| 00:01.30 | b0unc3 | MohammadAG: yes, maybe iptable ? |
| 00:01.53 | MohammadAG | b0unc3, never used it so :P |
| 00:02.56 | merlin1991 | yes you could share them over iptable |
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| 00:05.06 | biston | good evening. does anyone know what can cause the error "Stale NFS file handle" ? |
| 00:05.32 | joga | you have nfs mounts? |
| 00:05.39 | joga | (or had) |
| 00:05.40 | alterego | MohammadAG: got any thing to report as far as using Columbus? |
| 00:06.00 | alterego | I'm planning on release 0.9.4 within the next day or two. |
| 00:06.01 | biston | nothing other than default n900 partitions |
| 00:06.06 | biston | not even a mmc |
| 00:06.08 | MohammadAG | alterego, it just works, nicely |
| 00:06.23 | MohammadAG | though I would've appreciated a hint that the bottom label is clickable |
| 00:06.25 | joga | biston, hmm? I don't know of it using nfs by default... |
| 00:06.51 | alterego | MohammadAG: the speed indicator on the track view? |
| 00:07.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, works fine, though I'm not sure if speed was the same |
| 00:07.26 | MohammadAG | but we were doing around 90kmph |
| 00:07.43 | alterego | Did you set it to metric? |
| 00:07.45 | alterego | :) |
| 00:08.08 | MohammadAG | yes :P |
| 00:08.25 | MohammadAG | but i didn't check the car's dashboard |
| 00:08.30 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:08.31 | jacekowski | biston: it happens when fs on emmc is fubar |
| 00:08.37 | jacekowski | alterego: that's a good thing |
| 00:08.46 | jacekowski | alterego: you have that view where it shows you where you were |
| 00:08.54 | jacekowski | alterego: what about colouring that line based on speed |
| 00:08.54 | alterego | jacekowski: yes |
| 00:09.05 | biston | jacekowski would e2fsck fix such a problem ? |
| 00:09.09 | alterego | jacekowski: the thought has crossed my mind. |
| 00:09.12 | jacekowski | biston: no |
| 00:09.18 | jacekowski | biston: it's time to flash |
| 00:09.19 | MohammadAG | it's quite similar to Nokia's sport tracker for symbian |
| 00:09.20 | biston | great, then i have to flash, |
| 00:09.28 | MohammadAG | but a lot better |
| 00:09.58 | alterego | MohammadAG: lcuk was talking about nokia push snowboarding earlier :) |
| 00:10.12 | biston | jacekowski you said emmc ? this can't be coming from rootfs ? |
| 00:10.43 | jacekowski | biston: well, there is an option that it's coming from rootfs |
| 00:10.54 | biston | any ways to check? |
| 00:10.57 | jacekowski | biston: but emmc is more likely |
| 00:11.04 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, consider that roll over speed/average/max thing an easter egg in that version. All those indicators do that in the new version :) |
| 00:11.14 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: you had that stale nfs handle problem |
| 00:11.24 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 00:11.34 | MohammadAG | backup what you can |
| 00:11.40 | MohammadAG | and reflash the eMMC |
| 00:11.48 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'll have to write a little user guide (which is the point of the "Help" button in the about dialog). |
| 00:11.48 | MohammadAG | fsck will break things |
| 00:12.27 | biston | i guess i'll just reflash everything, along with maemo |
| 00:12.36 | biston | just to be safe |
| 00:13.10 | MohammadAG | well |
| 00:13.15 | MohammadAG | when you reflash the eMMc |
| 00:13.22 | MohammadAG | you have to reflash the rootfs too :P |
| 00:13.30 | biston | no you don't |
| 00:13.54 | MohammadAG | yes you do |
| 00:14.05 | MohammadAG | otherwise you lose locales, themes, icons |
| 00:14.09 | MohammadAG | etc |
| 00:14.12 | alterego | The next version will make it a lot more usable, as you can now save and load tracklogs and view statistics. |
| 00:14.24 | biston | hmm |
| 00:15.26 | alterego | Much better for training :) |
| 00:15.50 | MohammadAG | i like how the compass rotates |
| 00:15.51 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 00:15.59 | MohammadAG | QWMatrix? |
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| 00:16.13 | alterego | Yes |
| 00:16.34 | alterego | QMatrix and a QPropertyAnimation |
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| 00:17.36 | alterego | I've also come up with how I want to make it portable and how I'm going to implement the meego and desktop versions. |
| 00:18.16 | MohammadAG | reimplement maemo5 widgets as custom classes? :P |
| 00:18.27 | alterego | But that's v2 and I've not got to v1 yet ^.^ |
| 00:18.45 | alterego | Nope, make all the dialogs and menus custom Qml |
| 00:19.25 | alterego | So it'll still have the Qt based views but with an enhanced Qml layer on top. |
| 00:19.48 | MohammadAG | QML, please :p |
| 00:19.50 | alterego | That way I can scrap all the maemo 5 or meego touch rubbish. |
| 00:20.03 | alterego | And maintain a unique UX |
| 00:20.07 | MohammadAG | it's not rubbish |
| 00:20.13 | MohammadAG | it's garbage :p |
| 00:20.24 | alterego | :) |
| 00:20.39 | alterego | So, any ideas, requests, anything? |
| 00:20.53 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 00:21.01 | MohammadAG | $50, I need to pay infobot |
| 00:21.10 | alterego | :P |
| 00:21.19 | MohammadAG | ~$50 |
| 00:21.19 | infobot | ACTION takes the cash and sucks mohammadag off |
| 00:21.29 | MohammadAG | ~$100 |
| 00:21.29 | infobot | ACTION gives mohammadag full service! |
| 00:21.42 | alterego | Hah |
| 00:22.13 | alterego | I think the only thing that really annoys me, and it's not easy to sort out, is orientation switching. |
| 00:22.38 | alterego | As my widgets became more complex the reshuffling of the UI is quite visible when changing orientation. |
| 00:22.54 | MohammadAG | yeah, that's annoying |
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| 00:23.45 | MohammadAG | what's with xchat not showing notifications for pm |
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| 00:24.13 | merlin1991 | I have no ideas why xchat doesn't show notifications on my n900 at all |
| 00:24.25 | MohammadAG | it's racist |
| 00:24.27 | merlin1991 | but claims to have loaded the maemo notifier plugin on each start |
| 00:24.47 | MohammadAG | also, your real name on IRC is y |
| 00:24.48 | trip0 | nods in confirmation |
| 00:24.52 | trip0 | never notifies me |
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| 00:24.54 | pupnik | i have a dumb networking question. why can't i block a whole subdomain in /etc/hosts |
| 00:25.01 | pupnik | for e.g. 127.0.0.1 *.adtech.de |
| 00:25.20 | ds3 | hosts file do not support filecard |
| 00:25.34 | ds3 | it only does 1:1 mapping; to do that you need to run bind or rewrite the resolver |
| 00:25.39 | alterego | wildcard :P |
| 00:25.50 | nox- | hm could dnsmasq do it? |
| 00:25.52 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG, well what's the problem with fake real names on irc? :D |
| 00:25.59 | ds3 | yes, wildcard |
| 00:26.07 | ds3 | dnsmasq might be able to do it |
| 00:26.09 | MohammadAG | your nick's merlin |
| 00:26.19 | MohammadAG | it's like me saying my real name is hidden |
| 00:26.29 | MrBawb | the -S flag to dnsmasq might do what you want |
| 00:26.48 | MrBawb | or -A |
| 00:26.59 | pupnik | ds3: thanks, will look at dnsmasq |
| 00:27.02 | pupnik | and MrBawb |
| 00:27.08 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG, I have no problem having my real name in the whois in this channel |
| 00:27.16 | merlin1991 | but a few channels I'm in it's not the best idea |
| 00:27.30 | pupnik | I'd also like a name lookup to query TWO+ dns providers and report any inconsistency... |
| 00:27.32 | MohammadAG | lemme guess |
| 00:27.39 | MohammadAG | your name is Merlin something |
| 00:27.41 | MohammadAG | right? |
| 00:27.41 | merlin1991 | my github, gitorious, maemo.org profile has the name |
| 00:27.42 | merlin1991 | nach |
| 00:27.44 | merlin1991 | nah |
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| 00:27.49 | MrBawb | [on -A] A common use of this is to redirect the entire doubleclick.net domain to some friendly local web server to avoid banner ads. |
| 00:27.57 | MohammadAG | Martin? |
| 00:28.09 | Mousey | and your're 10 years old today! congrats! |
| 00:28.15 | Mousey | no, 20 years old! |
| 00:28.20 | Mousey | can't math |
| 00:28.45 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:28.48 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 00:30.50 | ds3 | 0x20? |
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| 00:31.20 | merlin1991 | Mousey, nice first fail ;) |
| 00:31.30 | Mousey | that is so not my last! |
| 00:31.37 | biston | maemo-flasher supports win x64 ? |
| 00:31.42 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 00:32.16 | merlin1991 | or you are the luckiest person in the world to get it running under win x64 (I tried several times) |
| 00:32.28 | biston | well YES! |
| 00:32.47 | biston | i tried it on like 10 pcs, didn't work, only works on mine for some weird reasons |
| 00:32.51 | biston | reason* |
| 00:32.55 | biston | and i was wondering why |
| 00:33.29 | merlin1991 | something todo with your usb driver / hw / whatever, on my pcs it fails on finding the usb device |
| 00:36.51 | biston | /home/user/.config/Unknown\ Organization.conf , anyone else has that file? |
| 00:37.17 | biston | [General]cache="@ByteArray(\0\0-\xex\xda\x85Z\t|\x94\xd5\x11\x7f\x16\x8a)l#\xa4\x88\x62\x41S\xab\x82\a\xa2\xb4\x1e\xc5\x8an\xee\x83\x44L\"Gj\xd5o\x8f$\x9blv\xe3nB\xd... |
| 00:37.17 | biston | cache_version=1 |
| 00:37.22 | biston | O.o |
| 00:37.39 | merlin1991 | nope I don't have that one biston |
| 00:38.16 | alterego | biston: it'll be some 3rd party app that is using QSettings .. |
| 00:38.26 | pupnik | completely forgot about /etc/hosts.deny |
| 00:40.40 | biston | didn't i tell you about it 5 minutes ago? |
| 00:40.46 | alterego | contemplates the usefulness of the raised parts on the N900 keypad for the blind .. |
| 00:41.10 | alterego | And how do blind people use touch screen phones anyway? |
| 00:41.24 | biston | [02:27:15] <biston> create /etc/hosts.deny and add ALL : .any.domain |
| 00:41.29 | biston | then i got pinged out i guess |
| 00:41.38 | MohammadAG | alterego, no idea |
| 00:41.44 | MohammadAG | but it works well for me in class :P |
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| 00:42.12 | pupnik | biston: before that |
| 00:43.01 | pupnik | however it doesn't prevent outgoing access to host.domain |
| 00:43.44 | alterego | Heh |
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| 00:57.18 | ds3 | hosts.deny/allow is only for apps that use that; by default most apps don't. |
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| 01:24.52 | Sazpaimon | is there any interest in trying to see if stantum's multitouch screen is doable in the N900 (once it's out for the general public)? |
| 01:25.49 | BCMM | Sazpaimon: what is the aforementioned? |
| 01:26.05 | Sazpaimon | it's a multitouch capable resistive screen |
| 01:26.26 | Sazpaimon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsfxdxmAUoo&feature=player_embedded |
| 01:28.45 | pupnik | the prices for Ip capable security cams are pretty funny |
| 01:29.23 | BCMM | Sazpaimon: "doable" as in screen replacement? |
| 01:29.34 | Sazpaimon | yes |
| 01:29.46 | Sazpaimon | assuming it can be hardware compatible with the N900 |
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| 01:29.58 | Sazpaimon | it seems to use a special chipset though |
| 01:31.07 | BCMM | Sazpaimon: huh, how does that work? soft-touch, but works with anything... |
| 01:31.29 | BCMM | if that isn't just hype, it has to be an entirely new tech, right? |
| 01:31.36 | Sazpaimon | I have no idea, until now I just accepted that it was not technically feasable to have multitouch on a resistive screen |
| 01:31.45 | Sazpaimon | but I'm looking right at it |
| 01:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | mt on r-ts is ooooold |
| 01:32.15 | BCMM | it also claims low power consumption.... |
| 01:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | stantum however did a exceptionally good job |
| 01:32.40 | BCMM | it has a worrying lack of downsides... |
| 01:32.52 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: "multitouch on resistive touchscreen"? |
| 01:33.34 | Sazpaimon | if the screen is hardware compatible with the N900 and works with the TSC2005 chip, I'd like to try this mod out |
| 01:33.44 | Sazpaimon | i however have my doubts |
| 01:33.55 | BCMM | by hardware-compatible, you mean physically fits? |
| 01:33.58 | Sazpaimon | it might require a completely different controller |
| 01:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: have fun. I don't think this will pan out |
| 01:34.33 | cehteh | well .. and you need software which can handle it ... maemo5 certainly not |
| 01:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | or at least your N900 will look like steampunk then |
| 01:34.43 | BCMM | so it is just a resistive touchscreen of superior manufacture? |
| 01:34.56 | Sazpaimon | cehteh, writing modules would be the trivial part |
| 01:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: nope, it is actually a modified principle |
| 01:35.12 | cehteh | and? .. what then? |
| 01:35.33 | BCMM | does that thing have any downsides? |
| 01:35.33 | cehteh | fix hildon up, microb, all other apps? |
| 01:35.41 | BCMM | it even claimed to be cheap and low-power... |
| 01:35.52 | cehteh | BCMM: costs 3 cents more :) |
| 01:36.00 | BCMM | hmm |
| 01:36.06 | cehteh | jk |
| 01:36.07 | BCMM | does it not work with sunglasses maybe? |
| 01:36.14 | BCMM | (that's a good subtle failure) |
| 01:36.27 | Sazpaimon | cehteh, then i believe it's a matter of porting xi2 gnome to maemo |
| 01:36.40 | cehteh | have fun :) |
| 01:36.47 | Sazpaimon | (xi2 iirc is the multitouch capable branch of gtk+) |
| 01:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: downside: connection from panel to driver chip is a wide bus |
| 01:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | you need special driver chip |
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| 01:38.36 | Sazpaimon | I'll have to look to see when a distributor starts selling these nerby |
| 01:39.46 | Sazpaimon | and if they wont physically work on an N900 i certainly have other applications for them |
| 01:39.46 | jonwil | Can someone suggest somewhere suitable for me to dump this code for the icd policy modules (somewhere I can then reference from a wiki article about said policy modules) |
| 01:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc (start) for the huge copper flat cable on left long side of screen, and the green PCB holding parts of the driver hw |
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| 02:29.50 | CableTwitch | Yo |
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| 02:31.23 | CableTwitch | Wow, thats a mess of a topic, no? |
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| 02:50.04 | MrBawb | jonwil: put it on a hosting site with a RCS? like google code, gitweb, etc |
| 02:50.31 | jonwil | google code seems to make sense |
| 02:50.37 | luke-jr | Gitorious* |
| 02:50.39 | jonwil | thats a popular site for such hosting |
| 02:51.16 | MrBawb | oh, I was thinking github |
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| 02:59.25 | RobbieThe1st | Yes! I just managed to run a jumper wire from C4257 to the + terminal of G4210, and it -worked-! |
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| 02:59.38 | RobbieThe1st | My RTC now works with the battery out again! |
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| 03:07.06 | CableTwitch | Robbie: Been hardware hacking, eh? |
| 03:07.19 | luke-jr | MrBawb: GitHub sucks |
| 03:07.19 | RobbieThe1st | Yup |
| 03:08.21 | RobbieThe1st | My RTC battery basically died, so I replaced it with a special capacitor. I managed to break one of the pads, and had to run a jumper to a different location on the other side of the board |
| 03:09.34 | CableTwitch | Make sure you note that info down, yeah? XD |
| 03:10.14 | lcukn900 | robbie how is the capacitor holding up? |
| 03:11.08 | RobbieThe1st | I'm gonna have to test; I know it works for the 10s I tested it for. |
| 03:12.04 | RobbieThe1st | Lets try for one minute... Now that it's had a chance to charge and all(remember the charger is looking for a lithium-battery, so I don't know how fast it'll charge) |
| 03:13.21 | RobbieThe1st | It worked. |
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| 03:19.33 | pupnik | WOMEN |
| 03:19.34 | pupnik | SPEND MONEY |
| 03:19.36 | pupnik | ON MAKEUP |
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| 03:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: congrats |
| 03:25.00 | RobbieThe1st | Oh gees; whats the name of the package that has mkfs.ubifs and ubinize in it? |
| 03:25.04 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. |
| 03:28.56 | pupnik | well i knew some people in the netherlands info sec dept |
| 03:29.09 | pupnik | they had a product for securing their networks |
| 03:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | (ubifs) NFC. Seems it's unknown to maemo and even my desktop linux |
| 03:32.25 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: Um...? What I know is that I have mkfs.ubifs and ubinize installed on my n900 through -some- package, but I can't figure out which one it was. |
| 03:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 03:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | strange, apt-cache search didn't find anything |
| 03:33.43 | CableTwitch | Hey Doc. |
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| 03:35.11 | CableTwitch | Has anyone worked out a way to update java on the 900 yet? |
| 03:35.38 | RobbieThe1st | CableTwitch: Update flash, you mean? |
| 03:36.08 | CableTwitch | Unless Java somehow magically became an Adobe product, nope XD |
| 03:36.20 | luke-jr | CableTwitch: N900 has never had any kind of Java |
| 03:36.31 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
| 03:36.42 | CableTwitch | Ok, that explains that. |
| 03:37.03 | RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: I know it depends on liblzo; can I get a list of all packages that depend on that? |
| 03:37.33 | CableTwitch | That also explains why my NAS box kept on at me to update java, and doesnt work properly. |
| 03:39.04 | RobbieThe1st | Note that you can get command-line desktop java on there(install icedtea6), but no browser plugin. |
| 03:39.59 | RobbieThe1st | Oh, there we go. It's mtd-utils. |
| 03:40.34 | RobbieThe1st | "apt-get remove liblzo2-2"; only package that'd get removed other than itself is mtd-utils. :P |
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| 03:55.31 | pupnik | lol the cunts |
| 03:56.57 | CableTwitch | Eh? |
| 03:58.20 | pupnik | cunts |
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| 04:01.34 | yigal | can we say non sequitur |
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| 04:21.49 | Guest61840 | Hello. I've not been in chat rooms much, so I'm not sure how to do things or act. Hope I don't torture anybody. Please be gentle with me. I just bought a used nokia n800 tablet. I don't know a lot about it. I am hoping to be able to download movies and tv shows to my pc and then transfer them to my tablet. Can anyone tell me the best and easiet ways to do that? |
| 04:22.31 | SpeedEvil | yes, you can. |
| 04:22.41 | SpeedEvil | in principle, though I've not used a n800 |
| 04:22.47 | SpeedEvil | - have you loolked at the wiki a bit? |
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| 04:23.26 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N800 |
| 04:24.13 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N8x0 seems to be the main article |
| 04:24.41 | Guest61840 | SpeedEvil do u mean the maemo with downloads site. I've visited there briefly. Oh I don't think I've been there. I'll check it out. |
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| 04:26.05 | Guest61840 | How does this chat work? Are all those nicks listed on the right here now? Will I be able to see what everyone is talking about? That's a long list. |
| 04:26.10 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nokia_N800_Tablet_PDA also |
| 04:26.23 | SpeedEvil | There is nobody else talking tight now. |
| 04:26.46 | SpeedEvil | it's a rather dead time at the moment - it tends to be more active evenings us and EU |
| 04:27.16 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 04:27.38 | Guest61840 | So what's with all the names on the right. How do I know who's here? |
| 04:27.56 | RobbieThe1st | All those people have their computers on and their clients running. |
| 04:28.09 | RobbieThe1st | But the people themselves may not be at their computer, or looking elsewhere |
| 04:28.24 | Guest61840 | Sorry for my ignorance. What are clients? |
| 04:29.07 | wmarone | IRC clients, software similar to what you're using now |
| 04:29.08 | RobbieThe1st | A program that connects you to the IRC(chat) server. |
| 04:29.11 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 04:29.40 | Guest61840 | So how do we know who is here, just ask? |
| 04:29.44 | wmarone | yes |
| 04:30.03 | wmarone | or just as a question |
| 04:30.07 | wmarone | ask* |
| 04:30.44 | RobbieThe1st | In addition, if you know who to talk to, some people may be around but not looking at the chat all the time - Saying someones name -may- get their attention |
