| 00:07.17 | alterego | MrBawb: yes, it's something like that ;) |
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| 00:15.17 | ieatlint | my point is that all identical strings in c/c++, as compiled by gcc with standard optimisation, are the same string |
| 00:16.09 | ieatlint | if you have the string "blah" in 50 different places in your app, it doesn't take up 50x "blah", it takes up 1x "blah" ... same if you call a function that uses "blah" 50 times, it's the same string -- its memory address (on the stack) never changes |
| 00:17.02 | ieatlint | (the relative point being that the memory used by the strings in the example remains on the stack for the duration of the program, and doesn't free or disappear) |
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| 00:23.43 | alterego | ieatlint: yes, we get that :) |
| 00:24.01 | alterego | He doesn't have to worry about those details though. |
| 00:24.20 | ieatlint | :P |
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| 00:25.13 | alterego | Should be ready for another Columbus weekly release either tomorrow or thursday. |
| 00:25.23 | alterego | With the nice new trips feature. |
| 00:26.08 | alterego | And a few more features/enhancements and some bug fixes. |
| 00:27.05 | alterego | I like the fact that I'm doing weekly releases, I also like the fact that my v1 roadmap/todo-list is no longer increasing at the same rate it's decreasing. |
| 00:27.10 | alterego | Now it's actually going down :D |
| 00:27.20 | alterego | Anyhow, bedtime, g'night folks. |
| 00:27.24 | pupnik | nite |
| 00:32.30 | jacekowski | alterego: tell me when it will start using more than 50% of cpu and more than 128M of ram |
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| 01:02.36 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:02.44 | MohammadAG | my device is hanging a lot |
| 01:02.44 | kwtm | Hi. What is the latest opinion on Maemo PR 1.3? Any improvements/fixes since it came out, or would upgrading to 1.3 today be just the same as upgrading when it came out (I think) a few months ago? If PR 1.2 is working okay, is it worthwhile upgrading? If PR 1.2 is not working (3-5 second delays before responding to keypresses), does PR 1.3 fix it? |
| 01:03.02 | kwtm | Oh no. If MohammadAG's phone is hanging a lot, then mere mortals like me have no hope. |
| 01:03.08 | MohammadAG | and by hanging, I mean it stops responding all-in-all for a minute |
| 01:03.24 | MohammadAG | second actually lol |
| 01:04.16 | MohammadAG | kwtm, we'll be announcing PR1.3.3.7-1 soon |
| 01:04.35 | wmarone | PR1.3 solved my problem with the browser and IOwait killing the device |
| 01:04.36 | MohammadAG | you have to be on 1.3 to install it |
| 01:04.49 | wmarone | modest bug is still making things suck though |
| 01:04.58 | MohammadAG | which one? |
| 01:05.11 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Ah, so there will be a more recent version of 1.3 soon. Okay, I'll wait. Ohhh... I need 1.3 to upgrade to 1.3.3.7-1, then? Is that a stable or a bleeding-edge type upgrade, the "...7-1"? |
| 01:05.22 | wmarone | the one where it only actually pulls down new mail via pop3 after long, long intervals or connection changes |
| 01:05.29 | wmarone | forcing an update doesn't work |
| 01:05.32 | MohammadAG | bleeding edge, but it's stable :P |
| 01:05.41 | kwtm | wmarone: Thanks for info. May be worthwhile upgrading. Did 1.3 introduce any new problems? |
| 01:05.56 | MohammadAG | this hanging thing seems to be a CPU problem :/ |
| 01:06.05 | wmarone | kwtm: none that I've hit, probably some others have |
| 01:06.35 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Do I understand, then, that I do the usual Over-The-Air upgrade which gets me Just Plain 1.3, and then I manually upgrade to a more stable version, or is the Over The Air upgrade a more stable version than the first 1.3? |
| 01:06.46 | pupnik | lol, android user can't see/copy videos from browser cache. what a piece of crippleware |
| 01:07.13 | kwtm | wmarone: Good to know. Just for my info, do you use your N900 as a phone a lot, or mainly tablet computer + internet? I'm having phone stability issues (would love to blame it on PulseAudio). |
| 01:07.14 | MohammadAG | kwtm, 1.3.3.7-1 is a community update |
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| 01:07.33 | MohammadAG | argh, gonna reboot |
| 01:07.39 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Understood. Is there a 1.3.3, for example, that's Over The Air official from Nokia? |
| 01:07.50 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Will wait for reboot, since I value your advice. |
| 01:07.56 | wmarone | wmarone: I use it daily as my primary phone |
| 01:07.57 | MohammadAG | nope, 1.3 might be the last update |
| 01:08.04 | wmarone | err |
| 01:08.08 | wmarone | kwtm |
| 01:08.09 | MohammadAG | from Nokia that is |
| 01:08.13 | kwtm | wmarone: Okay. |
| 01:08.15 | MohammadAG | nmm |
| 01:08.24 | kwtm | I swear, this N900 drives me nuts sometimes. |
| 01:08.28 | MohammadAG | charger isn't detected |
| 01:08.42 | kwtm | On the one hand, there's nothing like it. I'm glad it exists. |
| 01:09.15 | kwtm | On the other hand, there's nothing like it. I don't really have any alternative, and in some ways it sucks so much I wonder if someone went out of their way to make it suck. |
| 01:09.45 | kwtm | I'm just waiting for The Unannounced Samsung Linux Phone to come out so there's something else for me to buy. <sigh> |
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| 01:10.24 | wmarone | well, if samsung tries on new devices what they tried to pull on Galaxy Tab owners, I'd avoid them like I avoid Motorola |
| 01:11.34 | kwtm | wmarone: What did they do for Galaxy Tab? I thought the Galaxy S had an enthusiastic following but haven't followed news on the Galaxy Tab. (Is that an iPad competitor?) |
| 01:11.45 | wmarone | the tab is Samsung's tablet |
| 01:12.09 | wmarone | and they pushed out an update that changed the bootloader so it only booted a signed kernel |
| 01:12.20 | wmarone | fortunately the guys at xda-devs were able to fix it |
| 01:14.36 | kwtm | !! Wait, they *pushed* an update? Presumably it runs Android-for-Sheeple or that there was some way to set it up so you wouldn't get automated updates ... |
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| 01:15.28 | wmarone | by "pushed" I mean "made available to users" |
| 01:15.48 | wmarone | of course, they didn't tell anyone what they were doing in terms of the bootloader update |
| 01:16.41 | kwtm | Ahh, one of those stealth updates, like "we fixed a bug in Internet Explorer --oops!, look, your computer no longer passes the This Copy Of Windows Isn't Pirated test!" |
| 01:17.40 | kwtm | What did Motorola do to you? They don't have any Linux phones or even Android, do they? |
| 01:17.47 | wmarone | err |
| 01:17.55 | wmarone | motorola is not dead because of android |
| 01:18.19 | wmarone | and on every device since the DROID, they have signed the bootloader and kernel |
| 01:18.40 | kwtm | Oh. I guess you can see the big "I Don't Follow Android" stamped on my forehead. |
| 01:18.43 | wmarone | so "ROMs" for the devices are nasty hacks that are limited to stuff compatible with the kernel on the device |
| 01:19.00 | wmarone | I'm not a fan of Android but I watch what wireless hardware vendors do |
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| 01:19.44 | kwtm | I try to generally keep up with Android on Slashdot but haven't had much time lately. |
| 01:19.57 | kwtm | Oh, wait, the Verizon Droid X is from Motorola, isn't it? duhhh... I forgot. |
| 01:20.07 | wmarone | yes |
| 01:20.28 | kwtm | Which provider do you use for the N900? (If that's what you have.) I've been pleased with Tmobile --or at least they haven't pulled any bad stunts on me. |
| 01:20.38 | wmarone | AT&T |
| 01:20.44 | kwtm | Are they okay, AT&T? |
| 01:20.51 | wmarone | sure, no problems |
| 01:21.06 | wmarone | no 3G service, but it's not that important to me |
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| 01:21.48 | kwtm | will keep that in mind. My N900 displays 3G on the bars, but I wonder if that actually means 3G service? It will sometimes display "2.5G" and I'm sure there's no such thing. |
| 01:21.58 | wmarone | 2.5G = EDGE |
| 01:22.13 | wmarone | 3G means 3G service, but T-Mobile's coverage is weak so you end up on EDGE sometimes |
| 01:22.27 | kwtm | wmarone: I see. So it's a quality of service thing --kinda like "number of bars indicator for data". |
| 01:23.03 | wmarone | not really QoS, if you see 2.5G then you've got zero 3G signal |
| 01:23.08 | wmarone | and are significantly slower data-wise |
| 01:24.04 | kwtm | Oh. Okay. I wonder what I had before I got the N900? I had a Palm Treo which doesn't indicate the type of service. I thought EDGE was all I would get. I think I have one of those grandfathered unlimited internet plans. |
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| 01:50.29 | jonwil | Making a bit of progress on the icd policy plugins, thankyou Nokia for the very nice http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/icd2/files.html and the documentation linked to by that page |
| 01:51.01 | jonwil | And for releasing an i386 package for icd that lets me use HexRays to reverse engineer the plugins :) |
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| 01:56.43 | kwtm | Sounds interesting. What is icd? |
| 01:56.53 | kwtm | Well, I have just speeded up my phone by about a bazillion times. |
| 01:57.07 | BCMM | kwtm: is it on fire? |
| 01:57.17 | kwtm | BCMM: Feels like it. About time, too. |
| 01:57.43 | pupnik | interesting stuff jonwil |
| 01:57.47 | kwtm | I deleted about 2500 contacts. Apparently this vaunted 32GB memory superphone can't handle too many contacts. So I just whittled it down to under 100. |
| 01:58.06 | jonwil | icd is the internet connectivity daemon |
| 01:58.22 | jonwil | so the policy plugins should presumably be what controls which network it connects to and when |
