: on a normal desktop, "su -" without sudo in front would work... though maybe not on the n900 I suppose |
| 01:38.58 | Sc0rpius | in a normal desktop, "sudo su - " will give you root without the password (if the correct entry is in /etc/sudoers) |
| 01:39.07 | Sc0rpius | and su - (without sudo) would ask you for a password, if the root user has one |
| 01:40.17 | villager | sure, you may get a password prompt, but it's certainly a way to "replace that"... |
| 01:40.33 | Sc0rpius | my point is: two different commands for two totally different purposes |
| 01:41.09 | Sc0rpius | in the N900 you can't use "su" without the "sudo" |
| 01:41.18 | Sc0rpius | user:/home/user> su |
| 01:41.18 | Sc0rpius | su: must be suid to work properly |
| 01:41.24 | Sc0rpius | ;) |
| 01:41.45 | Extends | Someone can help me with my question? |
| 01:41.51 | wmarone-n900 | that's because of busybox, last I checked |
| 01:41.57 | villager | "must be suid"? so it just takes a chmod to work, I guess... |
| 01:42.22 | wmarone-n900 | you would need to set the entire busybox binary to suid for it to work |
| 01:42.23 | Sc0rpius | not reallyuser:/home/user> su |
| 01:42.23 | Sc0rpius | su: must be suid to work properly |
| 01:42.25 | Sc0rpius | err sorry |
| 01:42.26 | Sc0rpius | not really |
| 01:42.35 | Sc0rpius | su is an internal busybox command |
| 01:42.50 | Sc0rpius | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Oct 3 2009 /bin/su -> busybox |
| 01:42.50 | villager | oh yeah, stupid busybox |
| 01:43.21 | ricki8024 | Extends: i would love to but have no idea, sorry |
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| 01:43.53 | Sc0rpius | and I didn't understand the question |
| 01:44.50 | ricki8024 | well, same here to be honest |
| 01:46.00 | Extends | thanks man, I found nothing about this in the forum |
| 01:46.17 | Sc0rpius | what do you exactly want to do?¿ |
| 01:48.18 | villager | ricki8024: in any case, that's the difference... sudo gives you root privileges, but doesn't change who you are... while su changes your identity, you now are root, and are no longer the user |
| 01:48.50 | Extends | Sc0rpius, you talking to me? |
| 01:49.25 | ricki8024 | ok, but then i don't understand why whoami returns root if just the user user gets root previleges |
| 01:50.38 | Sc0rpius | yeah |
| 01:50.55 | ricki8024 | however, this sudo thing seams strange to me anyway. if its part of the security architecture that previleges are seperated so strictly, why should a normal user be able to run a command with root previleges? |
| 01:51.02 | Extends | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.09 | ricki8024 | with his normal login password! |
| 01:51.13 | Extends | but, I don't know how can I do that on maemo. |
| 01:51.16 | villager | ricki8024: the man page for whoami seems to say it shows the effective user id (i.e. the privilege level), not the real user id... but the kernel does know the difference |
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| 01:52.59 | Sc0rpius | what's a "application.pro" file? |
| 01:53.10 | Extends | I talk about qt to maemo |
| 01:53.14 | villager | ricki8024: normally sudo does not allow that, but the rootsh package installs an override to allow that... that's its purpose |
| 01:54.00 | Sc0rpius | the thing is, in Maemo, you can't specify a path to icons |
| 01:54.07 | villager | ricki8024: actually any system admin may allow the users on his system to run any command he chooses with root privileges with their own password - but only the commands he chooses |
| 01:54.08 | Sc0rpius | all icons must be in some special folders, can't be whatever you want |
| 01:54.20 | Sc0rpius | and then until you hit ctrl-d |
| 01:54.22 | Sc0rpius | err |
| 01:54.23 | Sc0rpius | and then |
| 01:54.31 | Sc0rpius | you should specify ICON:name |
| 01:55.31 | Sc0rpius | http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application <--- maybe that will help |
| 01:56.07 | Extends | hum, for example, I add this to symbian " ICON = icon.svg" (this is my icon name). So I just need to do the same to maemo ? |
| 01:56.17 | villager | ricki8024: sudo normally does not allow anything, just what the sysadmin wants... for some privileged tasks, it's better than giving users the root passwords, don't you think? |
| 01:57.21 | Sc0rpius | well i don't think a .svg file works |
| 01:57.28 | Sc0rpius | it has to be a .png file, it's kinda different in Maemo |
| 01:58.09 | Sc0rpius | there'Extends it should work if the icon is |
| 01:58.10 | Sc0rpius | errr |
| 01:58.20 | ricki8024 | i need to dig deaper into that. i want to know what the vanilla debian install on my desktop gives what rights to the regular user. since i'm root and user at once user should be as limited as possible i think |
| 01:58.21 | Sc0rpius | delete and insert are way too near in this keyboard |
| 01:59.29 | Extends | okay, I will try that, and my icon is svg format, this is okay? |
| 02:00.05 | Sc0rpius | no, it's not ok |
| 02:00.08 | Sc0rpius | it has to be png in UNix |
| 02:00.37 | Sc0rpius | you should look at the examples |
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| 02:02.37 | Extends | okay, thanks |
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| 02:03.18 | Extends | I wiill look for some examples |
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| 02:15.03 | aoeu_ | Can I still overclock (say via kernel-config) while using h-e-n? |
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| 02:16.36 | blackthorne | Hi |
| 02:17.57 | luke-jr | aoeu_: the general rule is, overclocking is for fools |
| 02:18.53 | aoeu_ | luke-jr: Would you like to enlighten me, why you think that is the case? |
| 02:19.17 | aoeu_ | But before that, can I still overclock when I have h-e-n installed? |
| 02:19.28 | luke-jr | aoeu_: chip lifetime varies greatly by clock speed |
| 02:19.59 | luke-jr | for example, if it's clocked at 600 MHz (the default maximum), the OMAP will fry within a year |
| 02:20.17 | luke-jr | IIRC, lifetime shortens exponentially |
| 02:21.08 | blackthorne | is there actually people overclocking the N900? |
| 02:21.57 | aoeu_ | blackthorne: What do you mean by that? |
| 02:22.37 | Sc0rpius | everyone that has overclocked has fried their phones |
| 02:22.58 | aoeu_ | Sc0rpius: what is your source of data? |
| 02:23.22 | blackthorne | well, have you heard of anyone that increased his n900 CPU clock speed? |
| 02:23.44 | aoeu_ | Before we (potentially) jump into such discussions,I'd like to get an answer first whether I can have h-e-n installed and still overclock? |
| 02:23.50 | ShadowJK | yes, some get over 1GHz |
| 02:23.59 | aoeu_ | blackthorne: Uh, yes. Have you? |
| 02:24.02 | Sc0rpius | aoeu_: forums |
| 02:24.18 | blackthorne | gee... What a big world |
| 02:24.21 | aoeu_ | Sc0rpius: Not substantial |
| 02:24.31 | ShadowJK | and some have had their n900 die after a few weeks of 800MHz |
| 02:24.37 | Sc0rpius | yeah |
| 02:24.39 | aoeu_ | Sc0rpius: To say everyone is a too much of a claim to make. |
| 02:25.07 | Sc0rpius | actually on topic NOW: Epic OC fatality: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68795 |
| 02:25.23 | Sc0rpius | that's another "don't wanna listen to you guys" fella who fried his phone |
| 02:25.46 | Sc0rpius | "Phone was running on 950mhz ideal with swappolube on proposed settings." |
| 02:26.02 | blackthorne | well, I love hacking but I also love my N900. No way, I'm doing that |
| 02:26.26 | Sc0rpius | I don't even installed the power kernel |
| 02:26.30 | Sc0rpius | I'm fine with OMAP |
| 02:27.12 | ShadowJK | I'm actually overclocking my N800 and N810 :) Their mmc controllers, that is :) |
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| 02:28.16 | blackthorne | I've probably did more underclocking than overclocking in my life |
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| 02:35.36 | aoeu_ | Maybe I'm just too adventurous, that I'm willing to get a replacement unit if my N900 dies, but since I got my tablet almost a year ago, it has been overclocked non-stopped and it still works fine. BUT, that does not mean that it won't break anytime, too. |
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| 02:35.58 | Sc0rpius | well since N900 is EOL, it'll be hard to find a replacement soon |
| 02:36.43 | aoeu_ | Sc0rpius: Yes. |
| 02:37.16 | aoeu_ | Which leads me to my question, what is the most extensive work load have you put on your N900? |
| 02:37.17 | blackthorne | what about the battery lifetime? |
| 02:37.47 | aoeu_ | blackthorne: Several hours, but I have spare batteries (not mugen ones). |
| 02:38.31 | aoeu_ | How much have you used your N900 beyond sms and calls? What are the most intensive things you've done with it, on a non-overclocked mode? |
| 02:39.07 | cehteh | its not N900 which is EOL, its nokia :P |
| 02:40.32 | ShadowJK | I hit the ram and io barrier much sooner than cpu barrier.. though once I used mencoder to encode time lapse video at camera native resolution, resulting file was of course unplayable on n900 :) |
| 02:41.40 | cehteh | yes, ram is the most precious resource on the device .. oh my why didnt they add 512 MB or even 1GB |
| 02:44.55 | blackthorne | I have all the best smart phones, from the N900 to the iPhone 4. I have to say the N900 has the best fun factor for me |
| 02:45.11 | cehteh | i dont want any other yet |
| 02:45.26 | ShadowJK | didn't exist for omap at the time :) |
| 02:47.43 | blackthorne | To be perfect: a little better hardware, thinner design, bigger App market, HD recording, MMS support and longer battery lifetime |