| 04:31.00 | RobbieThe1st | For me, whenever someone says my name, I hear a "beep" noise. |
| 04:31.05 | SpeedEvil | People wait till they find a question they can answer, or something that annoys them, or until they have a funny picture of a cat, and post it. Though they'll usually just have the tab open so they can look back at what's happeed while they weren't looking - get messages, ... |
| 04:32.41 | Guest61840 | ok. I'm gonna leave this up but go check out those web sites you gave me. I hope someone is still here if I come back. Thank you SpeedEvil. |
| 04:34.14 | CableTwitch | RobbieThe1st |
| 04:34.41 | CableTwitch | No reason, just wanted to make it beep :O) |
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| 04:34.57 | RobbieThe1st | ? |
| 04:35.01 | RobbieThe1st | meh. |
| 04:35.04 | CableTwitch | Beep. |
| 04:35.20 | CableTwitch | is in a slightly deranged mood. |
| 04:36.10 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, I can see that. |
| 04:36.13 | SpeedEvil | Guest61840: Good luck. |
| 04:36.26 | SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st beep. |
| 04:37.23 | Guest61840 | ooooooh, My computer just beeped and then I clicked here and somebody said something to me. So ooooh I get a beep too. |
| 04:37.26 | CableTwitch | Seems I'm not the only deranged one this morning XD |
| 04:38.17 | SpeedEvil | Guest61840: Generally picking a more personal nickname will help people remember you if you come back. |
| 04:39.40 | Guest61840 | I was just at http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia_N800. the search didn't like what I put in. The answers I got for video were too many and confusing. OK let me think of a nick. How do I get it assigned to me? |
| 04:40.53 | CableTwitch | Type /nick *whatyouwant* |
| 04:40.54 | CableTwitch | Eg. /nick Cabletwitch |
| 04:40.54 | CableTwitch | But not MY nick, obviously :O) |
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| 04:42.03 | CableTwitch | Anyone know how you could enable autocaps inxchat? |
| 04:42.23 | Guest61840 | *whatyouwant* |
| 04:42.37 | CableTwitch | Not quite. |
| 04:42.38 | Guest61840 | wait |
| 04:42.45 | CableTwitch | Look at my example. |
| 04:43.06 | Guest61840 | nick *gretchen* |
| 04:43.31 | CableTwitch | You dont need the asterisks, and you DO need the preceeding / |
| 04:43.55 | CableTwitch | So, if I wanted to change my nick to Jimbob, I'd type /nick Jimbob |
| 04:44.29 | CableTwitch | If you want to use Gretchen, then you'd type /nick Gretchen |
| 04:44.37 | Guest61840 | thanks |
| 04:44.58 | CableTwitch | There you go :O) |
| 04:45.21 | gretchen | ha!... I'm slow |
| 04:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | hi gretchen |
| 04:45.36 | CableTwitch | Eh, we all are at the beginning. |
| 04:45.43 | gretchen | Hi everyone. |
| 04:46.22 | CableTwitch | And hi to you, too |
| 04:46.49 | gretchen | So does anybody feel like giving me some search word suggestions so I can transfer videos from my pc to my new and exiting n800 tabet? |
| 04:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | gretchen: a short introduction to asking questions: |
| 04:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
| 04:46.57 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 04:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | and |
| 04:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~question |
| 04:47.10 | infobot | hmm... question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 04:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | gretchen: also lok at the /topic |
| 04:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | lool* |
| 04:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | meh! |
| 04:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | look* |
| 04:47.40 | CableTwitch | Been on the booze, doc? ;O) |
| 04:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 04:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | too late, or early |
| 04:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever |
| 04:48.25 | SpeedEvil | gretchen: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nokia_N800_Tablet_PDA - has some more details - I've not looked beyond a cursory search. Try n800 transcode video |
| 04:48.38 | CableTwitch | Drunk is easier to explain though. |
| 04:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | gretchen: some mire IRC specific stuff that may help you: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 04:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | more* |
| 04:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | damnit |
| 04:49.25 | CableTwitch | Yeah, drunk XD |
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| 04:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | nope, sick |
| 04:49.53 | CableTwitch | Speevil. |
| 04:50.14 | CableTwitch | Ahh, flu? |
| 04:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 04:50.35 | CableTwitch | Swine, avian, or normal? |
| 04:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | just a cold |
| 04:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | I hope |
| 04:50.51 | CableTwitch | Manflu, gotcha. |
| 04:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | gretchen: you probably want to register your nick |
| 04:53.14 | CableTwitch | Just while I'm not on a decent enough connection, did the USB hostmode ever become reliable? |
| 04:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | /msg nickserv help register |
| 04:54.11 | CableTwitch | Just don't forget your password like I did. |
| 04:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 04:54.21 | CableTwitch | <-- Retars |
| 04:54.25 | CableTwitch | <-- Retard |
| 04:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | drunk? |
| 04:54.36 | CableTwitch | Shaddap XD |
| 04:55.22 | CableTwitch | I'd prefer to be drunk. But alas, gone are the days when you could drive trains after a few beers. |
| 04:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, nowadays trains will drive you |
| 04:56.08 | gretchen | How do I do that DocScrutinizer? Oh ok. I just type that /msg nickserv help register. Is a password then assigned to me? I have just started reading the page about questions. |
| 04:56.14 | pupnik | drunk is self-destruction |
| 04:56.33 | pupnik | you only notice it after the damage is done |
| 04:57.25 | CableTwitch | Drunk is a railway speciality. Its what happens when you have to wait ages to have a drink. |
| 04:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | gretchen: no, you need to follow the instructions that nickserv gave you when typing /msg nickserv help register |
| 04:57.53 | CableTwitch | I blame the D'n'A testing. Prior to that, no-one got drunk on duty. |
| 04:58.04 | pupnik | people drink when they feel helpless |
| 04:58.10 | pupnik | government enslaves people |
| 04:58.16 | pupnik | so fight slavery |
| 04:58.25 | pupnik | with your fists, or your code |
| 04:58.47 | gretchen | It says to follow instructions sent to my email address, but I didn't give it my address. |
| 04:58.49 | CableTwitch | Whatnow? |
| 04:59.08 | DocScrutinizer | do it again, using your proper email-addr |
| 04:59.10 | CableTwitch | Gretchen: Yeah, you're supposed to give it your address. |
| 04:59.10 | pupnik | bombs are really bad style nowadays |
| 04:59.17 | pupnik | but holy hell they are fun |
| 04:59.46 | gretchen | I don't get it. What do I type and when? |
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| 05:00.11 | pupnik | everyone here should have bomb-making experience |
| 05:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | gretchen: right now type sth like /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com |
| 05:00.12 | CableTwitch | I'll go PM with Gretch, Doc. |
| 05:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 05:00.24 | pupnik | everyone in #maemo should be able to make a bomb |
| 05:00.31 | pupnik | if they want to |
| 05:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke pupnik |
| 05:00.43 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at pupnik ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 05:01.13 | pupnik | best used on structures |
| 05:01.18 | CableTwitch | Gretchen, you should have another tab appear with my nick on it. You see it? |
| 05:02.19 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: i had a math teacher who used to go to junkyards with dynamite |
| 05:02.22 | ds3 | speaking of which, is there a decent clone of Scorch earth for the N900? :D |
| 05:02.28 | pupnik | everybody should learn how to blow up shit |
| 05:03.37 | pupnik | it's just chemistry |
| 05:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, all the idiots who learn how to blow up themselves by producing apex for fun |
| 05:08.01 | CableTwitch | I'd rather make useful stuff, tbh. |
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| 05:08.24 | CableTwitch | Explosives are for those with no imagination, and/or a deathwish. |
| 05:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, whatever it's been, I stopped that at the age of 16 |
| 05:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | and I never touched crazy shit like apex |
| 05:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | except for silvester fireworks :-) |
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| 05:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | with 16 I switched to forkbombs ;-D |
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| 05:17.00 | pupnik | explosives are tools like cars CableTwitch |
| 05:17.18 | pupnik | you can also drive a car at high speed into people |
| 05:17.35 | CableTwitch | Why would you want to? |
| 05:17.37 | pupnik | poison is much better |
| 05:17.54 | pupnik | drop a few milligrams into someone's food |
| 05:17.58 | pupnik | and person is gone |
| 05:18.17 | CableTwitch | I wasn't aware you could IRC from Broadmoore. |
| 05:18.45 | pupnik | i'm just talking about the LOL in the daily life CableTwitch |
| 05:18.55 | pupnik | do you think this doesn't happen? :) |
| 05:19.08 | CableTwitch | Not in Guildford, it doesnt. |
| 05:19.26 | pupnik | where the heck is that |
| 05:19.54 | pupnik | look you idiots |
| 05:20.14 | pupnik | don't you think maemo is an affront to people who want to monitor and control people? |
| 05:20.19 | pupnik | it is a revolution |
| 05:20.23 | pupnik | it is a fight |
| 05:20.29 | pupnik | you dumb asses |
| 05:20.45 | pupnik | it is the ability to control your computer |
| 05:21.07 | pupnik | how fucktarded are you??? |
| 05:21.21 | CableTwitch | Ok, I was wrong. Its not Doc thats drunk, its you. |
| 05:21.36 | pupnik | durr |
| 05:21.38 | derf | pupnik, sadly, i like this all the time. |
| 05:21.40 | derf | *is |
| 05:21.56 | pupnik | derf, i know, a lot of us need to work for the military |
| 05:22.19 | pupnik | but do what you can to promote freedom |
| 05:22.34 | CableTwitch | Oh right... wait, isnt the military government forces? How ironic... |
| 05:22.51 | pupnik | CableTwitch: you are 23 years old or less |
| 05:23.00 | pupnik | shut the fuck up and listen |
| 05:23.14 | wmarone | .... |
| 05:23.23 | CableTwitch | I'm 30 next month. Your call. |
| 05:23.24 | wmarone | pupnik are you drunk? |
| 05:23.37 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 05:23.40 | pupnik | CableTwitch: then you're stupid |
| 05:23.48 | CableTwitch | No, far from it. |
| 05:23.51 | *** mode/#maemo [+q pupnik!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 05:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no insult please |
| 05:24.01 | CableTwitch | I'm just not wholly irrational and paranoid. |
| 05:24.04 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 05:26.34 | CableTwitch | derf: How do you guys put up with that? :O) |
| 05:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: pupnik decided to take a forced 6h outtime |
| 05:27.50 | CableTwitch | Autocomplete problem? |
| 05:27.57 | CableTwitch | I'm Cabletwitch ;O) |
| 05:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | and crashanddie is chanop like me, but more likely to be awake in now+6h |
| 05:28.50 | CableTwitch | Ahh, righto. I dont have the userlist displayed when I'm on the 900 |
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| 05:30.54 | KabelTwitch | There we go, wifi now. |
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| 05:33.59 | KabelTwitch | Aaand showertime! |
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| 05:47.09 | CableTwitch | Aaand back |
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| 05:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | meh, friggin DSL-DHCP |
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| 06:19.55 | gretchen | Is CableTwitch here? |
| 06:22.09 | SpeedEvil | I just realised my n900 has close to a dozen microprocessors in it. |
| 06:23.09 | SpeedEvil | Main ARM, DSP, bluetooth, wifi, SIM, SD card, emmc, wifi, bluetooth, LED controller, modem front and back end. |
| 06:23.29 | SpeedEvil | That's not even counting the GPU |
| 06:23.52 | SpeedEvil | Or some of the graphics processors that I suspect could be counted but I haven't read enough on them. |
| 06:24.26 | CableTwitch | I'm here, just about. |
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| 06:29.44 | chx | gretchen: ^ |
| 06:30.36 | gretchen | Hi SpeedEvil. Hi CableTwitch. I'm way out of league here. I found some information on n800 after doing a google search. Some is outdated like Internet Tablet School. I'm 53 years old. I've got fibromyalgia and therefore have fibrofog so I'm slow. I have no knowledge of programming, and haven't used comnputers much. Any recomendations for online beginning info? |
| 06:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: gmeter, ALS |
| 06:30.59 | SpeedEvil | gmeter is probably not stored program. |
| 06:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | it's a stored program, just you can't update it via I2C |
| 06:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | it seems you can destroy it though |
| 06:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 06:31.54 | SpeedEvil | gretchen: What OS do you normally run on the desktop? |
| 06:32.01 | CableTwitch | Hmm, for the N800? I'm not too sure myself, I use the N900. Ask around a bit more in here in a few hours time or so, I'm pretty sure there will be more knowledgable people then myself who can answer any queries you have. |
| 06:32.29 | CableTwitch | SpeedEvil will know more than me, I'm fairly sure ;O) |
| 06:32.45 | SpeedEvil | I know almosrt nothing on the n800 |
| 06:32.51 | gretchen | SpeedEvil, do you mean on my pc or n800? |
| 06:32.58 | SpeedEvil | I saw an n700 once, that doesn't really cout though |
| 06:33.01 | SpeedEvil | gretchen: pc |
| 06:33.09 | CableTwitch | Speed: Almost nothing is still more than absolutly nothing ;O) |
| 06:33.12 | gretchen | windows xp |
| 06:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: use tab expansion! |
| 06:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | err, nick completion |
| 06:34.36 | CableTwitch | Forwhy? People here not like shortened nicks? |
| 06:34.54 | chx | CableTwitch: no, but their client won't highlight |
| 06:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil for example is more likely to have a highlight on foobarevil rather than speed |
| 06:35.01 | chx | CableTwitch: more convinient to have the full nick |
| 06:35.10 | CableTwitch | Bah, you're all awkward XD |
| 06:35.24 | chx | CableTwitch: bingo! |
| 06:35.26 | CableTwitch | Maybe its only me that has highlight on all variations I can think of. |
| 06:35.32 | chx | CableTwitch: we love the N900 what else can we be? |
| 06:35.45 | CableTwitch | chx: Touché |
| 06:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't you think it's funny to talk about usb cable when he's around? |
| 06:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | cble for usb is awesome :-P |
| 06:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | cable for usb is awesome :-P |
| 06:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 06:37.37 | gretchen | When and where are you guys? What time is it there? It's 10:33pm here. I'm on the pacific west coast of the U.S. I'm gonna go lie down soon. Where's a good place to ask newbie questions? What's a good time to check back? |
| 06:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: that's what tab nick completion is meant for, what's so hard to use it? |
| 06:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | 7:37 AM |
| 06:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | good time here in this chan is maybe from now+2h to now+18h |
| 06:39.10 | SpeedEvil | gretchen: it tends to be quite active mid-afternoon for you |
| 06:39.20 | SpeedEvil | gretchen: say 3-10pm? |
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| 06:40.51 | CableTwitch | Doc: Well, for instance, I type Doc, and it completes to dockane |
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| 06:41.14 | CableTwitch | And its easier typing 'Doc' ;O) |
| 06:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | pff, then type docs, or hit tab until it shows DocScrutinizer51 or DocScrutinizer |
| 06:41.34 | CableTwitch | That, and I'm not used to using nick completion yet. |
| 06:41.45 | gretchen | OK That's a 9 hour difference. OK thanks. I need to do some beginning research. Later. Bye. |
| 06:41.50 | CableTwitch | Its not part of my typing habits. |
| 06:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | gretchen: cya |
| 06:42.02 | CableTwitch | gretchen: Good luck, and see you around! |
| 06:42.36 | CableTwitch | I think I'm going to hit the sack too, its 6:41am, and I need to be up at 3. |
| 06:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: my irc client even re-inserts the recently used nick, when tab'ed on empty line. That's for sure more convenient than typing doc: which doesn't help anything as it doesn't highlight here |
| 06:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: see |
| 06:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: what |
| 06:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: i |
| 06:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | CableTwitch: mean |
| 06:45.02 | CableTwitch | Sure, I know. Mine also highlights on Cable, Twitch, CT and Bastard. |
| 06:45.24 | CableTwitch | Which does occasionally pick up random crap in conversation, but keeps me alert :O) |
| 06:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no tab expansion on Bastard, so you'll have to live with me calling you CableTwitch |
| 06:45.57 | CableTwitch | Whatever works, I guess ;O) |
| 06:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, doc: is even ambiguous (as you noticed already), so you'll never again find me highlighting it |
| 06:48.46 | CableTwitch | DocScru, maybe? XD |
| 06:48.57 | CableTwitch | I'll try and remember to use tab complete when I'm here./ |
| 06:50.16 | CableTwitch | Anyhow, sleep for the useless sod now. Adios! |
| 06:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | don't dream of nasty cable snakes |
| 06:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | off for chemical cocktail, with caffeine and milk |
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| 06:53.53 | ieatlint | add some whiskey |
| 06:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | ^.^ |
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| 06:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure if that's exactly recommended by the chemicals' user manuals |
| 06:56.28 | ieatlint | it's generally good advice though |
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| 07:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | VLC vulnerability: http://www.videolan.org/security/sa1007.html |
| 07:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | Summary : Buffer overflow in Real demuxer |
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| 07:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | Solution |
| 07:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | VLC media player 1.1.6 addresses this issue. Patches for older versions are available from the official VLC source code repositories. |
| 07:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | </quote> it's unlikely but not impossible to see an exploit tailored for ARM out in the wild |
| 07:13.02 | SpeedEvil | Does the stock stack use VLC? |
| 07:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | npe |
| 07:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 07:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | so the situation isn't as nasty as it's been (and still is?) with flash-plugin |
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| 07:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | and unlike flash we got source for VLC |
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| 07:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | so little chances to bash Nokia all over the place, for not fixing a vulnerability that's documented and not fixable by community ;-) |
| 07:18.48 | ieatlint | yeah, the stock uses gstreamer, and i don't believe even supports real |
| 07:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | I still like to find a website that spreads an evil flash-virus that implements keylogger and whatnot on my N900, then sue Nokia for the damage done and get compensation. Well, probably I have to code that maemo-flash-virus by myself :-) |
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| 07:20.01 | fellu | hmm o.O |
