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| 00:58.57 | jonwil | Just spoke to Nokia Care regarding my broken status LED and they gave me a reference number and told me to come visit which I shall be doing soon |
| 00:59.55 | jonwil | well I told them I was going to visit |
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| 01:04.21 | pupnik | hows the hacking goin jonwil ? |
| 01:04.57 | jonwil | so far so good, I posted to the developer mailing list with my results for the ICD policy plugins |
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| 01:47.35 | pupnik | Shukhov |
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| 02:00.09 | jonwil | anyone know what "PPU data |
| 02:00.11 | jonwil | is? |
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| 02:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: isn't that some packet unit that holds netto SMS data? |
| 02:45.49 | jonwil | I know its related to the CAL and to the WiFi chip |
| 02:45.57 | jonwil | as in its stored in the CAL and used by the WiFi chip |
| 02:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 03:31.48 | CableTwitch | Yo |
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| 03:36.47 | gunBoat | share me activation mic. office please? |
| 03:37.10 | CableTwitch | Mosey the aubergine quickly, Harold. |
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| 04:05.17 | Sazpaimon | so those windows phone 7 certified microsd cards are supposed to have very reliable random write speeds, correct? |
| 04:05.32 | Sazpaimon | Would they work well as swap space in an N900 as opposed to the internan eMMC storage? |
| 04:06.46 | BCMM | what does windows do with them that needs certification? swap or cache as opposed to filesystem? |
| 04:07.41 | Sazpaimon | i forget what the whole issue was but i believe it had to do with windows phone 7 pretty much destroying many microsd cards because their random read/write speeds were very sub-par |
| 04:08.24 | Sazpaimon | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/windows-phone-7s-microsd-mess-the-full-story-and-how-nokia-ca/ |
| 04:09.56 | Sazpaimon | should be near the bottom |
| 04:10.37 | Sazpaimon | but i assume so-called "windows phone certified" cards will have superior random access speeds to those on the market today, making it idea for virtual memory |
| 04:11.13 | BCMM | heh, i love it when microsoft occasionally does something cool by accident |
| 04:11.24 | BCMM | reminds me of the Vista-ready webcams thing |
| 04:11.38 | BCMM | they were required to support UVC to get the little sticker |
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| 04:12.08 | BCMM | meaning that the little "windows vista ready" sticker was a guarantee that your new webcam would work with linux |
| 04:12.11 | Sazpaimon | but am I right in assuming when these cards hit the market they would be ideal for our swap space? |
| 04:12.40 | BCMM | i don't know how the uSD slot compares to the stuff swap is on by default... |
| 04:12.50 | BCMM | even with an ideal card |
| 04:13.11 | Sazpaimon | the internal storage is still eMMC i believe |
| 04:13.24 | Sazpaimon | probably not optimized for random access |
| 04:16.53 | BCMM | talking of which, does anybody know why the io scheduler is set to cfq? |
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| 04:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | I guess the one that did that config should know |
| 04:20.21 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: given that it's probably a kernel default, they might not... |
| 04:21.03 | BCMM | is there anything in one of the repos that offers reasonably realistic filesystem benchmarking? |
| 04:22.22 | BCMM | basically, it's said that noop often works surprisingly well with solid-state gear |
| 04:22.29 | BCMM | and i'd like to test that |
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| 04:36.39 | CableTwitch | Damnit. Dropped this bloody thing, and two of the top screws seem to have popped out. |
| 04:37.01 | CableTwitch | Just hoping they can be screwed back in. |
| 04:37.18 | CableTwitch | Otherwise, I might have to be on my 4th device XD |
| 04:38.10 | Sazpaimon | hmm, I hear the Komputerbay 16GB class 6 card is the fastest card when it comes to random access |
| 04:38.23 | Sazpaimon | I'll give that a whirl, it's only like $40 |
| 04:39.33 | CableTwitch | 16GB solid state for what... 30 quid? Not bad. That would have required a small mortgage 10 years ago. |
| 04:40.09 | Dhraakellian | I'm getting seemingly random crashesâI take the n900 out of my pocket, and it's powered off |
| 04:40.26 | Sazpaimon | no, microSDHC |
| 04:40.35 | Sazpaimon | not an SSD |
| 04:40.45 | CableTwitch | I didnt say SSD, Saz. |
| 04:41.06 | Sazpaimon | CableTwitch, that's usually implied nowadays, my bad |
| 04:41.35 | Dhraakellian | have to take the battery out and back in before I can reboot it |
| 04:41.42 | CableTwitch | I just said solid state ;O) |
| 04:41.59 | Sazpaimon | here's the card: http://www.amazon.com/KOMPUTERBAY-microSD-microSDHC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B003O996G8/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top I'm gonna try it in the N900 and see if it works faster than the internal eMMC as swap space |
| 04:42.40 | Sazpaimon | I've read reports that it works well on a windows phone 7 device, which has very high requirements in regards to random read/write speeds |
| 04:43.17 | Dhraakellian | just recently had a reflash, and the only -devel packages I have installed are Rockbox and its documentation |
| 04:43.19 | luke-jr | Sazpaimon: microSDHC *is* a SSD |
| 04:43.39 | Sazpaimon | luke-jr, okay, you have me there |
| 04:45.14 | CableTwitch | I'd say CF was more an SSD thanSD |
| 04:45.20 | Dhraakellian | (it was happening before the reflash too) |
| 04:47.24 | CableTwitch | I wonder if we'll get an updated version of CF with a SATA interface? |
| 04:47.56 | SpeedEvil | Highly unliklely. |
| 04:48.08 | SpeedEvil | CF has an inherently fragile and expensive connector. |
| 04:48.21 | CableTwitch | The original CF was ATA, was it not? |
| 04:48.29 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 04:48.44 | SpeedEvil | But ATA->UDMA is not a big step |
| 04:48.58 | SpeedEvil | it's the same number of pins, using them slightly differently. |
| 04:49.22 | luke-jr | theoretically, you could probably build a flash card that fits into a SATA connector :P |
| 04:49.50 | SpeedEvil | Not quite - SATAhasno power. |
| 04:49.53 | BCMM | i think quite a lot would already, with a bit of blu-tac maybe |
| 04:49.59 | SpeedEvil | It'd need to straddle both connecotors |
| 04:50.02 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: eSATA does |
| 04:50.05 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 04:53.26 | Dhraakellian | wonders if power management might have something to do with it and how to diagnose |
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| 04:55.21 | CableTwitch | Mind you, USB3 is a rather tasty development. |
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| 04:55.55 | Sazpaimon | looking further, the class 4 kingston 16GB seems to have the best random read/write speeds |
| 04:55.58 | CableTwitch | Might actually be worth using external SSD units, as they can take advantage of the high bandwidth. |
| 04:56.12 | Sazpaimon | I'll give that one a buy then, I trust kingston, never heard of komputerbay |
| 04:56.56 | CableTwitch | USB3 card readers.... RAID0 them :O) |
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| 05:00.03 | CableTwitch | Saz: Let us know what you find out with that card. |
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| 05:18.24 | Sazpaimon | CableTwitch, I'm looking for cards that have good reports in windows phone devices |
| 05:18.32 | Sazpaimon | so far this has yeilded the best results |
| 05:19.06 | Sazpaimon | if a card has good performance in a windows phone, it's very high quality in terms of performance |
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| 05:19.47 | Sazpaimon | FWIW i still haven't gotten an N900 yet, I need to find a decent listing for it and get it once I get my tax return :( |
| 05:21.26 | Sazpaimon | i also need to go through the process of cancelling with AT&T and switching to tmo |
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| 05:30.45 | CableTwitch | Oh hell yes. The damabe I feared was simply retightening the screws. |
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| 05:39.04 | RobbieThe1st | ...And I just learned to be very careful around PHP when you've done a lot of JS. a + in php between strings doesn't concatenate, but doesn't bring up a noticable error either. |
| 05:45.14 | schmeego | is there a way to lock keypresses and touchscreen input, while still keeping the display lit while on charger? |
| 05:46.47 | schmeego | in n800 it does that if you have the setting to keep screen on while charging enabled, and then do lock screen and keys |
| 05:47.09 | schmeego | but in n900 it turns of display as well |
| 05:47.32 | schmeego | *of = off |
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| 06:11.10 | pupnik | As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose â that it may violate property instead of protecting it â then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. |
| 06:11.15 | pupnik | - Frederic Bastiat, http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html |
| 06:14.03 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: Ok, I've got a slight problem with that charge script. If BackupMenu is charging, and I reboot the device into Maemo, BME can't charge - It simply says "Not charging". |
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| 06:27.06 | Psi | is there an easy way to backup and restore the entire built-in flash on the n900? |
| 06:27.20 | RobbieThe1st | Yea... My application: BackupMenu |
| 06:27.37 | Psi | cool, does it backup to the microsd? |
| 06:27.46 | RobbieThe1st | Or eMMC, which ever you pick |
| 06:28.07 | RobbieThe1st | It's in extras-devel. |
| 06:28.15 | Psi | emmc? |
| 06:28.17 | RobbieThe1st | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 06:28.30 | RobbieThe1st | The internal flash(32-GB) |
| 06:28.58 | Psi | oh, so it can take a snapshot and backup to itself, nice |
| 06:29.42 | RobbieThe1st | Sort of, not quite - the eMMC is divided into several partitions: the /opt/ filesystem, some swap-space and the MyDocs partiton |
| 06:30.13 | RobbieThe1st | It will backup to the MyDocs partition or your SD card. It -takes- backups of the NAND flash and the /opt/ filesystem |
| 06:30.37 | Psi | i currently dont have a sd card |
| 06:31.09 | RobbieThe1st | Not an issue - that's what backing it up to the MyDocs is for - It's what's accessable over USB |
| 06:31.15 | Psi | what i want is to be able to make an image that i can copy to another pc so if i break/lose the phone i can restore a new n900 to the same state |
| 06:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: seems bme has another bug there. I frequently need to restart bme 2 times, and/or need to replug the charger USB, to start charging |
| 06:31.45 | RobbieThe1st | When you plug it into a PC and you see "n900" show up? That's the MyDocs partition. |
| 06:31.55 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: Hm, odd. |
| 06:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: probably bme is relying on some initialization of bq24150 and /or 1707 PHY |
| 06:32.27 | Psi | RobbieThe1st: does it backup the mydocs partition itself? |
| 06:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | which normally is either power-on default state, or done by NOLO |
| 06:32.51 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: That's what I'm thinking, but I need to figure out how to reset it to default |
| 06:33.07 | RobbieThe1st | Psi: No, and for good reason - it's 27GB. where could I copy it too? |
| 06:33.33 | RobbieThe1st | Psi: But that's not an issue - just plug it into your computer and copy it all from there. |
| 06:33.39 | Psi | yeah |
| 06:34.08 | Psi | could have it so you can backup to the mounted network share |
| 06:34.17 | Psi | the=a |
| 06:34.48 | RobbieThe1st | That can all be done from inside Maemo; Just a line or too of shell-script. |
| 06:34.57 | Psi | yeah |
| 06:35.06 | RobbieThe1st | Backupmenu does what -can't-; namely OS backup and restore. |
| 06:35.15 | Psi | ok, thanks, will try BackupMenu |
| 06:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: first thing to try is to wait 30s after stopping charging script. This should trigger bq24150 watchdog and cause a power-on reset, you'll notice this (in standard system booted) by the steady amber lighting up, which indicates bq24150 entered emergency charging mode which is default after power-up |
| 06:37.08 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, lets see,,, |
| 06:37.47 | Psi | RobbieThe1st: is the warning about permanent hardware damage from i2cset and i2c-tools normal |
| 06:38.20 | RobbieThe1st | Yea; just don't use i2cset yourself and you'll be fine |