| 02:47.59 | cehteh | cool, the imgur plugin rox |
| 02:48.19 | ShadowJK | bought a second n900 because nothing more interesting exists yet |
| 02:48.19 | cehteh | well there is always something which can be better |
| 02:48.32 | cehteh | but i didnt seen that in any acceptable device yet |
| 02:48.48 | cehteh | compass is high on my list and much longer lasting battery |
| 02:49.31 | ShadowJK | thinner and bigger battery dont combine :) |
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| 02:50.06 | cehteh | http://i.imgur.com/b1bJ9.jpg works :) |
| 02:50.21 | ShadowJK | but it'd be awesome to have a tool that tells user that the facebook widget and calendar widget alone drops battery life from 7 to 1 day :P |
| 02:50.27 | cehteh | ShadowJK: well yes, when you dont combine that with price :) |
| 02:50.44 | ShadowJK | even with money :P |
| 02:50.54 | blackthorne | Ok, to be perfect it also required a better touch Ui and compass |
| 02:51.41 | cehteh | calendar drops battery much? i didnt notice |
| 02:51.50 | cehteh | dont use facebook and other stuff |
| 02:51.56 | blackthorne | Which are the most greedy widgets when it comes to battery lifetime? |
| 02:52.21 | cehteh | any one wich needs regular updates over the web and doing fancy graphics for sue |
| 02:52.23 | cehteh | sure |
| 02:53.08 | cehteh | omweather .. but you can configure it conservatively and dont put it on your first (visible) desktop |
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| 02:54.03 | cehteh | the map widget sux power like no tomorrow .. gps and map downloads on and constant graphics updates |
| 02:54.51 | ShadowJK | and anything written by anyone that says things like "but I'm only using 0.5% cpu" |
| 02:54.59 | cehteh | yeah |
| 02:55.14 | cehteh | omweather got a lot better than in the beginning, the guys learned |
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| 07:51.55 | ieatlint | stares in astonishment at this single line of code: QPointer<QVBoxLayout> _layout = new QVBoxLayout; |
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| 07:56.35 | RobbieThe1st | ieatlint: What about it? |
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| 07:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | mooo |
| 08:00.45 | ieatlint | RobbieThe1st: not saying it's not valid, but to me it's a wtf, why not just use QVBoxLayout*? |
| 08:01.20 | RobbieThe1st | Have you tried replacing it with that and see if it works the same? |
| 08:01.55 | ieatlint | no, but i see the entire use of that var, and there's nothing else odd about it |
| 08:02.20 | ieatlint | except that it's the first time the original author declared a layout (or a widget) on the heap instead of the stack :( |
| 08:03.00 | RobbieThe1st | odd |
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| 08:33.41 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | moo Jaffa |
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| 08:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: sorry, that's way beyond what I understand about friggin C++ |
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| 08:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's about type of _layout var, to be a generic Qpointer rather that a particular QVBoxLayout ? |
| 08:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | err QVBoxLayout* |
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| 08:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe the simple C style deref pointervar* semantics doesn't work for Qobjects and their Qpointers? |
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| 08:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. QVBoxLayout* is a simple C pointer, not a QPointer ? |
| 08:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | meh, nevermind |
| 08:42.06 | ieatlint | yeah, qvboxlayout* is just like the c equiv |
| 08:42.22 | ieatlint | qpointer, in my semi-limited understanding, is equiv to gpointer |
| 08:43.08 | ieatlint | "A guarded pointer, QPointer<T>, behaves like a normal C++ pointer T *, except that it is automatically set to 0 when the referenced object is destroyed (unlike normal C++ pointers, which become "dangling pointers" in such cases). T must be a subclass of QObject" |
| 08:43.27 | ieatlint | heh, ok, so there is potential for that form being useful |
| 08:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | so that's it :-D |
| 08:43.39 | ieatlint | but it still makes no sense in this context :P |
| 08:45.25 | ieatlint | to give an idea, the main() function for this builds 95% of the gui itself, with all widgets are on the heap (and qt follows a similar parent-child relationship as gtk, so that's a big no-no) |
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| 09:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I know what's heap and stack, but I miss to follow your hidden rationale about widgets living in either of those |
| 09:02.19 | ieatlint | ah, well if you care, it a hierarchy.... eg, you have a window widget, so you place a box in it, and then a label in the box. then you destroy the window, so it destroys it's child (the box), which destroys its child, and so forth |
| 09:02.36 | ieatlint | memory management |
| 09:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | fine, so what's the problem with heap here? |
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| 09:04.26 | ieatlint | nothing, heap is mandatory... if you put something from the stack on there, the parent will try to free it at some point |
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| 09:04.32 | ieatlint | and that's a segfault |
| 09:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | as long as each object's ~destructor is called correctly I don't see the problem |
| 09:04.57 | ieatlint | bad programmers get away with it sometimes because simple guis don't destroy objects until you exit |
| 09:05.15 | ieatlint | but if you've ever had a gui app (linux or windows) that crashes when you quit... |
| 09:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | oh yeah, obviously objects won't love to live on stack |
| 09:07.00 | ieatlint | eh, it can be more dangerous than leaking a bit of memory |
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| 09:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | sure, I guess ~destructor would try to give the (stack!) memory back to heap manager, and when this one would accept it then it occasionally gets reallocated or whatever - you mustn't do this |
| 09:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | that's why you create objects with new() (=heap), rather than instantiating a simple new var (=stack) |
| 09:10.35 | ieatlint | doesn't ever accept it.. will always segfault |
| 09:11.35 | ieatlint | yeah, and when you want to confuse new programmers, you use alloca() |
| 09:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | but pointers to objects can live on stack, except if they are objects themselves ;-P |
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| 09:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, I ***love*** C++ |
| 09:13.29 | ieatlint | i only recently learnt of alloca(), the way to make variably-sized arrays on the stack without breaking c89 rules |
| 09:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | </irony> |
| 09:14.27 | ieatlint | heh, yeah, and i suck at c++ :( |
| 09:14.43 | ieatlint | i'm on the stage defined as "oh, it's like c, but with classes!" |
| 09:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
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| 09:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I found it rather funny when MohammadAG asked how to embed c into c++ - though it's maybe a valid question if only I understood enough of c++ |
| 09:16.59 | ieatlint | it is, i do it |
| 09:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | for me a c++ code is 60..90% plain c, with a few special extensions |
| 09:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | so I think you don't need any special embedding |
| 09:18.11 | ieatlint | to use c in c++, you do: extern "C" { <c code goes here } |
| 09:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | see? ignorant here |
| 09:18.56 | ieatlint | and it's common to then put that in a preprocessor of "#ifdef __cplusplus" |
| 09:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | waves and heads off for breakfast out |
| 09:19.12 | ieatlint | so that you can use the same code for regular c then without ever running into issue |
| 09:19.27 | ieatlint | enjoy :) |
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| 09:22.08 | psycho_oreos | gconf |
| 09:22.41 | soltys | how to get it ? |
| 09:23.43 | psycho_oreos | search on the forums/wiki for that enumerating a list of possible gconf settings |
| 09:23.52 | soltys | mhm |
| 09:23.53 | ieatlint | look around in /home/user/.gconf perhaps |
| 09:24.38 | ieatlint | or maybe that's .config, hehe |
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| 09:44.11 | Toadpole | how does one install meego with a non-standard kernel on the n900? |
| 09:45.02 | lcuk | Toadpole, you start by asking in #meego or #meego-arm, but in general the meego wiki pages explain differentiation and building images with kernel adaptions included |
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| 09:46.31 | Toadpole | great, thanks lcuk |