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| 07:21.22 | ieatlint | try writing something that just changes the root password, configures sshd to auto-start (assuming installed) |
| 07:21.50 | ieatlint | and then of course notify you somehow |
| 07:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 07:22.18 | ieatlint | would be simpler to write methinks |
| 07:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | wait, I have a script for that collecting dust on some dark sectors of my HDD |
| 07:22.45 | ieatlint | and you could then login and do whatever you wanted... keylogger, harvest imsi, dial non-free phone numbers |
| 07:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 07:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | but that's a bit harder to link to flash, in a provable way sufficient for a case at court |
| 07:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | so my chances to sue Nokia for compensation for that $500.000 somebody booked off my bank account are a bit smaller |
| 07:25.47 | ruskie | erm??? |
| 07:26.08 | ieatlint | wishes he had $500k in a bank account to be stolen |
| 07:26.45 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I started to feel that's a point in my idea not well thought |
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| 07:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | well, the virus could call a few 0900-LICK-MY-BOOTS numbers, and so my fiancee gave me a ticket to run and refused to marry me. I guess that's worth some compensation for damage done to my life |
| 07:30.12 | ieatlint | there you go |
| 07:30.19 | ieatlint | won't work for me, but i can come up with something else |
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| 07:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, coming up with material or immaterial damage done by a virus that sneaked in cause Nokia didn't care about the known vulnerability, that's really easy |
| 07:32.58 | ieatlint | although, the problem with that plan, is that your fiancee would actually have to leave you |
| 07:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | that's no problem, I just need to find one first :-P |
| 07:33.25 | ieatlint | haha |
| 07:33.57 | ieatlint | that's not too hard |
| 07:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 07:34.12 | ieatlint | it's 8:30am there? just go to the bar, and ask any woman there... she should be desperate enough |
| 07:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 07:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | here, at 8:30am, even the bars are desperate |
| 07:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. closed |
| 07:35.13 | ieatlint | or craigslist: "need fiancée for scam" |
| 07:36.07 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, how do you get xchat nick recompletion. some xchat setting? |
| 07:36.15 | ieatlint | clearly you don't live in a place with enough alcoholics... 95% of bars are closed here at 8:30am, but that still leaves quite a few open |
| 07:36.49 | ieatlint | trumee: xchat defaults to tab-completion |
| 07:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, I could reduce my estimated value of damage by 75%, if Nokia is going to release a fixed flash-plugin for maemo |
| 07:37.03 | ieatlint | see the "interface-> input box" settings |
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| 07:37.26 | trumee | ieatlint, i have tab completion |
| 07:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: err, I got shift-space, it's set up in keybindings. Dunno if it's in default as shipped with xchat now |
| 07:38.05 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, i thought you meant some sort of autocompletion |
| 07:38.06 | ieatlint | ah |
| 07:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | xchat is painfully missing the tab-at-start-of-line repeating last nick |
| 07:39.20 | trumee | [06:44] <DocScrutinizer> CableTwitch: my irc client even re-inserts the recently used nick, when tab'ed on empty line. That's for sure more convenient than typing doc: which doesn't help anything as it doesn't highlight here |
| 07:39.39 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, what setting is that? |
| 07:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: you're free to ctcp version me |
| 07:40.02 | ieatlint | trumee: see settings i referenced |
| 07:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using Konversation |
| 07:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | on my PC |
| 07:40.26 | trumee | ieatlint, thanks |
| 07:40.28 | ieatlint | there's a setting for order of tab completion, alphabetical vs last spoke order |
| 07:40.39 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, not on N900? |
| 07:40.48 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, got it |
| 07:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | nope, DocScrutinizer51 is on RX-51 |
| 07:40.58 | ieatlint | won't work for an empty line, but will solve things like the multiple doc issue |
| 07:41.02 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, even i do konversation on PC |
| 07:41.29 | trumee | bbl guys |
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| 07:48.27 | sid_on | self soldered cable |
| 07:49.01 | sid_on | http://pastebin.com/i4nAqdHZ |
| 07:49.59 | sid_on | its with a usb serial adapter in full speed hostmode |
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| 07:51.52 | sid_on | after some time it detects it |
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| 07:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 07:59.04 | MohammadAG | prefers one nick for all now |
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| 07:59.18 | MohammadAG | that way i don't have to check both nick's PMs |
| 07:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | well, ZNC didn't play nice with Konversation plus xchat, for the ctcp |
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| 08:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | sid_on: you're not by any chance bastibasti of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=928798&postcount=682 |
| 08:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 08:06.11 | MohammadAG | any tips for 3G and battery life? |
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| 08:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | have a spare battery? |
| 08:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | don't do it? |
| 08:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 08:07.32 | sid_on | /dev/ttyUSB0 is created automatically; i already modprobe'd usbserial |
| 08:08.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, besides the 4 batteries I have |
| 08:08.41 | MohammadAG | and no WLAN for two weeks :P |
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| 08:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | wallcharger |
| 08:09.15 | MohammadAG | while on the go? :P |
| 08:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | oh well, then get a mobile mains outlet |
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| 08:09.50 | sid_on | will buy one; its probably the cable |
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| 08:41.02 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 08:44.14 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, no problem, he deserved it. |
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| 08:57.28 | jonwil | learnt 2 things about his N900 yesterday |
| 08:57.46 | RobbieThe1st | Yes? |
| 08:58.01 | jonwil | The first is that the speakers on the N900 are hard to hear when there are fireworks going off and you are trying to use the FM radio app :) |
| 08:58.15 | RobbieThe1st | BTW, does anyone know a good person to talk to about PyQT and tasktray icons? |
| 08:58.28 | jonwil | The second is that you shouldn't use the touchscreen just after eating some KFC |
| 08:58.29 | RobbieThe1st | jonwil: And the second? |
| 08:58.33 | RobbieThe1st | Ah, yea |
| 08:58.47 | RobbieThe1st | But, that's what cotton T-shirts are for. |
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| 09:01.36 | jonwil | Tonight is going to be a "stay up past midnight drinking coca-cola and working on N900 stuff" night. |
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| 09:03.33 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: once you spill coca-cola on your n900 it is no longer happy. |
| 09:03.57 | jonwil | which is why I plan to keep the coca-cola and the N900 away from each other |
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| 09:09.33 | OkropNick | Sometimes phone application on N900 doesn't rotate when I rotating phone. Accelometer is working fine, it's some software error. Restarting N900 is helping, but I'd rather to restart only one app or daemon. Does anyone knows what to restart? |
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| 10:00.22 | magnus_ | hey. i'm considering getting a n900 for some development and to use as an everyday phone. can anyone give me some battery lifetime estimates? |
| 10:01.37 | fellu | Yea. |
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| 10:04.15 | magnus_ | lets say im running a small app that uses the GPS and sends my current position every minute or so over the 3G connection |
| 10:04.29 | magnus_ | no other apps are active |
| 10:04.43 | magnus_ | for how long do you think the n900 will survive? |
| 10:05.21 | RST38h | 8-12hours |
| 10:05.54 | achipa | more, especially if he does it the right way - i.e. switch off the GPS in those pauses |
| 10:06.55 | achipa | plus the vast array of underclock/undervolting :) |
| 10:07.28 | achipa | but I guess the real question is the 'everyday phone' part, that might be the dominant battery sucker |
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| 10:10.45 | magnus_ | ok, 8-12 hours sounds nice |
| 10:11.28 | magnus_ | is it really viable to turn off the gps in between samples if samplerate is 1 / minute? won't it draw quite a lot power as it tries to fix satellites during init? |
| 10:12.05 | magnus_ | achipa, does the n900 perform automatic frequency scaling? like using the on-demand cpufreq governor on linux? |
| 10:12.43 | achipa | magnus_: it does, in fact it is using EXACTLY that :) |
| 10:12.54 | magnus_ | excellent |
| 10:13.35 | achipa | IIUC gps off is okay as those are hot starts so the TTF will be low |
| 10:14.24 | achipa | (i.e. not having to power the GPS one minute if yout don't really read from it is more saving than the extra draw of a new fix IIRC) |
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| 10:14.47 | magnus_ | ok |
| 10:15.03 | achipa | if you do want to store the reads and just send them at once is of course a different story |
| 10:15.06 | jacekowski | achipa: buehe |
| 10:15.08 | magnus_ | i used to have the n810, it had a _horrible_ gps, i was almost never able to get a fix with it. has this changed on n900? |
| 10:15.11 | jacekowski | magnus_: 5h at most |
| 10:15.33 | magnus_ | jacekowski, really? thats a lot different from 8-12 hours =) |
| 10:15.36 | jacekowski | magnus_: underfrequency makes battery life worse than nominal and makes phone unstable |
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| 10:15.41 | achipa | magnus_: if you have 3G as you say, it shold be night and day |
| 10:16.07 | jacekowski | modem stays active for exaclty 60s after there was no transmission |
| 10:16.13 | achipa | jacekowski: I get 5h with Ovi maps on all the time |
| 10:16.14 | jacekowski | so modem will be fully powered all the time |
| 10:16.26 | jacekowski | achipa: and you will get exactly same |
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| 10:16.48 | jacekowski | achipa: maybe little bit better if you will keep screen off |
| 10:16.49 | achipa | oh, so maps uses no CPU and the screen is powering itself ? |
| 10:16.51 | achipa | :) |
| 10:16.51 | magnus_ | so the modem will be the major energy consumer here? |
| 10:17.00 | jacekowski | modem and gps |
| 10:17.22 | jacekowski | then cpu |
| 10:17.47 | achipa | magnus_: you might be better off by using 2G since you're using it as a phone anyway. |
| 10:17.59 | jacekowski | 2g only isn't going to help a lot |
| 10:18.06 | jacekowski | but hmm, hour more maybe |
| 10:18.20 | achipa | an hour here, an hour there... 12h ! :D |
| 10:18.28 | magnus_ | i have an old non-smart phone now, i connect to a remote GPS over bluetooth, and have it do the exact same (send gps coords every 1 minute over 3G connection). it can last for at least 4 hours... but in this case, the gps is powered from its own battery. but i have 900 mAh battery in my phone and ~400 mAh in GPS. should be approx same as n900 total capacity |
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| 10:18.44 | MohammadAG | anyone got UI suggestions for h-e-n? http://i55.tinypic.com/28i259z.jpg |
| 10:19.21 | achipa | magnus_: the GPS in the phone has more overhead, i.e. not being handled by some super-small embedded controller, but going for processing to the 'big' CPU |
| 10:19.44 | jacekowski | achipa: gps is handled by rapuyama |
| 10:20.10 | magnus_ | really? i thought they just emitted NMEA strings to the main cpu .. which isn't that heavy to parse (my non-smart phone does it in Java app) |
| 10:20.13 | RobbieThe1st | MohammadAG: Couldn't we set the settings we want(speed etc) first, then press "Connect" and have it set those all at once? |
| 10:20.27 | jacekowski | magnus_: nope |
| 10:20.37 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, isn't that way you do :P |
| 10:20.40 | MohammadAG | what* |
| 10:20.41 | jacekowski | magnus_: rapuyama communicates over phonet with main cpu with some nokia proprtiary protocol |
| 10:20.51 | jacekowski | magnus_: and then thing happen |
| 10:21.04 | jacekowski | can somebody translate something for me |
| 10:21.05 | jacekowski | The Airview9 is $39 USD. Shipping UPS Worldwide Expedited is $90.25. We accept wire transfers ($35 fee) or PayPal for international orders. |
| 10:21.07 | RobbieThe1st | MohammadAG: Possibly also having a listbox with any found USB devices so you know if it's connected? |
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| 10:21.20 | magnus_ | really? they have a proprietary gps protocol? .. does this mean i can't write my own gps app? |
| 10:21.22 | jacekowski | does it mean it will cost me $39+$90 |
| 10:21.27 | jacekowski | magnus_: you can |
| 10:21.33 | jacekowski | magnus_: there are location libraries |
| 10:21.38 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, yes, it means shipping > price |
| 10:21.39 | jacekowski | magnus_: that implement that protocol |
| 10:22.08 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: but i'm not sure if it's $129 in total to pay or "just" $90 |
| 10:23.03 | MohammadAG | 130 |
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| 10:23.35 | jacekowski | then 20% import VAT on top of that |
| 10:23.41 | magnus_ | jacekowski, is it not possible to lower the 60s timeout on the modem? so it goes to sleep right after it is not used. it seems weird to me. again, on my current phone, i check my email once every 5 minutes and it can survive for days.. it must mean that modem is not power all the time |
| 10:23.50 | jacekowski | it'll be cheaper to buy alternative here in uk |
| 10:23.58 | jacekowski | magnus_: nope |
| 10:24.22 | jacekowski | magnus_: it takes couple seconds to estabilish connections |
| 10:24.30 | jacekowski | magnus_: so it's just that |
| 10:24.47 | jacekowski | you could force disconnection |
| 10:24.51 | magnus_ | ok, but a couple seconds is still << 60s |
| 10:24.57 | jacekowski | but modem would stay active |
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| 10:26.10 | magnus_ | i see |
| 10:26.17 | magnus_ | is this common design for all phones? |
| 10:26.23 | RobbieThe1st | Anyone here know stuff about signals and threading with PyQT4? |
| 10:29.33 | MohammadAG | ask, someone might |
| 10:29.40 | MohammadAG | khertan's here :P |
| 10:30.00 | RobbieThe1st | Alright, I'll try asking him. |
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| 10:31.20 | RobbieThe1st | khertan: I've got a bit of a question: I've got a thread run by a Timer object, and I need to change a GUI element. Changing it directly results in "It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread". How should I go about it? |
| 10:36.02 | magnus_ | jacekowski, what about if I set it to 2G? i can still send data over GPRS since its really tiny amounts, would that help battery life? |
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| 10:47.44 | OkropNick | magnus_: using only 2G you can send data over GPRS but both connedctions (voice + dana) cannot be established. voice or data. during data transfer incoming call will disconnect data transfer |
| 10:49.42 | kerio | it would indeed save battery life |
| 10:51.12 | magnus_ | yeah, gprs is circuit switched, right? im not so picky about losing data (or delaying data) if a call comes in.. i guess the linux tcp stack will deal with that once the call is over and it starts to retransmit lost packets |
| 10:51.35 | magnus_ | kerio, happen to have any numbers on that? |
| 10:51.46 | kerio | less shit sent |
| 10:51.53 | kerio | equals less power needed to send shit |
| 10:52.12 | magnus_ | isn't it also at a lower frequency? 3g uses 5Ghz, doesnt it? |
| 10:52.31 | jonwil | 3G doesnt use 5Ghz |
| 10:52.39 | jonwil | 3G uses different frequencies depending on carrier |
| 10:52.46 | jonwil | but 5Ghz is not one of them AFAIK |
| 10:52.57 | jonwil | My carrier uses 900MHz and 1200MHz |
| 10:53.09 | magnus_ | so no frequency diff for 3g? i thought that was the whole reason there are like 10x more 3g antennas in my neigbourhood than 2g |
| 10:53.12 | jonwil | wait that's 2100MHz |
| 10:53.29 | jonwil | you can carry more data over 3G but the range is less |
| 10:53.34 | jonwil | hence why you need more towers |
| 10:53.45 | jonwil | it also depends on exactly which frequencies the carrier is using |
| 10:53.52 | jonwil | e.g. my carrier uses 900M |
| 10:53.59 | jonwil | 900MHz and 1800MHz for 2G |
| 10:54.06 | jonwil | but 900 and 2100 for 3G |
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| 10:54.35 | magnus_ | more data with less range sounds an awful lot like a higher frequency.. but perhaps the modulation is more efficient too |
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| 10:55.10 | jonwil | which carrier are you with? |
| 10:55.16 | jonwil | and which country? |
| 10:55.20 | magnus_ | tele2 in sweden |
| 10:56.35 | Trewas | 900mhz 3g is quite new and it indeed has longer range the 2.1ghz frequencies which has been used since the beginning of 3g |
| 10:56.50 | jonwil | Per google and http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/sweden.html its using 900 and 1800 for 2G |
| 10:56.55 | jonwil | and 2100 for 3G |
| 10:57.04 | jonwil | so yes 3G is higher frequency in your case |
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| 10:57.50 | magnus_ | ok. how does 3g work over 900 MHz then? it should not be able to keep up with the transfer speeds vs 2100 MHz, right? |
| 10:58.07 | magnus_ | but really, i'd prefer to run 3g over 900 Mhz, it should be a lot more power efficient |
| 11:03.49 | Trewas | magnus_: at least here (.fi) the operators build either 2.1ghz or 900mhz network, not both, in some area, 900mhz is used in less populated areas because of larger cell size (and lower capacity) |
| 11:04.41 | jacekowski | magnus_: 100MBit ethernet works on 100MHz |
| 11:04.47 | magnus_ | i see |
| 11:05.19 | jacekowski | 3g is wideband |
| 11:05.33 | magnus_ | but i think when each client expects high speed (up to 30+ mbit/s), the cell should have more than 100 Mbit capacity |
| 11:05.47 | jacekowski | yeah that's a keyword |
| 11:05.49 | jacekowski | UP TO |
| 11:05.56 | jacekowski | that's one |
| 11:06.01 | jacekowski | and 3g is wideband |
| 11:06.54 | jacekowski | ADSL work on 25kHz to 1100kHz |
| 11:06.58 | jacekowski | so up to 1MHz |
| 11:07.03 | jacekowski | and can push 24Mbits |
| 11:07.25 | jacekowski | because it's using multiple 4kHz channels |
| 11:08.07 | Trewas | by the way, is it even possible to see with n900 which 3g or 2g frequency is used? |
| 11:08.21 | jacekowski | hardware can do it |
| 11:08.29 | jacekowski | but i'm pretty sure there is no software for it |
| 11:08.54 | Trewas | obviously hardware knows, but I wondered if that info is available in sysfs etc |
| 11:09.11 | jacekowski | nope |
| 11:09.18 | jacekowski | it's avaliable on phonet probably |
| 11:09.26 | chx | given the secrecy surrounding baseband |
| 11:09.28 | chx | i'd be shocked |
| 11:10.12 | jacekowski | well, thing is that competitors probably already opened and reversed rapuyama couple times |
| 11:14.33 | chx | likely |
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| 11:15.01 | BCMM | is there a difference, on the n900, between manual 5cm focus and macro mode? |
| 11:15.20 | alterego | BCMM: macro has auto focus |
| 11:15.51 | BCMM | ah ok |
| 11:16.04 | alterego | But it only focuses around the short distances |
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| 11:16.17 | BCMM | is there any underlying feature it uses, or does it just tell the autofocus algorithm to find something close rather than far? |
| 11:16.43 | alterego | No, no feature |
| 11:16.49 | BCMM | thanks |
