| 00:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I seem to remember the chip is processing the rows sequentially, but I can't tell if it's actually true nor the speed of that process |
| 00:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: see, that's basically a video camera. Still shots are a special mode of operation of this video cam |
| 00:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | there's no shutter in a classical sense |
| 00:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, I guess you should read the datasheet |
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| 00:11.07 | Carneque | If there are problems with your packages, where are the logs files held? |
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| 00:35.50 | trumee | lxp: ping |
| 00:36.01 | wmarone-N900 | oops, low battery |
| 00:36.52 | MrBawb | trumee: are you building against the power kernel? |
| 00:37.15 | trumee | MrBawb: yes |
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| 00:40.08 | MrBawb | trumee: do you happen to know which symbol it's complaining about? I think it's in dmesg |
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| 00:43.09 | trumee | MrBawb: i have the man himself 'lxp' on the case :) |
| 00:44.13 | IamTrying | Hello, can i stream audio/video from a laptop to 100 audience ? with simple low internet. |
| 00:50.41 | Dhraakellian | how do I undo any manual changes I made to the icon order in the application list? |
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| 01:00.13 | trumee | lxp1: ping |
| 01:00.55 | psycho_oreos | Dhraakellian, reverse of what you did? heh |
| 01:01.17 | Dhraakellian | psycho_oreos: so it's all automatically sorted alphabetically |
| 01:02.08 | Dhraakellian | I currently have stuff I manually sorted way back when (after moving some things around) and newer installs that are automatically sorted |
| 01:02.41 | Dhraakellian | I'd rather have one A-Z rather than two |
| 01:02.45 | psycho_oreos | Dhraakellian, nfi, the lack of categorise or mymenu makes it quite hard :p |
| 01:02.59 | Dhraakellian | tanj |
| 01:03.02 | psycho_oreos | maybe one needs to poke around via shell |
| 01:04.49 | Dhraakellian | is currently investigating Marble |
| 01:06.57 | Dhraakellian | and hoping it outshines both Mappero and Ovi Maps |
| 01:07.14 | Dhraakellian | I'm not sure whether Mappero does routing, but I don't think I ever really figured it out |
| 01:07.22 | Dhraakellian | and Ovi Maps, well... |
| 01:07.30 | Dhraakellian | I've used it more often, but meh. |
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| 01:27.06 | pupnik | you could do this on a n900 + mypaint if you had talent http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uJqX6DgOrjY/SxVWwkC8xPI/AAAAAAAAAnM/LxyNX7BnrY4/s1600/Philip+Connard+%28British,+1875-1958%29.jpg |
| 01:27.37 | beford | apt-get install talent |
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| 01:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: check <Layout> in /home/user/.config/menus/* |
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| 01:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: also check appmefo |
| 01:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: sorting of submenus needs to be done in apmefo if you're using it. moving app icons in menus the 1.2 way will break apmefo and you need to start and "enable" it again |
| 01:57.38 | Dhraakellian | I don't use apmefo |
| 01:57.44 | Dhraakellian | fires up vim |
| 01:58.09 | Dhraakellian | just delete everything in the <layout> section? |
| 01:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, I think the <Layout> are generic hildon |
| 01:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you delete the whole section, incl <Layout> and </Layout> |
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| 02:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: beware even messing with these files *might* cause problems during next boot |
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| 06:20.33 | Termana | good morning |
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| 07:20.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOL@ApMeFo menu Readme ===Warning=== and ===getting started=== |
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| 07:26.38 | dm8tbr | did anyone look into updating the fosdem-schedule application for n900 yet? |
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| 07:31.00 | Termana | dm8tbr, I bet the iPhone one is up to date... |
| 07:31.02 | Termana | The irony |
| 07:32.06 | dm8tbr | Termana: the first one was for android... |
| 07:32.21 | dm8tbr | which means I might as well install it on my a101 and a32 and be done with it... |
| 07:32.56 | Termana | heh lovely |
| 07:33.19 | dm8tbr | currently I'm trying to figure out why the application just closes when I try to update the schedule... |
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| 07:33.35 | Termana | I assumed it was done iPhone, Maemo, Android and then WebOS since that's the order on the website. |
| 07:34.59 | dm8tbr | yeah, I meant this year. I only see an android announcement |
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| 07:36.22 | ebzzry | Why is it that sometimes, when the system is overclocked, the minimum frequency that is displayed is 125 MHz, instead that of the overclocked setting? |
| 07:36.27 | Termana | Oh, I didn't realise they were making a NEW one every year. I guess I shouldn't have assumed the application would just pull from a web location and display the data. |
| 07:36.48 | dm8tbr | yeah, how unforeseen :/ |
| 07:37.00 | dm8tbr | conference happens every year, who would have thunk |
| 07:37.19 | dm8tbr | the maemo app just crashes if I try to update the compiled in schedule |
| 07:38.16 | dm8tbr | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'OrmNoObjectException' |
| 07:38.16 | dm8tbr | Aborted |
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| 07:39.36 | RST38h | ...Four wolves, who appeared before the boy when he was returning home from school, were scared away by the noise coming from the boy's mobile phone -- the swinging sounds of thrash metal band Megadeth. |
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| 07:42.36 | dm8tbr | which repository should I enable to get strace? |
| 07:42.59 | SpeedEvil | tools |
| 07:43.02 | RST38h | tols |
| 07:43.07 | RST38h | tools, sorry |
| 07:43.11 | dm8tbr | tnx |
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| 07:43.47 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
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| 07:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: on speiPhone there's no Programms and project data. Every eBook on applestore is a hybrid of a reader plus the book text |
| 07:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: so why should a calendar be different? |
| 07:59.56 | RST38h | Do I understand it correctly that NCDK is ARM-based and ICDK is Intel-based? |
| 08:00.32 | dm8tbr | hooray, it looks like manual file-import seems to work with that application... |
| 08:00.41 | dm8tbr | now let's see if that does anything useful... |
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| 08:01.34 | Termana | DocScrutinizer - I have no clue exactly what your saying in the first bit, you can have files, audio/text/etc. included or later downloaded for an application on the iPhone and I don't know of whether the iBooks hold the reader app or not but if they do that is bullshit |
| 08:01.43 | dm8tbr | *bang* it just asploded after trying to import the last entry... waaaay to go ixonos, waaay to go ;) |
| 08:04.16 | dm8tbr | suddenly remembers that he has at leas one obs account that can build fremantle |
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| 08:47.48 | ieatlint | suspects a part of the western coast the US just had an internet disruption |
| 08:49.32 | SpeedEvil | Probably massive earthquake, and it slipped into the sea. |
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| 08:51.38 | doc|home | win! |
| 08:51.49 | doc|home | oh wait, I'm just north of the western coast of the US |
| 08:51.54 | doc|home | pokes self |
| 08:51.57 | doc|home | nope, still here |
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| 08:52.28 | ieatlint | i'm about 200m from the sea... i'd probably have noticed that |
| 08:52.58 | ieatlint | meh, it's comforting to know that when california goes, we'll take the entire world economy with us |
| 08:52.59 | doc|home | I'm about 1km on three sides... I'd *definitely* notice it |
| 08:53.14 | doc|home | ieatlint: that might well happen without any earthquake |
| 08:53.36 | ieatlint | yeah, because i hear facebook and google are having trouble |
| 08:54.26 | doc|home | oh, are we doing sarkiness? |
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| 08:54.49 | doc|home | "oh, I didn't know everyone in California worked for just those two companies" |
| 08:54.54 | ieatlint | i'm in san francisco, would you expect anything less? |
| 08:54.59 | doc|home | fair point |
| 08:55.01 | doc|home | heheh |
| 08:55.12 | doc|home | sleep time, night |
| 08:55.14 | ieatlint | we have a new unofficial city motto... "not smug, just better" |
| 08:55.21 | doc|home | hahaha, nice |
| 08:55.25 | doc|home | I might borrow that |
| 08:55.36 | ieatlint | :) |
| 08:55.37 | ieatlint | nite |
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| 09:37.10 | Dhraakellian | finally gets around to submitting a Kontact Touch bug report |
| 09:48.45 | alterego | ponders |
| 09:49.02 | alterego | I have four days to build a MeeGo columbus port. |
| 09:49.07 | Dhraakellian | ponderously ponders ponderous ponderings |
| 09:49.22 | RST38h | And then what? =) |
| 09:50.06 | alterego | And then I can demo it at the Cambridge MeeGo Network meetup |
| 09:50.26 | RST38h | OMG |
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| 10:12.42 | marry | hi |
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| 10:13.33 | pupnik | "You gotta tell a ho 68 and I owe you 1" |
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| 10:14.41 | marry | hi |
| 10:14.47 | kerio | "a woman must do 71 things, cleaning, cooking and 69" |
| 10:15.47 | pupnik | heh |
| 10:15.54 | chx | Hrm, this kind of talk is accepted here? We surely do not tolerate such on #drupal |
| 10:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 10:16.16 | RST38h | What is drupal? |
| 10:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | official warning |
| 10:18.02 | kerio | :< 'twas a joke |
| 10:18.12 | RST38h | Heh, US seems to be suddenly getting its wish come true |
| 10:18.26 | RST38h | Rolling revolution in the Middle East =) |
| 10:18.56 | SpeedEvil | The US is quite happy with many of the governments in the region. |
| 10:18.58 | marry | hi |
| 10:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | lo mary |
| 10:19.50 | RST38h | Speed: Well, the process does not appear to be very selective =) |
| 10:20.11 | chx | kerio: it was a joke, wasnt it?that's so wrong. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:srDdP856QGAJ:rocktreesky.com/reacting-sexism+rock+tree+sky+sexism&hl=en&strip=1 check comments. |
| 10:20.23 | marry | hi |
| 10:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it's rather their nightmare than their dream |
| 10:20.41 | marry | ok |
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| 10:20.45 | marry | i no |
| 10:21.06 | *** mode/#maemo [+q marry!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
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| 10:21.18 | kerio | the problem with the US is that the goverments they like are rarely the governments people in the region like |
| 10:21.24 | chx | haha |
| 10:21.28 | chx | well said |
| 10:21.36 | chx | can i tweet what you just said? |
| 10:22.05 | kerio | sure, why not |
| 10:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | marry, if you're actually no bot, and know something better to say than hi and I no, then /query DocScrutinizer and tell me to -q you |
| 10:22.32 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 10:22.59 | RST38h | Doc: What if it is not a bot but lacks mental capacity to prove so? |
| 10:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, should that make any difference |
