| 00:00.33 | kpoman | MohammadAG: the x86 version works well |
| 00:00.39 | kpoman | at least launches the emulator |
| 00:00.49 | kpoman | and that link I gave you everything went ok |
| 00:01.20 | MohammadAG | X86 matches your CPU, so will obviously run fine |
| 00:01.25 | MohammadAG | no, run the 2 .sh files |
| 00:01.32 | MohammadAG | and it's not an emulator, it's running natively |
| 00:02.51 | kpoman | which sh files ? there are many ther |
| 00:06.13 | MohammadAG | there are only 2 |
| 00:06.53 | kpoman | but I already did download about 1GB of data... dont wanna do all that again for just a comma |
| 00:06.54 | lardman|home | hmm, well at least I know my init script was working, as I got into a reboot loop |
| 00:06.56 | kpoman | or whatever |
| 00:10.01 | lardman|home | calls it a night wondering if he needs to mknod for the block devices so his init script checks can find the Meego sd card |
| 00:10.08 | lardman|home | night all |
| 00:13.59 | trx | hmm |
| 00:14.17 | trx | i'm trying to install qt into my scratchbox |
| 00:14.27 | trx | armel target one |
| 00:14.36 | trx | i do fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev |
| 00:15.18 | trx | and it downloads the packages, and when it tried to install them, it fails, because it downloaded the i386 debs |
| 00:15.27 | trx | tries* |
| 00:15.39 | trx | how can i tell it to download the arm packages? |
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| 00:18.23 | MohammadAG | some conf in apt |
| 00:18.24 | MohammadAG | sec |
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| 00:20.19 | MohammadAG | right |
| 00:20.23 | MohammadAG | read man apt.conf |
| 00:25.44 | javispedro | trx: did you something weird on your sdk setup like untarring the i386 rootfs on the armel target? |
| 00:26.02 | javispedro | gotta love the n9atom thread.. |
| 00:26.11 | javispedro | bookmarks for tomorrows' laughs |
| 00:26.34 | trx | javispedro no, i havent messed with that |
| 00:27.46 | javispedro | trx: just to be sure, do "readelf -h /usr/bin/apt-get | grep Machine". Expect "ARM" . |
| 00:27.48 | trx | MohammadAG it says : bash: read: `apt.conf`: not a valid identifier |
| 00:27.54 | javispedro | (in the armel target) |
| 00:28.01 | trx | javispedro ill try |
| 00:28.26 | trx | it said Machine : ARM |
| 00:28.39 | wmarone | idle speculation is always fun |
| 00:29.02 | jonwil | does anything on the N900 grab things sent to syslog? |
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| 00:29.44 | MohammadAG | sysklogd if installed |
| 00:29.45 | BCMM | jonwil: by default, i believe not |
| 00:30.58 | javispedro | trx: check what "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH" sais |
| 00:31.01 | javispedro | *says |
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| 00:32.17 | trx | it says : |
| 00:32.24 | trx | Use of uninitialized value in split at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-architecture line 189. |
| 00:32.26 | trx | armel |
| 00:33.03 | javispedro | your sb setup seems to be broken |
| 00:33.31 | javispedro | why are you using lenny either way? |
| 00:33.46 | javispedro | you should be using etch, or the latest squeeze if anything |
| 00:34.00 | javispedro | (as devkit I mean =) ) |
| 00:34.15 | trx | dont know really, this is what i got when i installed scratch box :) |
| 00:34.27 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/ssu/vte] > ls /scratchbox/devkits/ |
| 00:34.28 | MohammadAG | apt-https/ debian-etch/ debian-lenny/ debian-sarge/ doctools/ git/ perl/ qemu/ svn/ |
| 00:34.29 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:34.40 | javispedro | MohammadAG: sb-conf show |
| 00:35.18 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/ssu/vte] > sb-conf show |
| 00:35.21 | MohammadAG | Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 |
| 00:35.21 | MohammadAG | Devkits: perl debian-etch qemu doctools svn git |
| 00:35.21 | MohammadAG | CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb |
| 00:35.29 | javispedro | see. etch. |
| 00:36.04 | trx | ill change to etch then (hopefully) |
| 00:36.18 | javispedro | trx: if someone or something messed your sbox setup, I suggest a reinstall |
| 00:37.36 | trx | yeah, that would be the best way, but it takes too long |
| 00:37.42 | trx | i only need to compile a lib |
| 00:37.53 | trx | which takes 2 min |
| 00:38.00 | trx | but no, my sb has to be broken :/ |
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| 00:38.39 | MohammadAG | cachcing scratchbox files = ftw |
| 00:38.47 | MohammadAG | I can install in 5-10 mins :) |
| 00:38.51 | BCMM | MohammadAG: caching how? |
| 00:39.18 | javispedro | has not reinstalled sbox since the first time I got my n810.. |
| 00:39.19 | BCMM | i mean, what sort of caching |
| 00:39.32 | MohammadAG | copying /tmp, copying /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:39.37 | MohammadAG | copying back on installation |
| 00:39.40 | javispedro | it's been there, on its own lvm lv and survived a few main OS reinstalls =) |
| 00:39.45 | MohammadAG | or make a custom script that does it for you |
| 00:39.57 | MohammadAG | I have scratchbox on a separate partition |
| 00:41.49 | trx | ok, with dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH i no longer get an error |
| 00:42.05 | trx | thats a start :) |
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| 00:42.27 | javispedro | I do not thin that will fix it per se. |
| 00:43.42 | trx | me too |
| 00:45.18 | jonwil | So I want to install sysklogd from where? |
| 00:45.36 | trx | from the repos |
| 00:45.45 | javispedro | jonwil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
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| 00:56.35 | jonwil | ok, I installed syslog but I am not getting any syslog messages |
| 00:56.50 | jonwil | and syslog is running |
| 00:56.56 | jonwil | syslogd |
| 00:58.02 | MohammadAG | /var/log/syslog |
| 00:58.43 | jonwil | yes I see that |
| 00:58.49 | jonwil | but its not putting syslog messages in there |
| 00:58.52 | jonwil | only some kernel stuff |
| 01:00.36 | jonwil | I get plenty of kernel messages (which is not what I want) |
| 01:00.45 | jonwil | but nothing at all from code I am sure is calling syslog/vsyslog |
| 01:14.36 | jonwil | duh, I dont think the 3G towers I am talking to are sending Cell Broadcast... |
| 01:21.19 | jonwil | yep, its confirmed. None of the networks in Australia send the Cell Broadcast location messages |
| 01:24.58 | jonwil | the 3G ones at least |
| 01:26.40 | jonwil | so after all that work, it looks like A.There is unspecified Cell Broadcast related code in the n900 SMS libraries that may or may not do something usefull and B.even if it did something usefull, I have no way to test what it does because the tower doesn't send broadcast messages anyway |
| 01:28.45 | nox- | i suppose you could package something up so others can test on other towers/operators? |
| 01:30.34 | jonwil | I didnt have anything to package up. All I know is that there is code related to cell broadcast inside libsms but not what it does or where it sends the messages |
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| 01:36.03 | jonwil | will add some more to the relavent bugzilla bug |
| 01:37.02 | SpeedEvil | Have you any useful testing others in regions that do CVS could do? |
| 01:40.47 | jonwil | I dont know of any 3G operator doing cell broadcast over 3G towers |
| 01:41.04 | jonwil | Will post the info I have in the bugzilla bug and let it go from there |
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| 01:48.24 | lucent | MohammadAG: how'd you set up scratchbox, what is the distro on your host computer? I was unable to get it set up properly here following the SDK guides |
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| 01:58.54 | jonwil | ok, comment added to bug 8347 |
| 01:58.55 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 02:02.08 | jonwil | Now I have to think of some other app/code to write for my N900 :P |
| 02:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: my carrier definitely is sending CB-SMS on channel 221 |
| 02:03.09 | jonwil | is this a 3G tower? |
| 02:03.31 | lucent | I have no 3G tower nearby to test with, sorry |
| 02:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | nope, this is with a 2G Nokia 6210 |
| 02:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | but that's no problem. I could force N900 to 2G anyway |
| 02:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | As CB-SMS is specified for 3G as well as 2G, I don't think there's a huge difference in how that's handled inside modem |
| 02:05.46 | nox- | that network info(?) tool btw already displays cellids |
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| 02:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | s/CB-SMS/SMS-CB/g |
| 02:06.49 | javispedro | great |
| 02:07.01 | javispedro | I jus had a fscking kernel panic WHILE reflashing =) |
| 02:07.01 | nox- | ah no its called netmon |
| 02:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | cell-id yes. But that's basically worthless |
| 02:07.08 | nox- | eww |
| 02:07.15 | nox- | heh yeah |
| 02:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | bbl, out for a burger |
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| 02:07.45 | jonwil | If we can get info/code (either from Nokia or reverse engineered by someone with more ARM skills than me) on just what libsms and csd-sms are doing with the Cell Broadcast messages and what needs to be built on top of that code to actually support SMS-CB on the N900, then we can find someone on a carrier where they can get a SMS-CB message |
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| 02:09.15 | nox- | at least there is http://www.opencellid.org/ and some unoffical(?) google apis to query their cellid db... |
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| 02:12.40 | nox- | bbl |
| 02:13.42 | javispedro | great, I just wanted to a boot a kernel, now it's fiasco reflash time |
| 02:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | hands javispedro a cookie |
| 02:15.40 | javispedro | hum, I've noticed that the cherry thing (which I conveniently forgot to disable) does run without hildon-desktop |
| 02:15.52 | javispedro | meaning it's a perfect case to see how tear-free it scrolls. |
| 02:15.59 | nox- | that does sounds like some fiasco... |
| 02:16.20 | nox- | anyway im off |
| 02:20.20 | javispedro | curses and blasphemes |
| 02:20.28 | javispedro | thank god it's friday tomorrow :S |
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| 03:02.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | big king XXL - yummy |
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| 04:21.48 | SpeedEvil | random - I'm in the process of writing a tool to extract pricing information from the tesco grocery website, so I can sort by price. This is interesting, but is half of a useful idea. Does anyone know of a website that has a compatible licence - so I can take the list of recipies, and out pops a price/recipie? |
| 04:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | recipe like "how to bake a cake"? |
| 04:26.14 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 04:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
| 04:27.01 | SpeedEvil | I want to be able to generate an app that can plan meals per couple of weeks, based on prices, and what you've got in stock. |
| 04:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | killer app :-D |
| 04:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall there's been al annoying sorts of (C) and suing with recipes on the web |
| 04:28.22 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 04:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | house wives - worse than lawyers |
| 04:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | knitting another similar domain |
| 04:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | and programs for electronic stiching machines - OMG |
| 04:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | probably worse a market than ringtones for mobile phones |
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| 04:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | I guess accessing arbitrary websites via wget or linking can't violate any (C) |
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| 04:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | they may forbid redistribution, but not downloading and postprocessing in whatever way, as long as downloading with any one browser is generally allowable |
| 04:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | embedding is a gray zone, but local processing in whatever way isn't illegal. Esp when you make user configure the URL to download the recipes from |
| 04:37.03 | luke-jr | meh, if the webserver sends me the data, it's mine to use within fair use :P |
| 04:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 04:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | and a tool that requires user interaction to set up the particular URL in some config page - there's nothing anybody can do against that. Otherwise even wget would be illegal |
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| 04:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | a wget that does special postprocessing to the data downloaded, that's perfectly allowable. Even if that special "wget" works only for one particular webpage |
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| 04:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 04:44.02 | infobot | xyawn is, like, big coffee |
| 04:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, k |
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| 04:49.36 | jonwil | hmmm, how do I send a SMS to someone not in my contact list... |
| 04:53.00 | jonwil | found it |
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| 04:59.29 | jonwil | aha I see whats up, I need to figure out how to enable log_notice logging in syslog |
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| 05:05.49 | jonwil | nope, that isnt working, I cant get it enabled |
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| 05:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: umm, did you try to increase loglevel, with dmesg ? |
| 05:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: dmesg -n 10, or sth |
| 05:37.22 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: just a wild guess |
| 05:37.48 | jonwil | isnt dmesg for kernel messages only? |
| 05:38.11 | luke-jr | yes |
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| 05:39.07 | jonwil | ok, so that wont give me the messages I want from the sms code |
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| 05:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | dmesg also sets the loglevel, dunno if only for kernel msgs or for general loger() calls |
| 05:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | anyway dmesg -n 10 also has effect for syslog |
| 05:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | it's a writetime parameter, not a readtime filter |
| 05:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | umm no, scratch that |
| 05:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | -nlevel |
| 05:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.24 | luke-jr | XD |
| 05:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | All levels of messages are still written to /proc/kmsg, so syslogd(8) can still be used to control exactly where kernel messages appear |
| 05:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | so I guess you should check /etc/syslog.conf, jonwil |
| 05:49.28 | jonwil | I already tried that |
| 05:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | #*.=debug;\ |
| 05:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | # auth,authpriv.none;\ |
| 05:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | # news.none;mail.none -/var/log/debug |
| 05:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | this? |
| 05:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | #*.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn;\ |
| 05:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | # auth,authpriv.none;\ |
| 05:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | # cron,daemon.none;\ |
| 05:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | # mail,news.none -/var/log/messages |
| 05:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | and this? |
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| 05:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, if only I could manage to not forget that friggin syntax of syslog.conf (and esp rsyslog.conf and syslogng and whatnot) |
| 06:08.23 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: On local processing - the whole point would be to have the entire database of recipies, and the entire database of prices, combined with a local stock system, to generate meal plans for the next 2 weeks for the minimum price. |
| 06:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no problem either. Simply download the whole database and 'cache' locally |