| 11:17.52 | ieatlint | magnus_: one more comment about the 2100 vs 900 thing... 900mhz does have a longer transmission range (and building penetration), however the 900mhz 3g bandwidth is 35mhz for upload/download (each) and the 2100mhz bandwidth is 60mhz each |
| 11:18.23 | ieatlint | this is largely due to the more valuable lower frequencies having been assigned long before 3g existed |
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| 11:21.02 | ieatlint | so yeah, 2100mhz cell towers have a larger capacity for users... the 900mhz range may not even be available for 3g in your country |
| 11:21.12 | ieatlint | i believe (but am not sure) it clashes with 2g 900mhz gsm usage |
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| 12:18.46 | sivang | hi all |
| 12:19.15 | sivang | I just wanted to say thank you to the Modest developers for pr1.2 and above, if anybody is here or can forward this thanks to them. |
| 12:19.29 | sivang | starting with 1.2 I stopped just entering gmail.com from MicroB |
| 12:19.32 | sivang | and it works well for me |
| 12:19.34 | sivang | thank you |
| 12:20.00 | sivang | (speaking specifically about performance of fetching messages and responsiveness) |
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| 12:46.06 | Jarock | hello |
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| 12:49.34 | Jarock | hello have a poblem with my nokia n900 Unfortunately I can not connect to my wireless router wireless router manufacturer is: 3G Wireless Ready Router WL-610 |
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| 12:50.54 | Jarock | on other devices with wireless works beautifully not only because |
| 12:51.39 | BCMM | Jarock: anything in dmesg? |
| 12:51.51 | BCMM | also, does it fail even if you're right next to the router? |
| 12:52.28 | BCMM | also, you could try turning off power-saving in case it's got a broken implementation, but that usually presents as random disconnection, not failure to connect in the first place |
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| 12:53.38 | Jarock | the router is about 1 meter away what DMSG? |
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| 12:54.49 | Jarock | yes power-saving is disabled |
| 12:55.52 | Jarock | I guess the ping does not work with this router |
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| 13:00.59 | alterego | That is a possibility |
| 13:01.12 | alterego | Your best bet is trying to connect to it via the web interface |
| 13:01.18 | alterego | Or running nmap against it. |
| 13:01.44 | alterego | If you type "route -n" at the console it'll tell you the gateway address. |
| 13:02.46 | Jarock | the essid ? "route -n "essid"? |
| 13:04.09 | Jarock | momaway |
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| 13:06.14 | Jarock | ree |
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| 13:09.34 | alterego | No, when you're connected that'll tell you the gateway IP address. |
| 13:10.15 | Jarock | route not installed |
| 13:12.30 | alterego | eh? |
| 13:12.38 | alterego | This is on an N900 right? |
| 13:13.05 | alterego | Did it say "route: not found"? |
| 13:13.14 | alterego | I think you have to be root to run route. |
| 13:13.35 | alterego | Actually, "/sbin/route -n" |
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| 13:15.03 | Jarock | ok yes mom |
| 13:15.27 | alterego | I am not your mom |
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| 13:15.31 | alterego | I am a real boy! |
| 13:15.35 | korhojoa | Hah. |
| 13:15.37 | korhojoa | Your mom. |
| 13:17.41 | Jarock | have the sudo master pw not |
| 13:18.46 | Jarock | I have an idea of my routers web interface is so English who can look at times wlan option if there maybe a configuration error because as you can set more than wpa and mac address filtering (by TeamViewer), any other router works so |
| 13:20.21 | alterego | sighs and walks away |
| 13:21.54 | Jarock | no listet gateway ip by "/sbin/route -n" |
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| 13:31.02 | Juozapas | where i can see which dns servers n900 use at the moment ? |
| 13:31.37 | psycho_oreos | maybe in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:31.44 | alterego | psycho_oreos: nope |
| 13:32.04 | Juozapas | no.. |
| 13:32.15 | psycho_oreos | alterego, humm then just tcpdump a connection :) |
| 13:32.33 | alterego | psycho_oreos: that'd work :) |
| 13:33.22 | psycho_oreos | it may use the default route's IP as DNS |
| 13:33.35 | alterego | I'm actually not sure of this, but I use my own DNS through a socks 5 ssh proxy connection |
| 13:33.40 | psycho_oreos | yeah but then one needs to filter all the un-necessary junk out |
| 13:33.47 | alterego | psycho_oreos: no again :) |
| 13:34.06 | alterego | (it doesn't use gateway) |
| 13:34.13 | psycho_oreos | alterego, oh well I'm clueless, surely the entries are in somewhere |
| 13:34.17 | alterego | Unless that's what the dhcp server says to use |
| 13:34.33 | alterego | yes, they must be somewhere |
| 13:34.48 | psycho_oreos | yeah but imo normally entries of whatever DHCPd says goes into /etc/resolv.conf. That's the normal *nix procedure |
| 13:35.56 | alterego | cat /var/run/resolve.conf.gprs |
| 13:36.04 | Juozapas | the problem is that i set up my dhcp server to use give one lan dns server for clients and for all computers it works well, they get that dns and it works if you try it on browser, but only for n900 it doesnt work |
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| 13:36.57 | alterego | or cat /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 |
| 13:36.59 | alterego | for wireless |
| 13:37.15 | alterego | The files only exist when connected |
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| 13:37.34 | Juozapas | ok, it there... |
| 13:37.51 | alterego | anyhow, bbl |
| 13:38.56 | Juozapas | but when i try to load a site from lan via domain from my dns server - unable to connect |
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| 13:39.18 | lardman | http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/12274722 surely not |
| 13:39.21 | BCMM | was Jarock using machine translation or something? |
| 13:39.37 | BCMM | lardman: seen it all before... |
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| 13:41.06 | Juozapas | any ideas? |
| 13:42.30 | psycho_oreos | Juozapas, why not just affix the dns servers into /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:43.37 | jacekowski | psycho_oreos: because it will be regenerated anyways |
| 13:45.01 | psycho_oreos | jacekowski, I haven't had mine being regenerated :) just checked mine and I still have google DNS inside that file |
| 13:45.15 | jacekowski | restart your phone |
| 13:45.37 | Juozapas | yeah, it no a solution |
| 13:45.40 | psycho_oreos | done that a few times before |
| 13:47.47 | psycho_oreos | Juozapas, you could even manually set those DNS IP addresses inside the icd thingy but if you're looking for alternatives you're pretty much pushing your luck |
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| 13:49.26 | Juozapas | i'm just curious why it doesn't work on browser if it gets those server on /var/run/resolv.conf/wlan0 |
| 13:50.21 | Juozapas | also i can ping to that hostname from my dns |
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| 14:09.13 | ShadowJK | is that how new? |
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| 14:19.57 | tjuxx | does anyone know where the calender data is stored?? Is there a possibility to use a custom ical file?? |
| 14:21.45 | psycho_oreos | it might be in /home/user/.calendar/calendardb for calendar data |
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| 14:42.08 | tjuxx | and how is it stored?? |
| 14:42.34 | psycho_oreos | in sqlite format according to the first few lines of that file |
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| 14:45.22 | tjuxx | thanks |
| 14:45.34 | psycho_oreos | nw |
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| 14:50.03 | RST38h | yawns. So, what is new and exciting tonight? |
| 14:51.10 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm having bacon, cabbage, and potatos for dinner? |
| 14:51.31 | SpeedEvil | N9 to feature 4004 CPU? |
| 14:51.38 | RST38h | Cooool |
| 14:52.05 | SpeedEvil | It's gonna be all retro, with nixies, and toggle switches. |
| 14:52.28 | kerio | no, that's the *number* of cpus |
| 14:52.41 | kerio | 4004 cpus |
| 14:53.23 | RST38h | Will it swap to the perforated tape? |
| 14:53.40 | kerio | it'll have more L2 cache than RAM |
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| 14:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | yawn |
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| 14:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | I'm reworking one of those sugar-cube plugs (magreader) so you can swap to cards with magnet stripe |
| 14:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | wait, we had that with HP67? |
| 15:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | rollout HP67/97: 1976 - sigh, those were the times when I was young and magnet cards were real fun |
| 15:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh english wikipedia sucks once more, so here it is: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-67/-97 |
| 15:05.39 | ShadowJK | I wonder why m n900 is blining blue led |
| 15:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 15:06.01 | psycho_oreos | message? |
| 15:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | @.@ |
| 15:06.42 | DocScrutinizer | blinking or blinding |
| 15:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
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| 15:08.03 | jarock | hi |
| 15:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~spell blining |
| 15:08.09 | jarock | have detected problem |
| 15:08.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict lining |
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| 15:10.20 | jonwil | My N900 displays the "battery charging" icon on the status bar yet when I close the screen, the KLD |
| 15:10.24 | jonwil | the LED doesnt light up |
| 15:10.28 | jonwil | what could be wrong? |
| 15:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | LED chip fsckd. fcam was notorious to cause this. take out battery |
| 15:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | or wait... |
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| 15:12.09 | jonwil | I have not installed fcam |
| 15:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | try this: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternCommunicationIM" |
| 15:13.35 | jonwil | the dbus-send didnt do it |
| 15:13.37 | jonwil | still no go |
| 15:13.46 | jonwil | should I try restarting the phone? |
| 15:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | check /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 15:13.52 | jonwil | i.e. turn off then on again |
| 15:14.04 | jonwil | I havent modified that file |
| 15:14.16 | DocScrutinizer | LED pattern editor? |
| 15:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | tweakr? |
| 15:14.24 | jonwil | nope, havent use either |
| 15:14.25 | psycho_oreos | there might be a way to restart mce somehow |
| 15:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | reboot |
| 15:14.37 | jonwil | Unless fm-radio did something |
| 15:14.39 | jonwil | and broke it |
| 15:14.53 | psycho_oreos | LED pattern editor does restart MCE after saving changes |
| 15:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | maybe try: stop mce, start mce |
| 15:15.15 | jonwil | trying a reboot now |
| 15:16.36 | jonwil | ok, a reboot didn't fix it |
| 15:16.42 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 15:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | dmesg |
| 15:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | check for mce msgs |
| 15:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | ps|grep mce |
| 15:17.19 | psycho_oreos | why not dmesg| grep mce ? |
| 15:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | because the context might be interesting, and there might be other relevant bits |
| 15:18.03 | jonwil | smesg | grep mce shows nothing |
| 15:18.20 | jonwil | dmesg that is |
| 15:18.26 | jonwil | ps | grep mce shows nothing else |
| 15:18.28 | jonwil | either |
| 15:19.45 | jonwil | although if I search the ps listings manually I do see the daemon running |
| 15:19.45 | psycho_oreos | try: /sbin/mce --force-syslog & |
| 15:19.53 | jonwil | its definatly running |
| 15:20.26 | jonwil | but no battery light |
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| 15:21.27 | lopz | hi ;D |
| 15:21.35 | jonwil | this is annoying |
| 15:21.37 | psycho_oreos | did you check the `device on' for the notification light? |
| 15:21.47 | jonwil | in mce.ini? |
| 15:21.57 | jonwil | or where? |
| 15:21.57 | psycho_oreos | no, under settings |
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| 15:22.28 | jonwil | thanks, something seems to have turned it off :P |
| 15:22.40 | psycho_oreos | hmm there's also option for charging under notification light as well, if that's checked don't worry about it, just check the box for device on and see that if the device turns off the screen does it show white light |
| 15:23.04 | psycho_oreos | s/show/shows/ |
| 15:23.59 | jonwil | charging is selected |
| 15:24.04 | jonwil | but still no light |
| 15:24.07 | ShadowJK | I get blue led, opened phone app, no mixxed calls, opened conversations, no missed messages.. still blue, wtf |
| 15:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | xchat |
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| 15:24.45 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, what about device on? does it show white light when the screen isn't on? |
| 15:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: h-e-n? |
| 15:25.00 | jonwil | nope, no light on the LED at all |
| 15:25.04 | ShadowJK | tried /led_cancel |
| 15:25.05 | jonwil | and no I dont have host-mode installed |
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| 15:25.14 | ShadowJK | s/ed/es/ |
| 15:25.20 | ShadowJK | ... |
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| 15:25.34 | jonwil | cannot get the LED to display anything |
| 15:25.44 | jonwil | even though all the settings are ticked |
| 15:25.47 | jarock | connection problem is DTIM Period: 1 by router ^^^ |
| 15:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is wrong with ibot?? |
| 15:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | aaah action |
| 15:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | mce,ini borked |
| 15:26.47 | psycho_oreos | most of the lights are dependent on specific event triggering, but if it isn't lighting up based on option `device on' |
| 15:27.12 | jonwil | definatly no lights at all |
| 15:27.20 | psycho_oreos | hmm tried what DocScrutinizer said? using dbus |
| 15:27.34 | psycho_oreos | <DocScrutinizer> try this: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternCommunicationIM" |
| 15:27.36 | ShadowJK | jarock, I think I have 50ms |
| 15:27.43 | ShadowJK | if dtim is same as beacon.. |
| 15:27.56 | jonwil | nothing with that dbus call |
| 15:27.58 | jonwil | no light at all |
| 15:28.08 | jonwil | I havent edited mce.ini at all |
| 15:28.16 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi, what's the easiest feedback at the lowest level? |
| 15:28.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | something like an i2cset that blink a led |
| 15:28.29 | jonwil | unless FM-radio app broke something... |
| 15:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: what's with kbd backlight? |
| 15:28.47 | jonwil | kbd backlight does light up |
| 15:28.59 | psycho_oreos | I honestly doubt FM-radio app would break LED light but then again I'm not sure |
| 15:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:r/brightness |
| 15:29.08 | jonwil | when I activate the "screen on" switch, I get kbd backlight |
| 15:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that's same chip. So it's definitely mce |
| 15:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | esp if above cmd gives red led |
| 15:29.46 | ShadowJK | oh, it was opera |
| 15:29.49 | jonwil | that echo command did nothing |
| 15:29.55 | jonwil | which is a WTF in itself |
| 15:29.58 | jarock | ShadowJK: i set DTIM Period: 10 no connection; set DTIM Period: 1 connection with long ping |
| 15:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 15:30.19 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, it sets the brightness on the keyboard iinm |
| 15:30.34 | ShadowJK | jarock, what was it before? |
| 15:30.59 | jarock | DTIM Period: 3 |
| 15:31.28 | ShadowJK | is that ms or seconds? |
| 15:31.31 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, actually no correction, on mine it shows up red light, but that's most likely for charging, should be orange/amber by default |
| 15:31.50 | ShadowJK | oh wait |
| 15:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | echo 2 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:r/led_current |
| 15:31.57 | ShadowJK | it's specified in beaconds |
| 15:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:r/brightness |
| 15:32.09 | jarock | seconds |
| 15:32.11 | ShadowJK | Do you have a beacon interval setting? |
| 15:32.19 | jarock | yes |
| 15:32.32 | jonwil | nothing with those 2 commands |
| 15:32.43 | jarock | Beacon Interval set 999 ms |
| 15:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | pfff |
| 15:33.09 | jonwil | hopes it isnt a hardware fault |
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| 15:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | power-kernel? |
| 15:33.22 | jonwil | stock kernel |
| 15:33.28 | ShadowJK | ah yeah, I have that as 50 or 100ms. That's a nice router you have, you can precisely set the powersaving vs lag balance yourself :-) |
| 15:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | shut down. plug in charger. watch led for very short flash of amber |
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| 15:34.48 | jarock | ShadowJK: so how do I get high ping off about 2 seconds |
| 15:35.03 | jonwil | ok, what that did is produced Nokia icon on display with mo backlight plus a vibrate of the vibrator. No LED at all |
| 15:35.15 | jonwil | Then it displayed some dots in the middle of the screen |
| 15:35.18 | jonwil | and then nothing |
| 15:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | scratches head |
| 15:35.45 | ShadowJK | jarock, you wwant 2 second pings? |
| 15:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | maybe your hw has a defect |
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| 15:35.57 | jonwil | it worked before |
| 15:36.04 | jonwil | so its a real WTF |
| 15:36.09 | psycho_oreos | brand new or second hand n900? |
| 15:36.15 | jonwil | brand new |
| 15:36.19 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
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| 15:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | FPC cable defect may start that way |
| 15:36.54 | jarock | no, I would like low pingrate |
| 15:37.27 | jonwil | so is there anything else I can try or will I have to deal with warranty? |
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| 15:38.00 | jonwil | although in the grand scheme of things LED is not important |
| 15:38.16 | jonwil | its just annoying that it wont work |
| 15:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I'm rather out of ideas. You can try deplete batery *completely* then check emergency charge steady amber light. It's a different chip, just same cable and LED |
| 15:38.53 | psycho_oreos | I probably install LED Patterns and restore the functionality or test the various options, failing to work maybe poke around in rd-mode (which I highly doubt it will fix) |
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| 15:40.28 | jonwil | the fact that talking to the /sys items doesnt help is a bad sign IMO |
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| 15:40.38 | jonwil | since I can talk to the /sys items for the keyboard LEDs and make them change |
| 15:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I could talk you thru a sequence of i2cset cmds to enable charger steady amber (bq24150 OTG pin), but alas I have no time for that right now |
| 15:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK might help |
| 15:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: indeed |
| 15:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | and missing jellow flash on charger plugin is an even worse sign, well maybe not. It suggests cable or LED broken. I suspect cable |
| 15:42.13 | ShadowJK | jarock, I'd set beacon interval to 100 |
| 15:43.04 | ShadowJK | I get short yellow flash even when not in emergency mode |
| 15:43.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | I get yellow when battery is not handled |
| 15:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: stop bme, wait 30s |
| 15:43.36 | GNUtoo|laptop | with no BME etc... |
| 15:43.59 | jonwil | ok, killed bme |
| 15:44.02 | jonwil | no change |
| 15:44.03 | jonwil | no LED |
| 15:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: with charger plugged in |
| 15:44.11 | GNUtoo|laptop | and wait a bit |
| 15:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | charger plugged in - stop bme - wait 30s |
| 15:44.40 | jonwil | ok, bme is stopped |
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| 15:44.59 | jonwil | battery applet is still playing charging animation |