| 10:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 10:23.36 | RST38h | <pc-mode>Will you segregate based on the mental capacity?</pc-mode> =) |
| 10:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | no, strictly based on behaviour |
| 10:24.33 | RST38h | But it is trying to communicate! It may have Feelings! =) |
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| 10:27.14 | chx | good question: how do you differentiate a bot from a two year old? my nephew mostly just repeats single words and we are delighted when he says the correct one for an object. This is something a current bot can do. |
| 10:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | it seems actually trying to communicate |
| 10:28.42 | kerio | chx: you don't |
| 10:28.46 | kerio | you ban both from #maemo |
| 10:29.10 | kerio | http://xkcd.com/810/ |
| 10:29.28 | RST38h | chx: A better question is how you differentiate a bot from a [technically] adult male who just lol like havin fun lol w/ u geekz |
| 10:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and stealing my time with private query on same level now :-S |
| 10:30.24 | RST38h | Especially considering how many of these will happily engage Elise in erotic conversation |
| 10:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:25:23] <DocScrutinizer> new to irc? |
| 10:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:25:34] <marry> fine and u |
| 10:30.43 | DocScrutinizer |  |
| 10:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:26:57] <marry> are u here |
| 10:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:28:01] <DocScrutinizer> since when you are on IRC? |
| 10:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:28:38] <marry> me |
| 10:30.47 | kerio | hahaha |
| 10:30.50 | RST38h | Doc: A bot. |
| 10:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | I bet |
| 10:31.08 | kerio | "To join #maemo, you must pass the Turing test." |
| 10:31.17 | RST38h | Ok, maybe not a bot, but who the hell cares? He wouldn't pass the Turing test anyway. |
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| 10:32.03 | SpeedEvil | The turing test? Does that involve a public toilet? |
| 10:32.07 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. |
| 10:32.15 | RST38h | Speed:For some,it did. |
| 10:32.41 | RST38h | Speed: But you are too late. |
| 10:34.11 | pupnik | i hate all sites with javascript that parses every character i type in an entry field |
| 10:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | IRC rule #15: There are no real users like marry!emma@41.203.64.254 |
| 10:35.27 | SpeedEvil | Who wrote mbarcode? |
| 10:35.29 | SpeedEvil | I forgot. |
| 10:35.32 | RST38h | lardman |
| 10:35.35 | SpeedEvil | Was it lardman? |
| 10:35.38 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:35.56 | chx | just ask it the classical question "If Joe goes to shopping will his head stay at home?" |
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| 10:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA |
| 10:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:34:52] <DocScrutinizer> fuckoff bot idiot |
| 10:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:35:01] <DocScrutinizer> divide 1 by 0 |
| 10:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:35:09] <DocScrutinizer> STFU |
| 10:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:35:35] <marry> ok can u help me |
| 10:39.06 | DocScrutinizer |  |
| 10:39.08 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:36:44] <marry> plz |
| 10:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:37:10] <DocScrutinizer> help on what? (damn why am I doing this?) |
| 10:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:38:36] <marry> plz can u help me with some money |
| 10:39.26 | chx | this is getting better and better |
| 10:39.58 | joga | heheh |
| 10:40.17 | joga | take their money |
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| 10:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | what an idiot |
| 10:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | too stupid to code a bot half the intelligence of ELIZA |
| 10:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:38:36] <marry> plz can u help me with some money |
| 10:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:41:10] <DocScrutinizer> sure, no problem. How much would you need? |
| 10:46.05 | DocScrutinizer |  |
| 10:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:42:59] <marry> ok 10$ |
| 10:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:43:18] <marry> can u |
| 10:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:44:19] <DocScrutinizer> sure, just give me your address and bank account |
| 10:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:44:50] <marry> hi |
| 10:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-29 11:45:03] <marry> can u help me |
| 10:46.53 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: it's not that interesting is it |
| 10:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's starting to get extremely boring, yeah |
| 10:47.32 | RST38h | time for a traceroute then |
| 10:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | haha, yeah already done |
| 10:47.50 | pupnik | nigeria |
| 10:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | globacom-gw.lnt.cw.net (166.63.211.234) 77.867 ms 76.162 ms 76.597 ms |
| 10:48.01 | RST38h | pupnik: willing to bet on it? |
| 10:48.14 | pupnik | no |
| 10:48.27 | RST38h | It did not offer any riches, too |
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| 10:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile nmaping it |
| 10:49.27 | korhojoa | http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=166.63.211.234&map_source=1&overview_map=1&lang=1&map_type=1&zoom_level=7 |
| 10:49.44 | korhojoa | Wichita area |
| 10:49.50 | RST38h | http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/41.203.64.254 |
| 10:51.42 | RST38h | whaddyanow? it may be a genuine nigerian there! |
| 10:51.44 | korhojoa | ahh. hm, yes. well. that's completely different. |
| 10:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | freakin idiots |
| 10:52.23 | RST38h | Doc: You should be thankful for having an opportunity to speak to a live nigerian. |
| 10:52.36 | korhojoa | RST38h: it's not that cool. I've spoken to them before |
| 10:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | I still bet it's a bot |
| 10:52.38 | joga | here in .fi people have been fined 12500 euros for port scanning |
| 10:52.50 | korhojoa | one wanted to buy my used panties |
| 10:52.50 | RST38h | korhojoa:educational though |
| 10:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | maybe an assisted bot |
| 10:53.05 | korhojoa | I didn't understand why, i thought it was a japanese thing |
| 10:53.13 | korhojoa | joga: ? who? |
| 10:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | joga: HUH? |
| 10:53.28 | RST38h | korhojoa: did he at least inquire about your gender first? |
| 10:53.33 | joga | korhojoa, some young man portscanned a bank's servers |
| 10:53.42 | joga | (in finnish) http://www.pjoy.fi/lehdet/0306pj.htm |
| 10:53.47 | korhojoa | RST38h: no, he didn't :D |
| 10:54.01 | korhojoa | nmap + OP = fail? |
| 10:54.43 | RST38h | joga: that is why any respectable hacker must have a .RU-based shell account =) |
| 10:54.49 | korhojoa | hahahaha :D |
| 10:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | they're nuts, those Finnish |
| 10:54.59 | korhojoa | No we're not! |
| 10:55.55 | joga | here in english http://insecure.org/stf/fin.html |
| 10:55.56 | RST38h | joga: banks *expect* to be portscanned from .RU IPs! |
| 10:56.38 | joga | yeah of course it's just silly |
| 10:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | *SIGH* [2011-01-29 11:44:50] <marry> hi [2011-01-29 11:45:03] <marry> can u help me [2011-01-29 11:46:16] <marry> hi [2011-01-29 11:55:25] <marry> hi |
| 10:56.44 | korhojoa | RST38h: i guess that's why most banks are blocked from .ru ? :D |
| 10:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's after I offered to send 10$ |
| 10:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | so no fun in that :-/ |
| 10:57.08 | korhojoa | :D |
| 10:57.26 | RST38h | korhojoa: Dunno, none of the ones I periodically deal with are |
| 10:57.46 | pupnik | I'd send food... |
| 10:57.59 | korhojoa | RST38h: I was kidding :P |
| 10:58.01 | joga | I have a shoddy paid shell account I sometimes use for some stuff, and it was so poorly managed nmap for example was available for all users, and so I once did a port scan on one of my own computers at home to test the firewall settings and a few hours later I found that my account had been suspended |
| 10:58.20 | korhojoa | RST38h: but I think that some probably are doing this |
| 10:58.33 | RST38h | joga: Nmap *should* be available to all users, shouldn't it? |
| 10:58.35 | korhojoa | joga: haha, success. tnnet? |
| 10:59.01 | joga | I called them and they explained they detected the port scanning and it's illegal and bla but they did re-enable the account when I told it was my own pc |
| 10:59.05 | joga | korhojoa, daug |
| 10:59.06 | RST38h | pupnik: Send condoms. |
| 10:59.15 | pupnik | hahahaha |
| 10:59.25 | pupnik | ow |
| 10:59.30 | RST38h | joga: Is it really illegal? Port scanning is not an intrusion, technically |
| 10:59.30 | pupnik | coughing |
| 10:59.42 | joga | RST38h according to that judgement, it is |
| 10:59.57 | joga | but that's stupid :) |
| 11:00.06 | RST38h | joga: Yes, but is there a law that says it is illegal? |
| 11:00.19 | korhojoa | There are cyberharrassment laws |
| 11:00.21 | joga | there's a law against computer break-ins |
| 11:00.33 | joga | and in this case it was deemed that he had attempted a break-in |
| 11:00.34 | RST38h | joga: Becauseif there is no such law, they cannot claim it is illegal |
| 11:00.41 | lcuk | if its against T&Cs then its not law based restrictions |
| 11:00.51 | SpeedEvil | I love the recent US decision that violating T&Cs is illegal. |
| 11:00.54 | SpeedEvil | And a criminal act. |
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| 11:01.07 | joga | RST38h, yeah I guess there's no specific law against port scanning the way it's done |
| 11:01.16 | RST38h | joga: If I stick my nose to your window, is it a breakin, or just some randomguy being creepy? |
| 11:01.22 | korhojoa | SpeedEvil: seriously? :D that's retarded |
| 11:01.28 | joga | RST38h, it could be harassment :) |
| 11:01.40 | korhojoa | RST38h: harrasment most likely |
| 11:02.00 | RST38h | Ok, but can they classify port scanning as harassment? |
| 11:02.03 | SpeedEvil | korhojoa: really. |
| 11:02.11 | joga | RST38h, they can, obviously |
| 11:02.13 | joga | :) |
| 11:02.27 | korhojoa | I can't believe how dumb that is. |
| 11:02.33 | joga | or let me check if I can find the charge.. |
| 11:02.43 | pupnik | some countries have tried to implement that |
| 11:02.55 | pupnik | but politicians are stupid |
| 11:03.00 | RST38h | Well,the laws are being applied by people who do not know or understand what a port scan is |
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| 11:03.25 | pupnik | right |
| 11:03.41 | RST38h | And if you have got a corporation on one side and a 16-year old idiot on the other, the verdict is kinda predictable |
| 11:03.44 | SpeedEvil | http://volokh.com/2011/01/04/eleventh-circuit-holds-that-it-is-a-crime-for-an-employee-to-use-his-employers-computer-for-non-business-reasons/ korhojoa |
| 11:04.01 | SpeedEvil | (violation of TOS = illegal) |
| 11:05.17 | RST38h | Speed:this is different |
| 11:06.05 | RST38h | Speed: You have got an employee who repeatedly defies his supervisors by refusing to sign a legal form |
| 11:06.31 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: this case - yes. |
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| 11:06.46 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: The underlying law is pretty clear it's any TOS though. |
| 11:06.54 | RST38h | Speed:This being a US government institution (SSA) and him being a latino minority, they cannot easily fire him |
| 11:07.17 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Which is irrelevant to the law being over-broad, and applying in many other circumstances. |
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| 11:07.45 | RST38h | Speed: Yes, but in this case it is being applied precisely enough |