| 06:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 06:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | there actually are some chips in N900 that have some registers marked as "do not write - might cause hardware damage" |
| 06:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | i2ctools are not a toy for users with no clue about the hw |
| 06:40.08 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: And heck, if you write the wrong thing to the charger, you -could- end up frying the battery, couldn't you? |
| 06:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 06:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | definitely nope, no matter how many times whoever repeats such nonsense |
| 06:40.57 | RobbieThe1st | Oh. Thats good then. |
| 06:40.57 | Psi | yeah, probable for firmware reprogramming and voltage settings |
| 06:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | bq24150 is immanently safe for battery |
| 06:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | you can wear out the battery rather fast, by mistreating it via bq24150 misconfiguration |
| 06:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | but there's no way to destroy the battery in a few hours or even minutes |
| 06:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | even less there's any danger whatsoever |
| 06:43.26 | RobbieThe1st | Oh heck. That's not worrysome at all then. |
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| 06:45.37 | Psi | RobbieThe1st: on boot got "error with cp /lib/libacl.so.1 /tmp/disk/lib/ code: 1" |
| 06:45.52 | RobbieThe1st | press space |
| 06:45.54 | RobbieThe1st | ignore it |
| 06:46.02 | RobbieThe1st | But I'll look at that error |
| 06:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. you can choose to set bq24150 to operation modes that are quite different from what's recommended, but you can't set it to operate battery outside of the cell's ABS MAX ratings, for all I know about those ratings (alas Nokia hasn't published those, so I have to use those of other similar cells) |
| 06:46.12 | Psi | getting a few more, pressing space again |
| 06:46.21 | RobbieThe1st | K. |
| 06:46.23 | Psi | ok, menu loaded |
| 06:46.31 | RobbieThe1st | At some point, would you mind writing those errors down? |
| 06:46.53 | Psi | i got 3 files |
| 06:47.28 | RobbieThe1st | That sounds right |
| 06:47.39 | RobbieThe1st | 3 errors you mean? |
| 06:47.44 | Psi | yeah |
| 06:48.38 | RobbieThe1st | Psi: I assume you don't have a ssh-server installed? |
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| 06:49.22 | Psi | /lib/libacl.so.1 , /lib/libattr.so.1.1.0 and /usr/lib/liblzo2.so.2 |
| 06:49.32 | Psi | all code 1 |
| 06:49.36 | RobbieThe1st | Yea. |
| 06:49.38 | RobbieThe1st | Thanks |
| 06:49.45 | Psi | i can ssh into the phone |
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| 06:50.32 | RobbieThe1st | -if- you have ssh-server installed |
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| 06:53.57 | Psi | i mean i have 'an' ssh server installed, i just dont know if its the package ssh-server (installed it quite a while ago) |
| 06:54.07 | RobbieThe1st | Alright |
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| 06:54.35 | Psi | phone is currently making a backup |
| 06:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: btw bq24150 also isn't one of those chips that have forbidden registers - you can't destroy it via i2ctools. |
| 06:54.59 | RobbieThe1st | K. Out of curiosity, did you install it from my website, or the extras-devel repo, Psi? |
| 06:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | lis302 accel meter is marked as dangerous |
| 06:55.08 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: That's good to know |
| 06:56.10 | Psi | RobbieThe1st: from the maemo package manager which i assume used extra-devel |
| 06:56.23 | RobbieThe1st | Alright |
| 06:57.06 | RobbieThe1st | Oh. -that- explains one of my problems |
| 06:57.34 | RobbieThe1st | Huh... I wonder why Version 0.60-2 never uploaded... |
| 06:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: I think you've noticed ShadowJK's script is nicely commented, so it's not really hard to understand and try to improve, if you're willing to read the chip's datasheet to learn about the meaning of the registers |
| 06:58.11 | MohammadAG | morning |
| 07:00.19 | Psi | i like the open-kbd = menu closed-kbd = normal boot |
| 07:01.12 | MohammadAG | I hate it, I want mind control! |
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| 07:03.29 | Psi | MohammadAG: sure, you'd just need to carry around a headset and a tube of conductive transducer jelly :P |
| 07:03.51 | MohammadAG | Psi, cool, right? |
| 07:03.52 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 07:04.15 | Psi | the idea is cool, but somehow i dont think it would look cool :P |
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| 07:05.12 | Psi | anyone know why recently i seem to have lost all the small fonts in the maemo terminal? |
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| 07:05.31 | Psi | it says "already at min font size" when im sure ive had it much smaller than that before |
| 07:07.43 | Psi | nevermind, going in to the terminal font options and changing it to 10pt seems to have got past the min font message, the +/- buttons are now changing the font size properly again |
| 07:09.56 | Psi | RobbieThe1st: backup seems to have worked fine, files are in mydocs as expected, 1gb for opt and 270mb for root |
| 07:10.33 | RobbieThe1st | Good. |
| 07:11.02 | RobbieThe1st | Do note they are just tar files, so you can go in and change/fix things if you need. |
| 07:11.14 | Psi | yeah, i noticed |
| 07:11.20 | RobbieThe1st | (But remember to preserve permissions) |
| 07:11.28 | Psi | starts samba and copies them to other pc for backup |
| 07:13.19 | Psi | used to use sshfs to get files off phone but samba seems faster, probably because its not encrypting it |
| 07:13.34 | Psi | should get around to installing ftp |
| 07:14.11 | RobbieThe1st | meh. SSH/SCP's nice and works fast enough. |
| 07:14.15 | RobbieThe1st | secure = good |
| 07:16.01 | Psi | heh 7gb MyDocs over phone wifi, this is going to take a while |
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| 07:19.13 | Psi | ok, 5hours, this is insane |
| 07:19.15 | Psi | time to install ftp |
| 07:19.29 | RobbieThe1st | Why not connect it via USB? |
| 07:19.40 | RobbieThe1st | You'll get better speeds... and keep it charged |
| 07:20.02 | Psi | yeah, i could do that, but im just looking for an excuse to install ftp :) |
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| 07:27.46 | marlaw2 | rsync rules :P |
| 07:28.10 | marlaw2 | i |
| 07:28.13 | marlaw2 | i.e. resume |
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| 07:29.45 | Psi | looks like proftpd under easydebian is a little harder than just an apt-get (dependencie issues) oh well, usb mass storage mode it is |
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| 07:41.42 | Psi | is there anything else i should check when it wont usb mount due to device in use? lsof has nothing to do with MyDocs and ive shutdown the debianchroot |
| 07:42.59 | marlaw2 | Psi, there should be grync in the maemo repo |
| 07:43.04 | marlaw2 | probably extra |
| 07:43.22 | RobbieThe1st | I find that unplugging, waiting for 5-10 seconds, then replugging works most of the timne |
| 07:43.28 | marlaw2 | if you need ui |
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| 08:01.02 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: Am I reading this write? If I set the MSB of register 04 to a 1, the chip goes into reset mode? |
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| 08:01.17 | RobbieThe1st | s/write/right/g |
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| 08:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | err |
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| 08:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.13 | RobbieThe1st | Oh, good. I think I was right, then |
| 08:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | trap cleanup INT QUIT TERM EXIT |
| 08:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | cleanup(){ |
| 08:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:04.13 | RobbieThe1st | It was commented out on my copy of the charger-script for some reason |
| 08:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | err, I'm not aware the charger script has it |
| 08:04.55 | RobbieThe1st | #echo -n Reset... |
| 08:04.55 | RobbieThe1st | #i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x04 80 |
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| 08:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | above is a quote from my jrbme script |
| 08:05.27 | RobbieThe1st | I'm talking about shadow's script, the one you linked me to |
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| 08:05.35 | RobbieThe1st | Either way, this -might- just solve my problem |
| 08:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it probably does. Esp if you use trap |
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| 08:12.12 | RobbieThe1st | Yes! |
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| 08:22.27 | RobbieThe1st | ..Aand, for anyone that cares, Version 0.61-1 has been uploaded with fixed charging support, SSH-mode working right again, and a couple of other bugfixes |
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| 08:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 08:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: it's been commented out in charger because it's useless at start of script |
| 08:30.47 | RobbieThe1st | ah, yea |
| 08:30.59 | RobbieThe1st | It's sort of useful at the -end-, though. |
| 08:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | you need a cleanup() that's called via trap |
| 08:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | as there's no "end" when script gets cancelled |
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| 08:32.14 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | I'm a bit late to the conversation - what is this update in relation to? |
| 08:32.35 | jacekowski | hmm,apparently egypt is disconnected from internet |
| 08:32.44 | RobbieThe1st | Point, though in my case I'm not worried - I know where I'm killing that script, so I can just run it at that point |
| 08:32.58 | RobbieThe1st | Provided someone doesn't yank the battery, it'll all work perfectly. |
| 08:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: err sorry - how can you execute something at a certain point in a script conditional just when it's killed? |
| 08:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | how do you stop the scrpt? |
| 08:35.17 | RobbieThe1st | Simple: Script A launches charge-script B. At shutdown time, script A kills script B, then runs the reset-command, unmounts everything, and powers off |
| 08:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 08:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, it works |
| 08:36.06 | RobbieThe1st | It works nicely; script A is the rest of my program, so I'm not exactly adding anything extra |
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| 08:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | it's unclean though, as you'll probably run the umount and kill even when there's nothing to kill or reset |
| 08:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | proper way to implement such things is to have a trap section in your primary script |
| 08:37.45 | johnx | or: umount /my/fs &> /dev/null |
| 08:37.46 | johnx | also clean |
| 08:37.48 | RobbieThe1st | Unless the charge-script dies due to a glich, there's no way it's going to be shut off.. :\ |
| 08:38.12 | johnx | (though bash-centric) |
| 08:38.32 | RobbieThe1st | Mainly because it's launched at startup, no matter if USB is connected or not. Laggy, but seems to work |
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| 08:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | you noticed your first statement justifying the 2 script approach started with "unless"? :-) |
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| 08:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | this "unless" was why I said "proper way" |
| 08:40.11 | RobbieThe1st | What I'm not sure is the benefit - I'd be moving the reset line from script A into script B; I |
| 08:40.21 | RobbieThe1st | I'd -still- have to kill script B from script A.. |
| 08:40.33 | RobbieThe1st | Because script A is my application |
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| 08:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | well, also because you frequently prefer to have one sequence of commands forming a function, in one file, just for clarity and maintainability |
| 08:41.14 | RobbieThe1st | That there might be a point. |
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| 08:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | somebody night decide to call script B, unaware it isn't working without the "postprocessing" in script A |