| 01:58.46 | kwtm | Now I use Vim to dial my contacts, and keep my ContactsDB empty so every time the phone rings it doesn't have to sweep through the whole Contacts DB looking to see if there's any particular icon to display when a particular phone number is calling me. <sigh> |
| 01:58.57 | kwtm | jonwil: Sounds interesting. Will check it out. |
| 01:59.45 | kwtm | So, wmarone, we were talking about the PR 1.3 upgrade. I think I'll hold off since the phone seems to be faster now. |
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| 02:05.40 | wmarone | weird, but ok |
| 02:06.03 | wmarone | kwtm: it's got 32GB of internal memory, but that's all nonvolatile storage :) |
| 02:09.07 | kwtm | wmarone: Yeah ... and, *man*, does it love to use that nonvolatile storage for swapping! Almost as if saying to me, "it's a slower type of memory --allow me to demonstrate!" |
| 02:09.39 | kwtm | Or, to be more specific, "allow me to demonstrate while that phone is ringing and you are waiting for the green button to show up on screen so you can answer the call!" |
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| 02:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart ZyXEL |
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| 02:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | BURP |
| 02:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | Me allows to demonstrate to kwtm. (just keep away of my flat) |
| 02:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's about time... |
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| 02:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | WTF, I'm not existing... |
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| 03:01.36 | pupnik | lol android SUCKS |
| 03:01.50 | pupnik | good lord does it suck |
| 03:02.38 | moshee | hi franz_ |
| 03:02.43 | franz_ | hi |
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| 03:05.28 | timeless | hrm... i just got a skype call |
| 03:05.53 | timeless | but the ring behavior was really strange |
| 03:06.18 | timeless | it sounded like my phone was on a dead line first, and then it rang for an instant and then it went away before i could pause my DVR and answer :( |
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| 03:45.15 | Kilroo | puzzles over how to partition his 32GB sd card. |
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| 04:02.36 | lucent | Kilroo: why puzzlement? |
| 04:03.07 | lucent | also, 32GB SD card? wowzer |
| 04:03.08 | Kilroo | lucent: Because I'm trying to anticipate how I expect to want to use it. |
| 04:03.26 | Kilroo | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220547 |
| 04:03.28 | Kilroo | :D |
| 04:03.44 | lucent | uSD! |
| 04:04.32 | lucent | shoot I can't justify over $50 on a given uSD card |
| 04:05.17 | lucent | Kilroo: what data do you keep on the card? |
| 04:05.28 | Kilroo | So far, none. |
| 04:05.44 | lucent | I'm into storing music on mine in FLAC format |
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| 04:06.14 | lucent | several 4 or 8GB cards, and I have Sansa Fuze players (several of those too) |
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| 04:06.54 | SpeedEvil | A microSD, with a price of over about $15, exceeds its price in gold. |
| 04:07.05 | SpeedEvil | of equal weight |
| 04:07.44 | lucent | yeah I spent about $17 on 8GB capacity uSD cards |
| 04:08.21 | Kilroo | My list of things I want to be able to do with it, ideally, so far includes: pop it out and let other people put stuff on it, either as a microSD or in a USB adapter, as one might use a flash drive; install nitdroid; eventually install a few other OSes for testing (Arch, Meego, etcetera); possibly try having some swap space on it. |
| 04:09.03 | Kilroo | Yeah, I have a few 8's too. |
| 04:10.18 | lucent | oh! Kilroo http://www.amazon.com/elago-Mobile-microSDHC-Memory-Reader/dp/B002HGFKR8 |
| 04:11.01 | lucent | best little reader ever for sticking on a keyring and using microsd cards |
| 04:11.19 | lucent | $9 seems kind of high price though I got mine for $3 |
| 04:11.59 | Kilroo | ...I already have miniSD, SD, and USB adapters...came with the Kingstons. The USB one isn't quite that neat a design but it's quite servicable. |
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| 04:35.01 | pupnik | http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sharp3.jpg nice keyboard! |
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| 04:40.00 | psycho_oreos | then again that's sharp and their legacy and now obsolete product. |
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| 04:41.53 | wmarone | still a nice formfactor |
| 04:42.37 | psycho_oreos | probably also patented too |
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| 04:45.42 | SpeedEvil | I keep pondering applying for a patent for 'A device to process signals from sensors ultimately employing one of strong, weak, electromagnetic, or gravitational forces, and to activate actuators based on these forces, with a logical element to perform computations in the middle'. |
| 04:46.41 | pupnik | make the keyboard a bit narrower/smaller, without the side-bezels, and it would probably be thumb-typable |
| 04:47.45 | psycho_oreos | that suggestion should be directed at nokia :) |
| 04:48.11 | psycho_oreos | and see if they listen *snickers* |
| 04:50.01 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* afterall they're responsible for how the product should respond, what it should look like, how it should feel etc. |
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| 05:03.25 | Sazpaimon | so, I was able to build gnash on the SDK, including the browser plugin, but it doesn't seem to work.. |
| 05:03.45 | Sazpaimon | the browser shows the gnash plugin as loaded, but videos seem to not want to show up... |
| 05:07.30 | psycho_oreos | probably some other plugin interfering with the same extension/file type |
| 05:07.48 | Sazpaimon | psycho_oreos, nope, only the gnash plugin is loaded |
| 05:07.59 | Sazpaimon | i also can only seem to load a couple flashes in gtk-gnash |
| 05:08.02 | Sazpaimon | very simple ones |
| 05:08.23 | Sazpaimon | youtube won't properly show up, neither will adobe's own flash diagnostic |
| 05:08.29 | Sazpaimon | let me try in fennec just to be 100% sure |
| 05:08.36 | psycho_oreos | the it might be the issue with gnash plugin |
| 05:08.57 | Sazpaimon | possibly, I'll try running gnash in the ubuntu environment to test |
| 05:09.04 | psycho_oreos | s/the/then/ |
| 05:09.39 | Sazpaimon | I'm installing firefox and gnash on ubuntu now |
| 05:09.55 | psycho_oreos | hmm can't gnash play some locally hosted file for verification |
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| 05:10.10 | Sazpaimon | psycho_oreos, yep, it won't show a couple files i tested |
| 05:10.17 | Termana | good morning |
| 05:10.20 | Sazpaimon | i build the gtk-gnash executable, only 1 file so far works |
| 05:10.27 | Sazpaimon | and it's a very very simple file |
| 05:10.27 | pupnik | SWEET. 40 minutes of gimp editing and it crashes |
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| 05:10.57 | psycho_oreos | Sazpaimon: weird |
| 05:11.17 | pupnik | nice, no temp saves either |
| 05:11.17 | psycho_oreos | Sazpaimon: cross compiled? |
| 05:11.29 | psycho_oreos | Termana: good arvo |
| 05:11.33 | Sazpaimon | psycho_oreos, no, it's the i386 build |
| 05:11.45 | Sazpaimon | iirc you can't run the N900 environment on arm |
| 05:12.15 | psycho_oreos | Sazpaimon: umm on N900? |
| 05:12.23 | Sazpaimon | i don't have an N900 handy as of yet |
| 05:12.33 | psycho_oreos | N900 runs on arm |
| 05:12.42 | Sazpaimon | no, I mean on sbox |
| 05:12.54 | Sazpaimon | I'm currently running on the emulator |
| 05:13.11 | psycho_oreos | sbox emulator? |
| 05:13.20 | Sazpaimon | on the SDK |
| 05:13.39 | Sazpaimon | scratchbox |
| 05:14.05 | psycho_oreos | I'll assume its sbox, if that's the case then probably other necessary deps are missing |
| 05:14.24 | psycho_oreos | I know sbox maemo gui is quite basic |
| 05:14.46 | Sazpaimon | well I built it from the source, and only omitted the KDE deps |
| 05:15.36 | Sazpaimon | let me try fennec now |
| 05:16.13 | psycho_oreos | well I'm not sure how gnash works |
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| 05:17.24 | Sazpaimon | I don't know its inner workings either |
| 05:17.36 | Sazpaimon | i just know it supports a decent subset of flash 9, and a bit of flash 10 |
| 05:18.34 | psycho_oreos | then again maemo supports predominantly flash 9 with some hacks to fake its version as flash 10 |
| 05:18.53 | Sazpaimon | last i heard it doesnt support hulu |
| 05:19.31 | psycho_oreos | probably because hulu actually requires flash 10 or newer |
| 05:19.37 | Sazpaimon | then again i never had much luck with hulu on gnash |
| 05:19.43 | Sazpaimon | but i heard it CAN be made to work |
| 05:20.05 | psycho_oreos | again not that I know. I don't live in stateside |
| 05:20.21 | Sazpaimon | and if we can get an alternative to adobe's flash on maemo, I think it would be worth it |
| 05:20.25 | psycho_oreos | it might ;) |
| 05:20.50 | Sazpaimon | of course mozilla doenst have x86 versions of fennec for maemo |
| 05:21.18 | psycho_oreos | problem is the only I know it is via that ti method |
| 05:21.42 | RobbieThe1st | Sazpaimon: Wait a minute... I got Fennec running on x86 Ubuntu... |
| 05:21.49 | Sazpaimon | RobbieThe1st, that doesn't help |
| 05:21.54 | RobbieThe1st | And that -had- to be an x86 version |
| 05:22.07 | Sazpaimon | it isnt for maemo though.. |
| 05:22.10 | psycho_oreos | well it'll be for maemo scratchbox sdk as the real maemo are arm based not i386 |
| 05:22.25 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
| 05:22.34 | Sazpaimon | yeah but most maemo packages are available in both x86 and arm |
| 05:23.43 | psycho_oreos | some not all and most likely not most |
| 05:24.59 | RobbieThe1st | Are you sure you can't run the standard x86 Fennec version in the Scratchbox if you -really- need it? |
| 05:25.13 | RobbieThe1st | ..Or just do everything on the N900 itself? |
| 05:25.37 | psycho_oreos | he doesn't own n900 yet |
