| 00:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | modulo ~optification |
| 00:00.15 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 00:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | but that's not related here |
| 00:00.22 | MohammadAG | well |
| 00:00.27 | MohammadAG | where else would one write? |
| 00:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | hell, to /home maybe |
| 00:00.48 | MohammadAG | as root? |
| 00:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | yes, even as root |
| 00:01.01 | Psi | heh, got samba/apache2/php5/cups working on n900, what else can i overload it with |
| 00:01.03 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 00:01.29 | MohammadAG | start a hosting service |
| 00:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | though root's home usually is /root |
| 00:01.35 | jacekowski | good question |
| 00:01.41 | jacekowski | how is that cell broadcast working |
| 00:01.46 | jacekowski | cell just sends it every so often |
| 00:01.47 | MohammadAG | /root is on / |
| 00:01.54 | jacekowski | and that's all? |
| 00:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes |
| 00:02.32 | jonwil | ok, so going over my list, WiFi signal strength is already made available, someone with UI skills I dont yet have would need to write the status bar plugin for it. |
| 00:02.52 | jonwil | reverse engineering telepathy-ring is a waste of time |
| 00:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I told MohammadAG about /ver/run. Seems he nce again doesn't like to listen |
| 00:03.14 | MohammadAG | woah woah woah |
| 00:03.16 | jonwil | since we can hook the dbus interface above telepathy instead |
| 00:03.21 | MohammadAG | did I say I write to /opt? |
| 00:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: status bar applet for WIFI is closed, so replacing it by a better version is hard or even impossible |
| 00:04.54 | jonwil | ok, which applet is it? |
| 00:05.03 | MohammadAG | don't make me port network-manager |
| 00:05.11 | MohammadAG | it's related to the closed icd2 |
| 00:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG should know it |
| 00:05.23 | SpeedEvil | Can't you simply uninstall the status-bar-applet? |
| 00:05.58 | MohammadAG | /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/connui-internet-status-menu-item.so |
| 00:06.10 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, or move the desktop file, same effect |
| 00:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | thanks MohammadAG |
| 00:06.24 | MohammadAG | anytime |
| 00:06.40 | MohammadAG | /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/connui-cellular-status-item.so |
| 00:06.47 | MohammadAG | is the 3G one |
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| 00:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | libovipromotionwidget.so WAAAH, rm -fffff |
| 00:09.17 | jonwil | ok, so for the wifi thing would we need to reverse engineer connui-internet-status-menu-item.so or would it be enough to just write something new and remove the old plugin? |
| 00:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | good question |
| 00:09.38 | MohammadAG | write new, replace it |
| 00:10.01 | MohammadAG | of course, we don't know where icd2 lives... |
| 00:10.03 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: assuming tha tthe thing driving it does not object to it going missing |
| 00:10.14 | MohammadAG | exactly |
| 00:10.20 | MohammadAG | let's try |
| 00:10.36 | Jeenx | my n900 is tethered to my laptop in order to get internet. is there a way show whats on the phone on the laptop? |
| 00:10.52 | MohammadAG | removed |
| 00:10.58 | Jeenx | did that amke any sense? |
| 00:11.07 | jonwil | its just a status bar widget that calls functions to get the status |
| 00:11.12 | jonwil | or may register callbacks |
| 00:11.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: now I guess try to boot to see if you hit any dogs |
| 00:11.14 | MohammadAG | need a quicky |
| 00:11.28 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, R&D, doesn't make a diff |
| 00:11.31 | MohammadAG | but |
| 00:11.38 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:11.41 | MohammadAG | what's the command to open connection dialog? |
| 00:12.00 | MohammadAG | it's on the dbus page |
| 00:12.33 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, actually |
| 00:12.37 | MohammadAG | maemo should boot |
| 00:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | Jeenx: try sftp://rot@n900 |
| 00:12.44 | MohammadAG | and networking will work |
| 00:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | Jeenx: try sftp://root@<n900-IP> |
| 00:13.00 | MohammadAG | it already works without it (see h-e-n + ethernet) |
| 00:13.06 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I was meaning - what if ICD is tied to it more than we thought, and ICD has a watchdog |
| 00:13.19 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 00:13.24 | jonwil | there is no reason why ICD cares about the UI layers above |
| 00:13.28 | MohammadAG | device would bootloop |
| 00:13.30 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: No, there isn't. |
| 00:13.38 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: That doesn't mean it's not the case. |
| 00:13.43 | Jeenx | DocScrutinizer: on the phone or the laptop? |
| 00:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | on laptop |
| 00:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | Jeenx: check usb-networking wikipage |
| 00:14.41 | MohammadAG | k |
| 00:14.43 | Jeenx | thanx |
| 00:14.44 | MohammadAG | time to kill icd2 |
| 00:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | kill, pussycat, kill! |
| 00:15.37 | pupnik | no no. "Faster pussycat! Kill, kill!" |
| 00:15.40 | MohammadAG | am I here? |
| 00:15.42 | pupnik | is the proper incarnation |
| 00:15.48 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no |
| 00:15.57 | MohammadAG | killing icd2 restarts telepathy |
| 00:16.37 | MohammadAG | test |
| 00:16.40 | MohammadAG | ~ping |
| 00:16.41 | infobot | ~pong |
| 00:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~ding |
| 00:17.05 | infobot | dong |
| 00:17.15 | MohammadAG | ~ping |
| 00:17.15 | infobot | ~pong |
| 00:17.31 | SpeedEvil | ~king |
| 00:17.31 | infobot | i guess king is Dessimat0r |
| 00:17.32 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 00:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~pong |
| 00:17.39 | infobot | ~ping |
| 00:17.39 | MohammadAG | telepathy continues to run |
| 00:17.41 | MohammadAG | M680-03-4_RD_001:~# while true; do killall -9 icd2; done |
| 00:17.48 | MohammadAG | nice hostname, i must say |
| 00:18.10 | MohammadAG | couldn't resist, sorry |
| 00:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
| 00:18.19 | MohammadAG | it looks so much geekier than Nokia-N900 |
| 00:18.28 | MohammadAG | anyway |
| 00:18.36 | MohammadAG | icd2 can be replaced |
| 00:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900 and t900 here ;-) |
| 00:18.58 | MohammadAG | but |
| 00:19.02 | MohammadAG | the first time i killed it |
| 00:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | t900 sounds like arnold |
| 00:19.10 | MohammadAG | wlan0 disassociated and associated again |
| 00:19.56 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:20.05 | MohammadAG | how would one do a 3G connection? |
| 00:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | err? |
| 00:20.17 | MohammadAG | or would a rewrite cover that too? |
| 00:20.20 | jonwil | looking at connui-internet-status-menu-item.so, it doesnt look insanely hard to clone. I think I might try it, it doesnt seem to be calling that many undocumented calls |
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| 00:20.50 | MohammadAG | if it's easy to initiate a 3G connection |
| 00:20.55 | MohammadAG | then i'd say rewrite icd2 |
| 00:21.03 | MohammadAG | wl1251 is open |
| 00:21.08 | MrBawb | it's not too hard, as long as the other parts stay the same |
| 00:21.16 | jonwil | no, icd2 would be a pain in the ass to rewrite |
| 00:21.26 | jonwil | it talks to a lot of closed low level libs |
| 00:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | nonono, icd2 has lots of really (this time I mean it) cute stuff to handle connections and connection handover |
| 00:22.04 | MohammadAG | what's the dbus to open connui dialog :P |
| 00:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | which dialog? |
| 00:22.49 | jonwil | yeah icd2 seems line one of those things whereby even if you reverse engineer it, you will be forever finding corner cases you missed in your reverse engineering |
| 00:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: exactly |
| 00:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | and Nokia seems to be really proud of that paticular bit of proprietary IP |
| 00:23.59 | jonwil | wonder what meego is doing there? |
| 00:24.07 | jonwil | checks meego repos |
| 00:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | network manager I guess |
| 00:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | Mnetworkmanager :-P |
| 00:26.09 | MohammadAG | bad news |
| 00:26.18 | jonwil | bad news what? |
| 00:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | N900 exploded XD |
| 00:26.49 | MohammadAG | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd_ui /com/nokia/icd_ui com.nokia.icd_ui.show_conn_dlg boolean:false |
| 00:26.56 | MohammadAG | returns no saved connections |
| 00:27.10 | MohammadAG | actually no connections at all |
| 00:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | that's expected bahviour? |
| 00:27.20 | MohammadAG | oh right |
| 00:27.22 | MohammadAG | facepalms |
| 00:27.26 | MohammadAG | i killed icd2 |
| 00:27.28 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 00:28.22 | jonwil | ok, so reverse engineering icd2 is out of the question (although some of its plugins may be fesable if there is a legitimate use case for cloning them) |
| 00:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | umm, yep |
| 00:29.05 | jonwil | any of the icd2 plugins worth reverse engineering? |
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| 00:29.48 | jonwil | either the network or policy plugins? |
| 00:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | icd2 licence change request might work though, if we got a real itch to scratch |
| 00:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | policy, YEAH |
| 00:30.24 | jonwil | I think we could write our own policy plugin if we wanted to |
| 00:30.25 | jacekowski | hmm, are you sure that cell broadcast is just pushed from tower |
| 00:30.32 | jacekowski | because it looks like you may have to register to recieve it |
| 00:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | policies are braindead, no way to implement nice policies |
| 00:30.42 | MohammadAG | ok |
| 00:30.43 | MohammadAG | screw replacing icd2 |
| 00:30.43 | MohammadAG | it got messy |
| 00:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | s/nice/smart/. |
| 00:31.04 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you need to register with the modem to tell it you are interested in CBS |
| 00:31.11 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: so it sends you them |
| 00:31.14 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 00:31.29 | MohammadAG | status bar applet can be easily replaced |
| 00:31.37 | MohammadAG | I could do it, but I'm a gtk noob |
| 00:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: subscription to CBC is going to modem, so it starts listening |
| 00:32.02 | MohammadAG | Do I see any volunteers |
| 00:32.14 | MohammadAG | hears javispedro, even while he's offline |
| 00:32.43 | MrBawb | my libicd-3g-ipv6 module could be changed to do ipv4, I don't know if that's really useful though |
| 00:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: SMS-CB definitely is a connectionless point-to-many protocoll |
| 00:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: braodcast at its best |
| 00:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I'm absolutely sure we won't run short on topics for your RE todo list :-) |
| 00:35.15 | jonwil | ok so for icd2 we have the icd2 binary, icd2 policy plugins, network_eap plugin, network_gprs plugin, network_ipv4 plugin, network_wlan plugin, network_wps plugin, libicd_settings, libicd_log, libicd_dbus |
| 00:35.25 | jonwil | Any of those worth doing? |
| 00:35.40 | jonwil | I dont think a license change request for icd2 is likely to go anywhere |
| 00:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 00:35.56 | MohammadAG | it is |
| 00:36.00 | MohammadAG | very likely |
| 00:36.05 | jonwil | why do you say that? |
| 00:36.06 | MohammadAG | points to trash |
| 00:36.11 | jonwil | :) |
| 00:36.26 | jonwil | ok, so any of those bits of icd worth trying to clone? |
| 00:36.47 | MohammadAG | clone the status bar applet first |
| 00:36.50 | MohammadAG | it's easy to do |
| 00:37.00 | SpeedEvil | And beneficial. |
| 00:37.02 | jonwil | yeah its on the list |
| 00:37.08 | MohammadAG | also |
| 00:37.08 | SpeedEvil | As wifi status would be nice |
| 00:37.12 | MohammadAG | add signal |
| 00:37.13 | jonwil | but is there anything in icd2 worth adding to the list? |
| 00:37.16 | MohammadAG | yea |
| 00:37.22 | SpeedEvil | A nice little varying antenna, and maybe colour for open/closed |
| 00:37.25 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 00:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | and I couldn't say from those names you listed which of them are the interesting ones |
| 00:37.49 | jonwil | ok, so I wont put any of icd2 stuff on the list then |
| 00:38.08 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, or the same icon |
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| 00:38.18 | MohammadAG | but modify the waves |
| 00:38.18 | jonwil | the "good bits" will be in the icd2 binary and maybe the libicd_xxx libraries |
| 00:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | depends on usecases and what they would touch |
| 00:38.27 | MohammadAG | make it 5-waves |
| 00:38.30 | MohammadAG | show signal |
| 00:38.32 | jonwil | none of which are worth cloning |
| 00:38.36 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: that's what I mean |
| 00:38.41 | jonwil | I mean none of which are clonable |
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| 00:38.42 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 00:38.45 | jonwil | icd2 daemon is too hard |
| 00:38.55 | jonwil | policy plugins could be done |
| 00:39.01 | jonwil | but do we have a use case for cloning those? |
| 00:39.05 | MohammadAG | need to learn C and Gtk |
| 00:39.08 | SpeedEvil | ICD doesn't let you do all sorts of potentially interesting stuff. |
| 00:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: yes, have smarter policies |
| 00:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: priorities |
| 00:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: conditional priorities even |
| 00:39.48 | SpeedEvil | For example, you can't tether the phone to your computers internet. |
| 00:40.13 | jonwil | so the policy plugins are what control network priorities and stuff? |
| 00:40.15 | MohammadAG | but you can tether your computer's inte... nevermind |
| 00:40.18 | SpeedEvil | And PAN is entirely unsupported |
| 00:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | yes, a very common unsupported one |
| 00:40.38 | MrBawb | SpeedEvil: the n900 getting internet access via pan? |
| 00:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | (tether to PC's internet) |
| 00:40.46 | SpeedEvil | MrBawb: in principle |
| 00:40.59 | MrBawb | getting internet via usb should be possible with just a icd plugin |
| 00:41.02 | SpeedEvil | MrBawb: Or indeed, tethering through bluetooth on another phone |
| 00:41.28 | SpeedEvil | Or via host-mode, through a dongle. |
| 00:41.48 | MrBawb | getting internet via pan is also possible via an icd plugin |
| 00:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | and managing priorities for all of those |
| 00:42.00 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 00:42.06 | SpeedEvil | In many ways the UI is harder than the low-level |
| 00:42.12 | SpeedEvil | UI and policy framework |
| 00:42.27 | MohammadAG | you know |
| 00:42.34 | MohammadAG | Nokia spent time on Maemo 5 |
| 00:42.43 | MohammadAG | sadly, most of that time went to waste |
| 00:42.47 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:43.13 | MohammadAG | the more i compare stock mediaplayer to mine |
| 00:43.19 | MohammadAG | the more things I find |
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| 00:43.44 | MohammadAG | the small details they looked at are hard to spot, and hard to code |
| 00:43.49 | MohammadAG | like if you notice |