| 06:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | you just mustn't ship the dataset with your app |
| 06:10.14 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't really work well if you require each user to slurp the whole site. |
| 06:10.21 | SpeedEvil | Sites tend to fall over when you do that. |
| 06:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so what else? I don't see any other solution, except find CC-recipes |
| 06:12.23 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 06:12.37 | SpeedEvil | I was basically wondering if anyone knew of any |
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| 06:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | probably the hosting of a CC database for recipes, similar to wikipedia, with a rating system, is the best part of the whole project ;-D |
| 06:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | you could start with a hundered recipes you provide from $random locations incl your granny's recipe book |
| 06:17.23 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 06:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | you'd have precise labels/names for the ingredients |
| 06:18.12 | SpeedEvil | Ideally I'd like a huge database of recipies, with nice 'codes' for ingredients and quantities. So I don't have to try to parse what '1tsp onion' means. |
| 06:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | selectable from dropdown boxes or sth |
| 06:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, a free text recipe collection is probably hard or impossible to parse |
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| 06:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | hosting your own db-based recipe collection and opening it up to download and support a web-API, that could pan out quite nicely |
| 06:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | esp if you also offer a html frontend |
| 06:21.53 | SpeedEvil | http://www.livestrong.com/recipes/browse-fish/ is the closest I came up with - but their licence isn't sane |
| 06:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 06:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | nothing LAMP couldn't do |
| 06:24.49 | SpeedEvil | The problem isn't in many ways the app, it's the data. |
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| 07:12.32 | jonwil | What I want in an app is a shopping list app that lets me image the bar-code on a product and it gets added to my shopping list. Or able to select the product from a list if its not something with a bar-code (meat etc). |
| 07:12.53 | jonwil | Then when I am in the store, I can scan the item (and it gets removed from the shopping list and added to the list of stuff I bought) and key in the price |
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| 07:13.45 | ieatlint | sounds like you should write it then :P |
| 07:13.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.techfortesco.com/tescoapiweb/terms.htm jonwil |
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| 07:14.06 | johnx | I don't know if the barcode scanning is seamless enough to make that enjoyable |
| 07:14.12 | johnx | have you played with mbarcode at all? |
| 07:14.18 | jonwil | nope, havent played with it yet |
| 07:14.28 | johnx | I think you can write plugins for it |
| 07:14.39 | jonwil | Tesco doesn't help me here in Australia I dont think |
| 07:14.53 | SpeedEvil | I love '21. You will not write applications that could be seen to involve Tesco in certain genres of entertainment or business activity. These include all illegal activities, and also include (but are not limited to): |
| 07:14.53 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.16 | SpeedEvil | How do you write a sex-based app around a grocery website API. |
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| 07:15.25 | SpeedEvil | I guess I'm just not perverted enough. |
| 07:15.35 | johnx | raises his hand |
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| 07:15.48 | johnx | think 'alternate uses for everyday objects' |
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| 07:18.03 | RobbieThe1st | johnx: XD |
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| 07:18.33 | Termana | good morning |
| 07:19.22 | Sicelo | ~XD |
| 07:19.22 | infobot | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really funny smily face like :) but better |
| 07:19.48 | johnx | infobot, infobot is not case sensitive |
| 07:19.48 | infobot | ...but infobot is already something else... |
| 07:20.06 | Sicelo | thanx johnx |
| 07:20.24 | johnx | ~botsnack (even though I hate things that aren't case sensitive today ...) |
| 07:20.24 | infobot | johnx: aw, gee |
| 07:21.40 | johnx | needs to figure out how to make svn not accept filenames that are the same accept for case differences ... |
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| 07:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: isn't that the exact contrary to what you stated above? |
| 07:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | assuming s/accept/except/ in your post |
| 07:28.20 | johnx | why do you think I meant except? |
| 07:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | because otherwise the sentence doesn't parse for me |
| 07:29.20 | johnx | I want to make SVN not allow people to upload pic.jpg and PIC.jpg in the same directory |
| 07:29.44 | johnx | because it screws up when someone else checks out the project on a system that doesn't have a case sensitive FS (like Mac or probably Windows) |
| 07:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that are the same EXCEPT for case differences |
| 07:29.59 | johnx | aaah, you meant the second accept |
| 07:30.27 | johnx | that s/ statement only matched the first one :) |
| 07:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | I ignored the first one |
| 07:31.06 | johnx | gotcha |
| 07:31.53 | johnx | I'd love to solve the root problem (that people are using case insensitive filesystems), but I think that might be out of scope ... |
| 07:32.42 | luke-jr | IMO, filesystems probably should be a mix |
| 07:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | btw I'd be interested in syntax for regex subst that would match the n-th occurrence only, like s/x/y/[3,2] or whatever |
| 07:32.58 | luke-jr | case sensitive, but disallow names that differ only in case |
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| 07:33.21 | johnx | luke-jr, the devil is in the details |
| 07:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: are you nuts? disallow filenames at random rules? :-O |
| 07:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | have fun with your scripts then! |
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| 07:34.31 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: s/x.*x.*\Kx/y/; |
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| 07:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | duh, thanks!! |
| 07:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | though it seems not entirely correct, I see the meaning |
| 07:36.01 | luke-jr | how not? |
| 07:36.13 | luke-jr | oh, maybe make .* into .*? |
| 07:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | there's three x in the match pattern. Is this actually matching only 2 source-"x"? |
| 07:37.23 | luke-jr | it matches 2, then forgets everything behind it and matches the third x |
| 07:37.28 | luke-jr | replacing the matched x with y |
| 07:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | I gather \K is same as ( ) in normal awk regex |
| 07:37.37 | luke-jr | no |
| 07:37.51 | luke-jr | it's a special form of (?<=x.*x.*)x |
| 07:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 07:38.02 | luke-jr | where (?<= ⦠) is a look-behind assertion |
| 07:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | now that I read your explanation |
| 07:38.21 | luke-jr | except (<= ⦠) form doesn't like variable-length stuff |
| 07:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 07:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | that look-behind stuff usually makes my head explode |
| 07:39.34 | luke-jr | XD |
| 07:39.43 | luke-jr | \K form is much easier and I think faster |
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| 07:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall the look-behind may or may not be nonimplemented in particular commands / distris |
| 07:41.06 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Perl regex are completely non-standard |
| 07:41.10 | luke-jr | it works in Perl and only in Perl |
| 07:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | at very least it's strongly deprecated for performance reasons |
| 07:41.25 | luke-jr | standard regex don't support (â¦), but instead require \(â¦\) |
| 07:41.53 | johnx | too many flavors of regex make my head explode |
| 07:42.13 | luke-jr | hehe |
| 07:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | perl grep awk |
| 07:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | simple |
| 07:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | what else? |
| 07:42.25 | luke-jr | I love (?{â¦}) |
| 07:42.35 | luke-jr | grep at least uses POSIX regex standard |
| 07:42.38 | johnx | grep has extended and basic, right? |
| 07:42.44 | luke-jr | (â{â¦}) |
| 07:43.02 | johnx | is grep extended regex actually the same as awk's or perl's? |
| 07:43.06 | luke-jr | (??{ inline perl code ftw }) |
| 07:43.22 | luke-jr | johnx: extended is POSIX too, I think just flippign the \ on stuff |
| 07:43.48 | johnx | yeah, but it gets you some additional things if I recall |
| 07:43.59 | johnx | which means there are at least 4 in that list |
| 07:44.19 | luke-jr | +1 Perl6 regex are totally different |
| 07:44.24 | luke-jr | +1 Python has a variant |
| 07:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 07:44.31 | luke-jr | +1 ECMAScript too |
| 07:44.37 | johnx | yeah |
| 07:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | emacs |
| 07:44.41 | johnx | 's head explodes |
| 07:44.46 | luke-jr | +1 does SRGS count as regex? |
| 07:44.53 | luke-jr | (SRGS is W3c standard) |
| 07:44.57 | luke-jr | (based on XML) |
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| 07:45.21 | luke-jr | anyhow, night |
| 07:45.27 | johnx | 'night luke-jr |
| 07:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
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| 07:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | thought python has Perl regex |
| 07:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | s/.*o.*\Ko/Ã/ |
| 07:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | s/o/Ã/ |
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| 07:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | whatever infobot is using, it's not working for any special chars in either match or subst string |
| 07:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | s/ing,/ing -/ |
| 07:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, at least that |
| 07:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | wonder if * also works |
| 07:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | s/*/ x / |
| 07:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | s/.*/ x / |
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| 07:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | test for \ (backslash) |
| 07:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | s/\/x/ |
| 07:53.13 | johnx | I don't think infobot is actually using regex in the strictest sense |
| 07:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | nah, instr() or sth |
| 07:53.29 | johnx | or at least not any of the variants I know about ... |
| 07:53.44 | johnx | infobot, what are you written in? |
| 07:53.45 | infobot | johnx: what are you talking about? |
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| 07:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2241 |
| 07:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | Infobot - Original Perl IRC Infobot |
| 07:55.32 | johnx | ah. yeah. kinda what I thought |
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| 08:04.51 | smooph | Jaffa: Hi you might remember me I tried to your transcode script ... but I had problems selecting the right audio track |
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| 08:05.39 | smooph | I now use --mencoder='-alang eng' but the script fails with "Unable to get movie info." |
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| 08:10.36 | smooph | Jaffa: which is strange because the same command in the shell works ... it seems like the script produces an error there |
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| 08:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | are you sure this shouldn't be '--alang=eng' |
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| 08:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | or, if -a means apend, then maybe '-a"lang eng"' |
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| 08:39.44 | smooph | DocScrutinizer this works ... so I assume its correct "mencoder -o n900_tvs-swtcw-18p-bd-dl-112.mkv -srate 44100 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=0:br=192 -af volnorm=1 -ofps 23.976 -vf-add crop=1800:1080 -vf-add scale=800:480 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=2000:aspect=800/480:turbo -alang eng -ffourcc FMP4 -force-avi-aspect 1.66666666666667 tvs-swtcw-18p-bd-dl-112.mkv" |
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| 08:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yup |
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| 08:43.01 | smooph | and one thing I thought might be the problem is the way it is parsed but when I execute jaffa s script with --mencoder='alang eng' the mencoder command misses the "-" before alang so I guess I used it correctly |
| 08:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho $@ >&2\/usr/bin/mencoder "$@"' >/usr/local/bin/mencoder |
| 08:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho $@ >&2\n/usr/bin/mencoder "$@"' >/usr/local/bin/mencoder |
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| 08:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | oh yep, shell vars containing sth starting with a minus might actually get tricky |
| 08:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | esp -a is AND sometimes |
| 08:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | shell scripting is so full of dark mouldy corners |
| 08:48.03 | smooph | jaffa told me I should use -m from his script like this -malang -meng but that just starts the episode |
| 08:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, never looked ito the script. I suggest a ``set -vx'' |
| 08:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | ...at start of script |
| 08:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | then see where the parameter gets crippled |
| 08:50.58 | smooph | well I acctually think if I find the time and jaffa cannot help I will learn some pearl and add language selection to his script |
| 08:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | pearl?? |
| 08:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 08:51.53 | smooph | perl :D |
| 08:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | icky enough |
| 08:52.21 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | I just looked into ibot's Perl source... *cough* |
| 08:52.54 | smooph | thats what I thought :D but I have a friend that thinks perl is awesome and he is probably up for a little project |
| 08:54.15 | smooph | I mean the whole script is only 750 lines ... so it "shouldn't" be too hard |
| 08:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, set -vx prolly doesn't work for Perl :-P |
| 08:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | omg 750 lines? :-o |
| 08:56.19 | jonwil | no-one is interested in knowing the inner workings of the Nokia pulseaudio binaries? :P |
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| 08:57.06 | edheldil | smooph: usually when I start writing some little proggie in Perl I regret it later when it grows over 100 lines of code |
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| 08:58.58 | smooph | yeah but as far as I can tell its not advanced perl like from perlmonks ... its just written in perl ... and by looking over it I understand most of what its supposed to do sometimes I don't get the expression but thats what my friend is for |
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| 09:00.57 | jonwil | aha, now I see why the nokia pulseaudio modules are closed, they link to libbmeipc |
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| 09:02.41 | lardman|home | morning |
| 09:05.28 | crashanddie | achipa, I can't really be arsed about naming conventions to be honest. Whether it's .pri or .pro doesn't _really_ make a difference, not more than what you want that difference to make |
| 09:05.59 | crashanddie | In my case, I don't give two coins about .pri or .pro, so you can have your religious wars about the naming, and you're also free to just submit a patch to rename it :) |