| 05:27.12 | psycho_oreos | and he probably could but again the simulations may not really reflect on what actually happens on N900 |
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| 05:27.41 | RobbieThe1st | That's pretty much for sute |
| 05:27.44 | RobbieThe1st | *sure |
| 05:28.12 | RobbieThe1st | N900 works -far- nicer than any simulation I've seen, and actually -works- most of the time. |
| 05:28.30 | psycho_oreos | makes not owning N900 quite moot :) |
| 05:28.59 | RobbieThe1st | Just buy one. I think someone was selling a used one for $200 in the forum recently. |
| 05:29.04 | dm8tbr | simulations never are like the real device... |
| 05:29.32 | dm8tbr | bought his for 230⬠in like new condition, came with second battery |
| 05:29.38 | psycho_oreos | you should tell that to Sazpaimon. not me :) |
| 05:30.01 | psycho_oreos | is typing on irssi via N900 :)) |
| 05:30.48 | Sazpaimon | looks like gnash doenst load the same videos on ubuntu either.. |
| 05:30.59 | dm8tbr | does that too at times, what sucks though is that if the ssh connection dies while a remote screen was open the enter key stops working in the x terminal |
| 05:30.59 | Sazpaimon | weird, i remember it having decent compatability |
| 05:31.17 | psycho_oreos | well there you go... I think |
| 05:31.17 | Sazpaimon | i tried loading a random game (vvvvvv.swf) and it just gave me a black screen |
| 05:31.29 | Sazpaimon | i distinctly remember it working too |
| 05:31.38 | Sazpaimon | maybe the gnash devs broke something down the line |
| 05:31.46 | Sazpaimon | swfdec gives me the same result |
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| 05:34.54 | RobbieThe1st | Sazpaimon: I'm still not sure why you're worried - N900's built-in flash works nicely, and with a patch can be made to run Youtube videos perfectly well. |
| 05:35.23 | RobbieThe1st | I haven't run into anything that I -needed- flash 10 for, but I haven't done -that- much video stuff on my n900 |
| 05:35.38 | Sazpaimon | RobbieThe1st, was hoping to use a free alternative instead of depending on a proprietary addon that won't be updated in the future |
| 05:37.04 | RobbieThe1st | It's a good idea, but honestly in -this- case... It's better to go with the -working- alternative - You'll probably not be able to do very much with even a good OSS version; the Adobe plugin is at least optimized. |
| 05:37.24 | RobbieThe1st | And even -it- has a hard time with complex flash files. |
| 05:37.31 | RobbieThe1st | (even at 1ghz) |
| 05:37.45 | psycho_oreos | then again its better than nothing |
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| 05:39.16 | RobbieThe1st | That it is. I'm able to play nice animations with little to no studdering at 20fps or so; 360p youtube videos play right... What more could you ask for? |
| 05:39.27 | Sazpaimon | well gnash on firefox on actual linux loads youtube fine |
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| 05:39.50 | Sazpaimon | even loads the current player with video resolution controls |
| 05:40.02 | Sazpaimon | then again i have no idea if the flash 9 plugin on maemo does the same |
| 05:40.23 | RobbieThe1st | I can tell you it does |
| 05:40.40 | RobbieThe1st | (note that I've used flash-switcher to make it appear as flash 10, IIRC) |
| 05:41.02 | RobbieThe1st | Heck, let me take a pic. Got a video you want me to test for you? |
| 05:41.15 | Sazpaimon | nah, i believe you |
| 05:41.26 | Sazpaimon | flash 9 supports HD video, so i'd assume it works |
| 05:42.20 | Sazpaimon | at any rate, I'll keep messing with it |
| 05:42.33 | Sazpaimon | just for kicks |
| 05:42.49 | RobbieThe1st | One thing I -will- say though... Adding a flash-blocker(click-to-play for flash files) -really- improved browser performance on any site that's got flash ads. |
| 05:43.17 | RobbieThe1st | It often feels just as fast as a nice Desktop. |
| 05:43.31 | Sazpaimon | (i wonder if porting gnash would be more suited for the symbian community) |
| 05:44.25 | Sazpaimon | they're definately got a raw deal with only flash lite support |
| 05:45.20 | Sazpaimon | then again as you mentioned gnash isn't very optimized, so it might crawl on anything but, say, an N8 |
| 05:45.47 | RobbieThe1st | Last I tried, it crawled on my 3.2ghz quad-core desktop <_< |
| 05:45.55 | RobbieThe1st | And that was only a few months ago |
| 05:46.08 | Sazpaimon | what, gnash? |
| 05:46.20 | RobbieThe1st | Yea; for animations. |
| 05:46.25 | Sazpaimon | i've never bothered to benchmark it, myself |
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| 05:46.47 | Sazpaimon | i do know that the version of gnash in most "stable" repositories is quite old |
| 05:46.52 | RobbieThe1st | Well, when it slows down to ~10fps, and the animation goes out of sync.. |
| 05:47.15 | RobbieThe1st | Lets see... I've got 0.8.8 |
| 05:47.21 | pupnik | or we could beat up people who creat flash content with pipes |
| 05:47.22 | ebzzry | Forgive my ignorance, but where does MicroB store its cache files when viewing flash videos? |
| 05:48.09 | franz_ | ebzzry: /home/user/.adobe/Flash_Player/ subfolders |
| 05:48.27 | ebzzry | franz_: Thanks |
| 05:48.36 | pupnik | note that under Maemo you can access that, and under android you can NOT |
| 05:49.13 | franz_ | note that it is fairly good in managing the cache without wasting space, so you're probably not going to find much there |
| 05:49.50 | ebzzry | franz_: In what ways? |
| 05:50.06 | RobbieThe1st | The -real- problem with Gnash over flash is that when it can't render fast enough, Flash drops frames. Gnash doesn't seem to - scenes with lots of stuff go really slowly, and scenes with less end up going several times normal speed to make up. |
| 05:50.14 | franz_ | it gets rid of the cache fast |
| 05:50.15 | RobbieThe1st | It looks -very- odd |
| 05:50.48 | ebzzry | franz_: If I load a 10-minute video with MicroB, is the whole length of the video still contained in there? |
| 05:50.50 | Sazpaimon | RobbieThe1st, 0.8.8 is indeed the latest version, so I've got nothing |
| 05:51.20 | RobbieThe1st | Huh. Must have come from my Debian Experimental/Unstable repositories.. |
| 05:51.51 | Sazpaimon | anyway, that was a fun little experiment |
| 05:52.28 | Sazpaimon | it's probably all for naught if meego phones run on an atom though, since i guess then people can just use the regular old flash 10 plugin |
| 05:52.40 | wmarone | some might |
| 05:52.49 | wmarone | many won't, I imagine |
| 05:52.54 | RobbieThe1st | That would be interesting.. |
| 05:53.46 | RobbieThe1st | I'm hoping for some Meego phones stick with ARM, though - It keeps Windows and windows-related crap out. |
| 05:54.00 | Sazpaimon | what does x86 have to do with windows? |
| 05:54.24 | RobbieThe1st | 99% of current Windows software runs on x86. How much runs on ARM? |
| 05:54.39 | Sazpaimon | you could make that same argument about mac os |
| 05:54.40 | wmarone | x86 doesn't necessarily mean windows compatible though |
| 05:55.04 | RobbieThe1st | And you just -know- that Wine will be popular if we've got an x86-compatible processor to work from |
| 05:55.16 | Sazpaimon | what I'm more concerned about is how nokia would make a compability layer for binary programs |
| 05:55.46 | Sazpaimon | because not everyone is going to want to use qt |
| 05:55.57 | RobbieThe1st | @OSX: Ah, and we have Crossover Mac for a reason, don't we? |
| 05:56.07 | wmarone | Sazpaimon: if they don't use Qt then Nokia won't have their apps in the store |
| 05:56.10 | RST38h | Ah, I see trolls! |
| 05:56.48 | RobbieThe1st | That is something that's going to be interesting - I'm curious as to whether Meego will stay open, or will be locked down like other OSs have been... I suppose it'll depend on the device. |
| 05:57.00 | wmarone | it will definitely depend on the vendor |
| 05:57.18 | RobbieThe1st | If it's open, it doesn't matter what Nokia wants; People will just make their own sites and load what they want. |
| 05:57.22 | wmarone | rifght |
| 05:57.23 | psycho_oreos | current mac os namely macosx runs on x86 which makes your point worthless |
| 05:57.40 | wmarone | which is why meego is already planning a "surrounds" and "extras" repo that will be compatible |
| 05:58.48 | Sazpaimon | wmarone, does nokia expect that anything can be made with qt? |
| 05:59.20 | wmarone | Sazpaimon: are you saying nothing can be made with it? Or do you have some other argument against it? |
| 05:59.59 | Sazpaimon | no argument against it, I'm just wondering if it can be used for absolutely any program you can imagine |
| 06:00.07 | wmarone | probably |
| 06:00.12 | RobbieThe1st | I think that between QT and OpenGL-ES, you can probably do anything you need |
| 06:00.16 | wmarone | unless you're messing with hardware-specific things |
| 06:00.40 | wmarone | and even then, you can still do it in Qt but lose hardware independence |
| 06:00.54 | Sazpaimon | I'm just wondering how programs like emulators would work |
| 06:01.02 | wmarone | like they do now |
| 06:01.07 | Sazpaimon | those usually have some ASM in them for optimization purposes, dont they? |
| 06:01.19 | wmarone | sometimes |
| 06:01.31 | Sazpaimon | so how would they work on both an intel and ARM meego device |
| 06:01.42 | RobbieThe1st | You'd need to recompile for each, probably |
| 06:01.43 | wmarone | that's -your- problem ;) |
| 06:01.56 | Sazpaimon | oh boy, universal binaries all over again! |
| 06:02.06 | franz_ | hahah |
| 06:02.12 | RobbieThe1st | Look at what happens now with the extras-devel repo: It builds multiple versions at once |
| 06:02.13 | wmarone | Sazpaimon: no, you'll need to have an #ifdef that switches when you switch targets |
| 06:02.21 | wmarone | if you can't do that, what are you doing writing software? |
| 06:03.01 | Sazpaimon | it's not that easy with code that uses assembly |
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| 06:03.25 | Sazpaimon | developers would need to re-write their code for the ASM/x86 instruction set |
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| 06:03.30 | wmarone | yes! |
| 06:04.07 | RobbieThe1st | Sazpaimon: Look very closely at Dosbox for an example |