| 09:49.21 | billk | where can I go for help/information on a wifi problem with the power users kernel for the n900 ?? |
| 09:50.13 | Toadpole | whats the problem? |
| 09:51.09 | billk | no managed mode wifi, but works ok with mobile-hotspot. flash old kernel back and can connect to AP again |
| 09:51.32 | billk | cant see what problem is |
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| 10:50.20 | kerio | pong? |
| 10:51.20 | Venemo | kerio: you are good with Python, right? |
| 10:51.58 | kerio | kinda |
| 10:51.59 | kerio | why? |
| 10:52.10 | Venemo | I need some help regarding a Python thing |
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| 11:36.26 | soltys | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 11:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | click thanks on wiki ;-D |
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| 11:41.53 | haltdef | hrm, anyone noticed the media player swapping left and right audio channels for no apparent reason? |
| 11:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | hard to tell. You need to check the whole chain, esp your headset etc |
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| 11:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | attaching a weak 1.5V battery to tip and base of headphone jack will make the real left earpiece click |
| 11:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | then you need a media file (.wav, .mp3) that's definitely correct with test signals' assignment to channels |
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| 11:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | haltdef: I've seen ~50% of headphones having wrong channel assignment |
| 11:48.59 | haltdef | that's the thing, it's not a permanent thing, it just decides to change them around on its own |
| 11:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | seems esp cheap chinese brands do not care at all. Often there's no labels or marks whatsoever for left and right, leaving it up to your guess what's the correct orientation |
| 11:50.06 | haltdef | decent pair of sony earphones, happens on every other earphones I've tried too |
| 11:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | haltdef: errm, what? You say mediaplayer is swapping channels for the very same .mp3, from one playback to next? |
| 11:50.55 | haltdef | different mp3s, different times |
| 11:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'd accuse the .mp3 to be inverse stereo |
| 11:52.20 | haltdef | even if it sounds normal most of the time but swaps over what seems to be randomly? only on the n900? |
| 11:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | why do you assume .mp3 to be correct and mediaplayer to do nonsense? |
| 11:52.53 | haltdef | because the mp3 is fine everywhere else |
| 11:53.10 | haltdef | I change track and channels are still swapped |
| 11:53.59 | MohammadAG | mediaplayer doesn't do anything to play music |
| 11:54.02 | MohammadAG | mafw's playing everything |
| 11:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | err, as long as you don't have a single known good test mp3 file to select for playback every time you suspect something fishy, I'd not follow up on this report |
| 11:55.25 | haltdef | I hear you, will grab a left/right test mp3 from somewhere |
| 11:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | please ping me with your results and findings |
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| 11:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not deny possibility of a bug in PA or even ALSA, maybe regarding hw codec/mixer setup or sth |
| 11:57.14 | haltdef | noticed the n900 making my music sound different a while ago, only hit me last week the stereo channels were getting swapped :P |
| 11:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | there are several places where you could swap channels |
| 11:57.24 | haltdef | mm |
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| 11:57.42 | banoz | hi there |
| 11:57.59 | banoz | is it possible to port cmake 2.8 to maemo ? |
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| 12:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf mm |
| 12:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~mm |
| 12:00.14 | infobot | Shared Memory Library. URL: http://www.engelschall.com/sw/mm/ |
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| 12:01.43 | haltdef | got a wav on n900 with a voice saying "left right" over and over, normal now, just have to wait until weirdness happens and try then :P |
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| 12:09.09 | achipa | X-Fade: time has come to kick mscp into gear |
| 12:09.13 | X-Fade | achipa: Ok here then ;) |
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| 12:09.48 | X-Fade | achipa: So do I need to push some packages through the repo chain? |
| 12:10.27 | achipa | yes |
| 12:10.45 | achipa | so, in order: block promotions of stuff that depends on libqt4-bearer-hotfix, qtquickcompat |
| 12:11.03 | achipa | and then push those two to extras |
| 12:11.15 | achipa | then we test mscp, and if it's okay, we push that too |
| 12:11.27 | achipa | at least that's the plan :) |
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| 12:12.02 | X-Fade | achipa: What is the reasoning behind block them first? |
| 12:12.53 | achipa | just to avoid a race condition, but if you think you can do the promotion reasonably soonish, then the order is irrelevant |
| 12:13.16 | achipa | the point being that we should not have apps directly dependent on them in testing or extras |
| 12:13.17 | X-Fade | I can script it. So it could be fast. |
| 12:14.30 | X-Fade | achipa: Can you provide a list of exact package names and versions that need to get pushed? |
| 12:15.47 | achipa | X-Fade: qtquickcompat 0.1.0 and libqt4-bearer-hotfix 4.7.0~git20101112-0maemo1 |
| 12:16.30 | achipa | of course, these might get updated in which case I'll poke you again :) |
| 12:16.57 | X-Fade | achipa: Sure. |
| 12:17.34 | achipa | (the important part of these updates being promoted in a synced manner, not by automatic dependency pulling - hence the need for a block) |
| 12:17.55 | banoz | does anyone know why with maemo and using cmake, sometimes no .so files are generated? |
| 12:18.21 | X-Fade | achipa: yeah, but if I push them then they will be there instantly. |
| 12:18.28 | achipa | exactly |
| 12:18.57 | achipa | also, bergie said something about poking you if I need some tweaks for the REST interface part |
| 12:19.08 | achipa | you up for a few mods ? :) |
| 12:19.37 | achipa | nothing big, just want to avoid multiple queries in kisstester that make it slow |
| 12:21.29 | alterego | wonders why every one and their mother has to create a new thread every time there is a new phone announced (that's not even Nokia ffs) |
| 12:21.41 | X-Fade | achipa: Sure, can you file a bug with those so I don't forget? |
| 12:22.10 | RST38h | X-Fade: the qthello wart still occurs |
| 12:22.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: "size mismatch" for v1.1.1 |
| 12:22.25 | alterego | I think Nokia knew that t.m.o was going to become a crap hole and decided, in MeeGo, to make it much more clear in regards to developer and user seperation. |
| 12:22.39 | achipa | X-Fade: aye |
| 12:22.53 | X-Fade | lunch brb |
| 12:22.58 | RST38h | You are saying tmo is a craphole. I am saying it is a living community. |
| 12:23.44 | alterego | I may be being a bit harsh, I'm not in the best of moods. |
| 12:23.48 | RST38h | And if Nokia does not like communities consisting of real, chatting, conjecturing, bullshitting, etc people, it is their problem |
| 12:23.59 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:24.11 | alterego | Yes, I never really thought of it like that ;) |
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| 12:24.37 | RST38h | And yes I understand that from the management point of view it is way better to have a community made of corporate employees told to go and create a community |
| 12:24.43 | alterego | It would certainly be easier to follow though if it was just the 10 active maemo app developers :D |
| 12:24.58 | banoz | /j #kinect |
| 12:26.45 | Jaffa | RST38h: There's a culture on TMO though of "ooh, shiny thing" without being sufficiently worried about what it'll do to their primary phone. |
| 12:27.03 | Jaffa | RST38h: And then said user moans about newbie complexity when somehting else breaks. |
| 12:27.11 | Jaffa | RST38h: And, like typical users, they don't read the docs. |
| 12:27.18 | Jaffa | is also perhaps not in the best of moods ;-) |
| 12:27.35 | lcuk | slides bacon buttie over |
| 12:27.53 | Jaffa | Ta. Much better. |
| 12:27.54 | alterego | Ooh, I'm actually eating a fish finger sandwich |
| 12:27.59 | Jaffa | Aww, unfair. |
| 12:28.16 | Jaffa | had a Swedish sausage, topped with cheese and stuff, with gravy and mash potato. |
| 12:28.22 | Jaffa | But that was two hours ago :-( |
| 12:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | haltdef: speaker-test http://paste.debian.net/106207/ alas probably not available and also maybe not even applicable for maemo armel & PA |
| 12:29.23 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:29.50 | RST38h | Jaffa: Yes,I am well aware of the notion that 90% of tmo posters aremindless vermin |
| 12:29.58 | alterego | I am bit too hungover for life today |
| 12:30.02 | RST38h | Jaffa: Also aware of the Sturgeon's law |