| 15:45.32 | jonwil | still waiting |
| 15:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | no yellow? |
| 15:45.37 | jonwil | no change to the LED |
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| 15:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | cable oD broken |
| 15:45.52 | merlin1991 | the LED is a miracle, it always blinked yellow when charging but atm it blinks green, wtf? |
| 15:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | cable or LED broken |
| 15:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect cable |
| 15:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | --->waranty repair, ASAP |
| 15:47.02 | jonwil | connected to other cable (i.e. PC rather than charger) and no change to LED state |
| 15:47.05 | jonwil | no LED |
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| 15:47.22 | jonwil | charger icon still flashing |
| 15:47.25 | jonwil | but no LED |
| 15:47.35 | jonwil | could that indicate faulty or busted LED? |
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| 15:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you need to have bme started, wallcharger Nokia plugged, then stop bme, wait 30s |
| 15:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | other sequences are untested and unclear result |
| 15:48.36 | jonwil | ok, trying that exact scequence now |
| 15:48.42 | jonwil | wallcharger plugged in |
| 15:48.44 | jonwil | stop bme |
| 15:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | start bme |
| 15:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | plug in charger |
| 15:48.56 | jonwil | battery charge icon still flashing |
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| 15:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | check icon is signalling charging |
| 15:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | stop bme |
| 15:49.14 | jonwil | yes I had bme plugged in when stopping BME |
| 15:49.19 | jonwil | I mean charger |
| 15:49.27 | jonwil | so charger was plugged in, icon was flashing |
| 15:49.30 | jonwil | I stopped bme |
| 15:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | --->waranty repair, ASAP |
| 15:49.41 | jonwil | ok, so it sounds like a busted LED? |
| 15:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | cable |
| 15:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | which is no difference, they need to change both anyway |
| 15:50.50 | jonwil | cable as in wallcharger or cable as in something internal to the phone? |
| 15:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | internal FPC from kbd to screen |
| 15:51.37 | GNUtoo|laptop | is able to blinks leds in SHR easily |
| 15:51.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | as there are no BME etc.... |
| 15:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: meh |
| 15:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | not with a broken cable |
| 15:52.24 | jonwil | sounds like not doing something about it could make important bits of the phone not function properly (i.e. screen or touch input) |
| 15:52.26 | GNUtoo|laptop | with echo |
| 15:52.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | or with mdbus2 |
| 15:52.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | because here there is hardware + software, that makes 2 variables |
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| 15:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: we already checked all this |
| 15:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: exactly |
| 15:54.01 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 15:54.03 | GNUtoo|laptop | sorry then |
| 15:54.46 | RST38bis | OMG we have lost gerbick |
| 15:57.09 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 15:57.23 | *** mode/#maemo [-q pupnik!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
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| 15:58.12 | RST38bis | ...and what have you done to pupnik? =) |
| 15:58.45 | jonwil | sounds like this cable fault isnt exactly unheard of on the N900 device... |
| 15:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | he took an off time |
| 15:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: at least 5 incidents |
| 16:00.06 | RST38bis | (state-of-factly) We are going to lose pupnik too. |
| 16:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 16:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | he just got his mood yesterday |
| 16:00.39 | jonwil | could something I did have caused this somehow? |
| 16:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | earned +q and queried me "thanks" |
| 16:00.51 | jonwil | or is this just something that can happen? |
| 16:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | can happen |
| 16:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | some cables are crap |
| 16:01.08 | jonwil | ok |
| 16:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | so unless you poked a credit card up between kbd and screen... :-) |
| 16:02.21 | jonwil | I certainly didnt do that intentionally |
| 16:02.31 | jonwil | but my phone has been in my bag along with some business cards and crap |
| 16:02.37 | jonwil | so it could have happened without me noticing it |
| 16:03.09 | jonwil | is glad he went with the store offering genuine Australian stock with a genuine Australian warranty |
| 16:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | rather unlikely. even if the card finds in, it won't come out without help ;-D |
| 16:03.49 | jonwil | regardless of what happened, I just tell Nokia that my LED wont work and could they please fix it |
| 16:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 16:04.55 | DocScrutinizer | keep your stylus and maybe battery. chances are you get a new one ;-) |
| 16:05.20 | jonwil | I am definatly glad I didnt pick the options from the stores that appear to be grey-market importing the phone and supply only their warranty and not the Nokia one |
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| 16:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, I didn't but it came with second stylus :-D |
| 16:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | and a really cheesy protective foil covering 2/3 of screen |
| 16:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | so best is you give it to the shop and ask them to sign a paper confirming scratch free screen |
| 16:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you may want to test front cam |
| 16:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | might have stopped working as well |
| 16:10.02 | jonwil | how can I test front cam? |
| 16:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | mirror |
| 16:11.22 | jonwil | no, what I mean is what app can I run that uses front cam? |
| 16:11.30 | nidO | mirror. |
| 16:11.56 | jonwil | oh ok, thats the name of an app |
| 16:11.57 | jonwil | thanks |
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| 16:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | also make sure you have an always working wlan and ssh - once screen fails it gets incredibly hard to backup otherwise |
| 16:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 16:13.36 | jonwil | I have working wlan and working SSH |
| 16:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | have to run |
| 16:15.08 | jonwil | installing mirror now |
| 16:17.07 | jonwil | mirror is providing me with a very grainy |
| 16:17.24 | jonwil | its working but its displaying rear camera image |
| 16:17.39 | jonwil | if I close rear camera shutter, it displays what I assume is inside of rear camera shutter |
| 16:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | ummm |
| 16:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | you mustn't open main cam door |
| 16:19.24 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 16:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | front and main are mutually exclusive use |
| 16:19.40 | jonwil | ok, mirror is running |
| 16:19.46 | jonwil | main camera door is closed |
| 16:19.56 | jonwil | and what I see on screen is just static |
| 16:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 16:20.15 | jonwil | a bit like what you get on TV screen except darker colored |
| 16:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | no surprise - though that's also known effect on low ambient light :-P |
| 16:20.47 | jonwil | I have plenty of lights turned on |
| 16:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | front cam is incredibly poor quality |
| 16:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | yours is even poorer then |
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| 16:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | aka defect |
| 16:21.28 | jonwil | so you think that is another sign of faulty cable? |
| 16:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:21.39 | lcuk | jonwil, please try something. reboot and without using other cam, test it |
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| 16:21.51 | jonwil | ok, will try that |
| 16:22.04 | RST38bis | hm, google no longer lets you search for "torrent" |
| 16:22.15 | RST38bis | and hello lcuk |
| 16:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | LOL@gogle |
| 16:22.34 | nidO | you can still search for it, just no auto complete or instant results |
| 16:22.48 | nidO | theyve killed a few other torrent-related terms as well |
| 16:22.54 | lcuk | hi RST38bis, your rss feed must be filled with fun |
| 16:23.02 | SpeedEvil | wants unsafe-search. |
| 16:23.22 | lcuk | is that the one where they ONLY show you dodgy sites? |
| 16:23.37 | RST38bis | lcuk: yes, I keep it properly macabre |
| 16:24.11 | RST38bis | does not like the autocomplete btw |
| 16:24.12 | lcuk | RST38bis, a shame |
| 16:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | a PITA |
| 16:24.28 | jonwil | ok, booted up, main camera door is closed, launched mirror |
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| 16:24.46 | jonwil | and I get a blackish screen |
| 16:24.51 | jonwil | i.e. its black but lit up |
| 16:24.52 | nidO | turn on more lights |
| 16:25.02 | jonwil | I have all the lights I can turn on turned on |
| 16:25.05 | RST38bis | lcuk: what have you expected? dandelions? =) |
| 16:25.09 | nidO | buy more lights |
| 16:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: open kbd slide, see if it changes |
| 16:25.31 | lcuk | heh |
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| 16:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | but it's already pretty clear your cable is defect |
| 16:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | front cam only is an indication of how much it is |
| 16:26.22 | jonwil | opening kbd slide doesnt help |
| 16:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | repair, ASAP |
| 16:26.46 | jonwil | definatly looks like I need to make a trip to the local Nokia Care center tommorow then |
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| 16:26.59 | lcuk | RST38bis, yes |
| 16:27.12 | jonwil | in case the faulty/loose/whatever cable becomes more faulty/loose/whatever and causes the screen itself to stop working |
| 16:27.24 | jonwil | What should I do as far as backups go before I take it to Nokia? |
| 16:27.26 | RST38bis | presents lcuk with some dandelions |
| 16:27.48 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Back up everything |
| 16:27.57 | SpeedEvil | Assume you won't get it back |
| 16:28.19 | jonwil | how do I backup? |
| 16:28.47 | SpeedEvil | Do you have contacts or calendars on the device? |
| 16:28.53 | jonwil | yes I think so |
| 16:29.22 | SpeedEvil | The 'backup' application will do that. |
| 16:29.27 | SpeedEvil | You can save to SD. |
| 16:29.50 | SpeedEvil | I don't know of a nice way to expport your contacts or calendar into some otehr form |
| 16:30.05 | alterego | RST38bis: does bis sound for biscuit? |
| 16:30.13 | alterego | sound? stand! |
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| 16:30.18 | jonwil | I want to backup all contacts and calendars in a way I can restore later as well as backing up any settings saved by other apps |
| 16:30.22 | jonwil | e.g. control panel options |
| 16:30.27 | jonwil | or e.g. stuff apps I installed saved |
| 16:31.09 | jonwil | I will use the OVI suite backup app I think |
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| 16:31.54 | jonwil | does the backup procedure backup the apps I installed via OVI downloads or via application manager (i.e. will it automatically reinstall those things) or do I need to manually re-install that stuff? |
| 16:32.13 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, no. |
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| 16:32.25 | SpeedEvil | You need to redownload them, it saves lists of what you've installed. |
| 16:32.34 | SpeedEvil | But if the repo goes away, you're screwed |
| 16:32.45 | jonwil | well I only downloaded from the device default repos |
| 16:32.47 | jonwil | i.e. extras |
| 16:32.53 | jonwil | so it should be fine |
| 16:32.55 | alterego | does nitdroid have bme/power management? |
| 16:33.35 | jonwil | hopes Nokia doesn't find some excuse to count this fault as a "non warranty fault" and charge me for it |
| 16:33.51 | jonwil | Although if its happened before, its likely that it will be in their database as a "known issue" |
| 16:34.02 | jonwil | and therefore something they cover for warranty |
| 16:34.34 | merlin1991 | jonwil, the backup app saves a list of the installed apps, and when you play the backup back in you can install them all from ham with 1 button |
| 16:34.43 | jonwil | ok, thats great |
| 16:34.51 | jonwil | what about stuff I installed from the ovi store |
| 16:34.53 | jonwil | or is that differnt? |
| 16:34.55 | jonwil | different? |
| 16:35.04 | jonwil | although the only thing I installed from ovi store was Solitare |
| 16:35.05 | jonwil | and that was free |
| 16:35.17 | alterego | gasss bawlz! |
| 16:35.30 | alterego | I like the angle meter app too |
| 16:36.10 | merlin1991 | I never installed stuff from the ovi store, so I don' know about that |
| 16:36.44 | jonwil | I think I will grab (via SFTP/SSH) a copy of anything on my device that looks possibly relavent just in case I find that something didnt backup properly and I lost my settings for some app (that way I can copy over the settings file from my dump) |
| 16:36.55 | SpeedEvil | rsync is cool! |
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| 16:37.06 | SpeedEvil | Do however remember to exclude /sys and /proc |
| 16:37.19 | jonwil | yeah I know what to exclude |
| 16:37.27 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:37.29 | SpeedEvil | So do I. |
| 16:37.31 | SpeedEvil | I just forgot. |
| 16:37.34 | alterego | and /dev and /bin |
| 16:37.44 | RST38bis | and /tmp |
| 16:37.54 | alterego | and /lib /usr/lib /usr/bin /usr/sbin /sbin ... |
| 16:37.56 | SpeedEvil | And was most worried when rsync reported lots of errors due to not being able to read files. |
| 16:37.58 | RST38bis | and probably /opt as well |
| 16:38.08 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Actually - I backed up the whole device |
| 16:38.17 | alterego | :) |
| 16:40.07 | jonwil | wonders if N900 is A genuine departure from the usual solid-as-a-rock Nokia hardware or whether all Nokia hardware is now starting to be less reliable... |
| 16:40.53 | alterego | jonwil: The N900 has been rock solid for me. |
| 16:41.03 | wmarone | same, mine's over a year old |
| 16:41.10 | jonwil | well I am referring to the reports of this screen cable issue and also the USB port problem |
| 16:41.11 | nidO | all hardware starting to be less reliable because your moving cable seems to have died? |
| 16:41.21 | alterego | Mine is a year old 14th next month |
| 16:42.05 | alterego | Well, I'm quite a heavy handed user, and I'm plugging/unplugging my device a lot more than the average |
| 16:42.10 | alterego | I have no problem. |
| 16:42.29 | jonwil | what I meant was whether these kind of problems are showing up more on the N900 than other Nokia hardware or whether they are happening to other Nokia hw (n95 e.g. |
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| 16:42.49 | nidO | well not much hardware gets screen cable problems, for obvious reasons. |
| 16:42.53 | alterego | My N95 still works |
| 16:43.12 | alterego | I think Nokia build quality is as good as it gets tbh |
| 16:43.14 | nidO | and nokia acknowledged a problem with some of the very early manufactured n900's, and sorted it |
| 16:43.16 | alterego | (in general) |
| 16:43.24 | jonwil | well my Motorola Z6 slider is rock solid |
| 16:43.27 | jonwil | and that got bashed about a lot |
| 16:43.40 | nidO | beyond that, its most likely generally overly heavy handed users breaking them and happening to have the excuse of some having weak ports in the past |
| 16:43.57 | jonwil | That was a vertical slider with a dial pad vs the qwerty slider of the N900 though |
| 16:44.45 | jonwil | plus it only had the screen and a top keypad, no front camera or touch or anything |
| 16:45.25 | SpeedEvil | An annoying hardware issue I'm having on mine is that the lock button sticky-out-blob is wearing off |
| 16:45.34 | SpeedEvil | So it's harder to unlock |
| 16:45.43 | nidO | cut your nails? :p |
| 16:46.53 | wmarone | SpeedEvil: wow, you managed to wear that off? I've at most scraped the paint off... |
| 16:47.32 | jonwil | hopes they dont take too long to fix his N900, he is using it as his only telephone and doesn't have a landline anymore |
| 16:47.59 | trip0 | they are normally pretty quick at fixing/replacing |
| 16:48.05 | trip0 | took mine less than 10 days |
| 16:48.29 | SpeedEvil | wmarone: wear off - no. |
| 16:48.42 | RST38bis | SpeedEvil: get longer nails :) |
| 16:48.47 | SpeedEvil | wmarone: wear down a bit so it's harder to catch with a nail - yes |
| 16:49.26 | jonwil | I think the best thing to do is to call up Nokia Care first thing tomorrow, tell them whats wrong (LED failing to work) and ask them about bringing it into the Nokia Care center directly |
| 16:49.30 | RST38bis | SpeedEvil: and go for the edge of the slider rather than the blob |
| 16:49.39 | SpeedEvil | RST38: yeah |
| 16:49.59 | steinex | i have a question about the mail app |
| 16:50.10 | steinex | i have a google mail account with some folders |
| 16:50.37 | jonwil | The 2 times I have had my previous phone fixed I left it with them and came back later that day and it was fixed |
| 16:50.38 | steinex | I want to use them with my N900, but i don't want to get notifications for INBOX but for three other folders |
| 16:50.41 | steinex | is this possible? |
| 16:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | Clearly we need MeeGo on the Sony NGP. |
| 16:51.32 | wmarone | clearly |
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| 16:52.26 | nidO | steinex: no, the app doesnt support local folder subscriptions. it's had a bug report open since forever |
| 16:53.12 | jonwil | One was with a Motorola Official service center (needed a software install due to accidentally sending an "erase" command to the bootloader/flasher whilst trying to develop something to read the flash from the device) and the other was with a generic repair shop because one of the buttons came off the upper kepad |
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| 16:55.05 | kodomo_ | hi folks... got two questions related to h-e-n which I find it hard to find the answer in forums due to a lot of clutter w.r.t. the N900 not supporting host mode - maybe someone around here knows the answers :) : |
| 16:56.14 | kodomo_ | 1) given a F2F adaptor, a Y-cable (e.g. as supplied with some external hard drives), and a peripheral... can the N900 charge, while the peripheral is used (assuming that I don't enable VBUS 5V)? |
| 16:56.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: *h-e-n poke* |
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| 16:57.39 | kodomo_ | 2) is there support for non-storage devices available/planned? (I'm especially thinking of a usb-to-vga adaptor - even though I presume a lot of stuff - like xrandr - is yet missing to use it even if the module operates it :) ) |
| 16:58.24 | kodomo_ | kerio: thx - you get a lot of dumb h-e-n questions these days? ;) |
| 16:58.28 | mcepl | what do you guys know about ActiveSync and merged contacts on N900? I have an issue with syncing N900 to Zarafa (http://forums.zarafa.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6037) ... is it an issue of N900? If yes, is there a bug for it? |
| 16:58.51 | SpeedEvil | kodomo_: A USB VGA adaptor has been gotten woreking. I have no other knowledge |
| 17:00.01 | kodomo_ | SpeedEvil: cool :D will keep looking for that one, then :) (good to know it's not futile, at least :P ) |
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| 17:05.55 | jonwil | are /home/opt and /opt the same thing? |
| 17:06.05 | jonwil | i.e. do they point to the same place? |
| 17:06.13 | kerio | one is bindmounted to the other |
| 17:06.13 | kerio | so yeah |
| 17:06.16 | jonwil | ok |
| 17:06.25 | jonwil | good that means I only need to back up one and not both |
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| 17:19.00 | jonwil | ok, wtf, my SD card has some files with garbage filenames that I just cant seem to delete via any means |
| 17:19.20 | jonwil | they contain characters that are most DEFINATLY not valid characters in a filename for a FAT file system |