| 11:08.25 | RST38h | Speed: Because the guy accessed someone's personal data without authorization,for his own personal reasons |
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| 11:09.06 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Right - this is a 'righteous' application of the law - as it was intended. The bills actual scope is much, much wider than this case. |
| 11:09.57 | RST38h | Speed: I have not seen this bill ever applied to anyone using his work PC to browse facebook, if this is what you mean |
| 11:10.15 | korhojoa | I guess the first thing it will be applied to is someone browsing for a new job |
| 11:10.38 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: It can be, with a sufficiently energetic prosecutor. |
| 11:10.56 | RST38h | korhojoa: unlikely, because the victim will file for harassment |
| 11:11.52 | RST38h | It really works much simpler if both the employee and the employer are ethical andcourteous to each other |
| 11:12.52 | joga | finnish police's page has a summary that says roughly "cybercrimes are determined according to criminal law. When using another person's credentials or exceeding the privilege that has been granted to them, one is guilty of a break-in. for example, the seemingly innocent and common act of port scanning is such a crime" |
| 11:12.55 | RST38h | "You do not use your work PC to maintain your porn collection - and I do not mind you browsing tmo at work" |
| 11:13.01 | joga | (http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/krp/home.nsf/pages/63B3FC75928EFB7EC2256C8B0043A41E) |
| 11:13.11 | joga | (and they also use lotus notes) :) |
| 11:13.50 | RST38h | joga: Actually, port scanning cannot be described as either of these activities |
| 11:14.31 | RST38h | joga: When port scanning, you 1) are not using another person's credentials and 2) are not exceeding your user privileges (after all, administration made nmap available to you) |
| 11:14.32 | joga | RST38h...yeah |
| 11:14.37 | joga | RST38h, I know ;) |
| 11:14.40 | pupnik | i once asked the president 'oh, it is it taking too much bandwidth'? |
| 11:15.22 | joga | I remember there was also some thing in germany about outlawing administrat...sorry, *hacking* tools |
| 11:15.30 | joga | ;) |
| 11:16.16 | joga | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/30/garmany_anti-hacking_law/ |
| 11:16.18 | pupnik | those debates seem to quietly settle down over years |
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| 11:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | joga: this is a nice proof of finnish police's lack of any clue whatsoever about what portscanning is. And I doubt they can define crimes with one sentence on a website anyway |
| 11:25.47 | joga | DocScrutinizer, yeah, I couldn't find a translation of that law on finlex |
| 11:26.06 | joga | but there are a lot of pointless laws |
| 11:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | anyway marry got rather quite, since I nmap'd it and reported it to freenode staff |
| 11:27.06 | korhojoa | For example: car lights are required to be on during the day, when it's light outside. |
| 11:27.26 | joga | DocScrutinizer nmap yield anything? |
| 11:27.46 | RST38h | Doc: internet cafe closed for cleaning? =) |
| 11:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | nah, was too slow (SYN stealth), I ^C'd it |
| 11:28.56 | ShadowJK | likes the hadlight law |
| 11:29.02 | ShadowJK | easier to see cars |
| 11:29.16 | RST38h | daylights you mean? |
| 11:29.26 | korhojoa | yeah, but the low beams are required to be on |
| 11:29.31 | ShadowJK | especially the people driving white cars now, they'd be pretty much ivnvisible otherwise |
| 11:29.32 | korhojoa | I don't see why they can't allow something like DRL |
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| 11:29.56 | ShadowJK | dunno what daylights is |
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| 11:30.17 | chx | korhojoa: car lights -- are you sure it's pointless |
| 11:30.30 | korhojoa | chx: pretty sure. |
| 11:30.41 | RST38h | ShadowJK: special headlight mode where they arealways on |
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| 11:31.09 | chx | korhojoa: tunnels, passin under an overpass, sudden mist or rain... isnt it simpler to have it on? |
| 11:31.19 | ShadowJK | well my toyota switches on hedlights whenever engine is on, but it's exactly the same as turning them on manually |
| 11:31.28 | ShadowJK | except that highbeam doesn't work |
| 11:31.32 | korhojoa | All I know is that cars manufactured for Finland all have have their lights always on |
| 11:31.51 | Jartza | not true |
| 11:31.52 | ShadowJK | My parents' opel doesn't have it always on |
| 11:31.59 | Jartza | I have to manually turn headlights on |
| 11:32.21 | korhojoa | chx: overpasses have lights, tunnels have lights, mist or rain will rarely totally blind you if there's enough light to manage during the day |
| 11:33.26 | korhojoa | and DRL would allow cars to have these smaller bulbs on and they (at least where they're being used) have a light intensity detector and then turn on the main lamps if it gets dark enough |
| 11:33.29 | Jartza | and the finnnish law requires you to either have low beams OR DRLs on at all times |
| 11:33.48 | RST38h | Jartza:and not only the finnish law |
| 11:33.49 | korhojoa | Jartza: yes, well, cars manufactured for finland, not just imported |
| 11:34.07 | Jartza | my car is manufactured "for finland" |
| 11:34.23 | korhojoa | Jartza: yes, but that law was only recently added. DRL's haven't been on cars until the last two years or so |
| 11:34.27 | korhojoa | Jartza: which one? |
| 11:35.08 | Jartza | dodge caliber |
| 11:35.13 | korhojoa | also, if they're old, they require you to turn on the lamps themselves. we've got a chrysler stratus and it also requires us to turn on the lamps by themselves |
| 11:35.23 | korhojoa | well, it's an american car, they're pieces of crap anyway. |
| 11:35.30 | Jartza | no it's not :) |
| 11:35.35 | Jartza | it's quite asian |
| 11:35.45 | korhojoa | still not manufactured for finland, it's made for the general european market, where the lights aren't required |
| 11:36.06 | Jartza | the motor is made by GEMA (mitsubishi/hyundai), base plate is made by mitsubishi and the CVT is made by jatco (nissan subsidiary) |
| 11:36.13 | ShadowJK | toyota has a mount for the relay to turn on lights automatically, I suspect toyota has it automatic because it's required in jp too or something? |
| 11:36.18 | korhojoa | for some reason, american cars are allowed to have this. I don't know why. |
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| 11:36.38 | korhojoa | Jartza: I know, I've test driven the car and everything |
| 11:36.49 | Jartza | not much american in that car anyway :) |
| 11:37.09 | korhojoa | ShadowJK: I'd say because it makes it easier to just make the same relay box for all the cars? |
| 11:37.17 | ShadowJK | had a Talbot Horizon once, it had autoheadlight even before the daytime headlight requirement.. and it was a chrysler subsidiary I think |
| 11:37.19 | Operated | Hello anyone! I have an issue with maemo-flasher, that i can't resolve with my experience and google. It's "Unable to enumerate USB buses!" problem under Slackware linux. Can anyone help to find solution, if i provide necessary info? Should I install libusb legacy API for flasher (first - ask, then break)? |
| 11:37.20 | korhojoa | Jartza: well, the design sure is, it's a box with wheels? |
| 11:37.31 | Jartza | I've driven 140Mm in 3 years with that car, not a single problem with the car |
| 11:37.46 | Jartza | box with wheels? |
| 11:37.51 | Jartza | aren't all cars like that :) |
| 11:37.54 | Jartza | except convertibles |
| 11:37.55 | ShadowJK | korhojoa, it's not a box even, it's just a piece of metal sticking out from the chassis and relay screwed onto it |
| 11:37.59 | korhojoa | ShadowJK: haha, Talbot Horizon :D whoa |
| 11:38.17 | ShadowJK | it was dual-fuel! :) |
| 11:38.27 | ShadowJK | from the oil crisis |
| 11:38.27 | Jartza | I had talbot horizon also :D |
| 11:38.39 | korhojoa | Jartza: true. Some boxes are just prettier than others. :P |
| 11:38.48 | korhojoa | ShadowJK: dual-fuel? |
| 11:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | Operated: I hope the folks here get on topic soon, and then will help you :-) |
| 11:39.18 | Jartza | korhojoa: true, but "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"... :) |
| 11:39.26 | Jartza | my Talbot Horizon was made in finland :) |
| 11:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | Operated: you followed the hints about rmmod some modules (cdc_phonet?)? |
| 11:39.56 | Jartza | by Saab-Valmet in Uusikaupunki :) |
| 11:40.11 | korhojoa | Operated: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=839 someone solved it using a VM |
| 11:40.22 | korhojoa | Jartza: yeah, I know :P |
| 11:40.51 | korhojoa | Jartza: I'm not proud to say that I actually like a few american designs, like the Tahoe and Suburban |
| 11:41.01 | Jartza | and actually, after talbot I owned Peugeot 309 :) |
| 11:41.27 | Jartza | that car was supposed to be Talbot also, but PSA killed Talbot before they made it |
| 11:41.53 | ShadowJK | it could run on what would be called "petroleum" in .fi |
| 11:42.01 | ShadowJK | after the engine got warm |
| 11:42.06 | Jartza | :) |
| 11:42.32 | jacekowski | it's called petrol here |
| 11:43.04 | Operated | korhojoa: i read that thread, another OS in VM isn't pretty solution, but I'll use it if can't find any solution. |
| 11:43.09 | korhojoa | ShadowJK: where are you from? |
| 11:43.22 | korhojoa | Operated: yeah, sorry about that, don't use slackware myself |
| 11:43.26 | ShadowJK | .fi.. |
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| 11:44.01 | korhojoa | I'm a bit surprised, I always suspected you being from the UK. Oh well :D I guess there's a larger proportion of finnish users here than i suspected |
| 11:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | Operated: is it a 64bit OS? |
| 11:44.14 | Jartza | :) |
| 11:44.24 | Jartza | Yeah, lot of us Finns here |
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| 11:45.46 | Operated | DocScrutinizer: ermmm, seems not. If "cdc_phonet" is the name of the module, I haven't one loaded. No, i'm using 32-bit OS. |
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| 11:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 11:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | Operated: sorry, I'm short of ideas then |
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| 11:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: you're aware of |
| 11:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 11:47.05 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 11:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, Operated ^^^ |
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| 11:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | o.O how's that ETAB slipping in there? sorry Jartza |
| 11:48.35 | ShadowJK | oh, kerosene in english. It was dual gasoline/kerosene :) |
| 11:48.39 | Jartza | :) |
| 11:48.41 | Jartza | no prob |
| 11:49.26 | Jartza | I also get that sometimes, copypasting something from web to irc causes strange tab-expands :) |
| 11:50.18 | Operated | Somewhere in maemo forums I read that new libusb may cause this error. My version is: libusb-1.0.8. What version you used for successfull flashing? |
| 11:50.33 | Operated | DocScrutinizer: thanks for ideas anyway =) |
| 11:51.29 | Operated | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.40 | Operated | *which |
| 11:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | hey, marry vanished |
| 11:56.09 | korhojoa | aw :< |
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| 11:59.37 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: it costs money per hour to use an internet cafe down there |
| 11:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 12:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | and they might not be amused to get nmapped |
| 12:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | or freenode klined marry, as I suggested |
| 12:01.13 | pupnik | did you get a video chat? |
| 12:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | or that other dude took down their network, he was rather upset GNAA is doing it again |