| 09:06.17 | lardman|home | Qt project file? |
| 09:06.23 | crashanddie | aye |
| 09:06.40 | lardman|home | votes for the "o" |
| 09:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: sure I'm interested |
| 09:08.46 | crashanddie | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/external-includepaths.pro |
| 09:08.54 | crashanddie | lardman, ^ |
| 09:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | moo crashanddie |
| 09:09.23 | crashanddie | moo DocScrutinizer |
| 09:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: anyway check what's already disclosed @ http://meego.gitorious.org/ |
| 09:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 09:10.41 | jonwil | yeah I intend to use meego info to help with reverse engineering this stuff |
| 09:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | who am I to tell *you* |
| 09:11.08 | jonwil | but none of the meego stuff will not be correct for Fremantle though since all these closed libs link to libbmeipc |
| 09:11.21 | jonwil | something which Nokia is unwilling to share a dev package for |
| 09:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | you got a verbatim statement saying so? |
| 09:11.55 | lardman|home | jonwil: I also had troubles with aqualung, will need to do some debugging, or perhaps write my own (need time though) |
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| 09:12.23 | jonwil | I got Aqualung to start but when I ran it, it didnt do anything on the function I tried to use it on |
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| 09:15.08 | jonwil | I do like APU |
| 09:15.14 | jonwil | I do like APIs that use opaque structures |
| 09:15.16 | jonwil | like PulseAudio |
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| 09:15.59 | RST38h | Good object oriented design, isn't it? :) |
| 09:16.02 | jonwil | yes |
| 09:16.15 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
| 09:16.24 | jonwil | first library on the list is libnokia-common.so |
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| 09:17.32 | ieatlint | wait, did someone actually just say they like the pulseaudio api? |
| 09:17.54 | RST38h | yes |
| 09:18.15 | ieatlint | shakes his head |
| 09:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | I guess there were some <sarcasm> tags missing |
| 09:20.53 | jonwil | nope, I like it because its going to be easier to reverse engineer |
| 09:21.01 | jonwil | thanks to the opaque objects |
| 09:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | how's that? |
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| 09:21.44 | RST38h | wonders why one would need to reverse engineer PA |
| 09:22.05 | jonwil | the nokia binary blobs |
| 09:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: because Nokia in their eternal wisdom decided to do blobs for it |
| 09:22.31 | jonwil | The reason the blobs appear to exist is due to the blobs requiring libbmeipc |
| 09:22.46 | jonwil | which is a library that for some strange reason Nokia refuses to publish a -dev package for... |
| 09:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | where you got that from? |
| 09:23.08 | RST38h | Just create your own, new, better audio API! |
| 09:23.20 | jonwil | where you got what from? |
| 09:23.29 | jonwil | The libraries require libbmeipc because I can see it in the binaries |
| 09:23.31 | jonwil | they link to it |
| 09:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia refuses to publish a -dev package for... |
| 09:23.40 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 09:23.51 | jonwil | well nokia hasnt published a libbmeipc-dev package anywhere |
| 09:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | this might change |
| 09:24.09 | jonwil | change why? |
| 09:24.17 | jonwil | meego? |
| 09:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | to use bme in e.g. meego |
| 09:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | also freeing mce would need that .h iirc |
| 09:26.35 | ieatlint | hah, the newest N9 rumour says it's not a 1.2ghz snapdragon, but a 1.2ghz intel atom |
| 09:26.47 | ieatlint | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/nokia-n9-to-bust-loose-with-meego-on-moorestown-power/ |
| 09:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | plus I wonder how dsme is talking / listening to bme, without libbmeipc.h |
| 09:27.47 | Corsac | ieatlint: you're late :) |
| 09:27.53 | MohammadAG | ieatlint, I can confirm it's an OMAP3 |
| 09:27.57 | ieatlint | i was busy today :P |
| 09:28.03 | Corsac | ieatlint: it's from yesterday |
| 09:28.12 | Corsac | MohammadAG: omap*3*? |
| 09:28.14 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: can you now....? |
| 09:28.16 | ieatlint | by whose clock? |
| 09:28.30 | MohammadAG | OMAP*, don't want to spread more rumors |
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| 09:28.35 | ieatlint | it's 1:30am where i am... as far as i'm concerned, it's thursday until i wake up |
| 09:28.36 | lardman|home | ieatlint: ours |
| 09:28.38 | lardman|home | ;) |
| 09:29.02 | lardman|home | it's an OMAP5! Yay! |
| 09:29.07 | ieatlint | MohammadAG: you should spread more |
| 09:29.19 | ieatlint | tell people it'll be running ppc arch chips from motorola |
| 09:29.28 | MohammadAG | it's actually OMAP :p |
| 09:29.48 | jonwil | I dont think even Nokia has a finalized set of hardware for their first MeeGo phone |
| 09:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | NO IT'S SNAPDRAGON |
| 09:30.12 | jonwil | or if they do, they have multiple different meego phones in development with different hardware specs |
| 09:30.12 | ieatlint | jonwil: they do ... or at least, a near-final revision of it |
| 09:30.13 | SpeedEvil | It's Xeon. |
| 09:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | i7-mobile |
| 09:31.15 | ieatlint | i hear it's actually going to just be a bunch of chinese people doing math quickly |
| 09:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the chinese dwarfs - they got bored in the tools bag of those yamaha bikes |
| 09:32.17 | ieatlint | it'll be extremely low power, but with a short lifespan... they'll be easy to replace though |
| 09:33.22 | jonwil | as for DSME talking to BME, the bit of DSME that talks to BME is dsme-thermalobject-surface. This is LGPL as a separate package but with a dependancy on libbmeipc (so it cant actually be compiled without those headers) |
| 09:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | WTF??? |
| 09:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's a pretty good lever to get libbmeipc.h |
| 09:34.40 | RST38h | OMAP666 |
| 09:34.49 | jonwil | its not one file, its at least 3, bme_extmsg.h, client_ipc.h and em_isi.h |
| 09:35.10 | ieatlint | what's DSME? |
| 09:35.14 | RST38h | Powering Satan's favorite cell phone |
| 09:35.21 | jonwil | device state management entity |
| 09:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, good. So open up a ticket against DSME and ask for them |
| 09:35.43 | ieatlint | RST38h: i have a friend whose new phone number has the prefix 666... that'd be perfect for them! |
| 09:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | hah, my city prefix is 911 |
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| 09:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | perfect for me :-P |
| 09:37.35 | ieatlint | DSME sounds like nokia software |
| 09:37.59 | jonwil | yes |
| 09:38.03 | jonwil | Device State Management Entity |
| 09:38.11 | jonwil | so although its LGPL, all the code was written by Nokia |
| 09:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I think you can open a ticket on bmo, toss in the link URL to dsme-thermalobject-surface. And request the missing *.h, naming them as precisely as possible |
| 09:38.49 | ieatlint | which means nokia can re-release it under any licence... additionally, the only people who can make L/GPL claims are those who are licence holders |
| 09:38.55 | ShadowJK | Omap3, one die shrink smaller from the one in N900, clocked at 1GHz, 512MByte RAM. :P |
| 09:38.56 | ieatlint | so nokia isn't going to threaten to sue themselves |
| 09:39.26 | jonwil | MeeGo has the same DSME code pointing to the same non-existent libbmeipc headers |
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| 09:39.44 | summel | isnt there a dropbox client for the n900? oO |
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| 09:40.46 | SpeedEvil | summel: As I understand it, dropbox requires a binary x86 blob |
| 09:40.53 | summel | :D |
| 09:40.55 | summel | err |
| 09:40.56 | summel | :S |
| 09:41.06 | summel | ill continue to use the webpage then |
| 09:41.08 | SpeedEvil | Or not |
| 09:41.12 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/dropn900/ |
| 09:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: query stskeeps, he might know some details not common to the public |
| 09:41.26 | summel | ah ty :) |
| 09:42.04 | summel | ah -devel still... then i wait for it :) |
| 09:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: also poke tekojo as soon as he joins in here |
| 09:42.28 | summel | and the app that checks for free radio frequencies is also in -devel, right? :o |
| 09:42.48 | summel | that should have been built in from the start anyways :D |
| 09:43.08 | ShadowJK | That app uses the FM receiver |
| 09:43.10 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 09:43.18 | ShadowJK | it'd made more sense to let the fmtx do it |
| 09:43.25 | ShadowJK | (the chip is capable of it, but it's not exposed in the driver) |
| 09:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | which arguably is the better concept |
| 09:43.35 | summel | :o |
| 09:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | nope, as FMTX has no decent antenna |
| 09:44.38 | ShadowJK | wonders which method provides better roaming for car radio :) |
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| 09:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | the best concept however is to search a free frequency on your radio you want to 'pair', then wobble FMTX and analyze acoustic feedback from mic, to autotune N900 FMTX to the freq of your radio |
| 09:45.45 | summel | :o |
| 09:46.09 | ShadowJK | RDS radio will autotune once it gets close enough :D |
| 09:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | perfect usability |
| 09:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you can avoid/disable that, on TX side |
| 09:47.05 | lardman|home | hey chaps, if I do this and the device doesn't exist, or cat can't be found will the CMDLINE variable still be created?: CMDLINE=`cat /proc/cmdline` |
| 09:47.08 | ShadowJK | No but it's great, if you have an empty frequency finder driving frequency hopping during your drive, the car radio automatically keeps up and changes frequency |
| 09:47.12 | lardman|home | I think yes |
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| 09:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's actually also a great concept. I thought you had objections to the wobbling/searching |
| 09:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: ^^^ |
| 09:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | morning tekojo |
| 09:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo: you had a look into bug 8347 yet? |
| 09:49.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 09:49.25 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 09:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo: for DSME which is disclosed since quite some time, there are missing a few .h so it's not buildable for maemo. Do you think we can get this straightened? |
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| 09:53.14 | tekojo | DocScrutinizer: the opening queue would be the best place, I don't really know where to start |
| 09:53.44 | tekojo | and seems like I the cell broadcast is hard, no idea who did and and where they are now |
| 09:53.46 | jonwil | ok, so filing a license change request for the headers in question then? |
| 09:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, DSME already is opened |
| 09:54.06 | jonwil | DSME is open but it links to header files Nokia didnt publish |
| 09:54.06 | tekojo | are the missing headers in DSME or something it depends on? |
| 09:54.12 | jonwil | its in a dependancy |
| 09:54.20 | jonwil | DSME needs libbmeipc headers |
| 09:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | (also I think the whole opening queue got stalled) |
| 09:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo: [2011-01-21 10:33:22] <jonwil> as for DSME talking to BME, the bit of DSME that talks to BME is dsme-thermalobject-surface. This is LGPL as a separate package but with a dependancy on libbmeipc (so it cant actually be compiled without those headers) |
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| 09:54.54 | tekojo | bme, I can almost certainly say that it will be a no go |
| 09:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-21 10:34:50] <jonwil> its not one file, its at least 3, bme_extmsg.h, client_ipc.h and em_isi.h |
| 09:55.18 | tekojo | but you can try with the queue |
| 09:55.46 | ShadowJK | I think it's more about the communication that goes on between the opensource components and bme |
| 09:55.50 | jonwil | yes |
| 09:55.55 | jonwil | we dont want libbmeipc or bme |
| 09:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo: we're not asking for bme source, just for headers for the lib to listen to signals from bme. This got RE'd for mer long ago |
| 09:56.10 | ShadowJK | (just the headers to build dsme?) |
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| 09:56.18 | tekojo | jonwil: I understand, but those headers are in there |
| 09:56.21 | jonwil | yes just the libbmeipc-dev package |
| 09:56.34 | jonwil | as it were |
| 09:58.49 | tekojo | I'll try to find out who to ask, but anything bme related has always been a problem |
| 09:59.35 | SpeedEvil | Thanks! |
| 09:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes. I know. But I thought the whole point about *.h is do give the interface without disclosing anything about the actual code behind it |
| 09:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo: anyway many rhanks :-) |
| 10:00.19 | tekojo | DocScrutinizer: yes, it would be the sensible thing, but it was never easy |
| 10:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | thanks even |
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| 10:02.13 | jonwil | as for cell broadcast, I cant see anything happening to it unless someone (either publicly or under NDA) is able to study libsms code and csd-sms code, which wont happen given that D |
| 10:02.19 | jonwil | given that Fremantle is EOL |
| 10:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | as I suspect there's maybe no such thing like a libbmeipc-devel pkg, I suggest somebody has a short look at those 3 *.h to see if there's _anything_ inside them that's any problematic, then just dump them to $RANDOM at gitorious |
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| 10:02.42 | jonwil | DocScrutinizer, I doubt its that simple |
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| 10:02.59 | chem|st | grmlfz |
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| 10:03.32 | chem|st | still no info on my device from d4mn insurance company |
| 10:03.38 | chem|st | is feeling naked... |
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| 10:03.47 | ShadowJK | i know that feeling |
| 10:03.49 | ShadowJK | what happened to it+ |
| 10:04.03 | chem|st | wheatbeer-coke-mix |
| 10:04.18 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 10:04.23 | jonwil | The "powers that be" are going to be concerned about allowing 3rd parties to interface with BME because of the potential to screw things up and cause dead handsets (or worse overloaded batteries that could explode) |
| 10:04.29 | jonwil | well I would guess they are |
| 10:04.38 | ShadowJK | I've heard of wheatbeer and, uh, sprite? |
| 10:04.57 | chem|st | I am that || close to order a new one without insurance pr4nk!n9 |
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| 10:05.32 | chem|st | coke is even worse as it got 3% phosphoricacid |
| 10:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: tekojo: that's a moot argument. We know bme can't get messed up via libbmeipc interface |
| 10:06.27 | chem|st | would have no issues with a sticky device... but acid burned µchips wont last long |
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| 10:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo: jonwil: and even IF there were any calls documented in that *.h that had potential to do "bad" things to bme, we happily accepted Nokia to discard these lines of code, prior to disclosing it |
| 10:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | though I'm absolutely sure there aren't any |
| 10:09.37 | ShadowJK | Actually, charge rate gets throttled during charge on over temperature, but we don't know where that decision comes from, whether it's bme that independently decides to do it, or whether dsme tells it to... But anyway, stop bme and the thermal throttling goes away entirely either way :] |