| 12:30.52 | RST38h | Jaffa: Still, you want a community made of live people? Here is your community. Want to segregate it by merit a little bit? No problem, look at devianart for how it can be done, for example. |
| 12:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | passes alterego a glass of vodka with lemon |
| 12:31.14 | alterego | Urgh, no thanks |
| 12:31.22 | alterego | Too much vodka last night |
| 12:32.00 | alterego | vodka + guinness + sambucca |
| 12:32.11 | Appiah | gj |
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| 12:32.44 | Jaffa | RST38h: I don't suggest that 90% of tmo posters are mindless vermin, FWIW. |
| 12:32.46 | RST38h | Jaffa: And if you just want all of them to shut up, you have got meego.com :) |
| 12:32.48 | Jaffa | RST38h: Maybe 90% of posts ;-) |
| 12:33.07 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:33.18 | RST38h | Jaffa: Nice, quiet, positive, business like, and you can fire people for talkingtoo much! |
| 12:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: trust me - I know how to deal with that :-D |
| 12:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | trows an Aspirin into that vodka lemon |
| 12:36.19 | alterego | Hahah |
| 12:36.25 | alterego | Nice :P |
| 12:37.08 | alterego | #meego-handset |
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| 12:37.16 | alterego | Erm ... whoops |
| 12:41.15 | achipa | MohammadAG: heya, poked people so the marge request should be in |
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| 12:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | marge request: http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/8/830/F52Y000Z/poster/the-simpsons-marge.jpg |
| 12:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
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| 13:06.42 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf, bugs in alsaped.conf - wonder whether and where to report |
| 13:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | grep tvut /usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/alsaped.conf |
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| 13:20.53 | pupnik | ok one of the fun things to type into youtube is "Feynman" |
| 13:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | grep -n 'ihfandheadset = @outband_cancellation@' /usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/alsaped.conf |
| 13:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | hey Feynman, my alter ego |
| 13:22.43 | pupnik | :) |
| 13:22.51 | pupnik | Adventures of a Curious Character |
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| 13:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | A friend of mine donnated me the book "you must be joking, Mr Feynman". He told me the first few chapters he thought the book is about me :-) |
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| 13:39.52 | E0x | DocScrutinizer: he must be joking, Mr DocScrutinizer. |
| 13:43.56 | MohammadAG | achipa, cool :D |
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| 13:45.13 | X-Fade | achipa: packages pushed. |
| 13:47.00 | alterego | Heh, I'm not even planning to promote Columbus but it's already gor 9/10 votes :D |
| 13:47.43 | E0x | MohammadAG: hi , the package of hildon-desktop with the desaturize instead of blur get keybinding broke |
| 13:47.51 | E0x | or maybe i miss something |
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| 13:49.07 | E0x | i mean , now i can't use ctrl+back for taskmanager call , or just beging type for contact search |
| 13:52.46 | MohammadAG | E0x, gconf-schemas --register hildon-desktop-keys.schemas |
| 13:52.58 | MohammadAG | run that as root and reboot/killall hildon-desktop |
| 13:55.18 | E0x | MohammadAG: cool , thx work just fine.. |
| 13:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | gconf-schemas --register - WAAAAAH a new g* spell |
| 13:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke g* |
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| 14:17.36 | Venemo | lol DocScrutinizer |
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| 14:43.10 | lardman | how bright are compilers? |
| 14:43.23 | lcuk | lardman, hmm |
| 14:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: 42 |
| 14:44.03 | lardman | e.g. is it better to declare my inner for loop iterator inside the for loops or declare once at the start of the fn |
| 14:44.09 | lardman | and then add 42 of course |
| 14:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | usually a good compiler should optimize out such things, unless explicitly instructed not to do |
| 14:45.56 | lardman | ok, well we'll see how good MATLAB's lcc compiler is then |
| 14:46.00 | kerio | gcc -O11 -ffast-math -funroll-all-loops -fblazing-balls-of-holy-awesomeness |
| 14:46.12 | lardman | Windows I'm afraid |
| 14:46.18 | lardman | though I could install gcc I guess |
| 14:47.07 | SpeedEvil | Look at the generated code. |
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| 14:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | always a good idea |
| 14:47.27 | lardman | yep |
| 14:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | or simply write sensible code |
| 14:47.51 | lardman | well that's why I was asking |
| 14:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | basicaly there's for sure no *advantage* to do things that need to be done once, inside a for loop |
| 14:48.49 | lardman | except if it makes it easier for the compiler to optimise it away |
| 14:48.56 | lardman | that was my only thought |
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| 14:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | so how could that open opportunities to optimize - except moving that crap outside of the loop where it belongs nayway? |
| 14:50.06 | lardman | two loops, one inside the other |
| 14:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | define "declare inner for loop iterator" |
| 14:51.59 | lardman | for(x=x_start;x<x_len,++x) for(y=y_start;y<t_len:++y) do something |
| 14:52.20 | lardman | so whether to declare y within the first loop, in the hope of making the compiler's life easier |
| 14:52.29 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.59 | SpeedEvil | Is there any reason you're doing ++y? |
| 14:53.11 | DocScrutinizer | like in for(int x=x_start;x<x_len,++x) for(int y=y_start;y<t_len:++y) ? |
| 14:53.12 | lardman | no, typo |
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| 14:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | you'll probably need to compare assembler output of both versions |
| 14:55.31 | lardman | ok, as I feared |
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| 14:55.40 | lardman | but not to worry, cycles are cheap |
| 14:55.58 | SpeedEvil | Or bench |
| 14:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | bench = PITA |
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| 14:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | asm listing FTW |
| 14:56.43 | lardman | The difference in time will be miniscule, I was just wondering as I move this code from MATLAB to C |
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| 14:57.22 | RST38h | lardman: You do not want to free yourself from MATLAB runtime? =) |
| 14:57.47 | lardman | MATLAB is good for visualisation, so this is in a mex file |
| 15:00.06 | SpeedEvil | Do several implementations. Pick which one wins at first run. |
| 15:00.26 | SpeedEvil | This way you have all sorts of fun hardware dependant bugs, depending on random stuff. |
| 15:00.35 | lardman | as the code takes ~8min to run and this is just setup code, I think it probably won't matter too much |
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| 15:04.41 | lardman | curses the fact MATLAB uses () for array elements |
| 15:05.07 | `Ika_Musume | uhm guys yesterday i was asking howto format my sd rite? but how come my phone name changes to this http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/2404/screenshot2011020116043.png |
| 15:05.17 | `Ika_Musume | how can i change that |
| 15:05.59 | lardman | hmm |
| 15:06.00 | SpeedEvil | Funky |
| 15:06.39 | lardman | well you'll never confuse it with a humble flash drive when you've got it attached to your desktop |
| 15:07.02 | `Ika_Musume | huh? |
| 15:08.55 | `Ika_Musume | anyaways can anyone help me change it? |
| 15:09.42 | lardman | Mount it on a desktop PC and change the name there? |
| 15:09.57 | SpeedEvil | dosfslabel on the n900 should do it |
| 15:10.04 | `Ika_Musume | well there its called n900 |
| 15:10.54 | SpeedEvil | dosfslabel /dev/mmcblk0p1 fish |
| 15:11.06 | SpeedEvil | Will rename the thing fish |
| 15:12.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | fishy |
| 15:12.37 | `Ika_Musume | lol |
| 15:13.04 | `Ika_Musume | it stay the same |
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| 15:13.19 | SpeedEvil | you wil need to unplug and replug it |
| 15:13.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe even need to reboot it |
| 15:13.50 | `Ika_Musume | how its the main memory of n900 |
| 15:14.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I doubt |
| 15:14.07 | `Ika_Musume | reboot i can do |
| 15:14.33 | lardman | The "main memory" is the partition you just tried to rename, i.e. ~/MyDocs |
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| 15:15.18 | `Ika_Musume | well its the 32 internal memory |
| 15:15.22 | `Ika_Musume | not an sd |
| 15:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | umm, no. That's in HFM |