| 00:44.08 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 00:44.09 | MohammadAG | the now playing indicator is destoryed/hidden+stopped on each window switch |
| 00:44.14 | jacekowski | Jan 22 00:43:48 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[2537]: ISI_SMS .597141> isiclient_sms_run(): SMS_STATE_START (sms_pp_routing_req, sms_gsm_cb_routing_req, [sms_storage_status_update_req], sim_sms_req_read_parameter) |
| 00:44.22 | jacekowski | Jan 22 00:43:48 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[2537]: ISI_SMS .604588> resp_cell_broadcast_subscription(): Incoming cell broadcast receive status:0 OK |
| 00:44.24 | MohammadAG | and recreated on each window |
| 00:44.25 | jacekowski | Jan 22 00:43:48 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[2537]: ISI_SMS .604832> resp_sms_subscription(): Incoming sms receive status:0 OK |
| 00:44.26 | SpeedEvil | ] |
| 00:44.54 | SpeedEvil | The coding style and choice of which bits to open in maemo makes sense. |
| 00:44.57 | MohammadAG | now playing window is always recreated, a bit sad |
| 00:45.19 | MohammadAG | time and memory waster |
| 00:45.38 | SpeedEvil | If you start out from the perspective of 'Ok - we want to make an openish phone, but we absolutely don't want to allow other phone makers to gain anything from what the community codes'. |
| 00:46.02 | SpeedEvil | 'What bits do we need to close, and how should we obscure them to make them hard to reverse engineer'. |
| 00:46.14 | SpeedEvil | reverse engineer by the community. |
| 00:46.42 | SpeedEvil | A large number of interconnected non-documented daemons, that all talk to each other, and you can't replace piecemeal - is pretty much spot-on for that. |
| 00:47.02 | jacekowski | can anybody check if csd has watchdog registered with dsme? |
| 00:47.06 | jacekowski | or some other nasty stuff |
| 00:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: o.O |
| 00:47.33 | MohammadAG | kill it |
| 00:47.44 | MohammadAG | if it starts again / reboots device |
| 00:47.48 | jacekowski | i don't want to reboot my phone |
| 00:47.51 | jacekowski | that's why i'm asking |
| 00:47.59 | MohammadAG | What's the binary name? |
| 00:48.03 | jacekowski | csd |
| 00:48.11 | SpeedEvil | grep -r csd /etc/rc.d |
| 00:48.26 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: it does all seem like a bit of a waste of effort - don't we already have a open set of daemons that rely on each other? (network manager, HAL, etc.) |
| 00:48.29 | MohammadAG | just stop it |
| 00:48.33 | MohammadAG | stop csd |
| 00:48.39 | BCMM | (yes i know HAL is dieing) |
| 00:48.42 | MohammadAG | same as bme |
| 00:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yep, exactly (obscure...) |
| 00:49.03 | jacekowski | i don't want to stop it |
| 00:49.14 | jacekowski | can anybody just kill it and tell me if it reboots a phone |
| 00:49.50 | MohammadAG | it starts again |
| 00:49.55 | MohammadAG | so yes, there's a watchdog |
| 00:50.05 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: It's not a waste from the right perspective. |
| 00:50.13 | MohammadAG | killing it = no sim icon |
| 00:50.40 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: the perspective is making damn sure that china can't use stuff the community develops to make a nice usable smartphone running a maemo derivative. |
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| 00:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's what bites their own arses now, for meego XP |
| 00:51.25 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: and to sidetrack community effort away from reimplementing the stuff that might help them, as it's too hard, letting them do easy stuff that doesn't help a third party manufacurer at all. |
| 00:51.28 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yep |
| 00:51.46 | SpeedEvil | They are trying to be IBM - pre-breakup. |
| 00:51.48 | SpeedEvil | Hey! |
| 00:52.00 | SpeedEvil | IBM pre-breakup also sold most of its computers through a leasing model. |
| 00:52.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:52.14 | SpeedEvil | (though admittedly they leased them directly) |
| 00:52.19 | pupnik | would MS-DOS have taken the market by storm without the clones? |
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| 00:52.46 | pupnik | maybe meego needs cheap hardware to succeed |
| 00:52.50 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: I mean IBM - back when IBM used to not sell mainframes. They would only lease you one - the software came free. Often with source. |
| 00:52.59 | pupnik | ah ok |
| 00:53.22 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Closed source really took off (as I understand it) once this went away, and you actually had to buy software. |
| 00:54.06 | pupnik | hmm... |
| 00:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | I just find it incredibly lame of Nokia to tell us a bout their interest in safety, differentiation, safety, quality, when it comes to rationale why some bits need to keep closed. I see the Nokia internal structures and hirarchies causing such crap excuses to come and even believed by those spreading them, and I don't like it |
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| 00:58.09 | SpeedEvil | 'And of these, differentiation is king' |
| 00:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | the running gag of maemo "we can't open core apps, however crap and buggy they are. We want to differentiate (to the inferior)" XD |
| 01:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | ir short: "that's not a bug, that's a feature" |
| 01:01.08 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, btw have you seen this bug? wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bb52c - sending probe request |
| 01:01.16 | nox- | ap is maybe 2m away... |
| 01:01.45 | nox- | and when i see those i get them until i click disconnect and then connect again |
| 01:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | PSM |
| 01:01.51 | nox- | psm? |
| 01:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | power saving mode |
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| 01:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's a timing thing, based on exact scheduled slots of active time |
| 01:02.37 | nox- | hmm |
| 01:02.42 | nox- | is it fixable? |
| 01:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | if the AP doesn't implement it correctly, then that's probably what you'll get |
| 01:03.27 | nox- | oh its an ap thing... |
| 01:03.34 | nox- | well this is hotapd |
| 01:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: maybe your AP has config options you can tweak |
| 01:03.40 | nox- | hostapd even |
| 01:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | like freq of beacons sent |
| 01:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | also there seem to be parameters directly related to PSM - some AP allow tuning them |
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| 01:04.40 | nox- | oh no the beacons get sent, i see them in wireshark... |
| 01:04.50 | pupnik | wonder if you can get bacon-scent cologne |
| 01:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but the freq range is from 10/s .. 0.1/s |
| 01:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | even 50/s seens sometimes |
| 01:06.21 | jonwil | ok, so for ICD2, the policy plugins are on my todo list. The icd2 daemon is too hard. |
| 01:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: anyway you never should use hidden SSID |
| 01:06.37 | jonwil | The libraries (libicd_settings, libicd_dbus and libicd_log) are pointless |
| 01:06.45 | jonwil | since only icd2 uses them |
| 01:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | on none of your configured connections |
| 01:07.05 | jonwil | and the network plugins are useless since we can write our own if we need to |
| 01:07.07 | nox- | hmm |
| 01:08.06 | jonwil | btw there seems to be a libicd-network-usb package |
| 01:08.13 | jonwil | oh wait thats in extras-devel |
| 01:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: if you got one single connection configured with hidden SSID, then your WLAN in N900 needs to actively ping every AP with hidden SSID it detects -> TX -> battery consumption |
| 01:08.49 | nox- | aah |
| 01:09.28 | jacekowski | does anybody have info about content of that cbsms? |
| 01:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | well, it *might* try be a smartass and only ping the AP with correct MAC, but then that's not how connections are supposed to work - aiui |
| 01:10.20 | javispedro | clearly not as it won't store the mac |
| 01:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: data structure of the particular SMS? |
| 01:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: which content? which cbsms? |
| 01:11.16 | jacekowski | yes |
| 01:11.24 | jacekowski | dunno |
| 01:11.28 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/eGt5WzZE |
| 01:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | see wikipedia, cell broadcast |
| 01:11.34 | jacekowski | does this mean anything to you |
| 01:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's ost likely octet coded 7bit |
| 01:12.20 | jonwil | So you actually recieved a cell broadcast message on your N900? |
| 01:12.25 | jonwil | Or did you get it from some other phone? |
| 01:12.52 | jacekowski | it's on my phone |
| 01:12.56 | jacekowski | it's recieveing it |
| 01:13.05 | jacekowski | i just see that there is no handler installed for it |
| 01:13.15 | jacekowski | but it's getting as far as libsms.so |
| 01:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | it's obviously mentioning a tel number at start |
| 01:13.23 | jonwil | so the answer is that no DBUS handler is registered to recieve the relavent dbus information? |
| 01:13.33 | jacekowski | nope |
| 01:13.39 | jacekowski | it's low level |
| 01:14.03 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: So the modem can do it? |
| 01:14.05 | SpeedEvil | Great. |
| 01:14.08 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/ZrQRHSiR |
| 01:14.17 | jacekowski | jonwil: something like that |
| 01:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think that's a sms-cb |
| 01:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | it has a phone number |
| 01:14.46 | SpeedEvil | Oh - yeah |
| 01:14.54 | jonwil | I think for CBSMS all we need is to interrogate the IncomingCBS item |
| 01:15.02 | jonwil | its clearly some kind of dbus thing |
| 01:15.11 | jonwil | but how you talk to it I cant tell |
| 01:15.36 | SpeedEvil | That is t-mobile UKs SMSC |
| 01:15.40 | SpeedEvil | The phone number |
| 01:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'm still putting hope into 10870 and 8347 |
| 01:15.55 | jacekowski | what is that? |
| 01:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | bug 10870 |
| 01:16.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10870 Open source libsms and libsms-utils |
| 01:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | bug 8347 |
| 01:16.12 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 01:16.37 | MohammadAG | javispedro, kind of enough to donate a status menu app? |
| 01:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | go vote for it. Don't let quim gil close it as wontfix |
| 01:16.58 | SpeedEvil | SMSC is the SMS service centre. |
| 01:17.01 | jacekowski | is every network sendind cbsms? |
| 01:17.07 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: no |
| 01:17.16 | jacekowski | is t-mobile sending cbsms? |
| 01:17.17 | javispedro | MohammadAG: a "status menu app" of what? |
| 01:17.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, voting != fixing |
| 01:17.35 | MohammadAG | javispedro, just a "Internet connections" rewrite |
| 01:17.40 | javispedro | O.o |
| 01:17.49 | javispedro | Mer again? |
| 01:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not every |
| 01:18.24 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_service_center |
| 01:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | but a lot of the european ones, in one chan or another |
| 01:18.33 | jacekowski | i know what a smsc is |
| 01:18.35 | MohammadAG | javispedro, yes, muhahaha |
| 01:18.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, but seriously, can you? |
| 01:18.50 | jacekowski | thing is i don't know what to expect |
| 01:18.59 | jacekowski | is it message sent every couple seconds |
| 01:19.04 | jacekowski | is it even sent by t-mobile? |
| 01:19.12 | MohammadAG | It needs to get wifi AP name, call the connection dialog via DBus and when switched to 3G, get AP name |
| 01:19.14 | jacekowski | or i have to get prepaid simcard on another network |
| 01:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's great |
| 01:19.20 | MohammadAG | easy and straightforward |
| 01:19.32 | javispedro | not really |
| 01:19.36 | javispedro | there's the entire connection UI |
| 01:19.41 | MohammadAG | no |
| 01:19.45 | MohammadAG | that's not part of it |
| 01:19.54 | MohammadAG | i removed it here |
| 01:20.01 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what's great? |
| 01:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | a SMS coming in every few seconds - smells like SMS-CB |
| 01:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast |
| 01:20.36 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 01:20.38 | jacekowski | i don't have that |
| 01:20.45 | MohammadAG | javispedro, dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd_ui /com/nokia/icd_ui com.nokia.icd_ui.show_conn_dlg boolean:false |
| 01:20.46 | jacekowski | and i'm asking if it's what i should expect |
| 01:20.49 | MohammadAG | that calls the dialog |
| 01:20.57 | jacekowski | and if i should expect it on t-mobile |
| 01:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: >>>A Cell Broadcast message page comprises 82 octets, which, using the default character set, equates to 93 characters. Up to 15 of these pages may be concatenated to form a Cell Broadcast message. Each page of such a CB message will have the same message identifier (indicating the source of the message), and the same serial number. Using this information, the mobile telephone is able to identify and ignore broadcasts of already |
| 01:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | received messages. |
| 01:21.28 | jacekowski | i know that part |
| 01:21.55 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I'd do it, but I'm a gtk noob :P |
| 01:22.23 | jacekowski | ah |
| 01:22.28 | jacekowski | hmm, ok, crap |
| 01:22.32 | jacekowski | shit |
| 01:22.42 | jacekowski | no cell broadcast on t-mobile |
| 01:22.47 | Jartza | gtk is easy |
| 01:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: try to decode the octets to 7bit chars to see if that's some meanngful text. You can use the python code somewhere in wiki, on phone control iirc (sending SMS via dbus) |
| 01:23.39 | MohammadAG | Jartza, I hate C's syntax |
| 01:23.49 | MohammadAG | (this again...) |
| 01:23.56 | jacekowski | ekhm |
| 01:23.58 | Jartza | hmm |
| 01:23.58 | MohammadAG | hate translates to idk in my book |
| 01:24.04 | Jartza | I don't :) |
| 01:24.10 | jacekowski | i love C |
| 01:24.12 | javispedro | MohammadAG: completely non interested though. |
| 01:24.12 | jacekowski | and asm |
| 01:24.15 | BCMM | jacekowski: t-mob UK? |
| 01:24.18 | jacekowski | yes |
| 01:24.25 | Jartza | I hate C++. |
| 01:24.30 | MohammadAG | javispedro, i'll give you an N9 |
| 01:24.38 | MohammadAG | when it's out |
| 01:24.39 | Jartza | Qt is my only reason to use C++ :) |
| 01:24.49 | MohammadAG | I only know Qt :P |
| 01:25.15 | Jartza | C is nice. Simple enough. |
| 01:25.34 | BCMM | i'm just now learning C++ and Qt, and it seems pretty nice to me |
| 01:26.06 | Jartza | but I've only done just a bit of asm |
| 01:26.10 | BCMM | i like C, but felt like i was missing something a lot like a class to separate stuff into bits that break independently |
| 01:26.29 | MohammadAG | i hate the priv thingy in C |
| 01:26.41 | MohammadAG | how you define everything at the top |
| 01:26.49 | MohammadAG | and make an instance of that every time |
| 01:26.52 | Jartza | I wrote more asm when I was using C64 back in the times :) |
| 01:26.59 | MohammadAG | also, worrying about memory isn't my best skill |
| 01:27.21 | Jartza | nowadays just some simple initialization parts when doing "embedded" devel |
| 01:27.34 | BCMM | in much the same way that in the brain-dead BASIC variant i first learned to program, i felt that there was something missing which i later learned was a "function" |
| 01:27.36 | Jartza | like initializing the vectors for arm etc... |
| 01:28.13 | BCMM | (it only has subroutines that didn't take parameters) |
| 01:28.19 | Jartza | but I do write and teach C++ |