| 08:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | s/night/might/. |
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| 08:42.32 | RobbieThe1st | Eh... In this case, though, I -know- the reset code will be run no matter what else happens. If there's an error in the charge-script and it dies... No worries. |
| 08:43.25 | RobbieThe1st | And, nomatter what anyone does via SSH, it will -still- get reset as it's one of the last lines before reboot; no time for someone to screw things up |
| 08:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | I might call the script in my normal system |
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| 08:44.09 | RobbieThe1st | Yea. I might add a second copy to the script later, when JRBME comes out... But this seems a lot more foolproof. |
| 08:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | and I bet somebody will do |
| 08:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | (wait for jrbme) that's what I'd suggest anyway |
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| 08:45.15 | RobbieThe1st | I'm doing both. Right now, this works, seems to work well... and No reason to take it out when it makes people happy. |
| 08:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes, you even promoted it aiui |
| 08:45.43 | RobbieThe1st | I did? |
| 08:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | so no hurry, just update to jrbme when available |
| 08:45.57 | RobbieThe1st | Oh, wait... charging. Yea. Yea. |
| 08:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-28 09:22:27] <RobbieThe1st> ..Aand, for anyone that cares, Version 0.61-1 has been uploaded with fixed charging support, SSH-mode working right again, and a couple of other bugfixes |
| 08:46.26 | RobbieThe1st | Yes! It's up in devel now. It sure takes a bit, doesn't it? |
| 08:46.51 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: Yea; I thought for a minute you meant "promoted" as in "promoted to extras-testing" |
| 08:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | was not sure about that, but whatever, you published it, so no use in "revoking" anything right now |
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| 08:49.54 | MohammadAG | ugh |
| 08:49.57 | MohammadAG | windows is retarded |
| 08:50.03 | MohammadAG | it nuked itself on my laptop |
| 08:50.05 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
| 08:50.12 | MohammadAG | seriously |
| 08:50.15 | RobbieThe1st | 7, vista or XP? |
| 08:50.16 | MohammadAG | chkdsk deleted dlls |
| 08:50.24 | MohammadAG | system dlls! |
| 08:50.27 | MohammadAG | 7 |
| 08:50.39 | RobbieThe1st | Sounds about right |
| 08:50.46 | MohammadAG | I need to reinstall some "WDAC" thing, and it's part of the OS |
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| 08:51.57 | RobbieThe1st | Y'know, you'd think that these days it could automatically detect a broken file, connect to MS's site and download an appropriate copy in a couple of minutes... |
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| 09:09.56 | `Ika_Musume | humm |
| 09:10.18 | `Ika_Musume | is there any japanese language support for n |
| 09:10.22 | `Ika_Musume | n900 |
| 09:10.45 | psycho_oreos | in what way? |
| 09:12.06 | `Ika_Musume | well regional, since it doesnt support all kanji |
| 09:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't "leaked" 1.2 about honkong or sth? |
| 09:13.01 | `Ika_Musume | i dont know i havnt been updated |
| 09:13.14 | psycho_oreos | humm that I'm not sure of, I do know that media player does show Japanese titles but inputting and UI = no support |
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| 09:14.00 | `Ika_Musume | so noo regional ? |
| 09:14.14 | psycho_oreos | none that I'm aware of |
| 09:14.20 | `Ika_Musume | ok |
| 09:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | check available firmware image versions |
| 09:14.40 | `Ika_Musume | humm |
| 09:14.42 | psycho_oreos | but like I said media player does show Japanese titles if they were embedded |
| 09:15.03 | psycho_oreos | there's HK support for menus and very basic input for Chinese |
| 09:15.28 | psycho_oreos | oh and those support are only available via extras-devel |
| 09:15.37 | `Ika_Musume | its not media player , its for xchat and internets |
| 09:16.15 | `Ika_Musume | i hardcode subs into movies if i need to since anime have karaoke fansubsubs |
| 09:16.23 | psycho_oreos | xchat Japanese input? yeah that requires something like scim which I don't think there's one for Japanese |
| 09:16.36 | `Ika_Musume | i see |
| 09:17.25 | `Ika_Musume | thx anyways |
| 09:17.31 | psycho_oreos | internets such as browsing? well there's 3rd party browsers like chromium or firefox fennec or opera mobile for instance which can probably render Japanese texts |
| 09:18.05 | `Ika_Musume | firefox sux , its to old and plugins arnt supported |
| 09:18.36 | `Ika_Musume | opera eh , it dont support adobe flash |
| 09:18.49 | psycho_oreos | its fennec here we are talking about. Maemo's stock browser microB is based on firefox :p |
| 09:19.03 | `Ika_Musume | it is? |
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| 09:19.17 | psycho_oreos | well the internal engine pretty much is |
| 09:19.17 | `Ika_Musume | but it looks more like IE |
| 09:19.40 | psycho_oreos | hmm microB seems to also be able to render Japanese texts |
| 09:19.44 | psycho_oreos | lol IE |
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| 09:20.28 | `Ika_Musume | do you gys know if there ia any news on flash ? |
| 09:20.56 | `Ika_Musume | flash is the heart of the internets >_> |
| 09:21.09 | psycho_oreos | it isn't |
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| 09:21.24 | `Ika_Musume | cuz changing the flash ver doesnt always work |
| 09:21.30 | arp_ | flash is far away from the heart of internetz ;) |
| 09:21.48 | `Ika_Musume | well 70% of webpages use flash |
| 09:22.11 | arp_ | and if you remove the ad's, how many uses flash then? ;) |
| 09:22.31 | `Ika_Musume | well its not only ads |
| 09:22.38 | `Ika_Musume | its also menu,s |
| 09:23.06 | arp_ | the sites i visit doesn't use flash |
| 09:23.06 | `Ika_Musume | most of our dutch sites are flash based menu's |
| 09:24.14 | `Ika_Musume | its not just ad's sadly |
| 09:25.15 | `Ika_Musume | ohwell , hows meego going? |
| 09:25.23 | psycho_oreos | -> #meego |
| 09:25.37 | `Ika_Musume | is is beter then maemo? |
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| 09:26.02 | psycho_oreos | to the clueless, maybe |
| 09:26.50 | `Ika_Musume | i think there is just not enough support for lnux systems |
| 09:27.33 | psycho_oreos | which is quite a contrary, have a look at android |
| 09:27.53 | `Ika_Musume | how does windows run on n900? |
| 09:28.04 | `Ika_Musume | slow i guess |
| 09:28.05 | psycho_oreos | with little hope |
| 09:28.15 | `Ika_Musume | humm |
| 09:28.53 | psycho_oreos | 1) windows hardly came out with ARM ports so they have to run through emulator 2) The hardware specs for N900 maybe a little too underpowered for the likes of bloated windows XP and beyond |
| 09:29.11 | `Ika_Musume | i see |
| 09:30.15 | RobbieThe1st | Dos on the other hand... While emulated in dosbox, it's still quick because it's light. |
| 09:30.32 | psycho_oreos | more like because its 16bit ;) |
| 09:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | wtf, a site that's using flash menu is so fubar, I wish they had a blacklist that would enable my browser to not even try to open such crap |
| 09:31.24 | RobbieThe1st | Eh... Isnt W98 16-bit also? |
| 09:31.48 | RobbieThe1st | Or was that 3.1 |
| 09:31.59 | `Ika_Musume | heh |
| 09:32.31 | psycho_oreos | linux console would be far more faster than DOS, because it can be cross compiled to ARM unlike standard DOS (unless yes you're comparing against freeDOS) |
| 09:32.38 | psycho_oreos | I was kidding |
| 09:33.02 | RobbieThe1st | But yea, of course. And it is extremely fast, and we -do- have it. |
| 09:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ |
| 09:34.58 | `Ika_Musume | also whats the best video player witch support most formats? and attachments in mkv |
| 09:35.29 | RobbieThe1st | mplayer? |
| 09:35.44 | RobbieThe1st | But if you want a gui, kmplayer(which uses mplayer) |
| 09:36.10 | psycho_oreos | there's smplayer as well |
| 09:36.23 | `Ika_Musume | well 99% doesnt play if i keep it mkv though |
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| 09:37.00 | RobbieThe1st | kmplayer ought to play it provided the video/audio codecs are in place |
| 09:37.02 | psycho_oreos | I think it also heavily depends on the resolution/quality of the mkv |
| 09:37.19 | RobbieThe1st | mkv's just a container, and mplayer understands that |
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| 09:37.25 | psycho_oreos | if you were going to play blueray ripped movies for example of course it won't play, its too demanding |
| 09:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | or would you prefer WinNT? http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html |
| 09:37.58 | `Ika_Musume | lol nah there is 480 p encodes |
| 09:38.25 | `Ika_Musume | if it only was able to play them |
| 09:38.34 | `Ika_Musume | i havnt to re encode |
| 09:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | (watch the clock!) |
| 09:39.08 | `Ika_Musume | clock? |
| 09:40.49 | `Ika_Musume | they say its able to play h264 but i havnt been able to play mkv baseline h264 |
| 09:40.56 | `Ika_Musume | only as mpr |
| 09:41.00 | `Ika_Musume | mp4 |
| 09:41.14 | RobbieThe1st | What error do you get in the console? |
| 09:41.28 | RobbieThe1st | when you run "mplayer ./myvideo.mkv" or w/e |
| 09:41.45 | `Ika_Musume | unable to play format |
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| 09:42.40 | `Ika_Musume | well i load it basicly with mplayer not via xterm |
| 09:43.01 | RobbieThe1st | Run it via the terminal if you want to get any -meaningful- error datsa |
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| 09:43.41 | `Ika_Musume | humm so if its in .video how do i load it? |
| 09:44.18 | RobbieThe1st | cd ./MyDocs/.video/ |
| 09:44.25 | RobbieThe1st | then mplayer ./whatever |
| 09:44.32 | RobbieThe1st | note that tab autocompletes |
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| 09:45.42 | `Ika_Musume | kk gonna try an 704x400 |
| 09:45.58 | `Ika_Musume | downloadin onee |
| 09:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's been this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU where you should watch the clock, to not lose your timing |
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| 09:53.41 | MohammadAG | who uses x64 windows 7 here? |
| 09:55.01 | `Ika_Musume | tab? n900 have one? |
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| 09:56.21 | RobbieThe1st | MohammadAG: I have a copy installed on my laptop, why? |
| 09:56.49 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, can you check if you have odbc32.dll v 6.7600.16385? |
| 09:56.54 | MohammadAG | I'm kinda desperate now :/ |
| 09:56.56 | RobbieThe1st | Eh, sure |
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| 10:01.19 | `Ika_Musume | img829.imageshack.us/img829/3256/screenshot2011012811020.png |
| 10:01.31 | `Ika_Musume | doesnt play t.t |
| 10:03.06 | RobbieThe1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.13 | RobbieThe1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.18 | RobbieThe1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.21 | RobbieThe1st | Ooh, I wonder what happened there...? |
| 10:04.38 | MohammadAG | Windows/system32 afaik |
| 10:05.38 | RobbieThe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/files/odbc32.dll |
| 10:05.57 | RobbieThe1st | Not sure the fersion; I cbf actually running windows |
| 10:08.54 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, thanks, that's the version I need, but it didn't solve the problem :/ |
| 10:09.40 | RobbieThe1st | Darn. Any other files? |
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| 10:11.21 | MohammadAG | I'm not really sure :/ |
| 10:12.14 | MohammadAG | attempts to reboot |
| 10:12.17 | RobbieThe1st | Let me know if you do; I've got the laptop handy now. |
| 10:12.32 | achipa | X-Fade: X-Fade_ ping |
| 10:14.23 | MohammadAG | achipa, friday = weekend = he might not pong :p |
| 10:14.29 | achipa | sigh |
| 10:14.41 | achipa | well then no mobility 1.2 for a while :S |
| 10:15.41 | achipa | for some reasons it 'forgets' to publish it, even thought apparently the build went fine (I get the OK mail and the build dirs have the debs...) |
| 10:15.53 | achipa | anyone with similar issues ? |
| 10:16.43 | RobbieThe1st | It did it to me last night |
| 10:16.59 | RobbieThe1st | I built another build today and that worked fine :\ |
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| 10:18.33 | achipa | I would normally retry myself, it's just that uploading tens of megs through proxy hell is not fun... |
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| 10:20.50 | RobbieThe1st | achipa: That's what access to a VPS + ssh is for. :P |