| 12:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | lol, with a bot? |
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| 12:01.51 | korhojoa | gnaa? :D |
| 12:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 12:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf gnaa |
| 12:02.10 | korhojoa | the uh... association of america? |
| 12:02.16 | korhojoa | really? |
| 12:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~gnaa |
| 12:02.25 | Tsuyo | Hey, is there a way to open Ovi Maps with a specific LNG/LAT position? |
| 12:02.34 | korhojoa | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fencyclopediadramatica.com%2FGNAA&rct=j&q=gnaa&ei=zQFETfCZGc-fOtrqxdgB&usg=AFQjCNERigAkTeqdtf0ImvK3wNpf2QreLA&sig2=qrSqgK1d8OOinT29Njrhzg&cad=rja |
| 12:02.50 | korhojoa | probably nsfw, but seeing as it's saturday can't see anyone at work |
| 12:03.24 | pupnik | that is a link to ED's "GNAA" article |
| 12:03.38 | pupnik | it's polite to describe your links korhojoa |
| 12:04.21 | korhojoa | stupid google, it should be a clear link |
| 12:04.26 | korhojoa | didn't notice that |
| 12:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | also WTF for this 3 lines URL, when a simple http://encyclopediadramatica.com/GNAA would do? |
| 12:05.06 | korhojoa | Seriously, I have no idea. I just right-clicked on the google result and selected copy link url |
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| 12:05.18 | pupnik | i've made that mistake before |
| 12:05.26 | korhojoa | annoying, really annoying. |
| 12:05.37 | pupnik | you'll always get the google url instead of the one they show |
| 12:05.40 | korhojoa | there's a greasemonkey script for it |
| 12:05.44 | pupnik | so they force you to 'click through' |
| 12:05.56 | pupnik | i know, isn't it though |
| 12:06.10 | pupnik | btw you an disable 'instant search' permanently in firefox |
| 12:06.13 | pupnik | *can |
| 12:06.30 | pupnik | another google annoyance |
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| 12:08.03 | korhojoa | ah. after installing this: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24102 - no more google redirects |
| 12:09.40 | SpeedEvil | I love the Wales at the top of ED |
| 12:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | microb - on google URL "rightclick" and selecting "open in new window" - does complete crap and opens the result window again, instead of the URL it should |
| 12:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | probably related |
| 12:15.54 | Termana | DocScrutinizer - actually I found that to only happen when you are slightly off somehow from the link. If you zoom right in and directly make sure you get the link it doesn't do it |
| 12:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 12:16.28 | pupnik | hey that script works here - thanks korhojoa |
| 12:16.54 | Termana | DocScrutinizer - you heard it here first. Make me famous! :p |
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| 12:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
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| 12:21.08 | pupnik | wow, i'm really speeding up my internets |
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| 12:22.40 | *** mode/#maemo [+b marry!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
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| 12:23.46 | RST38bis | Doc: you are still playing with that puppet? |
| 12:23.50 | Termana | DocScrutinizer - you don't like my bot? :( |
| 12:23.53 | Termana | :P kidding |
| 12:24.07 | Termana | (it's not mine, if it's a bot/person/whatever) |
| 12:24.12 | Termana | (it) |
| 12:24.18 | RST38bis | Ah, Termana, you evil nigerian puppeteer... |
| 12:24.42 | RST38bis | too late to hide it now, your secret out |
| 12:24.52 | Termana | RST38bis, sounds like a great new slogen for my business, Buy From Me - I'm an evil nigerian puppeteer! |
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| 12:24.58 | Termana | slogan* |
| 12:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | and a member of GNAA :-P |
| 12:25.29 | RST38bis | Termana: Except that it should start with "Come to my circus" |
| 12:25.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer - :O heh |
| 12:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | :O what's that? goatse? |
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| 12:27.11 | Termana | DocScrutinizer - GNAA is the parent organisation to Goatse Security. It's so big, it needs a security team |
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| 12:27.36 | Termana | The organisation that is! |
| 12:27.37 | Termana | :p |
| 12:27.52 | RST38bis | Anyone knows if opera guys are planning on another release for maemo5? |
| 12:28.23 | RST38bis | because their thing crashes on aborted tcpip connections... |
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| 12:29.07 | psycho_oreos | maybe a good way is to ask opera themselves :) |
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| 12:31.09 | Termana_ | Damn it |
| 12:31.25 | Termana_ | my internet connection is as unstable as DocScrutinizer |
| 12:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | wazzup? |
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| 12:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | I have a better uptime than any of your other crap |
| 12:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | so WTF are you talking about? |
| 12:34.03 | Termana | Don't try to hide it by telling us about your uptime, I know you've been admitting yourself to the mental hospital |
| 12:34.06 | Termana | I BACKTRACED YOU |
| 12:34.09 | Termana | :p |
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| 12:34.30 | pupnik | anybody know of a good fm transmitter i could plugin to my device? |
| 12:34.51 | Termana | pupnik, what about the one already in your device? |
| 12:35.01 | pupnik | 50 nanowatts? |
| 12:35.22 | RST38bis | there are chinese fm dongles |
| 12:35.34 | RST38bis | nameless ones |
| 12:35.36 | Termana | I'm sorry, I didn't understand you needed to run a pirate radio station |
| 12:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | you ever heard of a bot got serviced at mental hostpital? |
| 12:36.08 | RST38bis | Doc: yes, by the patients |
| 12:36.29 | Termana | :D |
| 12:36.43 | Termana | They sucked the oil out but didn't put it back |
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| 12:36.55 | Termana | If you know what I mean |
| 12:38.01 | Termana | pupnik, http://cgi.ebay.com.au/USB-Stereo-215-Channel-FM-Transmitter-Modulator-MP3-/170590928050?pt=AU_Electronics_Portable_Audio_Accessories&hash=item27b802fcb2 |
| 12:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: http://www2.rohde-schwarz.com/en/products/broadcasting/sound_transmitters/SR600E1.html?cal_time=1222498056 |
| 12:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: you lose |
| 12:38.55 | Termana | DocScrutinizer - The transmitters comprise the following modules: |
| 12:39.02 | Termana | VHF FM Transmitter SU135 (exciter) |
| 12:39.07 | Termana | WTF is the EXCITER? |
| 12:39.17 | Termana | oh baby, broadcast from me |
| 12:39.20 | RST38bis | something exciting maybe? |
| 12:39.29 | alterego | Who, like me thinks it's a bad idea for me to store track log in sqlite3? |
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| 12:39.44 | RST38bis | yes |
| 12:39.52 | alterego | I'm thinking of doing it, right now, because it's the easiest way to get the feature implemented. |
| 12:40.08 | RST38bis | just use a freaking flat file |
| 12:40.20 | Termana | alterego, you should consult your doctor if your doing squirrel communication. |
| 12:40.34 | alterego | I already use sqlite for certain things. |
| 12:40.50 | RST38bis | feeds Termana nuts |
| 12:40.54 | alterego | Basically, waypoints are stored in the sqlite3 database as are trip meta data. |
| 12:41.08 | Termana | Just keep trollin' trollin' trollin' |
| 12:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: afaik an Exciter is something that adds harmonics in freq band of human speech so audio sounds more brilliant |
| 12:41.31 | RST38bis | alterego: then why the hell not, once the sqlite screws up yiu will lose it all anyway |
| 12:41.33 | alterego | Actually, I've got a n idea. |
| 12:41.36 | ShadowJK | sqlite has terrible performance on flash media, second-long freezes are common :) |
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| 12:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: but here it's probably just the first stage TX, which excites the PA |
| 12:42.03 | alterego | RST38bis: why would sqlite screw up? |
| 12:42.07 | RST38bis | ShadowJK: which suddenly brings to mind...Fennec! |
| 12:42.14 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 12:42.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:42.23 | ShadowJK | stutter stutter stutter :D |
| 12:42.37 | ShadowJK | sqlite makes even rappers stutter |
| 12:43.02 | pupnik | thanks Termana DocScrutinizer |
| 12:43.02 | RST38bis | alterego: sqlite is known to damage its storage files every now and then |
| 12:43.18 | alterego | Good job I've got export/import then :P |
| 12:46.08 | ShadowJK | flash is like a tape drive, you don't want sqlite doing writes in a zillion random places on it.. a simple appending logfile would cause less load even if it grows to multimegabyte over time (at which point you probably want to consolidate it) |
| 12:47.05 | alterego | Like I said, it's just because it's very easy for me to implement it with SQLite3 right now. |
| 12:47.24 | alterego | I want to use flat file logging (well, I already do) it's the loading that's the problem at the moment. |
| 12:48.27 | RST38bis | dont load with fscanf then :) |
| 12:48.31 | ShadowJK | Structure isn't that important, but the resulting write access pattern is :-) |
| 12:48.39 | alterego | Actually, I think I planned for this. |
| 12:48.43 | alterego | (Is is a bit silly) |
| 12:48.50 | alterego | I designed columbus to do this ffs. |
| 12:48.58 | alterego | I just forgot how I did it ^.^ |
| 12:48.59 | RST38bis | anyways you already have sqlite there |
| 12:49.13 | alterego | Yes, I use sqlite for waypoints and trip meta information. |
| 12:49.26 | alterego | track logs are already stored in an NMEA flat file when configured. |
| 12:49.36 | alterego | s/track logs/logs/ |
| 12:51.56 | alterego | Yes, this should work nicely. |
| 12:52.25 | ShadowJK | sqlite developers are trying to unfuck sqlite by making it record all transactions as a constantly appending log |
| 12:52.39 | ShadowJK | that's reduce stutter alot.. |
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| 13:01.53 | RST38bis | ShadowJK: ACID-compliance any time soon? Will Oracle buy them? :) |
| 13:05.43 | Operated | Okay, seems, I found a solution. For google and log indexation: "Unable to enumerate USB devices" error in flasher fixes by installing old libusb-0.1.12 version. |
| 13:06.49 | RST38bis | ...Dear Google! Please check my account settings! Do you see "language: English" there? Then why the hell do you insist on serving me pages in Russian?... |
| 13:08.18 | kerio | RST38bis: your browser is requesting russian |
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| 13:11.29 | RST38bis | Operated: installing a version of Linux that does not require fiddling is also an option |
| 13:11.36 | RST38bis | kerio: nope. |
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| 13:12.30 | kerio | then you live in russia |
| 13:12.36 | kerio | you freedom-hating, godless commie bastard |
| 13:13.13 | RST38bis | settings FIRST. ip SECOND. |
| 13:13.33 | RST38bis | not the vice versa, bad google, bad. |
| 13:14.30 | Operated | RST38bis: replacing 5-years old deprecated depencies with new ones in such important utility is also good thing. |
| 13:15.35 | RST38bis | Operated: never had a problem, sorry. running latest stable ubuntu. |
| 13:17.27 | ShadowJK | RST38bis, google does same thing to me |
| 13:17.50 | ShadowJK | though google ads thinks im in japan and google search thinks i speak dutch |
| 13:18.47 | RST38bis | ShadowJK: you probably got a provider that sometimes assigns you dutch addresses =) |
| 13:19.23 | RST38bis | ShadowJK: Tele2 does this kind of thing in Lithuania, freaked me out at first |