| 01:28.33 | Jartza | because of Qt |
| 01:28.34 | *** join/#maemo auenf (David@171.72.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 01:29.00 | Jartza | I wish I had more time |
| 01:29.10 | pupnik | MohammadAG: you might get more identifiable results if you attached a test image for people to photograph |
| 01:29.17 | Jartza | I could participate to meego somehow more |
| 01:29.48 | *** join/#maemo Gizmokid2005 (~Gizmokid2@vps.gizmokid2005.com) |
| 01:30.52 | Jartza | would be nice |
| 01:31.03 | *** join/#maemo SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 01:31.23 | pupnik | use it and fix what 'sucks' for you |
| 01:32.15 | Jartza | I am using and teachig people how to develop to meego |
| 01:32.28 | Jartza | that just takes most of my time |
| 01:33.29 | MohammadAG | pupnik, hm? |
| 01:33.55 | MohammadAG | need 2 more batteries |
| 01:33.58 | jacekowski | do you know any user friendly music shop? |
| 01:34.21 | MohammadAG | amazon? |
| 01:34.35 | MohammadAG | or the ubuntu one store |
| 01:34.40 | MohammadAG | or iTunes :P |
| 01:35.11 | jonwil | ok, so I am looking at my reverse-engineering todo list. Are any of the other desktop widgets worth reverse engineering or just the internet one? |
| 01:35.17 | pupnik | MohammadAG: can you phrase your question in the form of a sentence? |
| 01:36.00 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 01:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you managed to decode parts of that SMS? |
| 01:36.30 | MohammadAG | pupnik, image of what? |
| 01:36.39 | MohammadAG | you kinda lost me |
| 01:37.06 | jonwil | ok, so are any of the other desktop widgets worth reverse engineering? |
| 01:37.11 | javispedro | what is so fun about the internet status bar applet? it probably even uses the standard icd2 api |
| 01:37.15 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: you mean like the calendar? |
| 01:37.31 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Well - it lacks signal strength, which is quite fundamental |
| 01:37.41 | jonwil | for wifi signal strength |
| 01:37.48 | javispedro | ah, the miniicon |
| 01:37.54 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nope, that's probably something else |
| 01:38.05 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: t-mobile isn't sending cell broadcasts |
| 01:38.10 | jacekowski | i'll get vodafone sim tomorrow |
| 01:38.11 | javispedro | well, that was a feature of the n8x0 one. |
| 01:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | how do you know? |
| 01:38.22 | jacekowski | google |
| 01:38.26 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:38.37 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: GPS - indicating if it can recieve any satellites at all - if it can't - then it's unlikely to ever get a position. |
| 01:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | I think t-mob actually shall send SMS-CB, to identify area |
| 01:38.59 | MohammadAG | javispedro, you could also add tap-n-hold to disconnect |
| 01:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | in chan#50 iirc |
| 01:39.14 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: So if you turn it on, it might flash grey - then flash white - picking up at least one sat, then go solid when it has a fix |
| 01:39.14 | MohammadAG | or to ifdown wlan0 |
| 01:39.17 | javispedro | so it's more like a "Advanced ICD2 Applet" thing |
| 01:39.24 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 01:39.25 | jacekowski | Jan 22 01:16:36 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[2537]: com.nokia.phone.net: get_network_time_info returned: y:100 m:100 d:100 h:100 m:100 s:100 tz:100 dl:100 |
| 01:39.43 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yeah - that's a 'bug' on the network I thing |
| 01:39.44 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 01:39.45 | javispedro | MohammadAG: you can probably code such applets in Qt, if you're that interested. |
| 01:39.54 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 01:40.00 | jonwil | for CBSMS its all about finding out how to poke the IncomingCBS dbus thing |
| 01:40.04 | MohammadAG | and I'd rather learn Gtk :P |
| 01:40.06 | jonwil | at least thats my guess |
| 01:40.11 | MohammadAG | faster startup time |
| 01:40.13 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 |
| 01:40.13 | javispedro | now that's an interesting thing =) |
| 01:40.14 | povbot | Bug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device. |
| 01:40.31 | MohammadAG | does gtk work with C++? |
| 01:40.44 | javispedro | there's gtkmm |
| 01:41.05 | jacekowski | well |
| 01:41.06 | jacekowski | Jan 22 01:03:31 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[2537]: ISI_SMS .327915> resp_cell_broadcast_subscription(): Incoming cell broadcast receive status:0 OK |
| 01:41.06 | MohammadAG | but it's not the same eh? :P |
| 01:41.08 | javispedro | there's even some nokia maemomm stuff, but... probably rotting |
| 01:41.09 | jacekowski | Jan 22 01:05:12 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[2537]: ISI_SMS .333317> resp_sms_subscription(): Incoming sms receive status:0 OK |
| 01:41.30 | jacekowski | csd is indicating that everything is ready to recieve sms and sms-cb |
| 01:41.41 | jacekowski | but nothing happens |
| 01:41.45 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/PiHD76Mn |
| 01:41.50 | MohammadAG | may I ask |
| 01:41.53 | jacekowski | that's what happened when i sent text to myself |
| 01:41.57 | MohammadAG | wtf is cell broadcast? |
| 01:42.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: i don't know |
| 01:42.06 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Also - battery meter would be nice. |
| 01:42.08 | javispedro | and a better question is |
| 01:42.08 | MohammadAG | it never worked in IL |
| 01:42.30 | javispedro | has cbsms ever been used by any telco since the nineties for anything remotely useful? =) |
| 01:42.34 | MohammadAG | the only difference I saw on symbian when i enabled it was the tower got lit up |
| 01:43.02 | BCMM | MohammadAG: a way to send a message to every device connected to a tower |
| 01:43.07 | jonwil | for CBSMS its all about finding out how to poke the IncomingCBS dbus thing, assuming the network sends CBSMS messages then that dbus interface should somehow reiceve it |
| 01:43.24 | MohammadAG | BCMM, my operator does that with text messages |
| 01:43.28 | MohammadAG | how do they differ :P |
| 01:43.37 | MohammadAG | besides being annoying |
| 01:43.42 | jonwil | as for status bar widgets, fm transmitter status plugin is not worth reverse engineering |
| 01:43.45 | BCMM | MohammadAG: all of the devices are *supposed* to receive it |
| 01:43.47 | javispedro | I remember at least mine used to send me stuff about the "name" they gave to the cells (which usually was nearest town with a certain population), and that was nice (channel ninety-something iirc) |
| 01:43.52 | javispedro | but they no longer do that... |
| 01:43.55 | MohammadAG | jonwil, that one was fully rewritten |
| 01:43.59 | MohammadAG | by qwerty12 |
| 01:44.02 | jonwil | ok |
| 01:44.09 | BCMM | MohammadAG: in theory, it is useful in emergencies. dunno if anyone uses it |
| 01:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's not necessarily indicating that the modem is correctly configured to actually recieve any SMS-CB. It could as well be a valid rsponse to a configuration command that in fact unsubscribes to all channels |
| 01:44.43 | jonwil | bluetooth headset status, bluetooth status, bluetooth transfer status, none of those are worth reverse engineering |
| 01:44.49 | MohammadAG | BCMM, hmm, so I need to upgrade my mobile so I don't miss 2012 |
| 01:45.00 | BCMM | MohammadAG: but someone here told me that it's how some phones on some networks are able to display the name of the cell (usually the name of hte area it's in or the building it's on top of) |
| 01:45.00 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 01:45.09 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 01:45.14 | MohammadAG | that cell info |
| 01:45.24 | MohammadAG | (that's cell broadcast?) |
| 01:45.24 | BCMM | is that a different system? |
| 01:45.29 | jonwil | yes thats cell broadcast |
| 01:45.31 | MohammadAG | they're different options on symbian |
| 01:45.36 | BCMM | MohammadAG: dunno, but somebody in here said it was |
| 01:45.39 | javispedro | see my little story above =) |
| 01:45.45 | MohammadAG | well |
| 01:45.54 | MohammadAG | it's neat how it knows your location instantly |
| 01:45.55 | jacekowski | i'm going to sleep |
| 01:46.02 | javispedro | MohammadAG: usually you'll find a settings screen with a list of "channels" like 10, 25, 30, etc. |
| 01:46.07 | BCMM | i wish more networks would do that, it's kind of interesting |
| 01:46.07 | MohammadAG | but... it's not too helpful if I'm lost |
| 01:46.14 | BCMM | would've been a lot more useful before GPS, to be honest |
| 01:46.21 | jonwil | ok, so I will clone connui-status-menu-item |
| 01:46.26 | BCMM | i mean, before GPS was common in phones |
| 01:46.31 | MohammadAG | there was a hotel in turkey |
| 01:46.33 | jonwil | also status-area-applet-battery |
| 01:46.39 | MohammadAG | that somehow said you were in the lobby |
| 01:46.43 | BCMM | i've never seen working cell info in the UK |
| 01:46.44 | MohammadAG | or restaurant |
| 01:46.48 | MohammadAG | that kinda amazed me |
| 01:46.59 | MohammadAG | jonwil, there's a python clone for that btw |
| 01:46.59 | BCMM | MohammadAG: heh, i was going to mention turkey - everywhere seems to have cell info there |
| 01:47.07 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: the battery meter for example can be improved - the hardware can tell us teh charge of the battery, when charging, for example. |
| 01:47.11 | MohammadAG | if you're doing it in C |
| 01:47.12 | BCMM | that was actually useful too, like having GPS on my 3410 |
| 01:47.27 | MohammadAG | remember that it handles "Charging", "Battery Low" |
| 01:47.28 | MohammadAG | etc |
| 01:47.29 | jonwil | cant see it worth cloning ham-notifier-status-menu-item or ham-updates-status-menu-item |
| 01:47.35 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: like is that of teh any use |
| 01:47.38 | BCMM | since they all seemed to be named after major landmarks they were on top of |
| 01:47.40 | MohammadAG | jonwil, those are open source |
| 01:47.45 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: sure. |
| 01:47.49 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: voltage while charging will be bit off |
| 01:47.57 | jacekowski | significant bit |
| 01:47.58 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It's not voltage - it's the charge meter |
| 01:48.08 | jacekowski | as in, energy in/out? |
| 01:48.12 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It integrates battery cunt to measure charge |
| 01:48.16 | SpeedEvil | current |
| 01:48.29 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (settings screen) on 6210 Nokia this was a config dialog where you enter the numeric SMS-CB channel, plus a symbolic name for your convenience |
| 01:48.31 | jacekowski | where does battery have cunt? |
| 01:48.59 | MohammadAG | it has 3 at the top, +, -, and whatever the third one is |
| 01:49.02 | BCMM | jacekowski: ask Yahoo Answers. |
| 01:49.12 | Robot101 | jonwil: SMS wouldn't need replacing if you replaced csd with ofono - the open source ring shouldn't need too much work to replace the closed one |
| 01:49.24 | jonwil | we dont need to replace SMS at all |
| 01:49.27 | Robot101 | jonwil: the problem is it would break the dialer more - USSD and emergency calls I guess |
| 01:49.35 | BCMM | the third one doesn't make it explode? |
| 01:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and 6210 power consuption noticably increased on subscribing to any SMS-CB channel, as the receiver couldn't enter deep sleep anymore |
| 01:49.42 | MohammadAG | Robot101, nah |
| 01:49.43 | Robot101 | signal strength and offline mode and stuff would be the annoyance |
| 01:49.48 | MohammadAG | it'll break it completely |
| 01:49.54 | jonwil | all we need to do is to find the right dbus calls to talk to the dbus cbsms interface |
| 01:50.05 | jonwil | IncomingCBS or whatever it is that libcsd-sms exports |
| 01:50.14 | MohammadAG | dbus-monitor --system? |
| 01:50.31 | jonwil | Not sure what sort of dbus thing it is |
| 01:50.41 | Robot101 | MohammadAG: no, the conversations app is really similar between sms and IM, there are just a couple of extra interfaces for SMS |
| 01:50.42 | MohammadAG | system for sure |
| 01:50.46 | MohammadAG | i doubt it's dbus |
| 01:50.59 | Robot101 | but they're in librtcom-telepathy-glib which is on git.collabora.co.uk at least |
| 01:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: We think replacing the whole telephony stack of maemo by an ofono based one is unfeasible |
| 01:51.03 | MohammadAG | Robot101, It's telepathy for both |
| 01:51.18 | MohammadAG | you're talking about replacing the stack |
| 01:51.20 | MohammadAG | not the UI |
| 01:51.28 | MohammadAG | UI replacement is planned after the mediaplayer |
| 01:51.39 | MohammadAG | maybe we can get a less shitty scrolling experience |
| 01:51.55 | jonwil | the IncomingCBS thing is definatly dbus |
| 01:51.58 | MohammadAG | idk why they went with a crippled webOS-like conversations screen |
| 01:52.08 | Robot101 | I was mostly thinking about jonwil's cbsms obsession, if he could replace csd with ofono, and update ring, he'd be able to fsck around with whatever he wanted |
| 01:52.23 | jonwil | well I gave up my CBSMS obsession |
| 01:52.29 | MohammadAG | ring's closed |
| 01:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: so we should be able to get proper info regarding that, from Nokia or any of their affiliates |
| 01:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | pokes Robot101 |
| 01:52.47 | jonwil | since my carrier isn't even sending CBSMS |
| 01:52.50 | Robot101 | MohammadAG: there's a new ring which works with ofono |
| 01:53.01 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 01:53.04 | Robot101 | I am *very sure* you can make that work with the existing SMS UI |
| 01:53.06 | MohammadAG | well, that makes sense |
| 01:53.12 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 01:53.15 | MohammadAG | you're right |
| 01:53.21 | MohammadAG | telepathy-* works |
| 01:53.21 | jonwil | replacing csd with ofono is out of the question, too many other bits of the system are tied to it |
| 01:53.32 | MohammadAG | what about contacts |
| 01:53.34 | MohammadAG | phone app |
| 01:53.59 | Robot101 | contacts doesn't touch csd at all, and only requests calls / chats via the call and conversation apps |
| 01:54.09 | Robot101 | ok well contacts has a sim contacts plugin |
| 01:54.13 | Robot101 | but who cares about sim contacts |
| 01:54.25 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 01:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: that's not the aproach we think will pan out |
| 01:54.46 | MohammadAG | if who cares was enough |
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| 01:55.00 | MohammadAG | I would've pushed a zImage of 2.6.35 that mounted / |
| 01:55.10 | MohammadAG | who cares about the rest of the system |
| 01:55.20 | Robot101 | I don't actually know what you're working on or trying to achieve at all |
| 01:55.34 | MohammadAG | I'm trying to achieve mer |
| 01:55.42 | jonwil | its clear that libsms and csd-sms on Fremantle have support for Cell Broadcast SMS |
| 01:55.44 | Robot101 | I'm just pondering the whole csd/ofono thing, and someone said SMS would break - I think that's the only thing that wouldn't ::D |
| 01:55.47 | jonwil | SMS-CB |
| 01:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | we are after getting cell broadcast to work on stock maemo |
| 01:55.49 | MohammadAG | (I think) |
| 01:55.57 | jonwil | and thats what we want to get working |
| 01:56.06 | MohammadAG | mer was awesome |
| 01:56.10 | MohammadAG | should be revived |
| 01:56.27 | Robot101 | fmms probably has quite some clues about csd's SMS APIs |
| 01:56.46 | Robot101 | and you might find some nokians working on ofono atm used to work on csd |
| 01:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | hmm a good point |
| 01:57.09 | Robot101 | and, did anyone try dbus introspecting it? I dunno if it works but its a good start |
| 01:57.10 | MohammadAG | pokes frals |
| 01:57.20 | Robot101 | dbus-monitor --system is also likely to be helpful |
| 01:57.29 | MohammadAG | i already suggested that |
| 01:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: please have a look into bug 8347 |
| 01:57.31 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
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| 01:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: dbus introspection is known to be unsupported in all Nokia closed source components |