| 15:15.54 | cos^ | heh, maemo 5 sdk installer isn't working very well. it opens in text editor if opened by default. i set it as executable and running it does nothing |
| 15:15.56 | `Ika_Musume | if you say so |
| 15:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | HFM transcodes whatever is in partition label, it's using an own definition of that |
| 15:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what it's based on, maybe /etc/hostname |
| 15:16.36 | cos^ | "run in terminal" asks "Do you want to install missing package "python-qt4"? (Type "y" to install) "..and selecting y closes the installer |
| 15:17.13 | lardman | cos^: running as root? |
| 15:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | there are other config files as well, for that |
| 15:17.21 | cos^ | lardman: of course not |
| 15:17.34 | lardman | cos^: well iirc you have to run it with sudo.... |
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| 15:18.08 | cos^ | lardman: ok.. now it asks to run as root after i installed python-qt4 manually |
| 15:18.19 | cos^ | not very great user experience |
| 15:18.24 | lardman | they should have put their check earlier |
| 15:18.50 | cos^ | naturally it doesn't offer to escalate the privileges, so it has to be run from console anyway |
| 15:19.17 | cos^ | why bother write a install wizard, if it needs to be run from console |
| 15:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | `Ika_Musume: I suggest a ``grep -r BCM2048 /etc /home/user'' |
| 15:25.16 | lardman | does the partition need to be umounted before that dos-namey thing will work? |
| 15:25.18 | `Ika_Musume | uhh |
| 15:25.29 | `Ika_Musume | ill try |
| 15:26.06 | lardman | wonders how well that copy&replace MATLAB->C conversion just worked.... |
| 15:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how `Ika_Musume managed to get such a weird name in HFM |
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| 15:32.50 | `Ika_Musume | idk |
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| 15:34.50 | `Ika_Musume | btw nothing happends |
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| 15:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, home/user probably is useless anyway |
| 15:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | to grep there, that is |
| 15:37.34 | `Ika_Musume | ohwell |
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| 15:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | ^C |
| 15:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 15:40.38 | `Ika_Musume | its only in the phone , mass memory is called n900 |
| 15:40.41 | `Ika_Musume | on pc |
| 15:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | if only I could recall where I've seen this friggin naming definitions for HFM |
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| 15:41.32 | lardman | Somewhere under settings iirc one can change the device name |
| 15:41.43 | lardman | e.g. Bluetooth |
| 15:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but only bluetooth |
| 15:42.09 | lardman | perhaps it's used for more than that? |
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| 15:44.13 | `Ika_Musume | lol it is |
| 15:44.22 | RST38h | lardman: nah |
| 15:44.25 | `Ika_Musume | so bluetooth name eh |
| 15:44.40 | RST38h | lardman: the actual name is also changeable via some file in /etcthough |
| 15:44.48 | lardman | yep |
| 15:45.04 | `Ika_Musume | i changed bt and it worked |
| 15:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | meh, so why didn't the grep work then? |
| 15:45.27 | `Ika_Musume | dunno |
| 15:45.51 | lardman | and your device will be fishy when you next use mass storage :) |
| 15:45.51 | `Ika_Musume | maby not the right plugins? |
| 15:46.16 | `Ika_Musume | well im happy that its back to its old name |
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| 16:08.44 | RST38h | Heh...Apple barred Sony's eReader app from its app store. |
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| 16:17.32 | banoz | hi there |
| 16:17.38 | banoz | can you tell me how to install strace? |
| 16:18.00 | banoz | I used apt-get install strace but I get: tpackage strace is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:19.00 | SpeedEvil | tools repository |
| 16:19.23 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
| 16:19.29 | banoz | uhm |
| 16:20.24 | banoz | package seems strace.. |
| 16:21.36 | SpeedEvil | strace is there, once you enable the repo |
| 16:21.53 | banoz | I enabled |
| 16:22.48 | banoz | my sources.list contains: # fremantle tools |
| 16:22.48 | banoz | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 16:22.49 | banoz | # fremantle tools sources |
| 16:22.49 | banoz | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free |
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| 16:29.11 | RST38h | Indian students duped by Tri-Valley University in California have been fitted with GPS devices by US immigration authorities. |
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| 16:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# apt-cache policy strace |
| 16:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | strace: |
| 16:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.19 | vi_ | so, anyone gona port trem to the n900? |
| 18:20.30 | wmarone-n900 | trem? |
| 18:20.38 | vi_ | tremulous! |
| 18:22.34 | vi_ | has anyone else noticed the massive bug with kernel-config script yet? |
| 18:22.36 | merlin1991 | vi_, is the current trem ioquake3 based or did they move to xreal? |
| 18:22.49 | vi_ | it is ioquake |
| 18:23.04 | vi_ | but debian armel does not use opengles |
| 18:23.20 | vi_ | so there is no hardw. accel. |
| 18:23.34 | vi_ | making 0.25 fps |
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| 18:24.09 | vi_ | you follow? |
| 18:24.14 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 18:24.22 | vi_ | so how do i make it use opengles? |
| 18:24.33 | vi_ | a magic symlink or two? |
| 18:24.39 | merlin1991 | rebuild from sratch I fear |
| 18:24.50 | vi_ | or does the code need to be altered? |
| 18:24.58 | vi_ | lame |
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| 18:25.19 | merlin1991 | afaik there are asm parts in the x86 code wich you have to convert |
| 18:25.47 | merlin1991 | also you'd have to get around opt / rootfs limitations |
| 18:25.47 | vi_ | there is already an arm port of trem thatruns |
| 18:26.08 | vi_ | my rootfs is 10GB XD |
| 18:26.19 | merlin1991 | well common user rootfs is smallish :) |
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| 18:26.49 | merlin1991 | but I think with the right tweaks in the fs code of the engine you could have all the data files in MyDocs |
| 18:27.14 | vi_ | there is an arm port of trem that runs but without HW accel. |
| 18:27.26 | vi_ | all trem data is stored in home directory |
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| 18:27.52 | vi_ | only 400k binary is in rootfs space |
| 18:28.18 | vi_ | (excuse my tersness, i am on the n900) |
| 18:28.52 | merlin1991 | is the data in /home/user or in /home/user/MyDocs |
| 18:29.05 | merlin1991 | because /home/user would still be limited to 2 gb |
| 18:29.13 | vi_ | anyway i have put a 50$ bounty on maemo talk for the first dev who can get me tremming. |
| 18:29.20 | merlin1991 | hrhr |
| 18:29.26 | merlin1991 | I think I have something to hack on :) |
| 18:29.34 | vi_ | the data will be in the users home directory |
| 18:29.52 | vi_ | it is only 100mb anyway |
| 18:29.52 | merlin1991 | talk link? |
| 18:30.34 | vi_ | uh, i am on irssi on n900. cant paste links so easy. just search maemo talk for the work bounty |
| 18:30.52 | vi_ | ^word |
| 18:31.23 | merlin1991 | xchat > irssi ;) |
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| 18:32.13 | fellu | irssi > * |
| 18:32.21 | fellu | vi_, why you cant paste links easy? |
| 18:32.24 | fellu | Just paste o.o |
| 18:32.52 | fellu | click on the "X Terminal" and then paste o.o |
| 18:33.09 | fellu | Not so hard |
| 18:33.14 | merlin1991 | fellu my main concern wit irssi on the n900 is, the time I tried it I couldn't get it to switch channel tab :D |
| 18:33.32 | fellu | :D |
| 18:33.40 | fellu | there is esc for that |
| 18:33.43 | fellu | on the touch screen |
| 18:33.47 | fellu | esc + 1 |
| 18:33.51 | fellu | do same the alt + 1 |
| 18:33.59 | fellu | esc is like alt in irssi |
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| 18:34.50 | fellu | hard to join to all channels again and again with different client I use at home .P |
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| 18:40.04 | vi_ | whadya think bro? |
| 18:42.18 | andre__ | vi_: that your spellchecker is broken |
| 18:42.53 | vi_ | bleh |
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| 18:43.12 | vi_ | well the offer is legit anyways |
| 18:43.37 | merlin1991 | well I'll give it a try anyway |
| 18:43.51 | merlin1991 | time I finally read that opengles book I own :) |
| 18:44.22 | vi_ | :) |
| 18:47.29 | vi_ | a |
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| 18:53.41 | vi_ | i wish there was an email solution that didnt totally suck balls |
| 18:55.16 | vi_ | i wish there was an email solution that didnt totally suck balls |
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| 18:56.49 | lardman|home | anyone know of anything that can take assembly language (i.e. objdump output) and output pseudo-C ? |
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| 18:57.14 | vi_ | lol |
| 18:57.59 | vi_ | what you are talking about is the mad dream of a feverish reverse engineer(ist) |