| 17:19.45 | jonwil | ideas on how to remove the garbage? |
| 17:20.13 | jonwil | rm -rf says it a "read only file system" |
| 17:20.27 | jonwil | rm -rf in a SSH window that is |
| 17:20.36 | slonopotamus | if it says so, then it really is. |
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| 17:23.20 | kodomo_ | SpeedEvil: just in case: found it - keyword to look out for seems to be libdlo :) |
| 17:23.50 | kodomo_ | does anyone happen to know the answer to my first question? (charging with h-e-n) |
| 17:24.09 | jonwil | ok, wierd, I remounted it as read-write but it still says its a "read only filesystem" |
| 17:24.14 | jonwil | something at a lower level getting in the way? |
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| 17:26.18 | alterego | jonwil: is this an SD? |
| 17:26.25 | jonwil | microsd yes |
| 17:26.32 | jonwil | and no there is no readonly switch on the card itself |
| 17:26.34 | alterego | Has it got a read-write lock switch? |
| 17:26.38 | alterego | :) |
| 17:26.47 | alterego | No, I don't think they have them for micro sd tbh |
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| 17:27.36 | jonwil | hmmm, somehow I doubt that the date of 2085 on this file is correct |
| 17:27.52 | jonwil | I think best bet is to copy contents of SD card off, reformat SD card, copy contents back |
| 17:27.59 | ShadowJK | Usually the filesystem gets set read-only if serious errors are encountered |
| 17:28.01 | jonwil | whats the right way to reformat the SD card? |
| 17:28.40 | alterego | I'd put it into a desktop machine and use mkfs.vfat |
| 17:28.51 | alterego | Though you should be able to do it on the N900 |
| 17:29.01 | jonwil | I dont have a reader that can read SD card |
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| 17:33.07 | jonwil | hmmm, I dont know how but I just managed to remove the garbage files |
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| 17:34.54 | SpeedEvil | dosfsck |
| 17:35.32 | jonwil | well the files are gone so it should be fine now |
| 17:35.37 | jonwil | although a dosfsck may help |
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| 17:36.33 | jonwil | dosfsck finds no errors |
| 17:36.40 | alterego | I still think there's probably something very wrong with that card tbh :P |
| 17:37.56 | jonwil | I think it was garbage created by my previous phone |
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| 17:40.21 | ShadowJK | I have a card that silently corrupts itself :) |
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| 17:46.07 | jonwil | is worried about being without a phone for up to a week or more (which may be an issue if someone important tries to call me) |
| 17:47.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:47.34 | alterego | Get a cheep one from the supermarket. |
| 17:47.41 | alterego | cheeeap :) |
| 17:48.38 | alterego | It'll be fun because you wont know who's calling you :) |
| 17:48.49 | alterego | So it might be someone you don't want to talk to. |
| 17:49.03 | jonwil | Any calls I get will be calls from people I want to talk to |
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| 17:49.43 | alterego | Not if I get your number! muahaha |
| 17:50.45 | chx | really, does anyone important ever call you? |
| 17:50.51 | chx | there's email :) |
| 17:51.06 | jonwil | yes they do, I get calls from family and calls from things related to possible new jobs. |
| 17:51.44 | jonwil | and I need to make calls too, e.g. calls to family |
| 17:52.13 | jonwil | As for buying another phone, even the cheapest of the cheap is still expensive here (at least the ones that would work with my carrier and SIM) |
| 17:52.47 | nidO | doesnt your service centre have loaners available? |
| 17:53.01 | jonwil | they might, I will ask when I go |
| 17:53.07 | jonwil | they may be able to loan me a phone |
| 17:53.16 | jacekowski | anybody living in US? |
| 17:53.55 | jonwil | or they may say "come back in a few hours and we will know if the fix can be done on the spot or if it will require us to keep the phone for a few days" |
| 17:54.15 | jonwil | Then again, based on what I saw with Google, "on-the-spot-fix" is not in the Nokia Care volcabulary |
| 17:54.58 | jonwil | but yeah I will talk to them tomorrow and find out what the deal is |
| 17:55.29 | nidO | on the spot fixes dont tend to happen with any phone at any service centre |
| 17:55.46 | nidO | because they dont happen to have labs, parts, and expensive techs in high street stores |
| 17:56.11 | jonwil | well this isnt a high-street store, this seems to be an actual service center |
| 17:56.17 | nidO | on the spot fixes tend to happen for things like devices needing a reflash, if you're lucky, and not much else |
| 17:56.18 | jacekowski | thing is |
| 17:56.29 | jacekowski | that nobody will diagnose a phone in 5 minutes |
| 17:56.32 | jacekowski | by just looking at it |
| 17:56.33 | RST38h | nid0: Actually, fixes do not tend to happen at all |
| 17:56.47 | jonwil | sure, I am not expecting an instant fix |
| 17:56.57 | RST38h | nid0: Nokia's service hub will most likely replace the motherboard and send the phone back |
| 17:57.47 | jonwil | I would hope that they wont replace the motherboard for a busted LED, a busted screen cable or a loose screen cable (the likely causes of my problem) |
| 17:57.59 | jonwil | I would hope they would replace the screen cable or the screen/LED PCB |
| 17:58.05 | jonwil | and not the motherboard |
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| 17:58.53 | chx | why is it a problem for you if they replace the mb |
| 17:59.01 | alterego | chx: data |
| 17:59.13 | jonwil | its not but I dont see why Nokia would replace the motherboard if doing so is not required to fix the problem |
| 17:59.16 | chx | um you certainly back your data up before sending it away |
| 17:59.19 | alterego | If they replace the main board they replace emmc and root filesystems. |
| 17:59.32 | jonwil | why replace an expensive motherboard when a cheap screen cable is all that has to be replaced |
| 17:59.33 | alterego | chx: what if you can't :P |
| 17:59.38 | jonwil | in any case I wont be sending it away |
| 17:59.39 | alterego | jonwil: time :P |
| 17:59.44 | alterego | And they get spared :D |
| 18:00.09 | chx | alterego: surely you have daily backups. |
| 18:00.15 | jacekowski | chx: i do |
| 18:00.19 | jonwil | I will be taking it into the Nokia Care Center myself |
| 18:00.21 | chx | see |
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| 18:00.33 | nidO | chx: he does, most people dont. |
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| 18:00.55 | chx | there are two kinds of people, remember, one regurarly backs up the other not yet. |
| 18:01.26 | alterego | I'll be syncing between the two I have now. |
| 18:01.30 | alterego | Daily :) |
| 18:02.02 | nidO | amusing little cliched sayings dont alter the fact though, that most people fall into the "my phone's a phone" category, not "my phone's a data storage device that contains important data that I must frequently back...*snore*" |
| 18:02.35 | alterego | My phone usually contains my most important data tbh |
| 18:02.45 | alterego | I even backup my SVN repo to it :) |
| 18:02.51 | jacekowski | well, i have MfE sync |
| 18:02.53 | alterego | (Mainly for code on the move though) |
| 18:03.13 | jacekowski | other stuff isn't as important |
| 18:03.29 | jacekowski | all conversations are jabber conversations and are backed up on my server |
| 18:03.46 | alterego | My contacts and communications are the most important. |
| 18:03.52 | jacekowski | music is just a copy of my home hdd |
| 18:03.57 | jacekowski | movies same |
| 18:03.58 | alterego | Yeah, same. |
| 18:04.06 | jacekowski | porn is a copy of my home hdd as well |
| 18:04.12 | alterego | :) |
| 18:04.17 | alterego | NXXX |
| 18:06.19 | jonwil | yep, all the info I can find on the nokia site confirms that a "nokia care center" is definatly a repair shop and not just a shopfront. |
| 18:07.02 | nidO | it might differ from country to country I guess |
| 18:07.04 | jonwil | it says "repair center", "premium repair center" and "recycling center" for my locan one |
| 18:07.06 | jonwil | local |
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| 18:08.28 | jonwil | it may be that in some countries, Nokia have shopfronts in some cities and repair centers in others |
| 18:08.41 | RedWar | I am chatting with you all from my N900! Hello all! I have a question, only have 2.5G, with my carrier, any way to optimize my web to reduce lags? |
| 18:08.44 | jonwil | and if you bring it into the shopfront, it gets sent to the nearest care center |
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| 18:09.25 | SpeedEvil | RedWar: Turn off images is the obvious one. |
| 18:09.41 | piggz | woo, my n900 is back from repair ! :) |
| 18:09.48 | jonwil | how long did yours take? |
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| 18:09.53 | jonwil | and what was your fault? |
| 18:10.09 | piggz | 2 weeks exactly |
| 18:10.23 | chx | RedWar: Opera Mobile? |
| 18:10.40 | SpeedEvil | Oh yeah - that too |
| 18:10.45 | MrBawb | yeah, maybe opera mobile with turbo turned on |
| 18:10.46 | RedWar | no usimg stock browser chx |
| 18:10.47 | piggz | the fault was it was panicing all the time....greatest uptime was 3 days...they say they replaced the board so must have been dire |
| 18:10.59 | chx | RedWar: I mean, Opera Mobile would save you tons o' bandwidth |
| 18:11.07 | nidO | RedWar: hes suggesting using opera instead of microb |
| 18:11.30 | SpeedEvil | Also - if you're clueful - ssh/socks proxy to your server, and setup microb to use the proxy |
| 18:11.59 | RedWar | Is that in Ovi store? |
| 18:12.15 | RedWar | operav |
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| 18:13.03 | MrBawb | RedWar: http://www.opera.com/mobile/ |
| 18:13.07 | chx | try m.opera.com from your mobile |
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| 18:13.33 | RedWar | SpeedEvil is there wiki on that? |
| 18:14.33 | SpeedEvil | RedWar: not as far as I'm aware |
| 18:14.54 | RedWar | thanks MrBawb chx nid0 |
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| 18:15.14 | RedWar | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 18:15.17 | Crak | hi |
| 18:15.28 | chx | the opera.install file, just shortened for you is http://3.ly/umzQ |
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| 18:17.13 | Crak | I have a problem with my n900, whenever I touch the screen it goes blank, I have to lock it and open the lid for it to show again |
| 18:17.23 | Crak | any known issue regarding that behavior? |
| 18:17.51 | SpeedEvil | Shaking it will also sometimes make the screen go blank? |
| 18:18.00 | SpeedEvil | Or moving the slide? |
| 18:18.19 | Crak | no, shaking doesnt |
| 18:19.31 | SpeedEvil | Hmm |
| 18:19.45 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't quite sound like a cable fault. |
| 18:20.01 | Crak | no, I believe its software related |
| 18:20.22 | Crak | but I didnt install anything before it happened |
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| 18:23.36 | alterego | Crak: so what makes you think it's software? You can reflash and test I guess, but that seems like a bit of a stab in the dark to me :P |
| 18:24.48 | Crak | that the screen works whenever I dont touch it |
| 18:25.42 | alterego | Well, reflash and test :) |
| 18:27.41 | Crak | not even the display applet for maintaining the display lit works |
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| 18:40.09 | toadphone | Hey ppl, all my app repositories seem to have deleted themselves somehow. Could someone possibly give me the repository details? |
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| 18:42.05 | RST38h | Suicide Bomber Blown Up by Happy New Year Text ! |
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| 18:44.29 | hallyn | !rules |
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| 18:45.50 | hallyn | hm, well i'll ask and risk channel ire. FOr the last few days, every time i have an incoming call, phone refuses after that to be on network (phone or 3g - calls give me a series of 'can't connect' tones). I don't even know where to go with this. |
| 18:46.24 | RST38h | probably to your carrier |
| 18:46.41 | RST38h | does it always happen in the same geographic location? |
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| 18:48.03 | hallyn | RST38h: hm, I think not, but am not sure |
| 18:48.21 | hallyn | RST38h: ok, i can hop over to t-mobile, just figured it was more likely a hardware problem (and i bought the phone from dell) |
| 18:48.37 | al_0 | Hi folks, just a quick question. In your experience is it difficult to port a maemo software to a desktop distro like fedora or ubuntu? I'm asking this because I'm interested in a cool piece of python sw, www2sms, but it depends on something like pymaemo-optify |
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| 18:49.13 | hallyn | RST38h: thx |
| 18:49.32 | RST38h | Well, it is not Dell's problem |
| 18:49.37 | mikhas | al_0, pymaemo-optify is just for maemo debianization |
| 18:49.45 | mikhas | so should be easy to get rid of that dep |
| 18:50.07 | RST38h | Based on what you describe, it is unlikely to be Nokia's problem (the behaviour is too specific, hw does not break this specifically) |
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| 18:50.47 | RST38h | But it does sound consistent with your cell services provider screwing up, *especially* if it always occurs at the same location |
| 18:50.51 | al_0 | mikhas: perfect :) |
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| 18:52.01 | tycho | Hi, I have a problem on my Maemo 5 nokia... |
| 18:52.27 | RST38h | wonders if all these folks consider #maemo a free service center of sorts |
| 18:52.34 | RST38h | Meanwhile: "Utah's Dugway Proving Ground where the Army tests biological weapon defense systems is on lockdown and no one can leave" |
| 18:52.35 | tycho | I get a ovi store notice that i need to accept their terms at startup, and they keep on sending me sms from nokia |
| 18:53.06 | tycho | I dont get the flasher working on my xp x64 |
| 18:53.21 | tycho | And no conversations is saved |
| 18:53.58 | tycho | when I do rm -rf .rtcom-eventlogger , it says incorrect file handler |
| 18:54.02 | RST38h | tycho: You can type "maemo flasher x64" into google and the first link in the list will provide you with the best available information on how to deal with x64 |
| 18:54.07 | tycho | Well |
| 18:54.09 | tycho | I did you fuck |
| 18:54.12 | tycho | What is your problem |
| 18:54.25 | RST38h | So, was that ONE problem you described, or many problems? |
| 18:54.58 | tycho | They are all problems that are probably connected |
| 18:55.09 | tycho | Except the x64 one |
| 18:55.49 | Funnyface | does the OEM N900 charger have the D+ and D- pins shorted? |
| 18:55.49 | RST38h | Ok. Multiple problems. Mistook IRC channel for a service center. Got it. |
| 18:56.01 | tycho | Fuck off |
| 18:56.08 | tycho | You aint helping shit |
| 18:56.18 | tycho | So just go and shove a dick down your throat |
| 18:56.28 | Funnyface | I wish I could do that |
| 18:56.44 | RST38h | Spews uncreative prophanities too. |
| 18:57.01 | merlin1991 | Funnyface, I think it even has a resistor according to the usb spec |
| 18:57.02 | tycho | I am impressed over your use of the english language |
| 18:57.44 | tycho | Fucking idiot, acting like you have some kind of status in a irc chat room? Go fuck yourself |
| 18:57.57 | ShadowJK | the usb spec is worded as "maximum 150 ohm", iirc |
| 18:58.01 | Funnyface | alright, well I got some emergency charger that charges too slow because the N900 won't pull more than 100mA, so was thinking of modifying a cable to let it charge faster |
| 18:58.04 | tycho | You apparently dont know anything about unix or n900 so go and do something else bitch? Ignored. |
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| 18:58.24 | RST38h | lost whatever intentions of helping he initially had |
| 18:58.37 | merlin1991 | I read on tmo/irc, I dunno anymore that it's enough when you just shorten the d+ and d- |
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| 18:58.49 | trumee | tycho: never seen you around but RST38h does help people here |
| 18:59.06 | trumee | tycho: there is a thread on tmo about x64 |
| 18:59.11 | ShadowJK | it's enough, I shorted d+/d- on my tekkeon and it works |
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| 18:59.24 | tycho | trumee : Alright ill look it up |
| 18:59.37 | Funnyface | well when people use the "bitch" word in an insult they are usually just immature kids that have watched a bit too much american TV series. |
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| 19:00.02 | tycho | Well, that thread is for win 7 x64 |
| 19:00.05 | Funnyface | thanks for the info, will try sticking a 150 ohm resistor across the pins then |
| 19:00.08 | tycho | I use Win xp X64 |
| 19:00.08 | al_0 | "Gelato? Milk and eggs, bitch" |
| 19:00.30 | tycho | Funnyface : People that remark on peoples use of words are fucking idiots |
| 19:01.01 | tycho | But sure, you seem like the mature one |
| 19:01.05 | tycho | Definately |
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| 19:01.21 | al_0 | Definitely |
| 19:02.08 | ShadowJK | al_0, damn you, it was hard to resist typing that myself |
| 19:02.25 | al_0 | ShadowJK: ;) |
| 19:02.31 | Funnyface | <tycho>I am impressed over your use of the english language |
| 19:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | kodomo_: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
| 19:02.41 | Funnyface | so that makes you an idiot then ;) |
| 19:03.59 | tycho | Ok so I managed to get ovi suite working after installing wmp 11 |
| 19:04.45 | tycho | The only linux computer I got is a ppc running debian |
| 19:04.51 | merlin1991 | Funnyface, I'd just shorten d+ and d+ without any resistor, that's proven to work |
| 19:04.54 | tycho | Is it possible to flash a device with it |
| 19:04.59 | merlin1991 | s/d+/d-/ |
| 19:05.01 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: do i need anything else to patch up stock kernel other than usbhostmode.diff for h-e-n? |
| 19:05.34 | al_0 | the last time I tried ovi suite it didn't even export sms in csv, while nokia suite did... I hope they fixed that |
| 19:05.40 | merlin1991 | tycho http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux |
| 19:06.04 | Funnyface | alright, but I can just use a resistor since I have lots of them. means that plugging it into a USB port on a PC won't necessarily kill the bus |
| 19:06.20 | tycho | merlin1991: It only supports 32 bits debian |
| 19:06.30 | tycho | Is a 32 bit os the same as a ppc one |
| 19:06.45 | merlin1991 | ah sry missed the ppc part |
| 19:07.15 | tycho | Do you think it will work |
| 19:07.24 | tycho | Maybe it is supported |
| 19:07.38 | derf | RST38h: mo00000000000000000ooooooo0o0o0o. |
| 19:09.00 | Funnyface | don't help him, he's just trolling about ^^ |
| 19:09.17 | chx | Funnyface: the USB port is extensively protected against shorts AFAIK |
| 19:10.09 | chx | Funnyface: certain USB variants are not THAT hard to plug in backwards and when that came to light , everyone rushed in short protections to the best my knowledge (i tink it was the 4 pin mini) |
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| 19:11.26 | SpeedEvil | The spec has always said you can short any pin to any pin I think. |
| 19:11.43 | chx | SpeedEvil: really? |
| 19:11.50 | chx | SpeedEvil: that's a better explanation :D |
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| 19:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | tycho: you're 5sec from getting kickbanned for insulting people |
| 19:14.22 | firestorm| | any one had a fault with phone the micro usb beinvg very lose and not charging properly? |
| 19:15.20 | SpeedEvil | firestorm|: yes. (though not me) |
| 19:15.27 | SpeedEvil | It then falls out. |
| 19:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: sorry, no idea. Ask MohammadAG |
| 19:15.41 | firestorm| | SpeedEvil send it back? |
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| 19:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: shorting D+/- is sufficient |
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| 19:16.05 | RST38h | moo lardman |
| 19:16.10 | SpeedEvil | firestorm|: Did you buy it new? It should be repairable. |
| 19:16.25 | RST38h | heya, derf |
| 19:16.27 | firestorm| | yer it is but not insured any more |
| 19:16.50 | firestorm| | cause they are wankers, excuse my bad lanauage |
| 19:16.52 | SpeedEvil | firestorm|: where are you? |
| 19:16.52 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 19:17.29 | derf | What's shakin'. |
| 19:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | chx: yes, USB is short immune |
| 19:17.32 | firestorm| | uk |
| 19:17.44 | tycho | DocScrutinizer: Ok. I just get mad when people talk to me in a insulting manner. |
| 19:17.47 | firestorm| | was fine yesturday now it's crap |
| 19:17.50 | trumee | MohammadAG, is hostmode.diff the only patch required for h-e-n? |
| 19:17.51 | firestorm| | doing my nut in |
| 19:17.58 | RST38h | derf: not much, considering replacements for n900 |
| 19:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | tycho: you started insulting manner |
| 19:18.28 | RST38h | derf: Android NDK is...mhm....limiting. |
| 19:18.33 | derf | Work got me a Droid 2 for development. |