| 01:58.30 | BCMM | gah, how does one determine which row of a QListView is currently selected? |
| 01:59.42 | jacekowski | Jan 22 01:59:03 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[2537]: com.nokia.phone.net: get_network_time_info returned: y:100 m:100 d:100 h:100 m:100 s:100 tz:100 dl:100 |
| 01:59.50 | jacekowski | i'm just wondering wtf is this? |
| 01:59.54 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 |
| 01:59.56 | povbot | Bug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device. |
| 01:59.57 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: |
| 01:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: so we'd need a guru that drops us a magic dbus incantation to csd-sms to put cell broadcast to work, according to jonwil's findings |
| 02:00.02 | jacekowski | Rarok: and dbus is useless for that |
| 02:00.19 | jacekowski | Robot101: nothing is sent over dbus from csd that would be usefull at all |
| 02:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's a borked GSM time msg |
| 02:00.46 | jonwil | fmms works higher level by plugging into wappush or something |
| 02:00.58 | MohammadAG | patches rootsh to ask if a user is a noob and prevent all access with a user-removable status file in ~ |
| 02:01.15 | MohammadAG | root access for noobs is dangerous |
| 02:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG is dangerous |
| 02:02.01 | jonwil | yeah fmms is using com.nokia.WAPPushHandler |
| 02:02.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, indeed |
| 02:02.42 | jonwil | as for SMS-CB, it seems like there is a dbus interface/path called Phone.SMS which exports something below it called IncomingCBS |
| 02:03.04 | jonwil | so for CBSMS, we just need to figure out how to talk to that interfface |
| 02:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | and that's hard to figure by mere guessing |
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| 02:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | and pretty sure we don't want to replace csd by ofono, just to get some clue how to use the API |
| 02:07.24 | jonwil | ok, so I am going to give up on messing with the GPS stuff, reverse engineering location-daemon is too hard |
| 02:07.52 | MohammadAG | i think someone reverse engineered it before |
| 02:08.03 | jonwil | well I am not going to do it, its too hard for me :) |
| 02:08.04 | MohammadAG | i think |
| 02:08.13 | jonwil | My RE todo list so far is "keep looking into IncomingCBS maybe to see how it works", "produce clone of ICD policy plugins", " |
| 02:08.19 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: the protocol has been done for the GPS hardware |
| 02:08.24 | jonwil | ok |
| 02:08.55 | jonwil | "produce clone of connui-internet-status-menu-item","produce clone of status-area-applet-battery" |
| 02:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | modulo AGPS afaik |
| 02:09.17 | jonwil | Investigate audio routing and consider reverse engineering those bits that are closed |
| 02:10.08 | javispedro | the only closed bits are mostly some 3gpp codec related stuff that is also currently a blob in meego |
| 02:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ?? |
| 02:10.48 | javispedro | well, and the actual policy itself. but that's compiled prolog =)= |
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| 02:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | aah for audio |
| 02:11.40 | jonwil | anyone know what module-nokia-music, module-nokia-record, module-nokia-voice are for? |
| 02:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: what javispedro just said |
| 02:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | mostly |
| 02:12.14 | jonwil | Those blobs are open in MeeGo but closed in maemo |
| 02:12.25 | jonwil | and in maemo they talk to libbmeipc |
| 02:12.32 | javispedro | music probably does the "enhacements" (aka distortions), dunno about record, voice is routing |
| 02:12.53 | javispedro | they talk to libbmeipc because they have to know the temperature of some chip and for some reason |
| 02:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | record probably does AEC |
| 02:13.28 | MohammadAG | god i love the battery meter |
| 02:13.41 | MohammadAG | from "50" to "low" |
| 02:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | another explanation was they need to playback bme borne audio notifications |
| 02:14.04 | javispedro | doubt that, it would be much easier for the ie battery applet to play them |
| 02:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 02:14.26 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop plays touchscreen events btw |
| 02:14.28 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: can you think of any reason a voice codec could want the temperature? |
| 02:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | xprot for sure is querying the device temperature |
| 02:14.42 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 02:14.49 | MohammadAG | so it doesn't go out of tune |
| 02:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 02:15.06 | javispedro | so there you have the bmeipc dep |
| 02:15.12 | SpeedEvil | So it could work out the delay between speaker and mic due to speed of sound. |
| 02:15.19 | SpeedEvil | It should also read GPS altitude. |
| 02:15.21 | javispedro | =) |
| 02:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I was shy to post that comment :-P |
| 02:15.37 | MohammadAG | should check if a medium is present too |
| 02:15.55 | MohammadAG | if not, use electromagnetc waves |
| 02:16.29 | jonwil | so module-nokia-voice, module-nokia-record and module-nokia-voice have nothing to do with audio routing? |
| 02:16.31 | javispedro | the truth is that the nokia record module is actually the one that triggers battery self-destruct when it hears the magic word. |
| 02:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | terribly insane niche of maemo bme/audio |
| 02:16.51 | javispedro | jonwil: voice does. |
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| 02:17.05 | MohammadAG | btw |
| 02:17.07 | javispedro | voice is the "executive" part of the audio routing framework |
| 02:17.12 | MohammadAG | why does battery empty stutter? |
| 02:17.30 | jonwil | whats module-policy-enforcement for? |
| 02:17.42 | MohammadAG | xpolicy.conf i guess |
| 02:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63997 |
| 02:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | probably it's a prolog interpreter |
| 02:18.50 | MohammadAG | that thread scares me |
| 02:19.50 | jonwil | module-policy-enforcement on meego has nothing to do with prolog |
| 02:20.17 | javispedro | hum |
| 02:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | see alsaped maybe |
| 02:20.27 | jonwil | ok, so I intend to play with all 4 of those modules (policy-enforcement, voice, record and music |
| 02:20.29 | javispedro | I probably confused voice and enforcement |
| 02:20.53 | jonwil | and reverse engineer this stuff in conjunction with the MeeGo code |
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| 02:21.21 | javispedro | grep for /com/nokia/policy/decision and you'll find the one receiving orders from ohmd and executing them |
| 02:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess voice and record are complementary, where voice has AEC. Music has xprot |
| 02:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | also iirc voice is dealing with that insane syncing of PCM stream to GSM 20ms timeslices |
| 02:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: will you eventually write up a mini-howto or similar whitepaper about that stuff? |
| 02:23.59 | javispedro | the minihowto will be the code =) |
| 02:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:24.21 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 02:24.24 | javispedro | (of how to use/confuse the stuff -- not wanting to replace any of it..) |
| 02:24.34 | SpeedEvil | A bug is marked as a duplicate. |
| 02:24.42 | SpeedEvil | But the original bug is fixed. |
| 02:24.48 | SpeedEvil | And the duplicate is not. |
| 02:24.53 | MohammadAG | need - global - orientation - fix |
| 02:24.53 | SpeedEvil | Is this not a duplicate then? |
| 02:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 02:25.25 | SpeedEvil | (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163) |
| 02:25.26 | povbot | Bug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device. |
| 02:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: philosophically it's not a duplicate then, if the assumptions are true |
| 02:28.08 | pupnik | i have the problem with caring about audio and video |
| 02:30.19 | pupnik | and the past couple of years has been like watching a fat lady in a razorblade suit dive into a pool filled with children |
| 02:30.30 | pupnik | in slow motion |
| 02:31.29 | jonwil | is there any benifit reverse engineering the alarm/clock statusbar item? |
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| 02:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: try ->tablet-mode ->phone-mode. This triggered a GSM time msg and device setting time correctly from GSM, for me |
| 02:32.14 | javispedro | notes |
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| 02:32.38 | javispedro | many people have tried to make a usable & open version of maemo, and many have failed/moved to meego. |
| 02:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: sure there is: select different formats/fontsets |
| 02:32.51 | javispedro | start with a small set, and start now. |
| 02:33.06 | javispedro | otherwise you will soon realise the magnitude of the work to be done and move on =) |
| 02:33.16 | jonwil | heh, hard work doesnt phase me |
| 02:34.03 | pupnik | http://grammar.about.com/od/alightersideofwriting/a/FazePhasegloss.htm faze, actually |
| 02:38.25 | Jartza | hmm |
| 02:38.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 - the second to last message |
| 02:38.44 | povbot | Bug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device. |
| 02:39.00 | SpeedEvil | Also - the above has interesting log entry mentioning cell broadcast |
| 02:39.33 | SpeedEvil | Also - confirming bug if you see the same behaviour - does not sync to GPS time. (some places do not broadcast proper times) |
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| 02:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: my comment was in reply to 10163 |
| 02:42.15 | SpeedEvil | yes - there are time messages sent - they are malformed |
| 02:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: carriers are known to send crap |
| 02:43.07 | jonwil | ok, so I have decided to put the following on my RE list: pulseaudio audio routing and policy control (those 4 closed modules), the IncomingCBS DBUS message, the ICD2 policy plugins, the connui-internet-status-menu-item status bar widget, the status-area-applet-battery status bar widget and the usb_plugin status bar widget |
| 02:43.21 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Great! |
| 02:43.48 | jonwil | is it worth doing the cellular status bar widget (the other one I was considering) |
| 02:44.47 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. |
| 02:45.08 | SpeedEvil | I suppose in principle you could add cell-information to it |
| 02:45.14 | SpeedEvil | see the package netmon |
| 02:45.17 | Jartza | hmmh. |
| 02:45.24 | SpeedEvil | and 'live' signal strength. |
| 02:46.02 | jonwil | adds connui-cellular-operator-home-item and connui-cellular-status-item to the list then |
| 02:46.26 | SpeedEvil | I don't see much benefit in those though. |
| 02:46.40 | jonwil | ok, if there is no benefit I wont bother |
| 02:46.52 | javispedro | while we're at it, add connui-iapsettings-wlan |
| 02:47.19 | jonwil | connui-iapsettings is the package name |
| 02:47.43 | javispedro | nope iirc, the're has to be a plugin per iap type |
| 02:47.47 | javispedro | *there |
| 02:47.57 | nox- | heh gpsrecorder got a quick fix, nice :) |
| 02:48.10 | jonwil | any other control panel/settings things worth cloning? |
| 02:48.16 | jonwil | doubt it |
| 02:48.54 | javispedro | well, you'll find reasons for any of them.. |
| 02:49.09 | jonwil | the wifi I will do |
| 02:49.09 | SpeedEvil | The 'alarm' widget in principle could be handy for people writing clones |
| 02:49.13 | jonwil | since there is a use case |
| 02:49.19 | SpeedEvil | I'm not aware of any though |
| 02:49.19 | jonwil | clear use case |
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| 02:53.36 | jonwil | ok, so the todo is pulseaudio, CBSMS, icd2 policy plugins, connui-internet-status-menu-item, status-area-applet-battery, usb_plugin, connui-iapsettings-wlan |
| 02:53.46 | jonwil | is connui-conndlgs-wlan usefull for wlan stuff? |
| 02:53.49 | jonwil | I think it is |
| 02:55.06 | javispedro | if you're going to rewrite it, you can add the missing eap modes to it |
| 02:56.21 | jonwil | well my plan is to just produce a 1:1 clone of these items for now |
| 02:56.30 | jonwil | and let someone else enhance their functionality |
| 02:56.38 | javispedro | well, good luck. |
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| 03:54.40 | nox- | its doing it again :( |
| 03:54.42 | nox- | no hidden ssid notworks configured anymore... |
| 03:54.44 | nox- | wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bb52c - sending probe request |
| 03:54.46 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, or do you think i need to reboot the device too? |
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| 03:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: the comment about hidden SSIDs wasn't meant to cure this particular problem. It's probably unrelated |
| 03:59.56 | nox- | hm |
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| 04:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | I guess this issue is caused by AP missing to exactly schedule the times for TX to N900 |
| 04:01.17 | nox- | well its unlikely to be the `ap' too, i still saw several beacon frames intermixed with each probe request/response... |
| 04:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: first of all, test if the problem vanishes when you set PSM in N900 wlan connection setting to "off" |
| 04:02.11 | nox- | hmm special scheduling reqs? |
| 04:02.27 | nox- | ok lets see... |
| 04:03.02 | SpeedEvil | the scheduling happens inside the wireless firmeware AIUI |
| 04:03.13 | SpeedEvil | And the AP wireless firmware - it's not low-level |
| 04:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | sure, on both ends |
| 04:03.28 | SpeedEvil | not high level |
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| 04:06.59 | nox- | still ap sends several beacon frames fer second and n900 still doesnt seen them sometimes, thats kinda weird... |
| 04:07.04 | nox- | s/fer/per/ |
| 04:08.02 | nox- | and n900 was constantly sending probe requests which the ap answered too... |
| 04:13.32 | pupnik | alien probes |
| 04:13.39 | nox- | haha |
| 04:17.18 | nox- | hm and why is it even sending probe requests when no hidden ssids are configured anymore... |
| 04:22.37 | nox- | and if its bc of n900 powersaving settings would that mean the powersaving stuff is kind of turning off the wifi rx behind the wifi driver's back? |
| 04:23.01 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 04:23.07 | SpeedEvil | that's how it works |
| 04:23.08 | nox- | ooh |
| 04:23.18 | SpeedEvil | the radio is powered down for 95% of the time |
| 04:23.29 | nox- | well then i understand... |
| 04:23.29 | SpeedEvil | If it works - it's great. |
| 04:23.42 | SpeedEvil | I get ~a week uptime idle, connected to wifi. |
| 04:24.05 | nox- | just the constant probes it sends will eat power too, right? |
| 04:24.39 | nox- | well a week uptime sounds nice |
| 04:24.42 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't probe - it wakes up a few times a second to ask if the AP has any packets. |
| 04:24.51 | SpeedEvil | At a scheduled with the AP time. |
| 04:25.09 | nox- | hm |
| 04:25.39 | nox- | but it sends several packets per second for that? |
| 04:25.40 | SpeedEvil | I tried to read the details of the wifi spec, but my head exploded. |
| 04:26.17 | nox- | heh i didnt even read that much of this stuff yet... |
| 04:26.22 | SpeedEvil | I'm not actually sure if it sends, or if it just wakes and checks for a transmitted packet from the AP |
| 04:26.36 | nox- | well here it definitely was sending |
| 04:26.40 | SpeedEvil | It does have to send fairly frequently so the AP keeps it registered |
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| 04:26.50 | SpeedEvil | You get no syslog messages at all |
| 04:26.54 | SpeedEvil | when it's working |
| 04:27.35 | nox- | yes thats why i thought theres something wrong... |