| 10:09.51 | chem|st | ok report has been sent to insurance comp. yesterday, fingers crossed... |
| 10:10.20 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: your warranty covers accidental damage? |
| 10:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: then OTOH throttling isn't a 'bad thing' |
| 10:11.04 | jonwil | FYI, libbmeipc is still referenced by code in meego and the headers are still missing there |
| 10:11.25 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: nope, a friend of mine accidentially knocked over his glas, so his insurance covers |
| 10:11.46 | ShadowJK | No it's not, but from writing an opensource bme replacement point of view, we aren't able to talk to the other maemo components, and we can't provide dsme with thermal data and we can't receive orders from dsme (if dsme actually does send orders, who knows) |
| 10:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia's arguments why bme can't get disclosed always been: IP (moot for *.h), safety (exploding battery - moot for a checked and maybe cleaned *.h) |
| 10:12.08 | chem|st | took about 1 month to get a request to send in the device |
| 10:12.36 | chem|st | response time is about a week at least and that makes me suffer |
| 10:12.43 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, that's why we need those *.h files |
| 10:12.45 | SpeedEvil | And it's swapped for an 'equivalent' device - a n97 |
| 10:13.17 | chem|st | no |
| 10:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | even DSME can't build though it's foss now |
| 10:14.54 | jonwil | Anyone who thinks the N97 and N900 are in any way "equivalent" should have their head examined |
| 10:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | sure we could RE a libbmeipc.h, from scrutinizing libbmeipc.so ABI and the calls to libbmeipc in e.g dsme. But that's stupid as there's no reason for Nokia not to disclose the original files |
| 10:16.10 | jonwil | Thats like saying a Jeep Wrangler and a Jeep Cherokee are "equivalent" because they both are made by Jeep and because they both have <list of features> |
| 10:16.32 | chem|st | jonwil: cut-off, there is no other penalty |
| 10:17.59 | psycho_oreos | I'd sue the insurance bastards, that's what they do best, try to undervalue the damaged/affected equipment/s as to minimise their losses |
| 10:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: please remember my suggestions of above - talk to stskeeps. He looked nto meamo4 bme stuff very very deeply, for mer |
| 10:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | there might still be some helpful bits to be found in mer sources |
| 10:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | also stskeeps knows about pitfalls and relations/details that are hard to RE |
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| 10:22.16 | ShadowJK | http://gitorious.org/mer-toggles/hald-addon-bme/trees/master |
| 10:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 10:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly that one |
| 10:23.25 | ShadowJK | ftd protocol, iirc :) |
| 10:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | plus what's inside stskeeps' head |
| 10:23.38 | ShadowJK | Whether it works in maemo5, no idea :D |
| 10:23.52 | ShadowJK | iirc that thing was done without any "secret" info |
| 10:24.04 | DocScrutinizer | almost |
| 10:24.22 | ShadowJK | hm? |
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| 10:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | iirc stskeeps got a liitle help from Nokia on that |
| 10:33.00 | DocScrutinizer | just a lil bit |
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| 10:41.31 | MohammadAG | otherwise, the new sdk's nice |
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| 10:42.49 | BluesLee | hi, "ps -ef" shows me that a lot of processes have two instances, hildon-home, camera-ui, hildon-desktop, browser, calendar etc etc |
| 10:43.39 | BluesLee | what is the reason for that? |
| 10:43.56 | MohammadAG | dsme i guess |
| 10:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | hi BluesLee - long time no see |
| 10:44.15 | BluesLee | that means its normal |
| 10:44.27 | BluesLee | hi DocScrutinizer |
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| 10:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: it's the hildon-launcher |
| 10:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | whatever it's real name |
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| 10:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | check your /usr/bin, you also have two executables for each of those processes |
| 10:45.54 | BluesLee | okay, thats a sufficient answer |
| 10:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | it's some lib preload stuff, similar to what they do for KDE |
| 10:46.24 | w2fang | hi, what's the difference between dpkg -i and pkgmgr install-file ? I have a deb file can be installed with dpkg but failed with pkgmgr, get error message "is not a user package" |
| 10:46.36 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i tried to run dvb-t on my n900 without success so far |
| 10:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably hard to find any source for the driver needed |
| 10:47.09 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: it looked promising but i have very little knowledge about the linux kernel and how things work |
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| 10:47.34 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i compiled the modules and i am able to load them |
| 10:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, so what's happening? |
| 10:48.02 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i wonder which instance generates device files like /dev/dvb |
| 10:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | does it fail on h-e-n hostmode? |
| 10:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | the driver usually |
| 10:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 10:48.38 | BluesLee | no, it doesnt |
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| 10:48.54 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: the firmware is loaded |
| 10:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | then you need mknod |
| 10:49.33 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=921378&postcount=20 |
| 10:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | you should be able to tell from your PC |
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| 10:50.36 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean with "to tell from your pc"? |
| 10:51.01 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i use a script which generates all the device nodes with mknod |
| 10:52.03 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i tried mplayer and vlc player, the latter does not load dvb channel files, the first crashes when it searchs for frequencies |
| 10:52.57 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: do i need special dvb support for the used power kernel or is it enough to use the default one + compiled modules |
| 10:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: (from tmo) I don't think the kernel driver has any idea about ~/.mplayer/channels.conf |
| 10:54.54 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: maybe there is a single command line to use directly a frequency, i will google it |
| 10:55.13 | ShadowJK | isn't channels.conf just a channel - frequency mapping file or something |
| 10:55.24 | BluesLee | ShadowJK: yes it is |
| 10:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: if that file is for kernel to config things with the dvb stick, then for sure it needs to libe in e.g /etc |
| 10:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | not in user's home |
| 10:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | live* |
| 10:56.07 | BluesLee | ShadowJK: if i say "mplayer dvb:\\channel1" channels.conf is used to check if channel1 exists and so on |
| 10:56.40 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i can check tha immediately |
| 11:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: check what the files in /dev look like on your PC. Check if there's a script somewhere in postinstall of the pkg that creates these. Try to mknod the files on N900 with same parameters |
| 11:00.44 | summel | http://fun.drno.de/pics/self-charger.jpg |
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| 11:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: also a bit longer history of syslog in that tmo post would help a lot. I see a strange new device showing up on USB *after* driver got loeaded |
| 11:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to compare that with any previous device that's maybe also the dvb-stick |
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| 11:03.55 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: here is the script http://pastebin.de/14061 |
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| 11:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so why do you ask ""<BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: i wonder which instance generates device files like /dev/dvb"" |
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| 11:06.22 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i mean that on my pc the devices are automatically generated |
| 11:06.31 | ShadowJK | it's generated by udev automatically |
| 11:06.37 | ShadowJK | on your desktop |
| 11:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | yep, probably |
| 11:07.04 | BluesLee | and there is no udev for maemo? |
| 11:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | sure there is |
| 11:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | you just need to add the rule |
| 11:07.40 | BluesLee | okay, where are the rules located? |
| 11:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | /etc/udev/* |
| 11:09.14 | BluesLee | hmm, i can not see a rule for dvb or similar on my pc |
| 11:10.21 | DocScrutinizer | just run the script manually |
| 11:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | for now |
| 11:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm much more concerned about [32276.534576] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=14aa, idProduct=0222 |
| 11:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | *AFTER* [32276.193572] dvb_usb_dtt200u 1-1:1.0: usb_probe_interface |
| 11:12.22 | jonwil | ok, so the answer seems to a "no" to the SMS stuff (i.e. getting access to libsms and csd-sms) and a "slim chance" for the libbmeipc headers. |
| 11:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, who gave that answer? link? |
| 11:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: please paste the previous ""New USB device found, idVendor="" line in your syslog/dmesg |
| 11:18.42 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 11:19.18 | MohammadAG | morning Jaffa |
| 11:19.43 | Jaffa | smooph's gone. Bah. Anyway, he should've used "-m-alang -meng". tablet-encode doesn't put the '-' in automatically. |
| 11:20.32 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: here is the latest one http://pastebin.de/14063 |
| 11:20.34 | jonwil | the answer is based on what tekojo said earlier (being that he was going to punt the libbmeipc request to the right people |
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| 11:22.09 | jonwil | its also almost certain that Nokia won't want to put the work in to open up the source for libsms/csd-sms (which is the minimum that would be required for CBSMS) |
| 11:24.52 | jonwil | last comment of bug 10870 seems to confirm that thought |
| 11:24.53 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10870 Open source libsms and libsms-utils |
| 11:25.06 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: vendor and product looks okay for me |
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| 11:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: 10870 is missing any reference to 8347 and SMS-CB |
| 11:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | and mentionng notmynokia wasn't the smartest move I guess :-P |
| 11:41.16 | jonwil | no but 10870 implies that they wont be willing to touch the mess of legacy code in the Fremantle telephony stack |
| 11:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | they won't because they see not a single requirement. 8347 would have been such a requirement |
| 11:42.27 | jonwil | maybe |
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| 11:54.28 | smooph | hello guys ... is there a way to see if my headphone button creates an event ? I guess something like xev but for the n900 ... |
| 11:55.03 | smooph | Jaffa: I now use --mencoder='-alang eng' but the script fails with "Unable to get movie info." |
| 11:56.00 | lardman|home | bbl |
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| 12:01.16 | frals | smooph: 12:19:43 < Jaffa> smooph's gone. Bah. Anyway, he should've used "-m-alang -meng". tablet-encode doesn't put the '-' in automatically. |
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| 12:02.08 | smooph | thanks frals I think I already tried that but lets see |
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| 12:04.07 | smooph | wonderful it seems to work thanks again |
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| 12:09.17 | smooph | somebody some info on my other question .... button event of headset to accept calls or adjust sound ? |
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| 12:27.36 | jonwil | anyone here know which bits of the n900 handle audio routing? |
| 12:27.43 | jonwil | Is it just the binary pulseaudio blobs that handle it? |
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| 12:59.57 | jacekowski | wow |
| 13:00.20 | jacekowski | i've just seen another n900 user |
| 13:00.31 | nid0 | huh, so the US is testing some massive area gps jamming tech for the next month then |
| 13:01.04 | lardman|home | ? |
| 13:01.43 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: In the flesh? |
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| 13:01.55 | jacekowski | what is happening next month? |
| 13:02.02 | nid0 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/20/unavailabe_gps_warning/ |
| 13:02.11 | jacekowski | speedevil: yes in a flesh |
| 13:02.45 | nid0 | FAA warning that GPS over like thousands of square miles will be "unreliable" till feb 22nd, and asking pilots to report disruptions so they can "determine the extent of degradation" |
| 13:02.57 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.58 | SpeedEvil | The shape of the NOTAM would be more or less consistent I think with them pointing the spot beam at one point on the earth, and meaconing from it. |
| 13:03.08 | SpeedEvil | From something I just typed in another channel about this |
| 13:04.36 | MohammadAG | <jacekowski> i've just seen another n900 user <-- I've seen 10 |
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| 13:25.06 | jonwil | ok, for wlan signal strength, you would need to find out whether the kernel driver and wifi firmware provide that information to userspace and go from there |
| 13:25.17 | jonwil | no idea how one would go about that |
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| 13:27.10 | SpeedEvil | ssh root@phone cat /proc/net/wireless |
| 13:27.11 | SpeedEvil | Inter-| sta-| Quality | Discarded packets | Missed | WE |
| 13:27.11 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.11 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.11 | jonwil | ok, so the info is already there and someone just has to write a status bar widget? Great, something to take off my list :) |
| 13:30.14 | SpeedEvil | Or put on |
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| 13:34.33 | ShadowJK | is the gps thing related to the new constellation? |
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| 13:41.49 | user_ | hi |
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| 13:42.29 | user_ | im about to buy a microsd. wondering whether class 10 would be fully supported on the n900 |
| 13:43.14 | user_ | cant find a clear answer on google |
| 13:43.37 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: It's related in that the jamming is probably only available ew to the new birds |
| 13:43.58 | SpeedEvil | user_: The n900 gets 13.0M/s on my cheap kingston card. (read) |
| 13:44.00 | SpeedEvil | 1G |
| 13:44.52 | user_ | ok thanks |
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| 13:46.09 | user_ | what class do u use? |
| 13:46.29 | ShadowJK | gets more speed out of Sandisk class 4 than Kinngston class 10 in the "real world" anyway |
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| 13:47.02 | user_ | i wonder if anything higher than 4 makes sense |
| 13:47.02 | Jaffa | frals: Thanks for responding to smooph :-) |
| 13:47.47 | user_ | so q13mbit ps on cr4? |
| 13:47.48 | ShadowJK | Well it depends on what you want it for |
| 13:48.04 | user_ | meego dualboot |
| 13:48.15 | user_ | or nitroid. not sure yet |