| 06:04.14 | wmarone | so you set your code up smartly and make sure the assembly bits can be swapped out at compile time |
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| 06:04.16 | RobbieThe1st | It runs on any platform you can think of, more or less. |
| 06:04.55 | RobbieThe1st | It's running on the N900(arm), on x86, x86_64... http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/dosbox |
| 06:05.00 | Sazpaimon | i thought dosbox uses mainly C++ for it's emulation, and not assembly |
| 06:05.08 | Sazpaimon | so it can be targeted for different devices easily |
| 06:05.35 | RobbieThe1st | Well, it seems to be fast enough to do the job? |
| 06:05.41 | wmarone | Sazpaimon: maybe you want to take a look at all the PSX emulators that are available on the N900 |
| 06:05.48 | wmarone | I'm sure most of those are ported from x86 targets |
| 06:06.37 | Sazpaimon | again, they probably don't use asm for their emulation core |
| 06:06.54 | wmarone | Sazpaimon: well, won't know unless you look |
| 06:07.07 | wmarone | and then you have to ask if the lack of assembly is a performance hit |
| 06:07.14 | wmarone | if not, who cares |
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| 06:07.30 | Sazpaimon | i believe it can be, depending on the hardware |
| 06:07.33 | wmarone | sure |
| 06:07.48 | Sazpaimon | it's probably more of a moot point nowadays with phones surpassing 1Ghz |
| 06:08.04 | wmarone | but that just means you're going to have to take into account the cross platform nature of your target |
| 06:09.23 | Sazpaimon | i can think of one example where ASM improves performance on "slower" devices |
| 06:10.00 | Sazpaimon | picodrive, that uses ARM ASM for it's emulation core, and runs very fast on most devices |
| 06:10.10 | wmarone | sure |
| 06:10.12 | wmarone | won't argue that |
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| 06:11.03 | RobbieThe1st | So creating two sets of ASM is -that- hard? Sure, it'll be harder than one, but I'd bet the rest of the application would take longer. |
| 06:11.32 | Sazpaimon | RobbieThe1st, the differences between the ARM and x86 instruction set is pretty vast |
| 06:12.07 | wmarone | Sazpaimon: not really relevant, you can make the changes completely transparent to upper layers of code if you do it right |
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| 06:13.25 | RobbieThe1st | Yes, but I'm just saying that the total time taken to write the asm can't be as hard as designing the whole rest of the program.. |
| 06:13.59 | Sazpaimon | when something like the emulation is the core of your program, yes it is |
| 06:14.23 | wmarone | Sazpaimon: have you written an emulator before? |
| 06:14.58 | ShadowJK | Where it would matter is video, where you have to use the dsp+iva anwyway, the dsp is painful with substandard tools, the iva is secret and you'd probably get sued for using it |
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| 06:15.36 | Sazpaimon | wmarone, I have not, but I understand the process of creating an emulation core |
| 06:15.59 | wmarone | and you saw the javascript gameboy emulator, right? |
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| 06:16.21 | Sazpaimon | wmarone, yeah, fancy piece of code, that |
| 06:16.26 | franz_ | the argument here is giving up performance for convenience |
| 06:16.38 | franz_ | undesirable, in my opinion |
| 06:17.09 | wmarone | eh, he doesn't have to give up performance for convenience |
| 06:17.30 | Sazpaimon | but the instructuion set of an 8-bit LR35902 cpu is a lot less complex than that of, say a 16 bit motorola 68000 |
| 06:17.34 | wmarone | he just has to be aware of his targets and what is necessary to make it work |
| 06:17.48 | franz_ | even if it *does* work, as you said, if it's fast enough |
| 06:18.07 | franz_ | in a mobile device there's lots of things to encourage better performance, like battery life and stuff |
| 06:18.15 | wmarone | sure |
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| 06:18.31 | wmarone | but when playing a game you'll probably burn more battery on the display |
| 06:18.36 | psycho_oreos | risc vs cisc? |
| 06:19.09 | franz_ | what if you could turn off the display and use tv-out? |
| 06:19.23 | franz_ | not saying that's something that will impact much, but it is not a non-issue either |
| 06:19.54 | RobbieThe1st | Probably a better idea would be to just get a charger if you intend to play a game for hours on end... |
| 06:19.55 | wmarone | franz_: save a bit of power |
| 06:20.43 | RobbieThe1st | I mean, currently, you can get about 2 hours of work at max brightness/max CPU load with the N900. That's enough for most things. If you need more, you're probably by -some- sort of power. |
| 06:21.14 | wmarone | if you're at max cpu load for 2 hours, I'd start worrying about your device surviving |
| 06:22.03 | Sazpaimon | a sega genesis emulatior shouldn't have to use max cpu load though |
| 06:22.12 | Sazpaimon | if it's optimized to the fullest extent |
| 06:22.34 | wmarone | sure, but you won't get that with assembly alone |
| 06:22.53 | Sazpaimon | no, but you'll get further away from it using C++ |
| 06:23.12 | wmarone | not really |
| 06:24.04 | wmarone | but this is all beside the point |
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| 06:24.20 | wmarone | if you want to leverage assembly to get the most out of your code |
| 06:24.33 | wmarone | then you'll need to abstract it from the rest properly |
| 06:24.41 | RobbieThe1st | Eh, I've run mine for over 2 hours under max load more than once, at 950mhz. That's about where it starts getting warm over time. |
| 06:24.42 | Sazpaimon | i kind of lost the point somewhere down the line |
| 06:24.42 | wmarone | and create an ARM and x86 version |
| 06:25.12 | wmarone | there are no "universal binaries" in Linux |
| 06:25.19 | Sazpaimon | in the end i think if a developer decides to target to meego he'll probably opt against using processor-specific code |
| 06:25.34 | wmarone | undoubtedly, as it won't be necessary for the vast majority of programs |
| 06:26.02 | wmarone | most will be happy to stay in the world as Qt presents it |
| 06:26.14 | wmarone | others will leverage the additional APIs made available by MeeGo |
| 06:26.30 | wmarone | and the rest of the weirdos will go into Extras |
| 06:26.36 | Sazpaimon | wmarone, there's some support for fat binaries in linux |
| 06:26.42 | Sazpaimon | not a great deal, but it's there |
| 06:26.45 | RobbieThe1st | Hm... Personally, I'm hoping to see a lot of Meego apps being able to be run easily on traditional Desktop Linux, possibly with a few extra libraries. |
| 06:26.47 | wmarone | Sazpaimon: all of which was rejected from the kernel |
| 06:26.58 | Sazpaimon | yeah, it probably wont ever happen |
| 06:27.10 | wmarone | it's only a problem for closed source software |
| 06:27.28 | wmarone | and sorting that out is the vendor's problem |
| 06:28.04 | RobbieThe1st | And that's a -good- thing, IMHO. |
| 06:29.34 | Sazpaimon | on an absolutely unrelated and completely off topic note, i seem to have been invaded by gnats |
| 06:29.57 | Sazpaimon | despite me having a pretty clean house |
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| 06:37.31 | mcepl | Hi, I am getting dreaded "Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 06:37.32 | mcepl | Unable to enumerate USB devices!" message when trying to flash N900. Using Fedora Rawhide, so advices about "upgrade your distribution" are off, I guess (and yes, it is fully upgraded). |
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| 06:39.08 | mcepl | and yes I did mount usbfs and yes I modprobe -r cdc_phonenet |
| 06:39.45 | mcepl | Oh, ... |
| 06:39.55 | mcepl | not following the HOWTO helped! |
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| 06:41.25 | psycho_oreos | tried livecd/livedvd/liveusb? |
| 06:42.39 | mcepl | no, I have just rerun flasher after it failed (with N900 in flashing mode) and it caught USB just fine. |
| 06:42.55 | pupnik | i read "and it caught USB just fire" |
| 06:43.07 | pupnik | momentary image of burning device |
| 06:43.26 | franz_ | lp0 on fire |
| 06:43.26 | psycho_oreos | lp0 is on fire! |
| 06:43.30 | franz_ | ha! |
| 06:43.40 | pupnik | xcat |
| 06:43.44 | mcepl | s/fire/fine/ |
| 06:45.47 | mcepl | and my phone is a virgin again! She doesn't know what I am talking about. |
| 06:46.07 | mcepl | it even looks like some data were saved |
| 06:46.46 | wmarone | if you don't reflash the eMMC then you shouldn't lose any data |
| 06:48.03 | mcepl | well, SOME are gone |
| 06:48.34 | mcepl | (it doesn't remember WiFi connections, for example, and configuration of desktops is gone) |
| 06:48.56 | wmarone | ahh |
| 06:49.35 | mcepl | trying to restore backups now |
| 06:51.04 | pupnik | they should start advertising capacitative gloves in stores |
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| 07:08.20 | pupnik | why does everything designed in china/taiwan look 25 years out of date? |
| 07:09.23 | mcepl | does full restore recovers also repository settings (I hate writing long URLs on N900 keyboard)? |
| 07:11.21 | johnx | mcepl, I think it should |
| 07:11.32 | johnx | hmm, don't honestly remember though ... |
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| 07:12.29 | mcepl | it doesn't :( |
| 07:12.36 | johnx | which repositories? |
| 07:14.24 | mcepl | extras-testing, extras-devel, firefox |
| 07:14.39 | johnx | firefox has a .install file I think |
| 07:14.54 | johnx | extras-testing and -devel used to have .install buttons, but I can't find them now ... |
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| 07:15.14 | mcepl | yeah, that's true |
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| 07:19.41 | johnx | sooo, if you *really* hate typing on the N900 keyboard, you could make yourself a .install file |
| 07:20.27 | johnx | Just grab a .install from maemo.org/downloads on your desktop, modify it to point to the info for extras-devel or extras-testing remove the 'package =' line and copy it your N900 |
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| 07:24.38 | pupnik | nice answer johnx ! |