| 18:58.22 | lardman|home | it's quite doable, just wondering if someone's actually bothered to do it |
| 18:58.41 | vi_ | actually, it isnt |
| 18:58.51 | vi_ | what architecture? |
| 18:58.53 | lardman|home | rally? why not? |
| 18:58.53 | lcuk | int d1,d2,d3,d4; |
| 18:58.56 | lardman|home | really even |
| 18:59.00 | lcuk | int *a1,a2,a3,a4; |
| 18:59.01 | lcuk | ;) |
| 18:59.10 | lcuk | should add more *s |
| 18:59.17 | lardman|home | lcuk: exactly, was just how the opo revtran output used to look :) |
| 18:59.29 | lcuk | shudders |
| 18:59.52 | lcuk | mind you, i have written similar in visual basic |
| 18:59.54 | lcuk | hides |
| 19:00.02 | vi_ | well the best you can get is ida pro (if you can convince them to sell it to you) |
| 19:00.19 | lardman|home | yes, and you need the add on thingy afaik |
| 19:00.23 | vi_ | then lateraly ollie dbg, but for x86 only |
| 19:00.29 | lardman|home | aqualung used to work, but not now |
| 19:01.11 | vi_ | well if ya already know why are you asking? |
| 19:01.13 | lardman|home | is /sys/class/sec/ Android only, or do we see that under normal Linux? |
| 19:01.25 | lardman|home | vi_: I'd like something that works better |
| 19:01.46 | lardman|home | and without ida |
| 19:02.00 | vi_ | compilation isnt like a one-way-hash its more of a rubiks cube |
| 19:02.16 | vi_ | there are many ways to arrive at the final construct |
| 19:02.39 | lardman|home | I know that, I don't expect to run it, tweak one line and be able to re-compile |
| 19:03.01 | lardman|home | but it is tiring looking at assembly all the time |
| 19:03.03 | vi_ | well if there is a better prog then i dont know it |
| 19:03.09 | vi_ | yup |
| 19:03.24 | vi_ | get used to it bro |
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| 19:03.40 | lardman|home | I wish I'd not left my laptop at work, sounds like a decent little project while my wife's watching silent witness |
| 19:03.55 | vi_ | uk huh! |
| 19:04.00 | lardman|home | yep |
| 19:04.05 | vi_ | woot |
| 19:04.16 | vi_ | what are you trying to reverse? |
| 19:04.26 | lardman|home | Galaxy Tab init |
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| 19:05.58 | vi_ | ooooft |
| 19:06.09 | vi_ | well good luck with that! |
| 19:06.23 | lardman|home | it will be easy enough, init is not very large |
| 19:06.31 | vi_ | why |
| 19:06.51 | lardman|home | because it does things that the released code does not |
| 19:07.25 | lardman|home | it knows whether you've held down a key to enable recovery mode, I want to intercept that and start Meego in that case, otherwise exec the existing Android init |
| 19:08.12 | lardman|home | so really I could just do it all with strings output, but it would be nicer to have something that generates pseudo-code, which is what I think everytime I do this |
| 19:10.19 | lardman|home | hmm, impressive, objdump seems to have output an awful lot of "undefined instruction"s |
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| 19:20.01 | makulkar | alterego, hey are you around? |
| 19:22.01 | timeless_xchat | so, anyone here going to fosdem? |
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| 19:25.34 | alterego | makulkar: yup |
| 19:25.40 | alterego | makulkar: what's up? |
| 19:25.58 | makulkar | alterego, awesome.. need a quick help! |
| 19:26.20 | alterego | Sure, go ahead |
| 19:26.24 | makulkar | alterego, apt-get install/source in scratchbox failed for me. Saying 404 error and packages not authenticated! |
| 19:27.09 | alterego | did you start by doing apt-get update? |
| 19:27.31 | alterego | Have you made any modifications to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:27.42 | makulkar | alterego, yes |
| 19:28.10 | alterego | Can you pastebin.com the contents of your sources.list file |
| 19:28.11 | makulkar | alterego, i had run update before. Trying agian now |
| 19:29.17 | makulkar | alterego, Great! did update and then apt-get source worked.. |
| 19:29.23 | makulkar | alterego, thanks once again! |
| 19:30.02 | alterego | No problem ;) |
| 19:30.18 | vi_ | alterego, i have put a bounty up on maemo talk for tremulous |
| 19:30.42 | vi_ | somone yesterday said you may be interested |
| 19:31.00 | vi_ | just a headsup :) |
| 19:31.00 | alterego | I'll have a look :) |
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| 19:31.14 | vi_ | just search for bounty |
| 19:31.19 | alterego | Cool |
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| 19:45.17 | N900dude | Yo |
| 19:45.47 | N900dude | the n900 sucks ballz |
| 19:45.58 | RST38h | ok |
| 19:46.21 | RST38h | Got anything else to say? |
| 19:46.36 | Albundy | Ya |
| 19:46.49 | vi_ | on the contrary sir, you mother sucks ballz. mine to be precise. |
| 19:47.31 | SpeedEvil | Mine doesn't. |
| 19:47.40 | SpeedEvil | It's in my pocket right now. |
| 19:48.12 | Albundy | Its a PO |
| 19:48.14 | Albundy | Pos |
| 19:48.23 | vi_ | woah, how can i getz n9oo to suck mi ballz pls |
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| 19:48.35 | Albundy | Everything slow and clunky man |
| 19:49.15 | vi_ | what is? |
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| 19:49.28 | vi_ | basicaly n900 is not for noobs |
| 19:49.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | what do you intend by noob? |
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| 19:50.11 | GNUtoo|laptop | someone could argue that smartphones are not for noobs |
| 19:50.25 | vi_ | just n9oo is not for noobz |
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| 19:50.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes but what kind of people is a noobz? it has a GUI etc... |
| 19:51.04 | vi_ | unfortunatly you need to learn a thing or two before you can exploit its full potential |
| 19:51.12 | FoneMan | You dudes dont like a discussion, do yous? You just insult people, do ya? |
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| 19:51.43 | vi_ | people who constantly go on the forum complaining about permissions |
| 19:51.46 | GNUtoo|laptop | why do "noobs" need to exploit the full potential |
| 19:52.00 | vi_ | -_- |
| 19:52.07 | vi_ | they dont |
| 19:52.18 | FoneMan | Whut? |
| 19:52.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes, and why is it an issue? |
| 19:52.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | I mean it won't be different with other devices |
| 19:52.53 | FoneMan | N900 slow for me why? |
| 19:52.54 | vi_ | they hear us banging on about how ace the n900 is only to be horrified that it doesnt set itself up |
| 19:53.25 | vi_ | a complex tool requires effort to learn ro use effectivly |
| 19:53.59 | FoneMan | N900 aint complex man |
| 19:54.02 | vi_ | ok, shoot it foneman. why does your n900 suck? |
| 19:54.04 | GNUtoo|laptop | for instance take android |
| 19:54.08 | GNUtoo|laptop | android is complex too |
| 19:54.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | it has multiple screens |
| 19:54.16 | vi_ | wut? |
| 19:54.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | and need learning from non-tecnical people |
| 19:54.28 | vi_ | that is not what i am talking about |
| 19:54.29 | GNUtoo|laptop | it's no different |
| 19:54.46 | vi_ | a fucking chimp can operate androind and maemo |
| 19:54.46 | FoneMan | Because the stylus is crap and screen is a disaster |
| 19:54.47 | GNUtoo|laptop | <vi_> that is not what i am talking about -> that's why I asked to define a noob |
| 19:55.07 | lcuk | adores the n900 screen |
| 19:55.12 | lcuk | its touchable and precise :) |
| 19:55.21 | FoneMan | Resistive screen in 2011 seriously dude |
| 19:55.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | too like resistive touchscreen |
| 19:55.33 | vi_ | for example writing cron jobs and upstart scripts to automate the phone=advanced |
| 19:55.42 | GNUtoo|laptop | they are the way to go if you want to leverage GNU/Linux applications |
| 19:55.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | else everything must be rewriten |
| 19:55.53 | FoneMan | 600 mhz procesor is for pussies dude |
| 19:55.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | which isn't great |
| 19:55.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | you end up with something like android |
| 19:56.02 | lcuk | FoneMan, ok, my only misgiving about capacitive is the low resolution |
| 19:56.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | where you have a market |
| 19:56.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | and most of the stuff that is on the market is properitary |
| 19:56.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | and I bet not free as in cost too but I didn't verify |
| 19:56.36 | vi_ | yes 600mhz is for pussies -_- |
| 19:56.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | but on the other hand |
| 19:56.43 | lcuk | i don't care *what* technology it ends up being, but a high precision pen for times its needed is important. |
| 19:56.45 | makulkar | alterego, btw, could you point me to all code of columbus example you gave me if possible? |
| 19:56.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | their base is more free |
| 19:56.51 | FoneMan | Everything just crawls on the n900 like a frikin turtle |
| 19:56.52 | GNUtoo|laptop | as in freedom |
| 19:56.57 | GNUtoo|laptop | vi seem a troll |
| 19:57.00 | lcuk | runs laptops at 600 and 800mhz respectively |
| 19:57.01 | vi_ | you were probably conceived on a 233mhz pii |
| 19:57.21 | vi_ | i am a troll? |
| 19:57.22 | lcuk | vi_, i wish more people were |