| 13:48.21 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 13:48.53 | ShadowJK | in that case: they all suck horribly, some harder than others |
| 13:49.18 | user_ | hm which one would u recommend? |
| 13:49.38 | ShadowJK | not sure |
| 13:50.18 | user_ | 135 bucks for 16gb sandisk class 10 :S |
| 13:50.36 | ShadowJK | that's a fullsize card |
| 13:50.52 | ShadowJK | sandisk doesn't make class 6 or class 10 microsdhc |
| 13:51.23 | user_ | oops ur right :) |
| 13:52.35 | ShadowJK | of course, ebay will sell you a "Sandisk" class 16 if you want |
| 13:53.01 | user_ | heh in some store atm |
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| 13:54.14 | ShadowJK | I've been benchmarking cards for how they might perform as OS card |
| 13:54.43 | ShadowJK | they all suck quite horribly, but kingston stands out as crappier and sandisk seems to scale nicer |
| 13:55.08 | ShadowJK | it probably has more onboard cache ram and a more sophisticated cpu/software |
| 13:56.32 | user_ | hm class 2 is the only thing they got |
| 13:58.50 | user_ | ok thanks ill try to get a 4 |
| 13:58.58 | user_ | later :) |
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| 14:13.44 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | dotblank are you about? |
| 14:14.09 | dotblank | yea |
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| 14:19.58 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, in your tests, was class 10 good as swap? |
| 14:21.13 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | i haven't had a chance to build my own virtual build environment this week, so haven't made any progress compiling phoneme. had any luck compiling midp2? |
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| 14:23.32 | Marcus | Hi guys, I am having some trouble. I flashed my n900 (first emmC and then rootfs) and for some reasons all the images on the n900 are corrupt? |
| 14:23.49 | Marcus | It felt like the regular flash of the rootfs went _very_ fast |
| 14:23.53 | Marcus | Like 5seconds or so. |
| 14:24.02 | SpeedEvil | should do |
| 14:24.11 | SpeedEvil | maybe more like 15 |
| 14:24.20 | Marcus | Nope, not that long. |
| 14:24.49 | Marcus | I will try to redownload the rootfs .bin and try it again ._. |
| 14:24.52 | Marcus | It is very wierd. |
| 14:26.19 | MohammadAG | if an image is corrupt it doesn't flash afaik |
| 14:26.55 | Marcus | Well, it almost feels like it pops up (using flasher in CMD) and then disappears immediatly. |
| 14:27.17 | Marcus | Does it sound like a bricked device? Even though it boots up? |
| 14:27.23 | GAN900 | chokes reading the Atom N9 thread on Talk. |
| 14:27.26 | GAN900 | Pure gold. |
| 14:27.37 | Marcus | image files seems corrupt, and every text is like squares [] |
| 14:27.53 | MohammadAG | sounds like windows being itself - retarded |
| 14:28.03 | MohammadAG | GAN900, should i waste my time and read it? |
| 14:28.05 | Marcus | Windows as in Gates? Indeed. |
| 14:28.29 | Marcus | enjoys his ArchLinux desktop. |
| 14:28.40 | MohammadAG | gotta study, cya :P |
| 14:28.44 | Marcus | Have fun! |
| 14:28.46 | Marcus | :P |
| 14:28.51 | MohammadAG | yeah, fun.. right |
| 14:28.56 | Marcus | Exactly. |
| 14:29.17 | MohammadAG | closes xchat - will probably get bored and start it in less than 10 mins |
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| 14:30.27 | Marcus | Now this is more like it. |
| 14:32.35 | Marcus | Cheers, it seems like it works. Even though on the wiki it says you don't need to replug the USB, it seems like I had to. |
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| 14:42.53 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, it's pretty entertaining. |
| 14:46.38 | RST38h | GAN: You are saying it like if you were studying to be a zoologist |
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| 14:50.19 | hirabayashitaro | hi everyone! |
| 14:51.42 | hirabayashitaro | I was wondering if an improvement of the contacts for fitting more fields of the vcard format is planned. Anyone knows anything about it? |
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| 14:57.25 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | does anyone have the time to have a go at compiling the current version of phoneme_feature? either that or can anyone point me at a good guide to building your own sdk environment on a pc in relatively newbie-friendly terms? I have a spare hour tonight to set it u |
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| 15:10.48 | andre__ | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html |
| 15:10.59 | achipa | crashanddie: it's a nomenclature, not religion, you're supposed to keep it for the same reasons you keep headers in .h(pp) and sources in .c(pp) |
| 15:13.41 | crashanddie | whatever floats your boat I guess :) |
| 15:15.49 | jacktheripper | is tracker-extract popping up during video recording just my problem here ? |
| 15:15.54 | jacktheripper | I think this is what causes dropped frames |
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| 15:19.22 | jacktheripper | happened only once o.o |
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| 15:39.45 | javispedro | mooo |
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| 15:42.50 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
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| 15:56.49 | javispedro | I wonder why I cannot browse to the AngryBirds download page in store.ovi.mobi, while I can in store.ovi.com |
| 15:58.01 | javispedro | So to download it I have to get the angry birds id # from the ovi.com store (23158) then put it on the ovi.mobi store url. |
| 15:59.46 | javispedro | no wonder I only ever visit the site once per year |
| 16:02.01 | GAN900 | Hilariously unusable. |
| 16:03.15 | flat` | i want angry birds seasons to my n900 :< |
| 16:06.14 | shamus | has anyone tyred a version of ScummVM with the Mohawk engin on a tablet and dose myst work? |
| 16:07.27 | kerio | wait, myst runs on scummvm? |
| 16:07.46 | shamus | Myst has been able to run in the SVN version of ScummVM since last December. |
| 16:07.59 | lcuk | peeks in |
| 16:07.59 | shamus | posted in 2010 ish |
| 16:08.27 | kerio | cool |
| 16:08.40 | shamus | http://clone2727.blogspot.com/ |
| 16:08.47 | shamus | http://insidethelink.ortiche.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 16:09.13 | shamus | the question is will it work on maemo |
| 16:09.17 | shamus | and how well |
| 16:10.04 | luke-jr | I would assume so |
| 16:10.14 | luke-jr | Myst required what? 100 MHz? |
| 16:10.33 | shamus | the quacktime is the issue i would think |
| 16:11.12 | luke-jr | still, it's ancient |
| 16:11.32 | luke-jr | realMyst would be a nice feat |
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| 16:13.36 | shamus | my n800 woiuld explode if you tryed to do realMyst on it as 8x0 still has no workign 3d drivers :-( |
| 16:16.14 | lcuk | WANTED: (serious request) Macro photos of your monitor taken with your phone. http://bit.ly/hxYJxS #rt #meego http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/28473859623620610 |
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| 16:19.10 | shamus | but yeah ill defidenlty be keeying an eye on mohawk will be nice to be finaly able to play myst agin and hoply on an n800 n810 or n900 |
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| 16:21.31 | MohammadAG | lcuk, but... why. |
| 16:22.03 | lcuk | to confirm a hypothosis about something |
| 16:22.16 | lcuk | i want to see just how focusable things are with phone flat on the surface |
| 16:23.18 | MohammadAG | you want the phone stuck to the monitor? |
| 16:23.27 | lcuk | yes |
| 16:23.33 | lcuk | flat onto the screen |
| 16:23.51 | lcuk | then see if you can macrozoom/focus as much as possible |
| 16:23.51 | flat` | ding |
| 16:23.51 | MohammadAG | nice hypothesis :P |
| 16:24.00 | MohammadAG | does a phone monitor apply as a monitor? |
| 16:24.11 | lcuk | MohammadAG, flat surface |
| 16:24.14 | ZogG | lcuk, got my photo? |
| 16:24.15 | MohammadAG | also, does fcam manual qualify? |
| 16:24.22 | MohammadAG | manual focus* |
| 16:24.24 | lcuk | I would suggest your desktop, but the flash overwhelms it |
| 16:24.31 | lcuk | yes, whatever you can do |
| 16:24.40 | lcuk | to get the clearest shot possible |
| 16:24.45 | ZogG | lcuk did you got it? |
| 16:24.58 | lcuk | ZogG, on the forum? |
| 16:25.20 | ZogG | twitter check mentions |
| 16:25.42 | lcuk | i am following you, no |
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| 16:26.38 | MohammadAG | N8 is interesting |
| 16:26.46 | MohammadAG | N86* |
| 16:27.02 | lcuk | well post them! http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=16230#post16230 |
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| 16:27.33 | eichi | hello |
| 16:27.45 | eichi | does the maemo5 messanger based in libpurple? |
| 16:27.51 | ZogG | lcuk strange |
| 16:28.00 | javispedro | releases yet another fm rx app, cfmradio, to extras-devel |
| 16:28.02 | eichi | want to port an pidgin plugin |
| 16:28.24 | MohammadAG | javispedro, gtk? |
| 16:28.34 | javispedro | (this is the app I use so it's customized to me, the audio routing tests have been crippled so that noone blames me for damaging his device) |
| 16:28.48 | javispedro | MohammadAG: obviously. sub-second launch times. |
| 16:29.06 | ZogG | http://twitter.com/#!/ZogG/status/28481821998063616 lcuk |
| 16:29.08 | lcuk | ponders whether I am actually following you |
| 16:29.14 | ZogG | http://twitpic.com/show/large/3s1pgh |
| 16:29.27 | lcuk | that would explain it! |
| 16:29.35 | luke-jr | eichi: no |
| 16:29.37 | ZogG | lcuk i think you unfollowed as i'm flooding in russian a lot of bullshit |
| 16:29.41 | lcuk | now the question comes did I believe you when you said you did not post english often |
| 16:29.54 | luke-jr | thank God. libpurple is terrible :P |
| 16:29.59 | ZogG | i don't post english a lot =( |
| 16:30.07 | lcuk | ZogG, did you actually take that picture with phone touching your screen? |
| 16:30.26 | lcuk | (thanks by the way!) |
| 16:30.26 | ZogG | oh, you wanted it to touch it? |
| 16:31.40 | lcuk | ZogG, yes please |
| 16:31.52 | lcuk | I am trying to see just how much in/out of focus it is |
| 16:32.05 | MohammadAG | javispedro, yay |
| 16:32.15 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I got "open" showing |
| 16:32.37 | MohammadAG | uploads |
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| 16:33.27 | lcuk | ZogG, white twitter client are you using? that looks swish |
| 16:33.29 | lcuk | which |
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| 16:36.49 | lcuk | eichi, yes I believe so |
| 16:37.20 | ZogG | lcuk hotot |
| 16:38.04 | MohammadAG | lcuk, refresh post |
| 16:38.39 | MohammadAG | err |
| 16:38.43 | MohammadAG | meego forums don't resize images |
| 16:38.43 | MohammadAG | giggles |
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| 16:38.59 | ZogG | http://hotot.org/ lcuk actually it's cool. geoplugin, uploading pics if you want, plugins with simple and nice ui |
| 16:39.35 | lcuk | ZogG, it looks it :) |
| 16:40.22 | ZogG | lcuk though i like my theme (that it comes with) more than screenies on website. what distro do you use btw |
| 16:40.43 | lcuk | ZogG, whats it written in? the reflections look nifty and similar to something MohammadAG has been tinkering with |
| 16:40.53 | MohammadAG | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=16235&postcount=4 lcuk |
| 16:41.48 | MohammadAG | yes it's my first post :P |
| 16:42.12 | lcuk | awesome MohammadAG :) and starting with openness :) |
| 16:42.16 | ZogG | lcuk emm Hotot, is a lightweight & open source Microblogging Client, coding using Python language and designed for Linux. |
| 16:42.39 | MohammadAG | oi, all my apps are open :P |
| 16:43.05 | ZogG | lcuk, the funny thing they released win7 version |
| 16:44.54 | lcuk | MohammadAG, lol |
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| 16:45.39 | ZogG | ? |
| 16:46.31 | ZogG | MohammadAG \o/ nice thing, what monitor do you have btw |
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| 16:46.49 | ZogG | i have 23 and font is small but still the picture looks blur |
| 16:47.02 | MohammadAG | achipa, sure about the tip you gave me on the forums? :P |
| 16:47.11 | MohammadAG | ZogG, LED screen, 15" :P |
| 16:47.23 | ZogG | MohammadAG there are no LED screens |
| 16:47.25 | MohammadAG | maximum brightness (which is a lot - quite blinding at night) |
| 16:47.36 | ZogG | threre are LED backlight or how is it called |
| 16:47.57 | ZogG | i have 23" LG flatron Wide |
| 16:47.58 | MohammadAG | don't get into technicalities with me :P |
| 16:48.13 | ArGGu^^ | is there application that handles the playing of ringtones, sms alert and email alerts that can be used on own application? |
| 16:48.17 | ZogG | MohammadAG yes i heard about your fail with hubs =() |
| 16:48.22 | ZogG | usbhubs* |
| 16:48.29 | ArGGu^^ | I mean if want have alert sound in my application like email alert |
| 16:48.35 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 16:49.30 | ArGGu^^ | do need use phonon or something to play alert |
| 16:49.42 | ZogG | lcuk, http://twitpic.com/3s246y |
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| 16:49.59 | lcuk | ZogG, its hard to get device to focus all the way down, I have been looking at this for a while, that is the point of the thread |
| 16:50.03 | ArGGu^^ | or could I just example play the email alert with dbus call |
| 16:50.08 | ArGGu^^ | or something like that? |
| 16:50.16 | lcuk | ZogG, are you not a member of meego.com? |
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| 16:51.09 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | if there was a way of manually focussing the lens it would help. Autofovus goes do far then snaps back to blurry |
| 16:51.16 | ZogG | lcuk are you mindreader just wrote about it |
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| 16:53.45 | lcuk | ZogG, did you take down the first picture? |
| 16:53.47 | ZogG | lcuk btw how do you feel about not appropriate lang? |
| 16:54.14 | ZogG | lcuk down? what you mean - i re did the experiment and uped new picture i'm gonna post |
| 16:54.16 | lcuk | well if it is Russian, I don't really know difference do I |
| 16:54.43 | lcuk | ZogG, leave others up too, its not whether its perfect, its as many examples as possible |
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| 16:55.25 | ZogG | lcuk i mean in english |
| 16:57.01 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, in my tests the class rating of the card seemed mostly irrelevant to swap performance |
| 16:57.20 | ZogG | MohammadAG, did i advice you http://www.webupd8.org/ ? |
| 16:57.49 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, basically the class rating is stupid, and there were class 2 cards that were faster than class 6 cards, but also class 10 cards that were faster than some class 2 cards... |
| 16:58.10 | ShadowJK | It's probably the FTL algorithm and the MCU capabilities that matter more than the class rating |
| 16:58.31 | ShadowJK | things that no manufacturer publishes, and Kingston is evne know to put random ones in their cards depending on what's cheapest/available at the time |
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| 17:00.52 | lcuk | ZogG, normally, no - why? |
| 17:01.00 | kerio | faster-than-light? |
| 17:01.00 | kerio | :o |
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| 17:01.49 | lcuk | kerio, faster than light through Pb |
| 17:02.02 | kerio | Pb? |
| 17:02.29 | ZogG | lcuk just asking, as i don't tweet a lot in english i would consider not to use that kind of lang as i do tweet in english =) |
| 17:02.58 | ShadowJK | FTL = Flash Translation Layer |
| 17:02.59 | lcuk | ZogG, heh |
| 17:03.59 | MohammadAG | ZogG, ? |
| 17:04.13 | ZogG | MohammadAG ? |
| 17:04.30 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, heh, was thinking of getting a 1GB class 10 or whatever the highest class was and using it as swap |
| 17:04.53 | MohammadAG | what's the link? |
| 17:05.02 | ZogG | lcuk i just do swear a lot in russian and in english, even in hebrew =) but also i do respect other people who don't like it so i do it less than |
| 17:05.03 | ShadowJK | 1G don't come in class rated |
| 17:06.18 | ZogG | MohammadAG it's nice news about ubuntu releated news, as you are ubuntu user i would recommend you. i use it to find out new apps with nice ui as well =) |
| 17:06.50 | ZogG | i would say it, but i think meego forums < TMO =) |
| 17:06.59 | lcuk | ZogG, please continue swearing like a fucking trouper |
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| 17:07.31 | lcuk | trooper even |
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| 17:07.52 | ZogG | lcuk as you are the only one my english speaking follower i need to respect you =))) |
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| 17:08.21 | ThreeM | got my N900 replacement with dust on screen :( |
| 17:08.48 | ThreeM | 3rd device within a week... damn nokia |
| 17:09.02 | pupnik | dust *in* screen? |
| 17:09.24 | ThreeM | a black point on screen |