| 07:25.45 | johnx | did there used to be .install files for -testing and -devel or am I going crazy? maybe that was for OS200(7|8)? |
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| 08:58.32 | jonwil | is making progress on cloning the ICD policy plugins. |
| 08:59.04 | jonwil | If I could just figure out what compile options Nokia are likely to have used... |
| 08:59.19 | jonwil | I think I need an optomization flag but I dont know which one |
| 09:01.28 | RobbieThe1st | Good work! |
| 09:01.44 | jonwil | -O2 seems to be the standard |
| 09:02.49 | psycho_oreos | maybe hack up a script for each and every possible optimisation flags available to be compiled and make it automatically do a diff on the compiled output against the precompiled binary? ;) |
| 09:04.01 | jonwil | definatly -O2 |
| 09:04.22 | jonwil | The simplest of the plugins (icd_policy_add) looks correct now |
| 09:06.10 | jonwil | The ASM instructions are identical |
| 09:06.23 | MohammadAG | :) |
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| 09:19.01 | kerio | icd? |
| 09:19.23 | psycho_oreos | I think its inter connecting daemon |
| 09:19.34 | jonwil | yeah internet connectivity daemon |
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| 09:19.43 | kerio | oh, that crap |
| 09:19.46 | kerio | i see |
| 09:19.50 | psycho_oreos | well there you go, straight from the horse's mouth |
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| 09:33.46 | jonwil | the point is that by working with the ICD policy plugins (e.g. writing a new one or modifying existing ones) you should be able to influence the network selection order. e.g. favoring certain WiFi networks over other ones |
| 09:33.57 | jonwil | Hence the wish to make 1:1 clones of the existing plugins |
| 09:34.45 | jonwil | icd_policy_one is done now |
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| 09:39.47 | SpeedEvil | Interesting! |
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| 09:42.31 | Ex-Opesa | How to have 6 number of status bar lines? Scrolling status bar is not some thing very good. :) |
| 09:44.12 | psycho_oreos | that might require some hacking into the source of hildon-status-bar I suppose |
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| 09:49.16 | Ex-Opesa | Yeah. |
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| 09:52.19 | psycho_oreos | have you tried looking at the source? :) |
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| 09:59.50 | Ex-Opesa | No. =D |
| 10:00.03 | Ex-Opesa | I am not a coder, just graphic designer. |
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| 10:02.20 | johnx | Ex-Opesa, always a good time to start ;) |
| 10:03.16 | Ex-Opesa | johnx, hehe. =) |
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| 10:17.15 | jonwil | C is not complicated to learn :) |
| 10:18.20 | trx2 | no lang is complicated to learn |
| 10:18.30 | trx2 | exept asm which is just plain boring :/ |
| 10:18.38 | psycho_oreos | pop |
| 10:18.44 | psycho_oreos | jmp |
| 10:18.45 | johnx | and some of the purposefully complicated ones |
| 10:18.59 | johnx | like brainf**k |
| 10:19.58 | trx2 | anyways, is there a way i can connect n900 to computer via mass storage mode and make it read only? |
| 10:20.31 | johnx | sure, connect it, then on the computer (on linux at least) mount -o remount,ro /mnt/n900 |
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| 10:20.35 | johnx | or wherever it mounted |
| 10:20.44 | johnx | should work on mac too |
| 10:20.45 | jonwil | Is it true that my N900 can recieve FM radio? |
| 10:20.53 | johnx | yes |
| 10:21.05 | jonwil | What do I need to install to make it work? |
| 10:21.06 | trx2 | i meant from the n900 side? |
| 10:21.10 | johnx | need an app and you need to have headphones plugged into act as the antenna |
| 10:21.15 | psycho_oreos | there's program for that but you still need headphone plugged into headphone jack |
| 10:21.24 | trx2 | because of win viruses which copy them self to usb sticks |
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| 10:21.40 | psycho_oreos | trx2, doubt it, the partition becomes invisible to maemo once it goes into mass storage mode |
| 10:21.55 | johnx | trx2, try lsmod, and find the module responsible for exporting to usb |
| 10:21.59 | johnx | then run modinfo on it |
| 10:22.09 | johnx | it might tell you if you can force read-only mode |
| 10:22.26 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, its called "FM radio", it relies on broadcom's bluetooth as FM receiver |
| 10:22.28 | trx2 | ill try that, ty |
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| 10:23.44 | jonwil | so if I plug the headphones that came with my N900 into the jack and install the FM radio app from the repos, I can get FM out of my phone speakers? |
| 10:24.36 | johnx | trx2, modinfo g_file_storage | grep 'ro:' |
| 10:24.53 | johnx | jonwil, yup. I think the app lets you select headphone output or speaker output |
| 10:24.59 | jonwil | ok, great |
| 10:25.18 | johnx | (though emphasis on *i think* :) ) |
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| 10:28.56 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | the new cfm radio app allows it too. a lot better sound |
| 10:28.56 | jonwil | found it, installing now |
| 10:29.07 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, it'll also start bluetooth as a result |
| 10:29.23 | jonwil | the one I am installing is called "FM Radio Player" |
| 10:30.08 | psycho_oreos | yeah that's the standard one, I have that as well, there's issues with trying to set stations.. I've been looking into ways of dealing with it from command line but to no avail it ignores the contents |
| 10:31.00 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | i noted more stuttering when switching tasks with that one. cfm radio is more lightweight and no stutter |
| 10:31.46 | psycho_oreos | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], got a link for that cfm radio app? |
| 10:31.58 | jonwil | Its surprising how many phones have that same Broadcomm Bluetooth/FM chip and dont support the FM part |
| 10:32.23 | trx2 | johnx nice, ty |
| 10:32.33 | trx2 | one last question tho, how do i set that to true? :) |
| 10:32.50 | johnx | trx2, was trying to find that for a bit |
| 10:33.07 | psycho_oreos | modinfo g_file_storage |
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| 10:33.20 | psycho_oreos | it seems like you'll need to use modprobe alias? *shrugs* |
| 10:33.30 | johnx | I think a script might load that module |
| 10:33.36 | johnx | either at boot or when plugging in usb |
| 10:33.37 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | its in the extras-devel repo. http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=CFMRadio&fldAuto=2072&faq=34 |
| 10:33.39 | johnx | just got to find it |
| 10:33.54 | johnx | or you can set an option in /etc/modprobe.d/somefile |
| 10:34.02 | psycho_oreos | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], ta, looking at it |
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| 10:34.43 | jonwil | ok, this seems to be working. Its even telling me the name of the song somehow |
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| 10:34.57 | johnx | trx2, loaded in /etc/init.d/ke-recv |
| 10:35.03 | trx2 | ty |
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| 10:35.18 | johnx | so two steps here: 1) back up all your data 2) edit the script :) |
| 10:35.35 | trx2 | lol |
| 10:35.38 | trx2 | good idea :) |
| 10:35.55 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, yeah that uses the RDP, not all FM radio stations have that and it also depends on the reception quality as well |
| 10:37.27 | jonwil | Thanks for the help guys, tonight I am going to a big fireworks display (its Australia Day) and they play radio stuff alongside the fireworks on a particular station. And with my N900, I can tune in without having to hope someone next to me has a radio loud enough to hear :) |
| 10:37.57 | johnx | keen |
| 10:38.14 | psycho_oreos | heh Aussie day is almost over too :p |
| 10:39.27 | jonwil | its only 6:30 here in the west |
| 10:39.43 | psycho_oreos | damn two hours behind me lol |
| 10:39.46 | psycho_oreos | 20:39:45 |
| 10:40.23 | jonwil | better make a move and grab a bus into town for the fireworks :) |
| 10:41.29 | jacekowski | i have one aussie here |
| 10:41.32 | jacekowski | and he's an idiot |
| 10:41.34 | psycho_oreos | or hang a big Aussie flag on yer ute and drive that around :D I saw someone doing that a few hours ago |
| 10:41.46 | jacekowski | and he's only aussie i know |
| 10:41.48 | jonwil | I dont have a UTE :P |
| 10:41.53 | jacekowski | so therefore 100% of aussies i know are idiots |
| 10:42.02 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, lol shame ;) |
| 10:42.03 | jonwil | later tonight or tomorrow I continue work on the ICD policy plugins. |
| 10:42.08 | johnx | jacekowski, maybe that says something about you :> |
| 10:42.22 | jacekowski | and from that i can extrapolate onto whole aussie population |
| 10:42.23 | psycho_oreos | jacekowski, well stereotyping working into yer head eh? :) |
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| 10:42.56 | jacekowski | there was couple cute girls from australia |
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| 10:47.38 | psycho_oreos | you were sucked into the IRC hype ;) |
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| 10:48.51 | johnx | I think it has something to do with believing myself when I say "This should only take another couple minutes ..." |
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| 11:04.46 | pupnik | Ex-Opesa: see the thread on talk.maemo.org on the subject |
| 11:05.43 | Ex-Opesa | pupnik: I am doing that already. Its a 16 page thread, reading and reading. ^ |
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| 11:06.35 | pupnik | Ex-Opesa: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?s=a776c1d71f8b9275b9f7231658bf69fa&p=437777&postcount=26 |
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| 11:06.49 | pupnik | that might be the issue you have |