| 19:57.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | and it's an armv7 |
| 19:57.28 | GNUtoo|laptop | vi_, yes it seem so |
| 19:57.37 | lcuk | if you were, your apps would be dreamy on 600mhz |
| 19:57.59 | lcuk | think back just a few years: amigas had 7mhz |
| 19:58.02 | GNUtoo|laptop | armv7 with NEON + linaro gcc patch is very fast |
| 19:58.11 | GNUtoo|laptop | take an openmoko freerunner |
| 19:58.15 | GNUtoo|laptop | it has 400Mhz |
| 19:58.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | and armv4 |
| 19:58.20 | FoneMan | Its a plastick brick that squeeks like an old duck |
| 19:58.23 | vi_ | because i had the audacity to suggest that while n900 has more potential it is proportionally harder to use said potential? |
| 19:58.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | that is slow |
| 19:58.42 | vi_ | perhaps the chap saying 600mhz is for pussies is the troll |
| 19:58.46 | vi_ | you noob |
| 19:59.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | vi_, yes |
| 19:59.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | sorry |
| 19:59.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | I do 2 things at once |
| 19:59.37 | vi_ | np breh |
| 19:59.44 | GNUtoo|laptop | so I tought it was you that was saying that |
| 19:59.57 | vi_ | i like to argue too much :) |
| 20:00.18 | FoneMan | Dont matter who saying what the thing is n900 sucks ballz people |
| 20:00.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | basically imagine you want to make a device that can leverage GNU/Linux applications |
| 20:00.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | you need high resolution and capacitive touchscreen |
| 20:00.51 | GNUtoo|laptop | and an hardware keyboard is great too |
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| 20:01.08 | FoneMan | The fone part is a disaster everytime i get a call the screen becomes jibberish and shit |
| 20:01.28 | GNUtoo|laptop | I never used the phone part on maemo |
| 20:01.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | so I can't tell |
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| 20:02.41 | vi_ | ignore foneman |
| 20:02.49 | FoneMan | No more support for n900 either sucks man |
| 20:02.53 | vi_ | foneman is ass |
| 20:03.02 | RST38h | Google is planning to hire "dozens" of software engineers, product managers, user-interface experts and "others who have ideas for mobile apps," and it's apparently already shifted some of its current employees to work in this new "apps lab." |
| 20:03.08 | vi_ | why do you need a cap touch screen? |
| 20:03.16 | RST38h | How interesting |
| 20:03.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | FoneMan, that's because a lot of the base system is non-free, so try meego or SHR |
| 20:03.34 | vi_ | seriously |
| 20:03.39 | FoneMan | Coz i dont wanna be fuckin around with a stylus |
| 20:03.40 | vi_ | ignore foneman |
| 20:04.00 | Sicelo | agrees with vi_ about FoneMan |
| 20:04.00 | vi_ | (fwd slash)ignore foneman |
| 20:04.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | why did you buy an n900 if you don't like stylus |
| 20:04.12 | vi_ | and he will fuck off |
| 20:04.27 | vi_ | i like the stylus |
| 20:04.46 | vi_ | whos beefin on le stylo |
| 20:04.49 | vi_ | ? |
| 20:05.26 | FoneMan | Whut? |
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| 20:11.19 | kerio | beefs on le stylo |
| 20:11.23 | kerio | whatever that means |
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| 20:12.24 | kerio | i actually almost never use the stylus |
| 20:12.30 | kerio | i pretty much always use the finger |
| 20:12.50 | vi_ | except with MC right!!!! |
| 20:13.00 | kerio | ? |
| 20:13.03 | SpeedEvil | I use the stylus. |
| 20:13.07 | SpeedEvil | But only to kill. |
| 20:14.16 | RST38h | Speed: How come you did not tell him who you kill with your stylus? |
| 20:14.21 | FoneMan | No stylus? How? |
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| 20:14.53 | vi_ | holy shit there is some balls stirring |
| 20:15.04 | vi_ | flash 10.1 |
| 20:15.12 | vi_ | from meego |
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| 20:15.21 | vi_ | on the forum |
| 20:17.54 | kerio | vi_: emacs is better than you, btw |
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| 20:19.37 | wmarone | vi_: iirc, the one that's getting passed around is the TI evaluation binary |
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| 20:35.03 | SpeedEvil | The binary does not have accelleration - so ... |
| 20:35.41 | Venemo | who cares about flash anyway? |
| 20:36.31 | wmarone-n900 | lots of people, sadly |
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| 20:38.32 | Venemo | heh |
| 20:38.37 | Venemo | it is a nice thing to have, yes |
| 20:38.42 | Venemo | but not that important |
| 20:38.51 | Venemo | most flash on the net I block with adblock anyway :P |
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| 20:44.12 | jaska | looks like some forumadolfs removed the links |
| 20:45.31 | Jaffa | jaska: Sod off |
| 20:46.10 | Jaffa | jaska: a) it's piracy; b) the Community Council is *trying* to get a proper release and TI have requested that they don't get contacted by random people (and randoms distributing their IP won't help) |
| 20:46.45 | luke-jr | it's not piracy. |
| 20:46.47 | luke-jr | stop spreading FUD |
| 20:47.07 | wmarone | luke-jr: it's being distributed in violation of the license agreement, whatever it is, it has no place on TMO |
| 20:47.28 | luke-jr | copyright infringement is one thing, piracy is another. |
| 20:47.40 | Jaffa | luke-jr: "piracy" is a common (even if historically inaccurate) term for the distribution of software in violation of the copyright holder's license and agreement. |
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| 20:47.56 | wmarone | well if you want to correct that, you'll have to go back 300 years :P |
| 20:48.01 | Venemo | is there anyone who is good with X keymaps? |
| 20:48.08 | luke-jr | Jaffa: not merely historically. presently wrong. |
| 20:48.10 | SpeedEvil | yarrrr! |
| 20:48.24 | luke-jr | it is common FUD that should not be encouraged or spread |
| 20:48.32 | wmarone | whatever |
| 20:48.47 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: you disagree that it's piracy, or you disagree that it's being distributed in violation of copyright? |
| 20:48.51 | luke-jr | copyright infringement is *nothing* compared to piracy |
| 20:48.58 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I disagree that it's piracy. |
| 20:49.03 | luke-jr | piracy is raiding ships at high seas, etc |
| 20:49.19 | luke-jr | generally involves murder and other serious criminal activity |
| 20:49.35 | luke-jr | copyright infringement is not even criminal, let alone gravely immoral as piracy is. |
| 20:49.40 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Yes, I was implying that people distributing Flash 10 were rapists. |
| 20:49.53 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Stop arguing for the sake of it. |
| 20:50.04 | luke-jr | Jaffa: fine. then stop spreading FUD |
| 20:51.02 | SpeedEvil | is unsure what point luke-jr is arguing. |
| 20:51.29 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: merely that copyright infringement shouldn't even be *compared* to piracy, let alone equated. |
| 20:51.30 | SpeedEvil | You want to defend the good name of Pirates, who did not ever infringe copyright, just looted, and pillaged? |
| 20:52.05 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: No, the good name of copyright infringers. |
| 20:52.06 | luke-jr | copyright infringement is merely the violation of a civil law, that has no moral relevance beyond obedience to State. |
| 20:52.36 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: And that the colloquial usage of "piracy" on an IRC channel when someone else uses the term "forumadolfs" is perfectly suitable and substantive. |
| 20:54.23 | Jaffa | s/\./ to argue about./ |
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| 21:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | maa |
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| 21:51.44 | pupnik_ | any of you think jews organized 9/11? |
| 21:52.39 | wmarone | no, but I bet you have |
| 21:52.42 | trx | lol, have i entered the wrong channel? :D |
| 21:52.56 | wmarone | trx: no, you encountered pupnik |
| 21:53.06 | trx | :)) |
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| 22:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I bet it's been skynet |
| 22:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | Or Arnie himself, from an alternative future |
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| 22:10.07 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Temporal_cold_war |
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| 22:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | tbh if anything I believe it's been planned by George DoubleWho and his CIA - at least it seems he met Osama's oncle the day before |
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| 22:15.46 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: according to some conspiracy theories, Osama doesn't even exist and was invented by the USA government |
| 22:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | sounds as reasonable as the whole incident |
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| 22:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | in a metaphoric way it's probably true, I bet USA (CIA) supported and 'made' Osama like they support so many others, Saddam, Mubarak, etc etc |