| 17:09.33 | ThreeM | no pixel error just dirt |
| 17:09.35 | pupnik | can you wipe it off? |
| 17:09.52 | ThreeM | its IN the screen. |
| 17:10.05 | pupnik | ok |
| 17:10.10 | ThreeM | between screen and the surface |
| 17:10.34 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | still got dust in mine after the fixed the problem with vibrate |
| 17:10.56 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | tempted to fix it myself |
| 17:11.12 | ZogG | ThreeM, i got a lot of dust and dirt in pokets aspecially as i'm smoker and all the tabaco from packages, but never got dust there, you should change it, and not clean |
| 17:11.22 | ThreeM | im just going to change the screen from the defect N900 (reboots all the time) to the Dusty one and send the old N900 back to amazon |
| 17:12.04 | ThreeM | N900 issnt relly hard to deassemble |
| 17:12.58 | lcuk | no, but a black spot appears on the screen the first time you do |
| 17:13.30 | lcuk | (joking of course :P can you take a picture of the spot |
| 17:13.52 | ZogG | lcuk, hey, no discrimination here, dustspot, not black spot =) |
| 17:14.18 | ZogG | ThreeM yes, as you have two N900, put one close to others screen and take photo =) |
| 17:14.27 | ThreeM | hehe |
| 17:14.45 | pupnik | maybe the repair man is also smoker |
| 17:14.58 | ThreeM | its about 2x2 pixel |
| 17:15.08 | ThreeM | i dont know if the N900 cam can get it :) |
| 17:15.48 | ThreeM | only visible when you are on bright background... so for a internettablet its worse to have a dark dust spot on sceen |
| 17:15.54 | ThreeM | right in the midlle...... |
| 17:15.58 | ZogG | check the log about close up photos |
| 17:16.20 | lcuk | ZogG, different thing |
| 17:16.33 | lcuk | i actually want an in focus pic of his repeated problem |
| 17:16.39 | lcuk | was the spot in the same place each time? |
| 17:16.52 | ThreeM | its defently dirt |
| 17:17.08 | ThreeM | when you push gently on screen you see the spot moving a bit |
| 17:17.32 | ThreeM | die display itself is fine.... just poor build quality |
| 17:17.32 | ZogG | it tickless |
| 17:18.23 | pupnik | Sometimes it's not easy to fire the right people |
| 17:18.28 | pupnik | always an information problem |
| 17:21.15 | ZogG | haha someone just tweeted " i have TV with Linux and it got freezed" =) |
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| 17:23.16 | ThreeM | ive got also a tv with linux |
| 17:23.23 | ThreeM | every samsung tv has it .) |
| 17:24.06 | pupnik | didn't know this |
| 17:24.26 | ThreeM | there is also alternative OS Modification for it |
| 17:24.29 | pupnik | any hacked / flashable OS? |
| 17:24.35 | ThreeM | Samygo or gosamy :) |
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| 17:25.09 | ThreeM | www.samygo.tv |
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| 17:30.12 | ZogG | pupnik hey, you did love pornophoniques, didn't you? |
| 17:30.30 | pupnik | not really, but they were better than i thought they would be |
| 17:30.48 | ZogG | i actually love them |
| 17:31.00 | ZogG | the lyrics are pretty funny |
| 17:31.10 | ZogG | sad robot song is pretty awesome |
| 17:31.21 | ZogG | they are free to download |
| 17:31.26 | ZogG | and you just have bad taste =P |
| 17:32.45 | ZogG | xmms2> Way Out West - We Love Machine ["We Love Machine"] |
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| 17:34.29 | kerio | itune> Jocko Homo - Devo ["Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!"] |
| 17:35.14 | pupnik | hah ++ |
| 17:35.35 | ZogG | kerio itunes? what? buuuuuuuuu |
| 17:36.05 | pupnik | they had a point about devolution |
| 17:36.09 | ZogG | sterilizing himself from any apple stuff |
| 17:36.50 | pupnik | i've never even seen itunes |
| 17:37.16 | pupnik | all good pop music is written before you turn 30 years old |
| 17:37.37 | pupnik | :) |
| 17:38.37 | ZogG | pupnik i was bitten by itunes once and took medications like for 4 months =) |
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| 17:38.54 | pupnik | heheh |
| 17:39.22 | pupnik | now i have stupid 'Sad Robot' song in brain |
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| 17:40.53 | ZogG | pupnik it's not stupid |
| 17:41.06 | ZogG | at least when we think about him he is not said anymore |
| 17:41.56 | pupnik | heheh |
| 17:42.29 | pupnik | reminds me of the old Asimov stories |
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| 17:43.37 | ZogG | Asimov, he sounds familiar and russian |
| 17:43.49 | ZogG | is in't in Alice in the future or somwething like that |
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| 17:44.23 | pupnik | all of Science fiction echoes asimov |
| 17:49.39 | ZogG | once russians were cool, but nowdays..... ehh |
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| 17:53.47 | MohammadAG | huh |
| 17:53.52 | MohammadAG | mycontacts is closed source? |
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| 18:11.20 | ZogG | MohammadAG, ping |
| 18:11.38 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 18:12.42 | MohammadAG | trying to get an offline/online contact notifier |
| 18:12.46 | ZogG | MohammadAG does last cssu includes any usb, battery or releated patches? |
| 18:12.53 | MohammadAG | no |
| 18:13.13 | ZogG | MohammadAG i updated and recetly it doesn't charge from wall charger |
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| 18:14.08 | ZogG | MohammadAG it starts to charge and than it says stop charging) |
| 18:14.13 | MohammadAG | not related |
| 18:14.15 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 18:14.29 | MohammadAG | I didn't patch anything related to that |
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| 18:15.48 | eichi | is there a patch for infinity battery? |
| 18:15.56 | eichi | or a cheat |
| 18:18.03 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 18:18.09 | MohammadAG | convert it to a nuclear battery |
| 18:18.17 | ZogG | i actually have ot infinity batetr but it stoppes charging even the battery is empty |
| 18:18.30 | ZogG | charges from USB normally |
| 18:18.34 | ZogG | never happened to me |
| 18:19.01 | ZogG | funny as Nokia doesn't support phone anymore can i come to them and ask for replacement (let's say for N9) |
| 18:19.37 | luke-jr | what phone? |
| 18:20.01 | luke-jr | I agree with MohammadAG on infinite battery cheat. |
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| 18:20.07 | luke-jr | it's just too expensive |
| 18:20.28 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, I have my ways |
| 18:20.37 | luke-jr | and idiot countries regulate it too much |
| 18:21.00 | ShadowJK | N9 doesn't exist yet |
| 18:21.09 | luke-jr | "zomg bombs have the word 'nuclear' in them too!" |
| 18:22.05 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, |
| 18:22.15 | MohammadAG | at least it doesn't exist to us too :P |
| 18:22.54 | ShadowJK | and Nokia Care couldn't care less about whether a device is supported or not |
| 18:22.54 | MohammadAG | who's developed on telepathy before |
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| 18:23.40 | MohammadAG | Nokia care fixes anyways |
| 18:23.47 | MohammadAG | doesn't give out replacements/renewals |
| 18:24.35 | luke-jr | what if it exploded? |
| 18:24.49 | ShadowJK | It's not like they fix anything either, they just send it off to some third party repair shop, who then orders replacement device from nokia and bills nokia for it (if it's under warranty) |
| 18:25.00 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, MeeGo boom |
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| 18:26.41 | ZogG | MohammadAG but it's kernel bug, how they would fix it with no updates =) |
| 18:27.16 | MohammadAG | it could be a hardware problem |
| 18:27.21 | ZogG | http://i.imgur.com/yAfVM.jpg |
| 18:27.39 | ZogG | MohammadAG it never happened to me before actually |
| 18:27.48 | MohammadAG | hardware problems usually start |
| 18:35.24 | BCMM | ... soon after the end of warranty? |
| 18:37.27 | MohammadAG | indeed |
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| 18:40.07 | MohammadAG | umm |
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| 18:40.19 | MohammadAG | how do I do the hildon notifications (like SMS ones) in Qt? |
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| 18:58.03 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:14.17 | GAN900 | is out of books he feels like reading. |
| 19:14.55 | lcuk | GAN900, back catalogue of playboy is quite interesting |
| 19:14.59 | lcuk | for the articles of course. |
| 19:15.05 | GAN900 | lcuk, of course. |
| 19:15.18 | lcuk | though noticing the hairstyle changes is amusing |
| 19:22.42 | shamus | hum i wonder how well rama will work on a tablet might be fun to play that agin and it works under dosbox |
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| 19:24.28 | RST38h | reMoo |
| 19:25.45 | shamus | it's a Sierra SCI game so it might even run under scumvm |
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| 19:27.01 | ZogG | ÐºÑ Ð·ÑÑ |
| 19:28.17 | RST38h | ZogG: If you are talking to me, no Unicode here. |
| 19:28.40 | ZogG | no i forgot to switch |
| 19:28.44 | ZogG | i said re pooo |
| 19:29.22 | ZogG | anyway it's so stupid to use battery only with software |
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| 19:30.08 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: ping |
| 19:30.14 | shamus | pong |
| 19:30.34 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 19:30.43 | ZogG | pang |
| 19:30.59 | ZogG | double pung |
| 19:31.11 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: what are you looking for? the telepathy/qt code? |
| 19:31.26 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 19:31.33 | pupnik | shamus: rama any good? i suspect a cheapo myst-style adventure |
| 19:31.49 | MohammadAG | I actually got the hang of it, except the first uint |
| 19:31.54 | ZogG | and i'm looking for women and fame |
| 19:31.55 | shamus | it was prity cood myst like been ages since i have palkyed it |
| 19:32.02 | MohammadAG | which holds contact number or something like that, got no idea how to get name from it |
| 19:32.03 | RST38h | ZogG: How is the Promised Land tonight? |
| 19:32.21 | ZogG | nothing promising here |
| 19:32.40 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: let me see if I can find the code that matters.... do you have an email I can send to? |
| 19:34.05 | MohammadAG | mohammad7410 (at) gmail (dot) com |
| 19:34.24 | ZogG | haha Mohammad is really that common name |
| 19:36.02 | pupnik | shamus: The Last Express really blew me away if you want to try an adventure game... just recently became downloadable http://www.dotemu.com/en/the-last-express |
| 19:36.06 | ZogG | http://pit.dirty.ru/dirty/1/2011/01/21/29918-213810-b62dc3457407c01c281669b2a1081716.jpg -lol |
| 19:37.23 | shamus | lol cute pic zogg |
| 19:38.06 | pupnik | there is a scummvm engine in development as well so it might soon be playable on n900 |
| 19:38.27 | pupnik | if you have trouble running in dosbox i can help |
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| 19:38.54 | javispedro | hey pupnik |
| 19:38.57 | joga | hmm? scummvm already works on n900 |
| 19:39.09 | shamus | has a n800 but underpowred but having two ful size sd card slots is handy |
| 19:39.32 | joga | didn't read far |
| 19:39.42 | javispedro | pupnik: saw you around the gp32x forums asking for the dosbox dynrec. |
| 19:40.32 | javispedro | pupnik: on the n900 it is enabled but it is not as slow because it seems that thumb is plain slow on the n900 |
| 19:40.44 | javispedro | s/it is not as slow/it is not as fast :) |
| 19:40.49 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: just sent you an email with what I think is all the code to handle the "online accounts" window on mycontacts. |
| 19:41.08 | javispedro | pupnik: ah, also it is enabled for n8x0. |
| 19:41.10 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: feel free to email me back if I am not here |
| 19:41.13 | pupnik | javispedro: i compiled with the interleaved thumb and am getting 40% speed increase over the normal core |
| 19:41.24 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 19:41.51 | pupnik | iow without it ~3000 cycles before sblaster dropouts, now 4200-5000 |
| 19:42.01 | pupnik | that's @ 1ghz |
| 19:42.19 | pupnik | but i saw you mentioned you used it also |
| 19:42.21 | javispedro | yeah, I'm nowhere near that. |
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| 19:42.42 | javispedro | I used the one that does not require interworking though |
| 19:42.43 | RST38h | javispedro: thumb is good when running it from slow memory (16bit too) |
| 19:42.52 | RST38h | javispedro:OMAP3 is too good for it :) |
| 19:43.24 | javispedro | RST38h: yeah, unfortunately, long ago I tested a non-thumb one done by the same person -- and ended up with similar performance. |
| 19:43.44 | javispedro | hm.. |
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| 19:44.11 | javispedro | pupnik: for curiosity's sake, if you have the time, could you test the non-thumb version (should be a matter of changing a few defines) in your platform? |
| 19:44.17 | pupnik | i don't even have good benchmarks - just testing with Wing Commander 1 and Ultima Underworld1 until i get sound dropouts |
| 19:44.42 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Health care and aeronautics industries agree that FCC should set aside bandwidth for dedicated remote patient monitoring system |
| 19:44.45 | MohammadAG | fcrochik, thanks! |
| 19:44.51 | MohammadAG | I'll have a look at it in a bit |
| 19:45.33 | javispedro | pupnik: me neither, I usually test it with win3.11 =) |
| 19:45.56 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: hope you will find what you are looking for. Do you mind me asking on what you are working on? |
| 19:46.29 | MohammadAG | fcrochik, simple online notifier |
| 19:46.33 | ZogG | javispedro win 3.11 ftw |
| 19:46.42 | ZogG | i had one back on 386 |
| 19:46.44 | MohammadAG | something to show a contact is online/offline with hildon |
| 19:46.55 | ZogG | MohammadAG, you should ask khertan |
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| 19:47.08 | ZogG | he made one with Qt for khweeteur |
| 19:47.11 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: why aren't you using mobility? |
| 19:47.19 | MohammadAG | ZogG, why? he never worked on telepathy |
| 19:47.46 | RST38h | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m0O2XlVi3Mc/TTnEDLljTTI/AAAAAAAACsU/a2RNTy1Z40w/s1600/dad.jpg |
| 19:47.47 | ZogG | or you don't know how to take it of telepathy |
| 19:47.59 | ZogG | MohammadAG, does it use same libs as pidgin ? |
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| 19:50.51 | ZogG | what is that? http://www.slideshare.net/kh_naba/integrated-communication-framework-for-gnome-elements-of-telepathy |
| 19:51.32 | ZogG | MohammadAG, maybe this would help http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec/Account.html ? |
| 19:52.44 | MohammadAG | fcrochik, moblity handles that? |
| 19:53.03 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: yes. |
| 19:53.07 | slonopotamus | hmm |
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| 19:53.18 | slonopotamus | i thought freoffice is viewer only |
| 19:53.49 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: I had to use telepathy to start the calls... just to get the status mobility will do |
| 19:54.19 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: there isn't a mobility module for placing calls yet (I think) |
| 19:55.43 | MohammadAG | fcrochik, hmm, I'll have a look at it then :) |
| 19:55.49 | MohammadAG | (though I've always had bad luck with Qt Mobility, everything I wanted is buggy :P) |
| 19:56.56 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: The contacts module on the n900 got much better. |
| 19:57.11 | mikhas | nonono, Qt Mobility is awesome ... because it comes from Qt! |
| 19:57.25 | ZogG | i'm awesome cause i am |
| 19:58.00 | mikhas | you got it, circular reasonings works because ... ;-) |
| 19:58.47 | MohammadAG | fcrochik, I tried the sensors API, too buggy for me |
| 19:58.55 | MohammadAG | looks at contacts |
| 19:59.04 | pupnik | not necessary circular - it might mean it is amazing that he hasn't stepped in front of a moving vehicle yet |
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| 19:59.48 | MohammadAG | fcrochik, so how does Qt Mobility handle telepathy if no counterpart exists on Symbian? |
| 20:00.47 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: it is all on the "backend".... On your application you don't know that you are dealing with telepathy... you just know that you are dealing with "online accounts" connected to your contacts |
| 20:01.11 | MohammadAG | yeah, but symbian has no backend :P |
| 20:01.52 | mikhas | useless abstractions remains useless |
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| 20:03.49 | ZogG | meego forums are really terrible |
| 20:03.59 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: The beauty is that your code will work regardless... you just won't find any online accounts when running on symbian... and the same code should work on meego w/o changes. |