| 13:19.37 | ShadowJK | No, I definitely have a dutch IP address. However, I've set language to english everywhere on google. it just periodically resets |
| 13:19.48 | ShadowJK | why adsense things think im in jp, nfi |
| 13:20.09 | RST38bis | now, THAT is ..mmm...kawai |
| 13:20.33 | ShadowJK | It's 99% groupon.jp ads, not that exciting |
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| 13:21.46 | Operated | RST38bis: it's so good to listen, that many linux users even doesn't know about this problem. Really =) |
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| 14:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | pfff, I *really* wonder what for that crappy defunct xkbbell is in standard fremantle |
| 14:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it even worked, prior to PA adoption |
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| 14:16.16 | alterego | Bloody passworded pdfs |
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| 14:19.02 | pupnik | i like being able to beep things with ^G |
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| 14:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | .gvfs @³Äâ¬1°!!##*\¿%$$!!!! >:-((( BSBSBSBS |
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| 14:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: alas xkbbell won't help, on maemo |
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| 14:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | wonders since when he got this FSCKING gnomefs .gvfs and what's the use a root cp -a ~jr /some/where is throwing error as not even root can stat that shit |
| 14:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke gnome |
| 14:28.47 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gnome ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 14:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart g* |
| 14:28.59 | infobot | makes a balloon animal out of g* |
| 14:30.06 | alterego | Has anyone managed to disassemble a Nokia C7? |
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| 15:12.04 | alterego | Bloody quiet today. |
| 15:12.28 | RST38h | run out of reality-modifying substances? |
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| 15:35.05 | psycho_oreos | I wonder where does fapman stores the names of the repos, its not in /opt/fapman-cache/sources.list. Looking to back the names up in case I import the list of repos from ham gives it weird titles again |
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| 15:35.56 | pupnik | hey nokia... 2000mAh or better |
| 15:36.04 | pupnik | go go |
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| 15:36.12 | RST38h | pupnik: Yes, and you agree to wear it on your belt, with a wire |
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| 15:37.30 | GAN900 | Nokia switching to WP7 |
| 15:37.50 | RST38h | No iOS? Aaaarghhh! |
| 15:37.58 | steinex | GAN900: source? |
| 15:38.01 | RST38h | buying iPhone right away. |
| 15:40.16 | steinex | GAN900: where is the source? is this confirmed? |
| 15:40.22 | RST38h | Yes. |
| 15:40.35 | pupnik | http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-3600mah-extended-battery-for-nokia-e61-europe-model-nokia-e62-asia-model-with-battery-door-in-silver.html |
| 15:40.35 | steinex | what about meego? |
| 15:40.52 | RST38h | No. |
| 15:41.08 | steinex | srsly, this is facepalm deluxe |
| 15:41.20 | RST38h | Yes. |
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| 15:41.59 | pupnik | might be time to invest in nokia stock |
| 15:42.12 | GAN900 | steinex, no, rumor. |
| 15:42.32 | GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69057 |
| 15:43.44 | RST38h | GAN900: He did not really say anything of the kind |
| 15:44.54 | pupnik | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=NOA3:GR check the stockc |
| 15:45.28 | RST38h | NOthing interesting happening to the stock. |
| 15:45.42 | RST38h | (see a longer term graph below) |
| 15:46.50 | pupnik | http://de.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NOA3.DE |
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| 15:47.17 | RST38h | looks comatose to me, sorry |
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| 15:49.23 | RST38h | Is XFade still alive and in charge of the Extras? |
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| 15:50.54 | psycho_oreos | rumours is the source of all FUD, period |
| 15:51.27 | RST38h | psycho: Lack of communication from the company is the source of all fud |
| 15:51.39 | pupnik | wonder how much of that E7 delay is due to exchange integration problems |
| 15:51.53 | psycho_oreos | RST38h, its what you get with companies these days, its not only Nokia that's doing it, have a look at Apple |
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| 15:54.17 | GAN900 | RST38h, indeed not. |
| 15:54.23 | GAN900 | RST38h, thus the hilarity. |
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| 15:57.56 | RST38h | GAN: Watching endless lemming hordes argue about things they do not understand and cannot affect lacks any hilarity |
| 15:59.33 | GAN900 | RST38h, perhaps a bit manic. |
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| 16:00.37 | RST38h | GAN: You want manic, try this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/happy-free-market-log-17643390 |
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| 16:01.19 | RST38h | GAN: Best consumed with this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/experiment-log-261-ad-de |
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| 16:15.02 | Savago | Good afternoon. |
| 16:15.10 | Savago | Anyone around that hacks in mBarcode? |
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| 16:16.16 | derf | Well, lardman|gone's nick suggests that he's not. |
| 16:16.41 | derf | I don't really, anymor, so I'm not sure who else to suggest. |
| 16:16.46 | derf | *anymore |
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| 16:17.52 | Savago | derf, I see. I was trying to understand better how it works |
| 16:18.21 | Savago | It seems that the heavy stuff is done by ZBar and libdmtx, right? |
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| 16:19.05 | Savago | Is gstreamer used for anything else besides display video (i.e. image processing/filtering)? |
| 16:22.44 | psycho_oreos | anyone tried to bind /var/log to /opt/var/log? |
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| 16:34.45 | marnanel | This is really more a dbus issue than a Maemo one, but I have a dbus service which dies with "Failed to register GObject with DBusConnection" on dbus_g_connection_register_g_object() only so far on Maemo and not if I run it on a desktop machine. (The code is https://github.com/tthurman/imgur-integration/blob/master/src/dbus/imgur-service.c ). Does anyone know where |
| 16:35.14 | alterego | Gonna write and release an app to Ovi this weekend me thinks |
| 16:35.33 | marnanel | I would begin trying to find out what that error means? I have read the source of dbus-glib itself and am none the wiser |
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| 16:36.04 | psycho_oreos | the rootfs and the /home uses the same chip right? oneNAND? |
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| 16:38.07 | pupnik | what is the delay in milliseconds of bluetooth audio ? |
| 16:38.12 | pupnik | range.. |
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| 16:46.18 | wjt | marnanel: i bet you have more than one ImgurUpload objec |
| 16:46.20 | wjt | marnanel: t. |
| 16:46.30 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, no, /home is on 32GB |
| 16:46.58 | SpeedEvil | The onenand is a 256M chip that is soldered on top of the CPU |
| 16:46.59 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, so different chips I suppose? :/ thanks |
| 16:47.08 | SpeedEvil | Along with 256M of RAM |
| 16:47.08 | psycho_oreos | ahh bugger |
| 16:47.49 | wjt | marnanel: you can't register more than one object at the same path on one connection |
| 16:48.08 | wjt | marnanel: oh, i see |
| 16:48.25 | wjt | in imgur_upload_init() you're registering the ImgurUpload object at /com/imgur |
| 16:48.34 | wjt | and then right after creating one, at line 300, you do the same |
| 16:48.51 | wjt | marnanel: you're also requesting the imgur.com name twice |
| 16:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: otherwise /opt would be rather senseless |
| 16:49.57 | wjt | marnanel: if you're sure ImgurUpload will always be a singleton, I'd keep the code that registers it at /com/imgur in its _init() |
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| 16:50.18 | wjt | marnanel: and then move the code in main which claims the 'com.imgur' bus name to after you construct the ImgurUpload object |
| 16:50.33 | wjt | marnanel: and remove the call to dbus_g_c_register_g_o from main, and the call to RequestName in imgur_upload_init |
| 16:50.39 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I was hoping to resize the rootfs but little did I know they were on two different chips |
| 16:51.09 | wjt | marnanel: also rather than generating a binding for RequestName, I would call http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/group__DBusBus.html#ga8a9024c78c4ea89b6271f19dbc7861b2 |
| 16:51.27 | wjt | marnanel: you can turn a DBusGConnection into a DBusConnection with the DBUS_G_CONNECTION_TO_CONNECTION () macro (well, it's called something like that) |
| 16:51.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | psycho_oreos: see: |
| 16:51.42 | wjt | marnanel: got to head out to a train, hope this helps :) |
| 16:51.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~optification |
| 16:51.49 | infobot | [optification] a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
| 16:52.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's said about usr/ there does apply to var/log etc as well |
| 16:53.31 | alterego | I still think /usr/local but that's just me |
| 16:53.49 | alterego | And FHS doesn't say /usr under different part does it? |
| 16:53.58 | alterego | Because thet's pretty retarded. |
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| 16:56.33 | wjt | marnanel: oh also i can explain some other time (if you're interested) why this crashes on maemo and not on your desktop :) |
| 16:56.36 | wjt | -> |
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| 16:58.38 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer51, bleh I'll read that some other time, right now I'm just a little annoyed with the lack of space.. my rootfs now sits on 40MB of free space |
| 16:59.52 | MohammadAG | how do i get the router IP address |
| 16:59.58 | MohammadAG | using ifconfig |
| 17:00.36 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, you can't try route instead and check for the line containing UG |
| 17:01.11 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, is that necessary? I'm connected |
| 17:02.05 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, well I don't know how to check via ifconfig but I can definitely say with route you can see where is the router's IP address or at least the default gateway |
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| 17:09.25 | _llll_ | ifconfig is for config(uring) the i(nter)f(ace) not for configuering the router |
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| 17:11.23 | luke-jr | ifconfig is also deprecated |
| 17:13.27 | alterego | There is no "ip" on maemo |
| 17:13.38 | alterego | So it's not deprecated here. |
| 17:16.37 | Corsac | it sure is |
| 17:16.48 | Corsac | there's iproute package in extras-devel |
| 17:16.56 | Corsac | (I never pushed them to extras-testing :/) |
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| 17:22.55 | GAN900 | Damn Glazers |
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| 17:28.47 | marnanel | wjt: I would actually quite like to hear why it crashes on maemo and not the desktop sometime |
| 17:28.58 | marnanel | wjt: thanks! |
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| 17:51.39 | Venemo | hi guys |
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| 17:53.51 | psycho_oreos | ahaha I love the advanced clock plugin, using binary clock, it looks fancy but now I have nfi how to interpret the time. The active little display showing seconds looks almost like as if its a braille display |
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| 17:55.54 | Venemo | lol psycho_oreos |