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| 10:21.27 | achipa | well, if ssh worked well, I could just dput it ;) |
| 10:21.45 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 10:21.50 | RobbieThe1st | Huh... what's wrong? |
| 10:21.53 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, is the file in syswow64 different? |
| 10:22.06 | RobbieThe1st | Um... No clue. |
| 10:22.19 | RobbieThe1st | want me to check? |
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| 10:23.01 | MohammadAG | if you can |
| 10:23.12 | _ke | how do you guys sync your n900 with evolution? |
| 10:23.16 | MohammadAG | I might just give up and reinstall windows |
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| 10:25.37 | al_0 | where I can find the buzilla skin you guys use for maemo? |
| 10:25.45 | al_0 | *bugzilla |
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| 10:28.14 | RobbieThe1st | MohammadAG: the SysWOW64 copy is 565248b; the System32 copy is 712704b. |
| 10:29.22 | RobbieThe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/files/private/odbc32.dll |
| 10:29.33 | RobbieThe1st | For the WOW64 one |
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| 10:30.21 | X-Fade | al_0: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=bugs |
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| 10:30.35 | al_0 | X-Fade: thanks :) |
| 10:30.56 | X-Fade | al_0: bugs project at garage. |
| 10:31.17 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, THANKS! |
| 10:31.32 | RobbieThe1st | It worked? |
| 10:31.38 | MohammadAG | yep :D |
| 10:31.51 | MohammadAG | one more question, by any chance, do you have windows live essentials installed? |
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| 10:33.40 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 10:34.07 | RobbieThe1st | Though it's slightly out-of-date thanks to it deciding my copy of Windows was not genuine the last time I booted it up(about a month ago) |
| 10:36.26 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 10:36.35 | MohammadAG | the installer keeps saying UXcore.dll is missing |
| 10:38.46 | RobbieThe1st | Lets see |
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| 10:39.39 | RobbieThe1st | Nope; "UXcore.dll" doesn't seem to exist my my Windows partition |
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| 10:40.39 | MohammadAG | C:\Program Files (X86)\Windows Live is where it should be afaik |
| 10:41.57 | RobbieThe1st | Nope; no Windows Live folder here |
| 10:42.52 | MohammadAG | anyway, thanks, you were a big help :) |
| 10:44.12 | RobbieThe1st | NP |
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| 10:47.53 | jonwil | My N900 is now in the process of being fixed by Nokia Care |
| 10:48.12 | jonwil | Hopefully fixing whatever is causing the non-working indicator LED will not be complicated |
| 10:48.36 | jonwil | They gave me an estimate of "2-3 days" so hopefully it will be ready Monday or Tuesday |
| 10:48.55 | psycho_oreos | did you also made sure to backup yer important data? |
| 10:49.15 | kerio | >end delete it from the n900 |
| 10:49.16 | jonwil | yes I did |
| 10:49.18 | kerio | *and |
| 10:49.22 | jonwil | I backed up everything from the phone |
| 10:49.29 | jonwil | I didn't delete anything |
| 10:49.49 | kerio | the nokia engineers are now fapping on your $SO's nude pics |
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| 10:50.03 | jonwil | I dont have any pictures on my phone except whatever it came with |
| 10:50.14 | jonwil | and some pictures of cars as my wallpapers |
| 10:50.33 | kerio | they are fapping on the cars pictures then |
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| 10:50.40 | psycho_oreos | lol |
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| 10:59.18 | jonwil | well the Nokia Care website says "phone collected and awaiting analysis by a nokia technician" so they dont appear to have looked at it yet (which makes sense given that they are the only place in the state doing warranty repairs for Nokia handsets) |
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| 11:02.48 | jonwil | so now I am phoneless for the next few days until its fixed |
| 11:04.44 | psycho_oreos | I suppose you might be able to bug them through some public phone :) |
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| 11:20.01 | mece | hey how do I send a dbus call from xterm? Would like to do MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR |
| 11:21.14 | jonwil | I dont need to bug them, I will get an email when they are done |
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| 11:23.13 | mece | hmm perhaps something like dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_enable_vibrator |
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| 11:34.06 | mece | ahaa. The correct one is dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_enable |
| 11:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 11:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly |
| 11:35.02 | mece | yes exactly |
| 11:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 11:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:PatternIncomingCall |
| 11:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | req_vibrator_enable is doing just this: it *enables* the vibrator, but doesn't start it |
| 11:37.02 | kerio | listen to DocScrutinizer, he knows his shit |
| 11:37.18 | mece | DocScrutinizer, and what did I ask? |
| 11:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | mmmpf |
| 11:37.40 | mece | "Would like to do MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR" Is what I said. |
| 11:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 11:37.44 | mece | :P |
| 11:37.47 | mece | anyway |
| 11:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | whatever MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR might be |
| 11:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | looks like a kernel_config |
| 11:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 11:39.24 | jonwil | MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR is a #define in the mce-dev package |
| 11:39.40 | jonwil | and is #defined to req_vibrator_enable |
| 11:39.44 | mece | yep |
| 11:39.46 | mece | anyway |
| 11:39.58 | mece | the example here: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Using_MCE_interface_for_vibration_activation_in_Maemo_5 |
| 11:40.46 | mece | causes vibrator to be disabled on shutdown, regardless if it was enabled when the program started. |
| 11:40.58 | mece | and I used said example in an application |
| 11:41.03 | mece | and it caused problems |
| 11:41.18 | mece | and I wanted to enable my vibrator without having to restart the phone |
| 11:41.45 | mece | fixed the bug though :) (Just removed the enable/disable bits, since it should comply to the silence bits. |
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| 11:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | sounds simple enough |
| 11:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | and we learnt "don't use poorly written and/or documented examples" :-) |
| 11:48.50 | mece | yeah, I did it in a hurry. |
| 11:49.23 | mece | the example is fairly obvious, but I left in the enable bit for some reason. Guess I figured it was required to get that thing started. |
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| 11:54.17 | mece | I really need to get this thing packed up and sent to devel |
| 11:55.53 | alterego | Oh, this is awesome :D |
| 11:55.59 | mece | alterego, what is? |
| 11:56.07 | alterego | QGraphicsView + OpenGL + QWidgets |
| 11:56.15 | mece | ok...? |
| 11:56.23 | alterego | http://www.crossplatform.ru/node/612 |
| 11:56.27 | alterego | It works on the N900 :D |
| 11:56.49 | alterego | Allows for transparent widget overlays ontop or below an OpenGL (ES) rendered scene |
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| 11:57.48 | mece | yes |
| 11:57.52 | mece | is this news? |
| 11:58.04 | alterego | Well, no, but it's the first time I've played with it :) |
| 11:58.09 | mece | (I agree that it's awesome) |
| 11:58.17 | mece | what are you making? |
| 11:58.43 | alterego | I'm working on a "next gen" UX for my app Columbus. |
| 11:58.52 | mece | in 3d? |
| 11:58.57 | alterego | Yes |
| 11:58.59 | mece | oo |
| 11:59.03 | mece | magic! |
| 11:59.06 | alterego | :) |
| 11:59.19 | mece | btw |
| 11:59.33 | mece | interesting thing about qt apps |
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| 12:00.32 | alterego | This is all for v2, (still need to release v1) v2 will have desktop, maemo and meego UX |
| 12:00.43 | alterego | Maybe Symbian if I can get my hands on a recent Symbian device. |
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| 12:02.36 | SpeedEvil | keeps misreading symbian without the m |
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| 12:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | interesting how one half of N900 users is complaining about sluggish OS and fscks up the hw by OC, while another half is developing 3D GUIs and media players that distort album art just for fun and to annoy those who think the original was nice enough and just barely legible without any further distortion crippling it |
| 12:06.31 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you think my UI is distorted? |
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| 12:06.48 | alterego | mece: what's interesting about Qt apps? :P |
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| 12:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | I think I've seen album cover art distorted in some screenshots of that new mediaplayer |
| 12:07.45 | alterego | Oh, and you don't like it? |
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| 12:45.24 | mcepl | andre900: what is the current thinking on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9237 ... I went through the second pair of Nokia headphones and I don't feel like buying the third pair. |
| 12:45.27 | povbot | Bug 9237: Nokia's supplied wired earphone no longer detected after flashing |
| 12:45.43 | mcepl | Is it basically hopeless and I should buy Bluetooth or USB (does it exist?) ones? |
| 12:46.13 | alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/Screenshot-20110128-124225.png |
| 12:46.16 | alterego | teeheehee |
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| 13:03.43 | andre__ | mcepl: I don't have a current thinking on that |
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| 13:06.46 | MohammadAG | mcepl, uh, broken headset? |
| 13:06.56 | MohammadAG | flashing doesn't alter hardware |
| 13:07.20 | mcepl | MohammadAG: broken SECOND headset (this one stayed two weeks before being broken) |
| 13:07.36 | SpeedEvil | mcepl: Sure it's not a dodgy socket? |
| 13:07.43 | mcepl | and yes dmesg shows that system recognizes connecting and disconnecting it |
| 13:07.53 | mcepl | other headphoens work |
| 13:08.03 | MohammadAG | then you're breaking the mic |
| 13:08.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, cool |
| 13:08.40 | alterego | MohammadAG: looks good doesn't it :) |
| 13:09.13 | alterego | I just copied the graphics engine code into a new project and copied that columbus widget into the new project |
| 13:09.45 | MohammadAG | alterego, yeah, although I have no idea what it is :P |
| 13:09.49 | alterego | Created a new rendering "canvas" for my graphics engine and it allows me to overlay standard Qt widgets ontop of the scene. |
| 13:09.58 | mcepl | MohammadAG: could you elaborate on "breaking the mic"? Other headphones work with this N900 and these headphones work elsewhere. What am I breaking? |
| 13:10.08 | MohammadAG | the piece with the mic |
| 13:10.33 | MohammadAG | if the headset has a mic, the N900 does some checks which I don't know about |
| 13:10.35 | mcepl | how? |
| 13:10.39 | MohammadAG | I know this, cause I broke mine |
| 13:11.05 | MohammadAG | if you use another plug in between the headset, it'll work, mic won't though, because of the absence of the 4th pin |
| 13:12.19 | psycho_oreos | so that audio jack is even more flaky compared to n95? heh |
| 13:14.45 | mcepl | lovely ... |
| 13:14.57 | MohammadAG | no |
| 13:15.01 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, no |
| 13:15.08 | MohammadAG | the software to detect a headset is |
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| 13:16.25 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, o.O I was about to say, nokia producing delicate hardwares too now :) oh well I guess its the software side as usual for mameo |
| 13:16.58 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, kernel detects the kernel, but that thing that detects the mic is causing problems |
| 13:17.47 | alterego | There's a check to decide whether it's an a/v lead or headset when there's four poles. |
| 13:17.49 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah I was reading up on the bug report |
| 13:17.56 | alterego | And I think that's handled by a resistor. |
| 13:18.09 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, meh, I don't read bug reports, I vote on important ones :P |