| 20:04.24 | mikhas | fcrochik, where is the beauty in that? |
| 20:04.36 | mikhas | your. code. does. not. work. on. symbian |
| 20:04.41 | fcrochik | MohammadAG: it seems that the telepathy and specially telepathy/qt is suffering a big revamp... not sure if these changes will make to the n900 |
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| 20:05.04 | fcrochik | mikhas: my code? you mean the mycontacts app? |
| 20:05.05 | pupnik | wow 320x240 video looks like mud nowadays |
| 20:05.24 | mikhas | I dont need library abstractions if it doesnt work on "all supported Qt platforms" |
| 20:05.53 | mikhas | better to just look for the best fitting library on every platform I want to support myself then, really |
| 20:07.07 | fcrochik | mikhas: in this case the telepathy will not either... "SOME" is a little better than ONE most of the time but I do agree with you that not all abstractions are good.... \ |
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| 21:18.28 | nox- | is this a wifi driver bug? wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bb52c - sending probe request |
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| 21:19.30 | nox- | sometimes i get lots of those even tho it still is connected, and then only clicking disconnect and then connect stops them |
| 21:20.07 | nox- | & moin :) |
| 21:20.13 | pupnik | moin nox |
| 21:20.25 | nox- | moin pupnik |
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| 21:26.58 | BCMM | nox-: it sounds more like it just lost connection with the AP |
| 21:27.09 | BCMM | oh, didn't see that bit |
| 21:27.26 | BCMM | does it ever happen when you're close to the AP? |
| 21:29.37 | nox- | yes the `ap' is maybe 2m away... |
| 21:30.30 | BCMM | well, i guess it's a bug |
| 21:30.38 | nox- | ok thats also my guess |
| 21:30.38 | BCMM | of course, it could be in your router |
| 21:30.50 | BCMM | or in the firmware, rather than the driver |
| 21:31.38 | nox- | nic firmware on n900? |
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| 21:34.55 | makulkar | Hi all, all libraries get into /usr/lib. Any special place for qtplugins? or I just copy them to same path and they would get picked up from there? |
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| 21:35.46 | mikhas | makulkar, look at /usr/lib/qt4/plugins |
| 21:46.03 | makulkar | mikhas, thanks! |
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| 21:50.45 | Pauly | hi im using mameo5 sdk and wondering how come to nokia s60 font is used in the sdk browser web pages but on the real n900 other fonts are used? |
| 21:50.52 | Pauly | the^^ |
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| 21:53.25 | Pauly | ok? |
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| 21:58.54 | MohammadAG | sure it's S60 and not your OS's font? |
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| 22:00.09 | mtnbkr | anyone know of any other "smart" phones that have Native SIP support like maemo on N900 does? Such as HTC EVO? Got an Asterisk system here and a worker with an HTC Evo, looking for options, or another phone for him |
| 22:00.42 | ieatlint | i beleive some symbian phones do |
| 22:01.10 | MohammadAG | the N95 did |
| 22:01.17 | MohammadAG | and the E66 |
| 22:01.17 | jacekowski | symbian phones |
| 22:01.21 | jacekowski | and n900 |
| 22:01.21 | MohammadAG | I think the N86 has it too |
| 22:01.28 | jacekowski | nothing from any other manufacturer |
| 22:01.31 | jacekowski | and sip sucks |
| 22:01.37 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:02.00 | mtnbkr | so, hisHTC EVO will need the sipdroid app as I have been sseing then, or he needs a new phone lol |
| 22:02.37 | ieatlint | you came in here to ask how to get sip support on your [friend's] android phone? :P |
| 22:02.50 | mtnbkr | ieatlint: lol |
| 22:03.31 | mtnbkr | and/or to find out if I need to buy him an N900 |
| 22:06.21 | pahartik | mtnbkr: There is no IPv6 support in SIP client provided by Maemo 5 |
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| 22:11.37 | Pauly | MohammadAG: i can take screenshots! |
| 22:12.05 | trumee | mtnbkr, sip is horrible on N900 |
| 22:12.24 | trumee | jacekowski, sucks on N900 but awesome on N95 |
| 22:12.28 | shamus | sip is not that bad on the n800 but still bad |
| 22:12.36 | Pauly | i forgot how 2 take scrrenshots shift ctrl p? |
| 22:12.50 | trumee | mtnbkr, sip calls is very choppy on N900 |
| 22:13.05 | jacekowski | sip sucks |
| 22:13.16 | trumee | jacekowski, on N900 it does |
| 22:13.26 | shamus | amen sip by it's very nature on the protical levle sucks |
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| 22:13.39 | MohammadAG | Pauly, I know the font is different, sure it's the S60 one? |
| 22:14.18 | trumee | shamus, dont care about protocol level. but its implementations on N900 is shitty |
| 22:14.53 | shamus | crapy protocols == crapy clients? |
| 22:14.56 | trumee | Nokia and its partners didnt do a very good job, lcuk ^^ |
| 22:15.22 | shamus | yeah yeah sip is every where but it hates nats |
| 22:15.37 | shamus | sip hates my network like the pleg |
| 22:15.47 | trumee | shamus, there are ways to sort out nat |
| 22:16.22 | shamus | port forwarding? |
| 22:16.44 | trumee | shamus, stun server |
| 22:16.46 | ShadowJK | if the network makes you constantly switch between 3g and 3.5g, a ping running in the background with suitable size and interval will force it on 3.5 :) |
| 22:17.07 | ShadowJK | The thresholds some operators use for upgrading you to 3.5 are kinda close to the tiny amount SIP uses for voice.. |
| 22:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | aiui there's no such thing like switching to 3.5 |
| 22:18.49 | ShadowJK | there is a 1500msec burst of latency when it does switch :-) |
| 22:18.56 | ShadowJK | (operator dependent) |
| 22:18.57 | pahartik | trumee: Best way to solve "NAT problem" is to throw IPv4 away |
| 22:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | it's like 3g is the established call and 3.5 gets signalled whenever you shout loud enough |
| 22:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | or technically, 3.5 is a dynamic property of 3G, not a new connection mode |
| 22:20.51 | shamus | is stuck with ipv4 as dam isp refiueses to upgrade to ipv6 and even if they did out cable modem probly is not compatable |
| 22:21.12 | lcuk | trumee, ? |
| 22:21.39 | Pauly | <MohammadAG> |
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| 22:22.28 | shamus | has never been able to make a sip call from the home network. i can use sip just fine at school but not at home |
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| 22:23.11 | trumee | lcuk, collabora needs to do some thorough testing of sip on N900 |
| 22:24.09 | trumee | shamus, nat issues? |
| 22:24.10 | MohammadAG | yes? |
| 22:24.21 | MohammadAG | alterego, ping |
| 22:24.27 | shamus | yeah thats my guess |
| 22:24.37 | Pauly | sry noob question cant find default scratchbox location trying to show screenshot? |
| 22:24.43 | Pauly | saved in sdk |
| 22:24.43 | MohammadAG | achipa, who's decision was it to remove the skip packaging step? :) |
| 22:24.58 | ShadowJK | of the 3 network operators here, latency in 3g (plain wcdma, network has decided it's not worth to have you on hsdpa): 268, 272, 295. Minimum amount of data to provoke upgrade from WCDMA to HSPA: 498, 255, 32. Amount of idle time on HSPA before downgrade to WCDMA, seconds: 8, 3, 5. Latency at switchover wcdma -> hsdpa: 1290, 880, 1210 ms |
| 22:25.25 | MohammadAG | /scratchbox/users/username/home/user/ |
| 22:25.25 | ShadowJK | and latency on hspa: 63, 72, 148 |
| 22:25.25 | trumee | shamus, define a stun server in N900 |
| 22:25.44 | MohammadAG | I know the font is different |
| 22:25.51 | MohammadAG | you don't have to show me a screenshot |
| 22:25.56 | achipa | MohammadAG: Ididntdoit... but honestly, no idea - I'm not happy with those 'don't X before Y' options that are supposed to (but don't quite) replace that stuff |
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| 22:26.11 | bash` | hi guys |
| 22:26.17 | shamus | has a stun autodetect enableds and it dose not work |
| 22:26.19 | Pauly | <MohammadAG: oh ok any idea why |
| 22:26.40 | bash` | I need to install rootsh without root access :P how to do it? |
| 22:26.42 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 22:26.47 | trumee | shamus, i never had issues with nat over wifi or 3g. but i run my own * server |
| 22:26.52 | MohammadAG | application manager |
| 22:26.56 | ShadowJK | The bigger wakeup threshold (498 bytes) for my operator means that N900 stays on WCDMA most of the time if I just have irc going.. though if irc is very active it'll go into hspa and eat 300 - 400 mA for a minimum 8seconds after last activity:( |
| 22:27.01 | Pauly | id like for the the real n900 to use the s60 font for browser any idea how? |
| 22:27.04 | MohammadAG | or set R&D mode |
| 22:27.05 | bash` | my friend has a n900 without internet access, but with the rootsh.deb file |
| 22:27.15 | MohammadAG | click on the file |
| 22:27.19 | MohammadAG | with the file manager |
| 22:27.27 | bash` | really it works? |
| 22:27.32 | MohammadAG | should |
| 22:27.37 | bash` | trying now |
| 22:27.38 | shamus | has no acess to the house router to adjust settings and has not set up a stun server |
| 22:27.53 | MohammadAG | if that doesn't work, there's always red pill mode |
| 22:27.59 | trumee | shamus, you can use public stun servers |
| 22:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsdpa |
| 22:28.22 | shamus | has tryed the ekiga one and no joy |
| 22:28.28 | trumee | shamus, there is quite a big list at voip-info.org |
| 22:28.37 | shamus | ok |
| 22:28.37 | bash` | MohammadAG: thank you very much :) |
| 22:28.45 | MohammadAG | it worked? |
| 22:28.48 | bash` | yes |
| 22:28.48 | MohammadAG | and yw :) |
| 22:29.01 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 22:29.40 | MohammadAG | achipa, I'm back on 2.0, editing the control and changelog files doesn't change the deb name |
| 22:29.52 | trumee | shamus, worst performance i have found is two N900s talking to each other |
| 22:30.06 | trumee | shamus, with * in between |
| 22:30.20 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, hey if the radio protocol doesn't require you to stay in wcdma most of the time, or enforce the high latency burst when switching to hspa, or enforce the gigantic energy consumption when in hspa mode with low latency available, then by all means go make a modem that works like that :P |
| 22:30.41 | ShadowJK | In the meanwhile I'm just saying what I myself have observed and what others have observed of how these modems work :P |
| 22:30.43 | MohammadAG | qt creator will try to copy it from somewhere else, and of course, fail |
| 22:30.53 | achipa | MohammadAG: ? not sure how that's possible... maybe it gets overwritten ? there is now this smart versioning (=UI) in the run config... |
| 22:31.19 | achipa | don't ask why run builds packages... |
| 22:31.21 | ShadowJK | There even exists scripts for 3g routers that automatically try to discover the minimum amount of traffic required to maintain hspa, so that you can click a button on the web interface and activate low latency for your skype and what not :) |
| 22:31.26 | MohammadAG | achipa, I know, I edited the files through there, it still looks for the old name |
| 22:31.56 | MohammadAG | it should read control file, not project name |
| 22:32.12 | Pauly | MohammadAG; DocScrutinizer: thanks guys you always help me with my noobish questions i know im not a real developer or anything close but i am learning things and one day when i know enough i will be but thanks 4 everything |
| 22:32.51 | achipa | agreed, but... madde should do just that |
| 22:33.14 | achipa | i.e. it's still debtools deep down in it's ravaged and soon to be rpmified soul... |
| 22:33.47 | MohammadAG | Pauly, you're welcome |
| 22:34.00 | MohammadAG | achipa, true, but it's Qt Creator running steps, not MADDE |
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| 22:34.32 | Pauly | MohammadAG: i think im in here almost everyday asking something stupid lol |
| 22:35.50 | MohammadAG | you don't wanna read logs to see what I used to ask |
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| 22:37.27 | Pauly | MohammadAG: well i usally read the wiki and search forums or google before i come to ask something on here i was suprised that i acually compiled a qt app and it ran on n900! nevr done anything like that :) |
| 22:37.51 | achipa | MohammadAG: it's a weird mix :) in any case, if you feel it's a bug, poke me on monday... can't look at it right now |
| 22:38.08 | achipa | also didn't forget about the merge request, just was a busy day :S |
| 22:38.31 | MohammadAG | no worries |
| 22:38.41 | achipa | (hope to have some docs on how to direct-deploy in the FN wiki next week) |
| 22:38.47 | MohammadAG | Pauly, you'll learn a lot - if you want to :) |
| 22:38.57 | MohammadAG | I know I did, thanks to the community |
| 22:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so the modem needs a lick to switch to 3.5? that's new to me |
| 22:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | kick* |
| 22:39.29 | ShadowJK | It depends on the operator |
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| 22:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | that's even more strange |
| 22:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | I alwys thought the modem enters 3.5 mode automatically |
| 22:40.05 | ShadowJK | Mine needs 498 bytes before switching. Another one needs 32 (so that's basically just any traffic at all) |
| 22:40.11 | MohammadAG | a lick might work too |
| 22:40.23 | MohammadAG | has to be acidic though |
| 22:40.55 | MohammadAG | sits back - gets popcorn - gets ready to read N9 rumor thread |
| 22:41.40 | ShadowJK | in 3.5 mode my N900 eats massive amounts of power even for the 8 seconds or so of no data moving before it goes down to wcdma |
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| 22:42.07 | ShadowJK | if data got moved through wcdma instead of hsdpa, the power consumption is smaller and goes down to "idle" faster too |
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| 22:42.35 | jacekowski | you can probably cook popcorn on n900 that's OCed and in 3.5G |
| 22:43.43 | MohammadAG | popcorn? pfft, steak ftw |
| 22:44.58 | pupnik | leave an irc client running while playing emulators on a train... |
| 22:45.02 | jacekowski | rotfl |
| 22:45.03 | pupnik | :) |
| 22:45.04 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_cKTw8cB78&feature=player_embedded |
| 22:45.09 | jacekowski | hellium "overdose" |
| 22:45.25 | pupnik | we are wasting helium in a criminal way right now |
| 22:45.45 | shamus | im guesign i have a symmetric NAT |
| 22:45.52 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 22:46.08 | MohammadAG | at least she fell in a good way |
| 22:46.11 | kerio | wtf does that mean |
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| 22:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | aiui the BTS is free to allow the modem to use a special channel ( HS-DSCH (High Speed Downlink Shared Channel)) and the MT has to send Channel Quality Indicator, CQI frequently. That's why 3(.5)G keeps eating power for several seconds, even when not sending or rcvng data |
| 22:46.52 | MohammadAG | she didn't hit her head :p |
| 22:47.44 | ShadowJK | Oh I thought that was just the cdma part of it |
| 22:51.22 | shamus | ok that might be part of my issue i had two routers bother with nat enabled and was on the iner most one |
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| 22:53.15 | shamus | nope still nota no luck conecting to sip |
| 22:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | shamus: NAT and SIP don't play together nicely, without additional force. You frequently need STUN, and often even that's not enough and your SIP-carrier needs to provide hosted NAT traversal |
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| 22:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | (or whatever it's called) |
| 22:54.03 | shamus | yey sip and nat == pain in the ass even with stun |
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| 22:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | depemds on the NAT. STUN usually works great for all but symmetric NAT (aka IP and port aware NAT), and it detects sym NAT reliably |
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| 22:55.55 | Rapak | Hello |
| 22:55.56 | shamus | semtric ugh |
| 22:56.49 | shamus | and i think the home router is not set up for port awareness |
| 22:57.31 | Rapak | I have a problem with my N900 and I would appreciate some help. I was sending a sms when my touch screen just froze. I restarted the phone but the problem stays. I can't set my lock code. The question is how can I access the phones memory trough computer? I would love to have my contacts etc out from the phone. |