| 22:18.49 | rm_work | yeah i'd believe it. sounds like something out of Eagle Eye or such |
| 22:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | you can place your bets on one thing: whenever USA is getting involved into international affairs, the sure as hell will find the worst option to follow |
| 22:22.30 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: anyway, everyone knows they conquered Iraq for its oil fields |
| 22:22.50 | BCMM | "I bet USA (CIA) supported and 'made' Osama"? Not even controversial, the Afghan mujahideen were assisted by the US in opposing the occupying soviet forces |
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| 22:23.09 | BCMM | (i mean, that isn't even a debatable point) |
| 22:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | actually they did that because of Saddam Hussein, their protegee, wasn't controllable anymore |
| 22:24.43 | BCMM | it can't be proven that Bin Laden himself was armed or trained by US agents, but certainly most of the people around him will have been, and a lot of the weapons in Afghanistan came from the US during the soviet occupation |
| 22:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep, sure |
| 22:26.15 | DocScrutinizer | and it's hard to believe 9-11 wasn't thought out by some weird spin doctor in pentagon |
| 22:26.55 | BCMM | watch Rambo III, it has become unintentionally bizarre |
| 22:27.56 | BCMM | it's a very patriotic American action film about supporting the mujahideen... |
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| 22:28.17 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: they wouldn't have cared about Hussein if he hadn't had oil. |
| 22:28.49 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: http://xkcd.com/690/ <- the truth about 911 |
| 22:29.42 | pupnik_ | dancing israelis |
| 22:29.57 | pupnik_ | basically jews have infiltrated the US defense dept |
| 22:30.07 | pupnik_ | and they orchestrated the 9/11 drills |
| 22:30.20 | pupnik_ | to coincide with the nutjob al-quaeda hijackings |
| 22:30.26 | pupnik_ | so they wouldn't be stopped |
| 22:30.32 | wmarone | pupnik_: did they also tangle your christmas lights? |
| 22:30.43 | pupnik_ | this is all proven |
| 22:30.59 | pupnik_ | false flag shit |
| 22:31.03 | wmarone | really? |
| 22:31.06 | pupnik_ | yep |
| 22:31.07 | wmarone | did they use chicken wire? |
| 22:31.15 | pupnik_ | i'm a systems analyst |
| 22:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: the tooltip comment is just to the point |
| 22:31.22 | wmarone | and? |
| 22:31.27 | BCMM | pupnik_: wouldn't it've been more unnoticeable if they did it while *not* dancing? |
| 22:31.29 | pupnik_ | and you're a fucking idiot |
| 22:31.39 | wmarone | you also go off on odd rants and attack people in this channel at random |
| 22:31.45 | pupnik_ | oh lol no the dumb fucks aren't gods BCMM |
| 22:31.52 | pupnik_ | they are just arrogant |
| 22:32.04 | pupnik_ | because you cunts will never believe they can do evil |
| 22:32.08 | pupnik_ | hogans heroes |
| 22:32.09 | pupnik_ | eh |
| 22:32.15 | pupnik_ | diary of anne frank |
| 22:32.23 | pupnik_ | etc |
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| 22:32.50 | BCMM | pupnik makes a lot more sense if you read it all in a the frantic voice of a high person |
| 22:32.51 | wmarone | pupnik_: perhaps if you didn't attack people and spew crap, people might listen (in places where it isn't horribly off topic) |
| 22:33.03 | chx | there is a lot of disturbing information about 9/11 out there |
| 22:33.06 | chx | that's for sure |
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| 22:33.16 | wmarone | at least luke-jr has the decency to keep it in a seperate channel ;) |
| 22:33.17 | chx | ok, ok. |
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| 22:33.28 | luke-jr | huh? |
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| 22:33.35 | wmarone | nothing luke-jr |
| 22:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, these insults start to get common with pubnik lately |
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| 22:34.56 | BCMM | i'm sure i had a maemo-related question... |
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| 22:49.34 | BCMM | remembered my maemo question: is Java on the n900 possible/sensible? |
| 22:51.21 | rm_work | i thought there was a working JVM |
| 22:51.34 | rm_work | never tried it myself tho, seemed to me like it would just be slow as #&*$ |
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| 22:52.57 | Sc0rpius | it's posible with Icesomething |
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| 22:54.40 | chx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Java |
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| 23:26.16 | esaym153 | anyone know where wireless passwords are stored at in diablo? |
| 23:27.57 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi |
| 23:27.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | I've that: |
| 23:28.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | [ 32.899627] UBI error: ubi_io_write: error -74 while writing 512 bytes to PEB 1451:512, written 512 bytes |
| 23:28.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | when doing ubiattach -m 5 |
| 23:29.18 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll try flash_eraseall |
| 23:29.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | on /dev/mtd5 |
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| 23:29.29 | GNUtoo|laptop | and to flash the rootfs again |
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| 23:30.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | again same message |
| 23:30.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | sigh |
| 23:32.18 | esaym153 | n/m |
| 23:32.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, hi |
| 23:36.46 | GNUtoo|laptop | is there someone arround that knows NAND? |
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| 23:41.25 | Venemo | GNUtoo|laptop: DocScrutinizer is your best bet |
| 23:41.45 | GNUtoo|laptop | Venemo, ok thanks |
| 23:42.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | nandtest seem not to output any error tough |
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| 23:43.00 | trumee | Venemo, any luck with bumping your sticky notes app to extras? |
| 23:44.05 | Venemo | trumee: huh. forgot about it completely |
| 23:44.26 | Venemo | trumee: what do I need to do to push it to Extras? |
| 23:44.48 | trumee | Venemo, no idea. perhaps it has to go through testing first. |
| 23:45.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'm afraid of using --markbad |
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| 23:45.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | after I would have to scrub nand |
| 23:45.16 | GNUtoo|laptop | and I can't |
| 23:45.28 | GNUtoo|laptop | (if there is an issue) |
| 23:45.35 | Venemo | GNUtoo|laptop: what are you doing exactly? |
| 23:45.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | I tried to flash an ubifs on mtd5 |
| 23:46.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | I don't remember exactly what I tried |
| 23:46.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | (the exact commands) |
| 23:46.18 | GNUtoo|laptop | but now I've that error when: |
| 23:46.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | *flashing the maemo rootfs |
| 23:46.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | and mounting it after |
| 23:46.46 | GNUtoo|laptop | flashing output no error, only mounting |
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| 23:48.18 | Venemo | trumee: yes, but how? |
| 23:51.32 | trumee | Venemo, i dont have a clue. perhaps maemo wiki discusses it. |
| 23:52.15 | Venemo | okay trumee, I'll see :) |
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| 23:53.34 | villager | Venemo: I think you have to log on to maemo.org/packages with the email address you uploaded the package with, then you find your package, and there'll be a "promote" link that puts the package into testing |
| 23:54.06 | villager | afterwards, if enough people vote it up, it gets into extras... |
| 23:54.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll try -m |
| 23:54.36 | Venemo | villager: thanks! :) |
| 23:55.00 | Venemo | GNUtoo|laptop: I think the maemo flasher tool can correct it |
| 23:55.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | ha ok |
| 23:55.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll try tomorrow then |
| 23:56.06 | villager | Venemo: and yes, I got that from instructions in the wiki... |
| 23:56.23 | villager | though I can't remember which page, I just followed it for my own packages... |
| 23:56.30 | Venemo | villager: :) |
| 23:57.28 | Venemo | trumee: okay, I promoted it to testing |
| 23:58.02 | GNUtoo|laptop | flash_cp fails too |
| 23:58.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll try the flasher |
| 23:58.07 | Venemo | trumee, villager: I have no idea where to vote for it though |
| 23:58.15 | Venemo | GNUtoo|laptop: just try flashing a regular PR image |
| 23:58.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 23:58.31 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll need to boot a livecd for that |
| 23:58.39 | trumee | Venemo, nice one. Now for some marketing/publicising in tmo. |
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