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| 17:56.46 | psycho_oreos | facepalms self for installing something fancy and now made himself look more like a blonde :) |
| 17:57.48 | ecksun | does less exists for maemo? |
| 17:58.02 | psycho_oreos | yes under qa-tools |
| 17:58.31 | ecksun | whats the package name? :) |
| 17:58.35 | psycho_oreos | less |
| 17:58.49 | ecksun | hmm, Im missing something |
| 17:59.28 | ecksun | whats qa-tools? :D |
| 18:01.47 | psycho_oreos | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_developer_tools |
| 18:02.36 | psycho_oreos | actually: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
| 18:02.56 | ecksun | oh, yeah, i used that repo a while ago |
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| 18:03.00 | ecksun | it fucked up my device bigtime |
| 18:03.05 | ecksun | cant remember how though :P |
| 18:03.12 | ecksun | think it was one pr update |
| 18:03.26 | ecksun | but how can anyone do anything without lesS? :) |
| 18:03.55 | psycho_oreos | they probably used more heh |
| 18:04.35 | ecksun | :D |
| 18:04.55 | ecksun | i feel that there is about a hundred lame jokes that would fit right now |
| 18:05.52 | ecksun | do you know if the packages there are optified? |
| 18:06.28 | ecksun | hmm, they claim that installing man on device is a bad idea :( |
| 18:06.28 | psycho_oreos | don't know, somewhat doubt it |
| 18:06.30 | ecksun | i want man |
| 18:06.36 | ecksun | yeah, i agree |
| 18:06.43 | psycho_oreos | I can't install man without breaking lots of setup internally |
| 18:07.07 | ecksun | oh, i see |
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| 18:07.35 | ecksun | i thought man was only a bunch of text-files, didnt expect that to break something |
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| 18:14.46 | steinex | ecksun: um, 'more' exists |
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| 18:15.05 | steinex | less is a feature-more version of it, so it's not a joke :P |
| 18:15.38 | ecksun | yes, i know |
| 18:15.41 | ecksun | thats why i want less |
| 18:15.49 | ecksun | i dont really like more, to few features |
| 18:16.19 | steinex | i have less installed via extras |
| 18:16.29 | ecksun | oh? where is it? |
| 18:16.33 | steinex | wheres the problem? sorry, didn't got the whole conversation |
| 18:16.39 | ecksun | i cant find the package |
| 18:16.47 | ecksun | less isnt contained in coreutils-gnu |
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| 18:16.50 | ecksun | atleast |
| 18:17.02 | ecksun | i want to know where i can find less :) |
| 18:17.09 | steinex | i have extras-testing and extras-devel enables, it's only there probably |
| 18:17.16 | steinex | s/es/ed/ |
| 18:17.21 | ecksun | i enabled testing |
| 18:17.24 | ecksun | its not there |
| 18:17.34 | steinex | let me check |
| 18:17.48 | ecksun | but your right |
| 18:17.54 | ecksun | there exists a less package in devel |
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| 18:18.28 | ecksun | if a package exists in two repos (freemantle utils and devel) which one will get prioritized? |
| 18:18.33 | ecksun | the one with the highest version number, right? |
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| 18:18.50 | psycho_oreos | I presume so yes |
| 18:18.55 | steinex | ecksun: right |
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| 18:19.09 | steinex | ecksun: you could use apt-pinning to prioritize stable versions, though |
| 18:19.27 | ecksun | yes, but i would rather not |
| 18:19.39 | ecksun | or, nvm, thoguht of something lese |
| 18:19.41 | ecksun | else* |
| 18:19.54 | steinex | apt-pinning will lead to other problems sooner or later |
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| 18:20.05 | ecksun | yes |
| 18:20.08 | steinex | however, i'm running extras-devels without any problems virtually forever now ;) |
| 18:20.13 | ecksun | but, less is an exception, probably |
| 18:20.27 | ecksun | steinex, yeah, but I have something against unstable software |
| 18:20.38 | ecksun | Im running debian stable on my server, which might say something :P |
| 18:20.38 | steinex | if you really just care about less, you could just get the deb and dpkg -i it |
| 18:20.46 | ecksun | yes, i know |
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| 18:21.03 | ecksun | but i dont think there are going to be any problem with installing it from devel, and then disabling it |
| 18:21.06 | ecksun | whatever thats called |
| 18:21.26 | steinex | that would be an option too, of course |
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| 18:24.51 | ecksun | have you used apt-pinning? |
| 18:25.12 | steinex | yes |
| 18:25.24 | ecksun | did you run into any problems, and if so, what? |
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| 18:26.11 | steinex | but i just switched to using extras-testing/devel directly and never encountered any problems |
| 18:26.21 | steinex | nope, there where no problems with pinning |
| 18:26.47 | steinex | but anyway... no problem with running devel... maemo is not debian |
| 18:27.02 | ecksun | :D |
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| 18:29.04 | steinex | and you will be happy about updates in third-party-applications that would need ages to reach extras-stable |
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| 18:29.52 | steinex | switching to devel won't upgrade any substantial maemo-stuff. that are third-party packages anyway. so, go ahead ;) |
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| 18:30.24 | ecksun | yes, i know |
| 18:30.28 | ecksun | but they are devel nontheless |
| 18:30.36 | ecksun | thats why i only enabled testing |
| 18:30.42 | ecksun | i have only used extras the previous year |
| 18:30.46 | ecksun | baby steps and so forth :D |
| 18:30.50 | steinex | uhm, well |
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| 18:31.12 | steinex | to not confuse things: upstream-developers don't decide if its devel, testing or stable |
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| 18:31.26 | steinex | maintainers of the repositories do (via votes from community) |
| 18:31.46 | steinex | a package might be perfectly in shape for extras-stable but would never end there because noone cares |
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| 18:32.30 | ecksun | yes, im aware of that |
| 18:32.55 | ecksun | but any maintainer can get their stuff into testing |
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| 18:33.30 | ecksun | so when stuff ends upp their you could think of it as the maintainer think its mature enough :) |
| 18:33.36 | ecksun | but now im going to eat, have a nice day1 |
| 18:34.01 | steinex | i'm going to drink, you too! |
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| 18:42.19 | Ehee | anyone here have experance with USB Host mode DMA kernel code? Im trying to get an x-box kinect hooked up to my N800 and i have done some hacking and have the devices showing up and trying to transfer frame data via DMA but im a bit confused by the data flow through the Kernel USB host mode driver code. |
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| 19:09.11 | mc_teo | hey |
| 19:09.24 | mc_teo | see this little app i wrote? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=930757 |
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| 19:09.53 | mc_teo | nobody responded so i believe i posted it in a board that recieved little traffic |
| 19:10.00 | mc_teo | where else could i put it? |
| 19:17.04 | kerio | UP YOUR ASS! *ba dum tsss* |
| 19:18.11 | kerio | mc_teo: sadly the GPS has some serious troubles getting a fix if it doesn't have cell data and/or network data |
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| 19:23.51 | pupnik | anybody know where to buy Neo-8 drivers cheap in europe? |
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| 19:30.49 | javispedro | hah, the autobuilder now hates me too :) |
| 19:31.11 | RST38h | javispedro: hey, do not turn bt off if it has been on to begin with =) |
| 19:31.16 | javispedro | for some reason, it's sending me scary python exceptions via email the instant I send it a package, then proceeds to build it as usual. |
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| 19:31.52 | javispedro | RST38h: that's fmrx-n900-enabler, nfi why it does that. need to read its logic someday. |
| 19:32.18 | javispedro | RST38h: btw about your background request, have you considered .gtkrc? seems easy enough |
| 19:32.31 | RST38h | javispedro: not yet, but hell, yes... |
| 19:32.51 | RST38h | javispedro: I just hoped for something that shows up out of the box :) |
| 19:33.21 | RST38h | btw, the radio came up showing (null) and 0MHz scale today, took a minute or two to make it work |
| 19:34.04 | javispedro | dmesg is probably full of bcm error messages when that happens... |
| 19:34.25 | RST38h | heh |
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| 20:05.41 | npm | regarding the packages updated by the community SSU -- i see modest, hildon and libvte updates.... what gets improved? |
| 20:06.18 | npm | from list javispedro sent in meego channel: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/blobs/master/debian/control |
| 20:09.38 | psycho_oreos | the hildon-desktop in the cssu is matan's mhd being integrated into the standard package. The rest I'm not too sure what fixes were done on them |
| 20:11.40 | RST38h | btw, what is this libvte fix someone mentioned earlier? |
| 20:12.35 | javispedro | that is osso-terminal |
| 20:12.36 | javispedro | prolly. |
| 20:12.45 | RST38h | part of it, anyway |
| 20:14.04 | psycho_oreos | seems like thp knows about it |
| 20:14.26 | javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
| 20:16.40 | chx | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:16.47 | chx | they fixed 6009!!!!!! |
| 20:20.42 | RST38h | thanks, javispedro |
| 20:21.41 | RST38h | aah,the enter key... |
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| 20:27.29 | chx | RST38h: yes. given that the most important ask for my N900 (ie the one that pays the monthly bill) is SSH and there is more oftne than not a screen on the other end, it's very ick ofr me |
| 20:27.36 | chx | s/ask/task |
| 20:28.01 | chx | for personal use, i mostly need GPS + Google maps. Vancouver is just too big for little me. |
| 20:30.48 | marnanel | another question. I have a package which is debianised upstream. Clearly I need a different debianisation for Maemo. Is the proper way to do this to have two copies in separate source control, or to keep them together and tell dpkg-buildpackage which to use, or to have just one debian directory and conditionals, or something else? |
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| 20:38.46 | unixSnob | how can AT&T phone credit be spent -- other than making calls? |
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| 20:39.31 | psycho_oreos | ask AT&T directly? |
| 20:41.59 | unixSnob | AT&T script reading sales dummies wouldn't be able to handle this question... suppose you have a PYG AT&T phone, and the minutes will soon expire. You do not intend to renew, but you don't want to waste the minutes |
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| 20:42.32 | unixSnob | psycho_oreos: e.g., you can donate the minutes to charity.. but would an AT&T rep know that? I think not. |
| 20:43.04 | psycho_oreos | unixSnob, don't they have an accounts department? *shrugs* |
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| 20:43.20 | psycho_oreos | I never dealt with at&t nor do I live in stateside :) |
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| 20:47.28 | unixSnob | psycho_oreos: well in the states, they are behind. They have not really gotten to a point of being able to use mobile phones to pay for things |
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| 20:59.30 | luke-jr | unixSnob: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme + QR-code |
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| 21:05.08 | unixSnob | thanks luke-jr.. I'm looking into it. looks complicated. are you saying I implement a means to do carrier billing myself? |
| 21:05.52 | luke-jr | unixSnob: just display a payment QR-Code and users can load it on their phones to pay |
| 21:07.18 | luke-jr | eg, display http://qrcode.kaywa.com/img.php?s=12&d=bitcoin%3A1KczVqwopWXQdFLe5sNQbpCq7yGSmXx2oo to make a random donation to me :P |