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| 22:59.05 | shamus | it's a stock wtr45g v2 but i cant change the settings on it as it has been password protected and i have no clue how it's set up |
| 22:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | shamus: some routers are set up not to allow local loopback, means a pkg addressed to the public IP of the NAT from LAN won't go back to the corresponding IP:port of LAN |
| 23:00.08 | shamus | ahh |
| 23:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | it that case STUN detects a sym NAT even though there isn't - technically |
| 23:00.39 | ShadowJK | wrt54g needs the occasional reboot too |
| 23:01.07 | shamus | no were near as often as the dam helken |
| 23:02.15 | shamus | is conecting to the belkin wifi router witch is hooked up to the same network as the wrt45g witch is hooked up to the cable modem |
| 23:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | shamus: e.g ZyXEL routers do this |
| 23:02.57 | MohammadAG | wrt54g owners run stock? |
| 23:03.02 | MohammadAG | seriously? it's a hacker's router :p |
| 23:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | you can switch that shit off (enable local loopback) via telnet - for ZyXEL |
| 23:03.18 | shamus | i know but it's my dads |
| 23:03.28 | shamus | and he passowred protected it |
| 23:03.48 | MohammadAG | pin + pin hole = win |
| 23:04.21 | DocScrutinizer | moh loves to talk gibberish |
| 23:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 23:04.28 | shamus | pin + pin hole == wooping joking but still he is very anil when it come to netowrk setup |
| 23:04.51 | psycho_oreos | make a deal with him so that you paid for his router and is legally yours and he gets to choose a router of equivalent price |
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| 23:04.59 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's the settings reset hole |
| 23:05.04 | MohammadAG | clears password |
| 23:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | shamus: see if UPnP is enabled |
| 23:05.25 | shamus | doubt ity prity sure i tryed that already |
| 23:05.40 | shamus | the firmwere has not been updated in years if ever |
| 23:06.06 | MohammadAG | E7 looks sexy |
| 23:06.07 | shamus | so tempted to shove a hombrewe firm were on on as tell dad to bite me |
| 23:06.45 | psycho_oreos | shamus, make a deal with him so that you paid for his router and is legally yours and he gets to choose a router of equivalent price |
| 23:06.48 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 23:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | aaah - btw: many routers have an ALG, an Application Layer Gateway, means they run a proxy for SIP, and that more often than not is fubar |
| 23:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | you should disable it if there's any, and also you chould change 5060 to e.g 5066 |
| 23:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | could* |
| 23:08.03 | MohammadAG | suggestions for mid-range slightly advanced phones? |
| 23:08.10 | shamus | yeah yeah well techinicly it's the familys router but he is the so call network god of the house |
| 23:08.29 | MohammadAG | 5530 looks nice |
| 23:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | 5060 -> 5066 is a client side thing |
| 23:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | bypassing ALG |
| 23:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | all common SIP providers support SIP n other than port 5060 as well |
| 23:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | the ALG however won't detect 5066 as SIP |
| 23:10.48 | jonwil | anyone know the package name of the phone dialer app? |
| 23:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 23:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | nope, sorry |
| 23:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | rtcom-dialer-ui is the process name |
| 23:11.29 | shamus | jonwil: dialcentral? |
| 23:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | and binary |
| 23:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | shamus: BS |
| 23:11.58 | MohammadAG | same package name prolly |
| 23:12.04 | shamus | oh shit that rthe google voice one |
| 23:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: a apt-cache search should reveal it then |
| 23:12.14 | jonwil | whatever it is, it should appear in the dependancies list of telepathy-ring since it depends on it |
| 23:12.21 | jonwil | or not |
| 23:12.36 | luke-jr | [18:09:49] <DocScrutinizer> all common SIP providers support SIP n other than port 5060 as well |
| 23:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 23:12.40 | luke-jr | whatââ?/ |
| 23:12.44 | luke-jr | I haven't seen *any* that do that |
| 23:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | telepathy-ring should be in rdepends of dialer, but not the other way round |
| 23:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you probably never tried |
| 23:14.02 | shamus | in short sip +SOHO == pain but solvable with a bit of poking with a pointy stick |
| 23:14.26 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: nope, I assume they'd document it somewhere |
| 23:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | they don't |
| 23:15.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, rtcom-call-ui |
| 23:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | or that :-P |
| 23:16.08 | MohammadAG | how didn't I notice that... |
| 23:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | (sorry, coffee is too thin for me to wake up) |
| 23:16.57 | MohammadAG | the description is epic |
| 23:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 |
| 23:17.00 | MohammadAG | rtcom-call-ui - RTCom Call UI |
| 23:17.03 | MohammadAG | so descriptive |
| 23:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, shoot them at the wall, with real BS |
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| 23:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | and I don't mean bullets of frozen BS, I mean lots of stinking warm BS |
| 23:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | probably best fired from old cannons |
| 23:21.31 | jonwil | ok, sounds like rtcom-call-ui only talks to telepathy over a dbus interface. That means that if you wanted to implement something that pre-processes phone call requests you could hack telepathy-ring to use a slightly different dbus name then build a translation layer that talks over the real dbus name. |
| 23:21.44 | jonwil | it looks like its only using dbus anyway |
| 23:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | or make that owl shit - might teach them wisdom |
| 23:23.13 | jonwil | as for GPS, all the secret stuff is in the location-server daemon which is another impossible-to-reverse-engineer blob |
| 23:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess we can't do that or we'd lose 75% of our gifted developers |
| 23:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | "pkg: foobar grobbler. Desc: grobbles foobar" seems to be a common practice |
| 23:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | and for me should become one of the killer criteria of QC |
| 23:26.55 | pupnik | wow DocScrutinizer - there is no match for regexp grobbler |
| 23:26.57 | jonwil | so yeah not sure if its worth digging further into GPS/location |
| 23:27.01 | pupnik | but that's a fantastic name |
| 23:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | >>missng comprehensive description -> rm -rf, userdel<< |
| 23:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | mail $USER -s "your promotion of foobar grobbler got deleted and your accound nuked" you can do better dude, try again! |
| 23:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | account* |
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| 23:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: thanks for update. Yes if that's actually the case that telepathy is completely d-bus based API, then I know we could intercept the dbus msgs, by implementing a proxy or whatever |
| 23:35.03 | DocScrutinizer | alas dbus has no generic means to intercept and mangle msgs, that I know of |
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| 23:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | umm, is this session or system bus? |
| 23:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | session bus would be rather simple |
| 23:36.40 | jonwil | unsure |
| 23:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | compared to system |
| 23:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | hell, we should hack telepathy-ring to support hooks |
| 23:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | the only really proper way to implement this |
| 23:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | err telepathy at large, not sure about the ring bit |
| 23:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | pondering |
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| 23:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | given the fact rtcom-call-ui clearly is a session thing (it has a X gui), the dbus call should be session bus |
| 23:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | given the fact we got only one non-multitasking modem, it might be system bus as well |
| 23:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | nah, but several users might use SIP connections concurrently, so clearly session |
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| 23:42.45 | jonwil | ok, so would we need to clone telepathy-ring to add something usefull to this? |
| 23:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | a call always is a session action |
| 23:42.53 | jacekowski | i'm looking now at that windows phone |
| 23:42.58 | jacekowski | and it's really nice |
| 23:43.06 | jonwil | or would cloning that be a waste of time? |
| 23:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 23:43.26 | jacekowski | i really hope it would do something to iphone |
| 23:43.45 | jonwil | depends on what? |
| 23:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | for call intercepting it's enough to hack generic telepathy on dbus-interface level, as I gather calls via GSM and calls via SIP are using the same telepathy API, and that's the API we want a hook in it |
| 23:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | aiui telepathy-ring is the gsm-specific blob |
| 23:45.25 | jonwil | yes it is |
| 23:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | unrelated to SIP |
| 23:45.38 | jonwil | so would it be worth trying to clone? |
| 23:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | we want to intercept all calls, not only gsm calls |
| 23:46.19 | jonwil | ok, so we dont need to clone it for anything then |
| 23:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 23:46.32 | jonwil | I will remove it from my "stuff worth trying to clone" list |
| 23:47.03 | jonwil | the only reason its likely closed is that it uses closed dbus interfaces to talk lower in the stack to the CSD daemon |
| 23:47.16 | jacekowski | what would be the best is do full reverse of modem firmware |
| 23:47.23 | jacekowski | and therefore phonet interface |
| 23:47.42 | jonwil | thats not likely to happen :P |
| 23:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I guess you could ask staff@colabora (lcuk, Robot101) about the reasons it's closed |
| 23:48.06 | jacekowski | jonwil: that's not exactly precise |
| 23:48.30 | jacekowski | we already know a bit about phonet |
| 23:48.30 | MohammadAG | we just need a bit more devs |
| 23:48.43 | jacekowski | more time |
| 23:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | and the signing key |
| 23:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 23:48.59 | jacekowski | we don't have to modify it |
| 23:49.08 | jacekowski | ha |
| 23:49.11 | jacekowski | i just had an idea |
| 23:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | ok, then it's feasible |
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| 23:49.21 | MohammadAG | time? |
| 23:49.24 | jacekowski | what about trying to flash firmware from other rapuyama based phone |
| 23:49.26 | MohammadAG | we have all the time we need |
| 23:49.42 | jacekowski | if that works |
| 23:49.51 | jacekowski | then there is a chance |
| 23:49.53 | jonwil | isnt phonet documented via ofono and www.wirelessmodemapi.com? |
| 23:49.58 | jacekowski | jonwil: no |
| 23:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's not a very new idea, anyway an interesting project, though it prolly gives you a brick |
| 23:50.05 | jacekowski | jonwil: only not important parts of it |
| 23:51.03 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, worst case scenario = crossed out sim |
| 23:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | well, I thought http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com is pretty complete |
| 23:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sure |
| 23:51.14 | MohammadAG | we already know how maemo reacts to a failed modem |
| 23:51.16 | jonwil | which bits of the interface to the modem are not documented? Anything telephony related will be documented by ofono eventually |
| 23:51.40 | jonwil | since ofono will implement all telephony bits |
| 23:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: any service monitor mode might or might not be implemented in cellmo FW but never will get documented |
| 23:52.15 | MohammadAG | start porting telephony |
| 23:52.28 | MohammadAG | ofono* |
| 23:52.50 | jonwil | cant port ofono to n900 without throwing away other large parts of the phone that rely on the old telephony stack |
| 23:52.58 | jonwil | Lots of the apps would need to be replaced |
| 23:53.06 | jonwil | and if you do that, you may as well just go to MeeGo |
| 23:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | that's the crux |
| 23:53.24 | MohammadAG | <jonwil> Lots of the apps would need to be replaced |
| 23:53.26 | MohammadAG | phone |
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| 23:53.41 | jonwil | SMS would need replacing |
| 23:53.42 | MohammadAG | reverse engineer the rest |
| 23:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | maps |
| 23:53.47 | MohammadAG | put a compatibility wrapper |
| 23:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | conversations |
| 23:53.56 | MohammadAG | wrapper |
| 23:54.11 | jonwil | in any case IMO its not worth trying to port ofono to maemo |
| 23:54.24 | psycho_oreos | anyone know where fapman reads the sources.list? |
| 23:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | for sure it's not |
| 23:54.34 | jonwil | there is nothing ofono supports that the current telephony stack does not support |
| 23:54.42 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, /opt/fapman(tab) |
| 23:54.49 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, ta |
| 23:55.01 | MohammadAG | yw |
| 23:55.08 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 23:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? fsckng fapman writes to /opt??? |
| 23:55.19 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 23:55.20 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: The dogma that closed source is good. |
| 23:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke fapman |
| 23:55.27 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at fapman ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 23:55.40 | jonwil | I don't like closed source |
| 23:55.41 | MohammadAG | lots of apps write to /opt :p |
| 23:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'll create a daemon to track down, kill -9, and apt-get remove purge all those |
| 23:56.24 | MohammadAG | who does |
| 23:56.43 | MohammadAG | apt-get writes to /opt |
| 23:56.44 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 23:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | ehh? |
| 23:57.03 | MohammadAG | cache |
| 23:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | on installing, yes |
| 23:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 23:57.28 | MohammadAG | ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | please don't tell me apt-get holds a cache on /opt |
| 23:57.37 | MohammadAG | h-e-n was almost about to write to /opt |
| 23:57.43 | MohammadAG | then hit myself |
| 23:57.47 | MohammadAG | I hit* |
| 23:57.49 | BCMM | MohammadAG: heh, for what? |
| 23:58.02 | MohammadAG | .hostmode alive status file |
| 23:58.15 | jacekowski | there is folder for that |
| 23:58.18 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.33 | jacekowski | or you could use shm |
| 23:58.44 | jonwil | btw, csd-sms plugin exports something called IncomingCBS via something (probably dbus). Nothing I can find on the phone uses that though. |
| 23:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'm simply pushing a fix that changes permissions of /opt to go-w, and owner to install-admin |
| 23:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | then add apt-get group install-admin |
| 23:59.03 | DocScrutinizer | done |
| 23:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's how a decent system config should have looked like from beginning |