| 13:18.16 | psycho_oreos | and tlol |
| 13:18.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, yeah, and software |
| 13:18.24 | psycho_oreos | s/and tlol/lol/ |
| 13:18.35 | MohammadAG | though DocScrutinizer knows more about this |
| 13:18.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ping, I need UI suggestions for hostmode :P |
| 13:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 13:19.07 | alterego | Next I need to integrate Qml widgets into my new columbus ux |
| 13:19.10 | psycho_oreos | the old n95 prompted asking if the plugged in device was either a headset or tv-stand. I used to tinker on that hours on end plugging and unplugging repetitively |
| 13:19.26 | alterego | Well, I should probably finish v1, first, :D |
| 13:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you remember 26. ? shall I pastebin the chanlog of #mhd? |
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| 13:19.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's not the point |
| 13:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or is there some other problem with suggestions? |
| 13:19.50 | MohammadAG | should I make the widgets scrollable in the UI |
| 13:19.56 | MohammadAG | should I get rid of buttons, etc |
| 13:20.07 | alterego | bbl |
| 13:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you don't know of a nice N900-borne rapid prototyping tool for qt GUI? |
| 13:21.21 | MohammadAG | http://i55.tinypic.com/28i259z.jpg |
| 13:21.33 | MohammadAG | I'm thinking of dumping the numbers |
| 13:21.46 | mcepl | I am not sure I understand what you are saying ... when I plug in headphones, NOTHING works, not only mic, nothing. By "using different plugin" you mean using some conversion to headphone micless jack? |
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| 13:22.20 | MohammadAG | plug the headset into a female to male adapter, and plug the male end in the N900 |
| 13:22.26 | MohammadAG | the headphone will work, the mic won't |
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| 13:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: it's handled by resistance of third contact from tip to GND |
| 13:22.47 | Funnyface | hmm, yeah how's the progress with USB host mode? working yet? |
| 13:22.48 | MohammadAG | then getting rid of the title |
| 13:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | mic=2kR |
| 13:22.58 | mcepl | MohammadAG: will try |
| 13:23.04 | MohammadAG | Funnyface, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 |
| 13:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | dunno about video/AV, either it's 1k, or 10k |
| 13:24.39 | Funnyface | brilliant :P |
| 13:25.02 | Funnyface | next step is charging + USB host at the same time then I guess. lol' |
| 13:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: eh? |
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| 13:25.46 | Funnyface | well they already made the impossible possible so why not? ^^ |
| 13:25.53 | MohammadAG | Funnyface, already done |
| 13:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: see this very thread, my 3rd last post |
| 13:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically as simple as boostoff; charger; |
| 13:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I don't get it. Did you ignore my suggestions for this version, or was I fuzzy as always? |
| 13:28.59 | Funnyface | I can imagine someone plugging in a TV, and a USB hub with all sorts of USB devices hooked up to it ^^ |
| 13:29.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm, no, you weren't |
| 13:29.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just lemme check up on everything |
| 13:29.24 | MohammadAG | speed detection can be auto by jrbme |
| 13:29.27 | Funnyface | mouse, keyboard, printer, USB NIC |
| 13:29.36 | MohammadAG | so I need to have auto manual = high/full/low, right? |
| 13:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: upper left: "speed" -> like clicking system menu-profile |
| 13:29.56 | alterego | N8 has bluetooth 3 doesn't it? |
| 13:30.01 | MohammadAG | alterego, yes |
| 13:30.15 | MohammadAG | 295kbps between the laptop and the N8 |
| 13:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: upper right: vbus, same thing, just (on, assisted, manually) |
| 13:30.22 | alterego | cool, lets hope N9 has it :) |
| 13:30.30 | MohammadAG | it does :P |
| 13:30.35 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:30.44 | alterego | Yes I forgot you had one :P |
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| 13:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | on selecting assisted or manually, a second menu pops up to select Ampere to charge |
| 13:31.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ah, so not a radio button like the one in the screenshot above |
| 13:31.10 | alterego | Got a couple of new (small) app ideas, gonna this time do an Ovi release. |
| 13:31.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, fart apps? |
| 13:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: middle: one large button "START" |
| 13:31.51 | alterego | nope |
| 13:32.07 | Funnyface | is the phone capable of supplying 500mA btw? |
| 13:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | 200m |
| 13:32.14 | alterego | Funnyface: no |
| 13:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | A |
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| 13:32.21 | Funnyface | ok |
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| 13:32.23 | alterego | I thought 250? |
| 13:32.35 | MohammadAG | 5V @ 200mA |
| 13:32.42 | MohammadAG | you mixed both numbers |
| 13:32.43 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:32.47 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:32.57 | alterego | Or I'm mixing up OTG spec ;) |
| 13:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 13:33.09 | MohammadAG | isn't OTG spec 20mA? |
| 13:33.09 | alterego | How is jrbme coming along? |
| 13:33.16 | MohammadAG | I might be wrong |
| 13:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | sitting here, reading manpages |
| 13:33.25 | MohammadAG | but the N8 doesn't charge the N900 |
| 13:33.29 | alterego | I seriously want usb host + charging |
| 13:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | and helping MohammadAG to specify the GUI for it |
| 13:33.38 | MohammadAG | actually, it does, for some time, then the N900 shows Not Charging |
| 13:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile coding every now and then |
| 13:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | well "coding" |
| 13:34.00 | MohammadAG | tries to get concept up |
| 13:35.03 | alterego | wonders how safe strobing the flashlight would be |
| 13:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | OTG spec is like 8mA iirc |
| 13:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | for certain operation modes |
| 13:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise unspecified |
| 13:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: for your eyes? NOT |
| 13:36.32 | MohammadAG | in flashlight mode, it shouldn't be bad |
| 13:36.37 | MohammadAG | I guess |
| 13:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | flashlight mode (aka 50mA) is ok |
| 13:37.09 | MohammadAG | alterego, VU flashlight? |
| 13:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | you mustn't use flash mode (300mA?) |
| 13:37.20 | MohammadAG | then make a motor controlled colour overlay changer |
| 13:37.32 | MohammadAG | then we can have a mini disco ball |
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| 13:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | the fire a few USB rockets with glitter |
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| 13:41.24 | alterego | Yeah, might try that, would be interested to know how fast I can make it strobe (in flashlight mode) |
| 13:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | too fast |
| 13:41.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so something like http://i54.tinypic.com/3ybs0.jpg ? |
| 13:42.07 | MohammadAG | alterego, enough to make a bat start using columbus |
| 13:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: if you want to kill the LED, then try how fast it goes |
| 13:42.25 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: heh |
| 13:42.34 | alterego | It's a bad idea I know |
| 13:42.44 | MohammadAG | there's an app for it on symbian actually |
| 13:42.48 | SpeedEvil | Ensure a duty cycle of ~1/10th or so at full power, and you should be OK |
| 13:42.51 | alterego | But Symbian has a strobe app ^.^ |
| 13:43.14 | SpeedEvil | The driver does not protect from multiple sequential flashes with a duty cycle approaching 100% |
| 13:43.16 | SpeedEvil | you can kill it |
| 13:43.29 | MohammadAG | would that get me arrested? |
| 13:43.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, fyi, it's ugly atm |
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| 13:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: almost- just for the layout: move the Ampere button first row, and make vbus and ampere bot 1/4 width |
| 13:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | maybe make the start button square and ¿¿red??, and left aligned. and use the right huge empty space for status textscroll |
| 13:46.02 | MohammadAG | so like this? http://i53.tinypic.com/2itmxeb.jpg (it's very ugly tbh :P) |
| 13:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | not 1/3 1/3 1/3. I thought like 1/2, 5/16, 3/16 |
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| 13:51.21 | alterego | Weird, I just did a ctrl+n expecting it to automatically open a new contact page from the desktop |
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| 13:56.57 | BCMM | oh wow @ the topic... "Problem is I have absolutely no backup of my data." |
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| 13:57.09 | BCMM | on an overclocked device... |
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| 13:59.24 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: pardon me for picking up on the end of a conversation, but was what is and isn't safe for the flash LED being discussed? |
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| 14:00.29 | BCMM | (i'm in the process of trying to write an app to play around with fcam, and want to know if it's possible for an error to damage anything |
| 14:03.05 | BCMM | is there a wiki page or something documenting what it's OK to ask the flash to do? is fcam in fact capable of doing bad things to it? |
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| 14:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: there's a max duration for flash of iirc 0.5s. Alas they haven't specified on/off ratio. But I guess flashing every second for 0.5s will rapidly overheat and kill the diodes |
| 14:05.59 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: max duration enforced by? hardware? fcam? |
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| 14:06.19 | BCMM | and are you basically saying that nobody knows how many times you can fire consecutively without ruining something? |
| 14:06.40 | BCMM | is it even capable of firing like that? it doesn't use a capacitor to get taht much current or anything? |
| 14:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I dunno what fcam can or cant do to flash. But iirc the flash driver chip itself has a timer to limit flash duration. But no heat shutoff or long term on-time counter |
| 14:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: max duration enforced by driver comment :-D |
| 14:07.42 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i meant, can the hardware really fire again that soon, or is there a cap to recharge? |
| 14:07.47 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: "driver comment"? |
| 14:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | no cap to recharge |
| 14:08.11 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> not 1/3 1/3 1/3. I thought like 1/2, 5/16, 3/16 |
| 14:08.14 | MohammadAG | I didn't get that |
| 14:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | you can fire flash like 10/s runing it in 3s |
| 14:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | ruining |
| 14:08.42 | BCMM | sorry, not quite sure i understood that |
| 14:08.46 | BCMM | on, 10 times a second? |
| 14:08.58 | BCMM | ah, so people have actually ruined them then? |
| 14:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: speed button 50% width, vbus 30%, Amp 20% |
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| 14:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: not afaik |
| 14:09.46 | BCMM | anyway, there basically isn't data on what is safe? |
| 14:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | no, just a comment in driver source |
| 14:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | plus empiric data from SpeedEvil |
| 14:10.41 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: oh, you mean there is a comment in the driver source saying "don't fire for me than .5s even though this driver will support that"? |