| 19:18.37 | derf | I am... not impressed. |
| 19:18.41 | tycho | I asked a simple question, that other guy replied in a derigatory way |
| 19:18.54 | RST38h | Yes, feels like PalmOS all over again |
| 19:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | tycho: reread |
| 19:19.44 | lardman | derf: port Meego? |
| 19:19.48 | lardman | to the Droid 2 |
| 19:19.55 | derf | lardman: Sounds like a lot of work. |
| 19:19.56 | tycho | Sorry I cant, I dont log conversations |
| 19:20.15 | RST38h | derf: Will probably wait until summer, then get Dell Streak, unless the miracle happens and Nokia manages to release their next device |
| 19:20.21 | firestorm| | what does it mean if light is just on orange? |
| 19:20.30 | firestorm| | sloid |
| 19:20.33 | firestorm| | solid* |
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| 19:20.46 | RST38h | lardman: AFAIK, not easy, as Droid2 has protected boot loader |
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| 19:21.14 | tycho | I dont get this |
| 19:21.17 | RST38h | lardman: + Meego is useless for day to day operation |
| 19:21.33 | tycho | Halfway through it stops reinstalling |
| 19:21.37 | derf | I had to find a freaking webpage to tell me a random sequence of unmarked places to tap on the screen just to get past the initial welcome screen without activating Verizon service. |
| 19:21.41 | derf | It went downhill from there. |
| 19:22.10 | RST38h | derf: Fun! |
| 19:22.11 | tycho | Is there a way some sudo or access thing can destroy the n900 file ssystem |
| 19:22.45 | lardman | RST38h: well yeah to all the above, but I hope that once I've got Meego working vaguely usefully on the Tab, it will be useful too |
| 19:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | tycho: anyway you've been warned. If I had been alert realtime, you were already banned. Please do not call names on others in this chan |
| 19:22.59 | lardman | protected bootloader is a problem though |
| 19:23.14 | RST38h | lardman: yea, but in a phone, it should at least do phone calls, internet, and battery management |
| 19:23.32 | tycho | DocScrutinizer Ok |
| 19:23.32 | lardman | derf: the whole Android development scene is nasty, random downloads from rapidshare, bits of info here and there, old wives tales, etc |
| 19:23.33 | RST38h | lardman: and then you will probably need apps, too |
| 19:23.47 | lardman | RST38h: hey don't get me depressed! |
| 19:23.49 | lardman | :) |
| 19:23.57 | RST38h | is good at this |
| 19:23.58 | ShadowJK | tycho, there are numerous ways to ruin the filesystem, and it's easier with sudo/root :) |
| 19:23.58 | derf | lardman: Yes, it's as if Maemo had TMO, and nothing else. |
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| 19:24.15 | lardman | derf: TMO with only posts from the past 3 months at that |
| 19:24.22 | tycho | ShadowJK: Yes... I have experienced that on other linux boxes |
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| 19:24.53 | tycho | Windows gives me headaches |
| 19:25.08 | lardman | why? |
| 19:25.26 | lardman | finds the look of Windows is still vastly preferable to Gnome |
| 19:25.33 | Mousey | don't use it! |
| 19:25.48 | RST38h | likes gnome. Nothing wrong with it. |
| 19:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | btw, on a sidenote: /topic has a link to chanlog |
| 19:25.57 | tycho | I use programs that need to use windows |
| 19:26.00 | Mousey | finds the flexibility of gnome and kde vastly preferable to windows |
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| 19:26.16 | tycho | And wine dont work well with them |
| 19:26.33 | lardman | no I agree, though not being able to copy the current path in the file browser is crappy, but for some reason it all just looks soft and wishy-washy, not clean and crisp |
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| 19:26.47 | jonwil | Android "dev" scene is all about taking bits from one phone, mixing it with bits from another phone and producing a so-called "custom ROM" (that probably violates the copyright of who knows how many developers) for people to flash onto their devices |
| 19:26.54 | RST38h | lardman: Midnight Commander =) |
| 19:27.06 | lardman | yeah but really the in-built one should just work |
| 19:27.14 | lardman | also the lack of "open term here" |
| 19:27.36 | steinex | does Meegos mail application support watching other Folders than INBOX? |
| 19:27.39 | RST38h | lardman: the in-built one was originally based on the same mc, but perverted to the point of unusability |
| 19:28.30 | tycho | Basically my problem is 1. A nokia ovi store notice pops up everytime i start the phone , 2. no conversations are saved and I think the eventlogger folder might be corrupted because whe ni try rm -f it just says nfs handle error |
| 19:28.31 | ShadowJK | I have my mail sorted into about 20 folders by the mail server. I access my mail through imap. Folders show up on n900 |
| 19:28.47 | derf | lardman: I don't use a file browser at all. |
| 19:28.49 | tycho | 3. my nokia keeps sending me sms saying welcome back to ovi store |
| 19:28.57 | derf | And I don't miss it. |
| 19:29.00 | steinex | ShadowJK: folders show up, yeah, but i cant subscribe folders |
| 19:29.01 | ShadowJK | tycho, nfs handler error doubles as generic "your filesystem is fubar" message :-) |
| 19:29.12 | tycho | Shit |
| 19:29.17 | steinex | ShadowJK: i want to use my n900 as a nagios-mail-alert-handy |
| 19:29.19 | tycho | fubar as in |
| 19:29.23 | tycho | I need to buy a new one? |
| 19:29.33 | steinex | and i don't want to clutter my inbox with nagiosmails... |
| 19:29.37 | tycho | Or just , format ? |
| 19:29.45 | ShadowJK | filesystem, not hardware, so just format |
| 19:30.12 | tycho | ovi suite wont let me reinstall the firmware |
| 19:30.19 | tycho | Or do I have to flash it? |
| 19:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | tycho: nokia store msg is cherry, see wiki about cherry and MyNokia/NotMyNokia |
| 19:30.38 | Funnyface | now to figure out which wire goes where.. |
| 19:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | tycho: NFS errors are usually indication of a completely wrecked FS. reflash, it's proabably the only thing you can do |
| 19:31.22 | ShadowJK | Yeah, you'd have to flash both the "fiasco" and emmc images. It'd wipe everything and start from scratch, so I'd copy music and such off of it first. |
| 19:31.27 | tycho | Ok |
| 19:31.52 | tycho | Do you think it is possible to use a ubuntu livecd and run it as live and do it ? |
| 19:32.02 | ShadowJK | yep |
| 19:32.08 | lardman | derf: I quite like drag and drop and the ease of seeing all the files in a dir in date order without needing to continually type ls -rtl |
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| 19:32.33 | tycho | Alright I will try it, nothing seems to work in Windows XP X64, it just keep saying it cant find my USB |
| 19:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: white and green are the both D lines |
| 19:32.47 | lardman | what I really miss is my 3rd monitor, it's not willing to work with Ubuntu, but with Win7 all is fine - multi-head is something that Linux still doesn't do well |
| 19:33.03 | derf | Do you have more than one graphics card? |
| 19:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: red is plus, black is GND |
| 19:33.27 | ShadowJK | Well, getting n900 into flashing mode seems pretty challenging for many |
| 19:33.28 | lardman | yes and one's nVidia and one's ATi |
| 19:33.30 | RST38h | lardman: you can probably run a second X11 on it =) |
| 19:33.43 | lardman | RST38h: that's a pita though |
| 19:33.49 | tycho | ShadowJK: Its probably easy on linux |
| 19:33.49 | derf | Hmm, I thought win7 didn't support multiple cards from different vendors. |
| 19:33.58 | lardman | no actually the problem with this monitor is that Linux won't detect it |
| 19:34.00 | tycho | But here, the drivers just fucks it all up |
| 19:34.01 | derf | But in any case, yes, that's because the X server gutted xinerama. |
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| 19:34.16 | RST38h | lardman: not really, although it will add complexity to your life |
| 19:34.24 | lardman | derf: Win7 and indeed XP have always been happy to do that |
| 19:34.30 | ShadowJK | goes sleep |
| 19:34.32 | lardman | RST38h: not being able to move windows is a pita in my world ;) |
| 19:34.37 | tycho | ShadowJK: thx for the help |
| 19:34.40 | derf | lardman: No, I mean I had someone tell me just yesterday that they stopped. |
| 19:35.15 | Funnyface | DocScrutinizer: alright, thanks :> |
| 19:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 19:35.51 | derf | "Someone" being David Airlie. |
| 19:35.55 | lardman | derf: no idea, but I've never had any problems and have been running with mixed cards for the past 5 years or so, XP and now 7 |
| 19:36.04 | Funnyface | I just hope the wires will be insulated with plastic, and that they don't use a bunch of mixed strands of magnet wire.. |
| 19:36.09 | Funnyface | like they do in some ear plugs |
| 19:36.16 | derf | lardman: Well, learn something every day. |
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| 19:37.06 | lardman | I guess part of the Linux problem is that one only has a single version of gles installed at a time, which means one set of monitors can be accelerated, and also causes hassle when updating drivers |
| 19:37.07 | RST38h | lardman: maybe we are in for a surprise. a few more hotfixes and.... |
| 19:37.14 | lardman | at least that's my interpretation |
| 19:37.39 | lardman | RST38h: as long as they change the highlighting of the active window so I can see it's active, that drives me mad with Win7 |
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| 19:38.12 | lardman | goes to grab some supper, bbiab |
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| 19:38.49 | RST38h | lardman: turn off the evil air thing, then configure the colors |
| 19:39.05 | RST38h | that won't do much about the ugly thick window borders though |
| 19:40.26 | nox- | moin |
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| 19:42.51 | Funnyface | ok, my lucky day, it's one one of those pain in the ass cables :> |
| 19:43.01 | Funnyface | not one* |
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| 20:01.19 | johnsq | Hi |
| 20:02.21 | alterego | Aloha |
| 20:02.33 | jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/ICD_Policy_Plugins |
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| 20:09.23 | RST38h | heya javispedro |
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| 20:10.11 | javispedro | hi |
| 20:10.15 | ironchew | Yo. |
| 20:10.42 | ironchew | Not sure if this is the right channel for help... |
| 20:10.52 | ironchew | I have a problem with the N900's application manager. |
| 20:11.03 | RST38h | promptly hits his head at the wall |
| 20:11.51 | ironchew | I tried adding the extras-devel repo and now it doesn't display any repositories at all. |
| 20:11.57 | javispedro | ponders why x-chat suddenly went to white font over white bakcground for no discernible reason =) |
| 20:12.24 | RST38h | javispedro: that was ironchew adding extras-devel repo. |
| 20:12.53 | javispedro | possibly, |
| 20:13.02 | javispedro | or me destroying gconf |
| 20:13.05 | javispedro | ok,fixed. |
| 20:13.06 | ironchew | In the log I keep on getting various iterations of "apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: PROGRAM" |
| 20:13.17 | RST38h | umgh |
| 20:13.39 | ironchew | I would normally try and fix the apt files myself, but I don't have a way to get root permissions. |
| 20:13.44 | ironchew | So I'm in a bit of a pickle, I guess. |
| 20:13.55 | steinex | so my n900 just got a use back :) |
| 20:13.58 | RST38h | Ok. Logical first steps: |
| 20:14.06 | steinex | or better, a value... |
| 20:14.18 | RST38h | 1. Download "root" utility .deb package from the extras manually, copy it to the device |
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| 20:14.42 | RST38h | 2. unpack to ~, run "root" |
| 20:14.58 | RST38h | 3. you have got root privileges now |
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| 20:15.05 | ironchew | Ah ha. |
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| 20:15.35 | RST38h | Do keep in mind that HAM and apt store their sources data in different locations |
| 20:16.07 | RST38h | And you can actually look at this data even now, to see what went wrong, as the files are readable by all |
| 20:16.53 | javispedro | soltys, anything newsworthy? |
| 20:18.05 | javispedro | has been reading stskeeps' "ntfs paranoia" thread, but still has popcorn to spare |
| 20:18.35 | RST38h | javispedro: url? |
| 20:18.50 | javispedro | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-pm/2011-January/000032.html |
| 20:19.22 | javispedro | (thanks to mwkn) |
| 20:19.30 | RST38h | OMG, what is Stskeeps doing? |
| 20:19.50 | RST38h | Is he spreading this memetic hazard on purpose ? =) |
| 20:20.46 | RST38h | Especially considering that the realy reason for dropping NTFS is *most likely* the boot time decrease? |
| 20:21.00 | ironchew | I see "rootsh" in /extras/pool/fremantle/r/ |
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| 20:21.06 | javispedro | boot time decrease? |
| 20:21.06 | ironchew | Should I use that? |
| 20:21.10 | RST38h | rootsh will do |
| 20:21.31 | javispedro | meego is already modular, afaik. |
| 20:21.42 | RST38h | javispedro: During your desktop unix boot time, see how much time NTFS initialization takes |
| 20:21.57 | RST38h | javispedro: You may be surprised |
| 20:22.22 | javispedro | mount time? I do not think the proposal is about having root on ntfs or the like |
| 20:22.37 | RST38h | javispedro: No, no, just initializing the core part of ntfs |
| 20:22.45 | javispedro | but about shipping the ufully user space ntfs3g |
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| 20:23.04 | RST38h | javispedro: dunno about ntfs3g |
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| 20:23.42 | javispedro | imo they have a point about patents (stskeeps has also another one with vfat) |
| 20:23.54 | RST38h | But anyways, nothing prevents you from adding it on top |
| 20:24.01 | ironchew | I have root! Woo-hoo! |
| 20:24.05 | javispedro | but I think they just se ntfs3g as sucky |
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| 20:24.16 | ironchew | I'll see if I can figure it out from here. Thanks. |
| 20:24.20 | RST38h | javispedro: I think Stskeeps is trolling the lemmings, in the most artful way |
| 20:24.45 | lbt | RST38h: where? sounds fun :) |
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| 20:26.01 | javispedro | scroll a bit for the linkiewhen even stskeeps trolls th see |
| 20:26.18 | javispedro | bah |
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| 20:39.51 | al_0 | NTFS under linux is complete shit, cpu at 25%-50% on a pentium 4. |
| 20:40.25 | al_0 | on a moderate throughput, even read only |
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| 20:44.42 | GNUtoo|laptop | al_0, nfs3g? |
| 20:44.47 | al_0 | yep |
| 20:44.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | a recent one? |
| 20:44.57 | al_0 | yep |
| 20:45.01 | GNUtoo|laptop | because very old version are less performant |
| 20:45.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | is it better under windows? |
| 20:45.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | with the pentium 4? |
| 20:45.18 | al_0 | yes, it is |
| 20:45.31 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok, so maybe bugreport to the ntfs3g devellopers |
| 20:45.47 | al_0 | I thought it was a known issue |
| 20:45.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | I've no idea |
| 20:45.53 | al_0 | I mean, the high cpu usage |
| 20:46.04 | GNUtoo|laptop | findout if it's a known issue |
| 20:47.28 | al_0 | I think I will just keep complaining :P |
| 20:48.43 | al_0 | no, seriously, from what I've read the router linux distros don't reccomend NTFS |
| 20:49.17 | al_0 | *recommend |
| 20:49.33 | al_0 | for its high cpu usage |
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| 20:51.34 | Venemo | hey guys |
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| 20:57.40 | luke-jr | al_0: NTFS is complete $#|+ either way, and shouldn't be recommended even if it were fast. |
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| 21:01.25 | al_0 | :P |
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| 21:06.12 | Venemo | NTFS is properitary crap and the way it works under linux is completely based on reverse engineering AFAIK -> no wonder it is not recommended |
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| 21:07.18 | kerio | ntfs-3g is stable! |
| 21:07.50 | al_0 | stable yes, good... not so much |
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| 21:08.29 | Venemo | kerio: it works for me too :P |
| 21:08.34 | kerio | hehe |
| 21:10.05 | Venemo | yeah |
| 21:11.42 | lardman | re |
| 21:12.11 | Venemo | hey |
| 21:12.27 | lardman | RST38h: re Aero - need to keep my graphics card in shape between invocations of CUDA calculations ;) |
| 21:12.37 | lardman | hi Venemo |
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| 21:15.51 | alterego | There's something very sexy about an N900 booting up with kernel messages and that little penguin |
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| 21:17.11 | Venemo | alterego: there's something very sexy about my gf undressing - there is nothing sexy about the kernel messages. |
| 21:17.17 | realsportcars | hi all |
| 21:17.18 | Venemo | alterego: :P |
| 21:17.22 | Venemo | hi realsportcars |
| 21:17.42 | realsportcars | I need a QTextEdit guru :P |
| 21:17.42 | BCMM | alterego: how do you make it do that? |
| 21:18.40 | alterego | BCMM: running MeeGo |
| 21:18.49 | BCMM | no way in maemo? |
| 21:19.18 | Venemo | brb |
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| 21:20.18 | Venemo | hey again |
| 21:20.24 | realsportcars | wb |
| 21:20.36 | Venemo | realsportcars: so what about QTextEdit? |
| 21:21.03 | realsportcars | I need to display the cursor also if readonly is true |
| 21:21.40 | realsportcars | when you set that property cursor is not displayed but I need it... |
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| 21:22.19 | Venemo | realsportcars: hm. |
| 21:22.27 | realsportcars | (for fastsmsevo, if you know) |
| 21:22.42 | Venemo | realsportcars: the only thing I can recommend is a hack around this. |
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| 21:23.12 | realsportcars | it is good (I think)...how? |
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| 21:24.37 | Venemo | realsportcars: make the thing not readonly. and on text change, restore the original text. |
| 21:25.14 | realsportcars | uhm...do you know fastsmsevo? |
| 21:25.23 | Venemo | realsportcars: no |
| 21:25.30 | Venemo | realsportcars: what's that? |
| 21:25.46 | realsportcars | ok...this is a virtual kb replacement on N900 |
| 21:26.07 | Venemo | realsportcars: and? |
| 21:26.10 | realsportcars | with autorotation, t9, qwerty ecc |
| 21:26.24 | realsportcars | the problem is that: |
| 21:26.30 | Venemo | realsportcars: sounds okay! |
| 21:26.54 | realsportcars | if the field is read-only "commited" text will go to "client" app |
| 21:27.15 | realsportcars | if not, the text is commited sometimes yes and sometimes not |
| 21:27.28 | Venemo | interesting |
| 21:28.05 | Venemo | realsportcars: if it has any support for non-Latin1 characters (öüóÅúéáűÃ), I'll gladly test and help with it |
| 21:28.37 | realsportcars | yes...in querty there are different sets of characters... |
| 21:28.58 | realsportcars | I don't know what exactly you need :) |
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| 21:29.33 | Venemo | realsportcars: I need öüóÅúéáűà characters. (Hungarian) |
| 21:30.40 | realsportcars | wait....I'm checking |
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| 21:32.24 | realsportcars | not all those characters are presents |
| 21:32.41 | realsportcars | missing 4th and 8th |
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| 21:41.29 | Venemo | realsportcars: can I customize it? |
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| 21:42.05 | realsportcars | not yet...but i'm planning to add this feature |
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| 21:52.50 | eichi | mappero is much better then ovi maps. would be good, if navit could automatically download vector map parts, that would be fine |
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| 21:58.14 | lardman | eichi: that would be a reasonably easy enhancement from what I remember |
| 21:58.32 | lardman | though which are you favouring, mappero or Navit>? |
| 21:59.50 | eichi | i only tried navit on n800, will install it on n900 now. i like the user interface of mappero, but tiles are not very nice. and i dont like google much. also google routing |
| 22:00.26 | merlin1991 | eichi on mappero you can select the backend for tiles and routing |
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| 22:01.06 | eichi | yeah, use osm maps allready. but i dont know the other routing engines. is there some, using osm data? |
| 22:01.28 | eichi | i like the openrouteservice.org routing on webpage |
| 22:01.32 | eichi | should have a api |
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| 22:04.21 | merlin1991 | http://www.christeck.de/wp/products/routino-frontend/ for routes using osm data |