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| 11:11.25 | Ex-Opesa | pupnik; I missed that one. and its #26, dang. Thanks. I will copy that file on my device now. |
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| 11:14.25 | pupnik | almost deserves its own thread just to be more findable |
| 11:15.53 | Ex-Opesa | pupnik: Thanks the numbers work fine. =) |
| 11:16.35 | Ex-Opesa | pupnik: I guess we can add "keyb rover.sys us" in dosbox's config file to automate things right? |
| 11:18.11 | Ex-Opesa | pupnik: okay it works. Everything is fine. |
| 11:18.46 | pupnik | yes |
| 11:18.53 | pupnik | :) thanks to javispedro |
| 11:18.59 | pupnik | he spent the time to create that keyboard map |
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| 11:21.24 | Ex-Opesa | Indeed. =) |
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| 11:58.18 | Ex-Opesa | Is there any NX Client available for n900? |
| 11:58.24 | ZogG | frals, i found out i can manage more than 10% discount on nice hotel if you come, so talk to me before you come |
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| 12:18.10 | Jaffa | Got it. |
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| 12:26.47 | Jaffa | X-Fade: andre__: bugs.maemo.org is 500 Server erroring.... |
| 12:27.13 | andre__ | uhm |
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| 12:27.27 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Checking. |
| 12:27.57 | andre__ | I asked Ferenc to apply one patch, but that's very likely not the problem :-P |
| 12:28.57 | V13 | (famous last words) |
| 12:29.05 | Jaffa | Sure ;-) |
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| 12:30.14 | V13 | are there python opengl bindings for maemo ? |
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| 12:30.43 | X-Fade | andre__: I think it is. |
| 12:31.23 | V13 | (not it shows a trace "software error" of perl cgi scripts |
| 12:31.27 | V13 | (not == now) |
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| 12:33.06 | V13 | (ok it's back) |
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| 12:37.50 | andre__ | X-Fade, hmm |
| 12:38.29 | andre__ | X-Fade, shall I forward the patch to you, or something? |
| 12:39.08 | X-Fade | andre__: Nah, ferenc has is covered I guess. |
| 12:39.18 | andre__ | ok |
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| 13:13.27 | MohammadAG | waves |
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| 13:15.27 | alterego | Hey MohammadAG |
| 13:15.34 | alterego | writes another list delegate. |
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| 13:32.10 | MohammadAG | hey alterego |
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| 13:37.13 | alterego | Aloha |
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| 13:38.55 | alterego | Model view stuff is so much nicer in Qt than Gtk |
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| 13:42.32 | alterego | Starting to get a sense of accomplishment now Columbus is kind of where I intended it to be. |
| 13:43.30 | BCMM | alterego: which is? |
| 13:43.36 | BCMM | i mean, what does it do now? |
| 13:43.47 | alterego | The same it always did. |
| 13:43.55 | BCMM | ok, what does it do then? |
| 13:44.11 | alterego | Though with the added trips feature it's a lot more usable. |
| 13:44.27 | alterego | It tries to be a handheld GPS in a similar way to a Garmin |
| 13:44.44 | BCMM | hmmm i might have a look, thanks |
| 13:44.57 | alterego | But it also has nice features for streaming NMEA over bluetooth, or act as a usb serial device, can also stream over network. |
| 13:45.18 | alterego | BCMM: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html |
| 13:46.43 | alterego | Think I'll move "Options" into "Tools" as having more than 4 menu items annoys me. |
| 13:51.30 | Tsuyo | Is there an Ovi Suite equavilant for Linux? |
| 13:51.49 | Tsuyo | As far as i see, Ovi Suite doesn't provide a Linux version. |
| 13:51.51 | chx | baahhahahahaha |
| 13:52.03 | chx | Linux, what's this "Linux" thing you talk about, noone uses Linux. |
| 13:52.21 | Tsuyo | Seriously. You don't have to treat me as an idiot. |
| 13:52.31 | chx | j/k |
| 13:52.44 | chx | i am typing this from Kubuntu :) |
| 13:53.01 | Tsuyo | Arch here. |
| 13:53.10 | chx | In reality, if you put youself in Nokia's shoes, they will *think* the same |
| 13:53.42 | Tsuyo | I liked the Music Library in the Ovi Suite. Easy managing of my music library too. |
| 13:53.45 | chx | what they did not realize is that the N900 is a Linux computer and a TON of them will go to Linux people like me who couldnt wait to have Linux in their respective pockets. |
| 13:53.50 | alterego | Tsuyo: is there something specifically yo uwant from Ovi? |
| 13:54.07 | alterego | chx: they did realise that. |
| 13:54.13 | chx | alterego: uh rly? |
| 13:54.24 | alterego | In fact we were always the target audience up until the N900 |
| 13:54.28 | Tsuyo | chx: This. alterego: Yeah, the music and the contact syncing stuff |
| 13:54.50 | alterego | Tsuyo: Well, contact syncing you can use open sync with a bit of playing |
| 13:54.52 | Tsuyo | I don't get it. Nokia had a gread idea, and is destroying it again. |
| 13:55.11 | Tsuyo | I'll check out open sync. |
| 13:55.22 | GAN900 | Tsuyo, that's what they do. |
| 13:55.28 | alterego | and Music management, I've not used that in Ovi Suite so I don't know what it's like, but maybe something like rhythmbox? |
| 13:55.41 | Tsuyo | rhythmbox would be great, yes. |
| 13:56.01 | alterego | tbh, I've not used Ovi Suite ;) |
| 13:56.05 | alterego | Not with the N900 anyway |
| 13:56.25 | Tsuyo | I don't want to boot windows, just to update my phone. |
| 13:57.20 | piggz | Tsuyo: amarok is also pretty clever when syncing music to devices |
| 13:57.32 | alterego | piggz: yeah, amarok if you're using KDE :) |
| 13:57.40 | piggz | (he says while listening to music in bangarang ;) |
| 13:57.46 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:57.49 | Tsuyo | xfce4 here. Don't want to download the whole KDE stuff :< |
| 13:57.57 | alterego | I should have a go with rhythmbox and the N900 myself actually .. |
| 13:58.25 | Tsuyo | I think this entry will help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_media_content_onto_your_tablet |
| 13:58.42 | alterego | :) |
| 13:59.04 | alterego | Thing is, I generally use sftp integration in gnome to copy stuff to/from the device. |
| 13:59.30 | alterego | It only gets used in mass storage mode when I'm plugging it into my TV to watch a movie or something that's been recorded on there. |
| 14:00.53 | BCMM | same, but with konqueror |
| 14:01.02 | piggz | same but with dolphin :) |
| 14:01.09 | BCMM | (if you're doing that and haven't set up SSH keys to do it passwordlessly, do so) |
| 14:01.38 | Tsuyo | One negative point at the n900 is: MKV. |
| 14:01.51 | Tsuyo | There are external decoders, but these are not hardware supported. |
| 14:02.03 | Tsuyo | Also, it can just play videos under the size of the lcd |
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| 14:03.06 | piggz | well, i dont use it much for video, that why i have a 40"tv and pch ;) |
| 14:05.07 | Tsuyo | I neither have a 40" nor some kind of DVD Player or a external drive for that. |
| 14:05.29 | Tsuyo | I thought connecting the n900 to my device would replace some kind of these things |
| 14:05.32 | RST38h | well. moo. |
| 14:05.34 | Tsuyo | tv* |
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| 14:05.48 | piggz | wtf....will.i.am ???? |
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| 14:07.27 | alterego | This is why I was saying I only use it in mass storage mode when it's plugged into my TV, because me TV plays media from USB drives. |
| 14:07.33 | alterego | It's not using the AV out cable ;) |
| 14:07.47 | alterego | So I get whatever resolution the video file is in. |
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| 14:10.08 | Tsuyo | I think i'm going to buy some kind of a player that can read USB |
| 14:10.26 | alterego | Tsuyo: do you have a games console? :) |
| 14:10.30 | alterego | My xbox does it as well. |
| 14:10.34 | Tsuyo | Nah |
| 14:10.39 | Tsuyo | I still bet on my PC ;) |
| 14:10.55 | Tsuyo | Since i still have one of these big TV's a new console wouldnt make any sence |
| 14:11.14 | alterego | There are some really cool, and reasonibly priced devices that plug into your HDMI port and have USB ports, ethernet, internal harddrives, all sorts of wicked features. |
| 14:11.34 | piggz | Tsuyo: depending on how mush u want to spend, you can get a pch clone for ~£100 |
| 14:11.39 | alterego | Heh, well, if your TV isn't HD, then you might as well use AV if the N900 can cope with it. |
| 14:12.34 | alterego | Tsuyo: check this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/225049 |
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| 14:12.48 | alterego | Tsuyo: that has HDMI out, _and_ svideo |
| 14:12.49 | Tsuyo | Phew. I think buying an XBox and install some kind of modded firmware, would be cheaper |
| 14:12.53 | alterego | So it'll work with older TVs |
| 14:13.12 | alterego | The quality isn't superb though. |
| 14:13.26 | alterego | It claims to handle 720p video well at least. |
| 14:13.58 | Tsuyo | After finishing my school and getting some kind of job, i will buy a HD-TV though. |
| 14:14.04 | piggz | what i use http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/eGreat-NMT-EG-M34A-HDMI-1-3-1080P-HD-Player-/290523250735?pt=Home_Theater_in_a_Box&hash=item43a489002f |
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| 14:14.14 | Tsuyo | Does it play mkv files? How about subtitles? |
| 14:14.27 | alterego | Tsuyo: for a bit more this is really good: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/229961 |
| 14:14.37 | alterego | That says it plays full HD mkv files |
| 14:14.45 | alterego | And outputs 1080p |
| 14:15.00 | alterego | So it'll be good even on a nice new HDTV (if you get one that can't do it in the future) :) |
| 14:15.38 | piggz | as does the egreat, but it is also networked and can stream from smb or upnp, shoutcast and a load of other web services |