| 14:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | something along that line |
| 14:11.05 | BCMM | i should probably just read it myself... where can i get said source? |
| 14:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | err, maybe wiki has a pointer, under LEDs or sth |
| 14:12.18 | magnus_ | im considering getting a n900 for some development and to use as my everyday phone. i read that maemo is not actively developed anymore, and that meegoo is the new thing. will meegoo run on n900 without any obvious downsides (same battery life, same performance, same functionality etc) |
| 14:12.38 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: "Ensure a duty cycle of ~1/10th or so at full power" - does that mean "full power one-tenth of the time"? |
| 14:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt it |
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| 14:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | magnus_: anyway for now that's defnitely not given |
| 14:13.21 | RST38h | magnus: google? =) |
| 14:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: yes |
| 14:13.26 | RST38h | hides |
| 14:13.48 | magnus_ | RST38h, well, i found n900 as "supported hw" on meego homepage. but it doesn't really say how well it works now |
| 14:13.51 | RST38h | Doc: actually, do we have a relevant wiki extract in the bot somewhere? |
| 14:13.55 | BCMM | oh, that isn't bad at all |
| 14:14.12 | BCMM | that'd almost be usable for strobe photography, with extreme caution |
| 14:14.15 | magnus_ | so, does anyone here run meego on n900? and whats your experience with it? (using it as your primary phone) |
| 14:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ?? |
| 14:14.33 | BCMM | anyone know if fcam supports low-power flashes? |
| 14:14.42 | RST38h | Doc: the bot responds to certain keywords with their definitions |
| 14:14.59 | kov | magnus_, I booted it after installing in a micro sd card, it was completely unusable in its current state |
| 14:15.00 | RST38h | Doc: I was hoping it includes basic information on the state of N900 Meego |
| 14:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys meego |
| 14:15.23 | kov | there was a new release since I believe, so ymmv I guess |
| 14:15.54 | dm8tbr | I hear the new SGX driver should be in soon |
| 14:15.59 | RST38h | aha |
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| 14:16.14 | RST38h | ~meego-n900 |
| 14:16.14 | infobot | [meego-n900] grab image from repo.meego.com (meego-handset-armv7l-n900) and follow http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC |
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| 14:16.28 | RST38h | ~meego |
| 14:16.28 | infobot | i heard meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices |
| 14:16.45 | RST38h | ~meego-obsolete |
| 14:16.45 | infobot | somebody said maemo-obsolete was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 |
| 14:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal meego-obsolete |
| 14:17.16 | infobot | "meego-obsolete" is "<reply>see maemo-obsolete" |
| 14:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo meego-obsolete |
| 14:17.41 | infobot | meego-obsolete -- created by DocScrutinizer <~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Sun Apr 25 05:57:05 2010 (278 days); it has been requested once, last by RST38h, 56s ago. |
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| 14:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget meego-obsolete |
| 14:17.54 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: i forgot meego-obsolete |
| 14:17.55 | RST38h | magnus_ you want to read the thread at <DocScrutinizer> ~literal meego-obsolete |
| 14:18.03 | magnus_ | thanks |
| 14:18.06 | magnus_ | how much of the hardware in n900 is proprietary? |
| 14:18.13 | RST38h | magnus_ you want to read the thread at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 |
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| 14:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | magnus_: errr |
| 14:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | magnus_: define proprietary |
| 14:19.03 | magnus_ | closed source, no datasheets |
| 14:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, almost nothing |
| 14:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | modem for sure |
| 14:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | BT, WiFi |
| 14:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 14:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | screen |
| 14:20.33 | RST38h | wifi is standard afaik |
| 14:20.35 | magnus_ | gpu? |
| 14:20.45 | RST38h | imagetech openvr |
| 14:20.51 | MohammadAG | http://i53.tinypic.com/978zdx.jpg DocScrutinizer like this? |
| 14:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | magnus_: :nod: gpu as well I think |
| 14:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | magnus_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware |
| 14:21.34 | RST38h | cackles, whispering "every extra button added to this gui doubles the opportunity for a lemming to get it wrong" |
| 14:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: :-D |
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| 14:22.09 | MohammadAG | sure that's what you want? :P |
| 14:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's the reason why we reduce their number |
| 14:22.30 | MohammadAG | Because switching to QMaemo5ValueButtons will be an arse to implement |
| 14:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: for first row of buttons yes |
| 14:22.41 | MohammadAG | (and I liked the one click radio buttons :P) |
| 14:22.58 | RST38h | Doc: No way to leave just one? Or make it a background daemon with no UI? |
| 14:23.04 | alterego | MohammadAG: ping me later and I'll sketch a UI for you :P |
| 14:23.29 | flux | rst38h, it doesn't have to, really. the trick is to have the buttons do nothing! |
| 14:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you won't manage to find space for what I call radiobuttons, for this number of alternatives |
| 14:24.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I will, I already added scrolling support :P |
| 14:24.22 | MohammadAG | scroll down for more options |
| 14:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: nope, we need to select if we want vbus boost or charging. And I'm not sure auto-speed will ever pan out right |
| 14:24.48 | RST38h | oh |
| 14:24.48 | MohammadAG | like applets in Settings |
| 14:25.02 | MohammadAG | (like the phone settings app for example) |
| 14:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so we would need to have start button on top, and radio buttons at bottom - no good idea |
| 14:25.24 | MohammadAG | or radio buttons at top, and start button on bottom |
| 14:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 14:25.36 | magnus_ | DocScrutinizer, ok, so we are not free to compile any kernel we want on the N900? we must use a certain version and then bring in a few pre-compiled kernel module binaries? |
| 14:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | you'd need to scroll to hit start. unbearable |
| 14:25.57 | MohammadAG | these are radio buttons btw http://i55.tinypic.com/28i259z.jpg |
| 14:26.15 | MohammadAG | well |
| 14:26.21 | MohammadAG | I could make "Start" always visible |
| 14:26.27 | MohammadAG | and the parts in between scrollable |
| 14:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that sounds really ugly and clumsy now. But it you think it can't be implemented otherwise |
| 14:28.07 | MohammadAG | I just think the current concept is not hildon-y |
| 14:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | meh, why not? click system-menu -> connections |
| 14:30.32 | RST38h | Meanwhile: A study (abstract) from Penn State shows that a lot of teachers some 60 percent are reluctant to teach evolutionary theory in the classroom either because they fear controversy or they just aren't comfortable with the material (as not every biology teacher was a science major). |
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| 14:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | or "new contact" "handy" |
| 14:31.15 | MohammadAG | I was also thinking or getting rid of the title + help button |
| 14:31.29 | MohammadAG | title is window title, help button can be in menu |
| 14:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | s/handy/mobile/ |
| 14:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 14:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: agreed |
| 14:32.04 | RST38h | Mohammad, Doc: there is a special kind of button in Maemo5 that has a title and a subtitle. You can use it as a toggle button, if needed |
| 14:32.28 | RST38h | Not sure if it is going to be hildony enough to you, but many builtin apps seem to use these buttons |
| 14:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | the field type tags in "new contact" are exactly what I think we need here |
| 14:33.21 | RST38h | need a code sample? |
| 14:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | *shrug* |
| 14:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | it's mohammad doing the wizardry |
| 14:34.20 | RST38h | ok, I guess he will be able to find it |
| 14:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | the whole idea is h-e-n GUI is usually a one-click thing, as setup for speed and vbus is persistent |
| 14:35.51 | MohammadAG | the new contact thing is QMaemo5ValueButton |
| 14:36.16 | RST38h | any reason for doing this little dialog in qt? |
| 14:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 14:36.37 | MohammadAG | yeah, MeeGo :P |
| 14:37.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/topic/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.cpp.qt46/html/images/maemo5-listpickselector-example.png |
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| 14:39.13 | RST38h | Mohammad: Do you understand that Meego is not going to have QMaemo5* classes? |
| 14:40.03 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 14:40.09 | MohammadAG | obviously lol |
| 14:40.26 | MohammadAG | a reason I want to go with radio buttons |
| 14:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | meh, open a new screen with a flock of buttons then |
| 14:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | in meego |
| 14:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | fsck meego |
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| 14:44.51 | kodomo_ | DocScrutinizer: cool! thx for the link :) ; Is there something like a project page? I think you folks might save yourselves from a lot of annoying questions by perhaps linking the most informative posts in a sort of overview-webpage - given the turn from 'hostmode won't ever work' to 'might eventually work/will soon work' to 'working' there's a lot of clutter making it hard to figure out the state of this :) |
| 14:44.57 | rlinfati | hi, i install uboot-pr13 in my n900; now without a sdcard if i configure a alarm in maemo and poweroff the phone, this not poweon.... is normal? is a bug of uboot-pr13 ? |
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| 14:45.15 | kodomo_ | DocScrutinizer: context was: h-e-n charging question ;) |
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| 15:00.38 | MohammadAG | dotblank, is groove broken? |
| 15:01.19 | dotblank | is it? |
| 15:01.22 | dotblank | let me |
| 15:01.23 | dotblank | see |
| 15:01.27 | MohammadAG | returns 0 results |
| 15:01.46 | MohammadAG | but no errors in stderr/out |
| 15:01.52 | dotblank | yea |
| 15:01.56 | dotblank | thats oodd |
| 15:02.53 | dotblank | looks like they changed something |
| 15:03.20 | MohammadAG | i'm guessing you could figure it out :P |
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| 15:05.32 | dotblank | I think they updated a client version string |
| 15:05.44 | dotblank | ugh more wireshark needed |
| 15:05.52 | MohammadAG | lol no API? |
| 15:06.03 | dotblank | its all reversed engineered |
| 15:06.24 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 15:06.28 | MohammadAG | good job I guess |
| 15:06.33 | MohammadAG | I thought there was an API |
| 15:06.37 | dotblank | meh.. its pretty ugly code |
| 15:06.40 | dotblank | well there is |
| 15:06.54 | dotblank | but its lame and requires keys and the like |
| 15:07.05 | dotblank | I use the internal API and it acts like the webclient |
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| 15:15.19 | Tsuyo | Hey, does someone also have this Menu at the right top http://tsuyo.de/files/Screenshot-20110128-161148.png ? |
| 15:15.29 | Tsuyo | It opens when i shake my phone a bi |
| 15:15.31 | Tsuyo | t* |
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| 15:16.41 | kerio | lol at "internal ip" |
| 15:16.50 | kerio | also ._. at the overclock menu |
| 15:17.04 | Tsuyo | Yeah. i was to lazy to change the height |
| 15:17.17 | Tsuyo | or, to lazy to change this cmd |
| 15:17.44 | Tsuyo | Whats the problem with the overclock menu ? |
| 15:17.49 | kerio | the overclock |