| 22:04.44 | tycho | I just flashed my n900 to a different firmware but ovi store keeps giving me a message everytime I boot it up |
| 22:05.38 | eichi | merlin1991: looks good, thanks |
| 22:08.19 | tycho | Does anyone know what can be the problem ? It also says "cannot find terms" when i open the the terms window |
| 22:08.41 | tycho | I completely flashed the whole device so I dont really know what to do |
| 22:08.42 | eichi | tycho: which "different firmware"? |
| 22:09.19 | lardman | hmm, autofocus seems to have broken in mbarcode |
| 22:10.09 | tycho | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM |
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| 22:10.42 | ThreeM | ? |
| 22:11.07 | tycho | sudo ./flasher 3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM -f -R is the command i wrote in xterm |
| 22:11.28 | tycho | on my comp |
| 22:12.14 | ThreeM | you only flashed firmware not rootfs |
| 22:12.37 | ThreeM | flash rootfs (without parameter -r) then firmware |
| 22:12.46 | tycho | Sending and flashing rootfs image (185728 kB)... |
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| 22:13.11 | ThreeM | i hope you dont have used the -R |
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| 22:14.07 | tycho | sorry |
| 22:14.15 | tycho | sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R <<< This is what I wrote |
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| 22:14.53 | tycho | It still shows that damn ovi "Thank you for choosing nokia" blabla everytime I boot it up |
| 22:15.16 | tycho | And all my apps are gone so it seems to have flashed correctly? |
| 22:15.22 | ThreeM | on the N900 there are 2 files to flash |
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| 22:16.15 | ThreeM | the emmc (something with vanilla in namen) and the firmware both |
| 22:16.37 | ThreeM | both have to flashed to reset the device completly |
| 22:17.00 | ThreeM | search on maemo.org to get instructions how to do it |
| 22:17.11 | tycho | Ive read it |
| 22:17.16 | tycho | 20 times |
| 22:17.46 | tycho | So I flash that one first, and the emmc one later |
| 22:17.56 | ThreeM | ahh ok |
| 22:18.20 | ThreeM | so then i have no idea why the device behavior like this |
| 22:19.00 | tycho | sudo flasher-3.5 -F "vanilla emc firmware" -f -R <<< Is that correct? |
| 22:20.53 | ThreeM | looks like yes. but please remove -R parameter. flash emc, then straigt firmware with -R so the device reboots |
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| 22:22.17 | tycho | Alright, I did like you said now |
| 22:22.25 | tycho | without -R on the emmc |
| 22:22.55 | tycho | and then I should do the same with the PR one? |
| 22:23.02 | ThreeM | yes |
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| 22:23.22 | tycho | should the PR one contain -f -R ThreeM ? |
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| 22:23.31 | ThreeM | yes |
| 22:25.18 | tycho | IT accidently booted up after i did the first firmware but I took out the battery before it left the white nokia screen |
| 22:25.22 | tycho | Lets see what happens now |
| 22:30.31 | tycho | ThreeM: Thank you so much!!!! |
| 22:30.35 | tycho | It worked |
| 22:30.43 | tycho | I love you |
| 22:30.45 | tycho | Not really |
| 22:30.50 | tycho | But thanks alot |
| 22:30.57 | tycho | I really mean it |
| 22:31.00 | ThreeM | my first maemo help |
| 22:31.13 | ThreeM | no problem i like to help |
| 22:31.29 | tycho | I have tried to get this shit to work the whole day had to reinstall my whole computer into xubuntu to get it to work |
| 22:31.44 | lardman | My new N900 keeps saying funny things like "Insufficient power, not charging" is that normal? |
| 22:31.59 | alterego | lardman: I get that all the time. |
| 22:32.02 | tycho | maybe it has something to do with thevoltage |
| 22:32.05 | tycho | ? |
| 22:32.07 | alterego | Via USB from a computer right? |
| 22:32.14 | lardman | alterego: and it umounts my mass-storage stuff |
| 22:32.17 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:32.25 | lardman | I never used to get that with the old one |
| 22:32.25 | alterego | lardman: what are you doing with it? |
| 22:32.27 | alterego | Copy files? |
| 22:32.31 | alterego | ~copying ? |
| 22:32.32 | lardman | trying to |
| 22:32.33 | tycho | I get that message when I go into pc suite mode |
| 22:32.35 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 22:32.41 | tycho | Sometimes |
| 22:32.43 | ThreeM | i get this when im running my notebook from battery |
| 22:33.02 | alterego | I get that message when I'm running some CPU intensive app whilst it's charging and tethered. |
| 22:33.12 | MohammadAG | waves |
| 22:33.13 | lardman | [12221.471797] usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 |
| 22:33.13 | lardman | [12226.612665] usb 2-2: can't set config #1, error -110 |
| 22:33.17 | alterego | Yeah, Don't worry about it. |
| 22:33.25 | alterego | Actually, that should stop it unmounting. |
| 22:33.29 | alterego | Maybe dodgy cable. |
| 22:33.29 | MohammadAG | holidays, the only time I get distracted from IRC :p |
| 22:33.52 | tycho | you spend the weekdays on irc? |
| 22:34.35 | alterego | HE spends every day on IRC |
| 22:34.54 | ThreeM | its 23:34 and im hanging on irc |
| 22:35.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, stfu, you're here till 5AM |
| 22:35.35 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:35.40 | lardman | hmm, looks like it's hung |
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| 22:36.18 | lardman | pulls battery |
| 22:38.17 | alterego | lardman: heavy IO may do that too .. |
| 22:38.23 | alterego | Did you fully charge the device before hand? |
| 22:38.32 | lardman | no, 1/2 battery |
| 22:38.47 | lardman | I guess something might have get stuck on 100% cpu, though I didn't checkl |
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| 22:49.30 | lardman | realises it was him who broke the autofocus |
| 22:49.43 | lardman | 3 weeks ago, just before his device broken |
| 22:49.48 | lardman | s/n/ |
| 22:49.50 | lardman | oops |
| 22:50.52 | alterego | Hrm? |
| 22:50.57 | alterego | You broke your own autofocus? |
| 22:51.07 | alterego | How did you manage that> |
| 22:51.49 | lardman | well I broke the code that controls autofocus |
| 22:52.46 | Juozapas | :)) |
| 22:52.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:52.53 | alterego | fcam? |
| 22:53.11 | MohammadAG | gstreamer i think |
| 22:53.18 | lardman | nah, just a single line change in mbarcode that I apparently didn't get a chance to check too well |
| 22:53.29 | lardman | but yeah I use gst |
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| 22:53.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:53.40 | alterego | Oh, you broke autofocus in your own app. |
| 22:53.53 | alterego | I thought you meant you broke it completely. |
| 22:54.01 | lardman | oh no, sorry |
| 22:54.16 | ThreeM | is that normal that BlessN900 makes strange noises when it focus? |
| 22:54.37 | lardman | clicking? |
| 22:54.59 | alterego | ThreeM: yes, that's normal. |
| 22:55.04 | ThreeM | yes |
| 22:55.08 | alterego | It does it for all camera apps for me. |
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| 22:55.18 | ThreeM | nothing to worry about it? |
| 22:55.27 | ThreeM | ahh ok |
| 22:55.52 | ThreeM | cause the stock camera app dont do that so i was a little bit worry |
| 22:56.10 | lardman | what's the operator for a logical xor in C++? |
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| 22:57.08 | MohammadAG | only in macro mode |
| 22:57.17 | MohammadAG | when you're focusing on something close |
| 22:57.20 | MohammadAG | will it click back |
| 22:57.22 | alterego | lardman: ^ |
| 22:57.28 | alterego | a ^ b is XOR |
| 22:57.36 | lardman | alterego: that's bitwise afaiu? |
| 22:57.42 | alterego | Yes |
| 22:57.46 | alterego | Oh, logical |
| 22:57.49 | ThreeM | ahh ok |
| 22:57.52 | lardman | :) |
| 22:58.18 | alterego | There isn't one. |
| 22:59.12 | alterego | Isn't that just an OR? |
| 22:59.15 | alterego | What are you trying to do? |
| 22:59.27 | MohammadAG | Hmm |
| 22:59.37 | MohammadAG | I have a spec of dust in my screen |
| 22:59.39 | MohammadAG | curses |
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| 23:02.36 | ieatlint | wow, the q4 nokia figures are out... for the entirety of 2010, nokia sold 100m symbian phones worldwide compared with 36 million iphones |
| 23:02.44 | ieatlint | and retains 31% of the worldwide smartphone market |
| 23:03.21 | ieatlint | whereas here in the US, where everyone buys their phones from their phone carrier, my carrier has a single symbian phone for sale |
| 23:03.27 | ieatlint | and it's low-end |
| 23:03.41 | ThreeM | same here in german |
| 23:04.37 | ThreeM | nokia has problems with smartphone market and anybody thinks that symbian is crap (not my opinion) |
| 23:05.02 | ieatlint | symbian is pretty crappy |
| 23:05.07 | alterego | Meh |
| 23:05.10 | alterego | Depends who you are. |
| 23:05.28 | alterego | I think Symbian^3 is really quite good for the 5 minutes I played with it :D |
| 23:05.29 | ThreeM | why is symbian crappy? it just works |
| 23:05.34 | ieatlint | it's easier to use than other smartphone platforms |
| 23:05.49 | ThreeM | the gui is not so intuitiv |
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| 23:06.02 | MohammadAG | actually, I find older people get used to iPhone's faster |
| 23:06.06 | MohammadAG | iPhones* |
| 23:06.10 | MohammadAG | ffs can't type |
| 23:06.22 | alterego | That's because they're designed for idiots :) |
| 23:06.22 | trumee | where can i get the original osso-wlan? |
| 23:06.25 | ThreeM | but on the other hand, the clock and alarm works pretty well ;) |
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| 23:06.33 | alterego | Or at least people with low expectations and needs. |
| 23:06.58 | ieatlint | symbian^3 has a crappy on screen keyboard, and its lack of package maintainance is a joke |
| 23:06.59 | trumee | anybody knows where is the original maemo repo? |
| 23:07.22 | ieatlint | it's home screen widget stuff is crippled as compared to android (or maemo) |
| 23:07.27 | ThreeM | symbian can handle the most scenarios well |
| 23:07.48 | ieatlint | and its method of handling data connections is confusing, with settings all over the place instead of centralised |
| 23:07.51 | ThreeM | and it has more functions on board compared to android or ios |
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| 23:08.06 | ieatlint | functions on board? how's that? |
| 23:08.20 | ThreeM | syncml for example |
| 23:08.39 | trumee | ah, found it |
| 23:08.44 | ieatlint | symbian^3 doesn't support kinetic scrolling widgets as part of its current qt toolkit |
| 23:08.54 | ieatlint | which is beyond failure in my opinion |
| 23:08.56 | alterego | Shame |
| 23:09.07 | MohammadAG | <alterego> That's because they're designed for idiots :) |
| 23:09.14 | MohammadAG | I pretty much said that to a lot of people |
| 23:09.18 | alterego | Actually yeah, I remmeber thinking that. At least it has touch scrolling unlike the previous versions ;) |
| 23:09.22 | ieatlint | they just say use QML, you know, when it actually gets released for symbian at some indefinite future time |
| 23:09.23 | MohammadAG | in their face etc |
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| 23:09.30 | alterego | MohammadAG: I do all the time ;) |
| 23:09.40 | MohammadAG | S^3 was a huge step for S60 |
| 23:09.50 | MohammadAG | I mean, ^1 was crappy as hell |
| 23:10.16 | ieatlint | i went from a nokia n80 s60 3rd edition, to android, to maemo, and now have two s^3 devices |
| 23:10.22 | ieatlint | and i feel crippled in them |
| 23:10.37 | ieatlint | granted, the lack of hardware keyboard is part of my issue... which isn't s^3's fault |
| 23:10.43 | ThreeM | i like symbian and i think its still one of the best mobile os |
| 23:11.20 | ieatlint | i have some hopes for meego, although i still question if nokia will be able to convert its userbase to it |
| 23:11.39 | ThreeM | but coding for it can be pain in the ass |
| 23:11.41 | wmarone | converting a user base takes time and developer support |
| 23:11.42 | alterego | convert, meh, transition. |
| 23:11.49 | alterego | Users will go where the candy is |
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| 23:12.03 | ieatlint | alterego: yeah, but the candy might be android or iphone now |
| 23:12.08 | MohammadAG | I hate the generation of idiots the iPhone is building |
| 23:12.20 | ieatlint | most people who buy a symbian phone are replacing a symbian phone |
| 23:12.22 | alterego | ieatlint: Maybe, we'll see. |
| 23:12.23 | wmarone | I'm more wondering if Elop isn't going to eviscerate it all |
| 23:12.29 | MohammadAG | I mean seriously, a friend of mine thinks it can really measure heartbeat with the camera |
| 23:12.31 | ThreeM | MohammadAG, word |
| 23:12.41 | wmarone | MohammadAG: to be fair to the iPhone, most buyers are new to the smartphoen concempt |
| 23:12.42 | ieatlint | if they have to change OSes, they may change to a non-nokia platform that they've heard so much about and is well established |
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| 23:12.49 | wmarone | blahhhh stupid lag |
| 23:12.57 | MohammadAG | and the video demoing that was using a fucking index finger |
| 23:13.03 | MohammadAG | which has NO pulse |
| 23:13.03 | ThreeM | the most of the iphone users doesnt realy need a smartphone |
| 23:13.18 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 23:13.18 | wmarone | what annoys me is Android |
| 23:13.19 | ThreeM | the need a handheld with no features |
| 23:13.43 | wmarone | as google managed to kneecap the role of actual open source OSes in the mobile space |
| 23:13.57 | ThreeM | android is no option because of the "security" system and the anoying ads overall |
| 23:13.59 | MohammadAG | android's better than iOS though |
| 23:14.05 | wmarone | sure, it's better |
| 23:14.14 | alterego | Do you think Nokia/MeeGo will ever get adverts? |
| 23:14.19 | wmarone | and I'll sooner buy Android than WP7/iOS |
| 23:14.24 | alterego | I hope not, and maybe that'll be a compelling enough reason? |
| 23:14.33 | alterego | Because Apple is going that way and that is all that Google is about .. |
| 23:14.44 | alterego | I will stay with Nokia until the end. |
| 23:14.54 | wmarone | alterego: MeeGo doesn't supply a store, I don't imagine it will supply Ads |
| 23:14.59 | ThreeM | meego can be a great hit for me, if its open like maemo |
| 23:15.02 | alterego | I don't like what Android is and I don't like who's developing it. Same goes for iOS |
| 23:15.11 | jacekowski | wmarone: windows phone looks interesting |
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| 23:15.26 | MohammadAG | it's windows |
| 23:15.27 | wmarone | jacekowski: thus far it's just Microsoft's version of iOS |
| 23:15.36 | MohammadAG | expect half of it to not work without windows |
| 23:15.43 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: you can measure heartbeat with camera |
| 23:15.43 | ieatlint | it'd have been interesting if webos got the support it needed |
| 23:15.46 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: +light |
| 23:15.59 | MohammadAG | the iPhone has no light |
| 23:16.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: that's pretty much how these clip on hospital things work |
| 23:16.03 | MohammadAG | at least pre-4 |
| 23:16.16 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: these produce two colours of red light |
| 23:16.20 | jacekowski | and measure each one of them |
| 23:16.27 | MohammadAG | Yes |
| 23:16.32 | MohammadAG | but the iphone can't do that |
| 23:16.45 | jacekowski | and that gives oxygen level and fluctuation give pulse |
| 23:16.47 | jacekowski | well |
| 23:16.51 | jacekowski | just to measure pulse |
| 23:16.57 | jacekowski | external light should be enough |
| 23:17.00 | ieatlint | i've seen the app on an nexus s that measures heartbeat... it seems janky to get working, but then appears reliable |
| 23:17.12 | jacekowski | with sensitive camera |
| 23:17.13 | MohammadAG | and doesn't the index finger lack pulse? |
| 23:17.20 | jacekowski | nope |
| 23:17.21 | ThreeM | ok my batteries are empty. good night everyone |
| 23:17.40 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: touch it yourself |
| 23:17.47 | MohammadAG | wasn't it only the thumb that had pulse |
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| 23:17.49 | lardman | not with your thumb though |
| 23:17.58 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: all of them have pulse |
| 23:18.03 | lardman | nah, thumb just has more of a pulse |
| 23:18.21 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: these hospital things ussualy go onto index finger |
| 23:18.44 | MohammadAG | yeah i remember that now |
| 23:18.59 | jacekowski | i'm just saying that idea is possible |
| 23:18.59 | MohammadAG | but I remember reading somewhere about thumb having pulse |
| 23:19.05 | MohammadAG | guess lardman's right |
| 23:19.11 | jacekowski | but i doubt iphone has camera sensitive enough |
| 23:19.20 | lardman | yeah you're not supposed to try to take someone's pulse using your thumb |
| 23:19.30 | MohammadAG | 3G fyi, not the 3GS |
| 23:19.32 | alterego | Almost finished copying MeeGo (for the fifth time in about an hour) |
| 23:19.36 | ieatlint | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_oximeter |
| 23:19.48 | MohammadAG | alterego, install on the eMMC |
| 23:19.49 | jacekowski | ieatlint: but that has dedicated lights inside |
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| 23:20.11 | ieatlint | jacekowski: yes, but it's what that thing on your finger is at a hospital, so i figured relevant |
| 23:20.15 | ieatlint | including to how it works in general |
| 23:21.11 | jacekowski | i know how it works |
| 23:21.12 | jacekowski | i built one |
| 23:21.18 | jacekowski | just for lulz |
| 23:21.23 | jacekowski | never got to calibrate it |
| 23:21.30 | ieatlint | cool, i'd love to see info on that if you documented it |
| 23:21.37 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'm testing problems in the latest image and comparing with an older one. |
| 23:22.02 | jacekowski | ieatlint: it's very simple device |
| 23:22.09 | jacekowski | ieatlint: it's calibration of it that's a problem |
| 23:22.18 | jacekowski | ieatlint: and setting up your leds |
| 23:22.30 | alterego | MohammadAG: but for some reason the transfer speed of my sd card reader has plummeted to 1.0MB/s :( |
| 23:22.33 | ieatlint | how often does it need calibration though? |
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| 23:22.51 | MohammadAG | alterego, which brings us back to... eMMC :p |
| 23:23.01 | ieatlint | i'd be curious, because having something in a form factor that could be used while exercising and store data would be really awesome |
| 23:23.04 | alterego | I don't think so. |
| 23:23.11 | jacekowski | ieatlint: it's one of as far as i know |
| 23:23.13 | ieatlint | and all the commercial ones i've seen are huge finger blocks |
| 23:23.16 | MohammadAG | seriously |
| 23:23.17 | jacekowski | ieatlint: but i have nothing to compare it to |
| 23:23.24 | MohammadAG | just partition it with gparted |
| 23:23.27 | alterego | You've got a point though, I can install two version on the same MMC and configure the bootloader to select which one to load. |
| 23:23.35 | jacekowski | ieatlint: i just have value from A/D converter that changes with my pulse |
| 23:23.43 | alterego | Anyway, almost done now. |
| 23:23.48 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 23:24.03 | ieatlint | easy to fix then, just need a heart rate monitor for reference |
| 23:24.21 | alterego | Hah |
| 23:24.24 | jacekowski | yes |
| 23:24.31 | jacekowski | but i'm not going to buy one |
| 23:24.43 | alterego | http://i.imgur.com/Id0IT.png |
| 23:25.01 | jacekowski | i could go to hospital |
| 23:25.04 | jacekowski | and ask around |
| 23:25.15 | ieatlint | i have access to a chest strap polar one |
| 23:25.32 | jacekowski | but that's just hearbeat |
| 23:25.40 | jacekowski | not oxygen level |
| 23:25.42 | jacekowski | isn't it? |
| 23:25.48 | ieatlint | oh, yes, i'm not thinking here |
| 23:25.57 | ieatlint | yeah, would need to buy one, or visit a hospital/clinic |
| 23:27.40 | jacekowski | i just can't imagine me walking into hospital |
| 23:27.46 | jacekowski | with my bag |
| 23:28.01 | jacekowski | saying "hi, can i use your pulse oximieter for couple hours" |
| 23:28.16 | merlin1991 | that's be awesome :D |
| 23:29.54 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm sure they won't object :P |
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| 23:36.32 | orospakr | Hey, does anyone else find the 3.5mm TRRS connector on the n900 to be kind of sloppy? I routinely get very annoying crackling in a verified known-good pair of headphones if I so much as wiggle or touch the phone or the plug. |
| 23:38.54 | alterego | No, can't say I do. |
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| 23:50.42 | lardman | night all |
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| 23:55.55 | trumee | mobile hotspot doesn't like lxps driver. |
| 23:56.21 | trumee | N900 rebooted when i ran mobile hotspot. |
| 23:57.22 | nox- | whats lxps? |
| 23:58.06 | trumee | nox-, injection wifi drivers |
| 23:58.17 | nox- | ah |
| 23:58.54 | trumee | going to reboot |
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