| 04:28.05 | nox- | and then i saw the probes/responses intermixed with the beacon frames |
| 04:28.13 | nox- | which aren't there when its working |
| 04:36.49 | nox- | SpeedEvil, did you have wifi powersaving enabled when you got the week uptime? |
| 04:37.37 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 04:37.42 | SpeedEvil | without it's more like 20h |
| 04:39.04 | nox- | hm ok so this test isnt the desired config... |
| 04:39.38 | nox- | did you have powersaving on `medium' or on `max'? |
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| 04:40.21 | SpeedEvil | max |
| 04:40.45 | nox- | ok thats what i had before too |
| 04:40.47 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management |
| 04:40.49 | SpeedEvil | see script in |
| 04:42.15 | nox- | the one with the bq27x00_battery ? |
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| 04:42.44 | nox- | oh i also have power kernel could that have something to do with it? |
| 04:43.56 | SpeedEvil | it should work with and without bq* |
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| 05:07.59 | nox- | installs libicd-network-usb too while he has extras-devel enabled |
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| 05:16.22 | media | hi |
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| 05:21.15 | nox- | hm around 300 mA, 150 events |
| 05:24.11 | nox- | disables extras-devel again |
| 05:28.04 | SpeedEvil | Is that with screen off? |
| 05:28.46 | nox- | no |
| 05:28.50 | nox- | and with wifi on |
| 05:29.01 | nox- | now testing w wifi and screen off |
| 05:29.12 | SpeedEvil | leave it running in an xterm, and lock screen |
| 05:29.45 | nox- | i just waited for it to turn off by itself |
| 05:29.54 | SpeedEvil | Or that |
| 05:30.11 | nox- | ah thats better, 15 mA, 70 events |
| 05:31.04 | nox- | now lets see w screen off and wifi on |
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| 05:31.51 | nox- | wow still 200 mA |
| 05:32.44 | nox- | and it wasnt even sending anything... |
| 05:33.46 | shamus | ok im thinking the battery is toast on my n800 as it's barly lastign a day in offline mode then agin i recived it with a 350ma charger vs the tipical hevy douty one as that lower power one is "eco frindly" go figure |
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| 05:36.37 | SpeedEvil | A 350ma one? |
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| 05:36.45 | SpeedEvil | That is not hte standard nokia |
| 05:36.48 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 05:36.49 | SpeedEvil | n800, sorry |
| 05:36.50 | SpeedEvil | no idea |
| 05:37.32 | shamus | n900 might be getign the spotlight but n8x0 is still not deat yet |
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| 05:40.33 | nox- | n800 used a different battery? |
| 05:41.15 | kerio | shamus: they're both dead as fuck |
| 05:41.31 | kerio | the n900 is just less rotten |
| 05:41.40 | nox- | :) |
| 05:41.54 | kerio | why, nokia ;_; |
| 05:46.36 | nox- | ah 20 mA with wifi powersave on max |
| 05:46.59 | psycho_oreos | iinm n900 is the only one to have a different battery compared to the rest of maemo series |
| 05:47.07 | nox- | now ill have to wait for the bug to reappear ans check current then... |
| 05:47.14 | nox- | s/ans/and/ |
| 05:47.26 | nox- | psycho_oreos, oh |
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| 05:48.56 | psycho_oreos | nox-, and the previous generation had a slightly larger battery, were more readily available. nokia decided to twist our arms with a smaller battery and a completely different variant that shared with x6, 5800 |
| 05:49.09 | nox- | :( |
| 05:51.03 | media | hey |
| 05:51.26 | media | i have openssh installed on my n900. should i set the root pw in order to login as root? |
| 05:51.52 | nox- | id say you should better disable ssh root logins |
| 05:52.20 | nox- | (if they arent already) |
| 05:52.20 | media | yea. probably better. can i create new accounts just with adduser i guess |
| 05:52.22 | SpeedEvil | media: you get prompted to set a password on installof openssh server |
| 05:52.34 | psycho_oreos | you should have gotten ssh status switcher package, that will prompt you to setup root password and provides you easy access to turning on and off sshd |
| 05:52.46 | media | SpeedEvil: i probably forgot |
| 05:53.01 | media | ok thanks. |
| 05:53.10 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 05:53.22 | nox- | and if you're paranoid, use ssh keys |
| 05:53.29 | SpeedEvil | I'd remove opensshd-client - then reinstall |
| 05:54.22 | psycho_oreos | its quite easy to disable root login anyway |
| 05:54.38 | media | removing and reinstalling |
| 05:55.09 | media | im trying to setup meego. need to scp the image to it :) |
| 05:55.17 | nox- | opensshd-client is to ssh out not to ssh in tho? |
| 05:55.28 | media | removed all |
| 05:55.47 | media | hm dropbear any good? |
| 05:56.40 | psycho_oreos | I thought it was just simply called openssh-{client,server} |
| 05:57.00 | media | yea i used openssh, but i saw another implementaion called dropbear |
| 05:57.25 | media | but im used to openssh, so ill stick to that for now :) |
| 05:57.33 | psycho_oreos | I've never tried dropbear, wouldn't know how to use it |
| 05:57.57 | shamus | never tryed drop bear eather |
| 05:58.14 | shamus | was wondering if it would hit the battery less |
| 05:58.45 | SpeedEvil | naah |
| 05:58.55 | nox- | yeah sounds unlikely |
| 05:58.57 | shamus | as im prity sure i have a roaug deamon or two chewiting thro my battery i know i diabled meta crowler and never enabled modest |
| 05:59.04 | SpeedEvil | the main battery use is keeping the radios awake |
| 05:59.20 | nox- | sshd should only use cpu when someone actually connects to it |
| 05:59.21 | psycho_oreos | transferring large files over sshd isn't ideal, nor are transferring any system files |
| 05:59.36 | SpeedEvil | I found out how to get modest to use much less RAM. |
| 05:59.39 | nox- | yeah ok transfers will eat cpu |
| 05:59.40 | SpeedEvil | apt-get remove modest |
| 06:00.10 | shamus | hehe good point i do npot even use it |
| 06:00.16 | shamus | ewhy have it |
| 06:00.32 | SpeedEvil | It uses ~10-20M of RAM IIRC if you don't use it |
| 06:00.44 | shamus | o.0 |
| 06:01.39 | psycho_oreos | Ruskie had a more extreme maemo customisation, cutting down any stuff he doesn't need including all the other locales |
| 06:01.56 | psycho_oreos | might even free up more rootfs too |
| 06:03.18 | shamus | o.0 |
| 06:03.26 | shamus | The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 06:03.26 | shamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.26 | shamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.26 | shamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.26 | shamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.30 | shamus | i think not |
| 06:03.43 | nox- | ok bug is back, now to see the mA |
| 06:03.53 | SpeedEvil | Odd - I was able to remove modest earlie |
| 06:03.54 | SpeedEvil | r |
| 06:04.12 | shamus | dilblo |
| 06:04.17 | psycho_oreos | you might be able to remove that single package by holding the other packages |
| 06:04.20 | nox- | hm 50 mA, still better than the 200 above... |
| 06:05.00 | shamus | holding? |
| 06:05.32 | psycho_oreos | echo ``<package> hold'' | dpkg --set-selections |
| 06:05.57 | psycho_oreos | it prevents automatic updating and may prevent automatic dependency removal |
| 06:08.06 | nox- | still, 50 mA compared to 15... :/ |
| 06:11.14 | media | hm, im in. i saw i already had an extra account. seems useradd is not there though |
| 06:11.24 | nox- | 20 mA after reconnecting |
| 06:11.57 | psycho_oreos | media, it is, its under /usr/sbin (meaning root user required) |
| 06:12.22 | nox- | anyway, need to charge... |
| 06:12.23 | nox- | bbl |
| 06:16.04 | media | psycho_oreos: ah thanks! |
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| 06:16.16 | psycho_oreos | media, nw |
| 06:16.29 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, any experience with fanoush's bootmenu? |
| 06:18.05 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 06:18.55 | psycho_oreos | *nods* ta, probably fanoush's bootmenu has nothing to do with uboot |
| 06:20.02 | nox- | and the bug is back yet again... :/ |
| 06:21.53 | media | hm, for meego i need to dd the memory card, but copying the raw image to n900 first wont fit |
| 06:22.11 | nox- | now even 70 mA... |
| 06:22.59 | media | should i dd over ssh? |
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| 06:25.44 | psycho_oreos | I don't think dd over ssh would work |
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| 06:26.32 | nox- | actually i think it does but netcat would use less cpu |
| 06:26.46 | psycho_oreos | you should get a media card writer/reader and dd the content across. There might be another way, that is to shove the image onto n900's /home/user/MyDocs partition |
| 06:27.03 | nox- | anyway im off |
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| 06:30.44 | media | psycho_oreos: ok, ill try the last solution. i dont have a card reader |
| 06:31.23 | psycho_oreos | media, how big is the image? |
| 06:32.08 | media | 1.9gb |
| 06:32.36 | media | u |
| 06:32.47 | media | i just need some way to ssh into the user account |
| 06:32.58 | psycho_oreos | that should fit easily onto the large 29GB FAT32 partition |
| 06:32.59 | media | setting a pw on user isnt evil? |
| 06:33.12 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 06:35.20 | media | great. its working |
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| 08:38.05 | RobbieThe1st | Hey guys, what device can I echo a value to to control the multicolor LED? |
| 08:38.57 | SpeedEvil | It'smore complexthanthat |
| 08:39.27 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns |
| 08:40.18 | RobbieThe1st | So, hm... without MCE running, how would one do it? |
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| 08:42.13 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_LED |
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| 08:44.50 | RobbieThe1st | Alright, interesting. |
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| 09:33.19 | jonwil | I am making some good progress reverse engineering connui-internet-status-menu-item |
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| 09:35.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:36.52 | jonwil | It helps that we have example_reminder_status_applet to refer to and that connui-internet-status-menu-item happens to be written similarly to the example |
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| 09:38.36 | mikki-kun | jonwil: may i ask what connui-internet-status-menu-item does? :) |
| 09:38.47 | jonwil | Its the status bar UI for WiFi |
| 09:38.49 | jonwil | or so I was told |
| 09:39.03 | jonwil | and someone wants to add signal strength reporting to it |
| 09:39.31 | jonwil | plus its something relatively simple to get started learning reverse engineering of ARM |
| 09:40.25 | mikki-kun | ^^ then i wish you happy RE'ing and lots of fun :) |
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| 10:10.57 | Venemo | hey |
| 10:11.03 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 10:37.53 | psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, ping |
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| 10:52.10 | SpeedEvil | Is there a source for replacement earbuds for the headset, other than the obvious? |
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| 11:04.31 | MohammadAG | Venemo, happy |
| 11:04.42 | MohammadAG | belated birthday |
| 11:04.53 | MohammadAG | stabs hildon for taking focus and pressing enter |
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| 11:14.07 | alterego | MohammadAG: pong |
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| 11:17.42 | MohammadAG | alterego, any ideas on how to lower a dialog's height in real time? |
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| 11:18.29 | alterego | setFixedHeight |
| 11:18.38 | MohammadAG | setGeometry(x(), y(), width(), newHeight) isn't working |
| 11:18.51 | alterego | Interesting |
| 11:19.08 | MohammadAG | it's for rotation |
| 11:19.09 | alterego | Whay are you doing this? |
| 11:19.14 | alterego | Ah yes |
| 11:19.24 | MohammadAG | it's fine from landscape to portrait |
| 11:19.32 | MohammadAG | but from portrait to landscape the dialog's raised |
| 11:19.48 | alterego | So you want to make it smaller? |
| 11:19.53 | MohammadAG | then the items are repositioned, so lots of space ends up between the items |
| 11:20.17 | alterego | I'd hide/show again |
| 11:20.35 | alterego | That should make it take preferred size |
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| 11:21.12 | MohammadAG | wouldn't that be visible to the user? |
| 11:21.30 | alterego | Probably, try it. |
| 11:21.47 | MohammadAG | and no, iirc we weren't deleting the dialog every time we close it, and I had the same problem |
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| 11:22.30 | alterego | Weird |
| 11:22.53 | alterego | Unfortunately I'm not at my computer so I can't test :/ |
| 11:23.06 | alterego | brb |
| 11:23.32 | MohammadAG | tries setFixedHeight() |
| 11:24.45 | pupnik | "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." |
| 11:24.49 | pupnik | "The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." |
| 11:25.18 | RST38h | Ah! The terror! The suffering! |
| 11:27.41 | pupnik | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn |
| 11:29.14 | SpeedEvil | does what Wilt does. |
| 11:29.21 | SpeedEvil | Or something. |
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| 11:34.50 | pupnik | the sciences, each straining.... |
| 11:34.56 | RST38h | suggests a more mundane/terrifying scenario |
| 11:35.50 | RST38h | Science becomes a routine, making no progress. The economy becomes a routine, slowly making itself insolvent. The society degrades. |
| 11:36.18 | dotblank | MohammadAG, Are you working on portrait mode support? |
| 11:36.46 | alterego | dotblank: I'm guessing for mohammedia player |
| 11:36.58 | Termana | mohammedia player :p |
| 11:37.19 | MohammadAG | alterego, system-wide's fine by me |
| 11:37.24 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 11:37.30 | pupnik | RST38h: you seem to understand this better than almost everyone |
| 11:37.41 | RST38h | Humans do not go into space, as it is not economically feasible. The computer science stalls at algorithms for lots of sequential turing machines. The medical science stalls due to "ethical concerns" |
| 11:37.43 | dotblank | I should make my groove program a library much like w00t_ is doing |
| 11:37.51 | dotblank | that you can import grooveshark into your player |
| 11:37.57 | dotblank | that way* |
| 11:37.59 | SpeedEvil | hits RST38h over the head with a falcon-9. |
| 11:38.14 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 11:38.26 | pupnik | i trhink the medical science runs into the sheer complexity problem - the brain cannot absorb enough to make the deeper correlations |
| 11:38.29 | dotblank | what are you using for audio playback? |
| 11:38.58 | RST38h | So, the western society simply winds down, become replaced by more energeticand less fussy Asians |
| 11:39.20 | RST38h | pupnik: that is too complicated and based on assumptions |
| 11:39.38 | RST38h | pupnik: there are really much easier and no less depressing end-of-the-world scenarios =) |
| 11:39.54 | dotblank | Going into space I think will become very viable when we have a need for helium 3 |
| 11:40.06 | RST38h | we will not have a need for helium 3. |
| 11:40.23 | dotblank | or was it hydrogen.. |
| 11:40.25 | Termana | Gauging the channel's interest - how many would be interested in a karaoke application that displayed the lyrics to the song and done on-the-fly pitch correction, maybe some other audio effects? (like, Glee Karaoke if you have an iPhone/iPod Touch) |
| 11:40.29 | dotblank | tritium to be exact |
| 11:40.31 | MohammadAG | dotblank, mafw |
| 11:40.42 | Termana | Except not gay |
| 11:40.45 | alterego | There's a lot of balls about the N9 lately. |
| 11:41.02 | SpeedEvil | Termana: I'm not sure it's possible to have non-gay karaoke. |
| 11:41.06 | RST38h | Termana: nah. |
| 11:41.10 | Termana | alterego, balls? I think you mean rumours don't you? |
| 11:41.31 | RST38h | He means crystal balls. Don't you have a set? |
| 11:42.16 | alterego | I don't believe Nokia are going to move away from OMAP |
| 11:42.18 | dotblank | Why have I not heard of mafw before? |
| 11:42.21 | dotblank | odd |
| 11:43.02 | alterego | Nokia has a good relationship with TI, I can't see them wanting anything from somehwere else they can already get through their normal TI relations |
| 11:43.16 | Termana | RST38h, Ah, mines a bit dusty, but I think it's telling me you're about to experience some coffee enema |