| 14:15.38 | Tsuyo | Sounds great. I probably get this thing in germany a bit cheaper. |
| 14:16.05 | alterego | piggz: and how much is that? :) |
| 14:16.11 | alterego | This is 50 quid |
| 14:16.17 | piggz | £90 |
| 14:16.18 | alterego | A bleeding bargain :D |
| 14:16.25 | piggz | so, not bad really |
| 14:16.33 | alterego | I suppose not. |
| 14:17.08 | alterego | I think I'll get that for myself for my birthday .. |
| 14:17.20 | Tsuyo | this thing is called "Xenta Full HD MKV Media Player " ? |
| 14:17.28 | Tsuyo | even google shopping doesn't know this thing |
| 14:17.28 | alterego | Tsuyo: yeah |
| 14:17.38 | alterego | Heh |
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| 14:17.49 | piggz | i find hd movies need to be on a local drive, streaming hd over my network mostly works, but whenever 'water' is in the scene the netowrk cant handle it |
| 14:18.19 | alterego | Search for: "Xenta RCA L100 |
| 14:18.38 | piggz | alterego: if you do, you will want to find the 'cross-flash' firmware from last year, then you can upgrade to the latest pch-A110 firmware |
| 14:18.56 | alterego | I was talking about the Xenta box |
| 14:19.04 | piggz | :) |
| 14:19.12 | alterego | I've already got a media PC that does network streaming. |
| 14:19.13 | piggz | fair enough, cheap-skate :P |
| 14:19.58 | alterego | Well, it's kind of for my girlfriend, she can't work out how to use my media PC, so having this would mean she can just plugin a USB harddrive and she'd be set. |
| 14:20.16 | alterego | She can't even work out how to use the xbox to play videos, even though I've shown her about twenty times. |
| 14:20.34 | piggz | yeah, ive recommended similar things for friends |
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| 14:20.56 | piggz | you can get a full hd usb >hdmi for £20 |
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| 14:22.41 | Tsuyo | Sorry, pc freeze :D |
| 14:24.19 | Tsuyo | So, Google doesnt find "Xenta rca l100" |
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| 14:28.25 | alterego | :/ |
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| 14:56.40 | alterego | Hrm, dee hrm dee hrm .. |
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| 15:20.36 | MohammadAG | alterego, I just tested columbus for the first time properly |
| 15:20.38 | MohammadAG | it's awesome! |
| 15:20.43 | alterego | :) |
| 15:20.52 | alterego | Which version? |
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| 15:21.07 | alterego | The (slightly) broken one in -devel? (0.9.3) |
| 15:21.12 | MohammadAG | not sure, but I'm in jordan and GPS works a lot better |
| 15:21.37 | MohammadAG | yeah, 0.9.3-1 |
| 15:21.46 | alterego | Cool :) |
| 15:21.58 | alterego | 0.9.4 will be out sometime this week, hopefully tomorrow. |
| 15:22.12 | alterego | (I'm trying to do weekly updates as I'm on the sprint to V1 |
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| 15:40.07 | Tsuyo | alterego: Columbus? |
| 15:41.19 | alterego | Tsuyo: yeah, it's one of my apps. |
| 15:41.27 | Tsuyo | What does it do ? |
| 15:41.34 | alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html |
| 15:42.02 | Tsuyo | probably written in ruby, right? |
| 15:42.14 | alterego | No, Qt/C++ :) |
| 15:42.40 | Tsuyo | Ah. Well, i thought it because of rubyx.co.uk :p |
| 15:42.48 | Tsuyo | Working on my first app right now too |
| 15:43.13 | alterego | Well, the domain is inspired by The Ruby Programming Language yes :) |
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| 15:45.35 | alterego | MohammadAG: have you played with the waypoints? :) |
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| 15:46.27 | alterego | That version is about as useless as the previous versions as far as "navigation solution" is concerned, 0.9.4 has the facilities for storing and reloading trips/tracklogs, so it becomes a lot more usable in regards to being a handheld GPS receiver. |
| 15:46.53 | Tsuyo | alterego: are you using the mobility package? |
| 15:47.26 | alterego | Tsuyo: indeed |
| 15:47.38 | Tsuyo | Wich version? 1.1, 1.1beta? |
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| 15:47.42 | Tsuyo | 1.0* : < |
| 15:47.47 | alterego | I'm using pretty much every aspect of Qt tbh :D |
| 15:48.01 | alterego | Erm, the version for PR1.3 which I think is 1.0.1 |
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| 15:48.14 | ThreeM | syncig runs pretty well, afaik |
| 15:48.26 | alterego | ThreeM: sygic doesn't do what mine does. |
| 15:48.32 | Tsuyo | Ah, well. Same here. I tryed installing the 1.1 version. But i just got problems with it -.- |
| 15:48.33 | alterego | It's not a mapping program. |
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| 15:48.53 | ThreeM | ahh ok, im just reading the last few lines :) |
| 15:49.02 | alterego | (that's v2) *cough* |
| 15:49.49 | alterego | tbh, I'm just writing the program because I want to do it :) |
| 15:50.41 | edheldil | alterego: don't forget waypoint projection ;-) |
| 15:51.27 | alterego | edheldil: ? |
| 15:51.37 | piggz | alterego: columbus is v beautiful..what do you use for the graphs? |
| 15:51.55 | alterego | piggz: I draw them myself, they're all custom widgets. |
| 15:52.52 | piggz | alterego: im writing a gps app atm too, but not a patch on yours |
| 15:53.22 | edheldil | alterego: I mean, implement the waypoint projection if you haven't already ... |
| 15:53.32 | alterego | edheldil: what's waypoint projection? |
| 15:53.36 | piggz | it integrates with the everytrail web service to upload/download tracks |
| 15:53.44 | alterego | piggz: neat :) |
| 15:56.15 | edheldil | it creates a waypoint or moves the current one specified distance in a specified direction. e.g. 20km in 130 degress |
| 15:56.33 | edheldil | alterego: what is the url? |
| 15:56.38 | alterego | Ah, right. |
| 15:56.44 | alterego | No, I don't do that, interesting idea though. |
| 15:56.58 | alterego | What's the use of that then? |
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| 15:57.47 | edheldil | I am not sure, outside of Geocaching or some other navigation based games |
| 15:58.01 | alterego | Ah, right, that makes sense. |
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| 15:58.21 | alterego | I was thinking of doing a geocaching plugin. So that would be a feature for that :) |
| 15:58.27 | edheldil | fwiw, garmin has it |
| 15:59.07 | edheldil | alterego: sounds lovely :) |
| 15:59.26 | alterego | Actually, something like that would probably be better in the main waypoint UI |
| 15:59.36 | alterego | Thanks for the idea :) |
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| 16:00.05 | edheldil | np |
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| 16:03.13 | edheldil | I am not sure what is your target audience, but another option could be displaying/calculating magnetic variation and the likes. I have did st. like that long time ago when I was preparing for sea navigation exam |
| 16:04.07 | alterego | My audience is every one except motorists (i.e. not turn-by-turn) |
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| 16:04.46 | alterego | So yeah, sailing, hiking, cycling, skiing/snowboarding all that kind of thing |
| 16:05.16 | alterego | The ida behind columbus v1 is to implement a beautiful gps like a garmin handheld. |
| 16:05.25 | alterego | s/ida/idea/ |
| 16:05.56 | alterego | Well, beautiful and have features akin to a handheld like a garmin. |
| 16:06.20 | Jaffa | Columbus is pretty |
| 16:06.33 | alterego | I also do streaming, so you can turn the N900 into a network, bluetooth or usb serial gps dongle. |
| 16:06.38 | edheldil | well, the one I did was for educational purposes - displaying true/magnetic north, etc. Not for sailing per se |
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| 16:06.59 | edheldil | alterego: do you hacve screenshots somewhere? |
| 16:07.15 | alterego | Jaffa: I like to think so, that aspect was because I wanted to see what I could do with Qt :) |
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| 16:07.36 | alterego | edheldil: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html |
| 16:08.16 | alterego | There's a few more in the directory if you remove index.html from the url |
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| 16:09.54 | edheldil | ah, really beautiful, thanks |
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| 16:12.48 | alterego | bbiab |
| 16:14.09 | GAN900 | Jaffa, Ohio? ;) |
| 16:15.15 | Jaffa | GAN900: ? |
| 16:15.25 | GAN900 | Ah, nevermind. |
| 16:15.31 | GAN900 | is rattled this morning. |
| 16:16.08 | Jaffa | GAN900: Someone reputable whispered in your ear "The N9's going to have a 6502"? |
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| 16:24.43 | Ex-Opesa | Where to find .ipk files for preenv? O_o |
| 16:30.27 | alterego | Ex-Opesa: go away |
| 16:30.36 | alterego | Ex-Opesa: this isn't a warez channel |
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| 16:31.19 | Ex-Opesa | alterego: You mean we have to buy them? :S |
| 16:32.39 | lardman | what's an ipk file? |
| 16:32.46 | Ex-Opesa | I didn't know that. I have been reading wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/Preenv/FAQ#How_to_install_Preenv.3F |
| 16:32.55 | alterego | You need a) Palm Pre. b) Purchase the games from whatever web os store. |
| 16:33.18 | alterego | lardman: it's the packaging format that Palms' WebOS uses. |
| 16:33.28 | lardman | is that ipkg? |
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| 16:33.37 | Ex-Opesa | Alright |
| 16:33.40 | alterego | lardman: maybe, |
| 16:33.49 | alterego | What's ipkg? :D |
| 16:33.59 | lardman | just remembering OpenZaurus days |
| 16:34.09 | alterego | Ah yes |
| 16:34.20 | alterego | No, this is probably something slightly different. |
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| 16:35.01 | lardman | itsy package format, something like that |
| 16:35.19 | alterego | I'm just put off by the 'i' ^.^ |
| 16:35.22 | lardman | basically a deb with a different extension |
| 16:35.48 | lardman | ar wrapper with tar.gz internal data & control files |