| 15:18.07 | kerio | i suppose it's ok if you can buy a new n900 in two months |
| 15:18.10 | Tsuyo | Well, that should be my problem if i overclock my phone or not. |
| 15:18.31 | Tsuyo | Its already a year old |
| 15:18.46 | kerio | always overclocked? lucky |
| 15:19.30 | Tsuyo | No, not always. If i need more power, i set it higher, if i need less power, i set the limit down |
| 15:20.26 | kerio | you "need" more power |
| 15:20.27 | kerio | ? |
| 15:21.50 | Tsuyo | If i need more power. Yes. |
| 15:22.12 | Tsuyo | But how do i remove this menu? |
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| 15:34.15 | jonwil | wonders whether the Nokia guys fixing his phone are going to care what software he installed (i.e. whether there is software that would void the warranty if you installed it) |
| 15:34.39 | jonwil | My guess is they wont even know |
| 15:34.56 | jonwil | since it appears as though a complete software reinstall is one of the first steps they try for any problem |
| 15:34.57 | kerio | wonders why jonwil didn't push "delete EVERYTHING!1!1" before giving his n900 away |
| 15:35.17 | jonwil | didnt think about it |
| 15:35.27 | jonwil | I did backup everything |
| 15:35.29 | MohammadAG | you gave your N900 about it? |
| 15:35.39 | jonwil | I gave my N900 to Nokia Care |
| 15:35.43 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 15:35.47 | MohammadAG | I thought you sold it |
| 15:35.50 | jonwil | to fix my screwed notification LED |
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| 15:36.06 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 15:36.11 | MohammadAG | what happened to it? |
| 15:36.18 | jonwil | it doesn't light up |
| 15:36.42 | jonwil | per what others said here (and the fact the front facing camera is also stuffed) it sounds like the cable connecting the 2 halves of the phone is likely to be loose or broken |
| 15:37.25 | MohammadAG | and did the kb light up? |
| 15:37.34 | jonwil | yes, the KB lights up fine |
| 15:37.49 | jonwil | we ran all the low-level tests last night (sending stuff directly to /proc entries) |
| 15:38.36 | jonwil | in any case I dont think anything I did would be considered "warranty voiding" on the N900 (given that everything I installed either came from extras or from ovi store) |
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| 16:05.06 | makulkar | how to capture ipdump from n900? any tool? |
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| 16:05.58 | SpeedEvil | ipdump? |
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| 16:15.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | tcpdump?? |
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| 16:15.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | tshark? |
| 16:16.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | wireshark? |
| 16:16.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf ipdump? |
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| 16:21.10 | makulkar | SpeedEvil, http logs, incoming/outgoing. Are you sayin ipdump itself a tool or something? :) |
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| 16:21.16 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: tcpdump? |
| 16:21.46 | makulkar | alterego, so I install tcpdump on my n900 and start it in background then try my use case? |
| 16:21.55 | alterego | yes |
| 16:22.03 | alterego | Are you using an N900 today? |
| 16:22.09 | makulkar | alterego, yes for a change :) |
| 16:22.17 | alterego | Good ;) |
| 16:22.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | makulkar: check wireshark/tshark |
| 16:23.05 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer51: ah I dint know they run on n900! will try that as well |
| 16:23.38 | alterego | makulkar: they do, but it's a bit fiddly, I'd use tcpdump then load the logs in wireshark on your desktop |
| 16:24.25 | makulkar | alterego, ah ok.. I see tcpdump running, I just redirect the output to a cap file? |
| 16:25.25 | alterego | makulkar: exactly, then you can view/analyse that file in wireshark on a desktop :) |
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| 17:21.32 | mc_teo | so, hey there |
| 17:21.55 | mc_teo | just wondering which board would be best for showing some code |
| 17:22.00 | mc_teo | like poc code |
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| 18:27.42 | RST38h | moo lcuk |
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| 18:55.56 | marnanel | oh, I meant to ask about this last night... in scratchbox, my libtool is sticking an X in front of every line of its input so nothing works. It's quite weird. I can show you pastebin if you'd like. Is this a known issue? |
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| 18:58.32 | wjt | marnanel: hey, i've had that. outside scratchbox. can't remember what i tracked it down to :( |
| 18:58.58 | marnanel | :( thanks anyway |
| 18:59.29 | wjt | i think it was some kind of autogoats version mismatch |
| 18:59.52 | marnanel | (It seems to be a regex called Xsed which is going haywire and applying in places it's not supposed to. But I don't know how I'd begin to go about fixing that without pulling autotools to pieces.) |
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| 19:04.13 | marnanel | asks on #gnome-hackers and is told "Yeah, I've seen that, I work around it by building all my makefiles by hand" |
| 19:04.16 | marnanel | Oh lovely. |
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| 20:55.19 | Funnyface | has anyone tried that game gripper for the N900 available from here? http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Nokia-N900-Game-accessory-Game-Gripper-SNES-/180542418361?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a092aadb9 |
| 20:55.46 | Funnyface | I am thinking of getting one, not because I need it that much, but simply because it looks awesome.. |
| 20:56.03 | ThreeM | lol |
| 20:56.08 | ThreeM | *bookmarking* |
| 20:56.27 | Funnyface | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9D8cedGr30 here's a video of it |
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| 21:01.45 | compengi | hello all, i'm impressed by nokia n900. i don't have it yet, but i'm very impressed by the phone and and it's OS. but i have one thing disturbing my head. i was told that nokia dropped support and development for maemo, this means it's only community support now? how about further development, software updates and bug fixes? |
| 21:02.34 | makulkar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.02 | luke-jr | compengi: you can't be impressed until you have it. |
| 21:03.18 | luke-jr | makulkar: MeeGo isn't supported on N900 |
| 21:03.37 | ShadowJK | actually it's also becomiing hard to acquire N900 |
| 21:03.49 | luke-jr | compengi: if history says anything, N900 won't get any further development, except for some fraction of community stuff |
| 21:03.51 | alterego | makulkar: I replied to your question in #MeeGo |
| 21:04.20 | Funnyface | there are unofficial meego and android ports for it afaik, but I haven't tested them myself |
| 21:04.24 | luke-jr | compengi: also, since Maemo is mostly closed source, the community *can't* support the OS |
| 21:04.34 | luke-jr | Funnyface: keyword: unofficial |
| 21:04.49 | compengi | luke-jr, i've seen many videos from maemo.nokia.com/videos and was very impressed, actually i've been looking for video from youtube few days already |
| 21:05.04 | compengi | oh |
| 21:05.06 | Funnyface | my experience with ports like that is that not all the hardware will work properly, and that trying to get it working with your own language and keyboard layout turns out to be much harder than expected |
| 21:05.13 | compengi | very very sad :/ |
| 21:05.18 | luke-jr | compengi: for example, N8x0 has basically been dead and bitrotting at fast pace since N900 was released |
| 21:05.35 | ShadowJK | The meego port is actually done mostly by people paid by nokia |
| 21:05.47 | luke-jr | however, unlike N8x0, N900 *does* have 90% of hardware drivers open |
| 21:05.59 | luke-jr | so *replacing* Maemo is possible |
| 21:06.08 | makulkar | luke-jr, I saw some thread/blog about n900 running meego? |
| 21:06.15 | compengi | why nokia dropped support for the os? |
| 21:06.19 | luke-jr | makulkar: if you like CLI :p |
| 21:06.26 | luke-jr | compengi: because Nokia does that. |
| 21:06.28 | alterego | Nothing has replaced the N900 yet |
| 21:06.34 | Funnyface | commercial purposes |
| 21:06.48 | compengi | alterego, exactly |
| 21:06.56 | luke-jr | compengi: they see no financial gain to continuing support |
| 21:07.10 | alterego | And unlike the N8x0 and 770 the N900 is powerful enough to have a _bit_ more longevity |
| 21:07.12 | ShadowJK | compengi, their idea is that when it meets the specs (which are secret and stupid), it's done and completed and time to work on next thing |
| 21:07.18 | Funnyface | I'd be happy if they'd just release an official meego ROM to be honest |
| 21:07.34 | compengi | luke-jr, this os could have replaced symbian probably |
| 21:08.12 | mikki-kun | compengi: not totally, people usually don't like it to have their OS 'open' *pointing at iphone and all the other closed roms of android* |
| 21:08.16 | luke-jr | compengi: Maemo isn't a phone OS. Symbian is. |
| 21:08.20 | luke-jr | compengi: they don't really compete. |
| 21:08.41 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: Maemo N900 never met the specs |
| 21:08.47 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: it can't record DVD quality video |
| 21:09.32 | ShadowJK | Depends which dvd mastering studio you compare with :-) |
| 21:09.39 | compengi | but n900 with maemo could complete iphone |
| 21:09.40 | alterego | mikki-kun: that's bullshit, people don't care |
| 21:09.44 | luke-jr | no DVD video has dropped frames all over |
| 21:10.00 | luke-jr | compengi: no. again, iPhone is a phone SO |
| 21:10.01 | luke-jr | OS* |
| 21:10.04 | mikki-kun | alterego: they care if it reads iphone =p |
| 21:10.07 | alterego | mikki-kun: or if they do it's way to early to tell. especially considering Android (open) is open. |
| 21:10.30 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, yes they do, I have fixed videos like that from DVDs I've bought :-) |
| 21:10.46 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: ⦠|
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| 21:11.01 | luke-jr | compengi: if you expect N900/Mameo to be a phone, you will be sorely disappointed when you get it |
| 21:11.13 | compengi | luke-jr, even with the features on maemo? |
| 21:11.14 | mikki-kun | alterego: well, it might be 'open', but there are still firmware which is closed source and even some android phonemakers won't show the source of the ROMs... |
| 21:11.25 | compengi | luke-jr, i don't |
| 21:11.41 | luke-jr | compengi: people who buy iPhones want a phone. |
| 21:11.42 | compengi | but i would like it to be a continues project |
| 21:12.03 | luke-jr | compengi: you realize N900 doesn't have 1 GB RAM, right? |
| 21:12.07 | mikki-kun | luke-jr: hey, it is more of a phone than anything else... you can have several sip-accounts and skype running while using your 3g-dataplan and receive phone calls |
| 21:12.22 | compengi | luke-jr, not really. people who buy iphone want a game console |
| 21:12.44 | compengi | i haven't seen someone using iphone for calling |
| 21:12.51 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 21:13.01 | compengi | web surfing and gaming |
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| 21:13.07 | compengi | that's all what they do |
| 21:13.18 | luke-jr | compengi: you realize N900 doesn't have 1 GB RAM, right? |
| 21:13.29 | compengi | iphone does? |
| 21:13.30 | ShadowJK | Usually it happens when their source has been VFR and then at some point mastered for NTSC, they tend to just drop frames for PAL sometimes, which more or less gets you half the lines from a random frame and other half of the lines from another frame.. |
| 21:13.58 | luke-jr | compengi: no, but Nokia claims N900 does implicitly |
| 21:14.07 | luke-jr | compengi: N900 ships with 256 MB RAM + 768 MB swap |
| 21:14.33 | luke-jr | compengi: Maemo is so bloated that it *requires* that swap or it won't even boot. |
| 21:14.50 | ShadowJK | mine boots fine :) |
| 21:15.06 | compengi | luke-jr, who buys iphone doesn't want to know what's in it |
| 21:15.08 | ShadowJK | swap use is at 0 right after boot |
| 21:15.14 | compengi | it's all about a cool phone i guess |
| 21:15.48 | luke-jr | compengi: for comparison, KDE on N900 uses less memory than Maemo ;) |
| 21:15.56 | compengi | cool |
| 21:16.21 | alterego | mikki-kun: don't run back on your argument, you were just saying people prefered closed. |
| 21:16.26 | alterego | Make you mind up ffs |
| 21:16.55 | compengi | luke-jr, i'm very disappointed that maemo development stopped |
| 21:17.30 | compengi | does it lack features that they didn't develop? |
| 21:17.52 | ShadowJK | sure, it lacks alot of crap people want |
| 21:17.56 | MrBawb | there are always more features that people want, the question is more: are there features you need or can get elsewhere |