| 21:07.24 | luke-jr | scan that w/ your phone etc |
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| 21:09.40 | unixSnob | luke-jr: my phone is low end.. no cam. my NIT can read barcodes, but I suppose that's useless since my NIT doesn't have GSM |
| 21:10.01 | luke-jr | unixSnob: what does GSM have to do with anything? |
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| 21:10.30 | unixSnob | luke-jr: ultimately i need to use money loaded on a GSM account |
| 21:10.39 | luke-jr | unixSnob: well, bitcoin doesn't do that :P |
| 21:11.00 | unixSnob | the money is sitting in a PYG AT&T account that will soon expire |
| 21:11.09 | luke-jr | you pay with your phone, like you pay from any terminal |
| 21:12.44 | unixSnob | luke-jr: that's a bit vague. You can potentially pay with your phone by scanning a 2d barcode (if you have a phone with cam), or you can SMS pay for something |
| 21:13.21 | unixSnob | and I suspect there might be a way to pay online from a phone account - but that's just theoretical |
| 21:13.40 | unixSnob | in any case, I would be limited to SMS methods, and online methods, if they exist |
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| 21:15.03 | unixSnob | i wonder what it would take to act as a charity, solely for the purpose of accepting my own SMS donations |
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| 21:26.39 | luke-jr | unixSnob: there's probably huge fees |
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| 21:33.16 | Ken-Young | Are there any kind souls around whom I might be able to convince to test my app (orrery) in Extras Testing so that it might be promoted out of QA purgatory? |
| 21:34.38 | BCMM | Ken-Young: what does that entail? |
| 21:36.09 | BCMM | oh, you mean somebody who is allowed to promote stuff |
| 21:36.30 | Ken-Young | BCMM, It entails loading the app on your N900 from the Extras Testing repository, and seeing if you like it. If you like it, you can vote thumbs up on it on the Testing QA web page. If you think it stinks, or that there are major problems with it, you can vote thumbs down. |
| 21:36.41 | BCMM | ah, i see |
| 21:36.46 | BCMM | yeah, i'll have a look |
| 21:36.54 | BCMM | i've use orrery before, actually |
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| 21:37.09 | Ken-Young | BCMM, If you want to be more careful, you can check that it is optified, that it doesn't violate any of the standards etc. |
| 21:37.23 | BCMM | which standards are those? |
| 21:37.47 | Ken-Young | BCMM, But since this is just a feature upgrate, things like optification have been tested long ago. |
| 21:38.06 | Ken-Young | BCMM, I'l look for the list... |
| 21:38.42 | BCMM | Ken-Young: just to check, which version is the latest -testing version? |
| 21:39.35 | Ken-Young | BCMM, The latest version is 3.2, which is listed on the "Symbol Key" page. |
| 21:40.22 | BCMM | Ken-Young: how do you switch portrait and landscape? |
| 21:40.23 | Ken-Young | BCMM, You can also tell the latest version because it has two selection labelled "Astronomical Times" and "Analemma" on the "Other Pages" selection screen. |
| 21:40.44 | Ken-Young | BCMM, Sadly, orrery is a portrait only app. |
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| 21:40.59 | BCMM | Ken-Young: thought so. it loads in landscape for me... |
| 21:41.16 | BCMM | then goes to portrait when i go to another page |
| 21:41.23 | Ken-Young | BCMM, Really??? It doesn't switch to portrait? |
| 21:41.37 | Ken-Young | I've never seen that behavior. |
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| 21:42.18 | BCMM | Ken-Young: it may be a problem with my system |
| 21:42.36 | BCMM | Ken-Young: i've had trouble lately with getting the phone app to go portrait when i want it to |
| 21:42.42 | BCMM | i use a modified hildon-desktop |
| 21:43.06 | BCMM | but microB portrait mode works fine |
| 21:43.16 | Ken-Young | BCMM, When you got back to the sky map, returning from "Other Pages", does it go back to landscape? |
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| 21:45.28 | BCMM | Ken-Young: it's OK after going in to "quick tips" and back |
| 21:45.41 | Ken-Young | BCMM, Here is the QA checklist (http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_checklist), but one is not obligated to check the things on that list before voting an app up or down. |
| 21:46.14 | BCMM | Ken-Young: but i can get back to landscape by going to "red flashlight" and coming back... |
| 21:46.52 | Ken-Young | BCMM, Could you send me a pointer to a description of how your modified Hildon Desktop is configure? I'd like to reproduce the behavior you're seeing, and try to make my app deal with it properly. |
| 21:47.14 | BCMM | Ken-Young: do you mean how i installed it, or gconf stuff? |
| 21:47.35 | Ken-Young | BCMM, If such a description is practical... |
| 21:47.47 | BCMM | Ken-Young: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop |
| 21:48.40 | Ken-Young | BCMM, Thank you - I'd never run across that before. |
| 21:49.05 | BCMM | Ken-Young: the main addition is some extra keyboard stuff, including ctrl-backspace working like alt-tab |
| 21:49.56 | Ken-Young | I wonder what any of that has to do with portrait<->landscape ? |
| 21:50.28 | BCMM | Ken-Young: doesn't hildon-desktop act as the window manager? |
| 21:50.37 | BCMM | also, it could just not be anything to do with that |
| 21:51.24 | Ken-Young | BCMM, I don't know if hildon-desktop is the window manager. Sounds likely, but I'm just guessing. |
| 21:51.38 | BCMM | well, when it crashes the windecos disappear |
| 21:51.53 | BCMM | (this can happen when getting a new mail notification with the modified hildon desktop) |
| 21:52.09 | BCMM | but alt-tab is just so useful... |
| 21:52.27 | psycho_oreos | probably the new hildon-home from cssu might fix it :) |
| 21:53.10 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: what is that? |
| 21:53.36 | Jaffa | ~CSSU |
| 21:53.50 | Jaffa | CSSU is http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_5_gets_community_os_updates/ |
| 21:53.52 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, Community SSU :) |
| 21:53.54 | Jaffa | ~CSSU |
| 21:54.06 | psycho_oreos | !CSSU |
| 21:54.13 | Jaffa | ~CSSU |
| 21:54.14 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 21:54.21 | psycho_oreos | ~HAM |
| 21:54.21 | infobot | ham is probably oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. |
| 21:54.23 | Jaffa | Silly bot. Didn't learn it via DM either |
| 21:55.19 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: so basically, a kinda "PR1.4"? |
| 21:55.27 | Jaffa | BCMM: Not quite that big of a jump yet. |
| 21:55.29 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, not quite |
| 21:55.30 | BCMM | sorry, meant to highlight Jaffa |
| 21:55.42 | Jaffa | BCMM: MohammadAG likes the version PR1.3.3.7 ;-) |
| 21:55.46 | BCMM | yeah, figured it wouldn't be as big as all that |
| 21:55.46 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
| 21:55.52 | BCMM | Jaffa: heh |
| 21:56.18 | Jaffa | BCMM: It's the start of the process though. Lots of scope for lots of different types of folks to get involved to make it as big as PR1.4 and PR1.5 down the line |
| 21:56.37 | BCMM | "Added ~/.local/share/applications/hildon to the searchpath for .desktop files" - nice. |
| 21:56.45 | Ken-Young | Jaffa, That's nice to hear. |
| 21:57.07 | BCMM | (presumably, that means you can add stuff to the app launcher without getting clobbered by updates, right? |
| 21:57.19 | Jaffa | BCMM: Correct |
| 21:57.31 | Jaffa | Ken-Young: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Contributing |
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| 21:58.45 | Ken-Young | Jaffa, Thanks! |
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| 21:59.18 | Jaffa | Ken-Young: There are some easy improvements to the whole CSSU which can be tackled by someone without a programmer background, such as bug 11815 |
| 21:59.20 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11815 Add XB-Maemo-Display-Icon-26 to enabler & meta-packages |
| 21:59.36 | BCMM | oh wow, fixed the damn ^M in xterm! |
| 21:59.36 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, sadly you haven't answered my previous question :/ I guess the answer is no? |
| 21:59.38 | BCMM | splendid |
| 21:59.51 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: Sorry, missed it |
| 22:00.06 | BCMM | applications, such as "less" or Vim running under "screen" - i'd met that exact problem |
| 22:00.10 | BCMM | (both) |
| 22:00.27 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, ahh ok it was in regards to ham from the cssu, wondered if you were using it, if so, are you facing some `turbulence'? |
| 22:01.09 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: I am using it. What d'you mean by "turbulence"? |
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| 22:01.29 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, internal error. 'hildon-application-manager' closed |
| 22:01.37 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: No, not seeing that. |
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| 22:02.09 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: However, I don't think CSSU includes HAM does it? |
| 22:02.14 | psycho_oreos | all these seems to happen at random. Initially I thought it was red pill mode, but deleting the file and it still seem to do it. I can attach relevant crash dumps however :) |
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| 22:02.17 | BCMM | Ken-Young: when it says "Can you write documentation?", would that require any specific knowledge, or just the ability to explain things clearly? |
| 22:02.30 | BCMM | i mishighlighted again |
| 22:02.39 | BCMM | Jaffa: ^ |
| 22:02.40 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, dunno, ham is in the cssu repo and I thought it was also updated |
| 22:02.47 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: *Might* be related to the apt-worker shim (and dpkg-divert) |
| 22:03.06 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: Hmm. Missing from gitorious and so the Changelog |
| 22:03.34 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: Can you raise a bug if there to cover any packages in the repo which aren't at http://gitorious.org/community-ssu? |
| 22:03.37 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, guess I'll need to check the logs myself, hopefully its not from cssu but either way there's fapman for when such built-ins fail |
| 22:04.08 | Jaffa | BCMM: That doesn't require any specific knowledge. Hell, just tending the wiki and doing things like maintaing the installation FAQ (and maybe a normal FAQ) are great ways to contribute |
| 22:04.14 | Jaffa | beds |
| 22:04.17 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, hmm I could try, would be my first time raising bugs if its not through garage.maemo.org |
| 22:04.34 | psycho_oreos | damn, nite Jaffa |
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| 22:05.27 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, maybe make it more newb friendly would be nice too :D I had to get my doc contributions edited because it wasn't clear enough |
| 22:05.35 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: bugs.maemo.org is *much* nicer :-) |
| 22:05.57 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, ok I'll go through that, or at least will try my best :) thanks and nite |
| 22:06.05 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: Great thing about wikis is the iterative nature. All the stuff added under CSSU was much easier to tidy up than write from scratch :-) |
| 22:06.17 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: thanks; much appreciated |
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| 22:06.58 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: Don't worry about the component when raising the bug under https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Maemo%205%20Community%20SSU - there isn't a component for "gitorious" or "missing source" |
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| 22:07.16 | BCMM | Jaffa: is the changelog comprehensive? |
| 22:07.28 | BCMM | (finally, highlighted correctly) |