| 16:35.54 | alterego | tries to remember what he was doing. |
| 16:36.00 | lardman | sorry! |
| 16:36.49 | chx | ipkg is used by openwrt no? |
| 16:37.13 | lardman | yes may well be |
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| 16:43.41 | [q^_^p] | hi some help to fix camara on kernel-power 46 |
| 16:46.04 | andre__ | [q^_^p], some question first? :) |
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| 16:52.55 | [q^_^p] | andre__ tell me |
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| 17:07.09 | scoobertron | how can I stop the media player treating my ringtones as songs? |
| 17:07.20 | scoobertron | I keep putting it on shuffle then thinking someone is calling me |
| 17:07.46 | alterego | Hahah |
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| 17:09.43 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 17:12.00 | andre__ | scoobertron: does not happen here. Music is in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ and ringtones are in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/Ringtones/ |
| 17:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: meathead screaming obscenities at me with his kid strapped to his back because he was confused about pricing. |
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| 17:15.40 | scoobertron | andre__: thanks, I will move them there and see what happens. for some reason I don't have the ringtones directory |
| 17:15.57 | andre__ | uh |
| 17:15.59 | scoobertron | (which might explain why I don't have the default ringtones any more |
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| 17:21.18 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 17:21.37 | ShadowJK | There are also some ringtones in /usr/share somewhere iirc |
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| 17:54.29 | BCMM | is there a microB extension that's capable of making Slashdot suck less? |
| 17:54.45 | BCMM | (this would mostly involve applying custom CSS) |
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| 17:55.13 | dneary_ | BCMM, You don't need a microB extension - you can just close the browser |
| 17:55.44 | BCMM | dneary_: i mean the layout, not the content! |
| 17:55.51 | BCMM | they just made stuff worse with a redesign today |
| 17:56.31 | piggz | BCMM: feedingit |
| 17:56.56 | dneary_ | BCMM, Ah |
| 17:57.47 | piggz | as the old saying goes, never read in a webbowser, what can be read in a feed reader ;) |
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| 19:00.42 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:03.21 | SpeedEvil | Is it possible to have two X servers? |
| 19:03.44 | SpeedEvil | Or ratehr - two X servers on the n900 with maemo and something else? |
| 19:04.10 | johnsq | how much you want, google Xephyr |
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| 19:05.07 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: depends on your "something else" :p |
| 19:05.36 | SpeedEvil | johnsq: I was envisioning something like x -- :2 |
| 19:05.39 | SpeedEvil | X |
| 19:05.43 | SpeedEvil | which works on my deskgop |
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| 19:06.28 | SpeedEvil | Err - no -- |
| 19:06.52 | luke-jr | startx -- :2 |
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| 19:08.52 | SpeedEvil | What's this new-fangled startx? |
| 19:08.54 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:09.03 | alterego | Heh |
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| 19:11.43 | johnsq | clone attack |
| 19:12.28 | Proteous | if this was efnet that would get you a temp ban |
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| 19:19.55 | alterego | just wrote a columbus plugin to open your current location in google maps. |
| 19:20.03 | alterego | I should make the plugin interface scriptable .. |
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| 19:21.58 | SpeedEvil | how the hell do you get my location? |
| 19:22.01 | SpeedEvil | hides. |
| 19:22.19 | alterego | SpeedEvil: because I've installed spyware into columbus :O |
| 19:22.24 | alterego | Kidding, I mean my location :P |
| 19:22.33 | alterego | So you can always know where I am ^.^ |
| 19:22.51 | kerio | i always know where i am ^.^ |
| 19:23.01 | kerio | at home, in front of my computer |
| 19:23.09 | alterego | Heh |
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| 19:31.38 | franz_ | anyone with their N900 here? could anyone check if /usr/share/applications/hildon-notification is supposed to be empty? |
| 19:31.47 | franz_ | well, it has a single '.empty' file |
| 19:33.14 | b0unc3 | franz_: same here |
| 19:33.20 | franz_ | ah, thanks |
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| 19:49.50 | Proteous | wherever you go, there you are |
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| 20:00.39 | alterego | So, I added the ability to open your current gps location in the web browser through google maps. |
| 20:00.52 | alterego | But google maps isn't that great on the N900 |
| 20:01.26 | chx | alterego: URL? |
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| 20:02.00 | alterego | chx: for what? |
| 20:02.09 | chx | alterego: code? |
| 20:03.05 | alterego | It's a plugin for my app. |
| 20:03.58 | alterego | Well, this is the code that does it: http://pastie.org/1500244 |
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| 20:09.16 | _prole | can someone tell a noob how to change default translation of the terminal to utf-8 |
| 20:09.28 | _prole | please |
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| 20:29.41 | trumee | anybody knows lxp's email address? |
| 20:29.58 | trumee | The guy who write the wifi drivers. |
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| 20:51.14 | _trine | trumee, |
| 20:51.28 | _trine | you can probably contact him here |
| 20:51.31 | _trine | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=675621 |
| 20:51.36 | _trine | hes lxp |
| 20:53.05 | _trine | http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/2010/05/25/updated-monitor-mode-patch-for-n900/ |
| 20:54.15 | trumee | _trine: thanks. |
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| 20:54.53 | trumee | _trine: i donated to him yesterday, but he hasnt send me the download link |
| 20:55.25 | _trine | well I am sure he will he seems an honest guy |
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| 20:57.22 | frals | they all do until they scam you ;D |
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| 21:08.25 | korhojoa | Hey guys, you know what's up when the n900 does this thing that you type, but it outputs the meta-key'd version of the input ? |
| 21:09.08 | alterego | press the function button again |
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| 21:09.32 | alterego | Sounds like you've accidentally fn locked it by dounle pressing |
| 21:10.53 | korhojoa | nope |
| 21:10.58 | korhojoa | no such thing going on here |
| 21:11.04 | korhojoa | i'm just typing, and it suddenly does that |
| 21:11.33 | korhojoa | I find myself typing H3l:o |
| 21:11.44 | korhojoa | and it's a bit frustrating to notice it after you've sent the message |
| 21:15.02 | _trine | hey he has even given his name |
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| 21:33.26 | timeless_xchat | sighs |
| 21:33.33 | timeless_xchat | can't perform operation |
| 21:33.38 | timeless_xchat | general error |
| 21:33.43 | timeless_xchat | kicks skype |
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| 21:45.30 | trumee | guys, i have received the wifi drivers from lxp and would like to use them with my own custom kernel rather than using kernel power. anybody knows what i should do with compat.tar.gz, compat-wireless-2.6.tar.gz and wireless-testing.tar.bz2 |
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| 21:48.04 | trumee | MohammadAG: any idea? |
| 21:49.27 | ZogG | alterego, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=929367#post929367 |
| 21:49.35 | ZogG | Jaffa, ^ |
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| 22:28.38 | trumee | what am i doing wrong? http://www.pastie.org/1500682 |
| 22:30.21 | chx | is there a include/linux/compat-2.6.33.h file? |
| 22:31.22 | trumee | chx: yes |
| 22:31.58 | trumee | chx: although there is no a/include/linux/compat-2.6.33.h file |
| 22:32.11 | trumee | chx: but -p1 should have got rid of a/ |
| 22:32.19 | chx | yes |
| 22:32.44 | chx | nods slowly |
| 22:33.00 | chx | why line 18? |
| 22:33.04 | chx | what's line 1-17 |
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| 22:34.32 | trumee | chx: this is the patch, http://www.pastie.org/1500712 |
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| 22:35.21 | chx | so the first hunk fails |
| 22:35.24 | chx | the second file is not found |
| 22:35.48 | chx | it's unleikly you are in the correc tree |
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| 23:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: you solved your issue with Fn? |
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| 23:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: since 1.3 there's that annoying auto-symbol thing, so maybe you pressed the "e" and 2. "l" to long |
| 23:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: ...where too long also could mean your N900's clock is running too fast so the timeout for long keypress triggers too soon |
| 23:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: you are OCing the device? Or have ntpd or similar time adjusting sw running? |
| 23:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: check your clock |
| 23:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: (also your internal clock ;-D ) |
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| 23:51.25 | MohammadAG | waves |
| 23:57.36 | MohammadAG | do 3G USB modems work on Linux |
| 23:57.43 | jacekowski | some do |
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| 23:57.50 | jacekowski | ndiswrapper helps sometimes |
| 23:58.11 | MohammadAG | and is there a way to share a connection via wlan? |
| 23:58.20 | MohammadAG | or ethernet |