| 11:43.21 | RST38h | Nokia has used non-TI chips in its Symbian^3 phones |
| 11:43.26 | alterego | dotblank: mafw is maemos' multimedia framework |
| 11:43.53 | MohammadAG | <Termana> Gauging the channel's interest - how many would be interested in a karaoke application that displayed the lyrics to the song and done on-the-fly pitch correction, maybe some other audio effects? (like, Glee Karaoke if you have an iPhone/iPod Touch) |
| 11:43.53 | alterego | dotblank: it's basically a dbus api for handling media, playlists and audio routing via gstreamer. |
| 11:44.02 | MohammadAG | only if you get a videos.maemo.org |
| 11:44.11 | MohammadAG | so users can upload their work |
| 11:44.16 | Termana | alterego, you can't get x86 chips from TI, if they intended to use x86 |
| 11:44.37 | alterego | Termana: sure, but that's not this new rumour |
| 11:44.51 | alterego | And Nokia have shown no interest in atom |
| 11:45.08 | Termana | MohammadAG, upload their work? Who said I was going to let people create their own songs and screw up my app with bad music tastes? |
| 11:45.14 | MohammadAG | yeah, they only used it once - in a netbook |
| 11:45.24 | RST38h | alterego:Nokia has built an Atom-basednetbook before |
| 11:45.29 | Termana | Surely everyone wants to sing along to my collection of Justin Bieber? |
| 11:45.34 | Termana | :P (kidding) |
| 11:45.42 | MohammadAG | Termana, would be entertaining to watch users sing their library |
| 11:45.42 | RST38h | alterego: And they invested into Meego which is a primarily x86 based Linux distro |
| 11:45.52 | MohammadAG | 90% will go to the bin of course |
| 11:46.15 | alterego | RST38h: not for handset it's not |
| 11:46.16 | Termana | MohammadAG, songs would have to be pre-made. You have to have the lyrics and pitch correction in time with the music. |
| 11:46.40 | alterego | N900 and arm development is where it's at as far as MeeGo handset development. |
| 11:47.01 | MohammadAG | Termana, pitch correction? pfft, if your voice sucks don't sing :P |
| 11:47.11 | MohammadAG | <Termana> Surely everyone wants to sing along to my collection of Justin Bieber? |
| 11:47.15 | MohammadAG | KICK HIM! |
| 11:47.37 | SpeedEvil | starts playing Tatu. |
| 11:48.00 | RST38h | alterego:the "handset"is basically a UI on top of the base OS |
| 11:48.15 | RST38h | alterego: So, yes, handset too (see the Aava reference platform) |
| 11:48.57 | MohammadAG | the aava isn't exactly the best way to measure meego's progress :p |
| 11:49.54 | pupnik | http://www.sat24.com/homepage.aspx?culture=de current cloud patterns over europe |
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| 11:52.43 | kerio | isn't the aava incredibly l33t |
| 11:52.45 | kerio | ? |
| 11:53.18 | MohammadAG | so your wallet thinks |
| 11:53.38 | pupnik | a weather 'widget' with satellite+radar for your current location would be useful + cool |
| 11:54.17 | MohammadAG | I thought there was one, but not a widget |
| 11:54.48 | MohammadAG | alterego, ta, setFixedHeight() worked |
| 11:55.06 | alterego | RST38h: I was merely saying that most development is on the arm side as far as handset is concerned. |
| 11:55.09 | MohammadAG | what would be a bit cool tbh, is a homescreen widget that allows you to launch Qt apps inside it |
| 11:55.21 | MohammadAG | that way, all Qt apps are widget-ified |
| 11:55.29 | MohammadAG | of course, not all of them will look great |
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| 11:55.40 | alterego | RST38h: we can guess as to why that is, but it is the most important configuration for Nokia imo |
| 11:56.24 | MohammadAG | hmms http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68760 |
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| 12:00.14 | alterego | MohammadAG: exactly, |
| 12:00.41 | alterego | Nokia aren't going to use SE chips for a Cortex A9 |
| 12:00.52 | alterego | They'll use the OMAP4 from TI .. |
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| 12:03.21 | MohammadAG | I thought the N9 was an OMAP3 anyway |
| 12:03.30 | ShadowJK | I'm still betting N9 is omap3 :) |
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| 12:04.19 | alterego | ShadowJK: yes, unless it's been scrapped |
| 12:04.39 | MohammadAG | it's a bit late to announce an OMAP3 device tbh |
| 12:04.45 | alterego | It was mentioned that it was an OMAP3 |
| 12:04.57 | alterego | Not for Nokia :P |
| 12:04.58 | ShadowJK | The speculation about using the new and yet full of bugs omap4 are kinda funny but.. |
| 12:05.20 | alterego | full of bugs? |
| 12:05.24 | alterego | What bugs? |
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| 12:07.32 | ShadowJK | heck omap3 had been used alot before N900 and we still had the rebooting bug :P |
| 12:07.55 | ShadowJK | and still don't have dvfs or pm in mainline linux afaik.. |
| 12:10.26 | alterego | Possibly, but it's all being pushed there through MeeGo so .. |
| 12:15.24 | pupnik | this is one of the better places to talk about mee(TM)go ;) |
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| 12:16.46 | pupnik | i'm pretty happy with omap3640 atm - very thrifty power consumption |
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| 12:17.19 | GrimSouL | hello world |
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| 12:19.35 | alterego | pupnik: me aswell, I see my N900 having quite a bit of life left in it. |
| 12:19.56 | SpeedEvil | passes alterego the ant-killer. |
| 12:20.14 | alterego | I've already done more with the N900 than any of the previous NITs |
| 12:21.08 | alterego | and no sign of slowing down, speeding up if anything, with MeeGo work. |
| 12:22.39 | pupnik | it's not impossible to imagine a use for dual-core phones though, esp for a high-end device |
| 12:23.25 | pupnik | i would bet whatever was slated for n9 is the 40nm OMAP 3640 @ 1GHZ |
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| 12:25.35 | pupnik | it's not like they have a magic skunkworks department generating systems-on-a-chip ahead of TI and the rest of the planet |
| 12:25.44 | alterego | Well, that's what they originally stated |
| 12:25.58 | pupnik | i never saw any statements |
| 12:26.05 | alterego | I'm sure we'll see dual core omap4s this yeah too. |
| 12:26.19 | alterego | ..year |
| 12:26.21 | pupnik | mhm |
| 12:26.36 | RobbieThe1st | Kinda sad... I mean, if that's all it's got it's not like it's worth getting.. |
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| 12:26.57 | RobbieThe1st | I can get 1.15ghz out of my n900, if I really try.. |
| 12:27.02 | SpeedEvil | Is there a creditable link to what hw of n9 is likely to be. |
| 12:27.09 | SpeedEvil | n9 is intended to run harmattan? |
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| 12:27.29 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yes |
| 12:27.32 | alterego | RobbieThe1st: why isn't it worth getting? |
| 12:27.43 | alterego | CPU power isn't everything ... |
| 12:27.45 | MohammadAG | they like to call it MeeGo/Harmattan |
| 12:27.45 | pupnik | for e.g. look how few people learned to do anything with the DSP |
| 12:27.51 | RobbieThe1st | Spending more money, for the same or less performance? |
| 12:28.06 | pupnik | a second cortex core means no-brainer multi-threading |
| 12:28.45 | RobbieThe1st | It's multi-tasking that's the big deal; not having it stutter when a flash file takes up half of one core |
| 12:29.31 | alterego | riiight |
| 12:29.58 | alterego | IO is my main gripe with the N900 tbh |
| 12:30.16 | alterego | It's more than powerful enough for me. |
| 12:30.19 | RobbieThe1st | That -is- true; having more ram would help |
| 12:30.56 | psycho_oreos | RobbieThe1st, any progress on backupmenu being made available for uboot? :) |
| 12:31.28 | RobbieThe1st | I don't know how it would be done, sorry. I -think- you can just use the bootmenu-n900 version along with uboot |
| 12:31.55 | RobbieThe1st | And when you boot into Maemo/internal flash from uboot with the KB open... it'll run |
| 12:32.10 | BCMM | alterego: yeah, practically nothing that most people do has been CPU-bound for years... |
| 12:32.39 | BCMM | CPUs are for servers, gaming and video encoding. fast IO (which is harder to get) is for boring things like starting programs |
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| 12:34.09 | RobbieThe1st | That's sort of my point too - With a nice dual-core 1ghz processor, heavy emulation and nice gaming would be possible. It's not -quite- good enough now. |
| 12:34.17 | psycho_oreos | RobbieThe1st, hmm ok, well I'm thinking of installing just backupmenu for now from extras-devel and without uboot.. after making appropriate backups I will go experimenting |
| 12:34.26 | RobbieThe1st | Fair enough |
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| 12:42.18 | pupnik | RobbieThe1st: emulation is about using the hardware efficiently also - see the work done for pandora - pretty much all doable systems are being done |
| 12:44.52 | alterego | I personally prefer to code than play games |
| 12:44.58 | RobbieThe1st | Perhaps so. But if there's one thing I've learned about computer systems: If an interface is designed to run at X speed, you need X+2/3 to make it run nicely. For example, at 600mhz the N900 feels sluggish. at 1ghz, it feels nice. |
| 12:45.22 | pupnik | i'd say the same for froyo btw |
| 12:45.27 | RobbieThe1st | I have this feeling that Meego will be developed for a 1ghz processor. As such, in order to make it -really- responsive, we need far more. |
| 12:46.05 | pupnik | i had a responsive gui on a 25mhz NeXT |
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| 12:47.05 | RobbieThe1st | Yea. |
| 12:47.58 | pupnik | one way to do it is make your OS prioritize any gui movement properly |
| 12:48.24 | pupnik | windows 3.1 did it by giving the mouse a hardware interrupt |
| 12:48.25 | RobbieThe1st | That's true; Maemo is surprisingly good at that(at least for me) |
| 12:48.35 | alterego | MeeGo handset is being developed on the N900 and when it's configured well, it's a nice smooth experience, as far as transitions and ui components. |
| 12:48.49 | alterego | Better than Maemo for Qt suff |
| 12:49.11 | alterego | Unfortunately app start times are awful at the moment :) |
| 12:49.25 | RobbieThe1st | Just FYI - I was running Ubuntu on a 1ghz PentiumM with 1GB of ram; it's -far- less responsive than Maemo is. |
| 12:49.55 | alterego | But, scrolling a listview looks amazing under meego where as all the tear in maemo makes it look jerky |
| 12:49.59 | RobbieThe1st | (and Mer is -far- worse than that, for some odd reason[no GPU support?]) |
| 12:50.18 | alterego | Probably yeah |
| 12:50.33 | ZogG | hello brothers |
| 12:50.36 | alterego | MeeGo has newer sgx drivers so that certainly helps |
| 12:50.46 | RobbieThe1st | Out of curiosity - Have you tried editing "/etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini" and changing the value to 1? |
| 12:51.20 | RobbieThe1st | It makes things feel more "consistant"(far less tearing), but a tad bit more sluggish for me. |
| 12:51.40 | alterego | I have not, |
| 12:52.01 | alterego | I might just turn transitions off completely tbh :P |
| 12:52.37 | RobbieThe1st | Out of curiosity, would you mind trying it(I assume you've got your n900 handy)? I'd love to see if it happens to more than just me. |
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| 13:31.43 | ZogG | how can i take screenshot in portrait mode? |
| 13:31.49 | ZogG | with scrot and timeout? |
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| 13:33.26 | lopz | hi ;) |
| 13:34.04 | ZogG | hey |
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| 13:34.30 | psycho_oreos | maybe if you're using matan's 9-desktop hack you might be able to with Ctrl+Shift+P |
| 13:34.31 | ZogG | i see the people are saving shabbas here =) |
| 13:34.43 | psycho_oreos | shabbas? |
| 13:34.55 | ZogG | psycho_oreos how can i as i open keyboard and get landscape |
| 13:34.56 | pupnik | no work! except to pick up poodles |
| 13:35.01 | ZogG | wait i can slide half keyboard |
| 13:35.02 | ZogG | wait |
| 13:35.34 | psycho_oreos | hmm there's an app you can get to set screenshot in a certain time frame |
| 13:35.54 | pupnik | why would rotation break a screenshot i wonder |
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| 13:36.52 | psycho_oreos | the other would be a very ugly hack and that is using x11vnc, connecting to it and then screenshot from the client side of x11vnc |
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| 13:43.19 | messerting | Hi, on my N900 (PR1.3) when I press "update" in the package manager there's no update, but if I do "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" there is this libillumination0 to be updated |
| 13:43.25 | messerting | Is it safe to update? |
| 13:45.08 | psycho_oreos | depends on which repo that deb file is coming from |
| 13:45.37 | messerting | psycho_oreos: how can I tell? Can apt-get be more verbose? |
| 13:46.16 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, apt-get upgrade canbreak your system |
| 13:46.21 | SpeedEvil | Or is that dist-upgrade |
| 13:46.22 | SpeedEvil | I forget |
| 13:46.27 | messerting | Tried -V option |
| 13:46.29 | messerting | Got 0.1.20100215-1 => 0.1.20100702-1 |
| 13:46.45 | psycho_oreos | dist-upgrade can break your system |
| 13:47.01 | SpeedEvil | Is upgrade safe though? |
| 13:47.16 | ZogG | pupnik cause you can't press buttons =) |
| 13:47.24 | ZogG | damn it mistery |
| 13:47.29 | ZogG | i did make screensht |
| 13:47.34 | ZogG | but can't find it on device |
| 13:47.37 | ZogG | it's in photos |
| 13:47.53 | ZogG | but where on device? it shows that it;s in screenshot dir |
| 13:47.54 | psycho_oreos | messerting, you can append -s for simulate, it may then show where it retrieves the file |
| 13:47.57 | ZogG | but i don't see it |
| 13:48.09 | messerting | psycho_oreos: ok thx |
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| 13:56.17 | MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> Is upgrade safe though? | yes |
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| 14:05.05 | messerting | Ok, apt-get -V -s upgrade gives: Inst libillumination0 [0.1.20100215-1] (0.1.20100702-1 Extras:2.0/fremantle-1.3 |
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| 14:27.00 | jacekowski | i bought vodafone sim to play with that cbsms |
| 14:27.18 | jacekowski | i was expecting that they will require my name or sometihng |
| 14:27.21 | jacekowski | and they did |
| 14:27.41 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 14:27.50 | SpeedEvil | People of the UK! |
| 14:27.51 | jacekowski | but when i told them that i'm john smith they had no problems with it |
| 14:28.13 | SpeedEvil | Well - cheap people of the UK. |
| 14:28.44 | psycho_oreos | how reliable are their service over there anyway? |
| 14:28.46 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile is offering a free 'blackberry' SIM, with 500M/mo of data on it, activated when you top up 10 quid |
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| 14:29.11 | SpeedEvil | for 6 months |
| 14:29.16 | jacekowski | psycho_oreos: dunno i just bought it to test cbsms |
| 14:29.24 | jacekowski | as they are only uk network that is sending it |
| 14:29.43 | psycho_oreos | jacekowski, fair enough :) let me know if its shit because vodaphone is getting its arse raped down here ;) |
| 14:29.56 | SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/free-blackberry-sim-cards/ |
| 14:30.02 | jacekowski | where? |
| 14:30.21 | psycho_oreos | Australia, they're getting sued by many people for poor quality |
| 14:30.33 | psycho_oreos | poor quality, poor service |
| 14:30.37 | jacekowski | what do you mean by quality? |
| 14:30.56 | psycho_oreos | call dropouts, lack of connection when moving from a few metres, etc |
| 14:31.13 | jacekowski | as in crap signal |
| 14:31.17 | jacekowski | that's normal thing here |
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| 14:31.48 | psycho_oreos | and they had the customer's details database left open here too |
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| 14:33.56 | psycho_oreos | I wonder if matan released updated hildon-home |
| 14:34.47 | jacekowski | Jan 22 14:34:31 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[802]: ISI_SMS .465545> resp_cell_broadcast_subscription(): Incoming cell broadcast receive status:0 OK |
| 14:34.54 | jacekowski | Jan 22 14:34:35 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[802]: ISI_SMS .702941> incoming_cell_broadcast(): Incoming cell broadcast |
| 14:35.06 | jacekowski | Jan 22 14:34:31 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[802]: com.nokia.phone.net: get_network_time_info returned: y:100 m:100 d:100 h:100 m:100 s:100 tz:100 dl:100 |
| 14:35.18 | jacekowski | time is still useless on vodafone |