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| 21:18.09 | luke-jr | compengi: I think MMS is a big one |
| 21:18.22 | compengi | i don't mean that, i've read earlier about drivers |
| 21:18.28 | johnsq | Hi |
| 21:18.31 | compengi | aren't they all developed? |
| 21:18.43 | ShadowJK | like 3g video calls (which do not exist outside europe), 3g media sharing, ptt and all sorts of gsm/3g protocols :P |
| 21:18.45 | luke-jr | compengi: there is no "developed" |
| 21:18.53 | luke-jr | compengi: software always requires maintenance. |
| 21:19.04 | luke-jr | for example, like cars. |
| 21:19.09 | ShadowJK | you could always improve things... |
| 21:19.32 | ShadowJK | has been planning to add that automatic frequency hop feature to fmtx driver |
| 21:19.42 | ShadowJK | sometimes 2022 when i find free time |
| 21:19.45 | luke-jr | compengi: the big one is the 3D acceleration driver |
| 21:19.58 | luke-jr | compengi: nobody who can maintain it, cares to |
| 21:20.14 | compengi | luke-jr, wow |
| 21:20.17 | compengi | and very sad |
| 21:20.17 | compengi | why |
| 21:20.38 | nox- | fmtx auto freq hop? how is the receiver supposed to know the new freq? |
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| 21:20.55 | ShadowJK | nox-, rds |
| 21:20.59 | nox- | aah |
| 21:21.09 | nox- | nice idea |
| 21:21.23 | luke-jr | compengi: because the only ones who can maintain it are ImgTec and Nokia, and neither see a way to make money doing it |
| 21:21.36 | luke-jr | nor do they see a reason to let someone else |
| 21:22.20 | ShadowJK | and their current version doesn't work with maemo's kernel or xorg.. |
| 21:22.49 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: what current version? O.o |
| 21:22.58 | ShadowJK | (and performance is probably still sucky in their current version) |
| 21:23.01 | luke-jr | wasn't aware ImgTec maintained any platform-neutral binaries |
| 21:23.02 | ShadowJK | the one in meego |
| 21:23.32 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 21:23.45 | luke-jr | I suppose MeeGo's drivers might be platform-netural to a degree |
| 21:23.56 | luke-jr | so long as ImgTec doesn't abandon the older gfx chipset |
| 21:24.04 | ShadowJK | well |
| 21:24.30 | ShadowJK | there's a "board config" file apparently. probably a compile time option for the closed source driver |
| 21:24.33 | ShadowJK | iiuc |
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| 21:29.34 | alterego | luke-jr: what does imgtec have to do with ia32 architecture? |
| 21:29.44 | alterego | Or nVidia mobile chipsets? |
| 21:29.56 | luke-jr | alterego: you tell me |
| 21:30.00 | alterego | Where's your "driver independence" there? |
| 21:30.13 | luke-jr | I was talking about N900 |
| 21:30.21 | alterego | Oh, really. |
| 21:30.24 | alterego | Okay |
| 21:31.02 | alterego | Nokia have sgx sources doesn't directly have anything to do with imgtec tbh |
| 21:31.14 | alterego | More to do with TI afaik |
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| 21:32.10 | Robot101 | alterego: the z-series atoms have an Intel GMA500 graphics core, which is actually an ImgTec PowerVR as well... |
| 21:32.26 | Robot101 | alterego: so, er, the same drivers could probably be made to work, and probably be better than Intel's :P |
| 21:32.33 | compengi | luke-jr, does it mean that they manufactured such a phone with all those features just for fun? |
| 21:32.57 | luke-jr | compengi: just to sell i t. |
| 21:33.03 | luke-jr | compengi: wait, what phone? |
| 21:33.08 | alterego | Robot101: if you say so, but those aren't exactly in the meego spec |
| 21:33.15 | alterego | MeeGo says GLES2 |
| 21:33.35 | Robot101 | yes, it's a vendor decision how to achieve that |
| 21:33.37 | alterego | who cares about device drivers along as they have that interface? |
| 21:33.45 | alterego | Exactly |
| 21:34.01 | luke-jr | alterego: anyone with a clue? :P |
| 21:34.19 | alterego | luke-jr: m'hmm ... |
| 21:34.20 | Robot101 | so MeeGo won't have drivers, Linux might (hahaha that'll be the day), people like Nokia or Intel or TI or whoever will have to provide them and bodge them in |
| 21:34.23 | Robot101 | yay |
| 21:34.37 | alterego | Robot101: where's the bodge? |
| 21:35.01 | compengi | luke-jr, n900 of course |
| 21:35.07 | alterego | You make a device, you build drivers for the device. I think you're not clear about what MeeGo is .. |
| 21:35.09 | luke-jr | compengi: N900 isn't a phone. |
| 21:35.29 | compengi | luke-jr, smartphone? |
| 21:35.39 | Corsac | mobile computer |
| 21:35.40 | luke-jr | compengi: â¦no |
| 21:35.44 | luke-jr | Corsac++ |
| 21:35.55 | compengi | luke-jr, even better |
| 21:36.17 | luke-jr | compengi: yeah, except N900's keyboard sucks to type on |
| 21:36.55 | compengi | so why to manufacture such thing with so much hardware in it, for later to drop it's support and never even write the rest of the drivers |
| 21:37.58 | GAN900 | luke-jr, not so bad. |
| 21:38.13 | chx | compengi: you are trying to apply common sense to Nokia |
| 21:38.13 | chx | compengi: now come on |
| 21:38.16 | luke-jr | GAN900: worse than N810, which is worse than C760 |
| 21:38.21 | alterego | compengi: what drivers are missing? |
| 21:38.26 | luke-jr | compengi: because it makes a profit |
| 21:38.34 | GAN900 | luke-jr, really? I can't stand the N810 keyboard. |
| 21:38.41 | alterego | sighs |
| 21:38.48 | luke-jr | GAN900: after using N900, N810 seems like a dream |
| 21:38.48 | GAN900 | I'm not in love with the N900 board, but it's pretty workable. |
| 21:38.53 | GAN900 | Interesting |
| 21:39.10 | luke-jr | I hated N810's kb as long as it was my primary handheld |
| 21:39.14 | javispedro | likes the N810 kb better too. |
| 21:39.26 | luke-jr | but now I've seen it can be much worse XD |
| 21:39.39 | alterego | Weirdly, I find the N900 easier than the N900, but it seems to be 50/50 in peoples opinions |
| 21:39.41 | javispedro | but I'm biased as the n810's is my regional layout while n900 is us. |
| 21:39.50 | javispedro | *US. |
| 21:39.58 | alterego | javispedro: well that's just silly :P |
| 21:40.17 | alterego | You're basing the keypad on the layout? |
| 21:40.32 | javispedro | obviously not :P |
| 21:42.05 | ShadowJK | Best keyboard was E70 :D |
| 21:43.42 | chx | compengi: think of this, Nokia had it all. They produced to first smartphone which was not even called one. Their phones were coveted after. The Nokia 6210i is the best monochrome phone ever made. And so on. In the last 5-6 years they worked insanely hard to lose everything. |
| 21:44.25 | ShadowJK | And they had a brilliant marketing strategy to make people want their SUV-sized smartphone :) |
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| 21:44.53 | chx | hey it was less than half a kilo! |
| 21:45.16 | pupnik_ | probable stolen N900 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330524354454&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:DE:1123 |
| 21:45.23 | pupnik_ | anyone in germany missing one? |
| 21:45.29 | ShadowJK | (they gave them for free to people that sold actual SUVs and sports cars, so then people who saw the salespeople using those phones everyone wanted them as a penis extended, ignoring the silly size.. much like real SUVs) ;P |
| 21:46.31 | chx | pupnik_: my german skills are rusty but doesnt it say original packaging just the charger is not original |
| 21:46.51 | ShadowJK | The fans of that line of phones are still waiting for nokia to make the next communicator class device :P |
| 21:46.53 | chx | ShadowJK: i never knew that |
| 21:47.08 | ShadowJK | The first ones in that line has x86 CPUs too :P |
| 21:47.17 | chx | ShadowJK: 386 |
| 21:47.20 | ShadowJK | before they switched to symbian and arm |
| 21:47.28 | chx | ShadowJK: and isnt the E7 the next? |
| 21:47.35 | pupnik_ | it's a bit complicated - if anyone in the area has lost a n900 pm me |
| 21:47.35 | compengi | pupnik_, why would make you think it's stolen |
| 21:48.13 | compengi | s/why/what |
| 21:48.49 | pupnik_ | are you the seller compengi ? |
| 21:49.11 | ShadowJK | What happened to C6-01 anyway |
| 21:49.12 | compengi | pupnik_, hehe, nope, just wondering |
| 21:49.17 | ShadowJK | hasn't seen it anywhere for sale |
| 21:52.16 | pupnik_ | compengi: at least google will match 'stolen n900' to that listing now, so my work is done |
| 21:52.48 | compengi | good point :D |
| 21:57.13 | pupnik_ | kind of interesting : |
| 21:57.14 | pupnik_ | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Open-Pandora-Handheld-Linux-UMPC-PDA-BRAND-NEW-/220729188007?pt=Video_Games&hash=item33647c1ea7 |
| 21:59.22 | javispedro | lol |
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| 21:59.35 | javispedro | more expensive than retail.. |
| 21:59.41 | pupnik_ | quite |
| 21:59.51 | javispedro | bets those are some bots at work |
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| 22:00.07 | pupnik_ | no actually several have gone for over 500 |
| 22:02.33 | alterego | pupnik_: you think it's stolen because it's reserved at 1 EUR |
| 22:04.58 | pupnik_ | no |
| 22:05.36 | trumee | eduroam sucks on linux |
| 22:05.41 | alterego | Oh, because I thought that was suspicious by itself :D |
| 22:05.50 | trumee | i have to go Laptop> N900> eduroam |
| 22:06.07 | trumee | Thankfully N900 has usb networking |
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| 22:41.55 | pupnik | i hope the next device comes soon. with a 4-row keyboard and arrow keys for all layouts. |
| 22:42.46 | haltdef | is eying up a viliv n5 :x |
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| 22:46.35 | pupnik | German Ebay seller trying to get $804 for a N900 http://cgi.ebay.de/Nokia-N900-Qwerty-Tastatur-engl-black-/280576271303?pt=DE_Handys_ohne_Vertrag_KM&hash=item4153a623c7 |
| 22:47.29 | pupnik | some people are really optimistic |
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| 22:58.09 | ieatlint | well, he has his full name, address, phone number and email address there. you could call and ask him about the price :P |
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| 23:10.11 | pupnik | hey if someone wants to pay that much, that's fine. The used devices are going for 200-250 right now |
| 23:10.43 | pupnik | (euro) |
| 23:10.49 | GAN900 | UPS One Day Air |
| 23:10.55 | GAN900 | Going on day 3 now. |
| 23:11.15 | GAN900 | Probably going to attempt delivery 5 minutes before I get home. |
| 23:15.00 | pupnik | ? |
| 23:16.48 | javispedro | haha |
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| 23:18.52 | GAN900 | pupnik, waiting for my new lens. :( |
| 23:19.56 | ieatlint | that sounds like UPS |
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| 23:22.53 | GAN900 | Gotta love unionized low competition industries. |
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| 23:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: that's original Nokia shop price - 590EUR |
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| 23:44.14 | javispedro | eth0 is dead |
| 23:44.21 | javispedro | http://www.osnews.com/story/24336/New_Linux_Network_Device_Naming_To_Be_Tested_by_Fedora |
| 23:44.30 | javispedro | =) (heehee) |
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| 23:46.08 | BCMM | does the n900 has a physical shutter? |
| 23:47.22 | BCMM | sorry, i mean does it have a physical camera shutter, or does it use a rolling-shutter system? |
| 23:49.06 | trumee | anybody has experience in building the compat-wireless drivers from lxp? |
| 23:50.31 | trumee | i am getting a bunch of "-1 Unknown symbol in module" when insmoding the drivers |
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| 23:50.53 | trumee | when i try to insmod my own compiled drivers |
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| 23:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: electronic solid state silicon shutter |
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| 23:54.51 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ah. does it "roll"? |
| 23:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what you mean |
| 23:56.10 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: does it cut off the entire field at once, or does it progress down the image, creating distortions of moving objects like an iPhone? |
| 23:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | the sensor chip is resetting and after shutter time reading out the sensor cells |
| 23:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know how it works exactly |
| 23:57.10 | BCMM | (example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sorenragsdale/3192314056/ ) |
| 23:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | check the wiki, there's a link to the camera sensor chip |
| 23:57.38 | luke-jr | BCMM: solid state means there are no movign parts |
| 23:57.47 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: don't worry, i'll just open up my computer and try to photograph the fan :) |
| 23:58.47 | BCMM | luke-jr: i phrased the question very badly. i was actually asking whether it suffered rolling-shutter distortions |
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