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| 22:08.03 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, ahh perfect, that's the link I've been meaning to look for (I must be getting tired, caffeine is wearing out on me) |
| 22:08.29 | Jaffa | BCMM: merlin1991 started on it. I would not say it was comprehensive no. In particular where things have moved up to the HEAD, knowing what's changed between the PR1.3 version and the HEAD by Nokians. Hopefully the debian/changelogs for each package contain some useful information |
| 22:08.44 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: It's off http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU so I don't have to remember it ;-) |
| 22:09.08 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa, lol haha then I'm getting lazy instead |
| 22:09.19 | Jaffa | BCMM: Again, something which is a little tedious, but doesn't require technical knowledge to consolidate (but may then get adapted by anyone to be more user friendly & understandable) |
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| 22:17.27 | trumee | Stock kernel on N900 doesnt have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/avoid_frequencies ? |
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| 22:18.11 | psycho_oreos | nope it doesn't have that file |
| 22:19.59 | trumee | psycho_oreos: is there any way to get that feature on stock? |
| 22:20.26 | trumee | psycho_oreos: i wanted to force the frequency to 600Mhz on a sip call |
| 22:20.28 | Jaffa | trumee: Apart from recompiling the kernel? |
| 22:20.38 | trumee | Jaffa: yes |
| 22:21.06 | trumee | Jaffa: what feature in the kernel enables that? |
| 22:21.09 | Jaffa | trumee: NAFAIK. There are governor settings exposed somewhere |
| 22:21.14 | Jaffa | trumee: No idea, I'm afraid |
| 22:21.21 | trumee | Jaffa: ok |
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| 22:51.12 | psycho_oreos | trumee, no sadly I don't have any idea about that without kernel hacking + compiling |
| 22:54.07 | trumee | i cant |
| 22:57.04 | nox- | just read about a community ssu, where can i read more? |
| 22:58.27 | pupnik_ | jonwil: not many ppl use it directly |
| 22:59.10 | jonwil | well I was hoping someone would be interested in using my findings to produce some new stuff for better control over which network the phone uses |
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| 23:03.00 | marnanel | BCMM: h-d contains the window manager (which is libmatchbox2) |
| 23:03.21 | BCMM | marnanel: thanks |
| 23:03.57 | marnanel | BCMM: let me know if you need to know stuff about how libmatchbox2 and h-d interact, or something like that |
| 23:04.58 | BCMM | marnanel: all i was wondering was whether problems with portrait mode could be caused by bugs in modified hildon-desktop |
| 23:05.34 | pupnik_ | jonwil: how bout maemo on other devices |
| 23:05.55 | jonwil | Thats not something I care about :P |
| 23:05.58 | marnanel | BCMM: how was it modified? |
| 23:06.29 | BCMM | marnanel: confusingly, "modified hildon desktop" refers to a specific package http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop |
| 23:06.42 | marnanel | oh, I see. hadn't run into that one. |
| 23:06.53 | marnanel | "modified rapture!" </mikado> |
| 23:07.04 | psycho_oreos | nox-, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 23:08.17 | psycho_oreos | the mhd (modified hildon desktop) is by matan, supposedly all the relevant tweaks and what not have been integrated into the now hildon-desktop which is available in CSSU |
| 23:09.06 | BCMM | marnanel: huh? |
| 23:09.11 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: oh, i was going to ask about that |
| 23:09.23 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: hildon-desktop isn't mentioned in the CSSU changelog |
| 23:09.28 | nox- | thx psycho_oreos |
| 23:09.29 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, I guess that's now answered :) |
| 23:09.37 | BCMM | is the changelog up to date? |
| 23:09.49 | BCMM | i mean, to what extent is it not up-to-date? |
| 23:09.59 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, well its actually mentioned as todo :) but I've heard from MohammadAG that its based on matan's mhd |
| 23:10.04 | psycho_oreos | nox-, nw |
| 23:10.06 | BCMM | shiny |
| 23:10.24 | BCMM | i don't think i could use it without "alt-tab" now |
| 23:10.30 | psycho_oreos | or at least its newer than mhd, put it that way :) that's how I asked him |
| 23:10.35 | psycho_oreos | nope you still can |
| 23:10.47 | BCMM | does it still crash when one gets email? |
| 23:10.50 | psycho_oreos | Sym/Ctrl + Backspace |
| 23:11.01 | psycho_oreos | I don't know about that, I don't use modest myself :) |
| 23:11.08 | psycho_oreos | you could give it a try and see I suppose |
| 23:12.33 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: actually, i think it was any "blue notification" |
| 23:12.38 | BCMM | (i know they aren't always blue) |
| 23:13.00 | BCMM | so does CSSU basically work? |
| 23:13.17 | BCMM | (i mean, it is any more of a bad idea than using extras-devel?) |
| 23:14.04 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, don't know of blue notification, unless you're referring the blue LED for incoming messages but again I must stress I hardly do emailing with n900, let alone dealing with modest |
| 23:14.46 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: when you get an email, sms, or missed call, a thing appears on the task-switcher |
| 23:15.22 | psycho_oreos | CSSU is basically in its infancy stage. I'm not sure how to categorise it as Jaffa would but at least their aim is to try and fix up the bugs from core apps mainly |
| 23:15.23 | BCMM | sometimes, switching tasks when one of those exists crashes MHD |
| 23:16.13 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, for SMS and missed calls I don't think I have had any crashes.. I presume when it crashes the little task bar restarts? |
| 23:16.33 | BCMM | yeah, hildon-desktop respawns |
| 23:17.19 | BCMM | although i think maemo will reboot if you crash hildon desktop several times in quick succession |
| 23:17.30 | BCMM | i guess there is some kind of watchdog there |
| 23:18.34 | psycho_oreos | no I don't have any respawns when it came to switching to SMS and missed calls |
| 23:18.54 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: do you use CSSU? |
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| 23:19.36 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, yes |
| 23:20.00 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: any issues with it for you? |
| 23:20.23 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, only with hildon-application-manager and its random crashes |
| 23:21.03 | jonwil | Can someone with a N900 handy (mine is still in the shop being fixed) run this dbus command and post the results somewhere? |
| 23:21.05 | jonwil | dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SMS /com/nokia/phone/SMS org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect |
| 23:21.32 | BCMM | cool, i'm going to upgrade. how long does it take, vaguely? |
| 23:21.32 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.phone.SMS was not provided by any .service files |
| 23:21.51 | jonwil | hmmm, looks like its called something else |
| 23:21.59 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, not very long, needs around 5 mins tops, mostly to do with waiting whilst the package gets installed properly after HAM :) |
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| 23:22.26 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: thanks! |
| 23:22.57 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, btw if you have mhd, its suggested to remove that, I have had that issue and I later noted into Installation_FAQ. The fix was actually suggested by MohammadAG which works |
| 23:23.04 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, nw |
| 23:23.26 | BCMM | thanks, i was going to do that anyway as it seemed like a good idea |
| 23:24.09 | psycho_oreos | that was the major road block as to inhibiting me from continuing community CSSU install :) |
| 23:24.09 | jonwil | hmmm, i dont know how you can send the relavent dbus command for that. |
| 23:24.38 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, not that I know any better but what exactly is it you want to achieve? curiously speaking :) |
| 23:25.00 | jonwil | well supposedly csd-sms supports dbus introspection |
| 23:25.13 | jonwil | and I want to obtain the dump of said introspection |
| 23:25.21 | jonwil | in case it has usefull info for what I am reverse engineering |
| 23:26.05 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 23:26.42 | psycho_oreos | wonder if you could dump available dbus commands and maybe grep from there instead |
| 23:27.17 | jonwil | dont know how to dump available dbus commands |
| 23:27.39 | marnanel | dfeet ought to help you with that |
| 23:27.46 | marnanel | or similar |
| 23:28.04 | marnanel | or you could roll your own: look into dbus introspection |
| 23:28.34 | jonwil | hmmm, will have to dig more when I get my n900 back I guess :P |
| 23:29.44 | BCMM | anyone know if there are any issues with kernel-power and CSSU? |
| 23:30.09 | psycho_oreos | marnanel, any idea where dfeet might be available? |
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| 23:37.33 | BCMM | what's the right way to remove MHD? does one need to explicitely reinstall the original hildon-desktop? |
| 23:38.15 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, just dpkg -r, don't purge it, it seems like some CSSU testers/users are facing Ctrl+Backspace non-functionality |
| 23:38.58 | psycho_oreos | mine is stated as rc which still leaves configuration files |
| 23:39.30 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: presumably, alt-tab is not a default and it only worked right away for you because you still had gconf entries from MHD? |
| 23:39.49 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: sorry, i don't understand "mine is stated as rc" |
| 23:40.01 | BCMM | possibly because i'm a debian newbie |
| 23:40.54 | ieatlint | has anyone ever dealt with the site my-maemo.com? |
| 23:41.07 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, yes it only worked because of MHD but you cannot proceed installing CSSU if MHD is installed. You need to remove it but not purge it which allows CSSU to be installed and I believe you will still retain functionality |
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| 23:41.30 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: i don't know the difference between uninstall and purge... |
| 23:41.50 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, dpkg -l| grep modified <--- you will see the very first two letters distinguishing the status of the package on the system, ii means instead, etc |
| 23:41.56 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: but in any case, i should dpgk -r modified-hildon-desktop? |
| 23:42.50 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, I believe uninstall or in dpkg speak: remove; removes the core files but leaves the configuration files behind. purge will not only remove the core files included in the package but also the configuration files therefore it won't leave any more traces |
| 23:42.59 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, you meant dpkg -r |
| 23:43.08 | BCMM | yeah, typo |
| 23:43.23 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, I think its also best for you to also speak in #maemo-ssu where there's testers/users finding out how to get around it :) |
| 23:43.44 | psycho_oreos | that and it'll save me from switching between either of the channels :p :) |
| 23:47.19 | alterego | purge will only remove config files that are installed with the package. |
| 23:47.44 | alterego | If the appâ creates config files at run time then they're not guaranteed to be removed. |
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| 23:53.34 | psycho_oreos | I stand corrected, thanks alterego |
| 23:55.16 | alterego | tbh I don't know the exact behaviour myself, purge might not remove config files that have been modified either. Though I suspect purge was designed to remove modified files and normal apt-get remove wont touch them but probably will remove config files that aren't modified. |
| 23:59.17 | alterego | wonders off to bed |