| 14:35.31 | jacekowski | Jan 22 14:35:26 Nokia-N900 cellular: csd[802]: ISI_SMS .548705> incoming_cell_broadcast(): Incoming cell broadcast |
| 14:36.11 | jacekowski | but cell broadcast is happening |
| 14:42.32 | psycho_oreos | what was matan's other repo? not the my.arava.co.il one |
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| 14:46.29 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 14:46.33 | jacekowski | anybody familiar with dbus? |
| 14:47.23 | jacekowski | i see function processing that cell broadcast calling dbus_message_new_signal( "/com/nokia/phone/SMS", "Phone.SMS", "IncomingCBS"); |
| 14:47.27 | jacekowski | something like that |
| 14:53.10 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
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| 15:12.34 | jonwil | getting somewhere with the internet status menu item thing, right now I need to understand the mysteries of gconf |
| 15:14.04 | jonwil | Remind me never to take a paid job involving development using glib, gtk, gconf or related libraries, no way could I work with this stuff in a paid environment :) |
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| 15:23.27 | alterego | Why do you need to know the "mysteries" of gconf? |
| 15:23.35 | alterego | And what don't you get? :P |
| 15:24.18 | MohammadAG | QSettings/ini > gconf |
| 15:24.36 | alterego | QSettings doesn't have events |
| 15:24.43 | jonwil | reverse engineering gconf is a pain |
| 15:25.01 | jonwil | specifically finding out where different gconf entries come from... |
| 15:25.05 | alterego | Why are you reverse engineering open source software? |
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| 15:26.15 | MohammadAG | <alterego> QSettings doesn't have events |
| 15:26.25 | MohammadAG | the signal when a value's changed? |
| 15:26.32 | alterego | yes |
| 15:26.33 | MohammadAG | it's kinda neat, but meh |
| 15:26.40 | jonwil | I am not reverse engineering gconf |
| 15:26.50 | jonwil | I am reverse engineering something closed that talks to gconf |
| 15:26.54 | MohammadAG | gconf's open, why r.e? |
| 15:27.00 | MohammadAG | i know |
| 15:27.11 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 15:27.17 | alterego | jonwil: right, well don't say you're reversing gconf then :P |
| 15:27.19 | MohammadAG | i see alterego already mentioned that :P |
| 15:27.23 | jonwil | heh :P |
| 15:27.52 | MohammadAG | just string the binary |
| 15:28.01 | MohammadAG | you'll get all gconf paths as plaintext |
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| 15:29.05 | alterego | Yeah, that'd work |
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| 15:29.14 | alterego | Or, monitor gconf .. |
| 15:32.07 | MohammadAG | no need |
| 15:33.19 | trumee | OT:is there any way to get to a particular month in gmail.com |
| 15:33.49 | MohammadAG | jonwil, /system/osso/connectivity/network_type |
| 15:33.57 | MohammadAG | is the only one in the status menu applet |
| 15:33.59 | trumee | i want to find emails in March 2008. and i have to wade through all the emails clicking on "Older" |
| 15:34.30 | lcukn900 | trumee advanced search works afaik |
| 15:34.51 | trumee | lcukn900: thanks |
| 15:35.35 | trumee | lcukn900: nice one. saved me lot of time :) |
| 15:36.00 | lcukn900 | i hear that a lot. |
| 15:37.00 | HRH_H_Crab | bah |
| 15:37.07 | HRH_H_Crab | i think my usb could be on the way out. |
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| 15:37.46 | HRH_H_Crab | am i right in thinking that if it appears to be o.k. (you get an orange flashing light when charging and the usb icon etc) but it seems to not be charging properly, the connection could be working loose? |
| 15:38.42 | buntfalke | hi |
| 15:38.53 | ShadowJK | could be |
| 15:38.58 | HRH_H_Crab | bah |
| 15:39.20 | ShadowJK | what does "seems to not be charging properly" mean? |
| 15:39.32 | HRH_H_Crab | well it just took forever |
| 15:40.05 | buntfalke | How to configure the repo needed for http://maemo.org/packages/view/libicd-network-dummy/? |
| 15:40.11 | buntfalke | How to configure the repo needed for http://maemo.org/packages/view/libicd-network-dummy/ ? |
| 15:40.22 | HRH_H_Crab | i kept switching between the computer usb charger and the wall charger and it seems to be charged now |
| 15:40.26 | buntfalke | So, I can see the name, but what are the URLs? |
| 15:40.48 | HRH_H_Crab | im thinking that the connections not clean but at some point it connected well enough to charge. |
| 15:40.55 | ShadowJK | could be the dc adapter too |
| 15:41.16 | ShadowJK | There should only be a single yellow flash before the glowing starts |
| 15:41.18 | HRH_H_Crab | its strange |
| 15:41.20 | psycho_oreos | why are you using libicd-network-dummy when there's libicd-network-null? |
| 15:41.34 | HRH_H_Crab | because it was running while connected to the computer |
| 15:41.43 | HRH_H_Crab | and left overnight to charge |
| 15:41.58 | HRH_H_Crab | but as soon as i unplugged it, it signalled the battery was empty |
| 15:42.09 | HRH_H_Crab | so its like it has enough power to run, but not charge the battery |
| 15:42.13 | MohammadAG | could be bme being retarded |
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| 15:42.24 | HRH_H_Crab | now, i know that sometimes when the battery is too low you must charge from the wall |
| 15:42.25 | MohammadAG | happened to me last week |
| 15:42.29 | HRH_H_Crab | so id put it down to that. |
| 15:42.41 | MohammadAG | popped out battery and put it back in, 80 percent battery |
| 15:42.51 | HRH_H_Crab | yeah i had that once before |
| 15:43.01 | HRH_H_Crab | it wouldnt charge i popped battery - all good. |
| 15:43.07 | HRH_H_Crab | but this morning that didnt seem to work. |
| 15:43.09 | HRH_H_Crab | :| |
| 15:43.15 | buntfalke | psycho_oreos: Cause that's in -devel and -dummy is in a stable, more trusted repo. Either way -- where to find the URLs for the repo? In case I want something else of it? |
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| 15:43.35 | HRH_H_Crab | however, as i say probably by blind luck it seems fully charged now. |
| 15:43.55 | HRH_H_Crab | i might try and invest in a standalone battery charger and avoid using usb altogether. |
| 15:43.58 | HRH_H_Crab | :| |
| 15:44.14 | HRH_H_Crab | bloody paranoid about that connection from all ive been reading. |
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| 15:45.43 | psycho_oreos | buntfalke, its in nokia-binaries |
| 15:45.45 | chiwawa_42 | Hi ! I'm looking for a way to flash my N900 from anything else than windows. Any hint ? |
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| 15:45.55 | buntfalke | psycho_oreos: which is located where? |
| 15:45.57 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 15:46.10 | HRH_H_Crab | chiwawa_42: i think you can flash it from any os that supports tftp |
| 15:46.10 | xDaReaperx | is there any chances of running Java games ? |
| 15:46.16 | xDaReaperx | using MicroEmulator ? |
| 15:46.24 | xDaReaperx | more like .jar files |
| 15:46.37 | HRH_H_Crab | there is some key sequence that sets it up as a tftp client when you power it on iirc |
| 15:47.13 | chiwawa_42 | HRH_H_Crab: great ! thanks for the hint, i'll look for a howto |
| 15:47.35 | chiwawa_42 | about the OS image, is PR1.3 the latest avaible ? |
| 15:47.38 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 15:47.38 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:47.42 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 15:47.46 | psycho_oreos | buntfalke, http://repository.maemo.org |
| 15:49.03 | buntfalke | uh. *facepalm* |
| 15:49.05 | buntfalke | thanks psycho_oreos :-D |
| 15:50.48 | psycho_oreos | buntfalke, btw you need a token (once accepted to nokia's eula) for the use of nokia-binaries in scratchbox.. its under http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/<token>/nokia-binaries/libi/ |
| 15:51.10 | psycho_oreos | s/dists/pool/ |
| 15:51.30 | Venemo | hey guys |
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| 15:52.44 | alterego | Happy birthday Venemo |
| 15:53.14 | Venemo | thanks alterego :) |
| 15:53.20 | Venemo | alterego: how did you know? :P |
| 15:57.14 | buntfalke | psycho_oreos: thanks. what would the advantage of -null be? |
| 15:57.20 | buntfalke | except for "it's free"? |
| 15:58.17 | psycho_oreos | buntfalke, it seems to be recommended as `better' when you are following the guides for setting up USB networking |
| 15:59.13 | buntfalke | read that, too |
| 15:59.18 | buntfalke | still dunno why though :/ |
| 16:00.07 | psycho_oreos | you can't read the source of dummy, so how can you really trust it? plus you can't compare the two when there's no sources for dummy |
| 16:00.19 | psycho_oreos | I think the answer sort of becomes evident |
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| 16:01.02 | MrBawb | hm, anyone know anything about usb gadget mode? I'm trying to get my n900 to pretend to be a hid device. I have the gadgetfs module loaded, but everything trying to use it just segfaults |
| 16:01.13 | psycho_oreos | its much like using a proprietary driver which uses `black magic' to make it work versus an open sourced driver which hides nothing and can be made verbose to give you more control |
| 16:03.31 | buntfalke | psycho_oreos: oh...the -dummy is not just non-free in the debian sense, it's even closed? I see. |
| 16:03.34 | buntfalke | thanks |
| 16:03.43 | jonwil | Can you run a GDB remote on the N900 device (so you can talk to it from a desktop GDB install)? |
| 16:04.16 | psycho_oreos | buntfalke, afaik from google searches libicd-network-dummy is available in nokia-binaries.. and nokia-binaries obviously means no source codes |
| 16:04.36 | buntfalke | jonwil: gdb has a remote protocol which you can push over virutally anything afaik. serial, tcp, ... |
| 16:04.49 | jacekowski | jonwil: you can |
| 16:04.59 | jonwil | ok, what do I install and run on my N900 then? |
| 16:05.05 | jacekowski | apt-get install gdb |
| 16:05.12 | buntfalke | jonwil: gdb :-) |
| 16:05.19 | jacekowski | it's all in manual |
| 16:05.19 | buntfalke | jonwil: it's nothing n900 special |
| 16:06.55 | Arkenoi | something makes my phone incredibly slow after 2 days uptime.. could be crochik mycontacts.. |
| 16:07.52 | jacekowski | nope |
| 16:07.56 | jacekowski | it's known problem |
| 16:08.00 | jacekowski | use swappolube |
| 16:13.45 | RST38h | 2 days? no. |
| 16:14.10 | RST38h | and donot use swappolube, it is90% snakeoil |
| 16:16.28 | jacekowski | isn't swappolube moving swap around? |
| 16:16.34 | RST38h | no |
| 16:16.45 | jacekowski | ok |
| 16:18.03 | jacekowski | psycho_oreos: everybody has same token |
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| 16:21.45 | buntfalke | jacekowski: haha, that's funny :-) i like that idea. (same token) |
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| 16:22.27 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 16:23.14 | TiagoTiago | do we have a GUI'd editor for the hardware keyboard on the N900 yet? |
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| 16:24.01 | buntfalke | TiagoTiago: i thought i saw one in extras? might misremember... |
| 16:27.12 | chiwawa_42 | damn flashing procedure, I think I messed it up. N900 rebooted after the eMMC althoght i didn't ask for it (no -R). Now, sticking the USB cable while holding the U key does nothing. Any way to recover that ? |
| 16:29.24 | chiwawa_42 | correction, it's back on the bcklit-less "nokia" screen with the USB logo, but flasher is still waiting for device |
| 16:30.50 | TiagoTiago | there is one for the symbols virtual keyboard and one for the regular virtual keyboards (which actually is mostly a text editor with error checking and a few other specialized functions), but not for the hardware keyboard itself |
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| 16:37.40 | jacekowski | chiwawa_42: strange |
| 16:37.43 | jacekowski | chiwawa_42: power it off |
| 16:37.49 | jacekowski | chiwawa_42: as in, remove battery |
| 16:37.52 | jacekowski | chiwawa_42: and wait |
| 16:37.56 | TiagoTiago | i remember a while ago someone here said there was one in the works, dunno if it still is |
| 16:37.58 | jacekowski | chiwawa_42: and try doing it again |
| 16:38.09 | chiwawa_42 | jacekowski: yeah, just did that, i'm installing the flasher on a linux box instead of a mac now |
| 16:38.17 | jacekowski | ekhm |
| 16:38.21 | jacekowski | you expect it to work on mac |
| 16:38.28 | chiwawa_42 | expectED |
| 16:38.33 | jacekowski | mac has so fubar usb stack that it makes me want to cry |
| 16:38.51 | chiwawa_42 | well, thought the built a flasher for it, so it *should* have worked |
| 16:39.03 | chiwawa_42 | but you're right, that was foolish of me |
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| 16:39.57 | kerio | flashed perfectly fine on os x |
| 16:43.14 | chiwawa_42 | ok, starting over under linux, first step is looking good |
| 16:43.59 | HRH_H_Crab | chiwawa_42: apologies for putting you on the wrong path with my tftp nonsense and thanks to MohammadAG for putting you right! |
| 16:44.03 | chiwawa_42 | FUCK, second command rebooted the n900 before flashing it... |
| 16:44.40 | HRH_H_Crab | chiwawa_42: from what i hear it should be pretty tricky to kill it, so just relax and keep going |
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| 16:45.41 | chiwawa_42 | trying again... |
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| 16:47.16 | chiwawa_42 | HRH_H_Crab: no problem, I corrected it when realizing tftp would first require an ethernet port and IP stack, so I looked for "command line flashing n900" and got that right |
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| 16:49.48 | chiwawa_42 | great, it's back alive and up to date; It just scarred the shit out of me |
| 16:49.51 | RST38h | Minorly hilarious list: https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/blocklist/ |
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| 17:13.34 | RST38h | javispedro: thanks for the radio! it is the first maemo radio that works for me |
| 17:15.45 | MohammadAG | what's it called again? |
| 17:16.03 | javispedro | cfmradio |
| 17:16.19 | javispedro | RST38h: recently updated to fix a bug where it scrolled madly on the presets list |
| 17:16.32 | javispedro | unfortunately the fix involved going deeper into the gtk+ madhouse so... |
| 17:17.06 | MohammadAG | why do gtk apps start up faster than Qt ones? |
| 17:17.28 | javispedro | because the libs are constantly keep in memory by the system |
| 17:17.32 | javispedro | *kept |
| 17:17.57 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 17:18.04 | MohammadAG | when it says Bluetooth turned on |
| 17:18.11 | MohammadAG | shouldn't it actually turn on? |
| 17:18.16 | MohammadAG | oh, worked second try |
| 17:18.35 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 17:18.38 | MohammadAG | no headset requirement |
| 17:18.51 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 17:19.02 | MohammadAG | no kinetic scrolling |
| 17:19.04 | MohammadAG | this is awesome |
| 17:21.25 | javispedro | it has autoscan, and will name presets by the rds data when you first tune into them |
| 17:21.43 | MohammadAG | why does it have more than 107 labeled? |
| 17:22.01 | MohammadAG | I thought the hardware supported upto 107.9 |
| 17:22.22 | javispedro | that's a not a client app problem, but a kernel driver problem. I just read whatever the kernel says for min/max. |
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| 17:27.07 | javispedro | on my region at least v4l says 87.5 -> 108.0 |
| 17:28.38 | MohammadAG | how does fmradio-wide gets all frequencies? |
| 17:28.44 | MohammadAG | ponders a modded kernel driver that exposes all ranges |
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| 17:29.45 | javispedro | they probably either do that or change the region on the fly |
| 17:29.46 | MohammadAG | broadcom radio chip right? |
| 17:30.03 | javispedro | yep |
| 17:30.15 | kerio | v4l-ctl can select *all* the supported frequencies |
| 17:30.30 | kerio | but even on region "Other" (which should support everything) the UI still doesn't show 108 |
| 17:30.35 | kerio | it reaches 107.9 |
| 17:30.55 | MohammadAG | or Japan wide band |
| 17:31.01 | javispedro | which UI? |
| 17:31.10 | javispedro | with mine on stock europe I can tune to 108.0 just fine |
| 17:31.14 | MohammadAG | .bottom_frequency= 76000, |
| 17:31.14 | MohammadAG | .top_frequency= 108000, |
| 17:31.16 | kerio | the "FM transmitter" dialog |
| 17:31.21 | javispedro | aaaaah. |
| 17:31.22 | ds3 | maybe it is just writing to the PLL registers? |
| 17:31.33 | w00t_ | dotblank: if you want to use (or contribute) to libgroove in some way, you're welcome |
| 17:31.49 | w00t_ | I don't have much plans to expand it, so |
| 17:32.26 | javispedro | kerio: I at least was talking about fmrx :) |
| 17:32.33 | kerio | ooh |
| 17:32.34 | kerio | i see |
| 17:32.41 | kerio | who the hell uses that |
| 17:33.24 | dotblank | w00t_, alright.. its probably a bit outdated since the recent api changes |
| 17:33.32 | dotblank | but I havn't checked yet |
| 17:33.48 | w00t_ | dotblank: it works, at least, I have no idea if it's in good condition though :) |
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| 17:33.55 | w00t_ | (I spent last night fixing it) |
| 17:35.10 | dotblank | Yea I really think libgroove is the way to go |
| 17:35.26 | dotblank | then you could implement a file handler too like groove://songid |
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| 18:12.31 | pupnik_ | who has experience with PreENV? |
| 18:12.37 | pupnik_ | http://www.precentral.net/x-plane-9 X-plane 9 for Palm Pre (prenv? N900 also?) |
| 18:13.08 | RST38h | yes. |
| 18:15.44 | javispedro | I love that one, btw. |
| 18:16.04 | RST38h | is going togive HAWX another try |
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| 18:17.06 | RST38h | javispedro: btw, is having a few old-style radio backgrounds completely out of the question? |
| 18:17.45 | MohammadAG | RST38h, open source, fix it :p |
| 18:18.30 | javispedro | the widget is rendered by cairo vector stuff, not by blitting pixmaps, so it might be hard |
| 18:18.32 | RST38h | Mohammad: currently having toruble fixing some non-open-source things... |
| 18:18.40 | javispedro | unless all you want is the background |
| 18:18.48 | RST38h | javispedro: All I want is the background |
| 18:18.56 | RST38h | javispedro: no fancy stuff |
| 18:19.34 | RST38h | And I think wazd had the right background somewhere |
| 18:19.55 | javispedro | well, I guess that should be easy enough, but I won't put it in the main builds (I personally prefer the current UI so far) |
| 18:20.26 | RST38h | why not make it optional? |
| 18:20.34 | RST38h | it does not change the UI after all |
| 18:21.01 | javispedro | it depends on how gtk+ does it, I'm pondering if I will need to learn about how to make transparent cairo surfaces |
| 18:22.21 | RST38h | gtk has something like set_bg_bitmap |
| 18:22.28 | RST38h | for a widget |
| 18:24.01 | jonwil | RST38h, what non-open-source things are you having trouble with? |
| 18:24.31 | RST38h | jonwil: various things. |
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| 18:24.48 | javispedro | jonwil: so, how's your rewriting maemo thing going? :) |
| 18:25.09 | jonwil | heh, I am not rewriting maemo, just cloning a few usefull bits that might help people out :) |
| 18:25.36 | pupnik_ | good |
| 18:25.36 | jonwil | still knee deep inside libconnui and connui-internet-status-menu-item |
| 18:26.13 | jonwil | if libconnui-dev pacakge existed I would be much further along :P |
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| 18:30.45 | buntfalke | how to keep the screen from turning off after some time when /not/ connected to the charger? |
| 18:31.11 | lardman|home | buntfalke: settings > display iirc |
| 18:31.16 | MohammadAG | javispedro, wanna hop on board? :P |
| 18:31.27 | lardman|home | hey chaps, how's things? |
| 18:31.27 | MohammadAG | continues rewriting stock control panel applets |
| 18:31.37 | RST38h | lardman: gnarly! |
| 18:31.44 | lardman|home | :) |
| 18:31.48 | MohammadAG | buntfalke, simple-brightness-applet, hold the icon in the status menu |
| 18:32.10 | lardman|home | has just done oil change and brakes on his car, been a long day's worth |
| 18:32.20 | MohammadAG | RST38h, groovy |
| 18:32.20 | buntfalke | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 18:32.28 | buntfalke | lardman|home: that doesnt offer this |
| 18:32.37 | buntfalke | lardman|home: only "keep illuminated when charging" |
| 18:33.03 | lardman|home | buntfalke: gives you a timeout when not charging doesn't it? Also see MohammadAG's post above |
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| 18:34.22 | buntfalke | lardman|home: ack |
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| 18:39.41 | jonwil | After I get somewhere with this applet (or if I decide to stop and move onto something else |
| 18:39.47 | jonwil | then I will have a go at battery appley |
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| 18:39.49 | jonwil | applet |
| 18:39.59 | jonwil | that is status-area-applet-battery |
| 18:40.05 | jonwil | which should be fairly simple |
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| 19:05.15 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | buntfalke: simple brightness applet |
| 19:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | oh |
| 19:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | nm |
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| 19:17.14 | piggz | nightmare, n900 has now been in for repair for ~10 days! using an aged nokia 5800 |
| 19:17.58 | Venemo | piggz: I agree, it is a nightmare |
| 19:18.32 | piggz | altho, nokia maps works! ;) .... closely follwoing the ovi maps thread |
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| 19:19.01 | Venemo | hehe |
| 19:19.24 | Venemo | does anyone have any experience with lvm? |
| 19:21.07 | jacekowski | i do |
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| 19:30.24 | trumee | Venemo, any plans of bumping sticky notes to extras? |
| 19:30.54 | Venemo | trumee: yes |
| 19:31.00 | Venemo | trumee: it didn't happen yet though |
| 19:31.15 | Venemo | trumee: do you think the current release is stable enough? |
| 19:31.57 | trumee | Venemo, i am using yellow notes now after a recent reflash. it was working well before |
| 19:32.19 | trumee | Venemo, have stopped using things from -devel atm. |
| 19:32.41 | Venemo | trumee: ah, understandable |
| 19:32.49 | Venemo | trumee: you can dl the .deb from the package interface |
| 19:33.04 | trumee | has crazy logic that apps from devel screw up Sip on the device |
| 19:33.48 | trumee | Venemo, nobody had compaints about it on tmo |
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| 19:33.59 | trumee | Venemo, after your last update |
| 19:34.29 | Venemo | trumee: okay, you convinced me :) |
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| 19:34.51 | Venemo | jacekowski: the situation is already solved, but thanks :) |
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| 20:25.44 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/rotatedlabel/blobs/master/qrotatedlabel.cpp :P |
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| 20:57.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 20:57.35 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: thanks |
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| 21:50.39 | maemo__ | hello |
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| 21:55.47 | ArGGu^^ | hi |
| 21:56.23 | ArGGu^^ | aa he quit already :S |
| 21:58.45 | ArGGu^^ | spend whole day to figuring how to get current artist and title from maemo mediaplayer :S |
| 21:59.16 | ArGGu^^ | via dbus I mean |
| 21:59.18 | MohammadAG | metadata-changed |
| 21:59.38 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 21:59.39 | MohammadAG | get |
| 21:59.48 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG I got working |
| 21:59.59 | ArGGu^^ | but spend the damm whole day for it :S |
| 22:00.07 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, i'm trying to get metadata with the lib |
| 22:00.42 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG I used the lib before. but I wanted to make my app pure Qt |
| 22:00.54 | ArGGu^^ | still need to change the notification via dbus |
| 22:01.24 | MohammadAG | pure Qt and MAFW don't work :P |
| 22:01.27 | MohammadAG | what's your app? |
| 22:01.38 | ArGGu^^ | IrGGu irc client |
| 22:01.49 | ArGGu^^ | I have not put the code anywhere yet |
| 22:02.08 | MohammadAG | oh right |
| 22:02.11 | MohammadAG | forgot that :p |
| 22:02.18 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG bu do you have some problem using the lib? |
| 22:02.22 | ArGGu^^ | *but |
| 22:02.30 | MohammadAG | whenever I call getCurrentMetadata() in the wrapper, the app segfaults |
| 22:02.37 | MohammadAG | or was that getStatus()... |
| 22:04.11 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG here is my old class it worked just fine http://pastebin.com/SQi3EWvk |
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| 22:08.09 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, this is the class I'm using atm, it doesn't seem to be sending anything right? http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrenderersignalhelper.cpp#line153 |
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| 22:15.03 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG are you sure it find the rendered. Because some odd reason i never got any renderes with get_renderers |
| 22:15.26 | ArGGu^^ | that why I used the signals renderer-added and renderer-removed |
| 22:15.26 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, yeah, it works with the rest of the stuff |
| 22:15.56 | ArGGu^^ | ok |
| 22:16.05 | MohammadAG | but what's a GHashTable? |
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| 22:19.08 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG what you mean what it is? |
| 22:19.24 | MohammadAG | how do I handle it in Qt? |
| 22:20.04 | ArGGu^^ | well I do not think you can change in qt variable |
| 22:20.15 | ArGGu^^ | QString::QString(g_value_get_string(mafw_metadata_first(metadata, MAFW_METADATA_KEY_ARTIST))); |
| 22:20.29 | ArGGu^^ | but used it like that to get QString artist |
| 22:21.25 | MohammadAG | ah |
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| 22:21.30 | nas_ | hello , I would like to play a sound from phone speakers , even bluetooth hands free is connected , any ideas how to do that ? I tried " gst-launch " but not sure how to put parameters ... |
| 22:22.05 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, so g_value_get_string() get the value from a ghashtable? |
| 22:22.16 | ArGGu^^ | no |
| 22:22.28 | ArGGu^^ | mafw_metadata_first() |
| 22:22.38 | ArGGu^^ | first parameter is the ghastable |
| 22:22.42 | ArGGu^^ | *hash |
| 22:22.46 | ArGGu^^ | second is key |
| 22:22.59 | ArGGu^^ | it returns Gvalue |
| 22:23.16 | ArGGu^^ | and with g_value_get_string() you get string from Gvalue |
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| 22:35.46 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, so umm |
| 22:36.00 | MohammadAG | mafw_metadata_first(ghashtable, gvalue)? |
| 22:37.24 | ArGGu^^ | no |
| 22:37.38 | ArGGu^^ | mafw_metadata_first(ghashtable, key) |
| 22:37.49 | ArGGu^^ | the key is string o something like that |
| 22:37.53 | ArGGu^^ | wait I check |
| 22:38.25 | MohammadAG | and that returns a gvalue, which g_value_get_string converts to a char |
| 22:38.26 | ArGGu^^ | mafw_metadata_first (GHashTable *md, const gchar *key); |
| 22:38.31 | MohammadAG | right? |
| 22:39.30 | ArGGu^^ | yeah it returns GValue and g_value_get_string converts it |
| 22:40.07 | ArGGu^^ | I don'Ạhave clue what the gvalue is :S |
| 22:40.19 | ArGGu^^ | but you get string from it with g_value_get_string |
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| 22:44.07 | MohammadAG | cool |
| 22:44.14 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp |
| 22:44.19 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.21 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.21 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.30 | ArGGu^^ | you get lot of good information from there |
| 22:45.49 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG there is no MAFW_METADATA_KEY_NAME |
| 22:45.53 | MohammadAG | thanks ArGGu^^ :D |
| 22:46.12 | ArGGu^^ | there is MAFW_METADATA_KEY_TITLE |
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| 22:47.41 | MohammadAG | yeah, just noticed that :) |
| 22:48.26 | MohammadAG | wonders if there's a way to get qDebug to write to stderr |
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| 22:50.16 | ieatlint | qdebug defaults to stderr |
| 22:51.19 | MohammadAG | yeah, I just learned that from #qt |
| 22:51.23 | MohammadAG | what writes stdout then |
| 22:51.25 | ieatlint | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qtglobal.html#qDebug has info, including a link about installing a new message handler |
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| 22:56.35 | MohammadAG | still segfaults ArGGu^^ |
| 22:56.47 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nvNUaR81 |
| 22:58.45 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/ULYTGUKT code |
| 22:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | what's the problem to find stdout write()? just pipe to a fifo, and see which sourceline it blocks |
| 23:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | gdb is for DeBugging |
| 23:00.19 | jacekowski | he has a bug |
| 23:00.25 | jacekowski | it's segfaulting |
| 23:00.35 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: compile with -g |
| 23:01.00 | ieatlint | i've not mixed glib/c and qt/c++ much... is it kosher to use a c++ function pointer in a c callback? |
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| 23:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | for sure not |
| 23:05.30 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG does it execute the get_current_metadata_cb at all? |
| 23:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | the callback function needs a proper environment of own breed to live in |
| 23:05.58 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/4A9EmWZy |
| 23:06.01 | MohammadAG | segfaults on line 13 |
| 23:06.09 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, yeah, see paste ^ |
| 23:06.13 | ieatlint | got to love a site that advertises "We pay the HAZMAT fees for you!" |
| 23:07.39 | messerting | Hi, my N900 sometimes doesn re-lock the screen if I slide it open, then close it, like it used to |
| 23:07.42 | messerting | Known issue? |
| 23:08.51 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG why are you giving this as parameter? |
| 23:09.22 | ArGGu^^ | I mean I don't think you should send pointer to your object |
| 23:09.37 | ArGGu^^ | gpointer user_data |
| 23:09.40 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, I didn't actually write that wapper |
| 23:09.49 | ArGGu^^ | that the last parameter |
| 23:09.51 | ieatlint | that's just a pointer, it's not the problem... |
| 23:10.05 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrendereradapter.cpp |
| 23:10.09 | ieatlint | the mafw function does not touch the user_data, it just forwards it |
| 23:10.11 | ArGGu^^ | well but if it try to use it someway |
| 23:10.12 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrenderersignalhelper.cpp |
| 23:10.14 | ieatlint | so no risk of sigsegv |
| 23:10.29 | ArGGu^^ | aa well then it is not problem |
| 23:11.04 | MohammadAG | segfault is in the first file line 295 |
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| 23:36.14 | MohammadAG | well that killed the convo :P |
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| 23:37.00 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG umm I clone your git and erased all that needed the GConfItem and then compiled it |
| 23:37.13 | ArGGu^^ | And it runs fine |
| 23:37.26 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, i didn't push a broken build |
| 23:37.32 | MohammadAG | /broken source |
| 23:37.50 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, just add mafwrenderer->getCurrentMetadata() in nowplayingwindow.cpp |
| 23:38.13 | MohammadAG | Doing it in the constructor results in a segfault |
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| 23:45.34 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG but it does segfault because you do not have any renderer when you call mafwrenderer->getCurrentMetadata() in NowPlayingWindow constructor |
| 23:45.58 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 23:48.11 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG add this->mafw_renderer = NULL to MafwRendererAdapter constructor so then it if (mafw_renderer) detect it false if there is no renderer |
| 23:48.50 | ArGGu^^ | but in nowplaying window you start the play |
| 23:49.17 | ArGGu^^ | so when you start music there is renderer |
| 23:49.24 | ArGGu^^ | but not before that |
| 23:49.31 | ArGGu^^ | unless there is already music playing |
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| 23:53.38 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, that fixed the segfault, but now creating a window from NowPlayingIndicator doesn't work |
| 23:56.36 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG what window you are trying to create from there? |
| 23:57.00 | MohammadAG | NowPlayingWindow |
| 23:57.15 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 23:57.17 | MohammadAG | it worked |
| 23:57.43 | MohammadAG | thanks ArGGu^^ ! |